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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51771	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51772	From: John	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Another S gauge book online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51773	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51774	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: relay with time delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51775	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51776	From: G C	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Best wishes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51777	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: 2008 Christmas Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51778	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Need help with Plasticville Block Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51779	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51780	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: S-Helper engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51781	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Message from the lionel web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51782	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Lionel/MTH hook up thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51783	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51784	From: barb	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51785	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51786	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51787	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51788	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51789	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: WEB BEACONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51790	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51791	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WEB BEACONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51792	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51793	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51794	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Message from the lionel web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51795	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: The value of a name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51796	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WEB BEACONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51797	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51798	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51799	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51800	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: My Layout & Steam Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51801	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51802	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: price increase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51803	From: michael prell	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51804	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51805	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: The value of a name...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51806	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: My layout and steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51807	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Message from the lionel web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51808	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: About Collectors...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51809	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Flyonel Diesel Engines and Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51810	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Diesel Engines and Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51811	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Diesel Engines and Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51812	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51813	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: What a job I had with a 17 B transformer.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51814	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51815	From: preardon4	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51816	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/4/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51817	From: jhwysopal	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: The joy of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51818	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51819	From: michael prell	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My layout and steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51820	From: Firewood	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51821	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51822	From: edhavens@cox.net	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51823	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51824	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51825	From: John Sage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: The joy of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51826	From: John Sage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51827	From: John	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51828	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51829	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51830	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51831	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51832	From: The Reardon's	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51833	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: The value of a name...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51834	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51835	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51836	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Paypal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51837	From: Firewood	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51838	From: John Metzger	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51839	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51840	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51841	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51842	From: michael prell	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51843	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51844	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51845	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51846	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51847	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51848	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51849	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51850	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51851	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51852	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Diesel Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51853	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51854	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51855	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51856	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51857	From: Les Mavor	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51858	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51859	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51860	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51861	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51862	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51863	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Another S gauge book online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51864	From: Glenn	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: WORLD'S GREATEST HOBBY ON TOUR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51865	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51866	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51867	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51868	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51869	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51870	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/4/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51871	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51872	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Carl's Trains cam is up tonight for Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51873	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: An interesting S Gaugian note.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51874	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51875	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Flyonel Sartups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51876	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51877	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51878	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51879	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51880	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51881	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Flyer Train Sales in Canada
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51882	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51883	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: AF comments at show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51885	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51886	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51887	From: John Sage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51888	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51889	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: technical & historic details of Erector Set parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51890	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51891	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: AF 350 Royal Blue loco for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51892	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51893	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51894	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51895	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51896	From: william cole	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51897	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51898	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Paypal ....Ripoff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51899	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51900	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal ....Ripoff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51901	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51902	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51903	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51904	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51905	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51906	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51907	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51908	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal ....Ripoff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51909	From: Jim King	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Next 2 S scale kits will be ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51910	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51911	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51912	From: marcella14612	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Edward Loizeaux' S-Gauge Milk Train Article in Model Railroader Maga
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51913	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51915	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: AF HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51916	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51917	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51918	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51919	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51920	From: John	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51921	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51922	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Smoky Mountain Model Works To Do B&O Wagontop in S Scale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51923	From: downtowndeco	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Great looking inexpensive back ground flats.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51924	From: paflyrman	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Mel' Diner One Last Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51925	From: afkennn	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51926	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: uncoupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51927	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51928	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51929	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51930	From: Bob or Deb Guckian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51931	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51932	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51933	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51934	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: New Video, Yahoo Group for AutoControls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51935	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51936	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: My new NW2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51937	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My new NW2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51938	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51939	From: William Porter	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51940	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51941	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My new NW2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51942	From: William Porter	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51943	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Smoke Unit Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51944	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51945	From: boblines51	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Train Minder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51946	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51947	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51948	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51949	From: Firewood	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51950	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Removing unwanted logos etc from AUTOs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51951	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51952	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51953	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51954	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51955	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout--Tinplate Ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51956	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51957	From: piccu56	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51958	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51959	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51960	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51961	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51962	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Removing unwanted logos, etc. from autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51963	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51964	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Does anyone live in the Tampa, Florida, area?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51965	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51966	From: William Porter	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51967	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51968	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51969	From: John Sage	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51970	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51971	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Motors and PWM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51972	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder file of photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51973	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: "Green" energy in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51974	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: NW2 and sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51975	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51976	From: preardon4	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Gargraves (plastic ties)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51977	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51978	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51979	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: another place for S ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51980	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: rr ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51981	From: reg392003	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Creating AF engine on board sounds for a buck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51982	From: Firewood	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout/ S-Modular?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51983	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: another place for S ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51984	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51985	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51986	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: NW2 and sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51987	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51988	From: James Alsman	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51989	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: AF turnouts/DCC Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51990	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51991	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51992	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51993	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: The Good, The Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51994	From: boguscop1953	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51995	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51996	From: William Porter	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, The Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51997	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout/ S-Modular?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51998	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, The Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51999	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52000	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52001	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52002	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52003	From: laing48185	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52004	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52005	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Gargraves Plastic Ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52006	From: Jim King	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: New HO & S resin kits coming ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52007	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: The Great Outdoors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52008	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Metal Tender Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52009	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Metal Tender Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52010	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Metal Tender Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52011	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Lionel 6-48064 milwaukee northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52012	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: S-Trax #00467 Crossing set, 90 deg ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52013	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52014	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Metal Tender Shell: easily replace those tabs!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52015	From: ekaplan707	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52016	From: rlgriggs	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Converting Lionel 'O' Auto Carrier cars to 'S'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52017	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52018	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52019	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52020	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52021	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52022	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Midwest Trailer Decal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52023	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Converting . . . . . to 'S'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52024	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/11/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52025	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52026	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs cashier's checks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52027	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52028	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: The Good, The Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52029	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52030	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs cashier's checks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52031	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52032	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, The Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52033	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52034	From: jananderson99	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: soldering wire to tender rivet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52035	From: The LANIERs	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52036	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52037	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52038	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52039	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52040	From: ken garber	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: 90 crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52041	From: Firewood	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52042	From: William Porter	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: 90 crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52043	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52044	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52045	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/11/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52046	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52047	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52048	From: rlgriggs	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: ‘Updated’ mid-1920’s rib-reinforced steel 34’-4” long, 70-ton c
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52049	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: S-Helper SW-1 diesel switchers for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52050	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52051	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Model railroad hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52052	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52053	From: mlprell	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52054	From: william cole	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52055	From: John	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52056	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52057	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52058	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Lehigh valley Train meet this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52059	From: race944t	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52060	From: D. Winslow	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Lehigh valley Train meet this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52061	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Green Dot instead of PayPal?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52062	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52063	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52064	From: william cole	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52065	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: 752 coal loader ; re-stringing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52066	From: rpuls3	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: rewire Am Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52067	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52068	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52069	From: Firewood	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52070	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52071	From: John	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Model railroad hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52072	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52073	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52074	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52075	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52076	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52077	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52078	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52079	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52080	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52081	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52082	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52083	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Atlantic wish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52084	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52085	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52086	From: jananderson99	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: 287 field Assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52087	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52088	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52089	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Why more wheels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52090	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52091	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52092	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Why more wheels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52093	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: 287 field Assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52094	From: The LANIERs	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52095	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52096	From: race944t	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52097	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52098	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic wish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52099	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52100	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: creating gondolas out of cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52101	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52102	From: jananderson99	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52103	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: The Love of Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52104	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52105	From: David Engle	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52106	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52107	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52108	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52109	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52110	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52111	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52112	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52113	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Streamline Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52114	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52115	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: MELS DINER 1/64th WARNING ITEMS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52116	From: David Engle	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52117	From: templetonlou	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: S tunnel portals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52118	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52119	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52120	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52121	From: David Engle	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52122	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: S tunnel portals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52123	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52124	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52126	From: ljaneski@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52127	From: michael prell	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52128	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52129	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52130	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52131	From: Firewood	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52132	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52133	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: 2009 Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52134	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Wanted Tsunami # 827105 (Alco 251)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52135	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52136	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Smoking Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52137	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52138	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52139	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52140	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52141	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52142	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52143	From: Firewood	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52144	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52145	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Some S Rolling Stock FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52146	From: Firewood	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Rail King curiosity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52147	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52148	From: ekaplan707	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52149	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52150	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52151	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: For Sale: American Models DC diesel engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52152	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52153	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52154	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52155	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: AF Bellows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52156	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Grand Central Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52157	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52158	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: 2009 Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52159	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52160	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52161	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Control compatability and Rail King engines .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52162	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52163	From: G C	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Control compatability and Rail King engines .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52164	From: G C	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Control compatability and Rail King engines .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52165	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: OT Please help save the Delta Queen--Let Obama know about it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52166	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Latest AF NH EP5 6-48075 - now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52167	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52169	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52170	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Control compatability and Rail King engines .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52171	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: OT Please help save the Delta Queen--Let Obama know about it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52172	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Train show in Troy, Mich Sunday 18 Jan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52173	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: For Sale: SHS 2-8-0 locos with DCC sound and code 110 wheels C-10
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52174	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/18/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52175	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52176	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52177	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Finally: SHS SW-1 Switchers join The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52178	From: pkrae	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Finally: SHS SW-1 Switchers join The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52179	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52180	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52181	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52182	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52183	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: NYC Museum in Elkhart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52184	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52185	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic wish/drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52186	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52187	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52188	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52189	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52190	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52191	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Chat tonite--I'll miss it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52192	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52193	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52194	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: FAKES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52195	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52196	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52197	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/18/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52198	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Flyonel Silver Flash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52199	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52200	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Obama Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52201	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Chat tonite--I'll miss it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52202	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52203	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52204	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52205	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52206	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52207	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52208	From: G C	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic wish/drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52209	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: FAKES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52210	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52211	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: electronic whistle control box for the 324AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52212	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: electronic whistle control box for the 324AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52213	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52214	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: FAKES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52215	From: Firewood	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Rail King engines/Industrial Rail .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52216	From: Firewood	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: FAKES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52217	From: Jim King	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: New hobby shop carrying S items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52218	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52219	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Hugo and Che
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52220	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Amherst Railway Society Show, West Springfield, MA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52221	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hugo and Che
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52222	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52223	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52224	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: electronic whistle control box for the 324AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52225	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: FAKES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52226	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: A question for Pennsy Passenger fans - decal and paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52227	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: DC Mikado update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52228	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: RE;re:Fakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52229	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52230	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: S Links Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52231	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Industrial Rail Passenger Cars .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52232	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: KEYSTONE TCA March "SPRING TRAINing" Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52233	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: A question for Pennsy Passenger fans - decal and paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52234	From: G C	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52235	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: A question for Pennsy Passenger fans - decal and paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52236	From: william cole	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Passenger Cars .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52237	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52238	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52239	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52240	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52241	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Passenger Cars .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52242	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Allentown Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52243	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Another "rare" eBay find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52244	From: G C	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52245	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52246	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Pictures Needed: SHS Soo Line & Lehigh Valley SW-1 Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52247	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52248	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: ATSF - Industrial Rail Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52249	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52250	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52252	From: Jim King	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Smoky Mtn. Model Works web site revision
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52253	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52254	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52255	From: John Sage	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Anybody live or work on the north side of Tampa, FL?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52257	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52258	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Tinplate Ties Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52259	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52260	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52261	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: 263 Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52262	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52263	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Gilbert Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52264	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52265	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52266	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: [AmericanFlyerTrains] A/F-Gilbert HO Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52267	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52268	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: A/F & Gilbert at NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52270	From: Rosie	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52271	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52272	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52273	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52274	From: t larson	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: close
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52275	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52276	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52277	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52278	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52279	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52280	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52281	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52282	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52283	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52284	From: Rosie	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52285	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52286	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52287	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Mike The Geek
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52288	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52289	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Trying to locate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52290	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Mike The Geek
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52291	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52292	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52293	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Rick Evans Day!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52294	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Rick Evans Day!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rick Evans Day!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52296	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Mike The Geek
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52297	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Again...the Spring S Spree?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52298	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Pictures of a 21130 oversize 4 Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52299	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Mike The Geek
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52300	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: New Videos on You Tube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52301	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: New Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52302	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Again...the Spring S Spree?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52303	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Again...the Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52304	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52305	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52306	From: John	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52307	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52308	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/25/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52309	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: #748 Girder, Trestle, & Tower Bridge Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52310	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Hudson 211304
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52311	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: #748 Girder, Trestle, & Tower Bridge Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52312	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52313	From: whtrainman	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52314	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52315	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52316	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52317	From: Gil Henke	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52318	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52319	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52320	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52321	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52322	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/25/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52323	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52324	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson 211304
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52325	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52326	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52327	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson 211304
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52328	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52329	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52330	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52331	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52332	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52333	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: 762 Two In One Whistle?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52334	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 762 Two In One Whistle?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52335	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52336	From: jim_marski	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Liquidating a Collection- Starting with some SHS items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52337	From: splsaab	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52338	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52339	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52340	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Liquidating a Collection- Starting with some SHS items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52341	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52342	From: Firewood	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Possible Ebay competition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52343	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52344	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Liquidating a Collection- Starting with some SHS items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52345	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Electronics protection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52346	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: WARDIEJAY Tinplate Ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52347	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52348	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Layout Progress - NOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52349	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: More thoughts on electronics...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52350	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52351	From: Firewood	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: More thoughts on electronics...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52352	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Progress - NOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52353	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Progress - NOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52354	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52355	From: G C	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52356	From: Bill Adams	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Wiring & Lamps Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52357	From: William Porter	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Wiring & Lamps Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52358	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52359	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52360	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52361	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52362	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: And even more thoughts on electronics...!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52363	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: 752 coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52364	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52365	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52366	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: More thoughts on electronics...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52367	From: Firewood	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: And even more thoughts on electronics...!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52368	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52369	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: About electronic reverse units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52370	From: Gil Henke	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52371	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains...How did we get here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52372	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52373	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52374	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: About electronic reverse units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52375	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains...How did we get here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52376	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: amtrak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52377	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52378	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Further http://wegmuller.org/v-web/gallery/Heisler/SwissElectricthou
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52379	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52380	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52381	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52382	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52383	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains...How did we get there? (specifically, in 1950
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52384	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics summation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52385	From: cornwall9	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52386	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52387	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics in Trains -- How did we get here? - Digest Number 4345
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52388	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: ALCo PAs, AM & ACG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52389	From: Firewood	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Further SwissElectric / oddball locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52390	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Trains as investment NO!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52391	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52392	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: ALCo PAs, AM & ACG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52393	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52394	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains...How did we get here? Digest 4345
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52395	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52396	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52397	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52398	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52399	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains.. How did we get here? Digest 4345
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52400	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52401	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52402	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52403	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52404	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains.. How did we get here? Digest 4345
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52405	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52406	From: william cole	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52407	From: Matt	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Blatant Advertisement 2009 S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52408	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains...How did we get here? Digest 4345
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52409	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains.. How did we get here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52410	From: william cole	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52411	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: AF 110 VAC diesel horn generator hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52412	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52413	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52414	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/1/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52415	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52416	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52417	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52418	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52419	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52420	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Correction!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52421	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Recession?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52422	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52423	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Penn State News At the Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52424	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: 263 revisted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52425	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52426	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52427	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52428	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52429	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52430	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains... How did we get here? [S-Trains] Digest Numb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52431	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Hugo and Che train arrival pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52432	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52433	From: William Porter	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52434	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52435	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52436	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52437	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/1/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52438	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains... SHS and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52439	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52440	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52441	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52442	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains... SHS and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52443	From: lember2004	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52444	From: bimorph	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52445	From: D Stoll	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52446	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52447	From: mikenguy9	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: HO PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52448	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52449	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52450	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52451	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: White crud is sodium stearate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52452	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White crud is sodium stearate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52453	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Spring S Spree motel heads up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52454	From: Larry Asp	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White crud is sodium stearate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52455	From: lember2004	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52456	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52457	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52458	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52459	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52460	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52461	From: mnoral2	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52462	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52463	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52464	From: rdgroup427	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52465	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Repaints, restorations, or fakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52466	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52467	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52468	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52469	From: knockbill	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52470	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52471	From: jim patterson	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52472	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52473	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Repaints, restorations, or fakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52474	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52475	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: 342AC tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52476	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52477	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52478	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52479	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52480	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52482	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52483	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52484	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52485	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52486	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52487	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52488	From: jim patterson	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52489	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52490	From: William Porter	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52491	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52492	From: John	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52493	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52494	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52495	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52496	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52497	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52498	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52499	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52500	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52501	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52502	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52503	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: AF 343 Switchers in Tandem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52504	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52505	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 Switchers in Tandem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52507	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones type modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52508	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 switchers in tandem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52509	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52510	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52511	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52512	From: G C	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 switchers in tandem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52513	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52514	From: G C	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52515	From: rpuls3	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52516	From: Paul	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52517	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Baldwin Deisel squeals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52518	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52519	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Baldwin Deisel squeals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52520	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52521	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Analog TV!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52522	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Analog TV!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52523	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website On Line (Really!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52524	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52525	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52526	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52527	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: 1946 AF #650
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52528	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52529	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52530	From: G C	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52531	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Fw: Trains shops in vegas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52532	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: WPLA TV Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52533	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: Hugo's All South American Diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52534	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52535	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: Hugo's All South American Diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52536	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 1946 AF #650
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52537	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 1946 AF #650
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52538	From: Jim King	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Kits now shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52539	From: Jim King	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Next project will be ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52540	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52541	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52542	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 Switchers in Tandem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52543	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52544	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52545	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52546	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52547	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52548	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 1946 AF #650
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52549	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Fw: legal news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52550	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52551	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Fw: pinhead TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52552	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Fw: Maryland broadcaster fined
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52553	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: 370 diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52554	From: michael prell	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: pinhead TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52555	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52556	From: G C	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52557	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Kits now shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52558	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: legal news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52559	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52560	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Sound from a 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52561	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52562	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: 2-8-0 from a 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52563	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Maryland broadcaster fined
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52564	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52565	From: Michael Rector	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Maryland broadcaster fined
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52566	From: G C	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52567	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52568	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: pinhead TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52569	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52570	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Sound from a 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52571	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: NASG Booth at WGH Show in Nashville, Feb 14-15 - Looking for volunte
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52572	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52573	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52574	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52575	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52576	From: michael prell	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: pinhead TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52577	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52578	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: sticking e unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52579	From: William Porter	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52580	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52581	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS??? E-Bay Item #230324302604
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52582	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS??? E-Bay Item #230324302604
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52583	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52584	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS??? E-Bay Item #230324302604
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52585	From: Firewood	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52586	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: NJI INternational Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52587	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Baffle for #800 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52588	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52589	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52590	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52591	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52592	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52593	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52594	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52595	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52596	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52597	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52598	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52599	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52600	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: 2-8-0 from a #343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52601	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Lubing a Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52602	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Coupler dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52603	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52604	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a #343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52605	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52606	From: John	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52607	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52608	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52609	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52610	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52611	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52612	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52613	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52614	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4 [S-Trains] Digest Number 4357
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52615	From: templetonlou	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: 800 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52616	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52617	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Atlas 3/16 4-4-2, I took this from the Marx group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52618	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Opps!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52619	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52620	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Stumpy Rules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52621	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52622	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52623	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52624	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Stumpy rules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52625	From: bcgsteam	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52626	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Stumpy rules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52627	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Stumpy rules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52628	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stumpy rules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52629	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: 1/64 aircraft available!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52630	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: New S-Head Kits...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52631	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: New Australian Model Railway Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52632	From: Larry Schliessmann	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Finally, a new photo with more to follow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52633	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52634	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52635	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Train Show Sunday in Saline, Mich
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52636	From: afkennn	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Rust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52637	From: afkennn	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52638	From: boblines51	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: New catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52639	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Rust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52640	From: Rosie	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: New catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52641	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Train show this weekend....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52642	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52643	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52644	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: New catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52645	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52646	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52647	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52648	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52649	From: Jim King	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: S scale pulpwood rack kits all shipped & 70-ton GE update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52650	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: New Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52651	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/15/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52652	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52653	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52654	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Cows Have Phones
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52655	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Telegraph Pole
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52656	From: D. Winslow	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52657	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52658	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Telegraph Pole
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52659	From: Glenn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: OPENING DAY APRIL 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52660	From: afkennn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Rust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52661	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: NASG Booth at Nashville WGH Show - Today, Feb 15
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52662	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52663	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52664	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52665	From: William Porter	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52666	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado [S-Trains] Digest Number 4361
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52668	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52669	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado [S-Trains] Digest Number 4361
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52670	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Youtube video Gilbert/Flyer Diesel Roar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52671	From: John	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Working Conveyers in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52672	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Rust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52673	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52674	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Telegraph Pole
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52675	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: OPENING DAY APRIL 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52676	From: Glenn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52677	From: william cole	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado [S-Trains] tender truck safety chains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52678	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/15/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52679	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Tender truck safety chains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52680	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52681	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52682	From: G C	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52683	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52684	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52685	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck safety chains [S-Trains] Digest Number 4363
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52686	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck safety chains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52687	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52688	From: John	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52689	From: John	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52690	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck safety chains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52691	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52692	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Layout Setback!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52693	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52694	From: John	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52695	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge - Pitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52696	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: How's It Made - Model Railroad Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52697	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52698	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: New Australian Model Railway Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52699	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52700	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52701	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52702	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52703	From: Firewood	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: 'Inbetween' driving wheels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52704	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52705	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52706	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: 'Inbetween' driving wheels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52707	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52708	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52709	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: 'Inbetween' driving wheels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52710	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52711	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Dragger Track Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52712	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52713	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52714	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Conveyor Belts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52715	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52716	From: pontiac231sc	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Intro and Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52717	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Conveyor Belts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52718	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Conveyor Belts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52719	From: paflyrman	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: NE1 Know about this RARE AF Reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52720	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Intro and Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52721	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Intro and a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52722	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52723	From: John	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Conveyor Belts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52724	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52725	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52726	From: William Porter	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52727	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52728	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52729	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52730	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Layout Bikers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52731	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52732	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52733	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Canoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52734	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: AF Mikado Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52735	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52736	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: 0-8-0 conversion drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52737	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger Track Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52738	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52739	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Lionel Legacy vs. TMCC for AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52740	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger Track Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52741	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Canoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52742	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Legacy vs. TMCC for AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52743	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52744	From: preardon4girls	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52745	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52746	From: lember2004	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52747	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52748	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52749	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52750	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52751	From: runtro66	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52752	From: William Porter	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52753	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Need 0-8-0 parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52754	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52755	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52756	From: John	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52757	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52758	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52759	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Need 0-8-0 parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52760	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52761	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52762	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Light Towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52764	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Light Towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52765	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Smoke Fluid Funnel Spoof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52766	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Light Towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52767	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid Funnel Spoof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52768	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: 24566 Tractor & Trailer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52769	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52770	From: Russ Sanford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52771	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52772	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Lights lighted!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52773	From: seg60133	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: No AF in 2009 Lionel catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52774	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: No AF in 2009 Lionel catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52775	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52776	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: No AF in 2009 Lionel catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/22/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52778	From: Eric R.	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52779	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: transformer questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52780	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: FBI Bulletin (Spoof)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52781	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Workin on the Railroad TV Series
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52782	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52783	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52784	From: Glenn	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52785	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52786	From: John	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises - Please read
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52787	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises - Please read
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52788	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52789	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52790	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52791	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Al Klingensmith
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52792	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises - Please read
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52793	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52794	From: William Porter	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Mark Premen ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52795	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52796	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52797	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52798	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Al Klingensmith
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52799	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Mark Premen ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52800	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52801	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52802	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52803	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: transformer questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52804	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Mark Premen ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52805	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52806	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/22/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52807	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52808	From: preardon4girls	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Transformer Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52809	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Mark Premen ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52810	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52811	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: transformer questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52812	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52813	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52814	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52815	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Freedom Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52816	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52817	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52818	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52819	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Montana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52820	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52821	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52822	From: Sharon Brown	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: American Models Sound Card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52823	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52824	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Sound Card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52825	From: thejohnsons@mchsi.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52826	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52827	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52828	From: Sharon Brown	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Sound Card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52829	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: We are end users of used train rail scraps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52830	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52831	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52832	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52833	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: American Models Locos & DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52834	From: pkrae	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52835	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52836	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Six Wheel Trucks Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52837	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52838	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52839	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52840	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52841	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52842	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52843	From: nrcastricone	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: SHS TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52844	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52845	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52846	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: flyonel docksider smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52847	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52848	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel docksider smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52849	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52850	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52851	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52852	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52853	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52854	From: Don Birdey	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52855	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: KEYSTONE TCA SPRING TRAINing "SWAP MEET"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52856	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel docksider smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52857	From: G C	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52858	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52859	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52860	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52861	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52862	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Resistor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52863	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resistor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52864	From: michael prell	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52865	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52866	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resistor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52867	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52868	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: TV Alert - 8:00 PM EST Tonight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52869	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52870	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52871	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Carl Tuveson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52872	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52873	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52874	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52875	From: William Porter	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52876	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Modern steam operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52877	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52878	From: rpuls3	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52879	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Grand Canyon Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52880	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern steam operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52881	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Modern Steam - Permits?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52882	From: William Porter	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern steam operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52883	From: William Porter	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52884	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Gender Bender...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52885	From: workinalure	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52886	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52887	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern Steam - Permits?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52888	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52889	From: william cole	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52890	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52891	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52892	From: workinalure	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52893	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: FBI Bulletin (Spoof)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52894	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52895	From: ai2q	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Steam in Maine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52896	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: The Falsely Reported Demise Of Eastside Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52897	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52898	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52899	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Crossover Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52900	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Modern Steam - Permits?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52901	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52902	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52903	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern Steam - Permits?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52904	From: Barry	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Grand River Models detail parts now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52905	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52906	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52907	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52908	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52909	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52910	From: G C	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52911	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Gilbert Cardboard Circus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52912	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52913	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52914	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Modern Steam - Permits?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52915	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52916	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52917	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52918	From: Glenn	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: TRAIN CAUSED FIRE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52919	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Workin on the Railroad Episode Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52920	From: David Engle	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: TRAIN CAUSED FIRE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52921	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52922	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52923	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52924	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Convert DC American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52925	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52926	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Convert DC American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52927	From: william cole	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52928	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Convert DC American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52929	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models [S-Trains] Digest Number 4376
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52930	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Convert DC American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52931	From: ken garber	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52932	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52933	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52934	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52935	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52936	From: G C	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52937	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52938	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gilbert Cardboard Circus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52939	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gilbert Cardboard Circus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52940	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52941	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52942	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52943	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models [S-Trains] Digest Number 4376
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52944	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Thank you, Stumpy and OK, Extreme Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52945	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52946	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52947	From: John	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52948	From: John Conant	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52949	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Circus and Farm Cutouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52950	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52951	From: michael prell	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52952	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52953	From: paflyrman	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Off Topic - Free HO Train Dsplay Alexandria VA Sat - Sun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52954	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Circus and Farm Cutouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52955	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52956	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52957	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52958	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52959	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52960	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52961	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52962	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52963	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52964	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52965	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52966	From: Ed	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52967	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Mr Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52968	From: Glenn	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52969	From: Glenn	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52970	From: michael prell	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52971	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52972	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52973	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52974	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52975	From: G C	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52976	From: dphobbies	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52977	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: reverse loops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52978	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52979	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Did anybody buy the Freedom Train Passenger Set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52980	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52981	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52982	From: Rosie	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52983	From: grant	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52984	From: michael prell	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52985	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52986	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/1/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52987	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52988	From: Firewood	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52989	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Vocabulary Assistance, Please!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52990	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: 336 tender pick up shoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52991	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52992	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52993	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52994	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52995	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52996	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Did anybody buy the Freedom Train Passenger Set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52997	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52998	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 52999	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53000	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53001	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Telegraph poles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53002	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 336 tender pick up shoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53003	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53004	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: 2009 Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53005	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 336 tender pick up shoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53006	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53007	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53008	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53009	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53010	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53011	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53012	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53013	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53014	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53015	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53016	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53017	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53018	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53019	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53020	From: Rosie	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53021	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53022	From: John Keating	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Wanted: Front & Rear Truck Sideframes For A 479 Silver Flash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53023	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: We are end users of used train rail scraps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53024	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53025	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: We are end users of used train rail scraps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53026	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53027	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/1/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53028	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Metric Ton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53029	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53030	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53031	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Metric Ton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53032	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 336 tender pick up shoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53033	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Metric Ton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53034	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53035	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53036	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: AF Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53037	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Lionel 2009 catalog picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53038	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Most Important item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53039	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53040	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53041	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53042	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53043	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Wheel gauging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53044	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53045	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53046	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: A/F trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53047	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53048	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53049	From: rpuls3	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53050	From: william cole	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Lionel new loco, et al
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53051	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53052	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53053	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Most Important item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53054	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53055	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel's U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53056	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53057	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53058	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53059	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53060	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53061	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53062	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53063	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: stampede!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53064	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Fw: stampede!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53065	From: John	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53066	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Fw: stampede!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53067	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: stampede!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53068	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53069	From: Jerry Hiett	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53070	From: rep928	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Atlantic engine repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53071	From: ooticamitica	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53072	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53073	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: New Christmas Car photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53074	From: Glenn	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: stampede!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53075	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Thanks to all for the advice!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53076	From: rep928	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53077	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53078	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53079	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to all for the advice!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53080	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53081	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Christmas Car photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53082	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: AM S-12 slowing on curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53083	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53084	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: S Stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53085	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53086	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53087	From: John	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53088	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53089	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53090	From: Michael Martino	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53091	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53092	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Weak Motor & Another Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53093	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Weak Motor & Another Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53094	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE: Weak Motor & Another Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53095	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53096	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Weak Motor & Another Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53097	From: michael prell	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53098	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Christmas Car photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53099	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: AM S-12 slowing on curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53100	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53101	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Spring Show Calendar, Eastern PA Area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53102	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: AM S-12 slowing on curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53103	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53104	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Happy Birthday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53105	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53106	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: #600 wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53107	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53108	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53109	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53110	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53111	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53112	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53113	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53114	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53115	From: ham_45242	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: #600 wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53116	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53117	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Thanks y'all
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53118	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: return to link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53119	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53120	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: return to link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53121	From: ekaplan707	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53122	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53123	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53124	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53125	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Control Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53126	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53127	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53128	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: return to link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53129	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53130	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: ROTARY COAL DUMPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53131	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53132	From: David Engle	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53133	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Flash Point Vs. Ignition Temperature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53134	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Maury Romer's ledgers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53135	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53136	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: return to link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53137	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53138	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53139	From: ac312	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: American Models service -- positive experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53140	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Models service -- positive experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53141	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53142	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53143	From: Firewood	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flash Point Vs. Ignition Temperature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53144	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53145	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: American Models service -- positive experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53146	From: Mike	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Toy Train Paper and Memorabilia Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53147	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Investment advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53148	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Fw: Lionel S Helper AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53149	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Houston S Gaugers Web Site Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53150	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel S Helper AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53151	From: Mike Lenssen	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: My Recent American Models service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53152	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel S Helper AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53153	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Investment advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53154	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: My Recent American Models service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53155	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Investment advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53156	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Train Paper and Memorabilia Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53157	From: John	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: ROTARY COAL DUMPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53158	From: John	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Martins Ferry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53159	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: ROTARY COAL DUMPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53160	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Martins Ferry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53161	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53162	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Martins Ferry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53163	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Tunnel for #300 dealer display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53164	From: hhisgauger	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Building a Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53165	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53166	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: 971 Southern Pacific Flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53167	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53168	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: 971 Southern Pacific Flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53169	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53170	From: G C	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53171	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: 971 Southern Pacific Flatcar Price Guide fallacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53172	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53173	From: michael prell	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Martins Ferry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53174	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: More new photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53175	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53176	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: AM switcher, part two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53177	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: AM Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53178	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: AM Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53179	From: verdescape20	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53180	From: innotron	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53181	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Baseball towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53182	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Visit a train-themed outlet mall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53183	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53184	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Fw: AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53185	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: American Models handrails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53186	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53187	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: American Models handrails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53188	From: Glenn	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53189	From: Glenn	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: FLORIDA SOUTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53190	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53191	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53192	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53193	From: race944t	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53194	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: TCA Meets Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53195	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53196	From: race944t	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: 22034 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53197	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53198	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: TCA Meets Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53199	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: TCA Meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53200	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53201	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Fw: Repair of engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53202	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53203	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53204	From: Grant	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53205	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53206	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53207	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Pine Creek Rail Trail, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53208	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Stupid question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53209	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53210	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53211	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53212	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53213	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53214	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53215	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53216	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53217	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Vocabulary Assistance, Please!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53218	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value - Reserve or not
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53220	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value - Reserve or not
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53221	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Vocabulary Assistance, Please!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53222	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53223	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53224	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53225	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53226	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53227	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53228	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53229	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53230	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53231	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53232	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53233	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53234	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53235	From: Grant	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53236	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53237	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53238	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53239	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: 343 tender light question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53240	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53241	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53242	From: michael prell	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53243	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53244	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Uses for AF Smoke Fluid Funnels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53245	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53246	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53247	From: Firewood	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53248	From: race944t	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53249	From: race944t	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53250	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Uses for AF Smoke Fluid Funnels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53251	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 343 tender light question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53252	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53253	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53254	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Product Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53255	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Don't always believe what you're told!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53256	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53257	From: The Reardon's	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 343 tender light question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53258	From: Martin Coleman	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53259	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: SIT FOR 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53260	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: SIT FOR 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53261	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Big Boy, & 2009 line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53262	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: SIT FOR 343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53263	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: TMCC "Decoder"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53264	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Amtrak, enjoy the journey....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53265	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC "Decoder"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53266	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53267	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC "Decoder"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53268	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53269	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53270	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53271	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Another American Models Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53272	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another American Models Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53273	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53274	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53275	From: innotron	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53276	From: michael prell	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53277	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Circus Repro Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53278	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53279	From: william cole	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another American Models Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53280	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Amtrak, enjoy the journey....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53281	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53282	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another American Models Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53283	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53284	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53285	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Repro Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53286	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53287	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53288	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Repro Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53289	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53290	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53291	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53292	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: tmcc decoders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53293	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53294	From: innotron	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53295	From: rpuls3	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53296	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53297	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53298	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Silver Spring, MD Train Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53299	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: All Scales Train Show to Benefit Boy Scouts Sat 3-14 and Sun 3-15 Da
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53300	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53301	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Better baseball pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53302	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: All Scales Train Show to Benefit Boy Scouts Sat 3-14 and Sun 3-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53303	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Better baseball pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53304	From: Firewood	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53305	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53306	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53307	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/15/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53308	From: preardon4girls	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Noisy Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53309	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53310	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53311	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53312	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Future Value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53313	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53314	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53315	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53316	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53317	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: toy trainsters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53318	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53319	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53320	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/15/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53321	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: RRMPA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53322	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53323	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: 3/16 Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53324	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: 2009 Flyonel engines and cars are now in TheGilbertGallery.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53325	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: 3/16
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53326	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Web site listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53327	From: Rhett George	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: St. Gilbert's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53328	From: Scottsfamilytree@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Listing of several American Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53329	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: been around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53330	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: 3/16
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53331	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Calendar Continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53332	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Trying to reach Mike Rosz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53333	From: J. Scott Mckay	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53334	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: OOOPS-Calendar Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53335	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: been around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53336	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: AM Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53337	From: Firewood	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Future Value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: AM Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53339	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53340	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53341	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53342	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53343	From: michael prell	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53344	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53345	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53346	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53347	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53348	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53349	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53350	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53351	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53352	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53353	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53354	From: Paul	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53355	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53356	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53357	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53358	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53359	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53360	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53361	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Cleaning Roadbed - While Wife is Away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53362	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning Roadbed - While Wife is Away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53363	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53364	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: 751 Log Loader Part Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53365	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: FW: [TCA_members_group] SE Michigan Train Shows (and some others)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53366	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Part Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53367	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: S Spree dates for TWO DIFFERENT YEARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53368	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Spree dates for TWO DIFFERENT YEARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53369	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53370	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53371	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53372	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53373	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53374	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Noisy Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53375	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53376	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: St. Gilbert's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53377	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: been around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53378	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53379	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Trying to reach Mike Rosz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53380	From: Scottsfamilytree@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53381	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53382	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53383	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53384	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Part Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53385	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Big L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53386	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Atlas Industrial PRR E-6 4-4-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53387	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53388	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Industrial PRR E-6 4-4-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53389	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: 3/16
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53390	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53391	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53392	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53393	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Dishwashed Road Bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53394	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53395	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53396	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53397	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53398	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Industrial PRR E-6 4-4-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53399	From: ken garber	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Spree Date correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53400	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: 3/16
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53401	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53402	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53403	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: St. Gilbert's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53404	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53405	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails & A Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53406	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sad history...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53407	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53408	From: G C	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails & A Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53409	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Maury Romer's ledgers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53410	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails & A Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53411	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Strange E-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53412	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53413	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53414	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53415	From: Greg Klein	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Grand Opening of New Toy Trains Unlimited Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53416	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53417	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53418	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: newby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53419	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Grand Opening of New Toy Trains Unlimited Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53420	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53421	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53422	From: Phil K	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53423	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53424	From: John	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53425	From: John	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53426	From: michael prell	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53427	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE: A F Circus Cutouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53428	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53429	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53430	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: 647 Reefer door/guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53431	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Grand Opening of New Toy Trains Unlimited Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53432	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53433	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Train things
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53434	From: michael prell	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53435	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: 647 reefer door/guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53436	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53437	From: michael prell	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53438	From: Larry Schliessmann	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Need help with prewar AF 3/16 Northern DC activation solenoid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53439	From: Jim King	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: S scale GE 70-tonner almost ready
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53440	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53441	From: Jim King	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: S scale GE 70-tonner almost ready
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53442	From: Jim King	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: S scale 70-tonner add-on note
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53443	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53444	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/22/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53445	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53446	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Careful cleaning 1946-47 wheels!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53447	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53448	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Larry's Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53449	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: NMRA RP20.1m: Car weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53450	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Not S, but Railroad: Historic Northern IdahoTrain Depot to be destr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53451	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Careful cleaning 1946-47 wheels!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53452	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53453	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Fw: LiveLeak.com - World's largest model train railway.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53454	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Larry's Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53455	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53456	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53457	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53458	From: michael prell	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53459	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53460	From: Coopers	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53461	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53462	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53463	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Old Dispatch Issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53464	From: t larson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Farm Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53465	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53466	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: New Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53467	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53468	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: New Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53469	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53470	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53471	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/22/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53472	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53473	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53474	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53475	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53476	From: Don	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53477	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53478	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53479	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53480	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53481	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53482	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53483	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Maury Romer's ledgers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53484	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Denver & Rio Grande Dry Transfers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53485	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53486	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53487	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Repairing AF Roof Walks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53488	From: John	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53489	From: t larson	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: [Fwd: Vehicle Kit Bashing]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53490	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53491	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53492	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53493	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: SnS resurfaced armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53494	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53495	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53496	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53497	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53498	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53499	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53500	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53501	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53502	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: SnS resurfaced armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53503	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53504	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53505	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53506	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53507	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53508	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: TCM MOVIE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53509	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53510	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53511	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53512	From: John Sage	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53513	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53514	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Steam loco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53515	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Steam loco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53516	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Steam loco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53517	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Steam loco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53518	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Steam loco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53519	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: SnS resurfaced armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53520	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Lighted Gas Station Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53521	From: John	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lighted Gas Station Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53522	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Fw: World's largest model train set, iPhone 3.0 buzz & more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53523	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53524	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53525	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53526	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lighted Gas Station Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53527	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Dry Transfer Source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53528	From: valiantmike72	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: American Models Amtrak Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53529	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Amtrak Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53530	From: Glenn	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: WORLD'S LARGEST MODEL RAILROAD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53531	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Train wreck!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53532	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53533	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53534	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: American Models Amtrak Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53535	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53536	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53537	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53538	From: michael prell	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53539	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Camera bellows material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53540	From: John	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53541	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53542	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53543	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53544	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53545	From: Jim King	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Southern's radio control car in O and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53546	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53547	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Circus Cutouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53548	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53549	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Fw: Circus Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53550	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53551	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53552	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Southern's radio control car in O and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53553	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53554	From: J. Scott Mckay	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Photo update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53555	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Photo update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53556	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53557	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/29/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53558	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Hudson Brush Bracket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53559	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/29/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53560	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson Brush Bracket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53561	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson Brush Bracket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53562	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: am amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53563	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Full Circle Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53565	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: On-line: Model Railroad Hobbyist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53566	From: Mike Lenssen	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: American Models Amtrak Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53567	From: race944t	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53568	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53569	From: flyerman336	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: MIKADO SMOKER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53570	From: Phil K	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: MIKADO SMOKER plus "How-To Guide" with photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53571	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53572	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53573	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53574	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53575	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53576	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53577	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53578	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53579	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53580	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53581	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53582	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53583	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53584	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53585	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53586	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: More on DCC-TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53587	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53588	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Command Control Poll?( one more reply)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53589	From: Al	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: SHS American Flyer compatible wheelsets for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53590	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53591	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53592	From: ac312	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: NYC Mikado chuffing again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53593	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53594	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53595	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53596	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53597	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53598	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll [S-Trains] Digest Number 4419
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53599	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Poll Is Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53600	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: And you ..THINK ..you have a Train set.....Not Likely
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53601	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53602	From: pontiac231sc	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: American Models NH PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53603	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53605	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53606	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53607	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Flyer wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53608	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: New control method tested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53609	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: NYC Mikado chuffing again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53610	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53611	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53612	From: jim_marski	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Gilbert Flyer items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53613	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53614	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53615	From: Larry Asp	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53616	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53617	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: New control method tested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53618	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 SWITCHER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53619	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53620	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53621	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: New control method tested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53622	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53623	From: Ralph Kahn	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Invitation to join Buildings and Structures Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53624	From: boguscop1953	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53625	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53626	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53628	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53629	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53630	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53631	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53632	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53633	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53634	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53635	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53636	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53637	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53638	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53639	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53640	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53641	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53642	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53643	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53644	From: John	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53645	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53646	From: boguscop1953	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53647	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53648	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53649	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53650	From: bud9351	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: AF tank car dome top needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53651	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53652	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53653	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53654	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53655	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53656	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Cast Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53657	From: boguscop1953	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53658	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53659	From: G C	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53660	From: G C	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53661	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Cast Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53662	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53663	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53664	From: Ronald Inscho	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Cast Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53665	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: A bit of Train history
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53666	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53667	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Mohawks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53668	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/5/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53669	From: Phil K	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mohawks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53670	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53671	From: seg60133	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53672	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53673	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: The Good, No Bad and The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53674	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53675	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and setting up a Layout website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53676	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] A bit of Train history
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53677	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53678	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53680	From: John	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53681	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: SMOKER USED IN MIKADO Flyonel C&O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53682	From: John	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53683	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53684	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: SMOKER USED IN MIKADO Flyonel C&O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53685	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Mohawks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53686	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53687	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Smoke Deflectors - Mohawk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53688	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53689	From: G C	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] A bit of Train history
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53690	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: I wonder?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53691	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: 21004(5)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53692	From: Phil K	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: I wonder?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53693	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: I wonder?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53694	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/5/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53695	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53696	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53697	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: 21004(5)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53698	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53699	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Crisis at Monocacy Battlefield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53700	From: Glenn	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: A TRAIN BIRTHDAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53701	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: 21004(5)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53702	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53703	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53704	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: A TRAIN BIRTHDAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53705	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: A TRAIN BIRTHDAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53706	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53707	From: The LANIERs	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: 21004(5)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53708	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53709	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53710	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53711	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53712	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53713	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53714	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53715	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53716	From: Michael Rector	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53717	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53718	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53719	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53720	From: John	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53721	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53722	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53723	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53724	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53725	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: S helper field opening delayed--AAAAUGH Funnel cakes too!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53726	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: In need of
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53727	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53728	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53729	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 720 SWITCHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53730	From: innotron	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53731	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53732	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53733	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53734	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53735	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53736	From: John	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: I have found it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53737	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53738	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53739	From: Jim King	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53740	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53741	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: quest for a quiet SIT motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53742	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: quest for a quiet SIT motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53743	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: quest for a quiet SIT motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53744	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53745	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: WANTED : PRS BOX CARS : SOUTHERN RY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53746	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: quest for a quiet SIT motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53747	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Website Building - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53748	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Website Building - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53749	From: steven.kibort	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Tampa Bay. FL area train show and open house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53750	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Comcast and Beyond Stupid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53751	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Website Building - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53752	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Website Building - Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53753	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53754	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53756	From: ehsauers1	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: B&O Diesel Switcher decal project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53757	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53759	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewel colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53760	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53762	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Superior Bakery model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53763	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53764	From: rxman46321	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: American Hi-rail DL109's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53765	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53766	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53767	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53768	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53769	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Picture needed: 48062 Pennsylvania Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53770	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53771	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53772	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53773	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53774	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53775	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53776	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53777	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53778	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53779	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53780	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53781	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: lay out book sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53782	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53783	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Spring Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53784	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53785	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53786	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53787	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53788	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53789	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53790	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53791	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53792	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53793	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53794	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53795	From: John	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: E-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53796	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53797	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53798	From: G C	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53799	From: dirtysandtrap	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: tender step
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53800	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: RMC Item Re Smokey Mountain Model Works B&O Wagontop Kit in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53801	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ??? Bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53802	From: Ted Walton	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Superior Bakery model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53803	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: RMC Item Re Smokey Mountain Model Works B&O Wagontop Kit in S Sc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53804	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53805	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: tender step
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53806	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/12/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53807	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: ??? Bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53808	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/12/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53809	From: G C	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53810	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53811	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53812	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something wrong with this picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53813	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53814	From: The LANIERs	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53815	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53816	From: Ben Perry	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53817	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53818	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53819	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53820	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53821	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53822	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53823	From: A E Johnson	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53824	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53825	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53826	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53827	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53828	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53829	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Comcast update from Appalachia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53830	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something is wrong with this picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53831	From: michael prell	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53832	From: michael prell	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something is wrong with this picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53833	From: william cole	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53834	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53835	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53836	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Comcast update from Appalachia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53837	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53838	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53839	From: michael prell	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53840	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53841	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53842	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53843	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53844	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53845	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53846	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Comcast update from Appalachia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53847	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Something Wrong? (the other side of the coin)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53848	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong? (the other side of the coin)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53849	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong? (the other side of the coin)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53850	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Comcast update from Appalachia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53851	From: bstilesaf	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: 592/592A/600?? Bases for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53852	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53853	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53854	From: burger_christopher	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53855	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53856	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: 592/592A/600?? Bases for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53857	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: 592/592A/600?? Bases for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53858	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53859	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53860	From: michael prell	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53861	From: michael prell	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53862	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53863	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53864	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53865	From: A E Johnson	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Something wrong with this picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53866	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53867	From: The LANIERs	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53868	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53869	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Curving Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53870	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53871	From: G C	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53872	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53873	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Fw: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Re: B&O Diesel Switcher decal project (HO &
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53874	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53875	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53876	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Curving Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53877	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53878	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53879	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53880	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53881	From: Phil K	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53882	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Show Calendar Continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53883	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53885	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53886	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53887	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Fw: Your C&O ALCO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53888	From: Scott	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Comcast update from Appalachia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53889	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53890	From: John	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Your C&O ALCO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53891	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Your C&O ALCO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53892	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53893	From: teeb_1	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53894	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53895	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53896	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53897	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53898	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Parting Out A Franklin?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53899	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: using Credit Card for purchases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53900	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53901	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53902	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Parting Out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53903	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: American Flyer Price Guides?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53904	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53905	From: Coopers	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53906	From: G C	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53907	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53908	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: 4-B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53909	From: marcella14612	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: S-Gauge American Models? Baby Ruth Billboard Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53910	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53911	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: SELLING OF PARTS ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53912	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: S-Gauge American Models? Baby Ruth Billboard Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53913	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC HELP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53915	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53916	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53917	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53918	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Your C&O ALCO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53919	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53920	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53921	From: teeb_1	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53922	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53923	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Parting Out A Franklin?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53924	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53925	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53926	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53927	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides [S-Trains] Digest Number 4436
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53928	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: American Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53929	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides [S-Trains] Digest Number 4436
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53930	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53931	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53932	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53933	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53934	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53935	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53936	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53937	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Flyer 354/56 Engine Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53938	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53939	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Alternate Circus Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53940	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Model Train Show to benefit Autism Research
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53941	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53942	From: Phil K	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Posts regarding sellers who break down engines for parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53943	From: Phil K	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Alternate Circus Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53944	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53945	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Alternate Circus Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53946	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: American Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53947	From: michael prell	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Alternate Circus Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53948	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? [S-Trains] Digest Number 4437
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53949	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides [S-Trains] Digest Number 4437
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53950	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53951	From: G C	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53952	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Passenger engines freight engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53953	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53954	From: Ben Perry	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53955	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53956	From: splsaab	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53957	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Alternate Circus Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53958	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Flyonel Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53959	From: G C	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53960	From: G C	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53961	From: william cole	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53962	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53963	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: rdc question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53964	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/19/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53965	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Alternate Circus Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53966	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53967	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53968	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53969	From: william cole	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: rdc question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53970	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: rdc question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53971	From: John	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: XTrkCad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53972	From: John	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: XTrkCad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53973	From: John	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53974	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: secret mission
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53975	From: lember2004	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53976	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53977	From: Keith O	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: What should I do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53978	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: What should I do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53979	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53980	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: What should I do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53981	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: What should I do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53982	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53983	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: 293 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53984	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/19/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53987	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53988	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Consolidated 2-8-0 Smoker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53989	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Items For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53990	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53991	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: 342 questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53992	From: race944t	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: York get together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53993	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: 293 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53994	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Highways in the York area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53995	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53996	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53997	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53998	From: william cole	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 53999	From: william cole	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54000	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: RDC link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54001	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54002	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Some Accessories For Sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54003	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Reading PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54004	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: rdc question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54005	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: SP and Chessie S-Helper freight train sets for sale - SPECIAL YORK p
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54006	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54007	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Pennsylvania Heritage Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54008	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Hookey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54009	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: -Video: Flyertown S Display, So. Jersey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54010	From: glenn allen	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: S Scale At Reading (UK)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54011	From: william cole	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hookey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54012	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: soldering stainless Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54013	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Hugo and Che
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54014	From: rdgroup427	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: soldering stainless Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54015	From: Al	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: S-Gauge Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54016	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Train Show Down Under
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54017	From: John Keating	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54018	From: Jim King	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54019	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54020	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: VACATION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54021	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Leftover Vinyl Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54022	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: For sale: Crown Models Reefers & Flyonel Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54023	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Lionel U-boat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54024	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Stan Furmanak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54025	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Pennsylvania Heritage Models, questions about product line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54026	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Stan Furmanak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54027	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54028	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stan Furmanak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54029	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54030	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54031	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54032	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54033	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Stan Furmanak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54034	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54035	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/26/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54036	From: rpuls3	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: operating sessions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54037	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54038	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54039	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Nearly Spree time...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54040	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54041	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Trestle Replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54042	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54043	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54044	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54045	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54046	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54047	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54048	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54049	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54050	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54051	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 6703
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54052	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/26/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54053	From: Robert Comerford	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54054	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54055	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54056	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54057	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54058	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54059	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Moment of Silence
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54060	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Moment of Silence
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54061	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: For sale: CM Clicquot Club and 6 Flyonel freights; all NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54062	From: Robert Comerford	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54063	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54064	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Track for Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54065	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54066	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Wilbur ("Will" Farley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54067	From: Robert Comerford	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54068	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: On Stan Furmanak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54069	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: non York Halls highlights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54070	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Operating sessions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54071	From: Mark Hoffman	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: non York Halls highlights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54072	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: non York Halls highlights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54073	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: On Stan Furmanak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54074	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Non York Halls highlights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54075	From: william cole	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Non York Halls highlights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54076	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Need photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54077	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: HO Billboards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54078	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Non York Halls highlights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54079	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54080	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54081	From: Phil K	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54082	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: New home of the San Diego S-Gaugers club website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54083	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54084	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54085	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: -Video: So. Jersey RR Museum@Tuckahoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54086	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54087	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54088	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54089	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54090	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54091	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54092	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54093	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54094	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: York Saturday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54095	From: william cole	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: York Saturday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54096	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54097	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54098	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Fwd Domain Names (was Re New home San Diego S-Gaugers)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54099	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54100	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54101	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54102	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Elesco Feedwater Heater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54103	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54104	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: New home of the San Diego S-Gaugers club website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54105	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: York Saturday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54106	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Most Important Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54107	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54108	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Elesco Feedwater Heater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54109	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54110	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: moving the Upstairs Train and the Gilbert Gallery?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54111	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54112	From: Glenn	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54113	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54114	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Most Important Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54115	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Most Important Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54116	From: william cole	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: York purchases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54117	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54118	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54119	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Bullfrog Snot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54120	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54121	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54122	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54123	From: bw_hansen	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Cheap S Scale Army tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54124	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54125	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: detailing AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54126	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54127	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: A little info about the 12 hour American Flyer video tape
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54128	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54129	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Lumber sheds, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54130	From: D Stoll	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54131	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54132	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54133	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54134	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54135	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54136	From: wisner_mark	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54137	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54138	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: American Flyer Catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54139	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: A little info about the 12 hour American Flyer video tape
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54140	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54141	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: A little info about the 12 hour American Flyer video tape
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54142	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Scenic Express Roadway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54143	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Scenic Express Roadway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54144	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54145	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Scenic Express Roadway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54146	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54147	From: Phil K	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54148	From: Michael Martino	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54149	From: John	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54150	From: Larry Asp	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54151	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54152	From: John	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54153	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54154	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54155	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54156	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54157	From: Phil K	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54158	From: Gerald Shultz Sr	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: LEDS ALL COLORS BOTH FLASHING AND NON-FLASHING AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54159	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism....This Week at SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54160	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54161	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54162	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Terry Putt Lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54163	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54164	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Flyernut Meeting and Gilbert Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54165	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/3/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54166	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: AF track and Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54167	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54168	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54169	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF track and Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54170	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF track and Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54171	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Oil Storage tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54172	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Terry Putt Lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54173	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF track and Locomotives.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54174	From: John	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Kalmback videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54175	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LEDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54177	From: michael prell	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Kalmback videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54178	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54179	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54180	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54181	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54182	From: John	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Kalmback videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54183	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54184	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54185	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: 2009 Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54186	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54187	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54188	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54189	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54190	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54191	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54192	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54193	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54194	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54195	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54196	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Tank Dimensions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54197	From: John	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54198	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54199	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/3/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54200	From: G C	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54201	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: 710 Steam Whistle Control refurb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54202	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54203	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54204	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Oil Tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54205	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54206	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: before and after shots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54207	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control refurb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54208	From: rep928	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: American Models paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54209	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54210	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54211	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54212	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54213	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54214	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: before and after shots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54215	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54216	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Before and After
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54217	From: G C	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Before and After
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54218	From: race944t	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54219	From: race944t	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Pulling trains out after 40 years
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54220	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: lionel dock sider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54221	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54222	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54223	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54224	From: race944t	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Deep Rock tankcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54225	From: John	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Your Video Tapes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54226	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Your Video Tapes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54227	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54228	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Simmons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54229	From: michael prell	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Before and After
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54230	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: DCC Controls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54231	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: -VIDEO: S ga, Automatic Switching Block
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54232	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54233	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54234	From: G C	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54235	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54236	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54237	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54238	From: ai2q	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54239	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54240	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls (amperages)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54241	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54242	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54243	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54244	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54245	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54246	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54247	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls (amperages-more comments)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54248	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54249	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54250	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls (amperages)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54251	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54252	From: momhondo	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Plasticville Coaling tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54253	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54254	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54255	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Tom Doherty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54256	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54257	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54258	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54259	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54260	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54261	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Coaling tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54262	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Coaling tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54263	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54264	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54265	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Stan's Tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54266	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54267	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: 710 whistle controller rebuilt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54268	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: 710 whistle controller rebuilt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54269	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54270	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Micro-switch for AF Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54271	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54272	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Scences for a train layout, I think.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54273	From: workinalure	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54274	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54275	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54276	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54277	From: G C	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54278	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Micro-switch for AF Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54279	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54280	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54281	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54282	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54283	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54284	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54285	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54286	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54287	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54288	From: workinalure	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54289	From: workinalure	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54290	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54291	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54292	From: ai2q	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54293	From: jim patterson	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54294	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: More Docksider Fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54295	From: lou342ac	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Micro-switch for AF Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54296	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54297	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] CTT May/June 1995
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54298	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54299	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54300	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54301	From: race944t	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54302	From: Jim King	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Barber trucks available again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54303	From: Jim King	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: B&O wagontop box is next
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54304	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54305	From: Jim King	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner shipping next week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54306	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Simmons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54307	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54308	From: G C	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54309	From: zdava	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54310	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54311	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54312	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54313	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Need some help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54314	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54315	From: Kenneth Milner	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: New Member Seeking Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54316	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: B&O wagontop box is next
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54317	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Where Are The Layouts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54318	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54319	From: Jim King	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: S scale 70-ton diesel pix on web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54320	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54321	From: michael prell	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Seeking Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54322	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54323	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54324	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Track up grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54325	From: John	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54326	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54327	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54328	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54329	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54330	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track up grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54331	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54332	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54333	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54334	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: track up grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54335	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54336	From: michael prell	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54337	From: michael prell	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54338	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54339	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54340	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54341	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54342	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54343	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54344	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54345	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54346	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54347	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54348	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54349	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54350	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54351	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54352	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/10/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54353	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54354	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54356	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54357	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54358	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54359	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54360	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54361	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54362	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54363	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54364	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54365	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54366	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track up grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54367	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54368	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/10/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54369	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54370	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54371	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Track up grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54372	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54373	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Using DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54374	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54375	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54376	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54377	From: preardon4girls	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: X-mas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54378	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54379	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Need some help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54380	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54381	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54382	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Need some help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54383	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54384	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54385	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54386	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: RE;re Pulsing DC power to AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54387	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54388	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54389	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54390	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54391	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54392	From: ken_5556	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54393	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54394	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: TCA Show - New Braunfels TX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54395	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54396	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: X-mas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54397	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Train Meet May 16th and 17th Allentown Pa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54398	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Fw: Latest Corn.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54399	From: Jim King	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: S scale B&O wagontop box - taking reservations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54400	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Need Help with LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54401	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Need Help with LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54402	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Need Help with LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54403	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Help With LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54404	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54405	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54406	From: teeb_1	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Help With LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54408	From: zdava	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Video here - my new classic AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54409	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54410	From: John Sage	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54411	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54412	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: X-mas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54413	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54414	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: News Bulletin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54415	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Freshness Seal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54416	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: X-mas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54417	From: teeb_1	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Help With LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54418	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54419	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: S Scale B&O Wagontop Kit - Smokey Mountain Model Works: Reservations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54420	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54421	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Insurance renewal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54422	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Track Layout Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54423	From: bkweidner	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54424	From: bkweidner	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54425	From: michael prell	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54426	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54427	From: trainnut2us	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Layout Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54428	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: TrainMinder Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54429	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54430	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54431	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54432	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54433	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54434	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: TrainMinder Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54435	From: afjerryk5	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54436	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54437	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54438	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54439	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54440	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54441	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54442	From: rfalzini	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/17/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54444	From: Jim King	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Clarification of 2 B&O boxcars in resin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54445	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54446	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54447	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54448	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: American flyer by lionel cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54449	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: {S-Scale List} FOR SALE or TRADE: HEAVYWEIGHT PASSENGER CARS......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54450	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: TrainMinder values
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54451	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: TrainMinder values
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54452	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/17/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54453	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54454	From: Harold or Butch	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54455	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54456	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54457	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: TrainMinder values
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54458	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Vehicular Fuzz...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54459	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Custom Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54460	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Vehicular Fuzz...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54461	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Vehicular Fuzz...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54462	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Spring Issue Arrives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54463	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54465	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Vehicular Fuzz...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54466	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: TrainMinder imports
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54467	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums Going away - MyFlyerTrains.org would be hap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54468	From: michael prell	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54469	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54470	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54471	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Photo gallery - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54472	From: ghslaw31	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Andrew Baird
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54473	From: Rhett George	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: ACG 0-8-0 binding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54474	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Photo Albums - Moving them to MyFlyerTrains.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54475	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54476	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54477	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54478	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: S For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54479	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: AF For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54480	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Flyer 354 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54481	From: The LANIERs	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer 354 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54482	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Now there is ONE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54483	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: more S rolling stock for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54484	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: My photo albums are moved!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54485	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: GEEP PARTS NEEDED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54486	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Rubber Roadbed For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54487	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54488	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: more S rolling stock for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54489	From: Tom Crowley	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rubber Roadbed For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54490	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54491	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54492	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: FOR SALE : TWO SHS CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54493	From: zdava	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54494	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54495	From: rfalzini	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54496	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54497	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54498	From: zdava	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54499	From: zdava	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54500	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54501	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54502	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54503	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54504	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54505	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54506	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54507	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54508	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54509	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/24/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54510	From: tobitoys	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Hi I'm New to this Group!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54511	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54512	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54513	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: EP-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54514	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54515	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Will we do with less?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54516	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54517	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Still more S items for sale - updated list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54518	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Here a pig; there a pig...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54519	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54520	From: John	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54521	From: Ray	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Help finding a value for a train collection?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54522	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/24/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54523	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Photos Albums Moved to MyFlyerTrains.org 6, remaining 35?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54524	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Help finding a value for a train collection?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54525	From: michael prell	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54526	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Still more S items for sale - updated list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54527	From: John	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54528	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54529	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Flyer 354 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54530	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Memorial Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54531	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Photos Albums Moved to MyFlyerTrains.org 6, remaining 35?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54532	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54533	From: Paul Breault	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Will we do with less?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54534	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54535	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: A little Smoke And NO Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54536	From: momhondo	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Lionel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54537	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54538	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: SHS YouTube Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54539	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54540	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54541	From: george leidinger	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: EP-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54542	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: SHS YouTube Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54543	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54544	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: My take on used toy train prices...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54545	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54546	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54547	From: michael prell	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: SHS YouTube Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54548	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54549	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54550	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54551	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54552	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: My take on used toy train prices...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54553	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54554	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54555	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54556	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54557	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54558	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54559	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54560	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54561	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54562	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Walthers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54563	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Backstop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54564	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54565	From: John	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54566	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Concrete Floor Pad for Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54567	From: Ed	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54568	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54569	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54570	From: michael prell	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54571	From: John	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Realistic Model Railroad Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54572	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54573	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54574	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: S scale Organ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54575	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54576	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54577	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My take on used toy train prices...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54578	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54579	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: MORE "S"CRAPS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54580	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54581	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54582	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54583	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54584	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54585	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54586	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54587	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54588	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54589	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54590	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54591	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54592	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54593	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54594	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54595	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54596	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54597	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54598	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54599	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54600	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54601	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54602	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54603	From: biglou2_99	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54604	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54605	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54606	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54607	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54608	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54609	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54610	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54611	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54612	From: muniman18	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: 342 PX ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54613	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54614	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54615	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54616	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54617	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54618	From: Phil K	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54619	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Electronic Whistle Controller rebuilt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54620	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: I need a tender for a 302 with a link coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54621	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54622	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54623	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54624	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54625	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54626	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54627	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54628	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54629	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: speaking of 0-8-0s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54630	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54631	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54632	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54633	From: dphobbies	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: New S Scale Boxcars Shipped - Finally
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54634	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54635	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54636	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54637	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: I need a tender for a 302 with a link coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54638	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: The Cost of Our Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54639	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54640	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54641	From: rfalzini	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54642	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: 1957 (?) A/F boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54643	From: innotron	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54644	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Imagine if...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54645	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Chuck Smith email address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54646	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54647	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54648	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54649	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: The Cost of Our Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54650	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54651	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54652	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54653	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54654	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54655	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54656	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54657	From: The LANIERs	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54658	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: 1957 (?) A/F boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54659	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54660	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54661	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54662	From: Jim King	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Western North Carolina hobby shop stocking S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54663	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Open Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54664	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: A Funny thing happened with my For Sale list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54665	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Bat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54666	From: Gerald Booker	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54667	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54668	From: G C	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54669	From: G C	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54670	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54671	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54672	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is? OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54673	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54674	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54675	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54676	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54677	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Open Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54678	From: Keith O	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54679	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54680	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54681	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54682	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/31/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54683	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54684	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54685	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54686	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54687	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54688	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54689	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Tom Snyder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54690	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54691	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54692	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54693	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54694	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54695	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54696	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54697	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54698	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54699	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54700	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54701	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/31/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54702	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54703	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54704	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54705	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54706	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54707	From: jim_alessio	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54708	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54709	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54710	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54711	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: when making the pilgrimage to Erector Square
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54712	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54713	From: Paul Limone	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: when making the pilgrimage to Erector Square
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54714	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: when making the pilgrimage to Erector Square
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54715	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54716	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up? OOOPS!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54717	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Powerpacks and transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54718	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Powerpacks and transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54719	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54720	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Powerpacks and transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54721	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54722	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: S-helper presentation at NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54723	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54724	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54725	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54726	From: Keith O	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54727	From: Phil K	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54728	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54729	From: zdava	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: how do I replace traction tires on 50's AF diesel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54730	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54731	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54732	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: how do I replace traction tires on 50's AF diesel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54733	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54734	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54735	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54736	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Parts & Service Book for Gilbert American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54737	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54738	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54739	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54740	From: herbw202	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54742	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54743	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54744	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54745	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54746	From: John	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54747	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54748	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: how do I replace traction tires on 50's AF diesel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54749	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54750	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54751	From: herbw202	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54752	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54753	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: AF-343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54754	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54755	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54756	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: SHS "This week in 'S'...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54757	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54758	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Mini-craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54759	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54760	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: RUNNING DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54761	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54762	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54763	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Running DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54764	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54765	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Running DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54766	From: Jim King	Date: 6/5/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner - LAST CALL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54767	From: ehsauers1	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Possible FM H10-44 Diesel Switcher Kit to be available in Hi-RAIL ve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54768	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: SMMW Models For Sale - S SCALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54769	From: downtowndeco	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Potential new Downtown Deco S Scale kit put on hold.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54770	From: Jim King	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: 70-ton GE sold out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54771	From: jameswomble11	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: New EP=5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54772	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/7/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54773	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54774	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: MOW crew at work!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54775	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54776	From: Mark Hoffman	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54777	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54778	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54779	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54780	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54781	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: 332 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54782	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54783	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Collectibility and value (was: Ebay 332)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54784	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54785	From: Grant	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Ronald Reagan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54786	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/7/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54787	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54788	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54789	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54790	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54791	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Collectibility and value (was: Ebay 332)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54792	From: albaker33@comcast.net	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54793	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: What Downtown Deco S Scale Kit Might Sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54794	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54795	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: 2010 Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54796	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54797	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Some Flyer stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54798	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: S Gauge People Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54799	From: William Porter	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: The New ZOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54800	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: S Gauge figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54801	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge People Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54802	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: walking breakman box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54803	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54804	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54805	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54806	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54807	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: speaking of collections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54808	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54809	From: michael prell	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54810	From: michael prell	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54811	From: michael prell	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54812	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54813	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54814	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54815	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54816	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54817	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54818	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54819	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54820	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54821	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Value of 375.... Black shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54822	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54823	From: jfred436@yahoo.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Donations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54824	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54825	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54826	From: A E Johnson	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: The New ZOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54827	From: uvl97222	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54828	From: Bill Lohr	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Bigboy American flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54829	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Donations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54830	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Value of 375.... Black shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54831	From: ehsauers1	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 Update 6/10/09
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54832	From: Robert Board	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54833	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54834	From: A E Johnson	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54835	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Value of 375.... Black shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54836	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54837	From: race944t	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Museum donation that will be used & viewed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54838	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54839	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54840	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: 21140/21130 comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54841	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Donations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54842	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54843	From: mikenguy9@yahoo.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54844	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54845	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54846	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54847	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54848	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone (was) S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54849	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54850	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54851	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone (was) S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54852	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: The New ZOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54853	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone (was) S-GAUGIAN magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54854	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54855	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54856	From: G C	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54857	From: herbw202	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54858	From: John Metzger	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54859	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Donations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54860	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit Bell ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54861	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: AF-343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54862	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit Bell ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54863	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF-343
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54864	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54865	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF-343 PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54866	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54867	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54868	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54869	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54870	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Value of 375.... Black shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54871	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: 21140/21130 comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54872	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54873	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Port Lines new reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54874	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54875	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: 343 UNDER $250
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54876	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Port Lines new reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54877	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: adding on more items to an existing production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54878	From: ecphora123	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Purchasing S Gaugian in PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54879	From: A E Johnson	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: adding on more items to an existing production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54880	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54881	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purchasing S Gaugian in PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54882	From: Rhett George	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54883	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54884	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54885	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54886	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54887	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: MOXIE cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54888	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: HOT running engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54889	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54890	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54891	From: John	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: HOT running engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54892	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54893	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54894	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54895	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Is there life after Big Boy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54896	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: HOT running engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54897	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54898	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: MOXIE cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54899	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: I am upset!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54900	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: I am upset!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54901	From: ehsauers1	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: FM H10-44 Update 6/13/09 **** A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT NEEDED ***
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54902	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: I am upset!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54903	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/14/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54904	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Under Construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54905	From: ron plyler	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54906	From: michael prell	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: I am upset!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54907	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: Wife and trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54908	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54909	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54910	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54911	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54912	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54913	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54914	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54915	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54916	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54917	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54918	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54919	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54920	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54921	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54922	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54923	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/14/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54924	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54925	From: jcolonbc	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: 758a sam the semaphore man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54926	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: 758a sam the semaphore man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54927	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: Under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54928	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54929	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54930	From: Jim King	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Smoky Mtn kits going to "limited run"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54931	From: john davis	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: MRC Symphony 77
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54932	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: S Helper Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54933	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54934	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54935	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: For sale: Gilbert 96x orange and chestnut streamliners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54936	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54937	From: Christopher Burger	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54938	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54939	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: American Models Random Bell and Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54940	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: running trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54941	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Random Bell and Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54942	From: musc92	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Random Bell and Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54943	From: Jim King	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: B&O M53 wagontop reservations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54944	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: American Models Random Bell and Whistle - Solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54945	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/17/2009
Subject: American Flyer stock yard cows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54946	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54947	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Special 1:64 Modeling Guide Back Issue Sale Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54948	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54949	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54950	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54951	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: Special 1:64 Modeling Guide Back Issue Sale Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54952	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54953	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Unusual Train Race
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54954	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: 742 Handcar Overhaul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54955	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: 742 Handcar Overhaul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54956	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: 742 Handcar Overhaul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54957	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: 742 Handcar Overhaul - Answered
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54958	From: Jim King	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonners all shipped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54959	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: S Helper Switches.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54960	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Switches.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54961	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54962	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54963	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54964	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54965	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54966	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54967	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54968	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Unusual train race
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54969	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54970	From: Phil K	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54971	From: alansherryb	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54972	From: mengled	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54973	From: mengled	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: American Flyer 20615 Insert for a C-8 Set Box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54974	From: Ron Morris	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual train race
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54975	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54976	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/21/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54977	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Rick Johnson rides again!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54978	From: John	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Parts for the Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54979	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54980	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54981	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54982	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54983	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54984	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54985	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/21/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54986	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54987	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: OMS sound controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54988	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54989	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: Build Your Own Sound Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54990	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54991	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54992	From: John	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54993	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54994	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Build Your Own Sound Contoller - New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54995	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54996	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Contoller - New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54997	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Atlas Atlantic Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54998	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 54999	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55000	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion for scale and Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55001	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55002	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55003	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55004	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55005	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55006	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55007	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Atlas Atlantic conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55008	From: texasgunslinger44	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55009	From: michael prell	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55010	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: AM Pacific Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55011	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55012	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55013	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55014	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: (21)234 C&O Geep Base painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55015	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55016	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55017	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55018	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55019	From: michael prell	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55020	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55021	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55022	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55023	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55024	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55025	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55026	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55027	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Lots of rolling stock and locomotives for sale, HI Rail and Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55028	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: S Bumpers For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55029	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] OMS sound controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55030	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55031	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Lots of rolling stock and locomotives for sale, HI Rail and Scal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55032	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55033	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55034	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Clayton please contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55035	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55036	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: RE-SEND ROLLING STOCK AND LOCOMOTIVES FOR SALE-CORRECTED FORMAT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55037	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55038	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55039	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55040	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55041	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Rubber Gauging...Again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55042	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: Re: Clayton please contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55043	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55044	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: FW: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55045	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/28/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55046	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/28/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55047	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/28/2009
Subject: Three collections for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55048	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Great starter set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55049	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: E-bay and "vttrainguy"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55050	From: downtowndeco	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Ever wanted to be a kit manufacturer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55051	From: preardon4girls	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55052	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55053	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55054	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55055	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55056	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55057	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55058	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55059	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55060	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55061	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55062	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55063	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Fw: Notification of Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55064	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55065	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55066	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: BULLFROG SNOT LINK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55067	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55068	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55069	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55070	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55071	From: lember2004	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: removing eyelets from trucks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55072	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55073	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: removing eyelets from trucks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55075	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: American Flyer items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55076	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55077	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55078	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55079	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55080	From: Donald Mengle	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Replacement Horn for 21207
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55081	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Replacement Horn for 21207
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55082	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: This week at SHS...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55083	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55084	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55085	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55086	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55087	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55088	From: Rosie	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55089	From: Donald Mengle	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Roof horn for 21207 F-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55090	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55091	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: BHOX CAR WILLIE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55092	From: michael prell	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: A Safe and Meaningful Forth!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55093	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Nickel Plate Road 765
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55094	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: BHOX CAR WILLIE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55095	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Vintage Rails magazine (blatant commercialism)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55096	From: rapidrail1	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: New Christmas Train photos posted.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55097	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55098	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: I just posted some photos of a repair on a 346 o-8-o
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55099	From: Al	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: WANTED: 6-wheel link and knuckle coupler trucks needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55100	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: A Safe and Meaningful Fourth!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55101	From: texasgunslinger44	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55102	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: BAR MILLS!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55103	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55104	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: safe switching between AC & DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55105	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: I just posted some photos of a repair on a 346 o-8-o
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55106	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55107	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: No 15 Directronic Rectifier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55108	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55109	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: No 15 Directronic Rectifier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55110	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55111	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55112	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/5/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55113	From: Rosie	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55114	From: herbw202	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Manual
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55115	From: John	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55116	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55117	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55118	From: not2lance	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55119	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55120	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55121	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55122	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Murray Railway Modellers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55123	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Murray Railway Modellers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55124	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55125	From: ai2q	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Train in a tornado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55126	From: Don	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55127	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55128	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: 4 wheel S trucks for sale & 3/16s O wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55129	From: michael prell	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: BAR MILLS!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55130	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55131	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55132	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55133	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/5/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55134	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55135	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55136	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55137	From: lember2004	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Answers Re: removing eyelets from trucks question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55138	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55139	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55140	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55141	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55142	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55143	From: huber25@att.net	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55144	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: 2009 NASG Convention in St Louis........It's not too late to registe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55145	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Thanks, Chuck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55146	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55147	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: removing eyelets from trucks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55148	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 NASG Convention in St Louis........It's not too late to reg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55149	From: race944t	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: 481 wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55150	From: race944t	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: AF Service Manual differences
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55151	From: ken garber	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} RE: [S-Trains] 2009 NASG Convention in St Louis..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55155	From: Phil K	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Wal*Mart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55156	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55157	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55158	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: removing eyelets from trucks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55159	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: 752 SEABOARD COALER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55160	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: 481 wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55161	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55162	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55163	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55164	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: smoking engines wanted i.e. 302 & 290 link coupllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55165	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Re: smoking engines wanted i.e. 302 & 290 link coupllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55166	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Buzzing from engines with a horn or air-chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55167	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Re: Buzzing from engines with a horn or air-chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55168	From: Christopher Burger	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: WALMART
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55169	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: AF Service Manual
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55170	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF Service Manual differences
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55171	From: ham_45242	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55172	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: Buzzing from engines with a horn or air-chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55173	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55174	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55175	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55176	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55177	From: Jim King	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: B&O wagontop box reservation payment due soon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55178	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: The Fugitive Flash back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55179	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: AF gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55180	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Great starter set for sale - engine runs well!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55181	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Fw: Some Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55182	From: ham_45242	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55183	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55184	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Royal Blue/Silver Buttet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55185	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55186	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Tavern update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55187	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55188	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55189	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55190	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: The Fugitive Flash back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55191	From: jeffcenrr	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Bob Jackson St. Louis Convention images
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55192	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55193	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55194	From: Jim King	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: B&O wagontop order payment update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55195	From: jim patterson	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55196	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Flash back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55197	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55198	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show this weekend - Hartford, CT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55199	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55200	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55201	From: John	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55202	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55203	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55204	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55205	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55206	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show 2009 - Hartford, CT Friday update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55207	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55208	From: Ben Serzo	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55209	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55210	From: Roger Huber	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55211	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55212	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55213	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55214	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55215	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55216	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: AF gp7 370 follow up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55217	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55218	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: PAUL YORKES WEB SITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55219	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370 follow up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55220	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: PAUL YORKES WEB SITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55221	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55222	From: jhl1963	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: FS 7 Lionel Reissue Accessories NIB for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55223	From: Jim King	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: 50 ft PS1 box kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55224	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Miller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55225	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: af gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55226	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55227	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Truly A Tragedy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55228	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55229	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: af gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55230	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55231	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55232	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55233	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55234	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55235	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: af gp7 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55236	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/12/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55237	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy-Consider the engineer and crew, and passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55238	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: FS 7 Lionel Reissue Accessories NIB for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55239	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: #49813 Baggage Smasher, Lionel's remake of the #789
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55240	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: #49813 Baggage Smasher, Lionel's remake of the #789
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55241	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Paul Yorke's Train Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55242	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show this weekend - Hartford, CT - Friday Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55243	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy-Consider the engineer and crew, and passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55244	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55245	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy-Consider the engineer and crew, and passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55246	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: 50 ft PS1 box kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55247	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show this weekend - Hartford, CT - Friday Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55248	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/12/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55249	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Is there an 0 train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55250	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Is there an 0 train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Richard Kimball, MD.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55252	From: zdava	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55253	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Is there an 0 train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55254	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Handrail location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55255	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55256	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55257	From: michael prell	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55258	From: george leidinger	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55259	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55260	From: zdava	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55261	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55262	From: Jim King	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: 50 ft PS1 box kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55263	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55264	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55265	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55266	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55267	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Search Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55268	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55269	From: John Sage	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55270	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55271	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55272	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Train Puzzle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55273	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55274	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55275	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55276	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55277	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55278	From: The Reardon's	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55279	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: SHS promotions - Robin's Summer Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55280	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55281	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55282	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55283	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Toy Repair Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55284	From: herbw202	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55285	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55286	From: michael prell	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55287	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55288	From: michael prell	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Repair Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55289	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Repair Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55290	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55291	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55292	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Repair Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55293	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Tavern Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55294	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55295	From: michael prell	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55296	From: jhl1963	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: FS: S-trax - siding, switch, controller, bumpers 25+ pieces of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55297	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55298	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: 752 SEABOARD COALER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55299	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Toy Train Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55300	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: UP dummy unit for the 372 Geep?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55301	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: UP dummy unit for the 372 Geep?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55302	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55303	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: New ZOT Backdrop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55304	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: UP dummy unit for the 372 Geep?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55305	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: New ZOT Backdrop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55306	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55307	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55308	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Fwd: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55310	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55311	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55312	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55313	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55314	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55315	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55316	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: New ZOT Backdrop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55317	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55318	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Viking Wood Crafts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55319	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55320	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55321	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism...Robin's Summer Sale Part 2!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55322	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: "S" Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55323	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55324	From: lember2004	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: train room lighting to avoid fading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55325	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: train room lighting to avoid fading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55326	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: train room lighting to avoid fading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55327	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55328	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Latest Tavern Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55329	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55330	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55331	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55332	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55333	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55334	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55335	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: train room lighting to avoid fading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55336	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55337	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55338	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55339	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55340	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55341	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55342	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55343	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55344	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55345	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55346	From: lember2004	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System: plexiglass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55347	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55348	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55349	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55350	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: AF Steamers that smoked--on purpose!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55351	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: IMPORTANT NEWS ON UPCOMING 2009 NASG CONVENTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55352	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: AF Steamers that smoked--on purpose!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55353	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System: plexiglass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55355	From: The LANIERs	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55356	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Photos loaded to group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Here's some Free-Stuff for Members to Share!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55358	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55359	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Walter is gone... off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55360	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55361	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Pics & e-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55362	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55363	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55364	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pics & e-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55365	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55366	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/19/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55367	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pics & e-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55368	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55369	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55370	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Walter is gone...There is actually a train connection...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55371	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Photos & email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55372	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Latest Project AM Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: SHS stuff - Robin's summer part 3 - 00465 Flex Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55374	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55375	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55376	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55377	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/19/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55378	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55379	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55380	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55381	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55382	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55383	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55384	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55385	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55386	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55387	From: rpuls3	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55388	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55389	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55390	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55391	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Handrail Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55392	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 4!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55393	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55394	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55395	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55396	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55397	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55398	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55399	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55400	From: cornwall9	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Question about an ebay posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55401	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55402	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55403	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55404	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Question about an ebay posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55405	From: Ed	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55406	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55407	From: Gregg	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: 754 Double Trestle Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55408	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: 754 Double Trestle Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55409	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55410	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" - not!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55411	From: rpuls3	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55412	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Tavern Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55413	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55414	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" - not!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55415	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55416	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: YouTube, O ga. Trainland USA in Iowa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55417	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55418	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 5!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55419	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Dispatch back issue requests
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55420	From: william cole	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" - not!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55421	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Bigger is not necessarily better
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55422	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Benefits of Being in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55423	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Tavern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55424	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Public Service Announcement (kind of)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55425	From: daysend40	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Great Northern Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55426	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: incandescent bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55427	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55428	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55429	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55430	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: GE Plant News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55431	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Incandescent Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55432	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: tavern update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55433	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Fw: tavern update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55434	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55435	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Great Northern Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55436	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55437	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55438	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 6!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55439	From: lember2004	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs - "long life"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55440	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs - "long life"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55441	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/26/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55442	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: All S people both AF/Hi-Rail and Scale need:AF die-cast Atlantic fr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55443	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: All S people both AF/Hi-Rail and Scale need:AF die-cast Atlanti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55444	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55445	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55446	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55447	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55448	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55449	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55450	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55451	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55452	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/26/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55453	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55454	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: S-Gaugers Open House - Bring Your Trains To Run On Aug. 22 (So. Cali
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55455	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55456	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55457	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Layout Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55458	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55459	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: For Sate: K771 Stockyard and more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55460	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55461	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 7!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55462	From: Greg Klein	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Baltimore Greenberg Show - Aug 1 & 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55463	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55464	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55465	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Sunday in Hamburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55466	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Tavern Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55467	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55468	From: innotron	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55469	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55470	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55471	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: E-Bay Problems resolved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55472	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55473	From: hjsheffield	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Bus Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55474	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Fw: Tavern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55475	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Decoder Advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55476	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55477	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55478	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Bus Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55479	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55480	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Train Show Concept
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55482	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55483	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Concept
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55484	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55485	From: cornwall9	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Loksound Sound Decoder assistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55486	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Decoder Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55487	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55488	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55489	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55490	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55491	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55492	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55493	From: DonaldJoAnne Mengle	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55494	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55495	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55496	From: DonaldJoAnne Mengle	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55497	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Robin's Summer Sale Part 8!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55498	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55499	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55500	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55501	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55502	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55503	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55504	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55505	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55506	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55507	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55508	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55509	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: EXCITEMENT IS BUILDING RE THE NASG 2009 CONVENTION IN ST LOUIS-READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55510	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Oops on NASG Order Form attachment!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55511	From: uvl97222	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55512	From: richs009	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55513	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Model train fair cancelled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55514	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55515	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55516	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55517	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55518	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55519	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55520	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55521	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/2/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55522	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55523	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55524	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55525	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55526	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55527	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55528	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55529	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55530	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55531	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55532	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/2/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55534	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Cass Scenic RR video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55535	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55536	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55537	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cass Scenic RR video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55538	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55539	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55540	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55541	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55542	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: S Fest Passenger Cars for sale. - Pre-convention sale offering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55543	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: California Zephyr Passenger Cars for sale. - Pre-convention sale o
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55544	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55545	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55546	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: AM Smooth sided Pass Set - NP-NORTH COAST DAYLIGHT - pre conv offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55547	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55548	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Flyonel Heavhyweight Pass Cars - UP and Pennsy - Pre-convention Pr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55549	From: Rashied Jibri	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: FW: S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55550	From: william cole	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Re: FW: S scale m(Downtown deco)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55551	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Re: SHS commercialism, this week at SHS...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55552	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: -Video: DCC-BitSwitch Overview by Fred Hughes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55553	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: tavern is done
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55554	From: william cole	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: Re: tavern is done
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55555	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: Tavern legal Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55556	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: tavern is done
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55557	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55558	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: LOT"S" of "S" for "S"ale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55559	From: Jim King	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: B&O M53/M53A kit design changes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55560	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: B&O M53/M53A kit design changes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55561	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55562	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55563	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55564	From: michael prell	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55565	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55566	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55567	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55568	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: New Cars...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55569	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55570	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55571	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/9/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55572	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55573	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55574	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55575	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55576	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55577	From: uvl97222	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55578	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/9/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55579	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55580	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55581	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Youtube Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55582	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55583	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55584	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55585	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55586	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55587	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Hallmark Harley Davidson motorcycle ornament
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55588	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55589	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55590	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55591	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Summer, 2009 1:64MG Issue Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55592	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: 346 Rare ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55593	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: It's Alive!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55594	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55595	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55596	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: AF Lionel Track gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55597	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55598	From: beebear	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55600	From: michael prell	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55601	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55602	From: michael prell	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55603	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: 346 variations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55604	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55605	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55606	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55607	From: beebear	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55608	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55609	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55610	From: Ed	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55611	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55612	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55613	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55614	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55615	From: william cole	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55616	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55617	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55618	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55619	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55620	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55621	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55622	From: beebear	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: PDF magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55623	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55624	From: lember2004	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: 4-wire controller button purpose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55625	From: lember2004	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: 2010 Flyer Fest West dates?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55626	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55627	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55628	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Curved turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55629	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55630	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55631	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55632	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55633	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55634	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: Curved turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55635	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55636	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55637	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55638	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55639	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55640	From: barb	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4561
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55641	From: william cole	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55642	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55643	From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Trade undec SW-9 for
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55644	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55645	From: John	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55646	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55647	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Plasticville Upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55648	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Plasticville upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55649	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4561
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55650	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55651	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55652	From: cornwall9	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: American Flyer 720A Switch repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55653	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55654	From: Alan	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55655	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 720A Switch repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55656	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55657	From: zdava	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Another video of my AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55658	From: lember2004	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: answers to: halogen lights & UV fading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55659	From: lember2004	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: dummy PA shell on 2 motor PA frame?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55660	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 720A Switch repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55661	From: lember2004	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: thanks for answers to "4-wire controller button purpose?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55662	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: dummy PA shell on 2 motor PA frame?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55663	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55664	From: Glenn	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: GREENBERG SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55665	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Plasticville Upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55666	From: Alan	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55667	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55668	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55669	From: Alan	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55670	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55671	From: wisner_mark	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55672	From: lember2004	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Doug Peck's reply to "dummy PA shell on 2 motor PA frame?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55673	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55674	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55675	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55676	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55677	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55678	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Plasticville Upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55679	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Breaking New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55680	From: ajbird	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55681	From: majordadsage	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55682	From: Paul	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55683	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/16/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55684	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55685	From: michael prell	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55686	From: wisner_mark	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55687	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55688	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55689	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55690	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55691	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55693	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55694	From: af2rail	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55695	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55696	From: ecphora123	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Mike's Barn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55697	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Track cleaning car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55698	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/16/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55699	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Mike's Barn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55700	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Phone booths
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55701	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Video - My Original AF Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55702	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Phone booths
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55703	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Video - My Original AF Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55704	From: len_hall	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Las Vegas Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55705	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Video - My Original AF Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55706	From: rdgroup427	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55707	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: S-Ring - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55708	From: rj4010d	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55709	From: Phil Edgley	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55710	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55711	From: Robert Conner	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55712	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Speaker for a Gilbert 481 Silver Flash PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55713	From: barb	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4574
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55714	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55715	From: michael prell	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55716	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S-Ring - Going away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55717	From: michael prell	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55718	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: How To Solder Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55719	From: Mellon, Jay	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Report on 2009 NASG Convention in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55720	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55721	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55722	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55723	From: af2rail	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55724	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55725	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55726	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: How To Recover Lost Train Files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55727	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Gilbert brake wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55728	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55729	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Pinhead Baseball
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55730	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55731	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55732	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Final S-Ring members - Please bookmark
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55733	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gilbert brake wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55734	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Pinhead Baseball
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55735	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55736	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pinhead Baseball
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55737	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55738	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Speaker for a Gilbert 481 Silver Flash PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55739	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55740	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55741	From: herbw202	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55742	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Phone Booths in Barns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55743	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Phone Booths in Barns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55744	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: GG1 For Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55745	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55746	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: My Train Station Source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55747	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Phones and cameras
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55748	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Phone Booths in Barns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55749	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55750	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: For trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55751	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Don't Hit Me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55752	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55753	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55754	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: GG1 For Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55755	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55756	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55757	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Plasticville Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55758	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: The signing Of Mosquito Rodriquez
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55759	From: traintracks01	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: For Sale S items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55760	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/23/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55761	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55762	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55763	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55764	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: latest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55765	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55766	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55767	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55768	From: michael prell	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55769	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55770	From: kenvendlinger	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55771	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55772	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55773	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55774	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55775	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55776	From: michael prell	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/23/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55778	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: In Appreciation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55779	From: Scott	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: In Appreciation... just wondering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55780	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Great Big Sea and Model Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55781	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55782	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Beer Train Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55783	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Beer Train Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55784	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55785	From: willisbd	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: PDF Magazines - Another Option
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55786	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Train Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55787	From: michael prell	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: In Appreciation... just wondering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55788	From: jim_marski	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Layouts wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55789	From: Thomas Kaufman	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Can Motors electronic reverser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55790	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55791	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Can Motors electronic reverser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55792	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55793	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: "S"uper Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55794	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Can Motors electronic reverser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55795	From: michael prell	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: latest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55796	From: michael prell	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: "S"uper Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55797	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55798	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55799	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers open house videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55800	From: poniaj	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: "S"uper Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55801	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: "S"uper Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55802	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers open house videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55803	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers open house videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55804	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Frsoty Bar is Closed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55805	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Frosty Bar Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55806	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55807	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55808	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55809	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55810	From: kenvendlinger	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55811	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55812	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55813	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Vote for S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55814	From: michael prell	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55815	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55816	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Fw: Smoke Generator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55817	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55818	From: michael prell	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55819	From: michael prell	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55820	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55821	From: wisner_mark	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Tender truck rebuilt.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55822	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55823	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55824	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55825	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuild.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55826	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55827	From: jcolonbc	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55828	From: michael prell	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55829	From: michael prell	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55830	From: royhoffman	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55831	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55832	From: michael prell	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55833	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55834	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55835	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55836	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55837	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55838	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: hobby visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55839	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55840	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55841	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55842	From: jcolonbc	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55843	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55844	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: hobby visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55845	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55846	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: S-Helper Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55847	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55848	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55849	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55850	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55851	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Vote for S Gauge! We're ahead!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55852	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55853	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55854	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge! We're ahead!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55855	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: hobby visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55856	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Linda Co-Workers Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55857	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: hobby visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55858	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55859	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Disaster At S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55860	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55861	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55862	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55863	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Disaster At S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55864	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Disaster At S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55865	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55866	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55867	From: barb	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4584
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55868	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Playboy and Model Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55869	From: michael prell	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55870	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55871	From: Arthur Ferguson	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Kaddee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55872	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: There would be something huge and signigicant missing in my life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55873	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55874	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Playboy and Model Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55875	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Playboy and Model Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55876	From: Robert Conner	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Barbs Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55877	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55878	From: michael prell	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Playboy and Model Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55879	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55880	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55881	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/30/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55882	From: traintracks01	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: S items for sale 8/29/2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55883	From: michael prell	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55885	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55886	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Playboy and Model Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55887	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55888	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55889	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55890	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55891	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55892	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Wish for this building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55893	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55894	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: CTT and Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55895	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/30/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55896	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55897	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: S items for sale 8/29/2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55898	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55899	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55900	From: bstilesaf	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: The price of ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55901	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: The price of ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55902	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55903	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55904	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55905	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55906	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55907	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: The price of ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55908	From: workinalure	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55909	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: WINNER FALL 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55910	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55911	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Painting Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55912	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Painting Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55913	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55914	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55915	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55916	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: WINNER FALL 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55917	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55918	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55919	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55920	From: workinalure	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55921	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Hallmark's 1942 Harley-Davidson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55922	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55923	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: WINNER FALL 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55924	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4584
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55925	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4584
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55926	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55927	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55928	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55929	From: workinalure	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55930	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: American Models Empire Express Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55931	From: Jim King	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: B&O M53/M53A wagontop box status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55932	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55933	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55934	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55935	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55936	From: alanlambert2006	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55937	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Full Scale Box Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55938	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Full Scale Box Cras
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55939	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Full Scale Box Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55940	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55941	From: pompeiijazz98	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Full Scale Box Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55942	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55943	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Fw: Latest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55944	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: New Photo Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55945	From: william cole	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Full Scale Box Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55946	From: michael prell	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55947	From: michael prell	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55948	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Fest Car For Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55949	From: Michael Rector	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55950	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55951	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55952	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55954	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted CORRECTION!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55955	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55956	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: All New Photos Posted To .......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55957	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted CORRECTION!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55958	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55959	From: srgriggs	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: News on Big Boy shipping date?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55960	From: portlines	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55961	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55962	From: innotron	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Labor Day Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55963	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55964	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55965	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55966	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: 8 X 12 layout ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55967	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: New and improved Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55968	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55969	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get-Together September 20th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55970	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Re: 8 X 12 layout ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55971	From: herbw202	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get-Together September 20th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [coTowpath] How lucky are we?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55973	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: On its way
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55974	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: San Diego, CA Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55975	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: FNF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55976	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55977	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Smoke Generator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55978	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55979	From: innotron	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55980	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Fw: Plasticvile Makes The Big Time!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55981	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Summer 2009 Update...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55982	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Fw: Zippy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55983	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/6/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55984	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Lot"S" more "S" for "S"ale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55986	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Fw: Plasticvile Makes The Big Time!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55987	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/6/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55988	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Rare PENN Budds For Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55989	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Fw: Permission to post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55991	From: cornwall9	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55992	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55993	From: portlines	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55994	From: portlines	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55996	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55997	From: Alan Evans	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Let's move on beyond the Mountain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55998	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 55999	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56000	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56001	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56002	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: track cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56003	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56004	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56005	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56006	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56007	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56008	From: Paul	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56009	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56010	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56011	From: portlines	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56012	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56013	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Smoke Generator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56014	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56015	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Big Boy Delayed again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56016	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56017	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56018	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56019	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56020	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56021	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Generator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56022	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Generator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56023	From: Bob Groh	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56024	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56025	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56026	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56027	From: The Laniers	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56028	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56029	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56030	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56031	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56032	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56033	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56034	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Link coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56035	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Spooky Train...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56036	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56037	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56038	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56039	From: uvl97222	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: New photos of the rim repair for the 310
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56040	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56041	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56042	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56043	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56044	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56045	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56046	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56047	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56048	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56049	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Idaho Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56050	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56051	From: michael prell	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56052	From: portlines	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56053	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: PRR (R.E.A.) Photo - NEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56054	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56055	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56056	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: PRR (R.E.A.) Photo - NEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56057	From: portlines	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56058	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56059	From: Jim V	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56060	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: S Scale Pigeons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56061	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56062	From: portlines	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56063	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56064	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56065	From: The Reardon's	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56066	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56067	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56068	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56069	From: Jim V	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56070	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56071	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56072	From: kc6ktj	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Convention Car's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56073	From: michael prell	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56074	From: michael prell	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56075	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: PRR (R.E.A.) Photo - NEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56076	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56077	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: 2009 AF, Fall catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56078	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convention Car's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56079	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56080	From: Glenn	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56081	From: jvmandell	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 11TH 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56082	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56083	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convention Car's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56084	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Instrument House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56085	From: rj4010d	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: S Gauge on You Tube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56086	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56087	From: jim patterson	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convention Car's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56088	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Calendar reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56089	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: FREE DECALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56090	From: Mike Vana	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Beer cars, and converting link coupler equipment to knuckle coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56091	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56092	From: Ed	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer cars, and converting link coupler equipment to knuckle coup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56093	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer cars, and converting link coupler equipment to knuckle coup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56094	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer cars,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56095	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56096	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56097	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/13/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56098	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56099	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Robin Hood Beer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56101	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Bus Train Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56102	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: link couolers: disturbingly S-centric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56103	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Wienermobile Train Video Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56104	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56105	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Robin Hood Beer decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56106	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer artwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56107	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: link couolers: disturbingly S-centric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56108	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: ebay item #120467046707
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56109	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56110	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Central Railway Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56111	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer artwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56112	From: robertyablonski	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Club, Orange County
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56113	From: len_hall	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56114	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56115	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: #4657 Robin Hood Beer decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56116	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer artwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56117	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56118	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: link couplers: disturbingly S-centric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56119	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/13/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56120	From: Robert Boring	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56121	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56122	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56123	From: richs009	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56124	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56125	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56126	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56127	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: ebay item #120467046707
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56128	From: michael prell	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56129	From: beebear	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56130	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56131	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56132	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56133	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56134	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56135	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56136	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: York, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56137	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Club, Orange County
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56138	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56139	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56140	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56141	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56142	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56143	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: eBay butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56144	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56145	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56146	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: LC Variations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56147	From: portlines	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56148	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56149	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56150	From: lbdrummer3	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Rolling stock craftsman kit plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56151	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56152	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56153	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56154	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56155	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56156	From: Tim Benner	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge on You Tube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56157	From: michael prell	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56158	From: michael prell	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56159	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56160	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Pile driver
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56161	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56162	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56163	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56164	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56165	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: HOLD for ADVICE - Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56166	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56167	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: MOre on the 310 locomotive disassembly and cleaning and a few questi
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56168	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56169	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56170	From: michael prell	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Pile driver
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56171	From: michael prell	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56172	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56173	From: rep928	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56174	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56175	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56176	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56177	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56178	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56179	From: portlines	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56180	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: TCA S Gauge Convention Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56181	From: portlines	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56182	From: Coopers	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56183	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56184	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56185	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and thos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56186	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: MOre on the 310 locomotive disassembly and cleaning and a few qu
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56187	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: #293 White Stripes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56188	From: Johntech	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56189	From: portlines	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: Re: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56190	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: Back to Trains Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56191	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: 310 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56192	From: amflyer336	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: TCA S Gauge Convention Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56193	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Catalog Art Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56194	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56195	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: "TrainMinder"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56196	From: michael prell	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: Back to Trains Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56197	From: crcsdiv	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: RIVER RAISIN BRASS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56198	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: TCA S Gauge Convention Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56199	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56200	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: #21165 Window Inserts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56201	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56202	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Problem uploading photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56203	From: rep928	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56204	From: David	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Robin Hood Beer Reefer Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56205	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Fw: S gauge Arizona Convention Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56206	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56207	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Ensure Good Communication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56208	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Thank You: "Software Package for Inventory Control" Responses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56209	From: David	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: CHANGE: Robin Hood Beer Decal Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56210	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: "TrainMinder"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56211	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56212	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56213	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uploading photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56214	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56215	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56216	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56217	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer Reefer Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56218	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Spray Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56219	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Spray Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56220	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Ensure Good Communication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56221	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Ensure Good Communication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56222	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56223	From: Herbert	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Catalog Art Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56224	From: David White	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56225	From: michael prell	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Catalog Art Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56226	From: michael prell	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Catalog Art Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56227	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: NASG Brick Building...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56228	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Calendar reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56229	From: michael prell	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56230	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Problem uploading photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56231	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56232	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56233	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56234	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/20/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56235	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: 20 gauge stranded wire..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56236	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Wheel Bearing Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56237	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Floquil Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56238	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56239	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56240	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56241	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56242	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56243	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56244	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ensure Good Communication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56245	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: "TrainMinder"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56246	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56247	From: michael prell	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56248	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56249	From: A E Johnson	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56250	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Floquil paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Paint conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56252	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56253	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56254	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Wheel Bearing Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56255	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Wheel Bearing Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56256	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56257	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56258	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/20/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56259	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: "TrainMinder"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56260	From: Nick	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56261	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56262	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56263	From: Bill	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Paint conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56264	From: seg60133	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56265	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Paint conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56266	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Paint conclusion/Floquil paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56267	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56268	From: michael prell	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56269	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Zippy Print
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56270	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Message Archives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56271	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: Message Archives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56272	From: michael prell	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56273	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: old/new bilboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56274	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem, repeat request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56275	From: Ed	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: Message Archives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56276	From: portlines	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56277	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: More Layout Videos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56278	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: FYI: Fixing AF track switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56279	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56280	From: portlines	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56281	From: clheistand	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56282	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: A/F E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56283	From: portlines	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56284	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56285	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56286	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56287	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: A/F E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56288	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56289	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56290	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56291	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Replacing windows in Mini-craft buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56292	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Re: Replacing windows in Mini-craft buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56293	From: Jack	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: AF REPRO TRUCKS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56294	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Bullsheet Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56296	From: portlines	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF REPRO TRUCKS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56297	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Repairing 21160 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56298	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56299	From: mikenguy9	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Flyer couplers parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56300	From: portlines	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer couplers parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56301	From: The Laniers	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56302	From: portlines	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56303	From: The Laniers	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56304	From: Jerry	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56305	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56306	From: rep928	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Pacific trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56307	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Bug remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56308	From: portlines	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56309	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56310	From: Jerry	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56311	From: David	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: #916 Canister Decal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56312	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: #916 Canister Decal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56313	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pacific trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56314	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: #916 Canister Decal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56315	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56316	From: race944t	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56317	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56318	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56319	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56320	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56321	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Decals.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56322	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Fw: Paint issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56323	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pacific trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56324	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56325	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56326	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: 295 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56327	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: #916 Canister Decal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56328	From: portlines	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Decals.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56329	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Paint Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56330	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56331	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Decals.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56332	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Paint issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56333	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 295 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56334	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56335	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Decals.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56336	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Paint issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56337	From: David	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: #21162 PRESTONE Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56339	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56340	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56341	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56342	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 21160 screw post repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56343	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 295 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56344	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 295 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56345	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56346	From: Johntech	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Boxes for the AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56347	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56348	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56349	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56350	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Testors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56351	From: traintracks01	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: For Sale - New American Flyer S Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56352	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56353	From: clayton	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Where can I fined the link to...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56354	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Train Show in Maumee Ohio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: PHOTS LINK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56356	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Scale Gas pumps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56357	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: PHOTS LINK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56358	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/27/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56359	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: Scale Gas pumps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56360	From: portlines	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: Scale Gas pumps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56361	From: afjerryk5	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: BBs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56363	From: David	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: #21163 PRESTONE Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56364	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Scale Gas pumps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56365	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/27/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56366	From: Scott	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Gas Stations - Related Retro 50s Question... Stuckey's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56367	From: rep928	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Pacific trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56368	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4617
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56369	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Gas Stations - Related Retro 50s Question... Stuckey's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56370	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Stuckey's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56371	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56374	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56376	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Pictures of the UP 3985 Challenger loco are now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56377	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: LEDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56378	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4617
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56379	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Horse car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56380	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: Pictures of the UP 3985 Challenger loco are now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56381	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: Pictures of the UP 3985 Challenger loco are now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56383	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56384	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Fw: Paint issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56385	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56386	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Digest Number 4617 - AF 283 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56387	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56388	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56389	From: michael prell	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Flyer Circus 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56390	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56391	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56392	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56393	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56394	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Flyonel Accessories For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56395	From: richs009	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56396	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56397	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Flyer Circus #353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56398	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Thanks, Guys!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56399	From: David	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: L&N Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56400	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Circus Train Part Deux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56401	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: L&N Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56402	From: Ted Walton	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: AF 977 caboose with brakeman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56403	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Train Part Deux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56404	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 977 caboose with brakeman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56405	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Train Part Deux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56406	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: L&N Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56407	From: afjeff_56	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet (SVD)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56408	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Big Train show near Cleveland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56409	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56410	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: York - Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56411	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Silver bullet engines & 977 crummies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56412	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: Silver bullet engines & 977 crummies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56413	From: lember2004	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56414	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56415	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56416	From: lember2004	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: from "Shiffy" Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56417	From: tbennerohio	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Electronic Whistle Control sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56418	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56419	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56420	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56421	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: This week at SHS…
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56423	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56424	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56425	From: portlines	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56426	From: portlines	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56427	From: richs009	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56428	From: AlR	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: 6 wheel trucks set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56429	From: David	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: #53 FY & PRR (RED) Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56430	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56431	From: David	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56432	From: portlines	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56433	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/4/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56434	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56435	From: portlines	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56436	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56437	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56438	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56439	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56440	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56441	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56442	From: wisner_mark	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: AF 283 - Jerky
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/4/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56444	From: portlines	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56445	From: portlines	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 - Jerky
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56446	From: jim patterson	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Boxes for the AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56447	From: David	Date: 10/5/2009
Subject: #24046 L&N Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56448	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/5/2009
Subject: Idaho Show Invitation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56449	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 - Jerky
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56450	From: David	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56451	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56452	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Beer Cars &c
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56453	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56454	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: York - Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56455	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: L&N Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56456	From: David	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: #7419 PABST Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56457	From: richs009	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56458	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56459	From: David	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56460	From: DonaldJoAnne Mengle	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56461	From: richs009	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56462	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56463	From: Ed	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56464	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56465	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56466	From: Jim King	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: B&O M53 update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56467	From: David	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: #7520 SCHLITZ BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56468	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: Information--Public Service Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56469	From: rj4010d	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: new parts & service book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56470	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: Re: new parts & service book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56471	From: Bruce	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: new parts & service book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56472	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Weekend in Lancaster County
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56473	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: NY & NJ Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56474	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56475	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: Weekend in Lancaster County
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56476	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: BEER REEFER POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56477	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: new parts & service book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56478	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: #7520 Schlitz Beer Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56479	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: CANADIAN "S" GAUGERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56480	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: OT A bit: Old Model Railroader magazine available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56481	From: Edward	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56482	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56483	From: David	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56484	From: michael prell	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: American Grafitti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56485	From: Larry Asp	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56486	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56487	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56488	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56489	From: portlines	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56490	From: JOHNM63379	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56491	From: myflyertrains@cfl.rr.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56492	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56493	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56494	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: new kid on the block.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56495	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56496	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56497	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56498	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56499	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/11/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56500	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56501	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56502	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56503	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56504	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56505	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56507	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56508	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Hi-rail track was : new kid on the blocks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56509	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56510	From: David	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: BEER REEFER SERVICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56511	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: American Graffitti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56512	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56513	From: michael prell	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56514	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/11/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56516	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56517	From: michael prell	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: American Graffitti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56518	From: David	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: #7621 MOOSE HEAD Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56519	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: SIGN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56520	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Chat server is Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56521	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: SIGN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56522	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56523	From: David	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Chat's down?? RATS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56524	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: American Graffitti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56525	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/11/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56526	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: American Graffitti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56527	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56528	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56529	From: alanlambert2006	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Train Show Find.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56530	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56531	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56532	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56533	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56534	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56535	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56536	From: AlR	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Lionel Trainmaster Command Base for Sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56537	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56538	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56539	From: michael prell	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Um, Excuse me, but....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56540	From: michael prell	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56541	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56542	From: michael prell	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56543	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56544	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: RE : American Graffitti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56545	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Product delay problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56546	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56547	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Um, Excuse me, but....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56548	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56549	From: richs009	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56550	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56551	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56552	From: Edward	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56553	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56554	From: jaay_st	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56555	From: The Laniers	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56556	From: portlines	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56557	From: Dave	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: DECALS You Design
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56558	From: michael prell	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: RE : American Graffitti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56559	From: michael prell	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56560	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56561	From: Ben Perry	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56562	From: Ben Perry	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56563	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56564	From: michael prell	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56565	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56566	From: myflyertrains@cfl.rr.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56567	From: michael prell	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56568	From: Dave	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Decal Setting Solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56569	From: Dave	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: New Decal Info.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56570	From: John Stevens	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: DECALS You Design
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56571	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56572	From: myflyertrains@cfl.rr.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56573	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: S Trains CHAT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56574	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: S Trains CHAT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56575	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decal Setting Solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56576	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56577	From: Alan Evans	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Cost of attending train shows and "Absentee Vendor" tables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56578	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56579	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Decal Setting Solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56580	From: Dave	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: P&WV Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56581	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56582	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56583	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56584	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: S Scale Shay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56585	From: johntech	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Walthers new flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56586	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Shay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56587	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers new flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56588	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers new flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56589	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: RE Walthers new flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56590	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: American Flyer Silver Streak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56591	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Silver Streak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56592	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers new flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56593	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56594	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56595	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56596	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Shay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56597	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Cost of attending train shows and "Absentee Vendor" tables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56598	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Sensible Reply Button use - - Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4636
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56600	From: Bob	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56601	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56602	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Cost of attending train shows and "Absentee Vendor" tables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56603	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56604	From: __A_YAHOO_USER__	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56605	From: len_hall	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56606	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56607	From: michael prell	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Survival of the Fittest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56608	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56609	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56610	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56611	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56612	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Old Memeories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56613	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Old Memeories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56614	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56615	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56616	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56617	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Survival of the Fittest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56618	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56619	From: Ed	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56620	From: michael prell	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Survival of the Fittest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56621	From: michael prell	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56622	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56623	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Old memories Re: S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56624	From: johntech	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56625	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56626	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56627	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56628	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56629	From: Matthew	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: STUCK IN NEUTRAL?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56630	From: The Reardon's	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: STUCK IN NEUTRAL?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56631	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: PRR prototype colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56632	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56633	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56634	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56635	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56636	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: York notes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56637	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: STUCK IN NEUTRAL?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56638	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56639	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Sunshine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56640	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56641	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56642	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56643	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56644	From: templetonlou	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: lights for layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56645	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: 718 AFL Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56646	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: My Original Set Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56647	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Layout Room Shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56648	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Smokey Mountain Set Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56649	From: edhavens@cox.net	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: PRR prototype colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56650	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56651	From: Scott	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56652	From: william cole	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56653	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56654	From: barb	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Layout Room Shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56655	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Room Shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56656	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible Reply Button (Fix for OE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56657	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Room Shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56658	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56659	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56660	From: nk07083	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56661	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56662	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56663	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56664	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Room Shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56665	From: Matthew	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56666	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56667	From: Matthew	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56668	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56669	From: rwferr1	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: My Original Set Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56670	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56671	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: My Original Set Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56672	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56673	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56674	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: shelving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56675	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56676	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56677	From: rwferr1	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: #9991 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56678	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56679	From: portlines	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56680	From: richs009	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56681	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56682	From: A E Johnson	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56683	From: barb	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Layout Room Shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56684	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56685	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: VHS train tapes for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56686	From: Dave	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Warning Signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56687	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: two more VHS tapes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56688	From: Dave	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: WARNING SIGNS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56689	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56690	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Fw: 914 Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56691	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Blue-box etc. and Athearn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56692	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56693	From: Dave	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: "WARNING" Decal Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56694	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Blue-box and Athearn etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56695	From: Jack	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: TRADE RIVER RAISIN BERKSHIRE FOR AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56696	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Mary Gray
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56697	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: Maine Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56698	From: grdobbs	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: Blue-box etc. and Athearn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56699	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56700	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: AFC Building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56701	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56702	From: johntech	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56703	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56704	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56705	From: race944t	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: 770 vs 775 vs K775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56706	From: Jerry	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56707	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56708	From: Joe	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Info needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56709	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Observations at an S Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56710	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56711	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56712	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56713	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/25/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56714	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: railroad Bridge Walkway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56715	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56716	From: portlines	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56717	From: william cole	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Observations at an S Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56718	From: Tom Crowley	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: railroad Bridge Walkway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56719	From: race944t	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56720	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56721	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56722	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56723	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56724	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/25/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56725	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Easy Way To Enter Chat Room Tonight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56726	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: S-Helper Western Pacific Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56727	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: chameleon paint remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56728	From: Ben	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Directronic reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56729	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56730	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56731	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56732	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: AF piant stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56733	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56734	From: Dave	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: $10.00 Off Coupon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56735	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56736	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: 375 T & P GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56737	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56738	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56739	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: 375 T & P GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56740	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56741	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56742	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56743	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56744	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56745	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: the walls came down! A new home?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56746	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: "Directronic": a term that's irrelevant to AF 3/16s O unmodified eng
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56747	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56748	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56749	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56750	From: Dave	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: BALLANTINE ALE Reefer Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56751	From: The LANIERs	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56752	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56753	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56754	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56755	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56756	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56757	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56758	From: portlines	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56759	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56760	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56761	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56762	From: traintracks01	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: S items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56764	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56765	From: fleskovitz	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Miniature Wonderland Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56766	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56767	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56768	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: the walls came down! A new home?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56769	From: Dave	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: #1225 Mr. & Mrs. Clause Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56770	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Fw: UPS Call Tag
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56771	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56772	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56773	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56774	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56775	From: michael prell	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56776	From: michael prell	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature Wonderland Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56777	From: Dave	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56778	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56779	From: The LANIERs	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56780	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: DRC vs Directronic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56781	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature Wonderland Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56782	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56783	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56784	From: richs009	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56785	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56786	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature Wonderland Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56787	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [toytrains] Differences Between O and O-27
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56788	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: QWIK Tyme Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56789	From: richs009	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: rail pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56790	From: Herbert	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: DRC vs Directronic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56791	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: QWIK Tyme Calendar Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56792	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56793	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56794	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: End rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56795	From: barry_ja	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56796	From: Ben	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Continuing Prewar 806 Northern (DC reverse/solenoid) saga and questi
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56797	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56798	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: QWIK Tyme Calendar Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56799	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: End rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56800	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56801	From: Dave	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: NCBX Reefer Decal Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56802	From: srgriggs	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: End rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56803	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56804	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Train Station Inn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56805	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: Re: S items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56806	From: sscalemn	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: 2010 NASG National Convention in Duluth, Minnesota July 21-24
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56807	From: Jim	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: Unusual Wheel Contamination?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56808	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56809	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Wheel Contamination?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56810	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56811	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Wheel Contamination?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56812	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56813	From: beechcricker	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: AF 307: Possible Driving Wheels Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56814	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Wheel Contamination?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56815	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56816	From: Dave	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: "FREE DECALS"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56817	From: portlines	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: AF 307: Possible Driving Wheels Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56818	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Train Show at Mt Clemens, Mich
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56819	From: Dave	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: #20093 Indian River Citrus Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56820	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/1/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56821	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Hello from Taiwan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56822	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Hobby Shoppes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56823	From: beechcricker	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 307: Possible Driving Wheels Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56824	From: bud9351	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Milw Road ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56825	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Ebay, good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56826	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56827	From: Bruce	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56828	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56829	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Milw Road ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56830	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Milw Road ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56831	From: Larry Asp	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56832	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/1/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56833	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56834	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: eBay: good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56835	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56836	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: eBay: good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56837	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56838	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56839	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56840	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56841	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hello from Taiwan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56842	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56843	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56844	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56845	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56846	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56847	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56848	From: John McAlonan	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: eBay: good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56849	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56850	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56851	From: zemouse2001	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: eBay: good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56852	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56853	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: eBay: good thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56854	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56855	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56856	From: portlines	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56857	From: portlines	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56858	From: Dave	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: #355 Baldwin Switcher Repainted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56859	From: Red Ned	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56860	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56861	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56862	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56863	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56864	From: richs009	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56865	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56866	From: The Reardon's	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: 1997 Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56867	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56868	From: race944t	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56869	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56870	From: michael prell	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: 735 Operating Coach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56871	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56872	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56873	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56874	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56875	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: 735 Operating Coach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56876	From: Jerry	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: 735 Operating Coach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56877	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56878	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56879	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Building a free website just got easier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56880	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] November 4 in toy train history - Zippy the Pinhead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56881	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: 735 Operating Coach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56882	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: S-Trax For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56883	From: Jim	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: 316
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56884	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: 316
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56885	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] November 4 in toy train history - Zippy the Pinh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56886	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: 316
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56887	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: S-Trax For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56888	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56889	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56890	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: A correction in direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56891	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56892	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56893	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56894	From: Bob	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56895	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56896	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56897	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56898	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56899	From: Jim V	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56900	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56901	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56902	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56903	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56904	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56905	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56906	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56907	From: barb	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Speaking of Ballast...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56908	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56909	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Fw: PLasticville Muffler Man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56910	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56911	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56912	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56913	From: Jim	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56914	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56915	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56916	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56917	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56918	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56919	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56920	From: Bruce	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56921	From: grdobbs	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56922	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56923	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56924	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: FNF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56925	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56926	From: michael prell	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Syracuse Train Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56927	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56928	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Port-A-Potty Cars; Anyone make S-scale Port-A-Pot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56929	From: Howard	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle for K325.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56930	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56931	From: johntech	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} Port-A-Potty Cars; Anyone make S-scale Port-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56932	From: michael prell	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Lookin'4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56933	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle for K325.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56934	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56935	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56936	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56937	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Of Porta-potties and Muffler Men
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56938	From: knockbill	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: John Wanamaker set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56939	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle for K325.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56940	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: John Wanamaker set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56941	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56942	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Lookin'4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56943	From: grant	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56944	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/8/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56945	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: John Wanamaker set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56946	From: paflyrman	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Recent Odd Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56947	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Of Porta-potties and Muffler Men
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56948	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56949	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Humble beginings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56950	From: knockbill	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: John Wanamaker set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56951	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Lansing Michigan Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56952	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Recent Odd Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56953	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Humble beginings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56954	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Recent Odd Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56955	From: Howard	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56956	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Christmas Drive-In Theater Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56957	From: Howard Pape	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56958	From: Howard Pape	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56959	From: afjerryk5	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Atlas S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56960	From: macflyer0513	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Cincinnati Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56961	From: grant	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56962	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56963	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Drive-In Theater Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56964	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Hello from Anshan City
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56965	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56966	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Atlas S track]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56967	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56968	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Heavyweight observation railings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56969	From: paflyrman	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Recent Odd Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56970	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56971	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56972	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Heavyweight observation railings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56973	From: Dave	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: #1873 COORS Refrigerator Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56974	From: jaytewilli	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56975	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56976	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56977	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56978	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Train slows to a halt/transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56979	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56980	From: wyoaf	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: www.americanflyerclub.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56981	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56982	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Train slows to a halt/transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56983	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Train slows to a halt/transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56984	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: airbrush suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56985	From: Jerry	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: airbrush suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56986	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4666
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56987	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: FW: [deerfieldriver] Christmas Sale on new Kits now til 12-25-09
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56988	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: airbrush suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56989	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56990	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56991	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56992	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56993	From: Dave	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: #1874 CMR Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56994	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56995	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56996	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56997	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56998	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 56999	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57000	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Automatic Siding Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57001	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57002	From: Jerry	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57003	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57004	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57005	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57006	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57007	From: Dave	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Your Product Advertised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57008	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57009	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57010	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Your Product Advertised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57011	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57012	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Your Product Advertised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57013	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Your Product Advertised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57014	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: walk around throttle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57015	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57016	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57017	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57018	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57019	From: trainnut2us	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: S Fest 2009 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57020	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: RED SPIKE CEREMONY!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57021	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Allentown Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57022	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Fw: RED SPIKE CEREMONY!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57023	From: michael prell	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Thanks Again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57024	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57025	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57026	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57027	From: Phillip M	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Parts diagram for American Flyer Union Pacific Talking Station - 799
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57028	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Instructions for PHM TrainMaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57029	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57030	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57031	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: Parts diagram for American Flyer Union Pacific Talking Station -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57032	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57033	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Back Up To Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57034	From: Dave	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: NEW Repair & Restoration Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57035	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57036	From: michael prell	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Back Up To Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57037	From: Dave	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: #1806 CMR Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57038	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: The Turn of the Screw (in reverse)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57039	From: Bruce	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57040	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: SHS Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57041	From: Jim King	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 next project; send deposits now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57042	From: michael prell	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: The Turn of the Screw (in reverse)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57043	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/15/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57044	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57045	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57046	From: Bruce	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57047	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57048	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57049	From: Bruce	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57051	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57053	From: Bruce	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57054	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: MObley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57055	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: The turn of the screw (in reverse)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57056	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ballast...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57058	From: EdSauers	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Attention S-Scale Modelers....Smoky Mountain Moedl Works I5c Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57059	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57060	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57061	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ballast...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57062	From: Jim King	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 roster info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57063	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/15/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57064	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57065	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Turn of the Screw (in reverse)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57066	From: EdSauers	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Attention S-Scale Modelers....Smoky Mountain Model Works I5c/d Cabs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57067	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of ballast--
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57068	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ballast...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57069	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57070	From: Bruce	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57071	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Roseville Railfair--SCOOOORE!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57072	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57073	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57074	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57075	From: Gary	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Action box car loading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57076	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57077	From: Dave	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: IVORY SNOW DECAL SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57078	From: Jim King	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Reserving the FM H10-44
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57079	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57080	From: Jim King	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Pete Vanvliet contact me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57081	From: Dave	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Decal Dealers Wanted :o)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57082	From: afvair	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Looking for Mike Strickland's AF smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57083	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for Mike Strickland's AF smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57084	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57085	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57086	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57087	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57088	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57089	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57090	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57091	From: Dave	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Your Local Hobby Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57092	From: EdSauers	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: FOR SALE NEW Micro Mark Topper kit #84306 mounts on plasticville co
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57093	From: David Haslauer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: AF #313 steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57094	From: Dave	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: #1879 SLRX, IVORY SNOW REEFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57095	From: Al	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF #313 steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57096	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57097	From: Jim V	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57098	From: Gary	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57099	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57100	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF #313 steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57101	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF #313 steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57102	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57103	From: hornickw	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Tankar Gas Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57104	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57105	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57106	From: michael prell	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57107	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57108	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57109	From: sscalemn	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57110	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Car Gas Stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57111	From: Dave	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: LEMP Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57112	From: Don	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Action car- my solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57113	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57114	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57115	From: Bob	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Fall, 2009 1:64MG Issue Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57116	From: Scott	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails - Private vs. Public List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57117	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails - Private vs. Public List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57118	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: E-mail blocking etc. TOPIC IS CLOSED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57119	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Speeders?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57120	From: Dave	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: #1975 LEMP's Beer Decal Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57121	From: Jim King	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Bill Ramey contact me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57122	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57123	From: hornickw	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57124	From: johntech	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Speeders?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57125	From: Dave	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57126	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57127	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57128	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57129	From: michael prell	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57130	From: michael prell	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57131	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57132	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: K-Line trucks and couplers ? ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57133	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: K-Line trucks and couplers ? ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57134	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57135	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57136	From: grant	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Hobby Stores that carry S off Interstate 80
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57137	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: K-Line trucks and couplers ? ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57138	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57139	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57140	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: About Ethyl...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57141	From: johntech	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: About Ethyl...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57142	From: Dave	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: #1975 LEMP-FALSTAFF Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57143	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: FNF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57144	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: About Ethyl...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57145	From: dalef62	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57146	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: About Ethyl...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57147	From: Gary	Date: 11/21/2009
Subject: Powemaster hook up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57148	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/21/2009
Subject: Powemaster hook up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57149	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/22/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57150	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57151	From: grant	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hobby Stores that carry S off Interstate 80
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57152	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: FNF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57153	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: FNF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57154	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/22/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57155	From: Gary	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Powemaster hook up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57156	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Fw: Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57157	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: FNF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57158	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Please forgive me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57159	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Powemaster hook up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57160	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Powemaster hook up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57161	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: SHS Xmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57162	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Xmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57163	From: Ben	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: AF/Plasticville for sale...just in time for the holidays!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57164	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57165	From: lember2004	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster or MTH DCS for conventional AF locomotiv
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57166	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster or MTH DCS for conventional AF locom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57167	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57168	From: Dave	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: ST. LOUIS SOUTHWESTERN BOX CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57169	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: AF/Plasticville for sale...just in time for the holidays!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57170	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster or MTH DCS for conventional AF locom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57171	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57172	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57173	From: dphobbies	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57174	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57175	From: wyoaf	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57176	From: johntech	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57177	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57178	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57179	From: The Laniers	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57180	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: American Flag Co Building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57181	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57182	From: mike	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: good place to get replacement parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57183	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: What is standard V/VA for DC transformers for S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57184	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57185	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: good place to get replacement parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57186	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: good place to get replacement parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57187	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57188	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: good place to get replacement parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57189	From: rj4010d	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: RE. slow running forward 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57190	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57191	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Can anyone send me pictures of these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57192	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: What is standard V/VA for DC transformers for S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57193	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert and Lionel Flyer rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57194	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Can anyone send me pictures of these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57195	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57196	From: Dave	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Gas Station Sign?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57197	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: For Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57198	From: johntech	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57199	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57200	From: dphobbies	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57201	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Westminster Train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57202	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: A Thanksgiving Wish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57203	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Westminster Train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57204	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Westminster Train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57205	From: Edward	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Christmas Train cars.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57206	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: A Thanksgiving Wish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57207	From: wisner_mark	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Sound Decoder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57208	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: It is done
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57209	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gas Station Sign?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57210	From: Matthew	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: 343 Tender Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57211	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Westminster Train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57212	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Neill is Free, Free at Last
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57213	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57214	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Uniroyal Gal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57215	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57216	From: lember2004	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Follow-up Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster ... for conventional AF lo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57217	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57218	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57219	From: Al	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Custom Steamer Drive Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57220	From: frabilz	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Ace conversion floor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57221	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: Follow-up Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster ... for conventional A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57222	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Latest Layout Pictures 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57223	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Follow-up Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster ... for conventional AF lo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57224	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: More on CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57225	From: race944t	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: Can anyone send me pictures of these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57226	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: weird ebay situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57227	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: weird ebay situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57228	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57229	From: race944t	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: Can anyone send me pictures of these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57230	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57231	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57232	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57233	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57234	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: weird ebay situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57235	From: David Engle	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57236	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57237	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Neil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57238	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57239	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Si
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57240	From: Bob	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57241	From: Gary	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57242	From: Herbert	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57243	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57244	From: Dave	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: AF - #24077 & #994 Stock Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57245	From: Pat Turner	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Turner Model Works Black Friday Sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57246	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: A Thanksgiving Wish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57247	From: barb	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: WIshes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57248	From: Gary	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57249	From: wisner_mark	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57250	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57251	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57252	From: John Sage	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57253	From: Gary	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57254	From: michael prell	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Thankful For Many Things This Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57255	From: fahrwud	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Non-Flyer steam loco wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57256	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Non-Flyer steam loco wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57257	From: michael prell	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Thankful For Many Things This Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57258	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Thankful For Many Things This Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57259	From: bag5809	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57260	From: michael prell	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Thankful For Many Things This Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57261	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57262	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57263	From: MikeS	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57264	From: Dave	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: CRISCO Reefer Decal Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57265	From: majordad	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57266	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57267	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Non-Flyer steam loco wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57269	From: Francois	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Steam train The Mastrou
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57270	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery is moving some time soon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57271	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: Steam train The Mastrou
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57272	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/29/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57273	From: rep928	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: F-9 repairs revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57274	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Re: Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57275	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57276	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Circus Modelers need HELP!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57277	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: FNF-- PVMR LAYOUT RUNNING FOR CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57278	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/29/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57279	From: michael prell	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57280	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57281	From: rep928	Date: 11/30/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57282	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57283	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Lancaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57284	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Lionel Gateman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57285	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Fun with REAL trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57286	From: rickrubino	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57288	From: Gary	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Connecting base terminals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57289	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57290	From: rep928	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57291	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57292	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: PVMR Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57293	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57294	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57295	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: Connecting base terminals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57296	From: Bob A	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57297	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Poll Will Close soon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57298	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57299	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57300	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57301	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57302	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57303	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57304	From: preardon4girls	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: SHS 2008 Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57305	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57306	From: Ben	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: 761 automatic semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57307	From: AlR	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Christmas Gondola Inserts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57308	From: AlR	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Christmas Gondolas with inserts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57309	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: 761 automatic semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57310	From: Bob	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Fall, 2009 1:64MG Issue Update 2 & A Quick Railfan Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57311	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: 761 automatic semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57312	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57313	From: navmedguy	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Old and New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57314	From: Grumpy	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Decal sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57315	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: S scale chickens.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57316	From: Dave	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Repair Shop Up Date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57317	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57318	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Gondola Inserts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57319	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: Old and New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57320	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: What do you use as putty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57321	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57322	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: What do you use as putty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57323	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: What do you use for putty?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57324	From: mikenguy9	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: gulf 625g decals-dry transfer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57325	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: What do you use as putty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57326	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57327	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: gulf 625g decals-dry transfer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57328	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: gulf 625g decals-dry transfer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57329	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Capitol Holidays Layout Reconstructed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57330	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: Old and New
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57331	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57332	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: American Flyer O gauge Posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57333	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57334	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57335	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57336	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Woodland Product review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57337	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer O gauge Posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57339	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer O gauge Posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57340	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Coupons!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57341	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57342	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57343	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57345	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57346	From: Rick rubino	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57347	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57348	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57349	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer O gauge Posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57350	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57351	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57352	From: michael prell	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57353	From: racin510	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: stockyard mat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57354	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: stockyard mat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57355	From: michael prell	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: stockyard mat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57356	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57357	From: Jim King	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Last call to reserve an FM H10-44
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57358	From: AlR	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Christmas Gondola inserts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57359	From: Gary	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: TMCC ASC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57360	From: Matthew	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Searchlight Car Insulation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57361	From: michael prell	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57362	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/6/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57363	From: johntech	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Gondola inserts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57364	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57365	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: Searchlight Car Insulation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57366	From: lember2004	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57367	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC ASC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57368	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: A good fined on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57369	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57370	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57371	From: Gary	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC ASC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57372	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57373	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57374	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57375	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57376	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57377	From: lember2004	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57378	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Happy Hoildays everyone!!! I have a question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57379	From: Jim King	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 deposit cutoff date moved to 1/15
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57380	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC ASC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57381	From: Matthew	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Searchlight Car Insulation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57382	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57383	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57384	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57385	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Hoildays everyone!!! I have a question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57386	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Happy Hoildays everyone!!!  I have a question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57387	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question...un-bend damaged castings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57388	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/6/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57389	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Timonium add on.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57390	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} FM H10-44 deposit cutoff date moved to 1/15
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57391	From: rep928	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: F-9 Repaired (I think)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57392	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Timonium Greenberg Show.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57393	From: Glenn	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: THE DUTCHWAY TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57394	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57395	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays everyone!!! I have a question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57396	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57397	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Searchlight Car Insulation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57398	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Hoildays everyone!!! I have a question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57399	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57400	From: rep928	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: F-9 Repaired (I think)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57401	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: THE DUTCHWAY TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57402	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57403	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57404	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Blantent sales ad 300375264462
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57405	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57406	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Big Boy at dealers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57407	From: valiantmike72	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: S-Helper Track with AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57408	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57409	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57410	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: 1954 K5363W Silver Rocket freight set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57411	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57412	From: AlR	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57413	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57414	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57415	From: hjsheffield	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Available cars and stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57416	From: Matthew	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57417	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57418	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57419	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Fw: your posting about AF 565s % 556s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57420	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: S-Helper Track with AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57421	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57422	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57423	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Smitty the Brakeman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57424	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57425	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: The Far Side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57426	From: valiantmike72	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57427	From: Bob	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57428	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smitty the Brakeman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57429	From: michael prell	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smitty the Brakeman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57430	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57431	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57432	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: S items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57433	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57434	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57435	From: Edward	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57436	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smitty the Brakeman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57437	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: unwanted emails.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57438	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57439	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: OBOY !!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57440	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57441	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57442	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57443	From: michael prell	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57444	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: OBOY, OBOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57445	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57446	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57447	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57448	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57449	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57450	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: DUTCHWAY????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57451	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: DUTCHWAY????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57452	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Baking Clay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57453	From: sscalemn	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Before and After Activities at the 2010 NASG Convention in Duluth ne
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57454	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Big Boys are in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57455	From: michael prell	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57456	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57457	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57458	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57459	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57460	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57461	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57462	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers at GTE this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57463	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57464	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57465	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57466	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Seasonal Display in Flint Michigan Bus Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57467	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57468	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57469	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57470	From: frbpman	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed... I'm not!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57471	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57472	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I BB disappointment update, just FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57473	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57474	From: Ben	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: 30 B reversing problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57475	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I BB disappointment update, just FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57476	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57477	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57478	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57479	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Big Boys are in!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57480	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I BB disappointment update, just FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57481	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Big Boy is on the layout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57482	From: george leidinger	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57483	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57484	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57485	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57486	From: Bruce	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57487	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: BIGBOY!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57488	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57489	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57490	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Big Boy Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57491	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57492	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57493	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57494	From: Bruce	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57495	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57496	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57497	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57498	From: Ben	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57499	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: New Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57500	From: Ben	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57501	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57502	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57503	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57504	From: michael prell	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57505	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57506	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57507	From: MikeS	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57508	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57509	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57510	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57511	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57512	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57513	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57514	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: They have arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57515	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57516	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57517	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57518	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57519	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57520	From: Wayne B.	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57521	From: Scott	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Engine identification - cab #899
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57522	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: BIGBOY!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57523	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Engine identification - cab #899
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57524	From: Bruce	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57525	From: Rick rubino	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Flyer parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57526	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57527	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57528	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57529	From: Phil Edgley	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57530	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57531	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57532	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57533	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: 0 - 6 - 0 Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57534	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57535	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 0 - 6 - 0 Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57536	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57537	From: Dave	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: 1/64th Scale Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57538	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Keith Keefer: Re Schematic Used for AF Automatic Controls Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57539	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: 0 - 6 - 0 Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57540	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57541	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Engine identification - cab #899
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57542	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57543	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: BIGBOY!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57544	From: Jim King	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: All S items are sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57545	From: Dave	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: 1/64th Scale Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57546	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57547	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57548	From: mike	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57549	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57550	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/13/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57551	From: wisner_mark	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57552	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57553	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Carl's youtube video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57554	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57555	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57556	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57557	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: New locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57558	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Video of Big Boy running on the San Diego S-Gaugers layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57559	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: New locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57560	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: New locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57561	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57562	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57563	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/13/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57564	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Trip To Lancaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57565	From: michael prell	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video of Big Boy running on the San Diego S-Gaugers layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57566	From: race944t	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57567	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57568	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57569	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Video of Working Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57570	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Blueberry muffins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57571	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57572	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: Blueberry muffins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57573	From: roninscho9	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57574	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: Blueberry muffins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57575	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57576	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: AF 162 and 165 Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57577	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57578	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 162 and 165 Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57579	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Pizza
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57580	From: race944t	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57581	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Video of Working Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57582	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57583	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57584	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57585	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF 162 and 165 Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57586	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57587	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Poll Is Closed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57588	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57589	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Dealing in Public
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57590	From: Edward	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Christmas Train cars.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57591	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: 314AW - Stronger control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57592	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: message # 57591
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57593	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57594	From: Coopers	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Poll Is Closed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57595	From: race944t	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW - Stronger control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57596	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Big Boy Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57597	From: templetonlou	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: BB tender fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57598	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57599	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Closed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57600	From: race944t	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Our "friend"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57601	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Closed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57602	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Closed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57603	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Our "friend"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Fw: Harassment (KMM101368847V5229L0KM)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57605	From: mike jones	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57606	From: teeb_1	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57607	From: roninscho9	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57608	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57609	From: Ben	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57610	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: An unusual piece of AF track ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57611	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57612	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Video tour of the San Diego S-Gaugers layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57613	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57614	From: Dave	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: #930 AF, #930 AFL, #934 AFL Caboose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57615	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57616	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57617	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57618	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: An unusual piece of AF track ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57619	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57620	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57621	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57622	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy Rake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57623	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ? THANKS FOR THE ANSWER !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57624	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57625	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57626	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57627	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Rake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57628	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57629	From: Nick	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57630	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57631	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: BB Tender fix -- Digest Number 4709
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57632	From: rick gough	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57633	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Our "friend"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57634	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57635	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57636	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57637	From: Matthew	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57638	From: N Becker	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57639	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57641	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57642	From: Bruce	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57643	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57644	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57645	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57646	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57647	From: race944t	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57648	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57649	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57650	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57651	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57652	From: Monte	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57653	From: grant	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: AF passnger truck question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57654	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: New AF UP coal hopper with American flag on the side panel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57655	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: BB's oversized truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57656	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57657	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57658	From: Dave	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: AF #24320 DEEP ROCK Tank Car Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57659	From: glshultzsr	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Liquid Bearings Train Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57660	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57661	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Liquid Bearings Train Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57662	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57663	From: mike	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57664	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57665	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57666	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57667	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Liquid Bearings Train Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57668	From: kathre1	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57669	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57670	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF passnger truck question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57671	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57672	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BB's oversized truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57673	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57674	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: New AF UP coal hopper with American flag on the side panel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57675	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57676	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: New AF UP coal hopper with American flag on the side panel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57677	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Quality of Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57678	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57679	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: Quality of Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57680	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57681	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy and N
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57682	From: Paul	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57683	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57684	From: kathre1	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57685	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57686	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57687	From: John Sage	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57688	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57689	From: Ben	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Big Boy clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57690	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57691	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57692	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57693	From: daysend40	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: S Helper Santa Fe F7B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57694	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57695	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57696	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57697	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57698	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57699	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57700	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Flip flop circuit for crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57701	From: N Becker	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Train Tracker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57702	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57703	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57704	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57705	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57706	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57707	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: DCC and action cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57708	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57709	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57710	From: Ben	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57711	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57712	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57713	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57714	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57715	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Train Tracker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57716	From: Ben	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57717	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57718	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57719	From: A E Johnson	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57720	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57721	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57722	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57723	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57724	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57725	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: What DCC is lacking....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/20/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57727	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57728	From: Bob	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Fall, 2009 1:64 Modeling Guide & Holiday Schedule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57729	From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57730	From: Dave	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Fruit Crate Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57731	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: What DCC is lacking....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57732	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57733	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Christmas Layout/Villages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57734	From: wisner_mark	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Gate and crossing signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57735	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57736	From: Dave	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: 1/64 Truck Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57737	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57738	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57739	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57740	From: Ben	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57742	From: Ben	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57743	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! - Been there - done that!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57744	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Gate and crossing signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57745	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57746	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57747	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57748	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/20/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57749	From: N Becker	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: BB Oddity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57750	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57751	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fruit Crate Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57752	From: michael prell	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57753	From: Ben	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: BB gears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57754	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57755	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57756	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Big Boy Enjoyment.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57757	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57758	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: 0 Gage Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57759	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: BB Oddity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57760	From: Dave	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: 12 More FRUIT CRATE Deecals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57761	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57762	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57764	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57765	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Mike's need for two springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57766	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57767	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57768	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57769	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57770	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Mike's need for two springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57771	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57772	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Mike's need for two springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57773	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: AF Oil Drum Loader.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57774	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57775	From: kathre1	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57776	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57777	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57778	From: preardon4girls	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57779	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57780	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Dave Pierce
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57781	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Big boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57782	From: John	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57783	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57784	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57785	From: innotron	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57786	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Dallee 9vBRLT installation in AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57787	From: Edward	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57788	From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BB Oddity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57789	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57790	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57791	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57792	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BB Oddity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57793	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57794	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57795	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: LocoMatic Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57796	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57797	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57798	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57799	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57800	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57801	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57802	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57803	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57804	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57805	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57806	From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Train Tracker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57807	From: N Becker	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Big boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57808	From: barry_ja	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57809	From: N Becker	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Train Minder Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57810	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57811	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57812	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57813	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57814	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57815	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57816	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57817	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57818	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: BB trucks hitting action rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57819	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57820	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BB trucks hitting action rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57821	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: BB trucks hitting action rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57822	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57823	From: navmedguy	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57824	From: kathre1	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57825	From: kathre1	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57826	From: Bruce	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57827	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57828	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57829	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57830	From: Ben	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57831	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Rymes with Orange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57832	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rymes with Orange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57833	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57834	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57835	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57836	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Big Boy Warranty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57837	From: The Laniers	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Off Topic - Wally World Find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57838	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57839	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57840	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Tracker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57841	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Wally World Find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57842	From: Ben	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57843	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57844	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: TrainMinder Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57845	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57846	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57847	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57848	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57849	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Change of subject.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57850	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Warranty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57851	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: maddening
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57852	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Warranty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57853	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Warranty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57854	From: Jim	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: 316 Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57855	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Change of subject.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57856	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TrainMinder Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57857	From: N Becker	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57858	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Change of subject: painted 645
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57859	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: TLAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57860	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: maddening
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57861	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: 316 Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57862	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57863	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57864	From: John Metzger	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: maddening
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57865	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57866	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Dave Pierce
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57867	From: S	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Marketing Ineptitude
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57868	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57869	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57871	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57872	From: canambob91710k	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Holiday Wishes for All
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57873	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57874	From: A E Johnson	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Lionel Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57875	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: 316 Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57876	From: Scot Davidson	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Super Wally World Train Sation Retail Display Center
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57877	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57878	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57879	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57880	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57881	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57882	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57883	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57884	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Restoring Mini-Craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57885	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57886	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Restoring Mini-Craft Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57887	From: michael prell	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: From a Christmas Past
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57888	From: jaay_st	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57889	From: alanlambert2006	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57890	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57891	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57892	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57893	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57894	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Train Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57895	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57896	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57897	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57898	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57899	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Happy Hollidays!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57900	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57901	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57902	From: mike	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57903	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57904	From: Edward	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Merry Christmas to All......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57905	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57906	From: John Metzger	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57907	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers pictures at the Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57908	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57909	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57910	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57911	From: sscalemn	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: 2010 NASG Convention: Call for SMOD/FreeMo Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57912	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57913	From: mike jones	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57914	From: John Stevens	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57915	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57916	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57917	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57918	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57919	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Collection Management Methods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57920	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57921	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57922	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57923	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57924	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57925	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Diesel stuff part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57926	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57927	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57928	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Diesel stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57929	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: From a Christmas Past
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57930	From: mike jones	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57931	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57932	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57933	From: michael prell	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57934	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/27/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57935	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57936	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57937	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers pictures at the Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57938	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57939	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57940	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers pictures at the Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57941	From: michael prell	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: From a Christmas Past
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57942	From: mike jones	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57943	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57944	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57945	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Big Boy observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57946	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57947	From: michael prell	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57948	From: jaay_st	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Got it!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57949	From: yorktown26	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57950	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Power: New vs. Old...A warning!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57951	From: mike jones	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57952	From: jaay_st	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: 293 shell removal??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57953	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57954	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57955	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57956	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57957	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: answer to... another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57958	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Fw: Top Ten Signs you as a Train Collector/Operator are Getting Old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57959	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57960	From: ron plyler	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57961	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Power: New vs. Old...A warning!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57962	From: John Stevens	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: 293 shell removal??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57963	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: CIRCUIT BREAKERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57964	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: From a Christmas Past
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57965	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/27/2009, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57966	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Top Ten Signs you as a Train Collector/Operator are Getting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57967	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57968	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57969	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57970	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57971	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57973	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57974	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: BB trucks hitting action rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57975	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57976	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: AHL trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57977	From: Jim V	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57978	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57979	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: 583 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57980	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57981	From: AlR	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: American Flyer #334 DC Tender - needs parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57982	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57983	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer #334 DC Tender - needs parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57984	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer #334 DC Tender - needs parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57985	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: AHL trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57986	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57987	From: rep928	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: answer to... another problem--need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57988	From: rep928	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Adjusting 30B handle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57989	From: Ben	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Interesting variation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57990	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57991	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57992	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57993	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57994	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57995	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57996	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Interesting variation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57997	From: N Becker	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57998	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: New Layout Videos on Youtube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 57999	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos on Youtube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58000	From: AlR	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: S-Gauge American Flyer Trains for Sale - Vol. 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58001	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos on Youtube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58002	From: Jim V	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58003	From: michael prell	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos on Youtube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58004	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: More YouTube Video's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58005	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58006	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Russ Downs 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58007	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: Russ Downs 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58008	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Engine For Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58009	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: Russ Downs 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58010	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58011	From: camper279@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58012	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid for Mikados.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58013	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid for Mikados.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58014	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid for Mikados.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58015	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: GP 35..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58016	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58017	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58018	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: How about a New Years Eve Chat?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58019	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trainminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58020	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy New Year to All!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58021	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: help on replacement for spring drive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58022	From: wisner_mark	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 58023	From: michael prell	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy 2010!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51771	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: New Member

Hi John! 2 -6' x 10' legs ought to be pretty enjoyable! The suggestion of a wye in the corner should work out pretty well with that too! Good Luck!~Justin On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:26 PM, John Sage wrote: > I am going to increase the size to an "L" shape with both legs > measuring 6'x10' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51772	From: John	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Another S gauge book online

"For People Who Have Always Wanted The Perfect Model Railroad Layout But Don't Know How To Start!" *FREE For A Limited Time* Visit here - http://www.modelrailroadlayout.net/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51773	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Another wife story

LOL At least it was money spent in 1992 so I really don't care about the lost in the phone booth market. But I get to tease her about it, as our anniversary is July 31, a very important date in major league baseball everyear. No, I wont trade her if you know what that is on 7-31 every year in baseball. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another wife story If you wife had bought 2000 phone booths, and then you experienced the 66% drop, you would then have something like my 401k drop. I am not quite feeling your pain on the "9". :-) > > Years later the "market" on phone booths opened up and did a complete crash just like the stock this year, at 34 %, but the phone booth market crashed down to 12 dollars!!! A 66% percent drop in price and we are all worried about the stock market! LOL > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51774	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: relay with time delay

In a message dated 12/31/2008 1:45:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, grdobbs@... writes: Does anyone know of a source for a relay with time delay which I could us to activate a flasher/crossing gate? Dwight DALLEE Electronics has many of them. Let me know your voltages, current (A/C or D/C etc). Jim Lyle **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51775	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Another wife story

I will bet you have a lot of fun with the trade deadline date for you anniversary. Perhaps she does too! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > LOL > > At least it was money spent in 1992 so I really don't care about the lost in the phone booth market. > > But I get to tease her about it, as our anniversary is July 31, a very important date in major league baseball everyear. No, I wont trade her if you know what that is on 7-31 every year in baseball. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: acgilbertflyer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:51 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another wife story > > > If you wife had bought 2000 phone booths, and then you experienced the > 66% drop, you would then have something like my 401k drop. I am not > quite feeling your pain on the "9". > > :-) > > > > > Years later the "market" on phone booths opened up and did a > complete crash just like the stock this year, at 34 %, but the phone > booth market crashed down to 12 dollars!!! A 66% percent drop in > price and we are all worried about the stock market! LOL > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51776	From: G C	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Best wishes...

Happy New Year Mr. Stumpy (and to all). Glad to hear you are warm and cozy there in them Mountains. We had high winds here in Hanover, PA and many lost power for a while yesterday. Mean while they are still having "them small earth quakes" in northern York County. I guess Africa still wants North America back again. L.O.L. Its only been a couple hundred million years since Baltimore was where York is now. Saw that the temperature was around 1 degree in NY last night. That would sure freeze up the coal in my tender. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51777	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: 2008 Christmas Cars for sale

Somehow I spaced out and ordered the 2008 Christmas Cars from two different dealers.  So I have the following for sale - C-10 mint - never out of the box.   48374 Holiday Boxcar MSRP $59.99 48375 Stock Car with Reindeer MSRP $59.99 49046 Animated Santa Caboose MSRP $84.99   In addition, I have:   48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008, C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99.   48305 Wabash Boxcar made in 1988, C-9 factory new. Removed from the box for a picture. Greenberg 2008 price $28.00.   If you're interested, make me an offer.   I wish you and your trains a happy and prosperous new year!   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51778	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Need help with Plasticville Block Bridge

I want to put LED's on one. So it seems to have 2 sets of lights, one set of these lights on the right side of the front and back of the bridge. 1. I need to know what color led's to insert starting from the top down. 2. It seemed to me I remember a yellow light? 3. Now what is the top block used for and what does the bottom one purpose as well. I plan on powering these led's from a Tortoise switch motor. Thanks in advance Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51779	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car

Looking for 2008 Xmas Boxcar ...willing to pay up to 40 bucks ...if anyone has an extra..let me know

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51780	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: S-Helper engines for sale

I was recently contacted by someone who wants to sell the following S-Helper engines from his late father's collection:   00449 SW-1 Pennsylvania 5953. MSRP $199.95 00448 SW-1 Milwaukee Road #1634. MSRP $199.95 00446 SW-1 Western Pacific #503. MSRP $199.95 00093 SW-9 Atlantic Coast Line #711. I don't know whether it has sound; waiting for an answer from him. 01772 B&O 2-8-0 locomotive with DCC sound and code 110 wheels. MSRP $599.95 01782 New York Central 2-8-0 locomotive with DCC sound and code 110 wheels. MSRP $599.95   All are reputed to be new in the original box.  He'd like to get good prices, but isn't demanding full MSRP.  Make offer.   Since I don't have them in hand and haven't inspected them to make sure they really are new, I propose the following arrangement.  Pay me and I'll hold the money in escrow until you receive the engine(s) you bought.  If you're not satisfied, return the engine(s) and I'll refund your money.  He's protected in that he doesn't ship the engine(s) until they have been paid for.  Sound reasonable?   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51781	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Message from the lionel web site

The interesting part to me is in the 6th paragraph where American Flyer is mentioned. MK Yesterday, an electric charge rippled through the model train boards when someone managed to find a draft of a press release on the M.T.H. web site that was not otherwise available to the public, and post it on OGR. And while the timing was off by a week or so, the facts are correct. Since the news leaked yesterday afternoon that Lionel is going to license M.T.H. to use its name on historical tinplate Standard and O Gauge model trains and accessories, a lot of questions have been raised, and I've heard everything from, "Wow, great for the hobby," to "Wow, say it ain't so." I understand that the idea of Lionel and M.T.H. working cooperatively, so soon after settling our long and bitter lawsuit, is a shock to a lot of people, especially those who became so personally invested in that conflict. I can only say that the model train hobby isn't about lawsuits or personal enmity, it's about exciting products, the fellowship of enjoying them, and ultimately, it's about making sure that our hobby is stable and strong. I'm sure I can speak for Mike Wolf, when I say that the best way to repair the damage that was done to our hobby as a result of those hostilities is for our two companies to do exactly that. Before anyone starts singing Kumbaya, or wondering what happens on the color spectrum when you mix Orange, Blue and Purple, I'd like to issue a reality check and answer some of those questions that were raised: Lionel and M.T.H. are two, entirely separate companies with entirely different business models and destinies. We fiercely compete, and will continue to fiercely compete, in the core, O gauge segment of the model railroad hobby, especially in the arena of high-end engines and Operating Systems. However, our interests do not conflict, to any great extent, in other gauges and markets. Both companies are equally committed to making great trains and, where we do compete, both companies are equally committed to convincing hobbyists that they do so better than the other. And none of that will change. The agreement between Lionel and M.T.H. is a conventional and straightforward, multi year license, in which Lionel will be paid a royalty on each tinplate train that is sold. As an acknowledged and acclaimed maker of tinplate trains and accessories, M.T.H will now be able to do so using the historical and authentic Lionel and American Flyer badging that made them historical and authentic in the first place. While M.T.H. will be solely responsible for manufacturing the new line, Lionel will work with M.T.H to select the trains that will be made over the next few years, and will do whatever it can to help make them the success they deserve to be. Yesterday, before the thread that broke the news was taken down, in response to a post that expressed strong negative feelings, someone quoted the great, old Nick Lowe song, `What's So Funny About Peace, Love, and Understanding?' I can only add that we live on a very small planet and we participate in an even smaller hobby. And while I don't anticipate that M.T.H. and Lionel will begin exchanging Valentine's Day cards, it's not too much to work on items one and three. Below you'll find the press release, as it was intended to be released next week. Happy New Year. Jerry Calabrese LIONEL LICENSES M.T.H. FOR TINPLATE New York City, NY, Dec. 31, 2008 -- Lionel Electric Trains announced today that it has entered into a multi-year licensing agreement with M.T.H. Electric Trains, in which the Columbia, MD, model train maker will create a new line of tinplate Lionel Standard and O gauge products. The license will also include tinplate Standard and O gauge offerings for American Flyer, which has been part of Lionel since its acquisition in 1967. Using its extensive collection of tinplate tooling, M.T.H. plans to issue new versions of Lionel and American Flyer classic tinplate trains and accessories that were originally released between 1900 and 1942. These products will be packaged in all-new boxes with iconic Lionel and American Flyer advertising images and logos from the prewar tinplate era. Promotion of new tinplate Lionel and American Flyer products will begin in early 2009, with full-color catalogs. A Web site, dedicated to the new product line, will also offer product videos, sound clips and other information not available in print catalogs. "I'm very pleased that M.T.H. and Lionel will be working together on this new Lionel and American Flyer tinplate line," said Jerry Calabrese, Lionel CEO. Calabrese went on to say, "In times as difficult and challenging as these, I hope it's reassuring to all model train fans that both our companies will be joining forces to write a productive new chapter in our hobby's history. There is no better way to express our mutual belief and commitment to the future of model railroading than for Lionel and M.T.H. to collaborate on something as imaginative and exciting as these new Tinplate products. "This collaboration builds on what we've accomplished with our Tinplate Traditions line over the past three decades," noted M.T.H. President Mike Wolf. "It is no secret to those who know me that Lionel's history has inspired me since my youth." Wolf went on to say, "By working together, our two companies will be able to offer products that even more faithfully evoke the beauty and artistry of the toys that Lionel and American Flyer turned out in the prewar years, as well as make those trains available to a wider audience. Wolf added, "Putting aside the differences our firms have had over the years, Jerry and I have always recognized how much synergy exists between Lionel and M.T.H. Together we sat down and worked out this agreement with the express goal of expanding on both firms' longstanding commitments to grow our hobby." Based in New York City, Lionel has been making model trains and accessories since 1900. It is one of the world's leading model train companies, and among the most widely recognized brands in America. Based in Columbia, Maryland, M.T.H. Electric Trains is a seasoned model train manufacturer with a long history of innovation. In little more than a quarter century, M.T.H. has created an appealing multi- gauge product line.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51782	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Lionel/MTH hook up thoughts

We've been discussing this at the shop, but it has no impact on American Flyer S gauge trains, nor is it likely that MTH will try to access the S market since Flyonel is already there. MTH has the rights to repro Ives and Dorfan Standard Gauge tin trains and also makes some tin O gauge stuff. They have reproduced Lionel and American Flyer Standard and O Gauge tin trains for years, but these display MTH where they normally would say Lionel or Flyer. By adding the trade names Lionel and American Flyer, they can now repro Standard Gauge and O Gauge trains with their "correct" names on them. This will mean that if you are a collector who missed getting these before, you can now get new repros for your collection. If you already have the MTH marked repros, now you have to go back out and buy them again with the Lionel and Flyer names on them. The question I had about all this was, will MTH repro American Flyer 3/16 scale O Gauge trains? The consensus so far is no, the interest is to make American Flyer Standard Gauge tin trains. Mike Wolf has loved the big old tin trains for years and even made them for Lionel many years ago. So if ya' like big tin, you're in! Stumpy Stone...back to work at the hobby shop tomorrow.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51783	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: relay

Dwight: Re the relay: Have you looked at the z stuff line, http://www.z-stuff.net/ ?? I am not knowledgeable about their product line, but it appears they offer some clever stuff. ~~~~~ Looking at their website right now, I see they have optical sensors, if you don't want the whole gate assembly. One of our Susquehanna S Gaugers members, Dave Van Gilder, did a short demonstration of the S gauge version. It's at the END of our YouTube "Meet The Members" video, at http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQmZ11KcQP4 . ((On my Macintosh with FireFox browser, I can "drag" the movie slider to the 5:30 point, where the Z-Stuff demo starts, and skip the first part of the video. I'm assuming you maybe can do this on a Windows computer also.)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ======== On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:10 AM, dwightlehnhoff wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for a relay with time delay which I could > us to activate a flasher/crossing gate? > Dwight > > > _

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51784	From: barb	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Happy New Year

Hi to all, Happy New Year to y'all. I hope the year is filled with trains and more trains. I know it will be for me. The new train house is nearing completion. I expect to start reassembling the layout later this month. I wish you all health, happiness and dreams that come true. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51785	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Portlines

I haven't been able to reach the portlines web site for the last couple of days. Is anyone else having this problem?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51786	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines

I was able to place an order there this morning. http://www.portlines.com/ Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > I haven't been able to reach the portlines web site for the last > couple of days. Is anyone else having this problem? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51787	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines

Are you using Paul Yorke's web site & Links? If so I have had issues going that way...Mike In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:26:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robbe_wan@... writes: I haven't been able to reach the portlines web site for the last couple of days. Is anyone else having this problem? **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51788	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines

I haven't had a problem..... Works fine for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Portlines I haven't been able to reach the portlines web site for the last couple of days. Is anyone else having this problem? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51789	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: WEB BEACONS

Hi All, This came from a group owner of another Yahoo group. I am only passing this on as a moderator of this group for you to decide for yourself how you want your account handled by Yahoo. I chose to opt out at this time. Ed Eckert moderator Yahoo is Tracking Group Members Be aware that Yahoo is using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record everywhere that beacon is accessed, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Yahoo uses web beacons to conduct research on behalf of certain partners on their web sites and also for auditing purposes. Look at their updated privacy statement at <http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html> About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*, you will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out.", or use this link <http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/opt_out/targeting/details.html > In that section find "opt-out of interest-matched advertising" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it and then click the opt-out button on the next page. When close that window or tab to avoid opting back in. Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is *browser* specific. That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use. Think about forwarding this to your other groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of that a few years ago. Related article: Yahoo web beacons <http://antivirus.about.com/od/spywareandadware/a/yahoobugs.htm> ----------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51790	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Portlines

Nope - working fine for me (from Colorado) !!! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> > I haven't been able to reach the portlines web site for the last > couple of days. Is anyone else having this problem? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51791	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WEB BEACONS

Thank you for the info.   Mike R --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] WEB BEACONS To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 2:25 PM Hi All, This came from a group owner of another Yahoo group. I am only passing this on as a moderator of this group for you to decide for yourself how you want your account handled by Yahoo. I chose to opt out at this time. Ed Eckert moderator Yahoo is Tracking Group Members Be aware that Yahoo is using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record everywhere that beacon is accessed, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Yahoo uses web beacons to conduct research on behalf of certain partners on their web sites and also for auditing purposes. Look at their updated privacy statement at <http://info. yahoo.com/ privacy/us/ yahoo/details. html> About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*, you will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out.", or use this link <http://info. yahoo.com/ privacy/us/ yahoo/opt_ out/targeting/ details.html > In that section find "opt-out of interest-matched advertising" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it and then click the opt-out button on the next page. When close that window or tab to avoid opting back in. Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is *browser* specific. That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use. Think about forwarding this to your other groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of that a few years ago. Related article: Yahoo web beacons <http://antivirus. about.com/ od/spywareandadw are/a/yahoobugs. htm> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51792	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper engines for sale

Alway say if they are DC, scale, or HI rail. and if they have Flyer couplers?   Thankyou --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper engines for sale To: "Sgauge Available" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>, "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 2:54 PM I was recently contacted by someone who wants to sell the following S-Helper engines from his late father's collection:   00449 SW-1 Pennsylvania 5953. MSRP $199.95 00448 SW-1 Milwaukee Road #1634. MSRP $199.95 00446 SW-1 Western Pacific #503. MSRP $199.95 00093 SW-9 Atlantic Coast Line #711. I don't know whether it has sound; waiting for an answer from him. 01772 B&O 2-8-0 locomotive with DCC sound and code 110 wheels. MSRP $599.95 01782 New York Central 2-8-0 locomotive with DCC sound and code 110 wheels. MSRP $599.95   All are reputed to be new in the original box.  He'd like to get good prices, but isn't demanding full MSRP.  Make offer.   Since I don't have them in hand and haven't inspected them to make sure they really are new, I propose the following arrangement.  Pay me and I'll hold the money in escrow until you receive the engine(s) you bought.  If you're not satisfied, return the engine(s) and I'll refund your money.  He's protected in that he doesn't ship the engine(s) until they have been paid for.  Sound reasonable?   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51793	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car

I have not found one either, and most stores will not special order it in S if they do not handle  Lionel S normally.. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] WANTED 2008 Xmas Car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:11 PM Looking for 2008 Xmas Boxcar ...willing to pay up to 40 bucks ...if anyone has an extra..let me know [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51794	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: Message from the lionel web site

Now we are going to be getting the American Flyer in "0" and wide gauge? With the link couplers?   I would like that. as I have some "0" Flyer with link couplers.  I run it on Lionel track 027. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> wrote: From: acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Message from the lionel web site To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:42 PM The interesting part to me is in the 6th paragraph where American Flyer is mentioned. MK Yesterday, an electric charge rippled through the model train boards when someone managed to find a draft of a press release on the M.T.H. web site that was not otherwise available to the public, and post it on OGR. And while the timing was off by a week or so, the facts are correct. Since the news leaked yesterday afternoon that Lionel is going to license M.T.H. to use its name on historical tinplate Standard and O Gauge model trains and accessories, a lot of questions have been raised, and I've heard everything from, "Wow, great for the hobby," to "Wow, say it ain't so." I understand that the idea of Lionel and M.T.H. working cooperatively, so soon after settling our long and bitter lawsuit, is a shock to a lot of people, especially those who became so personally invested in that conflict. I can only say that the model train hobby isn't about lawsuits or personal enmity, it's about exciting products, the fellowship of enjoying them, and ultimately, it's about making sure that our hobby is stable and strong. I'm sure I can speak for Mike Wolf, when I say that the best way to repair the damage that was done to our hobby as a result of those hostilities is for our two companies to do exactly that. Before anyone starts singing Kumbaya, or wondering what happens on the color spectrum when you mix Orange, Blue and Purple, I'd like to issue a reality check and answer some of those questions that were raised: Lionel and M.T.H. are two, entirely separate companies with entirely different business models and destinies. We fiercely compete, and will continue to fiercely compete, in the core, O gauge segment of the model railroad hobby, especially in the arena of high-end engines and Operating Systems. However, our interests do not conflict, to any great extent, in other gauges and markets. Both companies are equally committed to making great trains and, where we do compete, both companies are equally committed to convincing hobbyists that they do so better than the other. And none of that will change. The agreement between Lionel and M.T.H. is a conventional and straightforward, multi year license, in which Lionel will be paid a royalty on each tinplate train that is sold. As an acknowledged and acclaimed maker of tinplate trains and accessories, M.T.H will now be able to do so using the historical and authentic Lionel and American Flyer badging that made them historical and authentic in the first place. While M.T.H. will be solely responsible for manufacturing the new line, Lionel will work with M.T.H to select the trains that will be made over the next few years, and will do whatever it can to help make them the success they deserve to be. Yesterday, before the thread that broke the news was taken down, in response to a post that expressed strong negative feelings, someone quoted the great, old Nick Lowe song, `What's So Funny About Peace, Love, and Understanding? ' I can only add that we live on a very small planet and we participate in an even smaller hobby. And while I don't anticipate that M.T.H. and Lionel will begin exchanging Valentine's Day cards, it's not too much to work on items one and three. Below you'll find the press release, as it was intended to be released next week. Happy New Year. Jerry Calabrese LIONEL LICENSES M.T.H. FOR TINPLATE New York City, NY, Dec. 31, 2008 -- Lionel Electric Trains announced today that it has entered into a multi-year licensing agreement with M.T.H. Electric Trains, in which the Columbia, MD, model train maker will create a new line of tinplate Lionel Standard and O gauge products. The license will also include tinplate Standard and O gauge offerings for American Flyer, which has been part of Lionel since its acquisition in 1967. Using its extensive collection of tinplate tooling, M.T.H. plans to issue new versions of Lionel and American Flyer classic tinplate trains and accessories that were originally released between 1900 and 1942. These products will be packaged in all-new boxes with iconic Lionel and American Flyer advertising images and logos from the prewar tinplate era. Promotion of new tinplate Lionel and American Flyer products will begin in early 2009, with full-color catalogs. A Web site, dedicated to the new product line, will also offer product videos, sound clips and other information not available in print catalogs. "I'm very pleased that M.T.H. and Lionel will be working together on this new Lionel and American Flyer tinplate line," said Jerry Calabrese, Lionel CEO. Calabrese went on to say, "In times as difficult and challenging as these, I hope it's reassuring to all model train fans that both our companies will be joining forces to write a productive new chapter in our hobby's history. There is no better way to express our mutual belief and commitment to the future of model railroading than for Lionel and M.T.H. to collaborate on something as imaginative and exciting as these new Tinplate products. "This collaboration builds on what we've accomplished with our Tinplate Traditions line over the past three decades," noted M.T.H. President Mike Wolf. "It is no secret to those who know me that Lionel's history has inspired me since my youth." Wolf went on to say, "By working together, our two companies will be able to offer products that even more faithfully evoke the beauty and artistry of the toys that Lionel and American Flyer turned out in the prewar years, as well as make those trains available to a wider audience. Wolf added, "Putting aside the differences our firms have had over the years, Jerry and I have always recognized how much synergy exists between Lionel and M.T.H. Together we sat down and worked out this agreement with the express goal of expanding on both firms' longstanding commitments to grow our hobby." Based in New York City, Lionel has been making model trains and accessories since 1900. It is one of the world's leading model train companies, and among the most widely recognized brands in America. Based in Columbia, Maryland, M.T.H. Electric Trains is a seasoned model train manufacturer with a long history of innovation. In little more than a quarter century, M.T.H. has created an appealing multi- gauge product line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51795	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: The value of a name

So if AM licenses the name AF it can raise the prices of all it cars by $10 and engines prices by $100 and everyone wins but the buyer. The collector has been paying so much more that Lionel did not have to appeal to the operator or scalers. K-line show everyone that they could sell $20 operating cars that they sold for $10 to Lionel buys and win both ways. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51796	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WEB BEACONS

Good info.... Thanks, Ed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Eckert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] WEB BEACONS Hi All, This came from a group owner of another Yahoo group. I am only passing this on as a moderator of this group for you to decide for yourself how you want your account handled by Yahoo. I chose to opt out at this time. Ed Eckert moderator Yahoo is Tracking Group Members Be aware that Yahoo is using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record everywhere that beacon is accessed, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Yahoo uses web beacons to conduct research on behalf of certain partners on their web sites and also for auditing purposes. Look at their updated privacy statement at <http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html> About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*, you will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out.", or use this link <http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/opt_out/targeting/details.html > In that section find "opt-out of interest-matched advertising" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it and then click the opt-out button on the next page. When close that window or tab to avoid opting back in. Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is *browser* specific. That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use. Think about forwarding this to your other groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of that a few years ago. Related article: Yahoo web beacons <http://antivirus.about.com/od/spywareandadware/a/yahoobugs.htm> ---------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51797	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car

There are plenty on Ebay ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANTED 2008 Xmas Car I have not found one either, and most stores will not special order it in S if they do not handle Lionel S normally.. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] WANTED 2008 Xmas Car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:11 PM Looking for 2008 Xmas Boxcar ...willing to pay up to 40 bucks ...if anyone has an extra..let me know [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51798	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car

Charles Ro shows some at $44.95 In a message dated 01/02/2009 4:42:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, pmcelroy@... writes: There are plenty on Ebay ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANTED 2008 Xmas Car I have not found one either, and most stores will not special order it in S if they do not handle Lionel S normally.. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Edward G. <_am-flyr@...-_ (mailto:am-flyr@...) > wrote: From: Edward G. <_am-flyr@...-_ (mailto:am-flyr@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] WANTED 2008 Xmas Car To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:11 PM Looking for 2008 Xmas Boxcar ...willing to pay up to 40 bucks ...if anyone has an extra..let me know [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51799	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper engines for sale

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: . . . . . . . . wants to sell the following S-Helper engines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .All are reputed to be new in the original box.. . . . . . . . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz Alway say if they are DC, scale, or HI rail. and if they have Flyer couplers? > > > > > > > > > > > > >< Welcome to S gauge. If he says they're SHS "new in the original box" that's all you need to know they have AF-compatible couplers and wheels, and run on AC; and can be converted easily to DC and / or scale, Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51800	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/2/2009
Subject: My Layout & Steam Engines

I am putting a link in this message to my webshots. Using my wife's digital camera, I took some short video's of my layout. I got the table up today and painted it a light brown dirt color. I wanted so badly to run the trains. I couldn't resist laying out some track and getting the steamers out. I am still in the "planning stages" of the actual layout however, the table is 6'x10'(seems like plenty of room). There is a scratch built coaling station in the picture. It is my first effort at anything. It isn't completely finished but, I thought I would set it out for the "shoot". http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3030840550095585101YNmBWS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51801	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper engines for sale

Thank you, Tom.  That is exactly how I was going to answer the question.   Actually, they could theoretically be DCC, but since he specifically said two engines were DCC and didn't say whether the rest were, I assume the rest are all AC, Gilbert-compatible.  I will confirm that.   Bob --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper engines for sale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:39 PM --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote: . . . . . . . . wants to sell the following S-Helper engines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .All are reputed to be new in the original box.. . . . . . . . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz Alway say if they are DC, scale, or HI rail. and if they have Flyer couplers? > > > > > > > > > > > > >< Welcome to S gauge. If he says they're SHS "new in the original box" that's all you need to know they have AF-compatible couplers and wheels, and run on AC; and can be converted easily to DC and / or scale, Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51802	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: price increase

price increase as of January 15 all decals will be increase by 50 cents each, so HO and N scale will be $4.00 a set, O and S scale will be $7.25 a set, sorry have to do this, inks and everything else goes up. -- Tom Stolte owner of Oddballs Decals www.oddballsdecals.org aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-) only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall Mo Pac and SP Forever

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51803	From: michael prell	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines

Very inspirational!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 1/2/09, majordadsage <majordadsage@...> wrote: From: majordadsage <majordadsage@...> Subject: [S-Trains] My Layout & Steam Engines To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:40 PM I am putting a link in this message to my webshots. Using my wife's digital camera, I took some short video's of my layout. I got the table up today and painted it a light brown dirt color. I wanted so badly to run the trains. I couldn't resist laying out some track and getting the steamers out. I am still in the "planning stages" of the actual layout however, the table is 6'x10'(seems like plenty of room). There is a scratch built coaling station in the picture. It is my first effort at anything. It isn't completely finished but, I thought I would set it out for the "shoot". http://good- times.webshots. com/video/ 3030840550095585 101YNmBWS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51804	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines

Nice size for your layout. Clayton --- On Fri, 1/2/09, majordadsage <majordadsage@...> wrote: > From: majordadsage <majordadsage@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] My Layout & Steam Engines > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:40 PM > I am putting a link in this message to my webshots. Using > my wife's > digital camera, I took some short video's of my layout. > I got the > table up today and painted it a light brown dirt color. I > wanted so > badly to run the trains. I couldn't resist laying out > some track and > getting the steamers out. I am still in the "planning > stages" of the > actual layout however, the table is 6'x10'(seems > like plenty of > room). There is a scratch built coaling station in the > picture. It > is my first effort at anything. It isn't completely > finished but, I > thought I would set it out for the "shoot". > > http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3030840550095585101YNmBWS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51805	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: The value of a name...

The following comments are about Lionel in the O gauge three rail market, however you might spot similarities to our area of interest. Since Lionel "returned" in the MPC era, the price of most of their offerings was set by the prices of Postwar Lionel in the collector market rather than by actual costs. Since they were using the same dies and molds they have had since the fifties, the profit margin was high. Other manufacturers used this as a guide when they entered the market that was largely Lionel's at that time. Williams, Weaver, and MTH appeared because there was money to be made in O gauge trains. Eventually Atlas, an N and HO manufacturer who had never shown any interest in "non-scale" trains, jumped into the market. Because collectors showed themselves willing to pay exorbidant prices for toy trains,the manufacturers were there and the prices climbed continually. However, things have changed. Competition made it impossible to rerun the same postwar trains and the O Gauge three rail market is now glutted with overpriced product! But Lionel is still a powerhouse of name recognition! Notice MTH is going to repro old Lionel and Flyer tin for Standard Gauge collectors, so there must be plenty of money in these hard times. Stumpy Stone...watching it all from the hobby shop for a long time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51806	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: My layout and steam engines

A good start! The coaling tower looks good too. Why not fill up your current table with layout before filling up the rest of your space? It looks like a nice size. If you make a siding that leads off the side or end, you can add another table later and expand! As a former builder of a several big layouts, some outdoors when I was in G scale, I can tell you that the "basement filling empire" is highly over rated! Especially when it comes time to do maintenance, which is more often the bigger the layout is! Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains after all these years

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51807	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Message from the lionel web site

I believe MTH interest is in reproducing Tin Plate Toy Trains. The tin plate American Flyer era was pre AC Gilbert manufactured trains. These tin plate trains were manufactured by W.O. Coleman who owned 'The American Flyer Manufacturing Company' on Halstedt St in Chicago. Pre war AC Gilbert manufactruing concentrated on creating Tru-Scale 3/16" O Gauge toy trains and die cast engines. There was about a three year transition to complete this migration to tru-scale 3/16" O Gauge and both Gilbert & Chicago style trains were in the Gilbert catalogs from 1938 to 1940. For those who love true tin plate trains, American Flyer wide gauge are highly sought after and are considered among the best of this period. I believe MTH will stay in this period of reproduction. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > Now we are going to be getting the American Flyer in "0" and wide gauge? > With the link couplers? >   > I would like that. as I have some "0" Flyer with link couplers.  I run it on Lionel track 027. > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > From: acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Message from the lionel web site > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 4:42 PM > > > > > > > The interesting part to me is in the 6th paragraph where American > Flyer is mentioned. > > MK > > Yesterday, an electric charge rippled through the model train boards > when someone managed to find a draft of a press release on the M.T.H. > web site that was not otherwise available to the public, and post it > on OGR. And while the timing was off by a week or so, the facts are > correct. > > Since the news leaked yesterday afternoon that Lionel is going to > license M.T.H. to use its name on historical tinplate Standard and O > Gauge model trains and accessories, a lot of questions have been > raised, and I've heard everything from, "Wow, great for the hobby," > to "Wow, say it ain't so." I understand that the idea of Lionel and > M.T.H. working cooperatively, so soon after settling our long and > bitter lawsuit, is a shock to a lot of people, especially those who > became so personally invested in that conflict. > > I can only say that the model train hobby isn't about lawsuits or > personal enmity, it's about exciting products, the fellowship of > enjoying them, and ultimately, it's about making sure that our hobby > is stable and strong. I'm sure I can speak for Mike Wolf, when I say > that the best way to repair the damage that was done to our hobby as > a result of those hostilities is for our two companies to do exactly > that. > > Before anyone starts singing Kumbaya, or wondering what happens on > the color spectrum when you mix Orange, Blue and Purple, I'd like to > issue a reality check and answer some of those questions that were > raised: > > Lionel and M.T.H. are two, entirely separate companies with entirely > different business models and destinies. We fiercely compete, and > will continue to fiercely compete, in the core, O gauge segment of > the model railroad hobby, especially in the arena of high-end engines > and Operating Systems. However, our interests do not conflict, to > any great extent, in other gauges and markets. Both companies are > equally committed to making great trains and, where we do compete, > both companies are equally committed to convincing hobbyists that > they do so better than the other. And none of that will change. > > The agreement between Lionel and M.T.H. is a conventional and > straightforward, multi year license, in which Lionel will be paid a > royalty on each tinplate train that is sold. As an acknowledged and > acclaimed maker of tinplate trains and accessories, M.T.H will now be > able to do so using the historical and authentic Lionel and American > Flyer badging that made them historical and authentic in the first > place. While M.T.H. will be solely responsible for manufacturing the > new line, Lionel will work with M.T.H to select the trains that will > be made over the next few years, and will do whatever it can to help > make them the success they deserve to be. > > Yesterday, before the thread that broke the news was taken down, in > response to a post that expressed strong negative feelings, someone > quoted the great, old Nick Lowe song, `What's So Funny About Peace, > Love, and Understanding? ' I can only add that we live on a very > small planet and we participate in an even smaller hobby. And while > I don't anticipate that M.T.H. and Lionel will begin exchanging > Valentine's Day cards, it's not too much to work on items one and > three. > > Below you'll find the press release, as it was intended to be > released next week. > > Happy New Year. > > Jerry Calabrese > > LIONEL LICENSES M.T.H. FOR TINPLATE > > New York City, NY, Dec. 31, 2008 -- Lionel Electric Trains announced > today that it has entered into a multi-year licensing agreement with > M.T.H. Electric Trains, in which the Columbia, MD, model train maker > will create a new line of tinplate Lionel Standard and O gauge > products. The license will also include tinplate Standard and O > gauge offerings for American Flyer, which has been part of Lionel > since its acquisition in 1967. > > Using its extensive collection of tinplate tooling, M.T.H. plans to > issue new versions of Lionel and American Flyer classic tinplate > trains and accessories that were originally released between 1900 and > 1942. These products will be packaged in all-new boxes with iconic > Lionel and American Flyer advertising images and logos from the > prewar tinplate era. Promotion of new tinplate Lionel and American > Flyer products will begin in early 2009, with full-color catalogs. A > Web site, dedicated to the new product line, will also offer product > videos, sound clips and other information not available in print > catalogs. > > "I'm very pleased that M.T.H. and Lionel will be working together on > this new Lionel and American Flyer tinplate line," said Jerry > Calabrese, Lionel CEO. Calabrese went on to say, "In times as > difficult and challenging as these, I hope it's reassuring to all > model train fans that both our companies will be joining forces to > write a productive new chapter in our hobby's history. There is no > better way to express our mutual belief and commitment to the future > of model railroading than for Lionel and M.T.H. to collaborate on > something as imaginative and exciting as these new Tinplate products. > > "This collaboration builds on what we've accomplished with our > Tinplate Traditions line over the past three decades," noted M.T.H. > President Mike Wolf. "It is no secret to those who know me that > Lionel's history has inspired me since my youth." Wolf went on to > say, "By working together, our two companies will be able to offer > products that even more faithfully evoke the beauty and artistry of > the toys that Lionel and American Flyer turned out in the prewar > years, as well as make those trains available to a wider audience. > > Wolf added, "Putting aside the differences our firms have had over > the years, Jerry and I have always recognized how much synergy exists > between Lionel and M.T.H. Together we sat down and worked out this > agreement with the express goal of expanding on both firms' > longstanding commitments to grow our hobby." > > Based in New York City, Lionel has been making model trains and > accessories since 1900. It is one of the world's leading model train > companies, and among the most widely recognized brands in America. > > Based in Columbia, Maryland, M.T.H. Electric Trains is a seasoned > model train manufacturer with a long history of innovation. In little > more than a quarter century, M.T.H. has created an appealing multi- > gauge product line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51808	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: About Collectors...

To my way of thinking, as someone who just wants to play with trains, an avid collector is his own (and our) worst enemy! The desire to have "one of everything" at whatever ridiculous price it costs drives the cost of many items out of reach for the rest of us. As I said before, the fact that Lionel set the price of its trains so high in the seventies was because collectors had run the market for Postwar Lionel so outrageously high! It had nothing to do with their production costs. So therefore, the collectors did it to themselves, and hurt the rest of us in the hobby as well! Because of this history, I have no compassion for the collector who whines about the prices of trains. He is reaping what he has sowed. However, to be totally fair, collectors have also been beneficial! Without them saving old trains, most of them would have gone in the trash years ago. And without their money in the market, new manufacturers wouldn't have been attracted to S gauge. Lord knows, the kind of money most of us can spend these days wouldn't bring many new locomotives to market! So there you have it...love them or hate them, collectors serve a function. Unfortunately, they have run costs up so high that I have to fish for old trains in junk boxes. On the other hand, I craft from parts some items so "rare" that no collector can ever have it on his shelves! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51809	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Flyonel Diesel Engines and Transformers

I have run into a bit of a problem using Flyonel Diesel engines. I recently aquired an American Flyer NIB Northern Pacific set (circa 1992, made by Lionel), put it on the track and it worked, in fact it has all kinds of zip and zoom - except when it starts up. ON start up using a vintage Flyer 7B transformer, it starts with a jerk and starts into a little higher speed than I think it should, and it stops with a jerk as well - no nice slow speed start up to it. The start up voltage on the 7B is aprox 7 volts ac. I felt there should be a smooter start to this, so I connected it to a vintage Lionel transformer which has a start up voltage of 5volts, and voila, a nice smooth start. I tried another Flyonel (PA1) - Silver Flash reproduction, and it started smoothly from the American Flyer 7B transformer. So - Im wondering if there are problems with the electronic e units in some of these sets that Lionel has produced over the years - I remember complaints about the Erie set and its e unit. Are there differenet e units for different years, and are there and upgrades or replacements that I could obtain for the Northern Pacific - or tother ideas on getting a nice slow smooth start. How have others on the group dealt with this problem (assuming that some of us may have experienced the same thing). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51810	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Diesel Engines and Transformers

The e units have changed, but my opinion is that what you are seeing is due to some units having more "free" worm drives. Brand new units are much more jerky than ones that have been run. My NP set behaves almost identical to my silver flash set, but they have about equal run time. I have had to replace the plastic worm on some of them to get smooth operation. I use my TMCC Cab-1 and a TPC to control the voltage and you have the ability to set the stall voltage to match the characteristics of the engines. Good free flyonel, AM and SHS will frequently creep at 7B voltage. There is a much smoother "ramp up" to voltage with the Cab-1. If you really want to change the e-units, then I recommend installing TMCC units as you will not pay much more than you would for a new e-unit and now you have even more precise control. On the Erie sets, my understanding is that these had defective e units, and is in my opinion a different situation than what you are experiencing with the NP and silver flash sets. IF you really want to make them start nice change the nylon worms to the low speed AM worm as recommended on Carl Tuveson's web site, www.tuveson.com <http://www.tuveson.com/> MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Asp Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Diesel Engines and Transformers I have run into a bit of a problem using Flyonel Diesel engines. I recently aquired an American Flyer NIB Northern Pacific set (circa 1992, made by Lionel), put it on the track and it worked, in fact it has all kinds of zip and zoom - except when it starts up. ON start up using a vintage Flyer 7B transformer, it starts with a jerk and starts into a little higher speed than I think it should, and it stops with a jerk as well - no nice slow speed start up to it. The start up voltage on the 7B is aprox 7 volts ac. I felt there should be a smooter start to this, so I connected it to a vintage Lionel transformer which has a start up voltage of 5volts, and voila, a nice smooth start. I tried another Flyonel (PA1) - Silver Flash reproduction, and it started smoothly from the American Flyer 7B transformer. So - Im wondering if there are problems with the electronic e units in some of these sets that Lionel has produced over the years - I remember complaints about the Erie set and its e unit. Are there differenet e units for different years, and are there and upgrades or replacements that I could obtain for the Northern Pacific - or tother ideas on getting a nice slow smooth start. How have others on the group dealt with this problem (assuming that some of us may have experienced the same thing). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51811	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Diesel Engines and Transformers

Larry-your 7B is really a rather small transformer. Try bigger. I use a 30B and my Flyonel works just fine, high speeds and low.-John Marganski   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51812	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines

From what I can see of the coaling station, it looks terrific!! Please send along some more photos as work progresses. Oh, and please include your name so we all know who is doing the modeling. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 1/2/09 7:40 PM, majordadsage at majordadsage@... wrote: > > > > I am putting a link in this message to my webshots. Using my wife's > digital camera, I took some short video's of my layout. I got the > table up today and painted it a light brown dirt color. I wanted so > badly to run the trains. I couldn't resist laying out some track and > getting the steamers out. I am still in the "planning stages" of the > actual layout however, the table is 6'x10'(seems like plenty of > room). There is a scratch built coaling station in the picture. It > is my first effort at anything. It isn't completely finished but, I > thought I would set it out for the "shoot". > > http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3030840550095585101YNmBWS > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51813	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: What a job I had with a 17 B transformer.....

Well I got a new to me - used 17 B transformer off Ebay for cheep. You all should know what that's like. I tested it, but the Volt gauge was not working. So I pulled it all apart. I could tell no one had ripped in to it in years. That was a good thing. I started to look for a wire off the studs inside the gauge. Well the one I could see lose didn't help to get it up, and running. So I took off all the AWG 39 wire, and there was five breaks in the wire. I then rewired the coil with AWG 39 wire - .00353" and it works now! There is only one chip in the case by the jewels on top, but no cracks. The chip is small, and is the part- gard built in to the case for the green jewel side. You can see the chip only if you are looking for it. Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51814	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My Layout & Steam Engines

Concerning the layout & Steam Engines. I forgot to add my name, etc. I appreciate the kind remarks. I joined the group because I thought it would be encouraging. It certainly has been that. I appreciate all of you very much. John in French Lick, IN --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "majordadsage" <majordadsage@...> wrote: > > I am putting a link in this message to my webshots. Using my wife's > digital camera, I took some short video's of my layout. I got the > table up today and painted it a light brown dirt color. I wanted so > badly to run the trains. I couldn't resist laying out some track and > getting the steamers out. I am still in the "planning stages" of the > actual layout however, the table is 6'x10'(seems like plenty of > room). There is a scratch built coaling station in the picture. It > is my first effort at anything. It isn't completely finished but, I > thought I would set it out for the "shoot". > > http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3030840550095585101YNmBWS >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51815	From: preardon4	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: pikemaster turnouts

Help! I'm a grandpa and I've been putting together an AF layout for the kids. I've been building the trackwork with Pikemaster tracks and turnouts and I've managed to aquire some decent locos and a fair number of cars on ebay. Problem I'm having is that the locos do not like the turnouts, and derail on a seemingly random basis when going through them (not when going "straight through" but when "turning"). Hopefully I'm explaining this clearly. The locos I have are 314AW, 343, 293, PA-PB-PA set of Alcos, Baldwin switcher and none seem too happy with the switches. This is frustrating to me, but if I turn the kids loose with this layout, it's going to be impossible for them to deal with. I'm a newbee at Flyer and maybe I've just made a bad choice and should change these out for the 720A type turnout. I have some of these and have tried the 343 through them and it seems to work OK. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Are these Pikemaster turnouts not compatible with the older Flyer engines? Can anyone give me some advice? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance, Pat

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51816	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/4/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51817	From: jhwysopal	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: The joy of trains

A belated seasons greetings to all. This year I set up an operating AF layout in my basement. During the holidays numerous friends, co- workers and acquaitances were invited to bring a child (any age). Watching the expression on a child's face as a smoking Northern rushes by is priceless. I could run three different trains and had many accesories working - talking station, mail pickup, water tower, billboard whistles, baggage smasher, log loader and unloader, barrel and coal loaders and Gabe the lamplighter. Most times the kids like to operate the mail pickup. This year it was second fiddle to the barrel, log and coal loaders. But Gabe was the biggest hit of all! One pre-schooler showed his grandmother his new train set he got for Christmas and explained how similar it was to what he saw except he did not have a "man go up, up, up". Also, this is the first time I had kids more interested in operating the accessories rather than watch the trains run. Just shocking!!!! The delight and joy in the kids faces (and their parents) was worth the effort to put it together. I plan to do another layout next year with different accessories. Oh, one word of warning - DO NOT set up two billboard whistles. Two tykes blew them at the same time. I think I need new hearing aids.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51818	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: pikemaster turnouts

I am sure there are some people who successfully use the Pikemaster turnouts, but my experience about 30 years ago is similar to yours. I purchased some Pikemaster turnouts that were new in the box for what I thought was a bargain so I decided to experiment with them. I concluded that the Pikemaster turnouts were worthless, at least to what I wanted in a model railroad so I sold them for practically nothing, which was probably not much less than what I had paid for them. Today I am close to being a scaler but I stay in the Flyer / highrail market to start young families (cousins) with S gauge trains. For the first time I purchased one of the Thomas the Train sets for one of these families. It looks like this was a good choice for one of the families. I have wondered if these little trains, or a handcar would work with the Pikemaster track and turnouts. Or possibly even the little 4-4-0 steam locos. Those steam locos are practically worthless also except for the Southern loco which has fantastic steam and could be nice for one of these real young families as a first train. Maybe someone who has had success with the Pikemaster track system will give a report on what kind of rolling stock and locomotives they used. - Earl Henry, Nashville ==================== In a message dated 1/3/2009 6:23:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, preardon@... writes: Help! I'm a grandpa and I've been putting together an AF layout for the kids. I've been building the trackwork with Pikemaster tracks and turnouts and I've managed to aquire some decent locos and a fair number of cars on ebay. Problem I'm having is that the locos do not like the turnouts, and derail on a seemingly random basis when going through them (not when going "straight through" but when "turning"). Hopefully I'm explaining this clearly. The locos I have are 314AW, 343, 293, PA-PB-PA set of Alcos, Baldwin switcher and none seem too happy with the switches. This is frustrating to me, but if I turn the kids loose with this layout, it's going to be impossible for them to deal with. I'm a newbee at Flyer and maybe I've just made a bad choice and should change these out for the 720A type turnout. I have some of these and have tried the 343 through them and it seems to work OK. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Are these Pikemaster turnouts not compatible with the older Flyer engines? Can anyone give me some advice? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance, Pat **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51819	From: michael prell	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Re: My layout and steam engines

Right you are about being "over rated", but very nice to have. Although the ceiling's lower than I'd have hoped for, at least it's warm and for Syracuse, NY, that's saying plenty for this time of year. Also, none of the cats can gain get in because of a sturdy door. That and a very good security system makes me feel alright about having a 6by10 work in progress where I can be left alone to play and dream. If I could remodel my garage and winterize the thing, I'd certainly move the "Second Chance" out there, but that ain't about to happen, so......   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:My layout and steam engines To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:20 AM A good start! The coaling tower looks good too. Why not fill up your current table with layout before filling up the rest of your space? It looks like a nice size. If you make a siding that leads off the side or end, you can add another table later and expand! As a former builder of a several big layouts, some outdoors when I was in G scale, I can tell you that the "basement filling empire" is highly over rated! Especially when it comes time to do maintenance, which is more often the bigger the layout is! Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains after all these years [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51820	From: Firewood	Date: 1/3/2009
Subject: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive experience, unlike what I've read about it? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51821	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Had no problems in over 800 buying transactions with PayPal. Only way to Fly. In about 120 MO transactions had problems with two. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Firewood Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive experience, unlike what I've read about it? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51822	From: edhavens@cox.net	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I have had a PayPal account even before eBay bought the financial services company. It has been a positive experience for six years. I am both an eBay buyer and seller. As a seller, I deal in S scale, American Flyer, HO and O scale traction (American trolleys, European trams), HO model trains, and historic American OO model railway equipment. One advantage of PayPal is this: it allows instant payment, which is a better way to program shipment of items to buyers. In other words, I can plan post office trips. Waiting for someone's money order or cashier's check to show up at my post office box is a bit tedious. And I only make a post office trip to clear my P.O. box once a week because it's a 20-mile round trip. There is NO charge for sending money by PayPal. The recipient (in my case as an eBay seller) pays a fee for the electronic transfer but it is not excessive. PayPal also provides you with an online history of your transactions, just as you would find in online banking with your commercial bank or credit union. This can be useful if you have reason to contact a buyer or seller months after a transaction is completed. For example, suppose a seller came across a missing instruction sheet for model train assembly. No problem contacting the original buyer. But if someone sends me a money order, I throw out the mailing envelope with return address just as I would for most 1st class mail. PayPal also makes currency conversion if you're a U.S. eBay buyer wanting to purchase something from, say, Canada, the U.K., or Germany. If you buy things online from Amazon-dot-com, Barnes & Noble, or Wal-Mart and use your credit card, why would you object to using PayPal which is even safer? Once your bank account and credit card information is registered with PayPal on a secure "https" server, it's only for you and PayPal to know. And keyboarding a transaction -- whether eBay or private, non-eBay -- is a lot easier with PayPal than sitting down to write a check, enclose a letter, address an envelope and find a stamp, not to mention taking it to a postal drop. Acquiring PayPal was a logical extension of eBay's business. As an eBay seller, I have not listed money order or cashier's check payment options for months and only will take them as a last resort. As an eBay shipper, I find US Postal Service almost 100% reliable, by the way. I can't say the same for the parcel services. With Priority Mail, I can get tracking and postal insurance for a customer. The only time I had a problem was when airlines were grounding fleets for safety inspections and mail was piling up at airports. In that instance, instead of 2 to 3 day delivery, a Tucson to San Diego parcel took 10 days to arrive even though it was Priority Mail. USPS ships all long distance mail space available in cargo holds. That also applies to First Class International Package rate which I use for eBay shipments to Canada and the United Kingdom. That's a brief overview from an eBay seller perspective. I haven't been following the PayPal thread so I'm not sure what the objections are, but if you're not afraid of today's communications technology, PayPal certainly works a lot better than "snail mail" for monetary transfers. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz. ---- Firewood <fahrwud@...> wrote: > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51823	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

and he notes - More than likely it's the seller who specified the PayPal requirement as eBay is currently not enforcing the "No Paper" rule. PayPal is free to the buyer and IMHO is a positive experience, despite what the critics say. I've used it for years without a problem. Raleigh in chilly Maine At 11:27 PM 1/3/2009, Firewood wrote: >Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that >money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't >allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... >Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive >experience, unlike what I've read about it? >Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51824	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51825	From: John Sage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: The joy of trains

What a wonderful gesture.  I am sure that the parents/grandparents and the children took some wonderful memories home.    You must have quite a collection??  Is the layout still up?  If so, could you possibly post some pictures?    John in French Lick --- On Sat, 1/3/09, jhwysopal <jhw749@...> wrote: From: jhwysopal <jhw749@...> Subject: [S-Trains] The joy of trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 8:39 PM A belated seasons greetings to all. This year I set up an operating AF layout in my basement. During the holidays numerous friends, co- workers and acquaitances were invited to bring a child (any age). Watching the expression on a child's face as a smoking Northern rushes by is priceless. I could run three different trains and had many accesories working - talking station, mail pickup, water tower, billboard whistles, baggage smasher, log loader and unloader, barrel and coal loaders and Gabe the lamplighter. Most times the kids like to operate the mail pickup. This year it was second fiddle to the barrel, log and coal loaders. But Gabe was the biggest hit of all! One pre-schooler showed his grandmother his new train set he got for Christmas and explained how similar it was to what he saw except he did not have a "man go up, up, up". Also, this is the first time I had kids more interested in operating the accessories rather than watch the trains run. Just shocking!!!! The delight and joy in the kids faces (and their parents) was worth the effort to put it together. I plan to do another layout next year with different accessories. Oh, one word of warning - DO NOT set up two billboard whistles. Two tykes blew them at the same time. I think I need new hearing aids. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51826	From: John Sage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I am sure they have good reason.  There have been so many "scams" on ebay.  It might be part of their security.    My son did a lot of selling on Ebay a few years ago.  He was adament about buyers having a "verified" account with PayPal.    I don't enjoy Ebay as much as I did a few years ago.    John in French Lick --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Firewood <fahrwud@...> wrote: From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:27 PM Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... Please excuse this venting..... .but is Paypal actually a positive experience, unlike what I've read about it? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51827	From: John	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Dave I have been using PayPal for years. Some sites I buy from, non Ebay, will accept PayPal You just set up an account via PayPal and fill out your banking & shipping information. PayPal will email you the transaction information. You only enter your banking information on the PayPal site. If I remember correctly, Eric R. on this train group accepted PayPal then I bought rolling stock from him and had no problems with the transaction. I think they also offer purchace protection simular to a credit card.. So far I have been happy using it. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firewood" <fahrwud@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51828	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Has anyone scratchbuilt a water tower? I would like to try my hand at it. Any plans, material list, etc. would be appreciated. If you know where a kit (reasonably priced) is available, that would be an option as well. John in French Lick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51829	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pikemaster turnouts

Dear Pat, According to Jay, our S scale dentist Jay, our switchers all negotiate the sharp Pikemaster curves and switchtes. I am pretty sure A.C.Gilbert Co. had to redesign some of the diesels to negotiate the sharp curves by changing the steps. Don of SHS On Jan 3, 2009, at 6:57 PM, preardon4 wrote: > Help! > > ...I've been building the trackwork with Pikemaster tracks and > turnouts and I've managed to aquire some decent locos and a fair > number of cars on ebay. Problem I'm having is that the locos do not > like the turnouts > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51830	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

NOOOOO...its a RIPOFF....PERIOD.....I wont use it or deal with it under any circumstances --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Firewood" <fahrwud@...> wrote:﷯﷯ >﷯﷯ > ﷯﷯ > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that ﷯﷯ > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't ﷯﷯ > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug.....﷯﷯ > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive ﷯﷯ > experience, unlike what I've read about it?﷯﷯ > Dave﷯﷯ >﷯﷯

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51831	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Pikemaster turnouts

I do micro layouts in On30, so I thought sharper radius curves and turnouts would be workable in S gauge. So some years ago, I bought a bunch of Pikemaster track. It looks more realistic than regular Flyer track, has 15" rdius curves and was REAL cheap! Then I found out why it was cheap... I think that most American Flyer locomotives aren't made to go around tight curves like Pikemaster. As far as I know, the Casey Jones 4-4-0, the Atlantic 4-4-2, and modified Baldwin diesl switchers were the only engines used in Pikemaster sets. Mostly the Casey Jones, itself a piece of junk. The problem is that the bigger locos have a too long wheelbase or the trucks don't swing far enough to stay on the track. I tried everything with the Pikemaster track to make it work and was finally able to tweak it to work with a few other steam locos, but I had continual problems with it. The turnouts are especially bad, not only the curvature, but the quality. If you haven't torn all your hair out yet, save yourself from baldness and rep[lace those Pikemaster turnouts! You might be better off to get rid of all of that Pikemaster track. Stumpy Stone...again with a full head of hair...Martins Ferry, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51832	From: The Reardon's	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: PayPal

Hi Firewood, I have about 650 ebay transactions. Paypal has helped me with a bad transaction (unlike the money order route where I have been "burned" three times). I stopped using any other form of payment over a year ago, and I've had nothing but good experiences with PayPal. I also use it for non-ebay transactions on the internet. (I do agree that I don't like being forced into anything, but, this has worked for me) Pat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51833	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: The value of a name...

Stumpy, I attended a NRMA show in Oaks, Pa. yesterday and a man was commenting to his wife(assumed) as he was passing by a table with really pristine Flyer (Gary Clark's display}"This is the cheap stuff Lionel is the good stuff." Sorta made me annoyed that someone would make a comment to a person without being truly informed. If one took time to look over that table he passed by he would realize there is a lot of Flyer that seems to command higher pricing. Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The following comments are about Lionel in the O gauge three rail > market, however you might spot similarities to our area of interest. > Since Lionel "returned" in the MPC era, the price of most of their > offerings was set by the prices of Postwar Lionel in the collector > market rather than by actual costs. Since they were using the same dies > and molds they have had since the fifties, the profit margin was high. > Other manufacturers used this as a guide when they entered the market > that was largely Lionel's at that time. Williams, Weaver, and MTH > appeared because there was money to be made in O gauge trains. > Eventually Atlas, an N and HO manufacturer who had never shown any > interest in "non-scale" trains, jumped into the market. > Because collectors showed themselves willing to pay exorbidant prices > for toy trains,the manufacturers were there and the prices climbed > continually. > However, things have changed. Competition made it impossible to rerun > the same postwar trains and the O Gauge three rail market is now > glutted with overpriced product! But Lionel is still a powerhouse of > name recognition! Notice MTH is going to repro old Lionel and Flyer > tin for Standard Gauge collectors, so there must be plenty of money in > these hard times. > Stumpy Stone...watching it all from the hobby shop for a long time. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51834	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Because of my location, I do some mail order, and have since the days when postal mail was the only game in town. Some years ago when PayPal started, I had a very bad experiance with them double charging my account and it took months to straighten out. I stayed away for many years. I got back with PayPal again only about a year and a half ago. It is just as easy as running my Visa card through a machine at a store, which is the intent. You have the same pros and cons as using a credit card of course, but problems with them are much easier to deal with now, about the same as a regular credit card. Do I agree with them forcing you to use Paypal only when on Ebay? No! If the buyer and seller agree, you should be allowed to use money orders, bank checks, regular credit cards, or Paypal! Choice is the basis of America. But Paypal is a workable way to do business on the internet. Stumpy Stone...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51835	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Dave,   I felt like you a long time ago before I had a PayPal account. I did not like putting my "information" somewhere that I did not control but eventually I did and I am glad for it.   PayPal is accepted a lot more places than ebay and I appreciate the protection they offer the buyer. As posted earlier, I was ripped off by a "power seller" on ebay that would not accept PayPal when I purchased a 312. They only accepted MOs. I now understand why. First, I had to pay extra for the MO. Then I had to mail it, postage cost is extra. After they made sure they had my money, then they shipped the loco, almost a month after I paid for it. The loco arrived with a broken frame, cracked where the boiler screw lugs attach to the driver mechanism. It also had a sheared drawbar screw, a broken Link coupler, and the ladder on the tender was broken.   The packed the loco and tender against each other with no padding between them and a tiny bit of newspaper on the ends to keep it from sliding. When I contacted them about the loco, I was told that I failed to get the insurance for protection. I didn't want money, I wanted a loco. True, I was partially responsible but I figured that "antique dealers" with 5000 ebay sales would know how to pack something.   I had no protection from these thieves. They basically told me to pound sand where the sun doesn't shine and I lost $100.00. If it were PayPal, All I needed to do would be to ship the item back, provide proof that it was delivered, and I would have gotten a full refund. Usually, reputable dealers will negotiate a reasonable agreement when something is damaged and the return will not be necessary. These thieves knew exactly what they were doing. The only recourse for me was to file a complaint with the Postmaster General and charge them with mail fraud. They obviously had no fear of me, a working stiff, and actually told me their lawyer would make me regret it. So I did the only thing left. I posted negative feedback. They retaliated and posted that I was a scammer. Up to that point, I had never received negative feedback.   PayPal has never been anything but a good thing for me and up until ebay made PayPal mandatory, I refused to buy from anyone that did not take PayPal or was not a TCA member.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Firewood <fahrwud@...> wrote: From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:27 PM Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive experience, unlike what I've read about it? Dave ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51836	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Paypal

I/we have experienced the down side of Paypal. We (SnS Trains) set up a paypal account in 1999 or 2000 for use on ebay. One day I went to sweep the account and there was nothing there to sweep. Someone had broken in and cleaned us out. We never recovered anything of it. We canceled all doings with Paypal and have not used them since. maybe things have improved since the "olden days". They don't make us use it, and we still have not to date. Maybe it is time to look into it again. It would be nice if it is honestly run and burglar proof now. Steve SnS Trains Boise **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51837	From: Firewood	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Thanks for all the opinions, gang. I appreciate the info very much. Yes, the fact that Ebay limits one's choice of payment is what I find annoying. I do everything else on line, so I may as well join......grudgingly. Thanks again all, Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51838	From: John Metzger	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year

Happy New Year to all in "S"-Trains Yahoo Group.  From John F. Metzger,RN.  (johnm63379)  ________________________________ From: barb <rcespeak@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 10:03:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Happy New Year Hi to all, Happy New Year to y'all. I hope the year is filled with trains and more trains. I know it will be for me. The new train house is nearing completion. I expect to start reassembling the layout later this month. I wish you all health, happiness and dreams that come true. Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51839	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Edward wrote: "NOOOOO...its a RIPOFF....PERIOD.....I wont use it or deal with it under any circumstances" > Why do you say that Edward? Just curious. As I said before, I LOVE PayPal as a buyer. You have THREE options how to pay: #1 - You can have money in your PayPal account #2 - Use your checking account #3 - Or, if no money in either account, it can go on your credit card. I've never had a problem, knock on wood. Rick. > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51840	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Hi John and others: I always hear these scare stories about Paypal but have had ZERO issues with them. I have probably done over 300 transactions that have gone through paypal and they all worked cleanly, both buying and selling. I have bought from Doug at Portlines, and a couple of large Electronics and Photo firms also through Paypal without issues. I mentioned before that I was skeptical when I first set up my Paypal account and opened a totally separate checking account in a different local bank for "train" money. With this account came a debit Visa card which I used as the credit card to tie to the account. This has worked very cleanly for the last 8 or so years. If the paypal goes to $0 it just pulls from the checking account. I just make sure of the minimum balance there. I am sure there are outside reasons for Ebay/Paypal to start these new rules as I am sure the IRS and State sales tax people are after them to start collecting somehow but that's for another day. HAPPY NEW YEAR 2009 Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off Dave I have been using PayPal for years. Some sites I buy from, non Ebay, will accept PayPal You just set up an account via PayPal and fill out your banking & shipping information. PayPal will email you the transaction information. You only enter your banking information on the PayPal site. If I remember correctly, Eric R. on this train group accepted PayPal then I bought rolling stock from him and had no problems with the transaction. I think they also offer purchace protection simular to a credit card.. So far I have been happy using it. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firewood" <fahrwud@... <mailto:fahrwud%40yahoo.com> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51841	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts

Hi Stumpy, I have a question for you on the P/M track. Is the track that is used on the panel sets the same as the other P/M track in shape, and radius? Did they make more the two radius P/M tracks? I have a few of the straight that came with some stuff off Ebay that I picked up. I do like the way it looks. I went in to pick up more P/M track, but on Ebay the price shot up. I have not picked up any more. Was there any testing that we know of that A.C. did before this track went to the market place. I know this came out at the end of the line for them, and I think they had to make a move to the cheeper way of doing things at the end to see if they could save Flyer. Was not A.C. died by now, and the wife was running the works? Do any of you know off hand? I think that was in the book I read years, and years back. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:46 AM > I do micro layouts in On30, so I thought sharper radius > curves and > turnouts would be workable in S gauge. So some years ago, > I bought a > bunch of Pikemaster track. It looks more realistic than > regular Flyer > track, has 15" rdius curves and was REAL cheap! Then > I found out why > it was cheap... > I think that most American Flyer locomotives aren't > made to go around > tight curves like Pikemaster. As far as I know, the Casey > Jones 4-4-0, > the Atlantic 4-4-2, and modified Baldwin diesl switchers > were the only > engines used in Pikemaster sets. Mostly the Casey Jones, > itself a > piece of junk. > The problem is that the bigger locos have a too long > wheelbase or the > trucks don't swing far enough to stay on the track. > I tried everything with the Pikemaster track to make it > work and was > finally able to tweak it to work with a few other steam > locos, but I > had continual problems with it. The turnouts are > especially bad, not > only the curvature, but the quality. > If you haven't torn all your hair out yet, save > yourself from baldness > and rep[lace those Pikemaster turnouts! You might be > better off to get > rid of all of that Pikemaster track. > Stumpy Stone...again with a full head of hair...Martins > Ferry, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51842	From: michael prell	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I guess it all boils down to just exactly how much one wants the item that one's interested in obtaining. Since the big E seems to be the sandbox to go to these days and sets its rules, then aren't we all stuck with playing their game. That's life, I guess.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Firewood <fahrwud@...> wrote: From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:27 PM Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... Please excuse this venting..... .but is Paypal actually a positive experience, unlike what I've read about it? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51843	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Nick Kulp wrote: "...I figured that 'antique dealers' with 5000 ebay sales would know how to pack something." I think it's fair for an eBay auction winner or Buy-It-Now purchaser to ask the seller (me, for example) how the item will be packed for shipment. Simply send a message to the seller before sending payment. If he, she or them are waiting for their money, they should reply promptly. American Flyer (and other large scale items, 1/48 O, for example) require special treatment because of their weight if locomotives or diecast metal rolling stock is involved. Here's how I do it, should you contemplate shipping A.F. items: Buy at retail -- from your local mailing supply store -- or reuse a cardboard shipping carton larger than the item so there will be cushion room on all sides. If the item does not come in its original box (and most vintage A.F. equipment doesn't), wrap it in small-bubble bubble wrap all the way around. Next, take scrap shipping carton cardboard and cut strips slightly larger than the item being mailed. Cut them out with a razor blade, scoring on both sides and snapping, much like working with styrene in model railroading assembly. (You can buy a supply of industrial grade razor blades from your local hardware store chain, such as Ace Hardware.) Place the cardboard strips on the outer sides of the item and secure with Scotch Packaging Tape. I only use the 3M product -- it's better than the discount brands you'll find at drug stores or discounters such as "Wally World." Reinforce the bottom of the shipping carton with a rectangle or square of scrap cardboard. Apply a layer of styrofoam packing peanuts over the bottom of the carton. Place the locomotive, car or A.F. accessory on top of this layer. Then fill the space around the sides and ends of the item with more peanuts up to near the top of the box. Add a second rectangle or or square of scrap shipping cardboard just below the shipping carton box flaps. Place packing list or return address on top of this. Seal flaps with Scotch Packaging Tape, running the tape around the outside of the shipping carton at least two times. Add additional tape where merited on the outside of the carton, lengthwise or up and down. If using a preprinted label, affix it to the carton with Scotch Packaging Tape, clear version. Now you're ready to go to the post office. If the item being shipped is "fragile," tell the postal clerk. It will be treated differently than regular parcels. Ship with Priority Mail, delivery confirmation. You'll be able to track the arrival of the package online through the USPS website. And the buyer will get it within 2-3 days in most instances. Encourage the buyer to purchase postal insurance. And tell them in your eBay listing you will not be responsible for loss or damage in transit if they decline insurance. Insurance will not replace a broken item but at least you can recoup the loss and refund the buyer's money if some mishap occurs during the item's journey. That's a primer on my method of packaging and shipping A.F. or other S scale items. Among some eBay and commercial non-eBay sellers, there is a trend toward using low cost air bags or crushed brown wrapping paper to line a shipping carton. These are not necessarily the best for shipping model railway equipment with delicate detail. At all cost, avoid reusing made-in-China shipping cartons. They are made of inferior grade cardstock and do not stand up to shipping mishaps. In this case, made-in-USA is best. American paper products producers manufacture superior shipping carton cardboard. This is one area, at least, where American industry still shines. But I must hasten to add that in model railway equipment in S and other scales, the industrial engineering of China often is exceptional. The SHS Showcase Line in 3/16" S scale is an example of how marvelous it can be. Firms in China that manufacture model railway equipment for U.S. importers, such as SHS, generally have high grade industrial quality control. In the U.S. quality control generally seems limited to high tech applications, such as computer chip manufacturing. Ever try to assemble one of those pressed board furniture kits made in USA? You're lucky if the screws or tabs align. In today's world, you get the quality you pay for. Which brings me to my final point. Buyers on eBay often are concerned about shipping costs. It's not just limited to the actual rate through U.S. Postal Service, United Parcel Service or FedEx. You have to take into account what the seller paid to buy shipping cartons and packing supplies. They do not come cheap. If you want your item delivered in one piece without damage, credit the eBay seller who went to the time and expense to pack it correctly. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Dave, >   > I felt like you a long time ago before I had a PayPal account. I did not like putting my "information" somewhere that I did not control but eventually I did and I am glad for it. >   > PayPal is accepted a lot more places than ebay and I appreciate the protection they offer the buyer. As posted earlier, I was ripped off by a "power seller" on ebay that would not accept PayPal when I purchased a 312. They only accepted MOs. I now understand why. First, I had to pay extra for the MO. Then I had to mail it, postage cost is extra. After they made sure they had my money, then they shipped the loco, almost a month after I paid for it. The loco arrived with a broken frame, cracked where the boiler screw lugs attach to the driver mechanism. It also had a sheared drawbar screw, a broken Link coupler, and the ladder on the tender was broken. >   > The packed the loco and tender against each other with no padding between them and a tiny bit of newspaper on the ends to keep it from sliding. When I contacted them about the loco, I was told that I failed to get the insurance for protection. I didn't want money, I wanted a loco. True, I was partially responsible but I figured that "antique dealers" with 5000 ebay sales would know how to pack something. >   > I had no protection from these thieves. They basically told me to pound sand where the sun doesn't shine and I lost $100.00. If it were PayPal, All I needed to do would be to ship the item back, provide proof that it was delivered, and I would have gotten a full refund. Usually, reputable dealers will negotiate a reasonable agreement when something is damaged and the return will not be necessary. These thieves knew exactly what they were doing. The only recourse for me was to file a complaint with the Postmaster General and charge them with mail fraud. They obviously had no fear of me, a working stiff, and actually told me their lawyer would make me regret it. So I did the only thing left. I posted negative feedback. They retaliated and posted that I was a scammer. Up to that point, I had never received negative feedback. >   > PayPal has never been anything but a good thing for me and up until ebay made PayPal mandatory, I refused to buy from anyone that did not take PayPal or was not a TCA member. >   > Regards, > Nick Kulp > > --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Firewood <fahrwud@...> wrote: > > From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:27 PM > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51844	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/558501077/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&&count=20&dir=asc Photos of water tower construction from start to finish with a photo of telephone poles from a kit thrown in. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: majordadsage To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Scratchbuilt Water Tower Has anyone scratchbuilt a water tower? I would like to try my hand at it. Any plans, material list, etc. would be appreciated. If you know where a kit (reasonably priced) is available, that would be an option as well. John in French Lick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51845	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/558501077/pic/list I started to put pictures of my work on the water tower I built in Dec 2007. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: majordadsage To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Scratchbuilt Water Tower Has anyone scratchbuilt a water tower? I would like to try my hand at it. Any plans, material list, etc. would be appreciated. If you know where a kit (reasonably priced) is available, that would be an option as well. John in French Lick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51846	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51847	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Yes, I have, last December 2007. I got a kit from Lehigh Models in PA. I have never built a kit like this before, as I consider myself not very skillful in doing something like this. But you know what, I got it made! It was quite fun and yet I had to deal with issues as I worked it out. My advice, is take your time, have the proper tools and paint, do not too much at one time and you will be fine. The most difficult part was the bending of the wood for the tank and attaching the fishing line they gave you for the tank bands. I am actually quite proud of that water tank. I think making a water tower is probably one of the more difficult kits to make due to the tank. But it can be done. I will post pictures. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: majordadsage To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Scratchbuilt Water Tower Has anyone scratchbuilt a water tower? I would like to try my hand at it. Any plans, material list, etc. would be appreciated. If you know where a kit (reasonably priced) is available, that would be an option as well. John in French Lick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51848	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

So help me understand the nature of the ripoff? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward G. Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off NOOOOO...its a RIPOFF....PERIOD.....I wont use it or deal with it under any circumstances --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Firewood" <fahrwud@...> wrote:﷯﷯ >﷯﷯ > ﷯﷯ > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that ﷯﷯ > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't ﷯﷯ > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug.....﷯﷯ > Please excuse this venting......but is Paypal actually a positive ﷯﷯ > experience, unlike what I've read about it?﷯﷯ > Dave﷯﷯ >﷯﷯ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51849	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

In a message dated 1/4/2009 2:12:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it Paypal is undoubtedly the various State & Federal govt's means of collecting taxes from both buyers and sellers. Obviously millions of dollars are lost every year in taxable income/costs. Had to happen. Pennsylvania is forcing Ebay sellers who sell FOR OTHERS to become licensed auctioneers, so they can then be FORCED to take classes every other year (run by private operators at an obvious profit) and pay licensing fees to the state, in addition to taxes on income and sales. Doubtful the "ultra rich" use Paypal much. Jim Lyle **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51850	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Yes, indeed I have a water tank partially built. Working from drawings, I cut a section of PVC pipe to the appropriate diameter(use a square and a marking pen to trace a circle where the cut is to be made). The idea of course is to have a cylinder of perfect length all around. Then after the pipe was cut to length, I made a single vertical line (again with the help of a square). This line is the starting point for the first stave. Looking at drawings of the tank of your choice, cut strip wood or styrene strips of proper width to length. Now begin gluing the strips to the starting line. You have to be patient here and not leave gaps between strips. When you get back to where you started, you may have to cut a small filler piece if the space is larger or smaller than for the rest of the staves. Now for the difficult part, You have to determine where the bands go. Again, a drawing will help. Many folks use mono- filament fishing line for the bands. You will have to find the proper diameter to use. I don't recall what I used. Determine where the turn buckles will go, and make a small mark at the two outside edges for each. Now drill a hole in at each mark large enough for the line to go through. Finally, begin running the line through the holes from the outside in tying them off on the inside with a knot. The idea here is to run line from each outside hole of one turnbuckle to the one closest to it. You don't want the same piece of line going into the two hole for the same turnbuckle. You wind up with what looks like a bunch of stiches on the inside surface. Don't forget the bands get closer together as you go down the tank body. That is because the combined weight of the water increases toward the bottom (simple physics). I can't recommend which casting to use for the turnbuckles themselves, but I'm sure someone here has an idea. Sorry if this is long winded, but it is how I did mine. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51851	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts

Pat, One thing you'll find is that pikemaster curves are sharper than standard flyer curves, and most AF equipment does not like them. Also, pikemaster switches appear to be junk! I had not had any experience with them until this year when I finally set up a layout board I had "inherited" in a train deal. It's two loops with four pikemaster switches connecting them. I've fiddle with them, heated the plastic and straightened them, and still nothing goes through them smoothly; not even my Flyonel docksider (although it will go through on the straights--roughly). Maybe when they were new, and the plastic hadn't shrunk any, nor warped, they might have worked OK. But, they are so flimsy that I doubt they ever stayed in good operating condition. I know the plastic has changed dimensionally, as the ties that were nailed to the board have all been warped. The nails didn't move, so the plastic must have. This is the first time I've noted this phenomena, have others? And does the fiber tie version have similar problems? S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51852	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Diesel Engines

My NP set also does this--so badly, it derails the passenger cars if I start the train with them in a curve. I haven't dug into them to do anything about it , but my intention was to use the same trick I use on the Gilbert Baldwins, which also "jackrabbit" start. What I do (state secret revealed here!) is buy a rectifier chip from Radio Sh**. I unsolder the green wire (Don't have an engine handy, think that's the one) that goes directly to the motor from one of the power trucks. I take the chip and solder the DC output leads together; then solder the wire to one lead, and solder the other lead to the truck (Last one I did was years ago, probably the wire goes to the truck, and the lead to motor so it can also hold the chip in place.). Put the chip where it won't be near the body, as it will get warm. What this does, is to reduce current to the motor by about 2 volts. On the Baldwin, it is important to leave the reverse unit wired directly to the trucks, so it will get full voltage and cycle. Now your Baldwin will cycle the reverse unit before jumping down the track a bit. For the NP unit, I figured I'd just do this to the wire going to one truck, and reduce current to everything, as the electronic unit doesn't need the "ump" to cycle. I haven't done this yet, but it SHOULD work. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51853	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Ebay has officially ticked me off

My problem came in on SALES!!!!! For years I have used paypal for buying.... No problems.... Recently I sold an item for 700.00.... I recieved a note from them.... either join or they would send my money back to the buyer!!!! Hello.... I have all my info on file with them... Checking account etc..... But they wanted me to sign up for a seller? deal at about 5% of each sale and so much a month? DUH!!!!!! Gotta be someway to work around this.... Sell in small amounts??? Add extra fee to cover thier cost??? Ideas????? Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51854	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts

It may be a shock to those who believe that everything toy trainswise was made in America, until Marx Lionel and MTH outsourced their products to foreign manufacturers, but I believe the Pikemaster track was made overseas. It bears a remarkable similarity to the S gauge track made by East German toymakers from the 1950's through to the 1960's. The All Aboard modules were made overseas anyway. At that Gilbert was only going back to the practice of the Big Three prior to WW1 (and possibly later) when some accessories and rolling stock was bought from Germany. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Dewey Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:04 AM To: s-trains list Subject: [S-Trains] Re: pike master turnouts Pat, One thing you'll find is that pikemaster curves are sharper than standard flyer curves, and most AF equipment does not like them. Also, pikemaster switches appear to be junk! I had not had any experience with them until this year when I finally set up a layout board I had "inherited" in a train deal. It's two loops with four pikemaster switches connecting them. I've fiddle with them, heated the plastic and straightened them, and still nothing goes through them smoothly; not even my Flyonel docksider (although it will go through on the straights--roughly). Maybe when they were new, and the plastic hadn't shrunk any, nor warped, they might have worked OK. But, they are so flimsy that I doubt they ever stayed in good operating condition. I know the plastic has changed dimensionally, as the ties that were nailed to the board have all been warped. The nails didn't move, so the plastic must have. This is the first time I've noted this phenomena, have others? And does the fiber tie version have similar problems? S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51855	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Mike; Very nice work on the water tower!! I built one of those LVH kits as well. While it was kind of tedious in some spots, as you pointed out, it was mostly enjoyable and very satisfying to see the finished result. Only problem with mine is that I originally built it at the height for narrow gauge equipment but now am using it for standard gauge. So I have to use some ³concrete² props to bring it back up to the proper height for a standard gauge steam tender. Roy on 1/4/09 10:26 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/558501077/pic/list > > I started to put pictures of my work on the water tower I built in Dec 2007. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: majordadsage > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:32 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Scratchbuilt Water Tower > > Has anyone scratchbuilt a water tower? I would like to try my hand at > it. Any plans, material list, etc. would be appreciated. If you know > where a kit (reasonably priced) is available, that would be an option > as well. > > John in French Lick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51856	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/lvm/lvm.html This URL will get you to Lehigh Valley Models and two water towers, one at $30 and one at $35. Hope that's reasonable enough. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51857	From: Les Mavor	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > I/we have experienced the down side of Paypal. We (SnS Trains) set up a > paypal account in 1999 or 2000 for use on ebay. One day I went to sweep the > account and there was nothing there to sweep. Someone had broken in and cleaned us > out. We never recovered anything of it. We canceled all doings with Paypal > and have not used them since. maybe things have improved since the "olden > days". They don't make us use it, and we still have not to date. Maybe it is time > to look into it again. It would be nice if it is honestly run and burglar > proof now. > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise Steve, I'm sorry to hear of your bad experience. We use PayPal for about half our mail order business, and also for many of our dealers that buy from us, and it has served us well for many years. I agree that you have to protect your password, and since we do business thru there in the $'000s, I clean it out regularly. Buyers also get a level of comfort, knowing that there is a good tracking system for their payments and that, as PayPal users, we are not a fly-by-night operation. As a retired banker, I cannot cite a better way of moving payments around the world quickly, easily, inexpensively and (yes) safely. Les Mavor, www.sceniking.com > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51858	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Easy Mike.... When you go to get your $$ they will charge you $1.00 to take it out via ATM... Nothing if you use it to pay for another item you buy on E-Bay or send the $ to others (but they get charged).... Mike In a message dated 1/4/2009 11:12:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting..... Please excuse this venting.....<WBR>. > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51859	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Now hang on Jim, how does Pennsylvania forcing eBay sellers who sell for others to become licensed Auctioneers amount to PayPal collecting taxes for State or Federal authorities? You hit on a major reason for the reluctant minority not to use PayPal - they THINK the IRS is going to ping them. But since they are all honest citizens who would not avoid paying their just taxes their reluctance is not understandable. And in any case if the IRS are going to audit you that closely they will check your bank accounts first - and that's where much of your money in any form is likely to pass through anyway. And just a little note on choices. Choices usually end up as a lack of regulation and that's what has caused the Global Economic Crisis. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WJJIM@... Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off In a message dated 1/4/2009 2:12:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> com writes: but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it Paypal is undoubtedly the various State & Federal govt's means of collecting taxes from both buyers and sellers. Obviously millions of dollars are lost every year in taxable income/costs. Had to happen. Pennsylvania is forcing Ebay sellers who sell FOR OTHERS to become licensed auctioneers, so they can then be FORCED to take classes every other year (run by private operators at an obvious profit) and pay licensing fees to the state, in addition to taxes on income and sales. Doubtful the "ultra rich" use Paypal much. Jim Lyle **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026> com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51860	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts

Clayton, I suspect the only testing that went on with the P/M track was the accountants saying we can get this cheaper track from Spain/Mexico/Germany? So why make our own? Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts Hi Stumpy, I have a question for you on the P/M track. Is the track that is used on the panel sets the same as the other P/M track in shape, and radius? Did they make more the two radius P/M tracks? I have a few of the straight that came with some stuff off Ebay that I picked up. I do like the way it looks. I went in to pick up more P/M track, but on Ebay the price shot up. I have not picked up any more. Was there any testing that we know of that A.C. did before this track went to the market place. I know this came out at the end of the line for them, and I think they had to make a move to the cheeper way of doing things at the end to see if they could save Flyer. Was not A.C. died by now, and the wife was running the works? Do any of you know off hand? I think that was in the book I read years, and years back. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:46 AM > I do micro layouts in On30, so I thought sharper radius > curves and > turnouts would be workable in S gauge. So some years ago, > I bought a > bunch of Pikemaster track. It looks more realistic than > regular Flyer > track, has 15" rdius curves and was REAL cheap! Then > I found out why > it was cheap... > I think that most American Flyer locomotives aren't > made to go around > tight curves like Pikemaster. As far as I know, the Casey > Jones 4-4-0, > the Atlantic 4-4-2, and modified Baldwin diesl switchers > were the only > engines used in Pikemaster sets. Mostly the Casey Jones, > itself a > piece of junk. > The problem is that the bigger locos have a too long > wheelbase or the > trucks don't swing far enough to stay on the track. > I tried everything with the Pikemaster track to make it > work and was > finally able to tweak it to work with a few other steam > locos, but I > had continual problems with it. The turnouts are > especially bad, not > only the curvature, but the quality. > If you haven't torn all your hair out yet, save > yourself from baldness > and rep[lace those Pikemaster turnouts! You might be > better off to get > rid of all of that Pikemaster track. > Stumpy Stone...again with a full head of hair...Martins > Ferry, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51861	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I think it was here in S trains some one mentioned about another group for selling on line.   May be I did not delete it.   I will start looking, but maybe some one else remembers the site. --- On Sun, 1/4/09, rcon7@... <rcon7@...> wrote: From: rcon7@... <rcon7@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:59 PM My problem came in on SALES!!!!! For years I have used paypal for buying.... No problems.... Recently I sold an item for 700.00.... I recieved a note from them.... either join or they would send my money back to the buyer!!!! Hello.... I have all my info on file with them... Checking account etc..... But they wanted me to sign up for a seller? deal at about 5% of each sale and so much a month? DUH!!!!!! Gotta be someway to work around this.... Sell in small amounts??? Add extra fee to cover thier cost??? Ideas????? Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51862	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Ya there is DONT USE THEM ...BOYCOTT ...Go to other web sites...Craigs list is FREE...and is viewed by far more people .....PAYPAL IS A RIPOFF.....PERIOD.... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rcon7@... wrote: > > My problem came in on SALES!!!!! For years I have used paypal for buying.... No problems.... Recently I sold an item for 700.00.... I recieved a note from them.... either join or they would send my money back to the buyer!!!! Hello.... I have all my info on file with them... Checking account etc..... But they wanted me to sign up for a seller? deal at about 5% of each sale and so much a month? DUH!!!!!! Gotta be someway to work around this.... Sell in small amounts??? Add extra fee to cover thier cost??? Ideas????? Bob Conner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51863	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Another S gauge book online

I keep getting the message of no being allowed to " THAT " site. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Another S gauge book online To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 5:59 AM "For People Who Have Always Wanted The Perfect Model Railroad Layout But Don't Know How To Start!" *FREE For A Limited Time* Visit here - http://www.modelrai lroadlayout. net/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51864	From: Glenn	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: WORLD'S GREATEST HOBBY ON TOUR

This is the "World's Greatest Hobby on Tour" January 3, 2009 in Oaks, PA http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/WGH10308.html This is a new Philadelphia Area EXPO Center. Not well located for highway access. It took 2 hours to go 4 miles. The new Expo Center has parking for 5,000 cars but 30,000 people tried and eventually got in. Over 12 operating layouts. Good friends like Don & Robin Thompson, Gary Clark, Pennsylvania Heritage Models and the other dealers like MTH, Walthers, Atlas, Athearn, etc. Not many dealers like a Greenberg Show or GATS. Surprised to see a lady selling beads to raise money for Africa and a toy car dealer with no trains. Sorry I missed you Barry. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Jamison Stumpy, I attended a NRMA show in Oaks, Pa. yesterday and a man was commenting to his wife(assumed) as he was passing by a table with really pristine Flyer (Gary Clark's display}"This is the cheap stuff Lionel is the good stuff." Sorta made me annoyed that someone would make a comment to a person without being truly informed. If one took time to look over that table he passed by he would realize there is a lot of Flyer that seems to command higher pricing. Barry Jamison . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51865	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

OK, I'm confused here. I have been on Paypal for 8 years. Mike: Are you saying when you go into your paypal report "my account" which shows your transactions there is a $0.00 in the Fee column near the right? in a FROM transaction? I look at one of mine where I got a payment of $40.00 gross and a fee of $1.46 for a listed net amount of $38.54 recieved. A fee of about 3.7%. I have not tried to take Paypal money out of an ATM as I don't have a paypal card but I have Never been charged for transferring $ to my bank account although it does take a couple of days. Eric Kenmore, Wa. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off Easy Mike.... When you go to get your $$ they will charge you $1.00 to take it out via ATM... Nothing if you use it to pay for another item you buy on E-Bay or send the $ to others (but they get charged).... Mike In a message dated 1/4/2009 11:12:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> writes: I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting..... Please excuse this venting.....<WBR>. > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ <http://S-Scale.http:/S-Scale._> (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51866	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Just remembered this, the old P'ville tank looks pretty good if you leave the top (roof) off and scratch a set of legs. The base portion is kind of hideous. Just paint and weather the tank portion and you have a decent branch line tank. Put a bunch of vines and weeds on it and it looks pretty good. Also, detail the bands with a black or brown marker. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51867	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Beg your pardon, but I thought the question was on how to scratch-build a tank, and not a kit. Just felt like being picky L.O.L. G. C. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51868	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I don't find PayPal as much a ripoff as a joke. They really don't help much on getting your $ back. You are better off ALWAYS using a CC to pay for an item thru PayPal as I have found you can use the charge back feature, easier & better than PayPal's way. The main issue it that E-Bay seems to have found a way to force you to use PayPal. Mike In a message dated 1/4/2009 1:43:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: Ya there is DONT USE THEM ...BOYCOTT ...Go to other web sites...Craigs list is FREE...and is viewed by far more people .....PAYPAL IS A RIPOFF.....PERIOD.RIP --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , rcon7@... wrote: > > My problem came in on SALES!!!!! For years I have used paypal for buying.... No problems.... Recently I sold an item for 700.00.... I recieved a note from them.... either join or they would send my money back to the buyer!!!! Hello.... I have all my info on file with them... Checking account etc..... But they wanted me to sign up for a seller? deal at about 5% of each sale and so much a month? DUH!!!!!! Gotta be someway to work around this.... Sell in small amounts??? Add extra fee to cover thier cost??? Ideas????? Bob Conner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51869	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts

My My, how times have not changed.... Clayton --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: > From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:14 PM > Clayton, I suspect the only testing that went on with the > P/M track was the > accountants saying we can get this cheaper track from > Spain/Mexico/Germany? > So why make our own? Alistair > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of clayton deich > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:15 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts > > > > Hi Stumpy, I have a question for you on the P/M track. Is > the track that is > used on the panel sets the same as the other P/M track in > shape, and radius? > Did they make more the two radius P/M tracks? I have a few > of the straight > that came with some stuff off Ebay that I picked up. I do > like the way it > looks. I went in to pick up more P/M track, but on Ebay the > price shot up. I > have not picked up any more. > > Was there any testing that we know of that A.C. did before > this track went > to the market place. I know this came out at the end of the > line for them, > and I think they had to make a move to the cheeper way of > doing things at > the end to see if they could save Flyer. Was not A.C. died > by now, and the > wife was running the works? Do any of you know off hand? I > think that was in > the book I read years, and years back. > > Clayton > > Milwaukie OR > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. > <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: > > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. > <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:46 AM > > I do micro layouts in On30, so I thought sharper > radius > > curves and > > turnouts would be workable in S gauge. So some years > ago, > > I bought a > > bunch of Pikemaster track. It looks more realistic > than > > regular Flyer > > track, has 15" rdius curves and was REAL cheap! > Then > > I found out why > > it was cheap... > > I think that most American Flyer locomotives > aren't > > made to go around > > tight curves like Pikemaster. As far as I know, the > Casey > > Jones 4-4-0, > > the Atlantic 4-4-2, and modified Baldwin diesl > switchers > > were the only > > engines used in Pikemaster sets. Mostly the Casey > Jones, > > itself a > > piece of junk. > > The problem is that the bigger locos have a too long > > wheelbase or the > > trucks don't swing far enough to stay on the > track. > > I tried everything with the Pikemaster track to make > it > > work and was > > finally able to tweak it to work with a few other > steam > > locos, but I > > had continual problems with it. The turnouts are > > especially bad, not > > only the curvature, but the quality. > > If you haven't torn all your hair out yet, save > > yourself from baldness > > and rep[lace those Pikemaster turnouts! You might be > > better off to get > > rid of all of that Pikemaster track. > > Stumpy Stone...again with a full head of > hair...Martins > > Ferry, OH > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51870	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/4/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51871	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

But why is it a "rip-off" for the buyer Edward? Craig's List has it's share of "phoney" auctions. One has to be careful there. Rick. > Ya there is DONT USE THEM ...BOYCOTT ...Go to other web sites...Craigs > list is FREE...and is viewed by far more people .....PAYPAL IS A > RIPOFF.....PERIOD.... > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rcon7@... wrote: >> >> My problem came in on SALES!!!!! For years I have used paypal for > buying.... No problems.... Recently I sold an item for 700.00.... I > recieved a note from them.... either join or they would send my money > back to the buyer!!!! Hello.... I have all my info on file with > them... Checking account etc..... But they wanted me to sign up for a > seller? deal at about 5% of each sale and so much a month? DUH!!!!!! > Gotta be someway to work around this.... Sell in small amounts??? Add > extra fee to cover thier cost??? Ideas????? Bob Conner >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51872	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Carl's Trains cam is up tonight for Chat

Link to my train cam is http://www.tuveson.com/traincam/live_train_cam.htm The page refreshes every 15 seconds. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51873	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: An interesting S Gaugian note.

With a few days off from work and the snow mostly gone this last week I ventured out to my local Train Hobby shops. There are 3 relatively close to me in the north Seattle and Eastside area. Eastside trains in Kirkland is a Lionel Dealer and has the only S Gauge items for sale (all AF or Lionel-Flyer). I don’t believe anyone in the Washington-Oregon stocks any SHS or AM products or has in many years. Anyway my point is, that I could not find a copy of a recent S Gaugian, no-one carries it locally any more. They all say they need to sell at least 6 issues each to keep getting them and as they don’t, it is gone. Interesting. I buy 1 or 2 a year, but I guess not any more. I did find something though . MTH people. The bags of 120 unpainted people for $20 and a card with 40 seated painted people for $24. These are the 0-27 people, I believe, but they measure out pretty close to me. I have some passenger cars to fill up. Now where is that Michaels ½ off coupon for some small paintbrushes and paint. Someone on here was looking for some specific Lionel-Flyer Christmas cars and Eastside had a number of them reduced a bit on their sales area. Contact them if interested .contact info at: http://eastsidetrains.com/ Eric Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51874	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

There are a couple right here on Yahoo. One "Available S Gauge" deals in nothing but S gauge. If it had as many members who used it as this group has, it would be better than ebay. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/?yguid=277259787 The other is run by the TCA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrainstrading/?yguid=190162913 Wayne Beachy @...> wrote:" > > I think it was here in S trains some one mentioned about another group for selling on line. >   > May be I did not delete it. >   > I will start looking, but maybe some one else remembers the site. > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, rcon7@... <rcon7@...> wrote: > > From: rcon7@... <rcon7@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:59 PM > > > > > > > My problem came in on SALES!!!!! For years I have used paypal for buying.... No problems.... Recently I sold an item for 700.00.... I recieved a note from them.... either join or they would send my money back to the buyer!!!! Hello.... I have all my info on file with them... Checking account etc..... But they wanted me to sign up for a seller? deal at about 5% of each sale and so much a month? DUH!!!!!! Gotta be someway to work around this.... Sell in small amounts??? Add extra fee to cover thier cost??? Ideas????? Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51875	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Flyonel Sartups

My thanks to the group for the comments and ideas about the "jackrabbit startups" I was experiencing with my 1992 Northern Pacific PA locomotive. It would appear that not all transformers and locomotives are created equal. It was suggested that a 30B transformer would be a better choice - more wattage - and it was - startups were smoother. Also I found and it was also suggested that a lower start up voltage transformer would help - and it did - I used a 90 watt Lionel with a start up voltage of 5 volts, and a 130 watt Marx with a 0 - 15 volt range (both produced smooth starts). Another suggestion was to use Carl Tuvesons mod to add lower gearing to the motor (which apparantly gives a smooth scale speed to things), and another to produce a voltage drop down to about 5 volts in the locomotive through use of a diode. So lots of suggestions and solutions that work. Thankyou one and all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51876	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Sorry but it is nonsense to compare eBay with its many millions of viewers with Craiglist and its thousands (even tens of thousands) or Yahoo group sales lists which are not huge and often overpriced, regardless of the honest aims of the sellers. And if the seller is not a TCA member then there is zero protection for the buyer, unlike that which is the main virtue of eBay. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rapidrail1 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off There are a couple right here on Yahoo. One "Available S Gauge" deals in nothing but S gauge. If it had as many members who used it as this group has, it would be better than ebay. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/?yguid=277259787> yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/?yguid=277259787 The other is run by the TCA http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrainstrading/?yguid=190162913> yahoo.com/group/toytrainstrading/?yguid=190162913 Wayne Beachy @...> wrote:" > > I think it was here in S trains some one mentioned about another group for selling on line. > > May be I did not delete it. > > I will start looking, but maybe some one else remembers the site. > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, rcon7@... <rcon7@...> wrote: > > From: rcon7@... <rcon7@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:59 PM > > > > > > > My problem came in on SALES!!!!! For years I have used paypal for buying.... No problems.... Recently I sold an item for 700.00.... I recieved a note from them.... either join or they would send my money back to the buyer!!!! Hello.... I have all my info on file with them... Checking account etc..... But they wanted me to sign up for a seller? deal at about 5% of each sale and so much a month? DUH!!!!!! Gotta be someway to work around this.... Sell in small amounts??? Add extra fee to cover thier cost??? Ideas????? Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51877	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Dear John, I did a while ago. I used a "Leggs" stocking container for the bottom, sheet styrene for the sides and top. I used a ponce wheel for the rivets. For the legs, I used Central Valley HO bridge uprights for the nice lacy appearance and nylon fishing line for the cable supports. I forget where I got the turnbuckles, but I am sure they are not hard to find. Best regards, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 6:32 AM, majordadsage wrote: > Has anyone scratchbuilt a water tower? > John in French Lick > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 5 > New Members > 11 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Sell Online > Start selling with > our award-winning > e-commerce tools. > Yahoo! Groups > Going Green Zone > Learn to go green. > Save energy. Save the planet. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51878	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

I just want everyone to know the Water Tower I made was an industrial type and not the type used for filling steam engines. Best, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Don Thompson wrote: > Dear John, > I did a while ago. I used a "Leggs" stocking container for the > bottom, sheet styrene for the sides and top. I used a ponce wheel for > the rivets. For the legs, I used Central Valley HO bridge uprights > for the nice lacy appearance and nylon fishing line for the cable > supports. I forget where I got the turnbuckles, but I am sure they > are not hard to find. > Best regards, > Don > > On Jan 4, 2009, at 6:32 AM, majordadsage wrote: > > > Has anyone scratchbuilt a water tower? > > John in French Lick > > > > RECENT ACTIVITY > > 5 > > New Members > > 11 > > New Photos > > Visit Your Group > > Yahoo! Finance > > It's Now Personal > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Sell Online > > Start selling with > > our award-winning > > e-commerce tools. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Going Green Zone > > Learn to go green. > > Save energy. Save the planet. > > . > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51879	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.

Dear Eric, At one time Eastside Hobbies was a very good hobby customer for us. Their buyer was a closet S gauger and he made sure they had our latest offerings. He changed jobs and out went our stuff. Funny how one person can change something like that. Sorry more hobby shops refuse to support our favorite scale. Best, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Eric R. wrote: > I don�t believe anyone in the Washington-Oregon stocks any > SHS or AM products or has in many years. > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 5 > New Members > 46 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > quickly & easily > with Sitebuilder. > All-Bran > Day 10 Club > on Yahoo! Groups > Feel better with fiber. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51880	From: G C	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Water Tower

Don, Is it possible that you could share a pic of the tank? I sure wish Leggs still had those eggs! I've been saving the plastic Easter egg shells for my industrial water tanks. Its just amazing what you can do with "junk". Gene C. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51881	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Flyer Train Sales in Canada

For any Flyer people living near the US border with Southern Ontario Canada - especially Buffalo / Western New York - an observation made today at a local train show in Woodstock Ontario. At most Canadian train shows, you see a lot of HO, some Lionel, and small amounts of Flyer stuff. However - today at the Woodstock Ontario show, there were 5 vendors with Flyer stuff, and in decent amounts - much was unsold. For the US buyer where the US dollar enjoys a 22% advantage these days (and gas is even cheaper on the US side of the border) it may be worth your while to attend some of these shows. There is a train show in Paris Ontario at the fairgrounds on Sunday Jan. 18 (very popular show), and in Ancaster Ontario at the Merritt Hall at the Ancaster fairground (near Hamilton) on Jan.25, and others coming up in Kitchener, Woodstock and Toronto before the end of April. (Hamilton is about 45 min from Buffalo, Toronto about 1 1/4 hours, Kitchener and Woodstock 1 1/2 - 2 hours). Might be worth the drive. All of these shows start at 10AM, vendors at 8. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51882	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts

Dear Allister, I might be wrong, but stuff not made in the US, must be labeled so, even back then. A.C. Gilbert did make brass HO track in Japan and it was labeled "A.C. Gilbert Co, Made In Japan" Best regards, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Alistair McAllister wrote: > ...I believe the Pikemaster track was made overseas.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51883	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: AF comments at show

I sent Barry's comments about the guy saying that AF was the cheap stuff to a few O gauge friends, as I told them that was a low blow. Their responses. As I think it is very interesting what they write. Mike Hi Mike, There were all kinds of people at that show (I was there both days). Most knew nothing about model trains, if you know what I mean. It was a huge crowd that had traffic backed up for miles around the place (unless you knew the back way into the place like I did ;>). Paul ** Mike, I have to agree with your comment. Although Lionel had a lot more variety (at least from an operating accessory perspective) and enjoyed more sales & popularity, I believe that many of the AF pieces are rarer and, as a result, command more value than similar Lionel items. It's the old story - Kid's who had Lionel always considered the bigger, more colorful Lionel trains to better than the smaller AF train counterparts. Of course the AF kids just enjoyed their 2 rail track trains......... I once asked my Dad why he hadn't purchased AF trains and his answer was that he was able to get Lionel at "more of a discount" through his office supplier. In this case the discount was 100%, as my Dad got my original 2 train sets for free - they were a thank you from his office supplier for all of the printing, forms & paper business that my Dad sent his way from the Furniture Workers Union! I suspect that if that office suppler had a relationship with AF at the time I would be an AF collector, like you! LOL -- Bill -------------------- Hi Mike, The comments in the groups during the Lionel / MTH lawsuit demonstrates there are many who believe Lionel can do no wrong and nobody else can do anything right. A reply to Lionel is the good stuff would be no, this is real Flyer not the crap Lionel makes today. I sold a Flyer collection last year for a friend who was moving to Florida and neither of his sons wanted to keep the trains in the family. It blew right through with only a couple of items needing relisted. I have had decent luck with modern Lionel and Postwar, but not like Flyer. MPC (More Plastic Crap) and most modern stuff doesn't command much of a price. There is a lot more Postwar floating around than Flyer so it doesn't demand the price in a lot of cases. Nothing is really changing in the Tinplate Traditions other than MTH putting on Lionel and Flyer badges.Most body and running gear parts are interchangeable with the originals and I have used some in my restorations. The Protosound 2 versions with sound and smoke use can motors, I am not sure about the traditional ones. All my modern power is MTH and all Proto 2 except 3 Proto 1 PRR Geeps. Proto 1 is a pain in the butt, but these 3 stinkers make enough noise to raise the dead and pull like crazy. My newest Lionel is a 1952 #2056, a Korean War Special with no Magne-Traction or Nickel Plating. I paid $110 for it and it was ready to go. All I did was put rear lights on the tender. If I was starting today I would go S Gauge. Big enough to see and also stay on the track better than HO and still be 2 rail but take up 3/4 the space of O But I'm sure you already know that. If you can't tell if it is MTH or Lionel, if it makes lot of smoke and sounds good it is probably MTH. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts

Sadly, things like that happen in every industry when someone leaves. But if they where selling a fair amount of the items, making a profit, you would think they would continue selling the items? But then, it is like shelve space in grocery store, if the can replace it with something else that sells more with more profit, so it goes. But at least with the internet, you can order directly from a maker or a supplier. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: pike master turnouts Dear Allister, I might be wrong, but stuff not made in the US, must be labeled so, even back then. A.C. Gilbert did make brass HO track in Japan and it was labeled "A.C. Gilbert Co, Made In Japan" Best regards, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Alistair McAllister wrote: > ...I believe the Pikemaster track was made overseas.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51885	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts

Well the All Aboard panels are indeed marked made in Portugal! And the style of construction of the track and even the bent tin joiners leaves me with the strong suspicion that the East Germans could have had a role in the manufacture of the track. It was around that time that the communist republic started to export toy trains. The poor quality and design is certainly what might be expected from them. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: pike master turnouts Dear Allister, I might be wrong, but stuff not made in the US, must be labeled so, even back then. A.C. Gilbert did make brass HO track in Japan and it was labeled "A.C. Gilbert Co, Made In Japan" Best regards, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Alistair McAllister wrote: > ...I believe the Pikemaster track was made overseas.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51886	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: pike master turnouts

PS and we own a smallish house and believe it or not somewhere in it I have misplaced my six All Aboard modules so can't check the track out more closely! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: pike master turnouts Dear Allister, I might be wrong, but stuff not made in the US, must be labeled so, even back then. A.C. Gilbert did make brass HO track in Japan and it was labeled "A.C. Gilbert Co, Made In Japan" Best regards, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Alistair McAllister wrote: > ...I believe the Pikemaster track was made overseas.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51887	From: John Sage	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.

I went to a show in Indianapolis this weekend.� I think there was only one "true S gauger" booth at the show and he was�exclusively American Flyer.� There were a couple of others that had some AF stuff but, not much.� � This was a "Great Train Expo" event.� It was ok but, "S" is not a priority.� � John in French Lick --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An interesting S Gaugian note. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 8:54 PM Dear Eric, ���At one time Eastside Hobbies was a very good hobby customer for� us.� Their buyer was a closet S gauger and he made sure they had our� latest offerings.� He changed jobs and out went our stuff.� Funny how� one person can change something like that.� Sorry more hobby shops� refuse to support our favorite scale. Best, Don On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Eric R. wrote: > I don�t believe anyone in the Washington-Oregon stocks any > SHS or AM products or has in many years. > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 5 > New Members > 46 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > quickly & easily > with Sitebuilder. > All-Bran > Day 10 Club > on Yahoo! Groups > Feel better with fiber. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51888	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: WANTED 2008 Xmas Car

We have a few still available as well as one or two each of the animated Santa caboose, the tank car, and the reindeer stock car. Unfortunately, we cannot let them go at $40, but perhaps you can gran one on ebay for that. We sell them at the regular catalog price and charge actual shipping only. BeSt, Clay Lone Star Trains and Collectibles 4161 Naco-Perrin Blvd. San Antonio, TX 78217 210-655-4665 www.lonestartrains.com -----Original Message----- From: mike rosz [mailto:mikenguy9@...] Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 05:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANTED 2008 Xmas Car I have not found one either, and most stores will not special order it in S if they do not handle Lionel S normally.. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] WANTED 2008 Xmas Car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:11 PM Looking for 2008 Xmas Boxcar ...willing to pay up to 40 bucks ...if anyone has an extra..let me know [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51889	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: technical & historic details of Erector Set parts

Hi Gang, In the spirit of the '49 AF cat. cover, I'm proceeding with fabricating bridges for my layout AND for displays. I've been following and pursuing certain Erector parts (I love those wide girders!) and have become interested in what was made when. For example, in different years parts were plated and painted. Different colors of paint were used and different plating was done. For an apparently while the square nuts were brass. I've found a very comprehensive spread sheet of parts at Girders and Gears very helpful website. It's http://www.girdersandgears.com/gfiles.html . Might any of you be able to recommend publications that flesh out these details? I'm not pursuing pristine parts. Just so long as they're neither bent nor creased, I'm pleased to grind off old paint & light oxidation. I'm priming and finish coating them as my whims lead me. Except for conserving those brass nuts, I've used up the original screws & nuts and am content with using new screws, nuts & lock washers. It's so much easier with hexagonal nuts. Also, I'm willing to cut the parts were necessary for special detailing, such as seams of double walled detail, especially where straight and curved pieces are juxtaposed. One of the details that I might pursue are black button head types for allen drivers. I have four 3/8" thick glass shelves on most of one wall here in the basement. They're partitioned by 39" gaps in front of a window that's nicely cased in oak. Each shelf has double tracks: all for AF 3/16s O. Display space has become precious, so I had the brainstorm of finding girder bridges that can span those gaps. Some chaps are offering wood and steel bridges to order. They're apparently nicely made but lack the intricate detail of the girders. Years ago I'd acquired two 10 1/2 sets & had made a substantial bridge for my previous layout. I still have it: made with all E+ pieces & just won't dismantle it. It'd be crazy to paint such parts. But I had so much left over that within that last few weeks I could build the first of the four that I intend make. Because they're double track width, each bridge gains me nominally 80" of display space. The total of the four will add 26 feet. That's a very significant % of shelving that's 8 feet long. The bridge is done in flat black so as not to chromatically eclipse the trains. When all four have been built, then I'll add lighting. I've shot some photos but it'll be a while before I add them to my website. Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51890	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.

S is usually never a priority at shows open to the public. But then we have the internet for some great S products. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sage" <majordadsage@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An interesting S Gaugian note. I went to a show in Indianapolis this weekend. I think there was only one "true S gauger" booth at the show and he was exclusively American Flyer. There were a couple of others that had some AF stuff but, not much. This was a "Great Train Expo" event. It was ok but, "S" is not a priority. John in French Lick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51891	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: AF 350 Royal Blue loco for sale

If you've been watching the For Sale page on my website, you'll recognize this as the second #350 listed.  It is the later version with molded handrails and block lettering.  I will provide additional pictures in the coming days.        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_AF.html   The reason it didn't run was that both wires were broken inside the tender.  I have resoldered them, greased the engine, and cleaned all the wheels.  It now runs smooth as silk - much smoother and quieter than any of my Gilbert engines.  The reversing e-unit works more reliably than most, though not 100%.  The light works and the paint and lettering are almost like new.    I consider it a genuine TCA C-7 (excellent).  The 2008 Greenberg Guide lists it at $150.   Make me an offer I can't refuse!   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51892	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

I got some decals for, among other intermodal containers, the BBC box (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/business/2008/the_box/default.stm ) from an outfit in Fife, Scotland. Actually they're OO scale, but near-perfect for S) There was no problem whatsoever delivering the desired amount to my supplier. The appropriate amount of US$ comes out of my Paypal account, and he gets from Paypal the amount he wants in £ sterling Enough people have had satisfactory dealings with Paypal for us to conclude that anyone who rages "DONT USE THEM ...BOYCOTT .... . . .....PAYPAL IS A RIPOFF.....PERIOD" is simply anouncing that he has personal problems. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51893	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts

Alistair, Actually, that type of thinking was either maverick or too early for that time. Nowadays, that would be right on the mark. Back then, especially with Gilbert, that was not the story. They actually had pride in what they produced back then, in complete contrast to the work ethic that exists today in this "me first" society. I know......I grew up during the ethics that existed back in the 50's and early 60's, before the "me first" "if it feels good, do it" generation. They are why we are where we are now. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts Clayton, I suspect the only testing that went on with the P/M track was the accountants saying we can get this cheaper track from Spain/Mexico/Germany? So why make our own? Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts Hi Stumpy, I have a question for you on the P/M track. Is the track that is used on the panel sets the same as the other P/M track in shape, and radius? Did they make more the two radius P/M tracks? I have a few of the straight that came with some stuff off Ebay that I picked up. I do like the way it looks. I went in to pick up more P/M track, but on Ebay the price shot up. I have not picked up any more. Was there any testing that we know of that A.C. did before this track went to the market place. I know this came out at the end of the line for them, and I think they had to make a move to the cheeper way of doing things at the end to see if they could save Flyer. Was not A.C. died by now, and the wife was running the works? Do any of you know off hand? I think that was in the book I read years, and years back. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:46 AM > I do micro layouts in On30, so I thought sharper radius > curves and > turnouts would be workable in S gauge. So some years ago, > I bought a > bunch of Pikemaster track. It looks more realistic than > regular Flyer > track, has 15" rdius curves and was REAL cheap! Then > I found out why > it was cheap... > I think that most American Flyer locomotives aren't > made to go around > tight curves like Pikemaster. As far as I know, the Casey > Jones 4-4-0, > the Atlantic 4-4-2, and modified Baldwin diesl switchers > were the only > engines used in Pikemaster sets. Mostly the Casey Jones, > itself a > piece of junk. > The problem is that the bigger locos have a too long > wheelbase or the > trucks don't swing far enough to stay on the track. > I tried everything with the Pikemaster track to make it > work and was > finally able to tweak it to work with a few other steam > locos, but I > had continual problems with it. The turnouts are > especially bad, not > only the curvature, but the quality. > If you haven't torn all your hair out yet, save > yourself from baldness > and rep[lace those Pikemaster turnouts! You might be > better off to get > rid of all of that Pikemaster track. > Stumpy Stone...again with a full head of hair...Martins > Ferry, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51894	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

When taking $ out of a PayPal account at an ATM. Paypal charges you $1.00. Most banks $1.50-$2.00. If you use WAMU they (if you have an acct with them) does not. But here is another way E-Bay & PayPal work you....If you go top pay for an item on E-Bay with a regular CC PayPal will use your balance first & charge the CC the balance.(More on this in a minute) If you have a E-Bay CC They charge the whole amt to the E-Bay card. This is OK in a way if you have an issue with the seller. You can use a charge back to your E-bay card...If you are right you get ALL YOUR $ back including shipping.. Now the RUB... If you used your own bank CC & go the charge back route... Paypal washes their hands of any dispute & you get only the amt you charged on your CC from your bank...if you win... ANY time you decide to use the charge back it null & voids the PayPal Protection.. Mike In a message dated 1/4/2009 2:48:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, northline@... writes: OK, I'm confused here. I have been on Paypal for 8 years. Mike: Are you saying when you go into your paypal report "my account" which shows your transactions there is a $0.00 in the Fee column near the right? in a FROM transaction? I look at one of mine where I got a payment of $40.00 gross and a fee of $1.46 for a listed net amount of $38.54 recieved. A fee of about 3.7%. I have not tried to take Paypal money out of an ATM as I don't have a paypal card but I have Never been charged for transferring $ to my bank account although it does take a couple of days. Eric Kenmore, Wa. From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:11 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off Easy Mike.... When you go to get your $$ they will charge you $1.00 to take it out via ATM... Nothing if you use it to pay for another item you buy on E-Bay or send the $ to others (but they get charged).... Mike In a message dated 1/4/2009 11:12:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) <mailto:mlmarmer%mailto:ml> writes: I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> ) Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting..... Please excuse this venting.....<WBR>. > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at __http://S-Scale.http://S-http://_ (http://s-scale.http//S-Scale._) <_http://S-Scale.http://S-Scaleh_ (http://s-scale.http/S-Scale._) > (_http://s-scale.http://s-scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ) ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**New year...new news. Be the first to kno headlines. (_http://www.aol.http://wwwhttp://www.aol.http_ (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51895	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Lyle -- WJJIM@... Paypal is undoubtedly the various State & Federal govt's means of collecting taxes from both buyers and sellers. Obviously millions of dollars are lost every year in taxable income/costs. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > Jim You have been notable in this group over the years for your hate-the-government messages. Now here's another one. And instead of substantiating your accusation, you go on to make another accusation that pertains to Pennsylvania only. If taxes are due they should be paid, but I doubt very much that any government agency is going to use Paypal to collect these taxes. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51896	From: william cole	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.

WGH in Oaks, PA had 2 S scale modular layouts, an AF dealer with just about everything AF/Gilbert ever made, S-Helper Service (2 layouts running) and Hoquat Hobbies...and things ran very well, as usual! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An interesting S Gaugian note. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:05 PM > S is usually never a priority at shows open to the public. > > > But then we have the internet for some great S products. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Sage" <majordadsage@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An interesting S Gaugian note. > > > I went to a show in Indianapolis this weekend. I think > there was only one > "true S gauger" booth at the show and he was > exclusively American Flyer. > There were a couple of others that had some AF stuff but, > not much. > > This was a "Great Train Expo" event. It was ok > but, "S" is not a priority. > > John in French Lick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51897	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Newer Flyonel Mikados

I have heard that the newer Flyonel Mikados have a better chuff than the first NYC ones. I have NYC Mikado that has already broken 3 times. It is currently not working, but I am tired of having it fixed. My Southern Mikado works fine and I have had no problems. I am considering a new C&O Mikado, but don't want to buy another lemon. Does anyone know FOR SURE if the problems with the chuff were corrected after the NYC model? Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51898	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Paypal ....Ripoff

Ok guys ...several of you have asked me why I think this paypal is a Ripoff.....As many of you know Im on the north side of the 49th in Canada and having a delivery address in Wash state . ...and being a buyer for many years I too thought it would benefit me to join paypal...so I looked into doing so ...until it came to us eit ...they charge me fees on top of fees to use the service you get ..the charge me conversion fees...first to convert my Can, bucks to US and then again an extra fee when ikt crosses the boarder since all of ebay even in Canada deals with only US bucks ...anyway I call anything a ripoff when it totals 17% on top of the sale and the delivery of something that i buy.....I simply told them Im Not interested in your service ..I will pay anyone with US dollars from my account direct from my bank...and THEY DONT CHARGE ME ANYTHING...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51899	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Pikemaster turnouts

Don't know. They certainly raised their ethics from what it was prior to 1920 when Gilbert himself stole somebody else's design (Meccano read Erector) and Chicago Flyer sold German rolling stock as their own. But by 1965 they were not what they had been. It's possible I am wrong. Does anybody have details of who the contractor was that supplied the rail? Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts Alistair, Actually, that type of thinking was either maverick or too early for that time. Nowadays, that would be right on the mark. Back then, especially with Gilbert, that was not the story. They actually had pride in what they produced back then, in complete contrast to the work ethic that exists today in this "me first" society. I know......I grew up during the ethics that existed back in the 50's and early 60's, before the "me first" "if it feels good, do it" generation. They are why we are where we are now. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts Clayton, I suspect the only testing that went on with the P/M track was the accountants saying we can get this cheaper track from Spain/Mexico/Germany? So why make our own? Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts Hi Stumpy, I have a question for you on the P/M track. Is the track that is used on the panel sets the same as the other P/M track in shape, and radius? Did they make more the two radius P/M tracks? I have a few of the straight that came with some stuff off Ebay that I picked up. I do like the way it looks. I went in to pick up more P/M track, but on Ebay the price shot up. I have not picked up any more. Was there any testing that we know of that A.C. did before this track went to the market place. I know this came out at the end of the line for them, and I think they had to make a move to the cheeper way of doing things at the end to see if they could save Flyer. Was not A.C. died by now, and the wife was running the works? Do any of you know off hand? I think that was in the book I read years, and years back. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Pikemaster turnouts > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:46 AM > I do micro layouts in On30, so I thought sharper radius > curves and > turnouts would be workable in S gauge. So some years ago, > I bought a > bunch of Pikemaster track. It looks more realistic than > regular Flyer > track, has 15" rdius curves and was REAL cheap! Then > I found out why > it was cheap... > I think that most American Flyer locomotives aren't > made to go around > tight curves like Pikemaster. As far as I know, the Casey > Jones 4-4-0, > the Atlantic 4-4-2, and modified Baldwin diesl switchers > were the only > engines used in Pikemaster sets. Mostly the Casey Jones, > itself a > piece of junk. > The problem is that the bigger locos have a too long > wheelbase or the > trucks don't swing far enough to stay on the track. > I tried everything with the Pikemaster track to make it > work and was > finally able to tweak it to work with a few other steam > locos, but I > had continual problems with it. The turnouts are > especially bad, not > only the curvature, but the quality. > If you haven't torn all your hair out yet, save > yourself from baldness > and rep[lace those Pikemaster turnouts! You might be > better off to get > rid of all of that Pikemaster track. > Stumpy Stone...again with a full head of hair...Martins > Ferry, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51900	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal ....Ripoff

I do not use paypal either. My high school is going to start using pay pal for collecting alumni dues.  And I may be droping out if I can NOT  send a check. or should I say WILL drop out. --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Paypal ....Ripoff To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:08 AM Ok guys ...several of you have asked me why I think this paypal is a Ripoff.....As many of you know Im on the north side of the 49th in Canada and having a delivery address in Wash state . ...and being a buyer for many years I too thought it would benefit me to join paypal...so I looked into doing so ...until it came to us eit ...they charge me fees on top of fees to use the service you get ..the charge me conversion fees...first to convert my Can, bucks to US and then again an extra fee when ikt crosses the boarder since all of ebay even in Canada deals with only US bucks ...anyway I call anything a ripoff when it totals 17% on top of the sale and the delivery of something that i buy.....I simply told them Im Not interested in your service ..I will pay anyone with US dollars from my account direct from my bank...and THEY DONT CHARGE ME ANYTHING... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51901	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: An interesting S Gaugian note.

The great train expo never was an S only.� It is just who pays to get in �there.� We had some in DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton, Illinois. � They had a lot of HO and I went when My Nephews and I were into HO. Two building exclusive to HO out of 5, and a lot of Lionel. --- On Mon, 1/5/09, william cole <billcwithonec@...> wrote: From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An interesting S Gaugian note. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:42 AM WGH in Oaks, PA had 2 S scale modular layouts, an AF dealer with just about everything AF/Gilbert ever made, S-Helper Service (2 layouts running) and Hoquat Hobbies...and things ran very well, as usual! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups. com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence. " - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio. org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An interesting S Gaugian note. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:05 PM > S is usually never a priority at shows open to the public. > > > But then we have the internet for some great S products. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Sage" <majordadsage@ yahoo.com> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An interesting S Gaugian note. > > > I went to a show in Indianapolis this weekend. I think > there was only one > "true S gauger" booth at the show and he was > exclusively American Flyer. > There were a couple of others that had some AF stuff but, > not much. > > This was a "Great Train Expo" event. It was ok > but, "S" is not a priority. > > John in French Lick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51902	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

I have no idea of how to answer your question. But I have another question to ask: why are the new Mikados priced about $200 under the earlier Mikados? Or at least the C&O Mikado (or is it a Pacific?) is quoted at slightly under $400. That is not cheap but it is less than the earlier versions so what is the difference in the C&O unit? - Earl Henry, Nashville ===================== In a message dated 1/5/2009 9:26:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, waynebeachy113@... writes: I have heard that the newer Flyonel Mikados have a better chuff than the first NYC ones. I have NYC Mikado that has already broken 3 times. It is currently not working, but I am tired of having it fixed. My Southern Mikado works fine and I have had no problems. I am considering a new C&O Mikado, but don't want to buy another lemon. Does anyone know FOR SURE if the problems with the chuff were corrected after the NYC model? Wayne Beachy **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51903	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

The NYC and B&O Mikes have a cheap flimsy cherry or micro switch for the chuff. All subsequent Mikes and Pacifics have a different and more robust unit along with a few other improvements such as pilot wheel pick-up, better smoke unit voltage regulation. Unfortunately the latter production engine micro-switch does not fit into the early engines without milling out the chassis and some other extensive work. You have to either replace the micro-switch often or ditch the whole thing and mount a mini-reed switch on the chassis and a magnet on the back of one of the drivers. That's what I did on the NYC Mike that I run a lot at shows after the micro failed about 5 times. While it's only 1 chuff per rev now, once you're rolling you can hardly tell - - besides that's all our Gilbert steamers ever provided. And when double-headed with my other less often run NYC (still with original chuff switch) their asymetric chuffing sounds good together. The chuff micro switch in the latter engines and/or a good mini-reed switch are rated higher in terms of cycles than the cheapy job in the early (NYC, B&O) Mikes. I researched comparable units on the Cherry company's web site (ergo the nickname "cherry" switch) and the reed rating is part of its specs. Neither have the reed or later micros have failed on me yet (my modified NYC with the reed, and my UP Mike and Alton Pacific which have the larger more robust micro switch in them run well). Here's a link to the NYC double-header I mentioned - - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5wMinXrWDU

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51904	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

Thanks David. This sounds like a solution. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <davidghorn@...> wrote: > > The NYC and B&O Mikes have a cheap flimsy cherry or micro switch for > the chuff. All subsequent Mikes and Pacifics have a different and > more robust unit along with a few other improvements such as pilot > wheel pick-up, better smoke unit voltage regulation. Unfortunately > the latter production engine micro-switch does not fit into the > early engines without milling out the chassis and some other > extensive work. You have to either replace the micro-switch often > or ditch the whole thing and mount a mini-reed switch on the chassis > and a magnet on the back of one of the drivers. That's what I did > on the NYC Mike that I run a lot at shows after the micro failed > about 5 times. While it's only 1 chuff per rev now, once you're > rolling you can hardly tell - - besides that's all our Gilbert > steamers ever provided. And when double-headed with my other less > often run NYC (still with original chuff switch) their asymetric > chuffing sounds good together. The chuff micro switch in the latter > engines and/or a good mini-reed switch are rated higher in terms of > cycles than the cheapy job in the early (NYC, B&O) Mikes. I > researched comparable units on the Cherry company's web site (ergo > the nickname "cherry" switch) and the reed rating is part of its > specs. Neither have the reed or later micros have failed on me yet > (my modified NYC with the reed, and my UP Mike and Alton Pacific > which have the larger more robust micro switch in them run well). > Here's a link to the NYC double-header I mentioned - - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5wMinXrWDU >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51905	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

Hi Earl Henry. I think it is the roadname. Not as much demand as for NYC etd. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I have no idea of how to answer your question. But I have another question > to ask: why are the new Mikados priced about $200 under the earlier Mikados? > Or at least the C&O Mikado (or is it a Pacific?) is quoted at slightly > under $400. That is not cheap but it is less than the earlier versions so what > is the difference in the C&O unit? > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > ===================== > > > In a message dated 1/5/2009 9:26:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, > waynebeachy113@... writes: > > > > > I have heard that the newer Flyonel Mikados have a better chuff than > the first NYC ones. I have NYC Mikado that has already broken 3 > times. It is currently not working, but I am tired of having it > fixed. My Southern Mikado works fine and I have had no problems. I am > considering a new C&O Mikado, but don't want to buy another lemon. > Does anyone know FOR SURE if the problems with the chuff were corrected > after the NYC model? > > Wayne Beachy > > > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51906	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

Most likey supply and demand. Lionel may have built more of the B&O Pacifics and C&O Mikados that you see lately for as little as $285 each (York Orange Hall), or typically for around $300 (see ads in latest CTT for examples), than the other models. Or they simply aren't as popular (less demand). For example, the Erie Pacific is hard to find for less than $550. Is that because they were so popular most of them are already on layouts/shelves somewhere, or did Lionel produce fewer of them? Who knows. I suspect a bit of both factors are involved. PS The best deal at York this past time was a MIB Blue Comet set - $595. A friend of mine bought it. Works like a charm and is arguably one of the best looking S-gauge sets ever made.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51907	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

Really suggested list on the early ones is less than the current. This looks more like a supply and demand issue than any change in pricing by Lionel. Not being a dealer I can't comment on any possible change in dealer discount. List prices are: NYC Mikado 599.99 Southern Mikado 629.99 UP Mikado 629.99 Pennsy Mikado 649.99 Erie Pacific 649.99 ACL Pacific 649.99 B&O Pacific 649.99 C&O Mikado 649.99 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tennsgauge@... Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newer Flyonel Mikados I have no idea of how to answer your question. But I have another question to ask: why are the new Mikados priced about $200 under the earlier Mikados? Or at least the C&O Mikado (or is it a Pacific?) is quoted at slightly under $400. That is not cheap but it is less than the earlier versions so what is the difference in the C&O unit? - Earl Henry, Nashville ===================== In a message dated 1/5/2009 9:26:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, waynebeachy113@ <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net> comcast.net writes: I have heard that the newer Flyonel Mikados have a better chuff than the first NYC ones. I have NYC Mikado that has already broken 3 times. It is currently not working, but I am tired of having it fixed. My Southern Mikado works fine and I have had no problems. I am considering a new C&O Mikado, but don't want to buy another lemon. Does anyone know FOR SURE if the problems with the chuff were corrected after the NYC model? Wayne Beachy **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026> com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51908	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal ....Ripoff

Were you not the guy that asked me to sign my posts? Is that only for me? Are you exempt? Mike In a message dated 1/5/2009 9:30:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: I do not use paypal either. My high school is going to start using pay pal for collecting alumni dues. And I may be droping out if I can NOT send a check. or should I say WILL drop out. --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Edward G. <_am-flyr@...-_ (mailto:am-flyr@...) > wrote: From: Edward G. <_am-flyr@...-_ (mailto:am-flyr@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Paypal ....Ripoff To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:08 AM Ok guys ...several of you have asked me why I think this paypal is a Ripoff.....As many of you know Im on the north side of the 49th in Canada and having a delivery address in Wash state . ...and being a buyer for many years I too thought it would benefit me to join paypal...so I looked into doing so ...until it came to us eit ...they charge me fees on top of fees to use the service you get ..the charge me conversion fees...first to convert my Can, bucks to US and then again an extra fee when ikt crosses the boarder since all of ebay even in Canada deals with only US bucks ...anyway I call anything a ripoff when it totals 17% on top of the sale and the delivery of something that i buy.....I simply told them Im Not interested in your service ..I will pay anyone with US dollars from my account direct from my bank...and THEY DONT CHARGE ME ANYTHING... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51909	From: Jim King	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Next 2 S scale kits will be ...

The next (2) S scale resin kits . in order of appearance . will be a B&O wagontop box (maybe with the Duryea underframe) and the SAL B7 "turtleback" roof box. All of the info required to CAD-model both card is in my hands, so it's just a matter of time to devote to design as to when these will be available. The B&O car will be available in late Feb/early March; the SAL car in late April/early May. The B&O car will include both door styles (Creco and Youngstown) to cover the majority of the revenue years. These kits have no negative effect on the planned GE 70-tonner project, which has been delayed due to motor availability problems (since resolved). Target retail prices for both kits is $80 each, including trucks, couplers and decals. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51910	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Depends on whether the buyer is using money in his PayPal account or using a credit card. The best I can tell is that the fee is charged when there is a credit card sale.   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:18 AM I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting..... .but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51911	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

Early Mikado's use chuff micro-switch p/n 6-40-8036-162. Late model Mikados and Pacifics use p/n 6-10-0401-162. Get both and you'll see right away how they're different. Available from Lionel.com when in stock.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51912	From: marcella14612	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Edward Loizeaux' S-Gauge Milk Train Article in Model Railroader Maga

The other night I was reading the November 2008 Model Railroader and came across Ed's article 'Modeling a steam-era milk train'. Ed has written a delightful article telling the story of milk trains and illustrated with photographs of his S-gauge milk train on his layout. His milk train features four different milk cars - a can (box/reefer type) car, double tank bulk car (the Flyer 24575 Bordens car was a take off), 'butter dish' bulk milk (as the O gauge 3212) car, and a combine (passenger/baggage) car. Ed's layout photos show the milk train at several milk loading/unloading and processing facilities on his layout. He also mentions that Yahoo Groups has a milk train group for anyone who is interested in digging deeper. The article is a beautiful display of Ed's skills as a modeler and shows what can be done in S-gauge. You owe it to yourself to find a copy of November 2008 Model Railroader and read about this interesting facet of model railroading written by one of our own. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51913	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Thanks Bill for that information. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off Depends on whether the buyer is using money in his PayPal account or using a credit card. The best I can tell is that the fee is charged when there is a credit card sale. Bill Drake --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:18 AM I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting..... .but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Mike look at your PayPal account...You were charged a fee...Mike In a message dated 1/5/2009 3:23:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ee_train@... writes: Depends on whether the buyer is using money in his PayPal account or using a credit card. The best I can tell is that the fee is charged when there is a credit card sale. Bill Drake --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) > wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:18 AM I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting..... .but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale./) org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51915	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: AF HO

Does anyone have, or know where I can get an AF HO Franklin loco? And cars too if possible. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51916	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO

Hard to find Roger. Keep an eye on Ebay, they do show up there from time to time. That's where I picked mine up several years ago. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Petrella To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF HO Does anyone have, or know where I can get an AF HO Franklin loco? And cars too if possible. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51917	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO

Roger, try Nick at Classic trains in Rowland Hgts. I believe there is a link on Pauls site under Track. I pretty sure Mike Marmer _would_ (mailto:mlmarmer@would) know how to contact him. Mike PS: Thanks again for your help in the past In a message dated 1/5/2009 7:57:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rogerpjr@... writes: Does anyone have, or know where I can get an AF HO Franklin loco? And cars too if possible. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51918	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO

The set and loco were made by Mantua and the loco is quite similar to the Mantua General. The main difference is in the smokestack. The Mantua version has a baloon stack and the AF a diamond stack. Don't be surprised to find the word "General" embossed on both sides of the boiler. That's the way they were made. Dale Smith Roger Petrella wrote: > > Does anyone have, or know where I can get an AF HO Franklin loco? And > cars too if possible. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51919	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay has officially ticked me off

Mike, Paypal will charge a fee no matter if the funds are in the buyer account or a CC is used. Look in your PayPal account & you will see the deduction on the right. Mike In a message dated 1/5/2009 7:04:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Thanks Bill for that information. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off Depends on whether the buyer is using money in his PayPal account or using a credit card. The best I can tell is that the fee is charged when there is a credit card sale. Bill Drake --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) > wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:18 AM I have no problems with pay pal either. But I do have a question if any one might know the answer. I sold some items to someone not on ebay and he used pay pal to pay me. I was charged a fee, with I expected. Then I sold my first item on ebay, very easy, and of course I was paid by the buyer using pay pal. I was not charged a fee. Does any one know why I was not charge a fee for using pay pal on a ebay sale? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay has officially ticked me off I love PayPal ......... as a buyer! Rick. > > Just tried to bid on some AF parts where the seller also stated that > money orders were accepted in addition to Paypal. However, Ebay won't > allow bids without a Paypal account.Bah humbug..... > Please excuse this venting..... .but is Paypal actually a positive > experience, unlike what I've read about it? > Dave > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale./) org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51920	From: John	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

I'm wondering if you could check one of the online electronic stores or maybe Grangers to see if they could cross reference that part number for the working switch. I would think it couldn't be more than a couple dollars. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sgaugian" <davidghorn@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados > Early Mikado's use chuff micro-switch p/n 6-40-8036-162. Late model > Mikados and Pacifics use p/n 6-10-0401-162. Get both and you'll see > right away how they're different. Available from Lionel.com when in > stock. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51921	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

try Mouser.... Mike In a message dated 1/6/2009 5:14:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, beebear@... writes: I'm wondering if you could check one of the online electronic stores or maybe Grangers to see if they could cross reference that part number for the working switch. I would think it couldn't be more than a couple dollars. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sgaugian" <_davidghorn@..._ (mailto:davidghorn@...) > To: <_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados > Early Mikado's use chuff micro-switch p/n 6-40-8036-162. Late model > Mikados and Pacifics use p/n 6-10-0401-162. Get both and you'll see > right away how they're different. Available from Lionel.com when in > stock. > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51922	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Smoky Mountain Model Works To Do B&O Wagontop in S Scale!

Jim, wonderful news! Paul S. In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:23:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimking3@... writes: The next (2) S scale resin kits . in order of appearance . will be a B&O wagontop box (maybe with the Duryea underframe) and the SAL B7 "turtleback" roof box. All of the info required to CAD-model both card is in my hands, so it's just a matter of time to devote to design as to when these will be available. The B&O car will be available in late Feb/early March; the SAL car in late April/early May. The B&O car will include both door styles (Creco and Youngstown) to cover the majority of the revenue years. These kits have no negative effect on the planned GE 70-tonner project, which has been delayed due to motor availability problems (since resolved). Target retail prices for both kits is $80 each, including trucks, couplers and decals. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmowww.smokywww [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51923	From: downtowndeco	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Great looking inexpensive back ground flats.

This is from one of my old HO kits but an S Scale modeler told me that because of it's large size it worked perfect for S Scale once he added a small foundation. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=400021226236 I won't be listing these forever (especially at this price), so if you need a very inexpensive background flat check it out. Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco 406-273-0942 downtowndeco@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51924	From: paflyrman	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Mel' Diner One Last Time

If anyone is stil looking for the Motor Max 1/64 American Graffiti Mel's Diner, I have picked up two more and have one other that was spoken for but never claimed. Diorama comes with clear plastic case, Diner front facade, 3 figures, and 32 Ford coupe. Selling at cost: $8.97 + 6% PA sales tax and shipping. Totals for shipping to the lower 48 are $14.30 for priority mail, $14.05 for parcel post, or $12.54 for 1st class postage, buyer's choice. First come first served. I won't be doing this again, so if you want this item and can't find it in your area step right up. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51925	From: afkennn	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows

Thanks for the tip. Elmers did the trick with applying repro windows onto my Talking Station. NO MORE MASKING TAPE of old!!! Kenn --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> wrote: > > I use elmer's paper glue; it doesn't distort the plastic and can easily be removed if desired. > > paflyrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: charlie and edith > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:42 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Securing Plastic Windows > > > Greetings! Have repainted an "old" 630 caboose to go with the circus flatcars. Need to install the plastic window film .... what adhesive has worked well for you? Thanks for your thoughts! Charlie in we(s)t Michigan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51926	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: uncoupler

I have never used Gargraves.   Let's think for a while about this. Is it compatable with Flyer.? stick a Flyer track in and put Gargraves ties to make it look like Gargraves. --- On Tue, 12/30/08, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] uncoupler To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 8:39 PM Anyone have an easy method of installing a flyer uncopler under Gargaves track ? Ok then,just any ideas would help easy or not.Thanks in advance! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51927	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

I've been asked a few questions about the chuff micro switch in early Mikados. Here is link to the exploded parts diagram for the NYC and B&O Mikes - - http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6911_UseAFMikadoEngTndrPic torial.pdf Here too is a link to the parts reference list that goes with the diagram. http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6901_UseAFMikadoEngTndrCom plete.pdf All of it's out on Lionel.com The switch is in the middle of the engine chassis back above the rearmost driver axle. Part Number: 640-8036-162 CHERRY SWITCH-A/F MIKADO Price: $ 2.15 Yours may not have failed yet and may not, who knows. It failed nearly a half-dozen times on the NYC Mike I run often, but has yet to fail on my other NYC Mike or B&O Mike that I run less.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51928	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

-I too have had repeated failure on first run Mikados micro switch. Last one I put in I put a .020 plastic shim under the switch so as to reduce the amount of flex put on the PLASTIC switch lever. Has about 10 hours of run time ,so far so good. Last two switches only lasted about 1/2 hr to 1 hr of run time. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh -- In S- Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <davidghorn@...> wrote: > > I've been asked a few questions about the chuff micro switch in early > Mikados. Here is link to the exploded parts diagram for the NYC and > B&O Mikes - - > http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6911_UseAFMikadoEngTndrPi c > torial.pdf > > Here too is a link to the parts reference list that goes with the > diagram. > http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6901_UseAFMikadoEngTndrCo m > plete.pdf All of it's out on Lionel.com > > The switch is in the middle of the engine chassis back above the > rearmost driver axle. Part Number: 640-8036-162 > CHERRY SWITCH-A/F MIKADO > Price: $ 2.15 > > Yours may not have failed yet and may not, who knows. It failed > nearly a half-dozen times on the NYC Mike I run often, but has yet to > fail on my other NYC Mike or B&O Mike that I run less. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51929	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

Have you been able to find the parts manual for the later ones? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados I've been asked a few questions about the chuff micro switch in early Mikados. Here is link to the exploded parts diagram for the NYC and B&O Mikes - - http://www.lionel <http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6911_UseAFMikadoEngTndrPic > com/media/servicedocuments/6911_UseAFMikadoEngTndrPic torial.pdf Here too is a link to the parts reference list that goes with the diagram. http://www.lionel <http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6901_UseAFMikadoEngTndrCom > com/media/servicedocuments/6901_UseAFMikadoEngTndrCom plete.pdf All of it's out on Lionel.com The switch is in the middle of the engine chassis back above the rearmost driver axle. Part Number: 640-8036-162 CHERRY SWITCH-A/F MIKADO Price: $ 2.15 Yours may not have failed yet and may not, who knows. It failed nearly a half-dozen times on the NYC Mike I run often, but has yet to fail on my other NYC Mike or B&O Mike that I run less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51930	From: Bob or Deb Guckian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF HO

Roger, My son has one that he would sell. Set box, no insert, engine & 2 cars. Cars are numbered # 20.He has 2 identical sets. $800.00. Will send pictures if you are interested. Sincerely, Bob Guckian Eaton, oh ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Petrella To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF HO Does anyone have, or know where I can get an AF HO Franklin loco? And cars too if possible. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 9:44 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51931	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

No, just the Erie Pacific's Owner's Manual online. Below, however, is the p/n and price info on the later model chuff micro switch. Since both the old and new micros are showing up, so those of you who want some are in luck. Typically if you can't find a part listed on Lionel.com that's because they have none of that item in stock. However, they may put a limit on how many of any one part you can order at a time. BTW, Mikado/Pacific Seuthe smoke units are also listed so they must be back in stock now too. Just do a search on Category: American Flyer, type in Mikado. Part Number: 610-0401-162 SWITCH (CHERRY DG23-B1LA) Price: $ 1.90 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Have you been able to find the parts manual for the later ones? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51932	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

I tried Mouser, Allied, Cherry, etc. Almost got exactly the same micros, but not quite. Dimensions are key, because the chassis is milled out just the right amount for one or the other micro to fit in and there's a bracket used to hold the micro in place so the holes through the switch come into play as well. If any of you come across the right ones otherwise and they cost less than Lionel parts, please let us know. Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > try Mouser.... Mike > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51933	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/6/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

For me the contacts inside are usually what give out or fail. The creased plastic "hinge", albeit flimsy, is usually OK. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > > -I too have had repeated failure on first run Mikados micro switch. > Last one I put in I put a .020 plastic shim under the switch so as to > reduce the amount of flex put on the PLASTIC switch lever. Has about > 10 hours of run time ,so far so good. Last two switches only lasted > about 1/2 hr to 1 hr of run time. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh -- In S- > Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" davidghorn@ wrote: > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51934	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: New Video, Yahoo Group for AutoControls

This video has 2 parts, located as follows on Vimeo.com: Part 1: http://vimeo.com/2743258 (14 minutes) Part 2: http://vimeo.com/2744927 (10 minutes) Part 1, truncated for YouTube's 11 minute time limit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of3caozRyhI (identical to first 11 minutes of Vimeo Part 1) +++++++++++++++ EXPLANATION: Back on December 9 , the S-Trains group owner Paul Yorke, generously allowed me to post a message about the new [AutoControls] Yahoo group, for people interested in using automatic controls on 2-rail train layouts (S and other scales). Some of you joined from seeing that message, and we're glad you did. We hope to "activate" this group with a few more weeks. I just finished a video that shows how this group works -- i.e. how to subscribe or unsubscribe to it, what subjects are "on topic" and what subjects are "off topic", tentative settings for html and attachments, and miscellaneous other comments about Yahoo groups, and automatic controls and model railroading. The video is probably more of value for people NOT familar with Yahoo groups. I am hoping to entice a few more subscribers from people that browse the videos, but may never see these emails. To summarize my 24 minutes of bloviating in the video, you can subscribe to this [AutoControls] group by doing the usual steps of sending a blank email to autocontrols-subscribe and then replying to confirm it. +++++++++++++++ BY THE WAY: COMPARING VIMEO VS. YOUTUBE: The 10 minutes of the YouTube video has the same content as the first 10 minutes of the Vimeo video. They both are "flash" type videos (I think). In my opinion, the Vimeo video appears a lot sharper. The only problem with Vimeo is that they are so "picky" about content. They threaten to "delete your account without warning" if you post anything outside their rules, which included the forbidding of posting "infomercials". Some of my videos where we demo something (like we did Z-Stuff crossing gates video) possibly borders on being an informercial, although this type of semi-technical demo may not be what Vimeo is concerned about. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com Williamsport PA <=> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51935	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

I didn't notice last night when I pasted in the Lionel.com p/n info for the late model Mikado/Pacific switch that Lionel added parenthetically the Cherry p/n. Here's one electronic parts dealer with it for slightly less http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/CHERRY/DG23B1LA/ <http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/CHERRY/DG23B1LA/> However, the early Mikado micro switch info at Lionel.com does not show the generic/Cherry p/n. Still it probably is an off-the-shelf unit, so if anyone finds out the generic/Cherry p/n for the early switch please let us know. For Mikados after the NYC/B&O and Pacifics: Part Number: 610-0401-162 SWITCH (CHERRY DG23-B1LA) Price: $ 1.90 For NYC and B&O Mikados: Part Number: 640-8036-162 CHERRY SWITCH-A/F MIKADO Price: $ 2.15 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <davidghorn@...> wrote: > > > I tried Mouser, Allied, Cherry, etc. Almost got exactly the same > micros, but not quite....> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@ wrote: > > > > try Mouser.... Mike > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51936	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: My new NW2

Hi All, I am so complete ecstatic with my new NW2 I made a video here: http://www.lanestrains.com/SHS_NW2.wmv Please give it a look. I will eventually add the link to my website of available PRR models. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51937	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My new NW2

Bill, Looks and sounds GREAT! Almost makes me want to convert from TMCC to DCC for those great sounds. What is the caboose? Brass? Got to have one. Thanks for sharing. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lane Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:02 AM To: Pennsylvania Railroad; Pennsy Modeler; PRR Modeling; S Scale Model Railraoding Subject: [S-Trains] My new NW2 Hi All, I am so complete ecstatic with my new NW2 I made a video here: http://www.lanestrains.com/SHS_NW2.wmv Please give it a look. I will eventually add the link to my website of available PRR models. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51938	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados

I have one of the first NYC Mikado's.  The switch in that Mikado was manufactured by OMRON.  Part No. D2-MQ-1L.  They sell for $3.12 at Digikey.  The equivalent Cherry switch is Cherry Part No. DH4C-C4LA.  $4.62 at Digikey.   I have 2 of each on hand and will part with them $15 incl shipping.  I converted to DCC and no longer have a use for them.   Steve Lunde   --- On Wed, 1/7/09, sgaugian <davidghorn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <davidghorn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newer Flyonel Mikados To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:54 AM I didn't notice last night when I pasted in the Lionel.com p/n info for the late model Mikado/Pacific switch that Lionel added parenthetically the Cherry p/n. Here's one electronic parts dealer with it for slightly less http://www.onlineco mponents. com/buy/CHERRY/ DG23B1LA/ <http://www.onlineco mponents. com/buy/CHERRY/ DG23B1LA/> However, the early Mikado micro switch info at Lionel.com does not show the generic/Cherry p/n. Still it probably is an off-the-shelf unit, so if anyone finds out the generic/Cherry p/n for the early switch please let us know. For Mikados after the NYC/B&O and Pacifics: Part Number: 610-0401-162 SWITCH (CHERRY DG23-B1LA) Price: $ 1.90 For NYC and B&O Mikados: Part Number: 640-8036-162 CHERRY SWITCH-A/F MIKADO Price: $ 2.15 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "sgaugian" <davidghorn@ ...> wrote: > > > I tried Mouser, Allied, Cherry, etc. Almost got exactly the same > micros, but not quite....> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, anormal1@ wrote: > > > > try Mouser.... Mike > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51939	From: William Porter	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control

Try to remember, Way back in December, Would an Engine and Tender, Perform on DC? With the speed controlled by pulse widths, as I recall. I just dug out my old, custom-built, TAT IV throttle to test the hypothesis. Sadly, I could not test because my throttle does not have enough oomph to get the engine to run. It has a solid-state current limiter and that kicks in before the engine ( a model 300 Atlantic ) starts to move. We'll just have to wait until someone tries a pulse-width, DC speed control with higher current capability. I did try. Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:re: Sorry I have to ask this... Hi Dave, Pulse width may work OK for those old, universal AC motors. You would need to try it. I have used it with DC motors and it works just fine. That is the principle behind the low speed portion of the TAT IV throttles. It know it works just fine with DC motors, although, it does cause some more heating than usual. The TAT IV design (Linn Westcott's design and used in the Heath Kit throttles) replaced the pulsed DC with smooth DC in the higher voltage range to help avoid the heat. If I get some time, I'll try running an old Flyer universal motor with my own TAT IV throttle and report. Yes, the term can motor covers a range of small, DC motors with permanent magnets. Some are really cheap with copper wire brushes. These come in some toys ad are not meant to last nor be suitable for our trains. Other can motors have good brushes, better magnets, more poles, skewed poles and improved bushing/bearings. The best ones are sometimes referred to as instrument motors. These things are different from stepper motors. SnS offers can motor conversions that use a screw drive that is compatible with Flyer chassis. They drop right in and work with DC. They are excellent. Available direct (he is on our list) and they used to be available through Port Lines as well. I have some AC Flyer that has been converted to DC using a bridge rectifier and some with the SnS conversion. There is no comparison. The can motors are smoother, can run slower are pleasant to operate. If I can find the time to dig out an unconverted engine (it might have to be a Marx O-gauge, but the universal motors operate with the same principle) and assemble a loop of track to try the TAT IV, I will. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of D. Winslow Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:re: Sorry I have to ask this... Hi Stumpy, All makes sense to me, I'll plan on running my RR on DC. It will eliminate the reversing machanism that is so unrealistic seeming. I've thought of using pulsed DC, controlling speed via pulse width. Does this strike anyone as a good or bad idea. My thought is the full voltage would cut through wheel and track dirt etc., give me smoother performance. I am also thinking of superimposing high frequency carriers on the track which would be modulated by audio like station announcements, whistles, etc. You mentioned before replacing old motors with DC cans, I'm not familiar with the term, but I assume you mean the little DC motors that look that way. How do you interface the worm gear end of the old AC motor commutator to the new DC motor? What voltage amperage motors are recommended? Thanks, this is one great list! Dave W. Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > Okay, we've established you can run an old Gilbert AC motor on DC > power. And, we've established that with difficulty we can run a DC > motor on AC power. > The question for me is...why would you want to? > My own experiance, and that of others, shows that DC power is the way > to go. It is only to make the modern trains compatable with the old > ones that today's manufacturers bother with AC. New trains have DC can > mototrs and the manufacturers have to add extra electronics, including > an otherwise redundant reverse unit, to make this work. > Now, I have no problem with AC for collectors and such, this is a part > of our toy/model train history. And I understand why the manufacturers > do what they do, especially Flyonel. > To my mind, DC can motors are superior operationally, technologically, > and cost wise, and I convert all my rebuilds to DC can motors. S > Helper and American Models both offer DC locs as well, and in > both "scale" and "hi-rail." My new locos are DC powered too, of course. > So, if you're going to do a lot of changing of your old Flyer, why not > just convert to DC to start with and save all the other hassles of old > AC technology? > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51940	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control

Try it on a hand car if you have one, Mike In a message dated 1/7/2009 1:05:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wpporter@... writes: Try to remember, Way back in December, Would an Engine and Tender, Perform on DC? With the speed controlled by pulse widths, as I recall. I just dug out my old, custom-built, TAT IV throttle to test the hypothesis. Sadly, I could not test because my throttle does not have enough oomph to get the engine to run. It has a solid-state current limiter and that kicks in before the engine ( a model 300 Atlantic ) starts to move. We'll just have to wait until someone tries a pulse-width, DC speed control with higher current capability. I did try. Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:23 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:re: Sorry I have to ask this... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51941	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: My new NW2

Carl, You should try it. At least make a loop or some portion of your layout TMCC-DCC with a locking DPDT toggle. I did for one of the S-loops on my layout and the Sn42/On30 portion of it and I'm very glad that I did. {And my layout is but a wee bitty thing compared to yours.} Developments like the Tsunami decoders in S-Helper engines as well as the Bachman Shay, short-chassis 4-4-0, etc. really add to the fun you can have. > Almost makes me want to convert from TMCC to DCC for those great sounds. > > What is the caboose? Brass? Got to have one. > > Thanks for sharing. > > Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51942	From: William Porter	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control

Hi Mike, That is a good idea. I tried it using a DC power pack and the TAT IV. It will not turn over for either one. It runs OK on AC. Does anyone know if those handcar motors are universal? I do see a field winding, but, you never know until you try. This one is fairly old and in moderate shape. It makes a ton of noise when it runs even without the car body and little guys. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Pulse Width Speed Control Try it on a hand car if you have one, Mike In a message dated 1/7/2009 1:05:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wpporter@bellsouth. <mailto:wpporter%40bellsouth.net> net writes: Try to remember, Way back in December, Would an Engine and Tender, Perform on DC? With the speed controlled by pulse widths, as I recall. I just dug out my old, custom-built, TAT IV throttle to test the hypothesis. Sadly, I could not test because my throttle does not have enough oomph to get the engine to run. It has a solid-state current limiter and that kicks in before the engine ( a model 300 Atlantic ) starts to move. We'll just have to wait until someone tries a pulse-width, DC speed control with higher current capability. I did try. Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com) ] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:23 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com) Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:re: Sorry I have to ask this... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51943	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Smoke Unit Question:

Today I noticed one of my spare smoke units has the contacts for the coil positioned one in front of the other (front to back). In my "limited experience" I have only seen units with the coil contacts located side to side. Could someone please enlighten me as to the difference and or application of the ones with front to back locations? Other than the lug positions being different, the unit appears the same as all the other steamer smoke units. Thanks again guys. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51944	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Pulse Width Speed Control

With the exception of the locomotives labeled "DC" in the part number all Gilbert AF motors are universal.   Bill Drake now missing an oak tree from the front of the house - this time before it fell on a car  --- On Wed, 1/7/09, William Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: From: William Porter <wpporter@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Pulse Width Speed Control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 5:58 PM Hi Mike, That is a good idea. I tried it using a DC power pack and the TAT IV. It will not turn over for either one. It runs OK on AC. Does anyone know if those handcar motors are universal? I do see a field winding, but, you never know until you try. This one is fairly old and in moderate shape. It makes a ton of noise when it runs even without the car body and little guys. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@aol. com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Pulse Width Speed Control Try it on a hand car if you have one, Mike In a message dated 1/7/2009 1:05:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wpporter@bellsouth. <mailto:wpporter% 40bellsouth. net> net writes: Try to remember, Way back in December, Would an Engine and Tender, Perform on DC? With the speed controlled by pulse widths, as I recall. I just dug out my old, custom-built, TAT IV throttle to test the hypothesis. Sadly, I could not test because my throttle does not have enough oomph to get the engine to run. It has a solid-state current limiter and that kicks in before the engine ( a model 300 Atlantic ) starts to move. We'll just have to wait until someone tries a pulse-width, DC speed control with higher current capability. I did try. Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@ yahoogroupS- Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com) ] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:23 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com) Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:re: Sorry I have to ask this... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51945	From: boblines51	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Train Minder

Did any one get the email that train minder is shipping their inventory program.I checked their web site and nothing is on the web site about it being ready to ship. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51946	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout

What are your thoughts? I have in mind a track plan (at least part of it); if you had it available, would you cover the table with styrofoam and then lay the track? Has anybody tried to add ties to the AF track? I bought some wood the other day to cut pieces and try this. I would like to know some other's thoughts on the idea. Thanks John in French Lick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51947	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder

BOB... I got it and already purchased it.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from "boblines51" <bobville@...>: -------------- Did any one get the email that train minder is shipping their inventory program.I checked their web site and nothing is on the web site about it being ready to ship. Bob Persing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51948	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/7/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder

Bob, I did get the email and have already purchased. It is downloadable on-line. I have only had it a few days, still working with it. Very similiar to Train- Tracker, but easier to use. So far am pleased with it. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: bobville@...: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:25:54 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Train Minder Did any one get the email that train minder is shipping theirinventory program.I checked their web site and nothing is on the website about it being ready to ship. Bob Persing _________________________________________________________________ Windows LiveTM: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51949	From: Firewood	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "majordadsage" <majordadsage@...> wrote: > > What are your thoughts? I have in mind a track plan (at least part of > it); if you had it available, would you cover the table with styrofoam > and then lay the track? > > Has anybody tried to add ties to the AF track? I bought some wood the > other day to cut pieces and try this. I would like to know some > other's thoughts on the idea. > > Thanks > > John in French Lick > This builder used 4mm styrofoam under his track: http://mr.mtnsub.org/blog/ I have read of Standard Gaugers using weatherstrip under the tinplate ties. As for ties on AF track, our helpful Carl has an article on his website (read "goldmine of S scale information!") http://www.tuveson.com/ Look up "American Flyer Track Bending" on his 'Hints & Tips' page. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51950	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Removing unwanted logos etc from AUTOs

Hello All, Thought I would pass a small discovery on to all. I recently bought a Johnny Lightning 1955 Chrysler 300 at the local big box. It was cheap but full of racing logos etc. I figured I would do as Stumpy does and give it a repaint etc... but as I looked at it closely it appeared to me that the logos were "pad printed" onto a painted car. I thought I would take a chance (with nothing to lose as I intended to repaint) and tried removing the logos with a Q-tip dabbed in acetone. To my complete amazement the logos completely dissolved and came clean with very little work. I used several Q-tips dipped in acetone and tried not to leave it on very long. The paint under the logos stayed glossy and all traces of the logos were easily removed. No repainting at all will be required. Although I tried hard to avoid touching the silver trim paint on this unit, the acetone did not seem to affect the silver trim paint. I suspect that the basic car is painted, including the details, and that the logos were added as "inks" not paint. Try it... you'll like it... Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51951	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

A group of us started a new club this year and covered our modules with the foam-core board from Staples.  It's a good sound deadener and base for landscaping without all the shedding mess you get from bare styrofoam.  We did create hills from styrofoam covered with Woodland Scenics plaster cloth. --- On Wed, 1/7/09, majordadsage <majordadsage@...> wrote: From: majordadsage <majordadsage@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Styrofoam on the layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 6:29 PM What are your thoughts? I have in mind a track plan (at least part of it); if you had it available, would you cover the table with styrofoam and then lay the track? Has anybody tried to add ties to the AF track? I bought some wood the other day to cut pieces and try this. I would like to know some other's thoughts on the idea. Thanks John in French Lick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51952	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder

I was one of their beta testers and exercised it pretty well under Windows Vista, Windows 2000 Professional, and Windows XP under the Macintosh Virtual PC.  It performed well in all three environments.  I like it.  I especially like the fact that I can put a copy on my laptop and take it with me when I travel.  Backup and restore enables you to move your collection database back and forth between computers.  It is definitely much upgraded from TrainTracker!   The pictures are from Stout Auctions and most are pretty good.  There are, however, some that leave a bit to be desired.  I found one engine whose picture was the box for a set it came in!  And the 17B has a picture of two transformers; it doesn't help unless you already know what a 17B looks like!  The pictures of recent Flyonel equipment are from the Lionel website.  I notified him that I have pictures on my website that would help improve the picture database.   --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Train Minder To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:08 PM Bob, I did get the email and have already purchased. It is downloadable on-line. I have only had it a few days, still working with it. Very similiar to Train- Tracker, but easier to use. So far am pleased with it. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.comFrom: bobville@ptd. netDate: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:25:54 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Train Minder Did any one get the email that train minder is shipping theirinventory program.I checked their web site and nothing is on the website about it being ready to ship. Bob Persing ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Windows LiveTM: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive. com/explore? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ t1_allup_ explore_012009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51953	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:

Huh? Run that by me again Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/07/2009 5:04:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gettysburg@... writes: Today I noticed one of my spare smoke units has the contacts for the coil positioned one in front of the other (front to back). In my "limited experience" I have only seen units with the coil contacts located side to side. Could someone please enlighten me as to the difference and or application of the ones with front to back locations? Other than the lug positions being different, the unit appears the same as all the other steamer smoke units. Thanks again guys. Paul **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51954	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

John, There are commercial ties available designed for the purpose. Can¹t recall the advertiser, but the advert was in the most recent number of Classic Toy Trains. Commendable to make your own, but kind of labor intensive I would think. Our group has built several modular layouts using styrofoam with a 1x4² frame, cross-braced with 1x2¹s attached on the 1² side underneath. This works well if the size of the layout is small enough to reach across and does not require walking on it. Roy Inman on 1/7/09 8:29 PM, majordadsage at majordadsage@... wrote: > > > > What are your thoughts? I have in mind a track plan (at least part of > it); if you had it available, would you cover the table with styrofoam > and then lay the track? > > Has anybody tried to add ties to the AF track? I bought some wood the > other day to cut pieces and try this. I would like to know some > other's thoughts on the idea. > > Thanks > > John in French Lick > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51955	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout--Tinplate Ties

In a message dated 1/7/2009 9:55:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, majordadsage@... writes: Has anybody tried to add ties to the AF track? I bought some wood the other day to cut pieces and try this. I would like to know some other's thoughts on the idea. John, WardieJay "Tinplate Ties" (wooden) are available for just that purpose. Currently $14.00 per hundred plus shipping, in stock. Thank You Jim Lyle _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51956	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:

That was one more typs of smoke unit that came out in the 60's for like the 21130 type numbers. Clayton --- On Wed, 1/7/09, gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: > From: gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit Question: > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:57 PM > Today I noticed one of my spare smoke units has the contacts > for the > coil positioned one in front of the other (front to back). > In > my "limited experience" I have only seen units > with the coil contacts > located side to side. Could someone please enlighten me as > to the > difference and or application of the ones with front to > back > locations? Other than the lug positions being different, > the unit > appears the same as all the other steamer smoke units. > Thanks again guys. > > Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51957	From: piccu56	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:

Its just a later design that started around the time that Gilbert went to the 5 digit numbering system. There are internal differences on some later variations as well. You may note that it also does not have a removeable bottom plate. The entire wick and element assembly was inserted from the top with a wax like coated piece of shaped insulating carboard used to cradle the element and keep it away from the wick below. This insert and the element were now positioned lengthwise under the top plate assembly. You may also note that on the bottom of the unit there were two attaching points on earlier units, now only the main post is tapped for a screw. Gilbert redesigned these units to reduce parts and labor costs. These units also smoke much better due to the design changes. DAA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > Today I noticed one of my spare smoke units has the contacts for the > coil positioned one in front of the other (front to back). In > my "limited experience" I have only seen units with the coil contacts > located side to side. Could someone please enlighten me as to the > difference and or application of the ones with front to back > locations? Other than the lug positions being different, the unit > appears the same as all the other steamer smoke units. > Thanks again guys. > > Paul >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51958	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

I have added ties where I do not have rubber road bed. They can be purchased from several train stores on the S list. I have used styrofoam on most of the new sections of my layout and my Christmas layout is all foam. With the correct braces under it, it works well. Clifford Manning Topeka, KS ---- majordadsage <majordadsage@...> wrote: > What are your thoughts? I have in mind a track plan (at least part of > it); if you had it available, would you cover the table with styrofoam > and then lay the track? > > Has anybody tried to add ties to the AF track? I bought some wood the > other day to cut pieces and try this. I would like to know some > other's thoughts on the idea. > > Thanks > > John in French Lick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51959	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:

Paul: What you have there is a later-version smoke unit. Gilbert managed to improve on them, and they SMOKE LIKE CRAZY! I'm sure there are a few quirks these units have, and I leave that to others more knowledgeable. I wouldn't mind learning more about them myself. Steve ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbt6qNZ2AhLQIXVX59inJJYVBocgVL9077NQLqAvt0aQ73uPZ/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51960	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout

As a builder of many display layouts in several scales, I have been using 2" thick extruded styrene foam for about eight or nine years. This is the stronger insulation styrofoam that comes in 4x8 foot sheets and is generally pink or blue, although there are other colors. (This is NOT the white styrofoam "bead board" used for packing and cheap insulation for coolers and such.) It is a good sound deadener, has good strength, and is also availible in 1" thick sheets also. It carves readily for making hills or other scenic features such as bridge abutments, tunnel portals, and such. It cuts and carves less messy, leaving more of a sawdust like residue rather than tiny beads everywhere. (But like all such products it can be messy anyway.) Since I build layouts to run at train shows and other events, the light weight is a definate plus. I use no wood reinforcement since the layouts rest on tables at events. As far as ties for regular Flyer track, I cut my own from strip wood. While labor intensive, it is less than half the cost of buying the plastic ties availible. Another alternative you might consider is to buy old stlye Flyer rubber roadbed which fits right to the track and is a good sound deadner. I understand it is being reproduced, but I 've seen the old stuff on eBay as well. There are several roadbed products on the market, and I've seen the roll rubber seal material used between pick up truck bed caps and the bed itself used and is cheaper. It has adheasive on both sides as well. I'm sure other folks on the group can add to this information. Stumpy Stone...in cold and snowy Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51961	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question:

I recall two coil orientations of ACG Flyer smoke unit coils as well and a few years ago while actively repairing Flyer for customers it dawned on me why and I jotted that down. I don't have the time now to scour my notes, but I think it was most likely cost - - imagine that. If memory serves me correctly, the side-to-side (lateral) units have a removable top plate and a removable bottom plate. The front to back aligned coil (longitudinal) units only have a removable top plate. Fewer parts, screws, and less labor to assemble. Also the milling of a lateral unit box is more complex (costly) than that of the mostly hollowed out box of the longitudinal. They both work, but my perception is that the lateral coil units smoke a little bit more voluminously (better) due to the proximity and orientation of the coil to the air flow through the chamber and possibly slightly higher upper chamber pressurization due to a more cleanly separately upper-lower chamber design. The longitudinal unit I believe depends largely on the use of larger folded "cardboard" insert to create that separation than the lateral design that has holes in the metal box itself between the upper and lower chambers and a smaller folded coil enclosure insert. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > Today I noticed one of my spare smoke units has the contacts for the > coil positioned one in front of the other (front to back). >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51962	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Removing unwanted logos, etc. from autos

Good job, Mark! You've added to our accumulated knowledge data base here at S Trains. I might have pulled out the fine sandpaper without your update! While most of our efforts and discussions involve the trains themselves, when you get into layouts, they are an entire world which involves more than just trains! Cars add to the "life" of the layout and also date the era depicted. The car in question is a miniature of the famous (to we old race car folks) Keikhoffer Chryslers of the mid-fifties. These wre nearly unbeatable in both NASCAR and USAC stock car series in those years with their big Hemi engines and huge four barrel carburetors! Some of the biggest names in racing drove them at one point or another during those years. This team was also the first, well organixed, multi car team in big time stock cars racing, the prototype to todays racing teams. The real Chrysler C 300 model was second only to the Imperial in prestige, and a "performance" car in it's class. And now you know "the rest of the story" about the real car. Stumpy Stone...perveyor of useless information in eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51963	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

I agree, the 2" thick extruded styrene foam works great as a layout platform.  I have made four 4' x 6' platforms with 2x4 and 1x4 framing and attached folding table legs and set it up at the B&O Museum for three years as part of the Holiday Festival of Trains.  One person can load the modules, but two people is better for carrying.  Maintenance on the platform is to repaint the white paint each year to make the simulated snow look clean.  Just make sure you ONLY use latex (water) base paints.    Greg Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Lovettsville, VA ________________________________ From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:43:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Styrofoam on the layout As a builder of many display layouts in several scales, I have been using 2" thick extruded styrene foam for about eight or nine years. This is the stronger insulation styrofoam that comes in 4x8 foot sheets and is generally pink or blue, although there are other colors. (This is NOT the white styrofoam "bead board" used for packing and cheap insulation for coolers and such.) It is a good sound deadener, has good strength, and is also availible in 1" thick sheets also. It carves readily for making hills or other scenic features such as bridge abutments, tunnel portals, and such. It cuts and carves less messy, leaving more of a sawdust like residue rather than tiny beads everywhere. (But like all such products it can be messy anyway.) Since I build layouts to run at train shows and other events, the light weight is a definate plus. I use no wood reinforcement since the layouts rest on tables at events. As far as ties for regular Flyer track, I cut my own from strip wood. While labor intensive, it is less than half the cost of buying the plastic ties availible. Another alternative you might consider is to buy old stlye Flyer rubber roadbed which fits right to the track and is a good sound deadner. I understand it is being reproduced, but I 've seen the old stuff on eBay as well. There are several roadbed products on the market, and I've seen the roll rubber seal material used between pick up truck bed caps and the bed itself used and is cheaper. It has adheasive on both sides as well. I'm sure other folks on the group can add to this information. Stumpy Stone...in cold and snowy Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51964	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Does anyone live in the Tampa, Florida, area?

Please contact me off list.   Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51965	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout

John & anyone interested, In December of 2006 I used foam for my first module. On top of the foam I used a weather proofing barrier (on a roll from Lowes) for general aesthetics & to cover the blueness. For the roadbed I used AMI Instant Roadbed to hold the AF track and the wood tie inserts w/o nails or spikes. The ties came from someone who advertised in either Dispatch, S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains. While I was happy w/ the module I have yet to take it w/ me to use w/ my club's ( BAAFC) displays. So, it has been standing on end in the workshop (w/o scenery) for 2 years!!! Everything is still intact! I have yet to solve the leg problem. 3/4 inch PVC piping was cut to be used but I am not happy w/ it, no real stability. I have uploaded 3 photos of the module taken shortly after completion but w/ the track not ballasted. If you are going to use a Hot Wire tool or hot knife I would recommend doing it outside or in a very well ventilated room, unless you want to recreate the 60's!! I don't do wood well!!! Foam has become my preferred base. I'll use it normally on top of a thin piece of plywood or in a wood or aluminum frame for support. It is inexpensive & easy to work w/ fumes & all. Hope this helps......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51966	From: William Porter	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder

Hi Robert, I looked at the website and I notice that there is a database and a separate purchase file of photos. Do the two items work together? Are there pictures in the database? The website did not make it clear. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Train Minder I was one of their beta testers and exercised it pretty well under Windows Vista, Windows 2000 Professional, and Windows XP under the Macintosh Virtual PC. It performed well in all three environments. I like it. I especially like the fact that I can put a copy on my laptop and take it with me when I travel. Backup and restore enables you to move your collection database back and forth between computers. It is definitely much upgraded from TrainTracker! The pictures are from Stout Auctions and most are pretty good. There are, however, some that leave a bit to be desired. I found one engine whose picture was the box for a set it came in! And the 17B has a picture of two transformers; it doesn't help unless you already know what a 17B looks like! The pictures of recent Flyonel equipment are from the Lionel website. I notified him that I have pictures on my website that would help improve the picture database. _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51967	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

Gill, We used PVC 90 degree pieces and cross braced the legs on our foam layout. Worked pretty well. Roy Inman on 1/8/09 9:55 AM, Gill W. Lott at glott@... wrote: > > > > John & anyone interested, > > In December of 2006 I used foam for my first module. On top of the foam I > used a weather proofing barrier (on a roll from Lowes) for general aesthetics > & to cover the blueness. For the roadbed I used AMI Instant Roadbed to hold > the AF track and the wood tie inserts w/o nails or spikes. The ties came from > someone who advertised in either Dispatch, S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains. > > While I was happy w/ the module I have yet to take it w/ me to use w/ my > club's ( BAAFC) displays. So, it has been standing on end in the workshop > (w/o scenery) for 2 years!!! Everything is still intact! I have yet to > solve the leg problem. 3/4 inch PVC piping was cut to be used but I am not > happy w/ it, no real stability. > > I have uploaded 3 photos of the module taken shortly after completion but w/ > the track not ballasted. > > If you are going to use a Hot Wire tool or hot knife I would recommend doing > it outside or in a very well ventilated room, unless you want to recreate the > 60's!! > > I don't do wood well!!! Foam has become my preferred base. I'll use it > normally on top of a thin piece of plywood or in a wood or aluminum frame for > support. It is inexpensive & easy to work w/ fumes & all. > > Hope this helps...... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51968	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

John, I've been using extruded foam board on my portable layout for several years with good results. It is light and easily moved. The first one was a 4X8 using 1X4 framing and mounting a 1 inch foam board on it. It worked good for several years but was a little flimsy. The next on was 2 inch which made it very stable and it was still light to move.More recently I've started a more permanent layout using 2 inch foam. I've got some photos of them at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/275910029/pic/list Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gill W. Lott To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Rhoda & Gill Lott Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Styrofoam on the layout John & anyone interested, In December of 2006 I used foam for my first module. On top of the foam I used a weather proofing barrier (on a roll from Lowes) for general aesthetics & to cover the blueness. For the roadbed I used AMI Instant Roadbed to hold the AF track and the wood tie inserts w/o nails or spikes. The ties came from someone who advertised in either Dispatch, S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains. While I was happy w/ the module I have yet to take it w/ me to use w/ my club's ( BAAFC) displays. So, it has been standing on end in the workshop (w/o scenery) for 2 years!!! Everything is still intact! I have yet to solve the leg problem. 3/4 inch PVC piping was cut to be used but I am not happy w/ it, no real stability. I have uploaded 3 photos of the module taken shortly after completion but w/ the track not ballasted. If you are going to use a Hot Wire tool or hot knife I would recommend doing it outside or in a very well ventilated room, unless you want to recreate the 60's!! I don't do wood well!!! Foam has become my preferred base. I'll use it normally on top of a thin piece of plywood or in a wood or aluminum frame for support. It is inexpensive & easy to work w/ fumes & all. Hope this helps...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51969	From: John Sage	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

I want to thank everyone for the replies.  The information has been overwhelming and very helpful.    I am putting these replies in a dedicated folder and will refer back to them.  I have a train museum within 3 miles of the house.  I have wanted to provide a layout for the museum for several years.  Maybe this is the time.    Anyway, Thanks Again for all the thoughtful responses.   John in French Lick --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Gill W. Lott <glott@...> wrote: From: Gill W. Lott <glott@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Styrofoam on the layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Rhoda & Gill Lott" <sralott@...> Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:55 AM John & anyone interested, In December of 2006 I used foam for my first module. On top of the foam I used a weather proofing barrier (on a roll from Lowes) for general aesthetics & to cover the blueness. For the roadbed I used AMI Instant Roadbed to hold the AF track and the wood tie inserts w/o nails or spikes. The ties came from someone who advertised in either Dispatch, S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains. While I was happy w/ the module I have yet to take it w/ me to use w/ my club's ( BAAFC) displays. So, it has been standing on end in the workshop (w/o scenery) for 2 years!!! Everything is still intact! I have yet to solve the leg problem. 3/4 inch PVC piping was cut to be used but I am not happy w/ it, no real stability. I have uploaded 3 photos of the module taken shortly after completion but w/ the track not ballasted. If you are going to use a Hot Wire tool or hot knife I would recommend doing it outside or in a very well ventilated room, unless you want to recreate the 60's!! I don't do wood well!!! Foam has become my preferred base. I'll use it normally on top of a thin piece of plywood or in a wood or aluminum frame for support. It is inexpensive & easy to work w/ fumes & all. Hope this helps...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51970	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

Jim; Love your new layout plan! The inner loop reminds of the SHS modular layout I have seen at shows. Roy Inman on 1/8/09 10:58 AM, Jim Hannawald at jhannawald@... wrote: > > > > John, > > I've been using extruded foam board on my portable layout for several years > with good results. It is light and easily moved. The first one was a 4X8 > using 1X4 framing and mounting a 1 inch foam board on it. It worked good for > several years but was a little flimsy. The next on was 2 inch which made it > very stable and it was still light to move.More recently I've started a more > permanent layout using 2 inch foam. I've got some photos of them at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/275910029/pic/list > > Jim H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gill W. Lott > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Cc: Rhoda & Gill Lott > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:55 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Styrofoam on the layout > > John & anyone interested, > > In December of 2006 I used foam for my first module. On top of the foam I used > a weather proofing barrier (on a roll from Lowes) for general aesthetics & to > cover the blueness. For the roadbed I used AMI Instant Roadbed to hold the AF > track and the wood tie inserts w/o nails or spikes. The ties came from someone > who advertised in either Dispatch, S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains. > > While I was happy w/ the module I have yet to take it w/ me to use w/ my > club's ( BAAFC) displays. So, it has been standing on end in the workshop (w/o > scenery) for 2 years!!! Everything is still intact! I have yet to solve the > leg problem. 3/4 inch PVC piping was cut to be used but I am not happy w/ it, > no real stability. > > I have uploaded 3 photos of the module taken shortly after completion but w/ > the track not ballasted. > > If you are going to use a Hot Wire tool or hot knife I would recommend doing > it outside or in a very well ventilated room, unless you want to recreate the > 60's!! > > I don't do wood well!!! Foam has become my preferred base. I'll use it > normally on top of a thin piece of plywood or in a wood or aluminum frame for > support. It is inexpensive & easy to work w/ fumes & all. > > Hope this helps...... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51971	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Motors and PWM

- GreetingS - Great to read about the various techniques for running AF locos. Series motors will operate quite well on AC and DC. Least heating comes with running on smooth (filtered) DC since the magnetization of the field does not change. This means no hysteresis loss in the iron core of the field. Pulse width modulation of the DC will add to the heating. In some industrial settings motors on PWM are derated to 80-90% of full power. Unless the loco is pulling a very long train (as sometimes happens in the ACSG), increased heating is minimal. The series motor and PWM controller is common in homebrew electric automobiles (Honda, Escort, and some full size vehicles). Drive motor overheating is fairly rare. Dead batteries come first. Since the Flyer rectifiers do not have filter capacitors, AF PM motors had to operate satisfactorily on pulsating DC. They do that quite well. However, do not try to run certain of the loaders or the talking station record turntable motors on any form of DC. The induction motors in these applications object strongly to this treatment and will take up smoking. Just like some folks we know. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51972	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder file of photos

The basic database gives you information about engines, cars, and accessories - what they are, when they were made, current value, etc.  And it lets you enter the items you own so you have an inventory for insurance or other purposes.  And it lets you build a shopping list of items you're looking to buy, and a for sale list of things you want to sell, and a contact list of people to buy from or sell to.  And it provides reports and other features.  Good product!   But it has no pictures of anything.  The separately priced pictures database integrates with the basic database: when you look up info about something, it displays a picture so you know what it looks like.  That makes it a real research tool, which I really value.  But a lot of people don't care about that, so they sell it as a separate option. --- On Thu, 1/8/09, William Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: From: William Porter <wpporter@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Train Minder To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 7:58 AM Hi Robert, I looked at the website and I notice that there is a database and a separate purchase file of photos. Do the two items work together? Are there pictures in the database? The website did not make it clear. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Train Minder I was one of their beta testers and exercised it pretty well under Windows Vista, Windows 2000 Professional, and Windows XP under the Macintosh Virtual PC. It performed well in all three environments. I like it. I especially like the fact that I can put a copy on my laptop and take it with me when I travel. Backup and restore enables you to move your collection database back and forth between computers. It is definitely much upgraded from TrainTracker! The pictures are from Stout Auctions and most are pretty good. There are, however, some that leave a bit to be desired. I found one engine whose picture was the box for a set it came in! And the 17B has a picture of two transformers; it doesn't help unless you already know what a 17B looks like! The pictures of recent Flyonel equipment are from the Lionel website. I notified him that I have pictures on my website that would help improve the picture database. _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51973	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: "Green" energy in S Scale

Check this out. it's (said to be) 1/64 http://www.mydiecastpromotions.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/15132/subcatid/0/id/386933 Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51974	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: NW2 and sounds

If you are happy with the NW2 the way it sounds, that's great, and that's the important part. For me, I guess that I am as bullish on sounds as some people are about details on their equipment. As someone who grew up almost exclusively with diesels, and especially EMD locomotives of many types, to me the NW2 sound is "close but no cigar". It doesn't sound too "electronic", but the prototype unit used for the sound for the chip was not an NW2. The model sounds like it has a 16 cylinder 567 engine, like in any F unit, GP7/ 9/18/28's, or SD7/9/18/28's. In a model of one of those, the sound would be great. It's hard to describe sounds with words, but I'll give it a try. EMD switchers with 8 and 12 cylinder 567 engines don't sound so "husky", or whine when accelerating like the bigger 16 cylinder engines do. SW1's, with 6 cylinder engines, sound even a little more different. E units sound different yet. The model has a single trumpet horn, which is prototypically correct for just about all switchers built in the 1940's or 50's. But a horn like that has a flat "honk" sound to it. (Road units built around the same time had a lower pitch version of it, which I've see referred to as a "Typhon", and to you steam buffs, some steam locos with horns sounded like this also.) To get the chime horn sound like the model, you would need a horn with multiple trumpets. I don't know the names and variations of the multi-chime horns, but the horn on the model doesn't match the sound (and that problem is not unique to S either.) I would rather have a model locomotive (especially a diesel) without sound, then to have the wrong sound, or crummy sound, especially when they cost so much more. I have HO and O and even some G, in addition to S, and I have heard great sounds (Walthers HO F units) and poor sounds (a Bachmann HO 4-6-0 that will stand still and sound like it accelerates to full speed before it moves!). I have an Atlas O scale MP15 that just sounds too "electronic", whereas the Atlas Alco C424's sound pretty awesome. A friend had a Lionel O gauge Alco S4 that sounded like an EMD switcher. That's as wrong to me as an NYC Big Boy or Santa Fe GG1 or Pennsy BL2 (none of those existed.) Is it just me or does anyone else get bothered when a steam loco with sound going full blast sounds like a farm tractor, or an E unit model has F unit sounds, or a UP Big Boy or Challenger has the wrong whistle, or any other locomotive just plain doesn't sound right? Before I go on and on all afternoon about this, let me stop here.... Mike Vana Omaha, NE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51975	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Styrofoam on the layout

Roy, The inner loop is based on the SHS layout, but changed a little. See Don's Track Planning book- it was very helpful. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Styrofoam on the layout Jim; Love your new layout plan! The inner loop reminds of the SHS modular layout I have seen at shows. Roy Inman on 1/8/09 10:58 AM, Jim Hannawald at jhannawald@... wrote: > > > > John, > > I've been using extruded foam board on my portable layout for several years > with good results. It is light and easily moved. The first one was a 4X8 > using 1X4 framing and mounting a 1 inch foam board on it. It worked good for > several years but was a little flimsy. The next on was 2 inch which made it > very stable and it was still light to move.More recently I've started a more > permanent layout using 2 inch foam. I've got some photos of them at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/275910029/pic/list > > Jim H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gill W. Lott > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Cc: Rhoda & Gill Lott > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:55 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Styrofoam on the layout > > John & anyone interested, > > In December of 2006 I used foam for my first module. On top of the foam I used > a weather proofing barrier (on a roll from Lowes) for general aesthetics & to > cover the blueness. For the roadbed I used AMI Instant Roadbed to hold the AF > track and the wood tie inserts w/o nails or spikes. The ties came from someone > who advertised in either Dispatch, S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains. > > While I was happy w/ the module I have yet to take it w/ me to use w/ my > club's ( BAAFC) displays. So, it has been standing on end in the workshop (w/o > scenery) for 2 years!!! Everything is still intact! I have yet to solve the > leg problem. 3/4 inch PVC piping was cut to be used but I am not happy w/ it, > no real stability. > > I have uploaded 3 photos of the module taken shortly after completion but w/ > the track not ballasted. > > If you are going to use a Hot Wire tool or hot knife I would recommend doing > it outside or in a very well ventilated room, unless you want to recreate the > 60's!! > > I don't do wood well!!! Foam has become my preferred base. I'll use it > normally on top of a thin piece of plywood or in a wood or aluminum frame for > support. It is inexpensive & easy to work w/ fumes & all. > > Hope this helps...... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51976	From: preardon4	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Gargraves (plastic ties)

Hi, I think I remember seeing an advertisment or a post for Gargraves S track with plastic ties. Am I off base here? And, If not, Does anyone know where I can purchase this track? Thanks, Pat

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51977	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)

Have you tried Hobby Surplus Sales,  I believe in New Haven , Conn. --- On Thu, 1/8/09, preardon4 <preardon@...> wrote: From: preardon4 <preardon@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves (plastic ties) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 5:41 PM Hi, I think I remember seeing an advertisment or a post for Gargraves S track with plastic ties. Am I off base here? And, If not, Does anyone know where I can purchase this track? Thanks, Pat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51978	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)

I would try Googling Gargaves... Also Trainz.com is always listing some on E-Bay...Mike S. In a message dated 1/8/2009 3:54:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, preardon@... writes: Hi, I think I remember seeing an advertisment or a post for Gargraves S track with plastic ties. Am I off base here? And, If not, Does anyone know where I can purchase this track? Thanks, Pat **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51979	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: another place for S ties

http://www.blackbearcc.com/ties.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51980	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: rr ties

Great Plains Hi-Rail (T) 4707 Sherwood Dr. Regina, Saskatchewan Canada S4R 4B7 They make a S Scale rubber rr tie to go under af track. I have a sample bag from them as that is the information I have on them. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51981	From: reg392003	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Creating AF engine on board sounds for a buck

Here is an economy-minded steam engine addition that brings true steam engine sounds to a found American Flyer #21004 in a Do-It-Yourself article <http://www.scale-modelers-handbook.com/american-flyer.html> in the Innovation Forum at www.scale-modelers-handbook.com. It is from John Thompson who found and modified the train. Reg Hardy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51982	From: Firewood	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout/ S-Modular?

Have any of the group used Styrofoam mated to the S-modular configuration? Dave --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Klein <moviemadness2@...> wrote: > > I agree, the 2" thick extruded styrene foam works great as a layout platform.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51983	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: another place for S ties

Michael, Thanks for that link to Balckbear. They have some great bridge and lumber choices for scratchbuild. I am thinking about making a few changes to my layout this year and these will be the people I'll contact. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51984	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit Question

The smoke units with the "fore and aft" element connections also should have no bottom plate-it's part of the casting. These were used from around 1956 on, very typically with the two-position reverse unit. Smoke units seem to work as well too. (anyone else notice any difference in smoke output?). Typically one lead is soldered to a lug on one of the cover screws- but not if used as a replacement for an earlier locomotive. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51985	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)

If memory serves, Gargraves lost the mold or something to this track, and discontinued making it a couple of years ago. I had a circle of it I bought at York that I sold on eBay at about the same time. It didn't bring much. Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51986	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: NW2 and sounds

Mike, Thanks for the great piece of information on locomotive sounds......the kind I've been looking for! Another question in my mind is whether or not there is a difference in a given sound with the various horn or whistle manufacturers. For example: does a first generation EMD diesel horn from Leslie sound the same as a Wabco, or other brands? Same with Alco....did the different horn manufacturers sound basically the same, or was there a distinctive difference? If there is a difference, where does one find out which horn was used for a given road? As you can tell, I didn't spend any quality time along railroad tracks growing up in the 40's and 50's. My primary interest is NYC steam and diesel during that transition era. Now, if anyone needs information on Air Force jet fighter aircraft, I'm a bundle of information! No horns, whistles or bells....just a lot of noise! :-) Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... NW2 and sounds Posted by: "Mike Vana" amflyer@... writes: Thu Jan 8, 2009 2:45 pm (PST) If you are happy with the NW2 the way it sounds, that's great, and that's the important part. For me, I guess that I am as bullish on sounds as some people are about details on their equipment. As someone who grew up almost exclusively with diesels, and especially EMD locomotives of many types, to me the NW2 sound is "close but no cigar". It doesn't sound too "electronic", but the prototype unit used for the sound for the chip was not an NW2. The model sounds like it has a 16 cylinder 567 engine, like in any F unit, GP7/ 9/18/28's, or SD7/9/18/28's. In a model of one of those, the sound would be great. ............... Is it just me or does anyone else get bothered when a steam loco with sound going full blast sounds like a farm tractor, or an E unit model has F unit sounds, or a UP Big Boy or Challenger has the wrong whistle, or any other locomotive just plain doesn't sound right? Before I go on and on all afternoon about this, let me stop here.... Mike Vana Omaha, NE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51987	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: train help

How do I get smoke to come out of the smoke stack? It has a little bulb like a turkey baster. I don't want to put water in the smoke stack and ruin everything. I'm located in Pittsburgh, Pa. Thanks!! Calvin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51988	From: James Alsman	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.

I've been operating AF trains on and off since 1968, and have just recently gotten back into them. I was looking at the Lionel TMCC Control System to use with my existing AF layout and unmodified locomotives. As I understand the operation of TMCC, it would give me smoother ramp-up voltage to the locomotives and would let me operate the layout in walk-around mode. I wouldnt be able to use the other features of TMCC such as sounds, etc, unless I modified the locomotives. In the diagram on Carl's S Gauge Empire titled " TMCC Command Base hookup with an American Flyer transformer", this shows a single wire coming from the Command Base Receiver Track Terminal to the base rail on the track. I simply do not see how this would work unless the TMCC Command Base Receiver is acting as a variable resistance to bleed off voltage and current going to the track. I know the TMCC CAB-1 Controller communicates via radio with the Command Base Receiver. The question about this I have is are my assumptions correct about how my existing unmodified locomotives would work with the TMCC, and is this how the TMCC controls the voltage/current to the track? Thanks, Jim Alsman (Indiana)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51989	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: AF turnouts/DCC Question:

Does anyone know if it is possible to use original AF turnouts with a DCC decoder? Someone mentioned that there was a stationary decoder available which would work and that each could control 4/6 turnouts. (One could connect several turnouts to be thrown with the same signal). As yet, I have not been able to get a definitive answer. I am running original AF track and turnouts. Like Doug Peck once told me, "That is like running re-tread tires on a brand new luxury vehicle". However, I like the nostalgia, the layout was originally built for this, and I sure would hate to tear all down and begin from scratch. Before I go down the path of DCC and run into a dead end, I would appreciate any advice from the peanut gallery. (don't want to convert my AF engines and then have to switch back out of frustration). Thanks again. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51990	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.

Jim, The diagram you are referring to is for the Command Base wiring. It's single wire carries the TMCC 455Khz radio signal to the track and is received by the TMCC locos. The Command Base is used only to control TMCC equipped locos. To control Conventional unmodified AF locos with TMCC you and use a Powermaster or TPC unit connected to the track. That behaves like a remote control power pack with the TMCC remote (Cab-1) controlling the voltage output to the track. The Powermaster or TPC units have a TMCC receiver in them and connect in-between a transformer and the track. See this link for diagram: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC_Hookup/tn_TMCCPowerMasterHookup.jpg Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Alsman Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:56 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives. I've been operating AF trains on and off since 1968, and have just recently gotten back into them. I was looking at the Lionel TMCC Control System to use with my existing AF layout and unmodified locomotives. As I understand the operation of TMCC, it would give me smoother ramp-up voltage to the locomotives and would let me operate the layout in walk-around mode. I wouldnt be able to use the other features of TMCC such as sounds, etc, unless I modified the locomotives. In the diagram on Carl's S Gauge Empire titled " TMCC Command Base hookup with an American Flyer transformer", this shows a single wire coming from the Command Base Receiver Track Terminal to the base rail on the track. I simply do not see how this would work unless the TMCC Command Base Receiver is acting as a variable resistance to bleed off voltage and current going to the track. I know the TMCC CAB-1 Controller communicates via radio with the Command Base Receiver. The question about this I have is are my assumptions correct about how my existing unmodified locomotives would work with the TMCC, and is this how the TMCC controls the voltage/current to the track? Thanks, Jim Alsman (Indiana) ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51991	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:

In a message dated 1/9/2009 11:07:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, gettysburg@... writes: Does anyone know if it is possible to use original AF turnouts with a DCC decoder? Dave Pierce has done it. _DPDB@..._ (mailto:DPDB@...) Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51992	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:

Paul,   Go to www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge.  Click on DCC info and open:  Getting started with DCC, with specifics for S.  This is a 35 pages of great info.  Page 34 explains how to operate AF switches with DCC.   Steve Lunde --- On Fri, 1/9/09, gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: From: gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF turnouts/DCC Question: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:38 AM Does anyone know if it is possible to use original AF turnouts with a DCC decoder? Someone mentioned that there was a stationary decoder available which would work and that each could control 4/6 turnouts. (One could connect several turnouts to be thrown with the same signal). As yet, I have not been able to get a definitive answer. I am running original AF track and turnouts. Like Doug Peck once told me, "That is like running re-tread tires on a brand new luxury vehicle". However, I like the nostalgia, the layout was originally built for this, and I sure would hate to tear all down and begin from scratch. Before I go down the path of DCC and run into a dead end, I would appreciate any advice from the peanut gallery. (don't want to convert my AF engines and then have to switch back out of frustration) . Thanks again. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51993	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: The Good, The Bad and the Layout

Hello All, The Good: It's Great to be a Florida Gator! Another BCS National Championship trophy is headed for the display case – the second in the past three years! The Bad: I fell in the garage the evening of December 29 hitting on my left side – first my knee, then my hip, then my shoulder and then my temple. The resulting damage was a dislocated knee cap and a fractured hip – luckily no rib or shoulder damage and no concussion. The knee cap popped back into place while I was laying on the floor waiting for the paramedics. The knee pain was extreme but I had no other pain. In the emergency room they x-rayed the knee and found no problems. I asked them to x-ray the hip and once the doctor ordered the x-ray they found the hip fracture – a clean break across the bone at the base of the hip ball. I went into surgery at 6:00 PM December 30 and was awake in the recovery room at 8:00 PM. The surgeon had placed three screws in the hip to stabilize the fracture. The next morning physical therapy visited my room and I was up and walking using a walker just a little over 13 hours after the operation. I came home the afternoon of January 3 and am recovering and working from home. By the way the annual Houston area TCA meet was also on January 3 so of course I missed that. What a miserable way to celebrate New Year's! The Layout: My plan was to start working on the new layout in our new home here in Houston after cleaning out the garage. It looks like there will be a couple of months delay because the layout is in the game room on the second floor and I can not go up or down stairs until I get clearance from the doctor. Luckily everything I need to survive is on the first floor. Although there is some question as to am I really surviving when all my AF is not reachable – lol! David Tyner Aka: Bull-Gator-1 University of Florida: BS Chemical Engineering 1977, MBA 1982

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51994	From: boguscop1953	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.

Hi Carl: So if I purchase Lionel PH-1 Power Supply, Command Base & Cab-1 Controller, will this work? Thanks, Jim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > > Jim, > > The diagram you are referring to is for the Command Base wiring. It's single wire carries the TMCC 455Khz radio signal to the track and is received by the TMCC locos. The Command Base is used only to control TMCC equipped locos. > > To control Conventional unmodified AF locos with TMCC you and use a Powermaster or TPC unit connected to the track. That behaves like a remote control power pack with the TMCC remote (Cab-1) controlling the voltage output to the track. The Powermaster or TPC units have a TMCC receiver in them and connect in-between a transformer and the track. > > See this link for diagram: > http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC_Hookup/tn_TMCCPowerMasterHookup.jpg > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Alsman > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:56 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives. > > I've been operating AF trains on and off since 1968, and have just recently gotten back into them. > > I was looking at the Lionel TMCC Control System to use with my existing AF layout and unmodified locomotives. As I understand the operation of TMCC, it would give me smoother ramp-up voltage to the locomotives and would let me operate the layout in walk-around mode. I wouldnt be able to use the other features of TMCC such as sounds, etc, unless I modified the locomotives. > > In the diagram on Carl's S Gauge Empire titled " TMCC Command Base hookup with an American Flyer transformer", this shows a single wire coming from the Command Base Receiver Track Terminal to the base rail on the track. I simply do not see how this would work unless the TMCC Command Base Receiver is acting as a variable resistance to bleed off voltage and current going to the track. > > I know the TMCC CAB-1 Controller communicates via radio with the Command Base Receiver. > > The question about this I have is are my assumptions correct about how my existing unmodified locomotives would work with the TMCC, and is this how the TMCC controls the voltage/current to the track? > > Thanks, Jim Alsman (Indiana) > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51995	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.

Jim, To control ONLY NON TMCC Conventional locos you need a power source, either a train transformer or a PH-1 to supply power to the POWERMASTER or TPC, and a Cab-1 remote control. To control only TMCC equipped locos you need a COMMAND BASE and power source such as a train transformer or PH-1 and a CAB-1 remote. To do all of the above you need a Command Base, Powermaster or TPC, Cab-1 and power source such as a train transformer or PH-1. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boguscop1953 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives. Hi Carl: So if I purchase Lionel PH-1 Power Supply, Command Base & Cab-1 Controller, will this work? Thanks, Jim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > > Jim, > > The diagram you are referring to is for the Command Base wiring. It's single wire carries the TMCC 455Khz radio signal to the track and is received by the TMCC locos. The Command Base is used only to control TMCC equipped locos. > > To control Conventional unmodified AF locos with TMCC you and use a Powermaster or TPC unit connected to the track. That behaves like a remote control power pack with the TMCC remote (Cab-1) controlling the voltage output to the track. The Powermaster or TPC units have a TMCC receiver in them and connect in-between a transformer and the track. > > See this link for diagram: > http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC_Hookup/tn_TMCCPowerMasterHookup.jpg > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Alsman > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:56 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives. > > I've been operating AF trains on and off since 1968, and have just recently gotten back into them. > > I was looking at the Lionel TMCC Control System to use with my existing AF layout and unmodified locomotives. As I understand the operation of TMCC, it would give me smoother ramp-up voltage to the locomotives and would let me operate the layout in walk-around mode. I wouldnt be able to use the other features of TMCC such as sounds, etc, unless I modified the locomotives. > > In the diagram on Carl's S Gauge Empire titled " TMCC Command Base hookup with an American Flyer transformer", this shows a single wire coming from the Command Base Receiver Track Terminal to the base rail on the track. I simply do not see how this would work unless the TMCC Command Base Receiver is acting as a variable resistance to bleed off voltage and current going to the track. > > I know the TMCC CAB-1 Controller communicates via radio with the Command Base Receiver. > > The question about this I have is are my assumptions correct about how my existing unmodified locomotives would work with the TMCC, and is this how the TMCC controls the voltage/current to the track? > > Thanks, Jim Alsman (Indiana) > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51996	From: William Porter	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, The Bad and the Layout

Hi David, Sorry to hear about your mishap. Happy to hear about your refurbishment. Do the screws mean that you are no longer all original? Does it take your rating down to C-6? Go Gators, Bill in Florida Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:35 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, The Bad and the Layout Hello All, The Good: It's Great to be a Florida Gator! Another BCS National Championship trophy is headed for the display case - the second in the past three years! The Bad: I fell in the garage the evening of December 29 hitting on my left side - first my knee, then my hip, then my shoulder and then my temple. The resulting damage was a dislocated knee cap and a fractured hip - luckily no rib or shoulder damage and no concussion. The knee cap popped back into place while I was laying on the floor waiting for the paramedics. The knee pain was extreme but I had no other pain. In the emergency room they x-rayed the knee and found no problems. I asked them to x-ray the hip and once the doctor ordered the x-ray they found the hip fracture - a clean break across the bone at the base of the hip ball. I went into surgery at 6:00 PM December 30 and was awake in the recovery room at 8:00 PM. The surgeon had placed three screws in the hip to stabilize the fracture. The next morning physical therapy visited my room and I was up and walking using a walker just a little over 13 hours after the operation. I came home the afternoon of January 3 and am recovering and working from home. By the way the annual Houston area TCA meet was also on January 3 so of course I missed that. What a miserable way to celebrate New Year's! The Layout: My plan was to start working on the new layout in our new home here in Houston after cleaning out the garage. It looks like there will be a couple of months delay because the layout is in the game room on the second floor and I can not go up or down stairs until I get clearance from the doctor. Luckily everything I need to survive is on the first floor. Although there is some question as to am I really surviving when all my AF is not reachable - lol! David Tyner Aka: Bull-Gator-1 University of Florida: BS Chemical Engineering 1977, MBA 1982 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51997	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Styrofoam on the layout/ S-Modular?

- GreetingS - Sir Firewood asked about thick extruded foam insulation board as the principal component of a modular table. I find it a great idea. I have a large radius corner module which measures 7' across fartherest corners. It has 5 legs and has survived two 2-day shows with no sign of damage. The top surface is thin panel plywood with 1" foam beneath and a wall stud (1 1/2" x 3 1/2") beneath the foam. It is quite rigid. Under construction is a 2 1/2' x 4' straight module with similar ply- wood and foam construction. Underneath bracing runs from center of 4' front to center of 4' back. This one will not have legs. Instead, it will rest on the adjacent modules and carry matching track. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51998	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, The Bad and the Layout

Hang in there, David. i went through the broken hip scenario last July. Of course my layout was in the basement. One of the hardest parts was trying to explain why is was SO important to be able to navigate the stairs ASAP! My best advice is to be very diligent with the rehab exercises. I'm not flying up and down the stairs like a kid any more, but I can make it, even if it's slow. Getting older has it's rewards - but a broken hip isn't one of them!! Good luck to you! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> > Hello All, > > The Good: It's Great to be a Florida Gator! Another BCS National > Championship trophy is headed for the display case � the second in > the past three years! > > The Bad: I fell in the garage the evening of December 29 hitting on > my left side � first my knee, then my hip, then my shoulder and then > my temple. The resulting damage was a dislocated knee cap and a > fractured hip � luckily no rib or shoulder damage and no > concussion. The knee cap popped back into place while I was laying > on the floor waiting for the paramedics. The knee pain was extreme > but I had no other pain. In the emergency room they x-rayed the > knee and found no problems. I asked them to x-ray the hip and once > the doctor ordered the x-ray they found the hip fracture � a clean > break across the bone at the base of the hip ball. I went into > surgery at 6:00 PM December 30 and was awake in the recovery room at > 8:00 PM. The surgeon had placed three screws in the hip to > stabilize the fracture. The next morning physical therapy visited > my room and I was up and walking using a walker just a little over > 13 hours after the operation. I came home the afternoon of January > 3 and am recovering and working from home. By the way the annual > Houston area TCA meet was also on January 3 so of course I missed > that. What a miserable way to celebrate New Year's! > > The Layout: My plan was to start working on the new layout in our > new home here in Houston after cleaning out the garage. It looks > like there will be a couple of months delay because the layout is in > the game room on the second floor and I can not go up or down stairs > until I get clearance from the doctor. Luckily everything I need to > survive is on the first floor. Although there is some question as > to am I really surviving when all my AF is not reachable � lol! > > David Tyner > > Aka: Bull-Gator-1 > > University of Florida: BS Chemical Engineering 1977, MBA 1982 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51999	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:

It is possible, but you will have to fire the switch controller via a relay that can handle the current (appx 3 amps) The DCC decoders (for the most part) aren't stout enough. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/09/2009 9:07:47 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, gettysburg@... writes: Does anyone know if it is possible to use original AF turnouts with a DCC decoder? Someone mentioned that there was a stationary decoder available which would work and that each could control 4/6 turnouts. (One could connect several turnouts to be thrown with the same signal). As yet, I have not been able to get a definitive answer. I am running original AF track and turnouts. Like Doug Peck once told me, "That is like running re-tread tires on a brand new luxury vehicle". However, I like the nostalgia, the layout was originally built for this, and I sure would hate to tear all down and begin from scratch. Before I go down the path of DCC and run into a dead end, I would appreciate any advice from the peanut gallery. (don't want to convert my AF engines and then have to switch back out of frustration)my AF eng again. Paul **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52000	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: train help

What is the # of the engine? I think 307 did not have smoke units. Second is the "Turkey Baster" thing red" if not please describe a bit better. In the smoke stack is there a little red or brass pipe? I don't know if water is a good idea, smoke fluid is what is intended for the unit. And as luck would have it I supply it. Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 In a message dated 1/9/2009 8:09:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mrcalvincevansjr@... writes: How do I get smoke to come out of the smoke stack? It has a little bulb like a turkey baster. I don't want to put water in the smoke stack and ruin everything. I'm located in Pittsburgh, Pa. Thanks!! Calvin. Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52001	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: train help

Calvin,   Is this an American Flyer loco? If so, what number is it. From your description, it sounds like the loco in question is a non-smokeing loco. Not all steam locos had smoke units, especially the "economy" models. If it is supposed to smoke, it will have a small tube in the smoke stack that runs into the smoke unit. Some locos also had the smoke unit in thee tender but you would still not see a light bulb in the smoke stack.   Regards, Nick Kulp   --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. <mrcalvincevansjr@...> wrote: From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. <mrcalvincevansjr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] train help To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 11:03 AM How do I get smoke to come out of the smoke stack? It has a little bulb like a turkey baster. I don't want to put water in the smoke stack and ruin everything. I'm located in Pittsburgh, Pa. Thanks!! Calvin. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52002	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: train help

In order to get smoke out of the smoke stack you need to put smoke fluid INTO the smoke stack. The little red bulb you refer to is a smoke fluid container. You nip the end off of it and squeeze the fluid into the stack insert. Most of them in existence today are pretty well dried up. You do not leave it in the stack. Liquid smoke fluid in bottles with a dropper are available from dealers that are on this list. NEVER get water anywhere near your loco...... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/09/2009 9:09:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrcalvincevansjr@... writes: How do I get smoke to come out of the smoke stack? It has a little bulb like a turkey baster. I don't want to put water in the smoke stack and ruin everything. I'm located in Pittsburgh, Pa. Thanks!! Calvin. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52003	From: laing48185	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4" <preardon@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I think I remember seeing an advertisment or a post for Gargraves S > track with plastic ties. Am I off base here? And, If not, Does anyone > know where I can purchase this track? > Thanks, Pat > Hi Pat, I have a lot of Gargraves S track that I'm not using. It is in really good shape if you are interested contact me offline via email. I know I have 42" curves with plastic ties, 042" curves with wood ties, long straights with wood ties, along with a bunch of the 42" remote switches. I also have unused S gauge cork roadbed. Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52004	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF turnouts/DCC Question:

I have been running all of my 28 Flyer switches wit DCC  control for about  8 years. Each switch is assigned a number  and it is thrown as an accessory  through my  NCE  controler. Absolutely  flawless. Of course there is more to the story than that.  It all started with  Easy DCC's accessoory decoders.  Each handles up to four switches. Go for it. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Lunde <ace5348@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:25 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF turnouts/DCC Question: Paul,   Go to www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge.  Click on DCC info and open:  Getting started with DCC, with specifics for S.  This is a 35 pages of great info.  Page 34 explains how to operate AF switches with DCC.   Steve Lunde --- On Fri, 1/9/09, gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: From: gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF turnouts/DCC Question: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 9:38 AM Does anyone know if it is possible to use original AF turnouts with a DCC decoder? Someone mentioned that there was a stationary decoder available which would work and that each could control 4/6 turnouts. (One could connect several turnouts to be thrown with the same signal). As yet, I have not been able to get a definitive answer. I am running original=2 0AF track and turnouts. Like Doug Peck once told me, "That is like running re-tread tires on a brand new luxury vehicle". However, I like the nostalgia, the layout was originally built for this, and I sure would hate to tear all down and begin from scratch. Before I go down the path of DCC and run into a dead end, I would appreciate any advice from the peanut gallery. (don't want to convert my AF engines and then have to switch back out of frustration) . Thanks again. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52005	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Gargraves Plastic Ties

Yes, Gargraves did at one time make S tin plate track with plastic ties, with UV protectant. It was available either with galvanized or stainless steel rails. Sadly, they discontinued making the plastic tie product, which, with the stainless steel rails, was perfect for that deck layout. Alan Udy Idaho Falls, ID ____________________________________________________________ Free information - Scholarships for college, university or tech school. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1V03qYAMHUAaorHROspt9EELaMe3NSxHFhkTZi6vXNx4T4f/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52006	From: Jim King	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: New HO & S resin kits coming ...

My recent announcement re: upcoming S scale resin kits (B&O M53 wagontop box and SAL B7 turtleback box) has now spread into HO, at least for the B&O car. I'm pleased to announce a collaboration between Smoky Mtn. Model Works and Wright Trak Models on the M53. CAD work will start in 2 weeks with a target release date of the HO car in March and the S car right behind it. The kit will include the "plain" and Youngstown doors with every intent toward making them operable (no guarantees). At least 3 paint schemes are planned. Next is a new HO car now in production by Wright Trak. I delivered the first 100 sets of the Southern 1951 Spencer-built wood rack body and underframe castings (with brass strip weights) to Gary this afternoon. He will be the source for this car, so contact him for availability. Target ship date is by month's end. They will be available direct and thru his dealer network. These cars will be offered with Roman and Block font decals, spanning 1951 until retirement in the early 80s. The C&O car I'm producing in S will likely be offered by Gary, so if you're a C&O nut, let him know you're interested. 2009 is gonna be a BIG year for HO and S resin kits! Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52007	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: The Great Outdoors?

Winter doesn't seem like the best time to be thinking about a layout outdoors, but it is a good time to plan it! One of my many adventures in "playing with trains" was a many year foray into garden railroading. At the time I was in G scale, which was MADE for that purpose by LGB. However, I found out that the British had done this way back and did it in several scales, including OO which is similar in size to HO. They used solid metal rail and powered with track power, on board battery, and clockwork. Just for my own information I made up a piece of pressure treated wood and mounted different sections of track to it. I used Atlas HO with N/S rail, regular Lionel, and American Flyer sectional, Gargraves O with stainless rail. Plastic not meant to be UV ray "stable" began to actually disolve and crumble in a year, which eliminates HO and any similar plastic tie track, even thought the nickel silver rail was still good. The Lionel and Flyer track was rusted, but still reasonably strong. Unfortunately, sanding the rust away ruined that. The Gargraves rail stayed pretty good with light surface rust, easily cleaned off, but the wood ties began to rot. So if moving outdoors sounds like something you'd consider to gain layout space, think about what you're up against. Mother Nature doesn't like to be fooled with! Anything being left in the weather has got to be tough! Stumpy Stone...garden railroader 1983-1997 in eastrn Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52008	From: majordadsage	Date: 1/9/2009
Subject: Metal Tender Shell

I have a 290 Steam Engine. The metal tabs on the tender shell are broken off/missing. Other than buying another shell, any suggestions? Does anyone have a shell for sale? Thanks John in French Lick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52009	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Metal Tender Shell

John,   You can epoxy Plastruct square rod inside each corner, drill matching holes in the tender base and rod and tap for 2-56 mounting screws. This method worked for and old Silver Bullet tender for me.   Bob --- On Fri, 1/9/09, majordadsage <majordadsage@...> wrote: From: majordadsage <majordadsage@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Metal Tender Shell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:22 PM I have a 290 Steam Engine. The metal tabs on the tender shell are broken off/missing. Other than buying another shell, any suggestions? Does anyone have a shell for sale? Thanks John in French Lick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52010	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Metal Tender Shell

Go to your local hobby store (if any) and buy some thin copper sheeting or copper strip. Cut four pieces about 3/8 of an inch long and 1/8 inch wide. Remove the paint inside the tender shell below where the broken tabs were. Tin about 1/2 of the copper strips with solder and then solder them into place inside the tender. Paint them black with a sharpie and you are up and running with new tabs. Cut them to length after mounting the shell. Twist them gently and there ya go! Steve SnS trains Boise In a message dated 01/09/2009 7:42:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, majordadsage@... writes: I have a 290 Steam Engine. The metal tabs on the tender shell are broken off/missing. Other than buying another shell, any suggestions? Does anyone have a shell for sale? Thanks John in French Lick **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52011	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Lionel 6-48064 milwaukee northern

Does anyone have an opinion of the Milwaukee Northern? I have heard the reissued 4-8-4 and the mikes were not without their problems.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52012	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: S-Trax #00467 Crossing set, 90 deg ?

It appears that the S-Trax #00467 Crossing set, 90 deg listed on page 2 of the S-Trax Primer and Track Planning Guide was wishful thinking. I called S-Helper Service over a year ago, and they said maybe summer of 2008. The product is still not listed on www.showcaseline.com. My problem is I converted any existing module Christmas layout that I designed using RR-Track from AF tubular to S-Trax. The layout already had a AF 90 deg cross when I decided to convert to S-Trax. I am currently still using the AF cross with S-Trax conversion pins. However, I did not want to modify the end of the S-Trax, so I simply made short extension rails, that look funky. I would like to fabfricate a 90 deg cross by cutting 10" S-Trax straights and possibly using the center of the AF cross. Has anyone ever tried this? Dale Chaudiere Lynnwood, WA P.S. I have a NIB S-Trax #00463 #3 Manual Right Hand Switch, which I ordered by mistake. Make me an offer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52013	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Gargraves (plastic ties)

Hi, Gargraves did manufacture sectional curved plastic tie track track. The tooling for the process broke several years ago and because there was not a huge demand for the track they decided not to replace the tooling. However there was enough demand for track that they are now making the sectional curve track with wooden ties. I personally like the wooden ties better as they deaden the sound better. Check out their web site for products available. Lou Baldi http://www.gargraves.com/ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4" <preardon@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I think I remember seeing an advertisment or a post for Gargraves S > track with plastic ties. Am I off base here? And, If not, Does anyone > know where I can purchase this track? > Thanks, Pat >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52014	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Metal Tender Shell: easily replace those tabs!

I've long used metal cannibalized from junker cars & accessories to make new tabs. If I've stripped shells with the intention of repainting them, then I attach the replacements by soldering them. If original's paint to be retained, then don't jeopardize the paint with the heat required for soldering: for those circumstances I use epoxy. Snip strips of appropriate width but longer length (1" is more than enough). Clamp the surfaces if using epoxy. Place a disposable insulator (i.e. aluminum foil) amongst the surfaces of the clamp and the piece being repaired. Any foil that doesn't readily peel off after the epoxy has cured is easily taken off with a miniature wire wheel. And of course, when first doing this, experiment with a piece that's unimportant! Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52015	From: ekaplan707	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Operation with Existing AF Unmodified Locomotives.

A TPC300 is a superior product and provides more power then the Power Master. It allows you to control track voltage using a TMCC Command set (Cab1 remote and Command Base). Because of the pulsed output it will allow much improved control of your old engines and you will be able to walk around your layout rather then being stuck in front of a transformer. Plus if you have any engines with a bell or whistle electronic board like some of the MPC Alco PB units, you can operate those sounds using the bell and horn buttons on the Cab1. The TPC puts a DC offset on the track to turn on those sounds. The first time I ran my 336 Northern with this setup it was amazing how well the engine ran. It is also possible to to convert engines to full command control including sounds using available products from multiple sources. The advantage of TMCC is seemless integration of old engines, converted engines and the new commmand engines Lionel is producing. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, James Alsman <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > > I've been operating AF trains on and off since 1968, and have just recently gotten back into them. > > I was looking at the Lionel TMCC Control System to use with my existing AF layout and unmodified locomotives. As I understand the operation of TMCC, it would give me smoother ramp-up voltage to the locomotives and would let me operate the layout in walk-around mode. I wouldnt be able to use the other features of TMCC such as sounds, etc, unless I modified the locomotives. > > In the diagram on Carl's S Gauge Empire titled " TMCC Command Base hookup with an American Flyer transformer", this shows a single wire coming from the Command Base Receiver Track Terminal to the base rail on the track. I simply do not see how this would work unless the TMCC Command Base Receiver is acting as a variable resistance to bleed off voltage and current going to the track. > > I know the TMCC CAB-1 Controller communicates via radio with the Command Base Receiver. > > The question about this I have is are my assumptions correct about how my existing unmodified locomotives would work with the TMCC, and is this how the TMCC controls the voltage/current to the track? > > Thanks, Jim Alsman (Indiana) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52016	From: rlgriggs	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Converting Lionel 'O' Auto Carrier cars to 'S'

I've added additional step, grab, & ladder details to the original Lionel Southern Pacific 2-tier Auto Carrier car I converted to 'S' about a year and a half ago. I've since created two 2-tier auto carrier cars from a single Lionel Santa Fe 3-tier auto carrier car. I had to create the flat-car section from scratch for the 2nd car, but it wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be. You can see my latest 'S' conversions at: s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/rlgriggs/Autocarrier/?g2_page=1 I added 20 photos with comments to my original album. In the process, I also created some Santa Fe 'decals' that can be trimmed and applied to additional cars (four different road numbers were created). Anyone interested can let me know and I can email the ".pdf" document file necessary to print them out. Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52017	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal

How did you get burned by a money order? I am selling a boat for 7000 and he wants to use a money order to pay. Tom David 1.708.699.9148 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52018	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal

Make sure the MO is real & not a copy. I know someone that got stuck with 5 fake USPO MO's. Mike In a message dated 1/10/2009 10:00:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tomminil@... writes: How did you get burned by a money order? I am selling a boat for 7000 and he wants to use a money order to pay. Tom David 1.708.699.9148 ************************<WBR>**A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See your steps! (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http ://pr.ahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolhttp://prhttp://prht_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http:// www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=De) cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52019	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal

Carefull.... seems to me the limit on Money Orders is about 100.00.... x 70 in fees or about .50 each.... 35.00????? CASHIERS CHECK IS ABOUT 5.00!!!!!!! i GOT STUCK ON A mo ONCE FOR 4.00.....BANK CHARGED ME A FEE BECAUSE THEY SAID I DIDN'T SIGN IT........ DUH..... I HAD!!!!!!!!! BOB CONNER -------------- Original message from tomminil@...: -------------- How did you get burned by a money order? I am selling a boat for 7000 and he wants to use a money order to pay. Tom David 1.708.699.9148 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52020	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal

Tom,   >>How did you get burned by a money order?  I am selling a boat for 7000  and he wants to use a money order to pay.    As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one taking the risk is the buyer.   The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to mail the MO to the seller.   If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal.   It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is the government, you will probably die before any resolution is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back in the market for another sucker.   One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO with a credit card. The only other protection you could have had to dispute the payment.   Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not release the money until the item is recieved and meets the seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52021	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal

USPO limit is $1,000.00 I always ask that the MO be a USPO MO. Mike In a message dated 1/10/2009 10:48:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: Carefull.... seems to me the limit on Money Orders is about 100.00.... x 70 in fees or about .50 each.... 35.00????? CASHIERS CHECK IS ABOUT 5.00!!!!!!! i GOT STUCK ON A mo ONCE FOR 4.00.....BANK CHARGED ME A FEE BECAUSE THEY SAID I DIDN'T SIGN IT........ DUH..... I HAD!!!!!!!!! BOB CONNER ------------------------<WBR>-- Origi_tomminil@..._ (mailto:tomminil@...) : ------------: How did you get burned by a money order? I am selling a boat for 7000 and he wants to use a money order to pay. Tom David 1.708.699.9148 ************************<WBR>**A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See your steps! (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http ://pr.ahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolhttp://prhttp://prht_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http:// www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=De) cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52022	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Midwest Trailer Decal

I saw a really nice looking semi-trailer at the plant where I work today. I took a couple of pictures of the truck and made a high resolution set of graphics to use to create decals. I wonder if anyone has done business with any of the custom decal folks on the internet, or who frequent this list, and could make a recommendation? The link the pictures of the truck, and a low resolution gif of the decal graphic is at the link below: http://www.mwkiner.com/crane/midwest_truck.htm Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52023	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: Converting . . . . . to 'S'

----- Original Message ----- From: rlgriggs . . . . . . . . . I've since created two 2-tier auto carrier cars from a single Lionel Santa Fe 3-tier auto carrier car.. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > Interesting. If you shortened all the posts, you could use all three decks. Double-deckers carry vans and pick-ups, triple deckers carry standard sedans. I see a light of space between the tops of the bottom level cars and the bottom of the deck above. I also noticed on the wall a Husky Stack double stack car with a trailer in it. If you like converting O-27 cars, get an MTH Railking Husky Stack and convert it to S. Narrowing it down makes it more suitable for S, and it's an All Purpose car, which means it's intended to carry containers or trailers. They have a trailer hitch at each end specifically for carrying trailers. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52024	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/11/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 11, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52025	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

Interesting!  I consulted with the manager of my bank when I started selling a lot of stuff on ebay and he told me a money order was no better than a personal check.  He advised accepting only USPS money orders and cashing them at the post office rather than depositing them in the bank.  What he told me is that the buyer can't stop payment after you get the cash, but he CAN up until then.  Is that not true?   He told me that the post office computer will know whether he has stopped payment, but there's no way to know that if you deposit it in the bank.  The banks clear money orders the same way they clear checks and it can take months before the transaction is truly, absolutely final.  The fact that it hasn't bounced in two weeks is no guarantee that it won't; people simply use ten days or two weeks as a rule of thumb to reduce the probability that they'll get stuck with a bounced check or money order.   My bank manager says he accepts nothing but PayPal because its protection for the seller is better than any other payment method out there.   Another guy I know just told me about Green Dot cards.  He claims they're just as safe as PayPal, but the buyer pays all the fees and it's cheaper than PayPal for large transactions.  Has anybody used Green Dot and what's your experience with it? --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:54 AM Tom,   >>How did you get burned by a money order?  I am selling a boat for 7000  and he wants to use a money order to pay.    As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one taking the risk is the buyer.   The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to mail the MO to the seller.   If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal.   It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is the government, you will probably die before any resolution is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back in the market for another sucker.   One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO with a credit card. The only other protection you could have had to dispute the payment.   Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not release the money until the item is recieved and meets the seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52026	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs cashier's checks

Be careful with cashier's checks!  There was a big scam going around San Diego a couple of years ago: people would pay for expensive jewelry and collectibles with cashier's checks and then go back to the bank to stop payment saying they had lost them. A cashier's check is no more safe than a personal check. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, rcon7@... <rcon7@...> wrote: From: rcon7@... <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, preardon@... Cc: tomminil@... Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:27 AM Carefull.... seems to me the limit on Money Orders is about 100.00.... x 70 in fees or about .50 each.... 35.00????? CASHIERS CHECK IS ABOUT 5.00!!!!!!! i GOT STUCK ON A mo ONCE FOR 4.00.....BANK CHARGED ME A FEE BECAUSE THEY SAID I DIDN'T SIGN IT........ DUH..... I HAD!!!!!!!!! BOB CONNER ------------ -- Original message from tomminil@aol. com: ------------ -- How did you get burned by a money order? I am selling a boat for 7000 and he wants to use a money order to pay. Tom David 1.708.699.9148 ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52027	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: ebay item

An interesting way in selling something on ebay that I have never seen done before. I am not sure if I want to see this or not continue. lol at least it is a Lionel item. 280299170347 is what you have to key in for search as it did not sell. and then her member picture! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52028	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2009
Subject: The Good, The Bad and the Layout

Bull, Real sorry to hear 'bout your fall. Hope you're back in the swing real soon. I was rooting for the Gators, also. A great ball game! I know the other guy was kidding about your declassification, down to a C-6, and all, but seriously, if it's just screws, and no new "plastic", or titanium, guess you can't say you're repro, either. Get well soon, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52029	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: ebay item

Well, I've seen it before on eBay ........ but not in THIS type of category !!!!! Rick. > An interesting way in selling something on ebay that I have never > seen done before. > > I am not sure if I want to see this or not continue. > > lol > > at least it is a Lionel item. > > 280299170347 is what you have to key in for search as it did not sell. > > and then her member picture! > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52030	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs cashier's checks

money orders can be faked as it was reported earlier. I seen this before. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs cashier's checks Be careful with cashier's checks! There was a big scam going around San Diego a couple of years ago: people would pay for expensive jewelry and collectibles with cashier's checks and then go back to the bank to stop payment saying they had lost them. A cashier's check is no more safe than a personal check. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, rcon7@... <rcon7@...> wrote: From: rcon7@... <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, preardon@... Cc: tomminil@... Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:27 AM Carefull.... seems to me the limit on Money Orders is about 100.00.... x 70 in fees or about .50 each.... 35.00????? CASHIERS CHECK IS ABOUT 5.00!!!!!!! i GOT STUCK ON A mo ONCE FOR 4.00.....BANK CHARGED ME A FEE BECAUSE THEY SAID I DIDN'T SIGN IT........ DUH..... I HAD!!!!!!!!! BOB CONNER ------------ -- Original message from tomminil@aol. com: ------------ -- How did you get burned by a money order? I am selling a boat for 7000 and he wants to use a money order to pay. Tom David 1.708.699.9148 ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52031	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: ebay item

and he notes - At least it gives the viewer the size of the... ah... water tank. Raleigh in snowy Maine 0/2009, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: >An interesting way in selling something on ebay that I have never >seen done before. > >I am not sure if I want to see this or not continue. > >lol > >at least it is a Lionel item. > >280299170347 is what you have to key in for search as it did not sell. > >and then her member picture! > >Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52032	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, The Bad and the Layout

There's always some one that's looking for a good runner, and if it hit's the floor - well it's a runner still. This group is filled with good runners! I'm one too.... With a little rust, and a few dents that's not going to stop me. You will be back up on your feet soon! Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> wrote: > From: Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:The Good, The Bad and the Layout > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:08 PM > Bull, Real sorry to hear 'bout your fall. Hope > you're back in the swing real > soon. I was rooting for the Gators, also. A great ball > game! > I know the other guy was kidding about your > declassification, down to a > C-6, and all, but seriously, if it's just screws, and > no new "plastic", or > titanium, guess you can't say you're repro, > either. > Get well soon, > > > Carlton > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52033	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

I'm going to look in to this. I just deposited a USPS check in my checking, but was going to clear in at the post office when shipping a item off. Now I read this.... Clayton MILwaukie OR --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:08 PM > Interesting!  I consulted with the manager of my bank when > I started selling a lot of stuff on ebay and he told me a > money order was no better than a personal check.  He > advised accepting only USPS money orders and cashing them at > the post office rather than depositing them in the bank.  > What he told me is that the buyer can't stop payment > after you get the cash, but he CAN up until then.  Is that > not true? >   > He told me that the post office computer will know whether > he has stopped payment, but there's no way to know > that if you deposit it in the bank.  The banks clear money > orders the same way they clear checks and it can take months > before the transaction is truly, absolutely final.  The > fact that it hasn't bounced in two weeks is no guarantee > that it won't; people simply use ten days or two weeks > as a rule of thumb to reduce the probability that > they'll get stuck with a bounced check or money order. >   > My bank manager says he accepts nothing but PayPal because > its protection for the seller is better than any other > payment method out there. >   > Another guy I know just told me about Green Dot cards.  He > claims they're just as safe as PayPal, but the buyer > pays all the fees and it's cheaper than PayPal for large > transactions.  Has anybody used Green Dot and what's > your experience with it? > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> > wrote: > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:54 AM > > > > > > > Tom, >   > >>How did you get burned by a money order?  I am > selling a boat for 7000  and > he wants to use a money order to pay.  > >   > As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one > taking the risk is the buyer. >   > The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift > card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be > stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then > you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to > mail the MO to the seller. >   > If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", > unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their > mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's > funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal. >   > It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are > honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a > thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint > with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is > the government, you will probably die before any resolution > is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back > in the market for another sucker. >   > One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO > with a credit card. The only other protection you could have > had to dispute the payment. >   > Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find > a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not > release the money until the item is recieved and meets the > seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk. >   > Regards, > Nick Kulp > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52034	From: jananderson99	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: soldering wire to tender rivet

I am having a problem soldering the wire back on my 287 tender unit. How big of a soldering gun-iron do I need? I am afraid I'll damage the insulator between frame and rivet. Thanks Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52035	From: The LANIERs	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet

I remove the wheels sets before soldering the wire; this prevents them from becoming a heat sinks through the wiper, causing the rivet to not heat up as much. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: jananderson99 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] soldering wire to tender rivet I am having a problem soldering the wire back on my 287 tender unit. How big of a soldering gun-iron do I need? I am afraid I'll damage the insulator between frame and rivet. Thanks Chuck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52036	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet

Soldering can be an art. There are several things to consider. Use a large enough wattage iron to heat the joint QUICKLY so there is not damage to surrounding materials. Too low a wattage and you will do damage because of the length of time the heat is applied. A 100 watt iron is not an unreasonable wattage to do a rivet as long as you apply the heat for only a few seconds. Use additional flux that is non corrosive such as Kesters Electrical Flux on the rivet before you heat the joint. Do not rely just on the flux in the solder when doing a stubborn joint. Tin the wire first before soldering to the Rivet. Clean the Rivet with a Dremel wire brush before heating. Clean the solder joint when done with alcohol to remove the flux. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jananderson99 Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] soldering wire to tender rivet I am having a problem soldering the wire back on my 287 tender unit. How big of a soldering gun-iron do I need? I am afraid I'll damage the insulator between frame and rivet. Thanks Chuck ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52037	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet

I was lucky to get my Dads. The solder gun he had is a two stage - low then high power, and with a lite too. See if you can fined one like that. What you need for the wires in not what you need for a rivet. I also have the old style - wood burning, but love the one from my Dad. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 1/11/09, jananderson99 <jananderson99@...> wrote: > From: jananderson99 <jananderson99@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] soldering wire to tender rivet > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:49 AM > I am having a problem soldering the wire back on my 287 > tender unit. > How big of a soldering gun-iron do I need? I am afraid > I'll damage the > insulator between frame and rivet. Thanks Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52038	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet

One more thing to add is that the rivets, and insolators are still being made if all goes wrong. I have run in to jobs that have been worked on, and then some. Then when I get it the insolator is just about gone, and or is shot.... Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] soldering wire to tender rivet > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 7:21 AM > Soldering can be an art. > > There are several things to consider. > > Use a large enough wattage iron to heat the joint QUICKLY > so there is not > damage to surrounding materials. Too low a wattage and you > will do damage > because of the length of time the heat is applied. A 100 > watt iron is not an > unreasonable wattage to do a rivet as long as you apply the > heat for only a > few seconds. > > Use additional flux that is non corrosive such as Kesters > Electrical Flux on > the rivet before you heat the joint. Do not rely just on > the flux in the > solder when doing a stubborn joint. > > Tin the wire first before soldering to the Rivet. > > Clean the Rivet with a Dremel wire brush before heating. > > Clean the solder joint when done with alcohol to remove the > flux. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of jananderson99 > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:49 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] soldering wire to tender rivet > > > I am having a problem soldering the wire back on my 287 > tender unit. > How big of a soldering gun-iron do I need? I am afraid > I'll damage the > insulator between frame and rivet. Thanks Chuck > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52039	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

I'm a retired USPS window clerk and been doing business on ebay for years now. I recommend using the USPS money orders, but I also suggest you take them to your local post office to verify that they are authentic.  There are huge number of forgeries being passed around that look pretty real and aren't.  The post office can verify if the money order is genuine, and can cash it for you as well.  Depositing a money order can be risky for several reasons, especially if it's bogus.  Remember when dealing with an ebay transaction, never ship the item until all funds have cleared the bank, one way or the other.  --- On Sun, 1/11/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:41 AM I'm going to look in to this. I just deposited a USPS check in my checking, but was going to clear in at the post office when shipping a item off. Now I read this.... Clayton MILwaukie OR --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:08 PM > Interesting!  I consulted with the manager of my bank when > I started selling a lot of stuff on ebay and he told me a > money order was no better than a personal check.  He > advised accepting only USPS money orders and cashing them at > the post office rather than depositing them in the bank.  > What he told me is that the buyer can't stop payment > after you get the cash, but he CAN up until then.  Is that > not true? >   > He told me that the post office computer will know whether > he has stopped payment, but there's no way to know > that if you deposit it in the bank.  The banks clear money > orders the same way they clear checks and it can take months > before the transaction is truly, absolutely final.  The > fact that it hasn't bounced in two weeks is no guarantee > that it won't; people simply use ten days or two weeks > as a rule of thumb to reduce the probability that > they'll get stuck with a bounced check or money order. >   > My bank manager says he accepts nothing but PayPal because > its protection for the seller is better than any other > payment method out there. >   > Another guy I know just told me about Green Dot cards.  He > claims they're just as safe as PayPal, but the buyer > pays all the fees and it's cheaper than PayPal for large > transactions.  Has anybody used Green Dot and what's > your experience with it? > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> > wrote: > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:54 AM > > > > > > > Tom, >   > >>How did you get burned by a money order?  I am > selling a boat for 7000  and > he wants to use a money order to pay.  > >   > As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one > taking the risk is the buyer. >   > The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift > card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be > stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then > you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to > mail the MO to the seller. >   > If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", > unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their > mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's > funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal. >   > It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are > honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a > thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint > with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is > the government, you will probably die before any resolution > is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back > in the market for another sucker. >   > One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO > with a credit card. The only other protection you could have > had to dispute the payment. >   > Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find > a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not > release the money until the item is recieved and meets the > seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk. >   > Regards, > Nick Kulp > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52040	From: ken garber	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: 90 crossing

I made an approximate 60 degree crossing using some 15" straights for use in a figure 8 I had mage for display. The display is now history but I've hung onto the crossing although I don't know why. It was meant to run scale but I think with my building qualities, it may run hirail. : ) I have a shot of it at http://home.cogeco.ca/~railroad/Model/projects/layout/SHS60.jpg My method of construction: Leave the one track untouched and cut the other in half, then cut flangeways throught the first. regards, Ken On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:02 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > There are 20 messages in this issue. > > > Messages in this topic (1) > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > 3. S-Trax #00467 Crossing set, 90 deg ? > Posted by: "Dale Chaudiere" Dale.Chaudiere@... jeepnikdale > Date: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:30 am ((PST)) > > It appears that the S-Trax #00467 Crossing set, 90 deg listed on > page 2 of the S-Trax Primer and Track Planning Guide was wishful > thinking. I called S-Helper Service over a year ago, and they said > maybe summer of 2008. The product is still not listed on > www.showcaseline.com. > > My problem is I converted any existing module Christmas layout that > I designed using RR-Track from AF tubular to S-Trax. The layout > already had a AF 90 deg cross when I decided to convert to S-Trax. > I am currently still using the AF cross with S-Trax conversion > pins. However, I did not want to modify the end of the S-Trax, so I > simply made short extension rails, that look funky. > > I would like to fabfricate a 90 deg cross by cutting 10" S-Trax > straights and possibly using the center of the AF cross. Has anyone > ever tried this? > > Dale Chaudiere > Lynnwood, WA > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52041	From: Firewood	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal

Well, so far I have gained a pretty good picture of the whole Paypal experience thanks to y'all. I'm in Canada, so there are fees to be paid for almost everything to do with withdrawals, currency exchange,transfers, change of socks etc. There is a "cross-border" fee which is currently waived, so I have to assume that Paypal will change the rules whenever they feel like it. It seems that a simple account with no ties and used solely for playing on Ebay may be the cheapest, which is what I plan to do anyway. As for M.Os, which I prefer to use, postal money orders don't work outside your own country, so bank draft/MOs are needed. But yes, it is possible to get ripped off with M.Os, especially from far-flung parts of the earth, where the M.O.s can look official but aren't. The following scam was apparently done through Kijiji and Craigslist sites; After placing bids to buy items online, the scam artist informs the seller that they already have an international money order worth more than the item's purchase price. The scam artist sends that money order as payment and requests that the seller return the difference via mail. Trouble is, the money order is a fake. The fraud money order is good enough to get cashed at first, however, the bank returns to the victim after it discovers that the money order is counterfeit. The victim who unknowingly cashed the bogus money order is now legally obligated to repay the bank. Thanks again all, and I hope the above info also helps. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52042	From: William Porter	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: 90 crossing

Hi Ken, That is some nice work. I hope it properly inspires us all to overcome the limits imposed by a small-market scale. I know I plan on something similar for y strange layout. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken garber Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 90 crossing I made an approximate 60 degree crossing using some 15" straights for use in a figure 8 I had made for display. The display is now history but I've hung onto the crossing although I don't know why. It was meant to run scale but I think with my building qualities, it may run hirail. : ) I have a shot of it at http://home. <http://home.cogeco.ca/~railroad/Model/projects/layout/SHS60.jpg> cogeco.ca/~railroad/Model/projects/layout/SHS60.jpg My method of construction: Leave the one track untouched and cut the other in half, then cut flangeways throught the first. regards, Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52043	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO

Sending money to other countries is easy and convenient using a direct international money order. For only $3.85, you can purchase international money orders valued at up to $700 to 30 countries, with additional countries being added in the near future (some exceptions apply - see below). You can then send your money order using Priority Mail International® or Express Mail International®. The money orders can be cashed at the post office locations of the destination country. List of countries accepting direct International Money Orders: Albania Anguilla Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Barbados Belize Bolivia British Virgin Islands Canada Cape Verde Dominica Dominican Republic Ecuador El Salvador ($500 limit) Grenada Guinea Guyana ($500 limit) Honduras Jamaica Japan Mali Mexico Montserrat Peru St. Christopher (St. Kitts) and Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent and the Grenadines Sierra Leone Trinidad and Tobago **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52044	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal

----- Original Message ----- From: Firewood . . . . . I'm in Canada, so. . . . . . . . As for M.Os, which I prefer to use, postal money orders don't work outside your own country. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > Not necessarily true, but some dealers may refuse them just becasue they can. I'm in Michigan USA and once got a postal money order from a person in Ontario Can. My credit union at first acted as if they couldn't deal with it because it didn't have enough digits in the routing code. But I left it with them and less then 24 hours later they contacted me and said "No problem, It's gone through." Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52045	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/11/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52046	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: train help

Was there a engine that had a red light in the boiler to look like some thing   Mike R --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] train help To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:33 PM Calvin,   Is this an American Flyer loco? If so, what number is it. From your description, it sounds like the loco in question is a non-smokeing loco. Not all steam locos had smoke units, especially the "economy" models. If it is supposed to smoke, it will have a small tube in the smoke stack that runs into the smoke unit. Some locos also had the smoke unit in thee tender but you would still not see a light bulb in the smoke stack.   Regards, Nick Kulp   --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. <mrcalvincevansjr@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. <mrcalvincevansjr@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] train help To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 11:03 AM How do I get smoke to come out of the smoke stack? It has a little bulb like a turkey baster. I don't want to put water in the smoke stack and ruin everything. I'm located in Pittsburgh, Pa. Thanks!! Calvin. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52047	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO

As long as it doesn't get stolen in the mail in some of the countries listed! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO Sending money to other countries is easy and convenient using a direct international money order. For only $3.85, you can purchase international money orders valued at up to $700 to 30 countries, with additional countries being added in the near future (some exceptions apply - see below). You can then send your money order using Priority Mail InternationalR or Express Mail InternationalR. The money orders can be cashed at the post office locations of the destination country. List of countries accepting direct International Money Orders: Albania Anguilla Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Barbados Belize Bolivia British Virgin Islands Canada Cape Verde Dominica Dominican Republic Ecuador El Salvador ($500 limit) Grenada Guinea Guyana ($500 limit) Honduras Jamaica Japan Mali Mexico Montserrat Peru St. Christopher (St. Kitts) and Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent and the Grenadines Sierra Leone Trinidad and Tobago **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026> com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52048	From: rlgriggs	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: ‘Updated’ mid-1920’s rib-reinforced steel 34’-4” long, 70-ton c

I updated an old, scratch-built covered hopper by applying a 'newer' paint scheme. I think it turned out quite well, and with minimal effort. You can see what I did at: s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/rlgriggs/Chessie+Cov+Hopper/ Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52049	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: S-Helper SW-1 diesel switchers for sale

Four S-Helper SW-1 diesel switchers: 00446 Western Pacific #503 00448 Milwaukee Road #1634 00455 Southern Pacific #1010 00456 Southern Pacific #1014 All are new in the original box with MSRP $199.95.  Offering them for $150.  I have personally inspected them and it looks as if they had never been out of the box.  All wheels are shiny new and nothing is broken or missing.  The scale wheels and other parts are all there. Pictures are on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html Bob Graves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52050	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2009
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO

So then we get back to pay pal. lol There is always a way to do something dishonest in this world. So, make sure the mo clears the makers bank? defeats sending a mo then, as now it would be treated as a regular check. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO As long as it doesn't get stolen in the mail in some of the countries listed! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: INTERNATIONAL MO's FROM USPO Sending money to other countries is easy and convenient using a direct international money order. For only $3.85, you can purchase international money orders valued at up to $700 to 30 countries, with additional countries being added in the near future (some exceptions apply - see below). You can then send your money order using Priority Mail InternationalR or Express Mail InternationalR. The money orders can be cashed at the post office locations of the destination country. List of countries accepting direct International Money Orders: Albania Anguilla Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Barbados Belize Bolivia British Virgin Islands Canada Cape Verde Dominica Dominican Republic Ecuador El Salvador ($500 limit) Grenada Guinea Guyana ($500 limit) Honduras Jamaica Japan Mali Mexico Montserrat Peru St. Christopher (St. Kitts) and Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent and the Grenadines Sierra Leone Trinidad and Tobago **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026> com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52051	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Model railroad hobbyist

Hi all: Has anyone gotten an invitation to download the Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine? I've gotten one, but don't like to download unasked for files. Any comments? I assume this is a sample, and then they will ask me to take out a subscription (who is a pessimist?). thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52052	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: soldering wire to tender rivet

Hi All I repaired trains for 6 hobby shops in the Chicagolad area, never used more than patience and a 25 watt iron. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 9:21 am Subject: RE: [S-Trains] soldering wire to tender rivet Soldering can be an art. There are several things to consider. Use a large enough wattage iron to heat the joint QUICKLY so there is not damage to surrounding materials. Too low a wattage and you will do damage because of the length of time the heat is applied. A 100 watt iron is not an unreasonable wattage to do a rivet as long as you apply the heat for only a few seconds. Use additional flux that is non corrosive such as Kesters Electrical Flux on the rivet before you heat the joint. Do not rely just on the flux in the solder when doing a stubborn joint. Tin the wire first before soldering to the Rivet. Clean the Rivet with a Dremel wire brush before heating. Clean the solder joint when done with alcohol to remove the flux. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jananderson99 Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] soldering wire to tender rivet I am having a problem soldering the wire back on my 287 tender unit. How big of a soldering gun-iron do I need? I am afraid I'll damage the insulator between frame and rivet. Thanks Chuck ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52053	From: mlprell	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: The Hudson

I've asked this question to the TCA group. Who was responsible for the destruction of all of the NYC Hudsons? As a proud guardian of three Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the history of this beautiful machine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52054	From: william cole	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

one of the NYC yahoo groups just went through this ......one of the ex-NYC presidents was on a campaign to dieselize the system and he did a good job, not keaving any steam existing..... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 1/12/09, mlprell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: mlprell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] The Hudson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:22 AM I've asked this question to the TCA group. Who was responsible for the destruction of all of the NYC Hudsons? As a proud guardian of three Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the history of this beautiful machine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52055	From: John	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist

Rance I hope you have a very fast internet connection as the file to download is 77 megabytes in size I have a 8 MB connection speed and it is taking over 10 minutes to download. You need Adobe reader 9.0 and an upgrade to Quicktime 7 to view the PDF file and the multimedia included in the file. VERY Nice layout!! For thos interested here is the link to the download http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/ Well worth the wait John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Scale Group ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Model railroad hobbyist Hi all: Has anyone gotten an invitation to download the Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine? I've gotten one, but don't like to download unasked for files. Any comments? I assume this is a sample, and then they will ask me to take out a subscription (who is a pessimist?). thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52056	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

In a message dated 1/12/2009 10:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlprell@... writes: As a proud guardian of three Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the history of this beautiful machine. The 314AW is in fact a PRR engine (note the FAMOUS Belpaire boiler) , modelling one of two K-5 locomotives PRR built to test a larger boiler, engine bed, etc. Interesting to note that the PRR had TWO K-5's, and 425 K-4's. No one ever came up with a plausible reason for modelling the K-5, my guess, ACG needed the space in the boiler shell. One of the K-5's had Capriotti valves, called the "Mussolini" by shop forces because thay had to climb into the engine to service the valve gear. Valve gear eventually replaced, by the "Standard Railroad of the WORLD". Both K-5's are reported to have spent their waning days on the Northern Central, between Baltimore, MD and Harrisburg, PA, a line the PRR did NOT electify. Jim "living on the PENNSY Main" Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52057	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Jim, I remember reading that ACG designers wanted to market something different from Lionel, so they picked the K5. Maybe because it was a larger locomotive. Other than that it doesn't make much sense to make an engine that only a few folks ever got to see. By the way when Caproti himself visited the US and saw the K5, he was amazed at how big American locomotives were. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52058	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Lehigh valley Train meet this weekend

Hello to everyone. I just want to let everyone know there is a train meet this weekend . The Great Lehigh valley Train Meet at Merchants Sqaure Mall. Here is a link for more info www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com. Hope to see you there. Kevin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52059	From: race944t	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

As a long time commercial banker (not investment or mortgage banker, but don't get me started here), let me take the opportunity to weigh in on the whole Cashier's check, bank check, money order, personal check thing. I won't bore all of you with the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) and the banking regulation CC and other pertinent regs, but the matter of check clearing has more to do with when your bank gives you credit for the funds deposited rather than the validity of the check. Just because your bank gives you credit for the funds DOES NOT mean the funds have cleared the paying bank or that those funds are good. This applies to ANY check (see list above) All forms of checks can be certified lost, stolen, forged, etc. Just check the FDIC webite for the almost daily list of forged cashier's checks from banks. It is way to easy to dummy up a bank's cashier's check and present it for payment. But, that's another story in and of itself. Your best protection against checks being returned is to go to the paying bank (or post office as was wisely suggested). Once you cash the check, then the burdon of proof is upon the maker of the check not you. Keep in mind that some rather unscrupulous banks are charging a fee to non-customers to cash checks drawn on them if you don't have an account with them. By regulation, the bank is required to know if a check drawn on them is good. They have every right to obtain the ID of the person cashing the check and you should NOT endorse the check before personally appearing at the bank. Don't endorse it and give it to you wife to take to cash. (See wife stories in a different thread) This makes the check a third party check which the bank may not cash. A check is a legal document drawn by the maker and if you read the check it says to "Pay to the order of..." In banking jargon this is a DDA "Demand Deposit Account" because the maker "Demands" payment of the item. This demand is subject to revocation, though. As holder in due course, you have the right to bring suit against the maker of the check should the check be withdrawn and the maker received value, but that's a case for the lawyers and not the subject of this writing. The bottom line is he who has the cash wins unless it is subject to offset with an account you may have at the bank. OK, so what to do when you get a check drawn on a bank that is not located within driving distance of you? Write down the R/T (routing & transit) number of the bank. This is the 8 digit number within the symbols |:xxxxxxxx|: (where "xxxxxxxx" is the actual number) also write down the account number on the check, the check number and the amount. Then go to www.routingnumbers.org/ plug in the routing number and verify the bank listed is the bank the check is drawn on. If this is true, then call the number provided in the listing and verify if the funds are good "AT THIS TIME". Note I said "at this time". They may not be when the check is presented to the bank. Some banks have started to limit the ability to check on available funds because of privacy issues and once again that's another whole story. If the funds are good at this time deposit them with your bank and keep your fingers crossed. In a few days, check back with the paying bank and see if they will tell you if the item has cleared them. If so, you are good to go. There are many reasons that a check can be returned after payment but your banker should be able to refuse the return for an equal number of reasons if they are willing to help you. All of this is of course covered by banaking regulation. I hope this epistle has helped and if anyone wishes to contact me offline, I'll be glad to help. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > I'm going to look in to this. I just deposited a USPS check in my checking, but was going to clear in at the post office when shipping a item off. Now I read this.... > > Clayton > > MILwaukie OR > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:08 PM > > Interesting!  I consulted with the manager of my bank when > > I started selling a lot of stuff on ebay and he told me a > > money order was no better than a personal check.  He > > advised accepting only USPS money orders and cashing them at > > the post office rather than depositing them in the bank.  > > What he told me is that the buyer can't stop payment > > after you get the cash, but he CAN up until then.  Is that > > not true? > >   > > He told me that the post office computer will know whether > > he has stopped payment, but there's no way to know > > that if you deposit it in the bank.  The banks clear money > > orders the same way they clear checks and it can take months > > before the transaction is truly, absolutely final.  The > > fact that it hasn't bounced in two weeks is no guarantee > > that it won't; people simply use ten days or two weeks > > as a rule of thumb to reduce the probability that > > they'll get stuck with a bounced check or money order. > >   > > My bank manager says he accepts nothing but PayPal because > > its protection for the seller is better than any other > > payment method out there. > >   > > Another guy I know just told me about Green Dot cards.  He > > claims they're just as safe as PayPal, but the buyer > > pays all the fees and it's cheaper than PayPal for large > > transactions.  Has anybody used Green Dot and what's > > your experience with it? > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> > > wrote: > > > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > >   > > >>How did you get burned by a money order?  I am > > selling a boat for 7000  and > > he wants to use a money order to pay.  > > > >   > > As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one > > taking the risk is the buyer. > >   > > The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift > > card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be > > stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then > > you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to > > mail the MO to the seller. > >   > > If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", > > unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their > > mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's > > funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal. > >   > > It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are > > honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a > > thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint > > with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is > > the government, you will probably die before any resolution > > is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back > > in the market for another sucker. > >   > > One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO > > with a credit card. The only other protection you could have > > had to dispute the payment. > >   > > Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find > > a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not > > release the money until the item is recieved and meets the > > seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk. > >   > > Regards, > > Nick Kulp > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52060	From: D. Winslow	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Lehigh valley Train meet this weekend

There is also a Train show in Manchester NH, Sat. and Sun. lvtrainmeet wrote: > > > Hello to everyone. I just want to let everyone know there is a train > meet this weekend . The Great Lehigh valley Train Meet at Merchants > Sqaure Mall. Here is a link for more info > www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com. Hope to see you there. > > Kevin > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52061	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Green Dot instead of PayPal?

Has anybody out there ever used Green Dot to pay for things?  How does it compare with PayPal?  Has anybody had trouble with it?  Is that maybe a good alternative to PayPal? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52062	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

I'm confused.  Gilbert called the K-5 a Pacific, not a Hudson.  Is that a misnomer like the Northern/Challenger?   --- On Mon, 1/12/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Hudson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:23 AM In a message dated 1/12/2009 10:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlprell@yahoo. com writes: As a proud guardian of three Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the history of this beautiful machine. The 314AW is in fact a PRR engine (note the FAMOUS Belpaire boiler) , modelling one of two K-5 locomotives PRR built to test a larger boiler, engine bed, etc. Interesting to note that the PRR had TWO K-5's, and 425 K-4's. No one ever came up with a plausible reason for modelling the K-5, my guess, ACG needed the space in the boiler shell. One of the K-5's had Capriotti valves, called the "Mussolini" by shop forces because thay had to climb into the engine to service the valve gear. Valve gear eventually replaced, by the "Standard Railroad of the WORLD". Both K-5's are reported to have spent their waning days on the Northern Central, between Baltimore, MD and Harrisburg, PA, a line the PRR did NOT electify. Jim "living on the PENNSY Main" Lyle ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52063	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

No, it's not a misnomer. The K-5 is a Pacific 4-6-2 wheel arrangement. The Hudson is a 4-6-4. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I'm confused.  Gilbert called the K-5 a Pacific, not a Hudson.  Is that a misnomer like the Northern/Challenger? >   > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52064	From: william cole	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

The K-5 was so heavy that when in service on the Pennsy's Red Arrow, the fastest regularly scheduled passenger train in the US, it could not use the bridgework, due to it's weight,�to get to Detroit's Fort Street Station.....a switcher would have to pull the train out of the station and off the bridge structure, then a K-5 would couple to it and haul-you-know what! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 1/12/09, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Hudson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:31 PM Jim, I remember reading that ACG designers wanted to market something different from Lionel, so they picked the K5. Maybe because it was a larger locomotive. Other than that it doesn't make much sense to make an engine that only a few folks ever got to see. By the way when Caproti himself visited the US and saw the K5, he was amazed at how big American locomotives were. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52065	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: 752 coal loader ; re-stringing

To the group: I am restoring a 752, I picked up off Ebay. Does anyone have a stringing diagram that I might get a copy? The clam-shell was loose on this one, when I got it. Please email to mo2337@... off-line. As always, thanks in advance for the help. Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Hotmail�: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52066	From: rpuls3	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: rewire Am Flyer transformers

I want to rewire my American Flyer transformers with a grounded or polarized plug. Am I thinking correctly that doing this would also facilitate the phasing of these transformers as well as properly grounding them? If so how do I attach the wires to the transformers?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52067	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Was the extra wheel on a Hudson type locomotive trailing truck required for the extra weight of the engine? The original Reading Atlantic had two sets of wheels on the trailing truck as well, but that contributed to the locomotive being unstable. Reading had to redesign them. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52068	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist

I have not seen it. ________________________________ From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> To: S-Scale Group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:26:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Model railroad hobbyist Hi all: Has anyone gotten an invitation to download the Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine? I've gotten one, but don't like to download unasked for files. Any comments? I assume this is a sample, and then they will ask me to take out a subscription (who is a pessimist?). thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52069	From: Firewood	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Was the extra wheel on a Hudson type locomotive trailing truck required for the extra weight of the engine? The original Reading Atlantic had two sets of wheels on the trailing truck as well, but that contributed to the locomotive being unstable. Reading had to redesign them. > > Gene Cimino Trailing trucks were to stabilize the rear of the locomotive and to support the weight of the firebox which usually overhung the rear drivers. Larger locos usually led to 4 wheel trailing trucks. I'm not sure of the reason for the Reading truck. Maybe it was originally to support the wide Wootten firebox? I read that the bigger locomotives had quite the side-to-side kick when those pistons started pushing. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52070	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist

Rance, Now you know they wont have anything in S. LOL I did a google search and found their website. Seems legit, but here is their address and a tollfree number just to check it out. ************************************************* If you need to mail material to us, please use this address: Model Railroad Hobbyist 515 Willow Ave. Woodburn, OR 97071 Phone: 1-800-920-6020 (toll-free US) or 1-503-981-3054 (outside the US) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Nalbone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Model railroad hobbyist I have not seen it. ________________________________ From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> To: S-Scale Group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:26:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Model railroad hobbyist Hi all: Has anyone gotten an invitation to download the Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine? I've gotten one, but don't like to download unasked for files. Any comments? I assume this is a sample, and then they will ask me to take out a subscription (who is a pessimist?). thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52071	From: John	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Model railroad hobbyist

To All I did download the pdf file for the magazine and yes it is for HO BUT it does have some good ideas in it. There is a section on how to use 3D PlanIt software and they discuss problems of making curves too sharp. It would be similar to The Model Railroader magazine AND No there is no S gauge information in there but I'm sure it could be added if the right people sent in information. Just a thought John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Model railroad hobbyist Rance, Now you know they wont have anything in S. LOL I did a google search and found their website. Seems legit, but here is their address and a tollfree number just to check it out. ************************************************* If you need to mail material to us, please use this address: Model Railroad Hobbyist 515 Willow Ave. Woodburn, OR 97071

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52072	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist

sorry mike, they have an "S" section every edition. I did not see them at the Medford show this year. Mike In a message dated 1/12/2009 6:05:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Rance, Now you know they wont have anything in S. LOL I did a google search and found their website. Seems legit, but here is their address and a tollfree number just to check it out. ************************************************* If you need to mail material to us, please use this address: Model Railroad Hobbyist 515 Willow Ave. Woodburn, OR 97071 Phone: 1-800-920-6020 (toll-free US) or 1-503-981-3054 (outside the US) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Nalbone To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Model railroad hobbyist I have not seen it. ________________________________ From: Rance and Bente <_velapoldi@..._ (mailto:velapoldi@...) > To: S-Scale Group <_S-Scale@yahoogroupsS-Sc_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) >; _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:26:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Model railroad hobbyist Hi all: Has anyone gotten an invitation to download the Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine? I've gotten one, but don't like to download unasked for files. Any comments? I assume this is a sample, and then they will ask me to take out a subscription (who is a pessimist?). thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52073	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Model railroad hobbyist

I thought the ezine was visually great to look at. Can't imagine the amount of work that went into it. I agree, there is a lot of neat stuff there. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52074	From: G C	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Thanks Dave, That is exactly what happened with the early Reading "Atlantics". I'm not sure what you call a 4 2 4, as a true Atlantic type is a 4 2 2. The 4 2 4s were kind of neat looking. I've been thinking of taking a cheap plastic Flyer Atlantic and adding the extra wheel on the trailing truck. It would be something different. Also, while we are on the topic of different. During the war when steel was hard to come by,I'm told that Reading made some NE style cabooses out of wood. Always thought it would be cool to glue some scribed siding on a Flyer caboose just for the fun of it. Bet nobody has that on their tracks. Gene Member in good standing of the Brotherhood of Bashers P.S. are you reading this Stumpy? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52075	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

You mean 4-4-2 for Atlantic. The 4-4-4 is a Reading under Whyte's wheel classification system. 4-6-2 Pacific, 4-6-4 Hudson (or Baltic) and so on. Under European classifications they would be 2-2-1, 2-2-2, 2-3-1 and 2-3-2 respectively. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of G C Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The Hudson Thanks Dave, That is exactly what happened with the early Reading "Atlantics". I'm not sure what you call a 4 2 4, as a true Atlantic type is a 4 2 2. The 4 2 4s were kind of neat looking. I've been thinking of taking a cheap plastic Flyer Atlantic and adding the extra wheel on the trailing truck. It would be something different. Also, while we are on the topic of different. During the war when steel was hard to come by,I'm told that Reading made some NE style cabooses out of wood. Always thought it would be cool to glue some scribed siding on a Flyer caboose just for the fun of it. Bet nobody has that on their tracks. Gene Member in good standing of the Brotherhood of Bashers P.S. are you reading this Stumpy? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52076	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

As usual, Wikipedia has the answer and even a photo of a "Reading" type 4-4-4 (I am sure that is what you meant below instead of 424). In Canada, locomotives with this wheel arrangement were called "Jubilee's". You can get more details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-4-4 A modification of a cheap Flyer Atlantic would be interesting. It looks from the photo as if it had an inside frame truck with exposed wheels, so a Hudson truck wouldn't do. Maybe a little work on a leading truck would do the job with some white walls added. Looking at this photo makes it clear that the 4 piece metal Atlantics were pretty accurate, right down to the front step details. Dale Smith G C wrote: > > Thanks Dave, > > That is exactly what happened with the early Reading "Atlantics". I'm > not sure what you call a 4 2 4, as a true Atlantic type is a 4 2 2. > The 4 2 4s were kind of neat looking. I've been thinking of taking a > cheap plastic Flyer Atlantic and adding the extra wheel on the > trailing truck. It would be something different. Also, while we are on > the topic of different. During the war when steel was hard to come > by,I'm told that Reading made some NE style cabooses out of wood. > Always thought it would be cool to glue some scribed siding on a Flyer > caboose just for the fun of it. Bet nobody has that on their tracks. > > Gene > > Member in good standing of the Brotherhood of Bashers > > P.S. are you reading this Stumpy? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52077	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Gene, You lost me... an Atlantic is 4-4-2... Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Thanks Dave, > > That is exactly what happened with the early Reading "Atlantics". I'm not sure what you call a 4 2 4, as a true Atlantic type is a 4 2 2. The 4 2 4s were kind of neat looking. I've been thinking of taking a cheap plastic Flyer Atlantic and adding the extra wheel on the trailing truck. It would be something different. Also, while we are on the topic of different. During the war when steel was hard to come by,I'm told that Reading made some NE style cabooses out of wood. Always thought it would be cool to glue some scribed siding on a Flyer caboose just for the fun of it. Bet nobody has that on their tracks. > > Gene > > Member in good standing of the Brotherhood of Bashers > > P.S. are you reading this Stumpy? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52078	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

I took some old beat up cabooses' & cut the tops off & glued stips of wood on them to make mine size or short old time gons. Mike PS: Don't forget the insides In a message dated 1/12/2009 6:47:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ecphora123@... writes: Thanks Dave, That is exactly what happened with the early Reading "Atlantics". I'm not sure what you call a 4 2 4, as a true Atlantic type is a 4 2 2. The 4 2 4s were kind of neat looking. I've been thinking of taking a cheap plastic Flyer Atlantic and adding the extra wheel on the trailing truck. It would be something different. Also, while we are on the topic of different. During the war when steel was hard to come by,I'm told that Reading made some NE style cabooses out of wood. Always thought it would be cool to glue some scribed siding on a Flyer caboose just for the fun of it. Bet nobody has that on their tracks. Gene Member in good standing of the Brotherhood of Bashers P.S. are you reading this Stumpy? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52079	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/12/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year

Hi Barb-   Thanks for the Happy New Year - mine wishes are extended to you as well. How is the project coming? I missed two Sundays due to holiday travel and arrived late on the chat last night.   I have heat and had hot and cold water until today - they are repairing another water line leak and have the water off tonight. I'd rather have the heat since the temp is going down into the teens tonight.   I assume some major progress has occurred on your train building if the weather has been holding.   If you have a chance drop me a line or a link to some photo updates.   I spent the weekend removing lathe and plaster from the basement stairway and adding steel support posts in that area. I have to put in a chase from the basement to the attic for the air conditioning, power, telephone and cable lines. Then I have to upgrade the power panel from 100 Amp to 250 Amp. Replacing knob and tube wiring with modern stuff after that. No free time for the wicked.   Bill Drake camping out in the house for now in St. Louis. --- On Fri, 1/2/09, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: From: barb <rcespeak@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Happy New Year To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 11:03 AM Hi to all, Happy New Year to y'all. I hope the year is filled with trains and more trains. I know it will be for me. The new train house is nearing completion. I expect to start reassembling the layout later this month. I wish you all health, happiness and dreams that come true. Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52080	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Bob,   The name Pacific is correct for a locomotive with a 4-6-2 wheel arrangement like the PRR K-series, K2, K3, K4, and K5. Normally, the railroad with the "first" locomotive of that particular wheel arrangement would "name" that classification.   The NYC had the "first" 4-6-4 and called it a Hudson after their famous river that the NYC paralleled as the River Level Route. The American Flyer 4-6-4 is a Hudson, not the 4-6-2.   The 4-8-4 Locomotive was actually a Northern Class, not a Challenger. The actual Challenger is a 4-6-6-4 wheel arrangement. American Flyer's name came from the UP logo, Route of the Challengers and the name stuck.   There were railroads that took exception to the name of Northern (mostly railroads South of the Mason-Dixon line). They called their "Northern" wheel arrangement locos names like Greenbriar. Although it was their way of "defiance" any real railroad knew it was really a Northern....Nick now running and ducking....   I hope this helps. All comments in the above document are intended as FUN, not to insult anyone at any time.   Respectfully, Nick   I'm confused.  Gilbert called the K-5 a Pacific, not a Hudson.  Is that a misnomer like the Northern/Challenger?   --- On Mon, 1/12/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Hudson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:23 AM In a message dated 1/12/2009 10:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlprell@yahoo. com writes: As a proud guardian of three Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the history of this beautiful machine. The 314AW is in fact a PRR engine (note the FAMOUS Belpaire boiler) , modelling one of two K-5 locomotives PRR built to test a larger boiler, engine bed, etc. Interesting to note that the PRR had TWO K-5's, and 425 K-4's. No one ever came up with a plausible reason for modelling the K-5, my guess, ACG needed the space in the boiler shell. One of the K-5's had Capriotti valves, called the "Mussolini" by shop forces because thay had to climb into the engine to service the valve gear. Valve gear eventually replaced, by the "Standard Railroad of the WORLD". Both K-5's are reported to have spent their waning days on the Northern Central, between Baltimore, MD and Harrisburg, PA, a line the PRR did NOT electify. Jim "living on the PENNSY Main" Lyle ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]       [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52081	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Gene,   The trailing trucks on a Steam Loco are used to carry the extra size of the larger firebox. If the Reading had a loco with a 4-wheel trailing truck, it would not have been called an Atlantic. The Atlantic Class is a 4-4-2 wheel arrangement. 4-4-0 is an American, 2-6-0 is a mogul, a 4-8-2 is a Mountain. For further explanation go to http://www.trainweb.org/jiquay/Whyte.htm The site explains the Whyte Steam Loco Classification system.   One glaring error is the 4-8-4 notation. It identifies the name Mohawk. That is incorrect. The Mohawk of the NYC was a 4-8-2 wheel arrangement. The Niagra is correct as a 4-8-4.   Regards, Nick Kulp Is the extra wheel on a  Hudson type locomotive  trailing truck required for the extra weight of the engine? The original Reading Atlantic had two sets of wheels on the trailing truck as well, but that contributed to the locomotive being unstable. Reading had to redesign them. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52082	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

The idiot to which you refer was Alfred E. Perlman, president of NYC 1958-1968. He scrapped all of the heavy steam power to dieselize the road. Only two heavies remain; one, a Mohawk (4-8-2) L-2c or d in Texas and the other, a L-3A in the NYC Museum, Elkhart, IN. I don't recall which of the two, but one was hidden for years in some NYC facility and the other sold off to Mexico (I think). It's been a while since I read the history. There may be some light steam still around rusting, but Perlman had all the Hudsons(4-6-4), Mohawks(4-8-2), and Niagaras(4-8-4) melted down for scrap. I believe I read somewhere that the government gave railroads a lucrative tax credit to scrap steam and convert to diesel. Probably an early bureaucratic version of the EPA! The Hudson was the power for the famous Twentieth Century Limited for many years. For a period in the late 1930's, Hudsons of the Limited were clad in a streamlined shell. One beautiful locomotive! MTH has produced this model in O scale......not sure if it was ever an AF issue. American models has a similar streamlined version referred to as Empire State but not exactly like the Century model. Gary Chudzinski >The Hudson Posted by: "mlprell" mlprell@... >Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:24 am (PST) >I've asked this question to the TCA group. Who was responsible for the >destruction of all of the NYC Hudsons? As a proud guardian of three >Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the >history of this beautiful machine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52083	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Atlantic wish

Has any one found bigger spoke scale driver wheels? The tires would touch with larger HI flanges, put large spoked wheels and spoked pilot and training truck wheels would make for a great looking Atlantic.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52084	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

Banker Bill ...Thanx its so nice to see someone Who actually knows what hes talking about clear the air...instead of watching others spouting off and mudding the waters....I am curious of coarse on the payment method that I have used. since it has not been mentioned....due to problems others have had...I personally being in Canada ..have for the past 5 yrs only used Bank Drafts which are drawn on Chase Manhatten NYC..and since i was told they are like Travlers cheques are instant cash ....I have never had a prob or have never had a recipient who has ever had a prob due to the fact they are instant cash for the reciever.... I await your Professional comments..... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > As a long time commercial banker (not investment or mortgage banker, > but don't get me started here), let me take the opportunity to weigh > in on the whole Cashier's check, bank check, money order, personal > check thing. > > I won't bore all of you with the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) and > the banking regulation CC and other pertinent regs, but the matter of > check clearing has more to do with when your bank gives you credit > for the funds deposited rather than the validity of the check. Just > because your bank gives you credit for the funds DOES NOT mean the > funds have cleared the paying bank or that those funds are good. > This applies to ANY check (see list above) All forms of checks can > be certified lost, stolen, forged, etc. Just check the FDIC webite > for the almost daily list of forged cashier's checks from banks. It > is way to easy to dummy up a bank's cashier's check and present it > for payment. But, that's another story in and of itself. > > Your best protection against checks being returned is to go to the > paying bank (or post office as was wisely suggested). Once you cash > the check, then the burdon of proof is upon the maker of the check > not you. Keep in mind that some rather unscrupulous banks are > charging a fee to non-customers to cash checks drawn on them if you > don't have an account with them. By regulation, the bank is required > to know if a check drawn on them is good. They have every right to > obtain the ID of the person cashing the check and you should NOT > endorse the check before personally appearing at the bank. Don't > endorse it and give it to you wife to take to cash. (See wife stories > in a different thread) This makes the check a third party check > which the bank may not cash. > > A check is a legal document drawn by the maker and if you read the > check it says to "Pay to the order of..." In banking jargon this is > a DDA "Demand Deposit Account" because the maker "Demands" payment of > the item. This demand is subject to revocation, though. > > As holder in due course, you have the right to bring suit against the > maker of the check should the check be withdrawn and the maker > received value, but that's a case for the lawyers and not the subject > of this writing. The bottom line is he who has the cash wins unless > it is subject to offset with an account you may have at the bank. > > OK, so what to do when you get a check drawn on a bank that is not > located within driving distance of you? Write down the R/T (routing > & transit) number of the bank. This is the 8 digit number within the > symbols |:xxxxxxxx|: (where "xxxxxxxx" is the actual number) also > write down the account number on the check, the check number and the > amount. Then go to www.routingnumbers.org/ plug in the routing > number and verify the bank listed is the bank the check is drawn on. > If this is true, then call the number provided in the listing and > verify if the funds are good "AT THIS TIME". Note I said "at this > time". They may not be when the check is presented to the bank. > Some banks have started to limit the ability to check on available > funds because of privacy issues and once again that's another whole > story. > > If the funds are good at this time deposit them with your bank and > keep your fingers crossed. In a few days, check back with the paying > bank and see if they will tell you if the item has cleared them. If > so, you are good to go. There are many reasons that a check can be > returned after payment but your banker should be able to refuse the > return for an equal number of reasons if they are willing to help > you. All of this is of course covered by banaking regulation. > > I hope this epistle has helped and if anyone wishes to contact me > offline, I'll be glad to help. > > "Banker" Bill > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@> wrote: > > > > I'm going to look in to this. I just deposited a USPS check in my > checking, but was going to clear in at the post office when shipping > a item off. Now I read this.... > > > > Clayton > > > > MILwaukie OR > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> wrote: > > > > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:08 PM > > > Interesting!  I consulted with the manager of my bank when > > > I started selling a lot of stuff on ebay and he told me a > > > money order was no better than a personal check.  He > > > advised accepting only USPS money orders and cashing them at > > > the post office rather than depositing them in the bank.  > > > What he told me is that the buyer can't stop payment > > > after you get the cash, but he CAN up until then.  Is that > > > not true? > > >   > > > He told me that the post office computer will know whether > > > he has stopped payment, but there's no way to know > > > that if you deposit it in the bank.  The banks clear money > > > orders the same way they clear checks and it can take months > > > before the transaction is truly, absolutely final.  The > > > fact that it hasn't bounced in two weeks is no guarantee > > > that it won't; people simply use ten days or two weeks > > > as a rule of thumb to reduce the probability that > > > they'll get stuck with a bounced check or money order. > > >   > > > My bank manager says he accepts nothing but PayPal because > > > its protection for the seller is better than any other > > > payment method out there. > > >   > > > Another guy I know just told me about Green Dot cards.  He > > > claims they're just as safe as PayPal, but the buyer > > > pays all the fees and it's cheaper than PayPal for large > > > transactions.  Has anybody used Green Dot and what's > > > your experience with it? > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@> > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > >   > > > >>How did you get burned by a money order?  I am > > > selling a boat for 7000  and > > > he wants to use a money order to pay.  > > > > > >   > > > As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one > > > taking the risk is the buyer. > > >   > > > The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift > > > card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be > > > stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then > > > you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to > > > mail the MO to the seller. > > >   > > > If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", > > > unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their > > > mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's > > > funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal. > > >   > > > It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are > > > honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a > > > thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint > > > with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is > > > the government, you will probably die before any resolution > > > is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back > > > in the market for another sucker. > > >   > > > One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO > > > with a credit card. The only other protection you could have > > > had to dispute the payment. > > >   > > > Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find > > > a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not > > > release the money until the item is recieved and meets the > > > seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk. > > >   > > > Regards, > > > Nick Kulp > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52085	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Hi: I thought the Atlantics were 4-4-2's, which means they were 4-4-4's before the trailing truck was changed to 2 wheels. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) G C wrote: > > Thanks Dave, > > That is exactly what happened with the early Reading "Atlantics". I'm > not sure what you call a 4 2 4, as a true Atlantic type is a 4 2 2. > The 4 2 4s were kind of neat looking. I've been thinking of taking a > cheap plastic Flyer Atlantic and adding the extra wheel on the > trailing truck. It would be something different. Also, while we are on > the topic of different. During the war when steel was hard to come > by,I'm told that Reading made some NE style cabooses out of wood. > Always thought it would be cool to glue some scribed siding on a Flyer > caboose just for the fun of it. Bet nobody has that on their tracks. > > Gene > > Member in good standing of the Brotherhood of Bashers > > P.S. are you reading this Stumpy? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52086	From: jananderson99	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: 287 field Assembly

The inside wire is broken on the field assembly of my 287. Where's the best place to purchase a winding or even a whole motor? I would really like to save this thing if I can. Thanks in advance Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52087	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly

If you can see the break. maybe right at the ear, try to solder a new wire to it. Tom **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52088	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

Dear Gary (and Ed L.), I am sure in this aspect, Bill Lane is Correct. Pennsy rules... Let the words fly, Don On Jan 12, 2009, at 11:36 PM, Gary Chudzinski wrote: > > The idiot to which you refer was Alfred E. Perlman, president of NYC > 1958-1968. He scrapped all of the heavy steam power to dieselize the > road. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52089	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Why more wheels?

You can date steam locomotive technology by the number of wheels under them. As the weight of trains grew, so did the locomotives. Small locos operating at slow speeds put all their weight on the drivers like the very early engines. Switch engines such as the 0-4-0 and 0-6-0, etc. As size and speeds grew, locos gained a two wheel lead truck or pilot truck to guide the loco into curves. The popular 4-4-0 was for years THE locomotive on American rails, and did both freight and passenger work. This lead to the 2-6-0 Mogul, then the 2-8-0 Consolidation (the moost produced wheel arrangement ever.) However, these locomotive had their firebox located between the rear drive wheels, making for a deep, narrow firebox. This limited the amount of steam which could be produced. Near the turn of the century, the first experiments with wide fireboxes supported by a two wheel trailing truck began, producing the 4-4-2 Atlantic, an outgrowth of the 4-4-0. Then the 2-8-0 became the 2-8-2 Mikado. The need for higher speeds forced the four wheel lead truck and more drivers under passenger engines, so the 4-6-2 Pacific came about. Early fast freight engines grew into 4-8-2 Mountain types. Then, the desire for even more power lead to larger fireboxes in the twenties and the four wheel trailing truck appeared. For passenger service came the 4-4-4 (used by few railroads,) and the popular 4-6-4 Hudson. Eventually, came the dual purpose, state of the art 4-8-4 Northern type. Along the way, all sorts of different wheel arrangements appeared, including the articulated locomotives with two or three sets of drivers under the boiler for more tractive effort. Six wheel lead and trailing trucks were tried as well due to weight restrictions. At the end of the steam era, not all railroads used the biggest, most modern engines. Baltimore & Ohio and the Southern used Pacifics for passenger service to the end. And the 2-8-2 Mikados were everywhere. And now you know why there are so many different wheel arrangements for steamers and why. Steam locomotives are a fascinating subject. Stumpy Stone...lover of steam locomotives in easters Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52090	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

No Rance, I didn't mean to confuse anyone with this. I don't know what the 4 4 4s were called, Atlantics were always 4 2 2s. They got their name from the Atlantic Coast Line RR, which I believe was the first to have them. Pacifics, unless someone knows better than I, were named from MOPAC. I guess we can assume the Hudsons were originally named by the N Y Central. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52091	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Thanks Dale, I saw where they called the 4 4 4 a Reading type engine. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52092	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Why more wheels?

Thanks Stumpy for taking the time to write that for us. It helps make sense of our toys. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52093	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: 287 field Assembly

Chuck: I can rewind that field for you to its original specs. I've done a lot of those (including the armatures) for many on this list. Contact me offline if you're interested, OK? Bob Hannon 11513 Crows Nest Rd. Clarksville, MD 21029 410-531-3244 E-Mail: hannon@... Website: http://www.trainrefs.com <http://www.trainrefs.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52094	From: The LANIERs	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly

If you can see the break on an outside portion of the windings, you can unwind a couple of turns and re-solder to the ear. If that was the only problem, you won't know the difference in the running of the motor. You cannot take off an infinite number of windings though. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: jananderson99 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 287 field Assembly The inside wire is broken on the field assembly of my 287. Where's the best place to purchase a winding or even a whole motor? I would really like to save this thing if I can. Thanks in advance Chuck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52095	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

Hey Gary (and possibly those other great NYC fans like E.L.) How come the NYC museum is in Elkhart, IN????? Undoubtedly the NYC had tracks in Indiana, but why not a NY museum? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Gary Chudzinski wrote: > > > The idiot to which you refer was Alfred E. Perlman, president of NYC > 1958-1968. He scrapped all of the heavy steam power to dieselize the > road. Only two heavies remain; one, a Mohawk (4-8-2) L-2c or d in > Texas and the other, a L-3A in the NYC Museum, Elkhart, IN. I don't > recall which of the two, but one was hidden for years in some NYC > facility and the other sold off to Mexico (I think). It's been a while > since I read the history. There may be some light steam still around > rusting, but Perlman had all the Hudsons(4-6-4), Mohawks(4-8-2), and > Niagaras(4-8-4) melted down for scrap. I believe I read somewhere that > the government gave railroads a lucrative tax credit to scrap steam > and convert to diesel. Probably an early bureaucratic version of the > EPA! The Hudson was the power for the famous Twentieth Century Limited > for many years. For a period in the late 1930's, Hudsons of the > Limited were clad in a streamlined shell. One beautiful locomotive! > MTH has produced this model in O scale......not sure if it was ever an > AF issue. American models has a similar streamlined version referred > to as Empire State but not exactly like the Century model. > Gary Chudzinski > > >The Hudson Posted by: "mlprell" mlprell@... > <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com> > >Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:24 am (PST) > > >I've asked this question to the TCA group. Who was responsible for the > >destruction of all of the NYC Hudsons? As a proud guardian of three > >Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the > >history of this beautiful machine. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52096	From: race944t	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

Dave: In order to answer your question accurately I would need to know a few details. First, in banking terminoloy, there is no such thing as "instant cash". I'm going to make some assumptions: 1: You are purchasing these "drafts" in Canada. 2: You are purchasing them in US Dollars so they are not drawn in CAN Dollars. 3: They have a routing & transit(R/T) number drawn on a US bank (Chase in the US not Canada) If so then they should clear just like any other check. I would be interested in knowing what the checks say on them, i.e. Cashier's Check, Bank Check, Money Order, etc. That will help me determine under US Banking Regulation CC when you customer will receive credit in their account (not when the check actually clears) What I can tell you is they are most probably NOT like traveler's checks. Travelers checks are countersigned by the purchaser, and the payee is unknown to the bank until the check clears. In your case, I assume you are purchasing the check and having it made payable to someone else so the bank has a record of who the check is payable to. If my assumptions are incorrect, and the check is drawn in CAN Dollars and/or the check has a CAN R/T number then it may have to be "sent off for collection" or actually sent in the mail to the paying bank. This is where it gets very complicated because some CAN banks use US R/T numbers, some don't. Then you get into exchange rates and the US banks have to deal with correspondent banks to work out the exchange rate, but that is not Banking 101 and probably not of interest to S-trains group members. (Although I really get into this stuff.) I hope this helps. Please feel free to contact me if you have additional questions. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Banker Bill ...Thanx its so nice to see someone Who actually knows > what hes talking about clear the air...instead of watching others > spouting off and mudding the waters....I am curious of coarse on the > payment method that I have used. since it has not been > mentioned....due to problems others have had...I personally being in > Canada ..have for the past 5 yrs only used Bank Drafts which are > drawn on Chase Manhatten NYC..and since i was told they are like > Travlers cheques are instant cash ....I have never had a prob or have > never had a recipient who has ever had a prob due to the fact they > are instant cash for the reciever.... > I await your Professional comments..... > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@> wrote: > > > > As a long time commercial banker (not investment or mortgage > banker, > > but don't get me started here), let me take the opportunity to > weigh > > in on the whole Cashier's check, bank check, money order, personal > > check thing. > > > > I won't bore all of you with the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) and > > the banking regulation CC and other pertinent regs, but the matter > of > > check clearing has more to do with when your bank gives you credit > > for the funds deposited rather than the validity of the check. > Just > > because your bank gives you credit for the funds DOES NOT mean the > > funds have cleared the paying bank or that those funds are good. > > This applies to ANY check (see list above) All forms of checks can > > be certified lost, stolen, forged, etc. Just check the FDIC webite > > for the almost daily list of forged cashier's checks from banks. > It > > is way to easy to dummy up a bank's cashier's check and present it > > for payment. But, that's another story in and of itself. > > > > Your best protection against checks being returned is to go to the > > paying bank (or post office as was wisely suggested). Once you > cash > > the check, then the burdon of proof is upon the maker of the check > > not you. Keep in mind that some rather unscrupulous banks are > > charging a fee to non-customers to cash checks drawn on them if you > > don't have an account with them. By regulation, the bank is > required > > to know if a check drawn on them is good. They have every right to > > obtain the ID of the person cashing the check and you should NOT > > endorse the check before personally appearing at the bank. Don't > > endorse it and give it to you wife to take to cash. (See wife > stories > > in a different thread) This makes the check a third party check > > which the bank may not cash. > > > > A check is a legal document drawn by the maker and if you read the > > check it says to "Pay to the order of..." In banking jargon this > is > > a DDA "Demand Deposit Account" because the maker "Demands" payment > of > > the item. This demand is subject to revocation, though. > > > > As holder in due course, you have the right to bring suit against > the > > maker of the check should the check be withdrawn and the maker > > received value, but that's a case for the lawyers and not the > subject > > of this writing. The bottom line is he who has the cash wins > unless > > it is subject to offset with an account you may have at the bank. > > > > OK, so what to do when you get a check drawn on a bank that is not > > located within driving distance of you? Write down the R/T > (routing > > & transit) number of the bank. This is the 8 digit number within > the > > symbols |:xxxxxxxx|: (where "xxxxxxxx" is the actual number) also > > write down the account number on the check, the check number and > the > > amount. Then go to www.routingnumbers.org/ plug in the routing > > number and verify the bank listed is the bank the check is drawn > on. > > If this is true, then call the number provided in the listing and > > verify if the funds are good "AT THIS TIME". Note I said "at this > > time". They may not be when the check is presented to the bank. > > Some banks have started to limit the ability to check on available > > funds because of privacy issues and once again that's another whole > > story. > > > > If the funds are good at this time deposit them with your bank and > > keep your fingers crossed. In a few days, check back with the > paying > > bank and see if they will tell you if the item has cleared them. > If > > so, you are good to go. There are many reasons that a check can be > > returned after payment but your banker should be able to refuse the > > return for an equal number of reasons if they are willing to help > > you. All of this is of course covered by banaking regulation. > > > > I hope this epistle has helped and if anyone wishes to contact me > > offline, I'll be glad to help. > > > > "Banker" Bill > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm going to look in to this. I just deposited a USPS check in my > > checking, but was going to clear in at the post office when > shipping > > a item off. Now I read this.... > > > > > > Clayton > > > > > > MILwaukie OR > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:08 PM > > > > Interesting!  I consulted with the manager of my bank when > > > > I started selling a lot of stuff on ebay and he told me a > > > > money order was no better than a personal check.  He > > > > advised accepting only USPS money orders and cashing them at > > > > the post office rather than depositing them in the bank.  > > > > What he told me is that the buyer can't stop payment > > > > after you get the cash, but he CAN up until then.  Is that > > > > not true? > > > >   > > > > He told me that the post office computer will know whether > > > > he has stopped payment, but there's no way to know > > > > that if you deposit it in the bank.  The banks clear money > > > > orders the same way they clear checks and it can take months > > > > before the transaction is truly, absolutely final.  The > > > > fact that it hasn't bounced in two weeks is no guarantee > > > > that it won't; people simply use ten days or two weeks > > > > as a rule of thumb to reduce the probability that > > > > they'll get stuck with a bounced check or money order. > > > >   > > > > My bank manager says he accepts nothing but PayPal because > > > > its protection for the seller is better than any other > > > > payment method out there. > > > >   > > > > Another guy I know just told me about Green Dot cards.  He > > > > claims they're just as safe as PayPal, but the buyer > > > > pays all the fees and it's cheaper than PayPal for large > > > > transactions.  Has anybody used Green Dot and what's > > > > your experience with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > >   > > > > >>How did you get burned by a money order?  I am > > > > selling a boat for 7000  and > > > > he wants to use a money order to pay.  > > > > > > > >   > > > > As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one > > > > taking the risk is the buyer. > > > >   > > > > The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift > > > > card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be > > > > stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then > > > > you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to > > > > mail the MO to the seller. > > > >   > > > > If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", > > > > unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their > > > > mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's > > > > funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal. > > > >   > > > > It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are > > > > honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a > > > > thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint > > > > with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is > > > > the government, you will probably die before any resolution > > > > is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back > > > > in the market for another sucker. > > > >   > > > > One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO > > > > with a credit card. The only other protection you could have > > > > had to dispute the payment. > > > >   > > > > Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find > > > > a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not > > > > release the money until the item is recieved and meets the > > > > seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk. > > > >   > > > > Regards, > > > > Nick Kulp > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52097	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Sorry, to all regarding the 4 2 2 thing, I was a bit tired last night when I typed it out. I know better and didn't mean to confuse people. A thousand pardons Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52098	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic wish

Jim, We are still in the swamps when it comes to replacement drivers for our locomotives. The earlier ACG Atlantic with the multi-piece die cast body is much more realistic than the later plastic shell. I have one that has scale drivers pressed on. I got it from Sam Powell a few years ago. He had put some Nixon drivers on it.That combined with the extended pilot and the real hand rails make it look really sharp. If you look at a drawing of the real deal, you will see how much closer they are. This may not matter to many here, but I prefer that sort of thing. Also, I picked up a Hodges trailing truck casting for it as the prototype had those. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52099	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Chicago AF contributed (and I suppose, still does if their '36 - '39 catalogs are consulted) to the befuddling by describing their 2-6-4 O gauge brute a "Hudson". Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52100	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: creating gondolas out of cabeese

Being an unrepentant basher, it was with delight that I read about the idea of converting 630s into gondolas. I offer these other four possibilities to you: a- obtain the commonly available 484 tinplate caboose. The cupola, roof (not necessary to separate the two for this purpose) and end railings are easily removed by merely straightening tabs. Swap the trucks for your preferred S ones: the coupler projection of the O gauge 4 wheel trucks is identical to that of their Gilbert S counterparts. Then dress the walls as you prefer. b-the superbly detailed AF diecast gondolas are beautiful cars. The problem is changing the trucks, which usually cannot be done non destructively (perhaps impossible) because the diecast bodies and diecast bases are peaned together. BUT if you find one with an intact body and defective chassis, then simply break off the chassis & replace it with one from 625 & 925 type tankers. c- obtain the lithographed / embossed Marx gondolas & simply swap the trucks: mounting holes do not need to be relocated. d- obtain distressed Lionel 652 or 2652 tinplate gondolas. These charming cars are 6.5" long x 2" wide (measured at the most protruding surfaces of the base) and were painted all yellow or all dark orange. The trucks are held in place with C clips & are easily removed. Earlier 652s have a slit at each end through which the gigantic latch couplers extend: you'll have to snip off the bottom strut that forms the slit. The later ones made with non-remote box couplers, and the 2652s (remote box couplers) already have that horizontal strut removed. Early 652s have 4 applied metal name plates & are otherwise not lettered. The later ones are rubber stamped, with of course, "LIONEL" being the largest letters. Note that I'm always interested in obtaining unwanted AF O 3/16s trucks: even rusty ones IF the sintered links are intact. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52101	From: G C	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Sorry I should have typed 4 4 2s for the Atlantics ________________________________ From: G C <ecphora123@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:51:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The Hudson No Rance, I didn't mean to confuse anyone with this. I don't know what the 4 4 4s were called, Atlantics were always 4 2 2s. They got their name from the Atlantic Coast Line RR, which I believe was the first to have them. Pacifics, unless someone knows better than I, were named from MOPAC. I guess we can assume the Hudsons were originally named by the N Y Central. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52102	From: jananderson99	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tomminil@... wrote: >No chance of trying to solder on to the broken end. My dad had done that years ago, this time not possible. Thanks > If you can see the break. maybe right at the ear, try to solder a new wire > to it. > > Tom > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol? redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52103	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: The Love of Steam

It began in the fifties in Zanesville, Ohio for me. As child, I was exposed to the end of mainline steam on the B&O, PRR, and the Nickel Plate. Dad and I watched a lot of steam and a few times rode the B&O swith engine in the yard there. We would go to Columbus many times, and I saw lines of what seemed like hundreds of rusting PRR steam engines being scrapped there. After mainline steam was gone, my father and I traveled a bit to find more steam and eventually got to the East Broad Top when it reopened, starting my interest in narrow gauge. I remember vividly standing beside a B&O Pacific at the Zanesville station and marveling that the drive wheels were as tall as my Dad! Steam locomotives were living machines! At rest, the monster's air brake pumps panted and steam and water leaked from any joint they could escape from. The whistle was deafening when it blew and the bell rang in warning that the creature was on the move! And when the engine moved, the ground shook and cinders blasted into the air like a moving volcano! You could watch the weight of it push the rails and ties into the ground, and then they rose again as the weight rolled ahead. I feel extremely fortunate to have been around to see this and even today I prefer watching old footage of steam at work rather than modern fan trips. These experiances have set off a life long study of steam, and I even had small scale live steam locos for a while. Even though I've been at it for years, I still don't feel that I'm an expert because there were so many variations of steam engines, every builder and every railroad had their own designs at work over the years. I've been at this over fifty years and haven't run out of new information on steam yet! Stumpy Stone...steamed up in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52104	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

In a message dated 1/13/2009 7:18:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, velapoldi@... writes: Hi: I thought the Atlantics were 4-4-2's, which means they were 4-4-4's before the trailing truck was changed to 2 wheels. Rance Velapoldi The READING built 4 locomotives with the 4-4-4 wheel arrangement. The trailing wheels caused problems from the start, the READING removed two of the wheels and the locos became ATLANTICS. ACG built READING Atlantics by the thousands, continually cheapening them as they went. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52105	From: David Engle	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

I remember "Jubilee" for 4-4-4s, it is mainly a Canadian classification. Anyone who knows CN or CP steam era should be able to confirm this. ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The Hudson No Rance, I didn't mean to confuse anyone with this. I don't know what the 4 4 4s were called, Atlantics were always 4 2 2s. They got their name from the Atlantic Coast Line RR, which I believe was the first to have them. Pacifics, unless someone knows better than I, were named from MOPAC. I guess we can assume the Hudsons were originally named by the N Y Central. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52106	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

Gary, There is also a NYC Mohawk 4-8-2 at the Museum of Transportation in St Louis. It is # 2933. Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chudzinski" <chudgr@...> wrote: > > > The idiot to which you refer was Alfred E. Perlman, president of NYC 1958-1968. He scrapped all of the heavy steam power to dieselize the road. Only two heavies remain; one, a Mohawk (4-8-2) L-2c or d in Texas and the other, a L-3A in the NYC Museum, Elkhart, IN. I don't recall which of the two, but one was hidden for years in some NYC facility and the other sold off to Mexico (I think). It's been a while since I read the history. There may be some light steam still around rusting, but Perlman had all the Hudsons(4-6-4), Mohawks(4-8- 2), and Niagaras(4-8-4) melted down for scrap. I believe I read somewhere that the government gave railroads a lucrative tax credit to scrap steam and convert to diesel. Probably an early bureaucratic version of the EPA! The Hudson was the power for the famous Twentieth Century Limited for many years. For a period in the late 1930's, Hudsons of the Limited were clad in a streamlined shell. One beautiful locomotive! MTH has produced this model in O scale......not sure if it was ever an AF issue. American models has a similar streamlined version referred to as Empire State but not exactly like the Century model. > Gary Chudzinski > > > >The Hudson Posted by: "mlprell" mlprell@... > >Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:24 am (PST) > > >I've asked this question to the TCA group. Who was responsible for the > >destruction of all of the NYC Hudsons? As a proud guardian of three > >Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the > >history of this beautiful machine. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52107	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Gene please read the earlier emails. Don't know where you got 4-2-2 from? Atlantics were 4-4-2's Readings 4-4-4's.Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of G C Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:21 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The Hudson No Rance, I didn't mean to confuse anyone with this. I don't know what the 4 4 4s were called, Atlantics were always 4 2 2s. They got their name from the Atlantic Coast Line RR, which I believe was the first to have them. Pacifics, unless someone knows better than I, were named from MOPAC. I guess we can assume the Hudsons were originally named by the N Y Central. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52108	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

I thought the Hudson was so named as it ran along the Hudson River in New York State and yes they were used be the New York Central Rail Road System, and I am sure other rail roads.   Mike Rosz --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: The Hudson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 10:51 AM Gene please read the earlier emails. Don't know where you got 4-2-2 from? Atlantics were 4-4-2's Readings 4-4-4's.Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of G C Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:21 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The Hudson No Rance, I didn't mean to confuse anyone with this. I don't know what the 4 4 4s were called, Atlantics were always 4 2 2s. They got their name from the Atlantic Coast Line RR, which I believe was the first to have them. Pacifics, unless someone knows better than I, were named from MOPAC. I guess we can assume the Hudsons were originally named by the N Y Central. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52109	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: 287 field Assembly

We have several original field magnet assemblies, both new and used. All original AC Gilbert. Email or call us for pricing. Steve SnS Trains Boise. _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) In a message dated 01/13/2009 5:18:35 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jananderson99@... writes: The inside wire is broken on the field assembly of my 287. Where's the best place to purchase a winding or even a whole motor? I would really like to save this thing if I can. Thanks in advance Chuck **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52110	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Train help

It is a generic train. No special kind. It is suppose to smoke. Thanks!! Calvin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52111	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

Dave, just send a pocket full of Loonies". lol Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? Dave: In order to answer your question accurately I would need to know a few details. First, in banking terminoloy, there is no such thing as "instant cash". I'm going to make some assumptions: 1: You are purchasing these "drafts" in Canada. 2: You are purchasing them in US Dollars so they are not drawn in CAN Dollars. 3: They have a routing & transit(R/T) number drawn on a US bank (Chase in the US not Canada) If so then they should clear just like any other check. I would be interested in knowing what the checks say on them, i.e. Cashier's Check, Bank Check, Money Order, etc. That will help me determine under US Banking Regulation CC when you customer will receive credit in their account (not when the check actually clears) What I can tell you is they are most probably NOT like traveler's checks. Travelers checks are countersigned by the purchaser, and the payee is unknown to the bank until the check clears. In your case, I assume you are purchasing the check and having it made payable to someone else so the bank has a record of who the check is payable to. If my assumptions are incorrect, and the check is drawn in CAN Dollars and/or the check has a CAN R/T number then it may have to be "sent off for collection" or actually sent in the mail to the paying bank. This is where it gets very complicated because some CAN banks use US R/T numbers, some don't. Then you get into exchange rates and the US banks have to deal with correspondent banks to work out the exchange rate, but that is not Banking 101 and probably not of interest to S-trains group members. (Although I really get into this stuff.) I hope this helps. Please feel free to contact me if you have additional questions. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Banker Bill ...Thanx its so nice to see someone Who actually knows > what hes talking about clear the air...instead of watching others > spouting off and mudding the waters....I am curious of coarse on the > payment method that I have used. since it has not been > mentioned....due to problems others have had...I personally being in > Canada ..have for the past 5 yrs only used Bank Drafts which are > drawn on Chase Manhatten NYC..and since i was told they are like > Travlers cheques are instant cash ....I have never had a prob or have > never had a recipient who has ever had a prob due to the fact they > are instant cash for the reciever.... > I await your Professional comments..... > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@> wrote: > > > > As a long time commercial banker (not investment or mortgage > banker, > > but don't get me started here), let me take the opportunity to > weigh > > in on the whole Cashier's check, bank check, money order, personal > > check thing. > > > > I won't bore all of you with the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) and > > the banking regulation CC and other pertinent regs, but the matter > of > > check clearing has more to do with when your bank gives you credit > > for the funds deposited rather than the validity of the check. > Just > > because your bank gives you credit for the funds DOES NOT mean the > > funds have cleared the paying bank or that those funds are good. > > This applies to ANY check (see list above) All forms of checks can > > be certified lost, stolen, forged, etc. Just check the FDIC webite > > for the almost daily list of forged cashier's checks from banks. > It > > is way to easy to dummy up a bank's cashier's check and present it > > for payment. But, that's another story in and of itself. > > > > Your best protection against checks being returned is to go to the > > paying bank (or post office as was wisely suggested). Once you > cash > > the check, then the burdon of proof is upon the maker of the check > > not you. Keep in mind that some rather unscrupulous banks are > > charging a fee to non-customers to cash checks drawn on them if you > > don't have an account with them. By regulation, the bank is > required > > to know if a check drawn on them is good. They have every right to > > obtain the ID of the person cashing the check and you should NOT > > endorse the check before personally appearing at the bank. Don't > > endorse it and give it to you wife to take to cash. (See wife > stories > > in a different thread) This makes the check a third party check > > which the bank may not cash. > > > > A check is a legal document drawn by the maker and if you read the > > check it says to "Pay to the order of..." In banking jargon this > is > > a DDA "Demand Deposit Account" because the maker "Demands" payment > of > > the item. This demand is subject to revocation, though. > > > > As holder in due course, you have the right to bring suit against > the > > maker of the check should the check be withdrawn and the maker > > received value, but that's a case for the lawyers and not the > subject > > of this writing. The bottom line is he who has the cash wins > unless > > it is subject to offset with an account you may have at the bank. > > > > OK, so what to do when you get a check drawn on a bank that is not > > located within driving distance of you? Write down the R/T > (routing > > & transit) number of the bank. This is the 8 digit number within > the > > symbols |:xxxxxxxx|: (where "xxxxxxxx" is the actual number) also > > write down the account number on the check, the check number and > the > > amount. Then go to www.routingnumbers.org/ plug in the routing > > number and verify the bank listed is the bank the check is drawn > on. > > If this is true, then call the number provided in the listing and > > verify if the funds are good "AT THIS TIME". Note I said "at this > > time". They may not be when the check is presented to the bank. > > Some banks have started to limit the ability to check on available > > funds because of privacy issues and once again that's another whole > > story. > > > > If the funds are good at this time deposit them with your bank and > > keep your fingers crossed. In a few days, check back with the > paying > > bank and see if they will tell you if the item has cleared them. > If > > so, you are good to go. There are many reasons that a check can be > > returned after payment but your banker should be able to refuse the > > return for an equal number of reasons if they are willing to help > > you. All of this is of course covered by banaking regulation. > > > > I hope this epistle has helped and if anyone wishes to contact me > > offline, I'll be glad to help. > > > > "Banker" Bill > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm going to look in to this. I just deposited a USPS check in my > > checking, but was going to clear in at the post office when > shipping > > a item off. Now I read this.... > > > > > > Clayton > > > > > > MILwaukie OR > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal vs money order; Green Dot? > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:08 PM > > > > Interesting! I consulted with the manager of my bank when > > > > I started selling a lot of stuff on ebay and he told me a > > > > money order was no better than a personal check. He > > > > advised accepting only USPS money orders and cashing them at > > > > the post office rather than depositing them in the bank. > > > > What he told me is that the buyer can't stop payment > > > > after you get the cash, but he CAN up until then. Is that > > > > not true? > > > > > > > > He told me that the post office computer will know whether > > > > he has stopped payment, but there's no way to know > > > > that if you deposit it in the bank. The banks clear money > > > > orders the same way they clear checks and it can take months > > > > before the transaction is truly, absolutely final. The > > > > fact that it hasn't bounced in two weeks is no guarantee > > > > that it won't; people simply use ten days or two weeks > > > > as a rule of thumb to reduce the probability that > > > > they'll get stuck with a bounced check or money order. > > > > > > > > My bank manager says he accepts nothing but PayPal because > > > > its protection for the seller is better than any other > > > > payment method out there. > > > > > > > > Another guy I know just told me about Green Dot cards. He > > > > claims they're just as safe as PayPal, but the buyer > > > > pays all the fees and it's cheaper than PayPal for large > > > > transactions. Has anybody used Green Dot and what's > > > > your experience with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PayPal > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > >>How did you get burned by a money order? I am > > > > selling a boat for 7000 and > > > > he wants to use a money order to pay. > > > > > > > > > > > > As the seller, you are in the driver's seat. The one > > > > taking the risk is the buyer. > > > > > > > > The whole thing with a MO is that it is like a "gift > > > > card". It is paid for and the use of it cannot be > > > > stopped.First you pay the amount of the amount needed, then > > > > you pay the fee to purchase it, then finally, you pay to > > > > mail the MO to the seller. > > > > > > > > If the seller tells you the item is "perfect", > > > > unless you can test it or actually hold it, you are at their > > > > mercy. Unlike a check, a MO cannot be cancelled or it's > > > > funds returned as with a credit card or PayPal. > > > > > > > > It is simply a matter of faith that both parties are > > > > honest. The only way to attempt to get money back from a > > > > thief like the ones I dealt with was to file a complaint > > > > with the Postmaster General and wait. Keep in mind, this is > > > > the government, you will probably die before any resolution > > > > is made in your favor. Meanwhile, the seller is already back > > > > in the market for another sucker. > > > > > > > > One other thing. The USPS will not let you purchase a MO > > > > with a credit card. The only other protection you could have > > > > had to dispute the payment. > > > > > > > > Unless you know the person you are sending the MO to, find > > > > a better way. Possibly an escrow account that will not > > > > release the money until the item is recieved and meets the > > > > seller's claims. For $7K. I would not take that risk. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nick Kulp > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52112	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: PayPal vs money order; Green Dot?

TOONIES ARE TWICE THE AMOUNT.... AND TAKE UP THE SAME SPACE!!!!!! BOB -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- Dave, just send a pocket full of Loonies". lol Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52113	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Streamline Pullman

Is anyone aware of any Pullman streamline passenger cars having been made for "S" ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52114	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman

Ah, one of our favorite questions on the list!!! Few and far between Mark, few and far between. I bought a set of gorgeous UP passenger cars made by AM some years back. Trouble is, nearly as I can tell, there is not a current manufacturer of S stuff that is willing to take the considerable risk in tooling up for such a project. The Flyer folks want cars that will run on 20² radius track, so that somewhat limits the length of the cars; scale guys apparently all want different road names with prototypically correct consists, and there aren¹t enough of us in scale to justify the expense required to create the necessary variety. There are apparently enough O, HO and N modelers to warrant such an investment, but not enough of us. I promise you, however, that when I win the lottery I will personally front the cost of bringing to production streamlined passenger cars in S in a variety of road names, mostly the ones I want of course:) Roy on 1/13/09 3:43 PM, Mark Kiner at robbe_wan@... wrote: > > > > Is anyone aware of any Pullman streamline passenger cars having been > made for "S" ? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52115	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: MELS DINER 1/64th WARNING ITEMS FOR SALE

Anyone having trouble finding the "MELS DINER" diorama.... I have a few...along with the repair shop & the Tire Shop...$20 shipped...Contact me off list _Anormal1@....... .Mike_ (mailto:Anormal1@....... .Mike) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52116	From: David Engle	Date: 1/13/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman

The (nearly) full-length GN-prototype cars from American Models are probably what you are looking for--all 80-ft plus, bag/dorm, coach, dome, sleeper, high-window observation. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Streamline Pullman Is anyone aware of any Pullman streamline passenger cars having been made for "S" ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52117	From: templetonlou	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: S tunnel portals

Does anyone know of a manufacturer of S scale tunnel portals? I'm looking for ones used on mainline service with a stone facing if possible. Thanks, Lou

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52118	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman

For the less-than-purist, I think Marx created some smooth-sided streamliners in 3/16 scale, 60' lengths with O gauge trucks that could rather easily be converted. You might look into that. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Is anyone aware of any Pullman streamline passenger cars having been > made for "S" ? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52119	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Streamline Pullman

Nevery mind my previous suggestion. I looked up some photos of the Marx cars and they are still the corrigated sides, not smooth, and rather crudely built. I don't think they are what you are looking for. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Is anyone aware of any Pullman streamline passenger cars having been > made for "S" ? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52120	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

Lance, Don't really know the answer to that......perhaps money, organizers, or convenience. Maybe for the same reason the Rock and Roll Museum is in Cleveland! :-) Al, Thanks for the reminder....you are absolutely correct about Mohawk #2933 in St. Louis. I may have been thinking of Texas because one of the two existing was recovered from there. Gary Chudzinski >Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson >Posted by: "Rance and Bente" velapoldi@... Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 am (PST) >Hey Gary (and possibly those other great NYC fans like E.L.) >How come the NYC museum is in Elkhart, IN????? Undoubtedly the NYC had >tracks in Indiana, but why not a NY museum? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) >Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson >Posted by: "Al Baker" albaker33@... >Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:55 am (PST) >Gary, >There is also a NYC Mohawk 4-8-2 at the Museum of Transportation in >St Louis. It is # 2933. >Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52121	From: David Engle	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

Check me on this--was not the one at Elkhart originally at Age of Steam in Dallas, and a GG-1 was traded to get the Mohawk to Elkhart? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Chudzinski To: S-Trains Group Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson Lance, Don't really know the answer to that......perhaps money, organizers, or convenience. Maybe for the same reason the Rock and Roll Museum is in Cleveland! :-) Al, Thanks for the reminder....you are absolutely correct about Mohawk #2933 in St. Louis. I may have been thinking of Texas because one of the two existing was recovered from there. Gary Chudzinski >Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson >Posted by: "Rance and Bente" velapoldi@... Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 am (PST) >Hey Gary (and possibly those other great NYC fans like E.L.) >How come the NYC museum is in Elkhart, IN????? Undoubtedly the NYC had >tracks in Indiana, but why not a NY museum? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) >Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson >Posted by: "Al Baker" albaker33@... >Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:55 am (PST) >Gary, >There is also a NYC Mohawk 4-8-2 at the Museum of Transportation in >St Louis. It is # 2933. >Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52122	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: S tunnel portals

The Scenery Unlimited catalog used to carry at least two varieties. I haven¹t bought a catalog in a few years, but it is about the best single information source for S stuff. > > heimburgerhouse.com/scenery_unlimited/scenery_unlimited_catalog.htm is the web > link Roy Inman on 1/13/09 11:02 PM, templetonlou at louloist@... wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a manufacturer of S scale tunnel portals? I'm > looking for ones used on mainline service with a stone facing if > possible. > > Thanks, > Lou > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52123	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Flyonel Mikado

Larry J's pictorial on converting the 2-8-2 for DCC spurred me on to try my hand at it. Only I wanted to run on DC. However, after converting my Flyonel Mikado to operate on DC, I have found the smoke unit to be lack luster at best - and that was while it worked. What is the general opinion of this smoke unit? It would smolder - just barely -- but without a fan or piston to move some air, I can't see that this thing could do much more than that. The conversion to DC is really very easy. I found I didn't have to cut any of the wires, I only had to take out the AC circuit boards and shunt the motor plug. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52124	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

FYI,   A photo of one of the Mohawks, an L2d 2933 undergoing restoration in St Louis in September 2008 is in the latest issue of Model Railroad News magazine. The article covered the new MTH HO Mohawks and they look great.   Timing is everything, Nick Kulp Al,    Thanks for the reminder....you are absolutely correct about Mohawk #2933 in St. Louis.  I may have been thinking of Texas because one of the two existing was recovered from there. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52126	From: ljaneski@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado

Tom, When I ran mine it did not seem to do much Larry -------------- Original message from "perry001" <perry001@...>: -------------- Tom, Has anyone run there 2-8-2 and seen how it smokes in operation on a layout? Is there suppose to be enought draft when the engine is runnig to get the smoke to flow out enought to make it look like a real steam engine? Is there enouht room to put a small motor and fan in the engine to blow the smoke out? ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Allen Evans' ; 'perry001' ; ljaneski@... ; Jerry & Lynn Poniatowski ; Jay.Mellon@... Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Flyonel Mikado Larry J’s pictorial on converting the 2-8-2 for DCC spurred me on to try my hand at it. Only I wanted to run on DC. However, after converting my Flyonel Mikado to operate on DC, I have found the smoke unit to be lack luster at best – and that was while it worked. What is the general opinion of this smoke unit? It would smolder – just barely -- but without a fan or piston to move some air, I can’t see that this thing could do much more than that. The conversion to DC is really very easy. I found I didn’t have to cut any of the wires, I only had to take out the AC circuit boards and shunt the motor plug. Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52127	From: michael prell	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

Gentlemen, thank you both. Don't forget to spit when you say Perlman's name. I was told that this action is manditory.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:45 AM Gary, There is also a NYC Mohawk 4-8-2 at the Museum of Transportation in St Louis. It is # 2933. Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Gary Chudzinski" <chudgr@...> wrote: > > > The idiot to which you refer was Alfred E. Perlman, president of NYC 1958-1968. He scrapped all of the heavy steam power to dieselize the road. Only two heavies remain; one, a Mohawk (4-8-2) L-2c or d in Texas and the other, a L-3A in the NYC Museum, Elkhart, IN. I don't recall which of the two, but one was hidden for years in some NYC facility and the other sold off to Mexico (I think). It's been a while since I read the history. There may be some light steam still around rusting, but Perlman had all the Hudsons(4-6- 4), Mohawks(4-8- 2), and Niagaras(4-8- 4) melted down for scrap. I believe I read somewhere that the government gave railroads a lucrative tax credit to scrap steam and convert to diesel. Probably an early bureaucratic version of the EPA! The Hudson was the power for the famous Twentieth Century Limited for many years. For a period in the late 1930's, Hudsons of the Limited were clad in a streamlined shell. One beautiful locomotive! MTH has produced this model in O scale......not sure if it was ever an AF issue. American models has a similar streamlined version referred to as Empire State but not exactly like the Century model. > Gary Chudzinski > > > >The Hudson Posted by: "mlprell" mlprell@... > >Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:24 am (PST) > > >I've asked this question to the TCA group. Who was responsible for the > >destruction of all of the NYC Hudsons? As a proud guardian of three > >Flyer Hudsons , including a very nice 314AW, I'm interested in the > >history of this beautiful machine. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52128	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado

Tom, The Suethe smoke unit is not very good. If you run TMCC or DCC then you will get some smoke. I converted to DCC w/Tsunami sound. Burned up 2 smoke units. Not worth the effort. On my Mike, the smoke unit had 2 diode bridges, that dropped the voltage by 1.4 V. If you have that arrangement, take out the diodes, should smoke at lower voltage. Steve Lunde ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Allen Evans' ; 'perry001' ; ljaneski@... ; Jerry & Lynn Poniatowski ; Jay.Mellon@... Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado Larry J's pictorial on converting the 2-8-2 for DCC spurred me on to try my hand at it. Only I wanted to run on DC. However, after converting my Flyonel Mikado to operate on DC, I have found the smoke unit to be lack luster at best - and that was while it worked. What is the general opinion of this smoke unit? It would smolder - just barely -- but without a fan or piston to move some air, I can't see that this thing could do much more than that. The conversion to DC is really very easy. I found I didn't have to cut any of the wires, I only had to take out the AC circuit boards and shunt the motor plug. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52129	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado

I'd just like to know what it is supposed to do on a good day, i.e. with the TMCC or whatever. With the AC boards out there is a lot of room behind the engine - maybe enough in front, however, I'm not familiar with smoke systems to know. Tom _____ From: perry001 [mailto:perry001@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:15 PM To: Thomas Stoltz; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Allen Evans'; ljaneski@...; Jerry & Lynn Poniatowski; Jay.Mellon@... Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado Tom, Has anyone run there 2-8-2 and seen how it smokes in operation on a layout? Is there suppose to be enought draft when the engine is runnig to get the smoke to flow out enought to make it look like a real steam engine? Is there enouht room to put a small motor and fan in the engine to blow the smoke out? ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas <mailto:tstoltz@...> Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Allen <mailto:allen.evans@...> Evans' ; 'perry001' <mailto:perry001@...> ; ljaneski@... ; Jerry <mailto:poniaj@...> & Lynn Poniatowski ; Jay.Mellon@... Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Flyonel Mikado Larry J's pictorial on converting the 2-8-2 for DCC spurred me on to try my hand at it. Only I wanted to run on DC. However, after converting my Flyonel Mikado to operate on DC, I have found the smoke unit to be lack luster at best - and that was while it worked. What is the general opinion of this smoke unit? It would smolder - just barely -- but without a fan or piston to move some air, I can't see that this thing could do much more than that. The conversion to DC is really very easy. I found I didn't have to cut any of the wires, I only had to take out the AC circuit boards and shunt the motor plug. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52130	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado

Here is what the Mikes look like when new on a good day: http://www.tuveson.com/Mikado/mikadaos1.jpg Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Stoltz Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:52 PM To: 'perry001'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Allen Evans'; ljaneski@...; 'Jerry & Lynn Poniatowski'; Jay.Mellon@... Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Flyonel Mikado I'd just like to know what it is supposed to do on a good day, i.e. with the TMCC or whatever. With the AC boards out there is a lot of room behind the engine - maybe enough in front, however, I'm not familiar with smoke systems to know. Tom _____ From: perry001 [mailto:perry001@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:15 PM To: Thomas Stoltz; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Allen Evans'; ljaneski@...; Jerry & Lynn Poniatowski; Jay.Mellon@... Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado Tom, Has anyone run there 2-8-2 and seen how it smokes in operation on a layout? Is there suppose to be enought draft when the engine is runnig to get the smoke to flow out enought to make it look like a real steam engine? Is there enouht room to put a small motor and fan in the engine to blow the smoke out? ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas <mailto:tstoltz@...> Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Allen <mailto:allen.evans@...> Evans' ; 'perry001' <mailto:perry001@...> ; ljaneski@... ; Jerry <mailto:poniaj@...> & Lynn Poniatowski ; Jay.Mellon@... Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Flyonel Mikado Larry J's pictorial on converting the 2-8-2 for DCC spurred me on to try my hand at it. Only I wanted to run on DC. However, after converting my Flyonel Mikado to operate on DC, I have found the smoke unit to be lack luster at best - and that was while it worked. What is the general opinion of this smoke unit? It would smolder - just barely -- but without a fan or piston to move some air, I can't see that this thing could do much more than that. The conversion to DC is really very easy. I found I didn't have to cut any of the wires, I only had to take out the AC circuit boards and shunt the motor plug. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52131	From: Firewood	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > I thought the Hudson was so named as it ran along the Hudson River in New York State and yes they were used be the New York Central Rail Road System, and I am sure other rail roads. >   > Mike Rosz > If I remembers right, the New York Central, in marketing its "Water Level" Route, wanted to avoid such hazardous-sounding names like "Mountain" for its locos, so used names like Mohawk, Hudson and Niagara instead. The Canadians had Selkirks (the 2-10-4 Texas), Jubilees (the aforesaid 4-4-4)as well as Hudsons etc. Now, those Yellowstones..........2-8-8-4, one of which sits in the Depot museum in Duluth MN, and another on outdoor display in Two Harbors, MN. And there's an S scale drawing in a 1970's MR mag around here somewhere............hmmmmmmm.....I digress. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52132	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/14/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado

Here's one that performs well action (remember too its moving pretty fast on a train show layout. When run slower on a smaller layout it can make a smoke-filled room in a hurry.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzpHBCjDjfQ&feature=channel_page <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzpHBCjDjfQ&feature=channel_page> The Sueuthe smoke units in Lionel AF steamers vary in resistance and subsequently performance. Their performance can also be affected the early or late model control board that they paired up with - - the latter doing a better job at reliable ON/OFF , start-up, and shutdown than the prior. There are no doubt manufacturing tolerances with the Suethe's and boards - - there is with every component. I have measured Suethe resistances from 7.X ohms to 9.9 ohms. The smoke unit in the UP Mikado in the youtube video above is one that I selected from some spares that I had purchased from Lionel. The original unit was 9.9 ohms and worked so-so, the unit I replaced it with was 7.7 ohms and it works "perfectly" - - at least in my opinion and by comparison to my 4 others. It smokes voluminously with many different types of fluid (ANormal1, Smoke'n by Putt, and others). It starts almost instantly with ON, turns off in a snap, and stays off no matter what other commands I send the engine (the units in one of my NYC Mikes and in my B&O Mike sometimes come on inadvertently when I blow the whistle or send some other command) . I can start the UP Mike with 15 drops in the stack and once running add as many as 25-30 drops and it belches smoke out consistently. By comparison, one of my NYC Mikes must be started off with less than 10 drops, then run a few minutes/laps before it starts sputtering, and then after it's working well you can add maybe up to 20 drops at at time - much more than that and it may not work very well for awhile. The unit in my B&O Mike is also a bit quirky. On the other hand, my Alton Pacific's smoke unit worked great right out of the box and still does. Real steamers each had their own personality Our"S" do too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52133	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: 2009 Spring Spree

Anybody know when & where Spring Spree this year is? Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52134	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Wanted Tsunami # 827105 (Alco 251)

Hi All, I ordered Alco 251 Tsunamis for my for my 2 RS11 a while back. I think inadvertently put 1 Alco 251 in my PA set. Lucky me, they are not marked once out of the package! I ordered a replacement yesterday only to find they are on backorder. If I don't keep on this the RS11 will go back in the box for the 3rd time! Does anyone have ONE new in the bag Tsunami # 827105 (Alco 251) they do not need or not need for a while? Options are to buy the Tsunami from you outright, (if you are a hobby shop or a dealer check your stock) switch with another Tsunami (medium steam etc) or essentially borrow it? I will replace it with the unit I will eventually get. I would actually prefer to buy it outright especially if you can ship ASAP. Please reply directly to bill@... with how you want to proceed with this. Thanks in advance! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52135	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Seuthe smoke units

My first experiance with these was the smoke units in LGB locomotives in the eighties. They worked very well, probably the best non-fan driven smoke units made. But you didn't dare run them at too high voltages, or out of fluid because they would burn up quickly. They work best in a rather narrow voltage range. Some years ago, I talked to Terry Putt about them as he used them in his Rex/Putt locos. He told me he had experimanted and settled on a small six volt unit with the track voltage restricted electronically to the best range for smoke production. G&M Train & Hobby is a Lionel/Flyonel Service Station and we've two of the steamers apart for warrantee work. We think most Lionel products tend to electrically "under drive" the Seuthe units for logevity. I gutted a modern Docksider of it's electronics because I run all DC power. That improved smoke production, but it still isn't great because the engine's gearing forces you to really crank up the voltage to get it to smoke well. As for the smoke fluid, Seuthe smoke fluid works best, as does Putt's Smoke'n, LGB, and Anormal. Other fluids seem to be blended differently and don't work as well. The MTH smoke fluid is blended for their fan driven smoke units and is lousy in the Seuthe ones. Stumpy Stone...in frigid Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52136	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Smoking Engines

All that HI TECH and they don't smoke ant better then original AF. It makes no sense to me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52137	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Spring Spree

This is from the COSG site (http://www.cosg.org/): Friday & Saturday, May 1 & 2, 2009 / 10:00 am - 4:00 pm. Spring S Spree Convention, Strongsville, Ohio Holiday Inn Hotel (Cleveland area). Hosted by the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association. Click HERE for more information at CVSGA's Web Site. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > Anybody know when & where Spring Spree this year is? > > Tom Hawley > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52138	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

The only Flyonel smoker I've experienced is the Alton Pacific. When run in Command mode on a ZW, the smoke output is good. On the 30B in conventional mode, it is not as good. Are they out of room in the boiler, prohibiting an A.C.Gilbert type?-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52139	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Wasn't the name "Hudson" used because, IIRC, NYC named its locos after rivers in New York state? And, BTW, the CP museum houses a CP Hudson that is called the "Royal Hudson" because it carried the Monarchy during their first visit to the "Colony"-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52140	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

In a message dated 1/15/2009 2:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: Are they out of room in the boiler, prohibiting an A.C.Gilbert type?-John Marganski Fan driven unit probably cheaper to make and less engineering required to get iit to work. BTW, many of the Chinese smoke units have the fan running backwards, something they haven't managed to master yet. I've seen it on the test bench. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52141	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Spring S Spree

This year's Spree is being held by the Cuyahogha Valley S Gaugers, not the Central Ohio S Gaugers. While the date and location seem to be correct to my recollection, there is NO information when you go to the CVSG website. In fact it was last updated in April of last year! I know the event is four months away, but I'd like to register, get a motel room, and arrange to set up my layout. To this end, I e-mailed the CVSG president over the past weekend for info and have heard nothing. Hey CVSG guys...enquiring minds want to know! Stumpy Stone...in even more frigid eastern Ohio!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52142	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

The inside of the boiler of the Flyonel Mikado and Pacific are PACKED tightly with electronics! The circuit board runs just about the whole length of the shell, and there is barely room for the odd short style Seuthe unit. Replacing the smoke unit isn't real tough, but certainly not for beginners or those faint of heart. There's all kinds of things close by that can be messed up if you're not careful. And parts are getting REAL tough to get from Lionel these days. We have two Mikados awaiting smoke units from Lionel at the shop right now. I agree that the basic, old Gilbert smoke unit produces more smoke than any Seuthe unit does, especially the ones in Lionel products. The Gilbert unit is pretty rugged and reliable, and makes an acceptable Choo-choo sound. It has proven itself durable enough to still function after fifty years with minimal maintenance, something I'm afraid the new electronic equipment has yet to prove. Of course, the old steamers are crude looking by comparison, don't run as well unless you change to a can motor and remove the old e- unit, and certainly don't allow the sound and control functions availible in a Flyonel locomotive. So it would appear that your best bet with Flyonel steamers is to get the TMCC control system and feed the smoke unit enough of the right smoke fluid to get optimal smoke out of them and protect the unit. You should be okay doing that. Stumpy Stone...if you're going to smoke, smoke a steam engine...Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52143	From: Firewood	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> wrote: > > I remember "Jubilee" for 4-4-4s, it is mainly a Canadian classification. Anyone who knows CN or CP steam era should be able to confirm this. CPR Jubilee: http://www.railarchive.net/randomsteam/cpr2926.htm Checking the profile of the Marx O27 'CPR' 0-4-0 shows a great resemblance! Just to throw a curve in, here's another NYC Hudson. http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nyc28.jpg This one makes you want to plunk a passenger car body on that odd- looking (to my eyes)Casey Jones, doesn't it? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52144	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Hudson

Yup - and a beautiful thing to see. They ran in Southern Ontario, and on the line between Calgary and Edmonton in the 50s. They looked like a compact Royal Hudson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firewood" <fahrwud@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Hudson > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> wrote: >> >> I remember "Jubilee" for 4-4-4s, it is mainly a Canadian > classification. Anyone who knows CN or CP steam era should be able to > confirm this. > > CPR Jubilee: > http://www.railarchive.net/randomsteam/cpr2926.htm > Checking the profile of the Marx O27 'CPR' 0-4-0 shows a great > resemblance! > Just to throw a curve in, here's another NYC Hudson. > http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nyc28.jpg > This one makes you want to plunk a passenger car body on that odd- > looking (to my eyes)Casey Jones, doesn't it? > > Dave > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52145	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Some S Rolling Stock FOR SALE

I have some extra items for sale. This is stuff I purchased at one time or another but no longer need or have too many have no place for. Price is plus shipping, $6 for one item, $6 for 2, $10 for 3, etc. If you want a bunch, make me an offer and include shipping. Easiest is Pay-Pal but I take checks, M.O.'s etc. May hold for a bit to clear. ITEMS all as new as best as I can tell, everything in their boxes. 1. Lionel-Flyer Maintenance of way Crane #6-149037 and Searchlight Generator car (black and yellow, very nice set, absolutely new in boxes. $120 for both 2. S Helper 01861 2008 Christmas car #2408 hopper $55 3. S Helper 01695 Preibe Poultry Refer $40 4. S helper 01877 Moxie Convention car #2008 $55 5. S Helper 01830 Carling Beer Refer $809 $55 6. Des Plaines CN hopper #111498 $40 7. American Models GN Bay Window Caboose kit $25 8. Pacific Rail Shops KIT Steel ice refer Pacific fruit express #47208 $30 9. Pacific Rail Shops KIT Steel ice refer Union Refer Oscar Meyer #5371 $30 10. S Helper service track curved 24 inch Radius 4 boxes, 6 pieces each (2 full circles) $30 per box, $120 for all 4 shipping included. Thanks for looking, These will go to ebay, probably Sunday night, so let me know. Everything is negiotiatable make me an offer Eric Reis Kenmore, Washington 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52146	From: Firewood	Date: 1/15/2009
Subject: Rail King curiosity

Shot in the dark here; MTH Rail King locos - any have S-convertible proportions? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52147	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

Stumpy says: "But you didn't dare run them at too high voltages, or out of fluid because they would burn up quickly. They work best in a rather narrow voltage range." Hi Stumpy, The Flyonel Mikado's smoke unit is wired to track power with a little electronics packet in line. I've been told there is a voltage regulator and capacitor in the packet. We've read on the list that it will smoke in 'conventional' mode (I'm assuming 5-16VAC here) but better in TMCC (a consistent 16VAC to the rails?). The TMCC boards are not in the Seuthe circuit so it looks like it should handle at least 16VAC. Am I correct so far? What I'm really interested in is can the Seuthe be run on DC without burning it up? The motor works very well on DC as does the cab and headlight - I'm afraid the marker light LEDs probably needed some protecting, but that's too late now. I'm also chomping to get at the sound board in the tender to see if it can be made to respond to the chuff switch without all the TMCC electronics in the way. It's too bad Flyonel packaged this engine without the options (AC, DC or decoder) that SHS and AM offer. It is just one more non compatible system introduced into S gauge. If S is to grow, we need uniting technology, not dividing. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52148	From: ekaplan707	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

Try Aristocraft smoke fluid. Micromark carries it and you probably can get it from any vendor that sells the Aristocraft line of G gauge trains. It works exceedly well with all sizes of Seuthe smoke units including the ones in the AF Mikado and Pacific. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The inside of the boiler of the Flyonel Mikado and Pacific are PACKED > tightly with electronics! The circuit board runs just about the > whole length of the shell, and there is barely room for the odd short > style Seuthe unit. > Replacing the smoke unit isn't real tough, but certainly not for > beginners or those faint of heart. There's all kinds of things close > by that can be messed up if you're not careful. And parts are > getting REAL tough to get from Lionel these days. We have two > Mikados awaiting smoke units from Lionel at the shop right now. > I agree that the basic, old Gilbert smoke unit produces more smoke > than any Seuthe unit does, especially the ones in Lionel products. > The Gilbert unit is pretty rugged and reliable, and makes an > acceptable Choo-choo sound. It has proven itself durable enough to > still function after fifty years with minimal maintenance, something > I'm afraid the new electronic equipment has yet to prove. > Of course, the old steamers are crude looking by comparison, don't > run as well unless you change to a can motor and remove the old e- > unit, and certainly don't allow the sound and control functions > availible in a Flyonel locomotive. > So it would appear that your best bet with Flyonel steamers is to get > the TMCC control system and feed the smoke unit enough of the right > smoke fluid to get optimal smoke out of them and protect the unit. > You should be okay doing that. > Stumpy Stone...if you're going to smoke, smoke a steam > engine...Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52149	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

We carry their smoke fluid to. They now call it CREST. Go half way down our webpage. Don http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/misc_in_stock.html On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:34 AM, ekaplan707 wrote: > Try Aristocraft smoke fluid. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52150	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

Hi Tom, I believe the smoke unit is in the TMCC circuit, because you can turn it on and off from TMCC. I seem to remember there was also a smoke "boost" position, but that may have been in another loco. What I can guarantee is that if you put more than 9v on it, it will pop. About 7v smokes nice (at least the one I had) but you can't ever let it run out or it will burn out immediately. I did it! I controlled mine with DCC, and used a resistor to give about 7v. It smoked very well, but of course it did not puff in synch with the wheels (or sound). It was good for a demo, let it smoke for a minute or two, then turn off. Bill At 12:10 PM 1/16/2009, Thomas Stoltz wrote: >Stumpy says: > >"But you didn't dare run them at too high >voltages, or out of fluid because they would burn up quickly. They >work best in a rather narrow voltage range." > >Hi Stumpy, > >The Flyonel Mikado's smoke unit is wired to track power with a little >electronics packet in line. I've been told there is a voltage regulator and >capacitor in the packet. We've read on the list that it will smoke in >'conventional' mode (I'm assuming 5-16VAC here) but better in TMCC (a >consistent 16VAC to the rails?). The TMCC boards are not in the Seuthe >circuit so it looks like it should handle at least 16VAC. > >Am I correct so far? What I'm really interested in is can the Seuthe be run >on DC without burning it up? The motor works very well on DC as does the >cab and headlight - I'm afraid the marker light LEDs probably needed some >protecting, but that's too late now. > >I'm also chomping to get at the sound board in the tender to see if it can >be made to respond to the chuff switch without all the TMCC electronics in >the way. > >It's too bad Flyonel packaged this engine without the options (AC, DC or >decoder) that SHS and AM offer. It is just one more non compatible system >introduced into S gauge. If S is to grow, we need uniting technology, not >dividing. > >Tom Stoltz > >Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork >Maine S Gaugers >NASG > ><<http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> >www.tomsturnouts.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52151	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: For Sale: American Models DC diesel engines

FA2002 Great Northern FA-2 FP7002 Great Northern FP-7   Asking $100 for each.  Make offer.   Pictures and more information are on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52152	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines

American Models RS3004 Great Northern RS-3 diesel engine. AC engine with hi-rail wheels and couplers. has been run. Asking $100.  Make offer.   S-Helper SW-1 diesel switchers:   00446 Western Pacific #503 00448 Milwaukee Road #1634 00456 Southern Pacific #1014   All are new and compete in original box.  MSRP $199.95.  Asking $150.  Make offer.  These engines run on AC right out of the box, but S-Helper includes all the parts necessary to operate on DC. Pictures and more information are on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52153	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights

#48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008 #48554 Bethlehem Steel Gondola with Coil Covers made in 2008 #48374 Holiday Boxcar made in 2008 #48375 Stock Car with Reindeer made in 2008   Each is C-10 mint condition, never removed from the original box. MSRP $59.99; make offer.   #49046 Animated Santa Caboose made in 2008. C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $84.99; make offer.   #48305 Wabash Boxcar made in 1988. C-9 factory new; taken out of the box for pictures. 2008 Greenberg $28.00; make offer.   Pictures and more information are on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52154	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

All the talk and photos/videos of smoke here lately has me thinking of my 322SIT again. If anyone has a link to a picture or video of a SIT smoking & chuffing well I would really like to see it to see if my expectations are reasonable. The 322 is now converted from bellows to a piston and has a new wick & element (33 ohms). It smokes better but more like a Lionel than a Flyer with thin smoke trailing out of the stack. The smoke hose is new and not pinched. The new can motor is absolutely silent. The piston unit makes more sound than the bellows did, but pulling three heavyweights it sounds more like a sewing machine than a chuff. Don't get me wrong... I like this engine. Just making sure it is doing it all the way it should. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a video of a well-tuned SIT loco on the web? A > bellows vs piston conversion would be fantastic. I am starting work > on a 322SIT and would like to see how it is supposed to smoke and > sound. > > As it is now the bellows makes almost no sound and it trails a wisp of > smoke at half throttle. It produces more at full throttle of course > but at that speed it is more of a projectile than a locomotive. > > Advice and results from anyone who has redone one of these would be > most appreciated. > > Regards, > Tim Benner > Dayton, OH >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52155	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: AF Bellows?

I'm wondering if anyone sells a replacement bellows for the smoke in tender units American Flyer made in S gauge in 1946 and 1947. I prefer these units and I'm trying to fix two I have.Bill Lyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52156	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Grand Central Station

Just some spare time viewing, if it works. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7830369.stm Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52157	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows?

Bill, You might try Doug at Port Lines Hobbies. (portlines.com). I saw the material on his site. You may have to glue the replacement material to the two ends. Regards, Tim On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Bill Lyon <billyon9@...> wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone sells a replacement bellows for the smoke in tender > units American Flyer made in S gauge in 1946 and 1947. I prefer these units > and I'm trying to fix two I have.Bill Lyon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52158	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: 2009 Spring S Spree

Word has reached me from Alan Evans of the Central Ohio S Gaugers that the Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers website has been hacked and they haven't been able to do anything with it so far! The Spring S Spree is going to be at the Holiday Inn Select at Strongsville, Ohio near Cleveland on April 30, May 1st and 2nd. Registration forms should be coming out within the next week, being sent to everyone on their mailing list. More information will be coming before too long. Due to my travel limitations, this has been one I don't miss every year, so I'll be there with another little layout in 2009. Stumpy Stone...baby it's COLD outside...Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52159	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows?

One of the easiest and cheapest ways is to find an old Umbrella...and cut as much material as you need .....it works very well .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > You might try Doug at Port Lines Hobbies. (portlines.com). I saw the > material on his site. You may have to glue the replacement material to the > two ends. > > Regards, > Tim > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Bill Lyon <billyon9@...> wrote: > > > > > I'm wondering if anyone sells a replacement bellows for the smoke in tender > > units American Flyer made in S gauge in 1946 and 1947. I prefer these units > > and I'm trying to fix two I have.Bill Lyon > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52160	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Tim, I just converted a 322 to piston for a friend and had good smoke output but not a loud chuff like SIB's. I just replaced the smoke filament in a 322 of mine with a bellows unit, and overall I liked smoke output and sound better from it. I will try to put a video file on s-group in the next day or two. I have already returned the one with the cylinder conversion, so won't be able to show it. Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:54:53 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume All the talk and photos/videos of smoke here lately has me thinking of my 322SIT again. If anyone has a link to a picture or video of a SIT smoking & chuffing well I would really like to see it to see if my expectations are reasonable.The 322 is now converted from bellows to a piston and has a new wick & element (33 ohms). It smokes better but more like a Lionel than a Flyer with thin smoke trailing out of the stack. The smoke hose is new and not pinched. The new can motor is absolutely silent. The piston unit makes more sound than the bellows did, but pulling three heavyweights it sounds more like a sewing machine than a chuff. Don't get me wrong... I like this engine. Just making sure it is doing it all the way it should. Regards,Tim BennerDayton, Ohio--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote:>> Does anyone know of a video of a well-tuned SIT loco on the web? A > bellows vs piston conversion would be fantastic. I am starting work > on a 322SIT and would like to see how it is supposed to smoke and > sound. > > As it is now the bellows makes almost no sound and it trails a wisp of > smoke at half throttle. It produces more at full throttle of course > but at that speed it is more of a projectile than a locomotive. > > Advice and results from anyone who has redone one of these would be > most appreciated.> > Regards,> Tim Benner> Dayton, OH> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52161	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Control compatability and Rail King engines .

I don't know of any MTH Rail King engines which are anywhere close enough to convert to S. The Atlas Atlantic is right on as far as the tender and the boiler/cab shell, but regauging the chassis looks nearly impossible. As far as making compatable control systems, you're right, the different types of electronic systems handicaps operating S Gauge. Probably what SHOULD have been done was for MTH and Lionel to adopt the standardized DCC system used in every other scale. But they wanted their own systems, forcing customers to stick with one brand or the other. This fragmented the O Gauge 3 rail market. We're just "collateral damage" of this deal with Lionel's adding their TMCC system in new American Flyer stuff. I understand that American Models has solved this situation by offering engines only AC or DC power and no control or sound systems anymore. The custom may choose and install his own. Stumpy Stone...it's REAL cold in Appalachia now!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52162	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows?

Port Lines Hobby sells replacement material. Contact Doug at _www.portlines.com_ (http://www.portlines.com) Steve SnS Trains NBoise In a message dated 01/16/2009 2:39:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, billyon9@... writes: I'm wondering if anyone sells a replacement bellows for the smoke in tender units American Flyer made in S gauge in 1946 and 1947. I prefer these units and I'm trying to fix two I have.Bill Lyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52163	From: G C	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Control compatability and Rail King engines .

Yes, both the engine and tender on the Atlas Atlantic are within about a scale inch of the prototype PRR E6. The rods and valve gear are a bit cheesy, but not as toy like as on the cheaper Flyer Atlantics. The tender is a real beauty and could probably be used for a variety of locomotives for that time period. I'm waiting to get a couple more of these engines when they start showing up at train shows. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52164	From: G C	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Control compatability and Rail King engines .

Stumpy, I forgot to add the atlas engine is intended for three rail AC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52165	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: OT Please help save the Delta Queen--Let Obama know about it!

HI, If only slightly train related posts bother you, and you can't stand them or me, just hit "delete" -- otherwise read on and make a difference! Yes, I'm still trying to save America's last overnight steamboat. This year, 2009, is the first year that a steamboat carring overnight passengers is not operating on the great heartland rivers of America since 1811. During his campaign, President-elect Obama stated that he was in favor of Saving the Delta Queen. There is an easy way to bring the Delta Queen on the agenda of President-elect Obama -- Go to Ghange.gov Citizen's Briefing Book website: Citizen's Briefing Book Portal (citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=087800000004pbX) and click on the "VOTE UP" button for the "Save the riverboat Delta Queen" entry (okay, you have to register first; but they only ask for name and e-mail address). You don't even have to leave a comment (while this for sure won't hurt). It's just important that as many people as possible ave voting this topic UP. Yes, it takes a little while on dial up! The topics with the most votes will go on Barack Obama's desk directly. Another chance to help the Delta Queen, and a very easy one. So don't hesitate; go right there and vote for the Delta Queen, please, everyone! If you need more information on this cause go to: www.save-the-delta-queen.org Thank you for reading--and I hope acting! Thank you David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52166	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Latest AF NH EP5 6-48075 - now available

Did any of you buy the latest AF NH EP5 (6-48075). Apparently they shipped and are arriving at dealers now. If so, I'd be very interested to know if it really was made with two powered trucks (each with a vertical can motor, flywheel, and their most recent smooth running side-frame style drive train) and Trainsounds (not TMCC Railsounds, but sounds like those in the PRR PB unit – voices, brake squeal, horn, bell, etc) as I was once told by a Lionel rep it would be. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52167	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Destruction of the NYC Hudson

Visit this web site for more info on the NYC Mohawks; _http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mountain/nyc.shtml_ (http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mountain/nyc.shtml) Harwood **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52169	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF Bellows

The October 2000 issue of Classic Toy Trains has an article on repair of the air bellows of the smoke-in-tender unit. You may find it of help with your repair project.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52170	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Control compatability and Rail King engines .

Thanks for the tip, (you old basher, you ;>) I'll race you to the tables! BTW, what are these things going for? Jerry Poniatowski Freezing in SE Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Yes, both the engine and tender on the Atlas Atlantic are within about a scale inch of the prototype PRR E6. .......... I'm waiting to get a couple more of these engines when they start showing up at train shows. > > Gene Cimino > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52171	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: OT Please help save the Delta Queen--Let Obama know about it!

What happened to the elderly riverboat "President", which had been based in New Orleans? I went on a coupla booze cruises on it in the late 70's, The Radiators were the featured band both times-john Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52172	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Train show in Troy, Mich Sunday 18 Jan

One of Michigan's larger train shows will be held tomorrow, Sun 18 Jan, 10A to 3P, in the Athens High School at 4333 John R in Troy (Near Pontiac) Michigan. I'll be there with the same old stuff (AM, SHS, DPH, &c) --- and some new stuff too. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52173	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: For Sale: SHS 2-8-0 locos with DCC sound and code 110 wheels C-10

01772 B&O 2-8-0 locomotive with dcc, sound, and code 110 wheels. 01782 New York Central 2-8-0 locomotive with dcc, sound, and code 110 wheels.   Brand new, still sealed in the original boxes.  MSRP $599.95.  Make offer.   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52174	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/18/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 18, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52175	From: Eric R.	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines

Bob: if this is still available, I'll offer $100 shipped to me USPS 98028 Eric Reis From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:42 PM To: s-trains list; Sgauge Available Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines American Models RS3004 Great Northern RS-3 diesel engine. AC engine with hi-rail wheels and couplers. has been run. Asking $100. Make offer. Pictures and more information are on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52176	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: #299 Atlantic??

On eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM-LOCO-TENDER_W0QQitemZ140294133739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item140294133739&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! I didn't know! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52177	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Finally: SHS SW-1 Switchers join The Gilbert Gallery

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/SHS_SW1_Diesel_Switchers.html   If you own any of the following, I'd appreciate it if you'd email me some large pictures to use on the site:   #00451 Seaboard #00452 Soo Line #00453 or #00454 Lehigh Valley   I have pictures of all the rest.   Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52178	From: pkrae	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: Finally: SHS SW-1 Switchers join The Gilbert Gallery

They all are beautiful.......especially the Milwaukee Road! Looks just like the one that was stationed so lonely in White Sulphur Springs, MT.   john jones   <>   --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Finally: SHS SW-1 Switchers join The Gilbert Gallery To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 9:55 PM http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/SHS_ SW1_Diesel_ Switchers. html   If you own any of the following, I'd appreciate it if you'd email me some large pictures to use on the site:   #00451 Seaboard #00452 Soo Line #00453 or #00454 Lehigh Valley   I have pictures of all the rest.   Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52179	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/17/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat....the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > On eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM- LOCO-TENDER_W0QQitemZ140294133739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains? hash=item140294133739&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A1% 7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52180	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

May be another issue - the 299 is chugger only, no smoke unit. If the guts are changed out, they may be frome a smoker.   Bill Drake Shivering in St. Louis --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:28 PM Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat.. ..the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@. ..> wrote: > > On eBay: http://cgi.ebay com/RARE- AMERICAN- FLYER-299- 4-4-2-STEAM- LOCO-TENDER_ W0QQitemZ1402941 33739QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1402941337 39&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A4%7C65% 3A1% 7C39%3A1%7C240% 3A1318 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52181	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

No. To memory I believe Greenberg lists both varieties - plug in and hardwired! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward G. Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat....the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > On eBay: http://cgi.ebay <http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM-> com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM- LOCO-TENDER_W0QQitemZ140294133739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains? hash=item140294133739&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A1% 7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52182	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

Actually, I believe the 299 came both ways. Plug in and hard wired tender. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/17/2009 9:31:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat..tender ..somewhat..<WBR>..the real 299 had a pl later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Rick Evans <bassflyer@.ba> wrote: > > On eBay: _http://cgi.ebay.http://cghttp://cghttp://cgihttp://cgi.e_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM-) LOCO-TENDER_LOCO-TENDER_<WBRLOCO-TENDER_<WBRLOCO-TENDER_<WLOCO-TENDE hash=item1402941337ha&_trksid=_trksid=_tr&_trkparms=_trkparms=<W_trk 7C39%3A1%7C240%7C39%3 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52183	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: NYC Museum in Elkhart

Since no one else has provided an answer yet, let me give it a try. I grew up in Elkhart. Elkhart, about 100 miles east of Chicago, was home to a major NYC facility. The classification yard (now operated by NS) on the west side of town was the largest automated yard in the world when it was built in the 50's(?). In the steam days, there were two roundhouses in the sprawling facility closer to downtown. As a kid, my dad did odd jobs for the NYC like filling the kerosene lamps in the switches and fetching train crews from the boarding houses when their trains came in (Elkhart was a crew change stop for many trains). My uncle was an engineer and "drove" Mikados back in the day on local runs that covered northern Indiana, southern Michigan, and western Ohio. He had the distinction of taking the last steam engine out of Elkhart to be scraped - somewhere in Michigan, and brought back a diesel. The museum (http://www.nycrrmuseum.org/) is across the tracks from the train station - downtown where the tracks cross Main Street. Elkhart was also home to a CCC&StL (Big 4) station and an interchange with the NYC. This website (http://madisonrails.railfan.net/nyc_links.html) has many links to NYC information. I thought Carl might chime in, but I forgot that he's a PRR guy. ;-) Bruce Willis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hey Gary (and possibly those other great NYC fans like E.L.) > How come the NYC museum is in Elkhart, IN????? Undoubtedly the NYC had > tracks in Indiana, but why not a NY museum? > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52184	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

Ahhhh...... interesting. OK, I just checked-out the photos and I believe you are right. The wiring looks just like my 21085, and it came out in the early '60s! It went for $167.50 eh? Rick. On Jan 17, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Edward G. wrote: > Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit > 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the > tender ..somewhat....the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the > later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender > base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing > about it in the description .... > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: >> >> On eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM- > LOCO-TENDER_W0QQitemZ140294133739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains? > hash=item140294133739&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A1% > 7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 >> >> I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a > #299 ! >> I didn't know! >> >> Rick. >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52185	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic wish/drivers

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52098;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbGI5ODZiB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MjA5OARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjMxODc3NDI3> Re: Atlantic wish Posted by: "G C" <mailto:ecphora123@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Atlantic%20wish> ecphora123@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ecphora123> ecphora123 Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:03 am (PST) Jim, We are still in the swamps when it comes to replacement drivers for our locomotives. The earlier ACG Atlantic with the multi-piece die cast body is much more realistic than the later plastic shell. I have one that has scale drivers pressed on. I got it from Sam Powell a few years ago. He had put some Nixon drivers on it. That combined with the extended pilot and the real hand rails make it look really sharp. If you look at a drawing of the real deal, you will see how much closer they are. This may not matter to many here, but I prefer that sort of thing. Also, I picked up a Hodges trailing truck casting for it as the prototype had those. Gene Has anyone tried Alan Gibson? He has tons of drivers; perhaps an 0 scale driver would be like a Hi-rail driver in S scale. Talking flange size here. He also has spoked wheel that might be good for the pilot truck. www.scalefour.org/ag/index.htm Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52186	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

So now it could be legit. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? Actually, I believe the 299 came both ways. Plug in and hard wired tender. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/17/2009 9:31:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat..tender ..somewhat..<WBR>..the real 299 had a pl later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Rick Evans <bassflyer@.ba> wrote: > > On eBay: _http://cgi.ebay.http://cghttp://cghttp://cgihttp://cgi.e_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM-) LOCO-TENDER_LOCO-TENDER_<WBRLOCO-TENDER_<WBRLOCO-TENDER_<WLOCO-TENDE hash=item1402941337ha&_trksid=_trksid=_tr&_trkparms=_trkparms=<W_trk 7C39%3A1%7C240%7C39%3 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52187	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

It could be possible maybe the seller did not know this. Again, this shows you that you have to know what you are buying. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? Ahhhh...... interesting. OK, I just checked-out the photos and I believe you are right. The wiring looks just like my 21085, and it came out in the early '60s! It went for $167.50 eh? Rick. On Jan 17, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Edward G. wrote: > Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit > 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the > tender ..somewhat....the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the > later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender > base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing > about it in the description .... > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: >> >> On eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-AMERICAN-FLYER-299-4-4-2-STEAM- > LOCO-TENDER_W0QQitemZ140294133739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains? > hash=item140294133739&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A1% > 7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 >> >> I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a > #299 ! >> I didn't know! >> >> Rick. >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52188	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

It looks right to me. I have seen this engine both ways. But just remember this # was at one time offered for sale on new old stock bodies that were numbered & sold by Hobby Surplus. Scott  --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 9:00 AM May be another issue - the 299 is chugger only, no smoke unit. If the guts are changed out, they may be frome a smoker.   Bill Drake Shivering in St. Louis --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@telus. net> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@telus. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:28 PM Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat.. ..the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@. ..> wrote: > > On eBay: http://cgi.ebay com/RARE- AMERICAN- FLYER-299- 4-4-2-STEAM- LOCO-TENDER_ W0QQitemZ1402941 33739QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1402941337 39&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A4%7C65% 3A1% 7C39%3A1%7C240% 3A1318 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52189	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

I think Scott is on to something. The tender seems to be a bit newer than the engine. Mike In a message dated 1/18/2009 8:56:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, northdorchesterrr@... writes: It looks right to me. I have seen this engine both ways. But just remember this # was at one time offered for sale on new old stock bodies that were numbered & sold by Hobby Surplus. Scott --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Bill Drake <_ee_train@...__ (mailto:ee_train@...) > wrote: From: Bill Drake <_ee_train@...__ (mailto:ee_train@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 9:00 AM May be another issue - the 299 is chugger only, no smoke unit. If the guts are changed out, they may be frome a smoker. Bill Drake Shivering in St. Louis --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@telus. net> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@telus. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:28 PM Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat.. ..the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@. ..> wrote: > > On eBay: _http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) com/RARE- AMERICAN- FLYER-299- 4-4-2-STEAM- LOCO-TENDER_ W0QQitemZ1402941 33739QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1402941337 39&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A4%7C65% 3A1% 7C39%3A1%7C240% 3A1318 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52190	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

From what I've read, the 299 didn't have smoke OR choo-choo. ( I hate that choo-choo- term!). And like I mentioned before, I don't think a '54 loco would have the color wiring as a early '60s loco .... would it? My '53 282 sure doesn't. Well, looking at a photo of a '52 282, the wiring looks like the same type of wiring as the 299 in the eBay auction. My '53 282 had (I say had cuz the wiring has been relpaced) the cloth covered wiring. Rick. > May be another issue - the 299 is chugger only, no smoke unit. If > the guts are changed out, they may be frome a smoker. > > Bill Drake > Shivering in St. Louis > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:28 PM > > > > > > > Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit > 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the > tender ..somewhat.. ..the real 299 had a plug in wiring system not the > later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender > base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing > about it in the description .... > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@. ..> wrote: >> >> On eBay: http://cgi.ebay com/RARE- AMERICAN- FLYER-299- 4-4-2-STEAM- > LOCO-TENDER_ W0QQitemZ1402941 33739QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ > RR_Trains? > hash=item1402941337 39&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= > 66%3A4%7C65% 3A1% > 7C39%3A1%7C240% 3A1318 >> >> I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a > #299 ! >> I didn't know! >> >> Rick. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52191	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Chat tonite--I'll miss it

Hi all, Won't be at chat tonite because we'll be at the Sacramento Valley American Flyer club "holiday" meeting in Sacramento. Y'all have a great time, be sure Barb posts about progress on her "Train Mahal" :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52192	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

HELLO.... I hate to bring this up but!!!! ..... THEY WERE MAKING TOYS!!!!!! ....... Just because the year ended, and they had some left over pieces, they didn't trash them... They could use any parts, on hand, that made up something... THAT PRODUCED SALES AND DOLLARS... Remember I have a 21140 Northern... Hard wired, die cast tender, insulated metal wheels, all original boxes, etc.... same in 21130 and 21145.... All three appear to have been put together using left over parts from several years... all are like new and the Northern box has the address printed on it from Gilberts Munitions factory.... DUH.... They reused even the cardboard... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>: -------------- From what I've read, the 299 didn't have smoke OR choo-choo. ( I hate that choo-choo- term!). And like I mentioned before, I don't think a '54 loco would have the color wiring as a early '60s loco .... would it? My '53 282 sure doesn't. Well, looking at a photo of a '52 282, the wiring looks like the same type of wiring as the 299 in the eBay auction. My '53 282 had (I say had cuz the wiring has been relpaced) the cloth covered wiring. Rick. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52193	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

I have a 299 set in my Flyer collection which I got back in the late 60's early 70's and it does have this exact same wiring. Made in 1954. Set includes: 299 Engine 660 Aluminum 655 Green 650 Red 650 Green 735 with 766 station Track and Transformer I would say this the one on eBay is an original engine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? From what I've read, the 299 didn't have smoke OR choo-choo. ( I hate that choo-choo- term!). And like I mentioned before, I don't think a '54 loco would have the color wiring as a early '60s loco .... would it? My '53 282 sure doesn't. Well, looking at a photo of a '52 282, the wiring looks like the same type of wiring as the 299 in the eBay auction. My '53 282 had (I say had cuz the wiring has been relpaced) the cloth covered wiring. Rick. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52194	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: FAKES

The National Toy Train Museum has, in it's possession, a SANTA FE Casey Jones. Unigue thing about it, someone engraved fake on the tender and again on the cab to denote its lack of authenticity. The SF shield is crudely done and heavily painted. Also has a tag explaining the (mis)adventue. It WILL be displayed as a FAKE next year on the "S" Gauge back wall. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52195	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

Yep, that photo also shows the same type wiring as on my 21085, (and the 299 in the auction photo), but it sure is different from my '53 282. I'm assuming wiring styles changed through the years, or was Gilbert all over the map with their wiring? Rick. > So why didn't you check The Gilbert Galery? It's on there, too: > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Atlantic.html > > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] #299 Atlantic?? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:54 PM > > On eBay: http://cgi.ebay com/RARE- AMERICAN- FLYER-299- 4-4-2- > STEAM- LOCO-TENDER_ W0QQitemZ1402941 33739QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ > RR_Trains? hash=item1402941 33739&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= > 66%3A4%7C65% 3A1%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52196	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

Wow. A 660, a 655 green, a 650 red and a 650 green. Interesting, seems like a weird set of cars! :^) Rick. > I have a 299 set in my Flyer collection which I got back in the late > 60's early 70's and it does have this exact same wiring. Made in > 1954. Set includes: > > 299 Engine > 660 Aluminum > 655 Green > 650 Red > 650 Green > 735 with 766 station > Track and Transformer > > I would say this the one on eBay is an original engine. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:14 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? > > > > From what I've read, the 299 didn't have smoke OR choo-choo. ( I > hate that choo-choo- term!). > And like I mentioned before, I don't think a '54 loco would have the > color wiring as > a early '60s loco .... would it? My '53 282 sure doesn't. > Well, looking at a photo of a '52 282, the wiring looks like the same > type of wiring as the 299 > in the eBay auction. My '53 282 had (I say had cuz the wiring has > been > relpaced) the cloth covered > wiring. > > Rick. > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52197	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/18/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52198	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Flyonel Silver Flash

I converted my Silver Flash Alco PA to TMCC this afternoon, and noticed it had the same part number e-unit board as my NYC PA. The motor's are slightly different, but have the same number of poles, and identical can diameter. After lubricating it turns nice and slow using a lower initial voltage with the Cab-1 and TPC with a PH-1 Lionel power pack. Using my 18B, it was jumpy enough to derail cars if not careful. The biggest issue is no inertia. When closing the throttle on the 18B it stops right now, if you do it too quickly. This slope is adjustable with the Cab-1. MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52199	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: #299 Atlantic??

The one in the Doyle book shows a four wire "hard-wire" harness and not a plug in. Interesting. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52200	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Obama Express

Hugo and Che will be taped to the back of the custom made University of Maryland box car on the D&K RR line as they greet the well wishers along the track. Rumor has it only one baseball player from he D&R RR Team will be at the track along with assorted cows, sheep and cats. Pictures to follow on the 10 o'clock news of this historic event at the D&R RR. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Cornely To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: [toytrains] Obama Express That's a very unique car... and has a long presidential history! Is there something close body design wise made in O scale? Years back, K-Line was on the pulse of the political scene, making the Bush vs Osama & Bush vs Sadam cars, will Lionel continue this? Matt Cornely Main Line Hobbies East Norriton, PA 19401 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52201	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Chat tonite--I'll miss it

I think David will be on the Delta Queen tonight O:)!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Chat tonite--I'll miss it Hi all, Won't be at chat tonite because we'll be at the Sacramento Valley American Flyer club "holiday" meeting in Sacramento. Y'all have a great time, be sure Barb posts about progress on her "Train Mahal" :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52202	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC

> Has anyone converted and AM loco, steam or diesel, to TMCC? > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52203	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC

Roy, Yes I have.. Here is a link to many Locos I have converted to TMCC. http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:21 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC > Has anyone converted and AM loco, steam or diesel, to TMCC? > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52204	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC

Me too! I don't have all my conversions on my web page, but here is the link to what is there: http://www.mwkiner.com/trainindex.htm -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC Roy, Yes I have.. Here is a link to many Locos I have converted to TMCC. http://www.tuveson. <http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm> com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:21 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC > Has anyone converted and AM loco, steam or diesel, to TMCC? > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52205	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC

Carl, do you still have the Cruise Commander in your NYC Alco PA? If so what is the update on performance after a few years of use? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC Roy, Yes I have.. Here is a link to many Locos I have converted to TMCC. http://www.tuveson. <http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm> com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:21 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC > Has anyone converted and AM loco, steam or diesel, to TMCC? > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52206	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC

Mark, Yes and in the 800 and 809 Northern and AM Northern and new Pennsy Baldwin. Just started to do one in my new UP SD-9. They all run great. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark Kiner Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC Carl, do you still have the Cruise Commander in your NYC Alco PA? If so what is the update on performance after a few years of use? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC Roy, Yes I have.. Here is a link to many Locos I have converted to TMCC. http://www.tuveson. <http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm> com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:21 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Converting AM to TMCC > Has anyone converted and AM loco, steam or diesel, to TMCC? > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52207	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

The Greenberg book list both. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben and Lynn Stiles To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:#299 Atlantic?? The one in the Doyle book shows a four wire "hard-wire" harness and not a plug in. Interesting. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52208	From: G C	Date: 1/18/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic wish/drivers

Thanks Tom, No I have not dealt with them. I think Bill Lane mentioned him to me at one time (or at least someone else in England). I did a quick check on Google and it looks like he sold the business to someone else in 2007. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52209	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: FAKES

Sadly, there are many better done and unmarked fakes floating around the S and O gauge collector world, and have been for a long time. With auction outfits like eBay it is much easier to sell them as real. But as always: "Buyer Beware" is the best policy. From time to time people come into the hobby shop with "rare" items to sell, having bought them as the real thing. We have to be the bad guys for telling them they've been had. Greed knows no bounds, be it seller or buyer sometimes. In both cases they wanted something for nothing (or very little.) Stumpy Stone...observer of human nature, amatuer historian...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52210	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Converting AM to TMCC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > Yes I have.. > Here is a link to many Locos I have converted to TMCC. > http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm > > > Carl I have the items to convert 2 AF engines to TMCC. I have never used it, though. Contact me if interested. Dick Kuepper

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52211	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: electronic whistle control box for the 324AC

I got a question I couldn't answer about hooking up the electronic whistle control box for the 324AC.  The K-Line manual refers to black, yellow, and red wires, but there is no red wire.   Here's the response I then got from the guy:   "I took the control box apart to check color of wires inside.  One is definitely yellow and connects to the control knob.  The black wire does the same.  The other wire which I thought looked yellow has a pinkish caste to it if looked at really closely.  It connects to what looks like a 2" long capacitor which then connects to a small transformer for lack of a better description."   Can anyone confirm that the pinkish yellow wire is the "red" wire?  Would it damage the control if he hooked it up wrong? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52212	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: electronic whistle control box for the 324AC

Robert, I just dug my controller out and yes the pinkish wire is the red. Mine has faded to a very light Pink color. The diagram in the K-line book is the same as the Instructions that came with the controller. Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] electronic whistle control box for the 324AC I got a question I couldn't answer about hooking up the electronic whistle control box for the 324AC. The K-Line manual refers to black, yellow, and red wires, but there is no red wire. Here's the response I then got from the guy: "I took the control box apart to check color of wires inside. One is definitely yellow and connects to the control knob. The black wire does the same. The other wire which I thought looked yellow has a pinkish caste to it if looked at really closely. It connects to what looks like a 2" long capacitor which then connects to a small transformer for lack of a better description." Can anyone confirm that the pinkish yellow wire is the "red" wire? Would it damage the control if he hooked it up wrong? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52213	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Sad News

Those of you who attend train shows in Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan will be sad to hear that longtime train dealer Ron Valiton passed away last night. Ron attended many shows with his wife, Sally. Our condolences to Sally and Ron's family.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52214	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: FAKES

Sadly fakes are a part of life in any collectable collecting. You just got to careful in what you buy and from how who you buy from. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:FAKES Sadly, there are many better done and unmarked fakes floating around the S and O gauge collector world, and have been for a long time. With auction outfits like eBay it is much easier to sell them as real. But as always: "Buyer Beware" is the best policy. From time to time people come into the hobby shop with "rare" items to sell, having bought them as the real thing. We have to be the bad guys for telling them they've been had. Greed knows no bounds, be it seller or buyer sometimes. In both cases they wanted something for nothing (or very little.) Stumpy Stone...observer of human nature, amatuer historian...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52215	From: Firewood	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Rail King engines/Industrial Rail .

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Yes, both the engine and tender on the Atlas Atlantic are within about a scale inch of the prototype PRR E6. The rods and valve gear are a bit cheesy, but not as toy like as on the cheaper Flyer Atlantics. The tender is a real beauty and could probably be used for a variety of locomotives for that time period. I'm waiting to get a couple more of these engines when they start showing up at train shows. > > Gene Cimino > Yes, perhaps we'll have to investigate when the broken ones start showing up. I wonder if the 027 Atlas/Industrial Rail P70 passenger cars are 1/64? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52216	From: Firewood	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: FAKES

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Sadly, there are many better done and unmarked fakes floating around the S and O gauge collector world, and have been for a long time. With auction outfits like eBay it is much easier to sell them as real. Sadly, 'tis true. If Ebay has an over-used word, it is "rare". I guess I must be getting older, but the level of knowledge just doesn't seem to be there amongst some "antique" sellers. On said auction site I once saw a Bing tinplate LNER coach (British) with a Hornby tender frame supporting a cobbled-together drive using Meccano gears. On the roof was a bow-type pantograph, maybe home- made, and from the rear sprouted a cable with an obviously modern 2- pin plug on it. Whaddayaknow, it was a "Rare Bing trolley car". I definitely agree that greed on both sides of a deal can breed hi- value fakes, but sometimes I think non-hobbyist buyers and sellers are going on third-hand information from a distant friend who has a friend who's into trains. Recently I saw a Lionel post-war FA2 freight set in a thrift store that was up for a silent auction. It apparently was rare, but it was a real mangled mess, no track, transformer, one working car,and the beat-up loco had been decorated with nail varnish. It was .....gasp!....Lionel, so the bid-book was up at $115..... *sigh*, sometimes there is something stupefying about the words "old train set". Forgive this stream of drivel, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52217	From: Jim King	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: New hobby shop carrying S items

Old Fort Model Trains (web address is http://www.oldfortmodeltrains.com/index.html) now stocks my S scale kits and will order SHS, DPH and AM models for you as well. The owner, Wes Lael, is actively pursuing an S market in the Carolinas so when you're in the area, stop in to say Hi! Better yet, buy something to "support the little guy"! Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52218	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .

Folks, I suggested to the fine folks from ATLAS that they consider regauging the E-6 to "S" AFTER I looked to see IF I could easily/reasonably do it myself. They smiled. I will see them shortly and mention it again, BUT, will enough be sold to make it worth the expense to ATLAS??? Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52219	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Hugo and Che

Hugo and Che are about to be taped to the back of the University of Maryland custom made S scale box car to be arriving tomorrow at the RR station in D&K RR Town. So far only one plasticville sheep has shown up at trackside to watch all the activity. I understand the sheep has only three legs. I think some took for some other reason. The sheep would like to have it back when they done with it. I understand that the leg was dressed up in: 1/2 cup orange juice 1 cup white wine 3 cloves garlic, minced 2 teaspoons of fresh thyme or 1 teaspoon of dried thyme 2 Tbsp of fresh chopped rosemary or 1 Tbsp of dried rosemary 1/4 teaspoon of fresh ground pepper 2 Tbsp olive oil Very exciting the arrival tomorrow of the two leaders of the D&K RR Company Town. Film at 11. Via The Revolution of a new era in D&K RR Town. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52220	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Amherst Railway Society Show, West Springfield, MA

We will be at the Amherst Railway Society show in West Springfield, MA this coming weekend. We will be bringing most of our new S Scale releases of freight cars for the past year and factory painted samples of our upcoming 50' Pullman Standard 5344 flat roof boxcar. According to our Chinese builder they are scheduled to leave China Feb 9th, 2009. I have stated the year, because in times past, we were always tentative about release dates, but seem to have gotten comfortable with that part of the process. This is the first modern injection molded styrene since our release of our FMC single door boxcars last summer. We are located in the Young building in the right rear and will be next to S Helper Service Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 146+8 Lee Street Desd Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52221	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hugo and Che

Hugo will be picking up Che tomorrow at the Frosty Bar. Pictures of this event will follow. Some may not know that Hugo is the Marx figure leader of my RR town and Che is Vice Leader of the town, also a Marx figure as he came into town from CA courtesy of Steve Eastman. Both Hugo and Che did get up to Maine this October to catch the changing of the leaves. They are true leaders in the free world of D&R RR Company town. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Cookie Flannery ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell ; Jeanette Ryba Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hugo and Che Hugo and Che are about to be taped to the back of the University of Maryland custom made S scale box car to be arriving tomorrow at the RR station in D&K RR Town. So far only one plasticville sheep has shown up at trackside to watch all the activity. I understand the sheep has only three legs. I think some took for some other reason. The sheep would like to have it back when they done with it. I understand that the leg was dressed up in: 1/2 cup orange juice 1 cup white wine 3 cloves garlic, minced 2 teaspoons of fresh thyme or 1 teaspoon of dried thyme 2 Tbsp of fresh chopped rosemary or 1 Tbsp of dried rosemary 1/4 teaspoon of fresh ground pepper 2 Tbsp olive oil Very exciting the arrival tomorrow of the two leaders of the D&K RR Company Town. Film at 11. Via The Revolution of a new era in D&K RR Town. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52222	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Sad News

----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl Olszeski . . . . . . . . . longtime train dealer Ron Valiton passed away last night. Ron attended many shows with his wife, Sally. Our condolences to Sally and Ron's family. > > > > > > > > > > > > His tables were just adjacent to mine recently, at last spring's Spree I think. They also organized an annual show at a place called The Lantern in Ft Wayne, IN. They seemed like nice people. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52223	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Sad News

My condolences to the family. Rick. On Jan 19, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Daryl Olszeski wrote: > Those of you who attend train shows in Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and > Michigan will be sad to hear that longtime train dealer Ron Valiton > passed away last night. Ron attended many shows with his wife, Sally. > Our condolences to Sally and Ron's family. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52224	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: electronic whistle control box for the 324AC

Thank you!  I'll pass it on. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electronic whistle control box for the 324AC To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 10:50 AM Robert, I just dug my controller out and yes the pinkish wire is the red. Mine has faded to a very light Pink color. The diagram in the K-line book is the same as the Instructions that came with the controller. Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] electronic whistle control box for the 324AC I got a question I couldn't answer about hooking up the electronic whistle control box for the 324AC. The K-Line manual refers to black, yellow, and red wires, but there is no red wire. Here's the response I then got from the guy: "I took the control box apart to check color of wires inside. One is definitely yellow and connects to the control knob. The black wire does the same. The other wire which I thought looked yellow has a pinkish caste to it if looked at really closely. It connects to what looks like a 2" long capacitor which then connects to a small transformer for lack of a better description. " Can anyone confirm that the pinkish yellow wire is the "red" wire? Would it damage the control if he hooked it up wrong? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52225	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: FAKES

Can't they use " Hard To Fined" Repro would be nice to see too. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Firewood <fahrwud@...> wrote: > From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:FAKES > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 7:44 PM > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" > <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > > Sadly, there are many better done and unmarked fakes > floating > around the S and O gauge collector world, and have been for > a long > time. With auction outfits like eBay it is much easier to > sell them > as real. > > Sadly, 'tis true. If Ebay has an over-used word, it is > "rare". > I guess I must be getting older, but the level of knowledge > just > doesn't seem to be there amongst some > "antique" sellers. > On said auction site I once saw a Bing tinplate LNER coach > (British) > with a Hornby tender frame supporting a cobbled-together > drive using > Meccano gears. On the roof was a bow-type pantograph, maybe > home- > made, and from the rear sprouted a cable with an obviously > modern 2- > pin plug on it. > Whaddayaknow, it was a "Rare Bing trolley car". > I definitely agree that greed on both sides of a deal can > breed hi- > value fakes, but sometimes I think non-hobbyist buyers and > sellers > are going on third-hand information from a distant friend > who has a > friend who's into trains. > Recently I saw a Lionel post-war FA2 freight set in a > thrift store > that was up for a silent auction. It apparently was rare, > but it was > a real mangled mess, no track, transformer, one working > car,and the > beat-up loco had been decorated with nail varnish. > It was .....gasp!....Lionel, so the bid-book was up at > $115..... > *sigh*, sometimes there is something stupefying about the > words "old > train set". > Forgive this stream of drivel, > Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52226	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: A question for Pennsy Passenger fans - decal and paint colors

I have a custom painting job going on right now that I could use some help on. The project is to decorate three full length Pullman cars for Louisville and Nashville in the Pennsy style. There were three of these prototypes, Kentucky River, Barren River, Green River. This link is to a photo of one of these cars _http://rayspics.railfan.net/LNgreenriverBLaws.jpg_ (http://rayspics.railfan.net/LNgreenriverBLaws.jpg) My question is what color the decals should be for the letterboards, car names, and sublettering. I thought it best to ask Pennsy fans because I think the color of the lettering should be the same as what one would use to decorate a Pennsylvania passenger car. Also, can you recommend a specific paint for the Pennsy tuscan? These cars will be decorated using styrene sides from Laser Horizons and applied to American Models full length passenger car bodies. Thanks for any help you can provide. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52227	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: DC Mikado update

Hi All, I have the Mikado back together and running on DC -sans smoke. To my surprise, the marker light LEDs are working. The interesting thing is they are directional. Luckily the direction in which they work is forward. So. is this prototypical? - marker lights only going forward. If not, does anyone have an idea on how to get them bi-directional? Finally took the tender out of the box. There is a backup light there; in reverse, it blinks in time to a clicking noise from the sound card in the tender. Guess I need to pull the sound card and hard wire the light. Wonder if the chuff sound could be found and utilized. Kadee couplers are next. But that is another day. gotta get back to turnouts. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52228	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: RE;re:Fakes

It doesn't seem to require a well made fake to rip folks off, there are a large supply of gullible people with little or no knowledge of what they're doing out there. It's the same in anything "collectable." If you don't know your subject, there's an excellent chance that you're going to be fleeced. Even if you're careful, you can still get hooked sometimes. And how many times have you seen advertising or the word "collectable" on the packaging of a new toy or item? How can it be collectable if it hasn't been sold yet? It has no "track record" of value, but you can bet that if it's being sold as collectable, you'll pay more for it than you should and a fad market will spring up overnight! Only to go bust in a while...after you've bought a bunch of the item for too much money! Beenie Babies, Pet Rocks, or Cabbage Patch Kids ring a bell? And look at those overpriced, cheesy, HO and On30 train sets made up by the various "Mint" companies. All you have to do is put Earnhardt's name or a football team or whatever on it and print "collectable" on it. Since these sets are rarely run, the buyer will never know the trains are the manufacturer's bottom line equipment! Yet they'll pay way more than the item is worth today, and it will be worthless tomorrow! We seem to have become very proficient at breeding morons in this country, there is an ever growing supply to keep the "vultures" in the "collectables industry" going! Stumpy Stone...having learned not to take things at face value...in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52229	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .

That E-6 is not bad considering the AF Atlantic. At $159, it's a bit too pricey to try and kitbash. Unfortunately, Atlas would have to tool up a complete S gauge line, including track (except for the Santa Fe caboose), to get the thing into the mass market. Don Thompson has a good relationship with them, so maybe the track could be taken care of there. But, I suspect they don't want to get into ANOTHER scale, or compete with Don, no matter how much of a stepdown it would be from his stuff. Well, you never know, if they feel that the HO and O scale markets are saturated..... ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Apply now for a credit loan with fast approval. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbupx08eo2MwtH2Oy9iwlTIpUfvjklsh2HCKqxGUJhVnIrc3h/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52230	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: S Links Page

Hi Folks, I've been working on a new links web page to replace the old one at s-scaletrains.com. The catagories are: Rolling Stock Locomotives Brass Sn3/Narrow Gauge Structures Dealers Magazines/Newsletters Clubs/Organizations Layouts S oriented websites American Flyer/AF compatible Please check it out and get in touch if you want to be included. http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/links Roy H. <royhoffman@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52231	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Industrial Rail Passenger Cars .

Looking over their website, Atlas gives the length as 15.75" and height as 3.75". Since 15" is 80' in prototype terems, the length isn't bad! But 3.75" is way over the 14' prototype height, even figuring in the O gauge trucks and wheels. However, I'd like to see one of these babies in my hands before writing them off for use in S. Especially interesting would be to see what their width measures out to be. Nice looking stuff, though. http://www.atlaso.com/IR/irpassengercar.htm <http://www.atlaso.com/IR/irpassengercar.htm> Jerry Poniatowski Sunny but freezing in Wayne, MI > I wonder if the 027 Atlas/Industrial Rail P70 passenger > cars are 1/64? > Dave > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52232	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: KEYSTONE TCA March "SPRING TRAINing" Meet

KEYSTONE DIV TCA will hold their MARCH 7th "SPRING TRAINing" Meet at St Philip's Catholic Church in Millersville, PA. We are planning to once again have "Kid's Activities" including our "Ride-On Train", small train layout and some other goodies. We have 100 tables available to TCA Members ONLY, $12.00 per table, plus $3.00 pre-registration fee. Any TCA member can pre-register at $3.00, BEFORE Feb 25th by mail. ALL table and Pre-registraions should go to INTERIM Meet Registrar: KEYSTONE DIV c/o Jim Lyle @ P O Box 99, GAP, PA 17527-0099. Please send SASE along. An effort is being made to greatly broaden our advertizing area. KEYSTONE VIP's will be allowed into the hall at 0830 (FREE), all other TCA members will be admitted at 0900 for $4.00, General Public $5.00 per family @0930. Jim Lyle INTERIM Meet Rgistrar **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52233	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: A question for Pennsy Passenger fans - decal and paint colors

Earl,   As someone that has spent many hours painting PRR steam and diesel locomotives when nobody was making ones that were correct, I can safely answer your color question.   ===================== <snip> can you recommend a specific paint for the Pennsy  tuscan? These cars will be decorated using styrene sides from Laser Horizons and  applied to American Models full length passenger car bodies.  ===================== The only paint I have ever found that looks correct to my eyes and those that operate with me, is Scalecoat Tuscan Red. Scalecoat II is recommended for plastic. It sprays great and dries glossy smooth, perfect for decal application, then hit it with your overspray coat and it will look great. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52234	From: G C	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .

Steve, I believe the Santa Fe caboose was brought out on the Industrial Rail line before Atlas took it over. Also, in my humble opinion,the current IR freight cars are too large for S. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52235	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: A question for Pennsy Passenger fans - decal and paint colors

Dear Earl, I would think Dulux Imitation Gold. I have my PRR passenger stuff at home, but I believe they did away with gold leaf and went to imitation gold during the light weight era. Don On Jan 20, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I have a custom painting job going on right now that I could use > some help > on. The project is to decorate three full length Pullman cars for > Louisville > and Nashville in the Pennsy style. There were three of these > prototypes, > Kentucky River, Barren River, Green River. This link is to a photo > of one of > these cars > > _http://rayspics.railfan.net/LNgreenriverBLaws.jpg_ > (http://rayspics.railfan.net/LNgreenriverBLaws.jpg) > > My question is what color the decals should be for the letterboards, > car > names, and sublettering. > > I thought it best to ask Pennsy fans because I think the color of the > lettering should be the same as what one would use to decorate a > Pennsylvania > passenger car. Also, can you recommend a specific paint for the > Pennsy tuscan? > > These cars will be decorated using styrene sides from Laser Horizons > and > applied to American Models full length passenger car bodies. > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the > nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52236	From: william cole	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Passenger Cars .

saw them at WGH a couple of weekends ago in Oaks, PA...these are O scale cars....not sure of a prototype...??? � still looking for some more S Scale America "GULF" tank cars... for anyone who would care to part with theirs .... � Bc � [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52237	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: #299 Atlantic??

Would you be willing to sell it?    Is it a smoking steam engine?   Mike Rosz --- On Sun, 1/18/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: #299 Atlantic?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:30 AM Actually, I believe the 299 came both ways. Plug in and hard wired tender. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/17/2009 9:31:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, am-flyr@telus. net writes: Hay rick ...dont look now ...But the guy who bought this as a legit 299 got ripped ....The boiler is right and so is the tender ..somewhat.. tender ..somewhat.. <WBR>..the real 299 had a pl later 4 wire as shown ....so the motor drive and possibly the tender base or the wiring has been changed out ...either way it said nothing about it in the description .... --- In _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) , Rick Evans <bassflyer@. ba> wrote: > > On eBay: _http://cgi.ebay. http://cghttp: //cghttp: //cgihttp: //cgi.e_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/RARE- AMERICAN- FLYER-299- 4-4-2-STEAM-) LOCO-TENDER_ LOCO-TENDER_ <WBRLOCO- TENDER_<WBRLOCO- TENDER_<WLOCO- TENDE hash=item1402941337 ha&_trksid= _trksid=_ tr&_trkparms= _trkparms= <W_trk 7C39%3A1%7C240% 7C39%3 > > I had to check my book on THIS one, sure enough .... there is a #299 ! > I didn't know! > > Rick. > ************ **Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news. aol.com/main/ politics/ inauguration? ncid=emlcntusnew s00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52238	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines

Ac engine with Flyer couplers, sounds good for $100.00 --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Eric R. <northline@...> wrote: From: Eric R. <northline@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 8:06 PM Bob: if this is still available, I'll offer $100 shipped to me USPS 98028 Eric Reis From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:42 PM To: s-trains list; Sgauge Available Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: AM & SHS diesel engines American Models RS3004 Great Northern RS-3 diesel engine. AC engine with hi-rail wheels and couplers. has been run. Asking $100. Make offer. Pictures and more information are on my website: http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/for_ sale.html Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52239	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Sad News

God's blessings on the Family. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> wrote: From: Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Sad News To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 3:08 PM Those of you who attend train shows in Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan will be sad to hear that longtime train dealer Ron Valiton passed away last night. Ron attended many shows with his wife, Sally. Our condolences to Sally and Ron's family. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52240	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .

Gene: I think you may have missed my point. That was that they'd have to tool up an entirely new set of cars to go with that Atlantic. Sadly, the N&W hopper that is a scaled-down copy of Lionel's is just too big for S. BTW, it wouldn't surprise me that the ATSF caboose dies still exist, but Atlas hasn't decided to put it out again--yet. I'm still betting they will, especially if prodded. BTW, if you're interested, the January 2003 Mainline Modeler has plans in S scale for the UP FEF-1 4-8-4's a'la American Flyer. Who knows, you may be able to find a copy at a train show. Hey, do you think you might find your way up here to Allentown for the "Spring Thaw" train meet on Feb 21 & 22? Vendors include the eminent Jim Lyle, poster on the board. All for now Steve ____________________________________________________________ Beauty School Programs - Get the career you've always wanted. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbv7uVsmr9cr7qXWuHDT6rYKqZggXLZWSeOMhm4aLaoJOi3ij/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52241	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Passenger Cars .

Hey Bill, According to the Atlas website, the prototype is the PRR P70 car. Very common, I think, and from the photos I saw, it looks pretty faithful. But since they're O scale ..... Oh well. Thanks for the info. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, william cole <billcwithonec@...> wrote: > > saw them at WGH a couple of weekends ago in Oaks, PA...these are O scale cars....not sure of a prototype...???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52242	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2009
Subject: Allentown Train Meet

Since my buddy Steve mentioned it, I WILL be at the Allentown Train Meet on Feb 21 & 22, with more WARDIE JAY wooden "Tinplate Ties". Some sizes sold out in November, I will take orders "off list" at _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...) . I have "S" gauge matching the size of ties on A/F track, stained black, in real wood, made in Pennsylvania USA. Currently priced at $14.95 per bag, includes PA Sales Tx, pre-order--save shipping, pick up at the show., 9 AM til 4 PM on Saturday, 9 AM til 3 PM on Sunday. I am across the aisle from the Snack Bar in the "NEW" wing. I also have Early Bird tix for both days, $6.00 per, PMO & SASE. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52243	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Another "rare" eBay find

Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been disturbed. _http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884) Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52244	From: G C	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .

Thanks Steve, Perhaps, I did misunderstand your post. Anyway, I'm really happy to have two of the Santa Fe cabooses. They sure are perfect for S. As you know I model mostly railroads in our area. The Santa Fe style was used by a couple other railroads however. Clinchfield had them as well. I don't see a problem with painting and lettering them for my own Great Atlantic RR. Another nice looking caboose is the American Models wood sided one. I got an unlettered one of those as well. It sort of reminds me of the ones NYC had, but not exactly of course. Nice detail on it however. As for the Industrial Rail stuff. When I had first heard about the caboose, I went to Toy Trains Unlimited here in Hanover. Ron the owner didn't have any, but he had a few of the freight cars. I was really disappointed with their larger size. Gale Hall explained the history of the caboose and I picked up a few from folks in this group (Tom Hawley being one). Thanks for the Magazine reference and I will give going to the show some thought. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52245	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .

Would it be possible to mount a Gilbert 4-4-2 chassis under this shell? From the photos, this does not seem to be a finely detailed model where the small parts will break just when you look at it. My only complaint with the Gilbert model is the firebox they used to contain their 1950s technology electric motor. I don't think any of the 4-4-2 users here in Virginia used that type of firebox. If I could get a Gilbert 4-4-2 chassis remotored with can motor, in an Atlas shell I would be happy. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Folks, > > I suggested to the fine folks from ATLAS that they consider regauging the E-6 > to "S" AFTER I looked to see IF I could easily/reasonably do it myself. They > smiled. > I will see them shortly and mention it again, BUT, will enough be sold to > make it worth the expense to ATLAS??? > > Jim Lyle > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol? redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52246	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Pictures Needed: SHS Soo Line & Lehigh Valley SW-1 Switchers

I got the Seaboard, but still need pictures of the Soo Line & Lehigh Valley.     --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Finally: SHS SW-1 Switchers join The Gilbert Gallery To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:55 PM http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/SHS_ SW1_Diesel_ Switchers. html   If you own any of the following, I'd appreciate it if you'd email me some large pictures to use on the site:   #00452 Soo Line #00453 or #00454 Lehigh Valley   I have pictures of all the rest.   Thanks! Recent Activity  3 New Members  5 New PhotosVisit Your Group Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Everyday Wellness on Yahoo! Groups Find groups that will help you stay fit. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52247	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights

the RS3004,  & the #48301  are they still available.?   How is Carol? --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...>, "Sgauge Available" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 2:50 PM #48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008 #48554 Bethlehem Steel Gondola with Coil Covers made in 2008 #48374 Holiday Boxcar made in 2008 #48375 Stock Car with Reindeer made in 2008   Each is C-10 mint condition, never removed from the original box. MSRP $59.99; make offer.   #49046 Animated Santa Caboose made in 2008. C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $84.99; make offer.   #48305 Wabash Boxcar made in 1988. C-9 factory new; taken out of the box for pictures. 2008 Greenberg $28.00; make offer.   Pictures and more information are on my website: http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/for_ sale.html   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52248	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: ATSF - Industrial Rail Caboose

----- Original Message ----- From: G C . . . . . the Santa Fe cabooses. They sure are perfect for S. . . . . . . . . The Santa Fe style was used by a couple other railroads . . . . . . > > > > > > > > Including the Grand Trunk. I understand they bought them 2nd hand from the ATSF and repainted them. http://www.flickr.com/photos/eridony/3191615526/ Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52249	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay find

Well, at least he isn't claiming it is "rare." If anyone bidding thinks it is, it is based on their own knowledge or lack of it. I did note that the pictures of the right side, where the damage and wetness of the box is noted to be are pretty dark and you can't see the details. I am always suspicious of "as-is"/"no return" sales, though. Dale Smith boss31@... wrote: > > Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller > isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been > disturbed. > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_ > <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_> > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884>) > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52250	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights

I have accepted an offer on the RS3004, but it's yours if the deal falls through.   The 48305 is still available.   Carol seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.  She doesn't reply to my messages.  I hope nothing has happened to her.   Bob --- On Wed, 1/21/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:33 AM the RS3004,  & the #48301  are they still available.?   How is Carol? --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Flyonel Christmas cars and other freights To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@YahooGroup s.com>, "Sgauge Available" <AvailableSgauge@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 2:50 PM #48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008 #48554 Bethlehem Steel Gondola with Coil Covers made in 2008 #48374 Holiday Boxcar made in 2008 #48375 Stock Car with Reindeer made in 2008   Each is C-10 mint condition, never removed from the original box. MSRP $59.99; make offer.   #49046 Animated Santa Caboose made in 2008. C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $84.99; make offer.   #48305 Wabash Boxcar made in 1988. C-9 factory new; taken out of the box for pictures. 2008 Greenberg $28.00; make offer.   Pictures and more information are on my website: http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/for_ sale.html   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay find

I contacted the seller about this and here is his reply as you all can take it or forget it. O:)! Mike Hi Mike.I looked at a 263 in 1969 on the west coast,a 263 in Cornwall N.Y.IN 1977,and a A.F.repair man I knew in the early 1960's worked on a die cast 263,with 4 position reverse.This engine came from CT.I have collected A.F.since 1961. - bagel04 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay find Well, at least he isn't claiming it is "rare." If anyone bidding thinks it is, it is based on their own knowledge or lack of it. I did note that the pictures of the right side, where the damage and wetness of the box is noted to be are pretty dark and you can't see the details. I am always suspicious of "as-is"/"no return" sales, though. Dale Smith boss31@... wrote: > > Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller > isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been > disturbed. > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_ > <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_> > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884>) > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52252	From: Jim King	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Smoky Mtn. Model Works web site revision

Thanks to the fantastic efforts of Stan Furmanak, a fellow S scaler, my web site has been updated and expanded. The original web site was designed by John Degnan and was a HUGE improvement over what I could muddle thru (I'm an engineer, not a web designer). John's format and color scheme were retained since they looked great. The industrial section has the most changes. You can now see examples of custom services I provide, all of which can be applied to the model RR world depending on the project. There is now a price list with status indicator in the left-hand column. Note the popular Barber 100-ton trucks with 36" wheels are out of stock. More wheels will be run as back orders are received, so if you want 'em, let me know. As always, any suggestions to improve or change the web site are welcome. Drop me a line via the web site and let's chat. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52253	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay find

BIG Warning.   The lack of PayPal protection / MO Only payment raises a red flag on my part. Be careful if this seller is not a TCA member. You will have no protection if the loco is defective, AS-IS or not.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay find To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 2:10 PM Well, at least he isn't claiming it is "rare." If anyone bidding thinks it is, it is based on their own knowledge or lack of it. I did note that the pictures of the right side, where the damage and wetness of the box is noted to be are pretty dark and you can't see the details. I am always suspicious of "as-is"/"no return" sales, though. Dale Smith boss31@... wrote: > > Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller > isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been > disturbed. > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_ > <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_> > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884>) > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52254	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: EBAY WARNING

Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalotto" Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52255	From: John Sage	Date: 1/21/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Is this a seller id?   John in French Lick --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:00 PM Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalott o" Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Anybody live or work on the north side of Tampa, FL?

Please contact me off list.  Thanks.   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52257	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=zigalotto&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller Here is the feedback file on this person. You decide whether or not to bid or sell anything to this person. This is a terrible flame against someone without further detail, not that I care, but it can really ruin someone's career as a seller or buyer. I understand that Doug has a issue and it did not get solved, but the track record does not show that this person is too be avoided. Things happen I understand that. And if someone wrote avoid Doug, I would be just as upset, as I have purchase allot from Doug in the past. I guess now I am on Doug's dog list maybe for writing about this. Doug, I hope you understand what I am trying to point out. I am just trying to be fair to someone that I do not know nor see a problem overall. I hope your issue with him gets taken care of. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalotto" Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52258	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Tinplate Ties Clarification

Several people have asked the rather obvious (OOOPS) question of the "quantity" of ties in the bag. REAL WOOD, made in the USA, 100 per bag in "S" for 14.95. Also have 0-27 @ $14.95 per hundred, "O" at $15.95 per hundred and Standard @ 8.50 for 50. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52259	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

It is, but there should be no space....sorry. It is "zigalotto". Very brief explanation....Failure to deliver on an EBAY purchase. It's been over 2 months, and I've had back-&-forth communications with him, with no results except empty promises. Still no delivery, and no refund. Paypal is no help, and so far, neither is EBAY. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Sage <majordadsage@...> wrote: > > Is this a seller id? >   > John in French Lick > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > > > From: Doug Peck <doug@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:00 PM > > > > > > > Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalott o" > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52260	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Did U see my blurb on the 263? In a message dated 01/21/2009 8:12:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, doug@... writes: Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalottPu Doug **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52261	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: 263 Engine

The seller on ebay of the 263 engine did nothing wrong. He has a engine whether he put 263 on it or not and put it on ebay for sale. He had perfect pictures of the piece, showing where the 263 was on the engine and a close up. He had a complete description of the piece, including something about a broken step. He never said anything about it being rare, never seen before, etc. nothing. He just described the engine and tender as seen on the pictures. It is the people who bided for it, that where foolish to bid it up to 610 without checking it out more. It looks like two people where bidding against each other. I hope they bid for my 21132 Hudson someday, as I will only saw great pictures and gave a great description. Just kidding, but the point is he did nothing wrong here. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52262	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

His good feedback record, and his early correspondence with me that included promises and excuses, are exactly why I didn't file a Dispute with EBAY and with PAYPAL earlier.......my mistake. Because after 45 days from date of purchase, they will not accept Disputes. And now that 45 days has passed, he doesn't even respond to me anymore. Moreover, it is also too late to post any Feedback on this transaction. Makes me think all the early "good intentions" were part of a set-up to get past the 45 day deadline and eliminate all recourse. So it looks like a nearly $100 loss......not a big deal, but...... If things change and he makes good with either the item or a refund, I will certainly post that information. For now, my opinion stands. There have been many previous posts on this List with warnings or cautions, including at least one from you, Mike. I've never had reason to participate in those in the past........this is my first bad EBAY experience......ever, so I felt it was worth a word of caution rather than allow friends on this list to risk a similar experience. Enough said. << Here is the feedback file on this person. You decide whether or not to bid or sell anything to this person. This is a terrible flame against someone without further detail, not that I care, but it can really ruin someone's career as a seller or buyer.>> Doug Peck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52263	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Gilbert Auction

This sounds like a great auction......take lots of money :) February 6th and 7th , 2009 Cataloged Trains West Middlesex, PA: The Saturday February 7th sale will offer a very large selection of S gauge American Flyer featuring the furniture and personal contents from A. C. Gilberts office, founder and president of the A. C. Gilbert Company. Charles E. Stuart knew A. C. Gilbert and was assigned the responsibility of liquidating the A.C. Gilbert Company from 1967-1968. While selling off the assets of the company, Mr. Stuart was able to purchase the contents from A. C. Gilberts office. Some of the items highlighted are; train and erector oil painting from 1913, antique William and Mary chairs, marble top side table, 17th Century English wooden chest, English oak desk, A. C. Gilberts personal collection of magic books, original drawings, posters, and photographs. This memorabilia from A. C. Gilbert was in the possession of Charles and Constance Stuart from 1967 to present. The Friday, February 6th session will be made up of a large selection of trains, accessories and parts from various estates and private collections. This sale will feature a wide range of modern era, postwar and prewar trains from many manufacturers including; Lionel, American Flyer, MTH Rail King, K-Line, Williams and Marx. For more information about this auction please call 724-528-1500 or e-mail: gary@.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52264	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Steve and Doug. Bagel who sold the engine did nothing wrong. He did not make any claims about it, the bidders saw it, read the description and two bided it up to 610. I can see bided on the engine for a runner based on it being a 20004 or 20005 being repainted for the value of the engine without the number of being rare, but all he did was place a engine on ebay with great pictures and a description of the engine and he got 610. Doug, I am sorry to read this due to the person feedback. NOW I can understand your issue with him. If you paid by check I am very sorry as there is not much that can be done. This is why I use credit card on all purchases. Then you can dispute the charge. I really surprise to hear about the problem due to his track record. I am very sorry that this happen to you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Did U see my blurb on the 263? In a message dated 01/21/2009 8:12:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, doug@... writes: Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalottPu Doug **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52265	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

We're confusing two issues here. My posting has NOTHING to do with the 263 issue. Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Steve and Doug. > > Bagel who sold the engine did nothing wrong. > > He did not make any claims about it, the bidders saw it, read the description and two bided it up to 610. > > I can see bided on the engine for a runner based on it being a 20004 or 20005 being repainted for the value of the engine without the number of being rare, but all he did was place a engine on ebay with great pictures and a description of the engine and he got 610. > > Doug, I am sorry to read this due to the person feedback. NOW I can understand your issue with him.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52266	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: [AmericanFlyerTrains] A/F-Gilbert HO Display

TCA's own John Luppino, Ops Mgr, sent me the better link to true enlightenment, toy trainwise. This goes straight to membership information, LOADS of other goodies too. _http://www.tcamembers.org/membership/join.htm_ (http://www.tcamembers.org/membership/join.htm) . Jim "your humble museum cleaner" Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52267	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Mr. Peck, and listers: Frankly, I am not surprised that PayPal (a legalized scam if there ever was one) and Ebay have been of little or no assistance. Their first allegiance - past that of lining their own pockets - is to the SELLER. When in doubt, follow the money trail - it is the seller who pays them. I LOVED Ebay in the early days - it was almost like family - then they lawyered up, and things went downhill in a hurry. I seldom even browse there anymore. The required use of PayPal - which has stolen (there is no other word for it) from both me and my wife - will kill even the occasional look. Buyers of big-ticket items might take a leaf from the construction industry, where it is routine to file a "pre-lien notice", and send, at time of payment, a message saying that in case of any problems a formal complaint would follow. If all went well, the issue would simply die. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52268	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Doug, I know as I thought I would use one email on two topics. My error. And yes, I had TWO bad experiences from sellers on ebay, but in my initial emails about the seller, I posted the reason. That is why I defended the seller at first, since you did not state why you had a beef with the seller. One issue for me was a 650 dollar 21130 with glued steps that he did not tell about and the other was a 80 pipe with orange pipes that the seller did not say where repros. I have no problems with someone having a beef with someone on ebay no matter the track record, but in the future when some one writes that the seller is no good and nothing else that was not right. So now that you explained it more, yes, this seller is not as good as his track record is, as there is something wrong here on the seller side of the transaction. I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your 100 dollars, probably never to be seen again. Thanks for the tip now on this seller. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: EBAY WARNING We're confusing two issues here. My posting has NOTHING to do with the 263 issue. Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Steve and Doug. > > Bagel who sold the engine did nothing wrong. > > He did not make any claims about it, the bidders saw it, read the description and two bided it up to 610. > > I can see bided on the engine for a runner based on it being a 20004 or 20005 being repainted for the value of the engine without the number of being rare, but all he did was place a engine on ebay with great pictures and a description of the engine and he got 610. > > Doug, I am sorry to read this due to the person feedback. NOW I can understand your issue with him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: A/F & Gilbert at NTTM

Ladies and Gentlemen, The NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM will have a "window box" display of A/F-Gilbert HO this year under the newly rebuilding HO layout. We have had an HO Hudson Passenger set on the display wall for years, the only "true" A/F representation (we have the LIONEL/FLYER '76 set also) on that wall, along with VARNEY, LIONEL, MARX and many others. It is my hope to have possibly the least available set, the HO American Flyer "FRONTIERSMAN" on display also. Negotiating with the owner now. The NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM ( NTTM ) near STRASBURG, PA is owned by the TRAIN COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION (TCA) and the museum displays are designed and maintained by a small, dedicated group of VOLUNTEERS. TCA membership is available, BTW, check _www.TRAINCOLLECTORS.org_ (http://www.traincollectors.org/) Our "S" gauge layout ( 10' X 16' ) features a "Back Wall" displaying Ameican Flyer sets available from 1946 thru 1966, PLUS several window boxes that are changed annually. Most of the American Flyer on display is owned by TCA member-friends of the museum. NTTM re-opens on weekends on April 4th, 2009, Admission is charged. Jim Lyle, E & M Committee NTTM **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52270	From: Rosie	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Any rating below 98% is a concern. There are sellers who will reject bids from buyers below that number.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=zigalotto&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller Here is the feedback file on this person. You decide whether or not to bid or sell anything to this person. This is a terrible flame against someone without further detail, not that I care, but it can really ruin someone's career as a seller or buyer. I understand that Doug has a issue and it did not get solved, but the track record does not show that this person is too be avoided. Things happen I understand that. And if someone wrote avoid Doug, I would be just as upset, as I have purchase allot from Doug in the past. I guess now I am on Doug's dog list maybe for writing about this. Doug, I hope you understand what I am trying to point out. I am just trying to be fair to someone that I do not know nor see a problem overall. I hope your issue with him gets taken care of. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalotto" Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52271	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Required use of Pay Pal? I just ordered something on eBay and instead of using PP I called in my plastic #. Pay Pal is safer though, because the seller does not have access to your CC/D card #. Of course SOMEBODY at PP has access to your account #, but if something goes screwy, you know exactly where to look. I guess I don¹t quite catch your meaning of the term ³scam² in this context...? I am curious as to how PP has stolen from both you and your wife. Roy Inman on 1/22/09 10:02 AM, Richard Hosmer at rahosmer@... wrote: > > > > Mr. Peck, and listers: > > Frankly, I am not surprised that PayPal (a legalized scam if there ever was > one) and Ebay have been of little or no assistance. Their first allegiance - > past that of lining their own pockets - is to the SELLER. When in doubt, > follow the money trail - it is the seller who pays them. > > I LOVED Ebay in the early days - it was almost like family - then they > lawyered up, and things went downhill in a hurry. I seldom even browse there > anymore. The required use of PayPal - which has stolen (there is no other > word for it) from both me and my wife - will kill even the occasional look. > > Buyers of big-ticket items might take a leaf from the construction industry, > where it is routine to file a "pre-lien notice", and send, at time of > payment, a message saying that in case of any problems a formal complaint > would follow. If all went well, the issue would simply die. > > Dick Hosmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52272	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Dick, The construction industry files a pre lien notice because the law provides a lien right against the property on which the work was performed or to which materials were furnished. Doing that in a simple commercial transaction does not give you a right to proceed against them based on any lien. Technically you might have an action against them for breach of contract, but practicalities get in the way, namely whether the amount at stake is sufficient to warrant legal action. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug, One thing you might consider is a letter to his local District Attorney. Whether legal action will be taken for $100 is problematic, but it might get a phone call to him. At least it is worth a try if all else seems to have failed. Dale Smith Richard Hosmer wrote: > > > Buyers of big-ticket items might take a leaf from the construction > industry, > where it is routine to file a "pre-lien notice", and send, at time of > payment, a message saying that in case of any problems a formal complaint > would follow. If all went well, the issue would simply die. > > Dick Hosmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52273	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Dale, Darn! - but, thanks for the clarification - I see the difference. The only resort then is, no more Mr. Nice Guy; file a complaint the instant something begins to look hinky. Roy, With me, they just told me I had no money in my account when I actually did. The amount was very small - I just found their attitude unacceptable. With my wife, the seller complained that she had not paid - which was untrue - so, Ebay just subtracted the money from her PP account, even though it was NOT a PP transaction - with NO notice, or attempt to resolve any alleged "problem". The item later arrived with undisclosed flaws. In general, I simply no longer like Ebay's business practices, particularly in the areas of feedback (one's hands are REALLY tied, compared to how the system used to be) or payment. PP only, if not here yet, is said to be coming. If PP is so great, how come so many people want NOTHING to do with it? I have NO intent of starting yet another PP thread - if you like Ebay/PP, be my guest. I have chosen not to participate. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52274	From: t larson	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: close

For all of you who bemoan the bounty of 2 door cars, but no 4 doors; sedans, but no wagons....... CLOSE http://www.maisto.com/products_detail.asp?prod=3026&from=139&FMT=PR&URL=/products_list.asp&sText=chev&id=&pg=15 It is slightly undersize, needs better wheels and tires, needs a repaint, but it might be close enough for some of you. -- Ted Larson http://www.thistothat.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52275	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Doug, This is why I always use a CC to pay for an item thru PayPal...You can always up to a point do a Chargeback. Mike In a message dated 1/22/2009 8:20:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Doug, I know as I thought I would use one email on two topics. My error. And yes, I had TWO bad experiences from sellers on ebay, but in my initial emails about the seller, I posted the reason. That is why I defended the seller at first, since you did not state why you had a beef with the seller. One issue for me was a 650 dollar 21130 with glued steps that he did not tell about and the other was a 80 pipe with orange pipes that the seller did not say where repros. I have no problems with someone having a beef with someone on ebay no matter the track record, but in the future when some one writes that the seller is no good and nothing else that was not right. So now that you explained it more, yes, this seller is not as good as his track record is, as there is something wrong here on the seller side of the transaction. I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your 100 dollars, probably never to be seen again. Thanks for the tip now on this seller. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: EBAY WARNING We're confusing two issues here. My posting has NOTHING to do with the 263 issue. Doug --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@..m> wrote: > > Steve and Doug. > > Bagel who sold the engine did nothing wrong. > > He did not make any claims about it, the bidders saw it, read the description and two bided it up to 610. > > I can see bided on the engine for a runner based on it being a 20004 or 20005 being repainted for the value of the engine without the number of being rare, but all he did was place a engine on ebay with great pictures and a description of the engine and he got 610. > > Doug, I am sorry to read this due to the person feedback. NOW I can understand your issue with him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52276	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Thanks I will keep that in mind, but I think we should take a look at why this person got a negative. One terrible example is a AF seller in NJ, a TCA member, a friend and a great seller of AF on Ebay, as he has great pictures and descriptions. He got a negative from someone who did not fully read the shipping procedures as he clearly stated the following: "NOTE...I ONLY USE UPS FOR SHIPPING. IF THIS PRESENTS A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE, PLEASE DO NOT BID. No PO boxes please." I took the above from his current auction. Well someone won something and wanted it sent to a PO Box. So he got a negative. It looks like this was removed, the negative, as I do not see it anymore. He is Mikethegeek. So sometimes someone gets a negative from a nutty buyer too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosie To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Any rating below 98% is a concern. There are sellers who will reject bids from buyers below that number.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=zigalotto&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller Here is the feedback file on this person. You decide whether or not to bid or sell anything to this person. This is a terrible flame against someone without further detail, not that I care, but it can really ruin someone's career as a seller or buyer. I understand that Doug has a issue and it did not get solved, but the track record does not show that this person is too be avoided. Things happen I understand that. And if someone wrote avoid Doug, I would be just as upset, as I have purchase allot from Doug in the past. I guess now I am on Doug's dog list maybe for writing about this. Doug, I hope you understand what I am trying to point out. I am just trying to be fair to someone that I do not know nor see a problem overall. I hope your issue with him gets taken care of. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalotto" Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52277	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

OK, Did Gilbert make a 263? Did they make one in HO? I have seen the same engine in HO with an array of #'s. Mike S In a message dated 1/21/2009 3:58:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I contacted the seller about this and here is his reply as you all can take it or forget it. O:)! Mike Hi Mike.I looked at a 263 in 1969 on the west coast,a 263 in Cornwall N.Y.IN 1977,and a A.F.repair man I knew in the early 1960's worked on a die cast 263,with 4 position reverse.This engine came from CT.I have collected A.F.since 1961. - bagel04 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay find Well, at least he isn't claiming it is "rare." If anyone bidding thinks it is, it is based on their own knowledge or lack of it. I did note that the pictures of the right side, where the damage and wetness of the box is noted to be are pretty dark and you can't see the details. I am always suspicious of "as-is"/"no return" sales, though. Dale Smith _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote: > > Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller > isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been > disturbed. > > __http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebayhttp://cgi.ebay.http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_) > <_http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebayhttp://cgi.ebay.http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884_) > > > (_http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebayhttp://cgi.ebay.http:_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884) > <_http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebayhttp://cgi.ebay.http:_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-263-0-6-0-Switcher_W0QQitemZ120365589884) >) > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52278	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

That is what I said before, credit card. And credit card companies listen, as I have done complaints before, not on ebay. I have one right now for a computer fix service that did not do the job. I expect to win. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: EBAY WARNING Doug, This is why I always use a CC to pay for an item thru PayPal...You can always up to a point do a Chargeback. Mike In a message dated 1/22/2009 8:20:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Doug, I know as I thought I would use one email on two topics. My error. And yes, I had TWO bad experiences from sellers on ebay, but in my initial emails about the seller, I posted the reason. That is why I defended the seller at first, since you did not state why you had a beef with the seller. One issue for me was a 650 dollar 21130 with glued steps that he did not tell about and the other was a 80 pipe with orange pipes that the seller did not say where repros. I have no problems with someone having a beef with someone on ebay no matter the track record, but in the future when some one writes that the seller is no good and nothing else that was not right. So now that you explained it more, yes, this seller is not as good as his track record is, as there is something wrong here on the seller side of the transaction. I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your 100 dollars, probably never to be seen again. Thanks for the tip now on this seller. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: EBAY WARNING We're confusing two issues here. My posting has NOTHING to do with the 263 issue. Doug --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@..m> wrote: > > Steve and Doug. > > Bagel who sold the engine did nothing wrong. > > He did not make any claims about it, the bidders saw it, read the description and two bided it up to 610. > > I can see bided on the engine for a runner based on it being a 20004 or 20005 being repainted for the value of the engine without the number of being rare, but all he did was place a engine on ebay with great pictures and a description of the engine and he got 610. > > Doug, I am sorry to read this due to the person feedback. NOW I can understand your issue with him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52279	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

When I lived in Southern California, I met the family of a Flyer collector who had a 263. They told me he had heard of it and drove all night to Arizona to buy it. I remembe seeing it and it had what appeared to be factory numbering under the cab and was thought to be a toy fair example with the actual production getting the 5 digit numbers. That is the only one I have direct experience with. The recent ebay example looks to have had the cab number applied with rub on letters as they do not quite line up.   Bill Drake St. Louis was 65 degrees today - go figure. --- On Thu, 1/22/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:14 PM OK, Did Gilbert make a 263? Did they make one in HO? I have seen the same engine in HO with an array of #'s. Mike S In a message dated 1/21/2009 3:58:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: I contacted the seller about this and here is his reply as you all can take it or forget it. O:)! Mike Hi Mike.I looked at a 263 in 1969 on the west coast,a 263 in Cornwall N.Y.IN 1977,and a A.F.repair man I knew in the early 1960's worked on a die cast 263,with 4 position reverse.This engine came from CT.I have collected A.F.since 1961. - bagel04 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay find Well, at least he isn't claiming it is "rare." If anyone bidding thinks it is, it is based on their own knowledge or lack of it. I did note that the pictures of the right side, where the damage and wetness of the box is noted to be are pretty dark and you can't see the details. I am always suspicious of "as-is"/"no return" sales, though. Dale Smith _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote: > > Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller > isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been > disturbed. > > __http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884_) > <_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884_) > > > (_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884) > <_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884) >) > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52280	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

Did Gilbert use their practice of putting date stamps in the boiler at this stage? If so then a later date will indicate fraud. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? When I lived in Southern California, I met the family of a Flyer collector who had a 263. They told me he had heard of it and drove all night to Arizona to buy it. I remembe seeing it and it had what appeared to be factory numbering under the cab and was thought to be a toy fair example with the actual production getting the 5 digit numbers. That is the only one I have direct experience with. The recent ebay example looks to have had the cab number applied with rub on letters as they do not quite line up. Bill Drake St. Louis was 65 degrees today - go figure. --- On Thu, 1/22/09, anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com <anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com> wrote: From: anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com <anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:14 PM OK, Did Gilbert make a 263? Did they make one in HO? I have seen the same engine in HO with an array of #'s. Mike S In a message dated 1/21/2009 3:58:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: I contacted the seller about this and here is his reply as you all can take it or forget it. O:)! Mike Hi Mike.I looked at a 263 in 1969 on the west coast,a 263 in Cornwall N.Y.IN 1977,and a A.F.repair man I knew in the early 1960's worked on a die cast 263,with 4 position reverse.This engine came from CT.I have collected A.F.since 1961. - bagel04 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay find Well, at least he isn't claiming it is "rare." If anyone bidding thinks it is, it is based on their own knowledge or lack of it. I did note that the pictures of the right side, where the damage and wetness of the box is noted to be are pretty dark and you can't see the details. I am always suspicious of "as-is"/"no return" sales, though. Dale Smith _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> ) wrote: > > Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller > isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been > disturbed. > > __http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884_) > <_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884_) > > > (_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884) > <_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884) >) > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52281	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/22/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

anormal1@... wrote: > > OK, Did Gilbert make a 263? Did they make one in HO? I have seen the same > engine in HO with an array of #'s. Mike S > > > Here is what I have been able to deduce from the sources available. > > Joe Deger's American Flyer Guide says , "No 263's are known to > exist." He does note one "mock-up" was numbered 263 and is in the > collection of the late Harry Gordon, but that it is non operational > and mounted on a display board. > > David Doyle, in his guide, says, "The catalog of that year (1957) > illustrated this locomotive with the number '263,' but it was not > produced in that form." > > Bob Bubeck simply lists it with a rarity of 5, no price, and an > asterisk indicating a less than normal sample. Since Bob is on this > list, maybe he can add to this. > > The best explanation I have found is in the Heimburger book, "A.C. > Gilbert's Heritage, which states, > > "A new type of steam locomotive was introduced in 1957. It was > the Pennsylvania 0-6-0 switcher with slope-back tender. > The catalog showed this as a 263, but listed it as a 21005. In fact > it was produced as 21004 the first year, although some very early > locomotives were actually made as number 263. It is odd that the > hand-made sample of the 0-6-0 carries the number 21004" (Just the > opposite of what Deger said) (Also, I checked the 21005 description > in the catalog for that year on myflyertrains.org and that is true.) > > My guess would probably be that there may be some around. Maybe > bagel04's is one of them. Then again it could have been relettered. > > I said earlier that he wasn't claiming the item to be rare, and that > would be true if he obtained the model with the 263 on it. It would > be a different story if he had changed the number, knowing potential > buyers would identify it as a very rare locomotive, and then fail to > mention that fact in the listing. Sometimes you can also lie by what > you don't say. He has the box, so it would be interesting to know > what number is printed on the box. I understand that 21004's have > been found in 263 boxes, but I don't think it goes the other way > around. I am still a little suspicious on this one based on the no > return and as-is sale terms. > > Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52282	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

Yes they did and that is a good point. I've seen date stamps in the boilers all the way up to 1958. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? Did Gilbert use their practice of putting date stamps in the boiler at this stage? If so then a later date will indicate fraud. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? When I lived in Southern California, I met the family of a Flyer collector who had a 263. They told me he had heard of it and drove all night to Arizona to buy it. I remembe seeing it and it had what appeared to be factory numbering under the cab and was thought to be a toy fair example with the actual production getting the 5 digit numbers. That is the only one I have direct experience with. The recent ebay example looks to have had the cab number applied with rub on letters as they do not quite line up. Bill Drake St. Louis was 65 degrees today - go figure. --- On Thu, 1/22/09, anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com <anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com> wrote: From: anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com <anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:14 PM OK, Did Gilbert make a 263? Did they make one in HO? I have seen the same engine in HO with an array of #'s. Mike S In a message dated 1/21/2009 3:58:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: I contacted the seller about this and here is his reply as you all can take it or forget it. O:)! Mike Hi Mike.I looked at a 263 in 1969 on the west coast,a 263 in Cornwall N.Y.IN 1977,and a A.F.repair man I knew in the early 1960's worked on a die cast 263,with 4 position reverse.This engine came from CT.I have collected A.F.since 1961. - bagel04 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay find Well, at least he isn't claiming it is "rare." If anyone bidding thinks it is, it is based on their own knowledge or lack of it. I did note that the pictures of the right side, where the damage and wetness of the box is noted to be are pretty dark and you can't see the details. I am always suspicious of "as-is"/"no return" sales, though. Dale Smith _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> ) wrote: > > Here's another one that is so rare it was never made. I hope the seller > isn't a list member. One can see the paint behind the number has been > disturbed. > > __http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884_) > <_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:/_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884_) > > > (_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884) > <_http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgihttp:/ /cgi.ebayhttp: //cgi.ebay. http:_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-263- 0-6-0-Switcher_ W0QQitemZ1203655 89884) >) > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52283	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

NO! In a message dated 01/22/2009 6:51:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@... writes: OK, Did Gilbert make a 263? Did they make one in HO? I have seen the same engine in HO with an array of #'s. Mike S **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52284	From: Rosie	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Well, having met and dealt with Mr. Peck for a number of years, his words, for me, carry sufficient weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Thanks I will keep that in mind, but I think we should take a look at why this person got a negative. One terrible example is a AF seller in NJ, a TCA member, a friend and a great seller of AF on Ebay, as he has great pictures and descriptions. He got a negative from someone who did not fully read the shipping procedures as he clearly stated the following: "NOTE...I ONLY USE UPS FOR SHIPPING. IF THIS PRESENTS A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE, PLEASE DO NOT BID. No PO boxes please." I took the above from his current auction. Well someone won something and wanted it sent to a PO Box. So he got a negative. It looks like this was removed, the negative, as I do not see it anymore. He is Mikethegeek. So sometimes someone gets a negative from a nutty buyer too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosie To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Any rating below 98% is a concern. There are sellers who will reject bids from buyers below that number.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=zigalotto&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller Here is the feedback file on this person. You decide whether or not to bid or sell anything to this person. This is a terrible flame against someone without further detail, not that I care, but it can really ruin someone's career as a seller or buyer. I understand that Doug has a issue and it did not get solved, but the track record does not show that this person is too be avoided. Things happen I understand that. And if someone wrote avoid Doug, I would be just as upset, as I have purchase allot from Doug in the past. I guess now I am on Doug's dog list maybe for writing about this. Doug, I hope you understand what I am trying to point out. I am just trying to be fair to someone that I do not know nor see a problem overall. I hope your issue with him gets taken care of. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalotto" Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52285	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

Hi, I will be willing to still make a 21131 and sell it for the big bucks. I have a 21130 that is converted to DCC. It had no value, persay, since all the steps where gone and it had silver paint trim everywhere. I touch up the paint with Kylon. I told Doug Peck about it and he had no idea it was touch up! So that paint matches real good. I will not say rare in my description as it might be the only 21130 DCC out there, so in a sense it is rare. By the way, this engine has been a black sheep to me, as I brought it for 150 for the drive wheels as I thought I had a problem with a 21130 I purchase. Bob Tufts fix that engine for me. Then I spent 50 on repairs to the smoke and reverse. then reverse unti acted up again, as Doug told these where bad units, so I had a electronic one instead, about 125. then i learned it would not work on dcc. so I had it converted over to dcc for about 225(?) then I had more problems as I had to have the dcc redone, as some how it burnt out. so another 50. So maybe I should just drop it from the Chesapeake Bay bridge and put it out of its misery and my misery of my wallet. LOL No, I love this engines as it has become a cash cow. LOL Just kidding. again, Doug, I am very sorry to hear about your situation with that ebay person. Mike Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52286	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

Then, how do you explain a 263 listing in both Greenburg's and Doyle? Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: boss31@...: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:02:42 -0500Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? NO!In a message dated 01/22/2009 6:51:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@... writes:OK, Did Gilbert make a 263? Did they make one in HO? I have seen the same engine in HO with an array of #'s. Mike S**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Hotmail�:�more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52287	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Mike The Geek

It's always been a pleasure to buy even just exchange emails with him. If I'm recalling correctly icthyology is one his very serious interests. And of course, I'm a Doug groupie. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52288	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: EBAY WARNING

Hi For what it is worth I have had business dealings with Doug Peck for many years and I have never had any problems with him and his work is good enough for me. I won't deal with this person and I do purchase many items on e bay Thanks Stanley ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: EBAY WARNING It is, but there should be no space....sorry. It is "zigalotto". Very brief explanation....Failure to deliver on an EBAY purchase. It's been over 2 months, and I've had back-&-forth communications with him, with no results except empty promises. Still no delivery, and no refund. Paypal is no help, and so far, neither is EBAY. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Sage <majordadsage@...> wrote: > > Is this a seller id? > > John in French Lick > > --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > > > From: Doug Peck <doug@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY WARNING > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:00 PM > > > > > > > Put this one on your DO NOT TOUCH list.......Bad News......"zigalott o" > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52289	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Trying to locate

Does anyone have a cuurent phone number for Violin Hazekamp??? maker of many repro Flyer parts?? Number in TCA directory not valid. Thanks in advance, Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52290	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Mike The Geek

Yes he loves ick. LOL I wonder how many know what ick is. Mike was the first person that I bid for a item on ebay as he had a mint in box Rio Grande walking brake man car, 25049, the rarer one. I asked him the sillies of question as I said these are silly questions and he replied there are no silly questions. I bid for the car a buy it now and was very pleased. I have purchase many more AF items from him. And yes, I have done private emails with him, as it turns out he owns a tropical fish store and I had tropical fish for 30 years as the trains replaced the fish. I had tanks, many, as I was a breeder Angel Fish which is the neatest thing to see. Not to turn this into fish talk, but the mother lays the eggs on a flat surface as the male does his thing over the eggs, x rated now, then they take turns fanning the eggs to get O2 to them. The eggs hatch in 3 days, as they look like long string and a pinhead when hatched. Then the babies released themselves from the string, as they finish any food from the egg and attached themselves to the mother. Mike also has a breed of Discus Fish, a member of the Angel Family that he discovered in a batch of Discus that came into the shop. The name, scientific, uses his last name. I have a running joke with Don Thompson that building a train layout is like having tropical fish as if anyone had tropical fish you know how it can "nickel and dime" you . LOL Boy, have I learn this with the trains, as I have really drove Doug Peck nuts with orders adding more and then returning things as I over ordered. Don and Doug are some of the best in our hobby. Also I would like to throw a hat out to Paul of TDP, Inc as he builds the circuit boards and sensors for the NJI RR crossing signals. I have had a ton of problems getting these things to work, as the instructions are a bit confusing and I have fluorescent light. I burnt two 75 dollar board up and he fixed them for free. I then had more problem getting the signals to work, as he thought it might be the lighting so he sent two new string of custom made sensors at no charge for me to try. It turns out that the lighting is okay without them as I got one board to work but not the two others I have. So I sent them all back to him, with the sensors so he can check them out and attach and set the boards the way they are suppose to be. Well two boards where burnt again. He fixed at no charge and attached the sensors and set the boards, so all I have to do is re attach the boards to the table under side and attached the signals and wires to the power line to the tracks. I think I have taken all his profit away and more. So many of you may not know Paul Ziembicki, but he was so patience with me, as I have a few emails to him, that I basically was throwing in the towel on this, as I have about 400 invested in these signals. I will work on them this week and I am sure they will be fine. Sorry for the long email. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Shifrin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Mike The Geek It's always been a pleasure to buy even just exchange emails with him. If I'm recalling correctly icthyology is one his very serious interests. And of course, I'm a Doug groupie. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52291	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

If you look after the listing it says "NEVER MADE" Steve SnS In a message dated 01/23/2009 6:13:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mo2337@... writes: Then, how do you explain a 263 listing in both Greenburg's and Doyle? Larry Moore **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52292	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" eBay THE 263?????

According to Bagel the seller on ebay he was at LEAST 2 of them. LOL Steve did the DCC conversion on the 21130 I have as it went to him via Doug Peck. Then he fixed it when someone it shorted out. I think I will use some black and white paint to make it a 21134 engine. Hey maybe some people on ebay will bid it to a 1000, so I can recoup all I spent on this thing. LOL No, it is a keeper now, as it smokes great! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" eBay THE 263????? If you look after the listing it says "NEVER MADE" Steve SnS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52293	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Rick Evans Day!!

I believe this is the birthdate of Mr. Rick Evans. So wish him a happy birthday!!!!!! Rick you are still older than me by 26 days!! 1955 what a year! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52294	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Rick Evans Day!!

THanks Mike!! Just got in from a little birthday breakfast out. Tonight I'm going to "Big Bubba's BBQ" for my FREE birthday dinner! Rainy here today, good day to stay inside and run a train!! Rick. On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I believe this is the birthdate of Mr. Rick Evans. > > So wish him a happy birthday!!!!!! > > Rick you are still older than me by 26 days!! > > 1955 what a year! > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rick Evans Day!!

Rick, happy Birthday, as I knew this several years and I meant to spill the beans before. And yes, you got to take advantage of the free meals on this day. While you still can!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Rick Evans Day!! THanks Mike!! Just got in from a little birthday breakfast out. Tonight I'm going to "Big Bubba's BBQ" for my FREE birthday dinner! Rainy here today, good day to stay inside and run a train!! Rick. On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I believe this is the birthdate of Mr. Rick Evans. > > So wish him a happy birthday!!!!!! > > Rick you are still older than me by 26 days!! > > 1955 what a year! > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52296	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Mike The Geek

Mike, I used to breed fancy guppies back in the 70's. I know what ick is, and I bet most tropical fish breeders wish they didn't. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mike The Geek Yes he loves ick. LOL I wonder how many know what ick is. Mike was the first person that I bid for a item on ebay as he had a mint in box Rio Grande walking brake man car, 25049, the rarer one. I asked him the sillies of question as I said these are silly questions and he replied there are no silly questions. I bid for the car a buy it now and was very pleased. I have purchase many more AF item......................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52297	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Again...the Spring S Spree?

Okay, just when I thought it was safe to make reservations...The latest NASG Dispatch lists the 2009 Spree as May 15, 16, 17. The 2010 Spree is April 30, May 1, 2. (and will be in Michigan.) I almost made reservations for April 30, May 1,2, THIS year as announced last week! Repeated attempts to get to the host club fails. I'm sure this doesn't mean much to most folks, but since my travel radius is more restricted these days, I'd sure like to know what's going on! This is the closest S show I can get to. Stumpy Stone...enjoying a brief warming trend in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52298	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Pictures of a 21130 oversize 4 Hudson

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1015722088/pic/list;jsessionid=FC61BCD7C6C93A530C866A072067B00F Pictures of a Hudson 21130 oversize 4. Runs very well, excellent condition, no steps. Smokes real well, one of the best engines I have seen with smoke. I have had this since 1993. Starting bid at $1,000.44, US Money Order, not faked. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52299	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: Re: Mike The Geek

LOL You are probably right. Trains, I tell Don Thompson is just like tropical fish. LOL At least you don't have to use a net on them when they fall over. They just pop up back to life, it is the other little things that goes along with it. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mike The Geek Mike, I used to breed fancy guppies back in the 70's. I know what ick is, and I bet most tropical fish breeders wish they didn't. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mike The Geek Yes he loves ick. LOL I wonder how many know what ick is. Mike was the first person that I bid for a item on ebay as he had a mint in box Rio Grande walking brake man car, 25049, the rarer one. I asked him the sillies of question as I said these are silly questions and he replied there are no silly questions. I bid for the car a buy it now and was very pleased. I have purchase many more AF item......................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52300	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: New Videos on You Tube

I have just added 3 new videos to my YouTube group. One is a N&W manifest frieght, the second is a Southern TOFC train, and the last is a Virginian work train. As before, many of the cars are kitbashed and decorated with my custom decals, especially the VGN work train which uses several regauged Bachmann ON30 cars. The addresses are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD1VsTnev5Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE55AHv9WVY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOekZl670QM Enjoy Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52301	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/23/2009
Subject: New Christmas Car

I know, Christmas was over a month ago, but this project began before Christmas arrived. This is my latest Christmas car, a redecorated Gilbert reefer carrying "Mrs. Claus' Christmas Cocoa, made with love" The car has silver sides and roofwalk, with chocolate brown roof and ends, and of course my custom made decals. I have posted a photo in the photo folder Wayne's Christmas car originals. I still have more ideas so stay tuned. Also, this is my notice that this design has been copyrighted. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52302	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Again...the Spring S Spree?

Yes, ignore the Dispatch dates; yes, the dates are April 30 , May 1 and 2. I tried in vain to get the dates since last September, but got no replies. Word of mouth gave me the May 15-16 dates, but obviously my info wasn't correct. Hopefully, we will all get a mailing with forms, etc., as the CVSG club's website has a problem. They really should have been using these S lists all the time so at least we would have had a heads up. Jeff To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mrstumpy@...: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:06:35 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Again...the Spring S Spree? Okay, just when I thought it was safe to make reservations...The latest NASG Dispatch lists the 2009 Spree as May 15, 16, 17. The 2010 Spree is April 30, May 1, 2. (and will be in Michigan.) I almost made reservations for April 30, May 1,2, THIS year as announced last week!Repeated attempts to get to the host club fails.I'm sure this doesn't mean much to most folks, but since my travel radius is more restricted these days, I'd sure like to know what's going on! This is the closest S show I can get to.Stumpy Stone...enjoying a brief warming trend in eastern Ahia. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Hotmail��more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52303	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Again...the Spring S Spree

Thanks Jeff! You are right on all counts too. I think most of the clubs have one or more people which are on S Trains since this group encompasses Toy, Hi-rail, and Scale enthusiasts, and is a pretty active spot! (Except, perhaps CVSG?) This is the place for up to the minute happenings in S! (It is also the first place I check before "she who will not be denied" takes over the computer for the day.) With Cindy's medical state and my retirement, my "radius of action" has become quite limited from the past, so I hate to miss anything close by! Thanks again for the update and clarification. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only "inquiring mind who wants to know!" Stumpy Stone...back in the freezer in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52304	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52305	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address

I wish to echo the moderators message below, and expand: If wish to be secure. Never log into your bank account, credit card account, paypal account (essentially any account you wish to remain secure) from a link in an email message. It is possible to make the descriptive text that you see be different from the hyperlink. Unless you watch the footer you may not notice it isn't what it says it is. The only way to trust a link is for you to have created the link. (unless you have the capability to analyze the link) Notice that the link that is at the bottom of this email is not really paypal. IE not https://www.paypal.com/ It is ".co.uk/uk" for the suffix. Always type them in or use your own "favorites" link. I have know a lot of people, especially those new to ebay and paypal get caught with this Phishing scam. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AZTECFAN Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THESE ARE FAKE! THE E-MAIL IS A PHISHING E-MAIL TRYING TO GET YOUR ACCOUNT INFO. DO NOT EVER SEND ACOUNT INFO IN A E-MAIL OR RESPOND TO A REQUEST FROM A E-MAIL THAT REQUIRES AN ACOUNT LOG-IN OR LINK THROUGH THE E-MAIL. THESE CAN LOOK LIKE THE REAL DEAL, COPYING THE LOOK OF THE REAL BUSINESS. IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT, CALL OR E-MAIL USING CONTACT INFORMATION THAT IS NOT IN THE SUSPECT E-MAIL. THAT INFORMATION CAN BE FAKED AND REDIRECT YOU TO A FAKED SITE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear valued PayPal Bank member: Due to concerns, for the safety and integrity of your PayPal Bank account we have issued this warning message. It has come to our attention that your PayPal account information needs to be updated as part of our continuing commitment to protect your account and to reduce the instance of fraud on our website. If you could please take 5-10 minutes out of your online experience and update your personal records you will not run into any future problems with the online service. Once you have updated your account records your PayPAl account service will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. To update your Online Banking records click on the following link: http://www.paypal.co.uk/uk Thank You. C Copyright C 1999-2009 PayPal. All rights reserved [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52306	From: John	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address

You can tell this is FAKE by the ending of the URL *************************************************** To update your Online Banking records click on the following link: http://www.paypal.co.uk/uk ^^^^^^^ *************************************************** The REAL paypal URL is https://www.paypal.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52307	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address

IF the email is real from anyone, they would have your full name on the email for beginnings. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address I wish to echo the moderators message below, and expand: If wish to be secure. Never log into your bank account, credit card account, paypal account (essentially any account you wish to remain secure) from a link in an email message. It is possible to make the descriptive text that you see be different from the hyperlink. Unless you watch the footer you may not notice it isn't what it says it is. The only way to trust a link is for you to have created the link. (unless you have the capability to analyze the link) Notice that the link that is at the bottom of this email is not really paypal. IE not https://www.paypal.com/ It is ".co.uk/uk" for the suffix. Always type them in or use your own "favorites" link. I have know a lot of people, especially those new to ebay and paypal get caught with this Phishing scam. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AZTECFAN Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THESE ARE FAKE! THE E-MAIL IS A PHISHING E-MAIL TRYING TO GET YOUR ACCOUNT INFO. DO NOT EVER SEND ACOUNT INFO IN A E-MAIL OR RESPOND TO A REQUEST FROM A E-MAIL THAT REQUIRES AN ACOUNT LOG-IN OR LINK THROUGH THE E-MAIL. THESE CAN LOOK LIKE THE REAL DEAL, COPYING THE LOOK OF THE REAL BUSINESS. IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT, CALL OR E-MAIL USING CONTACT INFORMATION THAT IS NOT IN THE SUSPECT E-MAIL. THAT INFORMATION CAN BE FAKED AND REDIRECT YOU TO A FAKED SITE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear valued PayPal Bank member: Due to concerns, for the safety and integrity of your PayPal Bank account we have issued this warning message. It has come to our attention that your PayPal account information needs to be updated as part of our continuing commitment to protect your account and to reduce the instance of fraud on our website. If you could please take 5-10 minutes out of your online experience and update your personal records you will not run into any future problems with the online service. Once you have updated your account records your PayPAl account service will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. To update your Online Banking records click on the following link: http://www.paypal.co.uk/uk Thank You. C Copyright C 1999-2009 PayPal. All rights reserved [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52308	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/25/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 25, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52309	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: #748 Girder, Trestle, & Tower Bridge Set

Does anybody have one of these, or at least know about it?   How many pieces should be in it?   Does anyone have an instruction sheet you can scan and email to me?   Can you tell me if the girder bridge in my picture is part of that set?         http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_bridges.html   Can anyone email me a better picture of the top of the box and another of the set erected and in use?  The Gilbert Gallery needs better picture!.   I'd appreciate it.   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52310	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2009
Subject: Hudson 211304

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2111703951/pic/1124445275/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Okay I admit, I was really playing with you all with the 21130 oversize 4 Hudson as yes, that was a fake. But here is one that I found at a train show today!!!!!! Man, you never know when you find maybe a one of a kind. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52311	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: #748 Girder, Trestle, & Tower Bridge Set

Hi Bob, The #748 Girder, Trestle, & Tower Bridge Set was all cardboard. I don't have a complete set, but I do have the instruction sheet which has a lot of info. I've attached a pdf file of the sheet for you. I hope this helps you out. Regards, Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] #748 Girder, Trestle, & Tower Bridge Set Does anybody have one of these, or at least know about it? How many pieces should be in it? Does anyone have an instruction sheet you can scan and email to me? Can you tell me if the girder bridge in my picture is part of that set? http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_bridges.html Can anyone email me a better picture of the top of the box and another of the set erected and in use? The Gilbert Gallery needs better picture!. I'd appreciate it. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52312	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Flyonel Mikado

The continuing saga of the Flyonel Mikado conversion to DC operation: I still haven't gutted the tender TMCC boards. I've been hoping that someone would come forward with some info regarding getting some sound out of them while operating on DC. If anyone knows what resistor and diode combination would work to make the backup light work directionally without the TCMM boards, I would appreciate knowing. On the Kadee coupler front; the tender will not be a problem for mounting a Kadee #5. But what I don't want to do is cut the tango off form the original coupler, however, it does look like it has to go. The pilot is another matter, I thought I could take out the dummy coupler and cut open the back of the pocket to extend a Kadee through and mount it using the hole for the chassis mount. The problem is the Kadee shank's 'hole' is too wide to get through the pocket without cutting it much wider. Has anyone had any success with mounting a Kadee on the front end of this engine? As far as actually running the Mikado, it is a real performer. I am very impressed with its slow speed operation on DC, it will creep at the lowest setting (about 6VDC) where the AM 4-6-2 and 4-8-4 won't even move. The top end is much faster than the AM Pacific also. The Mikado is a good looking and running engine despite the work and expense (paying for the TMCC electronics) you have to go through to get it there. Help is needed to finish the job, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52313	From: whtrainman	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address

PayPal has a specific e-mail on their page that this or any suspicious e-mail can be forwarded to. They will check it out and send you a reply back. As stated below, PayPal sends you the name you signed up with. Walt Johnson --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > IF the email is real from anyone, they would have your full name on the email for beginnings. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Kiner > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:46 AM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Is this real? It came to the wrong e- mail address > > > I wish to echo the moderators message below, and expand: > > If wish to be secure. Never log into your bank account, credit card > account, paypal account (essentially any account you wish to remain > secure) from a link in an email message. It is possible to make the > descriptive text that you see be different from the hyperlink. Unless > you watch the footer you may not notice it isn't what it says it is. > > The only way to trust a link is for you to have created the link. > (unless you have the capability to analyze the link) Notice that the > link that is at the bottom of this email is not really paypal. > > IE not https://www.paypal.com/ > > It is ".co.uk/uk" for the suffix. > > Always type them in or use your own "favorites" link. > > > I have know a lot of people, especially those new to ebay and paypal get > caught with this Phishing scam. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of AZTECFAN > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:53 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address > > NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > THESE ARE FAKE! > THE E-MAIL IS A PHISHING E-MAIL TRYING TO GET YOUR ACCOUNT INFO. > DO NOT EVER SEND ACOUNT INFO IN A E-MAIL OR RESPOND TO A REQUEST FROM A > E-MAIL THAT REQUIRES AN ACOUNT LOG-IN OR LINK THROUGH THE E-MAIL. > > THESE CAN LOOK LIKE THE REAL DEAL, COPYING THE LOOK OF THE REAL > BUSINESS. IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT, CALL OR E-MAIL USING CONTACT INFORMATION > THAT IS NOT IN THE SUSPECT E-MAIL. THAT INFORMATION CAN BE FAKED AND > REDIRECT YOU TO A FAKED SITE. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear valued PayPal Bank member: > > Due to concerns, for the safety and integrity of your PayPal Bank > account we have issued this warning message. > > It has come to our attention that your PayPal account information > needs to be > updated as part of our continuing > commitment to protect your account and to > reduce the instance of fraud on our website. > If you could please take 5-10 minutes > out of your online experience and update your personal records you > will not run into > any future problems with the online service. > > Once you have updated your account records your PayPAl account > service will not be interrupted > and will continue as normal. > > To update your Online Banking records click on the following link: > http://www.paypal.co.uk/uk > > Thank You. > > C Copyright C 1999-2009 PayPal. All rights reserved > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52314	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado

In a message dated 1/25/2009 9:35:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, tstoltz@... writes: still haven't gutted the tender TMCC boards. I've been hoping that someone would come forward with some info regarding getting some sound out of them while operating on DC. Would an A/C-D/C rectifier work ahead of the board, convert the D/C to A/C. One of the ways we install can motors ( not my favorite). Jim "Livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52315	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address

The address is: _Spoof@..._ (mailto:Spoof@...) Mike In a message dated 1/25/2009 6:35:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, waltj2@... writes: PayPal has a specific e-mail on their page that this or any suspicious e-mail can be forwarded to. They will check it out and send you a reply back. As stated below, PayPal sends you the name you signed up with. Walt Johnson --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@..m> wrote: > > IF the email is real from anyone, they would have your full name on the email for beginnings. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Kiner > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:46 AM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Is this real? It came to the wrong e- mail address > > > I wish to echo the moderators message below, and expand: > > If wish to be secure. Never log into your bank account, credit card > account, paypal account (essentially any account you wish to remain > secure) from a link in an email message. It is possible to make the > descriptive text that you see be different from the hyperlink. Unless > you watch the footer you may not notice it isn't what it says it is. > > The only way to trust a link is for you to have created the link. > (unless you have the capability to analyze the link) Notice that the > link that is at the bottom of this email is not really paypal. > > IE not _https://www.https://www_ (https://www.paypal.com/) > > It is ".co.uk/uk" for the suffix. > > Always type them in or use your own "favorites" link. > > > I have know a lot of people, especially those new to ebay and paypal get > caught with this Phishing scam. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On > Behalf Of AZTECFAN > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:53 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address > > NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ > THESE ARE FAKE! > THE E-MAIL IS A PHISHING E-MAIL TRYING TO GET YOUR ACCOUNT INFO. > DO NOT EVER SEND ACOUNT INFO IN A E-MAIL OR RESPOND TO A REQUEST FROM A > E-MAIL THAT REQUIRES AN ACOUNT LOG-IN OR LINK THROUGH THE E-MAIL. > > THESE CAN LOOK LIKE THE REAL DEAL, COPYING THE LOOK OF THE REAL > BUSINESS. IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT, CALL OR E-MAIL USING CONTACT INFORMATION > THAT IS NOT IN THE SUSPECT E-MAIL. THAT INFORMATION CAN BE FAKED AND > REDIRECT YOU TO A FAKED SITE. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~ > > Dear valued PayPal Bank member: > > Due to concerns, for the safety and integrity of your PayPal Bank > account we have issued this warning message. > > It has come to our attention that your PayPal account information > needs to be > updated as part of our continuing > commitment to protect your account and to > reduce the instance of fraud on our website. > If you could please take 5-10 minutes > out of your online experience and update your personal records you > will not run into > any future problems with the online service. > > Once you have updated your account records your PayPAl account > service will not be interrupted > and will continue as normal. > > To update your Online Banking records click on the following link: > _http://www.paypal.http://w_ (http://www.paypal.co.uk/uk) > > Thank You. > > C Copyright C 1999-2009 PayPal. All rights reserved > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52316	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: The real cost of electronics?

Being an "old guy" in model railroading and working at a hobby shop which handles repairs, I've become wary of the electronics in model railroading. Yes, I tried and liked them early on, but now, I'm a LOT less enthusiastic. I've seen too many failures and replacement parts are too expensive and hard to come by from the manufacturers. Almost all the repairs at the shop of "modern" trains have been circuit board failures, or things caused by electronic problems. You're talking at least $100. for boards, usually much more. Sadly, there have been a couple of recurring problems too! (Fortunately in O gauge stuff, so far.) After spending $400. $500. or more for a new loco, spending hundreds more to fix it makes an electronic equipped engine a real expensive proposition! After all, these are not the typical, low cost, "throw away" electronics items we are getting used to buying at "big box" stores! I can't picture spending $600. to buy a new loco and spending $200. more a year or two later to fix it, with the chance I'll have to do it again later! Just how much of the price of a new locomotive is electronics? A third? A quarter? Can they be made without electronics, or at least minimal electronics (such as a reverse unit) in them? Just something for those of you who know more than I to chew on... Stumpy Stone...back in the freezer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52317	From: Gil Henke	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Is this real? It came to the wrong e-mail address

If ypu get a suspect email purportedly from eBay, forward it without any comments to spoof@... If it says it is from PayPal, forward it without any comments to spoof@... Gilbert Henke - (ca1800s) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AZTECFAN" <aztecfan@...> wrote: > > NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > THESE ARE FAKE! > THE E-MAIL IS A PHISHING E-MAIL TRYING TO GET YOUR ACCOUNT INFO. > DO NOT EVER SEND ACOUNT INFO IN A E-MAIL OR RESPOND TO A REQUEST FROM A E-MAIL THAT REQUIRES AN ACOUNT LOG-IN OR LINK THROUGH THE E- MAIL. > > THESE CAN LOOK LIKE THE REAL DEAL, COPYING THE LOOK OF THE REAL BUSINESS. IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT, CALL OR E-MAIL USING CONTACT INFORMATION THAT IS NOT IN THE SUSPECT E-MAIL. THAT INFORMATION CAN BE FAKED AND REDIRECT YOU TO A FAKED SITE. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Dear valued PayPal Bank member: > > Due to concerns, for the safety and integrity of your PayPal Bank > account we have issued this warning message. > > It has come to our attention that your PayPal account information > needs to be > updated as part of our continuing > commitment to protect your account and to > reduce the instance of fraud on our website. > If you could please take 5-10 minutes > out of your online experience and update your personal records you > will not run into > any future problems with the online service. > > Once you have updated your account records your PayPAl account > service will not be interrupted > and will continue as normal. > > To update your Online Banking records click on the following link: > http://www.paypal.co.uk/uk > > > Thank You. > > © Copyright © 1999-2009 PayPal. All rights reserved >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52318	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Stumpy,   ===== Just how much of the price of a new locomotive is electronics?  A third? A quarter?  Can they be made without electronics, or at least minimal electronics (such as a reverse unit) in them? Just something for those of you who know more than I to chew on... Stumpy Stone...back in the freezer in Appalachia ======   Since my main investment is in HO scale, electronics are more a crucial part of today's  equipment than an "option". Almost every HO scale locomotive is now being manufactured either DCC ready" with the ability to add a DCC decoder, or more common, already including a DCC decoder that is capable of operating on an analog (DC) layout.   I am certain that the reason is that there are more HO scale layouts based on prototypical operation, than there are S Scale, and prototypical Operation dictates several things.   1. The layout must be designed to accomodate several operators at one time. 2. The operators need independent and close control of their trains to perform the tasks involved in operating a train in a prototypical manner. 3. The controls for switches are either controlled at a localized panel or by a dispatcher located in an entirely different room than the layout.   Folks that operate S-Scale and tinplate-era layouts are used to the older and simpler, non-DCC methods of "railfan" and "tower operator" controls. 1. The controls are placed in a central location for throwing switches or operating accessories. 2. The trackplan is based on watching trains and equipment run through the model scenes, not on delivering or picking up cars from different industries. 3. Operating trains is done by a simple speed control device that control a complete electrical "loop" of track. 4. Multiple trains will usually have their own "route" or loop of track or will be controlled by automatic devices that simply kill power to a section of track while the other train runs.   Our S Scale train layouts are usually designed as an island and have areas that are unreachable without access hatches, aisleways or removable hatches.   An HO layout design is more linear and narrow to create a sense of continuous scenery that is only seen once during a train's run creating the illusion of running over a realistic mainline on a prototype railroad.   This long-winded explanation boils down to the fact tht electronic controls and features have become necessary to keep up with the wants and requests of the majority of the modelers.   The other point is that, although in HO there are certainly problems with the electronic circuitry, the manufacturers have also been quick to correct them due to the larger number of HO modelers out there. This has created a more stable environment and better reliability.   When a modeler in S Scale see a beautiful HO scale loco with authentic sound, smooth running ability, and the ability to do "miraculous" things through DCC, he often asks, "why can't my S Scale equipment do that?" The smaller manufacturer will try to provide these features, only possible through electronics, to their customers. This leads to some problems itself.   Unfortunately, modern S Scale equipment manufacturers do not enjoy the huge numbers of modelers that HO scale has. HO Scale manufacturers create "limited runs" of equipment to create desire for new model releases.This also provides a convenient method for the manufacturer to create a "shortage" of the equipment, coincidentally, this leads to boosted prices.    S Scale manufactures cannot produce large equipment runs because of the limited sales base. Their budgets are smaller and the R&D for new developement is more expensive. This can create a less reliable and more expensive model. Higher price with more repair problems due to limited budgets. One other problem is that S Scale manufacturers have smaller staffs than the "Big companies". A problem in a run can lead to lengthy delays in repair returns and increased costs due to parts availability. They just do not have the number of people dedicated to repair even though their support effort is much better.   Like it or not, the days of repairing a toy train with a screwdriver and some 3-in-1 oil are over. Chinese manufacturing, lack of American industries for actual manufacturing of the products place the ability for the manufacturer/importer to stay alive, and the reliance of overseas parts production out of reach and will dictate how the hobby will continue. Varney, A.C.Gilbert, Ives, and even Mantua were companies that relied on American-based factories and workers no longer exist. Today's manufacturers have no choice than to use companies based in China simply because there are no longer any places in this country that will be able to compete due to labor costs.   I look for train-meet bargains and garage sales to provide equipment I can upgrade. Yes, I also must have that $300.00 loco occasionally with sound, DCC and everything but a live engineer and fireman. I am also willing to accept the reaction of my lovely bride when she asks, "How much did that one cost ?" Regardless of whether a person likes it or not, electronics are here to stay.   Regards, Nick Kulp . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52319	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Stumpy,how you doing! I have a few of the new Flyionel trains. When and if all that electronics goes bad I will more then likely rip it all out, and put the older stuff in it. I have made a chassis for a 332 from one 300 and a 322 chassis. I then cut welded the pot metal chassis to make one, and then mill it to clean it up. I then put the wheels on hooked it up, and it worked great. There's more to it then that, but that's the short story. I also sold it to some one in California. Clayton --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] The real cost of electronics? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 7:58 AM > Being an "old guy" in model railroading and > working at a hobby shop > which handles repairs, I've become wary of the > electronics in model > railroading. > Yes, I tried and liked them early on, but now, I'm a > LOT less > enthusiastic. I've seen too many failures and > replacement parts are > too expensive and hard to come by from the manufacturers. > Almost all > the repairs at the shop of "modern" trains have > been circuit board > failures, or things caused by electronic problems. > You're talking at > least $100. for boards, usually much more. Sadly, there > have been a > couple of recurring problems too! (Fortunately in O gauge > stuff, so > far.) > After spending $400. $500. or more for a new loco, spending > hundreds > more to fix it makes an electronic equipped engine a real > expensive > proposition! After all, these are not the typical, low > cost, "throw > away" electronics items we are getting used to buying > at "big box" > stores! I can't picture spending $600. to buy a new > loco and spending > $200. more a year or two later to fix it, with the chance > I'll have to > do it again later! > Just how much of the price of a new locomotive is > electronics? A > third? A quarter? Can they be made without electronics, or > at least > minimal electronics (such as a reverse unit) in them? > Just something for those of you who know more than I to > chew on... > Stumpy Stone...back in the freezer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52320	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

This is exactly why the late Tom Jarcho was so against the electronics. You couldn't repair them, had to buy new. He could tell you all about how to repair the mechanical. jfred --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] The real cost of electronics? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 10:58 AM Being an "old guy" in model railroading and working at a hobby shop which handles repairs, I've become wary of the electronics in model railroading. Yes, I tried and liked them early on, but now, I'm a LOT less enthusiastic. I've seen too many failures and replacement parts are too expensive and hard to come by from the manufacturers. Almost all the repairs at the shop of "modern" trains have been circuit board failures, or things caused by electronic problems. You're talking at least $100. for boards, usually much more. Sadly, there have been a couple of recurring problems too! (Fortunately in O gauge stuff, so far.) After spending $400. $500. or more for a new loco, spending hundreds more to fix it makes an electronic equipped engine a real expensive proposition! After all, these are not the typical, low cost, "throw away" electronics items we are getting used to buying at "big box" stores! I can't picture spending $600. to buy a new loco and spending $200. more a year or two later to fix it, with the chance I'll have to do it again later! Just how much of the price of a new locomotive is electronics? A third? A quarter? Can they be made without electronics, or at least minimal electronics (such as a reverse unit) in them? Just something for those of you who know more than I to chew on... Stumpy Stone...back in the freezer in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52321	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

In a message dated 1/25/2009 1:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: The other point is that, although in HO there are certainly problems with the electronic circuitry, the manufacturers have also been quick to correct them due to the larger number of HO modelers out there. This has created a more stable environment and better reliability. HO is STILL 60% of the ENTIRE market for trains smaller that 1" = 1'. Wonder how much "S" is of the rest, thinking around 3%?? This came up at NTTM yesterday. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52322	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/25/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52323	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics

Nick is right, running trains differs between HO and the larger gauges. most S and O layouts don't require multiple operators nor are run "prototypically." Large HO layouts which require multiple operators are best operated with DCC. In fact many S "Scale" guys use the DCC system. To their credit S Helper and American Models make locos which are DCC compatable. DCC is a standardized, much more flexible and reliable system than what we have in the larger scales. A "DDC ready" loco can be run without the additional electronics yet has the circuitry plugs to add sound or control, or various combinations from a choice of DCC system manufacturers. In S or O gauge trains, you are limited to proprietary "everything included" sytems which are expensive and incompatable with any of the other systems. No electronics are actually needed (with the exception of a reverse unit), but they are another way for the manufacturer to add profit. Just like "packaging" options in cars or "grouping" channels on cable TV rather than letting you choose what you want. You have no choice but pay your considerable money and take your chance. Ripping out fried electronics and running without may be a future necessity. Yes, I'm an old dog. Cindy has been trying to teach me new tricks for years, but I still don't like pink! ;-) Stumpy Stone...old dog in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52324	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson 211304

Better Mike, but still no cigar. The font still doesn't quite match... Steve In a message dated 01/24/2009 9:51:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groupshttp://grouhttp://groups.h ttp://groups&mode=tn&<WBR>order=or&<WBR>st&count=co&dir=asc_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2111703951/pic/1124445275/view?picmode=&mo de=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc) Okay I admit, I was really playing with you all with the 21130 oversize 4 Hudson as yes, that was a fake. But here is one that I found at a train show today!!!!!! Man, you never know when you find maybe a one of a kind. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52325	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account !

PayPalI am only sending this to show all that this email does not have my name on it, so from the beginning it is a fake. Along with all those from banks, IRS, etc. that do not have your name. The IRS never contacts people by email. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: service@... Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Please Update Your PayPal Account ! PayPal is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community of customers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal employs some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. We are contacting you to remind you that on 24 01 2009 our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that your account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. To secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may require some additional information from you for the following reason: We have been notified that a card associated with your account has been reported as lost or stolen, or that there were additional problems with your card. This process is mandatory, and if not completed within the nearest time your account or credit card may be subject for temporary suspension. To securely confirm your PayPal information please click on the link bellow: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run We encourage you to log in and perform the steps necessary to restore your account access as soon as possible. Allowing your account access to remain limited for an extended period of time may result in further limitations on the use of your account and possible account closure. For more information about how to protect your account please visit PayPal Security Center. We apologize for any incovenience this may cause, and we apriciate your assistance in helping us to maintain the integrity of the entire PayPal system. Thank you for using PayPal! The PayPal Team [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52326	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account !

Mike,   PayPal has a special address for fake emails like that. spoof@... If you get a suspicious email, send it to them instead of replying. They will respond and tell you if it is authentic.   Nick Kulp --- On Sun, 1/25/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account ! To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:20 PM PayPalI am only sending this to show all that this email does not have my name on it, so from the beginning it is a fake. Along with all those from banks, IRS, etc. that do not have your name. The IRS never contacts people by email. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: service@... Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Please Update Your PayPal Account ! PayPal is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community of customers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal employs some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. We are contacting you to remind you that on 24 01 2009 our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that your account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. To secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may require some additional information from you for the following reason: We have been notified that a card associated with your account has been reported as lost or stolen, or that there were additional problems with your card. This process is mandatory, and if not completed within the nearest time your account or credit card may be subject for temporary suspension. To securely confirm your PayPal information please click on the link bellow: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run We encourage you to log in and perform the steps necessary to restore your account access as soon as possible. Allowing your account access to remain limited for an extended period of time may result in further limitations on the use of your account and possible account closure. For more information about how to protect your account please visit PayPal Security Center. We apologize for any incovenience this may cause, and we apriciate your assistance in helping us to maintain the integrity of the entire PayPal system. Thank you for using PayPal! The PayPal Team [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52327	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson 211304

Steve, That is because you are smart. LOL And you worked on this engine twice, Doug Peck once, Manassas Train shop once, so now I make the big bucks on it. The adjusted 4 was done by my partner in crime, a fellow O gauger!!!! No, I have spent so much money on this engine I will never part with it. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hudson 211304 Better Mike, but still no cigar. The font still doesn't quite match... Steve In a message dated 01/24/2009 9:51:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groupshttp://grouhttp://groups.h ttp://groups&mode=tn&<WBR>order=or&<WBR>st&count=co&dir=asc_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2111703951/pic/1124445275/view?picmode=&mo de=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc) Okay I admit, I was really playing with you all with the 21130 oversize 4 Hudson as yes, that was a fake. But here is one that I found at a train show today!!!!!! Man, you never know when you find maybe a one of a kind. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52328	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics

While not perfect or faultfree, if not for electronics I would have probably be done with this hobby about 5 years ago. Because of it (TMCC, Legacy, DCC, Lionel, NCE, Soundtraxx, SHS, ERR, DD, TAS, and others) I'm a conventional and digital operator loving the variety of wayS to have fun and looking forward to where it all leads next. Buy what you want. Run what you have. Sell what you don't want any longer and walk away from or don't bother with what you don't want in the first place. There are lots of ways to enjoy this hobby. No one way is better than another.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52329	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

According to a rumor - AF is less than 1% of Lionel sales.   Bill Drake Snow on the ground in St Louis --- On Sun, 1/25/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The real cost of electronics? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 2:55 PM In a message dated 1/25/2009 1:09:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: The other point is that, although in HO there are certainly problems with the electronic circuitry, the manufacturers have also been quick to correct them due to the larger number of HO modelers out there. This has created a more stable environment and better reliability. HO is STILL 60% of the ENTIRE market for trains smaller that 1" = 1'. Wonder how much "S" is of the rest, thinking around 3%?? This came up at NTTM yesterday. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52330	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account !

Hi Nick. I know, as I wanted all to see what these things look like on how they do not address you by name, a give away in any email where they say you have a problem with a account. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account ! Mike, PayPal has a special address for fake emails like that. spoof@... If you get a suspicious email, send it to them instead of replying. They will respond and tell you if it is authentic. Nick Kulp --- On Sun, 1/25/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Please Update Your PayPal Account ! To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:20 PM PayPalI am only sending this to show all that this email does not have my name on it, so from the beginning it is a fake. Along with all those from banks, IRS, etc. that do not have your name. The IRS never contacts people by email. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: service@... Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Please Update Your PayPal Account ! PayPal is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community of customers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal employs some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. We are contacting you to remind you that on 24 01 2009 our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that your account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. To secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may require some additional information from you for the following reason: We have been notified that a card associated with your account has been reported as lost or stolen, or that there were additional problems with your card. This process is mandatory, and if not completed within the nearest time your account or credit card may be subject for temporary suspension. To securely confirm your PayPal information please click on the link bellow: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run We encourage you to log in and perform the steps necessary to restore your account access as soon as possible. Allowing your account access to remain limited for an extended period of time may result in further limitations on the use of your account and possible account closure. For more information about how to protect your account please visit PayPal Security Center. We apologize for any incovenience this may cause, and we apriciate your assistance in helping us to maintain the integrity of the entire PayPal system. Thank you for using PayPal! The PayPal Team [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52331	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

In a message dated 1/26/2009 7:20:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, ee_train@... writes: According to a rumor - AF is less than 1% of Lionel sales. Not hard to believe when you compare the current lack of detail, stamped tin car floors etc, to SHS, AM, DPH and all the others. OOOPS, forgot the higher prices too. I would guess they keep the name alive to keep Mike from getting it like he did the IVES name. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52332	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Jim,   ===== According to a rumor - AF is less than 1% of Lionel sales. Not hard to believe when you compare the current lack of detail, stamped tin car floors etc, to SHS, AM, DPH and all the others.  OOOPS, forgot the higher prices too.  I would guess they keep the name alive to keep Mike from getting it like he did the IVES name. Jim Lyle =====   Actually, this poor quality is Lionel's contribution to the current economic situation. They are teaching the folks that don't remember the Great Depression and WW II shortages what it was like. It is a public service and it will teach them how to scrounge and scratch-build to get what they want. The higher prices will also make it a decision as to whether you want that new car, or make the mortgage payment....What the heck, a month's pay for a flatcar ? I can make that out of a 2 X 4.   Tongue-in-cheek, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52333	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: 762 Two In One Whistle?

1. Does anyone know where I can get the wiring diragram for the 2 button control? (exactly where the ribbon wires are to be connected, etc.) 2. Does the 762 when working properly actually give two distinct whistle sounds? 3. Does anyone repo the Two In One button? I have two of these. The first I got burned on. Looks like new, The whistle needs TLC. Just makes noise as it turns, no whistle sound. The second has seen some use but is complete: Button included with no cut wires. However, one of the buttons has no tension. When I clipped the other button control from the other 762: The whistle works fine. It's sound is exactly the same, however, no matter which button one pushes. Thank you as always. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52334	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: 762 Two In One Whistle?

Hi Paul,   I have one of the 762 whistles. The "dual" sound comes from a baffle in the whistle itself. One button produces the single tone, the second button opens the solenoid-actuated baffle to create the second tone.   The reason the one button has no tension is because the copper spring strip is probably broken or missing. You could use two momentary, normally open buttons to operate it. All you need to do is use one transformer lead as common to both buttons.   Unfortunately, my 762 is packed away and I can't get to it to check the internal wiring.   Good luck, Nick Kulp --- On Mon, 1/26/09, gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: From: gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 762 Two In One Whistle? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:07 PM 1. Does anyone know where I can get the wiring diragram for the 2 button control? (exactly where the ribbon wires are to be connected, etc.) 2. Does the 762 when working properly actually give two distinct whistle sounds? 3. Does anyone repo the Two In One button? I have two of these. The first I got burned on. Looks like new, The whistle needs TLC. Just makes noise as it turns, no whistle sound. The second has seen some use but is complete: Button included with no cut wires. However, one of the buttons has no tension. When I clipped the other button control from the other 762: The whistle works fine. It's sound is exactly the same, however, no matter which button one pushes. Thank you as always. Paul ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52335	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Another two cents worth on electronics. I know I'm probably in the minority these days, but what's wrong with a basic no frills steamer with an old style Flyer smoke and Choo-choo unit? While the rail sounds and other goodies are nice, the sound and smoke emanating from some of my Flyonel steamers is more like gnat farts than a real loco...what's with that wheezing sound and if Lionel cares why haven't they corrected it? I would rather have the option of purchasing a new steamer with an electronic e-unit and basic chug and smoke as well as a full boat loaded model, kind of like optioning out a new car. Those of us, probably only a small group, who still enjoy running Flyer on AC with our old transformers and sequencing e-units would certainly welcome new Flyonel with just the basics. My old 290 that my Dad purchased for me in 53 still runs and smokes like a champ and still sounds good to me and I can do many repairs without an advanced degree in electonics from MIT. I owned a gas station/garage for almost 30 years and witnessed cars going from carbs and point type ignition to direct injection and coil on plug technonlogy and while progress is wonderful, adding technology just because we can isn't always the answer...remember the Cadillac V8-6-4 or the BMW I-drive system? Ouch! And just maybe by taking a lower tech approach enough can be saved in production and tooling costs to give us some other locose besides Pacifics and Mikados in a ton of road names. Remember, if it's not broken then don't fix it till it is. Taking my meds in New Jersey.   Bob Hendrickson  --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] The real cost of electronics? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 10:58 AM Being an "old guy" in model railroading and working at a hobby shop which handles repairs, I've become wary of the electronics in model railroading. Yes, I tried and liked them early on, but now, I'm a LOT less enthusiastic. I've seen too many failures and replacement parts are too expensive and hard to come by from the manufacturers. Almost all the repairs at the shop of "modern" trains have been circuit board failures, or things caused by electronic problems. You're talking at least $100. for boards, usually much more. Sadly, there have been a couple of recurring problems too! (Fortunately in O gauge stuff, so far.) After spending $400. $500. or more for a new loco, spending hundreds more to fix it makes an electronic equipped engine a real expensive proposition! After all, these are not the typical, low cost, "throw away" electronics items we are getting used to buying at "big box" stores! I can't picture spending $600. to buy a new loco and spending $200. more a year or two later to fix it, with the chance I'll have to do it again later! Just how much of the price of a new locomotive is electronics? A third? A quarter? Can they be made without electronics, or at least minimal electronics (such as a reverse unit) in them? Just something for those of you who know more than I to chew on... Stumpy Stone...back in the freezer in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52336	From: jim_marski	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Liquidating a Collection- Starting with some SHS items

Will be selling off a collection of Gilbert, LTI, SHS and AM items. Have started by listing SHS pieces. All will be on Available S Gauge list over next few weeks. Thanks for looking, Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52337	From: splsaab	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: ATLAS E-6 .

I Ebayed a complete Atlas freight set plus one of the 3 car expansion sets for less than $100 with the intention on seeing what was usable. I ended up only keeping the E-6, track, and transformer from the set and the 4 bay covered Southern hopper from the expansion pack. I took the remaining brand new cars in the package to the local Greenburg show and asked the guy there that sells the Atlas stuff how much he would give me for the unused cars. He said he could only give me $10 for each car, and indicated he gets them super cheap, so it seems they have a big margin in these cars. He said the track, transformer and engine were by far the most valuable parts in the set but I didn't want to sell those. I have not tried to convert the E-6 yet but will definitely post something when I do. I does look nice sitting on the shelf next to an AF atlantic. The 4 bay covered hopper looks pretty good sitting on a pair of SHS trucks, it reminds me of a Southern "Big John" hopper. Robert Carter --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > > Would it be possible to mount a Gilbert 4-4-2 chassis under this > shell? From the photos, this does not seem to be a finely detailed > model where the small parts will break just when you look at it. My > only complaint with the Gilbert model is the firebox they used to > contain their 1950s technology electric motor. I don't think any of > the 4-4-2 users here in Virginia used that type of firebox. If I > could get a Gilbert 4-4-2 chassis remotored with can motor, in an > Atlas shell I would be happy. > > Wayne Beachy > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@ wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > I suggested to the fine folks from ATLAS that they consider > regauging the E-6 > > to "S" AFTER I looked to see IF I could easily/reasonably do it > myself. They > > smiled. > > I will see them shortly and mention it again, BUT, will enough be > sold to > > make it worth the expense to ATLAS??? > > > > Jim Lyle > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in > just 2 easy > > steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol? > redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072% > 26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > > cemailfooterNO62) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52338	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

OK, then here's another 2 cents worth. Bob, I'm with you all the way. While the electronic stuff is cool, and a lot of guys love it, why can't Lionel have a "delete" option to it? From what I can see, the cost adds about $125 to $150 to the price of a locomotive. I would like to have a lot of the new things, but can't justify the electronics nor the controllers to activate them (more expense). A simple (good sounding) mechanical chuff, and MAYBE a horn or whistle, and I'm happy. Electronic reverse units are fairly bullet proof, and that's the extent of "sparky stuff" I want. My layout is AC powered with mostly AM, SHS and selected Flyonel items, only diesels and rolling stock. I firmly believe in the KISS principle. Do the bean counters at Lionel realize that PERHAPS offering their steamers without the TMCC would boost sales? Then, maybe HAVING the stuff makes guys purchase the controllers and get hooked on the new stuff. And this is in no way a slam on Lionel. I appreciate their efforts in Flyer. The spirit of A.C. still lives. Hey, I am for progress, but progress for progress' sake makes no sense to me. My street rod is the same way. No power assisted stuff, nor frills. Just horsepower to the wheels. That's 4 cents so far......... maybe 5 cents since I rattled on for a while........ Jerry Poniatowski Can't Wait For Spring in SE Michigan. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > > Another two cents worth on electronics. I know I'm probably in the minority these days, but what's wrong with a basic no frills steamer with an old style Flyer smoke and Choo-choo unit? > Bob Hendrickson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52339	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

In a message dated 1/26/2009 4:37:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, canambob91710k@... writes: After spending $400. $500. or more for a new loco, spending hundreds more to fix it makes an electronic equipped engine a real expensive proposition! After all, these are not the typical, low cost, "throw away" electronics items we are getting used to buying at "big box" stores! I can't picture spending $600. to buy a new loco and spending $200. more a year or two later to fix it, with the chance I'll have to do it again later! That issue existed in the late 70's--early 80's also. I gave my nephew an HO train set made by one of the "Biggest" manufacturers on Christmas morning, motor fried by Christmas dinner, just because of the way it was poorly made, NOT due to abuse. Wanna lose a kid's atttention, go thru that one..later found out that was relatively normal with THAT companies' products at that time. Most people just "cornered" the stuff and forgot it. Now he has NO interest in trains, wants me to sell his train stuff. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52340	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: Liquidating a Collection- Starting with some SHS items

Hello Jim, Can you send the list to yardmastermodels@... for the S Helper items, Thanks, Dave. -----Original Message----- From: jim_marski <jim_marski@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 3:42 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Liquidating a Collection- Starting with some SHS items Will be selling off a collection of Gilbert, LTI, SHS and AM items. Have started by listing SHS pieces. All will be on Available S Gauge list over next few weeks. Thanks for looking, Jim Marski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52341	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Another two cent comment about the electronics. We don't complain about the mechanics or the smoke units because there is documentation about how to replace or repair it ourselves - or it is so obvious that it can be done without the documentation. The electronic designs in these locomotives are closely kept trade secrets and the mystery makes it impossible to do your own work - and I have a degree in electronics from Caltech. I took one of the failed early sound of steam boards and reverse engineered the schematic since L couldn't be bothered to help or replace one in a Hudson for one of my L friends. With about 40 hours of work into it I still haven't been able to make it work. A copy of the schematic with a parts list and it would have been back in a matter of minutes. They also carefully used unmarked and custom marked parts to make it even more difficult. This is the equivalent of using #3-39 screws for something mechanical. They don't do the job any better than a standart 4-40 but you have to invest in a $400 custom tap and die set to do your repair work or pay them some extra amount to do it for you. None of the manufacturers has figured out that they just aggravate their source of income with these policies and drive people out of the hobby.   Bill Drake freezing mix in St. Louis --- On Mon, 1/26/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The real cost of electronics? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:02 AM In a message dated 1/26/2009 7:20:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, ee_train@yahoo. com writes: According to a rumor - AF is less than 1% of Lionel sales. Not hard to believe when you compare the current lack of detail, stamped tin car floors etc, to SHS, AM, DPH and all the others. OOOPS, forgot the higher prices too. I would guess they keep the name alive to keep Mike from getting it like he did the IVES name. Jim Lyle ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52342	From: Firewood	Date: 1/26/2009
Subject: Possible Ebay competition

Looks like Auctiva is testing e-commerce storefronts to tap disgruntled Ebay sellers. http://hubpages.com/hub/Auctiva-Sending-Out-Lifeboat-To-Frustrated-eBay- Sellers Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52343	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

In a message dated 1/26/2009 11:42:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, ee_train@... writes: None of the manufacturers has figured out that they just aggravate their source of income with these policies and drive people out of the hobby. THAT is the sad part. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52344	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Liquidating a Collection- Starting with some SHS items

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52345	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Electronics protection

To help protect the electronics in your modern engines and avoid/prevent repair costs, add a surge protector from Scott's Odds 'n Ends to the wiring of your layout (easy) and a fast blow fuse to every loop, block, siding, etc. (locate them so they're accessible). I installed both in my layout and while having to replace a fbf once in awhile it is reassuring to know that it fried an not something more expensive. The slow blow and/or resettable fuses in your transformers and even those in your TPC's, etc. do not suppress or throw themselves down if necessary in the case or repetitive spikes/sparks or other surge sources like the SOE suppressor does, and they do not activate nearly as fast as the fast blows. Ever fry the tiny spring in the sideframe of a freight car from a derailment or misthrown switch? Imagine what that can do and maybe did meanwhile to the electronics in your engine. I got these tips from O-gaugers running engines 2x-3x or more expensive than ours. Talk about motivation. BTW - want to drive your AF Mikado crazy? Run it in TMCC mode on a loop with a Gilbert AF 740 or 741. Typically the command receptivity of the Mike decreases and becomes erratic. Now with a SOE suppressor wired in. Only lasts about 30 seconds. Why? The suppressor steps in and says enough already. The short wheel base and relatively high current draw of the old 741's (Lionel repros less so) cause spikes and sparks (some unseen) as it "hops" along the rails driving the Mike's "mind" crazy. Not a good thing. PS I prefer 7A fast blow fuses on my S loops, and 3A on my Sn42/On30. The O'strs typically run 15A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52346	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: WARDIEJAY Tinplate Ties

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52347	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Bill,   ===== The electronic designs in these locomotives are closely kept trade secrets and the mystery makes it impossible to do your own work - and I have a degree in electronics from Caltech. ===== As someone with a degree from Caltech, I would expect that you would understand some of the reasons MOST manufacturers use proprietory parts. You practically explained it yourself when you said you tried to reverse-engineer it.  They want to protect their R&D from others that would do that and STEAL it, killing their company.   I worked for Bell Labs in R&D . One of the biggest part of the job was security against removing designs from the building. We had to submit to searches when leaving the building.   That said, I also agree that the older equipment was more easily repaired. It is a welcome relief to sit down at the workbench to perform maintenance on a piece of equipment that was designed to be repaired and enjoyed for a long time. Something that had family tradition attached so a father could pass his trains down to his son when he grew old enough to enjoy it.   I'm not trying to pick a fight but for Pete's sake, no one is going to stop any manufacturer from moving ahead with current technology. Their intent is to attract a younger group of people. A group unable to imagine what black and white TV is, a group that has never known a life without a computer, multiple automobiles in one family or to be asked, "is this trip REALLY necessary" ? A group created by the throw-away society that we have become. Parents no longer teach, "Fix it up, wear it out, use it up"  from the WW II years. Today, it gets replaced because something in a different color comes along, not because it no longer works.   If you have traded in a car because you simply wanted a newer one, then you are also part of the problem. By the way, have you worked on an automobile anytime within the last 20 years?  Most of the time you can't even set the timing or fuel mixture without a computer and a $400.00 piece of diagnostic equipment. To use it you need to go to the manufacturer's training and spend more money.   Does this mean you won't buy a car manufactured after 1950 because you can't fix it yourself?   ====== None of the manufacturers has figured out that they just aggravate their source of income with these policies and drive people out of the hobby. ======   I absolutely agree 100% Are you willing to completely boycott all of the new products until they return to solenoid technology and American standard hardware and convince every other consumer? If the answer is no, then it looks like they will continue in their efforts to make more sophisticated (expensive) products and continue with poor customer support until we, the consumers, make a serious statement that affects their corporate bottom line and we will no longer buy what they manufacturer without appropriate and reasonable customer support. It will never happen so we either have to accept it or do something about it by convincing the manufacturers that no one will buy it.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp Watching the temperature drop again in Perry County. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52348	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Layout Progress - NOT

Hello All, Today marks the four week anniversary of my short flight across the garage and my crash landing. I had x-rays of the fractured hip today. No deterioration but no new bone growth either. The doctor said new bone growth should show up on the x-rays in another two weeks. And he will not authorize any rehab until he sees new bone growth. So the layout sits upstairs and I sit downstairs for at least another two weeks. Those stair elevator chairs are beginning to look like a good investment - lol! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52349	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: More thoughts on electronics...

First...a G & M Train & Hobby rule of thumb: Match the power to the train. Run old trains from old transformers, run new trains from new power packs. In that way the circuit breakers match the needs of the engine. Okay... back to the discussion. As fast as electronics evolve, there will come a day for everyone when the circuit boards are no longer availible. (For owners of MTH "Proto One" locomotives, that day already came a few years ago when MTH dropped them and went to the new electronics.) Usually, when the electronics fail, the DC can motor is still good. The smoke units and lights are too, but often need their power regulated by the circuit board. The reverse unit, sound, and control system are all part of the board which is now trash. Like many "Proto One" owners, you can remove the fried electronics and install a Dallee electronic reverse unit, or similar. This makes the train run and in most cases the headlite. Unless someone gets around the "proprietary" electronics somehow and makes a "Universal Replacement Circuit Board" someday, it's the only viable alternative I can think of, short of going to DC power and using DCC systems like the HO folks. Stumpy Stone...seeing some ugly weather here in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52350	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Actually, while not expressed well by me, I was trying to make a point that this is a hobby. Mistakes and crashes will happen and things will break. Our expectation on the older equipment is that we can tear it down and obtain the parts and fix it. With the electronic stuff, not possible. Not possible because the manufacturers are not supporting the fix it hobby mentality. Most of the trade secret stuff is in the programming/firmware - so sell the chip with the program and put it in a socket so it can be replaced. In the case of older technology boards no longer being put into new items, release the schematic and list of material so third party support can come into play. Sound of steam in a Lionel locomotive hasn't been produced in 20 years but some of the owners would like to maintain the locomotive with original circuitry. Lionel doesn't even offer the boards, so what is the problem with releasing the obsolete data? The only thing being accomplished is to frustrate the hobbiest.   Bill Drake it's turned to snow falling on top of the previous wintry mix --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The real cost of electronics? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 1:29 PM Bill,   ===== The electronic designs in these locomotives are closely kept trade secrets and the mystery makes it impossible to do your own work - and I have a degree in electronics from Caltech. ===== As someone with a degree from Caltech, I would expect that you would understand some of the reasons MOST manufacturers use proprietory parts. You practically explained it yourself when you said you tried to reverse-engineer it.  They want to protect their R&D from others that would do that and STEAL it, killing their company.   I worked for Bell Labs in R&D . One of the biggest part of the job was security against removing designs from the building. We had to submit to searches when leaving the building.   That said, I also agree that the older equipment was more easily repaired. It is a welcome relief to sit down at the workbench to perform maintenance on a piece of equipment that was designed to be repaired and enjoyed for a long time. Something that had family tradition attached so a father could pass his trains down to his son when he grew old enough to enjoy it.   I'm not trying to pick a fight but for Pete's sake, no one is going to stop any manufacturer from moving ahead with current technology. Their intent is to attract a younger group of people. A group unable to imagine what black and white TV is, a group that has never known a life without a computer, multiple automobiles in one family or to be asked, "is this trip REALLY necessary" ? A group created by the throw-away society that we have become. Parents no longer teach, "Fix it up, wear it out, use it up"  from the WW II years. Today, it gets replaced because something in a different color comes along, not because it no longer works.   If you have traded in a car because you simply wanted a newer one, then you are also part of the problem. By the way, have you worked on an automobile anytime within the last 20 years?  Most of the time you can't even set the timing or fuel mixture without a computer and a $400.00 piece of diagnostic equipment. To use it you need to go to the manufacturer' s training and spend more money.   Does this mean you won't buy a car manufactured after 1950 because you can't fix it yourself?   ====== None of the manufacturers has figured out that they just aggravate their source of income with these policies and drive people out of the hobby. ======   I absolutely agree 100% Are you willing to completely boycott all of the new products until they return to solenoid technology and American standard hardware and convince every other consumer? If the answer is no, then it looks like they will continue in their efforts to make more sophisticated (expensive) products and continue with poor customer support until we, the consumers, make a serious statement that affects their corporate bottom line and we will no longer buy what they manufacturer without appropriate and reasonable customer support. It will never happen so we either have to accept it or do something about it by convincing the manufacturers that no one will buy it.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp Watching the temperature drop again in Perry County. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52351	From: Firewood	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: More thoughts on electronics...

Thanks Stumpy, I remember a MR article on an Lionel layout where the owner had heavily automated its operation and, in the process, converted the entire system to DC. This was apparently to improve the reliability of operation. The electronics of the AC-operating manufacturers are, as you said, wrapped up in 'manufacturer-only' packages and so the hobbyist is at their mercy in a way. Should the choice be left up to the consumer as to what he wants to run? Since modern models are mostly DC can motors anyway, should the manufacturers build unobtrusive little bypass switch that allows an AC or DC choice? "See your hobby dealer for details?" Am I inviting electrical disaster across the continent???? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52352	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Progress - NOT

Hang in there, BG!  You will see more progress once the rehabbers get there paws on you.  They worked miracles for me.  Remember that this is a short term bump in the road and a year from now it will just be another unfortunate incident in your life. Jim E.  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:58:13 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Progress - NOT Hello All, Today marks the four week anniversary of my short flight across the garage and my crash landing. I had x-rays of the fractured hip today. No deterioration but no new bone growth either. The doctor said new bone growth should show up on the x-rays in another two weeks. And he will not authorize any rehab until he sees new bone growth. So the layout sits upstairs and I sit downstairs for at least another two weeks. Those stair elevator chairs are beginning to look like a good investment - lol! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52353	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/27/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Progress - NOT

David, I am sorry to hear about your accident. I too, had fractured my hip in 2007. I it is a long process to heal, but hopefully you will be fine in about 2 to 3 months. I hope! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Progress - NOT Hello All, Today marks the four week anniversary of my short flight across the garage and my crash landing. I had x-rays of the fractured hip today. No deterioration but no new bone growth either. The doctor said new bone growth should show up on the x-rays in another two weeks. And he will not authorize any rehab until he sees new bone growth. So the layout sits upstairs and I sit downstairs for at least another two weeks. Those stair elevator chairs are beginning to look like a good investment - lol! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52354	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Bill,   First, I apologize for taking such a hard stand. You and I agree that this IS a hobby and should be treated as such. I think I can answer the question about why They don't release obsolete data. More than likely they have built upon that data to advance the product.   One other reason is shown by a recent design by Bruce Chubb for an electronic Grade crossing and Flasher circuit with an electronic bell. The LEDs dim and brighten just like the prototype and there is a circuit that operates a Tortoise stall motor to raise and lower the gates. Bruce was about to release it when the sound chip manufacture redesigned the chip pinouts. The old chip had been eliminated from production by the manufacturer and the whole circuit board had to be completely redesigned. It took almost a year due to other obligations. It works great but non-Surface-mount electronic components are becoming harder to find so we do-it-yourselfers are often out of luck even if we have the skills.   I love this hobby and right now, I am going back to my workbench to remotor an old Brass Tenshoda NYC Mohawk. I have the parts <VBG>   Off of my soapbox now, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52355	From: G C	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

I've been reading this thread for a few days now. What I'm going to say may be deemed naive or even negative by some of you, but these are my own observations. 1. Old Flyer can be made to run when broke. You either find some used or reproduction parts and move on If that doesn't suit, you pop in a can motor or an inexpensive rectifier from radio shack or some other source. 2. While watching the Explorer show about Toy Trains on National Geo., (I've seen the show a few times). This is the one that is about the history of Lionel. In the show Lionel boasts about how good business is and how much they are selling these days. Telling the public that trains are still in. 3. If number two is correct, then Lionel sees their stuff in the same light as "throw away electronics". if it breaks, you just throw it away and buy a new one. I guess that's easy when they mass produce electronics. hey what a profit margin. maybe they see it like its a TV set. Who fixes them anymore? 4. Don't know what the answer is, but on my retirement budget, I'm not about to pay $500 for a locomotive that can't be made to run again when it no longer will. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52356	From: Bill Adams	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Wiring & Lamps Advice

My table is 5' x 11' with a #2 and a #18B transformer operating three separate layouts. I have ten lighted bumpers insulated from their sidings, a half dozen street lamps, two aircraft beacons, a diesel horn, a water tank, a Mystic Station and twenty buildings with screw- in type miniature bulb sockets - with an assortment of unknown type lamps. I have run 3 "base post" buss bars and 3 "7-15 post" buss bars with 14 gauge wires - - one each at each end of the lay out so the leads to each accessory averages 12" to 24". I have three questions. #1 What is the best gauge wire to run to each accessory? #2 What is the best size/type lamp to use in my accessories? #3 Am I safe to hook all of these accessories into one #2 transformer designated for accessories only? Any help/advice is appreciated. I am "electrically challenged"! (i.e. I can change light bulbs, I know how to turn off the house circuit breakers and know the phone number for the fire department.....other than that I am winging it!) Bill in Rochester

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52357	From: William Porter	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: Wiring & Lamps Advice

Hi Bill, Here is one set of opinions. There are bound to be others. #1 – For such short runs (24 inches max from the distribution terminals) 20 gauge should be fine. #2 – If you can find the will to do it, switch as many lamps as you can to LED types. There are screw-in replacements for a couple of bucks each or you can buy LEDs and resistors for a lot less from a variety of electronics parts suppliers. I like Jameco and AllElectronics, but Digikey is also good. Radio Shack is a little steep but very convenient for the resistors. You would want the high-output LEDs. This last Christmas, I noticed a lot of LED light strings. That should be a good source if you are willing to cut and solder. LEDs work fine with AC or DC. I try to balance the polarities for the ones I use on AC since they are rectifiers. You will need one, small resistor for each LED. If you have an 18 volt AC lighting buss, use at least 870 ohms. For 14 volt AC, use at least 670 ohms. One-quarter watt resistors will handle the load OK. #3 – By my count, you had about 40 lamps. If those are all incandescent types, the draw is about 2 ½ amps. At 14 volts, that will use nearly 40 watts of power, so, one transformer should do the job. The accessories should be powered by a different transformer – the fixed terminals on the 18B will do the job. Those things are only powered when the button is pushed, so, unless you push them all at once and run two lighted passenger trains at the same time, you should be fine. If you do switch to LEDs for lighting, the power requirements drop to just a bit more than ½ amp or 7 watts and the lights will last longer that you or I will. One rule of thumb for adding lamps to these circuits is that if you add a lamp and the others get dimmer, you have too many lamps on the circuit. You probably want to run another buss for the fixed voltage. Connect lamps to the base buss and to the accessory buss. Good Luck, Bill in Florida Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Adams Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:12 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring & Lamps Advice My table is 5' x 11' with a #2 and a #18B transformer operating three separate layouts. I have ten lighted bumpers insulated from their sidings, a half dozen street lamps, two aircraft beacons, a diesel horn, a water tank, a Mystic Station and twenty buildings with screw- in type miniature bulb sockets - with an assortment of unknown type lamps. I have run 3 "base post" buss bars and 3 "7-15 post" buss bars with 14 gauge wires - - one each at each end of the lay out so the leads to each accessory averages 12" to 24". I have three questions. #1 What is the best gauge wire to run to each accessory? #2 What is the best size/type lamp to use in my accessories? #3 Am I safe to hook all of these accessories into one #2 transformer designated for accessories only? Any help/advice is appreciated. I am "electrically challenged"! (i.e. I can change light bulbs, I know how to turn off the house circuit breakers and know the phone number for the fire department.....other than that I am winging it!) Bill in Rochester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52358	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

When my Mikado breaks I plan on doing something similar to below, or install a 3rd party sound system or control. I do much the same thing with old flyer. (so what is different here) There are those on the list that pull out mechanical reverse units. Just pretend the electronics are mechanical and do the same thing. A gutted Mikado and a gutted pacific are essentially the same thing (after gutting) except the Mikado looks better. MK >--- On Wed, 1/28/09, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: >1. Old Flyer can be made to run when broke. You either find some used or >reproduction parts and move on If that doesn't suit, you pop in a can >motor or an inexpensive rectifier from radio shack or some other source.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52359	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Hi Gene,   ===== I've been reading this thread for a few days now. What I'm going to say may be deemed naive or even negative by some of you, but these are my own observations. =====   You are not negative nor niave. You are like everyone else, myself included, disappointed and shocked at today's prices. In 1981, I purchased my first home for less than $18,000. Today, most new cars with no frills cost twice that. I never dreamed that I would have to take out a second mortgage to buy a car.   ===== 1. Old Flyer can be made to run when broke. You either find some used or reproduction parts and move on If that doesn't suit, you pop in a can motor or an inexpensive rectifier from radio shack or some other source =====   I've probbly said more than my share on this thread but here goes. Gene, you are absolutely right. on #1. Old Flyer can be fixed and they will probably be fixable as long as there is someone, obviously NOT Lionel, willing to invest the time and money into making reproduction parts. Flyer was made to be repaired, just like most everything else back in the 1940's. We had manufactuirers that employed American workers in American factories. We also sold our products to other countries. Today, the reverse is the fact. We make NOTHING. We IMPORT everything. Even American-based companies rarely have a manufacturing plant in the US. Can moors are made overseas as well as the rectifiers at Radio Shack.   ===== 3. <snip> maybe they see it like its a TV set. Who fixes them anymore? =====   Today's students don't study to repair things anymore. They want to make their first million by handling other people's money, not investing their own. As far as the TV is concerned, show me an AMERICAN-Made TV, just one. When we don't make them, we can't repair them.   ===== 4. Don't know what the answer is, but on my retirement budget, I'm not about to pay $500 for a locomotive that can't be made to run again when it no longer will. ===== I'm living on my pension as well. Unfortunately, even with all of my persuasive charm and ability to influence the global economy, I have still not found any manufacturer that will cut their prices back to the 1940's prices. I even promised that I would buy stuff if they would do that. I'm still waiting for replies from most of them. As far as making them run again, if they have a regular motor and can pick up electricity through their wheels, it can be made run again. You may no longer have the sound, smooth control, or electronic wiz-bangs but anyone with basic soldering skills can make any locomotive run as long as the mechanism still works. The $500.00 price tag is like the $30,000 car price. Unless you buy junk and restore it, new merchandise will always cost more than it did 60 years ago.   Just watch what happens when all of those farms sold to developers for housing that no one will be able to afford, no longer produce food. When we are the country that needs to import wheat, toy trains will no longer be that important. Wondering why a loaf of bread cost $50.00 will grab your attention.   A little scary to think of that.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52360	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Nick Kulp wrote: > > One other reason is shown by a recent design by Bruce Chubb for an > electronic Grade crossing and Flasher circuit with an electronic bell. > The LEDs dim and brighten just like the prototype and there is a circuit > that operates a Tortoise stall motor to raise and lower the gates. I'm an old electronics guy and computer geek by trade. I teach computer science classes at a local community college. One day I was looking at one of my 759 Danger Bell crossings and wondered what I could do to make it look more realistic but not heavily modify it. This is the result: http://www.acgilbert.net/759c.htm I am currently building a CNC controlled plasma cutter, a lot of the same techniques could be used to drive stepper motors and other gadgets for model railroading. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52361	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Actually, in my admittedly limited experience repairing trains and talking with real repairmen, electronic stuff is sometimes easier to fix: One just has to replace boards and other components in some cases. Many times, this ain¹t cheap of course. I can¹t imagine that any toy train could not be fixed, given replacement of enough components. At some point it does become a question of is it economically good sense to do so. But , Gene, et al, I think that it comes down to competition, as well as the bottom line. For example, if f SHS went the electronics route and AM or Flyonel did not, I can tell you who would be selling the most trains-SHS. on 1/28/09 10:13 AM, G C at ecphora123@... wrote: > > > > I've been reading this thread for a few days now. What I'm going to say may be > deemed naive or even negative by some of you, but these are my own > observations. > > 1. Old Flyer can be made to run when broke. You either find some used or > reproduction parts and move on If that doesn't suit, you pop in a can motor or > an inexpensive rectifier from radio shack or some other source. > > 2. While watching the Explorer show about Toy Trains on National Geo., (I've > seen the show a few times). This is the one that is about the history of > Lionel. In the show Lionel boasts about how good business is and how much they > are selling these days. Telling the public that trains are still in. > > 3. If number two is correct, then Lionel sees their stuff in the same light as > "throw away electronics". if it breaks, you just throw it away and buy a new > one. I guess that's easy when they mass produce electronics. hey what a profit > margin. maybe they see it like its a TV set. Who fixes them anymore? > > 4. Don't know what the answer is, but on my retirement budget, I'm not about > to pay $500 for a locomotive that can't be made to run again when it no longer > will. > > Gene Cimino > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52362	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: And even more thoughts on electronics...!

I see by reading this discussion that we have come to the conclusion that electronics are here to stay in O and S gauge. (The reason I include O gauge is because happenings there affect us too.) Lionel, and some others, don't supply parts in anything like the necessary numbers, and the circuit schematics are Top Secret. Electronics change almost too fast for hobbyists or small manufacturers to keep up with. There ARE alternatives, such as ripping out the dead boards and running an after market reverse unit, or going to DCC or DC and run it like HO. Okay, while our blood pressure is up, here's another Joker in the deck....What effect will this economy have on the new toy train market as far as electronics are concerned? Obviously LESS parts will be stocked now! Will we get "circuit board ready" locos in the future? The same, proven locos already made with reverse, headlite, and smoke. But this one has a plug for the owner to add his own sound or control. Probably not...That would be too much like "DCC Ready." There's no way to force the customer into proprietary sound and control systems. Oh, well, it was just a dream... Stumpy Stone...giving food for thought from icy Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52363	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: 752 coal loader

Another question for the group. I am in the process of re-assembling a 752 after completely stripping and re-painting it. Looking good so far. My question is this: At the top of the tower where the shaft goes thru, holding the top of the track, that the bucket carriage rolls on: is the shaft straight or does it have a bend formed in it? The shaft I took out has a bend and I need to know if I need to straighten it. Will post before and after pictures, upon completion. In advance, thanks as usual for the help. Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52364	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: The real cost of electronics?

Nick-   Not a problem, I agree that the electronic world is becoming increasingly unfriendly to the hobbiest - check out the diminishing selection of electronic parts at Radio Shack. But unlike a failed mechanical part, an electronic part cannot be reproduced on a lathe or with patience with a drill motor and a file.At best a handwiring of the new chip to mate with the old chip pin arrangement could be done. Like many other modern devices, the electronics are manufactured to be thrown away and replaced as a whole. That would be fine if the manufacturers continued to make the whole available, but like the sound of steam pc board, the electronic unit is made in a batch and when that batch is gone, the owner of a failed unit is sol.   Bill --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The real cost of electronics? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:31 PM Bill,   First, I apologize for taking such a hard stand. You and I agree that this IS a hobby and should be treated as such. I think I can answer the question about why They don't release obsolete data. More than likely they have built upon that data to advance the product.   One other reason is shown by a recent design by Bruce Chubb for an electronic Grade crossing and Flasher circuit with an electronic bell. The LEDs dim and brighten just like the prototype and there is a circuit that operates a Tortoise stall motor to raise and lower the gates. Bruce was about to release it when the sound chip manufacture redesigned the chip pinouts. The old chip had been eliminated from production by the manufacturer and the whole circuit board had to be completely redesigned. It took almost a year due to other obligations. It works great but non-Surface- mount electronic components are becoming harder to find so we do-it-yourselfers are often out of luck even if we have the skills.   I love this hobby and right now, I am going back to my workbench to remotor an old Brass Tenshoda NYC Mohawk. I have the parts <VBG>   Off of my soapbox now, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52365	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website

Good evening, all. It's been quite a while since I last posted to the group. In addition to getting the new issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine together, I've been working on a new Website. I am pleased to announce that it will be up and running this Monday, Feb. 2, 9am. I've asked my Web hosting service to take down the current site. The domain name will remain the same, but there will be new e-mail addresses. The new site will have a whole new look and, of course, you'll be able to subscribe and purchase the current issue online. Back issues initially will be via a link to download a PDF form, but in the future all back issue will also be available for online purchase. Advertisers and prospective advertisers will be able to download the current rate card and reserve advertising space. I hope you will check it out and let me know what you think. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52366	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: More thoughts on electronics...

Sometimes I wish that American Flyer had gone to DC and stayed with it, since a DC locomotive is so much simpler to wire, there are no reverse units to cause problems, and no worries about an unlocked locomotive hitting a dead spot and reversing directions. But since I can get most Gilbert AF AC locomotives to run reliably, and want to keep them original, I have DPDT switches to switch between AC and DC power on my layout. I prefer DC, and run S Helper and American Models locomotives, and some repainted and/or kitbashed AF ones, on DC. I had problems with the early Lionel/AF PA1's (B&O, SP, and Erie), eventually converting them to the newer Lionel can motors, which are DC, and removing the electronic reverse units in the process. I converted the UP and MP PA1's, which already had the newer motors, to DC also, just by removing the electronics. Wiring is very simple, since it's direct from the motor to the electrical pickups. The new DC motors are very reliable anyway. I have also converted S Helper and American Models locos to straight DC. So if you are willing to have a "high tech" engine keep running after the electronics fail, many times it's possible to just gut the electronics and run it as straight DC. I suppose that you could rework it then with DCC, but I'm no expert on DCC, and that's another topic. Also, aren't there reverse units made by other manufacturers (like Dallee) that will replace the bad ones to still make them run on AC? Mike Vana Omaha, NE. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11640 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52367	From: Firewood	Date: 1/28/2009
Subject: Re: And even more thoughts on electronics...!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I see by reading this discussion that we have come to the conclusion > that electronics are here to stay in O and S gauge. Call it the cold numbing my brain, but the electronics are merely to create the illusion of a real live snorting steam and/or diesel locomotive. I suggest we go back to basics and recall exactly what drives our models.......prototype here: http://wegmuller.org/v-web/gallery/Heisler/SwissElectric And I must dig up that old NMRA Bulletin article where an enterprising gent had built a live steam Heisler using track power to power a resistance coil (nichrome wire)in the boiler.....and yes, it was S scale. Wouldn't it be grand......naaaaah... Thirty below in the wind, ice and snow...... Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52368	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website

Hi Bob: Would you give the site address once again? Thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Robert Nalbone wrote: > > Good evening, all. It's been quite a while since I last posted to the > group. In addition to getting the new issue of the 1:64 Modeling > Guide magazine together, I've been working on a new Website. I am > pleased to announce that it will be up and running this Monday, Feb. > 2, 9am. I've asked my Web hosting service to take down the current > site. > > The domain name will remain the same, but there will be new e-mail > addresses. > > The new site will have a whole new look and, of course, you'll be able > to subscribe and purchase the current issue online. Back issues > initially will be via a link to download a PDF form, but in the future > all back issue will also be available for online purchase. > > Advertisers and prospective advertisers will be able to download the > current rate card and reserve advertising space. > > I hope you will check it out and let me know what you think. > > Bob Nalbone > Editor & Publisher > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52369	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: About electronic reverse units

Mike, Dallee Electronics makes two electronic AC/DC reverse units. The #518 is a 2 amp unit for can motors and the $400 is a 4 amp unit suitable for Flyer series AC motors. Both of them will function on either AC or DC power. The retail prices are Appx. $40 and $45 respectively. They are very reliable and I have installed many dozens of them in Flyer locos. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/28/2009 8:43:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, amflyer@... writes: Also, aren't there reverse units made by other manufacturers (like Dallee) that will replace the bad ones to still make them run on AC? Mike Vana Omaha, NE. **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52370	From: Gil Henke	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@... > > Another question for the group. I am in the process of re-assembling a 752 after completely stripping and re-painting it. Looking good so far. My question is this: At the top of the tower where the shaft goes thru, holding the top of the track, that the bucket carriage rolls on: is the shaft straight or does it have a bend formed in it? The shaft I took out has a bend and I need to know if I need to straighten it. Will post before and after pictures, upon completion. In advance, thanks as usual for the help. Larry Moore ________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009 > According to the diagram of lthe 752 in the service manual, the shaft has a slight bend near the end farthest from the bucket carriage track. Gil Henke- ca1800s > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52371	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains...How did we get here?

Are electronics necessarily bad? No! So what is the problem? The way they are packaged and sold, and a lack of service after the sale. To their credit, American Models and S Helper Service make locomotives which can be had in a variety of ways...AC, DC, DCC, with and without sound, etc. You have choices and they help their customers. Not so with Flyonel, which locks you into an "everything but the kitchen sink" type proprietary system. A system they have failed to support, and even change from time to time to force you to upgrade. To understand how this happened is a complicated journey involving lawsuits and holding companies in a fight between Lionel and MTH to capture and hold O gauge customers for themselves. S gauge is the victim of "fallout" from this ongoing spat. We're stuck with Lionel electronics because that's the system they use in their more popular O gauge. Picture Godzilla and King Kong fighting it out and you own a hobby shop in Tokyo! But fear not! Unwary HO customers who buy a new MTH HO gauge loco are finding that they are stuck with the even worse DCS system! Stumpy Stone...coated with icy in East Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52372	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website

The address is/will be: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com. Bob (keeping my fingers crossed!) ________________________________ From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:55:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Hi Bob: Would you give the site address once again? Thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Robert Nalbone wrote: > > Good evening, all. It's been quite a while since I last posted to the > group. In addition to getting the new issue of the 1:64 Modeling > Guide magazine together, I've been working on a new Website. I am > pleased to announce that it will be up and running this Monday, Feb. > 2, 9am. I've asked my Web hosting service to take down the current > site. > > The domain name will remain the same, but there will be new e-mail > addresses. > > The new site will have a whole new look and, of course, you'll be able > to subscribe and purchase the current issue online. Back issues > initially will be via a link to download a PDF form, but in the future > all back issue will also be available for online purchase. > > Advertisers and prospective advertisers will be able to download the > current rate card and reserve advertising space. > > I hope you will check it out and let me know what you think. > > Bob Nalbone > Editor & Publisher > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52373	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader

Thank You To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: gilberthenke74@...: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:33:18 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 752 coal loader --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > Another question for the group. I am in the process of re-assembling a 752 after completely stripping and re-painting it. Looking good so far. My question is this: At the top of the tower where the shaft goes thru, holding the top of the track, that the bucket carriage rolls on: is the shaft straight or does it have a bend formed in it? The shaft I took out has a bend and I need to know if I need to straighten it. Will post before and after pictures, upon completion. In advance, thanks as usual for the help. Larry Moore__________________________________________________________> Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009> According to the diagram of lthe 752 in the service manual, the shaft has a slight bend near the end farthest from the bucket carriage track. Gil Henke- ca1800s> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail� goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52374	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: About electronic reverse units

I put a #400 in my 336 a few years ago and while at it I added a smoke ON/OFF switch. Never ran better. Best part is you can change direction at a snail's pace. The Gilbert electromechanical reverse units typically need about 10V to trigger. The Dallee, dare I say electronic, units much less than that. Don't much care for their sound units. Not because the sounds are poor (although that is the case in SHS 2-8-0's so equipped), but due to their keen sensitivity to other powered units and/or illuminated cars on the tracks with them (recommended to install chokes in them to help - - hassle) and in some cases requirement to use a Locomatic box to activate horn, bell, etc. Another hassle. My AM Trainmasters have Dallee sound and they sound great, but I must use a LM box with them and if an illuminated caboose or other car(s) is in the same train the horn works very intermittently.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52375	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains...How did we get here?

Stumpy,   You have hit the nail on the head again. As an early computer geek, I bought the "best" system after careful study and research. Ths was pre-PC days. It was an Atari 400. Progress, caused frequent upgrades and old software was not carried over.   Smarter people finally stopped the proprietory fights after the public settled on the PC as the standard. Not the best, but the most compatible.   I bought a Beta VCR. I Still have a 35mm Canon AE camera, I have trays of 35mm slides, and I still have an 8 mm projector and movies I took in the late 1970's and 80's.  I built the CTC-16 system and used that in my HO locos and surprise, my huge investment was negated by DCC. Each time I tried to hang on to use what I had until critical pieces were no longer available.   ======= But fear not!  Unwary HO customers who buy a new MTH HO gauge loco are finding that they are stuck with the even worse DCS system! =======   Fortunately, HO modelers have been exposed to NMRA standards that help keep things compatible. Folks like MTH might sell some of their garbage to newbies but they will soon learn that if it can't be used to it's full capacity within the NMRA standards, they will be the subject of some pretty stiff retribution from the majority of scale modelers. BLI company had a nice idea with their Blueline series of non-DCC / DCC capable Blueline series of locomotives. They soon discovered that the variations of DCC firmware, system capabilities, and older DCC systems caused a Ton of complaints and warranty returns from the HO modelers. They have ceased production of Blueline locos and are working on a more compatible design. Older Blueline locos are being dumped by dealers at bargain basement prices.   Mike has two problems. Non-compatibility with the DCC standards and grossly over-priced models because of his electronics. He might make some nice models but anyone that created the problem with DCC sound system releases because of his lawsuits, already has enough of us hating him. He should remain in the tinplate area and stay away from a group that already dislikes him and his company. (personal rant end)   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52376	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: amtrak

I'm getting a train like amtrak. Is it s-train or is it another size? Thanks!! Calvin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52377	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak

Not sure I understand the question. American Models does make an AMTRAK set. Looks and runs good! And it is S! Bill At 04:04 PM 1/29/2009, Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. wrote: >I'm getting a train like amtrak. Is it s-train or is it another size? >Thanks!! Calvin. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52378	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Further http://wegmuller.org/v-web/gallery/Heisler/SwissElectricthou

- GreetingS - Many thanks to "Firewood" for finding the photos from David Wegmuller. The Heisler is beautiful. No doubt David is proud, justly so, of this locomotive. Photos 1-12 give us great views of the left side. Surely the right side is as handsome. Photo 15 seems to be the loco of choice. It appears to be a dual-fuel loco burning electricity and/or oil. Must be some combustion that requires a smoke stack. Then, for operating in and around a TNT plant in Scandinavia, it switches to electricity on the outside and stored heat inside the plant -0 no sparks, no embers, no flames. Obviously the running gear is an 0-6-0, mostly switch engine with appropriate main and side rods. This is a modeling insppiration. Let me get to the work bench. Photo 19 appears to be a "Box'ed cab Shay" with a happy-looking mascot on the front platform. "Firewood', thanks much. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52379	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak

American Models did produce an S guage Amtrak train. Check their website.   Bob --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. <mrcalvincevansjr@...> wrote: From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. <mrcalvincevansjr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] amtrak To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 4:04 PM I'm getting a train like amtrak. Is it s-train or is it another size? Thanks!! Calvin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52380	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak

At 04:04 PM 1/29/2009, Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. wrote: >I'm getting a train like amtrak. Is it s-train or is it another size? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Clark Not sure I understand the question.. . . . . . . . . . .> > > > > > > > > > > None of us understood the question. It's like saying I'm buying a new car next week. Guess which brand. To Mr Evens I would ask, In what ways is it "like amtrak"? And I would suggest that when you get it, if it comes with track, measure the inside distance between the rails. If it's about 7 eights of an inch, it's S gauge. Or it you're getting it new in the box, read the box and see if it says S or 1/64 anywhere on it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52381	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website

Dear Bob, You have our permission to use any of our SHS images on our website or ones I post on the yahoo e-groups for your magazines. Best, Don On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Robert Nalbone wrote: > The address is/will be: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com. > > Bob (keeping my fingers crossed!) > > ________________________________ > From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:55:52 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website > > Hi Bob: > Would you give the site address once again? > Thanks > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > Robert Nalbone wrote: > > > > Good evening, all. It's been quite a while since I last posted to > the > > group. In addition to getting the new issue of the 1:64 Modeling > > Guide magazine together, I've been working on a new Website. I am > > pleased to announce that it will be up and running this Monday, Feb. > > 2, 9am. I've asked my Web hosting service to take down the current > > site. > > > > The domain name will remain the same, but there will be new e-mail > > addresses. > > > > The new site will have a whole new look and, of course, you'll be > able > > to subscribe and purchase the current issue online. Back issues > > initially will be via a link to download a PDF form, but in the > future > > all back issue will also be available for online purchase. > > > > Advertisers and prospective advertisers will be able to download the > > current rate card and reserve advertising space. > > > > I hope you will check it out and let me know what you think. > > > > Bob Nalbone > > Editor & Publisher > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52382	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 1/29/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website

Thank you very much, Don. Much appreciated. Regards, Bob ________________________________ From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:27:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Dear Bob, You have our permission to use any of our SHS images on our website or ones I post on the yahoo e-groups for your magazines. Best, Don On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Robert Nalbone wrote: > The address is/will be: www.1-64ModelingGui de.com. > > Bob (keeping my fingers crossed!) > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@gmail. com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:55:52 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website > > Hi Bob: > Would you give the site address once again? > Thanks > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > Robert Nalbone wrote: > > > > Good evening, all. It's been quite a while since I last posted to > the > > group. In addition to getting the new issue of the 1:64 Modeling > > Guide magazine together, I've been working on a new Website. I am > > pleased to announce that it will be up and running this Monday, Feb. > > 2, 9am. I've asked my Web hosting service to take down the current > > site. > > > > The domain name will remain the same, but there will be new e-mail > > addresses. > > > > The new site will have a whole new look and, of course, you'll be > able > > to subscribe and purchase the current issue online. Back issues > > initially will be via a link to download a PDF form, but in the > future > > all back issue will also be available for online purchase. > > > > Advertisers and prospective advertisers will be able to download the > > current rate card and reserve advertising space. > > > > I hope you will check it out and let me know what you think. > > > > Bob Nalbone > > Editor & Publisher > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52383	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains...How did we get there? (specifically, in 1950

Hi Gang, At Amherst I acquired one of those AF 110 VAC diesel horn generators that was included in the first two Sante Fe Alco sets. To satisfy my curiosity I want to get it properly operating. I have the schematic but no copy of the hook-up instructions. If any of you have them & would like to provide scans, then that'd be great. If you don't have the instructions but know the connections for the three wires that are tethered to it, then that'd be nice to receive. The switch is a two position, SPDT shorting rotary that's supposed to spring back to a normal position. The spring was disconnected at one end and Doug Peck very kindly examined a unit that he had & helped to clarify where it gets connected. The spring is self-evidently tensil but doesn't propel the switch. I'm not yet sure if a part's missing from the switch, or if perhaps, a drive pin that secures several components to the shaft has to be peaned in. If I can't get the switch to mechanically function as intended, then I think that a pushbutton operating a set of relays could successfully replace it. Another possibility is to find a dealer with NOS Mallory or Centralab switches. I intend to share whatever I learn as a result of this undertaking. I am appalled the the device lacks a power switch & fuse protection. I'll be adding them IF I get the thing operational. Thanks, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52384	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics summation?

I would say that we've pretty well covered this subject, unless anyone has further thoughts. If you do, please jump in here! As with all technologies, electronics are a double edged sword, one side good, one side bad. As far as S gauge trains are concerned, we have manufacturers who are trying to do their best and others who are just rolling over the customer, and this is not the fault of the circuitry. Many of our fellow S Trains gang are quite happy with electronics, understand them, and have not had a problem. For those of us who have seen trouble with electronics, we have discussed the alternatives, be it running old Flyer, AC with an electronic reverse unit, DCC, straight DC power, or various combinations. As far as the future availibility of replacement circuit boards, I can only give you the words of the old preacher in the movie Blazing Saddles; "Son, you're on your own." Stumpy Stone...trapped at home due to weather for yet another day in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52385	From: cornwall9	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: White Mung on equipment

Friends, Recently, my daughter inherited a nice American Flyer collection from her Godfather. When he passed, it was in November and the basement where the trains were stored became damp and cold. When I was able to pick them up after the will settlement, it was August. After examinig the equipment, I saw several pieces had a white, "mold or mildew"-like powder on the trucks, frames, and link couplers. Several of the boxes were also full of mildew and were in pretty bad shape. I have Flyer equipment but it has never had this kind of problem. It was always kept in a warm and dry location. Does anyone have any information on how to clean this "mung" from the cars without causing damage to them? Any help is appreciated. Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52386	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

Using a hair dryer (as suggested here in the past) has worked for me. It liquifies (that word right?) the white gunk and it can be wiped off. Rick. On Jan 30, 2009, at 9:24 AM, cornwall9 wrote: > Friends, > > Recently, my daughter inherited a nice American Flyer collection from > her Godfather. When he passed, it was in November and the basement > where the trains were stored became damp and cold. When I was able to > pick them up after the will settlement, it was August. > > After examinig the equipment, I saw several pieces had a white, "mold > or mildew"-like powder on the trucks, frames, and link couplers. > Several of the boxes were also full of mildew and were in pretty bad > shape. > > I have Flyer equipment but it has never had this kind of problem. It > was always kept in a warm and dry location. Does anyone have any > information on how to clean this "mung" from the cars without causing > damage to them? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Nick Kulp > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52387	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics in Trains -- How did we get here? - Digest Number 4345

Well, that's one opinion. ;-) For many of us, TMCC is the CC system of choice. The new Legacy system is technically sophisticated, yet exceedingly simple to add to an existing conventional layout, and very robust. Legacy has a lot of "room to grow into" for the future. A TMCC/Cab-1 set up is downright cheap to buy. With the use of TPCs or a modern ZW, one has walk-around control of any AC-powered conventional model/toy train ever made in the last 100 years with no modifications, whatsoever -- something DCC can't do. "Lack of support"? The basic boards are available from Lionel and upgrade boards are available from the Electric RR Company (now a subsidiary of Lionel). Name me another company that is gearing up to do a reasonably affordable UP Big Boy in S with the equivalent of Legacy features in the face of a serious recession. The Mike and Pacific are fully compatible with Legacy Cab-2 and the new BB will be back compatible with Cab-1. Lionel is a much larger company than our good friends at AM and SHS with a very different business model. Lionel LLC is a descendent (the only descendent?) of the type of toy train company run by the likes of Gilbert, Cowen, and Marx for whom large volume sales was the key to making a profit. Within that context, we have seen in the last few years goodies like the C&A and Blue Comet passenger sets, reissues of the early scale-style Gilbert signals and crossing flashers, decently done new heavyweights, and the new Freedom Train (which is a creditable representation of the real train, turned out much better than what was described in the catalog, and has completely slipped under the radar around here). As with any supplier, use what works for you and pass on the rest. :) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/30/2009 7:54:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: To their credit, American Models and S Helper Service make locomotives which can be had in a variety of ways...AC, DC, DCC, with and without sound, etc. You have choices and they help their customers. Not so with Flyonel, which locks you into an "everything but the kitchen sink" type proprietary system. A system they have failed to support, and even change from time to time to force you to upgrade. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/p m/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52388	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: ALCo PAs, AM & ACG

Just got question from customer. Will the windshield "glass" that comes with the American Models ALCo PA fit into the ACGilbert ALCo PA? Anybody tried it? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52389	From: Firewood	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: Further SwissElectric / oddball locomotives

The steam electric locos were an attempt to use cheap hydro-electric power instead of hard-to-get wartime coal. The stack was still needed for exhaust, but the boiler was heated by an immersion element. More here: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/swisselec/swisselc.htm All sorts of strange beasts here: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/locoloco.htm including the steam-diesel locomotive.......yes, it was British..... Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52390	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Trains as investment NO!

I was looking for something on AF and I came across this, as Tom Jarcho was well known in the AF world. He lived in NYC, loved AF as he had these great floor layouts in his apartment, but sadly he died in his early 50's a few years ago. Tom and I would write about Baseball. I think this is a interesting piece he wrote about trains not being a investment, as I completely agree. I thought I would share with those in the O world on the TTML, as it applies to all trains and many in the S world are new to the group and may not know of Tom. I still have a few emails from him in my computer. Mike Marmer TOY TRAINS: A POOR INVESTMENT by Tom Jarcho American Flyer trains are many things -- entertaining toys, a fascinating hobby, mementos of a better time, tokens of family love past and present. One thing they are not, however, is a good financial investment. If you think of your Flyer collection chiefly in terms of dollars and cents, you are on the wrong track. Toy trains, and especially American Flyer, should never be considered an investment. It is extremely difficult if not impossible to get back the money you put into them. Buy trains that you like and can afford, and enjoy operating and collecting them. Do not count on getting back the money you spend or you will very likely lose your shirt. There is a great deal of confusion about this issue in the hobby, but almost anyone in the toy train business will tell you the same thing: trains are not a serious investment vehicle. There are many reasons why this is true. PRICES There are several sources that publish price guides and other listings which claim to be accurate valuations of the various values and prices of toy train items. The figures they quote are mythical: a toy train item is worth exactly what you can get for it, and that is almost never going to be more than a fraction of the published price. While you may be able to occasionally get full "retail price" for a desirable item from another hobbyist, most people do not have the means to realize these prices on a whole collection. These books are helpful only in terms of evaluating the relative scarcity between one item and another. SELLING YOUR COLLECTION It is most unlikely that you can realize the full retail price of a whole collection. If you have a large list of people who are actively buying what you have to sell, you may be able to get good prices for it. However, only a handful of dealers have such a client list. Most people in the hobby do not. You can advertise your wares in hobby magazines and sell them off by mail order. You can drag your collection to train show after train show and gradually sell it off. Both these methods are slow and awkward. Again, chances are that you will have to choose between selling at lower prices than book value or not selling at all. Also, it is highly unlikely that your heirs will have the knowledge to do this if the trains are sold after you die. Finally, your collection can be sold at auction, but this is a crap shoot. Items that you paid "full price" for may go for peanuts or be unsold, to be returned by the auctioneer. Even if your stuff sells well, you must pay commissions and shipping charges, and the process is likely to take some time. Selling by internet auction is unpredictable -- the best items will probably be "cherry-picked", leaving a mass of common stuff that must be unloaded cheaply. SELLING TO A DEALER Most large collections end up getting sold to a dealer or group of dealers. No one else will generally buy toy trains in large lots. Since the "book value" does represent the highest possible price a dealer can resell your items for, you will be lucky to realize between 30 and 60 percent of book value from him. Often, dealers offer less, and you may have no choice but to accept. They are not being unfair. It is simply that dealers have to make a profit and have expenses such as rent, preparing and reconditioning items for sale, advertising, transportation, interest, etc. Generally, the most you can expect from a dealer is 60 % of "book value" for very desirable items, and a lot less for most others. DEMAND Postwar American Flyer is even less suitable as an investment than other kinds of toy trains. Prices are dependent on demand, and there are fewer than 5,000 Flyer hobbyists. This figure has held steady for years as people join and leave the hobby in roughly equal numbers. At its peak, Gilbert sold about 1/3 as many trains as Lionel. Then, while Flyer was out of production for about 20 years, Lionel kept on going in one form or another, continuing to build a following. The demand for Flyer is nowhere near that for Lionel. Moreover, to compete with Lionel, AF trains had to be not only better looking but also more cheaply made. Therefore, they are much less durable. DECAY Many other factors are at work to reduce the value of a train collection. For one thing, these trains are old. Paper, cardboard, rubber, paint, early plastics and white metal are subject to decay. You may open a box, which may have faded or fallen apart, only to discover that your prize piece has crumbled to bits! Paint may peel off, decals may crack, colors may fade, plastics may warp. Bimetallic reactions, chemical reactions between two kinds of metal , are almost impossible to prevent. Consider some examples. The running gear and rods of a 322AC locomotive were made of steel, brass, cadmium, and nickel attached to a zinc alloy boiler. These metals and their oxides will react with each other over time, degrading the appearance of the loco. All Flyer PA's tend to develop a large unsightly crack in the nose. Streamlined observation cars tend to develop cracks in the rounded end. Heavyweight passenger car floors shrink enough to crack the screw holes in the car bodies and the cars then come apart. I have seen many steam locos that show signs of "white metal disease", in which the metal buckles and crumbles because of impurities in the alloy used. A few people such as myself are working hard to develop conservation techniques that will preserve as much as possible of our toy train heritage, but these techniques, if we can develop them, will be expensive. Meanwhile, your "investments" may fall apart! Some collectors who also think of themselves as investors limit their collecting to a few ultra expensive highly desirable pieces, especially mint items and boxed sets. They figure that they will make a profit in the end. This is far from certain. One must pay top prices for these items, and yet they are exactly the kinds of things that forgers and other unscrupulous persons target. Many boxed sets available today were actually assembled by collectors, and may contain forgeries, repro parts and paper, and items from the wrong year's production. The sole protection against train fraud is knowledge, which can only be obtained by owning, handling, and repairing a lot of trains. Ironically, an individual whose strategy is to own only a few items has less chance to obtain the knowledge to protect himself against sharp practices. He will also probably get a lot less pleasure from the hobby. REPRODUCTIONS A new element has begun to lower toy train values even further: the appearance of reproductions. Train prices are set by supply and demand. The value of a choice piece is high because many people want it. If the item is reproduced, many of these people will be happy with the reproduction and the demand for it will plummet. This is especially true in a small group such as American Flyer hobbyists. We have seen a lot of this in the Flyer world in the past few years. Ten years ago, the most desirable sets were the Northern, Union, and Missouri Pacific passenger sets, the "big three". Since these sets were callously reproduced by LTI, the prices or values of the originals have sunk considerably. For example, a gorgeous original nearly mint Missouri Pacific passenger set has sat unsold in my local train store for years, despite the fact that the asking price is half of what it once was. The more desirable and expensive a piece, the more likely it is to be reproduced. The growing popularity of newly manufactured items threatens to change the nature of the hobby. New items, reproductions or not, have found widespread acceptance in the last few years. While these items do not tend to hold their value, many people are quite happy with them. Advances in manufacturing techniques make it possible to produce better toy trains than ever before, and our national policy of exporting jobs keeps the prices down. I have seen train items that are made in China, assembled in Mexico, and packaged in the U.S. The low prices of new items exert a downward pressure on the prices of old trains. Beyond that, old trains may become a less and less important part of the hobby. Demand for them may simply wither away. The future is unclear. TRAINS AS AN INVESTMENT Let's compare Flyer trains to some other collectibles.. The first collectible was probably ancient coins. These had a bottom limit on their value -- the worth of the precious metals they contained. They offered several advantages -- they were often of historical interest, and, being small and easy to hide and transport, they represented a way to protect resources in troubled times. Unlike toy trains, they were simple, durable historical tokens of international appeal, desired and cherished worldwide. Later, stamps became a similar phenomenon, but we can learn a lesson from the philatelic world. A few years ago, demand for stamps suddenly decreased and prices in many cases fell through the floor. There is no reason why this should not happen in the world of toy trains. Now compare toy trains to legitimate investment vehicles such as stocks or bonds. The value of these investments may fluctuate, but their true value is generally known exactly. It is usually possible to sell them for their full current value in a reasonably short time in the financial markets. As I have shown, it is impossible to do this with toy trains, because the marketing mechanism simply does not exist. There is no stock exchange for toy trains. Trains are not easy to sell, and published prices are unobtainable. Demand can be fickle, and the market is uncertain. Trains are subject to decay. Let them enrich your life, but don't count on them financially. The goal of toy trains is and always has been to create happiness, but if you think of them as an investment you will end up very unhappy indeed! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52391	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: What to do tomorrow,

I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52392	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: ALCo PAs, AM & ACG

Hey Tom, I think the contours of each is a bit different. But it you have a spare AM windshield, I am willing to open up one of my ACG ALCo's to try.... See you at the meeting in February? Jerry Poniatowski "training" in my basement in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > Just got question from customer. > > Will the windshield "glass" that comes with the American Models ALCo PA fit into the ACGilbert ALCo PA? Anybody tried it? > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52393	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Re: amtrak

Congratulations on getting your new Amtrak. Are you getting any bailout money in the box with it? Just asking, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52394	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains...How did we get here? Digest 4345

BOB...I know you're closer to Lionel than the rest of us and everything you say about TMCC may be true (although I differ in the opinion that any electronic system is "cheap") Beyond question Lionel is making stuff we probably wouldn't see otherwise in S too. But what the system can do and how neat the trains look isn't the question. It's what do we do down the road about electronics? I don't see toy trains as a throw away item. Yes, the Lionel electronic stuff is LISTED, but for some reason rarely in stock. Even when we have sent locos back to Lionel for warranty work, the wait is two to five months and we are invariably told they are "waiting on parts." Occassionally, we can order parts and they come right away, usually mechanical or cosmetic items. Getting pre-TMCC electronic stuff is almost impossible. So like many other shops, we have taken to buying stuff from the parts dealers at York. Even the common electronic e-unit supplies are drying up and getting expensive. What do you tell the customer with a ten year old train with a bad e-unit and you can't get a replacement? Or the customer with the new loco which suddenly quit working at Christmas due to a board failure and they have been waiting for months for repair? If parts are this hard to come by for trains made now, what is the supply going to be like several years from now as newer electronics appear? I think it only smart to discuss what we're going to do about this problem as time passes. People come in the shop with electronic problems in all scales all the time these days, but way more in O and S gauges. If you get the idea that I am singling out Lionel electronics performance and parts supply for abuse, you don't want to hear what I think of MTH in this area! Stumpy Stone...former lover of "all the bells and whistles"...in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52395	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!

Amen. This really applies to all model trains and their associated railroadiana in the long run. Thanks for sending, Bill Winans I think this is a interesting piece he wrote about trains not being a investment... Mike Marmer TOY TRAINS: A POOR INVESTMENT by Tom Jarcho American Flyer trains are many things -- entertaining toys, a fascinating hobby, mementos of a better time, tokens of family love past and present. One thing they are not, however, is a good financial investment....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52396	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Not mine. Don PS She did go to the Springfield show last week, but that was work. On Jan 30, 2009, at 9:03 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house > tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no > baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. > > She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that > I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the > layout, that will be the answer. > > So, how many wives out there will say that? > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52397	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52398	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Mike, Not mine, I'm always on my own for shows. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52399	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains.. How did we get here? Digest 4345

Stumpy, I do not look upon toy/model trains as throw away items, either. Generally, I have had no problems obtaining parts that I needed. I have found that board failures usually occur early on when what may be an unusual replacement is available. This is why one should check out an engine or other complex toy train piece right away and skip the 'sealed in the box' syndrome. In the case of TMCC, I own O gauge Century Club 1 engines that are over a decade old and they still operate perfectly. Because TMCC is very pervasive and much of the hardware is fairly universal, direct replacements and work-arounds are doable. Individualized sound boards are a problem, consequently folks may have to settle for various generic sound boards in the future (as they usually do with DCC, by the way). I have done several upgrades of members of my O gauge roster with TAS and ERRCo. boards, so I am personally conditioned by experience to be less afraid of the future than some. The desire to upgrade features does create a demand for the production of boards that will substitute if a failure should occur. Just as secondary suppliers have jumped in the to fill the needs for repairing postwar and prewar trains, a similar situation is happening for the modern stuff. Frankly, I have a much, much greater concern for the replacement of detail pieces on the limited production engines than I do about addressing problems in the innards. I leave DCS to the hardened MTH fans because it is not an 'open' system with numerous licensees and a large user base, as is the case with TMCC. When one can buy a complete Cab-1/TMCC command base setup for $100, which makes an entire layout TMCC-capable -- that is "cheap" by any measure. There have been recent "blow outs" of some of the later-issued L-AF Mikes and Pacifics for ~$325, which is very affordable by the standards in our hobby. TMCC is readily accessible by the masses these days. The fun, in my view, out weighs the concerns. Oh, by the way, I have to call or order parts on line just like everyone else does. ;-) Have fun. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/31/2009 7:48:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: BOB...I know you're closer to Lionel than the rest of us and everything you say about TMCC may be true (although I differ in the opinion that any electronic system is "cheap") Beyond question Lionel is making stuff we probably wouldn't see otherwise in S too. But what the system can do and how neat the trains look isn't the question. It's what do we do down the road about electronics? I don't see toy trains as a throw away item. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52400	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!

I always said this is throw away money even back when I got into it in 1992. LOL RIP Tom Jarcho. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains as investment NO! Amen. This really applies to all model trains and their associated railroadiana in the long run. Thanks for sending, Bill Winans I think this is a interesting piece he wrote about trains not being a investment... Mike Marmer TOY TRAINS: A POOR INVESTMENT by Tom Jarcho American Flyer trains are many things -- entertaining toys, a fascinating hobby, mementos of a better time, tokens of family love past and present. One thing they are not, however, is a good financial investment.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52401	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Don, What! Robin not caring about a train show! Isn't she the main owner of S Helper trains? Just shocking, shocking I say. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, Not mine. Don PS She did go to the Springfield show last week, but that was work. On Jan 30, 2009, at 9:03 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house > tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no > baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. > > She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that > I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the > layout, that will be the answer. > > So, how many wives out there will say that? > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52402	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Good for you Mike!!!! Throw a Tom Waits CD on in the car cd player and go to a show, I always do. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52403	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Jim, Hee hee. Linda loves train shows and shops. She made me go to a cat show once and even she said never again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, Mike, Not mine, I'm always on my own for shows. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52404	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains.. How did we get here? Digest 4345

Hey Bob, I have never heard TMCC described as an 'open' system before! Do you believe Lionel would give permission to SHS to offer and sell their locos with TMCC installed, the way they can with DCC SoundTraxx decoders installed? Bill At 11:28 AM 1/31/2009, rbubeck327@... wrote: >I leave DCS to the hardened MTH fans because it is not an 'open' system with >numerous licensees and a large user base, as is the case with TMCC.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52405	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

UGH!!!! In a message dated 1/31/2009 8:51:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Good for you Mike!!!! Throw a Tom Waits CD on in the car cd player and go to a show, I always do. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help credit score. (_http://www.walletpohttp://www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_ (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52406	From: william cole	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

hope Timonium yields something good for you...the last one I went to was dismally attended, and the dealers were down in numbers (some dealers weren't too happy about it either....!!!)....I figure the Spring Thaw/First Frost at Allentown has much more S scale and gauge stuff than Timonium....kind of weird.....and the of course, the TCA in York usually yields some neat goodies.... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 1/31/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 12:01 AM Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpo p.com/credit/ credit-reports? ncid=emlcntuswal l00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52407	From: Matt	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Blatant Advertisement 2009 S Spree

Blatant Advertisement 2009 S Spree This is to inform anyone interested in information on the upcoming Spree That the particulars have been listed on our web site CVSGA.COM Please note and update your bookmarks as the site use to be cvsga.org (the .org is outdated and should be coming down shortly) If any one should have any questions feel free to contact me directly and I'll Do my best to get you an answer ASAP. Thanks Matt Ward Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52408	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains...How did we get here? Digest 4345

Stumpy,   I love this thread for one great reason. It truly shows the difference between the folks like us that have enjoyed the simple pleasures of electro-mechanical devices in the "toy" train hobby versus the more electronically seasoned HO scale modeler. Age is not a factor either. I have crew members in their 70's and 80's that understand the electronics as well as the new kids in the hobby.   As an HO scale modeler as well, the solution seems very simple. DCC is a standard and it works for ALL scales, G, O, S, HO, N, and even Z. The proprietory issues go away when the standards are applied. If the equipment is already able to operate on DC, then a DCC decoder will work, provided the amperage rating is followed. Installing a decoder in a large scale loco is a lot easier than installing one in HO or N scale.   If we toy train enthusiasts became a real "group" and told the manufacturers like Lionel and MTH that, unless they followed the NMRA standards we would no longer purchase their poorly supplied products. Right now, I can open any model magazine and find hundreds of DCC decoders to replace any faulty one and most importers with their sound decoders have no long delays in replacing them. Usually a defective decoder can be replaced in less than a week. True, technology changes but I have decoders in locos that are over 15 years old that are still functioning. I also added decoders to old American Flyer steam locos and they have never run as well.   Yeah, Yeah, I already hear the cries of ,"I have over 100 locos to convert. It would bankrupt me." In my very personal experience, I had over 250 locos when I made the switch and you know what? Until I did the conversion, I only operated 7 or 8 with any regularity. Once I made the change, I started adding more decoders gradually to the locos I really wanted to run. The rest, I sold off to purchase newer and better equipment. And NO, I am not associated with the bank bail-out. I purchased them gradually. The biggest expense was the initial system purchase with a couple extra throttles so my friends could join me.   We have to stop accepting what a company shoves down our throats. WE are the customers. We have the ability to dictate quality, support and reject incompatibility. Actually, the ball is in our court. Whether we play their game is up to us.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52409	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains.. How did we get here?

Hi Bob,   ===== Individualized sound boards are a  problem, consequently folks may have to settle for various generic sound  boards in the future (as they usually do with DCC, by the way).   Have fun. Bob Bubeck   ====== One small point you made is incorrect. DCC sound manufactuirers recognize that scale modelers rarely accept "generic" noise as a substitute for accurate loco sounds. Earlier sound decoders were generic but now, the more reputable companies design sound files that match the prototype or a modeler can purchase a programmer to create their own custom files and load them or have someone like me create them for a small price.. All you need to do is listen to the new Broadway Limited PRR I1 2-10-0 banshee whistle to prove my point.   As someone that creates custom sound files for my own decoders, as well as others, I disagree with you on that small point. Most DCC manufacturers offer several versions of sounds and loco details to match the prototype correctly. Without it, they would just sound like two pieces of sandpaper rubbing together.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52410	From: william cole	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!

Go to the Fine Art site, and read a different opinion..... http://www.fineartmodels.com/pages/news.asp?content_area=8&sub_area=27&content_id=542 beautiful models..... hanging out around the house today and going through stuff to hopefully make some room for a little S scale shelf line to play with for a couple of months........ Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains as investment NO! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 9:49 AM I always said this is throw away money even back when I got into it in 1992. LOL RIP Tom Jarcho. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains as investment NO! Amen. This really applies to all model trains and their associated railroadiana in the long run. Thanks for sending, Bill Winans I think this is a interesting piece he wrote about trains not being a investment.. . Mike Marmer TOY TRAINS: A POOR INVESTMENT by Tom Jarcho American Flyer trains are many things -- entertaining toys, a fascinating hobby, mementos of a better time, tokens of family love past and present. One thing they are not, however, is a good financial investment.. .. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52411	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: AF 110 VAC diesel horn generator hookup

Red wire to  the variable post on the transformer.   Black wire base post on the transformer.   Yellow wire to the base post connection on the track terminal.   The other post of the track terminal connects to the variable post on the transformer.   Let me know what you learn and I'll add it to TheGilbertGallery.org website to help anyone else who has the same questions.   Bob --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: From: Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Electronics in trains...How did we get there? (specifically, in 1950) To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 8:07 AM Hi Gang, At Amherst I acquired one of those AF 110 VAC diesel horn generators that was included in the first two Sante Fe Alco sets. To satisfy my curiosity I want to get it properly operating. I have the schematic but no copy of the hook-up instructions. If any of you have them & would like to provide scans, then that'd be great. If you don't have the instructions but know the connections for the three wires that are tethered to it, then that'd be nice to receive. The switch is a two position, SPDT shorting rotary that's supposed to spring back to a normal position. The spring was disconnected at one end and Doug Peck very kindly examined a unit that he had & helped to clarify where it gets connected. The spring is self-evidently tensil but doesn't propel the switch. I'm not yet sure if a part's missing from the switch, or if perhaps, a drive pin that secures several components to the shaft has to be peaned in. If I can't get the switch to mechanically function as intended, then I think that a pushbutton operating a set of relays could successfully replace it. Another possibility is to find a dealer with NOS Mallory or Centralab switches. I intend to share whatever I learn as a result of this undertaking. I am appalled the the device lacks a power switch & fuse protection. I'll be adding them IF I get the thing operational. Thanks, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52412	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains

Perhaps it is all the unhappy customers I've had to face in the past few years due to electronics problems. Perhaps it's the problems I had with a couple of my own engines in O gauge. Perhaps it's the fact that I'm not a wealthy collector, and $100. means something to me. Maybe I'm just an old guy who likes things simple and reliable over the long term with mimnimal need for repair expenditure. I am admittedly no longer a fan of electronics in my trains, even though at one time I had seventeen O gauge Lionel and MTH locos with them. I was lucky enough to peddle all but one of my O gauge locos when I downsized my hobby to just S and On30. The whole intent of starting this discussion of electronics was to recognise that sometimes they don't work, and can't be fixed. So what do you do when that happens? We have turned up several possible solutions from knowledgeable listers, and I thank those who have contributed to that information. I have gotten side tracked into being critical of MTH and Lionel, which wasn't my intent at the beginning. I have e-mailed Bob directly to clarify that. If you want electronics, that's great, and I wish you all the best! They add a lot to the hobby, particularly a good sound unit. But there is a growing number of folks out here who have been "burned" by electronics. The manufacturers have begun to recoginize this in O gauge and have started testing the waters by selling some "traditional" type trains again. We'll see what developes... Stumpy Stone...still cold in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52413	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree

Oh, I say, good show! All the info rabid Spree goers like me require! Thanks a lot and I'll see y'all there! Stumpy in eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52414	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/1/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52415	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains

I for one would be very disappointed in the Big Boy if it did not have TMCC and RS. I felt as though the Northern missed it by not being a TMCC loco. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Electronics in trains "If you want electronics, that's great, and I wish you all the best!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52416	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Actually I got allot of help in techniques for the layout and I did find a O scale grandstand that will work on my S scale ballpark. I usually go to train shows as a last resort if there is nothing else for us to do, as I do not go with the possibility of looking for S products. it is mainly to get out of the house in winter walk around, talk to people, which I did, and just look at things whether what scale it is as there is something in HO I am looking for that was a limited production item. I will write more about the show later. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "william cole" <billcwithonec@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, hope Timonium yields something good for you...the last one I went to was dismally attended, and the dealers were down in numbers (some dealers weren't too happy about it either....!!!)....I figure the Spring Thaw/First Frost at Allentown has much more S scale and gauge stuff than Timonium....kind of weird.....and the of course, the TCA in York usually yields some neat goodies.... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 1/31/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 12:01 AM Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpo p.com/credit/ credit-reports? ncid=emlcntuswal l00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52417	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trains as investment NO!

Bill, thanks for sharing that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "william cole" <billcwithonec@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains as investment NO! Go to the Fine Art site, and read a different opinion..... http://www.fineartmodels.com/pages/news.asp?content_area=8&sub_area=27&content_id=542 beautiful models..... hanging out around the house today and going through stuff to hopefully make some room for a little S scale shelf line to play with for a couple of months........ Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains as investment NO! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 9:49 AM I always said this is throw away money even back when I got into it in 1992. LOL RIP Tom Jarcho. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains as investment NO! Amen. This really applies to all model trains and their associated railroadiana in the long run. Thanks for sending, Bill Winans I think this is a interesting piece he wrote about trains not being a investment.. . Mike Marmer TOY TRAINS: A POOR INVESTMENT by Tom Jarcho American Flyer trains are many things -- entertaining toys, a fascinating hobby, mementos of a better time, tokens of family love past and present. One thing they are not, however, is a good financial investment.. .. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52418	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Poor Mike of Oregon, he has the fear of Tom Waits voice, even his song Downtown Train. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, UGH!!!! In a message dated 1/31/2009 8:51:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Good for you Mike!!!! Throw a Tom Waits CD on in the car cd player and go to a show, I always do. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help credit score. (_http://www.walletpohttp://www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_ (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52419	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

My ears have suffered enough from chain saws... Mike In a message dated 1/31/2009 5:56:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Poor Mike of Oregon, he has the fear of Tom Waits voice, even his song Downtown Train. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, UGH!!!! In a message dated 1/31/2009 8:51:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: Good for you Mike!!!! Throw a Tom Waits CD on in the car cd player and go to a show, I always do. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: __anormal1@aol._an_ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, __mlmarmer@msn._ml_ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) ) writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**<WBR>*Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to credit score. (__http://www.walletpohttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.wahttp://www.wallehttp:_ (http://www.walletpohttp//www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_) (_http://www.walletpohttp://www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_ (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help credit score. (_http://www.walletpohttp://www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_ (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52420	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Correction!

It was a huge round house not a tunnel! Linda said when I was corrected, that a round house cost more that a tunnel! And his wife had a huge box she was carrying too! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52421	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Recession?

The train show at Timonium had allot of traffic today. Lots of vendors. Linda goes "Look that guy has a huge tunnel (about five feet) so what recession?" That is today's commentary on the recession. I will write more about the show a bit later, as we had a great time, talked to many and even got a few things for the layout as I was not really looking for anything. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52422	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ct3V1QG8Es&feature=related I got tired of reading those long posts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52423	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: Penn State News At the Train Show

Linda was wearing her U of MD basketball championship sweatshirt today and this train vendor wanted to know the affiliation she had with the shirt. She said she liked MD since I went there, as his son went to MD. And it turns out he lives in Lancaster PA! So I asked him how come he did not go to Penn State. He said he was glad he did not go, since it is the third largest party school in the country. I think he said that Miami was the largest, as I never found out what was second. Of course, not MD. This is train related as it was conversation with a train person at the show. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52424	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/31/2009
Subject: 263 revisted

we all know that a supposedly 263 engine was sold on ebay awhile ago, while the area where the number is looks really bad, like it was doctored. I even made a joke that I had a 211304 engine. Today at the train show in Timonium, the someone was giving away TTOS magazine, which I am not a member of. I got the last one, as when I got home, I saw that the date was September 1996 as I thought it was a current edition. this was fine, as basically any train magazine with articles in it is new because of the data of the topic. The article in this Bulletin was about the American Flyer switchers engines, the 21004 and 21005. It had the pitcher of the engine from the 1957 catalog which I never looked at before of this engine with the number 263 on it. It was a painting of the engine, as like in 1958 catalogs, the engine has the 236 number on it, but the description is 21005. The article written by a Dan Malkiewicz mentions in the article about this engine "is believe to have been produced in small numbers prior to the 5 digit conversion of the entire Flyer line. The Greenberg book states that none where made but readers comments are welcome on this. So while the one on ebay did not look like a original, there seems to be some who think it was made and some who are not so sure. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52425	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.

THat was great! I loved it!! Rick. On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:33 PM, AZTECFAN wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ct3V1QG8Es&feature=related > > I got tired of reading those long posts. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52426	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis

Hi All - I'm looking to buy a chassis for a 653 Heavyweight passenger/combo car with the shorter 6- wheel trucks. Light socket not necessary. Will pay a reasonable price. Also, this is a dark green UNpainted car that needs some body work. Anyone know of a matching paint, or am I looking at mixing up some? Should be fun! Thanks in advance, Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52427	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.

Sure isn't Tom Waits singing Downtown Train. LOL Nice video from 1944!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: AZTECFAN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] on a lighter note Freight train Boggie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ct3V1QG8Es&feature=related I got tired of reading those long posts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52428	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: HO Price Guide

I know this isn't exactly S, but it is American Flyer. Does anyone know if there is an AF HO price guide in the works? The book Gary Klein did some time ago was great, but really wasn't a price guide.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52429	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Poor Mike, I have tortured him so much with Tom's music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OLA6AiZlVw Here is one of the versions of him singing this on youtube. Sorry, I think this guy is great. LOL Music Video ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, My ears have suffered enough from chain saws... Mike In a message dated 1/31/2009 5:56:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Poor Mike of Oregon, he has the fear of Tom Waits voice, even his song Downtown Train. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, UGH!!!! In a message dated 1/31/2009 8:51:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: Good for you Mike!!!! Throw a Tom Waits CD on in the car cd player and go to a show, I always do. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: __anormal1@aol._an_ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to do tomorrow, Mine will,Dorothy always looks for them & reminds me. Mike S In a message dated 1/30/2009 8:05:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, __mlmarmer@msn._ml_ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) ) writes: I was trying to figure something out to get out of the house tomorrow as I was asking Linda what she thought, as there is no baseball, concerts, bike riding for us to do. She said, "Isn't there a train show in Timonium tomorrow?". Not that I am in the market for anything, as I got enough to do on the layout, that will be the answer. So, how many wives out there will say that? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**<WBR>*Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to credit score. (__http://www.walletpohttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.wahttp://www.wallehttp:_ (http://www.walletpohttp//www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_) (_http://www.walletpohttp://www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_ (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help credit score. (_http://www.walletpohttp://www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wallehttp://ww_ (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52430	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Electronics in trains... How did we get here? [S-Trains] Digest Numb

Bill, By 'open' I mean that TMCC has been licensed to four companies over time and that the code for the system is publicly known . Unfortunately, no, I do not believe that Lionel will be signing SHS as a licensee, although Carl Tuveson has developed a board for converting SHS Consolidations to TMCC. In a message dated 1/31/2009 9:52:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey Bob, I have never heard TMCC described as an 'open' system before! Do you believe Lionel would give permission to SHS to offer and sell their locos with TMCC installed, the way they can with DCC SoundTraxx decoders installed? Nick, Your comment below may appear to imply that there is a choice between conventional and CC operations. There is no reason why one can not have both. An advantage of TMCC is that it is a walk around system that permits a near seamless means of switching back and forth between the two worlds with no modifications necessary for vintage (or other conventional) engines. Whether or not a system is under an NMRA standard is of little interest to those hobbyists for whom the system will not do what is desired by them. Both TMCC and DCC are darn good systems. Choose the one that works best for you. >> I love this thread for one great reason. It truly shows the difference between the folks like us that have enjoyed the simple pleasures of electro-mechanical devices in the "toy" train hobby versus the more electronically seasoned HO scale modeler. Age is not a factor either. I have crew members in their 70's and 80's that understand the electronics as well as the new kids in the hobby. As an HO scale modeler as well, the solution seems very simple. DCC is a standard and it works for ALL scales, G, O, S, HO, N, and even Z. The proprietary issues go away when the standards are applied. << And,.... Thanks for the update. You have made a point I was attempting to make, as well. Savvy individuals and enterprises will jump in to fill needs in the brave new world. Glad to hear that you have the banshee whistle among your sound files. One small point you made is incorrect. DCC sound manufacturers recognize that scale modelers rarely accept "generic" noise as a substitute for accurate loco sounds. Earlier sound decoders were generic but now, the more reputable companies design sound files that match the prototype or a modeler can purchase a programmer to create their own custom files and load them or have someone like me create them for a small price.. All you need to do is listen to the new Broadway Limited PRR I1 2-10-0 banshee whistle to prove my point. Good discussion! Enjoy your trains. Bob Bubeck **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals?c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26~ck=anavml) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52431	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Hugo and Che train arrival pics

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/504154431/pic/list As Tom Waits said in his famous 1975 live LP Nighthawks at the Diner, it is story time. In a deep Tom Waits recreation: Well, it was January 20, 2000 and nine. All was ready in anticipation of the Arrival of Hugo and Che to be coroneted as the new baseball commissioners for the D&K RR Company Town Baseball league. hey, hey, (sick laugher) It was kind of a strange day it was, as some of the cows and sheep came trackside to see the new leaders and some did give a ..........hoot. Well there was tragedy along the way to some of the spectators and almost to the new free dictators of this town baseball league. Well, you will have to follow the story boards just to see how it came out. Soon to be turned into a adventure movie in 2037. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52432	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide

The recent Doyle book that came out has Flyer HO in it, but the prices are somewhat fanciful.. Steve In a message dated 02/01/2009 9:19:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rogerpjr@... writes: I know this isn't exactly S, but it is American Flyer. Does anyone know if there is an AF HO price guide in the works? The book Gary Klein did some time ago was great, but really wasn't a price guide. **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52433	From: William Porter	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree

Hey Stumpy, Could you tell me a little more about the Spree? Since you are not one of the organizers, that would not be blatant advertising. I can see you like the things and know something about them. I have a trip up north that I am planning and I might be able to schedule it to that time frame and go a little bit out of the direct route to attend. They are a long way from South Florida. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree Oh, I say, good show! All the info rabid Spree goers like me require! Thanks a lot and I'll see y'all there! Stumpy in eastern Ahia ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52434	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide

What book by Gary Kline? and No I do not know of any price guide for Flyer HO. I would like to get one for pre-war American Flyer myself. Is there one? ____________________________________________________________ Click to get your online credit check report & score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2OizHhVagVvnTdczaRPspgXUWtkRvAYAydonl9sB9eUolqr/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52435	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis

Can't help you with the short truck version, but I have a long truck one that is complete and badly in need of a paint job. If anyone is interested let me know. If I live long enough, I may strip and paint it. It's in great physical condition except for the paint. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/01/2009 6:03:14 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: Hi All - I'm looking to buy a chassis for a 653 Heavyweight passenger/combo car with the shorter 6- wheel trucks. Light socket not necessary. Will pay a reasonable price. Also, this is a dark green UNpainted car that needs some body work. Anyone know of a matching paint, or am I looking at mixing up some? Should be fun! Thanks in advance, Jim E. **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntusw all00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52436	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide

Two books by Greenberg Publishing - one has standard gauge and accessories and the other has O gauge. Prices are dated now but it has had two printings. The Doyle book and the O'Brien book both have prewar Flyer in them. The Doyle book section on accessories is misleading and shows postwar items identified as prewar. Bill Drake would you believe 45 degrees and sunny? --- On Sun, 2/1/09, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: > From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO Price Guide > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 2:35 PM > What book by Gary Kline? > > and No I do not know of any price guide for Flyer HO. > > I would like to get one for pre-war American Flyer myself. > Is there one? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to get your online credit check report & score. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2OizHhVagVvnTdczaRPspgXUWtkRvAYAydonl9sB9eUolqr/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52437	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/1/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52438	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains... SHS and TMCC

Dear Bob, I think is was in 1999 that Dick Maddox, CEO of Lionel stopped at our booth during a slow time at a trade show in Philadelphia to first offer to license SHS to use TMCC. He told me they were working on an HO version that would fit in our engines. We talked for almost an hour. At each York and Toy Fair in New York after that, I would make a point to stop at the Lionel booth and talk to Dick. He was always very nice to us and promised me more than once that we could sign up for TMCC. I saw him one Spring York a few years ago and told him that we were ready to sign the licensing agreement. He then shared with me that he would be retiring from Lionel that July, but would ask the board. A few weeks later, I got e-mail from Dick telling me that the board had other ideas about TMCC in S and SHS was not part of that plan. We have tried asking several people close to "L" about a TMCC licensing agreement with us, but no one has given us even a maybe, it is always that they are not interested. We appreciate the work of Carl Tuveson and Ed Goldin and hope that they can continue to fly under the radar. Best, Don > Bill, > ....Unfortunately, no, I do not believe that Lionel will be signing > SHS as a licensee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52439	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide

No Kidding. I told him the prices where way off as for some reason he contacted me for opinions. Why me? I have no idea as I am no expert on pricing. I asked him where the prices came from. He said shows. I asked what shows. No answer. I still have the emails. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO Price Guide The recent Doyle book that came out has Flyer HO in it, but the prices are somewhat fanciful.. Steve In a message dated 02/01/2009 9:19:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rogerpjr@... writes: I know this isn't exactly S, but it is American Flyer. Does anyone know if there is an AF HO price guide in the works? The book Gary Klein did some time ago was great, but really wasn't a price guide. **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52440	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: on a lighter note Freight train Boggie.

AND ANOTHER ONE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHB2YozVc1k&feature=related --- On Sat, 1/31/09, AZTECFAN <aztecfan@...> wrote: From: AZTECFAN <aztecfan@...> Subject: [S-Trains] on a lighter note Freight train Boggie. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 11:33 PM http://www.youtube com/watch? v=4Ct3V1QG8Es& feature=related I got tired of reading those long posts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52441	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/1/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide

I think the reason why he contacted me is because he and I are on the TTML list. I think David Dewey, but I tend to write about AF on the list, so maybe he had no one else to ask. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO Price Guide No Kidding. I told him the prices where way off as for some reason he contacted me for opinions. Why me? I have no idea as I am no expert on pricing. I asked him where the prices came from. He said shows. I asked what shows. No answer. I still have the emails. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO Price Guide The recent Doyle book that came out has Flyer HO in it, but the prices are somewhat fanciful.. Steve In a message dated 02/01/2009 9:19:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rogerpjr@... writes: I know this isn't exactly S, but it is American Flyer. Does anyone know if there is an AF HO price guide in the works? The book Gary Klein did some time ago was great, but really wasn't a price guide. **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52442	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Electronics in trains... SHS and TMCC

It would be great for SHS to get licensed, but in the meantime it's at least some good news that Lionel makes some AF TMCC engines and that they licensed Digital Dynamic and Electric Railroad. Those two companies mfr the command and sound boards that make Carl's, Ed's, mine, and plenty of others' S-gauge and O-gauge TMCC enginie converions possible. Check out their sites and products if you haven't already. Both owners/proprietors are very friendly and helpful via email and/or the phone in terms of setting you up with the most appropriate products to accomplish the conversion(s) you have in mind.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52443	From: lember2004	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide

Gary Klein ( gmklein69@...) put out both a book & CD [with lots of photos] on HO and recently [Nov, 2008] a Check List that includes prices. I have never met him, but find his products useful. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52444	From: bimorph	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO Price Guide

I bought Gary Klein's first book in 1995 and it's a good reference for where there was none. As for pricing I used to write down ebay sales for a reference when I was selling S gauge. Now that I'll be selling my Flyer HO collection, I am doing the same but I think the economic problems are causing some erratic auction results. It always comes down to who wants it and if that other person shows up before the auction is over. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > Gary Klein ( gmklein69@...) put out both a book & CD [with lots of > photos] on HO and recently [Nov, 2008] a Check List that includes > prices. I have never met him, but find his products useful. Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52445	From: D Stoll	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree

To all, I contacted President Lee Macrty from the sponsors group and their web is back on line again. I have created links in our Badgerland web with as much infomation as possible. Links to their web through http://www.cvsga.com/ or ours at http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/ on the events page. Doug Stoll --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hey Stumpy, > > > > Could you tell me a little more about the Spree? Since you are not one of > the organizers, that would not be blatant advertising. I can see you like > the things and know something about them. I have a trip up north that I am > planning and I might be able to schedule it to that time frame and go a > little bit out of the direct route to attend. They are a long way from South > Florida. > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Stumpy Stone > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:38 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Blatant advertisement for 2009 S Spree > > > > Oh, I say, good show! All the info rabid Spree goers like me > require! Thanks a lot and I'll see y'all there! > Stumpy in eastern Ahia > > ,___ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52446	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

I bought some of that stuff at a train show and it just rubs off with a rag.   or maybe soap and water if it is really caked on the cars.  No soap and water   on the engine, unless you first remove the motor, do not want an electrocution. --- On Fri, 1/30/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] White Mung on equipment To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 11:24 AM Friends, Recently, my daughter inherited a nice American Flyer collection from her Godfather. When he passed, it was in November and the basement where the trains were stored became damp and cold. When I was able to pick them up after the will settlement, it was August. After examinig the equipment, I saw several pieces had a white, "mold or mildew"-like powder on the trucks, frames, and link couplers. Several of the boxes were also full of mildew and were in pretty bad shape. I have Flyer equipment but it has never had this kind of problem. It was always kept in a warm and dry location. Does anyone have any information on how to clean this "mung" from the cars without causing damage to them? Any help is appreciated. Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52447	From: mikenguy9	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: HO PRICES

Somebody wanted HO pricea and a Gary Klein had a book. What was the name of the book listing HO parts. and he also has a dvd? I deleted the message sorry Mike Rosz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52448	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

The white crud is pig lard and soap (Octagon brand) that Gilbert used as a mold release. It comes off with Ronsonol, Goo Be Gone or charcoal starter-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52449	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

and he notes - The white residue on some of the post-war AF plastic rolling stock is a mold which has developed on the release agent mixed with the plastic shot prior to injection molding. The idea was to make the molded 'tree' of part separate from the plattens without breakage or additional labor. The mold release used then was an organic compound (more than likely a fatty acid) and wasn't limited to just trains as many household appliances as well as costume jewelry, camera cases and what have you were made with plastic mixed with this stuff. Over the years the mold too root and this is what you see today It isn't harmful and can be easily removed with soapy water and an old tooth brush. Be careful not to get the lettering wet as it can also be removed with soapy water. Raleigh in Maine where we expect six more weeks of winter!... At 12:42 PM 2/2/2009, mike rosz wrote: >I bought some of that stuff at a train show and it just rubs off with a rag. > >or maybe soap and water if it is really caked on the cars. No soap and water > >on the engine, unless you first remove the motor, do not want an >electrocution. > >--- On Fri, 1/30/09, cornwall9 ><<mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com>cornwall9@...> wrote: > >From: cornwall9 <<mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com>cornwall9@...> >Subject: [S-Trains] White Mung on equipment >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 11:24 AM > >Friends, > >Recently, my daughter inherited a nice American Flyer collection from >her Godfather. When he passed, it was in November and the basement >where the trains were stored became damp and cold. When I was able to >pick them up after the will settlement, it was August. > >After examinig the equipment, I saw several pieces had a white, "mold >or mildew"-like powder on the trucks, frames, and link couplers. >Several of the boxes were also full of mildew and were in pretty bad >shape. > >I have Flyer equipment but it has never had this kind of problem. It >was always kept in a warm and dry location. Does anyone have any >information on how to clean this "mung" from the cars without causing >damage to them? > >Any help is appreciated. > >Nick Kulp > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52450	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

I would assume you have to be careful around painted surfaces and stamped lettering, eh? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: john isn't eddie anymore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] White Mung on equipment The white crud is pig lard and soap (Octagon brand) that Gilbert used as a mold release. It comes off with Ronsonol, Goo Be Gone or charcoal starter-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52451	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: White crud is sodium stearate

This from the late Tom Jarcho: "Early Flyer plastics, especially those used in link wheels and couplers, were made with a mold release agent, sodium stearate (a basic soap) mixed into the plastic. Over time, this tends to have migrated to the surface of the plastic and formed a whitish crud there. It can be removed with isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush. Take care not to get the alcohol on any painted surfaces, as it will damage them..." A hair dryer set on a low setting also works. Rub gently with a soft cloth. But be careful you don't melt anything. PS -- again, you don't need any chemicals (toluene) to remove it, as someone suggested. Stick to a hair dryer. PSS -- it is not totally harmless. Inhaling airborn sodium stearate (if you choose to work it dry) can be harmful to some people. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52452	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White crud is sodium stearate

Yep, it may have been from Tom that I learned of the hairdryer trick, or someone else here on the forum. Worked great for me! Rick. > This from the late Tom Jarcho: > A hair dryer set on a low setting also works. Rub gently with a soft > cloth. But be careful you don't melt anything. > > PS -- again, you don't need any chemicals (toluene) to remove it, as > someone suggested. Stick to a hair dryer. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52453	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Spring S Spree motel heads up

I just called the Holiday Inn Select at Strongsville, Ohio to get my room for Thursday and Friday nights. They DO NOT have the Spree listed as "S Spree" as it says on the website. The girls at the desk have rooms listed under "Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers." The rate is $99.00 per night plus tax if you say the magic words. If not, the regular rate is $149.00 for Thursday and $169.00 for Friday! The phone number is: 1/440/238-8800 Stumpy Stone...more than enough ice still around eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52454	From: Larry Asp	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: White crud is sodium stearate

I remove the white stuff on links and plastic chassis with a jewellers wash out brush - which has a stiff but soft bristle, it brushes the stuff off nicely. It is also great for cleaning off grime that gets into cracks, and for shining things up a bit - try it on a steamer. They cost about $8.00 and are well worth the money. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] White crud is sodium stearate > This from the late Tom Jarcho: > > "Early Flyer plastics, especially those used in link wheels and > couplers, were made with a mold release agent, sodium stearate (a basic > soap) mixed into the plastic. > > Over time, this tends to have migrated to the surface of the plastic > and formed a whitish crud there. It can be removed with isopropyl > alcohol and a toothbrush. Take care not to get the alcohol on any > painted surfaces, as it will damage them..." > > A hair dryer set on a low setting also works. Rub gently with a soft > cloth. But be careful you don't melt anything. > > PS -- again, you don't need any chemicals (toluene) to remove it, as > someone suggested. Stick to a hair dryer. > > PSS -- it is not totally harmless. Inhaling airborn sodium stearate (if > you choose to work it dry) can be harmful to some people. > > Phil K > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52455	From: lember2004	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES

The price list is called "Gilbert HO Check List" and the book/cd is called "Gilbert American Flyer HO 1938-1963". A mailing address for him that is printed on the check list is PO Box 71, Veneta OR 97487. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > Somebody wanted HO pricea and a Gary Klein had a book. > > What was the name of the book listing HO parts. and > > he also has a dvd? I deleted the message sorry > > Mike Rosz >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52456	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis

Steve- Was this car originally painted or unpainted?  What $$ are you asking? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 12:28:11 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted- Heavyweight chassis Can't help you with the short truck version, but I have a long truck one that is complete and badly in need of a paint job. If anyone is interested let me know. If I live long enough, I may strip and paint it. It's in great physical condition except for the paint. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/01/2009 6:03:14 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: Hi All - I'm looking to buy a chassis for a 653 Heavyweight passenger/combo car with the shorter 6- wheel trucks. Light socket not necessary. Will pay a reasonable price. Also, this is a dark green UNpainted car that needs some body work. Anyone know of a matching paint, or am I looking at mixing up some? Should be fun! Thanks in advance, Jim E. **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. ( http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntusw all00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52457	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES

Just remember there is no set prices for anything in life. Yes, a list is just a guide for guide you to maybe a starting point in selling or buying. The goal in life for the seller to get as much as they can for something and for the buyer to get it for as little as they can, until you come to a agreement. And of course some seller are dead set in a price, because in time, they know that someone will paid that price for the item. Just a thought. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: HO PRICES The price list is called "Gilbert HO Check List" and the book/cd is called "Gilbert American Flyer HO 1938-1963". A mailing address for him that is printed on the check list is PO Box 71, Veneta OR 97487. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > Somebody wanted HO pricea and a Gary Klein had a book. > > What was the name of the book listing HO parts. and > > he also has a dvd? I deleted the message sorry > > Mike Rosz > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52458	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wanted- Heavyweight chassis

Red painted. $75. everything intact. Just needs paint. In a message dated 02/02/2009 6:57:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: Steve- Was this car originally painted or unpainted? What $$ are you asking? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 12:28:11 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted- Heavyweight chassis Can't help you with the short truck version, but I have a long truck one that is complete and badly in need of a paint job. If anyone is interested let me know. If I live long enough, I may strip and paint it. It's in great physical condition except for the paint. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/01/2009 6:03:14 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, _jimensign50@jimensign50_ (mailto:jimensign50@...) writes: Hi All - I'm looking to buy a chassis for a 653 Heavyweight passenger/combo car with the shorter 6- wheel trucks. Light socket not necessary. Will pay a reasonable price. Also, this is a dark green UNpainted car that needs some body work. Anyone know of a matching paint, or am I looking at mixing up some? Should be fun! Thanks in advance, Jim E. ************************<WBR>**Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help credit score. ( _http://www.walletpohttp://www.wahttp://www.wallhttp://www.wal_ (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntusw) all00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52459	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/2/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES

Hi Mike -- I used to have a business partner who said,"A good deal is no one's bargain." Have fun! Bill Winans The goal in life for the seller to get as much as they can for something and for the buyer to get it for as little as they can, until you come to a agreement. Just a thought. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52460	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES

The first time I bumped in to Gary Klein was at a train show. He was selling a few AF repaint circus trains. When I asked him about them he told me he had stripped some royal blue's to make the circus trains. Then he asked me if I had any royal blues for sale. Now I know some of you are in to repaints, and that's ok. I just didn't think what he was doing was right. As I looked at them they were so good I could not tell they were repaints. I would need to look for the date stamp in the cab. The price was about $350.00 at the time. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Mon, 2/2/09, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: > From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: HO PRICES > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 4:48 PM > The price list is called "Gilbert HO Check List" > and the book/cd is > called "Gilbert American Flyer HO 1938-1963". A > mailing address for > him that is printed on the check list is PO Box 71, Veneta > OR 97487. > Mark > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" > <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > > Somebody wanted HO pricea and a Gary Klein had a > book. > > > > What was the name of the book listing HO parts. and > > > > he also has a dvd? I deleted the message sorry > > > > Mike Rosz > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52461	From: mnoral2	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

This link shows a nice before and after picture after hair dryer treatment: http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/saf.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52462	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

I've tried alcohol on a rag, a hair dryer, and a few other methods. Many of them work quite well. Most recently, however, I worked on a 1946 set with mung on nearly every car. I tried CRC 2-26 and was very pleased. Wipes the mung right off and had no ill effects on lettering or numbers. Spray some on a cotton cloth, wipe the car/wheels/etc., wipe with a clean cotton cloth and let "dry". It does finish wet looking or shiny like some chemicals do. Just a nice neat mung-free and fresh looking finish. Fred Jester sells cans of it. Great stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52463	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/3/2009
Subject: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas

List, A friend is heading to Las Vegas in a couple weeks and wants location of some S friendly shops. Or if you have an AF layout to visit? Thanks. - Alan Evans o Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52464	From: rdgroup427	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Evans" <alan@...> wrote: > > List, > > A friend is heading to Las Vegas in a couple weeks and wants > location of some S friendly shops. Or if you have an AF layout to visit? > > > > Thanks. > > > > - Alan Evans > > o Gahanna, Ohio > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >There is a train store off Eastern just on the East side of McCarrin airport. It is mostly Lionel but they do have a nice selection of AF products in front and quite a bit in there back back room. Real nice couple run the place. There hours are later in the day. It is worth the stop. The store is in more like a business office type area. If you watch the planes landing West onto the runways there store is just on the flight path.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52465	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Repaints, restorations, or fakes?

With the collectablity of Gilbert items, comes the desire on the part of collectors to have one or more of each piece and in fine condition. This sometimes leads to restorations and inevitably to fakes. As an example: In the case mentioned below, Royal Blue locos were restored/modified into Circus locos. In this case the restorer/dealer told the prospective buyer that these were not originals but reproductions, which is acceptable. But what about when this piece changes hands again? Or even again? Wouldn't changing them from their original Royal Blue livery to the red Circus color make them "fakes" since they were not restored to original Royal Blue condition? This is the same as taking a common old Camaro and changing the drivetrain, interior, paint, and decoration to pass it off as the rare Z-28 version. This is NOT considered a restoration in the vintage car world. Also, I would think that a reputable maker of such changed pieces would indelibly mark them as such in some incospicuous but visible location. We know that this often doesn't happen, "repros" and "fakes" are out there being passed as the real thing, particularly now with the advent of eBay. Lord knows that I have no problem repainting/customizing old Flyer, and I have taken abuse from time to time from collectors for it. But my stuff will never be confused with original or even repro items! This has long been an ethical question and the collector can only follow the old adage: Buyer beware. Stumpy Stone...making the tough comments again...from damn cold Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52466	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Shaving my cows feet!

Shaving my cows feet, you ask, what the heck is writing about now. Well, the cows for the AF Stockyard! Even since I got the layout up, the cows, not just any cows, steers of beef, kept falling over, like they have been shot by extremist trying to assassinate Hugo and/or Che. The cows got replacement fuzzy feet, but that did not work. I even attempted to slow down the electric like football game stockyard floor. Even notice in these stockyards, you do not even see any by products from the cows or Texas Longhorns. I even got new and improved fuzzy replacement feet for the cows from a AF parts dealer. Cows still fell over. In discussion on the s list I was told to get a low wattage transformer for the cows to have their feet massage. Still the helpless cows feel over like they had mad cow disease! But wait, I saw the Baltimore Flyer club at Timonium with there layout at the train show this past weekend. I asked the guy operated his herd of cattle, why his bovine do not fall over but head into the stock car, stupidity only to headed to the Jungle of beef processing land. Upton Sinclair would be so proud, as this had to be the cleanest stockyard on earth. Why he said, shave the feet of your cows with a mustache trimmer to about a 1/8" and your cows will be heading off to market quickly. Why, I happen to have a mustache, since 1973 and I happen to have a 10 dollar deluxe trimmer. So, I trimmed all the feet of the cows. Not only did they not fall over, they did not move at all! So, what to do. Ah ha! TURN UP THE VIBRATION ON THE FLOOR OF THE VERY CLEAN STOCKYARD!!! And that worked, now the cows move, but sideways and backwards!!!!! Can't have everything. Maybe if I pull their feet off, ow!, PETA will be calling, and turn the feet around, maybe, just maybe I will be in AF Cow heaven of having my cows go nicely into that stock car. With this, since this email is about cows and nothing about cows, I give you this cow video on you, as my cows will be doing this. And it mentions Che. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52467	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas

Train Shoppe's in Las Vegas????? Are you kidding me? And you want layouts?? Maybe .......... LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas List, A friend is heading to Las Vegas in a couple weeks and wants location of some S friendly shops. Or if you have an AF layout to visit? Thanks. - Alan Evans o Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52468	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Mike- I'm not sure why your cows are following over- perhaps some local teens are visiting at night to try their hands at "cow tipping"?! :) I'm pretty sure my stockyard cows have a problem with authority as they often do not do as they're told.  Just as I get them all to move and load and unload, the next time I fire it up, they stand there like a bunch of stupid... well,... cows.  Seriously, things I've found that help is to pay attention to the swirl pattern on the fabric pads.  The swirl determines whether the cow goes left or right, clockwise or counter-clockwise.  Also, the vibrating rubber pad on my pen works better when it is loose on the floor, not glued down to it.  And finally, mine works best when it's vibrating like crazy under full power.  Noisy, yes,  but the cows move. Good luck! JImE.  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Larry and Vanessa Franklin" <yaheynow@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 7:52:59 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Shaving my cows feet! Shaving my cows feet, you ask, what the heck is writing about now. Well, the cows for the AF Stockyard! Even since I got the layout up, the cows, not just any cows, steers of beef, kept falling over, like they have been shot by extremist trying to assassinate Hugo and/or Che. The cows got replacement fuzzy feet, but that did not work. I even attempted to slow down the electric like football game stockyard floor. Even notice in these stockyards, you do not even see any by products from the cows or Texas Longhorns. I even got new and improved fuzzy replacement feet for the cows from a AF parts dealer. Cows still fell over. In discussion on the s list I was told to get a low wattage transformer for the cows to have their feet massage. Still the helpless cows feel over like they had mad cow disease! But wait, I saw the Baltimore Flyer club at Timonium with there layout at the train show this past weekend. I asked the guy operated his herd of cattle, why his bovine do not fall over but head into the stock car, stupidity only to headed to the Jungle of beef processing land. Upton Sinclair would be so proud, as this had to be the cleanest stockyard on earth. Why he said, shave the feet of your cows with a mustache trimmer to about a 1/8" and your cows will be heading off to market quickly. Why, I happen to have a mustache, since 1973 and I happen to have a 10 dollar deluxe trimmer. So, I trimmed all the feet of the cows. Not only did they not fall over, they did not move at all! So, what to do. Ah ha! TURN UP THE VIBRATION ON THE FLOOR OF THE VERY CLEAN STOCKYARD!!! And that worked, now the cows move, but sideways and backwards!!!!! Can't have everything. Maybe if I pull their feet off, ow!, PETA will be calling, and turn the feet around, maybe, just maybe I will be in AF Cow heaven of having my cows go nicely into that stock car. With this, since this email is about cows and nothing about cows, I give you this cow video on you, as my cows will be doing this. And it mentions Che. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52469	From: knockbill	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > Does anyone out there have a wiring diagram for a coal > loader? I need a button too, how do I tell if it > should have a 2 or 3 button controller? Keith > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > if it has a separate coil at teh bottom of teh coal hopper, it is 3 button,, the 3rd button opens teh hopper when it is filled with coal, and dumps all at once.... john

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52470	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas

Yes; I found a great S Gauge Train Shop on Chandler Avenue. It's in a small strip mall near the airport. The shop is jam packed [floor to ceiling with S Gauge stuff, mostly American Flyer]. On my last trip I located new-in-the-box Las Vegas & Tonopah box cars that were an S Gauge Club's special edition. I ourchased all three for $ 50 each. Two weeks later I saw those same units for $ 170 each at a Greenburg Show. The owner is a wonderful person to deal with. Although I lost his card, you should not have difficulty finding him in the yellow pages under hobby shops. Call first as he and his wife are only open in the afternoon. Joe from New Hampshire In a message dated 2/3/2009 9:12:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, alan@... writes: List, A friend is heading to Las Vegas in a couple weeks and wants location of some S friendly shops. Or if you have an AF layout to visit? Thanks. - Alan Evans o Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52471	From: jim patterson	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas

04 Feb. '09. Hi. All. A few years ago I traveled to L.V (2002). I to was looking train store's. And my wife was going to a quilt show as well as other things. I did find a couple. None of which handled A.F. or "S" products. I did inquire for the shop staff if they knew of anyone in the local area that handle A.F. or "S'. The said there were a couple and gave me some contact info. Weather there are some stores there now or not is questionable. But! Good luck! Jim. --- On Wed, 2/4/09, rdgroup427 <rdgroup427@...> wrote: > From: rdgroup427 <rdgroup427@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:21 AM > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Evans" > <alan@...> wrote: > > > > List, > > > > A friend is heading to Las Vegas in a > couple weeks and > wants > > location of some S friendly shops. Or if you have an > AF layout to > visit? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > - Alan Evans > > > > o Gahanna, Ohio > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >There is a train store off Eastern just on the East > side of McCarrin > airport. It is mostly Lionel but they do have a nice > selection of AF > products in front and quite a bit in there back back room. > Real nice > couple run the place. There hours are later in the day. > It is worth > the stop. The store is in more like a business office type > area. If > you watch the planes landing West onto the runways there > store is > just on the flight path. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52472	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone out there have a wiring diagram for a coal > > loader? I need a button too, how do I tell if it > > should have a 2 or 3 button controller? Keith > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > if it has a separate coil at teh bottom of teh coal hopper, it is 3 > button,, the 3rd button opens teh hopper when it is filled with coal, > and dumps all at once.... > john >Port Line Hobbies has wiring diagrams for both 752 and 785 on their web site.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52473	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Repaints, restorations, or fakes?

Stumpy,   I couldn't agree more. I go to great pains making sure any of my Flyer repaints will never be mistaken as being anything but repaints. Most of the rolling stock I repaint ( usually from cast offs or junkers ) are done in liveries or paint schemes never produced by Gilbert. The lone exception ironically is a Royal Blue I refinished to go with a group of 650 series passenger cars I painted and decalled for a Royal Blue passenger train in the style I think Gilbert would have produced. I made sure to use a totally different shade of blue so the train can never be taken as anything but a repaint as well as changing the engine and cars to say American Flyer Line rather than Lines.   Bob Hendrickson,  still digging out in Jersey --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Repaints, restorations, or fakes? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:13 AM With the collectablity of Gilbert items, comes the desire on the part of collectors to have one or more of each piece and in fine condition. This sometimes leads to restorations and inevitably to fakes. As an example: In the case mentioned below, Royal Blue locos were restored/modified into Circus locos. In this case the restorer/dealer told the prospective buyer that these were not originals but reproductions, which is acceptable. But what about when this piece changes hands again? Or even again? Wouldn't changing them from their original Royal Blue livery to the red Circus color make them "fakes" since they were not restored to original Royal Blue condition? This is the same as taking a common old Camaro and changing the drivetrain, interior, paint, and decoration to pass it off as the rare Z-28 version. This is NOT considered a restoration in the vintage car world. Also, I would think that a reputable maker of such changed pieces would indelibly mark them as such in some incospicuous but visible location. We know that this often doesn't happen, "repros" and "fakes" are out there being passed as the real thing, particularly now with the advent of eBay. Lord knows that I have no problem repainting/customiz ing old Flyer, and I have taken abuse from time to time from collectors for it. But my stuff will never be confused with original or even repro items! This has long been an ethical question and the collector can only follow the old adage: Buyer beware. Stumpy Stone...making the tough comments again...from damn cold Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52474	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 752 coal loader

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "knockbill" <jdefelice@> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone out there have a wiring diagram for a coal > > > loader? I need a button too, how do I tell if it > > > should have a 2 or 3 button controller? Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > if it has a separate coil at teh bottom of teh coal hopper, it is 3 > > button,, the 3rd button opens teh hopper when it is filled with coal, > > and dumps all at once.... > > john > >Port Line Hobbies has wiring diagrams for both 752 and 785 on their > web site. > AND, WE ALSO HAVE THE CONTROL BUTTONS....2-BUTTON, OR 3-BUTTON VERSIONS. Doug Peck Port Lines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52475	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: 342AC tender

Does anyone have a tender available for sale for a 342AC 0-8-0 loco? I have a friend with a loco only who would very much like to have a tender to run his engine. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52476	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: White Mung on equipment

Correction: it does NOT finish wet or shiny like some chemicals. Sorry for the typo and any confusion. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > I've tried alcohol on a rag, a hair dryer, and a few other methods. > Many of them work quite well. Most recently, however, I worked on a > 1946 set with mung on nearly every car. I tried CRC 2-26 and was very > pleased. Wipes the mung right off and had no ill effects on lettering > or numbers. Spray some on a cotton cloth, wipe the car/wheels/etc., > wipe with a clean cotton cloth and let "dry". It does finish wet > looking or shiny like some chemicals do. Just a nice neat mung-free and > fresh looking finish. Fred Jester sells cans of it. Great stuff. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52477	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Buy and use some SureLine paint pad replacement material and your cows will work fine. Available at Home Depot and other similar stores for a lot less than parts dealers charge for "feet" and it works better. Experiment with the angle you need to cut the "feet" out of the rectangular pads at until you get the right balance between forward and angled out motion. There is a "grain" to the pad material. Once you get it they move smoothly around the perimeter and right up the ramp to the cattle car. I wrote down the correct offset years ago when I renewed mine and a few others, but would have to look around for it now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52478	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Hello All, For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52479	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender

Ben, there is one on E-Bay right now here is the # 320336542452 Mike S Its at $55 right now In a message dated 2/4/2009 3:52:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: Does anyone have a tender available for sale for a 342AC 0-8-0 loco? I have a friend with a loco only who would very much like to have a tender to run his engine. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks! Ben **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52480	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender

I think I have all the components and could put one together. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/04/2009 4:52:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: Does anyone have a tender available for sale for a 342AC 0-8-0 loco? I have a friend with a loco only who would very much like to have a tender to run his engine. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks! Ben **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Thanks, as I will give that a try! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Buy and use some SureLine paint pad replacement material and your cows will work fine. Available at Home Depot and other similar stores for a lot less than parts dealers charge for "feet" and it works better. Experiment with the angle you need to cut the "feet" out of the rectangular pads at until you get the right balance between forward and angled out motion. There is a "grain" to the pad material. Once you get it they move smoothly around the perimeter and right up the ramp to the cattle car. I wrote down the correct offset years ago when I renewed mine and a few others, but would have to look around for it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52482	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Thanks David. I hope you are feeling better. How fast you with your walker? Been there. Mike ----- Triginal Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Hello All, For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52483	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Thanks Jim for that advice. I will whip those cows into shape! Animal abuse, actually they are plastic. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Shaving my cows feet! Mike- I'm not sure why your cows are following over- perhaps some local teens are visiting at night to try their hands at "cow tipping"?! :) I'm pretty sure my stockyard cows have a problem with authority as they often do not do as they're told. Just as I get them all to move and load and unload, the next time I fire it up, they stand there like a bunch of stupid... well,... cows. Seriously, things I've found that help is to pay attention to the swirl pattern on the fabric pads. The swirl determines whether the cow goes left or right, clockwise or counter-clockwise. Also, the vibrating rubber pad on my pen works better when it is loose on the floor, not glued down to it. And finally, mine works best when it's vibrating like crazy under full power. Noisy, yes, but the cows move. Good luck! JImE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Larry and Vanessa Franklin" <yaheynow@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 7:52:59 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Shaving my cows feet! Shaving my cows feet, you ask, what the heck is writing about now. Well, the cows for the AF Stockyard! Even since I got the layout up, the cows, not just any cows, steers of beef, kept falling over, like they have been shot by extremist trying to assassinate Hugo and/or Che. The cows got replacement fuzzy feet, but that did not work. I even attempted to slow down the electric like football game stockyard floor. Even notice in these stockyards, you do not even see any by products from the cows or Texas Longhorns. I even got new and improved fuzzy replacement feet for the cows from a AF parts dealer. Cows still fell over. In discussion on the s list I was told to get a low wattage transformer for the cows to have their feet massage. Still the helpless cows feel over like they had mad cow disease! But wait, I saw the Baltimore Flyer club at Timonium with there layout at the train show this past weekend. I asked the guy operated his herd of cattle, why his bovine do not fall over but head into the stock car, stupidity only to headed to the Jungle of beef processing land. Upton Sinclair would be so proud, as this had to be the cleanest stockyard on earth. Why he said, shave the feet of your cows with a mustache trimmer to about a 1/8" and your cows will be heading off to market quickly. Why, I happen to have a mustache, since 1973 and I happen to have a 10 dollar deluxe trimmer. So, I trimmed all the feet of the cows. Not only did they not fall over, they did not move at all! So, what to do. Ah ha! TURN UP THE VIBRATION ON THE FLOOR OF THE VERY CLEAN STOCKYARD!!! And that worked, now the cows move, but sideways and backwards!!!!! Can't have everything. Maybe if I pull their feet off, ow!, PETA will be calling, and turn the feet around, maybe, just maybe I will be in AF Cow heaven of having my cows go nicely into that stock car. With this, since this email is about cows and nothing about cows, I give you this cow video on you, as my cows will be doing this. And it mentions Che. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52484	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Air Chime brakes?

Mike is right. Anyone can restore a 'lazy' diesel horn tube. The biggest challenge is getting it open. I finally opened the metal tube last night from the bottom. No cutting, just working the metal open until it would slide off the fiber base. It was interesting to watch it operate. There was plenty of arcing between the contact points when sounding the horn. And more arcing at higher voltages. I cleaned both sets of contact points with a diamond file (just like dressing the points on the old Triumph) Then I used contact cleaner to clean up. Adjusting is trial and error. The outer set of points was adjusted to a state where the horn was loud enough and the engine did not slow when the horn sounds. The rule of thumb learned is a wider gap produces more sound but slows the train; a tighter gap quiets the horn but does not affect train speed. The sweet spot for this tube was really tight at about 0.007 with a feeler gauge. I'll test it again tonight before reassembling. Even after dressing, cleaning and adjusting the points there is still some minimal arcing at the very top of the contact points. I'll assume this is normal but would still like to eliminate it if possible. When I close it up the metal will not be recrimped over the fiber base. I'll just cover the edge with a bead of RTV which will hold it together and cover the rough metal edge. That will make re- opening the tube easier and since it still arcs between the points it will need to be re-opened at some point. Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Even a klutz like me has cleaned tube generators. > > Just take a shape xacto knife and cut the tube along the edge of the bottom of the cardboard if cardboard for a clean cut. Then you will see two pieces of metal contacts that rub together. Clean in-between and test. If fine, take some glue, as I use a toothpick or something I got for the car, to touch up paint, and slide the tube back on. > > I have never opened a generator that has a metal tube, so maybe a dremel to cut it open the same way? > > And believe, I have blown up enough things to keep Doug Peck busy. LOL > > Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52485	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

REALLY DUMB QUESTION.... Where is the archives and how do you access??? Bob --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:57 PM Thanks David. I hope you are feeling better. How fast you with your walker? Been there. Mike ----- Triginal Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Hello All, For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52486	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

Good Morning All- I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not used". Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same linkage parts? Thanks in advance, Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52487	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?

Tim Benner wrote: > Mike is right. Anyone can restore a 'lazy' diesel horn tube. The > biggest challenge is getting it open. > > I finally opened the metal tube last night from the bottom. No > cutting, just working the metal open until it would slide off the > fiber base. It was interesting to watch it operate. There was > plenty of arcing between the contact points when sounding the horn. > And more arcing at higher voltages. Every time someone mentions one of those "tubes", I have to chuckle. I started playing with radios and electronics back in the late '50's and those things were common then. Every tube type car radio used a "vibrator" as they were called then to chop the dc voltage so the step up transformer could generate the several hundred volts that the tubes in the radio required. I have a couple of those Gilbert "tubes" and although never having taking one apart, I suspect it's the very same part used in the '50's car radios. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52488	From: jim patterson	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas

05 Feb. '09. Hi! Wood this store happen to have an e-address, or a land line? Tkanks! --- On Wed, 2/4/09, UNLV666@... <UNLV666@...> wrote: > From: UNLV666@... <UNLV666@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:17 AM > Yes; I found a great S Gauge Train Shop on Chandler Avenue. > It's in a small > strip mall near the airport. The shop is jam packed [floor > to ceiling with S > Gauge stuff, mostly American Flyer]. On my last trip I > located new-in-the-box > Las Vegas & Tonopah box cars that were an S Gauge > Club's special edition. I > ourchased all three for $ 50 each. Two weeks later I saw > those same units for > $ 170 each at a Greenburg Show. > > The owner is a wonderful person to deal with. Although I > lost his card, you > should not have difficulty finding him in the yellow pages > under hobby shops. > Call first as he and his wife are only open in the > afternoon. > > Joe from New Hampshire > > > In a message dated 2/3/2009 9:12:55 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, > alan@... writes: > > > > > List, > > A friend is heading to Las Vegas in a couple weeks and > wants > location of some S friendly shops. Or if you have an AF > layout to visit? > > Thanks. > > - Alan Evans > > o Gahanna, Ohio > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52489	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "Larry and Vanessa Franklin" <yaheynow@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 7:52:59 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Shaving my cows feet! > > Shaving my cows feet, you ask, what the heck is writing about now. > > Well, the cows for the AF Stockyard! > > Even since I got the layout up, the cows, not just any cows, steers of beef, kept falling over, like they have been shot by extremist trying to assassinate Hugo and/or Che. > > The cows got replacement fuzzy feet, but that did not work. > > I even attempted to slow down the electric like football game stockyard floor. Even notice in these stockyards, you do not even see any by products from the cows or Texas Longhorns. > > I even got new and improved fuzzy replacement feet for the cows from a AF parts dealer. > > Cows still fell over. > > In discussion on the s list I was told to get a low wattage transformer for the cows to have their feet massage. > > Still the helpless cows feel over like they had mad cow disease! > > But wait, I saw the Baltimore Flyer club at Timonium with there layout at the train show this past weekend. > > I asked the guy operated his herd of cattle, why his bovine do not fall over but head into the stock car, stupidity only to headed to the Jungle of beef processing land. Upton Sinclair would be so proud, as this had to be the cleanest stockyard on earth. > > Why he said, shave the feet of your cows with a mustache trimmer to about a 1/8" and your cows will be heading off to market quickly. > > Why, I happen to have a mustache, since 1973 and I happen to have a 10 dollar deluxe trimmer. > > So, I trimmed all the feet of the cows. Not only did they not fall over, they did not move at all! > > So, what to do. Ah ha! TURN UP THE VIBRATION ON THE FLOOR OF THE VERY CLEAN STOCKYARD!!! > > And that worked, now the cows move, but sideways and backwards!!!!! Can't have everything. > > Maybe if I pull their feet off, ow!, PETA will be calling, and turn the feet around, maybe, just maybe I will be in AF Cow heaven of having my cows go nicely into that stock car. > > With this, since this email is about cows and nothing about cows, I give you this cow video on you, as my cows will be doing this. And it mentions Che. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE > > Mike Marmer > > The stock yard I have only works right when no one else is around. If mine sets a while the vibrating pad sometimes will stick and is not completely free to move. Also try adjusting the voltage as it is also sensitive and needs a little fine tuning. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52490	From: William Porter	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Hi Bob, That is not dumb at all. The Yahoo site has a lot of features that most of us ignore or are not part of our routine. You want to visit the home page for the group. There may be a "Visit Your Group" link on the email notes you receive if you view them they way I do. If you do not have such a convenient link in your viewer, use this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ On the home page, there is a link to "Messages". Click it and start searching. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! REALLY DUMB QUESTION.... Where is the archives and how do you access??? Bob --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:57 PM Thanks David. I hope you are feeling better. How fast you with your walker? Been there. Mike ----- Triginal Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Hello All, For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52491	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas

Probably does, but I lost the business card. I will be back to visit him in May, though. I have never seen so much S stuff crammed into one location, from floor to ceiling and in the back rooms, too. You may be able to find him on the Internet Yellow Pages. There are only a few train stores in Las Vegas. In a message dated 2/5/2009 11:55:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kc6ktj@... writes: 05 Feb. '09. Hi! Wood this store happen to have an e-address, or a land line? Tkanks! --- On Wed, 2/4/09, _UNLV666@..._ (mailto:UNLV666@...) <_UNLV666@..._ (mailto:UNLV666@...) > wrote: > From: _UNLV666@..._ (mailto:UNLV666@...) <_UNLV666@..._ (mailto:UNLV666@...) > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Hobby Shops in Las Vegas > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:17 AM > Yes; I found a great S Gauge Train Shop on Chandler Avenue. > It's in a small > strip mall near the airport. The shop is jam packed [floor > to ceiling with S > Gauge stuff, mostly American Flyer]. On my last trip I > located new-in-the-box > Las Vegas & Tonopah box cars that were an S Gauge > Club's special edition. I > ourchased all three for $ 50 each. Two weeks later I saw > those same units for > $ 170 each at a Greenburg Show. > > The owner is a wonderful person to deal with. Although I > lost his card, you > should not have difficulty finding him in the yellow pages > under hobby shops. > Call first as he and his wife are only open in the > afternoon. > > Joe from New Hampshire > > > In a message dated 2/3/2009 9:12:55 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, > _alan@rockyforkprintalan@ro_ (mailto:alan@...) writes: > > > > > List, > > A friend is heading to Las Vegas in a couple weeks and > wants > location of some S friendly shops. Or if you have an AF > layout to visit? > > Thanks. > > - Alan Evans > > o Gahanna, Ohio > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > **************Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52492	From: John	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?

Does anyone have a schematic for this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Air Chime brakes? > Mike is right. Anyone can restore a 'lazy' diesel horn tube. The > biggest challenge is getting it open. > > I finally opened the metal tube last night from the bottom. No > cutting, just working the metal open until it would slide off the > fiber base. It was interesting to watch it operate. There was > plenty of arcing between the contact points when sounding the horn. > And more arcing at higher voltages. > > I cleaned both sets of contact points with a diamond file (just like > dressing the points on the old Triumph) Then I used contact cleaner > to clean up. Adjusting is trial and error. The outer set of points > was adjusted to a state where the horn was loud enough and the > engine did not slow when the horn sounds. The rule of thumb learned > is a wider gap produces more sound but slows the train; a tighter > gap quiets the horn but does not affect train speed. The sweet spot > for this tube was really tight at about 0.007 with a feeler gauge. > > I'll test it again tonight before reassembling. Even after > dressing, cleaning and adjusting the points there is still some > minimal arcing at the very top of the contact points. I'll assume > this is normal but would still like to eliminate it if possible. > > When I close it up the metal will not be recrimped over the fiber > base. I'll just cover the edge with a bead of RTV which will hold > it together and cover the rough metal edge. That will make re- > opening the tube easier and since it still arcs between the points > it will need to be re-opened at some point. > > Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52493	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

The 21168 parts needed for converting 21165 & 21166 locos are: (1) XA 16A537 Crosshead and Bracket; (2) PA 30A116 Main Rod; (2) PA7237 Piston Rod Spacer; (2) PA30C115 Side Rod; and (2) S5A37 Eccentric Crank Screw. All are available from HSS except the main rods I believe. The crosshead bracket, main, and side rods are used nowhere else of which I am aware . paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications Good Morning All- I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not used". Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same linkage parts? Thanks in advance, Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52494	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

Guess I'm not familiar with "HSS".  Google isn't much help either.  Can you give me the full name? Thanks, JimE ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:26:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications The 21168 parts needed for converting 21165 & 21166 locos are: (1) XA 16A537 Crosshead and Bracket; (2) PA 30A116 Main Rod; (2) PA7237 Piston Rod Spacer; (2) PA30C115 Side Rod; and (2) S5A37 Eccentric Crank Screw. All are available from HSS except the main rods I believe. The crosshead bracket, main, and side rods are used nowhere else of which I am aware . paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications Good Morning All- I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not used". Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same linkage parts? Thanks in advance, Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52495	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

Wow!  Thanks for all the info.! J ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:26:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications The 21168 parts needed for converting 21165 & 21166 locos are: (1) XA 16A537 Crosshead and Bracket; (2) PA 30A116 Main Rod; (2) PA7237 Piston Rod Spacer; (2) PA30C115 Side Rod; and (2) S5A37 Eccentric Crank Screw. All are available from HSS except the main rods I believe. The crosshead bracket, main, and side rods are used nowhere else of which I am aware . paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications Good Morning All- I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not used". Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same linkage parts? Thanks in advance, Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52496	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Bob, I believe all past messages are posted in the message area. You have to know in time what message you are looking for, as for example, I remember that in November of 1999 there was a big discussion on the stockyard, especially the vibration. I remember this, because I had major back surgery on 11-17-99, 10 hour ordeal, and I just signed up to the S list under the old regime before Yahoo. My wife did not know this, as she check email and had no clue why I was getting all these emails on trains, as the emails about what happens to the cows really made her laugh after a real stressful day. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! REALLY DUMB QUESTION.... Where is the archives and how do you access??? Bob --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:57 PM Thanks David. I hope you are feeling better. How fast you with your walker? Been there. Mike ----- Triginal Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Hello All, For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52497	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Hi Mike, My walker skills are similar to your cows - I tend to go in circles a lot - lol! But I haven't tipped over yet!!!!!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Thanks David. > > I hope you are feeling better. > > How fast you with your walker? > > Been there. > > Mike > ----- Triginal Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:31 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! > > > Hello All, > > For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow > pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost > anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a > treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how > many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested > solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52498	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism

This week at SHS….. On Monday our latest shipment was picked up at the container freight station. We received all roadnames of the SW8s, NW2s and the unlettered black SW8/9s (this latest run includes speaker, golden white LEDs and cab lights. These can be upgraded to Tsunami sound #01978). We are now installing Tsunami DCC sound units and shipping back orders to customers and dealers. We have been out of Tsunamis for over a month. We picked up a shipment at the Springfield show the previous week. More info can be found on our diesel switchers at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/SW8/sw8_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/NW2/nw2.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/SW9/sw9_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html Other items picked up at the warehouse include more 2009 catalogs, 3 bay PS2s (yes, the Union Carbide 3 bay PS2s are back in stock) and steam era square hatched covered hoppers. Additional cases of: 5”, 10” and 15” and straight track were also on the shipment. Links for some of these items can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/3BayPS2/3bayps2_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html http://www.showcaseline.com/track/SectionalTrack.html The last item is the long awaited #00979 AF replacement wheelsets for passenger cars, lighted cabooses, tenders and action cars. These allow AF operators to swap out wheelsets with plastic wheels for those with two metal wheels. These use our AF compatible wheel contours based on the NMRA RP-25 and a radius axle end that will decrease friction and allow engines to pull additional cars. The NMRA RP-25 wheel contour used a 3˚ tread instead of the flat tread found on AF wheels. A 3˚ wheel tread prevents hunting where the cars move from side to side as they travel down straight track. This also minimizes the contact surface of the tread and the railhead, which lowers the rolling resistance of the car. http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/wheelsets_in_stock.html The next shipment should include the next run of reefers, Rebuilt boxcars and the remaining roadnames of steam era square hatched covered hoppers (LV, GTW, CASO, NYC#2 and MEC#1). We are hoping the shipment will include the #00259 20” radius curved track. Strong starter train set sales this fall depleted our stock so we asked our builder to move this purchase order into production. Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52499	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

These two messages are about the most informative. I didn't remember that the black cattle were supposed to go in one direction and the brown the other! ;-) I may dig one of my cattle stations out and see if I can get it working. I apparently bought a set of cattle some time ago as I just found them in one of my parts bins. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/6306 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/9588 George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52500	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

HSS = Hobby Surplus Sales in New Britain CT. They have an online parts list at HobbySurplus.com as well as a printed catalog. You may find all of these parts new or used in small numbers from various other vendors, but most are not available as stocked items, except the screws and spacers which are common and used in numerous applications. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications Guess I'm not familiar with "HSS". Google isn't much help either. Can you give me the full name? Thanks, JimE ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:26:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications The 21168 parts needed for converting 21165 & 21166 locos are: (1) XA 16A537 Crosshead and Bracket; (2) PA 30A116 Main Rod; (2) PA7237 Piston Rod Spacer; (2) PA30C115 Side Rod; and (2) S5A37 Eccentric Crank Screw. All are available from HSS except the main rods I believe. The crosshead bracket, main, and side rods are used nowhere else of which I am aware . paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications Good Morning All- I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not used". Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same linkage parts? Thanks in advance, Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52501	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: HO PRICES

A lot of money for a repaint.----- TOO much --- On Tue, 2/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: HO PRICES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 2:20 AM The first time I bumped in to Gary Klein was at a train show. He was selling a few AF repaint circus trains. When I asked him about them he told me he had stripped some royal blue's to make the circus trains. Then he asked me if I had any royal blues for sale. Now I know some of you are in to repaints, and that's ok. I just didn't think what he was doing was right. As I looked at them they were so good I could not tell they were repaints. I would need to look for the date stamp in the cab. The price was about $350.00 at the time. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Mon, 2/2/09, lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. com> wrote: > From: lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: HO PRICES > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 4:48 PM > The price list is called "Gilbert HO Check List" > and the book/cd is > called "Gilbert American Flyer HO 1938-1963". A > mailing address for > him that is printed on the check list is PO Box 71, Veneta > OR 97487. > Mark > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "mikenguy9" > <mikenguy9@. ..> wrote: > > > > Somebody wanted HO pricea and a Gary Klein had a > book. > > > > What was the name of the book listing HO parts. and > > > > he also has a dvd? I deleted the message sorry > > > > Mike Rosz > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52502	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

The linkage for the 21168 is indeed unique to that engine. It is not reproduced, so the only source is from a "junker" 21168....not real common! Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Guess I'm not familiar with "HSS".  Google isn't much help either.  Can you give me the full name? > Thanks, > JimE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:26:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications > > > > > > > The 21168 parts needed for converting 21165 & 21166 locos are: > > (1) XA 16A537 Crosshead and Bracket; (2) PA 30A116 Main Rod; (2) PA7237 Piston Rod Spacer; (2) PA30C115 Side Rod; and (2) S5A37 Eccentric Crank Screw. All are available from HSS except the main rods I believe. The crosshead bracket, main, and side rods are used nowhere else of which I am aware . > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Ensign > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:01 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications > > Good Morning All- > > I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the > 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the > entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on > the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better > linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, > 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not > used". > > Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same > linkage parts? > > Thanks in advance, > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52503	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: AF 343 Switchers in Tandem

I like to run my two AF 343 Switchers in tandem. Of course, no two engines run at the same speed at a given transformer setting. Is it better to have the "faster" engine in front pulling the slower engine or the faster engine in back pushing the slower engine? Or does it not make any difference one way or the other.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52504	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Dave, I see you have a good attitude as that is key in recovery as I know it can be tuff. I bring my walker over someday and we can race. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Hi Mike, My walker skills are similar to your cows - I tend to go in circles a lot - lol! But I haven't tipped over yet!!!!!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Thanks David. > > I hope you are feeling better. > > How fast you with your walker? > > Been there. > > Mike > ----- Triginal Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:31 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! > > > Hello All, > > For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow > pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost > anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a > treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how > many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested > solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52505	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

That part I knew. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! These two messages are about the most informative. I didn't remember that the black cattle were supposed to go in one direction and the brown the other! ;-) I may dig one of my cattle stations out and see if I can get it working. I apparently bought a set of cattle some time ago as I just found them in one of my parts bins. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/6306 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/9588 George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 Switchers in Tandem

Put the faster one in front for sure... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/05/2009 7:31:39 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, milepost407@... writes: I like to run my two AF 343 Switchers in tandem. Of course, no two engines run at the same speed at a given transformer setting. Is it better to have the "faster" engine in front pulling the slower engine or the faster engine in back pushing the slower engine? Or does it not make any difference one way or the other. **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52507	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones type modifications

The side rod makes the Casey Jones LOOK like a cheap loco? Heck it IS a cheap loco! Even slathered in Armor All and photographed under the best conditions on eBay a really nice one trades for about $20. That may be too much money! The rare 21168 with complete side rods and smoke goes for WAY more money than it is worth as do the infamous "F-9" diesels. These have rarity going for them, but operationally are a complete disaster. The engineering is terrible and they look and run like crap! The Casey Jones is out of scale like the "Franklin" stuff, more "O narrow gauge" than S scale. None of the running gear interchanges with the better Flyer stuff, and since there is no can motor conversion availible they can't be made to run all that well. Still, as you may recall, leaving no stone unturned I did what I could with a Casey Jones last spring and the pix are posted here along with my customized Franklin items (since they're the same "scale") I made side rods from those off a junk Atlantic by cutting a soldering them together, added a Franklin tender, opened the windows up, and custom painted it. Looks better, but still doesn't run worth the effort I put into it. You can't polish a turd. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Mad Butcher...Have Dremel, will travel...In shivery Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52508	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 switchers in tandem

These are pretty good engines to "double head" because they can be coupled in the front and two of them together should be able to pull your teeth! Yep, in model railroading, it's fast engine in front. But in real steam railroading it wasn't so. On most railroads (but not all) the engine coupled to the train was the "through" or "road" engine, and the one in front was the "helper" engine. An old Pennsy fireman who used to work K-4 Pacifics on passenger trains told me that there were engineers on helper engines that would come back to the road engine and tell the engineer to "put a bulge in my tender." This meant that they wanted the road engineer to run as hard as he could. According to this fellow, when you heard that from the helper engineer, you could bet that you were in for a wild ride! Since most of K-4's were hand fired at the time, that also meant that you were going to have to shovel like mad to keep a fire going while the engine rocked and lurched over switches and crossovers at speed. (Hense the slag term for the fireman of "Ash Cat."The Pennsy and other roads with many hand fired locomotives often assigned two firemen to a locomotive to keep up with the steam demands! Stumpy Stone...lover of steam, but glad I didn't fire them...Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52509	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

Thanks, Doug.  I knew my idea was in trouble when your website didn't list the parts!  Most of the parts are available from Hobby Surplus Supply except the Main Rod, but they have $20.00 minimum order.   I might try to fabricate one.    I just thought upgrading the linkage and adding a headlight might be a relatively inexpensive and easy way to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse!  Oh well... Jim E.  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:57:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications The linkage for the 21168 is indeed unique to that engine. It is not reproduced, so the only source is from a "junker" 21168....not real common! Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , jimensign50@... wrote: > > Guess I'm not familiar with "HSS".  Google isn't much help either.  Can you give me the full name? > Thanks, > JimE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:26:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications > > > > > > > The 21168 parts needed for converting 21165 & 21166 locos are: > > (1) XA 16A537 Crosshead and Bracket; (2) PA 30A116 Main Rod; (2) PA7237 Piston Rod Spacer; (2) PA30C115 Side Rod; and (2) S5A37 Eccentric Crank Screw. All are available from HSS except the main rods I believe. The crosshead bracket, main, and side rods are used nowhere else of which I am aware . > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Ensign > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:01 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications > > Good Morning All- > > I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the > 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the > entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on > the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better > linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, > 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not > used". > > Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same > linkage parts? > > Thanks in advance, > Jim E. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52510	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Casey Jones-Type Modifications

It dawned on me later in the afternoon that the company must be Hobby Surplus.  I don't have them on my favorite vendor's list because of their $20.00 minimum order policy, but I have checked out the website several times.  My whole thought was an inexpensive upgrade for the 21165, but if I have to put $20 in up front as well as the cost of the engine, I might as well just find a decent 21168. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:14:39 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications HSS = Hobby Surplus Sales in New Britain CT. They have an online parts list at HobbySurplus.com as well as a printed catalog. You may find all of these parts new or used in small numbers from various other vendors, but most are not available as stocked items, except the screws and spacers which are common and used in numerous applications. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications Guess I'm not familiar with "HSS". Google isn't much help either. Can you give me the full name? Thanks, JimE ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" < hblanier@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:26:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications The 21168 parts needed for converting 21165 & 21166 locos are: (1) XA 16A537 Crosshead and Bracket; (2) PA 30A116 Main Rod; (2) PA7237 Piston Rod Spacer; (2) PA30C115 Side Rod; and (2) S5A37 Eccentric Crank Screw. All are available from HSS except the main rods I believe. The crosshead bracket, main, and side rods are used nowhere else of which I am aware . paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Casey Jones-Type Modifications Good Morning All- I'll bet some of you have experimented with modifying the pilot/ crossheads/linkage on the 21165/66 Casey Jones-type engines. They came out with a one piece linkage that makes the entire engine look rather cheap. I have tried to find a part number for the set-up used on the 21168, which has the same body shell and chassis, but has smoke and the better linkage. All i have for reference is a CD, which is supposed to list the parts for the 21165, 66, and 68. But it does not list the numbers for the linkage on the 21168. It just says "not used". Does anyone know if other engines, such as the Franklin, etc., might have used the same linkage parts? Thanks in advance, Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52511	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: 583a hookup

Does anyone have directions/schematic on how to hook-up the two-button controller to the 583a magnetic crane? The crane has three wires. The two button controller has 5 connections on the bottom. Help! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52512	From: G C	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 switchers in tandem

Mr Stumpy, you never fail to amaze and educate. Thanks, Gene Cimino ________________________________ From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 9:17:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF 343 switchers in tandem These are pretty good engines to "double head" because they can be coupled in the front and two of them together should be able to pull your teeth! Yep, in model railroading, it's fast engine in front. But in real steam railroading it wasn't so. On most railroads (but not all) the engine coupled to the train was the "through" or "road" engine, and the one in front was the "helper" engine. An old Pennsy fireman who used to work K-4 Pacifics on passenger trains told me that there were engineers on helper engines that would come back to the road engine and tell the engineer to "put a bulge in my tender." This meant that they wanted the road engineer to run as hard as he could. According to this fellow, when you heard that from the helper engineer, you could bet that you were in for a wild ride! Since most of K-4's were hand fired at the time, that also meant that you were going to have to shovel like mad to keep a fire going while the engine rocked and lurched over switches and crossovers at speed. (Hense the slag term for the fireman of "Ash Cat."The Pennsy and other roads with many hand fired locomotives often assigned two firemen to a locomotive to keep up with the steam demands! Stumpy Stone...lover of steam, but glad I didn't fire them...Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52513	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

american Flyers track plans and operating Instructions book by Jeff Faust does not have it. will keep looking. --- On Fri, 2/6/09, doug_cnw <dwyatt@...> wrote: From: doug_cnw <dwyatt@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 583a hookup To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 9:36 AM Does anyone have directions/schemati c on how to hook-up the two-button controller to the 583a magnetic crane? The crane has three wires. The two button controller has 5 connections on the bottom. Help! Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52514	From: G C	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Mike and others with "Mad Cow Syndrome" L.O.L. Maybe I don't understand how everything is supposed to function, but how about using some material from those little thin refrigerator magnets that you get as freebies. I'm rewfering to the type that are used as advertisements.They are very thin and I'm sure you could cut out pieces to fit on the "cow's feet". Just an idea. Gene Cimino ________________________________ From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 8:54:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Dave, I see you have a good attitude as that is key in recovery as I know it can be tuff. I bring my walker over someday and we can race. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Hi Mike, My walker skills are similar to your cows - I tend to go in circles a lot - lol! But I haven't tipped over yet!!!!!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@.. .> wrote: > > Thanks David. > > I hope you are feeling better. > > How fast you with your walker? > > Been there. > > Mike > ----- Triginal Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:31 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! > > > Hello All, > > For lots of information on cow feet, pads, angles, etc just enter "cow > pads" in the Search Messages window and - sheezam - you'll find almost > anything you could need right here in the archives. We have a > treasure trove of information in the archives and it surprises me how > many of us forget to check them out to find numerous suggested > solutions to our questions. Try it - you'l like it! > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52515	From: rpuls3	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" <dwyatt@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have directions/schematic on how to hook-up the two-button > controller to the 583a magnetic crane? The crane has three wires. > The two button controller has 5 connections on the bottom. Help! > > Doug > HI Doug, I was going to email a scan I got out of "Greenbergs American Flyer repair manual" but I don't know how to add an attachment. If you have the hardcover manual, mine was printed in 1988 the diagram is on page 521. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52516	From: Paul	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Gene, others may correct me quickly, but as I understand, there are "left turning" and "right turning" cows. The short fuzz on the fabric on the bottom is angled one way to push the bovine left and the opposite for a right turn. When the fuzz wears down, nothing happens, so new "feet" are necessary. The turn direction causes the animal to line up in the chute to load. Putting a cow into the wrong pen might even cause him so much reluctance to load that he winds up facing the fence, I am not sure. What I do know is that as a meat cutter here in the south west corner of Stumpy's icebox called Ohio, I often razz new meat employees. You should see the looks I get when I ask whether the cow is a clockwise or counterclockwise cow from West Virginia. Clockwise cows have shorter right legs to keep them vertical while strolling around the hill. Counterclockwise animals have short left legs. Neither can get into the wrong group since walking the wrong direction causes their body to lean at a 45 degree angle and they fall over. Same same with our stuff, wrong angled legs in the wrong pen and no way can they follow to load. Stumpy, it is gently warming in my corner! Paul "Mike and others with "Mad Cow Syndrome" L.O.L. Maybe I don't understand how everything is supposed to function, but how about using some material from those little thin refrigerator magnets that you get as freebies."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52517	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Baldwin Deisel squeals

I'm looking for any advice on how to reduce the loud, high pitch, squeal that my Baldwin Diesel exhibits when running. I recently replaced the AC motor with a new can motor. The performance is much improved, but it is still quite loud. Also, it seems that the turn radius of the engine has been reduced a little with the can motor. That just might be the price to pay for the can motor, but if anyone has any suggestions I would much appreciate it. Thanks, -AJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52518	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

First, note that the field has three connections, as it is a double- wound field. Two connections are on the side of the field next to the gear box. One connection is on the opposite side of the field. ---------A ! Field ! Gear Box ! ! is here B--------C From the control button, GREEN wire connects to the field at "A" RED wire connects at "C" BLACK connects to a brush One wire fom the magnet also connects to that same brush. The other magnet wire connects to the remaining brush. A jumper wire connects from that same brush to "B". Hope the diagram posts OK....best I can do. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > american Flyers track plans and operating Instructions book by Jeff Faust does not have it. > will keep looking. > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, doug_cnw <dwyatt@...> wrote: > > From: doug_cnw <dwyatt@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 583a hookup > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 9:36 AM > > > > > > > Does anyone have directions/schemati c on how to hook-up the two- button > controller to the 583a magnetic crane? The crane has three wires. > The two button controller has 5 connections on the bottom. Help! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52519	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Baldwin Deisel squeals

Put a tiny drop of Wahls Clipper oil (or it's equivilent) on the motor shaft where it exits the front of the motor. Hold the motor upright for a few seconds. The bronze bushing is probably dry. In a message dated 02/06/2009 1:29:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ajjohnson.pdx@... writes: I'm looking for any advice on how to reduce the loud, high pitch, squeal that my Baldwin Diesel exhibits when running. I recently replaced the AC motor with a new can motor. The performance is much improved, but it is still quite loud. Also, it seems that the turn radius of the engine has been reduced a little with the can motor. That just might be the price to pay for the can motor, but if anyone has any suggestions I would much appreciate it. Thanks, -AJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52520	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" <dwyatt@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have directions/schematic on how to hook-up the two-button > controller to the 583a magnetic crane? I want to thank everyone for their responses.....and the instruction sheet that Larry sent. Unfortunately, I guess I wasn't completely clear in my question. The button I have may be a repro. It does not look like it was ever used...and no wires are attached to it. On the bottom there are no indicators as to what color wire to connect to which terminal. There are 4 solder terminals. One is attached to a long copper bus that looks like it connects to both buttons inside. This may not show up correctly, but this is what it looks like on the bottom. 0 -------0 0 these 3 are in a row and are under the buttons 0 I have 3 wires from the crane and two from the transformer. I am trying to figure which wires go where. My guess would be that the 3 wires from the crane go to the 3 terminals in the row, with the black going to the terminal attached to the bus. That leaves the 1 terminal by itself for a connection to the transformer. Where would the other wire from the transformer connect? Thanks again. Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52521	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Analog TV!

Analog TV has arrived today at the D&K Company RR town. It was a grand occasion as Hugo directed the painted Plasticville TV antenna on to the painted base of concrete. Now all the citizens of D&K may view the one channel controlled by Hugo and Che, as the sponsor is Citgo and Joe For Oil. Terrapin Taco signed a deal for a restaurant advertiser, as well as meals at the Branford Dinner featuring American Flyer plastic steak, cut from selected Prime Angus Plastic Steer that are not walking very well into the stock cars yet. Mean while, the Hugo Landscaping Services where putting down grass and dirt around the AF water towers, they cut the power line to the light in the water towers. Then they hooked up the line back and no lights. And somehow, the supermarket and Hardware store lost their lights too. So, had to back track the lines under the table and now all is fine. Progress at D&K with its WPLA TV station soon to be changed over to WDKR TV as Friday night boxing from South America is now being shown. Oh, this is a real tragedy. A new phone is needed since this building was not expected to be on the layout. A last minute "change" in the plans. As it is stated in the Constitution of D&K RR, all buildings will have it own phone booth. So now, at York this April, we search for the needed Plastic Phone booth, as the market for phone booths have fallen dramatically. At least they are no longer $35 each. More like 10. No wonder the economy is tanking. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52522	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: Re: Analog TV!

I forgot, WPLA is now signing off for the night, as we play our National Anthem played by the D&K RR Symphony Orchestra and the test pattern will come with that horrible sound, bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb, till 6 AM as we bring you children's programming of A.C. Gilbert's Wonderland in South America featuring those silly dancing Guinea Pigs from Peru. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; S Trains Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Analog TV! Analog TV has arrived today at the D&K Company RR town. It was a grand occasion as Hugo directed the painted Plasticville TV antenna on to the painted base of concrete. Now all the citizens of D&K may view the one channel controlled by Hugo and Che, as the sponsor is Citgo and Joe For Oil. Terrapin Taco signed a deal for a restaurant advertiser, as well as meals at the Branford Dinner featuring American Flyer plastic steak, cut from selected Prime Angus Plastic Steer that are not walking very well into the stock cars yet. Mean while, the Hugo Landscaping Services where putting down grass and dirt around the AF water towers, they cut the power line to the light in the water towers. Then they hooked up the line back and no lights. And somehow, the supermarket and Hardware store lost their lights too. So, had to back track the lines under the table and now all is fine. Progress at D&K with its WPLA TV station soon to be changed over to WDKR TV as Friday night boxing from South America is now being shown. Oh, this is a real tragedy. A new phone is needed since this building was not expected to be on the layout. A last minute "change" in the plans. As it is stated in the Constitution of D&K RR, all buildings will have it own phone booth. So now, at York this April, we search for the needed Plastic Phone booth, as the market for phone booths have fallen dramatically. At least they are no longer $35 each. More like 10. No wonder the economy is tanking. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52523	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 2/6/2009
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Website On Line (Really!)

Good afternoon. Well, I wrote in a previous post that the new 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine website would be up and running at 9am this past Monday, but some issues arose (more than one of which were my own fault) and it didn't happen. But it's up and running now! The URL is the same: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com There are a couple of adjustments I have to make. For openers, you're supposed to be able to enter the site by clicking anywhere on the image of the current issue. At least that's how it works in preview mode. The reality is that you can click anywhere along the edge of the photo, but not on the photo itself! I'm working on that one right now. It's no secret that the magazine needs more advertisers, especially from the "big players" in the scale. To make it easier for advertisers, there is an "Advertise With Us" button that brings up a page where the current rate card may be downloaded (PDF). In addition, there is a link to a display ad reservation form that may be filled out and e-mailed back. There is a glitch in the form, however, in the "Submit" button; it's not e-mailing properly. That's another one that's high on the "gotta fix this quick" list. The last glitch I've found so far is the e-mail account for subscription problems/inquiries is not working. Despite these hiccups, the site seems to be working well and I think it looks pretty good. Of course, there'll be additions and changes, from time to time, so please check it out and give me your feedback. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52524	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

Doug, It does make it more complicated, if your button is not wired. I do not own a 583 so I do not have one to refer to. I will do a little more research and see if I can come up with the wiring . Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: dwyatt@...: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 02:17:50 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 583a hookup --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" <dwyatt@...> wrote:>> Does anyone have directions/schematic on how to hook-up the two-button> controller to the 583a magnetic crane? I want to thank everyone for their responses.....and the instructionsheet that Larry sent.Unfortunately, I guess I wasn't completely clear in my question. Thebutton I have may be a repro. It does not look like it was everused...and no wires are attached to it. On the bottom there are noindicators as to what color wire to connect to which terminal. Thereare 4 solder terminals. One is attached to a long copper bus thatlooks like it connects to both buttons inside. This may not show upcorrectly, but this is what it looks like on the bottom.0 -------0 0 these 3 are in a row and are under the buttons0I have 3 wires from the crane and two from the transformer. I amtrying to figure which wires go where. My guess would be that the 3 wires from the crane go to the 3terminals in the row, with the black going to the terminal attached tothe bus. That leaves the 1 terminal by itself for a connection to thetransformer. Where would the other wire from the transformer connect?Thanks again.Doug _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52525	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

I have the three types of coal loaders, but I am off to work now. If no one helps you I will look in to it for you. You may have the wrong type of button, and need to get the right one. Clayton --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 583a hookup > To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 8:26 PM > Doug, It does make it more complicated, if your button is > not wired. I do not own a 583 so I do not have one to refer > to. I will do a little more research and see if I can come > up with the wiring . Thanks, Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: dwyatt@...: > Sat, 7 Feb 2009 02:17:50 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 583a > hookup > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" > <dwyatt@...> wrote:>> Does anyone have > directions/schematic on how to hook-up the two-button> > controller to the 583a magnetic crane? I want to thank > everyone for their responses.....and the instructionsheet > that Larry sent.Unfortunately, I guess I wasn't > completely clear in my question. Thebutton I have may be a > repro. It does not look like it was everused...and no wires > are attached to it. On the bottom there are noindicators as > to what color wire to connect to which terminal. Thereare 4 > solder terminals. One is attached to a long copper bus > thatlooks like it connects to both buttons inside. This may > not show upcorrectly, but this is what it looks like on the > bottom.0 -------0 0 these 3 are in a row and are under the > buttons0I have 3 wires from the crane and two from the > transformer. I amtrying to figure which wires go where. My > guess would be that the 3 wires from the crane go to the > 3terminals in the row, with the black going to the terminal > attached tothe bus. That leaves the 1 terminal by itself for > a connection to thetransformer. Where would the other wire > from the transformer connect?Thanks again.Doug > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to > connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52526	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

Sorry....I misunderstood what you wanted as well. (And my original diagram of the crane wiring apparently got crunched by Yahoo.....it is drawn with the gear box to the right of the motor field.) Assuming that all the crane wires are connected to the crane motor where they're supposed to connect....... The left-most lug, set aside by itself, is the RED wire to the crane.This connection is underneath the RED button. The right-most lug is the GREEN wire to the crane. This connection is underneath the GREEN button. And the central lug is the YELLOW wire to the crane PLUS a separate yellow wire to the transformer 17v post. The separate lug, near the edge of the button, is the BLACK wire from the crane, PLUS a separate black wire to transformer BASE post. Hope that helps. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" <dwyatt@...> wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" <dwyatt@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have directions/schematic on how to hook-up the two- button > > controller to the 583a magnetic crane? > > I want to thank everyone for their responses.....and the instruction > sheet that Larry sent. > > Unfortunately, I guess I wasn't completely clear in my question. The > button I have may be a repro. It does not look like it was ever > used...and no wires are attached to it. On the bottom there are no > indicators as to what color wire to connect to which terminal. There > are 4 solder terminals. One is attached to a long copper bus that > looks like it connects to both buttons inside. This may not show up > correctly, but this is what it looks like on the bottom. > > 0 -------0 0 these 3 are in a row and are under the buttons > > 0 > > > I have 3 wires from the crane and two from the transformer. I am > trying to figure which wires go where. > > My guess would be that the 3 wires from the crane go to the 3 > terminals in the row, with the black going to the terminal attached to > the bus. That leaves the 1 terminal by itself for a connection to the > transformer. Where would the other wire from the transformer connect? > > Thanks again. > > Doug >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52527	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: 1946 AF #650

Hi all- I think I recently got burned on eBay. I bought what was listed as a 1946 #650 coach. The only things 1946 about it, as far as I can tell, are the trucks. I think the trucks were riveted onto a later metal chassis with repro rivets. Can anyone confirm if any 1946 cars had a metal frame? I am fairly confident that the rivets are fresh as there is "metal dust" around the rivet on each truck telling me they were recently installed. I wrote the the seller, but no response. Also...won't be buying anymore 1946 equipment over eBay I guess. I will save this for shows from now on. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52528	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > The left-most lug, set aside by itself, is the RED wire to the > crane.This connection is underneath the RED button. > The right-most lug is the GREEN wire to the crane. This connection is > underneath the GREEN button. > And the central lug is the YELLOW wire to the crane PLUS a separate > yellow wire to the transformer 17v post. > The separate lug, near the edge of the button, is the BLACK wire from > the crane, PLUS a separate black wire to transformer BASE post. Thanks Doug. I think I am getting close. However, the crane only has three wires: red, black and green. No yellow wire. I was guessing the red and green wires were connected to the lugs underneath those colored buttons. So, it is the black wire from the crane and a black and yellow wire from the transformer. Assumption is that the two black wires get connected together and to a post. Only two choices that I can figure. Not sure if I would burn something out trying them. Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52529	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????

Did Gilbert make a T&P 370? E-Bay item # 220357750825 Mike S **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52530	From: G C	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Thank you so much for explaining the anatomical characteristics of these "select" cows. I must have missed the episode when Gregg House explained all of this to his staff. All genetic characteristics aside, one has to keep up or one gets horribly lost (sure hope the cows don't). In any event, I sincerely wish all those owning cows with this affliction will soon find the much needed cure. In the meantime, I will differ to others who have infinitely more knowledge and experience on the subject. Guess I won't be winning the Nobel Prize in Vet Med this time around. Maybe next year. Dr. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52531	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Fw: Trains shops in vegas.

Al sent this to by mistake. He said it was okay to sent to the list. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Al To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Trains shops in vegas. Mike, If your friend is coming through Utah, specifically Salt Lake City, he would be able to find AF trains in 2 shops: The Train Shoppe - 900 E. 490 S. - They have a very small inventory of AF trains. MRS - Model Railroad Supplies - 700 E. 9850 So. in Sandy, Ut - They have a small inventory of American Flyer trains. Most model train stores in Utah have quit carrying AF trains because most collectors and members of my club buy via e-mail through Portlines, Charles Ro, etc. There are 3 main train shows in Utah: 1) The Wasatch Rails (NMRA) Show usually the first weekend of November. This is held in Salt Lake City at the Utah State Fair Park in the Grand Building. Runs for 3 days. 2 floors of model train layouts of all types and lots of vendors. 2) The Ophir-Tintic & Western Railroad Show held at Thanksgiving Point in Lehi, Utah (32 miles south of Salt Lake along I-15). Runs for 2 days. 2nd largest show in Utah. Lots of model train layouts and vendors. 3) The Hostler's Model Railroad Show held at Union Station, 25th and Wall Ave., Ogden, Utah (45 miles north of Salt Lake along I-15). This year it will be held March 6, 7, & 8, 2009. This is the largest train show in Utah. Includes the Union Pacific train museum, the entire Union Station, the John Browning Arms Gun and Rifle Museum, The Eccles Automobile Museum. Al Rawdon VP Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club alsflyer@... website: www.gsaftc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52532	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: WPLA TV Breaking News

WPLA TV in one analog reception, soon to be WDKR ATV, not DTV, announces the signing of broadcast of D&K RR Baseball!!!!!!! However, there is only one antenni in town and that is at the Branford Diner. Rumors have it that the Branford Diner will soon be renamed Hugo's All South American Diner featuring those silly Dancing Guinea Pigs from Peru, imported daily. So, if you want to watch real good baseball, come down to the Branford Diner, grab a pig, and enjoy. And remember, there are always booths for ladies at the Branford Diner and TV. Branford Diner operating since 1950, where change is coming real soon, with D&K RR Baseball. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52533	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: Hugo's All South American Diner

Dear Mike, Will chef Hugo's menu include Roast Capabera? Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52534	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????

That should be 474-475 or 477-478, Mike Steve In a message dated 02/07/2009 9:53:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@... writes: Did Gilbert make a T&P 370? E-Bay item # 220357750825 Mike S ************************<WBR>**Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a flor now. (_http://yellowpages.http://yellowpahttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52535	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: Hugo's All South American Diner

Don, You mean those things I call Cappy Bars those big rodent things. Yes, Hugo's will have that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: don@... To: yaheynow@... ; steve@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; cookster1030@... ; steve.conard@... ; ralcor888@... ; jsnell5990@... ; Toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Hugo's All South American Diner Dear Mike, Will chef Hugo's menu include Roast Capabera? Best, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52536	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 1946 AF #650

You must like bananas! I think they may have made some flatcars with diecast chassis but most were made of unreinforced, shrinking (banana shaped) plastic. eBay is a lottery. But then I buy the odd lottery ticket! Of 1946 stock I have two back oil cars, two coal hoppers, one caboose, one 310, three S gauge Atlantics and one o gauge Atlantic. All of the S gauge locos need the tires glued back on, Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bstilesaf Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 1946 AF #650 Hi all- I think I recently got burned on eBay. I bought what was listed as a 1946 #650 coach. The only things 1946 about it, as far as I can tell, are the trucks. I think the trucks were riveted onto a later metal chassis with repro rivets. Can anyone confirm if any 1946 cars had a metal frame? I am fairly confident that the rivets are fresh as there is "metal dust" around the rivet on each truck telling me they were recently installed. I wrote the the seller, but no response. Also...won't be buying anymore 1946 equipment over eBay I guess. I will save this for shows from now on. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52537	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 1946 AF #650

Ben, In my experience, the following applies concerning the frames for the 650 series passenger cars: Plastic frame (1946), diecast frame (1947-1951), and sheet metal frame (1952-1953). Also, link couplers (which I'm sure you are already aware of, but I'll add for those that are not, are: 1946: thin shank, no weight. 1947: thick shank, no weight. 1948: brass weight. 1949-1953: black weight. Also, when buying on Ebay, it's really important to nail the seller down on specifics if you can't clearly tell by the scans he provides what is actually being offered, since trucks, frames, and parts can easily be changed out or replaced. I've found that unless I ask specific questions concerning the aforementioned and especially concerning actual condition (cracks, dents, scratches, brakewheels, trucks, rust, oxidation, etc.) you really can't tell what you are bidding on unless the seller specifically mentions the abnormalities that may stick in your crawl. For me, that would be chipped catwalks, missing brakewheels, broken couplers, cracks, dents, heavy scratches, missing pieces, and rust. Hope this helps. Bruce TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 1946 AF #650 Hi all- I think I recently got burned on eBay. I bought what was listed as a 1946 #650 coach. The only things 1946 about it, as far as I can tell, are the trucks. I think the trucks were riveted onto a later metal chassis with repro rivets. Can anyone confirm if any 1946 cars had a metal frame? I am fairly confident that the rivets are fresh as there is "metal dust" around the rivet on each truck telling me they were recently installed. I wrote the the seller, but no response. Also...won't be buying anymore 1946 equipment over eBay I guess. I will save this for shows from now on. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52538	From: Jim King	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Kits now shipping

The Southern and C&O pulpwood rack kits started shipping to dealers yesterday. Mail orders will start shipping Tuesday. If you still want one or more, it's not too late but once the initial batch of kits are cast and packaged (plus a few spares), I'm moving on to the next project full-force, so expect some delay in receiving kits from this "second batch". Contact me off list to place your order. I'm still offering a 10% discount if you order ANY road name combination of 3 kits ($199 including shipping). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52539	From: Jim King	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Next project will be ...

.. the GE 70-tonner. Many of these engines are still in revenue service on shortlines or in industrial operations all over the country. The Modesto & Empire Traction in Calif. runs a fleet of these, covered in recent RMC articles. I've received enough dealer and direct commitment to get this project going again. Now that I have the can motors in hand, I'm comfortable with moving forward. The CAD work will be done by mid-March; production is expected to commence by late-March. The gearbox will be narrow enough to possibly allow modelers to "narrow gauge" it to Sn3 and Sn42. Both versions of this never-before-produced-in-S-scale engine will be offered: early (no front grill, round headlights) and late (tall front grill, rect. headlights). Each engine will have all-wheel pickup and wired for DC, but there will be room for a DCC board and speaker. Due to very low interest in having these engines offered with hi-rail flanges (with scale couplers), this option will likely be dropped. Retail price will be $325. Contact your favorite dealer or me (off-list) to place an order. A 50% non-refundable deposit is required to guarantee your order ($162.50); those not opting to place a deposit will be subject to getting them at the tail end of production or not at all if I run out of can motors or other purchased drive-mechanism parts. Just to see if you are reading this far down, either the B&O M53 wagon-top box or the B&O I-5c/d caboose will follow the diesel. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52540	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????

Thank You Steve, its a 370 GM repainted. Mike In a message dated 2/7/2009 11:42:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, boss31@... writes: That should be 474-475 or 477-478, Mike Steve In a message dated 02/07/2009 9:53:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: Did Gilbert make a T&P 370? E-Bay item # 220357750825 Mike S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52541	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/8/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52542	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 343 Switchers in Tandem

Thanks to Steve at SnS Trains and Stumpy Stone for their advice concerning double heading my two 343 Switchers. They are up and running strong. I plan on testing just how many cars they are capable of pulling.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52543	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????

It looks like a 370 that has been repainted for T&P. Gilbert units have a decal below the cab windows.   Bill Drake --- On Sat, 2/7/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 370 T&P ????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 1:34 PM That should be 474-475 or 477-478, Mike Steve In a message dated 02/07/2009 9:53:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@aol. com writes: Did Gilbert make a T&P 370? E-Bay item # 220357750825 Mike S ************ ********* ***<WBR>* *Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a flor now. (_http://yellowpages. http://yellowpah ttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt< WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages. aol.com/search? query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyel p00000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages. aol.com/search? query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyel p00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52544	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????

Did the seller tell you it was a repaint?  Based on the playwear on the engine, my guess would be that it was a 47x shell with number boards replaced and mounted on a 370 chassis.   Did you notice that is has no power pickup shoes? --- On Sat, 2/7/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 370 T&P ????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 1:08 PM Thank You Steve, its a 370 GM repainted. Mike In a message dated 2/7/2009 11:42:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, boss31@... writes: That should be 474-475 or 477-478, Mike Steve In a message dated 02/07/2009 9:53:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, _anormal1@aol. ano_ (mailto:anormal1@aol. com) writes: Did Gilbert make a T&P 370? E-Bay item # 220357750825 Mike S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52545	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

There need to be two connections........one from that center lug to the transformer's fixed voltage post, and another to the Base post. I'm guessing that some wires have been changed at some point on yours. I had described the two black wires as being connected at that 4th lug, and then connected to BASE.........that lug is really just a junction point......it isn't necessary. The black wire from the crane can be run directly to the transformer BASE post; ther's no need for it to connect via that lug. Maybe that helps. The key is that black and yellow provide your actual transformer power connections. Reg and Green complete that circuit when pushed, activating the crane one direction or the other. You're not going to burn anything out as long as you just test with momentary contact..........you'll only do damage if it's sustained. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of doug_cnw Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 583a hookup --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > The left-most lug, set aside by itself, is the RED wire to the > crane.This connection is underneath the RED button. > The right-most lug is the GREEN wire to the crane. This connection is > underneath the GREEN button. > And the central lug is the YELLOW wire to the crane PLUS a separate > yellow wire to the transformer 17v post. > The separate lug, near the edge of the button, is the BLACK wire from > the crane, PLUS a separate black wire to transformer BASE post. Thanks Doug. I think I am getting close. However, the crane only has three wires: red, black and green. No yellow wire. I was guessing the red and green wires were connected to the lugs underneath those colored buttons. So, it is the black wire from the crane and a black and yellow wire from the transformer. Assumption is that the two black wires get connected together and to a post. Only two choices that I can figure. Not sure if I would burn something out trying them. Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52546	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: What to do tomorrow,

Is there a S fest coming up soon? Thought I saw some mention of it, But i guess i deleted it. Mike Rosz ____________________________________________________________ We bet you'll have fun at these great online poker sites! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3YJzu5JiiOOpP79zmRfPtF3VnByscrLg8Hy29dL678RMiSX/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52547	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender

QUESTIONS How many wires do you need coming out of the tender? That is a 4 pin to hook up to the engine? ____________________________________________________________ Don't give up hope! Click here for professional marriage counseling! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3X7rx3MYECtKUfeugViBBoJCewYmxCA7laAl3Zlkdez6EtV/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52548	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/7/2009
Subject: Re: 1946 AF #650

Adding to Bruce's excellent info, consider this: 1. Not all sellers are knowledgeable collectors. If they are like me, they don't even know that some of these details should be specified. If these details are important to you, then you gotta ask before you bid!!! 2. If parts have been swapped-out or changed, then remember that it may have been done by an owner previous to the seller. We are typically dealing with 50+ year old stuff here folks, which often has changed hands several times and who know who was the one to make the changes... Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Ben, > > In my experience, the following applies concerning the frames for the 650 series passenger cars: > > Plastic frame (1946), diecast frame (1947-1951), and sheet metal frame (1952-1953). Also, link couplers (which I'm sure you are already aware of, but I'll add for those that are not, are: 1946: thin shank, no weight. 1947: thick shank, no weight. 1948: brass weight. 1949-1953: black weight. > > Also, when buying on Ebay, it's really important to nail the seller down on specifics if you can't clearly tell by the scans he provides what is actually being offered, since trucks, frames, and parts can easily be changed out or replaced. I've found that unless I ask specific questions concerning the aforementioned and especially concerning actual condition (cracks, dents, scratches, brakewheels, trucks, rust, oxidation, etc.) you really can't tell what you are bidding on unless the seller specifically mentions the abnormalities that may stick in your crawl. For me, that would be chipped catwalks, missing brakewheels, broken couplers, cracks, dents, heavy scratches, missing pieces, and rust. > > Hope this helps. > > Bruce > TCA 81-16572 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bstilesaf > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:52 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 1946 AF #650 > > > Hi all- > > I think I recently got burned on eBay. I bought what was listed as a > 1946 #650 coach. The only things 1946 about it, as far as I can tell, > are the trucks. I think the trucks were riveted onto a later metal > chassis with repro rivets. Can anyone confirm if any 1946 cars had a > metal frame? I am fairly confident that the rivets are fresh as there > is "metal dust" around the rivet on each truck telling me they were > recently installed. > > I wrote the the seller, but no response. Also...won't be buying > anymore 1946 equipment over eBay I guess. I will save this for shows > from now on. > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52549	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Fw: legal news

I got some O scale grand stands for the ballpark and the story below is the result of that by my unnamed O gauge friend. Mike Dingburg MD (AP) - the legal firm of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe has filed a class-action suit in Maryland Common Pleas Court on behalf of thirty clients who claim to have been injured while attending minor-league baseball games. The Dingburg Pinheads play home games at S Helper Stadium, a facility owned by D&K Railroad. Polly Styrene, a petite blond lass who stands almost exactly 1" tall, alleges that she sat down on her bleacher seat, only to slip between the boards and fall some 3" to a hard landing on flock-covered 3/4" plywood. Subsequent investigation by the DC&H team revealed that D&K management used O scale materials to construct the bleachers. The 1/48 scale lumber left dangerous wide gaps that presented significant hazards to 1/64 scale people. The Commissioner of Baseball has ordered play suspended pending outcome of litigation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52550	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender

4 is the factory configuration. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/07/2009 8:44:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, n9guy@... writes: QUESTIONS How many wires do you need coming out of the tender? That is a 4 pin to hook up to the engine? ____________________________________________________________ Don't give up hope! Click here for professional marriage counseling! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3X7rx3MYECtKUfeugViBBoJCewYm xCA7laAl3Zlkdez6EtV/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52551	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Fw: pinhead TV

Another story about my one tv town from my O gauge friend: thousands of Dingburg MD residents complained to the FCC that their television sets only displayed three-fourths of the expected picture. Frustrated viewers phoned NBC affiliate WDKR complaining that NBC NIGHTL showed only the hair, forehead and nose of anchor Brian Williams. Several hearing-impaired residents could not understand a word he was saying because they were unable to see his lips moving. WDKR received even more complaints when the station aired a taped concert by country star Dolly Parton, and irate viewers found that her most important assets lay slightly outside the visible portion of the image. Investigators dispatched to the scene discovered that technicians had erroneously installed a 1/48 transmitter, whose picture signal is too large for 1/64 television sets. When will they ever learn.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52552	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Fw: Maryland broadcaster fined

The following was written by a very good O gauge friend in response to my analog TV station: Dingburg, MD (Reuters) - the Federal Communications Commission has levied a $10,000,000 fine against Marmer Communications Inc. for installing an analog television transmitter in defiance of an FCC order that all commercial stations begin broadcasting digitally in February 2009. MCI recently acquired an NBC affiliate with the call letters WPLA. "We acquired this station very inexpensively at a used-equipment sale at York, Pennsylvania", explained Mike Marmer, CEO of Marmer Communications Inc. "The show is hosted semiannually by Transmitter Corporation of America. Vendors have electrical connections for testing the equipment, so we naturally expected that we would be able to install the machinery and begin operating it." WPLA originates its programming from a small stucco structure on Railroad Avenue in Dingburg. Trains of the D&K Railroad pass directly behind the television station. FCC commissioner Donald Dinkins learned recently that D&K locomotives are remotely operated by digital command control. "If the railroad can go digital, then surely so can the television station." MCI has ten days to pay the $10,000,000 fine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52553	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: 370 diesel

Funny that this should come up just now, I had some questions about the 370 GP-7 diesels last spring when I aquired one off eBay in parts condition with a damaged shell. Unlike Flyer diesels that I was used to seeing, this one had no pick up shoes on the truck side frames. The power is picked up through brass wheels and through the whole truck, one truck plus, the other minus. This one had no couplers on it, but I found that it is supposed to have link bars, so this is an early diesel. This past week another early type 370 fell into my posession, this one complete but not running and also with a damaged shell. This leads me to conclude that these locos commonly suffer fron plastic body damage. (Gee, big surprise) According to my Flyer books, they are not as valuable as the later versions of the GP type diesels so the temptation to put a more collectable body on these would be strong. Meanwhile, this steam fan has two first generation diesels in the shop line for work. I am considering scratchbuilding a box cab body for one of them since the wheelbase of these is so ridiculously short. Both shells have damage in different areas, so I might cut both shells apart and make one good one for the other loco. Either way, they will not be mistaken for restorations or reproductions, but they will live again. Stumpy Stone...token diesel owner in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52554	From: michael prell	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: pinhead TV

Ever hear of HEIDI?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: pinhead TV To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 10:49 PM Another story about my one tv town from my O gauge friend: thousands of Dingburg MD residents complained to the FCC that their television sets only displayed three-fourths of the expected picture. Frustrated viewers phoned NBC affiliate WDKR complaining that NBC NIGHTL showed only the hair, forehead and nose of anchor Brian Williams. Several hearing-impaired residents could not understand a word he was saying because they were unable to see his lips moving. WDKR received even more complaints when the station aired a taped concert by country star Dolly Parton, and irate viewers found that her most important assets lay slightly outside the visible portion of the image. Investigators dispatched to the scene discovered that technicians had erroneously installed a 1/48 transmitter, whose picture signal is too large for 1/64 television sets. When will they ever learn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52555	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 370 T&P ?????

I got a hold of an AF Geep off of ebay that I affectionately refer to as 'Frankenstein" It has a C&O blue shell, geep chassis and PA trucks.  I guess you could pass it off as a SD9.  I'm sure it was a kit bash somewhere down the line, but it sure runs like a champ!   Tulsa Tony --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 370 T&P ????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 9:31 PM It looks like a 370 that has been repainted for T&P. Gilbert units have a decal below the cab windows.   Bill Drake --- On Sat, 2/7/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 370 T&P ????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 1:34 PM That should be 474-475 or 477-478, Mike Steve In a message dated 02/07/2009 9:53:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@aol. com writes: Did Gilbert make a T&P 370? E-Bay item # 220357750825 Mike S ************ ********* ***<WBR>* *Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a flor now. (_http://yellowpages. http://yellowpah ttp://yellow&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt< WBR>ncid_ (http://yellowpages. aol.com/search? query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyel p00000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages. aol.com/search? query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyel p00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52556	From: G C	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Attention all! My comments to Paul's response to my suggestion of using magnets for those poor cows that keep falling over was written entirely in humor. I was not offended in the least with Paul's delightful response and if my response to him was offensive to anyone, I am truly sorry. Just adding levity to the situation. Yes, that's what those cows need is levity. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52557	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Kits now shipping

Jim, thanks. Hope the diesel project is successful and speedy so that you can get to the B&O wagontop soonest! Paul S. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52558	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: legal news

Shermans Dale Pa (AP) - In a related news item, The corporate attorneys for the industrial shortline, the Cornwall Railroad provided some insight into the current litigation on the D&K's problem with the recently acquired grandstands for their stadium.   The Cornwall Railroad is owned by Bethlehem Steel in Lebanon, Pa. The company also sponsers a company baseball team. A team that actually hailed the King of Swat, Babe Ruth among it's players before he took a wrong turn and ended up in the Major Leagues.   Bethlehem Steel scientists, at the request of DC&H, have run several tests on the materials used for the bleachers. The tests show that the material, although over-engineered, was safe to use for construction. It would save money in the long-run as it was more sturdy than 1/4" scale materials. It was determined that Ms. Styrene was negligent in her choice of seating at the game. Ms. Styrene passed several warning signs at the entrance stating, "If you are shorter than this line, do not choose seats above the first level." Ms. Styrene was almost a full .2 inches below the line and chose to ignore the warning. The evidence slearly shows that the D&K engineers were not liable and the charges should be dismissed.   BS is happy to assist a trading partner like D&K as the Cornwall Railroad hopes for interchange rights with the D&K in the future.   Snarky Jones, API   Dingburg MD (AP) - the legal firm of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe has filed a class-action suit in Maryland Common Pleas Court on behalf of thirty clients who claim to have been injured while attending minor-league baseball games. The Dingburg Pinheads play home games at S Helper Stadium, a facility owned by D&K Railroad. Polly Styrene, a petite blond lass who stands almost exactly 1" tall, alleges that she sat down on her bleacher seat, only to slip between the boards and fall some 3" to a hard landing on flock-covered 3/4" plywood. Subsequent investigation by the DC&H team revealed that D&K management used O scale materials to construct the bleachers.  The 1/48 scale lumber left dangerous wide gaps that presented significant hazards to 1/64 scale people. The Commissioner of Baseball has ordered play suspended pending outcome of litigation.   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52559	From: doug_cnw	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 583a hookup

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > There need to be two connections........one from that center lug to the > transformer's fixed voltage post Thanks Doug. That was the answer. I attached the black wire from the crane directly to the transformer and the yellow wire from the transformer to the lug that was attached to the copper bus in the middle. The 4th terminal that is off by itself must just be a dummy for ease of connecting the two black wires. Everything works now. Thanks for everyone's help. Also meant to thank Daryl for a copy of the 583a instructions. Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52560	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Sound from a 499

Hi, I picked up a 499 (NH EP-5 electric) recently and have gotten it pretty close to running. I do have a question regarding what kind of sound should be coming out of the speaker. What I get now is a fairly obnoxious buzz. There is what appears to be a capacitor in the speaker circuit, but I don't quite follow what that should be doing. I would think that I should hear a 60Hz hum? Is there some additional components in the speaker? Any way to tell if the speaker is functional? I imagine that after all of these years the capacitor is shot and at minimum I need to replace that. Regards, Keith Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52561	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Gene,   I think you mean the cows need "levely". Levity would make them float. Levely would keep them level, plumb, upright...etc.   Regards, Nick Kulp   Just adding levity to the situation. Yes, that's what those cows need is levity. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52562	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: 2-8-0 from a 343

Does anyone remember an article in MR or RMC a few years back about a guy running a nicely built S gauge mining layout and his primary motive power were a bunch of 2-8-0's that were built from 342 or 343's. Was wondering about the pilot detail and what he used for pilot wheels?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52563	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Maryland broadcaster fined

MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > The following was written by a very good O gauge friend in response to my > analog TV station: > > Dingburg, MD (Reuters) - the Federal Communications Commission has levied a > $10,000,000 fine against Marmer Communications Inc. for installing an > analog > television transmitter in defiance of an FCC order that all commercial > stations begin broadcasting digitally in February 2009. MCI recently > acquired an NBC affiliate with the call letters WPLA. > I find these post hilarious! As a former broadcast engineer, they are especially poignant. In the real world, I find it especially onerous that my satellite vendor is now raising their rates as of March. Geez, I may have to switch exclusively to my converter box and only watch the digital locals. Maybe that antenna on the Bradford diner will be of some use! ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52564	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/8/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 8, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52565	From: Michael Rector	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Maryland broadcaster fined

Good News Mike. The deadline ofr digital xmit has been extended to June 12. So fire up the xmitter and let the home town folks see the games.   Mike Rector In warm Southern Ohio...for now.  --- On Sun, 2/8/09, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Maryland broadcaster fined To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:02 PM MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > The following was written by a very good O gauge friend in response to my > analog TV station: > > Dingburg, MD (Reuters) - the Federal Communications Commission has levied a > $10,000,000 fine against Marmer Communications Inc. for installing an > analog > television transmitter in defiance of an FCC order that all commercial > stations begin broadcasting digitally in February 2009. MCI recently > acquired an NBC affiliate with the call letters WPLA. > I find these post hilarious! As a former broadcast engineer, they are especially poignant. In the real world, I find it especially onerous that my satellite vendor is now raising their rates as of March. Geez, I may have to switch exclusively to my converter box and only watch the digital locals. Maybe that antenna on the Bradford diner will be of some use! ;-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52566	From: G C	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Shaving my cows feet!

Levely it is Nick! ________________________________ From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 4:32:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shaving my cows feet! Gene, I think you mean the cows need "levely". Levity would make them float. Levely would keep them level, plumb, upright...etc. Regards, Nick Kulp Just adding levity to the situation. Yes, that's what those cows need is levity. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52567	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343

That sounds like Brooks Stover's modeling of the Buffalo Creek & Gauley before the SHS 2-8-0 arrived. Here is the URL to Brooks' model RR: http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/MODELRAILROAD/ModelRailroads.html Here is the URL to the BC&G RR website: http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/index.html Hope this helps. Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Plyler Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2-8-0 from a 343 Does anyone remember an article in MR or RMC a few years back about a guy running a nicely built S gauge mining layout and his primary motive power were a bunch of 2-8-0's that were built from 342 or 343's. Was wondering about the pilot detail and what he used for pilot wheels? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52568	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: pinhead TV

Yes, WPLA soon to be WDKR TV will disconnect all last minute conclusions of any sports programming to bring you all that wonderful story of Heidi as what she really does for a living. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: pinhead TV Ever hear of HEIDI? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: pinhead TV To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 10:49 PM Another story about my one tv town from my O gauge friend: thousands of Dingburg MD residents complained to the FCC that their television sets only displayed three-fourths of the expected picture. Frustrated viewers phoned NBC affiliate WDKR complaining that NBC NIGHTL showed only the hair, forehead and nose of anchor Brian Williams. Several hearing-impaired residents could not understand a word he was saying because they were unable to see his lips moving. WDKR received even more complaints when the station aired a taped concert by country star Dolly Parton, and irate viewers found that her most important assets lay slightly outside the visible portion of the image. Investigators dispatched to the scene discovered that technicians had erroneously installed a 1/48 transmitter, whose picture signal is too large for 1/64 television sets. When will they ever learn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52569	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

I rewicked the SIT unit again, this time at 30 ohms. With just the tender on the tracks it smokes like mad... headache within minutes. Connected to the engine it still barely wisps smoke. The longer it runs the less coming out the stack. The tube is pinched! Of course! I checked by blowing through the tube after disconnecting it from the tender. Loosen the mounting screws on the steamchest and more air moves through. Here is the dilemma. I put an SnS can motor in it, mounting the rectifier on top of the reverse unit. Love the motor! It is silent and smooth. Now that it has a 2nd rectifier in-line to drop the voltage it runs nice and slow too. I may add a 3rd but that's another story. There is really nowhere else to mount the primary rectifier. And I need it as I run AC and fine the sound if the rev. unit satisfying With the rectifier mounted on top of the reverse unit, the hose gets pinched just a little. After the rev. unit gets warm the rubber gets a little softer and it closes up even more. It is really tight clearance especially back where the lockout lever is. Any suggestions on how to route the smoke tube and keep it open? Any alternatives? Thanks as always! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > Tim, I just converted a 322 to piston for a friend and had good smoke output but not a loud chuff like SIB's. I just replaced the smoke filament in a 322 of mine with a bellows unit, and overall I liked smoke output and sound better from it. I will try to put a video file on s-group in the next day or two. I have already returned the one with the cylinder conversion, so won't be able to show it. Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@...: tim.benner@...: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:54:53 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52570	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: Re: Sound from a 499

If you're running it with a good ol' AF transformer you shouldn't hear a constant buzz, but a crackle now and then over switches or dirty sections of track. If you're running with a more modern transformer you may hear a more constant hum/buzz. If you're running TMCC or Legacy with TPC's you'll also get an annoying hum/buzz. I disconnected all the air chime whistle and horn speakers in my classic AF engines like the 499 for that reason. I don't much care for the ACW honk out of a steamer as it is, and if I want to hear that sound while running a vintage AF EP or diesel I have the diesel billboard - sounds very much the same and louder.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52571	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2009
Subject: NASG Booth at WGH Show in Nashville, Feb 14-15 - Looking for volunte

If you attend the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Nashville on Feb. 14-15, please be sure and come visit at the NASG booth. NASG is the National Association of S Gaugers. Several of us will be manning the booth as volunteers, but we could definitely use some additional manpower, especially on Sunday. I had forgotten how few NASG members there are in Middle Tennessee. So if you plan on attending, consider volunteering for a couple of hours, or more, on either Saturday or Sunday. It should be a great show and we should have a lot of fun. The show will be at the Nashville Convention Center in downtown Nashville, at Commerce and 5th avenue and directly across 5th avenue from the Grand Ole Opry. Y'ALL COME ! - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville, NASG Volunteer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52572	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Can you put a short piece of copper or Brass tubing in that spot so it will not get pinched off. You may need to flatten the tube to fit it as well. Clayton OR --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: > From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:53 PM > I rewicked the SIT unit again, this time at 30 ohms. With > just the > tender on the tracks it smokes like mad... headache within > minutes. > > Connected to the engine it still barely wisps smoke. The > longer it > runs the less coming out the stack. The tube is pinched! > Of > course! I checked by blowing through the tube after > disconnecting > it from the tender. Loosen the mounting screws on the > steamchest > and more air moves through. > > Here is the dilemma. I put an SnS can motor in it, > mounting the > rectifier on top of the reverse unit. Love the motor! It > is silent > and smooth. Now that it has a 2nd rectifier in-line to > drop the > voltage it runs nice and slow too. I may add a 3rd but > that's > another story. There is really nowhere else to mount the > primary > rectifier. And I need it as I run AC and fine the sound if > the rev. > unit satisfying > > With the rectifier mounted on top of the reverse unit, the > hose gets > pinched just a little. After the rev. unit gets warm the > rubber > gets a little softer and it closes up even more. It is > really tight > clearance especially back where the lockout lever is. > > Any suggestions on how to route the smoke tube and keep it > open? > Any alternatives? > > Thanks as always! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore > <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > > > > Tim, I just converted a 322 to piston for a friend and > had good > smoke output but not a loud chuff like SIB's. I just > replaced the > smoke filament in a 322 of mine with a bellows unit, and > overall I > liked smoke output and sound better from it. I will try to > put a > video file on s-group in the next day or two. I have > already > returned the one with the cylinder conversion, so won't > be able to > show it. Larry Moore > > > > To: S-Trains@...: tim.benner@...: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 > 20:54:53 > +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52573	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

You should relocate the rectifier. Might hot glue it to the can motor on the upper side away from the smoke tube. Or you could even glue it to the underside of the motor. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 02/09/2009 12:37:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: I rewicked the SIT unit again, this time at 30 ohms. With just the tender on the tracks it smokes like mad... headache within minutes. Connected to the engine it still barely wisps smoke. The longer it runs the less coming out the stack. The tube is pinched! Of course! I checked by blowing through the tube after disconnecting it from the tender. Loosen the mounting screws on the steamchest and more air moves through. Here is the dilemma. I put an SnS can motor in it, mounting the rectifier on top of the reverse unit. Love the motor! It is silent and smooth. Now that it has a 2nd rectifier in-line to drop the voltage it runs nice and slow too. I may add a 3rd but that's another story. There is really nowhere else to mount the primary rectifier. And I need it as I run AC and fine the sound if the rev. unit satisfying With the rectifier mounted on top of the reverse unit, the hose gets pinched just a little. After the rev. unit gets warm the rubber gets a little softer and it closes up even more. It is really tight clearance especially back where the lockout lever is. Any suggestions on how to route the smoke tube and keep it open? Any alternatives? Thanks as always! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > Tim, I just converted a 322 to piston for a friend and had good smoke output but not a loud chuff like SIB's. I just replaced the smoke filament in a 322 of mine with a bellows unit, and overall I liked smoke output and sound better from it. I will try to put a video file on s-group in the next day or two. I have already returned the one with the cylinder conversion, so won't be able to show it. Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@... To: S-Trains@... To: S-Trains@...<WBR>: ti +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > > **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52574	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Tim, I won't take credit for this, but I will pass it on. I just saw a post recently that suggested using a spring, say from a ball point pen, and wrapping around the outside of the tube, at the pinch point, to keep it from collapsing. I wish I could remember who came up with that, so as to give them credit. It looks like it should work. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 03:53:45 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume I rewicked the SIT unit again, this time at 30 ohms. With just the tender on the tracks it smokes like mad... headache within minutes.Connected to the engine it still barely wisps smoke. The longer it runs the less coming out the stack. The tube is pinched! Of course! I checked by blowing through the tube after disconnecting it from the tender. Loosen the mounting screws on the steamchest and more air moves through.Here is the dilemma. I put an SnS can motor in it, mounting the rectifier on top of the reverse unit. Love the motor! It is silent and smooth. Now that it has a 2nd rectifier in-line to drop the voltage it runs nice and slow too. I may add a 3rd but that's another story. There is really nowhere else to mount the primary rectifier. And I need it as I run AC and fine the sound if the rev. unit satisfyingWith the rectifier mounted on top of the reverse unit, the hose gets pinched just a little. After the rev. unit gets warm the rubber gets a little softer and it closes up even more. It is really tight clearance especially back where the lockout lever is. Any suggestions on how to route the smoke tube and keep it open? Any alternatives?Thanks as always!Tim BennerDayton, Ohio--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:>> > Tim, I just converted a 322 to piston for a friend and had good smoke output but not a loud chuff like SIB's. I just replaced the smoke filament in a 322 of mine with a bellows unit, and overall I liked smoke output and sound better from it. I will try to put a video file on s-group in the next day or two. I have already returned the one with the cylinder conversion, so won't be able to show it. Larry Moore> > To: S-Trains@...: tim.benner@...: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:54:53 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume> > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52575	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Tim- I don't have an SIT unit myself, but I read awhile back about a guy that put coil springs, similar to steamer brush springs or ball point pen springs, inside the tubing to keep it from kinking.  Sounded like a good idea. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 8:53:45 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume I rewicked the SIT unit again, this time at 30 ohms. With just the tender on the tracks it smokes like mad... headache within minutes. Connected to the engine it still barely wisps smoke. The longer it runs the less coming out the stack. The tube is pinched! Of course! I checked by blowing through the tube after disconnecting it from the tender. Loosen the mounting screws on the steamchest and more air moves through. Here is the dilemma. I put an SnS can motor in it, mounting the rectifier on top of the reverse unit. Love the motor! It is silent and smooth. Now that it has a 2nd rectifier in-line to drop the voltage it runs nice and slow too. I may add a 3rd but that's another story. There is really nowhere else to mount the primary rectifier. And I need it as I run AC and fine the sound if the rev. unit satisfying With the rectifier mounted on top of the reverse unit, the hose gets pinched just a little. After the rev. unit gets warm the rubber gets a little softer and it closes up even more. It is really tight clearance especially back where the lockout lever is. Any suggestions on how to route the smoke tube and keep it open? Any alternatives? Thanks as always! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > Tim, I just converted a 322 to piston for a friend and had good smoke output but not a loud chuff like SIB's. I just replaced the smoke filament in a 322 of mine with a bellows unit, and overall I liked smoke output and sound better from it. I will try to put a video file on s-group in the next day or two. I have already returned the one with the cylinder conversion, so won't be able to show it. Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@...: tim.benner@...: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:54:53 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52576	From: michael prell	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: pinhead TV

I was once a master control room operator. If I recall, the guy behind the board was "only following orders" which came from the daily log. In other words, he was doing his job as directed. Unfortunately, management/programming didn't have the insight to see the possibility of overtime. Commedy of errors or what. Now that's falling through the cracks be it 1/48th or 1/64th!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: pinhead TV To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 10:06 PM Yes, WPLA soon to be WDKR TV will disconnect all last minute conclusions of any sports programming to bring you all that wonderful story of Heidi as what she really does for a living. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: pinhead TV Ever hear of HEIDI? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: pinhead TV To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 10:49 PM Another story about my one tv town from my O gauge friend: thousands of Dingburg MD residents complained to the FCC that their television sets only displayed three-fourths of the expected picture. Frustrated viewers phoned NBC affiliate WDKR complaining that NBC NIGHTL showed only the hair, forehead and nose of anchor Brian Williams. Several hearing-impaired residents could not understand a word he was saying because they were unable to see his lips moving. WDKR received even more complaints when the station aired a taped concert by country star Dolly Parton, and irate viewers found that her most important assets lay slightly outside the visible portion of the image. Investigators dispatched to the scene discovered that technicians had erroneously installed a 1/48 transmitter, whose picture signal is too large for 1/64 television sets. When will they ever learn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52577	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: 342AC tender

If you need to rewire the tender/reverse unit http://www.rfgco.com/ and a few other sites have wiring diagrams for free, I have used rfgco a few times and was very sucessful. -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52578	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: sticking e unit

I remember a while back someone said they used a piece of something to stop the e unit from sticking...can any one help with this....i think they said tinfoil....not sure

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52579	From: William Porter	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Sounds like a product idea: Smoke In Tender Stents The cardiologists have been doing it for years for some other plumbing. I have three of my own. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimensign50@... Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:45 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume Tim- I don't have an SIT unit myself, but I read awhile back about a guy that put coil springs, similar to steamer brush springs or ball point pen springs, inside the tubing to keep it from kinking. Sounded like a good idea. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52580	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'll pick up some copper tubing on my lunch hour. There are plenty of pens at home to harvest springs and throw out. I almost forgot I have some semi-rigid nylon tubing from karting days that can also be tried. I hope one of these solutions works... but I have a feeling that the rectifier chip is going to need to move. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Tim- > > > I don't have an SIT unit myself, but I read awhile back about a guy that put coil springs, similar to steamer brush springs or ball point pen springs, inside the tubing to keep it from kinking.  Sounded like a good idea. > Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52581	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS??? E-Bay Item #230324302604

Anyone know what this is? p.39 reverse base E-bay # 230324302604 **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52582	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS??? E-Bay Item #230324302604

and he notes - This is an Erector reverse base for an open frame motor found in a prewar set. A similar base (P-59) is shown on this page: http://www.rfgco.com/erector/erectorparts.html And it is shown in this 1920 era set: http://www.acgilbertheritagesociety.com/product%20gallery/Erector%20sets/1920-7.html The seller has it listed incorrectly as AF and the "chrome" is more than likely nickel. The kid would wire the motor to one set of leads for forward and change the leads for opposite direction. A little scary in today's safety conscious world but that was back in the good ol' days! Raleigh in sunny Maine At 02:49 PM 2/9/2009, anormal1@... wrote: >Anyone know what this is? p.39 reverse base E-bay # 230324302604

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52583	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: train help

I measured the outside of tracks of two of my trains. The train have/still have trouble with is 1 5/8. And the train like an old Amtrak train is 7/8. Are they HO trains or S-trains or what. Thanks!! Calvin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52584	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS??? E-Bay Item #230324302604

Thank you, Mike S. In a message dated 2/9/2009 1:56:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, raleigh15@... writes: and he notes - This is an Erector reverse base for an open frame motor found in a prewar set. A similar base (P-59) is shown on this page: _http://www.rfgco.http://www.rhttp://www.rfhttp_ (http://www.rfgco.com/erector/erectorparts.html) And it is shown in this 1920 era set: _http://www.acgilberhttp://www.acgilhttp://www.achttp://wwwhttp://www.acgihttp ://www._ (http://www.acgilbertheritagesociety.com/product%20gallery/Erector%20sets/1920-7.html) The seller has it listed incorrectly as AF and the "chrome" is more than likely nickel. The kid would wire the motor to one set of leads for forward and change the leads for opposite direction. A little scary in today's safety conscious world but that was back in the good ol' days! Raleigh in sunny Maine At 02:49 PM 2/9/2009, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: >Anyone know what this is? p.39 reverse base E-bay # 230324302604

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52585	From: Firewood	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don & Marsha Munsey Jr" <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > That sounds like Brooks Stover's modeling of the Buffalo Creek & Gauley > before the SHS 2-8-0 arrived. > Here is the URL to Brooks' model RR: http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/MODELRAILROAD/ModelRailroads.html > Here is the URL to the BC&G RR website: > http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/index.html > Hope this helps. > Donald E. Munsey, Jr. > > Does anyone remember an article in MR or RMC a few years back about a guy running a nicely built S gauge mining layout and his primary > motive power were a bunch of 2-8-0's that were built from 342 or > 343's. Was wondering about the pilot detail and what he used for > pilot wheels? I have to admit that's the first time I had seen the BC & G. That is one great layout. I'm still checking out the website.It's the real railroad all of us want to model, isn't it? Thanks Don! As for the 2-8-0, our own Stumpy has a pic of his 0-8-0 conversion in the album "Flyer Basher." Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52586	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: NJI INternational Signals

Has anyone ever use signals from NJI? If you have, could you tell me how you got the signals to work. Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52587	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Baffle for #800 4-8-4

Does anyone have the Lionel part number for the replacement baffle for the #800 4-8-4 northern? I have misplaced the number and my computer is too old to download the diagrams on the Lionel website. Thanks, Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52588	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals

Hello Mike,   ===== Has anyone ever use signals from NJI? If you have, could you tell me how you got the signals to work. ===== Do you mean lights or semaphores.   I have used NJI's older style PRR position lights with bulbs but the newer LED style is much easier to work with. The LEDs do not burn out and they provide an even brightness. Regardless of the type, lights are all hooked up the same way, to a low-voltage power source. LEDs require a regulated and filteredDC power supply similar to a battery adapter for your Ipod or tape player.   I have also used their semaphores. They require a mechanical movement. It usually involves a stall-motor like the Tortoise switch motor or the Switchmaster. They are NOT as robust as the old American Flyer semaphores. They cannoot take the clank-thunk of a relay.   To make them "work" requires some sort of hardware and that depends on exactly what you intend to do. If you are just looking for "changing lights" you can use simple relay contacts, tripped by mechanical contacts similar to the American Flyer 697 track trips connected to the relay coils. You can also use old twin-coil solenoid switch machines with contacts fired by a capacitor-discharge circuit (very simple to build).   If you want to do what I did for my Cornwall Railroad, http://kc.pennsyrr.com/layouts/kulp/photos4.php to create and simulate a prototypical signaling system that follows the rules and procedures of the real thing, it will require a little more cost. I use Dr. Bruce Chubb's C/MRI, Computer Model Railroad Interface and the JMRI PanelPro software package. http://jmri.sourceforge.net/help/en/html/apps/PanelPro/PanelPro.shtml The software is FREE and the group has over 4000 members that can answer almost any question on how to use it.   I have done all of the above. All you need to do is explain which path you want to follow. There is nothing like adding signals to a layout to give it the WOW !! effect. It even looks better when you add slow-motion semaphores.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52589	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING

Anyone have any idea why this is selling for so much? E-Bay Item # 280309757861

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52590	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/9/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit

i carefully sprayed wd40 onto the friction points on the reverse unit than diconnect it from the engine itself (mine was steam) and toggled the power on and off for a minute or so and it fixed the problem -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52591	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343

Dave, I'd forgotten about Stumpy's 2-8-0 conversion! CRSS, I guess. I'm glad you enjoyed the link to the BC&G RR. Brooks frequents these lists, maybe he'll chime in. His work has always been a great inspiration to me. I really need to order Brooks' DVD of his BC&G RR? I remember my first exposure to Brooks' BC&G RR was a write up a long time ago about his S-Scale SHAY for the ERC&L made from an AF Flat car (I believe). It was in the S-Gauge Herald or S-Gaugian, I don't remember which. I have a 343 that I'm installing an SnS can motor, rechargeable battery pack, and R/C system. It will remain a 0-8-0 though. However, I'm planning on using Stumpy's method to convert the front pilot to an operable one for switching. On my planned 6-ft by 10-ft, 1:64 layout, only the outer loop will be powered. For about the same price as DCC conversions, I can have an R/C locomotive - requiring no special wiring for switching or track cleaning. No sound yet - but that's coming - besides - I can't afford it right now anyway! More later. Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Firewood Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 2-8-0 from a 343 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don & Marsha Munsey Jr" <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > That sounds like Brooks Stover's modeling of the Buffalo Creek & Gauley > before the SHS 2-8-0 arrived. > Here is the URL to Brooks' model RR: http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/MODELRAILROAD/ModelRailroads.html > Here is the URL to the BC&G RR website: > http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/index.html > Hope this helps. > Donald E. Munsey, Jr. > > Does anyone remember an article in MR or RMC a few years back about a guy running a nicely built S gauge mining layout and his primary > motive power were a bunch of 2-8-0's that were built from 342 or > 343's. Was wondering about the pilot detail and what he used for > pilot wheels? I have to admit that's the first time I had seen the BC & G. That is one great layout. I'm still checking out the website.It's the real railroad all of us want to model, isn't it? Thanks Don! As for the 2-8-0, our own Stumpy has a pic of his 0-8-0 conversion in the album "Flyer Basher." Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52592	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING

and he notes - Probably because it's a 1946 black hopper in very good shape. Not very many survive. Incidentally why the warning? it looks like a legitimate auction, well documented and accurately described. Cars from that era typically warp or distort and I've seen them worse than this one. I'm surprised it went for only $62.00. Raleigh in chilly Maine At 11:47 PM 2/9/2009, anormal1@... wrote: >Anyone have any idea why this is selling for so much? E-Bay Item # >280309757861

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52593	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals

Nick, Thanks for the email and the comments on the product. I have the products, a single flash master for signals with no arms, a set with arms, and a set for 2 tracks with the expander with arms. I am not having good luck in getting these things to work, as I sent them back to TDP for him to set for me at his home. I just can not get them operated correctly. So, my question really did you have a difficult time in finally getting them to work? ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NJI INternational Signals Hello Mike, ===== Has anyone ever use signals from NJI? If you have, could you tell me how you got the signals to work. ===== Do you mean lights or semaphores. I have used NJI's older style PRR position lights with bulbs but the newer LED style is much easier to work with. The LEDs do not burn out and they provide an even brightness. Regardless of the type, lights are all hooked up the same way, to a low-voltage power source. LEDs require a regulated and filteredDC power supply similar to a battery adapter for your Ipod or tape player. I have also used their semaphores. They require a mechanical movement. It usually involves a stall-motor like the Tortoise switch motor or the Switchmaster. They are NOT as robust as the old American Flyer semaphores. They cannoot take the clank-thunk of a relay. To make them "work" requires some sort of hardware and that depends on exactly what you intend to do. If you are just looking for "changing lights" you can use simple relay contacts, tripped by mechanical contacts similar to the American Flyer 697 track trips connected to the relay coils. You can also use old twin-coil solenoid switch machines with contacts fired by a capacitor-discharge circuit (very simple to build). If you want to do what I did for my Cornwall Railroad, http://kc.pennsyrr.com/layouts/kulp/photos4.php to create and simulate a prototypical signaling system that follows the rules and procedures of the real thing, it will require a little more cost. I use Dr. Bruce Chubb's C/MRI, Computer Model Railroad Interface and the JMRI PanelPro software package. http://jmri.sourceforge.net/help/en/html/apps/PanelPro/PanelPro.shtml The software is FREE and the group has over 4000 members that can answer almost any question on how to use it. I have done all of the above. All you need to do is explain which path you want to follow. There is nothing like adding signals to a layout to give it the WOW !! effect. It even looks better when you add slow-motion semaphores. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52594	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING

I cant see properly but I think it might be a thin shank coupler 1946 car in which case it may be scarce as the first cars of this type were the desirable and also scarce all diecast ones, with the plastic ones only in production a very short time with that coupler. Not that rarity necessarily determines value with Flyer stuff. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: WHY? E-BAY WARNING Anyone have any idea why this is selling for so much? E-Bay Item # 280309757861 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52595	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit

I am sure this is inviting a little argument, but here goes: Most people believe that wd40 is a nice short term fix to get an e-unit working properly as it cleans the crud off the drum, fingers, and from all moving parts. The down side is that in time as the solvent in wd40 evaporates the remaining residue becomes sticky, and so will the e-unit. (I am one of these people by experience) I use electrical contact cleaner with no silicone lubricant. (like CRC QD electronic cleaner) WARNING this will attack some plastics so get all the plastic parts away. It may leave a white haze on metal parts, it depends on what was on them as the cleaner "flashes" off very quickly. I use CRC to degrease chassis when doing a rebuild, and the initial impression is that it leaves everything lighter looking, but (my belief is) what is really going on is the removal of the oil that has wet the residue that is deposited and it becomes lighter when the wetting agent is removed. It will definitely remove the stamped numbers from stuff, but you shouldn't be spraying an e-unit inside the loco or tender anyway. 90% isopropyl alcohol works too, but you should blow it off with an air compressor. 70% isopropyl works too, but requires more applications, as it is not as aggressive a solvent and the air drying is important to prevent rusting. The alcohol flashes slower and will be less likely to leave the white flash. The secret is to watch where the residue goes with either CRC or alcohol. A properly adjusted e-unit without wear works best clean and dry. I recommend wearing a rubber glove if you are going to hold the item in your hand while you spray it with CRC GD electric cleaner. I have also used MEK and Acetone, but these are really aggressive solvents, have health side effects, and should not be used without gloves, ventilation, and careful reading of MSDS. The primary ingredient in CRC is a form methanol plus petroleum distillates. I have tested it on a lot of plastics and the usual effect is just drying of any oily residue, but enough of it applied for long enough period will attack some plastics so be forewarned. MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ooticamitica Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: sticking e unit i carefully sprayed wd40 onto the friction points on the reverse unit than diconnect it from the engine itself (mine was steam) and toggled the power on and off for a minute or so and it fixed the problem -Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52596	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Done! It is smoking and chuffing great. No new tubing needed. It was suggested that I move the rectifier or change it out for a thinner one. An order from All Electronics had just arrived with some 4 amp 600 PIV rectifiers which are about 1/8" thick. Those would allow for the rectifier to stay atop the rev. unit with some clearance for the smoke tube. But even better... mounting the rectifier on the light bracket with a simple clip. Now there is plenty of clearance for everything. The smoke output is as good as it is going to get. It is not the well-defined puffs of a SIB loco but that is to be expected. The SIT unit has a shorter stroke than the SIB and then it has to push the smoke through 9-10" of tubing before you see it. Nonetheless, it looks good up there trailing smoke over 3 heavyweights. The funny thing is that I really wanted a 326 when I bought this loco. A wise man told me, "you're never going to make a 326 out of a 322SIT". True. It has its very own personality. That makes the next project hard to choose. A restorable 32X SIB so I can have the engine I had as a kid? Or a 312 SIT? Right now nothing is broken. Maybe I should just get to work on my taxes...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52597	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: WHY? E-BAY WARNING

The warning in the subject matter, is due to the fact that some do not like talking about Ebay, but that is part of the train world today, as new technology in ways to buy trains continue to grow in this world. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollain Mercier To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY? E-BAY WARNING and he notes - Probably because it's a 1946 black hopper in very good shape. Not very many survive. Incidentally why the warning? it looks like a legitimate auction, well documented and accurately described. Cars from that era typically warp or distort and I've seen them worse than this one. I'm surprised it went for only $62.00. Raleigh in chilly Maine At 11:47 PM 2/9/2009, anormal1@... wrote: >Anyone have any idea why this is selling for so much? E-Bay Item # >280309757861 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52598	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit

A re-post of a message back in 2003 from Steve of SnS trains: You need to disassemble the reverse unit and clean it inside and out of all oils and gums that have built up over the years. You should also polish the drum and replace the finger boards. NEVER, NEVER use oil or lubricant of any kind on the reverse unit. It is the build up of residue from same that causes the sluggish action in the first place. Be sure to insulate the finger board fingers from the drum when you solder or unsolder the wires to them. A clean oil free reverse unit will work every time unless the pawl is bent. Steve One from David D. Re: Sticky reverse (a/ka "E" unit) Nick's right, although they are 'universally' now known as 'e-units'. Sticky units can also be caused by the brass 'finger that sticks out the 'drop shaped' hole on the side. The hole was punched out, and often this leaves a sharp edge that starts wearing into the brass finger. When it gets to the top, it gets slightly wedged and then 'hangs'. My solution is to carefully, with a jewler's file, round that inner edge without changing the size or shape of the hole. I have also been known to carefully file the finger so it no longer has that little groove in it from the 'burr on the hole edge. This must be done very carefully so it will still pick up the tooth on the drum, and still slide back down too. Hard to describe by typing! Residual magnetism can also be a problem, if the coil has been subjected to DC power, I've been told. Sincerely, David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52599	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Tim you could be a Dr. that's called a shunt! --- On Mon, 2/9/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: > From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 6:45 AM > Tim- > > > I don't have an SIT unit myself, but I read awhile back > about a guy that put coil springs, similar to steamer brush > springs or ball point pen springs, inside the tubing to keep > it from kinking.  Sounded like a good idea. > Jim E. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 8:53:45 PM GMT -07:00 > US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > > > > > > > I rewicked the SIT unit again, this time at 30 ohms. With > just the > tender on the tracks it smokes like mad... headache within > minutes. > > Connected to the engine it still barely wisps smoke. The > longer it > runs the less coming out the stack. The tube is pinched! Of > > course! I checked by blowing through the tube after > disconnecting > it from the tender. Loosen the mounting screws on the > steamchest > and more air moves through. > > Here is the dilemma. I put an SnS can motor in it, mounting > the > rectifier on top of the reverse unit. Love the motor! It is > silent > and smooth. Now that it has a 2nd rectifier in-line to drop > the > voltage it runs nice and slow too. I may add a 3rd but > that's > another story. There is really nowhere else to mount the > primary > rectifier. And I need it as I run AC and fine the sound if > the rev. > unit satisfying > > With the rectifier mounted on top of the reverse unit, the > hose gets > pinched just a little. After the rev. unit gets warm the > rubber > gets a little softer and it closes up even more. It is > really tight > clearance especially back where the lockout lever is. > > Any suggestions on how to route the smoke tube and keep it > open? > Any alternatives? > > Thanks as always! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , Larry Moore > <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > > > > Tim, I just converted a 322 to piston for a friend and > had good > smoke output but not a loud chuff like SIB's. I just > replaced the > smoke filament in a 322 of mine with a bellows unit, and > overall I > liked smoke output and sound better from it. I will try to > put a > video file on s-group in the next day or two. I have > already > returned the one with the cylinder conversion, so won't > be able to > show it. Larry Moore > > > > To: S-Trains@...: tim.benner@...: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 > 20:54:53 > +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52600	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: 2-8-0 from a #343

Take a look in the PHOTOS section under "Flyer Basher" for my 2-8-0 from a junk box #343 0-8-0. This one started out as a shell and most of a chassis. I managed to find a few parts, replaced the missing motor with a can motor (which I would have done anyway), and had to susbstitute a plastic tender. The pilot truck is a Rex/Putt Trains item I got from Terry Putt a few years ago as is the "cowcatcher" part of the pilot deck. The deck itself is scratch built of strip wood and model aviation plywood. Because I didn't want to do any cutting on the original, I made it all work by mounting the pilot truck to the scratch built pilot and then attaching it with the original screw hole for the #343. This project doesn't make the prettiest 2-8-0, it's kind of chunky with a fat boiler and undersized drivers. But there were several like it in real railroading so it is quite acceptable. Also, I made no attempt to super detail this engine as Brooks did with his conversions. His locos are works of art! I have another #343 that I considered making a 2-8-2 out of. Two problems: 1. There is no room for a trailing truck under the motor. 2. this one is complete except for a can motor. Stumpy Stone...picker of junk boxes...have Dremel, will travel...Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52601	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Lubing a Reverse Unit

"ooticamitica" wrote: <<i carefully sprayed wd40 onto the friction points on the reverse unit <<than diconnect it from the engine itself (mine was steam) and toggled <<the power on and off for a minute or so and it fixed the problem <<-Tim  Never, EVER, spray anything liquid into or onto an AF mechanical reverse unit unless it is thoroughly removed afterwards.  Oil, grease, WD-40, etc. will eventually begin to gum up with dirt--and then you will really have a problem with your reverse unit.  Graphite powder does work okay as long is it is used alone. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52602	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Coupler dilemma

I thought I would do this here as I just got another question in my e- mail about link vs, knuckle couplers. Many old Flyer locos are equipped with link couplers and folks don't want to change them, even though they want to pull knuckle equipped cars. The links can be cantankerous sometimes and don't look as good as knuckles, but they "close couple" the passenger cars to a more realistic distance. A very long time ago, miss-matching couplers were a problem in HO with there being more than half a dozen options availible from several manufacturers. The late, great John Allen used the Baker type, not because it looked good but because it worked very well. Mantua couplers worked well and looked similar to the LGB loop and hook style. Model Die Casting made a "working" knuckle style that was just a little over HO scale, Varney had "dummy" knuckles availible, as did some others. The standard HO coupler of the world as we know it, the Kadee, was a few years away yet. The NMRA came up with a horrible "standard" coupler, the X2F, known as the horn hook which looked strange and didn't work any better than the others. Our solution was "conversion cars." This was a piece of rolling stock with one type coupler on one end and a different type on the other. I had six of these at one point! I have done the same thing for old American Flyer with a link coupler on one end and a knuckle on the other. I made two from junk box link coupler cars. As an additional trick, I thought about making a "coupler cover" to go over my link couplers. This would be made out of aluminum foil formed over a pair of knuckle couplers coupled together and covering the coupler shanks. White glue would be coated over it for strength and painted black. This would make all the couplers in the train look like knuckles. Just a goofy idea of mine. Stumpy Stone...old guy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52603	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: SIT volume

When you figure out how to "fix" your taxes as well as you did your smoke unit, let us all in on it!!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:10:02 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume Done! It is smoking and chuffing great. No new tubing needed. It was suggested that I move the rectifier or change it out for a thinner one. An order from All Electronics had just arrived with some 4 amp 600 PIV rectifiers which are about 1/8" thick. Those would allow for the rectifier to stay atop the rev. unit with some clearance for the smoke tube. But even better... mounting the rectifier on the light bracket with a simple clip. Now there is plenty of clearance for everything. The smoke output is as good as it is going to get. It is not the well-defined puffs of a SIB loco but that is to be expected. The SIT unit has a shorter stroke than the SIB and then it has to push the smoke through 9-10" of tubing before you see it. Nonetheless, it looks good up there trailing smoke over 3 heavyweights. The funny thing is that I really wanted a 326 when I bought this loco. A wise man told me, "you're never going to make a 326 out of a 322SIT". True. It has its very own personality. That makes the next project hard to choose. A restorable 32X SIB so I can have the engine I had as a kid? Or a 312 SIT? Right now nothing is broken. Maybe I should just get to work on my taxes... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52604	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a #343

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Take a look in the PHOTOS section under "Flyer Basher" for my 2-8-0 > from a junk box #343 0-8-0. This one started out as a shell and most > of a chassis. I managed to find a few parts, replaced the missing > motor with a can motor (which I would have done anyway), and had to > susbstitute a plastic tender. > The pilot truck is a Rex/Putt Trains item I got from Terry Putt a few > years ago as is the "cowcatcher" part of the pilot deck. The deck > itself is scratch built of strip wood and model aviation plywood. > Because I didn't want to do any cutting on the original, I made it > all work by mounting the pilot truck to the scratch built pilot and > then attaching it with the original screw hole for the #343. > This project doesn't make the prettiest 2-8-0, it's kind of chunky > with a fat boiler and undersized drivers. But there were several > like it in real railroading so it is quite acceptable. > Also, I made no attempt to super detail this engine as Brooks did > with his conversions. His locos are works of art! > I have another #343 that I considered making a 2-8-2 out of. Two > problems: 1. There is no room for a trailing truck under the motor. > 2. this one is complete except for a can motor. > Stumpy Stone...picker of junk boxes...have Dremel, will travel...Ahia. > Greetings: Thanks for the reply. I am not real bright and was unable to find the picture site Flyer basher.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52605	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4

Lou- I don't see just the baffle listed on the Lionel site, just the complete smoke unit.   That listing is  "SMK UNIT-W/CHOO-CHOO/NORTHERN  Part Number  640-8047-200      Price $20.00" I do remember guys making their own baffles when the Northerns first came out.  Look on the Port Lines site and see if Doug doesn't have directions for rebuilding the unit or quieting the chirp. Either my Northern's "chirp" is lessening or my hearing is getting worse ( most likely both) because I didn't modify mine and I'm able to tolerate it now! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou &Lois Templeton" <louloist@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 8:55:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Baffle for #800 4-8-4 Does anyone have the Lionel part number for the replacement baffle for the #800 4-8-4 northern? I have misplaced the number and my computer is too old to download the diagrams on the Lionel website. Thanks, Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52606	From: John	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma

Terry As cleaver as you are about rebuilding trains, have you given any thought to making a truck with a coupler on both ends? Just swivel the truck around and have a knuckle on one side and a link on the other. I'm not sure if that would work, but something to think about. That way you could have a universal car with just a switch in direction of one or both of the trucks. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52607	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals

Hi Mike,   ====== I have the products, a single flash master for signals with no arms, a set with arms, and a set for 2 tracks with the expander with arms. I am not having good luck in getting these things to work, as I sent them back to TDP for him to set for me at his home.   I just can not get them operated correctly. So, my question really did you have a difficult time in finally getting them to work? ======   My apologies Mike, To me "signals" mean railroad signals, not grade crossing signals. I have not used the flash master. Bruce Chubb, www.jlcenterprises.net,  is releasing a Crossing light and gate controller and I was fortunate enough to receive one to test. The board has an electronic bell, multiple options for different bell sequences like ring continuously while gates are down, only when gates go up or down, etc. The LEDs do not "Flash". They actually come on gradually and fade, just like the real lights. The gates are controlled by a stall motor, like the Tortoise by Circuitron. It is easy to assemble and works great. It even includes a speaker for the electronic bell. options to actuate are vary easy but it does require both approaches and the grade crossing itself to show occupancy to keep the gates down until the train passes the grade crossing.   Sorry I couldn't help. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52608	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit

I've heard that it dries out and i dont really buy it...I'm a mechanic and I use wd-40 for alot of things, never had any problems with it drying out, and keep in mind i did this to my hudson a year ago and it works better than all my other reverse units... (p.s. im not trying to start anything just voicing my opinion.) -TIm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52609	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma

My 322 hudson was the only engine I had with link couplers, i took them off as soon as i got conversion couplers, my thought is that there is enough hudsons around with link couplers still on, plus you can always go back... -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52610	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4

Jim, Thanks for the number. I wonder if it includes the refitted baffle. I remember it was discussed a while back on this list, however; I can't seem to find the post. I know some have done the repair after getting the new baffle from Lionel. Can anyone else weigh in on this? Thanks, Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baffle for #800 4-8-4 Lou- I don't see just the baffle listed on the Lionel site, just the complete smoke unit. That listing is "SMK UNIT-W/CHOO-CHOO/NORTHERN Part Number 640-8047-200 Price $20.00" I do remember guys making their own baffles when the Northerns first came out. Look on the Port Lines site and see if Doug doesn't have directions for rebuilding the unit or quieting the chirp. Either my Northern's "chirp" is lessening or my hearing is getting worse ( most likely both) because I didn't modify mine and I'm able to tolerate it now! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou &Lois Templeton" <louloist@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 8:55:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Baffle for #800 4-8-4 Does anyone have the Lionel part number for the replacement baffle for the #800 4-8-4 northern? I have misplaced the number and my computer is too old to download the diagrams on the Lionel website. Thanks, Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52611	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit

My words exactly..........:) It is important in the cleaning that you get all the gunk out of the drum gogs. It is hard to see, but has a tendency to hang on to the pawl at the top and not let it drop. Steve In a message dated 02/10/2009 6:41:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, robbe_wan@... writes: A re-post of a message back in 2003 from Steve of SnS trains: You need to disassemble the reverse unit and clean it inside and out of all oils and gums that have built up over the years. You should also polish the drum and replace the finger boards. NEVER, NEVER use oil or lubricant of any kind on the reverse unit. It is the build up of residue from same that causes the sluggish action in the first place. Be sure to insulate the finger board fingers from the drum when you solder or unsolder the wires to them. A clean oil free reverse unit will work every time unless the pawl is bent. Steve One from David D. Re: Sticky reverse (a/ka "E" unit) Nick's right, although they are 'universally' now known as 'e-units'. Sticky units can also be caused by the brass 'finger that sticks out the 'drop shaped' hole on the side. The hole was punched out, and often this leaves a sharp edge that starts wearing into the brass finger. When it gets to the top, it gets slightly wedged and then 'hangs'. My solution is to carefully, with a jewler's file, round that inner edge without changing the size or shape of the hole. I have also been known to carefully file the finger so it no longer has that little groove in it from the 'burr on the hole edge. This must be done very carefully so it will still pick up the tooth on the drum, and still slide back down too. Hard to describe by typing! Residual magnetism can also be a problem, if the coil has been subjected to DC power, I've been told. Sincerely, David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52612	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: NJI INternational Signals

Nick, My error and I thank you for the reply anyway. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NJI INternational Signals Hi Mike, ====== I have the products, a single flash master for signals with no arms, a set with arms, and a set for 2 tracks with the expander with arms. I am not having good luck in getting these things to work, as I sent them back to TDP for him to set for me at his home. I just can not get them operated correctly. So, my question really did you have a difficult time in finally getting them to work? ====== My apologies Mike, To me "signals" mean railroad signals, not grade crossing signals. I have not used the flash master. Bruce Chubb, www.jlcenterprises.net, is releasing a Crossing light and gate controller and I was fortunate enough to receive one to test. The board has an electronic bell, multiple options for different bell sequences like ring continuously while gates are down, only when gates go up or down, etc. The LEDs do not "Flash". They actually come on gradually and fade, just like the real lights. The gates are controlled by a stall motor, like the Tortoise by Circuitron. It is easy to assemble and works great. It even includes a speaker for the electronic bell. options to actuate are vary easy but it does require both approaches and the grade crossing itself to show occupancy to keep the gates down until the train passes the grade crossing. Sorry I couldn't help. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52613	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4

In a message dated 2/10/2009 3:09:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, louloist@... writes: That listing is "SMK UNIT-W/CHOO-CHOO/NORTHERN Part Number 640-8047-200 Price $20.00" I do remember guys making their own baffles when the Northerns first came out The most interesting thing about this is that the BUYER has to make immediate repairs to an item he/she paid hundreds of dollars for. Quite the price to pay for an old name. Most other manufacturers (other than LIONEL) stand behind their products. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52614	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Baffle for #800 4-8-4 [S-Trains] Digest Number 4357

Lou, The Lionel part number is 6408064200. The unit includes the cylinder (for the piston), mount, and smoke chamber complete with heating element, the long gasket, and the stack tube. The differences between the original (Fall, 2006 production) stock unit and the revised version are an enlarged vent hole at the base of the cylinder and the long gasket for the smoke chamber. Lionel charges $20 for the assembly. While you have your Northern apart, perform the change out of the 18 ohm smoke element for a 27 ohm element and remove the voltage regulator, as per the procedure spelled out by Carl Tuveson on his web site. Carl specifies the Lionel number for the 27 ohm heating element. After you have made these changes, your L-AF Northern will be a much more satisfying engine. Have fun. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:43:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Does anyone have the Lionel part number for the replacement baffle for the #800 4-8-4 northern? I have misplaced the number and my computer is too old to download the diagrams on the Lionel website. Thanks, Lou **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52615	From: templetonlou	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: 800 Northern

Thanks for all the info from those that responded. It's great to get info from the folks on this list. I've had super service from SHS and AM. They'll even take time and talk to you on the phone and make things right. The big "L"..... Need I say more. Lou

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52616	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma

Aha! A new candidate for the "Link To Knuckle Conversion Remorse Group"! Steve ____________________________________________________________ IRS Tax Help - Tax Pros help solve IRS problems. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbvR63uRXgJDfWJgOe5mgsFd2YPZECw4x9YRWwdYewODEuvub/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52617	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Atlas 3/16 4-4-2, I took this from the Marx group

Now if only someone can find a way to convert this to run on S gauge track. Posted by: "Steve Eastman" gigeastman@... gigeastman Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:50 pm (PST) Got an e-mail a bit ago from Al Osterud which I will paste below. In it was an attachment which I have added to the file section as "Atlantic Measurements". This little engine is closer to true scale than many of those advertised as scale. Steve Hi Steve, Thanks for your comments. Attached is an excel chart which I made comparing the Industrial Rail Atlantic to the dimensions of the real locomotive (a Pennsylvania RR original). Feel free to share this with the Marx group if you wish to. I am not at all certain how to attach a file to a ToyTrains Yahoo item. I put this chart together when I found it hard to believe a manufacturer made a new 3/16 O gauge engine in 2008, and wanted to see how close to 1/64 scale it was. The steam chest is the widest point on the model (to accommodate the wide gauge track), while the cab is the widest point on the original. You will see that this model is about as close to 1/64 scale as you can get with a reasonable manufacturing cost. Thanks for spreading the good word about this new 3/16 O gauge engine. When they first came out I was afraid they would not sell and there would be no more. But they seem to be selling OK since Atlas has just released the GN and B&O engines. I have purchased several of these Atlantics. And if more people buy them perhaps there will be more road names offered in the future. The trucks on the tender compared to the trucks on the cars in the Atlas sets are reminiscent of the Marx 333 and 666 sets in the late 50's with the large truck cars but the blackened 3/16 trucks on the tenders. I have been able to purchase engines with tenders only, as AM Hobbies is willing to split up sets and sell the engines and tenders separately from the rest. The freight cars that come with this locomotive are far too large for us Marx guys. And the engine is actually intended for passenger service. One thing I noticed from your video - Do you have a transformer that can reverse the polarity on the whistle control (like a modern K-Line unit)? The bell on this engine sounds great. The sound quality of the whistle is in the ear of the beholder. Some like it, but others think it sounds dreadful. It certainly does not sound like a modern Lionel engine, but sounds more like a real steam engine off in the distance. The Atlas rep at the last III Rail Trains open house (our largest Lionel, K-Line, Atlas MTH & Ross store in Minnesota) told me Atlas was planning to improve the sound of the whistle, but that the 2009 issues will probably all have the same whistle as the original. For a caboose for the Great Northern engine, you can either repaint a Marx original, or buy and build a Kinsman S-scale caboose kit from the 1950's and mount it on Marx 3/16 scale trucks. Your video's are great! Thanks much, Al Osterud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52618	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Opps!

I think I forgot to sign my last post. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52619	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: sticking e unit

I add one BB that is flatened on one side. Then solder it to the underside of the part that is sheet metal that moves the drum in the e -unit. You will need to remove the black to solder it to the piece. This works every time. Clayton OR --- On Mon, 2/9/09, butch8339@... <butch8339@...> wrote: > From: butch8339@... <butch8339@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] sticking e unit > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 8:17 AM > I remember a while back someone said they used a piece of > something to stop the e unit from sticking...can any one > help with this....i think they said tinfoil....not sure

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52620	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Stumpy Rules

hey stumpy/dog lovers... did you see who won the westminster dog show last nite? as cocker/boykin spaniel people, my wife and spike,'the railroad dog' were ecstatic to see a spaniel, sussex, 10 years old, won best in show, guess what his name is???? dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52621	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma

You could have a car with a different coupler on each end.    and it would not be too hard to make just a truck  also.   Take two trucks remove wheel and cut of the side of the truck and screw or solder, welding is o.k. also using the hole in the truck where the rivet goes through to hold the truck to the car: and wolla! --- On Tue, 2/10/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Coupler dilemma To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:35 AM Terry As cleaver as you are about rebuilding trains, have you given any thought to making a truck with a coupler on both ends? Just swivel the truck around and have a knuckle on one side and a link on the other. I'm not sure if that would work, but something to think about. That way you could have a universal car with just a switch in direction of one or both of the trucks. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52622	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma

Much easier to get a knuckle coupler & split rivet..No welding & works just as easy, if not easier...Mike Who In a message dated 2/11/2009 11:58:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: You could have a car with a different coupler on each end. and it would not be too hard to make just a truck also. Take two trucks remove wheel and cut of the side of the truck and screw or solder, welding is o.k. also using the hole in the truck where the rivet goes through to hold the truck to the car: and wolla! --- On Tue, 2/10/09, John <_beebear@..._ (mailto:beebear@...) > wrote: From: John <_beebear@..._ (mailto:beebear@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Coupler dilemma To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:35 AM Terry As cleaver as you are about rebuilding trains, have you given any thought to making a truck with a coupler on both ends? Just swivel the truck around and have a knuckle on one side and a link on the other. I'm not sure if that would work, but something to think about. That way you could have a universal car with just a switch in direction of one or both of the trucks. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52623	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler dilemma

MIke, I'm kinda confused .... maybe I need a visual! :^) Rick. On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:20 AM, mike rosz wrote: > You could have a car with a different coupler on each end. > > and it would not be too hard to make just a truck also. > > Take two trucks remove wheel and cut of the side of the truck and > screw or solder, welding is o.k. also using the hole in the truck > where the rivet goes through to hold the > truck to the car: and wolla! > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: > > From: John <beebear@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Coupler dilemma > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:35 AM > > > > > > > Terry > > As cleaver as you are about rebuilding trains, have you given > any thought to making a truck with a coupler on both ends? > Just swivel the truck around and have a knuckle on one side > and a link on the other. I'm not sure if that would work, but > something to think about. That way you could have a universal > car with just a switch in direction of one or both of the trucks. > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52624	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Stumpy rules

Yes, but does he have a Citibank Visa credit card? My Yorkie was sent one last summer! It said Chloe Stone right on it! When I called them to cancel it, I got some clown in India that asked me if Yorkshire Terrier was a job description! And we wonder why this country and it's banks are in trouble? Stumpy Stone...the human...in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52625	From: bcgsteam	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: 2-8-0 from a 343

Ron, First of all I hope you enjoyed your "visit" to www.buffalocreekandgauley.com and thanks for leaving the note on the guest book! I haven't checked this chat group for a while but made the connection between this posting and your guest book entry! Yes, I did operate successfully for many years three Consolidations made from AF 0- 8-0's. There is a photo of one on page 56 of the December 2006 issue of RMC which included a story on the layout. It doesn't show much detail of the engine, however, because by then I had started the conversion to SHS engines and wanted to promote them (and "S") in the article. Better photos of one of the engines is in the Sept/Oct 2001 issue of S GAUGIAN which was the first of a four part series on building my latest layout. I have never done an article on the conversion but I'd be glad to share more details off line if you'e like to email me at buffalocreeksteam@.... In short, I made the pilot truck out of half of the pilot truck of an AF Pacfic and attached the coupler to that pilot truck so it could be functional. I pivoted the pilot truck on the same screw that holds the pilot on to the boiler. I fabricated an extender for the cast pilot out of brass and added details. For a while I used AF couplers, then later Kadee. I can do a little sketch or something if you'd like. I had two different motor installations over the years. First I used a can motor and flywheel in the same location as the original motor. Later when I needed more power I actually mounted a big can motor and flywheel in the tender and ran a drive shaft through a hole in the front of the tender to the engine. Let me know if you would like more information. Regards, Brooks --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > Does anyone remember an article in MR or RMC a few years back about a > guy running a nicely built S gauge mining layout and his primary > motive power were a bunch of 2-8-0's that were built from 342 or > 343's. Was wondering about the pilot detail and what he used for > pilot wheels? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52626	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Stumpy rules

Hi Stumpy, Back in the mid 90s our german sheppard got a free CD to set up an AOL account. The name on the mailing label was: Maxx The Dogg. We still have it stored around here somewhere. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Yes, but does he have a Citibank Visa credit card? My Yorkie was sent > one last summer! It said Chloe Stone right on it! When I called them > to cancel it, I got some clown in India that asked me if Yorkshire > Terrier was a job description! > And we wonder why this country and it's banks are in trouble? > Stumpy Stone...the human...in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52627	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/11/2009
Subject: Re: Stumpy rules

Stumpy, Does Chloe have a social security number? Before I retired my employer used a software package furnished by the customer. The Help desk was offshore, in India I think. I had called the Help desk on two or three occasions. I never could understand anyone. I kept asking for a Supervisor or someone that I could understand. Finally I called the customer's IT people here in the states. I told them that I had a devil of a time understanding YANKEE, let alone Indian. This is part of the reason I retired. Bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Stumpy rules Yes, but does he have a Citibank Visa credit card? My Yorkie was sent one last summer! It said Chloe Stone right on it! When I called them to cancel it, I got some clown in India that asked me if Yorkshire Terrier was a job description! And we wonder why this country and it's banks are in trouble? Stumpy Stone...the human...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52628	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: Re: Stumpy rules

I understand one of the high paid executives of a bank that did go under went to China and became head of China TV. He was the one who recently ordered the fireworks show that burned down their 30 story building. He got a bonus for putting on a fireworks show that was beyond their imagination. Just kidding you know. But if it had been one of these banks, that may really have happened. I did read where China TV appologized for damaging State property and tying up traffic. No mention of an appology to the family of the firefighter who died or the families of the firefighters injured. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Yes, but does he have a Citibank Visa credit card? My Yorkie was sent > one last summer! It said Chloe Stone right on it! When I called them > to cancel it, I got some clown in India that asked me if Yorkshire > Terrier was a job description! > And we wonder why this country and it's banks are in trouble? > Stumpy Stone...the human...in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52629	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: 1/64 aircraft available!

the Squadron Shop's latest flyer lists the old Revell B-25 as currently available. Though over 50 years old, the kit is still in good shape tool-wise, and isn't too fussy of a build. Perfect for a 40's-50's airbase/strip, and I know of at least 2 civil variants-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52630	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: New S-Head Kits...

GUYS: I just got a new product announcement from Andersen Model Kits. The link is http://www.modelrailroadkit.com:80/ These theme for these kits is totally Southwestern as one is an adobe cantina while the other is an adobe chapel. So, if you model the Southwest, you may want to take a peek. But then, Taco Bell is everywhere. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52631	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 2/12/2009
Subject: New Australian Model Railway Club

Dear All, There is a new model railway club in Australia based in Albury/Wodonga on the New South Wales/Victorian border about 3 1/2 hours drive north of Melbourne. It is called The Murray Railway Modellers Inc. (The Murray river forms the border between the two states). Our website is murrayrailwaymodellers.com There are even two S gaugers in the club, myself (AF,etc.) and a bloke who models Sn3 New Zealand railways! Our first show as a group is on the first weekend in May. Details are on the website. Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52632	From: Larry Schliessmann	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Finally, a new photo with more to follow

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains/trestle_scene_1 The above link, should it work as advertised, is for a new photo I shot yesterday of my year long, starting in Feb 08, wooden trestle diarama built with code 125 rail. I'm hoping to complete it soonish. . . Best to all, Larry Schliessmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52633	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: AF Mikado

Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52634	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

What do you have on the shelf?   MIke Rosz in some what soggy Park City. --- On Fri, 2/13/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Mikado To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:52 AM Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52635	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Train Show Sunday in Saline, Mich

The Ann Arbor Model Railroad Club holds its annual train show this Sunday the 15th in the Saline Middle School, 7190 No Maple Rd, in Saline Michigan. Hours are 10 AM - 4 PM I'll be there with the latest and greatest AM, SHS, SSA, &c goods. I don't deal in American Flyer, new or used, but 98% of my stuff is AF-compatible. And I'm sure there will be several dealers who do have AF. It's a 400+ table show. Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52636	From: afkennn	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Rust

Any suggestions as to how I can remove light rust on my Af items?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52637	From: afkennn	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

I absolutley agree! As most men do (or don't do), I didn't read the directions and was surprised when I first heard the Tower announcement. At that moment, I read everything thoroughly. One suggestion...do not drop too much smoke fluid into the stack; it will stop smoking. I took the unit off of the track, tilted it over and the excess fluid pured out. After placing on the track again, it worked great. I have to hand it Lionel for creating such a marvelous product. The detail is impeccable and the special effects are quite impressive and entertaining. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > What do you have on the shelf? >   > MIke Rosz in some what soggy Park City. > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Mikado > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:52 AM > > > > > > > Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC > Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! > Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on > the shelf!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52638	From: boblines51	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: New catalog

Just got my new lionel catalog no flyer listed,they forgot us again.Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52639	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/13/2009
Subject: Re: Rust

I have had very good luck using a product called Evapo-Rust. You can find it at some auto parts stores. It is non-toxic, no fumes, evironmentally safe. Simply take your rusted metal piece and soak it in the liquid, should take off light rust in 15-20 minutes and then you wash off with water and blow dry. Good luck, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: kmmp36@...: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:22:37 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Rust Any suggestions as to how I can remove light rust on my Af items? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52640	From: Rosie	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: New catalog

A third catalog will be coming out, in a week or two, with premium items............. ----- Original Message ----- From: boblines51 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New catalog Just got my new lionel catalog no flyer listed,they forgot us again.Bob Persing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52641	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Train show this weekend....

It's time for the "Great Train Expo" here in Portland OR. Sat ~ Sun Feb 14-15, 2009 At the Portland Expo center 2060 N Marine Drive Portland OR 97217 Doors open at 10AM - 4PM www.greattrainexpo.com Kids are free under 12 Clayton Milwaukie OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52642	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Latest on Layout 2-14

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and clumps of grass along the tracks for now. Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track level. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52643	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14

Mike, Looking VERY, VERY nice. Love the ballasting job and tufts of grass etc. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:05 AM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/ view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and clumps of grass along the tracks for now. Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track level. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52644	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: New catalog

Hi there, What you received is probably the K-Line and or set catalog which accidentally left the printer before Lionel could stop it. The 2009 volume 1 (which they are calling their Signature catalog) is due out in about two weeks, I think. Clay Lone Star Trains and Collectibles 4161 Naco-Perrin Blvd. San Antonio, TX 78217 210-655-4665 www.lonestartrains.com -----Original Message----- From: boblines51 [mailto:bobville@...] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 03:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New catalog Just got my new lionel catalog no flyer listed,they forgot us again.Bob Persing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52645	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14

Mike, The open range cows are gonna get whacked for sure... Steve In a message dated 02/14/2009 11:22:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groupshttp://grohttp://groups.ht tp://groups&mode=tn&<WBR>order=or&<WBR>star&<WBR>cou&<WBR>di_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mod e=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc) Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and clumps of grass along the tracks for now. Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track level. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52646	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

Don't be too anxious to sell, Your post war will still be runnable long after the electronics in the Mike are shot and unavailable. Steve SnS In a message dated 02/13/2009 11:46:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52647	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14

Thanks Carl. Again, I have no idea what I am doing, but it seems to work after trial and error. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 Mike, Looking VERY, VERY nice. Love the ballasting job and tufts of grass etc. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:05 AM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/ view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and clumps of grass along the tracks for now. Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track level. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52648	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14

Steve, They have electric fence for the cows. Actually, I do plan on making some fencing soon. I started the lights today. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 Mike, The open range cows are gonna get whacked for sure... Steve In a message dated 02/14/2009 11:22:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groupshttp://grohttp://groups.ht tp://groups&mode=tn&<WBR>order=or&<WBR>star&<WBR>cou&<WBR>di_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mod e=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc) Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and clumps of grass along the tracks for now. Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track level. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52649	From: Jim King	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: S scale pulpwood rack kits all shipped & 70-ton GE update

The last of the S scale Southern and C&O pulpwood rack kits will be mailed Monday. All of the dealers have their orders in-hand or will by Tuesday. To see prototype pix and ordering information, please visit this address: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/sscaleindex.html It's not too late to get in on this round of production; after today, the majority of my efforts will be focused on the new item below and custom HO projects. The next S scale project will be the GE 70-tonner in early and late phases. This has generated a lot of interest on various Yahoo lists and among my dealers, so get in on the action earlier rather than later. Only 100 will be produced due to drive-train part supply issues and 62 have been spoken for to date. The gear tower design will allow narrowing to Sn3 and Sn42, so there's something for (almost) everyone. Retail price is $325 plus shipping. Contact your dealer or me off-list to place a reservation. 50% deposit is required to guarantee your order. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52650	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: New Lionel catalog

It is our understanding at the shop that the new catalog will be out about the same time as the New York Toy Fair, as is traditional. If I recall this is coming up late in February. We have been advised that it may be about 25 pages smaller this time. MTH has hinted at a similar downsized catalog as well. Our guess is that this has to do with the economy and the glut of O gauge product in the market. Stumpy Stone...fixing wind damage in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52651	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/15/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52652	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed... :-) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Don't be too anxious to sell, Your post war will still be runnable long > after the electronics in the Mike are shot and unavailable. > > Steve > SnS > > > In a message dated 02/13/2009 11:46:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mikenguy9@... writes: > > Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC > Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! > Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on > the shelf!!!! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52653	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

Steve, Will your can motors fit into the new LTI Mikado? Mike In a message dated 2/14/2009 12:14:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, boss31@... writes: Don't be too anxious to sell, Your post war will still be runnable long after the electronics in the Mike are shot and unavailable. Steve SnS In a message dated 02/13/2009 11:46:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, _mikenguy9@..._ (mailto:mikenguy9@...) writes: Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52654	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Cows Have Phones

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/114260372/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=161&count=20&dir=asc Pictures of the American Flyer Plastic Cows waiting in line to call home before being herded into the stockcar, to be taken down to the Branford Diner, soon to be Hugo's All South American Diner, and turned in plastic prime angus cuts of tenderloins, 1x1 strip loins (cut into steaks) top and bottom rounds and 80/20 ground beef, all plastic. However, a cat, Bill, has taken to the top of the White Plasticville Phone booth, as I have not seen another all white plastic phone booth as we have 15 of them, and he is hissing up a storm at the bovine. He is not letting the cows into the phone booth, one at time, of course. of course the cows or Angus Texas Steer, as there is a difference, could just walk down the road, a 1/2 mile in S and listen to Alice's Restaurant on there IPods. What will happen to the cows, to the cat, to the phone booth, as no cell phones are allowed in the town of D&K RR as analog TV is also on at the Branford Diner. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52655	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/14/2009
Subject: Telegraph Pole

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1812871967/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc Telegraph pole made from a wooden dowel, metal cross arms and then painted. When all telegraph poles are put in, I will use about 6 rolls of telegraph line. I will have extra poles and cross arms painted lying around in the dirt, as seen on many RR's. Production of Baseball light towers is underway. Opening day is April 4. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52656	From: D. Winslow	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14

Great layout, and great pictures also. I've bookmarked your page and will steal many ideas for my own. Thanks Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc> > > Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and > clumps of grass along the tracks for now. > > Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic > tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. > > I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track > level. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52657	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

His current can motor will not work, but it could be a future product. The worm is slightly different, and the motor has a flywheel. You can see an illustration at: http://www.mwkiner.com/af/mikado_motor.jpg MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Mikado Steve, Will your can motors fit into the new LTI Mikado? Mike In a message dated 2/14/2009 12:14:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> writes: Don't be too anxious to sell, Your post war will still be runnable long after the electronics in the Mike are shot and unavailable. Steve SnS In a message dated 02/13/2009 11:46:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, _mikenguy9@yahoo. <mailto:_mikenguy9%40yahoo.mik> mik_ (mailto:mikenguy9@yahoo. <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com> com) writes: Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52658	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Telegraph Pole

THose look great! -Rick On Feb 14, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1812871967/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc > > Telegraph pole made from a wooden dowel, metal cross arms and then > painted. > > When all telegraph poles are put in, I will use about 6 rolls of > telegraph line. > > I will have extra poles and cross arms painted lying around in the > dirt, as seen on many RR's. > > Production of Baseball light towers is underway. > > Opening day is April 4. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52659	From: Glenn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: OPENING DAY APRIL 4

Well Mike & Linda, You couldn't have planned opening day more appropriately. I will be there for my 68th birthday party. I will ride in on my new Stony Creek passenger cars. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONYCREEKPASSENGER.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 23:00 Subject: [S-Trains] Telegraph Pole http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1812871967/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc Telegraph pole made from a wooden dowel, metal cross arms and then painted. When all telegraph poles are put in, I will use about 6 rolls of telegraph line. I will have extra poles and cross arms painted lying around in the dirt, as seen on many RR's. Production of Baseball light towers is underway. Opening day is April 4. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1953 - Release Date: 02/14/09 18:01:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52660	From: afkennn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Rust

Thanks, Larry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > I have had very good luck using a product called Evapo-Rust. You can find it at some auto parts stores. It is non-toxic, no fumes, evironmentally safe. Simply take your rusted metal piece and soak it in the liquid, should take off light rust in 15-20 minutes and then you wash off with water and blow dry. Good luck, Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@...: kmmp36@...: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:22:37 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Rust > > > > Any suggestions as to how I can remove light rust on my Af items? > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52661	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: NASG Booth at Nashville WGH Show - Today, Feb 15

NASG booth is number 1503 at Nashville Convention center but there are no signs with booth numbers or even names in the booths. We are located near the front directly behind the Walthers booth and across the aisle from the right side of the big Lionel booth. If you are at the show, come to our booth. - Earl Henry **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52662	From: uvl97222	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14

Nice job on the layout! Clayton Milwaukie OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view? picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc > > Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and clumps of grass along the tracks for now. > > Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. > > I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track level. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52663	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube

We got a new DV camera for Valentines and I have uploaded a few test videos of the layout on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer There are 5 there now. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52664	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube

They look great Carl!! Regards, Daryl Carl Tuveson wrote: > > We got a new DV camera for Valentines and I have uploaded a few test > videos > of the layout on YouTube at: > > http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer > <http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer> > > There are 5 there now. > > Carl > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52665	From: William Porter	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube

Nice work, Carl. I hope there will be more. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:28 AM To: STrains Subject: [S-Trains] New S Gauge Videos On YouTube We got a new DV camera for Valentines and I have uploaded a few test videos of the layout on YouTube at: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer> com/user/carl4flyer There are 5 there now. Carl ___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52666	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube

Carl, That's some super videos you have. Your layout looks so life-like I forwarded it to a couple of friends and they wanted to know where the film was taken. They had no idea it was a layout! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote: > > We got a new DV camera for Valentines and I have uploaded a few test videos > of the layout on YouTube at: > > http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer > > There are 5 there now. > > Carl >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado [S-Trains] Digest Number 4361

Good move! The Lionel-AF Mikados and very similar Pacifics are a great value and a lot of fun. They are each pretty good models, run very well under TMCC, and have superior sounds. They have a few weaknesses (e.g., the Seuthe smoke unit, and the chuff switch on the first issued B&O and NYC versions). I assume that the chuff switch won't affect you because this was rectified in all of the later versions (I did this repair this past weekend on my B&O -- although not 'easy' it wasn't the end of the world). The second and later versions/ production runs of the Mikes and Pacifics have proven to be dependable and have not prompted a lot of warranty work. In a recent "unscientific" poll on S gauge locomotives conducted on this form, the L-AF Pacifics achieved something close to a 100% satisfaction rating, if I remember correctly. The best smoking action with the least mess is obtained using LGB or other fluids formulated for Seuthe units. Avoid letting the smoke unit go dry with its power on or, like any Seuthe unit, it will burn out. They are replaceable, however. There are a few that post here from time to time who seeming can't recognize a very good thing when they see it, but the Todd Wagner team at Lionel did their homework well on this one. Enjoy! Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/14/2009 6:53:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Posted by: "boguscop1953" _boguscop1953@... _ (mailto:boguscop1953@...?Subject= Re:AF%20Mikado) _boguscop1953 _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/boguscop1953) Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:32 am (PST) Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52668	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube

Hi Carl -- Good looking railroad. How about some "overviews" of the whole railroad with trains operating? Thanks for the show! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52669	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado [S-Trains] Digest Number 4361

Thanks Bob. Yeah, Lionel definitely got this one right. Only minor problem that I had was that the tender wheels started squeaking badly after the 2nd hour of operation, and that was fixed with some 50 year old AF oil. Finally figured out that the AUX button with 2 or 7 always denies them clearance to go while just 2 and 7 give them clearance to go. Funny how the "engineer" says he is getting as jumpy as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs! Really good!!!! By the way, why are those "chains" on the tender trucks? Never seen them before on a model locomotive. Seems like they possibly could interfere with the wheels on the tender, but have not so far. Another oddity that I have seen with my engine is that I run with the smoke unit off using the TMCC controls, not the switch in the boiler, but keep fluid in it. After activating BOOST for a while, the smoke unit will magically turn itself on, then will turn off. Has anybody else seen this? Its not a problem, just interesting. Ive had minor problems with "Flyonel" engines before, most recently a Milwaukee Electric,(6-48010) where one of the headlights on it would not operate, so I just opened the body and twisted the wire nuts, and it came on. Same thing with a Wabash Alco PA-1 (6-48100), so I was a little nervous about testing this one, what with all its features. But so far it has operated flawlessly, with the minor problem mentioned above. I dont run smoke that much, but I havent had the problem with smoke volume on this one, it really puts it out!! I use something called "Lotta Smoke" from Hampton Hobby Products that I bought years ago. Guess I got lucky there. This engine was produced in June 07 according to the box. And to think I was happy before hearing the (more) realistic diesel horn from the Alco PA and the Milwaukee!!!!! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > Good move! The Lionel-AF Mikados and very similar Pacifics are a great value > and a lot of fun. They are each pretty good models, run very well under > TMCC, and have superior sounds. They have a few weaknesses (e.g., the Seuthe > smoke unit, and the chuff switch on the first issued B&O and NYC versions). I > assume that the chuff switch won't affect you because this was rectified in all > of the later versions (I did this repair this past weekend on my B&O -- > although not 'easy' it wasn't the end of the world). The second and later > versions/ production runs of the Mikes and Pacifics have proven to be dependable and > have not prompted a lot of warranty work. In a recent "unscientific" poll on > S gauge locomotives conducted on this form, the L-AF Pacifics achieved > something close to a 100% satisfaction rating, if I remember correctly. > > The best smoking action with the least mess is obtained using LGB or other > fluids formulated for Seuthe units. Avoid letting the smoke unit go dry with > its power on or, like any Seuthe unit, it will burn out. They are replaceable, > however. > > There are a few that post here from time to time who seeming can't recognize > a very good thing when they see it, but the Todd Wagner team at Lionel did > their homework well on this one. > > Enjoy! > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 2/14/2009 6:53:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Posted by: "boguscop1953" _boguscop1953@... _ > (mailto:boguscop1953@...?Subject= Re:AF%20Mikado) _boguscop1953 _ > (http://profiles.yahoo.com/boguscop1953) > Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:32 am (PST) > Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command > base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning > about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol? redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe > bemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52670	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Youtube video Gilbert/Flyer Diesel Roar

I decided to get my NP PA's down and operate the powered and dummy with diesel roar. To see a video with the sounds and track voltage click on link below: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqQ6kFdv-yk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqQ6kFdv-yk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52671	From: John	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Working Conveyers in S gauge

I was just wondering if anyone has ever built a working conveyer or seen any information about building a working conveyer on a model railroad> John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52672	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Rust

According to TCA member Neil Young, rust never sleeps. O:)! I think Young is no longer in the TCA since he is not listed in the directory anymore. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: afkennn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rust Thanks, Larry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > I have had very good luck using a product called Evapo-Rust. You can find it at some auto parts stores. It is non-toxic, no fumes, evironmentally safe. Simply take your rusted metal piece and soak it in the liquid, should take off light rust in 15-20 minutes and then you wash off with water and blow dry. Good luck, Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@...: kmmp36@...: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:22:37 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Rust > > > > Any suggestions as to how I can remove light rust on my Af items? > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52673	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Latest on Layout 2-14

Thanks and not a problem about stealing ideas, as that is normal, even in business. LOL On the coal loader I have the same Refrig magnet on it for Nehi Soda, as I saw that in a book about AF layouts. O:)!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Winslow To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 Great layout, and great pictures also. I've bookmarked your page and will steal many ideas for my own. Thanks Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc> > > Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and > clumps of grass along the tracks for now. > > Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic > tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. > > I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track > level. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52674	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Telegraph Pole

Thanks Rick, as I went with the flat tops for the top of the poles as I asked around about flat vs. Tapered tops. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Telegraph Pole THose look great! -Rick On Feb 14, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1812871967/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc > > Telegraph pole made from a wooden dowel, metal cross arms and then > painted. > > When all telegraph poles are put in, I will use about 6 rolls of > telegraph line. > > I will have extra poles and cross arms painted lying around in the > dirt, as seen on many RR's. > > Production of Baseball light towers is underway. > > Opening day is April 4. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52675	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: OPENING DAY APRIL 4

Glenn, Well, happy birthday on April 4. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OPENING DAY APRIL 4 Well Mike & Linda, You couldn't have planned opening day more appropriately. I will be there for my 68th birthday party. I will ride in on my new Stony Creek passenger cars. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONYCREEKPASSENGER.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 23:00 Subject: [S-Trains] Telegraph Pole http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1812871967/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc Telegraph pole made from a wooden dowel, metal cross arms and then painted. When all telegraph poles are put in, I will use about 6 rolls of telegraph line. I will have extra poles and cross arms painted lying around in the dirt, as seen on many RR's. Production of Baseball light towers is underway. Opening day is April 4. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1953 - Release Date: 02/14/09 18:01:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52676	From: Glenn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Videos On YouTube

Great videos Carl. Looking forward to more. Glenn Staying on the Stony Creek branch-line ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson To: STrains Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:27 Subject: [S-Trains] New S Gauge Videos On YouTube We got a new DV camera for Valentines and I have uploaded a few test videos of the layout on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer There are 5 there now. Carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1953 - Release Date: 02/14/09 18:01:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52677	From: william cole	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado [S-Trains] tender truck safety chains

morew than anyone wants to know about tenders: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/octqtr/pdf/49cfr230.106.pdf By the way, why are those "chains" on the tender trucks? Never seen them before on a model locomotive. Seems like they possibly could interfere with the wheels on the tender, but have not so far. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52678	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/15/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52679	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Tender truck safety chains

> Our 2-8-0 had tender chains. I think they are the first non-brass S > scale steam with this feature. I am happy to see that Lionel is now > offering there AF steam engines with this very nice feature. > > Don Thompson > > S Helper Service Inc. > > www.showcaseline.com > > By the way, why are those "chains" on the tender trucks? Never seen > > them before on a model locomotive. Seems like they possibly could > > interfere with the wheels on the tender, but have not so far. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52680	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

Is stating a fact proof one got up on the wrong side of the bed? In a message dated 02/14/2009 10:32:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, robbe_wan@... writes: Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed... :-) --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@... wrote: > > Don't be too anxious to sell, Your post war will still be runnable long > after the electronics in the Mike are shot and unavailable. > > Steve > SnS > > > In a message dated 02/13/2009 11:46:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mikenguy9@.. mikenguy > > Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC > Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! > Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on > the shelf!!!! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52681	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

Wrong type worm, Mike Steve In a message dated 02/14/2009 10:33:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@... writes: Steve, Will your can motors fit into the new LTI Mikado? Mike In a message dated 2/14/2009 12:14:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) writes: Don't be too anxious to sell, Your post war will still be runnable long after the electronics in the Mike are shot and unavailable. Steve SnS In a message dated 02/13/2009 11:46:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, __mikenguy9@yahoo._mi_ (mailto:_mikenguy9@...) _ (mailto:_mikenguy9@..._ (mailto:mikenguy9@...) ) writes: Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52682	From: G C	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge

John, are you talking about the type used to load coal? If so I believe there was qn article in the old S Gauge Herald on making one. It is listed with a picture on line. Just Google S Gauge Herald and you will find a list of gems from the magazine. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52683	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

Thanks Steve, Mike In a message dated 2/15/2009 3:21:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, boss31@... writes: Wrong type worm, Mike Steve In a message dated 02/14/2009 10:33:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: Steve, Will your can motors fit into the new LTI Mikado? Mike In a message dated 2/14/2009 12:14:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, __boss31@aol._bo_ (mailto:_boss31@...) _ (mailto:_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) ) writes: Don't be too anxious to sell, Your post war will still be runnable long after the electronics in the Mike are shot and unavailable. Steve SnS In a message dated 02/13/2009 11:46:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, __mikenguy9@__mikenguy9@<WBR>ya__mikenguy9@yahoo._mi_ ( mailto:_mikenguy9@...) ) _ (mailto:__mikenguy9@yahoo._mi_ (mailto:_mikenguy9@...) _ (mailto:_mikenguy9@..._ (mailto:mikenguy9@...) ) ) writes: Just got this yesterday, ran it in TMCC mode w/PowerMaster and TMCC Command base. This is the coolest locomotive I have EVER owned!!!! Still learning about it. Makes me want to set all the postwar stuff on the shelf!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**You can't always choose whom you love, but yo to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (_http://personals.http://pehttp://personalshttp://pe_ (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52684	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge

John wrote: > > > I was just wondering if anyone has ever built a working conveyer or seen > any information > about building a working conveyer on a model railroad> > I'm assuming you mean something with a belt that small items would move on? Cool idea! How about something like on these two pages: http://tinyurl.com/b9dg6l http://tinyurl.com/b8yqq4 They have a variety of rubber toothed belts and pulleys that would make a great start for a conveyor. Add a small gear reduction motor and your nearly done. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52685	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck safety chains [S-Trains] Digest Number 4363

Well, not quite, Don. ;-) The very first issue (B&O, NYC) Mikado which preceded the SHS Consolidation to market, is fitted with tender truck safety chains. Both engines, of course, are very desirable to own. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/15/2009 6:21:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Our 2-8-0 had tender chains. I think they are the first non-brass S > scale steam with this feature. I am happy to see that Lionel is now > offering there AF steam engines with this very nice feature. > > Don Thompson **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52686	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck safety chains

Just to set the facts straight, the first Mikado's from Flyonel had tender chains. So Lionel was in fact offering this prior to the release of the 2-8-0. The NYC Mikado was in the 2003 Lionel release. The 2-8-0 has in my opinion more accurate detail overall than the Lionel steamers, but when it comes to tender chains, theirs were there first. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > Our 2-8-0 had tender chains. I think they are the first non- brass S > > scale steam with this feature. I am happy to see that Lionel is now > > offering there AF steam engines with this very nice feature. > > > > > Don Thompson > > > > > S Helper Service Inc. > > > > > www.showcaseline.com > > > > By the way, why are those "chains" on the tender trucks? Never seen > > > > them before on a model locomotive. Seems like they possibly could > > > > interfere with the wheels on the tender, but have not so far. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52687	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14

Nice work, Mike. Where did you get your Ballast? It looks great. ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Winslow To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:09 AM Subject: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 Great layout, and great pictures also. I've bookmarked your page and will steal many ideas for my own. Thanks Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc> > > Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and > clumps of grass along the tracks for now. > > Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic > tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. > > I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track > level. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52688	From: John	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge

Hi George Those look like good starter ideas. I am looking at something on the order of a transfer belt for coal from one location to another. The belt might have to be a little wider, longer and more flexable. I was thinking of maybe something like a bicycle inner tube or something similar cut to the size I need and then used some sort of pulley/geared motor to drive the whole thing. Thanks for the input John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cohn" <gwcohn@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Working Conveyers in S gauge > John wrote: >> >> >> I was just wondering if anyone has ever built a working conveyer or seen >> any information >> about building a working conveyer on a model railroad> >> > > I'm assuming you mean something with a belt that small items would move > on? Cool idea! How about something like on these two pages: > > http://tinyurl.com/b9dg6l > http://tinyurl.com/b8yqq4 > > They have a variety of rubber toothed belts and pulleys that would make > a great start for a conveyor. Add a small gear reduction motor and your > nearly done. > > George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52689	From: John	Date: 2/15/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge

Thank you Gene I did find the picture of the coal elevator. It gives me some things to think about John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Working Conveyers in S gauge > John, are you talking about the type used to load coal? If so I believe > there was qn article in the old S Gauge Herald on making one. It is listed > with a picture on line. Just Google S Gauge Herald and you will find a > list of gems from the magazine. > > gene cimino >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52690	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck safety chains

Oops!!! Don > The very first issue (B&O, NYC) Mikado which preceded the SHS > Consolidation to market, is fitted with tender truck safety chains. > > > Messages in this topic (1)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 4 > New Members > 44 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Share Photos > Put your favorite > photos and > more online. > Yahoo! Groups > Everyday Wellness Zone > Check out featured > healthy living groups. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52691	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14

Lou, The Ballast and track is from www.classictrains.com. I used a mixture of light and dark gray ballast, as it is real rock pieces for S. The ratio is 2 part dark to 1 part light. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Lou &Lois Templeton To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 Nice work, Mike. Where did you get your Ballast? It looks great. ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Winslow To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:09 AM Subject: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Latest on Layout 2-14 Great layout, and great pictures also. I've bookmarked your page and will steal many ideas for my own. Thanks Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/730259826/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc> > > Latest photos on my layout, as I have finished putting down dirt and > clumps of grass along the tracks for now. > > Next, I will start on the ballpark light towers, 8 of them from plastic > tubing, grain of wheat bulbs and 64 AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for lamp shades. > > I started to experiment with the camera as I got some pictures at track > level. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52692	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Layout Setback!!!!!

Well, as I said before, I have no idea what I am doing and I have done trail and error, as I have a minor set back in making the baseball light towers. On my second attempt in using a certain size tube, 9/32, as I tried a 3/16 before, the tubing is a bit too small for all the wires to go down the tube, mainly where I have to connect all the light wires together. So, I ordered some 3/8" tubes, as I think that will get it. Lights should be up and lighted before opening day on April 4 at the S Helper Ballpark. ESPN will be there broadcasting the opening day in Analog TV through WPLA TV. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52693	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge

Funny that I've spent the last few hours writing mechanical equipment specifications for 1:1 scale screw conveyors and I take a break to catch up on S-Trains messages and there is a thread on conveyors - small world. I've seen a Lionel inclined belt coal conveyor. MTH has a loading station accessory that has men moving on a horizontal belt conveyor. So there are some samples around you might want to check out to get some ideas. Now scratch building a screw conveyor - hmmmm - sounds like a challange. Maybe Stumpy should give this one a try! And for the very bravest of the brave try scratch building a slip- stick conveyor or maybe a tube conveyor. BG1 (working way too hard on conveyors tonight) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Thank you Gene > > I did find the picture of the coal elevator. > It gives me some things to think about > > John Frankforther > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Working Conveyers in S gauge > > > > John, are you talking about the type used to load coal? If so I believe > > there was qn article in the old S Gauge Herald on making one. It is listed > > with a picture on line. Just Google S Gauge Herald and you will find a > > list of gems from the magazine. > > > > gene cimino > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52694	From: John	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge

Thanks BG I think the hardest part of building one will be finding the right belting material. It needs to be about 1/16" thick or less, very flexable and about 1 1/2" to 2" wide by however long I need it. I'm not too worried about it being built to scale, I just want it to be able to transfer the coal from my rotary dumper back to the coaling tower. It will probably be hidden anyway. I wouldn't think the screw conveyors would be too hard to build. Start off with a plastic pipe or brass tube for the outside, say 3/4" then use a 1/4" brass rod down the center and just solder the screw part to the 1/4" rod. Put a bearing on both ends of the tube and cut holes in each end , one for input the other for output. Granted it wouldn't be to scale but ....... hmmmm maybe I'll try and build that instead of the conveyor belt. In the 1:1 scale .. do you know what the pitch of the auger is?? Thanks for the ideas John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge > Funny that I've spent the last few hours writing mechanical > equipment specifications for 1:1 scale screw conveyors and I take a > break to catch up on S-Trains messages and there is a thread on > conveyors - small world. I've seen a Lionel inclined belt coal > conveyor. MTH has a loading station accessory that has men moving > on a horizontal belt conveyor. So there are some samples around you > might want to check out to get some ideas. > > Now scratch building a screw conveyor - hmmmm - sounds like a > challange. Maybe Stumpy should give this one a try! > > And for the very bravest of the brave try scratch building a slip- > stick conveyor or maybe a tube conveyor. > > BG1 (working way too hard on conveyors tonight) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52695	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge - Pitch

John, Pitch in 1:1 screw conveyors varies greatly depending on the material being conveyed. For a scale screw conveyor make sure the pitch allows the largest piece of material you want to convey to fit between the screws with a good amount of space so they don't bind up. Also be careful that you have plenty of room between the bottom of the conveyor trough and the bottom of the shaft or that will bind up also. Make sure the feed and discharge openings are large enough too. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Thanks BG > > I think the hardest part of building one will be finding the right belting > material. > It needs to be about 1/16" thick or less, very flexable and about 1 1/2" to > 2" wide by > however long I need it. > > I'm not too worried about it being built to scale, I just want it to be able > to > transfer the coal from my rotary dumper back to the coaling tower. It will > probably be hidden anyway. > > I wouldn't think the screw conveyors would be too hard to build. Start off > with a plastic pipe or brass tube for the outside, say 3/4" then use a 1/4" > brass rod down the center and just solder the screw part to the 1/4" rod. > Put a bearing on both ends of the tube and cut holes in each end , one for > input the other for output. Granted it wouldn't be to scale but ....... > hmmmm maybe I'll try and build that instead of the conveyor belt. > > In the 1:1 scale .. do you know what the pitch of the auger is?? > > Thanks for the ideas > > John Frankforther > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:42 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Working Conveyers in S gauge > > > > Funny that I've spent the last few hours writing mechanical > > equipment specifications for 1:1 scale screw conveyors and I take a > > break to catch up on S-Trains messages and there is a thread on > > conveyors - small world. I've seen a Lionel inclined belt coal > > conveyor. MTH has a loading station accessory that has men moving > > on a horizontal belt conveyor. So there are some samples around you > > might want to check out to get some ideas. > > > > Now scratch building a screw conveyor - hmmmm - sounds like a > > challange. Maybe Stumpy should give this one a try! > > > > And for the very bravest of the brave try scratch building a slip- > > stick conveyor or maybe a tube conveyor. > > > > BG1 (working way too hard on conveyors tonight) > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52696	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: How's It Made - Model Railroad Cars

Hi All, I recorded "How's It Made" last night. It had a segment on model railroad cars. They were making O scale hopper and box cars. It showed how the cars are extruded, air brush painted, screen painted and assembled. Pretty interesting, especially the screen painting part. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52697	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool

Hi All, I'm trying to find a rivet tool that I can use to attach some of the bilboard sign projects that I'm working on.. Any ideas ? Thank You in advance, Don in St.Petersburg, FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52698	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: New Australian Model Railway Club

I've been to Albury!  In fact, I almost didn't get out of Albury:   http://www.geocities.com/augustinaustralia/XPT_my_pix1.html   Looks like you've got a great club started!  I hope I can get back there to meet you some time.   Bob --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@...> wrote: From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New Australian Model Railway Club To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 2:59 PM Dear All, There is a new model railway club in Australia based in Albury/Wodonga on the New South Wales/Victorian border about 3 1/2 hours drive north of Melbourne. It is called The Murray Railway Modellers Inc. (The Murray river forms the border between the two states). Our website is murrayrailwaymodell ers.com There are even two S gaugers in the club, myself (AF,etc.) and a bloke who models Sn3 New Zealand railways! Our first show as a group is on the first weekend in May. Details are on the website. Regards, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52699	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool

Hi Don, Not knowing exactly what you're doing, have you tried pop rivets? They come in a lot of diameters and lengths and you can pick up pop rivets and the "gun" at most hardware stores. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: > > > Hi All, I'm trying to find a rivet tool that I can use to attach some of the bilboard sign projects that I'm working on.. Any ideas ? Thank You in advance, Don in St.Petersburg, FL. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52700	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool

Don, if you need a tool turned on a metal cutting lathe I can do it. What type of rivet - sizes shape are you going for? Put some thing down on paper scan or photo, and send it to me. I would be happy to look at it. Clayton D. Milwaukie OR --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: > From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Rivet Tool > To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:57 AM > Hi All, I'm trying to find a rivet tool that I can use > to attach some of the bilboard sign projects that I'm > working on.. Any ideas ? Thank You in advance, Don in > St.Petersburg, FL. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52701	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool

Hi Clayton, I'll have to get to that in the AM...But Thank You... so much for your kind offer to help....Don To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: uvl97222@... Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:25:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Rivet Tool Don, if you need a tool turned on a metal cutting lathe I can do it. What type of rivet - sizes shape are you going for? Put some thing down on paper scan or photo, and send it to me. I would be happy to look at it. Clayton D. Milwaukie OR --- On Mon, 2/16/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: > From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Rivet Tool > To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 11:57 AM > Hi All, I'm trying to find a rivet tool that I can use > to attach some of the bilboard sign projects that I'm > working on.. Any ideas ? Thank You in advance, Don in > St.Petersburg, FL. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52702	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Dragger track cleaners

Several months ago when my ceiling level layout had been running just a few weeks I posted about being surprised about how dirty the track was already. But then thinking about how much I enjoy a well- functioning smoke unit it should not have been a surprise. All of that vaporized smoke fluid has to go somewhere. What goes up must come down... on the track. Stumpy suggested that I make a simple John Allen type dragger cleaner. Last weekend I found myself between projects. I'm looking forward to a 312 SIT and looking for a restorable Hudson SIB now that the 322 SIT is functioning perfectly. But neither of those is here yet and the track up there needed cleaning. So I took Stumpy's advise and searched the net for a design. All the descriptions were pretty nebulous... take a piece of Masonite, put a couple of nails through it and drill holes in the bottom of a car for the nails to go through. Stick the nails into the holes in the car and let the piece of Masonite be dragged along the rails. Simple and effective and almost free. If you're on a tight hobby budget like me, this may be a project for you. The only thing I had to buy was a 2' x 4' sheet of Masonite for $3.90 or something close to that at the Home Depot. That will make many, many cleaners. Other supplies were a few roofing nails (chosen for their large heads), some epoxy and self-stick Velcro. These were on hand but would not add much cost if you had to buy them. For my first try I used an AF 802 IC reefer. These can be found (or replaced if I screw it up) for $10. I wouldn't do this with an ART reefer. I cut a couple of Masonite strips about 1 7/8" wide, about the width of my Gragraves ties. Then a piece of the strip was cut long enough to fill the area between the 802's trucks without interfering with their movement. In this case the length was about 2 3/4". I marked the center and drilled a hole on either end of the strip (lengthwise) for the nails. These holes were used to mark the car floor where two matching holes were drilled for the nails. I used a 5/16" pinpoint bit to recess the holes on the shiny side for the nail heads. On this piece the 'rough' side of the Masonite will point up toward the car bottom. After checking that the nails would fit through the holes and would sit flush I epoxied them to the Masonite. While the epoxy cured, I cut several more 1 7/8 by 2 3/4 pieces, and beveled the ends of the 'rough' side with a sanding drum on the drill press. This side will ride along the rails. A strip of hook tape was applied to the shiny side of one end and a strip of loop tale was applied to the other end of each of these pieces which are now cleaning pads. After the epoxy was cured a strip of hook and loop tape were applied to either end of the top piece, over the nail heads. Then a pad can be pressed to the top piece, the nails slid into the car bottom and the whole thing placed on the track. When the pad is dirty, replace it with one of the spares you made and when a pile of the spare gets dirty they can all be sanded off and re-used. The sanding duat would make great dirt if there were any scenery up there. My first couple of pads came up real dirty real fast but now into the third set they are lasting a bit longer. And the track is shiny clean. Best of all, I only have to get up on the stool to watch the trains closer, not to clean the tracks. My second cleaner is a mail pickup car, installed on the 'empty' side. To keep it on the empty side it was installed off-center. That is.. close to the set of trucks on the empty side and ending a little past the center of the car. That allowed for use of existing holes in the car floor. A word of caution. If you have structures close to the tracks, this off-center car becomes directional. The cleaner must be at the front of the car. If run the other way, the cleaner overhangs and may catch structures close to the track and you may discover just how powerful your locomotive really is! No duct tape was used anywhere in this project. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52703	From: Firewood	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: 'Inbetween' driving wheels?

Hi gang, Is there a common driving wheel for AF out there that is somewhere between the standard AF one and the 0-8-0 switcher? Like maybe a 54" driver or something - maybe even PRR Decapod size? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52704	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

"No duct tape was used anywhere in this project" Red Green will be totally disappointed! http://www.redgreen.com/index.cfm?app=cart&a=menu -rick > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52705	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool

HI Try Chicago Rivit tool Co in Chicago they made the Original Lionel rivit tools and arbor press -----Original Message----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> To: S-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:59 pm Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Rivet Tool [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52706	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: 'Inbetween' driving wheels?

Sounds like the Flyonel Mikado wheels might be about the size you are looking for. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Firewood Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 'Inbetween' driving wheels? Hi gang, Is there a common driving wheel for AF out there that is somewhere between the standard AF one and the 0-8-0 switcher? Like maybe a 54" driver or something - maybe even PRR Decapod size? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52707	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL

_THIRD HAND RIVETING TOOL...A MUST HAVE - eBay (item 250375228301 end time Feb-21-09 18:37:48 PST)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/THIRD-HAND-RIVETING-TOOL-A-MUST-HAVE_W0QQitemZ250375228301QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item250375228 301&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:4|65:10|39:1|240:1318) This might be what you are looking for. Mike **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52708	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2009
Subject: Re: Rivet Tool

hi again Sounds like a the coupler rivit might work Tom David -----Original Message----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> To: S-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 1:57 pm Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Rivet Tool Hi All, I'm trying to find a rivet tool that I can use to attach some of the bilboard sign projects that I'm working on.. Any ideas ? Thank You in advance, Don in St.Petersburg, FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52709	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: 'Inbetween' driving wheels?

Wheels from an 0-6-0 (21004-21005) may do the trick. I know where some are. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/16/2009 7:30:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, fahrwud@... writes: Hi gang, Is there a common driving wheel for AF out there that is somewhere between the standard AF one and the 0-8-0 switcher? Like maybe a 54" driver or something - maybe even PRR Decapod size? Dave **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52710	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL

Gee, that "Third Hand Riveting Tool" looks like a spring-loaded center punch which Harbor Freight Tools (check their website for a store near you) sells for $4.99, or wait 'til they're on sale for about $2.50, certainly lots less than the $11.99 that pirate wants for his! ____________________________________________________________ Come clean with a brand new shower. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbuMQcbkCK0Ad2qL6poCZNEdYGmG14tHkUaRD6MClCQl6Dtur/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52711	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Dragger Track Cleaners

Just a suggestion to all S Trains folks.....print a copy of Tim Benner's message of how to build one of these! Well written Tim! John Allen first wrote about making these in the early fifties in Model Railroader for use on his G&D Line which was HO using hand laid brass rail. Brass rail is notorious for collecting dirt and he had miles of it on his basement filling layout. I have used them in almost every scale I've been in for decades! They are meant to be used in an occassional train to wipe off oil, dust, and dirt which accumulates as you run trains. Draggers are a "maintenance" tool, not a cleaner of rust or heavy crud on old track. At train shows, I put a car equipped with one into a train every few hours due to the dirt created by foot traffic. Run one of these on your home layout every once in a while. Using a dragger helps limit wheel cleaning to more acceptable levels too. The clean them, I scrub them with detergent and an old toothbrush. When they get too bad for that, I sand them clean, and when that isn't enough, I make a new one. Real simple and real cheap! Stumpy Stone...satisfied user since the fifties...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52712	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL

schwartzsj@... wrote: > Gee, that "Third Hand Riveting Tool" looks like a spring-loaded center punch which Harbor Freight Tools (check their website for a store near you) sells for $4.99, or wait 'til they're on sale for about $2.50, certainly lots less than the $11.99 that pirate wants for his! Good tools will last a lifetime. I've bought Harbor Freight punches and chisels that were made of for lack of a better term, "butter steel." I actually bent one chisel just tapping on it lightly. I have a set of the rivet setting tools for AF that I got from one of the usual suppliers and they are beautiful turnings. Never had a problem setting a rivet properly. I use my drill press as a ram and mount the setting tool in the chuck. put the anvil on the table and gently pull on the handle of the drill press until the rivet is set perfectly. Works especially well for setting truck rivets. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52713	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL

Thanks to you all for your help...I found what I needed at Harbor Freight Tools...What a Great Group of Good People...Thanks Again,....Don > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: schwartzsj@... > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:23:14 +0000 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: RIVETING TOOL > > Gee, that "Third Hand Riveting Tool" looks like a spring-loaded center punch which Harbor Freight Tools (check their website for a store near you) sells for $4.99, or wait 'til they're on sale for about $2.50, certainly lots less than the $11.99 that pirate wants for his! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Come clean with a brand new shower. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbuMQcbkCK0Ad2qL6poCZNEdYGmG14tHkUaRD6MClCQl6Dtur/ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52714	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Conveyor Belts

John Frankforther wrote: >>> Those look like good starter ideas. I am looking at something on the order of a transfer belt for coal from one location to another. The belt might have to be a little wider, longer and more flexable. I was thinking of maybe something like a bicycle inner tube or something similar cut to the size I need and then used some sort of pulley/geared motor to drive the whole thing. >>> John, Although it's now out of print, I might suggest you search for a copy of Adolph F. Frank's excellent book, "Animated Scale Models Handbook." (Arco Publishing Co., NY, 1981, ISBN 0-668-05118-3.) You might be able to find one at your local library (or through interlibrary loan), and I believe Amazon has some used ones for sale. It's chock-full of complete plans and descriptions for scratchbuilding all kinds of animated models for your layout, and is so well laid-out that even I am going to attempt building some. Chapter 9 discusses the construction of various plants, including some with conveyor belts. If you like, I can scan several of the conveyor pages and send a PDF directly to you. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52715	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: RIVETING TOOL

Some of the dealers on this list sell a tool called "Brakemans riveting tool". It should handle most any riveting job you may have. Steve SnS Trains Boise **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52716	From: pontiac231sc	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Intro and Question

Hi, good to meet everyone. I've just joined and this is my first post. Recently I was at a train show and picked up a ton of Gargraves track for cheap. I think I have something like 50-55 pieces of 37" Gargraves track. This has inspired me to start a layout for a room in my cellar. What are everyone's thoughts on this track? Is it flexible? I pulled on it a bit, and it seems very stiff. Would the American Models track be better? Can I solder the Gargraves track? I figure I would deal in hi-rail stuff as the few things that I have are Flyer and hi-rail American Models. This is quite an expensive hobby as I'm finding out in my research. The last layout was N scale and that's super cheap compared to the S scale stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52717	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Conveyor Belts

OOPS! I hit the send button too soon. The VHS system already has the reels and (I believe) a tension system to keep the tape taught across the heads?? Don Munsey, Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: beebear@... Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:51:09 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [S-Trains] Conveyor Belts John Frankforther wrote: >>> Those look like good starter ideas. I am looking at something on the order of a transfer belt for coal from one location to another. The belt might have to be a little wider, longer and more flexable. I was thinking of maybe something like a bicycle inner tube or something similar cut to the size I need and then used some sort of pulley/geared motor to drive the whole thing. >>> John, Although it's now out of print, I might suggest you search for a copy of Adolph F. Frank's excellent book, "Animated Scale Models Handbook." (Arco Publishing Co., NY, 1981, ISBN 0-668-05118-3.) You might be able to find one at your local library (or through interlibrary loan), and I believe Amazon has some used ones for sale. It's chock-full of complete plans and descriptions for scratchbuilding all kinds of animated models for your layout, and is so well laid-out that even I am going to attempt building some. Chapter 9 discusses the construction of various plants, including some with conveyor belts. If you like, I can scan several of the conveyor pages and send a PDF directly to you. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52718	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Conveyor Belts

I wonder if VHS tape could be used for the conveyor belt? The stuff is bullet proof!! Don Munsey, Jr S-Sn42 and Hn42 in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: beebear@... Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:51:09 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [S-Trains] Conveyor Belts John Frankforther wrote: >>> Those look like good starter ideas. I am looking at something on the order of a transfer belt for coal from one location to another. The belt might have to be a little wider, longer and more flexable. I was thinking of maybe something like a bicycle inner tube or something similar cut to the size I need and then used some sort of pulley/geared motor to drive the whole thing. >>> John, Although it's now out of print, I might suggest you search for a copy of Adolph F. Frank's excellent book, "Animated Scale Models Handbook." (Arco Publishing Co., NY, 1981, ISBN 0-668-05118-3.) You might be able to find one at your local library (or through interlibrary loan), and I believe Amazon has some used ones for sale. It's chock-full of complete plans and descriptions for scratchbuilding all kinds of animated models for your layout, and is so well laid-out that even I am going to attempt building some. Chapter 9 discusses the construction of various plants, including some with conveyor belts. If you like, I can scan several of the conveyor pages and send a PDF directly to you. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52719	From: paflyrman	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: NE1 Know about this RARE AF Reefer?

A rare? painted 639 reefer on Ebay at 270345877521. Looks like a possible chemically treated yellow car, but what do I know? Never seen one in 40 years of collecting. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52720	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Re: Intro and Question

Welcome! I am a relative novice myself. I chose Gargraves because it's what I had in the '70s, it mates with AF switches and it was the least expensive option. If you only ever want to run AF and Hi-rail it is a good option. Having just laid a case of it I'll tell you what I know about it. It is bendable but not like your N scale flex track as you just discovered. Bending it is a one time thing. There is no returning it to straight state. To form curves, I found I had to anticipate where the center of the curve was going to be in the piece and very slowly work the bend from the center out, little by little, until the desired curve is achieved. It is easy to kink the track. That is why you work the curve just a little at a time. Kinks WILL happen so it is good to have a little more than what you need. Check the track very carefully for level at the ends. My entire case sloped downward at both ends. Maybe that was from shipping, maybe part of the manufacturing process. These slopes can be removed. Gargraves comes in regular (tin plated) and Stainless steel. I don't know if the stainless can be soldered but truly doubt it can. The tinplate can be soldered and you won't need to worry about melting the ties if your iron lingers on the piece too long. Every one of may rail joints is soldered and dressed with a file. Every wire lead is soldered as well. There are other track options that will work for both scale and hi- rail. They are more expensive but they leave your options open should you ever decide to run scale equipment. Port Lines Hobbies website http://portlines.com/ has pretty good descriptions of the major makes of S track so you can do some comparisons there. Hope this helps and hope you have fun with it! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pontiac231sc" <pontiac231sc@...> wrote: > > Hi, good to meet everyone. I've just joined and this is my first > post. > > Recently I was at a train show and picked up a ton of Gargraves track > for cheap. I think I have something like 50-55 pieces of 37" Gargraves > track. This has inspired me to start a layout for a room in my > cellar. > > What are everyone's thoughts on this track? Is it flexible? I pulled > on it a bit, and it seems very stiff. Would the American Models track > be better? Can I solder the Gargraves track? I figure I would deal in > hi-rail stuff as the few things that I have are Flyer and hi-rail > American Models. > > This is quite an expensive hobby as I'm finding out in my research. > The last layout was N scale and that's super cheap compared to the S > scale stuff. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52721	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/17/2009
Subject: Intro and a question

Welcome aboard! A whole lot of folks who started years ago with old American Flyer track upgraded to Gargraves track as it allows wider radius curves to be made and is relatively inexpensive. Tim has pretty well explained about this track and it mates up well with old Flyer track. You'll do yourself a favor by forgetting about using the Gargraves turnouts (switches) as most of them are junk. There is said to be improved ones, but so far I haven't seen them. Maybe everyone is still stuck with old stock. I used to use the Gargraves with Flyer switches, but upgraded to the track made by S Helper Service. It is expensive, but is top quality has built in roadbed, and the switches work with all locos and rolling stock without modification. Non-roadbed flextrack is also availible in the SHS line. Yes, S gauge is more expensive than N gauge, but us old farts can see it a lot better! It also stays on the track and coupled up more reliably without all the tweaking needed in HO, N, and Z scales! (Been there, done that!) Be sure to have fun and ask lots of questions...this gang has lots of answers! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52722	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

Did you use 1/8" hardboard or 1/4" hardboard. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Several months ago when my ceiling level layout had been running > just a few weeks I posted about being surprised about how dirty the > track was already. But then thinking about how much I enjoy a well- > functioning smoke unit it should not have been a surprise. All of > that vaporized smoke fluid has to go somewhere. What goes up must > come down... on the track. Stumpy suggested that I make a simple > John Allen type dragger cleaner. > > Last weekend I found myself between projects. I'm looking forward > to a 312 SIT and looking for a restorable Hudson SIB now that the > 322 SIT is functioning perfectly. But neither of those is here yet > and the track up there needed cleaning. So I took Stumpy's advise > and searched the net for a design. All the descriptions were pretty > nebulous... take a piece of Masonite, put a couple of nails through > it and drill holes in the bottom of a car for the nails to go > through. Stick the nails into the holes in the car and let the > piece of Masonite be dragged along the rails. Simple and effective > and almost free. If you're on a tight hobby budget like me, this > may be a project for you. > > The only thing I had to buy was a 2' x 4' sheet of Masonite for > $3.90 or something close to that at the Home Depot. That will make > many, many cleaners. Other supplies were a few roofing nails > (chosen for their large heads), some epoxy and self-stick Velcro. > These were on hand but would not add much cost if you had to buy > them. > > For my first try I used an AF 802 IC reefer. These can be found (or > replaced if I screw it up) for $10. I wouldn't do this with an ART > reefer. I cut a couple of Masonite strips about 1 7/8" wide, about > the width of my Gragraves ties. Then a piece of the strip was cut > long enough to fill the area between the 802's trucks without > interfering with their movement. In this case the length was about > 2 3/4". I marked the center and drilled a hole on either end of the > strip (lengthwise) for the nails. These holes were used to mark the > car floor where two matching holes were drilled for the nails. > > I used a 5/16" pinpoint bit to recess the holes on the shiny side > for the nail heads. On this piece the 'rough' side of the Masonite > will point up toward the car bottom. After checking that the nails > would fit through the holes and would sit flush I epoxied them to > the Masonite. > > While the epoxy cured, I cut several more 1 7/8 by 2 3/4 pieces, and > beveled the ends of the 'rough' side with a sanding drum on the > drill press. This side will ride along the rails. A strip of hook > tape was applied to the shiny side of one end and a strip of loop > tale was applied to the other end of each of these pieces which are > now cleaning pads. > > After the epoxy was cured a strip of hook and loop tape were applied > to either end of the top piece, over the nail heads. Then a pad can > be pressed to the top piece, the nails slid into the car bottom and > the whole thing placed on the track. When the pad is dirty, replace > it with one of the spares you made and when a pile of the spare gets > dirty they can all be sanded off and re-used. The sanding duat > would make great dirt if there were any scenery up there. > > My first couple of pads came up real dirty real fast but now into > the third set they are lasting a bit longer. And the track is shiny > clean. Best of all, I only have to get up on the stool to watch the > trains closer, not to clean the tracks. > > My second cleaner is a mail pickup car, installed on the 'empty' > side. To keep it on the empty side it was installed off-center. > That is.. close to the set of trucks on the empty side and ending a > little past the center of the car. That allowed for use of existing > holes in the car floor. A word of caution. If you have structures > close to the tracks, this off-center car becomes directional. The > cleaner must be at the front of the car. If run the other way, the > cleaner overhangs and may catch structures close to the track and > you may discover just how powerful your locomotive really is! > > No duct tape was used anywhere in this project. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52723	From: John	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Conveyor Belts

Hi Don I had thought about that too but it's too stiff side-to-side and not wide enough but that would work for another project I am thinking of. Thanks for the idea!!. We replaced a transfer belt last night at work and I asked if I could have the old one. It is about a foot wide, about 1/32" to 1/16" thick, about 4' long and REAL flexible. We use it on our mailing machines for diverted mail for the operators to collect and sort by hand. It is almost like holding a thin towel in your hands. I figure I can cut it into strips and then build a conveyor system out of dowel rods and piano wire, say 2" wide to create a trough for the belt to ride in with hand made pulleys on both ends to drive it. I have a small gear motor that will do nicely. That way when I get my rotary dumper working I will have a conveyor system to secretly transfer the dumped coal back up to the tipple and be ready to fill more coal cars. Now, if I only had a layout to drop this in I'd be all set. Thanks again for the ideas!! John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: <dmunseyjr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <dmunseyjr@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Conveyor Belts >I wonder if VHS tape could be used for the conveyor belt? The stuff is >bullet proof!! > > Don Munsey, Jr > S-Sn42 and Hn42 in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52724	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

Wayne, I used 1/8". The 1/4" hardboard may have left enough clearance but too close for comfort. The 1/8" pieces times 2 with velcro sandwiched in the middle leaves plenty of clearance and has enough weight to clean the track. Regards, Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > > Did you use 1/8" hardboard or 1/4" hardboard. > > Wayne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52725	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

Anyone ever tried to put a coil spring on the nail shaft between the car bottom and the hardboard?  Seems like that would provide a bit more pressure.  ONTH, it might be turning a simple solution into something more complicated than it needs to be.   Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:10:17 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Dragger track cleaners Did you use 1/8" hardboard or 1/4" hardboard. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Several months ago when my ceiling level layout had been running > just a few weeks I posted about being surprised about how dirty the > track was already. But then thinking about how much I enjoy a well- > functioning smoke unit it should not have been a surprise. All of > that vaporized smoke fluid has to go somewhere. What goes up must > come down... on the track. Stumpy suggested that I make a simple > John Allen type dragger cleaner. > > Last weekend I found myself between projects. I'm looking forward > to a 312 SIT and looking for a restorable Hudson SIB now that the > 322 SIT is functioning perfectly. But neither of those is here yet > and the track up there needed cleaning. So I took Stumpy's advise > and searched the net for a design. All the descriptions were pretty > nebulous... take a piece of Masonite, put a couple of nails through > it and drill holes in the bottom of a car for the nails to go > through. Stick the nails into the holes in the car and let the > piece of Masonite be dragged along the rails. Simple and effective > and almost free. If you're on a tight hobby budget like me, this > may be a project for you. > > The only thing I had to buy was a 2' x 4' sheet of Masonite for > $3.90 or something close to that at the Home Depot. That will make > many, many cleaners. Other supplies were a few roofing nails > (chosen for their large heads), some epoxy and self-stick Velcro. > These were on hand but would not add much cost if you had to buy > them. > > For my first try I used an AF 802 IC reefer. These can be found (or > replaced if I screw it up) for $10. I wouldn't do this with an ART > reefer. I cut a couple of Masonite strips about 1 7/8" wide, about > the width of my Gragraves ties. Then a piece of the strip was cut > long enough to fill the area between the 802's trucks without > interfering with their movement. In this case the length was about > 2 3/4". I marked the center and drilled a hole on either end of the > strip (lengthwise) for the nails. These holes were used to mark the > car floor where two matching holes were drilled for the nails. > > I used a 5/16" pinpoint bit to recess the holes on the shiny side > for the nail heads. On this piece the 'rough' side of the Masonite > will point up toward the car bottom. After checking that the nails > would fit through the holes and would sit flush I epoxied them to > the Masonite. > > While the epoxy cured, I cut several more 1 7/8 by 2 3/4 pieces, and > beveled the ends of the 'rough' side with a sanding drum on the > drill press. This side will ride along the rails. A strip of hook > tape was applied to the shiny side of one end and a strip of loop > tale was applied to the other end of each of these pieces which are > now cleaning pads. > > After the epoxy was cured a strip of hook and loop tape were applied > to either end of the top piece, over the nail heads. Then a pad can > be pressed to the top piece, the nails slid into the car bottom and > the whole thing placed on the track. When the pad is dirty, replace > it with one of the spares you made and when a pile of the spare gets > dirty they can all be sanded off and re-used. The sanding duat > would make great dirt if there were any scenery up there. > > My first couple of pads came up real dirty real fast but now into > the third set they are lasting a bit longer. And the track is shiny > clean. Best of all, I only have to get up on the stool to watch the > trains closer, not to clean the tracks. > > My second cleaner is a mail pickup car, installed on the 'empty' > side. To keep it on the empty side it was installed off-center. > That is.. close to the set of trucks on the empty side and ending a > little past the center of the car. That allowed for use of existing > holes in the car floor. A word of caution. If you have structures > close to the tracks, this off-center car becomes directional. The > cleaner must be at the front of the car. If run the other way, the > cleaner overhangs and may catch structures close to the track and > you may discover just how powerful your locomotive really is! > > No duct tape was used anywhere in this project. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52726	From: William Porter	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

Hi Jim, I have used these John Allen type cleaners for years. Adding a springs is a way to transfer some of the weight of the car to the pad. I don't recommend it. The car should be weighted to track properly. If weight is removed from it, there may be derailments. If you feel the urge to apply more pressure, try adding some lead weights to the top surface of the Masonite pad. That shouldn't hurt anything. It may not help, either. The modest weight of the pad seems to be about right for the cleaning operation. The key is that the system cleans a little bit on every pass over the rails and is working all the time for you. It is different than the major effort of cleaning tracks just before company comes to visit. I always use a car with a metal chassis. That way, the support nails don't enlarge the holes as the pad follows the (shudder) irregularities in the track. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimensign50@... Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Dragger track cleaners Anyone ever tried to put a coil spring on the nail shaft between the car bottom and the hardboard? Seems like that would provide a bit more pressure. ONTH, it might be turning a simple solution into something more complicated than it needs to be. Jim E. ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52727	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

Does anyone have a picture of one of these types of track cleaners. I'm interested, but having a hard time visualizing. Thanks, -AJ On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, William Porter <wpporter@...>wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I have used these John Allen type cleaners for years. Adding a springs is a > way to transfer some of the weight of the car to the pad. I don't recommend > it. The car should be weighted to track properly. If weight is removed from > it, there may be derailments. > > If you feel the urge to apply more pressure, try adding some lead weights > to > the top surface of the Masonite pad. That shouldn't hurt anything. It may > not help, either. The modest weight of the pad seems to be about right for > the cleaning operation. The key is that the system cleans a little bit on > every pass over the rails and is working all the time for you. It is > different than the major effort of cleaning tracks just before company > comes > to visit. > > I always use a car with a metal chassis. That way, the support nails don't > enlarge the holes as the pad follows the (shudder) irregularities in the > track. > > Good Luck, > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of jimensign50@... <jimensign50%40comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:05 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Dragger track cleaners > > Anyone ever tried to put a coil spring on the nail shaft between the car > bottom and the hardboard? Seems like that would provide a bit more > pressure. ONTH, it might be turning a simple solution into something more > complicated than it needs to be. > Jim E. > > ,_._,___ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52728	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

I clean my masonite cleaner car's pad with 60-100 grit sandpaper. I still believe a cloth dampened with your favorite solvent/cleaner and elbow grease is the best track cleaner around, but when I don't feel like doing that I have found the following works very nearly as well even on gunky tracks. Tow the following one or two cars behind a strong pulling engine - - an SnS track cleaner car with spinning Scotchbrite pad, a masonite pad car, then an AF track cleaner car with LGB smoke fluid on the front pair of pads and 91% isopropyl alcohol on the rear pair of pads. Clean, smooth, dry railheads are the result. The SnS car can give off fine dirty and static, that's why I suggest pulling it a car or two behind the engine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52729	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

I'll take some pics and get them up tonight. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, AJ Johnson <ajjohnson.pdx@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a picture of one of these types of track cleaners. I'm > interested, but having a hard time visualizing. > > Thanks, > > -AJ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52730	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Layout Bikers...

A week or so ago, someone was looking for leather-clad bikers for his layout. I suggested he contact Reviresco as I bought some bikes with standing and seated bikers from them a couple of years ago when I built my Harley shop. I see, on their site, that the kits are still offered though the number of bikers/kit has shrunk from five to four with "Barbie the Biker" no longer part of the set. I guess that makes Barbie an over-the-hill antique biker-babe. Anyway, while rummaging through my people box today, I noticed I have ten left-over bikers, no bikes. I have ten unpainted figures, eight male, two female, six standing, and four seated as on a cycle. Would the person who wanted bikers please contact me off-list? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52731	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

OK, I've been following this conversation a little bit, and I'm new to s gauge/AF. Part of my layout is just about ready to run trains on (thanks to some sage advice a while back from everyone regarding my nemisis, the dreaded pikemaster turnouts). So, in preparation, I've cleaned all the tracks carefully and have managed to purchase, on e-bay, (Whoops, another dirty word), the dropped center AF track cleaning car. It looks like just some felt pieces designed to drag on the rails, I assume somewhat drenched in track cleaning fluid. Am I on another fools errand, or will this actually do some good? Pat, In Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Dragger track cleaners Did you use 1/8" hardboard or 1/4" hardboard. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Several months ago when my ceiling level layout had been running > just a few weeks I posted about being surprised about how dirty the > track was already. But then thinking about how much I enjoy a well- > functioning smoke unit it should not have been a surprise. All of > that vaporized smoke fluid has to go somewhere. What goes up must > come down... on the track. Stumpy suggested that I make a simple > John Allen type dragger cleaner. > > Last weekend I found myself between projects. I'm looking forward > to a 312 SIT and looking for a restorable Hudson SIB now that the > 322 SIT is functioning perfectly. But neither of those is here yet > and the track up there needed cleaning. So I took Stumpy's advise > and searched the net for a design. All the descriptions were pretty > nebulous... take a piece of Masonite, put a couple of nails through > it and drill holes in the bottom of a car for the nails to go > through. Stick the nails into the holes in the car and let the > piece of Masonite be dragged along the rails. Simple and effective > and almost free. If you're on a tight hobby budget like me, this > may be a project for you. > > The only thing I had to buy was a 2' x 4' sheet of Masonite for > $3.90 or something close to that at the Home Depot. That will make > many, many cleaners. Other supplies were a few roofing nails > (chosen for their large heads), some epoxy and self-stick Velcro. > These were on hand but would not add much cost if you had to buy > them. > > For my first try I used an AF 802 IC reefer. These can be found (or > replaced if I screw it up) for $10. I wouldn't do this with an ART > reefer. I cut a couple of Masonite strips about 1 7/8" wide, about > the width of my Gragraves ties. Then a piece of the strip was cut > long enough to fill the area between the 802's trucks without > interfering with their movement. In this case the length was about > 2 3/4". I marked the center and drilled a hole on either end of the > strip (lengthwise) for the nails. These holes were used to mark the > car floor where two matching holes were drilled for the nails. > > I used a 5/16" pinpoint bit to recess the holes on the shiny side > for the nail heads. On this piece the 'rough' side of the Masonite > will point up toward the car bottom. After checking that the nails > would fit through the holes and would sit flush I epoxied them to > the Masonite. > > While the epoxy cured, I cut several more 1 7/8 by 2 3/4 pieces, and > beveled the ends of the 'rough' side with a sanding drum on the > drill press. This side will ride along the rails. A strip of hook > tape was applied to the shiny side of one end and a strip of loop > tale was applied to the other end of each of these pieces which are > now cleaning pads. > > After the epoxy was cured a strip of hook and loop tape were applied > to either end of the top piece, over the nail heads. Then a pad can > be pressed to the top piece, the nails slid into the car bottom and > the whole thing placed on the track. When the pad is dirty, replace > it with one of the spares you made and when a pile of the spare gets > dirty they can all be sanded off and re-used. The sanding duat > would make great dirt if there were any scenery up there. > > My first couple of pads came up real dirty real fast but now into > the third set they are lasting a bit longer. And the track is shiny > clean. Best of all, I only have to get up on the stool to watch the > trains closer, not to clean the tracks. > > My second cleaner is a mail pickup car, installed on the 'empty' > side. To keep it on the empty side it was installed off-center. > That is.. close to the set of trucks on the empty side and ending a > little past the center of the car. That allowed for use of existing > holes in the car floor. A word of caution. If you have structures > close to the tracks, this off-center car becomes directional. The > cleaner must be at the front of the car. If run the other way, the > cleaner overhangs and may catch structures close to the track and > you may discover just how powerful your locomotive really is! > > No duct tape was used anywhere in this project. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1809 - Release Date: 11/24/2008 9:03 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52732	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

Pics are posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1069840229/pic/list > > Does anyone have a picture of one of these types of track cleaners. > I'm > > interested, but having a hard time visualizing. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -AJ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52733	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: Canoes

Anyone found a source of canoes at all close to 1:64 scale? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52734	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/18/2009
Subject: AF Mikado Problem

I have had my AF PRR Mikado about 1 and 1/2 years. It has many fine points, its appearance being among the best I think. However, although it ran fine at first, I now find the sound having problems. BTW, I run conventional mode with a transformer. Problem is that when I start giving it voltage, the rear tender light lites as it should indicating the searching, but never seems to stop. There is no sound. If I increase voltage I get a jerky start with no sound, then the sound kicks in all of a sudden at speed. Very unrealistic performance. Once you get it up and running, it continues to go ok and with the choo-choo sound. Any ideas? Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52735	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado Problem

This sounds like inconsistent voltage supply to the electronics. First is the track clean and are the wheels clean? Cranking up the voltage at the transformer is probably providing the potential difference necessary to bridge the gap created by crud. Next do you have a battery in it? The battery is especially important when wheel to track contact is not pristine. Particularly in conventional mode. In TMCC mode the battery is really unnecessary with the exception non-cab1 requested shutdown sounds. MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Mikado Problem I have had my AF PRR Mikado about 1 and 1/2 years. It has many fine points, its appearance being among the best I think. However, although it ran fine at first, I now find the sound having problems. BTW, I run conventional mode with a transformer. Problem is that when I start giving it voltage, the rear tender light lites as it should indicating the searching, but never seems to stop. There is no sound. If I increase voltage I get a jerky start with no sound, then the sound kicks in all of a sudden at speed. Very unrealistic performance. Once you get it up and running, it continues to go ok and with the choo-choo sound. Any ideas? Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52736	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: 0-8-0 conversion drivers

All, I know of someone that is looking for scale conversion drivers for the American Flyer 0-8-0. If it matters I don't know what number. I equally don't know if a kit has been made for this loco. I just know that there are old time scale conversion kits and drivers made for some AF locomotives. A drop is set of drivers in preferred. Please replay directly if you have a set for sale. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52737	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger Track Cleaners

Good job on the photos, Tim! That is just what the Draggers should look like in every scale. The exception is that most don't have the removable cleaning pad, just the Masonite/hardboard part. The Dragger is a "maintenance" tool to be placed in random trains to keep rails clean. The old Flyer Track Cleaning Car with the wet pads is for built up oily stuff more common when over lubricated trains and dust messed up the track. And the Sns Track Cleaners will take on even heavier build up. Each is designed for their particular uses and do a good job. Having tried both, adding ballpoint pen springs or weights to the pad seem unnecessary in my experiance. In the cases of HO and smaller Draggers, springs tended to derail the car and weights overloaded the locomotive. Perhaps a rule of thumb might be that if an unsprung, unweighted Dragger isn't doing the job, it's time to move to the next level of cleaning. I tried making a Dragger out of 3M pads, but they tend to catch rail joints and switch points so are better suited to the SnS style spinning cleaner or hand cleaning of track. Lately, Masonite with the grid side is getting somewhat hard to come by, but I have found that sheets of pegboard is still common with the grid side on the back. The Dragger is one of those cheap, useful items which has been around for years but much overlooked. Maybe in tough economic times this is the sort of thing we need to reconsider. Stumpy Stone...cheap old dude in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52738	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger track cleaners

Great! Many thanks!! On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: > Pics are posted at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1069840229/pic/list > > > > > Does anyone have a picture of one of these types of track > cleaners. > > I'm > > > interested, but having a hard time visualizing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > -AJ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52739	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Lionel Legacy vs. TMCC for AF

I just recently incorporated TMCC on my AF layout using a PowerMaster and TMCC Command Base along with the CAB-1 remote. I really like it!!! It works reliably with my TMCC Mikado as well as my conventional locomotives, both Flyonel and post war. The speed control is amazing compared to a 30B transformer. I sometimes go over to the O gauge Railroading Forum and read their posts on the Control Forum (Legacy and TMCC). There are several posts on the forum regarding Legacy and its problems. Apparently getting the signal to the locos is a problem with it (elaborate ground planes are needed and so forth), as well as when you upgrade to V 1.2 of Legacy from V1.0, the range for the Legacy CAB-2 remote decreases dramatically. Then there's the famous "Base Not Found" error. To me, it doesnt sound like Lionel has all the "bugs" out of it. Since the AF Big Boy is supposedly coming out with Legacy features (I think May 09 is now the delivery date), it will be interesting to see what problems with Legacy are reported in this forum once Legacy begins to show up on AF layouts (if it does at all). Right now, I cant think of a single reason to upgrade to it unless more headaches are needed. Why trade problems for "whistle quilling" capability on a locomotive none of us can get?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52740	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Dragger Track Cleaners

I actually made a dragger from a junk flatcar with 1 wheelset, I put another wheelset on it and since i didnt have a mathing one and i was suffering from extremely dirty track i decided to make one, I made a brass y shaped piece and attached it to the truck i had put on and jb welded some small strips of brass and than soldered the rest of the y part with alligator clips over each rail, I put either a cloth cut to the size of the rail folded a bumch of times or i put a piece of 1500 grit sandpaper under the towel so it touches the rails and that give it a nice shine. I will have to get a picture but its nothing complicated :-D -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52741	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Canoes

There is a Dimestore Dreams Car thar has a canoe on it the you can remove. I think it is 1/43. Scott --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Canoes To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 8:14 PM Anyone found a source of canoes at all close to 1:64 scale? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com <file:///C:\Documents%20and% 20Settings\ Doug.PORTLINES\ Application% 20Data \Microsoft\Signatur es\www.sgaugetra ins.com> www.flyerparts. com <file:///C:\Documents%20and% 20Settings\ Doug.PORTLINES\ Application% 20Data \Microsoft\Signatur es\www.flyerpart s.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52742	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Legacy vs. TMCC for AF

I switched to Legacy with a 990 and 993 when it first came out and have done the updates through the latest - - v 1.2. I like it so much that I removed TMCC from my layout (TMCC and Legacy can coexist) and I sold one of my TMCC Command Base and Cab1 sets. I saved one TMMC set for workshop bench testing and train club show running. Generally though I wouldn't recommend Legacy yet. Not for everyone. Has some early production shortcomings and glitches, but I believe it too will eventually permeate our maSses. Look how many now are thrilled with their first Mike or TMCC set. It can take awhile. Mikes have been out for years and TMCC since 1995. (Be careful though, I've heard they both have electronics in them.) I like Legacy even so far without S gauge Legacy engines for the light up LED display on the CAB2, touch pad icon control pad (no overlays), sticky button toggling, engine and lashup number, name, and operating mode info stored in memory, very smooth throttle control, standard rail speed increments (although not as effective as when used with a Legacy engine, still fun), one button record and playback, and now with SC-2's installed running everything by wireless remote control - - track power level, engines, accessories, uncouplers, lights, switches, etc. Pretty cool if you're into that sort of thing - - yet. But no matter if you run your trains with a satellite link to your PC or just push 'em around. The main thing is to enjoy trains your way.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52743	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed

Hi All, I have a Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff 36 foot S scale Pabst reefer kit. It looks like all of the parts are there with most still in the plastic sleeves. The bad news is there are no instructions. Does anyone have the instructions? If so could you scan them and email them to me or post them to the group? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52744	From: preardon4girls	Date: 2/19/2009
Subject: Seattle

Hi All, I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest grand daughter. (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from 3/04 thru 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, stores, or shows that I should see while I'm in that area? And Thanks, Pat, In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52745	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: AF Mikado Problem

Thanks Mark, and also Don Thompson for your replies. Mark you reminded me that this thing had a battery in it. I checked the battery - it was 8.2 volts. A new 9+ volt battery solved the problem! Don, your point is also well taken. Thanks guys. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > This sounds like inconsistent voltage supply to the electronics. > > First is the track clean and are the wheels clean? Cranking up the > voltage at the transformer is probably providing the potential > difference necessary to bridge the gap created by crud. > > Next do you have a battery in it? The battery is especially important > when wheel to track contact is not pristine. Particularly in > conventional mode. In TMCC mode the battery is really unnecessary with > the exception non-cab1 requested shutdown sounds. > > MK > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Al Baker > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:06 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Mikado Problem > > I have had my AF PRR Mikado about 1 and 1/2 years. It has many fine > points, its appearance being among the best I think. However, although > it ran fine at first, I now find the sound having problems. BTW, I run > conventional mode with a transformer. > > Problem is that when I start giving it voltage, the rear tender light > lites as it should indicating the searching, but never seems to stop. > There is no sound. If I increase voltage I get a jerky start with no > sound, then the sound kicks in all of a sudden at speed. Very > unrealistic performance. Once you get it up and running, it continues > to go ok and with the choo-choo sound. > > Any ideas? > > Al Baker > Portland, OR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52746	From: lember2004	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle

The Electric Train Shop in West Seattle (206-938-2400) always has a display case filled with Gilbert American Flyer for sale. The store is open Tues-Sat, 11-6. The owner, Scott Low, is very helpful and knowledgeable. Enjoy your trip! Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest grand daughter. > (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from 3/04 thru > 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, stores, or shows > that I should see while I'm in that area? > And Thanks, > Pat, > In Maine >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52747	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed

Check their web site; you may be able to get one directly from them: www:yeoldhuffnpuff.com paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed Hi All, I have a Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff 36 foot S scale Pabst reefer kit. It looks like all of the parts are there with most still in the plastic sleeves. The bad news is there are no instructions. Does anyone have the instructions? If so could you scan them and email them to me or post them to the group? Thanks, BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52748	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed

Hi, That web address is www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com (e missing from old in original post) Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> wrote: > > Check their web site; you may be able to get one directly from them: > > www:yeoldhuffnpuff.com > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:18 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed > > > Hi All, > > I have a Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff 36 foot S scale Pabst reefer kit. It > looks like all of the parts are there with most still in the plastic > sleeves. The bad news is there are no instructions. Does anyone have > the instructions? If so could you scan them and email them to me or > post them to the group? > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52749	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction

It's www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com; left out the "e". paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: The LANIERs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed Check their web site; you may be able to get one directly from them: www:yeoldhuffnpuff.com paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed Hi All, I have a Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff 36 foot S scale Pabst reefer kit. It looks like all of the parts are there with most still in the plastic sleeves. The bad news is there are no instructions. Does anyone have the instructions? If so could you scan them and email them to me or post them to the group? Thanks, BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52750	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction

Thanks to everyone who forwarded the website. I assumed they were no longer in business. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> wrote: > > It's www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com; left out the "e". > > paflyrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The LANIERs > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:59 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed > > > Check their web site; you may be able to get one directly from them: > > www:yeoldhuffnpuff.com > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:18 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed > > Hi All, > > I have a Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff 36 foot S scale Pabst reefer kit. It > looks like all of the parts are there with most still in the plastic > sleeves. The bad news is there are no instructions. Does anyone have > the instructions? If so could you scan them and email them to me or > post them to the group? > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52751	From: runtro66	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: light bulbs

Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so they come out looking like the originals? Thanks Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52752	From: William Porter	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs

Hi Dave, I have not found any secret, but I do have a technique that works. I dip the bulb in some 'stained glass' paint I found at Michael's. Two coats does the job for me. I use tweezers with a base (third-hand I think) to hold them by the base as they dry. I also blot the excess drop off from the bottom side after just a few minutes to prevent a blob. The brand name is "Delta Air-Dry PermEnamel Transparent Glass Paint". Once it dries for a day, the color is good and it seems to be lasting. Won't know for sure for a few years. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of runtro66 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:01 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] light bulbs Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so they come out looking like the originals? Thanks Dave _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52753	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Need 0-8-0 parts

I would like to buy an original 0-8-0 steam chest and front piece with railing. Also need an original boiler front. I have some S gauge parts I'd trade. I would also like to find some 1" brass AF prewar handrails. thanks, Bill Lyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52754	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "runtro66" <runtro66@...> wrote: > > Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so > they come out looking like the originals? > Thanks > Dave > Read an article years ago about dissolving red or green celluloid in acetone and making a dip. Think you can still get acetone at the drug store and it can also be used as plastic cement. Guitar picks are still made of celluloid and come in many colors.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52755	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "runtro66" <runtro66@...> wrote: > > Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so > they come out looking like the originals? > Thanks > Dave > Years ago I read about a tip in dissolving celluloid in acetone and making a dip. You can buy acetone at the drug store and guitar picks are made of celluloid and come in many colors.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52756	From: John	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction

Bull I just checked them this morning and they are still there John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction > Thanks to everyone who forwarded the website. I assumed they were > no longer in business. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> wrote: >> >> It's www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com; left out the "e". >> >> paflyrman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: The LANIERs >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed >> >> >> Check their web site; you may be able to get one directly from > them: >> >> www:yeoldhuffnpuff.com >> >> paflyrman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bull_Gator_1 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:18 PM >> Subject: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have a Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff 36 foot S scale Pabst reefer kit. > It >> looks like all of the parts are there with most still in the > plastic >> sleeves. The bad news is there are no instructions. Does anyone > have >> the instructions? If so could you scan them and email them to me > or >> post them to the group? >> >> Thanks, >> >> BG1 >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52757	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs

hi. i have dipped them in regular red or green paint then allowed them to dry, they come out looking just like the origional. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:52:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Re: light bulbs --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "runtro66" <runtro66@...> wrote: > > Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so > they come out looking like the originals? > Thanks > Dave > Years ago I read about a tip in dissolving celluloid in acetone and making a dip. You can buy acetone at the drug store and guitar picks are made of celluloid and come in many colors. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52758	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction

John, They are still in business. I emailed them this morning asking about how to get the instruction sheets. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Bull > > I just checked them this morning and they are still there > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:57 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed - Correction > > > > Thanks to everyone who forwarded the website. I assumed they were > > no longer in business. > > > > BG1 > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The LANIERs" <hblanier@> wrote: > >> > >> It's www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com; left out the "e". > >> > >> paflyrman > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: The LANIERs > >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:59 AM > >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed > >> > >> > >> Check their web site; you may be able to get one directly from > > them: > >> > >> www:yeoldhuffnpuff.com > >> > >> paflyrman > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Bull_Gator_1 > >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:18 PM > >> Subject: [S-Trains] Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff Help Needed > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I have a Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff 36 foot S scale Pabst reefer kit. > > It > >> looks like all of the parts are there with most still in the > > plastic > >> sleeves. The bad news is there are no instructions. Does anyone > > have > >> the instructions? If so could you scan them and email them to me > > or > >> post them to the group? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> BG1 > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52759	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Need 0-8-0 parts

Bill, the parts you need are all availible on the Portlines Hobby Supply website. I get parts from them and Fred's Train Parts for my "reconstructions" of old Flyer. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52760	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs

Model Power has some I use.  They are good. at least I think so.   Mike  gets them at Tom Thumb in Evanston, IL --- On Fri, 2/20/09, lglumac@... <lglumac@...> wrote: From: lglumac@... <lglumac@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: light bulbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 1:35 PM hi. i have dipped them in regular red or green paint then allowed them to dry, they come out looking just like the origional. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:52:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Re: light bulbs --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com , "runtro66" <runtro66@.. .> wrote: > > Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so > they come out looking like the originals? > Thanks > Dave > Years ago I read about a tip in dissolving celluloid in acetone and making a dip. You can buy acetone at the drug store and guitar picks are made of celluloid and come in many colors. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52761	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs

I was told finger nail polish worked o.k. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: light bulbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:52 AM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "runtro66" <runtro66@.. .> wrote: > > Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so > they come out looking like the originals? > Thanks > Dave > Years ago I read about a tip in dissolving celluloid in acetone and making a dip. You can buy acetone at the drug store and guitar picks are made of celluloid and come in many colors. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52762	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: light bulbs

I was told two different things:   1]  finger nail polish works fairley  well.  as it is an acriliac.  ck spell   2]  Model Power  has red and green 1449 and 1447  and 432  in both screw and bayonette base.  Model Power is mainly H0 so try a regular hobby store. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, runtro66 <runtro66@...> wrote: From: runtro66 <runtro66@...> Subject: [S-Trains] light bulbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 8:01 AM Has anyone found the secret to painting red & green light bulbs so they come out looking like the originals? Thanks Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Light Towers

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/90477030/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc I have four baseball light towers up. Pictures showing them, as I have four more to go. The lamp shades are AF Smoke Fluid funnels. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52764	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Light Towers

Good ...Now bend the lights down at diff angles to light up the field ...not straight out into space... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/90477030/view? picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc > > I have four baseball light towers up. > > Pictures showing them, as I have four more to go. > > The lamp shades are AF Smoke Fluid funnels. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52765	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Smoke Fluid Funnel Spoof

Story, made up, that someone did for me, about the AF Smoke Fluid Funnels. Williamsport, Indiana (Wall Street Journal) - A toy train enthusiast paid $350,000 last week for a miniature aluminum funnel. Greg Stout, of Stout Auctions Inc., claimed the sale set an international record as the largest amount ever paid for a toy train accessory. The funnel was manufactured by the A. C. Gilbert Company of New Haven, Connecticut. Gilbert introduced smoking locomotives to its S gauge American Flyer line of electric trains in 1946. That same year, Lionel Corporation began marketing smoking locomotives in O gauge. Lionel operators simply dropped a white pill into the smokestack; American Flyers used a pine-scented oil. Gilbert sold the funnels to make it easier to pour oil down the 1/64 scale locomotive's tiny smokestack. Market analysts are baffled at the sudden interest in funnels, especially since American Flyer went out of business 45 years ago. Used-train dealers, including Hobby Surplus Sales of Connecticut, kept large cartons of the funnels for years without significant sales. "We just kept them on the shelf, hoping they would be of some value to somebody someday". Gilbert funnels started moving surreptitiously in fall 2008 when M L Marmer, a Maryland man whose hobbies include model railroading and baseball, decided to include a ball park on his S scale railroad. Night time games are played under bright lights, provided by huge banks of 1000-watt bulbs mounted in reflectors on tall poles. Marmer simulated the lamps with miniature grain-of-wheat bulbs, but he wondered how to simulate their shiny reflector bowls. Opening a train set that he received for Christmas in 1958, he realized that the engine's smoke fluid funnel was shiny and bowl-shaped and roughly the right size for a reflector. He quietly purchased hundreds of the funnels and began assembling floodlight towers, which required ten lamps per pole. When Marmer circulated photos of his S scale ball park on the internet, the idea sparked an interest in hundreds of his fellow hobbyists, who all decided they must have ball parks too. The model railroaders-cum-baseball-managers even organized semiprofessional leagues, scheduling home and away games throughout the spring and summer months. Fans even go so far as to send their plastic miniature baseball players through the mails to "compete" with opponents in cities throughout the eastern United States. This is all the more remarkable because not all participants model to the same scale. Umpires had to be very careful recently when the O scale Blackstone Bears played the HO scale Germantown Guppies. Germantown's second-baseman was nearly decapitated when a Bear runner slid into him at 36 scale miles per hour. But the most remarkable result of this miniature-baseball craze is that Gilbert funnels, which each fan needs by the hundreds to equip a ballpark, are scarcer than hen's teeth, commanding extravagant prices when one or two of them manage to appear on eBay or in a Stout auction, which usually liquidates large train collections to settle estates. Next time you contemplate making a miniature lamp shade out of a fifty-cent funnel, just think about what happened to Marmer. His annual homeowners insurance premium has skyrocketed to $60,000 annually, after agents revalued "S Helper Field" on his "Dink and Kitty Railroad" at more than $35 million. That's 100 funnels at $350,000 apiece, plus about $5 for the imitation grass on the diamond beneath them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52766	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Light Towers

Thanks, I thought of that before, as I can re adjust. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward G. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Light Towers Good ...Now bend the lights down at diff angles to light up the field ...not straight out into space... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/90477030/view? picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc > > I have four baseball light towers up. > > Pictures showing them, as I have four more to go. > > The lamp shades are AF Smoke Fluid funnels. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52767	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid Funnel Spoof

Priceless! Thanks! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52768	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2009
Subject: 24566 Tractor & Trailer

S-TrainsList Members, I have obtained through an international source a number of new in the box current production items made from the orginial molds used in the 60's for the 24566 New Haven auto carrier. I have these in hand, and think anyone in need of this item for their 24566 will be well pleased with these new production items. These vary from the originals in the color of the tractor and trailer. They are dark blue plastic with painted silver trim.(See pics in "paflyrman" photo album). I believe they could be painted if you desire a more authentic look. They also now have diecast chassis and hard rubber tires on wheels, rather than one piece plastic wheels. They do not come with any vehicles. At this time I have 4 of these auto carriers that I am offering to the first 4 respondents for $65.00 each, priority mail postage paid (lower 48). If there is sufficient interest in these, I will obtain more. If you want one (one per customer) email me at hblanier@.... Do NOT respond to the list. I will ignore any "I want one" messages sent to the S-trains list. Time of message will be used to determine recipients if there are more requests than items available. Spoken for auto carriers will be held for 10 days; if payment is not received by that time the item will be offered to the # five, and then subsequent responders. Payment via money order or personal check. Sorry, I do not participate in Paypal, or any other electronic money tranfer system. Herb L. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52769	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle

Pat: Congratulations on your new grand daughter. I live around Phlly but business travel constantly with my job at Motorola. There's a good store in Kirkland WA called Eastside Trains. They are listed every month in the retail directory of CTT. Maybe 20 minutes north and east from downtown Seattle. I was there a few years ago and got two GP7s, the AF version with link bars, and the T&P powered unit for $60.00 apiece. They were dirty but cleaned up well and ran. The best thing about buying flyer on the road is it comes home in my luggage so my wife never knows I bought more trains, as opposed buying from ebay and a box shows up at the door! Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...>: -------------- Hi All, I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest grand daughter. (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from 3/04 thru 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, stores, or shows that I should see while I'm in that area? And Thanks, Pat, In Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52770	From: Russ Sanford	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle

I would recommend a visit to Eastside Trains, 217 Central Way in nearby Kirkland, WA. Phone is 425-828-4098. They are predominately Lionel & MTH O-gauge but have always had an excellent selection of used American Flyer trains. They have the best service department I have ever done business with. If you purchase anything while you are there, your out-of-state driver's license will avoid any sales tax. Nice people. Take a raincoat with you !! Russ Sanford Redmond, OR 541-504-9099 ----- Original Message ----- From: preardon4girls To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Seattle Hi All, I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest grand daughter. (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from 3/04 thru 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, stores, or shows that I should see while I'm in that area? And Thanks, Pat, In Maine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1964 - Release Date: 02/21/09 11:05:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 203 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52771	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle

Bob, when I was married I would make a mad dash up to the train room to drop the new train in the mix of the rest of them. The wife would be in faster then a speeding bullet after me to see what I had picked up at a show or store. She could never tell what was new, and or what was old. She didn't care for my hobby that much. I do like how you handel it at your home! Nice.... ;) Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 2/21/09, romoyer@... <romoyer@...> wrote: > From: romoyer@... <romoyer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seattle > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:49 AM > Pat: > Congratulations on your new grand daughter. I live around > Phlly but business travel constantly with my job at > Motorola. There's a good store in Kirkland WA called > Eastside Trains. They are listed every month in the retail > directory of CTT. Maybe 20 minutes north and east from > downtown Seattle. I was there a few years ago and got two > GP7s, the AF version with link bars, and the T&P powered > unit for $60.00 apiece. They were dirty but cleaned up well > and ran. The best thing about buying flyer on the road is it > comes home in my luggage so my wife never knows I bought > more trains, as opposed buying from ebay and a box shows up > at the door! > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > -------------- Original message from > "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...>: > -------------- > > Hi All, > > I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest > grand daughter. > (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from > 3/04 thru > 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, > stores, or shows > that I should see while I'm in that area? > And Thanks, > Pat, > In Maine > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52772	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Lights lighted!!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/446506611/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=181&count=20&dir=asc I hooked up the four baseball lights and it is perfect. Now to work on the other four. Someone on the S List said to have them pointed down, as I thought of that. No, this is perfect. The reason I did not have them pointed down, is at real ball parks they are not pointed down. Otherwise, the light would be in the eyes of the players. And the effect on our eyes looking at this, is fine. I go to allot of baseball games every year, every weekend, whether Nationals, Frederick Keys or the Hagerstown Suns, minor leagues, and I included two pictures of light towers at Hagerstown. The lights are pointed straight out, like the Gabe the Lamplighter. This is perfect the way it is. Some pictures are with flash and some without. Finally on the third try with the plastic tubes, getting the right tower size, success. Tickets are on sale on March the 3rd. You may add 59.95 to the ticket price for concessions from the AF Whistle Stop concession stand. Also, Don Thompson mentioned that I might add some weathered fencing between the park boundary and the rail road tracks. And add some weathered signs on the outside fence for the trains passing by and ad some Precision HO kids looking in through pep holes. Great idea, but the ball player rather have the opportunity in making death defying catches near the RR tracks with a train coming at 80 MPH, so that they can make it on Sports Center on ESPN and maybe get a contract with the Nationals or Pirates. No, the fence is a good idea. We are waiting for Shoeless Joe to appear out of the wooden fence. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52773	From: seg60133	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: No AF in 2009 Lionel catalog?

I just looked at the new 2009 Lionel catalog and found no AF. It's in a new format. Did I miss something? http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/LionelRTR_09v1/index.cfm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52774	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: No AF in 2009 Lionel catalog?

The MAIN catalog , which will include AF, shuld be released next week, and will be on-line at the lionel website then. We will have our advanced-order pricing available soon thereafter. Doug Peck www.portlines.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@...> wrote: > > I just looked at the new 2009 Lionel catalog and found no AF. It's in > a new format. Did I miss something? > > http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/LionelRTR_09v1/index.cfm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52775	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle

I was told a few days ago that Eastside trains is closing it's doors. I hope it isn't true; Steve Boise In a message dated 02/21/2009 12:44:53 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, honkelrs@... writes: I would recommend a visit to Eastside Trains, 217 Central Way in nearby Kirkland, WA. Phone is 425-828-4098. They are predominately Lionel & MTH O-gauge but have always had an excellent selection of used American Flyer trains. They have the best service department I have ever done business with. If you purchase anything while you are there, your out-of-state driver's license will avoid any sales tax. Nice people. Take a raincoat with you !! Russ Sanford Redmond, OR 541-504-9099 ----- Original Message ----- From: preardon4girls To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Seattle Hi All, I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest grand daughter. (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from 3/04 thru 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, stores, or shows that I should see while I'm in that area? And Thanks, Pat, In Maine ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1964 - Release Date: 02/21/09 11:05:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 203 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: _http://www.spamfighhttp://www._ (http://www.spamfighter.com/len) The Professional version does not have this message [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52776	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: No AF in 2009 Lionel catalog?

There is a second catalog coming out the first week in March. If there is any Flyer issued this year, that is where it will be. The current catalog is mostly RTR sets. Roy Inman on 2/21/09 10:57 AM, seg60133 at seg50@... wrote: > > > > I just looked at the new 2009 Lionel catalog and found no AF. It's in > a new format. Did I miss something? > > http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/LionelRTR_09v1/index.cfm > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/22/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 22, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52778	From: Eric R.	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle

If I see Steve (Steve Suskin-Eastside's owner) at TCA tomorrow, I will ask him about the Rumor. I would be really surprised if what you say is the case. Eric Kenmore, Wa. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seattle I was told a few days ago that Eastside trains is closing it's doors. I hope it isn't true; Steve Boise In a message dated 02/21/2009 12:44:53 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, honkelrs@... <mailto:honkelrs%40communitybroadband.com> writes: I would recommend a visit to Eastside Trains, 217 Central Way in nearby Kirkland, WA. Phone is 425-828-4098. They are predominately Lionel & MTH O-gauge but have always had an excellent selection of used American Flyer trains. They have the best service department I have ever done business with. If you purchase anything while you are there, your out-of-state driver's license will avoid any sales tax. Nice people. Take a raincoat with you !! Russ Sanford Redmond, OR 541-504-9099 ----- Original Message ----- From: preardon4girls To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Seattle Hi All, I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest grand daughter. (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from 3/04 thru 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, stores, or shows that I should see while I'm in that area? And Thanks, Pat, In Maine ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1964 - Release Date: 02/21/09 11:05:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 203 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: _http://www.spamfighhttp://www._ <http://www.spamfighhttp:/www._> (http://www.spamfighter.com/len) The Professional version does not have this message [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52779	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: transformer questions

I am trying to figure out if I am using too much or too little power on some things, so I will throw out some questions. The first one is about dual transformers. 12B is a 250 watt transformer. Is that 125 watts for each separate outpost? As I have a 30 B also, which I believe is 300 watts, so 150 watts per out post? Thanks for any answers. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52780	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: FBI Bulletin (Spoof)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1660014534/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc The below Spoof written by my O Gauge friend, Dr. Joseph Lechner of Mount Vernon, Ohio, wrote a spoof to go with the above picture. O gaugers are a bit weird. No, he is a good friend. O:)! Mike Dingburg, MD - Maryland field office of Federal Bureau of Investigation issued an all points bulletin for a serial terrorist that is being colloquially referred to as the Telebomber in rural Chesapeake Bay counties. "This guy could potentially be as big a national security threat as the Unabomber", said field agents after surveying a crime scene near Dingburg. Telebomber sets small charges of C4 inside telephone booths and then detonates them using a citizens-band radio in his vehicle. In an era when most terrorist explosions are triggered using cell phones, which are much simpler and cheaper, Telebomber apparently prefers CB because he is fixated on 1950s technology. Indeed, his choice of targets is interesting since the folding-door glass-and-steel public telephone booth is itself a relic of the 1950s. Preservationists of Americana fear that the telephone booth may disappear completely since very few examples remain in the eastern USA. Sgt. Karl Marx of the Dingburg police department pointed out that the law-abiding Telebomber may be committing his crimes using a CB radio because the use of cell phones has been banned in Dingburg. Marx added that, fortunately, none of the phone booths so far has been occupied at the time of the explosion.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52781	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Workin on the Railroad TV Series

Hi All, DIY is running the Workin on the Railroad series again. It runs every Sunday morning at 4:30AM EST on DIY Network. I was crusing the TV guide and found it a few minutes ago. The next episode is weathering your model railroad. I've got the DVR set so I can watch it when I get up tomorrow morning (I like my hobby but I'm not staying up that late to see the show - lol). BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52782	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/21/2009
Subject: Behind the Right Field Wall

http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 This will be behind the right field wall! Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52783	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Seattle

I sure hope not. A guy in Spokane told me..... Steve In a message dated 02/21/2009 7:03:34 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, northline@... writes: If I see Steve (Steve Suskin-Eastside'If I see Steve (Steve Suskin-Eastside'<W him about the Rumor. I would be really surprised if what you say is the case. Eric Kenmore, Wa. From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:32 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seattle I was told a few days ago that Eastside trains is closing it's doors. I hope it isn't true; Steve Boise In a message dated 02/21/2009 12:44:53 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, _honkelrs@communitybhonkelrs@hon_ (mailto:honkelrs@...) <mailto:honkelrs%mailto:honkelrs%mailto:h> writes: I would recommend a visit to Eastside Trains, 217 Central Way in nearby Kirkland, WA. Phone is 425-828-4098. They are predominately Lionel & MTH O-gauge but have always had an excellent selection of used American Flyer trains. They have the best service department I have ever done business with. If you purchase anything while you are there, your out-of-state driver's license will avoid any sales tax. Nice people. Take a raincoat with you !! Russ Sanford Redmond, OR 541-504-9099 ----- Original Message ----- From: preardon4girls To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Trains@ya_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> ) Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Seattle Hi All, I've scheduled a trip to Seattle to visit my newest grand daughter. (and her Mom & Dad). I plan on being out that way from 3/04 thru 3/10. Does anyone know of any S scale or AF layouts, stores, or shows that I should see while I'm in that area? And Thanks, Pat, In Maine ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1964 - Release Date: 02/21/09 11:05:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 203 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: __http://www.spamfighhttp://www.h_ (http://www.spamfighhttp//www._) <_http://www.spamfighhttp://wwwh_ (http://www.spamfighhttp/www._) > (_http://www.spamfighhttp://www._ (http://www.spamfighter.com/len) ) The Professional version does not have this message [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**You can't always choose whom you love, but yo to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (_http://personals.http://pehttp://personalshttp://pe_ (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52784	From: Glenn	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall

"O" Scale corn stalks would be as high as an elephants eye. We're not in Kansas anymore Toto we're in Oklahoma. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Jeff Snell ; Jeanette Ryba ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 21:45 Subject: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 This will be behind the right field wall! Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52785	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!

Dad approached me the other week to see if I could put together a starter set for my nephew, Jonathan, who was born and lives in Mexico and told my sister he would like a train around the tree this Christmas! I was initially not going to send an American Flyer...because of their maintenance and upkeep and lack of parts availability in Mexico. I got together a gauge 1 Marklin set with the help of a friend, but the touchy electronics made me nervous to send it so far away. I turned to the underside of my layout table shelving, and remembered a 300 AC AF loco and several low-end freight cars that I had available. It is all serviceable, so that it what he is getting! An American Flyer starter set! I changed the cord on the transformer, cleaned all the track, serviced the locomotive (a good choice to send down due to simplicity of the mechanism...no smoke unit or chugger...just a motor and some wheels!), cleaned the cars and lubed their wheels, and other odds and ends. I needed to add a drawbar to the tender since it did not have one, so I bought parts from Fred Jester in Allentown yesterday. I forgot to buy wire ends to plug into the locomotive from the tender's new wiring, so I substituted some copper wire that I had in the drawer...the exact fit! I am sending along copies of service manuals and instructions for the manual switches, track locks, manual uncoupler, and a blow-up of and exploded diagram of the locomotive's parts. I tested the train last night after a friend helped me replace some link couplers and rivet the drawbar on the tender...everything worked great!! I think Jonathan will be a very happy little boy with his AF starter set...and Dad and I are looking forward to adding to his set as the years go by!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52786	From: John	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises - Please read

John Frankforther and Company Enterprises ( JF&C Enterprises) is a group of investors interested in the coal, oil and lumber futures of the US. Arrangements are being made to start the design work for the layout operations in the scale of S utilizing new and used motive power and rolling stock purchased from previous investors. Operations will be modeled in the North Eastern part of the US that is rich in coal deposits and timber. The investors of this company are asking for your thoughts and experiences of initially designing single and multi deck layouts. They are currently visiting the LDSIG for information on layout design specs. So much information has been gathered that the board members are having a difficult time deciding where to start. The area of operation has been prepared and is known to be 24' X 20'. Industries in the area of operation will include a coal mine, small lumber mill and a few miscellaneous industries scattered throughout the area. Any incite as to how you designed your current layout and how you got past the "layout block" ( similar to writers block) would help the board members bring this railroad into being and finally in to the construction and operation. Thank you for any and all information you can provide. (I'm stuck!!) Director of operations John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52787	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises - Please read

and he notes - Not much coal (if any) here in the Northeast, plenty of lumber though. You might want to locate your enterprise in one of the Appalachian states i. e. West Virginia for soft coal or the Southern Tier area of New York or Northeast Pennsylvania where Anthracite is found. Raleigh in waitin' for the snow Maine... At 08:52 AM 2/22/2009, John wrote: >John Frankforther and Company Enterprises ( JF&C Enterprises) is a >group of investors interested in the coal, oil and lumber futures of >the US. Arrangements are being made to start the design work for the >layout operations in the scale of S utilizing new and used motive >power and rolling stock purchased from previous investors. >Operations will be modeled in the North Eastern part of the US that >is rich in coal deposits and timber. > >The investors of this company are asking for your thoughts and >experiences of initially designing single and multi deck layouts. >They are currently visiting the LDSIG for information on layout >design specs. So much information has been gathered that the board >members are having a difficult time deciding where to start. The >area of operation has been prepared and is known to be 24' X 20'. >Industries in the area of operation will include a coal mine, small >lumber mill and a few miscellaneous industries scattered throughout the area. > >Any incite as to how you designed your current layout and how you >got past the "layout block" ( similar to writers block) would help >the board members bring this railroad into being and finally in to >the construction and operation. > >Thank you for any and all information you can provide. > >(I'm stuck!!) > >Director of operations > >John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52788	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: light bulbs

Color for light bulbs. Several years ago I purchased several colors in spray cans of ( hot fuel proof airplane dope ). Clean the bulbs with a good cleaner. mount the bulbs in a cardboard sheet with holes to hold the bulbs and spray the color you want. Works for years. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Find credit card services here. Complete financial solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFGJsR2uhRec9RvELsD9Tjl7oioIWghGnft6ypSI63QzlxwpEeAHc/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52789	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!

I am sure that Jonathan will be happy you gave him AF as Marklin went bankrupt last week in Germany. After 150 years and with 165 million dollars in annual sales, they could not find a bank to give them a loan to continue operations. This company is 2X bigger than Lionel. Best, Don http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%c3%a4rklin On Feb 22, 2009, at 8:40 AM, bstilesaf wrote: > .... I got together a gauge 1 Marklin set with the help of a friend, > but the > touchy electronics made me nervous to send it so far away. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52790	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall

Dear Mike, If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. LOL, Don On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52791	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Al Klingensmith

Hello Everyone, Sad news to report. Al Klingensmith passed away Tuesday, Feb. 17th at the young age of 64 after a courageous fight with cancer. His obituary is in today's Pittsburgh Post Gazette. The funeral was yesterday. Al was a wonderful person and a long time Flyer collector. He will be deeply missed. Please pass the word along. I know people will be saddened to hear that the Flyer community has lost another one of it's most helpful, cheerful, knowledgeable members. **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52792	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises - Please read

Hi John,   Good luck on the start of the new business.   ========= John Frankforther and Company Enterprises ( JF&C Enterprises) is a group of investors interested in the coal, oil and lumber futures of the US. Arrangements are being made to start the design work for the layout operations in the scale of S utilizing new and used motive power and rolling stock purchased from previous investors. Operations will be modeled in the North Eastern part of the US that is rich in coal deposits and timber. =========   Coal and lumber are excellent sources for a business base. Just be careful not to drop either on your toes unless properly processed. The NorthEast is also a great place to start. Making trees will become a life's work unto itself. I have used the Polyfiber Puff-ball tree seeds on my layout and they grow well in basement areas. ========= The investors of this company are asking for your thoughts and experiences of initially designing single and multi deck layouts. They are currently visiting the LDSIG for information on layout design specs. So much information has been gathered that the board members are having a difficult time deciding where to start. The area of operation has been prepared and is known to be 24' X 20'. Industries in the area of operation will include a coal mine, small lumber mill and a few miscellaneous industries scattered throughout the area. =========   If you have contacted the LDSIG for help, that is a step in the right direction if you intend to hold realistic operating sessions. Based on the focus of your layout's purpose, they can really point you in the right direction. ========== Any incite as to how you designed your current layout and how you got past the "layout block" ( similar to writers block) would help the board members bring this railroad into being and finally in to the construction and operation. ==========   As a short ore-hauler, the Cornwall Railroad provided an atainable goal for completion. It also had connections to other railroads in three locations along it's mainline. I started out by researching traffic patterns and equipment used by the railroad. I looked at maps that showed the right-of-way and where connections were located. I lived in Lebanon, Pa. while the railroad was still operating but by the time I was old enough to appreciate it, most of the operations had ceased and in a few years after I returned from the service, the railroad was gone.   I started out by layout out a linear, point-to-point diagram of the railroad even though my layout provided a loop for continuous operation. I avoided the "spaghetti-bowl" trackplan and tried to keep enough room for scenery among the trackwork. Cramming track in every inch of space will soon become boring when the layout looks like a rail yard instead of trains running through the countryside. An around-the-wallls layout provides more opportunity for a train to go through a scene only once in it's run than an island-style if you choose that type of design. Narrow shelves can really provide a lot of chances to vary scenery techniques plus you can reach everything without crawling on top of the layout. I had originally designed a multi-deck layout for the layout under construction now, but after figuring out material costs, lighting problems, wiring, and the required distances for grades to the second level that would not require a rack-railroad, I stepped back and cut back to a single-deck design.   Plan industries and sidings in the beginning, not as an after-thought. Try creating a scale drawing with a usable grid like 1"= 1' It will make laying track a lot easier. What looks good in your head, may not fit on plywood. Measure structures you plan to use and check clearances for siding placement.   Think if how you want traffic to flow and provide passing sidings long enough for two normal-sized trains to pass at a couple of locations.   This is your world. One of the few things in life you can control (almost). Make it to satisfy what YOU want and best of all, share it with your friends as often as you can.   One last thought. I chose a program called CadRail to design my layout. Having an accurate measurement for track placement plus the ability to design structures as papre mockups has helped a great deal. I understand that this is not for everyone but the ability to change something before a piece of wood is cut is a grerat money-saver.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52793	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall

Don, That is exactly what I was going to write back to Glenn. I am not being that strict about something being in scale if it works, as my roadway is O scale. And yes, Hugo and Che use the best in imported dung for the crops, so that Joe fo Oil will also be Joe for Corn. Basically, the corn field is to give the ball park a Field of Dream feel to it. I have no problems with the corn being a little higher, as who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall Dear Mike, If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. LOL, Don On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52794	From: William Porter	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Mark Premen ???

Hi Folks, I just heard a disturbing rumor from a man attending a train show in Allentown. Does anyone on the list have any information about Mark Premen? Mark is the former owner of AmericanFlyerTrains.com, a 'frenetic' supporter of our hobby and used to sponsor our list. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52795	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall

Not to sound sexist, but that's one mighty woman farmer Costner's got hisself!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 2/21/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 9:45 PM http://www.scenerye xpress.com/ prodinfo. asp?number= FC3974 This will be behind the right field wall! Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52796	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!

Wait a few years. The Chineese will be outsourcing all their jobs to Mexico and then you won't have to worry about parts. Ofcourse, none of them will fit or hold up but what the hey, none do now either.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 2/22/09, bstilesaf <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: bstilesaf <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Starter set goes to Mexico! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 8:40 AM Dad approached me the other week to see if I could put together a starter set for my nephew, Jonathan, who was born and lives in Mexico and told my sister he would like a train around the tree this Christmas! I was initially not going to send an American Flyer...because of their maintenance and upkeep and lack of parts availability in Mexico. I got together a gauge 1 Marklin set with the help of a friend, but the touchy electronics made me nervous to send it so far away. I turned to the underside of my layout table shelving, and remembered a 300 AC AF loco and several low-end freight cars that I had available. It is all serviceable, so that it what he is getting! An American Flyer starter set! I changed the cord on the transformer, cleaned all the track, serviced the locomotive (a good choice to send down due to simplicity of the mechanism... no smoke unit or chugger...just a motor and some wheels!), cleaned the cars and lubed their wheels, and other odds and ends. I needed to add a drawbar to the tender since it did not have one, so I bought parts from Fred Jester in Allentown yesterday. I forgot to buy wire ends to plug into the locomotive from the tender's new wiring, so I substituted some copper wire that I had in the drawer...the exact fit! I am sending along copies of service manuals and instructions for the manual switches, track locks, manual uncoupler, and a blow-up of and exploded diagram of the locomotive's parts. I tested the train last night after a friend helped me replace some link couplers and rivet the drawbar on the tender...everything worked great!! I think Jonathan will be a very happy little boy with his AF starter set...and Dad and I are looking forward to adding to his set as the years go by! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52797	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Starter set goes to Mexico!

How sad!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Starter set goes to Mexico! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:14 AM I am sure that Jonathan will be happy you gave him AF as Marklin went bankrupt last week in Germany. After 150 years and with 165 million dollars in annual sales, they could not find a bank to give them a loan to continue operations. This company is 2X bigger than Lionel. Best, Don http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Märklin On Feb 22, 2009, at 8:40 AM, bstilesaf wrote: > .... I got together a gauge 1 Marklin set with the help of a friend, > but the > touchy electronics made me nervous to send it so far away. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52798	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Al Klingensmith

It is always a time of reflection when ever one of our kindred pass. One can hope that Mr. Klingensmith's family and friends may take comfort in knowing that he is no longer suffering the pain of this monstrous disease. May the knowledge and influence that he has shared over the years never be, along with the man, never be forgotten.   --- On Sun, 2/22/09, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Al Klingensmith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:10 PM Hello Everyone, Sad news to report. Al Klingensmith passed away Tuesday, Feb. 17th at the young age of 64 after a courageous fight with cancer. His obituary is in today's Pittsburgh Post Gazette. The funeral was yesterday. Al was a wonderful person and a long time Flyer collector. He will be deeply missed. Please pass the word along. I know people will be saddened to hear that the Flyer community has lost another one of it's most helpful, cheerful, knowledgeable members. ************ **Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages. aol.com/search? query=employment _agencies& ncid=emlcntusyel p00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52799	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Mark Premen ???

If I'm not mistaken (and I could be, at least I hope I am) I seem to remember an epitaph announcing his demise. Please correct me if I am wrong. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Mark Premen ??? Hi Folks, I just heard a disturbing rumor from a man attending a train show in Allentown. Does anyone on the list have any information about Mark Premen? Mark is the former owner of AmericanFlyerTrains.com, a 'frenetic' supporter of our hobby and used to sponsor our list. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52800	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall

Mike, To answer the corn question --Some types of sweet corn are as short as 4ft. Other types such as field corn can get as tall as 12ft under good conditions. I have heard of corn that grows as tall as 16 feet, but that is specially grown for record height. There is one variety listed at 20 feet but that seems extreme to me. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall Don, That is exactly what I was going to write back to Glenn. I am not being that strict about something being in scale if it works, as my roadway is O scale. And yes, Hugo and Che use the best in imported dung for the crops, so that Joe fo Oil will also be Joe for Corn. Basically, the corn field is to give the ball park a Field of Dream feel to it. I have no problems with the corn being a little higher, as who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall Dear Mike, If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. LOL, Don On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52801	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Dear Mike, From an Ag major to my marketing friend. http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html Don On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Don, > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > Dear Mike, > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > LOL, > Don > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > LOL > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52802	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall

Kevin will marry Evita on my layout as Hugo and Che will oversee the wedding. They will celebrate at Greivis's Tavern. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall Not to sound sexist, but that's one mighty woman farmer Costner's got hisself! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 2/21/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 9:45 PM http://www.scenerye xpress.com/ prodinfo. asp?number= FC3974 This will be behind the right field wall! Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52803	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: transformer questions

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I am trying to figure out if I am using too much or too little power on some things, so I will throw out some questions. > > The first one is about dual transformers. > All of these dual transformers are really just a single transformer with two variable outputs. The 15V posts and base posts are wired together. The wattage rating is for the transformer as a whole, not each half. In any case, AF wattage ratings are usually optimistic. You should not plan on using more than 75% of the rating on a continuous basis. Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52804	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Mark Premen ???

I had an e-mail from him on the 11th. He seemed in good spirits and was working. He had re-joined the forum. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mark Premen ??? If I'm not mistaken (and I could be, at least I hope I am) I seem to remember an epitaph announcing his demise. Please correct me if I am wrong. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Mark Premen ??? Hi Folks, I just heard a disturbing rumor from a man attending a train show in Allentown. Does anyone on the list have any information about Mark Premen? Mark is the former owner of AmericanFlyerTrains.com, a 'frenetic' supporter of our hobby and used to sponsor our list. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52805	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises

My experiences are documented online:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/index.html   In particular, check out Modes of Operation and Lessons Learned. --- On Sun, 2/22/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A New Company starting - JF&C Enterprises - Please read To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;>@NONE Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 5:52 AM John Frankforther and Company Enterprises ( JF&C Enterprises) is a group of investors interested in the coal, oil and lumber futures of the US. Arrangements are being made to start the design work for the layout operations in the scale of S utilizing new and used motive power and rolling stock purchased from previous investors. Operations will be modeled in the North Eastern part of the US that is rich in coal deposits and timber. The investors of this company are asking for your thoughts and experiences of initially designing single and multi deck layouts. They are currently visiting the LDSIG for information on layout design specs. So much information has been gathered that the board members are having a difficult time deciding where to start. The area of operation has been prepared and is known to be 24' X 20'. Industries in the area of operation will include a coal mine, small lumber mill and a few miscellaneous industries scattered throughout the area. Any incite as to how you designed your current layout and how you got past the "layout block" ( similar to writers block) would help the board members bring this railroad into being and finally in to the construction and operation. Thank you for any and all information you can provide. (I'm stuck!!) Director of operations John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52806	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/22/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 22, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52807	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS

Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob   Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52808	From: preardon4girls	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Transformer Power

OK, this is probably an easy problem to solve, but, I do need some help. I am using an 18B Transformer, and when using some of my locos (in particular a Baldwin diesel and a 343 0-8-0), there is way too much power. The top comfortable speed of the engines is reached at about 1/4 to 1/3 of the total transformer throttle. Is there a way to back off the output power so that I can use the full range of the throttle handle? This would give me much better speed control, I think. Maybe an adjustment, or an in line resistance, or another reostat in line? If anyone has had this issue, and has found a reasonable solution, I'd sure like to hear about your experience. Thanks, Pat In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52809	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Mark Premen ???

Thanks, Carl. I must be thinking of another Mark. Sorry. (And, sorry Mark!) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Mark Premen ??? I had an e-mail from him on the 11th. He seemed in good spirits and was working. He had re-joined the forum. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mark Premen ??? If I'm not mistaken (and I could be, at least I hope I am) I seem to remember an epitaph announcing his demise. Please correct me if I am wrong. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Mark Premen ??? Hi Folks, I just heard a disturbing rumor from a man attending a train show in Allentown. Does anyone on the list have any information about Mark Premen? Mark is the former owner of AmericanFlyerTrains.com, a 'frenetic' supporter of our hobby and used to sponsor our list. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52810	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall

Thanks Jim. These corn stalks are 1.75 inches high so in S that would almost 10 feet high in S. I have no problem with that. The product is hand made and looks real good, as I have used their grass mat made by this company. High Quality stuff. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall Mike, To answer the corn question --Some types of sweet corn are as short as 4ft. Other types such as field corn can get as tall as 12ft under good conditions. I have heard of corn that grows as tall as 16 feet, but that is specially grown for record height. There is one variety listed at 20 feet but that seems extreme to me. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall Don, That is exactly what I was going to write back to Glenn. I am not being that strict about something being in scale if it works, as my roadway is O scale. And yes, Hugo and Che use the best in imported dung for the crops, so that Joe fo Oil will also be Joe for Corn. Basically, the corn field is to give the ball park a Field of Dream feel to it. I have no problems with the corn being a little higher, as who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall Dear Mike, If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. LOL, Don On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52811	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: transformer questions

Thanks Randall, as that helps allot. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall Hicks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: transformer questions --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I am trying to figure out if I am using too much or too little power on some things, so I will throw out some questions. > > The first one is about dual transformers. > All of these dual transformers are really just a single transformer with two variable outputs. The 15V posts and base posts are wired together. The wattage rating is for the transformer as a whole, not each half. In any case, AF wattage ratings are usually optimistic. You should not plan on using more than 75% of the rating on a continuous basis. Randall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52812	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Grain of Wheat Bulb

I am trying to figure out the voltage of a single grain of wheat bulb, as I tried searching for this on Google and I think the answer I get is 3.2 volts. Does anyone know if this is correct? When all is done, I will have 64 of them for the baseball field and 30 of them for street lights. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52813	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Thanks again Don for your help. That is some real tall corn. Must of been great you know what they used on it. Must investigate. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height Dear Mike, From an Ag major to my marketing friend. http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html Don On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Don, > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > Dear Mike, > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > LOL, > Don > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > LOL > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52814	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

GOW bulbs are made in several voltages from 1.2 to 18 volts. Test with a variable supply until it looks the way you want and measure the voltage. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:16 PM To: S Trains; Toy Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb I am trying to figure out the voltage of a single grain of wheat bulb, as I tried searching for this on Google and I think the answer I get is 3.2 volts. Does anyone know if this is correct? When all is done, I will have 64 of them for the baseball field and 30 of them for street lights. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52815	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Freedom Train

I have uploaded pictures of my #49922 Freedom Train Two-Pack to The Gilbert Gallery:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Pullman_Heavyweights_Freedom_Train.html   Can anyone send me pictures of the passenger set? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52816	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Mike, I have been using LED¹s instead of GOW bulbs. A bit more expensive, but never burn out (almost), don¹t get hot and don¹t draw much voltage. Roy Inman on 2/22/09 6:41 PM, Carl Tuveson at carl@... wrote: > > > > GOW bulbs are made in several voltages from 1.2 to 18 volts. > > Test with a variable supply until it looks the way you want and measure the > voltage. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On > Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:16 PM > To: S Trains; Toy Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb > > I am trying to figure out the voltage of a single grain of wheat bulb, as I > tried searching for this on Google and I think the answer I get is 3.2 > volts. > > Does anyone know if this is correct? > > When all is done, I will have 64 of them for the baseball field and 30 of > them for street lights. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52817	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Mike,   There are various voltages for GOW bulbs. Micro Mark sells both 1.5 and 12 Volt bulbs. These are the most common. There are also smaller Grain of Rice bulbs in the same voltage range. I have never seen an odd voltage like 3.2 Volts but that does not mean that they do not exist. Possibly for instrumentation. There are several online dealers that sell them and places like Digi-Key and Jameco carry them as well.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:16 PM I am trying to figure out the voltage of a single grain of wheat bulb, as I tried searching for this on Google and I think the answer I get is 3.2 volts. Does anyone know if this is correct? When all is done, I will have 64 of them for the baseball field and 30 of them for street lights. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52818	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Dear Mike, When I was in Ag school, the really tall stuff was called Horse Corn. When young, it is as tasty as sweet corn, but it was developed to get real big ears and as all of the sugar turns to starch. They were intended for animal feed. Or, chopped for silage and then feed to cows (steers too). Today, I am sure that a good amount is made into ethanol, a truly stupid idea. No one seems to want to take the corn subsidy into account when calculating the cost of a gal. of ethanol from corn. Off the soap box, Don On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Thanks again Don for your help. > > That is some real tall corn. > > Must of been great you know what they used on it. > > Must investigate. > > LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record > corn height > > Dear Mike, > From an Ag major to my marketing friend. > > http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html > > Don > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Don, > > > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Thompson > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > > > Dear Mike, > > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > > LOL, > > Don > > > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52819	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Montana

Bob, You will have to check the listings. The old Norther Pacific train station in Livingston is now a museum. Livingston also has a lot of historical buildings and such. Bozeman is much more Metro. Be careful of the weather, March sometimes comes in like a lion. Robert Yablonski, Home town: Sumatra Montana. ---- Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob   Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52820	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Power

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > OK, this is probably an easy problem to solve, but, I do need some help. > > I am using an 18B Transformer, and when using some of my locos (in > particular a Baldwin diesel and a 343 0-8-0), there is way too much > power. The top comfortable speed of the engines is reached at about > 1/4 to 1/3 of the total transformer throttle. > Is there a way to back off the output power so that I can use the full > range of the throttle handle? This would give me much better speed > control, I think. Maybe an adjustment, or an in line resistance, or > another reostat in line? > If anyone has had this issue, and has found a reasonable solution, I'd > sure like to hear about your experience. > Thanks, > Pat > In Maine > An in-line resistance is the easiest solution. When I converted my inoperable 355 to a DC can motor, I found I was getting jack-rabbit starts (using a 12B with bridge rectifiers for DC). Two 10 ohm 10 watt resistors in series (from Radio Shack) solved this problem nicely. Since I have a small shelf layout and can't run continuously in any case, heating is not a problem. But if you're going to mount the resistors inside the loco or tender, that needs to be considered. A metal shell is probably immune to heating problems. Otherwise you can connect the resistor(s) between the transformer and the track, but of course this affects everything you run. One might be enough -- you just have to experiment to find what works best for you. The basic problem is that Gilbert generally designed their locos for much higher speeds than most of us now find comfortable. It's great these questions came up now -- I was just covering transformers in my college physics course. In fact, I took the guts of an old 8B into class as "show and tell"! Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52821	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Thanks to all, as I believe I got these from Micro Mark, as I can not find my invoice. 1.5 volts sounds like what they had in the description but I could not remember that to be sure. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52822	From: Sharon Brown	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: American Models Sound Card

I am running a combination of A/F and American Models trains on my layout using a Digitrax DCC system. I bought an American Models 4-6-2 Steam Loco with a sound card already in place. It is wired for AC, but I have installed a decoder in the engine, bypassing the sound card. Everything works fine but the sound. Can anybody tell me how to control the sound on this engine using a DCC decoder? I think I need a wiring diagram for the sound card. I have no idea how to hook up the leads, and American Models doesn't answer my emails. Thanks for any advice. --Jerry Brown --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52823	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Don, Thanks, so basically, corn that is 1.75 inches high should be okay, as I really do not care how this corn will taste. LOL It will be served at Hugo's All South American Diner as Authentic Maze made by the Inca's. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height Dear Mike, When I was in Ag school, the really tall stuff was called Horse Corn. When young, it is as tasty as sweet corn, but it was developed to get real big ears and as all of the sugar turns to starch. They were intended for animal feed. Or, chopped for silage and then feed to cows (steers too). Today, I am sure that a good amount is made into ethanol, a truly stupid idea. No one seems to want to take the corn subsidy into account when calculating the cost of a gal. of ethanol from corn. Off the soap box, Don On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Thanks again Don for your help. > > That is some real tall corn. > > Must of been great you know what they used on it. > > Must investigate. > > LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record > corn height > > Dear Mike, > From an Ag major to my marketing friend. > > http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html > > Don > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Don, > > > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Thompson > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > > > Dear Mike, > > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > > LOL, > > Don > > > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > > > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52824	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/22/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Sound Card

----- Original Message ----- From: [ Jerry ] Brown I am running a combination of A/F and American Models trains on my layout using a Digitrax DCC system. > > > > > > > > > Do any of your other locomotives have properly operating DCC-controlled sound? < < < < < < < < < I bought an American Models 4-6-2 Steam Loco with a sound card already in place. It is wired for AC. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > I think that which you call a sound card is the printed circuit board that does the rectification, direction-sequencing, and feeds the sound to the speaker in the tender. But that's an entirely different system, not compatible with DCC. You need to remove that "sound card" and install a DCC sound decoder. Study the DCC literature, or see your local DCC-installer. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52825	From: thejohnsons@mchsi.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana

Bob, I can't say for sure, since it has been over 20 years since I went to college in Bozeman, but there used to be a small hobby shop there, but no Flyer that I was aware. I was into HO at the time(please forgive me) so I didn't pay much attention. There are a couple larger hobby shops in Billings Jims Junction, and Central Hobbies, at least they were there last time I was in Billings, about 5 years ago. I was born and raised in eastern Montana, no better place in the world. Randy Johnson Dallas Center IA -------------- Original message from <yabo1@...>: -------------- Bob, You will have to check the listings. The old Norther Pacific train station in Livingston is now a museum. Livingston also has a lot of historical buildings and such. Bozeman is much more Metro. Be careful of the weather, March sometimes comes in like a lion. Robert Yablonski, Home town: Sumatra Montana. ---- Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52826	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Hi Mike: my impression is that maize from the Inca generation was short rather than 10 feet high! Well, you are only interested in the ears and kernels, so maybe your advertisement could be for old "kernels" grown with modern technology. Rance Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > Don, > > Thanks, so basically, corn that is 1.75 inches high should be okay, as > I really do not care how this corn will taste. LOL > > It will be served at Hugo's All South American Diner as Authentic Maze > made by the Inca's. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn > height > > Dear Mike, > When I was in Ag school, the really tall stuff was called Horse > Corn. When young, it is as tasty as sweet corn, but it was developed > to get real big ears and as all of the sugar turns to starch. They > were intended for animal feed. Or, chopped for silage and then feed > to cows (steers too). Today, I am sure that a good amount is made > into ethanol, a truly stupid idea. No one seems to want to take the > corn subsidy into account when calculating the cost of a gal. of > ethanol from corn. > Off the soap box, > Don > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Thanks again Don for your help. > > > > That is some real tall corn. > > > > Must of been great you know what they used on it. > > > > Must investigate. > > > > LOL > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Thompson > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record > > corn height > > > > Dear Mike, > > From an Ag major to my marketing friend. > > > > > http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html > <http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html> > > > > Don > > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > > Don, > > > > > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > > > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Don Thompson > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > > > > > Dear Mike, > > > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > > > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > > > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > > > LOL, > > > Don > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > <http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974> > > > > > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52827	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.

Got this today. Anyone need any real rail? Don On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:31 AM, Adriaanmetals mark wrote: > BDS Metals Pty. > 96 Beyers Naude > North Cliff > > Date: 23-02-2009. > > > Dear Sir / Madam, > > We have enough quantity of Used Rails for saleThe Product is Used > Train Rail Scraps with the Specification of R50 & R 65 as conformed > to the ISRI Codes. > Manufactured in Russia & Ukraine > The Origin is South Africa. > Contract Period: Twelve Months. > Price: USD$120 per Metric Ton FOB. > Payment Terms: LC / TT.Inspections: By Buyer and at the port of > loading by SGS for clear and clean of the quantity of the goods > loaded on board vessel. Please confirm if you are willing to close > down the contract as to enable us schedule and arrange for your > urgent trip to South Africa for inspections of the materials and > signing of the contract with us. > > Finally, be informed that upon your acceptance to this offer, we > will be providing you with all the related documents for your > perusals before coming down to South Africa for the signing of the > contract with us on adriaanmark@... > > Adriaan Mark. > > -- > BDS.METALS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52828	From: Sharon Brown	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Sound Card

Thanks very much for that explanation Tom. Yes, I have installed a sound card in an older A/F engine that had no circuit board or speaker in it. This package came "with Bell and Whistle", so I assumed all that stuff in the tender was a rather large sound card. I by-passed the whole thing when installing the decoder, and I was hoping to activate the sound from the decoder. I guess I'll look for another sound card. --Jerry Brown --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52829	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: We are end users of used train rail scraps

I don't know about this Don. I don't think I can use any of this stuff, it seems like it might be out of scale. The price is much higher than your track and the shipping doesn't seem all that convenient. After all, how many of us need track by the metric ton? But thanks for thinking of us. ;-) Stumpy Stone...off the wall in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52830	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.

It's been so windy here in Colorado, that we may need a few of these to build our kites this spring!  :) Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> To: "e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:11:28 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps. Got this today. Anyone need any real rail? Don On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:31 AM, Adriaanmetals mark wrote: > BDS Metals Pty. > 96 Beyers Naude > North Cliff > > Date: 23-02-2009. > > > Dear Sir / Madam, > > We have enough quantity of Used Rails for saleThe Product is Used > Train Rail Scraps with the Specification of R50 & R 65 as conformed > to the ISRI Codes. > Manufactured in Russia & Ukraine > The Origin is South Africa. > Contract Period: Twelve Months. > Price: USD$120 per Metric Ton FOB. > Payment Terms: LC / TT.Inspections: By Buyer and at the port of > loading by SGS for clear and clean of the quantity of the goods > loaded on board vessel. Please confirm if you are willing to close > down the contract as to enable us schedule and arrange for your > urgent trip to South Africa for inspections of the materials and > signing of the contract with us. > > Finally, be informed that upon your acceptance to this offer, we > will be providing you with all the related documents for your > perusals before coming down to South Africa for the signing of the > contract with us on adriaanmark@... > > Adriaan Mark. > > -- > BDS.METALS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52831	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.

Don Thompson wrote: > > > Got this today. Anyone need any real rail? > Don > Not by the metric ton! But a couple of chunks would be handy to use as an anvil. When I was a kid, my dad got a couple of foot long chunks of 1:1 scale track that we used as anvils for beating on metal. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52832	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Thanks Rance. I could advertise it as new and improve height Inca corn due to Grade A waste products. Only the finest Grade A plastic waste products from Grade A Plastic Steers. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height Hi Mike: my impression is that maize from the Inca generation was short rather than 10 feet high! Well, you are only interested in the ears and kernels, so maybe your advertisement could be for old "kernels" grown with modern technology. Rance Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > Don, > > Thanks, so basically, corn that is 1.75 inches high should be okay, as > I really do not care how this corn will taste. LOL > > It will be served at Hugo's All South American Diner as Authentic Maze > made by the Inca's. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn > height > > Dear Mike, > When I was in Ag school, the really tall stuff was called Horse > Corn. When young, it is as tasty as sweet corn, but it was developed > to get real big ears and as all of the sugar turns to starch. They > were intended for animal feed. Or, chopped for silage and then feed > to cows (steers too). Today, I am sure that a good amount is made > into ethanol, a truly stupid idea. No one seems to want to take the > corn subsidy into account when calculating the cost of a gal. of > ethanol from corn. > Off the soap box, > Don > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Thanks again Don for your help. > > > > That is some real tall corn. > > > > Must of been great you know what they used on it. > > > > Must investigate. > > > > LOL > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Thompson > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record > > corn height > > > > Dear Mike, > > From an Ag major to my marketing friend. > > > > > http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html > <http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html> > > > > Don > > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > > Don, > > > > > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > > > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Don Thompson > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > > > > > Dear Mike, > > > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > > > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > > > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > > > LOL, > > > Don > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974 > <http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974> > > > > > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52833	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: American Models Locos & DCC

If you intend to install DCC decoders in American Models locomotives, I would suggest specifying high-rail wheels & couplers, assuming that's what you want, and "DC, DCC-ready." This will get you the loco with a socket ready to plug in the NMRA-standard decoder, and there will be a little plug in that socket to use in standard DC mode until you get the decoder. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52834	From: pkrae	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana

Jim's Junction has S-guage, but not A-F.  I used to purchase K-line made 2-rail "AF" track from there a few years ago.  He had straights and different curves.   john jones   <>   --- On Mon, 2/23/09, thejohnsons@... <thejohnsons@...> wrote: From: thejohnsons@... <thejohnsons@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 12:43 AM Bob, I can't say for sure, since it has been over 20 years since I went to college in Bozeman, but there used to be a small hobby shop there, but no Flyer that I was aware. I was into HO at the time(please forgive me) so I didn't pay much attention. There are a couple larger hobby shops in Billings Jims Junction, and Central Hobbies, at least they were there last time I was in Billings, about 5 years ago. I was born and raised in eastern Montana, no better place in the world. Randy Johnson Dallas Center IA ------------ -- Original message from <yabo1@...>: ------------ -- Bob, You will have to check the listings. The old Norther Pacific train station in Livingston is now a museum. Livingston also has a lot of historical buildings and such. Bozeman is much more Metro. Be careful of the weather, March sometimes comes in like a lion. Robert Yablonski, Home town: Sumatra Montana. ---- Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: > Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52835	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana

And don't forget to visit the Dental Foss farm while looking for train shoppes. Could not resist that. Frank Zappa RIP Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: pkrae To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana Jim's Junction has S-guage, but not A-F. I used to purchase K-line made 2-rail "AF" track from there a few years ago. He had straights and different curves. john jones <> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, thejohnsons@... <thejohnsons@...> wrote: From: thejohnsons@... <thejohnsons@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 12:43 AM Bob, I can't say for sure, since it has been over 20 years since I went to college in Bozeman, but there used to be a small hobby shop there, but no Flyer that I was aware. I was into HO at the time(please forgive me) so I didn't pay much attention. There are a couple larger hobby shops in Billings Jims Junction, and Central Hobbies, at least they were there last time I was in Billings, about 5 years ago. I was born and raised in eastern Montana, no better place in the world. Randy Johnson Dallas Center IA ------------ -- Original message from <yabo1@...>: ------------ -- Bob, You will have to check the listings. The old Norther Pacific train station in Livingston is now a museum. Livingston also has a lot of historical buildings and such. Bozeman is much more Metro. Be careful of the weather, March sometimes comes in like a lion. Robert Yablonski, Home town: Sumatra Montana. ---- Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: > Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52836	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Six Wheel Trucks Wanted

I'm in need of a pair of six wheel (the shorter six-wheelers) heavyweight passenger trucks for a project car. I would prefer the link couplers, but could go to knuckles if need be. If you have a pair to sell, or maybe a chassis (condition unimportant) with those trucks, please contact me. Maybe I should rephrase that... I'm too old and frail to "go to knuckles" over this with anyone! There was time I might have tried, but now I'll just pay you a reasonable price. Thanks! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52837	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana

I meant that to be Dental Floss, my error. So instead of a corn Field, I will have a Dental Floss field, because dental floss can be high as a piece of string and there no data on the actual length of any piece of string. LOL Lyrics to the song that is classic Zappa. http://www.lyricsdepot.com/frank-zappa/montana.html Now to find a Zappa train song. Thanks for letting me be silly. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana And don't forget to visit the Dental Foss farm while looking for train shoppes. Could not resist that. Frank Zappa RIP Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: pkrae To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana Jim's Junction has S-guage, but not A-F. I used to purchase K-line made 2-rail "AF" track from there a few years ago. He had straights and different curves. john jones <> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, thejohnsons@... <thejohnsons@...> wrote: From: thejohnsons@... <thejohnsons@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 12:43 AM Bob, I can't say for sure, since it has been over 20 years since I went to college in Bozeman, but there used to be a small hobby shop there, but no Flyer that I was aware. I was into HO at the time(please forgive me) so I didn't pay much attention. There are a couple larger hobby shops in Billings Jims Junction, and Central Hobbies, at least they were there last time I was in Billings, about 5 years ago. I was born and raised in eastern Montana, no better place in the world. Randy Johnson Dallas Center IA ------------ -- Original message from <yabo1@...>: ------------ -- Bob, You will have to check the listings. The old Norther Pacific train station in Livingston is now a museum. Livingston also has a lot of historical buildings and such. Bozeman is much more Metro. Be careful of the weather, March sometimes comes in like a lion. Robert Yablonski, Home town: Sumatra Montana. ---- Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: > Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52838	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana

Oh I thought you had just left the E off the end of fosse and was picturing a moat full of dental instruments! LOL Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana I meant that to be Dental Floss, my error. So instead of a corn Field, I will have a Dental Floss field, because dental floss can be high as a piece of string and there no data on the actual length of any piece of string. LOL Lyrics to the song that is classic Zappa. http://www.lyricsde <http://www.lyricsdepot.com/frank-zappa/montana.html> pot.com/frank-zappa/montana.html Now to find a Zappa train song. Thanks for letting me be silly. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana And don't forget to visit the Dental Foss farm while looking for train shoppes. Could not resist that. Frank Zappa RIP Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: pkrae To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana Jim's Junction has S-guage, but not A-F. I used to purchase K-line made 2-rail "AF" track from there a few years ago. He had straights and different curves. john jones <> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons%40mchsi.com> mchsi.com <thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons%40mchsi.com> mchsi.com> wrote: From: thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons%40mchsi.com> mchsi.com <thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons%40mchsi.com> mchsi.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 12:43 AM Bob, I can't say for sure, since it has been over 20 years since I went to college in Bozeman, but there used to be a small hobby shop there, but no Flyer that I was aware. I was into HO at the time(please forgive me) so I didn't pay much attention. There are a couple larger hobby shops in Billings Jims Junction, and Central Hobbies, at least they were there last time I was in Billings, about 5 years ago. I was born and raised in eastern Montana, no better place in the world. Randy Johnson Dallas Center IA ------------ -- Original message from <yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> >: ------------ -- Bob, You will have to check the listings. The old Norther Pacific train station in Livingston is now a museum. Livingston also has a lot of historical buildings and such. Bozeman is much more Metro. Be careful of the weather, March sometimes comes in like a lion. Robert Yablonski, Home town: Sumatra Montana. ---- Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: > Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52839	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Montana

Dental Floss..... Kinda " KORNIE!!!!!! " Bob --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Montana To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 4:21 PM Oh I thought you had just left the E off the end of fosse and was picturing a moat full of dental instruments! LOL Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana I meant that to be Dental Floss, my error. So instead of a corn Field, I will have a Dental Floss field, because dental floss can be high as a piece of string and there no data on the actual length of any piece of string. LOL Lyrics to the song that is classic Zappa. http://www.lyricsde <http://www.lyricsde pot.com/frank- zappa/montana. html> pot.com/frank- zappa/montana. html Now to find a Zappa train song. Thanks for letting me be silly. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana And don't forget to visit the Dental Foss farm while looking for train shoppes. Could not resist that. Frank Zappa RIP Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: pkrae To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana Jim's Junction has S-guage, but not A-F. I used to purchase K-line made 2-rail "AF" track from there a few years ago. He had straights and different curves. john jones <> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons %40mchsi. com> mchsi.com <thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons %40mchsi. com> mchsi.com> wrote: From: thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons %40mchsi. com> mchsi.com <thejohnsons@ <mailto:thejohnsons %40mchsi. com> mchsi.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Montana To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 12:43 AM Bob, I can't say for sure, since it has been over 20 years since I went to college in Bozeman, but there used to be a small hobby shop there, but no Flyer that I was aware. I was into HO at the time(please forgive me) so I didn't pay much attention. There are a couple larger hobby shops in Billings Jims Junction, and Central Hobbies, at least they were there last time I was in Billings, about 5 years ago. I was born and raised in eastern Montana, no better place in the world. Randy Johnson Dallas Center IA ------------ -- Original message from <yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1% 40cox.net> >: ------------ -- Bob, You will have to check the listings. The old Norther Pacific train station in Livingston is now a museum. Livingston also has a lot of historical buildings and such. Bozeman is much more Metro. Be careful of the weather, March sometimes comes in like a lion. Robert Yablonski, Home town: Sumatra Montana. ---- Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: > Guys and Gals.... I am going to venture into Yellowstone very soon for a short, cozy vacation! .... So I will be landing in Billings Montana.... driving to Bozeman, then South into West Yellowstone (In a car... Yellowstone on a snowmobile) Any shops worth stopping at??? or antique shops that might have FLYER????? Bob Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52840	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Mike, do you have a Cow Pie Vendor? Mike In a message dated 2/23/2009 9:38:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Thanks Rance. I could advertise it as new and improve height Inca corn due to Grade A waste products. Only the finest Grade A plastic waste products from Grade A Plastic Steers. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height Hi Mike: my impression is that maize from the Inca generation was short rather than 10 feet high! Well, you are only interested in the ears and kernels, so maybe your advertisement could be for old "kernels" grown with modern technology. Rance Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > Don, > > Thanks, so basically, corn that is 1.75 inches high should be okay, as > I really do not care how this corn will taste. LOL > > It will be served at Hugo's All South American Diner as Authentic Maze > made by the Inca's. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn > height > > Dear Mike, > When I was in Ag school, the really tall stuff was called Horse > Corn. When young, it is as tasty as sweet corn, but it was developed > to get real big ears and as all of the sugar turns to starch. They > were intended for animal feed. Or, chopped for silage and then feed > to cows (steers too). Today, I am sure that a good amount is made > into ethanol, a truly stupid idea. No one seems to want to take the > corn subsidy into account when calculating the cost of a gal. of > ethanol from corn. > Off the soap box, > Don > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Thanks again Don for your help. > > > > That is some real tall corn. > > > > Must of been great you know what they used on it. > > > > Must investigate. > > > > LOL > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Thompson > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record > > corn height > > > > Dear Mike, > > From an Ag major to my marketing friend. > > > > > _http://community.http://communityhttp://cohttp://commhttp://communhttp://commuhttp://communhttp://co_ (http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html) > <_http://community.http://communityhttp://cohttp://commhttp://communhttp://commuhttp://communhttp://co_ (http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html) > > > > > Don > > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > > Don, > > > > > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > > > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Don Thompson > > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > > > > > Dear Mike, > > > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > > > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > > > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > > > LOL, > > > Don > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > > > > _http://www.sceneryehttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.http:/_ (http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974) > <_http://www.sceneryehttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.http:/_ (http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974) > > > > > > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52841	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

If you are considering an AM Northern for DCC, you will need a high amperage decoder. That motor pulls 1+ amp all by itself. I found out the hard way after blowing two 1.5 amp decoders in short order. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/23/2009 1:20:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, t.hawley@... writes: If you intend to install DCC decoders in American Models locomotives, I would suggest specifying high-rail wheels & couplers, assuming that's what you want, and "DC, DCC-ready." This will get you the loco with a socket ready to plug in the NMRA-standard decoder, and there will be a little plug in that socket to use in standard DC mode until you get the decoder. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52842	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Why yes, I do, as it is all plastic, thanks to the Stock yard. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height Mike, do you have a Cow Pie Vendor? Mike In a message dated 2/23/2009 9:38:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Thanks Rance. I could advertise it as new and improve height Inca corn due to Grade A waste products. Only the finest Grade A plastic waste products from Grade A Plastic Steers. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height Hi Mike: my impression is that maize from the Inca generation was short rather than 10 feet high! Well, you are only interested in the ears and kernels, so maybe your advertisement could be for old "kernels" grown with modern technology. Rance Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > Don, > > Thanks, so basically, corn that is 1.75 inches high should be okay, as > I really do not care how this corn will taste. LOL > > It will be served at Hugo's All South American Diner as Authentic Maze > made by the Inca's. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thompson > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn > height > > Dear Mike, > When I was in Ag school, the really tall stuff was called Horse > Corn. When young, it is as tasty as sweet corn, but it was developed > to get real big ears and as all of the sugar turns to starch. They > were intended for animal feed. Or, chopped for silage and then feed > to cows (steers too). Today, I am sure that a good amount is made > into ethanol, a truly stupid idea. No one seems to want to take the > corn subsidy into account when calculating the cost of a gal. of > ethanol from corn. > Off the soap box, > Don > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Thanks again Don for your help. > > > > That is some real tall corn. > > > > Must of been great you know what they used on it. > > > > Must investigate. > > > > LOL > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Thompson > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record > > corn height > > > > Dear Mike, > > From an Ag major to my marketing friend. > > > > > _http://community.http://communityhttp://cohttp://commhttp://communhttp://commuhttp://communhttp://co_ (http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html) > <_http://community.http://communityhttp://cohttp://commhttp://communhttp://commuhttp://communhttp://co_ (http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_25Ft-Tall-Corn-At-GVGO-Competition/video/124665/7691.html) > > > > > Don > > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > > Don, > > > > > > ....who really knows the right height of corn fields? I sure don't. > > > All I know corn is very high, higher then our heads in the end. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Don Thompson > > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall > > > > > > Dear Mike, > > > If anyone wonders about the height of your corn, just let them know > > > of the extra fertilizer and that for some reason the seed salesman > > > said that you cannot sell your corn to the European market. > > > LOL, > > > Don > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > > > > > > _http://www.sceneryehttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.http:/_ (http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974) > <_http://www.sceneryehttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.http:/_ (http://www.sceneryexpress.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC3974) > > > > > > > > > This will be behind the right field wall! > > > > > > > > Where do I get a S scale Kevin Costner? > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52843	From: nrcastricone	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: SHS TRACK

Wanted S Helper Sectional Track

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52844	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

Speaking of American Models, I purchased a AM Diesel, electric. Never ran it, because I did not have a layout at the time in 1993. When I started the layout last year, I pulled it out to run. Nothing. The metal frame holding a truck was completely cracked. Oh well, I am running DCC anyway. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) If you are considering an AM Northern for DCC, you will need a high amperage decoder. That motor pulls 1+ amp all by itself. I found out the hard way after blowing two 1.5 amp decoders in short order. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/23/2009 1:20:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, t.hawley@... writes: If you intend to install DCC decoders in American Models locomotives, I would suggest specifying high-rail wheels & couplers, assuming that's what you want, and "DC, DCC-ready." This will get you the loco with a socket ready to plug in the NMRA-standard decoder, and there will be a little plug in that socket to use in standard DC mode until you get the decoder. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52845	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

What road name is it? Assuming the road name is one I operate I would be interested in the loco for the shell, and I could definitely use some chassis parts. Mark -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) Speaking of American Models, I purchased a AM Diesel, electric. Never ran it, because I did not have a layout at the time in 1993. When I started the layout last year, I pulled it out to run. Nothing. The metal frame holding a truck was completely cracked. Oh well, I am running DCC anyway. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) If you are considering an AM Northern for DCC, you will need a high amperage decoder. That motor pulls 1+ amp all by itself. I found out the hard way after blowing two 1.5 amp decoders in short order. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/23/2009 1:20:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, t.hawley@comcast. <mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net> net writes: If you intend to install DCC decoders in American Models locomotives, I would suggest specifying high-rail wheels & couplers, assuming that's what you want, and "DC, DCC-ready." This will get you the loco with a socket ready to plug in the NMRA-standard decoder, and there will be a little plug in that socket to use in standard DC mode until you get the decoder. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies. <http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001> aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52846	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: flyonel docksider smoke unit problem

So tonight I was running my flyonel docksider(I did the smoke mod as found on port line hobby supplies http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic31.htm) and than it just stopped and started billowing smoke fluid, I did not smell electrical burninng just smoke fluid than it stopped as it overheated and the solder on the wire melted. I took the whole thing apart and couldnt find anything wrong(im no expert on circut booards) but my though was maybe something happened in the circut board or maybe the wick itself was bad(looks ok but im not an expert on those either) Any help suggestions would be greatly appreciated -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52847	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale N & HO SCALE $4.00 - S & O SCALE $7.25, $1.75 FOR P&H 944 SKNX 4 BAY COVERED HOPPER (4-2008) 945 NRDX COLD TRAIN REEFER. (4-2006) NRDX 50' STEEL REEFER 4-2006 946 BNSF M of W TRUCKS M of W trucks (2000's+) 947 MP CABOOSE modern cabooses (1977+) -- Tom Stolte owner of Oddballs Decals www.oddballsdecals.org aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-) only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall MP, CNW, MKT, KCS, DRGW, BN, RI, MILW and SP Forever

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52848	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel docksider smoke unit problem

Tim, If you bypassed the smoke regulator for more smoke you should have changed the smoke element to a 27 ohm unit. The original was 18 ohms. If you apply track voltage to the 18 ohm unit directly, bypassing the regulator it will be toast in a short time. Use Lionel Smoke Element 27 ohm Lionel Part 600-8141-055 Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ooticamitica Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:44 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] flyonel docksider smoke unit problem So tonight I was running my flyonel docksider(I did the smoke mod as found on port line hobby supplies http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic31.htm) and than it just stopped and started billowing smoke fluid, I did not smell electrical burninng just smoke fluid than it stopped as it overheated and the solder on the wire melted. I took the whole thing apart and couldnt find anything wrong(im no expert on circut booards) but my though was maybe something happened in the circut board or maybe the wick itself was bad(looks ok but im not an expert on those either) Any help suggestions would be greatly appreciated -Tim ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52849	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

C&O. I was told to contact AM about this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) What road name is it? Assuming the road name is one I operate I would be interested in the loco for the shell, and I could definitely use some chassis parts. Mark -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) Speaking of American Models, I purchased a AM Diesel, electric. Never ran it, because I did not have a layout at the time in 1993. When I started the layout last year, I pulled it out to run. Nothing. The metal frame holding a truck was completely cracked. Oh well, I am running DCC anyway. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) If you are considering an AM Northern for DCC, you will need a high amperage decoder. That motor pulls 1+ amp all by itself. I found out the hard way after blowing two 1.5 amp decoders in short order. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/23/2009 1:20:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, t.hawley@comcast. <mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net> net writes: If you intend to install DCC decoders in American Models locomotives, I would suggest specifying high-rail wheels & couplers, assuming that's what you want, and "DC, DCC-ready." This will get you the loco with a socket ready to plug in the NMRA-standard decoder, and there will be a little plug in that socket to use in standard DC mode until you get the decoder. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies. <http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001> aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52850	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

Not interested in C&O, plus it sounds like someone with more information believes it is repairable or perhaps warranty might be likely. Mark -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) C&O. I was told to contact AM about this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) What road name is it? Assuming the road name is one I operate I would be interested in the loco for the shell, and I could definitely use some chassis parts. Mark -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) Speaking of American Models, I purchased a AM Diesel, electric. Never ran it, because I did not have a layout at the time in 1993. When I started the layout last year, I pulled it out to run. Nothing. The metal frame holding a truck was completely cracked. Oh well, I am running DCC anyway. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) If you are considering an AM Northern for DCC, you will need a high amperage decoder. That motor pulls 1+ amp all by itself. I found out the hard way after blowing two 1.5 amp decoders in short order. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/23/2009 1:20:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, t.hawley@comcast. <mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net> net writes: If you intend to install DCC decoders in American Models locomotives, I would suggest specifying high-rail wheels & couplers, assuming that's what you want, and "DC, DCC-ready." This will get you the loco with a socket ready to plug in the NMRA-standard decoder, and there will be a little plug in that socket to use in standard DC mode until you get the decoder. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies. <http://movies. <http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001> aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001> aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52851	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: We Are End Sellers Used Train Rail Scraps.

While I was visiting the Tehachapi loop, there was a large pile of 'used' spikes. So, being the railfan that I am 8-) , I 'borrowed' one (until I return it next trip) of the better ones and now have it in the 'shop' downstairs to clean up and possibly paint so it doesn't get rusty (maybe paint it rusty brown). Nice memento of our special day slightly west of here when we saw the special Amtrak passenger train carrying the vp of Amtrak plus about 10 other freight trains, on the siding (waiting) or going through. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) George Cohn wrote: > > Don Thompson wrote: > > > > > > Got this today. Anyone need any real rail? > > Don > > > > Not by the metric ton! > > But a couple of chunks would be handy to use as an anvil. When I was a > kid, my dad got a couple of foot long chunks of 1:1 scale track that we > used as anvils for beating on metal. ;-) > > George Cohn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52852	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

I just sent AM a email about this, as the damage really is where a screw goes into the chasis to hold in a truck. No power at all also. I will let you all know if they respond, as I am sure they will tell me it is way out of warranty. I got this in 1994 or so, as it was about a 140 dollars, so it was 15 years ago, so it is money spent long ago. but a good test to see how concern they are about their products. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52853	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: TV

I may have been the only one not aware until recently, but there have been some train shows on TV. 1. Trains and Locomotives on RFD Channel 2. Train Hobby show on PBS 3. Rail fan trips on History/Voyages. Last night I watched a rail fan trip from Williams, AR up onto the Grand Canyon. This morning there was a trip on Voyages using UP 844 for headend power. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52854	From: Don Birdey	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV

I took the Williams trip several years ago. Diesel on the way up and steam on the way back. Trip was enjoyable with open window cars. Highlite was a train robbery by horse mounted "thieves" on the way back. Don Bladen   --- On Tue, 2/24/09, A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> wrote: > From: A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] TV > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 11:18 AM > I may have been the only one not aware until recently, but > there have been some train shows on TV. > 1. Trains and Locomotives on RFD Channel > 2. Train Hobby show on PBS > 3. Rail fan trips on History/Voyages. > > Last night I watched a rail fan trip from Williams, AR up > onto the Grand Canyon. This morning there was a trip on > Voyages using UP 844 for headend power. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52855	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: KEYSTONE TCA SPRING TRAINing "SWAP MEET"

KEYSTONE DIV of the Train Collectors Association announes their "SRING TRAINing Swap Meet" March 7th at St Philips Catholic Church, corner of PA Rts 999 & 741. KEYSTONE card carrying members will now be allowed to enter the meet at 8 AM FREE by showing a current Keystone Membership card. Doors open to the PUBLIC at 9 AM, Admission is $4.00 for Adults & Children 12 & under Free. TCA members can still acquire tables by contacting Registrar Ron Morris @ _RONTRAIN@..._ (mailto:RONTRAIN@...) , visit the Keystone web site _www.Keystonediv.org_ (http://www.Keystonediv.org) for "Meet Notice". Kids can ride our "RideOn Train", join in the Train Races and view at least one operating layout. The St Philips Men's Sunday School Class does a great job in the kitchen, GOOD FOOD at reasonable prices, Join them for breakfast (or lunch) Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52856	From: ooticamitica	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel docksider smoke unit problem

Thanks alot, ordered part lets hope for the beast -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52857	From: G C	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Basaball bin berry berry gudd to Mike! L.O.L. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52858	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

Your mileage may vary, but I have installed 1 amp Tsunamis in several AM Northern's with no problems. I measure each loco first with wheels slipping to be sure the draw in that state is less that 1 amp, and so far they all were. The Tsunami will handle a high current draw for a short time without a problem. I've also used 1 amp Lenz Gold decoders in the Northern and in any other S gauge conversions I've done. Other brands of 1 amp decoders may not be able to handle these locos as well as the Tsunami and Lenz Gold. To test the first AM Northern/SoundTraxx Tsunami installation, we ran it at a train show pulling 64 SHS and AM cars all day long without a problem. Regards, Bill At 09:19 PM 2/23/2009, boss31@... wrote: >If you are considering an AM Northern for DCC, you will need a high >amperage decoder. That motor pulls 1+ amp all by itself. I found out >the hard way >after blowing two 1.5 amp decoders in short order. > >Steve >SnS Trains >Boise > > >In a message dated 02/23/2009 1:20:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ><mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net>t.hawley@... writes: > >If you intend to install DCC decoders in American Models locomotives, I >would suggest specifying high-rail wheels & couplers, assuming >that's what you >want, and "DC, DCC-ready." This will get you the loco with a socket ready to >plug in the NMRA-standard decoder, and there will be a little plug in that >socket to use in standard DC mode until you get the decoder. > >Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >**************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars >updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. >(<http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001>http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52859	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV

I have been a fan of RFD TV for a long time. They also run I Love Toy Trains weekly. It is usually about the L company but there have been a few shows on American Flyer layouts.   Unfortunately, my PBS station WITF, does not carry Train Hobby show. They are more interested in their Gab-A-Thon and kill regular programming while attempting to raise more money. What area are you located in?   Regards, Nick Kulp   I may have been the only one not aware until recently, but there have been some train shows on TV. 1. Trains and Locomotives on RFD Channel 2. Train Hobby show on PBS 3. Rail fan trips on History/Voyages [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52860	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

Hi Mike -- The damage should not have affaected the operation of the motor. It is quite possible that sitting all that time in a box that the commutator got corroded and isn't passing electrons. When you take it apart next time, turn the motor over by hand several times, then apply power directly to the wire connections to see how that works. Good luck! Bill No power at all also. I got this in 1994 or so, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52861	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height

Rim shot out to Gene. The guy at Evergreen scale models, maker of the tubes is impressived LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Behind the Right Field Wall world record corn height Basaball bin berry berry gudd to Mike! L.O.L. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52862	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Resistor?

I have mentioned this before, that I really do not know what I am doing in making this layout, but someone emailed me about my ball park lights. He said that I might want to put a resistor on the line, to reduce the voltage going to the lights or they will burn out quickly. I am a bit confused, as having 64 bulbs at 1.5 volts I thought would require 96 volts or watts to light at the normal capacity. Any help with this, as I will also have about 30 streetlights in total with the same bulbs but on a different on off switch. All will be grain of wheat bulbs. Also, I have about 10 to 15 buildings with lights using 24 volt frosted bulbs on a separate on off switch. I have 5 AF water towers connected to the wires for the track. Am I doing something wrong by doing this with the bulbs. Thanks for any help and advice. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52863	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resistor?

If it were me and I had 64, 1.5v bulbs I would wire 16 bulbs in series so you had 4 strings of bulbs. They would be rated at 24 volts per string but I would use about 18 volts on each string to prolong the bulb life. 18 volts is a common AUX voltage of many transformers. For the streetlights use 2 strings of 15 bulbs rated at 22.5 volts. Again these 2 strings could be powered with the same 18 volts. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:24 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Resistor? I have mentioned this before, that I really do not know what I am doing in making this layout, but someone emailed me about my ball park lights. He said that I might want to put a resistor on the line, to reduce the voltage going to the lights or they will burn out quickly. I am a bit confused, as having 64 bulbs at 1.5 volts I thought would require 96 volts or watts to light at the normal capacity. Any help with this, as I will also have about 30 streetlights in total with the same bulbs but on a different on off switch. All will be grain of wheat bulbs. Also, I have about 10 to 15 buildings with lights using 24 volt frosted bulbs on a separate on off switch. I have 5 AF water towers connected to the wires for the track. Am I doing something wrong by doing this with the bulbs. Thanks for any help and advice. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52864	From: michael prell	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV

Is anyone running Tracks Ahead any more? The producers always gave a good mix of what was going on. Just wondering.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TV To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:02 PM I have been a fan of RFD TV for a long time. They also run I Love Toy Trains weekly. It is usually about the L company but there have been a few shows on American Flyer layouts.   Unfortunately, my PBS station WITF, does not carry Train Hobby show. They are more interested in their Gab-A-Thon and kill regular programming while attempting to raise more money. What area are you located in?   Regards, Nick Kulp   I may have been the only one not aware until recently, but there have been some train shows on TV. 1. Trains and Locomotives on RFD Channel 2. Train Hobby show on PBS 3. Rail fan trips on History/Voyages [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52865	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Locos & DCC (addendum)

Thanks Bill, as it is a engine I will not be using on the layout anyway, I just wanted to see it run for a first time. At the time of purchase, in 1994 or so, I was going to use AF technology, track and power. Well, 15 years later, technology has changed in power and track, so it is outdated for my use. It will just sit on the shelve where it has been for 15 years. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Locos & DCC (addendum) Hi Mike -- The damage should not have affaected the operation of the motor. It is quite possible that sitting all that time in a box that the commutator got corroded and isn't passing electrons. When you take it apart next time, turn the motor over by hand several times, then apply power directly to the wire connections to see how that works. Good luck! Bill No power at all also. I got this in 1994 or so, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52866	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resistor?

Carl, Thanks for the advice, but could you explain to me a little more about making these string of bulbs. Right now, I have 15 street lights, strung together going to the transformer, as I will add more street lights later. The building lights are all connected together going to a transformer. The ball lights are 4 per arm, as 8 per tower, joined together at the bottom, then connected to the other 7 towers going to the transformer. This is all new to me, so again, I appreciated the added help I need in doing this. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson To: 'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Resistor? If it were me and I had 64, 1.5v bulbs I would wire 16 bulbs in series so you had 4 strings of bulbs. They would be rated at 24 volts per string but I would use about 18 volts on each string to prolong the bulb life. 18 volts is a common AUX voltage of many transformers. For the streetlights use 2 strings of 15 bulbs rated at 22.5 volts. Again these 2 strings could be powered with the same 18 volts. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:24 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Resistor? I have mentioned this before, that I really do not know what I am doing in making this layout, but someone emailed me about my ball park lights. He said that I might want to put a resistor on the line, to reduce the voltage going to the lights or they will burn out quickly. I am a bit confused, as having 64 bulbs at 1.5 volts I thought would require 96 volts or watts to light at the normal capacity. Any help with this, as I will also have about 30 streetlights in total with the same bulbs but on a different on off switch. All will be grain of wheat bulbs. Also, I have about 10 to 15 buildings with lights using 24 volt frosted bulbs on a separate on off switch. I have 5 AF water towers connected to the wires for the track. Am I doing something wrong by doing this with the bulbs. Thanks for any help and advice. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52867	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Hot Atlantic?

Here's a question: does anyone have a suggestion as to what could be making my 21160 Atlantic run hot? It is gradually melting a hole above the magnet and is very hot to the touch. Is this a problem anyone has dealt with? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52868	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: TV Alert - 8:00 PM EST Tonight

Hi All, Mike Rowe is performing locomotive work tonight on "Dirty Jobs". First showing is at 8:00 PM EST. I didn't check but usually it repeats a couple of hours later. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52869	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

Could be a short in the field coil winding or armature winding or more likely really worn brushes sparking and overheating the commutator. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hot Atlantic? Here's a question: does anyone have a suggestion as to what could be making my 21160 Atlantic run hot? It is gradually melting a hole above the magnet and is very hot to the touch. Is this a problem anyone has dealt with? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52870	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Re: TV

i Don and all -- Unfortunately, the new owners of the Grand Canyon RR did not see the value of steam operations, and they were discontinued last year and the locos put up for sale. Whether or not they got sold, or to whom, I don't know. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ I took the Williams trip several years ago. Diesel on the way up and steam on the way back. Trip was enjoyable with open window cars. Highlite was a train robbery by horse mounted "thieves" on the way back. Don Bladen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52871	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2009
Subject: Carl Tuveson

I just want to let the list know that Carl has really helped me out in private with a great detail email on how to wire the light towers. I really appreciate the time and help he gave me with this. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52872	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: TV

Exreme Trains was on last evening. I showed the guy going into the firebox to remove the bricks and clean it out. That had to be one heckuva job. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52873	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: TV

Bill, is that what the owners said, or is that your assessment? Those are the same guys who were staunch supporters of the Georgetown Loop Railroad, and in point of fact developed it from literally nothing to a steam operation. They were huge fans of steam. If what you say is true, they have done a 180. I wonder though, if there might not have been severe financial conditions, such as the upkeep of steam engines, the liability insurance required, and of course, what has to be a steep decline in riders due to the Greater Depression. Roy Inman on 2/24/09 8:49 PM, Scale S Only at scalesonly@... wrote: > > > > i Don and all -- > > Unfortunately, the new owners of the Grand Canyon RR did not see the value > of steam operations, and they were discontinued last year and the locos put > up for sale. Whether or not they got sold, or to whom, I don't know. > > Have fun! > Bill Winans > Prescott Valley, AZ > > I took the Williams trip several years ago. Diesel on the way up and steam > on the way back. Trip was enjoyable with open window cars. Highlite was a > train robbery by horse mounted "thieves" on the way back. > Don Bladen > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52874	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Dry Transfer Tips?

I'm in the process of trying to restore a 654 Pullman heavyweight. I've got some parts ordered, including the appropriate dry-transfer lettering. A few questions come to mind and I'm sure you all have some tips and suggestions that will help. First, what type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters? Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct? Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? Other suggestions? Thanks in advance, Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52875	From: William Porter	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

Hi Jim, I use a plastic, burnishing tool. It is made from a translucent, white plastic like nylon. I believe they are sold by Woodland Scenics and can be found in hobby shops. Tape is not a bad idea. First, press the piece of masking tape onto a piece of glass and then use it. That process seems to reduce the tackiness and reduces the risk of lifting paint. I do prefer to cover all decals and transfers with clear coats. I use gloss to hide the edges and sometimes put a couple of coats of Dullcoat over that if I want a flat or semi-gloss finish. Clear finishes protect the add-on graphics during normal handling and use. Otherwise, the get rubbed and flaked off in no time. Post some pictures for us to share in your enjoyment. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? I'm in the process of trying to restore a 654 Pullman heavyweight. I've got some parts ordered, including the appropriate dry-transfer lettering. A few questions come to mind and I'm sure you all have some tips and suggestions that will help. First, what type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters? Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct? Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? Other suggestions? Thanks in advance, Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52876	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Modern steam operations

Operating steam locomotives in this day and age is getting tougher every day. Without a doubt, the steam loco, much as I love them, is hugely labor intensive to maintain in operation. Parts and heavy machine work are nearly non-existant and very expensive. Worse yet, the skills to do this work are litterally dying off! FRA inspections were relaxed, but still are a problem, and insurance is a tough deal. Most of the major railroads don't want someone else's steam engine on their line either, so unless the loco owner owns the railroad, there's no place to play! Tourist lines usually have one or two OPERATING locos as maintaining and operating a fleet has become just too much in cost and manpower. Many operations which used to run steam daily have been forced to cut back to once a week or once a month. Tourist lines are also finding out that less people consider riding behind steam a necessity, in fact less people even want to ride trains! Time has marched on, and trains are less a part of everyday life all the time. And, of course, the economy is part of the problem. Those of us who have loved steam trains all our lives hate to see this, and many don't want to admit this is happening. But trying to stop the demise of steam locos is like trying to nail jello to a tree. No, I don't think it's time to give up hope, after all, there's still a LOT of folks in the world who love steam and will keep it alive! It is just going to get harder to find them running in the future. Stumpy Stone...lover of steam...eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52877	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: TV

Extreme trains originally aired on PBS, Tuesday eve about 10 PM. I missed recording one or two episodes. What network, day of the week and time are you receiving the show? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski >TV >Posted by: "A. E. Johnson" bigfoot@... >Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:41 am (PST) >Exreme Trains was on last evening. I showed the guy going into the firebox to remove the bricks and clean it out. That had to be one >heckuva job. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52878	From: rpuls3	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Original American Flyer transformers

Hi Group, I am writing to raise the question again on replacing the cords on a number of American Flyer transformers. I want to replace the cords because several of them are cracked and or the rubber insulation is splitting. I would like to replace them with cords having either a polarized plug or a grounded plug. Can anyone in the group tell me how I would wire the transformers with these new cords? Thanks,Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52879	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Grand Canyon Steam

Hi Roy and all -- It was announced in the paper about a year ago. The GCRwy was sold to a major entertainment group (6 Flags?) and the new owners were looking at the cost of steam... Sorry that I don't have better connections to the info, but maybe Gerry Evans can step in with more as the offices are right around the corner from him. Have fun! Bill Winans Bill, is that what the owners said, or is that your assessment? ---- I wonder though, if there might not have been severe financial conditions, such as the upkeep of steam engines, the liability insurance required, and of course, what has to be a steep decline in riders due to the Greater Depression. Roy Inman > Unfortunately, the new owners of the Grand Canyon RR did not see the value > of steam operations, and they were discontinued last year and the locos > put > up for sale. Whether or not they got sold, or to whom, I don't know. ---Bill W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52880	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern steam operations

Hi Stumpy -- The Brits even went so far as to build a brand new steam loco (a 4-6-2, I think) at a cost of 6,000,000 pounds (!) as I recall. Steam is dead, long live steam! Bill Winans Operating steam locomotives in this day and age is getting tougher every day. --- there's still a LOT of folks in the world who love steam and will keep it alive! Stumpy Stone...lover of steam...eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52881	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Modern Steam - Permits?

What kind of environmental permits, studies, impact statements, carbon foot-printing, plume modeling, etc. are required to operate a steam engine belching smoke, soot, CO, CO2, SOx, NOx, etc, etc into our environment? What federal, state and local permitting requirements need to be met? How do you measure the stack emissions to make sure you are operating within your permit? What is the fine for exceeding the permitted emission levels? What about all that steam and condensate you are blowing all over the environment? Not to mention all the grease, oil, etc that drips and goes flying all over the place and works its way into the ground water? It sounds like an environmental nightmare to me. How many environmental engineers and lawyers do you need to keep on staff to operate a steam engine? In addition to the costs of operating and maintaining a steam engine make sure you add all the environmental compliance costs! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52882	From: William Porter	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern steam operations

Hi Folks, Stumpy is eloquent as usual. It takes a serious commitment to this sort of history to keep it alive. There is always the Disney Empire. They run steamers every day on three continents. There are 4 here in Florida and another 5 in California. Paris, Tokyo and Hong Kong also have some, although I have not seen those with my own eyes. As I understand it, the Tokyo trains have no intermediate stops - just the full circle tour. If there were stops along the way, the Japanese transportation rules (of which there are many) would apply and certification would be an expensive issue. Here in Florida, there is an early-hours tour of the steam train shed at Walt Disney World, the trains and the maintenance facility - all available for interested folks. I have been to it once and plan to go again. They also show the monorails for a touch of electrification to go with the steam. Of course, these folks do own their own right of way and the equipment is spotless. They do not weather those engines! I have also ridden the Sugar Cane Train in Hawaii. It is no longer in spotless condition, but, it is a treat to ride on trains powered by those Porter (no relation) locos through public right of way routes adjacent to real commerce. Rail America owns and operates the Lahaina, Kaanapali and Pacific on Maui. I do have a few pictures and some additional information on my personal web site at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us <http://wpporter.duckburg.us/> for those with an interest in daily operations of real, live steam trains. Look on the Modern Steam pages. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:22 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Modern steam operations Operating steam locomotives in this day and age is getting tougher every day. Without a doubt, the steam loco, much as I love them, is hugely labor intensive to maintain in operation. Parts and heavy machine work are nearly non-existant and very expensive. Worse yet, the skills to do this work are litterally dying off! FRA inspections were relaxed, but still are a problem, and insurance is a tough deal. Most of the major railroads don't want someone else's steam engine on their line either, so unless the loco owner owns the railroad, there's no place to play! Tourist lines usually have one or two OPERATING locos as maintaining and operating a fleet has become just too much in cost and manpower. Many operations which used to run steam daily have been forced to cut back to once a week or once a month. Tourist lines are also finding out that less people consider riding behind steam a necessity, in fact less people even want to ride trains! Time has marched on, and trains are less a part of everyday life all the time. And, of course, the economy is part of the problem. Those of us who have loved steam trains all our lives hate to see this, and many don't want to admit this is happening. But trying to stop the demise of steam locos is like trying to nail jello to a tree. No, I don't think it's time to give up hope, after all, there's still a LOT of folks in the world who love steam and will keep it alive! It is just going to get harder to find them running in the future. Stumpy Stone...lover of steam...eastern Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52883	From: William Porter	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

Hi Ray, This topic has been pretty well beaten to death over the years. There are really two parts: Safety and Phasing. For transformers with a switch, both issues are resolved in message 49580. It includes a standard we can all embrace and which will lead to safe operation of transformers that are in phase when plugged into properly wired outlets. For unswitched transformers, you need to do a little trial and error to get it right. There are just two ways to wire in a new, grounded plug. If you have a switched transformer, wire that one correctly and then use it as a reference. If you have no switched transformer, follow Rhett's instructions to send him a reference transformer with return postage. I recommend you contact him first to see if his generous offer is still valid. Of course, if you do not plan to connect your transformers to trains that are not part of your layout, it won't matter what you use as a reference. You just need to follow the same procedure for all of your transformers. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rpuls3 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Original American Flyer transformers Hi Group, I am writing to raise the question again on replacing the cords on a number of American Flyer transformers. I want to replace the cords because several of them are cracked and or the rubber insulation is splitting. I would like to replace them with cords having either a polarized plug or a grounded plug. Can anyone in the group tell me how I would wire the transformers with these new cords? Thanks,Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52884	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Gender Bender...

In the current issue of "Model Railroad News" and more specifically in the "S Curves" column, prolific S author and aficionado D. Karnes writes, "...she is primarily interested in trouble-free operations..." She? This is maybe Lottie Steamchester? Box Car Annie? Hedda Hopper? Venetia Gondola? Coal Car Carrie? Flat Car Fannie? or She Of The Cute Caboose? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52885	From: workinalure	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman

To quote a phrase; "The recent reports of my demise have been greatly exagerated." I wish to thank my many concerned friends who tried to find me. I received many calls and e-mails. A little recent history - I started the battle with cancer in 2006. At that time I went back to full time work to get good medical insurance. I sold my AmericanFlyerTrains.com business in 2007 as I was afraid of leaving my family to dispose of an inventory they knew nothing about. I loved what I was doing but as the kids say, "oh well". All I kept was the original Royal Blue set that my dad gave me as a kid. Figured that I could just pass it on to the next generation. I walked away from my trains as I had other issues to deal with. As time passed and I started to win a few battles, I was drawn back to lurk in the S-Trains messages just to see what was going on in the hobby and with the group. I have recently re-joined the group because it was driving me nuts that I couldn't see the photos of Stumpy's creations or the progression of the Marmer menagerie. I am currently on the winning side of the cancer battle although this war will ultimately continue - hopefully until something else gets me. At that point, you can plant me in the tall corn behind the right field wall. For now I am gainfully employed (but for how long?)and sitting here watching my chance for a comfortable retirement go down the tubes. On the positive side, I stopped on my way into work this morning at our local hospital to meet my new grandson. Life goes on. Cool!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52886	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

HI Jim,   ===== What type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters?  =====   I actualy own a tool designed specifically for the application of dry-transfer lettering. It is found in craft stores and graphic arts supply stores. It looks like a thin plastic "pencil" with a small metal shaft at each end. On the end of the shaft is a formed "ball". There is a small one and large one for precise application. It is called a burnishing tool. It works great.   One small caution. Do not use a dried out ball point pen. They have a tendency to actually rip the letter sheet due to the friction.   ===== Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct?  =====   This is the best method I have found short of making an alignment jig out of small wood scraps.   =====  Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? =====   Absolutely. Regardless of how hard you burnish the lettering, it is only on top of the plactic / painted surface. A good satin finish coat from an airbrush will insure durability. ===== Other suggestions? =====   After the job is finished post some photos of the car in the photos section of the list.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52887	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern Steam - Permits?

Hi all -- According to the docent on the CATS (Cumbres and Toltec Scenic), the steam engines put out particulates that are not particularly harmfull, and the usual assortment of burning coal emmissions, but still less than the amount the autos gave off to get the patrons to the ride! The CATS did go through an EIS and was given a "clean" bill of health, so to speak. Have fun! Bill Winans What kind of environmental permits, studies, impact statements, carbon foot-printing, plume modeling, etc. are required to operate a steam engine belching smoke, soot, CO, CO2, SOx, NOx, etc, etc into our environment? What federal, state and local permitting requirements need to be met? How do you measure the stack emissions to make sure you are operating within your permit? What is the fine for exceeding the permitted emission levels? What about all that steam and condensate you are blowing all over the environment? Not to mention all the grease, oil, etc that drips and goes flying all over the place and works its way into the ground water? It sounds like an environmental nightmare to me. How many environmental engineers and lawyers do you need to keep on staff to operate a steam engine? In addition to the costs of operating and maintaining a steam engine make sure you add all the environmental compliance costs! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52888	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour

Robin and I went on it and other than getting up real early, it was by far my best experience with Disney World. It is much more than just a steam shed tour, they took us for a ride and explained a lot of the history and love that Walt had of steam engines. Don On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:21 AM, William Porter wrote: > Hi Folks, > > ....Here in Florida, there is an early-hours tour of the steam train > shed at > Walt Disney World, the trains and the maintenance facility - all > available > for interested folks. I have been to it once and plan to go again. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52889	From: william cole	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour

was in Disneyland and thought the railroad was the best part of the park...rode it a lot!!!....second was Pocahontas, who was telling the little kids that she slept in a tent at night...I asked her where she was from...she said Baltimore....I think she wouldn't sleep in a tent in Baltimore!..I could be wrong, but....<grins> ....third was Tigger, the bright orange big kitty cat! Bc   LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:44 PM Robin and I went on it and other than getting up real early, it was by far my best experience with Disney World. It is much more than just a steam shed tour, they took us for a ride and explained a lot of the history and love that Walt had of steam engines. Don On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:21 AM, William Porter wrote: > Hi Folks, > > ....Here in Florida, there is an early-hours tour of the steam train > shed at > Walt Disney World, the trains and the maintenance facility - all > available > for interested folks. I have been to it once and plan to go again. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52890	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: American Models

If anyone on this list owns any American Models GP 9's from about 1993 to 1996 could you let me know if the truck has a screw holding it to some metal over the truck? Thank you, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52891	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman

Mark, I am glad you are on the list again, just for being on it. I am very sorry to hear about your health situation and I just want to wish you the best. And the corn field can wait for a long time for you. Just kidding. Best to you, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52892	From: workinalure	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Mark, > > I am glad you are on the list again, just for being on it. > > I am very sorry to hear about your health situation and I just want to wish you the best. > > And the corn field can wait for a long time for you. Just kidding. > > Best to you, > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Thanks, Mike. Keep the stories coming!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52893	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: FBI Bulletin (Spoof)

HO HO HO --- On Sat, 2/21/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FBI Bulletin (Spoof) To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 5:51 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/1660014534/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=201& count=20& dir=asc The below Spoof written by my O Gauge friend, Dr. Joseph Lechner of Mount Vernon, Ohio, wrote a spoof to go with the above picture. O gaugers are a bit weird. No, he is a good friend. O:)! Mike Dingburg, MD - Maryland field office of Federal Bureau of Investigation issued an all points bulletin for a serial terrorist that is being colloquially referred to as the Telebomber in rural Chesapeake Bay counties. "This guy could potentially be as big a national security threat as the Unabomber", said field agents after surveying a crime scene near Dingburg. Telebomber sets small charges of C4 inside telephone booths and then detonates them using a citizens-band radio in his vehicle. In an era when most terrorist explosions are triggered using cell phones, which are much simpler and cheaper, Telebomber apparently prefers CB because he is fixated on 1950s technology. Indeed, his choice of targets is interesting since the folding-door glass-and-steel public telephone booth is itself a relic of the 1950s. Preservationists of Americana fear that the telephone booth may disappear completely since very few examples remain in the eastern USA. Sgt. Karl Marx of the Dingburg police department pointed out that the law-abiding Telebomber may be committing his crimes using a CB radio because the use of cell phones has been banned in Dingburg. Marx added that, fortunately, none of the phone booths so far has been occupied at the time of the explosion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52894	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: "Extreme Trains"

EXTREME TRAINS was on the HISTORY channel, 10 PM Tuesdays (EST), now on as a "filler", various times. Jim Lyle In a message dated 2/25/2009 10:38:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, chudgr@... writes: Extreme trains originally aired on PBS, Tuesday eve about 10 PM. I missed recording one or two episodes. What network, day of the week and time are you receiving the show? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52895	From: ai2q	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Steam in Maine

The Maine Narrow Gauge Railroad in Portland, Maine runs occasional steam locos. == Alex http://home.roadrunner.com/~alexmm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52896	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: The Falsely Reported Demise Of Eastside Trains

I just got an email reply from Steve Suskin (owner) of Eastside Trains in Kirkland, Washington. Steve just returned from a few days in New York City with Lionels 14 largest dealers. These are the dealers (including him)  that can still buy direct from Lionel. Steve stated, VERY Emphatically, that they are in business for the long haul and are  NOT, NOT, NOT closing. They have been in business for  26 years. eric reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52897	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

Thanks.  Makes sense.  i'll sheck out Hobby Lobby tomorrow. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Kulp" <cornwall9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:59:44 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? HI Jim,   ===== What type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters?  =====   I actualy own a tool designed specifically for the application of dry-transfer lettering. It is found in craft stores and graphic arts supply stores. It looks like a thin plastic "pencil" with a small metal shaft at each end. On the end of the shaft is a formed "ball". There is a small one and large one for precise application. It is called a burnishing tool. It works great.   One small caution. Do not use a dried out ball point pen. They have a tendency to actually rip the letter sheet due to the friction.   ===== Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct?  =====   This is the best method I have found short of making an alignment jig out of small wood scraps.   =====  Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? =====   Absolutely. Regardless of how hard you burnish the lettering, it is only on top of the plactic / painted surface. A good satin finish coat from an airbrush will insure durability. ===== Other suggestions? =====   After the job is finished post some photos of the car in the photos section of the list.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52898	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman

Congratulations on both the medical progress and the grandson!  Both are blessings!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "workinalure" <workinalure@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:24:27 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman To quote a phrase; "The recent reports of my demise have been greatly exagerated." I wish to thank my many concerned friends who tried to find me. I received many calls and e-mails. A little recent history - I started the battle with cancer in 2006. At that time I went back to full time work to get good medical insurance. I sold my AmericanFlyerTrains.com business in 2007 as I was afraid of leaving my family to dispose of an inventory they knew nothing about. I loved what I was doing but as the kids say, "oh well". All I kept was the original Royal Blue set that my dad gave me as a kid. Figured that I could just pass it on to the next generation. I walked away from my trains as I had other issues to deal with. As time passed and I started to win a few battles, I was drawn back to lurk in the S-Trains messages just to see what was going on in the hobby and with the group. I have recently re-joined the group because it was driving me nuts that I couldn't see the photos of Stumpy's creations or the progression of the Marmer menagerie. I am currently on the winning side of the cancer battle although this war will ultimately continue - hopefully until something else gets me. At that point, you can plant me in the tall corn behind the right field wall. For now I am gainfully employed (but for how long?)and sitting here watching my chance for a comfortable retirement go down the tubes. On the positive side, I stopped on my way into work this morning at our local hospital to meet my new grandson. Life goes on. Cool! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52899	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Crossover Wiring Question

OK, we all prefer AF to Lionel, that's a given, but the Lionel O people smugly say that crossovers are easy with a 3 rail track. I'll take their word for it, but how exactly do you wire in a #725 crossover? I was thrilled with my Christmas tree oval over the holidays after getting the 50 year trains from my childhood running again but now I have the bug and want to make the layout more complex. Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52900	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Modern Steam - Permits?

Hardly makes sense. There's more pollutants from all those requirements, bureaucrats, lawyers and monumental governmet paperwork than what is emitted from the stacks of those rare steam locomotive operations. We need to save the tax payers some money and let the big steamers roll! :-) Gary Chudzinski Modern Steam - Permits? Posted by: "Bull_Gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1 Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:36 am (PST) What kind of environmental permits, studies, impact statements, carbon foot-printing, plume modeling, etc. are required to operate a steam engine belching smoke, soot, CO, CO2, SOx, NOx, etc, etc into our environment? What federal, state and local permitting requirements need to be met? How do you measure the stack emissions to make sure you are operating within your permit? What is the fine for exceeding the permitted emission levels? What about all that steam and condensate you are blowing all over the environment? Not to mention all the grease, oil, etc that drips and goes flying all over the place and works its way into the ground water? It sounds like an environmental nightmare to me. How many environmental engineers and lawyers do you need to keep on staff to operate a steam engine? In addition to the costs of operating and maintaining a steam engine make sure you add all the environmental compliance costs! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52901	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

Now here is something I actaully know something about, not like those 96 volt transformers. LOL I actually use a pencil to rub a dry transfer. When pulling it back off, do it very slowly, just in case something did not transfer off. Then you can slowly put the transfer back to where it was and rub again. Repeat, as you might have to do this a couple of times at different places. If you look at my photo album, train table, I have a AF Milk Car dry transfer that I used a billboard sign. well, I got to get back to my transfer of the last Washington Senator's game from cassette to the computer, as I transfer it originally from 8 track! Audio I know, transformer? LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52902	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4375

The truck pivot and mounting function is, if I recall, provided by the same screw. It may be adjustable. Simply snap off the body to see. (I don’t keep the 4 body mounting screws in place for easier access to lube gears). Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4375 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNHE5MGpkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE 1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDaGRyBHNsawNocGgEc3RpbWUDMTI zNTYwMzk3NQ--> S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) 1a. Dry Transfer Tips? From: Jim Ensign 1b. Re: Dry Transfer Tips? From: William Porter 1c. Re: Dry Transfer Tips? From: Nick Kulp 1d. Re: Dry Transfer Tips? From: jimensign50@... 2a. Modern steam operations From: Stumpy Stone 2b. Re: Modern steam operations From: Scale S Only 2c. Re: Modern steam operations From: William Porter 2d. Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour From: Don Thompson 2e. Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour From: william cole 3a. TV From: Gary Chudzinski 4a. Original American Flyer transformers From: rpuls3 4b. Re: Original American Flyer transformers From: William Porter 5. Grand Canyon Steam From: Scale S Only 6a. Modern Steam - Permits? From: Bull_Gator_1 6b. Re: Modern Steam - Permits? From: Scale S Only 7. Gender Bender... From: Gerry Evans 8a. The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman From: workinalure 8b. Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman From: Michael and Linda Marmer 8c. Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman From: workinalure 8d. The Falsely Reported Demise Of Eastside Trains From: northline@... 8e. Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman From: jimensign50@... 9.1. American Models From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER 10a. Re: FBI Bulletin (Spoof) From: mike rosz 11. "Extreme Trains" From: WJJIM@... 12. Steam in Maine From: ai2q <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbmpncG5tBF9TAz k3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDYXRwYw RzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?xm=1&m=p&tidx=1> View All Topics | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNGNlc2ZtBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdG ltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Create New Topic Messages 1a. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52874;_ylc=X3oDMTJwcXVzajZtB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Dry Transfer Tips? Posted by: "Jim Ensign" <mailto:jimensign50@...?Subject=%20Re%3ADry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> jimensign50@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/hugoroundhouse> hugoroundhouse Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:03 am (PST) I'm in the process of trying to restore a 654 Pullman heavyweight. I've got some parts ordered, including the appropriate dry-transfer lettering. A few questions come to mind and I'm sure you all have some tips and suggestions that will help. First, what type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters? Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct? Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? Other suggestions? Thanks in advance, Jim E. Back to top <mailto:jimensign50@...?Subject=Re%3ADry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3ADry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwY2lqZjdiBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52874> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52874;_ylc=X3oDMTM1dGo3bzVnB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc0> Messages in this topic (4) 1b. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52875;_ylc=X3oDMTJwOWlna2FmB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Dry Transfer Tips? Posted by: "William Porter" <mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> wpporter@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/elgreatzot> elgreatzot Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:37 am (PST) Hi Jim, I use a plastic, burnishing tool. It is made from a translucent, white plastic like nylon. I believe they are sold by Woodland Scenics and can be found in hobby shops. Tape is not a bad idea. First, press the piece of masking tape onto a piece of glass and then use it. That process seems to reduce the tackiness and reduces the risk of lifting paint. I do prefer to cover all decals and transfers with clear coats. I use gloss to hide the edges and sometimes put a couple of coats of Dullcoat over that if I want a flat or semi-gloss finish. Clear finishes protect the add-on graphics during normal handling and use. Otherwise, the get rubbed and flaked off in no time. Post some pictures for us to share in your enjoyment. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:51 AM To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? I'm in the process of trying to restore a 654 Pullman heavyweight. I've got some parts ordered, including the appropriate dry-transfer lettering. A few questions come to mind and I'm sure you all have some tips and suggestions that will help. First, what type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters? Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct? Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? Other suggestions? Thanks in advance, Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F > Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwYW05a3NlBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NQRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52875> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52874;_ylc=X3oDMTM1aWhsMWl2B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc0> Messages in this topic (4) 1c. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52886;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZGJ0NGN0B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Dry Transfer Tips? Posted by: "Nick Kulp" <mailto:cornwall9@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> cornwall9@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/cornwall9> cornwall9 Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:22 am (PST) HI Jim, ===== What type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters? ===== I actualy own a tool designed specifically for the application of dry-transfer lettering. It is found in craft stores and graphic arts supply stores. It looks like a thin plastic "pencil" with a small metal shaft at each end. On the end of the shaft is a formed "ball". There is a small one and large one for precise application. It is called a burnishing tool. It works great. One small caution. Do not use a dried out ball point pen. They have a tendency to actually rip the letter sheet due to the friction. ===== Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct? ===== This is the best method I have found short of making an alignment jig out of small wood scraps. ===== Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? ===== Absolutely. Regardless of how hard you burnish the lettering, it is only on top of the plactic / painted surface. A good satin finish coat from an airbrush will insure durability. ===== Other suggestions? ===== After the job is finished post some photos of the car in the photos section of the list. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:cornwall9@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F > Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNTVwc2lhBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NgRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52886> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52874;_ylc=X3oDMTM1OTBmN3JmB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc0> Messages in this topic (4) 1d. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52897;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZXZtanRqB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Dry Transfer Tips? Posted by: "jimensign50@..." <mailto:jimensign50@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> jimensign50@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/hugoroundhouse> hugoroundhouse Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:19 pm (PST) Thanks. Makes sense. i'll sheck out Hobby Lobby tomorrow. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Kulp" < <mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com> cornwall9@...> To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:59:44 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? HI Jim, ===== What type of tool (or tools) have you found most useful in rubbing off the letters? ===== I actualy own a tool designed specifically for the application of dry-transfer lettering. It is found in craft stores and graphic arts supply stores. It looks like a thin plastic "pencil" with a small metal shaft at each end. On the end of the shaft is a formed "ball". There is a small one and large one for precise application. It is called a burnishing tool. It works great. One small caution. Do not use a dried out ball point pen. They have a tendency to actually rip the letter sheet due to the friction. ===== Do you tape the backing sheet on the car to keep the spacing and alignment correct? ===== This is the best method I have found short of making an alignment jig out of small wood scraps. ===== Should I spray the car with clear coat when the lettering is finished? ===== Absolutely. Regardless of how hard you burnish the lettering, it is only on top of the plactic / painted surface. A good satin finish coat from an airbrush will insure durability. ===== Other suggestions? ===== After the job is finished post some photos of the car in the photos section of the list. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:jimensign50@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Dry%20Transfer%20Tips%3F > Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbGJ2NHE2BF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NwRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52897> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52874;_ylc=X3oDMTM1OGI0Z2pyB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc0> Messages in this topic (4) 2a. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52876;_ylc=X3oDMTJwb2hsZXZ0B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Modern steam operations Posted by: "Stumpy Stone" <mailto:mrstumpy@...?Subject=%20Re%3AModern%20steam%20operations> mrstumpy@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/mrstumpy50> mrstumpy50 Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:37 am (PST) Operating steam locomotives in this day and age is getting tougher every day. Without a doubt, the steam loco, much as I love them, is hugely labor intensive to maintain in operation. Parts and heavy machine work are nearly non-existant and very expensive. Worse yet, the skills to do this work are litterally dying off! FRA inspections were relaxed, but still are a problem, and insurance is a tough deal. Most of the major railroads don't want someone else's steam engine on their line either, so unless the loco owner owns the railroad, there's no place to play! Tourist lines usually have one or two OPERATING locos as maintaining and operating a fleet has become just too much in cost and manpower. Many operations which used to run steam daily have been forced to cut back to once a week or once a month. Tourist lines are also finding out that less people consider riding behind steam a necessity, in fact less people even want to ride trains! Time has marched on, and trains are less a part of everyday life all the time. And, of course, the economy is part of the problem. Those of us who have loved steam trains all our lives hate to see this, and many don't want to admit this is happening. But trying to stop the demise of steam locos is like trying to nail jello to a tree. No, I don't think it's time to give up hope, after all, there's still a LOT of folks in the world who love steam and will keep it alive! It is just going to get harder to find them running in the future. Stumpy Stone...lover of steam...eastern Ahia Back to top <mailto:mrstumpy@...?Subject=Re%3AModern%20steam%20operations> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3AModern%20steam%20operations > Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwOGo1ZmhqBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NgRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52876> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52876;_ylc=X3oDMTM1Nm0wMWxjB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc2> Messages in this topic (5) 2b. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52880;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZXNuMzY2B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Modern steam operations Posted by: "Scale S Only" <mailto:scalesonly@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Modern%20steam%20operatio ns> scalesonly@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/scalesonly> scalesonly Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:15 am (PST) Hi Stumpy -- The Brits even went so far as to build a brand new steam loco (a 4-6-2, I think) at a cost of 6,000,000 pounds (!) as I recall. Steam is dead, long live steam! Bill Winans Operating steam locomotives in this day and age is getting tougher every day. --- there's still a LOT of folks in the world who love steam and will keep it alive! Stumpy Stone...lover of steam...eastern Ahia Back to top <mailto:scalesonly@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Modern%20steam%20operations> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Modern%20steam%20operati ons> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMWRubGtmBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52880> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52876;_ylc=X3oDMTM1ZzBoMmEzB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc2> Messages in this topic (5) 2c. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52882;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbHVkMDFrB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Modern steam operations Posted by: "William Porter" <mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Modern%20steam%20operation s> wpporter@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/elgreatzot> elgreatzot Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:36 am (PST) Hi Folks, Stumpy is eloquent as usual. It takes a serious commitment to this sort of history to keep it alive. There is always the Disney Empire. They run steamers every day on three continents. There are 4 here in Florida and another 5 in California. Paris, Tokyo and Hong Kong also have some, although I have not seen those with my own eyes. As I understand it, the Tokyo trains have no intermediate stops - just the full circle tour. If there were stops along the way, the Japanese transportation rules (of which there are many) would apply and certification would be an expensive issue. Here in Florida, there is an early-hours tour of the steam train shed at Walt Disney World, the trains and the maintenance facility - all available for interested folks. I have been to it once and plan to go again. They also show the monorails for a touch of electrification to go with the steam. Of course, these folks do own their own right of way and the equipment is spotless. They do not weather those engines! I have also ridden the Sugar Cane Train in Hawaii. It is no longer in spotless condition, but, it is a treat to ride on trains powered by those Porter (no relation) locos through public right of way routes adjacent to real commerce. Rail America owns and operates the Lahaina, Kaanapali and Pacific on Maui. I do have a few pictures and some additional information on my personal web site at: <http://wpporter.duckburg.us> http://wpporter.duckburg.us < <http://wpporter.duckburg.us/> http://wpporter.duckburg.us/> for those with an interest in daily operations of real, live steam trains. Look on the Modern Steam pages. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:22 AM To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Modern steam operations Operating steam locomotives in this day and age is getting tougher every day. Without a doubt, the steam loco, much as I love them, is hugely labor intensive to maintain in operation. Parts and heavy machine work are nearly non-existant and very expensive. Worse yet, the skills to do this work are litterally dying off! FRA inspections were relaxed, but still are a problem, and insurance is a tough deal. Most of the major railroads don't want someone else's steam engine on their line either, so unless the loco owner owns the railroad, there's no place to play! Tourist lines usually have one or two OPERATING locos as maintaining and operating a fleet has become just too much in cost and manpower. Many operations which used to run steam daily have been forced to cut back to once a week or once a month. Tourist lines are also finding out that less people consider riding behind steam a necessity, in fact less people even want to ride trains! Time has marched on, and trains are less a part of everyday life all the time. And, of course, the economy is part of the problem. Those of us who have loved steam trains all our lives hate to see this, and many don't want to admit this is happening. But trying to stop the demise of steam locos is like trying to nail jello to a tree. No, I don't think it's time to give up hope, after all, there's still a LOT of folks in the world who love steam and will keep it alive! It is just going to get harder to find them running in the future. Stumpy Stone...lover of steam...eastern Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Modern%20steam%20operations> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Modern%20steam%20operati ons> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwaTdlMHRnBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MgRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52882> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52876;_ylc=X3oDMTM1Y2U4bHMwB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc2> Messages in this topic (5) 2d. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52888;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbWk1NDBoB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4OARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour Posted by: "Don Thompson" <mailto:don@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Disney%20behind%20the%20scen es%20steam%20tour> don@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/dont08901> dont08901 Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:22 am (PST) Robin and I went on it and other than getting up real early, it was by far my best experience with Disney World. It is much more than just a steam shed tour, they took us for a ride and explained a lot of the history and love that Walt had of steam engines. Don On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:21 AM, William Porter wrote: > Hi Folks, > > ....Here in Florida, there is an early-hours tour of the steam train > shed at > Walt Disney World, the trains and the maintenance facility - all > available > for interested folks. I have been to it once and plan to go again. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:don@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Disney%20behind%20the%20scenes% 20steam%20tour> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Disney%20behind%20the%20 scenes%20steam%20tour> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbWYyYjdzBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4OARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52888> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52876;_ylc=X3oDMTM1ZnZ1aGpyB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4OARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc2> Messages in this topic (5) 2e. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52889;_ylc=X3oDMTJwcWMwcGhmB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4OQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour Posted by: "william cole" <mailto:billcwithonec@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Disney%20behind%20the%20s cenes%20steam%20tour> billcwithonec@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/billcwithonec> billcwithonec Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:13 am (PST) was in Disneyland and thought the railroad was the best part of the park...rode it a lot!!!....second was Pocahontas, who was telling the little kids that she slept in a tent at night...I asked her where she was from...she said Baltimore....I think she wouldn't sleep in a tent in Baltimore!..I could be wrong, but....<grins> ....third was Tigger, the bright orange big kitty cat! Bc <mailto:LOandS%40yahoogroups.com> LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ``Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007´´ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ <http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S> http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Don Thompson < <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson < <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Disney behind the scenes steam tour To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:44 PM Robin and I went on it and other than getting up real early, it was by far my best experience with Disney World. It is much more than just a steam shed tour, they took us for a ride and explained a lot of the history and love that Walt had of steam engines. Don On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:21 AM, William Porter wrote: > Hi Folks, > > ....Here in Florida, there is an early-hours tour of the steam train > shed at > Walt Disney World, the trains and the maintenance facility - all > available > for interested folks. I have been to it once and plan to go again. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:billcwithonec@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Disney%20behind%20the%20scen es%20steam%20tour> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Disney%20behind%20the%20 scenes%20steam%20tour> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMG5uczg1BF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4OQRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52889> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52876;_ylc=X3oDMTM1Y3IyaWZ2B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4OQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc2> Messages in this topic (5) 3a. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52877;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbm9vYjdzB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> TV Posted by: "Gary Chudzinski" <mailto:chudgr@...?Subject=%20Re%3ATV> chudgr@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/grchud> grchud Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:37 am (PST) Extreme trains originally aired on PBS, Tuesday eve about 10 PM. I missed recording one or two episodes. What network, day of the week and time are you receiving the show? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski >TV >Posted by: "A. E. Johnson" <mailto:bigfoot%40cyberback.com> bigfoot@... >Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:41 am (PST) >Exreme Trains was on last evening. I showed the guy going into the firebox to remove the bricks and clean it out. That had to be one >heckuva job. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:chudgr@...?Subject=Re%3ATV> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3ATV> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdmlyNWphBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NwRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52877> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52853;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MjRhdXZuB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3NwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODUz> Messages in this topic (8) 4a. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52878;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZTNmbjI1B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3OARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Original American Flyer transformers Posted by: "rpuls3" <mailto:rpuls3@...?Subject=%20Re%3AOriginal%20American%20Flyer%20trans formers> rpuls3@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/rpuls3> rpuls3 Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:48 am (PST) Hi Group, I am writing to raise the question again on replacing the cords on a number of American Flyer transformers. I want to replace the cords because several of them are cracked and or the rubber insulation is splitting. I would like to replace them with cords having either a polarized plug or a grounded plug. Can anyone in the group tell me how I would wire the transformers with these new cords? Thanks,Ray Back to top <mailto:rpuls3@...?Subject=Re%3AOriginal%20American%20Flyer%20transfor mers> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3AOriginal%20American%20Flyer %20transformers> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZzAzaDRtBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3OARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52878> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52878;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MGVxZHJuB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3OARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc4> Messages in this topic (2) 4b. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52883;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdDV0aDd0B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Original American Flyer transformers Posted by: "William Porter" <mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Original%20American%20Flye r%20transformers> wpporter@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/elgreatzot> elgreatzot Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:36 am (PST) Hi Ray, This topic has been pretty well beaten to death over the years. There are really two parts: Safety and Phasing. For transformers with a switch, both issues are resolved in message 49580. It includes a standard we can all embrace and which will lead to safe operation of transformers that are in phase when plugged into properly wired outlets. For unswitched transformers, you need to do a little trial and error to get it right. There are just two ways to wire in a new, grounded plug. If you have a switched transformer, wire that one correctly and then use it as a reference. If you have no switched transformer, follow Rhett's instructions to send him a reference transformer with return postage. I recommend you contact him first to see if his generous offer is still valid. Of course, if you do not plan to connect your transformers to trains that are not part of your layout, it won't matter what you use as a reference. You just need to follow the same procedure for all of your transformers. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rpuls3 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:40 AM To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Original American Flyer transformers Hi Group, I am writing to raise the question again on replacing the cords on a number of American Flyer transformers. I want to replace the cords because several of them are cracked and or the rubber insulation is splitting. I would like to replace them with cords having either a polarized plug or a grounded plug. Can anyone in the group tell me how I would wire the transformers with these new cords? Thanks,Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:wpporter@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Original%20American%20Flyer%2 0transformers> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Original%20American%20Fl yer%20transformers> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwN2c2ZXUxBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MwRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52883> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52878;_ylc=X3oDMTM1ZmxwM2JhB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc4> Messages in this topic (2) 5. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52879;_ylc=X3oDMTJwN2I1bGFpB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3OQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Grand Canyon Steam Posted by: "Scale S Only" <mailto:scalesonly@...?Subject=%20Re%3AGrand%20Canyon%20Steam> scalesonly@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/scalesonly> scalesonly Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:14 am (PST) Hi Roy and all -- It was announced in the paper about a year ago. The GCRwy was sold to a major entertainment group (6 Flags?) and the new owners were looking at the cost of steam... Sorry that I don't have better connections to the info, but maybe Gerry Evans can step in with more as the offices are right around the corner from him. Have fun! Bill Winans Bill, is that what the owners said, or is that your assessment? ---- I wonder though, if there might not have been severe financial conditions, such as the upkeep of steam engines, the liability insurance required, and of course, what has to be a steep decline in riders due to the Greater Depression. Roy Inman > Unfortunately, the new owners of the Grand Canyon RR did not see the value > of steam operations, and they were discontinued last year and the locos > put > up for sale. Whether or not they got sold, or to whom, I don't know. ---Bill W. Back to top <mailto:scalesonly@...?Subject=Re%3AGrand%20Canyon%20Steam> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3AGrand%20Canyon%20Steam> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwOGkwb2lhBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3OQRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52879> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52879;_ylc=X3oDMTM1cXRtM2E2B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg3OQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODc5> Messages in this topic (1) 6a. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52881;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMWZjdTloB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Modern Steam - Permits? Posted by: "Bull_Gator_1" <mailto:bull_gator_1@...?Subject=%20Re%3AModern%20Steam%20%20-%20Permi ts%3F> bull_gator_1@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/bull_gator_1> bull_gator_1 Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:36 am (PST) What kind of environmental permits, studies, impact statements, carbon foot-printing, plume modeling, etc. are required to operate a steam engine belching smoke, soot, CO, CO2, SOx, NOx, etc, etc into our environment? What federal, state and local permitting requirements need to be met? How do you measure the stack emissions to make sure you are operating within your permit? What is the fine for exceeding the permitted emission levels? What about all that steam and condensate you are blowing all over the environment? Not to mention all the grease, oil, etc that drips and goes flying all over the place and works its way into the ground water? It sounds like an environmental nightmare to me. How many environmental engineers and lawyers do you need to keep on staff to operate a steam engine? In addition to the costs of operating and maintaining a steam engine make sure you add all the environmental compliance costs! BG1 Back to top <mailto:bull_gator_1@...?Subject=Re%3AModern%20Steam%20%20-%20Permits% 3F> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3AModern%20Steam%20%20-%20Per mits%3F> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwc3NuZmlsBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MQRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52881> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52881;_ylc=X3oDMTM1OTByMHE4B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4MQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODgx> Messages in this topic (2) 6b. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52887;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNHJhYnQ1B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: Modern Steam - Permits? Posted by: "Scale S Only" <mailto:scalesonly@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Modern%20Steam%20%20-%20P ermits%3F> scalesonly@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/scalesonly> scalesonly Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:22 am (PST) Hi all -- According to the docent on the CATS (Cumbres and Toltec Scenic), the steam engines put out particulates that are not particularly harmfull, and the usual assortment of burning coal emmissions, but still less than the amount the autos gave off to get the patrons to the ride! The CATS did go through an EIS and was given a "clean" bill of health, so to speak. Have fun! Bill Winans What kind of environmental permits, studies, impact statements, carbon foot-printing, plume modeling, etc. are required to operate a steam engine belching smoke, soot, CO, CO2, SOx, NOx, etc, etc into our environment? What federal, state and local permitting requirements need to be met? How do you measure the stack emissions to make sure you are operating within your permit? What is the fine for exceeding the permitted emission levels? What about all that steam and condensate you are blowing all over the environment? Not to mention all the grease, oil, etc that drips and goes flying all over the place and works its way into the ground water? It sounds like an environmental nightmare to me. How many environmental engineers and lawyers do you need to keep on staff to operate a steam engine? In addition to the costs of operating and maintaining a steam engine make sure you add all the environmental compliance costs! BG1 Back to top <mailto:scalesonly@...?Subject=Re%3A%20Modern%20Steam%20%20-%20Perm its%3F> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Modern%20Steam%20%20-%20 Permits%3F> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwY2lnc2t1BF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NwRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52887> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52881;_ylc=X3oDMTM1bTYzYmxsB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NwRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODgx> Messages in this topic (2) 7. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52884;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMjRqa2MwB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Gender Bender... Posted by: "Gerry Evans" <mailto:bestofshow@...?Subject=%20Re%3AGender%20Bender%2E%2E%2E> bestofshow@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/gerrye2> gerrye2 Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:58 am (PST) In the current issue of "Model Railroad News" and more specifically in the "S Curves" column, prolific S author and aficionado D. Karnes writes, "...she is primarily interested in trouble-free operations..." She? This is maybe Lottie Steamchester? Box Car Annie? Hedda Hopper? Venetia Gondola? Coal Car Carrie? Flat Car Fannie? or She Of The Cute Caboose? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:bestofshow@...?Subject=Re%3AGender%20Bender%2E%2E%2E> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3AGender%20Bender%2E%2E%2E> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwcmlvbzRnBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52884> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52884;_ylc=X3oDMTM1N2wzaGQ3B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODg0> Messages in this topic (1) 8a. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52885;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbzUzbTlzB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman Posted by: "workinalure" <mailto:workinalure@...?Subject=%20Re%3AThe%20Reported%20Demise%20Of%2 0Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> workinalure@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/workinalure> workinalure Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:28 am (PST) To quote a phrase; "The recent reports of my demise have been greatly exagerated." I wish to thank my many concerned friends who tried to find me. I received many calls and e-mails. A little recent history - I started the battle with cancer in 2006. At that time I went back to full time work to get good medical insurance. I sold my AmericanFlyerTrains.com business in 2007 as I was afraid of leaving my family to dispose of an inventory they knew nothing about. I loved what I was doing but as the kids say, "oh well". All I kept was the original Royal Blue set that my dad gave me as a kid. Figured that I could just pass it on to the next generation. I walked away from my trains as I had other issues to deal with. As time passed and I started to win a few battles, I was drawn back to lurk in the S-Trains messages just to see what was going on in the hobby and with the group. I have recently re-joined the group because it was driving me nuts that I couldn't see the photos of Stumpy's creations or the progression of the Marmer menagerie. I am currently on the winning side of the cancer battle although this war will ultimately continue - hopefully until something else gets me. At that point, you can plant me in the tall corn behind the right field wall. For now I am gainfully employed (but for how long?)and sitting here watching my chance for a comfortable retirement go down the tubes. On the positive side, I stopped on my way into work this morning at our local hospital to meet my new grandson. Life goes on. Cool! Back to top <mailto:workinalure@...?Subject=Re%3AThe%20Reported%20Demise%20Of%20Ma rk%20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3AThe%20Reported%20Demise%20O f%20Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZjhtYTVnBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NQRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52885> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52885;_ylc=X3oDMTM1ZmM5Z2xoB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg4NQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODg1> Messages in this topic (5) 8b. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52891;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNmEwOHNmB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5MQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise%20Of%20M ark%20B%2E%20Preman> mlmarmer@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/mlmarmer2000> mlmarmer2000 Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:14 am (PST) Mark, I am glad you are on the list again, just for being on it. I am very sorry to hear about your health situation and I just want to wish you the best. And the corn field can wait for a long time for you. Just kidding. Best to you, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:mlmarmer@...?Subject=Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise%20Of%20Mark %20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise% 20Of%20Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwcWJnY2FqBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5MQRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52891> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52885;_ylc=X3oDMTM1cnN0Ym84B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5MQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODg1> Messages in this topic (5) 8c. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52892;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZXUzdG1wB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5MgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman Posted by: "workinalure" <mailto:workinalure@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise%20O f%20Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> workinalure@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/workinalure> workinalure Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:34 am (PST) --- In <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Mark, > > I am glad you are on the list again, just for being on it. > > I am very sorry to hear about your health situation and I just want to wish you the best. > > And the corn field can wait for a long time for you. Just kidding. > > Best to you, > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Thanks, Mike. Keep the stories coming! Back to top <mailto:workinalure@...?Subject=Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise%20Of%2 0Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise% 20Of%20Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdnVkNzFjBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5MgRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52892> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52885;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MzQ4YTRxB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5MgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODg1> Messages in this topic (5) 8d. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52896;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZTVibzQ3B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> The Falsely Reported Demise Of Eastside Trains Posted by: "northline@..." <mailto:northline@...?Subject=%20Re%3AThe%20Falsely%20Reported%20Dem ise%20Of%20Eastside%20Trains> northline@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/traintracks01> traintracks01 Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:19 pm (PST) I just got an email reply from Steve Suskin (owner) of Eastside Trains in Kirkland, Washington. Steve just returned from a few days in New York City with Lionels 14 largest dealers. These are the dealers (including him) that can still buy direct from Lionel. Steve stated, VERY Emphatically, that they are in business for the long haul and are NOT, NOT, NOT closing. They have been in business for 26 years. eric reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:northline@...?Subject=Re%3AThe%20Falsely%20Reported%20Demise %20Of%20Eastside%20Trains> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3AThe%20Falsely%20Reported%20 Demise%20Of%20Eastside%20Trains> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZTVocTI4BF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NgRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52896> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52885;_ylc=X3oDMTM1YzEzYWpmB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NgRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODg1> Messages in this topic (5) 8e. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52898;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNWFtbm92B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5OARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Re: The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman Posted by: "jimensign50@..." <mailto:jimensign50@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise%2 0Of%20Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> jimensign50@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/hugoroundhouse> hugoroundhouse Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:19 pm (PST) Congratulations on both the medical progress and the grandson! Both are blessings!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "workinalure" < <mailto:workinalure%40yahoo.com> workinalure@...> To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:24:27 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Reported Demise Of Mark B. Preman To quote a phrase; "The recent reports of my demise have been greatly exagerated." I wish to thank my many concerned friends who tried to find me. I received many calls and e-mails. A little recent history - I started the battle with cancer in 2006. At that time I went back to full time work to get good medical insurance. I sold my AmericanFlyerTrains.com business in 2007 as I was afraid of leaving my family to dispose of an inventory they knew nothing about. I loved what I was doing but as the kids say, "oh well". All I kept was the original Royal Blue set that my dad gave me as a kid. Figured that I could just pass it on to the next generation. I walked away from my trains as I had other issues to deal with. As time passed and I started to win a few battles, I was drawn back to lurk in the S-Trains messages just to see what was going on in the hobby and with the group. I have recently re-joined the group because it was driving me nuts that I couldn't see the photos of Stumpy's creations or the progression of the Marmer menagerie. I am currently on the winning side of the cancer battle although this war will ultimately continue - hopefully until something else gets me. At that point, you can plant me in the tall corn behind the right field wall. For now I am gainfully employed (but for how long?)and sitting here watching my chance for a comfortable retirement go down the tubes. On the positive side, I stopped on my way into work this morning at our local hospital to meet my new grandson. Life goes on. Cool! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:jimensign50@...?Subject=Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise%20Of %20Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20The%20Reported%20Demise% 20Of%20Mark%20B%2E%20Preman> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZHZlYWIxBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5OARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52898> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52885;_ylc=X3oDMTM1bWs2cnMwB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5OARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODg1> Messages in this topic (5) 9.1. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52890;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMWtmbzNsB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5MARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> American Models Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mailto:mlmarmer@...?Subject=%20Re%3AAmerican%20Models> mlmarmer@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/mlmarmer2000> mlmarmer2000 Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:14 am (PST) If anyone on this list owns any American Models GP 9's from about 1993 to 1996 could you let me know if the truck has a screw holding it to some metal over the truck? 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O gaugers are a bit weird. No, he is a good friend. O:)! Mike Dingburg, MD - Maryland field office of Federal Bureau of Investigation issued an all points bulletin for a serial terrorist that is being colloquially referred to as the Telebomber in rural Chesapeake Bay counties. "This guy could potentially be as big a national security threat as the Unabomber", said field agents after surveying a crime scene near Dingburg. Telebomber sets small charges of C4 inside telephone booths and then detonates them using a citizens-band radio in his vehicle. In an era when most terrorist explosions are triggered using cell phones, which are much simpler and cheaper, Telebomber apparently prefers CB because he is fixated on 1950s technology. Indeed, his choice of targets is interesting since the folding-door glass-and-steel public telephone booth is itself a relic of the 1950s. Preservationists of Americana fear that the telephone booth may disappear completely since very few examples remain in the eastern USA. Sgt. Karl Marx of the Dingburg police department pointed out that the law-abiding Telebomber may be committing his crimes using a CB radio because the use of cell phones has been banned in Dingburg. Marx added that, fortunately, none of the phone booths so far has been occupied at the time of the explosion. 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Jim Lyle In a message dated 2/25/2009 10:38:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, <mailto:chudgr%40earthlink.net> chudgr@... writes: Extreme trains originally aired on PBS, Tuesday eve about 10 PM. I missed recording one or two episodes. What network, day of the week and time are you receiving the show? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ( <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top <mailto:WJJIM@...?Subject=Re%3A%22Extreme%20Trains%22> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%22Extreme%20Trains%22> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZzNiOGhtBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NARzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52894> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52894;_ylc=X3oDMTM1cG1qazMyB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODk0> Messages in this topic (1) 12. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52895;_ylc=X3oDMTJwc2NuMHQzB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> Steam in Maine Posted by: "ai2q" <mailto:ai2q@...?Subject=%20Re%3ASteam%20in%20Maine> ai2q@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ai2q> ai2q Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:06 pm (PST) The Maine Narrow Gauge Railroad in Portland, Maine runs occasional steam locos. == Alex <http://home.roadrunner.com/~alexmm> http://home.roadrunner.com/~alexmm Back to top <mailto:ai2q@...?Subject=Re%3ASteam%20in%20Maine> Reply to sender | <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3ASteam%20in%20Maine> Reply to group | <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbjI4cXNqBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NQRzZWMDZG1zZw RzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1?act=reply&messageNum=52895> Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52895;_ylc=X3oDMTM1NWczaHJyB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Mjg5NQRzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1BHRwY0lkAzUyODk1> Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity * 4 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYmsxcHZpBF9TAzk 3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwR zdGltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> New Members * 37 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZ3U1ZHVnBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzd GltZQMxMjM1NjAzOTc1> New Photos <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcGltcTkxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE 1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE yMzU2MDM5NzU-> Visit Your Group Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52903	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2009
Subject: Re: Modern Steam - Permits?

In a message dated 2/25/2009 8:06:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chudgr@... writes: What about all that steam and condensate you are blowing all over the environment Steam should revert back to water, mostly sterilized by boiling (as in steam). Condensate is water in this case. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52904	From: Barry	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Grand River Models detail parts now available

WARNING: Shameless self-promotion below. Just a note to let everyone know that, due to popular demand, I'm now offering some of the parts from my kits separately. It seems a lot of you want to add more detail to them or you're finding other places to put the parts. Here's the link: http://grandrivermodels.com/catalog_kit_details.html I'm starting with the water tank, billboard, crossbucks/derail/wheelstops, wooden pallets, forklift, and veggie stands. I'll be expanding the selection over the next few weeks. Barry Grand River Models somewhere near Toronto

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52905	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > ... but how exactly do you wire in a #725 crossover? ??? There's nothing to wire. It's just two pieces of track that cross each other. If you're actually asking about reverse loops, that's something else. Your best bet is to avoid reverse loops at first. Otherwise, there are lots of books that tell how to do it. But I can't explain it with just words, you need to see the diagrams. Sorry.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52906	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models

I have to fill in the rest with what is going on, as it is very sad. when I wrote about my engine problem, Bill said to email AM about it. I did as Ron Bashista wrote me as I sent him pictures of the problem, broken screw hole on the truck and that the engine does not run as I never ran it before, as I had it for 14 years thinking I will get that layout going soon. Well, that did not happen till 2008 so I tried to run it. Nothing. I am running DCC so I probably would not be using it anyway, but still something happen to it and I thought I would ask. Ron denied that it was his as he never saw a AM engine with the screw like that. He lied, as someone else emailed me it is. Then he denied it was his engine at all. I have the original box, and it says AM inside the shell, they still sale the same model GP 9. I have not heard back from him. The man lied to me about his product. Okay, you do not want to take care of the product due to time, I can understand that. but how he approach the problem was totally wrong in telling me it was not his nor did his product have a screw that way. Tom H. offered to fix it for me, just for the cost of parts and postage, as that was very kind of him. Don Thompson offered to fix it. A operator and a owner of a competing company should not have to do this for me. Ron could of fix it in total, offered me a partial payment for the fix or just say sorry I can do anything for you due to time. But to lie? If I do not hear from Ron in a few days, I am giving the engine to Tom for his own use, whether he runs it or sells it, when he fixes it, as I really have no use for it, since I am using DCC, but I thought I would ask and I see the true character of the company. Maybe they are good for some of you, but I have no plans on buying any rolling stock in the future, as I do have some AM on my layout. No more. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models > Hi Mike -- > > I have never had a problem with American Models helping me out. Take a > picture of the defective part so Ron (or his son) will know what you are > talking about. Worst case, you will have to pay for the replacement > part(s), usually. Don't give up so easily, but make your case clearly > with > photos. > > What you should have is a frame member that goes up and over the truck > that > the retaining/pivot screw goes through. It screws into the top of the > truck > into a boss made from both sides of the truck gearbox (that should be > threaded internally). > > I have some used/spare trucks that I can send you for a reasonable price, > if > that is what you need. > > In a personal copy to you, Mike, I have attached photos of my GP chassis. > It has been remotored, but is otherwise stock as far as your apparent > problem is concerned. > > Good luck! > Bill Winans > > If anyone on this list owns any American Models GP 9's from about 1993 to > 1996 could you let me know if the truck has a screw holding it to some > metal > over the truck? > > Thank you, > Mike Marmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52907	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models

Hi Mike -- I have never had a problem with American Models helping me out. Take a picture of the defective part so Ron (or his son) will know what you are talking about. Worst case, you will have to pay for the replacement part(s), usually. Don't give up so easily, but make your case clearly with photos. What you should have is a frame member that goes up and over the truck that the retaining/pivot screw goes through. It screws into the top of the truck into a boss made from both sides of the truck gearbox (that should be threaded internally). I have some used/spare trucks that I can send you for a reasonable price, if that is what you need. In a personal copy to you, Mike, I have attached photos of my GP chassis. It has been remotored, but is otherwise stock as far as your apparent problem is concerned. Good luck! Bill Winans If anyone on this list owns any American Models GP 9's from about 1993 to 1996 could you let me know if the truck has a screw holding it to some metal over the truck? Thank you, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52908	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

I too use a pencil; a dull # 2. The advantage, I have found, is that the pencil leaves lead on the transfer paper, indicating to me where I have rubbed and not. Then I can cover any very small missed areas which may cause the transfer to lift off of the application surface as I remove the transfer paper. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? Now here is something I actaully know something about, not like those 96 volt transformers. LOL I actually use a pencil to rub a dry transfer. When pulling it back off, do it very slowly, just in case something did not transfer off. Then you can slowly put the transfer back to where it was and rub again. Repeat, as you might have to do this a couple of times at different places. If you look at my photo album, train table, I have a AF Milk Car dry transfer that I used a billboard sign. well, I got to get back to my transfer of the last Washington Senator's game from cassette to the computer, as I transfer it originally from 8 track! Audio I know, transformer? LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52909	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

I have now seen, I think, every episode which aired at 10pm EST on Tuesday nights. As pointed out, it has now entered History Channel's "marathon" status, so the other day it was on again back to back all day. While there is good information to be had, it is buried in a poorly done show. The problem I have with this show is two fold. First, the host is an idiot, or at least acts like one. He acts as if he's playing to children, not the adult History veiwer at ten o'clock at night. Second, the show is shot with the ridculous style of cutting back and forth violently and speeding/slowing/speeding the footage, a style popular with today's kids. This again doesn't work for History Channel's veiwers who are not kids and would rather see a scene long enough to actually see what's going on. Actually, even the title of the series "Extreme" smacks of "kidspeak" over-hype, not intelligence. A much better series was "Trains Unlimited" which was well done, informative, and the veiwer's intelligence was not insulted as with "Extreme Trains." Episodes of this are being rerun over on History International from time to time. Unfortunately, it is becoming quite dated, having been done in the mid-nineties. And that's your TV reveiw for today... ;-) Stumpy Stone...getting to be a crotchety old guy...in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52910	From: G C	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

Thanks Stumpy, Unfortunately, not everyone is able to view Trains and Locomotives on RFD. I happen to subscribe to DirecTV. The programs on this show are well worth the time as they were all done as well done marketable films that I believe can still be purchased individually. Sometimes they involve very old film footage from as far back as the 30s. Other times, they were filmed in the 80s and 90s. I really enjoy the ones that center on earlier footage from many of the now extinct railroads. Some shows center on the tourist steam enterprises. They are interesting in that you get to see steam or earlier diesel locomotives that where thoughtfully saved and redone in some new paint scheme. This was done largely for profit of course. Another show of interest is the Voyages series on the History Channel. Not all of these are on trains, but a few are. These are at least worthy of the adult viewers time. They don't require the visual acuity of a modern test pilot or well experienced video game player to watch. The yelling and screaming on the part of Matt combined with the the "visual histrionics" force me to turn the TV off and go read. I'm not saying that there is not some good info on the show, but the format stinks. History Channel has gone to extremes to lure a viewing audience. My other interest is Paleontology, and their Jurassic Fight Club series also had a host I wanted to strangle. Although, the guy didn't scream quite as loudly as Matt, I still found him annoying. I suppose the bottom line is that History Channel truly believes that in order to get people to watch something with factual information, they have to somehow make it "exciting" to the viewer. Well this 64 year old viewer still thinks, reads and communicates with others about things of interest. I don't need the added special effects to hold my attention. I say let the trains, dinosaurs and other monsters speak for themselves. Off the soap box now! Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52911	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Gilbert Cardboard Circus

Does anyone know where one might obtain a reproduction of the Gilbert American Flyer cardboard Circus. Greenburg sold a repro several years ago but has since discontinued doing so. Was there a problem with Lionel? Anyway, I'd appreciate any info. Thanks. The Prell Guy   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52912	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

Thanks for the pencil tip -- no pun intended! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:41:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? I too use a pencil; a dull # 2. The advantage, I have found, is that the pencil leaves lead on the transfer paper, indicating to me where I have rubbed and not. Then I can cover any very small missed areas which may cause the transfer to lift off of the application surface as I remove the transfer paper. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? Now here is something I actaully know something about, not like those 96 volt transformers. LOL I actually use a pencil to rub a dry transfer. When pulling it back off, do it very slowly, just in case something did not transfer off. Then you can slowly put the transfer back to where it was and rub again. Repeat, as you might have to do this a couple of times at different places. If you look at my photo album, train table, I have a AF Milk Car dry transfer that I used a billboard sign. well, I got to get back to my transfer of the last Washington Senator's game from cassette to the computer, as I transfer it originally from 8 track! Audio I know, transformer? LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52913	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

Stumpy, I agree with every one of your criticisms. The one key thing that you are not taking into account is that this series, as is the case with the majority of programming on the so called History Channel, is geared toward "children". By that I mean viewers from the age of 18 to, for the sake of arguement, let's say, 35. That's why the host acts like an idiot. That's why the camera work and editing, if it can be called that, sucks. This is the "style" that attracks this age group. We,and by this I mean anyone over the age of 50, are used to a different delivery; the type that uses grammer that actually sounds professional, camera and editing that actually serves a purpose other than to point out a visual gimmick. The differences between a program covering Lincoln's death and "Extreme Trains". It's all about audience appeal. Different generation doing it differently for the younger crowd.Did you happen to catch the expressions on some of the engineers and train crews faces when they had to interact with the host? Priceless! Keep up the good work, Man!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 8:07 AM I have now seen, I think, every episode which aired at 10pm EST on Tuesday nights. As pointed out, it has now entered History Channel's "marathon" status, so the other day it was on again back to back all day. While there is good information to be had, it is buried in a poorly done show. The problem I have with this show is two fold. First, the host is an idiot, or at least acts like one. He acts as if he's playing to children, not the adult History veiwer at ten o'clock at night. Second, the show is shot with the ridculous style of cutting back and forth violently and speeding/slowing/ speeding the footage, a style popular with today's kids. This again doesn't work for History Channel's veiwers who are not kids and would rather see a scene long enough to actually see what's going on. Actually, even the title of the series "Extreme" smacks of "kidspeak" over-hype, not intelligence. A much better series was "Trains Unlimited" which was well done, informative, and the veiwer's intelligence was not insulted as with "Extreme Trains." Episodes of this are being rerun over on History International from time to time. Unfortunately, it is becoming quite dated, having been done in the mid-nineties. And that's your TV reveiw for today... ;-) Stumpy Stone...getting to be a crotchety old guy...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52914	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Modern Steam - Permits?

So where do all the metals in the water go? Unless they are using treated water, the metals are either in the condensate or they must plate out on the boiler tubes and the boiler effeciency would drop quickly. If they are using treated water then the treatment chemicals concentrate in the boiler and must be "blown down" creating another waste stream to the environment. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/25/2009 8:06:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > chudgr@... writes: > > What about all that steam and > condensate you are blowing all over the environment > > Steam should revert back to water, mostly sterilized by boiling (as in > steam). Condensate is water in this case. > > Jim Lyle > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52915	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Randall Hicks" <randallhicks@...> wrote: > If you're actually asking about reverse loops, that's something else. > Your best bet is to avoid reverse loops at first. That's very helpful. "Reverse loop" is what I need to research. But does one crossover need one? Thank you very much for your response.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52916	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

Jim, Rim shot in the background. I am not sure if you where the one asking originally, but it is not that difficult to do, as I never did one before. Came out real nice. Take your time, have it centered and flat on the piece, rub, pull back slowly, no puns intended I can hear it now, return the rub on back into position if things are still on the piece of paper. The above was not meant to be anything but about the rub on decals. Next topic, dirtballs. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? Thanks for the pencil tip -- no pun intended! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:41:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? I too use a pencil; a dull # 2. The advantage, I have found, is that the pencil leaves lead on the transfer paper, indicating to me where I have rubbed and not. Then I can cover any very small missed areas which may cause the transfer to lift off of the application surface as I remove the transfer paper. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? Now here is something I actaully know something about, not like those 96 volt transformers. LOL I actually use a pencil to rub a dry transfer. When pulling it back off, do it very slowly, just in case something did not transfer off. Then you can slowly put the transfer back to where it was and rub again. Repeat, as you might have to do this a couple of times at different places. If you look at my photo album, train table, I have a AF Milk Car dry transfer that I used a billboard sign. well, I got to get back to my transfer of the last Washington Senator's game from cassette to the computer, as I transfer it originally from 8 track! Audio I know, transformer? LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52917	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

Stumpy,   You hit the nail on the head. The material was good, the "host" was not up to the caliber of an informed documentary host. If I would have heard his favorite statement, "It's INSANE", one more time, I might have needed a new TV. The irritating cuts to Steamtown every week became a bit much as well. There is a lot of vintage footage around to cover the material they used.   I have several friends that are professional railroaders that said if he would have showed up on thier job, they would have stuffed him into an empty tank car and sent him across the desert on a slow freight.   Grumpy in Central Pa., Nick   I was hoping for a show similar to Ice Road Truckers or Axemen. At least they kept me interested. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52918	From: Glenn	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: TRAIN CAUSED FIRE

This was probably caused by a "hot box". When they had cabooses the staff in the caboose would see this before it was a major problem. Quite a tragedy. http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-rockyflats-fires-022409,0,5297986.story Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52919	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Workin on the Railroad Episode Guide

Hi All, Here is a link to all of the Workin on the Railroad episodes on the DYI Network: http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/episode_archive/0,2019,DIY_23302_545,00.h tml As with Extreme Trains I find the host a little difficult sometimes but the show is still watchable and offers some good insight. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52920	From: David Engle	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: TRAIN CAUSED FIRE

The type of friction bearing that normally causes a "hot-box" has been banned from interchange since 1997, as I understand. There could be other sources of heat/fire, and roller bearings have been known to fail, though usually that is an axle that cuts itself to failure. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: A/S-Trains Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] TRAIN CAUSED FIRE This was probably caused by a "hot box". When they had cabooses the staff in the caboose would see this before it was a major problem. Quite a tragedy. http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-rockyflats-fires-022409,0,5297986.story Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52921	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael . . . Marmer . . . . . . . . Maybe they are good for some of you, but I have no plans on buying any rolling stock in the future, as I do have some AM on my layout. > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't make such a radical decision. You just need to buy from a dealer whom you can take problems back to. (But not me; I do train shows only.) Several people have told me they'd rather deal with me than try to communicate with Mr B. He's not necessarily a bad person, just overly defensive. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52922	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > That's very helpful. "Reverse loop" is what I need to research. But > does one crossover need one? > Let's go right to the source, courtesy of Chuck Harrington: http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1954Catalog/AF_1954_catalog_page33.htm Gilbert catalogs usually included suggested track plans. They all have no reverse loops, so usually no special wiring is needed. In the top left corner, there's a simple figure-8 with a crossover and no switches; just hook up a single track clip and go. Second row, second from left, is a figure-8 with two switches to make an outside loop. Here you should install the track clip between the two switches. A couple of the others include a crossover and many more switches. Have fun!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52923	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models

Michael, et al; I think that Ron at AM is his business¹s own worst enemy. His intentions are good and true. He began offering S equipment, RTR, when hardly anyone else did; and there wasn¹t even much available in kits. But from my nearly 15 years experience in dealing with him and lurking on the lists, I believe that he is just not the best at handling customers. I recall when I first got into S, I was anxious for any and all information I could get on what was available. I called AM and talked to Ron (my first conversation with him), and asked if I could get a catalog of his offerings. His response was ³Are you going to buy something?² I said, probably, if I were allowed to know what was available. I think any other manufacturer in any other business would be enthusiastic about just getting a catalog in the hands of an obviously interested S train enthusiast. He did send me some info and I did buy quite a few somethings, BTW. I will say that his son has been very responsive to my emails and in providing parts and help. Not to draw too close a comparison, but few people naturally possess the manufacturing savvy, business skills, feel for market demands and customer service instincts of Don Thompson at SHS. AM does produce some outstanding stuff in S, and continues to offer things no one else does, such as a scale die-cast Northern. But I learned pretty early on in my own business that these days especially, customer service is the name of the game. In this internet age, any sort of negative news travels not just on wheels but literally at the speed of light. Roy Inman on 2/26/09 11:26 AM, Tom Hawley at t.hawley@... wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael . . . Marmer > . . . . . . . . Maybe they are good for some of you, but I have no plans on > buying any rolling stock in the future, as I do have > some AM on my layout. >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't make such a radical decision. You just need to buy from a dealer > whom you can take problems back to. (But not me; I do train shows only.) > Several people have told me they'd rather deal with me than try to > communicate with Mr B. He's not necessarily a bad person, just overly > defensive. > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52924	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Convert DC American Models

Does anyone know what it would take to convert a DC American Models engine to operate on AC? Is it a pretty simple process? Thanks for your help in advance. -AJ Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52925	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models

Hi Tom, I understand what you write, but it was more of a principle in not buying, for me, AM products, due to their lack of support in a professional way. Again, if he had said, it is out of a warranty, I could understand that, but to be in denial that it was his product, did not sit well with me. However, he did finally send a email, after a weird email before, that I can send it back to him. So I will, as I was I was hoping to use it for maybe under a Christmas tree and it is a very nice looking C&O GP 9, as the C&O is a favorite with me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael . . . Marmer . . . . . . . . Maybe they are good for some of you, but I have no plans on buying any rolling stock in the future, as I do have some AM on my layout. > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't make such a radical decision. You just need to buy from a dealer whom you can take problems back to. (But not me; I do train shows only.) Several people have told me they'd rather deal with me than try to communicate with Mr B. He's not necessarily a bad person, just overly defensive. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52926	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Convert DC American Models

It is pretty simple, (assuming you have some soldering skills) the biggest issue is the space available. Some locos have plenty of space and almost anything will fit. Others you may need to be more selective about the e-unit you install. Knowing which model you wish to convert would make the answer more definitive, as to difficulty. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AJ Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:27 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Convert DC American Models Does anyone know what it would take to convert a DC American Models engine to operate on AC? Is it a pretty simple process? Thanks for your help in advance. -AJ Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52927	From: william cole	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models

last night was visiting one of the newer members of our round robun rr club (GAMR, we turn 70 years old in September 2009!!!), and he's an O hi-railer, with a loop of AM track with passing sidings for each trainset....his AM streamline pacific and 5 car standard passenger consist ran beautifully last night!! smooth, didn't miss a beat.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52928	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Convert DC American Models

Just add an electronic reverse unit such as a Dallee 400 Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 02/26/2009 12:30:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ajjohnson.pdx@... writes: Does anyone know what it would take to convert a DC American Models engine to operate on AC? Is it a pretty simple process? Thanks for your help in advance. -AJ Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52929	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models [S-Trains] Digest Number 4376

American Models has some strange polices, indeed. One time I had bought a brand new AM B&O caboose at an NASG convention, but when I got it home I discovered that it had a problem. Not only did I pay for shipping to AM (a normal industry practice), but they charged me a whopping $8 for a one day return inside Michigan! I was out an additional $14 on a brand new $40 car. They have a tendency to put fragile detail parts on their engines and then charge for replacements when they know the parts break easily. The infamous self-disintegrating handrails on the Baldwin switchers is a case in point. Enough said. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/26/2009 2:27:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: His intentions are good and true. He began offering S equipment, RTR, when hardly anyone else did; and there wasn¹t even much available in kits. But from my nearly 15 years experience in dealing with him and lurking on the lists, I believe that he is just not the best at handling customers. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52930	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Convert DC American Models

----- Original Message ----- From: AJ Johnson Does anyone know what it would take to convert a DC American Models engine to operate on AC? > > > > > > > Yes. It's American Model part # EE410. List $ 30. Tom Hlawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52931	From: ken garber	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire

Sparks from sticking brakes can also cause this. Another possibility is sparks from the exhaust stack. Ken On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > _______________________________________________________________________ > 9a. TRAIN CAUSED FIRE > Posted by: "Glenn" gartrain404@... glenn.ritter > Date: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:04 am ((PST)) > > This was probably caused by a "hot box". > When they had cabooses the staff in the > caboose would see this before > it was a major problem. > Quite a tragedy. > > http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-rockyflats-fires-022409,0,5297986.story > > Glenn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > 9b. Re: TRAIN CAUSED FIRE > Posted by: "David Engle" RIRocket@... > Date: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:16 am ((PST)) > > The type of friction bearing that normally causes a "hot-box" has been > banned from interchange since 1997, as I understand. There could be other > sources of heat/fire, and roller bearings have been known to fail, though > usually that is an axle that cuts itself to failure. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52932	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

Hi all: Sometimes PBS (and maybe the History Channel) produces a dvd with the segments on it (for the Trains Unlimited series). Of course, there has to be some interest shown by viewers who might want to buy the dvd. They must have an email address that we could write to to ask about that possibility. Does anyone have enough information about the good segments that were on so that they could summarize them for us and we could start a write in campaign for them to make a dvd? Actually, is anyone interested in one? How were the segments? Interesting? Well, I haven't had much opportunity on seeing them here (Norway), but they may get here some day since we do see many serials from the US (mostly the poor ones - reality shows, dirty jobs, so you think you've got talent, etc.)! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Stumpy Stone wrote: > > I have now seen, I think, every episode which aired at 10pm EST on > Tuesday nights. As pointed out, it has now entered History > Channel's "marathon" status, so the other day it was on again back to > back all day. While there is good information to be had, it is > buried in a poorly done show. > The problem I have with this show is two fold. First, the host is an > idiot, or at least acts like one. He acts as if he's playing to > children, not the adult History veiwer at ten o'clock at night. > Second, the show is shot with the ridculous style of cutting back and > forth violently and speeding/slowing/speeding the footage, a style > popular with today's kids. This again doesn't work for History > Channel's veiwers who are not kids and would rather see a scene long > enough to actually see what's going on. > Actually, even the title of the series "Extreme" smacks of "kidspeak" > over-hype, not intelligence. > A much better series was "Trains Unlimited" which was well done, > informative, and the veiwer's intelligence was not insulted as > with "Extreme Trains." Episodes of this are being rerun over on > History International from time to time. Unfortunately, it is > becoming quite dated, having been done in the mid-nineties. > And that's your TV reveiw for today... ;-) > Stumpy Stone...getting to be a crotchety old guy...in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52933	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

If my memory serves me, they are already listed for sale on the History Channel's website. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" Hi all: Sometimes PBS (and maybe the History Channel) produces a dvd with the segments on it (for the Trains Unlimited series). Of course, there has to be some interest shown by viewers who might want to buy the dvd. They must have an email address that we could write to to ask about that possibility. Does anyone have enough information about the good segments that were on so that they could summarize them for us and we could start a write in campaign for them to make a dvd? Actually, is anyone interested in one? How were the segments? Interesting? Well, I haven't had much opportunity on seeing them here (Norway), but they may get here some day since we do see many serials from the US (mostly the poor ones - reality shows, dirty jobs, so you think you've got talent, etc.)! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Stumpy Stone wrote: > > I have now seen, I think, every episode which aired at 10pm EST on > Tuesday nights. As pointed out, it has now entered History > Channel's "marathon" status, so the other day it was on again back to > back all day. While there is good information to be had, it is > buried in a poorly done show. > The problem I have with this show is two fold. First, the host is an > idiot, or at least acts like one. He acts as if he's playing to > children, not the adult History veiwer at ten o'clock at night. > Second, the show is shot with the ridculous style of cutting back and > forth violently and speeding/slowing/speeding the footage, a style > popular with today's kids. This again doesn't work for History > Channel's veiwers who are not kids and would rather see a scene long > enough to actually see what's going on. > Actually, even the title of the series "Extreme" smacks of "kidspeak" > over-hype, not intelligence. > A much better series was "Trains Unlimited" which was well done, > informative, and the veiwer's intelligence was not insulted as > with "Extreme Trains." Episodes of this are being rerun over on > History International from time to time. Unfortunately, it is > becoming quite dated, having been done in the mid-nineties. > And that's your TV reveiw for today... ;-) > Stumpy Stone...getting to be a crotchety old guy...in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52934	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

But from what Stumpy said, who would want the extreme trains videos? I have to admit that I am probably older than Stumpy :-) so probably feel the same way he does >:o !! thanks and will check, in any event Rance The LANIERs wrote: > > If my memory serves me, they are already listed for sale on the > History Channel's website. > > paflyrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rance and Bente > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" > > Hi all: > Sometimes PBS (and maybe the History Channel) produces a dvd with the > segments on it (for the Trains Unlimited series). Of course, there has > to be some interest shown by viewers who might want to buy the dvd. > They must have an email address that we could write to to ask about that > possibility. Does anyone have enough information about the good > segments that were on so that they could summarize them for us and we > could start a write in campaign for them to make a dvd? Actually, is > anyone interested in one? How were the segments? Interesting? Well, > I haven't had much opportunity on seeing them here (Norway), but they > may get here some day since we do see many serials from the US (mostly > the poor ones - reality shows, dirty jobs, so you think you've got > talent, etc.)! > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > > I have now seen, I think, every episode which aired at 10pm EST on > > Tuesday nights. As pointed out, it has now entered History > > Channel's "marathon" status, so the other day it was on again back to > > back all day. While there is good information to be had, it is > > buried in a poorly done show. > > The problem I have with this show is two fold. First, the host is an > > idiot, or at least acts like one. He acts as if he's playing to > > children, not the adult History veiwer at ten o'clock at night. > > Second, the show is shot with the ridculous style of cutting back and > > forth violently and speeding/slowing/speeding the footage, a style > > popular with today's kids. This again doesn't work for History > > Channel's veiwers who are not kids and would rather see a scene long > > enough to actually see what's going on. > > Actually, even the title of the series "Extreme" smacks of "kidspeak" > > over-hype, not intelligence. > > A much better series was "Trains Unlimited" which was well done, > > informative, and the veiwer's intelligence was not insulted as > > with "Extreme Trains." Episodes of this are being rerun over on > > History International from time to time. Unfortunately, it is > > becoming quite dated, having been done in the mid-nineties. > > And that's your TV reveiw for today... ;-) > > Stumpy Stone...getting to be a crotchety old guy...in Appalachia > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52935	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Crossover Wiring Question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Randall Hicks" <randallhicks@...> wrote: > a simple figure-8 with a crossover and no > switches; just hook up a single track clip and go. Second row, second > from left, is a figure-8 with two switches to make an outside loop. > Here you should install the track clip between the two switches. A > couple of the others include a crossover and many more switches. Have > fun! Well, that's the answer, then. I can do a lot before I need to worry about reverse loops and a figure-8 needs no special wiring. Thank you very much!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52936	From: G C	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

I'm now convinced. There is nothing I can't do on my railroad. All I have to do is ask someone on this Group how its done. Then of course there is the need for time, patience, money and other stuff like that, but I was never one to sweat details.L.O.L. This is indeed a wonderful group to belong to. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52937	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Tips?

many have helped me out even with my silly questions at times. LOL Hopefully we all we repay the help back to someone else someday. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dry Transfer Tips? I'm now convinced. There is nothing I can't do on my railroad. All I have to do is ask someone on this Group how its done. Then of course there is the need for time, patience, money and other stuff like that, but I was never one to sweat details.L.O.L. This is indeed a wonderful group to belong to. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52938	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gilbert Cardboard Circus

Michael-   Best bet is to watch for a set on ebay. Greenberg was acquired by Kalmbacha and they did not continue with the circus repros. Are you looking for a complete set or just some of the pieces?   Bill Drake warm and wet St. Louis --- On Thu, 2/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Cardboard Circus To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:45 AM Does anyone know where one might obtain a reproduction of the Gilbert American Flyer cardboard Circus. Greenburg sold a repro several years ago but has since discontinued doing so. Was there a problem with Lionel? Anyway, I'd appreciate any info. Thanks. The Prell Guy   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52939	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Gilbert Cardboard Circus

The complete set.I've got just about enough space in the center of my board to display it.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Cardboard Circus To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:50 PM Michael-   Best bet is to watch for a set on ebay. Greenberg was acquired by Kalmbacha and they did not continue with the circus repros. Are you looking for a complete set or just some of the pieces?   Bill Drake warm and wet St. Louis --- On Thu, 2/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Cardboard Circus To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:45 AM Does anyone know where one might obtain a reproduction of the Gilbert American Flyer cardboard Circus. Greenburg sold a repro several years ago but has since discontinued doing so. Was there a problem with Lionel? Anyway, I'd appreciate any info. Thanks. The Prell Guy   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52940	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52941	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

94 bulbs   o.k. try this   do you have a vom?  even a vtvm would work. go to resistance.  and put the bulb in line and check the resistance. then get som bulbs you know  what they are and see what the resistance is and you should find something close.... if not exact.  --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:16 PM I am trying to figure out the voltage of a single grain of wheat bulb, as I tried searching for this on Google and I think the answer I get is 3.2 volts. Does anyone know if this is correct? When all is done, I will have 64 of them for the baseball field and 30 of them for street lights. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52942	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

39!!!! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52943	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models [S-Trains] Digest Number 4376

Maybe Mr. B should take a class on dealing with people as if you are in business, it the people you are selling to that "show you the money". Without customers, you have no business. He is taking the engine back and I do appreciate, but the way it all went down, was very poor. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: rbubeck327@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: American Models [S-Trains] Digest Number 4376 American Models has some strange polices, indeed. One time I had bought a brand new AM B&O caboose at an NASG convention, but when I got it home I discovered that it had a problem. Not only did I pay for shipping to AM (a normal industry practice), but they charged me a whopping $8 for a one day return inside Michigan! I was out an additional $14 on a brand new $40 car. They have a tendency to put fragile detail parts on their engines and then charge for replacements when they know the parts break easily. The infamous self-disintegrating handrails on the Baldwin switchers is a case in point. Enough said. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/26/2009 2:27:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: His intentions are good and true. He began offering S equipment, RTR, when hardly anyone else did; and there wasn¹t even much available in kits. But from my nearly 15 years experience in dealing with him and lurking on the lists, I believe that he is just not the best at handling customers. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52944	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Thank you, Stumpy and OK, Extreme Trains

Hello friends, First, let me thank Stumpy, not only for his entertaining and regularly educational posts to this list, but also his taking on a column in "S Gaugian" about getting oneself motivated and started with an actual layout in one's home. As an airmchair AF railroader (in our home anyway) for longer than I care admit, I am looking forward to Stumpy's astute observations on the matter in future issues on the "S Gaugian". Maybe I will have more than some benchwork taking up a spare bedroom by the time his series of columns in the magazine come to an end. On another matter, oddly enough, I had never seen an episode of Extreme Trains before this thread began on the list. I have enjoyed both sides to the criticism of the show, and generally would side with Stumpy and those who hate to see the serious documentary form on the History Channel devolve into something like American Idol meets The Extreme Race. However, I did catch three episodes on the recent marathon: The UP 844, the freight trains and the Acela on the Eastern Corridor. On the same night, I also caught episode 200 of the Discovery Channel show Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe: "Locomotive Builder" about MotivePower, Inc in Boise, Idaho. Fit in nicely with my Extreme Trains marathon, and I have always enjoyed Mike's combination of showing his respect for the workers and their jobs and his sense of humor. While I must agree with many of the comments about lack of content, jerky camera work and the hyper host on Extreme Trains, I actually enjoyed these three shows. I attribute this to two reasons: First, any train show on a widely watched TV network is better than no train show at all. Secondly, my wife actually watched all three episodes with me. Sherry appreciates my interest in toy trains, enjoys the fun and social aspects of the hobby and tolerates my love of trains in general, but generally has something she would rather be doing when a train show comes on TV, or I want to run one of my train videos. That is pretty much her reaction also when I watch another biography of a president or a documentary about a war. (She and my kids, when they lived at home, thought the History Channel was the "War Channel", and my Grandkids now call it "Grandpa's Channel".) My wife would agree that Extreme Trains is over-produced, hyper and jerky, but her opinion might be summed up when she said that the host, Matt, was "acting like a happy little kid!" She felt his almost childlike enjoyment was infectious, and that kept her interest. I am sure that is the case with many other viewers who, as Stumpy accurately points out, have a different take on many things which we old folks may hold sacred. My son is in the wood products business, and a lot of what we see on the show "Axmen" makes us cringe, but in the end the industry and its people are presented more or less favorably, and, more importantly, the interest of the uninitiated has been piqued. I feel "Extreme Trains" does the same. If more people are exposed to trains, even in Matt's childlike manner, that has to bode well for train shows, toy train sales, model railroading and the like. The more serious of the new hobbiests as well as the old carmudgeons like me can always move on to Pentrex and VideoRails DVDs and the many outstanding books available. Hopefully we will pause long enough to introduce the others to the wonders of such serious educational resources along with the many great museums, displays and tourist rail facilities available. Finally, I plan to watch tonight's episode about an overnight trip on the Empire Builder, the GN and the Wellington disaster. I have seen and read a lot of serious stuff on all three subjects, but I am looking forward to seeing Matt's goofy take on them. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52945	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

To echo what another member said earlier in the week, the G.O.W. bulbs are available in various voltage ratings.  I picked up packages of both clear and red bulbs rated at 12-16 volts and 0.03 amps yesterday at Mizzell Trains in Westminster, Colorado.  They are Model Power products.  The clear bulbs are part #381 and the red are #382.  They were $3.59 for a package of three. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike rosz" <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:14:48 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb 94 bulbs   o.k. try this   do you have a vom?  even a vtvm would work. go to resistance.  and put the bulb in line and check the resistance. then get som bulbs you know  what they are and see what the resistance is and you should find something close.... if not exact.  --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer < mlmarmer@... > wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer < mlmarmer@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb To: "S Trains" < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >, "Toy Trains" < Toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:16 PM I am trying to figure out the voltage of a single grain of wheat bulb, as I tried searching for this on Google and I think the answer I get is 3.2 volts. Does anyone know if this is correct? When all is done, I will have 64 of them for the baseball field and 30 of them for street lights. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52946	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire

My guess is a sticking brake as this train is coming down out of the Rockies - a true test of equipment! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken garber" <garber.ken@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:15:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train causes fire Sparks from sticking brakes can also cause this. Another possibility is sparks from the exhaust stack. Ken On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM, < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > __________________________________________________________ > 9a. TRAIN CAUSED FIRE > Posted by: "Glenn" gartrain404@... glenn.ritter > Date: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:04 am ((PST)) > > This was probably caused by a "hot box". > When they had cabooses the staff in the > caboose would see this before > it was a major problem. > Quite a tragedy. > > http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-rockyflats-fires-022409,0,5297986.story > > Glenn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > __________________________________________________________ > 9b. Re: TRAIN CAUSED FIRE > Posted by: "David Engle" RIRocket@... > Date: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:16 am ((PST)) > > The type of friction bearing that normally causes a "hot-box" has been > banned from interchange since 1997, as I understand. There could be other > sources of heat/fire, and roller bearings have been known to fail, though > usually that is an axle that cuts itself to failure. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52947	From: John	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire

I saw a video on line some where, maybe YouTube, that showed a four engine lashup going past the camera guy and the brakes or electric motor on the last engine was in a big ball fire!! Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train causes fire > My guess is a sticking brake as this train is coming down out of the > Rockies - a true test of equipment! > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken garber" <garber.ken@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:15:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train causes fire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52948	From: John Conant	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

Old as the hills..........................in Appalachia??? Stumpy Stone said: So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia -- Regards, John Conant In my mid-fifties, and still wondering when I'll feel "grown up"...... in northern MA ======================================================================= John Conant jconant@... Aerodyne Research, Inc. (978)663-9500, ext. 292 Billerica, MA 01821 FAX (978)663-4918 Everybody is talking about the weather but nobody does anything about it. - Mark Twain ======================================================================= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52949	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Circus and Farm Cutouts

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52950	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

One of the good things about getting older is that it forces a certain amount of wisdom upon us whether we want or not...sort of like learning by osmosis. I may be getting older but I refuse to grow up.....it's better sometimes to act your shpoe size rather than your age.   Bob Hendrickson   still playin' with trains in New Jersey --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 8:31 PM The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52951	From: michael prell	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

Don't have to guess your age, Sir! You're ageless! I just wish that the few I knew who were like you were still around. Thank God that they were!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 8:31 PM The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52952	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Dear Mike: Do what I do. Put the bulb across a single AA battery. (Or C, or D). Is it bright or dull? If bright then it is a 1.5 volt bulb. If too bright then put a geranium or silicon diode in series to give a 0.3 or 0.7 volt drop. If dull, try 3 volts (two batteries in series). (When the bulb is bright enough, you have found the voltage.) When you reach four batteries (6 volts) switch to an AF transformer at minimal voltage plus a volt meter. The run it up until you find the correct brightness. If you do not care, put the bulb across 110V. It will vaporize in a spectacular flash rivaling the best flash bulbs. (Watch out for flying glass.) I have an 18 volt Grain of Wheat bulb. I run it at 12 volts which gives a nice glow and will never burn out. For every 10% you run the bulb at under voltage, you increase its lifespan by 10 times. Always remember to put a label on one of the bulb's legs so you know the hard-learned voltage. Thorin From: Michael and Linda Marmer < mlmarmer@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb To: "S Trains" < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >, "Toy Trains" < Toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:16 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52953	From: paflyrman	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Off Topic - Free HO Train Dsplay Alexandria VA Sat - Sun

The Lyceum Museum Railroad Days,201 S. Washington St Alexandria, VA. Sat 11-5, Sun 1- 5. Displayed by The Potomac Module of the NMRA. Includes Thomas the Tank, and a Lego model train layout.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52954	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Circus and Farm Cutouts

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52955	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Or instead of batteries, use a good quality DC transformer. One that goes say from zero to 15VDC or so in small (tenth volt or smaller) increments. MRC Tech series and others ramp up very smoothly and slowly. Even the Railpower 1300 on my workbench works well, but MRC Tech 4's are even better. Once bright, but not too bright, measure the voltage at that point. If at max and still not bright enough, move up to a transformer with higher maximum output.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52956	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Marty, Thanks for the additional help with my lighting of the bulbs. I will do that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Grain of Wheat Bulb Dear Mike: Do what I do. Put the bulb across a single AA battery. (Or C, or D). Is it bright or dull? If bright then it is a 1.5 volt bulb. If too bright then put a geranium or silicon diode in series to give a 0.3 or 0.7 volt drop. If dull, try 3 volts (two batteries in series). (When the bulb is bright enough, you have found the voltage.) When you reach four batteries (6 volts) switch to an AF transformer at minimal voltage plus a volt meter. The run it up until you find the correct brightness. If you do not care, put the bulb across 110V. It will vaporize in a spectacular flash rivaling the best flash bulbs. (Watch out for flying glass.) I have an 18 volt Grain of Wheat bulb. I run it at 12 volts which gives a nice glow and will never burn out. For every 10% you run the bulb at under voltage, you increase its lifespan by 10 times. Always remember to put a label on one of the bulb's legs so you know the hard-learned voltage. Thorin From: Michael and Linda Marmer < mlmarmer@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb To: "S Trains" < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >, "Toy Trains" < Toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:16 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52957	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Mike,   At Micro-Mark, they have a batch of 100 GOW bulbs for $49.95. The link for them is;   http://www.micromark.com/BUNCH-O-BULBS-100,9181.html   Personally, 3 for $4.00 is a bit steep but the convenience of a small pack might outweigh the salty price. If you needed them for a large project like stadium lights, then the 100 pack is probably the best bet.   Either way, I hope this helps.   Regards, Nick Kulp To echo what another member said earlier in the week, the G.O.W. bulbs are available in various voltage ratings.  I picked up packages of both clear and red bulbs rated at 12-16 volts and 0.03 amps yesterday at Mizzell Trains in Westminster, Colorado.  They are Model Power products.  The clear bulbs are part #381 and the red are #382.  They were $3.59 for a package of three. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52958	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

I just did a Google search for Trains Unlimited and found their DVDs on the History Channel website as well. Stumpy: How good is the Trans-Canadian Railway?  Are there other episodes you would recommend and what makes them good? --- On Thu, 2/26/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@...> wrote: From: The LANIERs <hblanier@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:36 PM If my memory serves me, they are already listed for sale on the History Channel's website. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" Hi all: Sometimes PBS (and maybe the History Channel) produces a dvd with the segments on it (for the Trains Unlimited series). Of course, there has to be some interest shown by viewers who might want to buy the dvd. They must have an email address that we could write to to ask about that possibility. Does anyone have enough information about the good segments that were on so that they could summarize them for us and we could start a write in campaign for them to make a dvd? Actually, is anyone interested in one? How were the segments? Interesting? Well, I haven't had much opportunity on seeing them here (Norway), but they may get here some day since we do see many serials from the US (mostly the poor ones - reality shows, dirty jobs, so you think you've got talent, etc.)! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Stumpy Stone wrote: > > I have now seen, I think, every episode which aired at 10pm EST on > Tuesday nights. As pointed out, it has now entered History > Channel's "marathon" status, so the other day it was on again back to > back all day. While there is good information to be had, it is > buried in a poorly done show. > The problem I have with this show is two fold. First, the host is an > idiot, or at least acts like one. He acts as if he's playing to > children, not the adult History veiwer at ten o'clock at night. > Second, the show is shot with the ridculous style of cutting back and > forth violently and speeding/slowing/ speeding the footage, a style > popular with today's kids. This again doesn't work for History > Channel's veiwers who are not kids and would rather see a scene long > enough to actually see what's going on. > Actually, even the title of the series "Extreme" smacks of "kidspeak" > over-hype, not intelligence. > A much better series was "Trains Unlimited" which was well done, > informative, and the veiwer's intelligence was not insulted as > with "Extreme Trains." Episodes of this are being rerun over on > History International from time to time. Unfortunately, it is > becoming quite dated, having been done in the mid-nineties. > And that's your TV reveiw for today... ;-) > Stumpy Stone...getting to be a crotchety old guy...in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52959	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

The description on them is 12-14 v. .075 amps. I have no idea what that means? It seems that I am getting emails from the list, that 12 to 14 volts to operate them is too high. I think I need a electrical degree on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Mike, At Micro-Mark, they have a batch of 100 GOW bulbs for $49.95. The link for them is; http://www.micromark.com/BUNCH-O-BULBS-100,9181.html Personally, 3 for $4.00 is a bit steep but the convenience of a small pack might outweigh the salty price. If you needed them for a large project like stadium lights, then the 100 pack is probably the best bet. Either way, I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Kulp To echo what another member said earlier in the week, the G.O.W. bulbs are available in various voltage ratings. I picked up packages of both clear and red bulbs rated at 12-16 volts and 0.03 amps yesterday at Mizzell Trains in Westminster, Colorado. They are Model Power products. The clear bulbs are part #381 and the red are #382. They were $3.59 for a package of three. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52960	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Thanks, as I have a old MPC DC transformer from the early 70's. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb Or instead of batteries, use a good quality DC transformer. One that goes say from zero to 15VDC or so in small (tenth volt or smaller) increments. MRC Tech series and others ramp up very smoothly and slowly. Even the Railpower 1300 on my workbench works well, but MRC Tech 4's are even better. Once bright, but not too bright, measure the voltage at that point. If at max and still not bright enough, move up to a transformer with higher maximum output. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52961	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Nick, thanks that is where I got them, as I thought they might tell me how many volts they are, but they only give me the information that is posted on their website. On a 100w transformer, at the 20 mph setting on variable, I get a reading of 7 volts. I think that might be okay. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Mike, At Micro-Mark, they have a batch of 100 GOW bulbs for $49.95. The link for them is; http://www.micromark.com/BUNCH-O-BULBS-100,9181.html Personally, 3 for $4.00 is a bit steep but the convenience of a small pack might outweigh the salty price. If you needed them for a large project like stadium lights, then the 100 pack is probably the best bet. Either way, I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Kulp To echo what another member said earlier in the week, the G.O.W. bulbs are available in various voltage ratings. I picked up packages of both clear and red bulbs rated at 12-16 volts and 0.03 amps yesterday at Mizzell Trains in Westminster, Colorado. They are Model Power products. The clear bulbs are part #381 and the red are #382. They were $3.59 for a package of three. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52962	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

That's funny!  Nobody wants to guess an age.  My guess is that Stumpy is about the same age as me - he sure acts like it!  I'm 16 though I'm trapped in a body that is 65 going on 66.  Stupidity drives me crazy but friends like all of you make all the difference! --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:31 PM The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52963	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

HiMike,   ===== The description on them is 12-14 v. .075 amps. I have no idea what that means? It seems that I am getting emails from the list, that 12 to 14 volts to operate them is too high. I think I need a electrical degree on this. =====   No degree needed. The folks telling you that the  voltage is too high simply mean that a "lower" voltage will make them last longer, less stress on the bulb when it is turned on and off. This is actually the critical time for any light bulb. The power surge when voltage is applied to the filament when it is initially "resisting" the power, is normally when a bulb will burn out. Less power=less strain on the filament.   The "POP" you hear when a light bulb burns out is the filament breaking under the power surge. It happens on any filament light bulb.   I hope this helps, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52964	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Mike,   The website has this information if you click on the info button.   Miniature lamps bring attention to your models like nothing else, but they can be expensive if purchased individually. These grain-of-wheat size (1/8 inch dia. x 3/8 inch long) bulbs are packed in a 100-piece they are packed in 100-piece bundles to save you money. 12-14v. AC/DC, .075 amp. 6 inch leads.   Be careful, transformers can also create a power surge when turning them on and that can blow a bulb with the excess power. It is actually better to use an old wall-wart power transformer from an old toy. They provide a regulated voltage and they only cost about $10.00 -$12.00 at most train shows. Sometimes You can use them from old DSL modems when your phone company upgrades your internet connection. The voltage is perfect. I use a few for structure lighting.   Regards, Nick thanks that is where I got them, as I thought they might tell me how many volts they are, but they only give me the information that is posted on their website. On a 100w transformer, at the 20 mph setting on variable, I get a reading of 7 volts.   I think that might be okay. Mike     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52965	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Mike, just a guess here...Anyone correct me if I'm wrong...The GOW 12-14 volts is really for HO transformers. I think that the mfg. had this group in mind... You might be better off getting a cheap HO DC transformer. You could PU a nice one with Volt meter for about $20 used @ a train show...The Other Mike In a message dated 2/27/2009 8:01:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: The description on them is 12-14 v. .075 amps. I have no idea what that means? It seems that I am getting emails from the list, that 12 to 14 volts to operate them is too high. I think I need a electrical degree on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Mike, At Micro-Mark, they have a batch of 100 GOW bulbs for $49.95. The link for them is; _http://www.micromarhttp://www.mhttp://www.mhttp://ww_ (http://www.micromark.com/BUNCH-O-BULBS-100,9181.html) Personally, 3 for $4.00 is a bit steep but the convenience of a small pack might outweigh the salty price. If you needed them for a large project like stadium lights, then the 100 pack is probably the best bet. Either way, I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Kulp To echo what another member said earlier in the week, the G.O.W. bulbs are available in various voltage ratings. I picked up packages of both clear and red bulbs rated at 12-16 volts and 0.03 amps yesterday at Mizzell Trains in Westminster, Colorado. They are Model Power products. The clear bulbs are part #381 and the red are #382. They were $3.59 for a package of three. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52966	From: Ed	Date: 2/27/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

If any of you have read the article in the March/April 2009 S gaugian page 27 you would have the answer. So, if he was 4 years old in Dec 1954 as it says, and you know his birthday is next week, Now, how old is Terry "Stumpy" Stone? Stumpy is zxcvbnm yrs old now and next week will be zxcvbnm +1. lol Also, many of Stumpy's old posts have stated his age. Summary is "he is still a young un" Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old That's funny! Nobody wants to guess an age. My guess is that Stumpy is about the same age as me - he sure acts like it! I'm 16 though I'm trapped in a body that is 65 going on 66. Stupidity drives me crazy but friends like all of you make all the difference! --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> Subject: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:31 PM The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52967	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Mr Stone

----- Original Message ----- . . . . . Nobody wants to guess an age. My guess is that Stumpy . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > I've met Stumpy at a Spree or two, and I'd guess he's 50, based me being 70 ( can pass for 65 in dim light) and him looking much younger, but no "spring chicken." tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52968	From: Glenn	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

I think I saw a date for Stumpy's birth on a website or was it a magazine article? I will say 56. Happy unbirthday Stumpy. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 22:37 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old That's funny! Nobody wants to guess an age. My guess is that Stumpy is about the same age as me - he sure acts like it! I'm 16 though I'm trapped in a body that is 65 going on 66. Stupidity drives me crazy but friends like all of you make all the difference! --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:31 PM The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52969	From: Glenn	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS

Re-read your March/April 2009 S Gaugian. He was born the same year as my wife. He is a baby boomer. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 03:44 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mr Stone ----- Original Message ----- . . . . . Nobody wants to guess an age. My guess is that Stumpy . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > I've met Stumpy at a Spree or two, and I'd guess he's 50, based me being 70 ( can pass for 65 in dim light) and him looking much younger, but no "spring chicken." tom Hawley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52970	From: michael prell	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: History Channel's "Extreme Trains"

As a follow-up to another great program....in case anyone's interested:)   Tracks Ahead PBS Home The hit PBS series Tracks Ahead has a unique appeal for train lovers of all ages. ... An all new season, Tracks Ahead 7, is out in January, 2009. ... --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 10:53 PM I just did a Google search for Trains Unlimited and found their DVDs on the History Channel website as well. Stumpy: How good is the Trans-Canadian Railway?  Are there other episodes you would recommend and what makes them good? --- On Thu, 2/26/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@embarqmail .com> wrote: From: The LANIERs <hblanier@embarqmail .com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:36 PM If my memory serves me, they are already listed for sale on the History Channel's website. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] History Channel's "Extreme Trains" Hi all: Sometimes PBS (and maybe the History Channel) produces a dvd with the segments on it (for the Trains Unlimited series). Of course, there has to be some interest shown by viewers who might want to buy the dvd. They must have an email address that we could write to to ask about that possibility. Does anyone have enough information about the good segments that were on so that they could summarize them for us and we could start a write in campaign for them to make a dvd? Actually, is anyone interested in one? How were the segments? Interesting? Well, I haven't had much opportunity on seeing them here (Norway), but they may get here some day since we do see many serials from the US (mostly the poor ones - reality shows, dirty jobs, so you think you've got talent, etc.)! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Stumpy Stone wrote: > > I have now seen, I think, every episode which aired at 10pm EST on > Tuesday nights. As pointed out, it has now entered History > Channel's "marathon" status, so the other day it was on again back to > back all day. While there is good information to be had, it is > buried in a poorly done show. > The problem I have with this show is two fold. First, the host is an > idiot, or at least acts like one. He acts as if he's playing to > children, not the adult History veiwer at ten o'clock at night. > Second, the show is shot with the ridculous style of cutting back and > forth violently and speeding/slowing/ speeding the footage, a style > popular with today's kids. This again doesn't work for History > Channel's veiwers who are not kids and would rather see a scene long > enough to actually see what's going on. > Actually, even the title of the series "Extreme" smacks of "kidspeak" > over-hype, not intelligence. > A much better series was "Trains Unlimited" which was well done, > informative, and the veiwer's intelligence was not insulted as > with "Extreme Trains." Episodes of this are being rerun over on > History International from time to time. Unfortunately, it is > becoming quite dated, having been done in the mid-nineties. > And that's your TV reveiw for today... ;-) > Stumpy Stone...getting to be a crotchety old guy...in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52971	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

Yeah Ed, but he's still older'n me!!! Hmm, but not by much---when did that happen?? 1954--My brothers got "their" first train set, my earliest memory is of it running around under the tree and me wanting it. Guess what? Guess who's house it's in now?? Heh Heh Heh, the revenge of the little brother!! :) S' David D PS I also have all of my various cousins' AF trains too! But them I had to buy. . . Hmm, also have some of my brothers' friends AF too. But I don't have my Godfather's daughters' train, he thought I didn't deserve it (and the daughters have told me they wish I'd had them--I learned that story much later in life. ) Ahh memories--enjoy them while we still can; before the brain fries! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52972	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

You're right, Mike.  The 12-16v  GOW bulbs I referred to were in the HO area of the store and I assume intended for use in those trains.  I have one in a project I am working on now, run off AC track power.  So far, so good. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52973	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Thanks Nick, as I have read that information about the bulbs. I did get a 100 of these in clear from them last year. I am not sure what you mean about toy type transformers, as all I know of is the type to run trains or slot cars. I do have several DC HO transformers too. In powering up the transformers, I have the lights on a toggle switch, so they are off during any surge effect, if any. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Mike, The website has this information if you click on the info button. Miniature lamps bring attention to your models like nothing else, but they can be expensive if purchased individually. These grain-of-wheat size (1/8 inch dia. x 3/8 inch long) bulbs are packed in a 100-piece they are packed in 100-piece bundles to save you money. 12-14v. AC/DC, 075 amp. 6 inch leads. Be careful, transformers can also create a power surge when turning them on and that can blow a bulb with the excess power. It is actually better to use an old wall-wart power transformer from an old toy. They provide a regulated voltage and they only cost about $10.00 -$12.00 at most train shows. Sometimes You can use them from old DSL modems when your phone company upgrades your internet connection. The voltage is perfect. I use a few for structure lighting. Regards, Nick thanks that is where I got them, as I thought they might tell me how many volts they are, but they only give me the information that is posted on their website. On a 100w transformer, at the 20 mph setting on variable, I get a reading of 7 volts. I think that might be okay. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52974	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Sorry Mike,   ===== Anyone correct me if I'm wrong...The  GOW  12-14 volts is really for HO transformers. I think that the mfg. had  this group in mind... You might be better off getting a cheap HO  DC  transformer. You could PU a nice one with Volt meter for about $20 used @ a  train show...The Other Mike =====   Voltage knows no scale. 12-14 Volts is exactly that, 12-14 volts. You can pull power from a high-voltage substation (EXAMPLE ONLY) and bring it down to 12 volts and it is just 12 volts. Your idea of a small transformer is not wrong either but a small Wal-wart power supply would work just as well and it only supplys one output without the cost of the rheostat to vary the output. That is just another piece that can fail.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52975	From: G C	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS

Hey Stumpy, You remember the original The Day The Earth Stood Still. In that, Klatu ,the character from Planet Wizbang, was a couple hundred years old. Well, I've been thinking (dangerous). You could be as old as Klatu and not show your age at all. Gosh! You know so much and have taught us all so much, you must be that old. How else could you possibly know all that? L.O.L. Just kidding! Seriously and with great respect, let me be among the first to wish you a Happy Birthday (what ever age your going to be). gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52976	From: dphobbies	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial

Just a note to let all interested that we have placed a substantial reservation on the new American Flyer U33C and are soliciting firm reservations. Some have poo-pooed this new locomotive, but we have great faith. This will be the first Lionel produced S Scale locomotives that includes scale wheels following SHS example. Road names are Erie Lackawanna and Southern Pacific. MSRP is $369.95. No deposit is required for reserving. Naturally, these will look terrific pulling S Scale America later freight cars. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52977	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: reverse loops

For simple reverse loop wiring see: http://www.tuveson.com/AtlasReverseLoopRelay/ac_reverse_loop_relay.htm However you hve to use an Atlas #200 snap relay not a switch motoer although they look similr.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52978	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

I have gotten lots of good answers on my quest to light up the ball park. Since April 4 is a day game for opening day and the next day is a day off, the first night game is April 6th. However, since the town was testing the lights at a full 18 volts, the electrical bill for the town, as the town owns the ball park, was sky high this month. The D&K RR Electric Company, DKRRECO, has pulled the plug on the town and cut off power to the entire town till they pay the bill. No lights at the booths for ladies at the Branford Diner also, soon to be Hugo's All South American Diner. Upon hearing this news, Hugo is organizing the AF Plastic Cows in over taking the DKRRECO and nationalizing the power company. Further updates to follow. Che will be leading the cows in this revolt since he used to trying to over take governments. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52979	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Did anybody buy the Freedom Train Passenger Set?

I need pictures for TheGilbertGallery.org. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52980	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Nick, I know that Elec. knows no scale. But the GOW was brought about for use in HO, was my point. Mike Who In a message dated 2/28/2009 11:12:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Sorry Mike, ===== Anyone correct me if I'm wrong...The GOW 12-14 volts is really for HO transformers. I think that the mfg. had this group in mind... You might be better off getting a cheap HO DC transformer. You could PU a nice one with Volt meter for about $20 used @ a train show...The Other Mike ===== Voltage knows no scale. 12-14 Volts is exactly that, 12-14 volts. You can pull power from a high-voltage substation (EXAMPLE ONLY) and bring it down to 12 volts and it is just 12 volts. Your idea of a small transformer is not wrong either but a small Wal-wart power supply would work just as well and it only supplys one output without the cost of the rheostat to vary the output. That is just another piece that can fail. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52981	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS

Hey Stumpy, remember when Eli Walic (Whitney) invented the stem engine with your help? Mike in Or In a message dated 2/28/2009 11:12:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ecphora123@... writes: Hey Stumpy, You remember the original The Day The Earth Stood Still. In that, Klatu ,the character from Planet Wizbang, was a couple hundred years old. Well, I've been thinking (dangerous). You could be as old as Klatu and not show your age at all. Gosh! You know so much and have taught us all so much, you must be that old. How else could you possibly know all that? L.O.L. Just kidding! Seriously and with great respect, let me be among the first to wish you a Happy Birthday (what ever age your going to be). gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52982	From: Rosie	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial

Is it only a single motor? That's what the catalog seems to imply. ----- Original Message ----- From: dphobbies To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New S Scale Diesel - Commercial Just a note to let all interested that we have placed a substantial reservation on the new American Flyer U33C and are soliciting firm reservations. Some have poo-pooed this new locomotive, but we have great faith. This will be the first Lionel produced S Scale locomotives that includes scale wheels following SHS example. Road names are Erie Lackawanna and Southern Pacific. MSRP is $369.95. No deposit is required for reserving. Naturally, these will look terrific pulling S Scale America later freight cars. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52983	From: grant	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire

Trains don't cause fire, carbon and oxygen does! Grant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52984	From: michael prell	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS

Yup. Kind of makes the Stumpster The Good, The Bad & the Ugly.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 2/28/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S BIRTHDATE IS To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 2:23 PM Hey Stumpy, remember when Eli Walic (Whitney) invented the stem engine with your help? Mike in Or In a message dated 2/28/2009 11:12:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ecphora123@yahoo. com writes: Hey Stumpy, You remember the original The Day The Earth Stood Still. In that, Klatu ,the character from Planet Wizbang, was a couple hundred years old. Well, I've been thinking (dangerous). You could be as old as Klatu and not show your age at all. Gosh! You know so much and have taught us all so much, you must be that old. How else could you possibly know all that? L.O.L. Just kidding! Seriously and with great respect, let me be among the first to wish you a Happy Birthday (what ever age your going to be). gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies. aol.com/oscars- academy-awards? ncid=emlcntusmov i00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52985	From: boguscop1953	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: AF 20123 Set

Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52986	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/1/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 52987	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Hi Mike,   ===== Nick, I know that Elec. knows no scale. But the GOW was  brought about  for use in HO, was my point. Mike Who =====   gotcha. My misundetstanding. Model railroading is FUN. <VBG>   Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52988	From: Firewood	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I saw a video on line some where, maybe YouTube, that showed a four engine > lashup going past > the camera guy and the brakes or electric motor on the last engine was in a > big ball fire!! > > Here it is! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQAGWo3PbZk Kinda reminds me of my AF tenders from time to time! Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52989	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Vocabulary Assistance, Please!

Help! What is the correct name of the piece of sheet metal that slides into the heavyweight shells to hold the doors upright? It has little "ears" for the door pins to slip into. Anyone know of a source for this part? I've found replacement doors listed by a couple parts dealers, but so far have not found a supplier for the holder (bulkhead, maybe?) , the pins, or the springs. Could be I just don't know the correct name to enter into the search boxes. Thanks, Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52990	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: 336 tender pick up shoe

Hello all- I glued some loose wheels on my 336 Northern. It was "shorting" and tripping the e-unit through my one switch, so I thought it was loose the loose wheels, but that did not solve the problem. Now I think it is a weak spring in the center pick up shoe on the tender letting the electrical contact become broken over that switch. Can anyone tell me how to get at that spring to stretch it or replace it? Seems the actual shoe is wedged in there pretty good...and that removing it would require bending the tab. Then how would one re-bend it upon assembly? Any help is appreciated! Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52991	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

Set 20123 was made in 1957 for sale in Goodyear stores.  As you say, it was pulled by a #307 Atlantic and had a consist of a #925 Gulf Tank Car, #805 Pennsylvania Railroad Gondola , and #806 caboose.  It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #1A 40-watt Transformer, and #747 cardboard Figure 8 Trestle Set. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 3:37 PM Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52992	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52993	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial

Please folks, will someone tell me where I can see this engine? What catalog? Roy Inman on 2/28/09 3:55 PM, Rosie at rosegirl88@... wrote: > > > > Is it only a single motor? That's what the catalog seems to imply. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dphobbies > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:47 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] New S Scale Diesel - Commercial > > Just a note to let all interested that we have placed a substantial > reservation on the new American Flyer U33C and are soliciting firm > reservations. Some have poo-pooed this new locomotive, but we have > great faith. This will be the first Lionel produced S Scale > locomotives that includes scale wheels following SHS example. Road > names are Erie Lackawanna and Southern Pacific. MSRP is $369.95. No > deposit is required for reserving. > > Naturally, these will look terrific pulling S Scale America later > freight cars. > > Ron Sebastian > Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America > 1468 Lee Street > Des Plaines, IL 60018 > 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52994	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

In looking in the Bob Tufts set book he wrote there is a set number 20123 with everything you mention. Not sure what the 21434 tender is? The set is from 1957 as there are two other sets with that number with different things. It says that the box has Goodyear on it. So maybe made for Goodyear and ended up at this hobby shop. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52995	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

Bob Tufts book lists three variations of the set.  You're both right. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:20 PM Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52996	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Did anybody buy the Freedom Train Passenger Set?

Robert, One of the guys in our club bought the set and the two add on cars. If you still need a photo, I can shoot one for you. Roy Inman on 2/28/09 1:30 PM, Robert Graves at theupstairstrain@... wrote: > > > > I need pictures for TheGilbertGallery.org. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52997	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

Thanks for that info. I was starting to wonder about the accuracy of the man, THE Maury Romer, who actually was involved in Gilbert train set compilation record keeping back in the day. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Bob Tufts book lists three variations of the set. You're both right. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:20 PM Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52998	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Train causes fire

The engines here (in Ore) at least So Or, have 3-4 water tankers that spray water on the side of the tracks...In fire season anyway...Mike Who In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:41:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fahrwud@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I saw a video on line some where, maybe YouTube, that showed a four engine > lashup going past > the camera guy and the brakes or electric motor on the last engine was in a > big ball fire!! > > Here it is! _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQAGWo3PbZk) Kinda reminds me of my AF tenders from time to time! Dave. **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 52999	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

There where three different sets with set number 20123 according to the Bob Tufts set book. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53000	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Everything is cool . Mike Who In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:41:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Hi Mike, ===== Nick, I know that Elec. knows no scale. But the GOW was brought about for use in HO, was my point. Mike Who ===== gotcha. My misundetstanding. Model railroading is FUN. <VBG> Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53001	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2009
Subject: Telegraph poles

Now that I caused a big stir on grain of wheat bulbs, voltage, etc., I decided to put in the last 5 telegraph poles and do some ballast touch up. O:)! I hope to tackle the lights tomorrow. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53002	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 336 tender pick up shoe

What is going on here is the axle holes in the truck side frames are worn to the point that the sideframes are touching / rubbing on the diverging rails in the switch , check bottom of side frames & you will see what I mean ,this is a common problem on hudsons & northerns , this is an easy fix , remove all axles from the trucks & install bushings that you can make or better yet buy , I use the brass eyelets made by Dubro , as found in their air plane servo mounting kits, also found at Port lines & other dealers on this list , might even find them at the local hardware store , when the bushings are installed the axle will be back in place to where it was when new & problem will be gone . fix 'em & have fun , Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53003	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial

I looked on line and the 2009 Lionel catalogue is not there yet. What roadname? If you say like SHS, will it come with interchangeable scale and hi-rail wheels and couplers? This sounds interesting. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> wrote: > > Just a note to let all interested that we have placed a substantial > reservation on the new American Flyer U33C and are soliciting firm > reservations. Some have poo-pooed this new locomotive, but we have > great faith. This will be the first Lionel produced S Scale > locomotives that includes scale wheels following SHS example. Road > names are Erie Lackawanna and Southern Pacific. MSRP is $369.95. No > deposit is required for reserving. > > Naturally, these will look terrific pulling S Scale America later > freight cars. > > Ron Sebastian > Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America > 1468 Lee Street > Des Plaines, IL 60018 > 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53004	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: 2009 Lionel catalog

We got the 2009 Lionel catalog at the shop yesterday in the mail. I was only able to take a quick look and the owner took it home to figure out his order book. The prices on some items are through the roof, and they seem to have added some kind of "rewards" system for certain buyers. Here's what I can remember of the S guage line up: There are 2 U-33-C GE diesels. The Milwaukkee Road 4-8-4 is still there. There are 2 Docksiders, one is PRR. There are 2 streamline baggage cars, one is Missouri Pacific. There is an American Freedom Train heavyweight baggage car. There are some new repaints of a few freight cars. And finally a cheezy Christmas set led by the Docksider for the ridiculous price of $350. I wish I could remember more, but that's as far as I can for now. I will try to get hold of the catalog and tell you more. Stumpy Stone...in house slave...G&M Train & Hobby, Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53005	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 336 tender pick up shoe

Well there you go Ron. I had not been following this thread but just happened to read your reply and found it is a solution to the problem I was having with my 332 on switches. Thank you for your solution! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Inscho Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 tender pick up shoe What is going on here is the axle holes in the truck side frames are worn to the point that the sideframes are touching / rubbing on the diverging rails in the switch , check bottom of side frames & you will see what I mean ,this is a common problem on hudsons & northerns , this is an easy fix , remove all axles from the trucks & install bushings that you can make or better yet buy , I use the brass eyelets made by Dubro , as found in their air plane servo mounting kits, also found at Port lines & other dealers on this list , might even find them at the local hardware store , when the bushings are installed the axle will be back in place to where it was when new & problem will be gone . fix 'em & have fun , Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53006	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

Okay, got a list of what's in the catalog for Flyonel from store owner... Milwaukee Road 4-8-4 $474.99 U33C diesels Erie Lacawana or Southern Pacific w/Legacy $369.99 each EP-5 electric new haven $269.99 Docksider 0-6-0 PRR or UP $109.99 Christmas set Docksider, 3 cars, track, pack $349.99 Streamline Baggage cars UP or MP $74.99 Heavyweight coach American Freedom Train (display car) $79.99 cattle car Great Northern $69.99 boxcar IC $69.99 1 dome tank car Comet Cleanser $69.99 1 dome tank car DM&IR $69.99 Oper. boxcar NYC $79.99 Oper. dump car CP $89.99 Union Station $89.99 Suburban Station $69.99 Oper. Semaphore signal $59.99 Commemerative Am.Fly. handcar and shed $119.99 That's all folks! Stumpy Stone...chief store flunky at G&M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53007	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

I think I am done with AF by Lionel. I ordered the remake of the CN reefer last year and I was disappointed in how it does not really look like the AF one. I think I have a unloading auto car coming from Bob Board's shop, but I think Lionel is way behind on making that. Not Bob fault I know. I wonder why they advertise things and they get delayed so bad. Does that happen with O items in their catalog? But then you all would not know that answer, since I know none of you have anything in O. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 Flyonel catalog update Okay, got a list of what's in the catalog for Flyonel from store owner... Milwaukee Road 4-8-4 $474.99 U33C diesels Erie Lacawana or Southern Pacific w/Legacy $369.99 each EP-5 electric new haven $269.99 Docksider 0-6-0 PRR or UP $109.99 Christmas set Docksider, 3 cars, track, pack $349.99 Streamline Baggage cars UP or MP $74.99 Heavyweight coach American Freedom Train (display car) $79.99 cattle car Great Northern $69.99 boxcar IC $69.99 1 dome tank car Comet Cleanser $69.99 1 dome tank car DM&IR $69.99 Oper. boxcar NYC $79.99 Oper. dump car CP $89.99 Union Station $89.99 Suburban Station $69.99 Oper. Semaphore signal $59.99 Commemerative Am.Fly. handcar and shed $119.99 That's all folks! Stumpy Stone...chief store flunky at G&M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53008	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

The weird thing about the set in discussion, is why it ended up at a hobby shop instead of a Goodyear tire store? Did Gilbert Co sent sets to the hobby store to act as a distributor to Goodyear stores in the area? By the way, I think that store on the 700 block of Market store is gone, as in 2003, I went into a hobby shop on the 400 block of Market Street in Philly and the owner was pretty nasty to me when I mentioned as I walked in that I am a S person, just to be friendly, as I figured he probably had nothing in S, but I like to look at things for ideas and who knows, I might of picked up a book or something. I have done that before in shops with no S. There where kids terrorizing the shop and he did not care about that. I walked out. Mike Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set There where three different sets with set number 20123 according to the Bob Tufts set book. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53009	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Mike is always cool about things. O:)! He is even cool to all the Tom Waits songs I send him from YouTube. LOL He hates Tom Waits songs. Mike in MD ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Everything is cool . Mike Who In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:41:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Hi Mike, ===== Nick, I know that Elec. knows no scale. But the GOW was brought about for use in HO, was my point. Mike Who ===== gotcha. My misundetstanding. Model railroading is FUN. <VBG> Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53010	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Hate is such a strong word...QUEASY is more to the point...Mike Who In a message dated 3/1/2009 8:24:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Mike is always cool about things. O:)! He is even cool to all the Tom Waits songs I send him from YouTube. LOL He hates Tom Waits songs. Mike in MD ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Everything is cool . Mike Who In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:41:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _cornwall9@..._ (mailto:cornwall9@...) writes: Hi Mike, ===== Nick, I know that Elec. knows no scale. But the GOW was brought about for use in HO, was my point. Mike Who ===== gotcha. My misundetstanding. Model railroading is FUN. <VBG> Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**You're invited to Hollywood's biggest p updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (_http://movies.http://movies.http://movies.http://movies.<Whttp://mo_ (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53011	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

Mike, I hear local hobby shop managers complaining all the time of how slow all manufacturers are in releasing cataloged items. It is not just Flyonel. Many times a piece is cataloged and then not produced. This is not a new phenomenon; happened in tbe Œ50¹s as well, but according to one source, it happens more now. Marklin, trying to restructure in bankruptcy, cancelled ALL of its starter sets so I understand. Part of the problem is the overseas connection. Even given the internet and computers, distance is still an issue, as is language and culture. Our train stuff is transported by boat and boats are slower than trains :) Plus, boats sometimes sit in harbor for days or weeks or longer while their manifests are inspected and checked. Never know when a terrorist might be lurking inside a bib box of standard gauge engines... Roy Inman on 3/1/09 10:21 AM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > I wonder why they advertise things and they get delayed so bad. Does that > happen with O items in their catalog? But then you all would not know that > answer, since I know none of you have anything in O. LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53012	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

Hi Mike,   ===== I wonder why they advertise things and they get delayed so bad.  Does that happen with O items in their catalog?  But then you all would not know that answer, since I know none of you have anything in O. =====   Do not feel bad Mike. They do it in all scales. 5 years ago, Broadway Limited Imports announced their PRR I1 2-10-0 Decapod, a loco that every PRR fan can use 50 of. I placed a pre-order with my supplier for a loco with Sound and a short tender. After having the patience of Job for 4 years, I called him and told him to cancel the order as I figured that my demise would happen before they finally released it. Just about a year later, he called me to tell me they were coming in that Friday. He had forgotten to cancel my order. I sent him the check and picked up the loco at a friend's houde that Saturday.   All of the original shipment was sold in less than a week. Now the only ones available are those on ebay at double the price. Manufacturers no longer make hundreds of locos to sit on shelves waiting to be bought at reasonable prices. They produce "limited" runs at outrageous prices and focus on the well-heeled hobbyist.   Hobby shops can't afford large inventories at those prices and the manufacturers do not want unsold inventories in their warehouse. It is a market of "On-Demand" sales and manufacturing. Finding a train now requires pre-ordering and long waits for products to come from China on container ships.   Rant over, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53013	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

My attitude toward AF by Lionel has been pretty much like Mike's. But I cannot ignore that Lionel is increasing its investment in AF S by a huge amount and a few of the products are really outstanding, like the new Mikados and Pacifics. I have zero interest in the new GE diesel they are offering but the fact that they are offering it with scale wheels indicates a huge change in attitude toward the S market. I am still amazed that collectors or operators would pay exorbitant prices for ordinary box cars. And the prices for the accessories seem real high to me too, but they kind of have a monopoly on the accessory line. I am sure some of us are drooling over some of these items, though not me, at least not yet. Despite a long-standing bias against Lionel, I was impressed to the extreme by the Lionel exhibit at the WGH Show here in Nashville just a couple of weeks ago I just wish they had been exhibiting similar products in S. There was one small circle of track with a Baldwin switcher pulling a few freight cars but everything else was O-27. The Lionel exhibit was directly across from the NASG booth that I was manning along with Jim Sleeth, Jim Schall, Ron Hirst, and Corky Ford. On Saturday, one of the Lionel guys visited and asked if any of us had the Flyonel Mikado or Pacific. I told him about the Southern Mikado I had at home but never had gotten to work on TMCC. He suggested I bring it in on Sunday and he would take a look at it. On Sunday it took him about 5 minutes to have it working perfectly. Now I really love that Mikado. I do not know why I had trouble getting it to work but it sure was quick and simple for the Lionel guy. We ran it most of the afternnon and it attracted a lot of attention. I really appreciated that Lionel guy. It probably does not make a lot of sense for Lionel to offer scale wheels on most of their AF line because scalers would not be interested in the inferior items. But it will be interesting to see if they offer scale wheels sometime in the future on their Pacifics, Mikados, and other high quality items. Perhaps a more important change would be for Lionel to adopt highrail wheelsets similar to those offered by SHS and AM. That would improve the appearance and operation, and such a move might result in NASG being able to establish standards for highrail wheels similar to the standards for scale wheels. - Earl Henry, Nashville . In a message dated 3/1/2009 10:24:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I think I am done with AF by Lionel. I ordered the remake of the CN reefer last year and I was disappointed in how it does not really look like the AF one. I think I have a unloading auto car coming from Bob Board's shop, but I think Lionel is way behind on making that. Not Bob fault I know. I wonder why they advertise things and they get delayed so bad. Does that happen with O items in their catalog? But then you all would not know that answer, since I know none of you have anything in O. LOL Mike Recent Activity * 5 _New Members_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMHBlMTFjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNs awN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjM1OTI0NjQ5) * 3 _New Photos_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcXA2ZGM4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN 2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjM1OTI0NjQ5) _Visit Your Group _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGNrdnZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw N2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMzU5MjQ2NDk-) Yahoo! Finance _It's Now Personal_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14hnvp09d/M=493064.12016257.12445664.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1235931849/L=/B=Hkv6CUPD hEo-/J=1235924649534530/K=dwIM9o_92zNCPDc9H_i9yQ/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4rskk/* http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance) Guides, news, advice & more. Drive Traffic _Sponsored Search_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14hfgacdm/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1235931849/L=/B=H0v6CUPDh Eo-/J=1235924649534530/K=dwIM9o_92zNCPDc9H_i9yQ/A=4025338/R=0/SIG=12jnci1fd/*h ttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srch/index.p hp) can help increase your site traffic. Yahoo! Groups _Everyday Wellness Zone_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14huqqenl/M=493064.12662708.12980600.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1235931849/L=/B=IEv 6CUPDhEo-/J=1235924649534530/K=dwIM9o_92zNCPDc9H_i9yQ/A=5349275/R=0/SIG=11nhsq mjq/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/EverydayWellness/) Check out featured healthy living groups. . **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53014	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

You're welcome.  I have heard several people refer to Romer's papers.  Are they available anywhere online?  Or can they be purchased somewhere?  I would love to to use them as a resource for my website TheGilbertGallery.org. Bob --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:04 PM Thanks for that info. I was starting to wonder about the accuracy of the man, THE Maury Romer, who actually was involved in Gilbert train set compilation record keeping back in the day. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Bob Tufts book lists three variations of the set. You're both right. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:20 PM Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53015	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

Glad to hear they screw up the other lines they make. LOL, but sad. If I remember correctly, the first picture I saw and a sample I saw at York of the remake of the CN was just like the original CN by AF. The car is a very shiny light gray, not dark and dull. Very disappointed in that. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53016	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Grain of Wheat Bulb

Ah but Mike loves when I send him Downtown Train by Waits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzfCu3pvE1A&feature=related This probably was the cause of the end of the AC Gilbert Company, the song. Best train song ever!!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Hate is such a strong word...QUEASY is more to the point...Mike Who In a message dated 3/1/2009 8:24:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Mike is always cool about things. O:)! He is even cool to all the Tom Waits songs I send him from YouTube. LOL He hates Tom Waits songs. Mike in MD ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grain of Wheat Bulb Everything is cool . Mike Who In a message dated 2/28/2009 7:41:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _cornwall9@..._ (mailto:cornwall9@...) writes: Hi Mike, ===== Nick, I know that Elec. knows no scale. But the GOW was brought about for use in HO, was my point. Mike Who ===== gotcha. My misundetstanding. Model railroading is FUN. <VBG> Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**You're invited to Hollywood's biggest p updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (_http://movies.http://movies.http://movies.http://movies.<Whttp://mo_ (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53017	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

Mike, No to be piling on Lionel, because I have generally had good luck with the new stuff, however: Back in my O gauge days, I bought one of the scale Hudson sets, part of their War Horse series. The engine and cars were lightly weathered and looked great. But the engine never ran well and I found out later that the drive mechanism was machined too tight. After two trips to the factory (it came with a lifetime warranty) it still doesn¹t run properly. So it just sits on the shelf, an artifact from my even more foolish youth... Roy Inman on 3/1/09 12:30 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > Glad to hear they screw up the other lines they make. LOL, but sad. > > If I remember correctly, the first picture I saw and a sample I saw at York of > the remake of the CN was just like the original CN by AF. > > The car is a very shiny light gray, not dark and dull. > > Very disappointed in that. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53018	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

They have started putting a zip tie holding the sound board in place on the pins of the mother board. I think this has solved some problems with it being handled roughly by UPS and USPS. I am betting all he did was push the board down further onto the pins, but hey who knows. I had one Mikado that had been slammed down so hard it broke the tender trucks. You could see the imprint in the foam. Fortunately they are easy to replace, and the parts were readily available. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tennsgauge@... Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 Flyonel catalog update My attitude toward AF by Lionel has been pretty much like Mike's. But I cannot ignore that Lionel is increasing its investment in AF S by a huge amount and a few of the products are really outstanding, like the new Mikados and Pacifics. I have zero interest in the new GE diesel they are offering but the fact that they are offering it with scale wheels indicates a huge change in attitude toward the S market. I am still amazed that collectors or operators would pay exorbitant prices for ordinary box cars. And the prices for the accessories seem real high to me too, but they kind of have a monopoly on the accessory line. I am sure some of us are drooling over some of these items, though not me, at least not yet. Despite a long-standing bias against Lionel, I was impressed to the extreme by the Lionel exhibit at the WGH Show here in Nashville just a couple of weeks ago I just wish they had been exhibiting similar products in S. There was one small circle of track with a Baldwin switcher pulling a few freight cars but everything else was O-27. The Lionel exhibit was directly across from the NASG booth that I was manning along with Jim Sleeth, Jim Schall, Ron Hirst, and Corky Ford. On Saturday, one of the Lionel guys visited and asked if any of us had the Flyonel Mikado or Pacific. I told him about the Southern Mikado I had at home but never had gotten to work on TMCC. He suggested I bring it in on Sunday and he would take a look at it. On Sunday it took him about 5 minutes to have it working perfectly. Now I really love that Mikado. I do not know why I had trouble getting it to work but it sure was quick and simple for the Lionel guy. We ran it most of the afternnon and it attracted a lot of attention. I really appreciated that Lionel guy. It probably does not make a lot of sense for Lionel to offer scale wheels on most of their AF line because scalers would not be interested in the inferior items. But it will be interesting to see if they offer scale wheels sometime in the future on their Pacifics, Mikados, and other high quality items. Perhaps a more important change would be for Lionel to adopt highrail wheelsets similar to those offered by SHS and AM. That would improve the appearance and operation, and such a move might result in NASG being able to establish standards for highrail wheels similar to the standards for scale wheels. - Earl Henry, Nashville . In a message dated 3/1/2009 10:24:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> com writes: I think I am done with AF by Lionel. I ordered the remake of the CN reefer last year and I was disappointed in how it does not really look like the AF one. I think I have a unloading auto car coming from Bob Board's shop, but I think Lionel is way behind on making that. Not Bob fault I know. I wonder why they advertise things and they get delayed so bad. Does that happen with O items in their catalog? But then you all would not know that answer, since I know none of you have anything in O. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53019	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...

Dear Roy, I think there might be just a little mis-information in your e- mail. The container ships do not spend days or even hours extra in port over manifests. This is done per container and not for the ship. The containers are off loaded, the ships go to the next port. The schedules are so tight, they do not hang around for customs like that. It is actually faster for us to use container freight ships that go through the Panama canal to the port of New York, than to have them offload in Long Beach and get snarled in the UP mess waiting to leave on a container train going east. Plus the cost is lower. It now takes about 25 to 28 days for us to get a shipment after it leaves Hong Kong. And Lionel uses the shame builder. As far as computers and internet, things are so much better than the days of faxes and telex. And I remember them well. There are lots of reasons why things are delayed. One of the biggest is sourcing parts. Lead times vary for electronics and materials. If your item has 100 different parts and you are missing one due to lead time problems, guess what. Your stuff is delayed. Best, Don On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Roy Inman wrote: > Mike, > > I hear local hobby shop managers complaining all the time of how > slow all > manufacturers are in releasing cataloged items. It is not just > Flyonel. Many > times a piece is cataloged and then not produced. This is not a new > phenomenon; happened in tbe �50�s as well, but according to one > source, it > happens more now. Marklin, trying to restructure in bankruptcy, > cancelled > ALL of its starter sets so I understand. > > Part of the problem is the overseas connection. Even given the > internet and > computers, distance is still an issue, as is language and culture. > Our train > stuff is transported by boat and boats are slower than trains :) > Plus, boats > sometimes sit in harbor for days or weeks or longer while their > manifests > are inspected and checked. Never know when a terrorist might be > lurking > inside a bib box of standard gauge engines... > > Roy Inman > topic (3)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 5 > New Members > 3 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53020	From: Rosie	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial

The catalog has been sent to the dealers. They'll have bulk catalogs, for customers, latter this week. Many new ideas for "O". The U-33C for AF looks interesting. Most of the other "S" items seem to be re-issues. They have a commerative line for "O" trains. One item a remake of the 1951 F3 sets. The catalog makes them appear to be exact replicas. As in '51, one set is NYC the other SF. But, for some reason the NYC set is priced at $100 more. No matter what, prices across the board have been increased. No longer will discounting be allowed. ----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New S Scale Diesel - Commercial I looked on line and the 2009 Lionel catalogue is not there yet. What roadname? If you say like SHS, will it come with interchangeable scale and hi-rail wheels and couplers? This sounds interesting. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> wrote: > > Just a note to let all interested that we have placed a substantial > reservation on the new American Flyer U33C and are soliciting firm > reservations. Some have poo-pooed this new locomotive, but we have > great faith. This will be the first Lionel produced S Scale > locomotives that includes scale wheels following SHS example. Road > names are Erie Lackawanna and Southern Pacific. MSRP is $369.95. No > deposit is required for reserving. > > Naturally, these will look terrific pulling S Scale America later > freight cars. > > Ron Sebastian > Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America > 1468 Lee Street > Des Plaines, IL 60018 > 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53021	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Flyonel catalog update

Okay let all stand up and yell "I am not going to take it anymore!". Except Don Thompson and Ron Bashista. They don't care about Lionel. LOL Oh wait that was done in a movie and I do not think it helped much. Oh well, it seems that the problems in getting product in could happen to anyone. Okay put another Tom Waits song on. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 Flyonel catalog update Mike, No to be piling on Lionel, because I have generally had good luck with the new stuff, however: Back in my O gauge days, I bought one of the scale Hudson sets, part of their War Horse series. The engine and cars were lightly weathered and looked great. But the engine never ran well and I found out later that the drive mechanism was machined too tight. After two trips to the factory (it came with a lifetime warranty) it still doesn¹t run properly. So it just sits on the shelf, an artifact from my even more foolish youth... Roy Inman on 3/1/09 12:30 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > Glad to hear they screw up the other lines they make. LOL, but sad. > > If I remember correctly, the first picture I saw and a sample I saw at York of > the remake of the CN was just like the original CN by AF. > > The car is a very shiny light gray, not dark and dull. > > Very disappointed in that. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53022	From: John Keating	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Wanted: Front & Rear Truck Sideframes For A 479 Silver Flash

Wanted: Front & Rear Truck Sideframes with couplers and power pickups for a 479 Silver Flash ALCO PA unit. Please contact me off-list with details. Thank you in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53023	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: We are end users of used train rail scraps

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53024	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53025	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: We are end users of used train rail scraps

1 metric ton = 2205 pounds BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > > How much does a metric ton weigh in pounds? > > Just wondering in Lake 'county > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now and tackle the dirtiest jobs with the power of a steam cleaner! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTF77buDLUL6epXE3lD4Sr r3AlH98HV5XrFWmB8Zd4yObMYqCUSia8/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53026	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...

Don, Thanks for the clarification. I understand better now. But correct me here also if I'm wrong: would it not speed things up just a bit if the factory were out back instead of 8,000 miles away(or however far it is to the Far East), as it was in what some folks like to call "the good old days?" Roy Inman on 3/1/09 2:06 PM, Don Thompson at don@... wrote: > Dear Roy, > I think there might be just a little mis-information in your e- > mail. The container ships do not spend days or even hours extra in > port over manifests. This is done per container and not for the > ship. The containers are off loaded, the ships go to the next port. > The schedules are so tight, they do not hang around for customs like > that. It is actually faster for us to use container freight ships > that go through the Panama canal to the port of New York, than to have > them offload in Long Beach and get snarled in the UP mess waiting to > leave on a container train going east. Plus the cost is lower. It > now takes about 25 to 28 days for us to get a shipment after it leaves > Hong Kong. And Lionel uses the shame builder. > As far as computers and internet, things are so much better than > the days of faxes and telex. And I remember them well. There are > lots of reasons why things are delayed. One of the biggest is > sourcing parts. Lead times vary for electronics and materials. If > your item has 100 different parts and you are missing one due to lead > time problems, guess what. Your stuff is delayed. > Best, > Don > > On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Roy Inman wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> I hear local hobby shop managers complaining all the time of how >> slow all >> manufacturers are in releasing cataloged items. It is not just >> Flyonel. Many >> times a piece is cataloged and then not produced. This is not a new >> phenomenon; happened in tbe Œ50‚s as well, but according to one >> source, it >> happens more now. Marklin, trying to restructure in bankruptcy, >> cancelled >> ALL of its starter sets so I understand. >> >> Part of the problem is the overseas connection. Even given the >> internet and >> computers, distance is still an issue, as is language and culture. >> Our train >> stuff is transported by boat and boats are slower than trains :) >> Plus, boats >> sometimes sit in harbor for days or weeks or longer while their >> manifests >> are inspected and checked. Never know when a terrorist might be >> lurking >> inside a bib box of standard gauge engines... >> >> Roy Inman >> topic (3)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic >> Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | >> Calendar >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) >> Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch >> format to Traditional >> Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe >> RECENT ACTIVITY >> 5 >> New Members >> 3 >> New Photos >> Visit Your Group >> Give Back >> Yahoo! for Good >> Get inspired >> by a good cause. >> Y! Toolbar >> Get it Free! >> easy 1-click access >> to your groups. >> Yahoo! Groups >> Start a group >> in 3 easy steps. >> Connect with others. >> . >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53027	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/1/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53028	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Metric Ton

and he notes - A Metric Ton or "Tonne" weighs 2,204.6226 pounds, give or take a gram! Raleigh in still snowy Maine... At 05:16 PM 3/1/2009, n9guy@... wrote: > How much does a metric ton weigh in pounds? > > Just wondering in Lake 'county

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53029	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Roy, > I think there might be just a little mis-information in your e- And Lionel uses the shame builder. Hey Don, was that a freudian slip or what????? LOL dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53030	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...

Dear Roy, I would bet it would save no more than a month if you were able to have stuff made here. But, the delay in time does not offset the cost of production. I have used this example a bunch of times. Look at the end of one of our freight cars (SSA too, do not want to slight my big brother Ron). We have end numbers imprinted. That is one hit of a pad printer and cost us $0.05 (or did a few years ago). The same hit here would have cost us $0.25. Now multiply that by every hit on the car and we are starting to talk big bucks per car. The same is for grab irons. To apply one to our cars cost $0.60, we were quoted $0.30 to have this done here. They are called "ops", short for operations. Prices are calculated on these manufacturing costs and it really does cost 5X more for some of the costs. The materials are similar and not a savings. And, some can find tooling made by small shops that can cost about the same, but the decorations and assembly cost are much, much less. That is why stuff is made in the orient and not here. Although I am envious of Kadee's success in making some really nice HO freight cars domestically, we do not have the expertise or the facilities to attempt such a project. Don On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > Don, > > Thanks for the clarification. I understand better now. > > But correct me here also if I'm wrong: would it not speed things up > just a > bit if the factory were out back instead of 8,000 miles away(or > however far > it is to the Far East), as it was in what some folks like to call > "the good > old days?" > > Roy Inman > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53031	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Metric Ton

OR just shy 5 lbs of a long ton Mike Who In a message dated 3/1/2009 3:08:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, raleigh15@... writes: and he notes - A Metric Ton or "Tonne" weighs 2,204.6226 pounds, give or take a gram! Raleigh in still snowy Maine... At 05:16 PM 3/1/2009, _n9guy@..._ (mailto:n9guy@...) wrote: > How much does a metric ton weigh in pounds? > > Just wondering in Lake 'county **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53032	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: 336 tender pick up shoe

You are absolutely right about the worn truck journals. Keep in mind a couple of things: First, Hudson and Northern tenders are the heaviest ones in the line. Second, Hardly anybody oiled the axle journals as per instructions in the service diagrams. So, the combination of those factors wore the axle holes more than other tenders. When I did my 336 tender some years ago, I epoxied the eyelet bushings with conductive epoxy from one of the electronics parts houses. (expennnnsive!) Then, I used graphite for lubrication. On further thought, since the bronze pickup wiper actually picks up the current through the wheels, the conducting epoxy is unnecessary. I find the pickup shoes rather useless wherever they are used, especially in diesels, unless you hard wire the box itself, or better yet the shoe itself, since the springs seem to take a lot of punishment and conduct electricity which they shouldn't do. I do recommend epoxying those bushings whenever you use them, they make the cars roll much better! Steve ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHF6xIPL7xv3G5G2qU9fZjappW18H4gtzymLUPc8dlva8vtXXkZvK/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53033	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Metric Ton

OPPS.... Make that just over by less than 5 lbs In a message dated 3/1/2009 3:08:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, raleigh15@... writes: and he notes - A Metric Ton or "Tonne" weighs 2,204.6226 pounds, give or take a gram! Raleigh in still snowy Maine... At 05:16 PM 3/1/2009, _n9guy@..._ (mailto:n9guy@...) wrote: > How much does a metric ton weigh in pounds? > > Just wondering in Lake 'county **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53034	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...

Don, Yes, I should have mentioned that I understand the dynamics of the economic realities. I was merely trying to make a connection between the past, when it did not take two years for Gilbert to bring an item to production that was already cataloged. True also that models were far simpler back then, electrically and detail-wise. I know that making our favorite things in America ain¹t gonna happen any time soon and wasn¹t necessarily arguing for it. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 3/1/09 5:50 PM, Don Thompson at don@... wrote: > > > > Dear Roy, > I would bet it would save no more than a month if you were able to > have stuff made here. But, the delay in time does not offset the cost > of production. I have used this example a bunch of times. Look at > the end of one of our freight cars (SSA too, do not want to slight my > big brother Ron). We have end numbers imprinted. That is one hit of > a pad printer and cost us $0.05 (or did a few years ago). The same > hit here would have cost us $0.25. Now multiply that by every hit on > the car and we are starting to talk big bucks per car. The same is > for grab irons. To apply one to our cars cost $0.60, we were quoted > $0.30 to have this done here. They are called "ops", short for > operations. Prices are calculated on these manufacturing costs and it > really does cost 5X more for some of the costs. The materials are > similar and not a savings. And, some can find tooling made by small > shops that can cost about the same, but the decorations and assembly > cost are much, much less. That is why stuff is made in the orient and > not here. Although I am envious of Kadee's success in making some > really nice HO freight cars domestically, we do not have the expertise > or the facilities to attempt such a project. > Don > > On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > >> > Don, >> > >> > Thanks for the clarification. I understand better now. >> > >> > But correct me here also if I'm wrong: would it not speed things up >> > just a >> > bit if the factory were out back instead of 8,000 miles away(or >> > however far >> > it is to the Far East), as it was in what some folks like to call >> > "the good >> > old days?" >> > >> > Roy Inman >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53035	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Product delays...

In a way yes, But now that J.P. Morgan has dumped them, I have a better feeling about the company. It was truly horrible what they did. Don PS Other than not being able to spell, I sometimes do not type all that well either. On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:09 PM, reynoldsjmus wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Roy, > > I think there might be just a little mis-information in your e- > And Lionel uses the shame builder. > > Hey Don, was that a freudian slip or what????? LOL dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53036	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: AF Lionel

I mention that I was disappointed with the CN remake by Lionel. However, I got the baggage loader just to get the 974 Erie remake car with it. The Erie remake is just like the AF one, except the Erie Sticker on the remake is printed on the car which is fine. I am very happy with the car, as the finish to the car, is just like the AF one. Go figure. They exceed your expectations for something only to be ruined later by not making another remake to how it should be. I don't understand their thinking. I sent this to a few O gauge friends. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53037	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Lionel 2009 catalog picture

When you get the catalog, it will have the typical artists conception or retouched photos. Note that the blue cattle car is running sheet metal link stlye trucks and that the couplers seem awful close to the body. Not a bad mouthing...just seems kind of funny that they would depict trucks out of production since the fifties instead of new trucks. :-) Stumpy Stone..in cold and windy Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53038	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Most Important item

I have discovered that the most important item I need to take care of in building my layout is to find some kind of cup holder to attach to the side of the table for holding beverages. O:)! And non alcoholic ones, as we don't drive over the limit the trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53039	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase

Gentlemen and Ladies: My water tender project is coming along nicely now that I have discovered that epoxy does not hold and airplane sniffin' glue does! My water tender's tank is built from two repo tender shells. I need to add the top handrail. Does anyone know where to get the 1/2 round wire A. C. Gilbert used to tied down the handrails? (A couple of 8 inch lengths of the handrail wire would be nice too.) May be steel, copper, brass, plastic, etc. No one will know after I painted them. Thank you for your help, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53040	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase

Marty, The holding wires are actually minature cotter pins, available from Doug Peck at Portlines. I found suitable wire at Michael's craft store. It is called floral wire found with the artificial flowers. It comes in different diameters, but it works quite well. Good luck, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: thorin.marty@... Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:06:55 -0600 Subject: [S-Trains] 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase Gentlemen and Ladies: My water tender project is coming along nicely now that I have discovered that epoxy does not hold and airplane sniffin' glue does! My water tender's tank is built from two repo tender shells. I need to add the top handrail. Does anyone know where to get the 1/2 round wire A. C. Gilbert used to tied down the handrails? (A couple of 8 inch lengths of the handrail wire would be nice too.) May be steel, copper, brass, plastic, etc. No one will know after I painted them. Thank you for your help, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53041	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: (no subject)

Perhaps a more important change would be for Lionel to adopt highrail wheelsets similar to those offered by SHS and AM. That would improve the appearance and operation, and such a move might result in NASG being able to establish standards for highrail wheels similar to the standards for scale wheels. - Earl Henry, Nashville Boy, wouldn't that be nice. Bill Clark just posted a short clip on wheel gauging on my web site: The videos are here <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/video/VideoTTT.html> Please have a look at let us know what you think. Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53042	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase

Don't know about a 1/2 -round wire, but they did use tiny cotter pins in the steamer boilers.  The cotter pins are put in holes in the boiler, their legs flared out inside the boiler to hold them, and then the handrail could be threaded through them.  The cotter pins are available at most of the AF parts sources. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 6:06:55 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] 4-8-4 tender handrail wires -- want to purchase Gentlemen and Ladies: My water tender project is coming along nicely now that I have discovered that epoxy does not hold and airplane sniffin' glue does! My water tender's tank is built from two repo tender shells. I need to add the top handrail. Does anyone know where to get the 1/2 round wire A. C. Gilbert used to tied down the handrails? (A couple of 8 inch lengths of the handrail wire would be nice too.) May be steel, copper, brass, plastic, etc. No one will know after I painted them. Thank you for your help, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53043	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Wheel gauging

Sorry for the double post, I forgot the subject line. _____ Perhaps a more important change would be for Lionel to adopt highrail wheelsets similar to those offered by SHS and AM. That would improve the appearance and operation, and such a move might result in NASG being able to establish standards for highrail wheels similar to the standards for scale wheels. - Earl Henry, Nashville Boy, wouldn't that be nice. Bill Clark just posted a short clip on wheel gauging on my web site: The videos are here <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/video/VideoTTT.html> Please have a look at let us know what you think. Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53044	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: New Lionel Catalog

It has not been mentioned that the New U33C diesels are Legacy TMCC equipped with all the features except remote couplers. Considering this, that is a pretty fair price. This is the First AF Diesel TMCC offered by Lionel. I predict a sellout. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53045	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re:

The real shame here is that "L" did change the wheel contour a few years back for a NYC PA AA set. But, the next run they returned to the pikemaster type diesel wheel contour (correct me here if I am wrong, the classic AC Gilbert diesel drivers were smaller than the pikemaster type that "L" embraced). I asked Todd Wagner the project mgr. at that time. He told me they had complaints about the new smaller wheel. When I asked how many, he told me about a dozen. I was surprised by what a very tiny percentage of the owners complaining would cause them to panic and go back to the larger wheels. Oh well. Don On Mar 2, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Thomas Stoltz wrote: > Perhaps a more important change would be for Lionel to adopt highrail > wheelsets similar to those offered by SHS and AM. > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > Boy, wouldn't that be nice. > > Bill Clark just posted a short clip on wheel gauging on my web site: > The > videos are here <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/video/VideoTTT.html> > > Please have a look at let us know what you think. > > Thanks, > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > > www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53046	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: A/F trucks

In a message dated 3/2/2009 10:02:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tstoltz@... writes: Perhaps a more important change would be for Lionel to adopt highrail wheelsets similar to those offered by SHS and AM. That would improve the appearance Supposedly LIONEL is going to use the K-Line trucks copied from the SHS trucks when the current supply of "ugly" cast trucks runs out. Wonder when they will run out of the ugly stamped tin floors and replace them??? Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53047	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Wanted

I am looking for parts to complete a " Miller ) switch engine. I am in need any truck, magnets motor parts, etc Thank you Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmSatMMcqPzPJ9j4cCSE3xVMyvG6Dk3b93ahxOgnF1kIIlrDDxe/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53048	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: engine not performing correctly

I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53049	From: rpuls3	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Original American Flyer transformers

I have to thank the folks who refered me to the previous letter that was in the archives as to the wiring with a polarized plug, I am now well on my way to having transformers rewired and phasing problems solved. This group has a great bunch of people willing to help and not leave us hanging. Thanks again, Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53050	From: william cole	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Lionel new loco, et al

It seems as though the attention being paid to scale wheelsets by Lionel this time will be a good thing for all concerned...   the U-boat is just past my timeline of modelling eras, but it should be a beauty, and the EL paint scheme will be an eyecatcher for sure.   hopefully the scale wheelset side is well received, and this will be the way things will be done from here on.    Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53051	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

Dirty track and or poor connecting pin contact is first culprit to attend to. Steve Boise In a message dated 03/02/2009 11:02:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, theron59@... writes: I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53052	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

are you using Flyer track?  That should be fine on 4 X *8  The new stuff 56" or what ever it is  will not work.   OK how does the train run on the straight track? AND  did you clean the dirty track, maybe with scotch brite? Mike in Lake County IL --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@...> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@...> Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: s-trains@... Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53053	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Most Important item

Don, Thanks as I did a google search and did not get much. Some things for a pool table, as they where inserts. I am sending this to the S list, as they can read your response below. I need to go back to a 1960's bowling alley and steal one of those. LOL Just kidding. I will look into a boat dealer, as I might be able to make something out of wood. Oh wait, those cup holders at baseball stadiums! I go to Nationals Park 11 times this year, plus some minor league game. I will bring a screw driver with me. Maybe there is a baseball stadium catalog, as I should join a association for baseball stadiums since I do own S Helper Field, one of the most important ball parks in the nation. Update on the baseball lights. I pulled all my switch controllers, a DCC unit, and some accessory buttons off the control board, as I had to drill three holes for toggle switches for different lights on the layout, ballpark, street lights and buildings. I had to do some side drilling to make the board a bit thinner for the toggle switches to go through the board. I got it all re spackled and painted as everything is almost back in place. then I will hook the lights back up, as I never had all 8 light towers on. However, the first game is April 4, always a day game for a home opener, as always the next day is a day off, so I had April 6 to be the first night game. However, the NCAA basketball final is that day, so I pushed the first night game to April 7. We installed the HO kidney shape swimming pool with authentic 1960's dust from my home basement at the time, as Hugo, Che and Baseball player are testing it out. Hugo is on the diving board ready to do a cannon ball. He likes cannon balls in many ways. I think he has some aimed at his neighbor country. Mike Marmer Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [toytrains] Most Important item < I have discovered that the most important item I need to take care of in building my layout is to find some kind of cup holder to attach to the side of the table for holding beverages. And non alcoholic ones, as we don't drive over the limit the trains. Mike Marmer > I have thoroughly enjoyed following the progress of your building efforts. Well done! I know your beverage holder quest is tongue in cheek, but you may try a boat dealer. Removable holders are made that slip into a mounted slot. The holder can be removed when not in use, and it swivels to accomodate the motion of the table when the baseball games are in progress. Good job. Don Bladen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53054	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

Mike,   Thanks for the quick response.  Just used this eraser-like thing on the track but suspect it could use something a little more aggressive. Yes, I am using the original Flyer track but as I said in my post, to make my layout I did have to force a curve here and there and consequently the track did not fit snuggly in places, however the track pins should all be connected with the rails. I will try the Scotch Brite.   Mark --- On Mon, 3/2/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:10 PM are you using Flyer track?  That should be fine on 4 X *8  The new stuff 56" or what ever it is  will not work.   OK how does the train run on the straight track? AND  did you clean the dirty track, maybe with scotch brite? Mike in Lake County IL --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53055	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel's U33C

----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson . . . . .the New U33C diesels are Legacy TMCC . . . . . . .This is the First AF Diesel TMCC offered by Lionel. > > > > > > > > > > Is that good? I wonder if we will be able to remove the electronics and sell them, maybe to someone who does TMCC installations in other locos. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53056	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

Thanks for the info.  Would placing extra electrical contact at several places along the set up help also...providing of course that the same color wire connects to the same rail?  --- On Mon, 3/2/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:06 PM Dirty track and or poor connecting pin contact is first culprit to attend to. Steve Boise In a message dated 03/02/2009 11:02:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, theron59@yahoo. com writes: I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. ************ **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs. aol.com/gallery/ growing-job- industries? ncid=emlcntuscar e00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53057	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

The pics show the new U-boats have smoke, but that feature is not listed. What do you think - - smoke or not? Would be great if they do and if they failed to also mention electro-couplers as well. The couplers in the pics look as though they might be. Granted just artist renderings, but still - - would be great to have Legacy plus smoke and electro's. Time will tell. BTW, on the first page, do you get just the magnifying glass? I do. Pain, because you can't click on anything to activate it, just enlarge it. Have to go to the margins and go page by page. I think they may have a control bug or two to work out yet with the new navigation features. PS the 6-48075 NE EP-5 has one motor, not 2 as I had been told some time ago by a Lionel rep it would. They get their O-gauge S-gauge product features mixed up sometimes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53058	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

I do not know what engine you are using, but I run my steam engines with the drive wheel off the track.  Use two tracks the front leading  truck on the first track and the trailing truck with the tender and put power to the rear track.  then give it the full throttle.  see if that gets it going. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@...> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:32 PM Mike,   Thanks for the quick response.  Just used this eraser-like thing on the track but suspect it could use something a little more aggressive. Yes, I am using the original Flyer track but as I said in my post, to make my layout I did have to force a curve here and there and consequently the track did not fit snuggly in places, however the track pins should all be connected with the rails. I will try the Scotch Brite.   Mark --- On Mon, 3/2/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:10 PM are you using Flyer track?  That should be fine on 4 X *8  The new stuff 56" or what ever it is  will not work.   OK how does the train run on the straight track? AND  did you clean the dirty track, maybe with scotch brite? Mike in Lake County IL --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53059	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

The Artwork is just a O Gauge loco PhotoShopped on AF track. No Smoke or Electro Couplers is my bet. I looked twice at the smoke too.. Would have been cool. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog The pics show the new U-boats have smoke, but that feature is not listed. What do you think - - smoke or not? Would be great if they do and if they failed to also mention electro-couplers as well. The couplers in the pics look as though they might be. Granted just artist renderings, but still - - would be great to have Legacy plus smoke and electro's. Time will tell. BTW, on the first page, do you get just the magnifying glass? I do. Pain, because you can't click on anything to activate it, just enlarge it. Have to go to the margins and go page by page. I think they may have a control bug or two to work out yet with the new navigation features. PS the 6-48075 NE EP-5 has one motor, not 2 as I had been told some time ago by a Lionel rep it would. They get their O-gauge S-gauge product features mixed up sometimes. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53060	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

Original radius Flyer track should fit on a 4x8 with no problem forcing it to fit. If your are unsure about the track SHS makes a nice starter track set that with an extra box of straights will fill a 4x8 nicely plus the rails look and conduct better. My Flyer seems much happier on the SHS track than original Flyer plus the track stays together well without track locks for a temporary layout.   Bob --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@...> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@...> Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: s-trains@... Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:51 PM I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53061	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

Thanks for the reply, Bob.  I will try and find some info on SHS track.  Already have my original in place on the board and want to try getting it work first before buying replacement track. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 3:36 PM Original radius Flyer track should fit on a 4x8 with no problem forcing it to fit. If your are unsure about the track SHS makes a nice starter track set that with an extra box of straights will fill a 4x8 nicely plus the rails look and conduct better. My Flyer seems much happier on the SHS track than original Flyer plus the track stays together well without track locks for a temporary layout.   Bob --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:51 PM I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53062	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

The next question: Does the engine merely stop getting power or does it "seize up?" Dave in MD -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly I do not know what engine you are using, but I run my steam engines with the drive wheel off the track.  Use two tracks the front leading  truck on the first track and the trailing truck with the tender and put power to the rear track.  then give it the full throttle.  see if that gets it going. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@...> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:32 PM Mike,   Thanks for the quick response.  Just used this eraser-like thing on the track but suspect it could use something a little more aggressive. Yes, I am using the original Flyer track but as I said in my post, to make my layout I did have to force a curve here and there and consequently the track did not fit snuggly in places, however the track pins should all be connected with the rails. I will try the Scotch Brite.   Mark --- On Mon, 3/2/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:10 PM are you using Flyer track?  That should be fine on 4 X *8  The new stuff 56" or what ever it is  will not work.   OK how does the train run on the straight track? AND  did you clean the dirty track, maybe with scotch brite? Mike in Lake County IL --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53063	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: stampede!

Anonymous sent me another news report on today's happenings at the D&K RR. Mike Dingburg, MD (Reuters) An undetermined number of Angus cattle are at large in this eastern Maryland community after they escaped from a loading pen around 10:00 a.m. EST this morning. Employees of the D&KRR were supposed to be loading the animals onto rail cars for shipment to Baltimore slaughterhouses. "They just panicked", said Mosquito Rodriguez, who added that the hairs on the bases of the animals' vinyl feet seemed to suddenly stand on end. "Next thing we knew, them bawling bovines had broken through the stockpen fence and went charging down Railroad Avenue." The D&K loading pens were constructed some 54 years ago by the A. C. Gilbert Company of New Haven CT. "They really knew how to build stuff back then", said local resident Che Guevera. "These fences were made of enameled steel, about three scale inches thick. Them cows just ripped right through them like they was balsa wood." Astonished toll collectors at Plasticville Turnpike stared in disbelief as the harried heifers hoofed through the toll plaza without paying. The scurrying steers stopped briefly to slake their thirst at the Dingburg Starlite Motel, whose swimming pool had just been partially filled with water that morning to test its caulking. Animal rights activists are searching the D&K railyards for clues as to what sort of inhumane treatment could have panicked an entire herd of cattle. At press time, attention was being focused on a giant 8,000 gallon tub of dehydrated beef stock that someone had inconsiderately placed atop a stock car. "How insensitive to an animal's feelings", remarked Sgt. Marx of the Dingburg police. "Would you post a picture of Colonel Sanders over the door of your chicken house?" Mr. Rodriguez was given notification of termination by the D&K Railroad. When he asked his supervisor for a reason, he was told it was because of one missed steak after another.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53064	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Fw: stampede!

I forgot that these pictures sort of go with the story below, as this is the latest also on the layout. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1700963404/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc The Plasticville HO Hotel 1960's Kidney Shape swimming pool was moved over to the ballpark. The pool comes complete with biblical ancient dust from my 1960's childhood home. Cannot wash all those unpleasant memories away. LOL Long story someday. Okay, there where good times too. LOL Anyway, Hugo is on the diving board, as that might be dangerous since it is kind of a old plastic diving board. It might be rotten by now. Might have to get a replacement board at York. I am missing one ladder piece, the curved plastic in the pool, but it might be in my big box of HO crap, err stuff, that is in a laboratory Styrofoam box that was suppose to used in the 1970's to ship animal cell cultures to Singapore. That was a weekend job while in college working in tissue culture for a lab. Oh the stories I can tell you about those days. LOL This box is huge. I will have to get a picture, but it makes for a great storage box for trains, as it is cardboard with Styrofoam inside. Che and Mosquito Rodriquez are in the pool testing out the water. We have no filter system, as Mosquito is asking Che what is that yellow color in the water. LOL I know, sickmind. In getting ready for the anticipated lighting of the ballpark lights hopefully tomorrow, I repainted the control table top, as I had to do some spackling. Plus, to install the toggle switches, one for ballpark, one for the street lights and one for the building, I had to drill out the wood underneath so that the switch will into the board. So I had to drill out the side a bit and patch it up. Plus I had to plug up some holes. I am also done in getting the switches all hooked up as I have to get the DCC unit box on for the track. As I said before, I am winging the design of things, as I am stumped on the "industrial" areas. for the milk area, I found a milk station with platform that is 3 inches wide, as I have 6 inches of space between tracks. I decided to run some unmarked black roadway behind the building, that will be there someday. I need to get a longer piece at Scenic Express at York in April. I figured out how many units of corn I will need for the small area behind the wall of the baseball field. I will have at least 4 rows of 11 units of 6. $240, ha, less than the price for a 1958 AF Milk Car. I might, might add some more, for some shorter rows, as there is 3 inches of space in some areas. At least I will never have to buy corn again, as it will never be cut down for market. And I present to you, one of the products that the AF Plastic cows will become. Beef base!!!!! And this Sexton brand, one of the most respected names in the food wholesale industries for quality is no more, being sold in 2000 to US Foodservice which in turn had a huge accounting scandal that cost a Dutch company allot of grief. Chicken base is coming soon to the layout. A note about my grandstands for the ballpark. they are being shipped back to KY as they have S scale grandstands, so I am sending them back for exchange. the funny thing is, at the train show in January, they where 35 each and he let me have them for 30. However on his website, O scale grandstands are 24.98. Go figure. No, I do not buy that he had expensives. LOL S are 22.98, so with shipping, he will owe me a credit. So, there is the latest from D&K RR land, as we hope that Hugo pays that high electric bill soon. Next Sunday March 8, I go to my first Milk Bottle show in Baltimore. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: stampede! > Anonymous sent me another news report on today's happenings at the D&K RR. > > Mike > > > Dingburg, MD (Reuters) > > An undetermined number of Angus cattle are at large in this eastern > Maryland community after they escaped from a loading pen around 10:00 a.m. > EST this morning. Employees of the D&KRR were supposed to be loading the > animals onto rail cars for shipment to Baltimore slaughterhouses. "They > just panicked", said Mosquito Rodriguez, who added that the hairs on the > bases of the animals' vinyl feet seemed to suddenly stand on end. "Next > thing we knew, them bawling bovines had broken through the stockpen fence > and went charging down Railroad Avenue." > > The D&K loading pens were constructed some 54 years ago by the A. C. > Gilbert Company of New Haven CT. "They really knew how to build stuff back > then", said local resident Che Guevera. "These fences were made of > enameled steel, about three scale inches thick. Them cows just ripped > right through them like they was balsa wood." > > Astonished toll collectors at Plasticville Turnpike stared in disbelief as > the harried heifers hoofed through the toll plaza without paying. The > scurrying steers stopped briefly to slake their thirst at the Dingburg > Starlite Motel, whose swimming pool had just been partially filled with > water that morning to test its caulking. > > Animal rights activists are searching the D&K railyards for clues as to > what sort of inhumane treatment could have panicked an entire herd of > cattle. At press time, attention was being focused on a giant 8,000 > gallon tub of dehydrated beef stock that someone had inconsiderately > placed atop a stock car. "How insensitive to an animal's feelings", > remarked Sgt. Marx of the Dingburg police. "Would you post a picture of > Colonel Sanders over the door of your chicken house?" > > Mr. Rodriguez was given notification of termination by the D&K Railroad. > When he asked his supervisor for a reason, he was told it was because of > one missed steak after another. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53065	From: John	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

Another thing you might check into besides the track and pickup wheels are the tiny fingers and drum on the reversing unit. They can get dirty and corroded. I was playing around with my 370 diesel today and it would run a little and stop. I VERY CAREFULLY cleaned the contacts and drum and now it runs like a dream!! Have Fun John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theron Theron" <theron59@...> To: <s-trains@...> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > > I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons > and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track > and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did > take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning > and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it > starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. > I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' > plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the > curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. > Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are > still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I > am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the > track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as > one hobby shop > suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any > suggestions and help out there. Thanks. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53066	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Fw: stampede!

From the secret writer of the news bulletins as I can not take credit for them. I never knew my deceased cats would be stars one day. I see a movie in the making. LOL Mike Mike: I suggest that we co-author a "Dink & Kitty Tales" article to appear in TCA's online magazine, E*Train. It would be a series of phony newspaper articles, each accompanied by the appropriate photograph. We should put them into some logical chronological sequence. I have some (not all) of the photos but I think we should crop them so each shows the punch line without extraneous background. I have had to clean out my sent-mail-box frequently so I don't have most of the "press releases". whattya think? JL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53067	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: stampede!

these news bulletins with pictures from my layout will be featured in the E magazine that the TCA has. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] stampede! Anonymous sent me another news report on today's happenings at the D&K RR. Mike Dingburg, MD (Reuters) An undetermined number of Angus cattle are at large in this eastern Maryland community after they escaped from a loading pen around 10:00 a.m. EST this morning. Employees of the D&KRR were supposed to be loading the animals onto rail cars for shipment to Baltimore slaughterhouses. "They just panicked", said Mosquito Rodriguez, who added that the hairs on the bases of the animals' vinyl feet seemed to suddenly stand on end. "Next thing we knew, them bawling bovines had broken through the stockpen fence and went charging down Railroad Avenue." The D&K loading pens were constructed some 54 years ago by the A. C. Gilbert Company of New Haven CT. "They really knew how to build stuff back then", said local resident Che Guevera. "These fences were made of enameled steel, about three scale inches thick. Them cows just ripped right through them like they was balsa wood." Astonished toll collectors at Plasticville Turnpike stared in disbelief as the harried heifers hoofed through the toll plaza without paying. The scurrying steers stopped briefly to slake their thirst at the Dingburg Starlite Motel, whose swimming pool had just been partially filled with water that morning to test its caulking. Animal rights activists are searching the D&K railyards for clues as to what sort of inhumane treatment could have panicked an entire herd of cattle. At press time, attention was being focused on a giant 8,000 gallon tub of dehydrated beef stock that someone had inconsiderately placed atop a stock car. "How insensitive to an animal's feelings", remarked Sgt. Marx of the Dingburg police. "Would you post a picture of Colonel Sanders over the door of your chicken house?" Mr. Rodriguez was given notification of termination by the D&K Railroad. When he asked his supervisor for a reason, he was told it was because of one missed steak after another. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53068	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

The engine is a steamer #302.  I did thoroughly clean the track surface with a fine foam sanding block tonight and got the engine to run much better.  Still stalled out periodically but at least made it around the track a few times.  I will also clean the wheels and get inside the tender to clean contacts as was suggested by another poster.  Could there be an issue with the transformer?  Or, do transformers either work or not?  Thanks to all for the advice. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Dave Highfield <davidh@...> wrote: From: Dave Highfield <davidh@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 4:31 PM The next question: Does the engine merely stop getting power or does it "seize up?" Dave in MD -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly I do not know what engine you are using, but I run my steam engines with the drive wheel off the track.  Use two tracks the front leading  truck on the first track and the trailing truck with the tender and put power to the rear track.  then give it the full throttle.  see if that gets it going. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:32 PM Mike,   Thanks for the quick response.  Just used this eraser-like thing on the track but suspect it could use something a little more aggressive. Yes, I am using the original Flyer track but as I said in my post, to make my layout I did have to force a curve here and there and consequently the track did not fit snuggly in places, however the track pins should all be connected with the rails. I will try the Scotch Brite.   Mark --- On Mon, 3/2/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:10 PM are you using Flyer track?  That should be fine on 4 X *8  The new stuff 56" or what ever it is  will not work.   OK how does the train run on the straight track? AND  did you clean the dirty track, maybe with scotch brite? Mike in Lake County IL --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my sons and am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the track and now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I did take the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for cleaning and lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I also want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' plywood for the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved track to conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. Consequently, some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still connected to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am experiencing with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track together, or do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any suggestions and help out there. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53069	From: Jerry Hiett	Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Trains Unlimited & gettin' old

Stumpy is just a kid. I was in high school in in 1954, and I am in no way "old". Jerry   -----Original Message----- From: ejenterp@... Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:59:16 -0800 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old If any of you have read the article in the March/April 2009 S gaugian page 27 you would have the answer. So, if he was 4 years old in Dec 1954 as it says, and you know his birthday is next week, Now, how old is Terry "Stumpy" Stone? Stumpy is zxcvbnm yrs old now and next week will be zxcvbnm +1. lol Also, many of Stumpy's old posts have stated his age. Summary is "he is still a young un" Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old That's funny! Nobody wants to guess an age. My guess is that Stumpy is about the same age as me - he sure acts like it! I'm 16 though I'm trapped in a body that is 65 going on 66. Stupidity drives me crazy but friends like all of you make all the difference! --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> Subject: [S-Trains] Trains Unlimited & gettin' old To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:31 PM The series Trains Unlimited was availible for a couple of years after it ran on TV from Video Rails or Pentrex on VHS tapes. However, I have not seen it offered on DVD. The series ran in the nineties, so it is probably not considered worth doing on DVD as it is kind of dated. Still, I think it was one of the better TV series done on trains. As far as being old, that's a relative question, I guess. If knowing the difference between quality and mediocraty is being old, I'm old. If being less tolerant of stupidity is getting old, I'm old. If not accepting everything at face value is being old, I'm old. If valuing friends more and more is getting old, I'm old. I'm sure that to many of you who, I might seem older than my years. I was started in this hobby and in auto racing very young. I have had a thirst for knowledge all my life and have been fortunate enough to constantly quench that thirst. On the other hand, those who know me also know I tend to have a twisted sense of humor of someone way younger than my years! And being a fat guy helps me look younger too! So, I'll tell you what, let's have some fun...YOU guess my age! I have a birthday coming up next week, you have until then to get it right! ;-) Stumpy Stone...the clock is running...in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53070	From: rep928	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Atlantic engine repair

I am trying to repair a 21160 Atlantic on behalf of a club member. This is one with the 2- position manual reverse switch. It doesn't run; there is power to the armature but it doesn't turn. I have: cleaned replaced the brushes and springs swapped out the armature tested the field for continuity (good) No luck. Any suggestions as to what to try next? It really looks like a short, but I'm not sure where. Could it be in the switch? Appreciate any help- Roy Plotnick (who hasn't posted in can't think how long)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53071	From: ooticamitica	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

Your transformer is most likely ok, Most of the times the old engines need a good in depth cleaning to work properly, check all the wire connections and the connections on the tender trucks may need to be cleaned depending on the condition it was stored in. try really fine sand paper in small pieces for cleaning the brass. -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53072	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: engine not performing correctly

This may have been brought up before, I tend to miss things ...... has the loco been bench-tested? Does it run fine off the track? Definitely makes a difference if track AND wheels are clean. I've even cleaned-up the track pins before. Hope that is just the problem. :^) Rick. On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Theron Theron wrote: > The engine is a steamer #302. I did thoroughly clean the track > surface with a fine foam sanding block tonight and got the engine to > run much better. Still stalled out periodically but at least made > it around the track a few times. I will also clean the wheels and > get inside the tender to clean contacts as was suggested by another > poster. Could there be an issue with the transformer? Or, do > transformers either work or not? Thanks to all for the advice. > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Dave Highfield <davidh@...> wrote: > > > From: Dave Highfield <davidh@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > > > > > The next question: > Does the engine merely stop getting power or does it "seize up?" > Dave in MD > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] > On Behalf > Of mike rosz > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:12 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > > I do not know what engine you are using, but I run my steam engines > with the > drive wheel off the track. Use two tracks the front leading truck > on the > first track and the trailing truck with the tender and put power to > the rear > track. then give it the full throttle. see if that gets it going. > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:32 PM > > Mike, > > Thanks for the quick response. Just used this eraser-like thing on > the > track but suspect it could use something a little more aggressive. > Yes, I am > using the original Flyer track but as I said in my post, to make my > layout I > did have to force a curve here and there and consequently the track > did not > fit snuggly in places, however the track pins should all be > connected with > the rails. > I will try the Scotch Brite. > > Mark > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:10 PM > > are you using Flyer track? That should be fine on 4 X *8 The new > stuff 56" > or what ever it is will not work. OK how does the train run on the > straight track? > AND did you clean the dirty track, maybe with scotch brite? > Mike in Lake County IL > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> > Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM > > I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my > sons and > am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the > track and > now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I > did take > the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for > cleaning and > lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, > either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I > also > want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' > plywood for > the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved > track to > conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. > Consequently, > some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still > connected > to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am > experiencing > with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track > together, or > do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop > suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any > suggestions and help out there. Thanks. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: > 03/01/09 > 17:46:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53073	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: New Christmas Car photos

I have posted photos of the two latest Christmas Cars from the Rapidrail-Colleran cosortium. Please note, the Dad's present car still needs a bow, but I am looking for one of those. Probably a plastic one from a child's hair strap. Up next are a Christmas Coal car and a walking toy soldier car. Down the road will be a combo car probably carrying elves and presents on the North Pole local. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53074	From: Glenn	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: stampede!

Now Mike for a little more realism you could cut Che and Mosquito Rodriquez in half and have 2 standing on the bottom of the pool and 2 diving in head first. Just a little more realistic than walking on water. Otherwise the layout and detail look great. Keep up the commentary. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 20:56 Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: stampede! I forgot that these pictures sort of go with the story below, as this is the latest also on the layout. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1700963404/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc The Plasticville HO Hotel 1960's Kidney Shape swimming pool was moved over to the ballpark. The pool comes complete with biblical ancient dust from my 1960's childhood home. Cannot wash all those unpleasant memories away. LOL Long story someday. Okay, there where good times too. LOL Anyway, Hugo is on the diving board, as that might be dangerous since it is kind of a old plastic diving board. It might be rotten by now. Might have to get a replacement board at York. I am missing one ladder piece, the curved plastic in the pool, but it might be in my big box of HO crap, err stuff, that is in a laboratory Styrofoam box that was suppose to used in the 1970's to ship animal cell cultures to Singapore. That was a weekend job while in college working in tissue culture for a lab. Oh the stories I can tell you about those days. LOL This box is huge. I will have to get a picture, but it makes for a great storage box for trains, as it is cardboard with Styrofoam inside. Che and Mosquito Rodriquez are in the pool testing out the water. We have no filter system, as Mosquito is asking Che what is that yellow color in the water. LOL I know, sickmind. In getting ready for the anticipated lighting of the ballpark lights hopefully tomorrow, I repainted the control table top, as I had to do some spackling. Plus, to install the toggle switches, one for ballpark, one for the street lights and one for the building, I had to drill out the wood underneath so that the switch will into the board. So I had to drill out the side a bit and patch it up. Plus I had to plug up some holes. I am also done in getting the switches all hooked up as I have to get the DCC unit box on for the track. As I said before, I am winging the design of things, as I am stumped on the "industrial" areas. for the milk area, I found a milk station with platform that is 3 inches wide, as I have 6 inches of space between tracks. I decided to run some unmarked black roadway behind the building, that will be there someday. I need to get a longer piece at Scenic Express at York in April. I figured out how many units of corn I will need for the small area behind the wall of the baseball field. I will have at least 4 rows of 11 units of 6. $240, ha, less than the price for a 1958 AF Milk Car. I might, might add some more, for some shorter rows, as there is 3 inches of space in some areas. At least I will never have to buy corn again, as it will never be cut down for market. And I present to you, one of the products that the AF Plastic cows will become. Beef base!!!!! And this Sexton brand, one of the most respected names in the food wholesale industries for quality is no more, being sold in 2000 to US Foodservice which in turn had a huge accounting scandal that cost a Dutch company allot of grief. Chicken base is coming soon to the layout. A note about my grandstands for the ballpark. they are being shipped back to KY as they have S scale grandstands, so I am sending them back for exchange. the funny thing is, at the train show in January, they where 35 each and he let me have them for 30. However on his website, O scale grandstands are 24.98. Go figure. No, I do not buy that he had expensives. LOL S are 22.98, so with shipping, he will owe me a credit. So, there is the latest from D&K RR land, as we hope that Hugo pays that high electric bill soon. Next Sunday March 8, I go to my first Milk Bottle show in Baltimore. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: stampede! > Anonymous sent me another news report on today's happenings at the D&K RR. > > Mike > > > Dingburg, MD (Reuters) > > An undetermined number of Angus cattle are at large in this eastern > Maryland community after they escaped from a loading pen around 10:00 a.m. > EST this morning. Employees of the D&KRR were supposed to be loading the > animals onto rail cars for shipment to Baltimore slaughterhouses. "They > just panicked", said Mosquito Rodriguez, who added that the hairs on the > bases of the animals' vinyl feet seemed to suddenly stand on end. "Next > thing we knew, them bawling bovines had broken through the stockpen fence > and went charging down Railroad Avenue." > > The D&K loading pens were constructed some 54 years ago by the A. C. > Gilbert Company of New Haven CT. "They really knew how to build stuff back > then", said local resident Che Guevera. "These fences were made of > enameled steel, about three scale inches thick. Them cows just ripped > right through them like they was balsa wood." > > Astonished toll collectors at Plasticville Turnpike stared in disbelief as > the harried heifers hoofed through the toll plaza without paying. The > scurrying steers stopped briefly to slake their thirst at the Dingburg > Starlite Motel, whose swimming pool had just been partially filled with > water that morning to test its caulking. > > Animal rights activists are searching the D&K railyards for clues as to > what sort of inhumane treatment could have panicked an entire herd of > cattle. At press time, attention was being focused on a giant 8,000 > gallon tub of dehydrated beef stock that someone had inconsiderately > placed atop a stock car. "How insensitive to an animal's feelings", > remarked Sgt. Marx of the Dingburg police. "Would you post a picture of > Colonel Sanders over the door of your chicken house?" > > Mr. Rodriguez was given notification of termination by the D&K Railroad. > When he asked his supervisor for a reason, he was told it was because of > one missed steak after another. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53075	From: Theron Theron	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Thanks to all for the advice!

I did do a cleaning of the track rails with fine sandpaper and the engine now will make the complete loop....I think simply cleaning is the answer.  Will do a more in-depth cleaning of the engine wheels and get into the tender to clean whatever contacts are in there as well.  Feeling a bit more optimistic about this, lol.  Thank you all for your advice! Mark --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 2:37 AM This may have been brought up before, I tend to miss things ...... has the loco been bench-tested? Does it run fine off the track? Definitely makes a difference if track AND wheels are clean. I've even cleaned-up the track pins before. Hope that is just the problem. :^) Rick. On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Theron Theron wrote: > The engine is a steamer #302. I did thoroughly clean the track > surface with a fine foam sanding block tonight and got the engine to > run much better. Still stalled out periodically but at least made > it around the track a few times. I will also clean the wheels and > get inside the tender to clean contacts as was suggested by another > poster. Could there be an issue with the transformer? Or, do > transformers either work or not? Thanks to all for the advice. > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Dave Highfield <davidh@carr. org> wrote: > > > From: Dave Highfield <davidh@carr. org> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > > > > > The next question: > Does the engine merely stop getting power or does it "seize up?" > Dave in MD > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com] > On Behalf > Of mike rosz > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:12 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > > I do not know what engine you are using, but I run my steam engines > with the > drive wheel off the track. Use two tracks the front leading truck > on the > first track and the trailing truck with the tender and put power to > the rear > track. then give it the full throttle. see if that gets it going. > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:32 PM > > Mike, > > Thanks for the quick response. Just used this eraser-like thing on > the > track but suspect it could use something a little more aggressive. > Yes, I am > using the original Flyer track but as I said in my post, to make my > layout I > did have to force a curve here and there and consequently the track > did not > fit snuggly in places, however the track pins should all be > connected with > the rails. > I will try the Scotch Brite. > > Mark > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:10 PM > > are you using Flyer track? That should be fine on 4 X *8 The new > stuff 56" > or what ever it is will not work. OK how does the train run on the > straight track? > AND did you clean the dirty track, maybe with scotch brite? > Mike in Lake County IL > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: Theron Theron <theron59@yahoo. com> > Subject: [S-Trains] engine not performing correctly > To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM > > I am attempting to pass along my boyhood American Flyer train to my > sons and > am in the process of making a table top set up. We have laid the > track and > now am trying to get the engine working after a 50 year hiatus. I > did take > the engine and tender to a hobby shop service technition for > cleaning and > lube. However now the engine is not seemingly able to run...it starts, > either in forward or reverse, but within seconds just stops dead. I > also > want to be ble to accomplish this with a single piece of 4'X8' > plywood for > the base surface and in doing so had to force some of the curved > track to > conform to radii that really should have had a longer arc. > Consequently, > some of the connecting pins in the rails are exposed but are still > connected > to the rails. My question is: Do you think the problem I am > experiencing > with the stalling engine is a result of the way I put the track > together, or > do you think is an issue with the engine itself? Or, as one hobby shop > suggested, simply dirty track? I will be most appreciative of any > suggestions and help out there. Thanks. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: > 03/01/09 > 17:46:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53076	From: rep928	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair

Additional info: I did manage to get the motor to run (backwards) with a direct connection. So I am more convinced than ever that the problem is in the slide switch. Anyone else ever encounter this? - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53077	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair

Yep the slide switch is cheap and nasty and prone to failure due to dirt, oxidation or lack of spring tension on the contacts. I don't have one at the moment so can't remember its exact construction but contact cleaner sprayed liberally might get into the contacts. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rep928 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Atlantic engine repair Additional info: I did manage to get the motor to run (backwards) with a direct connection. So I am more convinced than ever that the problem is in the slide switch. Anyone else ever encounter this? - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53078	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair

The switch does seem to be the likely suspect, doesn't it?  I just eye-balled the one on my 21160 and it's more of a complicated switch than I remembered when I cleaned mine up after purchase.  It would appear to me that this 6-contact switch acts as a manual e-unit, correct?   Does it appear that the wires have been re-soldered or otherwise messed around with?  Could be the switch is OK but someone re-wired it incorrectly.   Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rep928" <plotnick@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:04:05 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Atlantic engine repair Additional info: I did manage to get the motor to run (backwards) with a direct connection. So I am more convinced than ever that the problem is in the slide switch. Anyone else ever encounter this? - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53079	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to all for the advice!

Clean your tracks and tender wheels with something that will not scratch them as sandpaper is prone to doing. Use 91% isopropyl alcohol on a rag (Q-tip for wheels)and/or ScotchBrite green pads to get off heavy build-up. Sandpaper will do a great job the first time, but the fine scratches that it leaves behind will lead to your wheels and track getting dirtier faster than ever before and increasingly so the more you use it. Also, sandpaper tends to leave behind grit - - another bad thing for toy trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53080	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Atlantic engine repair

The sliding switch is just a DPDT that reverses the current to the brushes and field magnet. Easily replaceable. I have some originals. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/03/2009 9:42:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: The switch does seem to be the likely suspect, doesn't it? I just eye-balled the one on my 21160 and it's more of a complicated switch than I remembered when I cleaned mine up after purchase. It would appear to me that this 6-contact switch acts as a manual e-unit, correct? Does it appear that the wires have been re-soldered or otherwise messed around with? Could be the switch is OK but someone re-wired it incorrectly. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53081	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Christmas Car photos

Wayne, Where are they posted? Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New Christmas Car photos I have posted photos of the two latest Christmas Cars from the Rapidrail-Colleran cosortium. Please note, the Dad's present car still needs a bow, but I am looking for one of those. Probably a plastic one from a child's hair strap. Up next are a Christmas Coal car and a walking toy soldier car. Down the road will be a combo car probably carrying elves and presents on the North Pole local. Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53082	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: AM S-12 slowing on curves

I have an American Models Baldwin S12 that visibly slows when traversing 19"R curves. It is less noticeable on larger radii, but there is still some evidence. I decided to blame it on the return to center tendency of the trucks that is created by the spring type drive from the motor to the trucks. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this, and if they believe this to be the cause. If this is the cause, what did you do about it? If this was not the cause what is, and what did you do about it? Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53083	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: For sale

First shot before FFW (Flyer Fest West) American Flyer by Lionel For Sale I am sorting out and am thinning my collection of items that I don't plan on operating or displaying and are now sitting in boxes in preperation for FFW the 1st weekend in May. All are new in there boxes, bought from a dealer, unopened by me, except as noted below. The dealer may have opened the box to show potential clients. All pricing includes shipping. Reasonable offers considered. TTOS Salt Lake Route A/F Box Car 2002, 6-48225 in original brown shipping package never opened. These have sold on E bay for over $120.00 several times. $120.00 2007 Flyer Fest West Sacramento Northern Insulated, box car, 6-48260 in original brown shipping package, never opened. One was sold on E bay, for over $300.00 by a Sacramento dealer. $225.00 Caboose • 6-48705 Pennsylvania, Bought from dealer as new, not used. I opened box and wheels show some light running time. $30.00 • 6-48715 Milwaukee Road $60.00 Tank • 6-48405 Orange Shell, Bought new from dealer, plastic wrap. $55.00 • 4-9102 Baltimore & Ohio, box has been opened and shows no wheel wear. $45.00 • 4-9101 Union Oil, this shows wheel wear. $25.00 Flat • 6-48507 US Army with Tanks, set of two flatcars. $55.00 Reefer • 6-48800 Wabash $40.00 Gondola • 4-9303 Southern with plastic wrap $30.00 Boxcar • 6-48318 Gilbert, Erector Set Inventor with Ferris wheel picture. New unopened by me $50.00 • 6-48322 New Haven , new, still in plastic wrap $45.00 • 6-48320 Nickel Plate Road, Bought new from dealer $40.00 • 6-48328 Great Northern $35.00 • 6-48327 1997 Christmas, box shows edge wear. $35.00 • 6-48329 AT & SF. $45.00 • 6-48364 60th Anniversary, with outside plastic wrap. $55.00 Ed Eckert ejenterp@... ironhorse_66@... 408-263-2482

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53084	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: S Stuff for sale

Over the past few weeks I have posted lots of Gilbert and LTI Flyer for sale on the Available S group. If you are looking for anything, please check the postings on that group. Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53085	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: weak motor?

Hi, I have a 4-6-4 (326) that runs pretty well backwards, but in the forward direction, the motor does not have enough power to move the engine alone. The mechanism seems to move freely so this seems pretty odd to me. (I went into digital electronics in collage and skipped the power and motor courses.) Anyone have an idea on where the problem might be? Regards, Keith Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53086	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Flyer motors have a spacer washer on the armature to make sure the commutator does not float backwards and forwards on the brushes due to torque acting on the worm on the end of the shaft as it turns in one or the other direction. You probably need to put another spacer on, or replace a missing one. Not uncommon problem. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Thompson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:50 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] weak motor? Hi, I have a 4-6-4 (326) that runs pretty well backwards, but in the forward direction, the motor does not have enough power to move the engine alone. The mechanism seems to move freely so this seems pretty odd to me. (I went into digital electronics in collage and skipped the power and motor courses.) Anyone have an idea on where the problem might be? Regards, Keith Thompson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53087	From: John	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Hi Keith Have you cleaned the contacts and drum on the reversing unit? I have a 370 diesel and had a similar problem and cleaning the reverse unit fingers and drum made the engine run great in both directions John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Thompson" <kbt1@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] weak motor? > > Hi, > > I have a 4-6-4 (326) that runs pretty well backwards, but in the > forward direction, the motor does not have enough power to move the > engine alone. The mechanism seems to move freely so this seems pretty > odd to me. (I went into digital electronics in collage and skipped the > power and motor courses.) Anyone have an idea on where the problem > might be? > > Regards, > Keith Thompson > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53088	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: If not for trains.....

If not for trains, I'd blow out my brains! With all the bad economic news and the ridiculous "pro this party or that party" e-mails I've been getting, I sometimes think I probably should just end it all! I was thinking about running down the list of what the 545 bought and paid for crooks in D.C. have done to us, but it makes me feel like we're all a bunch of Lemmings running for the edge of the cliff! And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. The bright spot for me is my trains! I work in S and On30, have a library of books, videos, and DVD about trains, and I'm on my second of three small layouts (4x8 or less) for displays this year. In my little world of playing with trains, the future is still bright! I have been thinking about making it a corporate policy to hire only people fatter than me to work on my railways. This will require reworking a lot of scale figures, but so be it. I have been thinking of "steamizing" my lines, thereby getting rid of the few diseasels I have and advancing into the past technologically. A nice Central American vacation may be in order for my On30 narrow gauge, so I'm considering a cruise to Costa Rialto, where the historic first Stupydium mines were opened. "Trains...where FUN is our most important product!" Stumpy Stone...playing with the ultimate stress reliever for too many years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53089	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Keith, what size transformer are you using? Some, but not all the 326 have a large motor in them, and if you have the large motor you may need to bump up the size of transformer from what you have. ( 100 wats min) Alistair, has made a good point too. At times I have needed to put a new spacer in to get the loco up to speed. A good cleaning would be nice at the same time. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> wrote: > From: Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] weak motor? > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:20 PM > Hi, > > I have a 4-6-4 (326) that runs pretty well backwards, but > in the > forward direction, the motor does not have enough power to > move the > engine alone. The mechanism seems to move freely so this > seems pretty > odd to me. (I went into digital electronics in collage and > skipped the > power and motor courses.) Anyone have an idea on where the > problem > might be? > > Regards, > Keith Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53090	From: Michael Martino	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

Stumpy, have a  great birthday !!!!!  Keep doing   your  thing. many people are content  to  watch  the parade  go  by. You   sir  lead  it ....Your outlook and  plain talk  are quite  refreshing  these   days .One  of   these  days would  love  to sit   and  have  a  beer   with  you .   Don't  stop  being Stumpy,and  may  whatever God  you worship grant you  all your  wishes      Mike --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] If not for trains..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:45 AM If not for trains, I'd blow out my brains! With all the bad economic news and the ridiculous "pro this party or that party" e-mails I've been getting, I sometimes think I probably should just end it all! I was thinking about running down the list of what the 545 bought and paid for crooks in D.C. have done to us, but it makes me feel like we're all a bunch of Lemmings running for the edge of the cliff! And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. The bright spot for me is my trains! I work in S and On30, have a library of books, videos, and DVD about trains, and I'm on my second of three small layouts (4x8 or less) for displays this year. In my little world of playing with trains, the future is still bright! I have been thinking about making it a corporate policy to hire only people fatter than me to work on my railways. This will require reworking a lot of scale figures, but so be it. I have been thinking of "steamizing" my lines, thereby getting rid of the few diseasels I have and advancing into the past technologically. A nice Central American vacation may be in order for my On30 narrow gauge, so I'm considering a cruise to Costa Rialto, where the historic first Stupydium mines were opened. "Trains...where FUN is our most important product!" Stumpy Stone...playing with the ultimate stress reliever for too many years. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53091	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

Stumpy, you¹re just a kid! You sure are right about trains though. In my observation, it is especially important to have a rewarding hobby as one approaches the ³golden years.² Several of my retired friends did not have much to occupy their time after retirement and they were just pretty much lost. One man, whose daughter I used to hang out with, talked about finding a hobby for twenty years before retirement. He was an engineer on the Santa Fe, BTW, and got me my job as a road fireman that I used to pay my way through school. It is my belief that we are all goal oriented, and after the job goes away, we need some reason to get involved, get enthusiastic and get creative. Trains sure can help get the juices flowing again. Studies show that involved people live longer. Roy, finishing off the basement in Lenexa, KS in preparation for the next layout, Inman on 3/4/09 8:45 AM, Stumpy Stone at mrstumpy@... wrote: > > > > If not for trains, I'd blow out my brains! With all the bad economic news and > the ridiculous "pro this party or that party" e-mails I've been getting, I > sometimes think I probably should just end it all! > I was thinking about running down the list of what the 545 bought and paid for > crooks in D.C. have done to us, but it makes me feel like we're all a bunch of > Lemmings running for the edge of the cliff! > And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. > The bright spot for me is my trains! I work in S and On30, have a library of > books, videos, and DVD about trains, and I'm on my second of three small > layouts (4x8 or less) for displays this year. In my little world of playing > with trains, the future is still bright! > I have been thinking about making it a corporate policy to hire only people > fatter than me to work on my railways. This will require reworking a lot of > scale figures, but so be it. > I have been thinking of "steamizing" my lines, thereby getting rid of the few > diseasels I have and advancing into the past technologically. > A nice Central American vacation may be in order for my On30 narrow gauge, so > I'm considering a cruise to Costa Rialto, where the historic first Stupydium > mines were opened. > "Trains...where FUN is our most important product!" > Stumpy Stone...playing with the ultimate stress reliever for too many years. > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53092	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Weak Motor & Another Question

NE1 know what could be wrong with a diesel loco that has been recently serviced (lubed-new springs-brushes), but crawls along at first running until it has been around the track a few times, then warms up, and runs fine. I have a couple that do this. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53093	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Weak Motor & Another Question

First guess would be worn truck bearings. The grease on the gear drive is thicker/higher viscosity when cold. The worn axle holes in the trucks cause the weight of the loco to be transferred right to the armature via the axle gears. This causes friction that was not intended as there should be clearance/backlash in this drive at this location, Warming up the trucks reduces the friction in both the axle bearings and the gears. New bushings will make the weight of the truck be carried by the axle/bushing contact and only the tractive driving force will be applied to the armature. If you were to put an ammeter in place you would see that the current draw for a given speed is probably still excessive when compared to a healthy drive. I kind of waited for S&S to field this one, but decided to go ahead and jump in with my thoughts. MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paflyrman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Weak Motor & Another Question NE1 know what could be wrong with a diesel loco that has been recently serviced (lubed-new springs-brushes), but crawls along at first running until it has been around the track a few times, then warms up, and runs fine. I have a couple that do this. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53094	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE: Weak Motor & Another Question

Click on the link, as this graphic might help. http://www.mwkiner.com/af/truck.htm -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kiner [mailto:robbe_wan@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:32 AM To: 'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Weak Motor & Another Question First guess would be worn truck bearings. The grease on the gear drive is thicker/higher viscosity when cold. The worn axle holes in the trucks cause the weight of the loco to be transferred right to the armature via the axle gears. This causes friction that was not intended as there should be clearance/backlash in this drive at this location, Warming up the trucks reduces the friction in both the axle bearings and the gears. New bushings will make the weight of the truck be carried by the axle/bushing contact and only the tractive driving force will be applied to the armature. If you were to put an ammeter in place you would see that the current draw for a given speed is probably still excessive when compared to a healthy drive. I kind of waited for S&S to field this one, but decided to go ahead and jump in with my thoughts. MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paflyrman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Weak Motor & Another Question NE1 know what could be wrong with a diesel loco that has been recently serviced (lubed-new springs-brushes), but crawls along at first running until it has been around the track a few times, then warms up, and runs fine. I have a couple that do this. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53095	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

Stumpy, Happy Birthday! 58 for me today! You're just too old for me to read your stuff any more!! GBG!! Keep it up my friend! Rubber scaling makes it even more iteresting! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] If not for trains..... If not for trains, I'd blow out my brains! With all the bad economic news and the ridiculous "pro this party or that party" e-mails I've been getting, I sometimes think I probably should just end it all! I was thinking about running down the list of what the 545 bought and paid for crooks in D.C. have done to us, but it makes me feel like we're all a bunch of Lemmings running for the edge of the cliff! And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. The bright spot for me is my trains! I work in S and On30, have a library of books, videos, and DVD about trains, and I'm on my second of three small layouts (4x8 or less) for displays this year. In my little world of playing with trains, the future is still bright! I have been thinking about making it a corporate policy to hire only people fatter than me to work on my railways. This will require reworking a lot of scale figures, but so be it. I have been thinking of "steamizing" my lines, thereby getting rid of the few diseasels I have and advancing into the past technologically. A nice Central American vacation may be in order for my On30 narrow gauge, so I'm considering a cruise to Costa Rialto, where the historic first Stupydium mines were opened. "Trains...where FUN is our most important product!" Stumpy Stone...playing with the ultimate stress reliever for too many years. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53096	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Weak Motor & Another Question

----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Weak Motor & Another Question First guess would be worn truck bearings. The grease on the gear drive is thicker/higher viscosity when cold. The worn axle holes in the trucks cause the weight of the loco to be transferred right to the armature via the axle gears. This causes friction that was not intended as there should be clearance/backlash in this drive at this location, Warming up the trucks reduces the friction in both the axle bearings and the gears. New bushings will make the weight of the truck be carried by the axle/bushing contact and only the tractive driving force will be applied to the armature. If you were to put an ammeter in place you would see that the current draw for a given speed is probably still excessive when compared to a healthy drive. I kind of waited for S&S to field this one, but decided to go ahead and jump in with my thoughts. MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paflyrman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Weak Motor & Another Question NE1 know what could be wrong with a diesel loco that has been recently serviced (lubed-new springs-brushes), but crawls along at first running until it has been around the track a few times, then warms up, and runs fine. I have a couple that do this. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53097	From: michael prell	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

Happy Birthday, Young 'un! I, for one who turns 63 in a few weeks, needed to read what you had to say.Perspective is the name of the game. Good health, a partner who really cares about you and shares in your joy of life and understands what makes you tick  and still loves you after all of that makes all the difference in the world. Have a great day tomorrow and a healthy, happy year to come and, Stump, get rid of those damn diseals! Be well, Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] If not for trains..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:45 AM If not for trains, I'd blow out my brains! With all the bad economic news and the ridiculous "pro this party or that party" e-mails I've been getting, I sometimes think I probably should just end it all! I was thinking about running down the list of what the 545 bought and paid for crooks in D.C. have done to us, but it makes me feel like we're all a bunch of Lemmings running for the edge of the cliff! And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. The bright spot for me is my trains! I work in S and On30, have a library of books, videos, and DVD about trains, and I'm on my second of three small layouts (4x8 or less) for displays this year. In my little world of playing with trains, the future is still bright! I have been thinking about making it a corporate policy to hire only people fatter than me to work on my railways. This will require reworking a lot of scale figures, but so be it. I have been thinking of "steamizing" my lines, thereby getting rid of the few diseasels I have and advancing into the past technologically. A nice Central American vacation may be in order for my On30 narrow gauge, so I'm considering a cruise to Costa Rialto, where the historic first Stupydium mines were opened. "Trains...where FUN is our most important product!" Stumpy Stone...playing with the ultimate stress reliever for too many years. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53098	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Christmas Car photos

Hi Sam, They should be listed among the new photos when you first go to the group page. Or, I think my file is called Wayne's Christmas cars, or something like that. Or, stop by the house this weekend and I'll show you these cars and the ones I am currently working on. I should have the Kringle Kandy gondola with trucks mounted back from Nick by Sunday. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sam and Judy Williamson" <seaboard@...> wrote: > > Wayne, > > Where are they posted? > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rapidrail1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:39 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] New Christmas Car photos > > > I have posted photos of the two latest Christmas Cars from the > Rapidrail-Colleran cosortium. Please note, the Dad's present car still > needs a bow, but I am looking for one of those. Probably a plastic one > from a child's hair strap. > > Up next are a Christmas Coal car and a walking toy soldier car. Down > the road will be a combo car probably carrying elves and presents on > the North Pole local. > > Wayne Beachy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53099	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: AM S-12 slowing on curves

Mark, I have had this problem with many of my AM diesels, expecially the RS3. I think that some wiring brushes agains the universal drive when the trucks swing. You might be able to work with the wiring until that does not happen anymore. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > I have an American Models Baldwin S12 that visibly slows when traversing > 19"R curves. It is less noticeable on larger radii, but there is still > some evidence. I decided to blame it on the return to center tendency of > the trucks that is created by the spring type drive from the motor to > the trucks. > > I was wondering if anyone else has seen this, and if they believe this > to be the cause. > > If this is the cause, what did you do about it? > > If this was not the cause what is, and what did you do about it? > > Mark > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53100	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

Happy Biirthday Stumpy,   ===== And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. =====   The fact that you are 59 today indicates some very important milestones in your lifetime.   1. You were around during the period major railroads were still operating steam locos. 2. You also remember the "Drop and Cover" drills in grade school. 3. There were gas stations with attendants that checked your oil, and water as well as pumped your gas. Air was also FREE and available at most gas station. 4. There were paper drives at school. 5. "Made in Japan" meant the item was worthless and will probably break in a week. 6. Most of your neighbors knew your name and if you had leftovers, your would take a plate of food over to share. 7. There were no "cell" phones and a "portable" phone was one that had a really long cord. 8. Most radio stations stations were on the AM dial and played church services every Sunday. 9. Recycling meant you had to reid your bike back to the store because you forgot something your mom told you to get. 10. There was a corner store within walking distance of your house and it was owned by a neighbor. 11. The first person in the neighborhood to get a color TV usually had a roomful of kids on Sunday night watching Disney's Wonderful World of Color. 12. Comic books were only 10 cents. 13. Baseball cards were a nickel a pack. 14. Your pals either had American Flyer Trains or the "other kind" with unrealistic 3-rail track and none of you would think of associating with the group that owned them. 15. Trains were only for Christmas, the rest of the year was for playing outside. 16. Your mom would open the door and call you for supper and woe be unto you if you were too far away to hear her. 17. You took responsibility for your actions and apologized when you misbehaved or you got your ears pinned back. 18. America had survived World War II and Korea. Americans supported their soldiers, took them into their homes when they were stationed far from home and actually welcomed them when they returned home.   And best of all, the minimum wage was under $2.00 per hour and you could feed a family of three, make a mortgage payment, and buy a used car for $50.00 and fix it yourself with a rope for a fan belt. My therapy is called "Cedar Smoke therapy" It comes from a bottle without a tax label.   Kindest regards and Happy Birthday. I'll be there at 59 in June.   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53101	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Spring Show Calendar, Eastern PA Area

Saturday March 7th, the KEYSTONE TCA SPRING TRAINing Swap Meet takes place at St Philips R C Church, corner of PA Rts 741 & 999, Millersville PA. Open at 8 AM for Card Carrying Keystone Div Members (FREE) , 9 AM til Noon for the General Public, $4.00 per adult 13 and over. This show includes TWO Manufacturers with new product, DALLEE ( _www.DALLEE.com_ (http://www.DALLEE.com) ) will be featuring their new RL-LED car lighting system and WARDIE JAY (_http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TINPLATE_TIES.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TINPLATE_TIES.html) ) will be offering the new "Tinplate Ties". GREAT breakfast and lunch by the Church Men's Sunday School Class (don't tell their wives they can cook). Meet Registrar Ron Morris reports only a few tables available, contact Ron at _rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...) , Tables only $12. each for TCA members only. Sunday March 8th is CHARTER DAY in PA, celebrating the signing of the Charter that created the Great Commonwealth. All STATE OWNED museums will be open FREE from noon til 5 PM. Set those pesky clocks ahead one hour to start Daylight Savings time. March 14th, the Harrisburg NRHS Show opens at 9 AM at the Steelworkers Union Hall, 200 Gibson St, Steelton PA. All tables sold out, always a good show. Show runs 9 AM to 3 PM, $5.00 donation at the door. Sunday March 15th, the ORIGINAL Gilbertsville Train Show, Rt 73 EAST of Rt 100 in the Gilbertsville Fire Co Social Hall. Admission is charged at the door, TWO floors of trains of all ages. Show hours 9 AM til 1 PM. Loads of free parking. Parts dealers in "O" & "S", Plasticville & other gauges. Contact Mark @ 215-657-2477 SUNDAY April 5th the Reading Co Technical & Historical Society (RCTHS) show takes place at the LEESPORT FARMERS MARKET, North end of Leesport, turn right off of Rt 61. Show runs 9 AM til 2 PM, $4.00 at the door. Tables available, BEST rate by March 31, call Dale @610-372-3759 or _dalem1955@..._ (mailto:dalem1955@...) Sundays June 5, July 26 & September 13 find the "Famous" Hamburg Dutch Train Meets", at the Hamburg Fire Co Field House, Fourth St in Hamburg, PA. $4.at the door. 9 AM til 1 PM. Contact Ralph @ 610-987-3144, tables available. See you there, Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53102	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: AM S-12 slowing on curves

I was just inside a pair of GP-35 from AM for a customer at the shop, and there is NO room inthere, the shells are tight to the motors, flywheels, circuit board, etc. Could the swing of the trucks be limited by the width of the body shell? Hood units are awful narrow for all the stuff inside them! Stumpy stone...in sunny but cold Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53103	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

Gentlemen, My club is co-hosting the 2010 S Spree and we're offering a Lionel Flyer car as one of our Spree cars. We visited with a Lionel representative today in Chesterfield Michigan (a few minutes from my house) and I just HAPPENED to have mentioned the new U33-C. Lionel seems quite committed to bringing out this locomotive, and a few questions of mine were answered. Mainly, the locomotive will NOT have swinging pilots like the O gauge version, and it will be able to negotiate classic Flyer track. I mentioned that a number of people in S would like to have a "delete" option, if possible, on the Legacy system. Scalers would go for this, as they would probably prefer to install DCC, and old time AC guys like me would prefer not to have to pay for the added electronics which I would never use (but that's a topic for another time - sorry, Carl ). As far as the Odyssey II speed control system, it's a no-go due to the space limitations in the Flyer shell, and the specific motor size already in place in the O gauge line. This loco looks very cool in the catalog, and from what I learned about it (not too much more than from the catalog) it will be a honey to run and will be in keeping with what I perceived to be a commitment to S in the future. I sincerely hope that Lionel will be able to bring this item out at the price suggested. Even with all that "sparky stuff" it's a good value. Jerry Poniatowski Saving My Pennies, Dimes and Dollars in SE Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > > The Artwork is just a O Gauge loco PhotoShopped on AF track. > > No Smoke or Electro Couplers is my bet. I looked twice at the smoke too.. Would have been cool. > > Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53104	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Happy Birthday

Stumpy, Happy Birthday to a good friend. Many more for you, and keep you emails coming. I'll soon be retiring too, and then I can come to the hobby shop and enjoy all the many stories you have to tell. Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53105	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

You as an old time AC guy may be missing something by not trying the conventional control option of TMCC on your vintage flyer engines. I run a 50/50 mix of conventional AC and TMCC on my layout. It is hard to do without walk around control once you have it, and the precise control of voltage to the old AC engines. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog Gentlemen, My club is co-hosting the 2010 S Spree and we're offering a Lionel Flyer car as one of our Spree cars. We visited with a Lionel representative today in Chesterfield Michigan (a few minutes from my house) and I just HAPPENED to have mentioned the new U33-C. Lionel seems quite committed to bringing out this locomotive, and a few questions of mine were answered. Mainly, the locomotive will NOT have swinging pilots like the O gauge version, and it will be able to negotiate classic Flyer track. I mentioned that a number of people in S would like to have a "delete" option, if possible, on the Legacy system. Scalers would go for this, as they would probably prefer to install DCC, and old time AC guys like me would prefer not to have to pay for the added electronics which I would never use (but that's a topic for another time - sorry, Carl ). As far as the Odyssey II speed control system, it's a no-go due to the space limitations in the Flyer shell, and the specific motor size already in place in the O gauge line. This loco looks very cool in the catalog, and from what I learned about it (not too much more than from the catalog) it will be a honey to run and will be in keeping with what I perceived to be a commitment to S in the future. I sincerely hope that Lionel will be able to bring this item out at the price suggested. Even with all that "sparky stuff" it's a good value. Jerry Poniatowski Saving My Pennies, Dimes and Dollars in SE Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > > The Artwork is just a O Gauge loco PhotoShopped on AF track. > > No Smoke or Electro Couplers is my bet. I looked twice at the smoke too.. Would have been cool. > > Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53106	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: #600 wiring diagram

To the group: I am in need of a wiring diagram for the # 600 crossing gate. If anyone has one they can email me at mo2337@.... Happy Birthday Stumpy, I thought you were old but I have you by 3 years, you young'un. Thanks to all and let's keep the fun rollin, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53107	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Hi, Thanks for all of the suggestions for getting my 326 up and running. There does not appear to be a lot of lateral movement in the armature, so I just cleaned what I could without taking the motor apart. I couldn't get the brushes out so I don't know what shape they are in. However it now runs equally well both forward and backwards. Not very fast, but it is smooth. I don't know what type (large or small) motor it has since I'm not sure what to look for. I'm using a 1A transformer for testing so maybe it does not have enough power to run it faster. I do have another question if I may. When I opened the tender I was surprised to find a speaker. When running the locomotive the speaker crackled a bit. My question is what is supposed to come out of the speaker, and how do I get it to work? There are a couple of parts around it, a capacitor and resistor(?). I could start by replacing them. Is there a circuit diagram available? (ok that was more than one question!) Again, thanks for the help, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53108	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

Hi Nick -- That sure brought back the memories! I remember having to appologize to the lady across the street for helping her son do something bad (more than once!). Worst tasting crow I ever ate... Thanks! Bill Winans (62 in June) Prescott Valley, AZ 1. You were around during the period major railroads were still operating steam locos. 9. Recycling meant you had to reid your bike back to the store because you forgot something your mom told you to get. 11. The first person in the neighborhood to get a color TV usually had a roomful of kids on Sunday night watching Disney's Wonderful World of Color. 17. You took responsibility for your actions and apologized when you misbehaved or you got your ears pinned back. Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53109	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Dear Keith, That speaker is for the Whistle. Do you have the air chime controler.  The crackle sound is from dirty wheelsor contacts on the tender. Hope this helps. Alan Lambert, in warm ///////////fort Wort, Texas --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> wrote: From: Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:48 PM Hi, Thanks for all of the suggestions for getting my 326 up and running. There does not appear to be a lot of lateral movement in the armature, so I just cleaned what I could without taking the motor apart. I couldn't get the brushes out so I don't know what shape they are in. However it now runs equally well both forward and backwards. Not very fast, but it is smooth. I don't know what type (large or small) motor it has since I'm not sure what to look for. I'm using a 1A transformer for testing so maybe it does not have enough power to run it faster. I do have another question if I may. When I opened the tender I was surprised to find a speaker. When running the locomotive the speaker crackled a bit. My question is what is supposed to come out of the speaker, and how do I get it to work? There are a couple of parts around it, a capacitor and resistor(?). I could start by replacing them. Is there a circuit diagram available? (ok that was more than one question!) Again, thanks for the help, Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53110	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Kieth   You would need an air chime whistle control. Looks like a regular accessory pushbutton with an extension out the back and a tube plugged in and sticking up. The speaker, capacitor and resistor are the sound producing mechanism for the signal sent through the rails by the whistle control. The capacitor in the tender is certainly no longer functional, but the speaker and resistor should be fine unless physically damaged.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> wrote: From: Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:48 PM Hi, Thanks for all of the suggestions for getting my 326 up and running. There does not appear to be a lot of lateral movement in the armature, so I just cleaned what I could without taking the motor apart. I couldn't get the brushes out so I don't know what shape they are in. However it now runs equally well both forward and backwards. Not very fast, but it is smooth. I don't know what type (large or small) motor it has since I'm not sure what to look for. I'm using a 1A transformer for testing so maybe it does not have enough power to run it faster. I do have another question if I may. When I opened the tender I was surprised to find a speaker. When running the locomotive the speaker crackled a bit. My question is what is supposed to come out of the speaker, and how do I get it to work? There are a couple of parts around it, a capacitor and resistor(?). I could start by replacing them. Is there a circuit diagram available? (ok that was more than one question!) Again, thanks for the help, Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53111	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Hi Keith, Your #1 transformer is only 40 watts of power. That's way to low for that train. Like I said you need at least 100 Watts to get that going good. Start with an 8B or more. The #22090 has 350 Watts of power, and you can run two trains with two knobs. The speaker you are talking about is AF's whistle, and what you need is the # 710 whistle control. Try not to mess with the speaker you can put a hole in it very easy. The speaker make crackles as it moves with the sparks from the electric pickup on the tender. All of them do this. This train is about $250.00 plus in good shape with the big motor, and if it's not broke don't fix it. Work on getting the best transformer you can get your hands on. You will want to toss that small one after you use the 100 watt transformer. I have pulled more then 10 cars with my 326 at one time. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> wrote: > From: Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 7:48 PM > Hi, > > Thanks for all of the suggestions for getting my 326 up and > running. > There does not appear to be a lot of lateral movement in > the armature, > so I just cleaned what I could without taking the motor > apart. I > couldn't get the brushes out so I don't know what > shape they are in. > However it now runs equally well both forward and > backwards. Not very > fast, but it is smooth. I don't know what type (large > or small) motor > it has since I'm not sure what to look for. I'm > using a 1A transformer > for testing so maybe it does not have enough power to run > it faster. > > I do have another question if I may. When I opened the > tender I was > surprised to find a speaker. When running the locomotive > the speaker > crackled a bit. My question is what is supposed to come out > of the > speaker, and how do I get it to work? There are a couple of > parts > around it, a capacitor and resistor(?). I could start by > replacing > them. Is there a circuit diagram available? (ok that was > more than one > question!) > > Again, thanks for the help, > Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53112	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

Hey Mark, Another guy in our club has also been trying to convince me to spend my cash on the system, and "upgrades" on my engines, but since money is scarce around here, I can do without all that expense. Admittedly, it sounds nice, and the new electronic stuff runs and sounds very great, but as Dear Old Dad used to say "If it's more complicated, it's more to fix". He was referring to power steering and brakes, but the same holds for trains. But then again, I have been know to resurrect junkers and install can motors in them with a simple electronic e-unit. I hate to say it, but most of my Flyer is on sidings or shelves and runs only occasionally. When I do run them, they are fine enough for me. Should I duck now? ;>) Jerry PS My club is bringing our display layout to the Spring Spree. Hope to meet you guys there! Stop by and say "HI". I'll be the tall guy with the big smile on his face. When the trains are shut down for the day, I'll see you in the "liquid refreshment" room! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > You as an old time AC guy may be missing something by not trying the > conventional control option of TMCC on your vintage flyer engines. I run > a 50/50 mix of conventional AC and TMCC on my layout. It is hard to do > without walk around control once you have it, and the precise control of > voltage to the old AC engines. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:10 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog > > Gentlemen, > > My club is co-hosting the 2010 S Spree and we're offering a Lionel Flyer > car as one of our Spree cars. We visited with a Lionel representative > today in Chesterfield Michigan (a few minutes from my house) and I just > HAPPENED to have mentioned the new U33-C. Lionel seems quite committed > to bringing out this locomotive, and a few questions of mine were > answered. Mainly, the locomotive will NOT have swinging pilots like the > O gauge version, and it will be able to negotiate classic Flyer track. I > mentioned that a number of people in S would like to have a "delete" > option, if possible, on the Legacy system. Scalers would go for this, as > they would probably prefer to install DCC, and old time AC guys like me > would prefer not to have to pay for the added electronics which I would > never use (but that's a topic for another time - sorry, Carl ). As far > as the Odyssey II speed control system, it's a no-go due to the space > limitations in the Flyer shell, and the specific motor size already in > place in the O gauge line. > > This loco looks very cool in the catalog, and from what I learned about > it (not too much more than from the catalog) it will be a honey to run > and will be in keeping with what I perceived to be a commitment to S in > the future. I sincerely hope that Lionel will be able to bring this item > out at the price suggested. Even with all that "sparky stuff" it's a > good value. > > Jerry Poniatowski > Saving My Pennies, Dimes and Dollars in SE Michigan > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > Carl Tuveson <carl@> wrote: > > > > The Artwork is just a O Gauge loco PhotoShopped on AF track. > > > > No Smoke or Electro Couplers is my bet. I looked twice at the smoke > too.. Would have been cool. > > > > Carl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53113	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: If not for trains.....

Happy Birthday, Stumpy. If not for all you "old" guys helping us out with your vast knowledge of trains, and your wit and wisdom of life, we'd be floundering somewhere in between 2 towns looking for a railroad train to get us somewhere. Just kidding about the "old", I'm 57, soon to be 58, so we're all in this together. Keep it up and we'll talk later. Carlton 'I'll keep my freedom, my guns, and my money, you can keep the CHANGE.' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53114	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

No need to duck, but with the release of the Legacy control system I have seen the original command set go fairly cheaply. Buying only the command set and adding that to your layout would allow you to use TMCC engines, some of which are available for less money that originally priced. Add the power master and you don't have to do any "upgrades" your old engines. (this is really the part I like) You could skip getting the TMCC command base and just buy the Powermaster and Cab-1, this allows you to have remote control of the track voltage, and you don't have to convert any of your locos, or buy any new tmcc engine to have walk around control. I have seen these combos go for under a 100 bucks on ebay. They are less common than the command set though. Powermaster is more commonly found separately. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog Hey Mark, Another guy in our club has also been trying to convince me to spend my cash on the system, and "upgrades" on my engines, but since money is scarce around here, I can do without all that expense. Admittedly, it sounds nice, and the new electronic stuff runs and sounds very great, but as Dear Old Dad used to say "If it's more complicated, it's more to fix". He was referring to power steering and brakes, but the same holds for trains. But then again, I have been know to resurrect junkers and install can motors in them with a simple electronic e-unit. I hate to say it, but most of my Flyer is on sidings or shelves and runs only occasionally. When I do run them, they are fine enough for me. Should I duck now? ;>) Jerry PS My club is bringing our display layout to the Spring Spree. Hope to meet you guys there! Stop by and say "HI". I'll be the tall guy with the big smile on his face. When the trains are shut down for the day, I'll see you in the "liquid refreshment" room! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > You as an old time AC guy may be missing something by not trying the > conventional control option of TMCC on your vintage flyer engines. I run > a 50/50 mix of conventional AC and TMCC on my layout. It is hard to do > without walk around control once you have it, and the precise control of > voltage to the old AC engines. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On > Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:10 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog > > Gentlemen, > > My club is co-hosting the 2010 S Spree and we're offering a Lionel Flyer > car as one of our Spree cars. We visited with a Lionel representative > today in Chesterfield Michigan (a few minutes from my house) and I just > HAPPENED to have mentioned the new U33-C. Lionel seems quite committed > to bringing out this locomotive, and a few questions of mine were > answered. Mainly, the locomotive will NOT have swinging pilots like the > O gauge version, and it will be able to negotiate classic Flyer track. I > mentioned that a number of people in S would like to have a "delete" > option, if possible, on the Legacy system. Scalers would go for this, as > they would probably prefer to install DCC, and old time AC guys like me > would prefer not to have to pay for the added electronics which I would > never use (but that's a topic for another time - sorry, Carl ). As far > as the Odyssey II speed control system, it's a no-go due to the space > limitations in the Flyer shell, and the specific motor size already in > place in the O gauge line. > > This loco looks very cool in the catalog, and from what I learned about > it (not too much more than from the catalog) it will be a honey to run > and will be in keeping with what I perceived to be a commitment to S in > the future. I sincerely hope that Lionel will be able to bring this item > out at the price suggested. Even with all that "sparky stuff" it's a > good value. > > Jerry Poniatowski > Saving My Pennies, Dimes and Dollars in SE Michigan > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > Carl Tuveson <carl@> wrote: > > > > The Artwork is just a O Gauge loco PhotoShopped on AF track. > > > > No Smoke or Electro Couplers is my bet. I looked twice at the smoke > too.. Would have been cool. > > > > Carl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53115	From: ham_45242	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: #600 wiring diagram

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > To the group: I am in need of a wiring diagram for the # 600 crossing gate. If anyone has one they can email me at mo2337@... Happy Birthday Stumpy, I thought you were old but I have you by 3 years, you young'un. Thanks to all and let's keep the fun rollin, Larry Moore > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hello, and although I don't have the instructions, the underside of the #600 has 3 binding posts, two of which are connected to the gate actuator solenoid and lamp in parallel. The third post should be for the bell (activated independently by two 696 track trips). The main gate is designed to be activated by a either a 670 or 697 track trip. Therefore 3 wires go to the unit: one for the gate/lamp, one for the bell and one common (base post). OTOH the older #591 gate (with the 4 terminals) was designed to also work with Gilbert's "rectiformer" system (trains run on DC, accessories on AC) and contained an integral relay that was placed in series with the locomotive when it crossed into an isolated track section at which time the relay contacts closed an 15VAC was applied to the gate solenoid. Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53116	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

You have described one of the major reasons that steamers don't run so well sometimes. By stating that you couldn't get the brushes out you also show that they are semi-stuck in there by build up of oil and carbon that keeps the springs from putting proper pressure on the commutator. Almost without exception the steamers I get in here for repair have that problem. You need to remove the brush holder cap and clean out the tubes with a Q-tip and a solvent. ( I use acetone). Then also wipe all the goo off the brushes themselves. All around the barrel of them and the front as well. This will improve your performance for sure. After you do this, keep oil away from the brushes..... Steve SnS TGrains Boise In a message dated 03/04/2009 8:54:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, kbt1@... writes: Hi, Thanks for all of the suggestions for getting my 326 up and running. There does not appear to be a lot of lateral movement in the armature, so I just cleaned what I could without taking the motor apart. I couldn't get the brushes out so I don't know what shape they are in. However it now runs equally well both forward and backwards. Not very fast, but it is smooth. I don't know what type (large or small) motor it has since I'm not sure what to look for. I'm using a 1A transformer for testing so maybe it does not have enough power to run it faster. I do have another question if I may. When I opened the tender I was surprised to find a speaker. When running the locomotive the speaker crackled a bit. My question is what is supposed to come out of the speaker, and how do I get it to work? There are a couple of parts around it, a capacitor and resistor(?). I could start by replacing them. Is there a circuit diagram available? (ok that was more than one question!) Again, thanks for the help, Keith **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53117	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Thanks y'all

Thanks for all the good wishes. Even though there are times we don't agree on things, I count you folks among my friends. I often feel older than my years, but most times I still think like I did years ago. Fortunately, I'm experianced enough not to do some of the stuff I did back then! Thanks again! Stumpy in warming Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53118	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: return to link couplers

Much of the AF I have acquired in the last few years had been converted to knuckle coupler. That makes the pieces more affordable so it's a good thing. On the other hand, call me crazy, but I like link couplers. They are easy to adjust and reliable even if not prototypical. I have only had one spurious uncoupling with links and many with knuckles. With my track seven feet from the floor reliability is more important than the look. So I want to changes some of them back to links... at least enough to make some conversion cars. I have new links and pins on hand and am wondering the best way to reattach the pins. I did one by splitting/smashing/peening the 'rivet' part of the pin over the mounting hole using a torx driver and hammer over a steel block. This would be an easier operation if one had four hands. It is also discomforting to have a hammer that close to a car or tender, even if you're just tapping. Some of you experts must have a better way to remount these. Could you let us know how you do it? Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53119	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

"Note from moderator do this at you own risk and not where it can find an ingition source. Very FLAMABLE stuff!" Hi! I use the old style liter fluid to clean off the brushes, and barrel. It will dry as fast as acetone, but will not damage paint if you spill it. The type I use is Rislone in the yellow, and blue container. When putting it on the Q-tip the nozzle helps to put out the right amount on the Q-tip. I have never had the liter fluid do any thing bad to the train, but what do the rest of you think about using it? Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 3/4/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: > From: boss31@... <boss31@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:57 PM > You have described one of the major reasons that steamers > don't run so well > sometimes. > By stating that you couldn't get the brushes out you > also show that they are > semi-stuck in there by build up of oil and carbon that > keeps the springs > from putting proper pressure on the commutator. Almost > without exception the > steamers I get in here for repair have that problem. You > need to remove the > brush holder cap and clean out the tubes with a Q-tip and a > solvent. ( I use > acetone). Then also wipe all the goo off the brushes > themselves. All around the > barrel of them and the front as well. This will improve > your performance for > sure. After you do this, keep oil away from the > brushes..... > > Steve > SnS TGrains > Boise > > > In a message dated 03/04/2009 8:54:08 P.M. Mountain > Standard Time, > kbt1@... writes: > > > > > > Hi, > > Thanks for all of the suggestions for getting my 326 up and > running. > There does not appear to be a lot of lateral movement in > the armature, > so I just cleaned what I could without taking the motor > apart. I > couldn't get the brushes out so I don't know what > shape they are in. > However it now runs equally well both forward and > backwards. Not very > fast, but it is smooth. I don't know what type (large > or small) motor > it has since I'm not sure what to look for. I'm > using a 1A transformer > for testing so maybe it does not have enough power to run > it faster. > > I do have another question if I may. When I opened the > tender I was > surprised to find a speaker. When running the locomotive > the speaker > crackled a bit. My question is what is supposed to come out > of the > speaker, and how do I get it to work? There are a couple of > parts > around it, a capacitor and resistor(?). I could start by > replacing > them. Is there a circuit diagram available? (ok that was > more than one > question!) > > Again, thanks for the help, > Keith > > > > > **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 > safest jobs in a > recession. > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53120	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: return to link couplers

I had my kids help, and my wife. Now I'm back to doing it by my self too. A nice steel tool to back it up would be great as you use the set on it. I have yet to see one on Ebay, but I do see the rivet sets from time to time. Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: > From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] return to link couplers > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:39 AM > Much of the AF I have acquired in the last few years had > been converted to knuckle coupler. That makes the pieces > more affordable so it's a good thing. On the other > hand, call me crazy, but I like link couplers. They are > easy to adjust and reliable even if not prototypical. I > have only had one spurious uncoupling with links and many > with knuckles. With my track seven feet from the floor > reliability is more important than the look. > > So I want to changes some of them back to links... at least > enough to make some conversion cars. I have new links and > pins on hand and am wondering the best way to reattach the > pins. I did one by splitting/smashing/peening the > 'rivet' part of the pin over the mounting hole using > a torx driver and hammer over a steel block. This would be > an easier operation if one had four hands. It is also > discomforting to have a hammer that close to a car or > tender, even if you're just tapping. > > Some of you experts must have a better way to remount > these. Could you let us know how you do it? > > Thanks, > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53121	From: ekaplan707	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

A better investment is to get the complete TMCC Command Set (Command Base and Cab1) and get a TPC300 instead of the Power Master. The TPC provides much better control of old flyer engines and will also enable bell and whistle on the MPC era engines that have those sound boards. Plus the TPC handles a much greater current load. It is a much more robust product. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > No need to duck, but with the release of the Legacy control system I > have seen the original command set go fairly cheaply. > > Buying only the command set and adding that to your layout would allow > you to use TMCC engines, some of which are available for less money that > originally priced. > > Add the power master and you don't have to do any "upgrades" your old > engines. (this is really the part I like) > > > You could skip getting the TMCC command base and just buy the > Powermaster and Cab-1, this allows you to have remote control of the > track voltage, and you don't have to convert any of your locos, or buy > any new tmcc engine to have walk around control. I have seen these > combos go for under a 100 bucks on ebay. They are less common than the > command set though. Powermaster is more commonly found separately. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:48 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog > > Hey Mark, > > Another guy in our club has also been trying to convince me to spend my > cash on the system, and "upgrades" on my engines, but since money is > scarce around here, I can do without all that expense. > > Admittedly, it sounds nice, and the new electronic stuff runs and sounds > very great, but as Dear Old Dad used to say "If it's more complicated, > it's more to fix". He was referring to power steering and brakes, but > the same holds for trains. But then again, I have been know to resurrect > junkers and install can motors in them with a simple electronic e-unit. > I hate to say it, but most of my Flyer is on sidings or shelves and runs > only occasionally. When I do run them, they are fine enough for me. > > Should I duck now? ;>) > > Jerry > > PS My club is bringing our display layout to the Spring Spree. Hope to > meet you guys there! Stop by and say "HI". I'll be the tall guy with the > big smile on his face. When the trains are shut down for the day, I'll > see you in the "liquid refreshment" room! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@> wrote: > > > > You as an old time AC guy may be missing something by not trying the > > conventional control option of TMCC on your vintage flyer engines. I > run > > a 50/50 mix of conventional AC and TMCC on my layout. It is hard to do > > without walk around control once you have it, and the precise control > of > > voltage to the old AC engines. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] > On > > Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:10 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > My club is co-hosting the 2010 S Spree and we're offering a Lionel > Flyer > > car as one of our Spree cars. We visited with a Lionel representative > > today in Chesterfield Michigan (a few minutes from my house) and I > just > > HAPPENED to have mentioned the new U33-C. Lionel seems quite committed > > to bringing out this locomotive, and a few questions of mine were > > answered. Mainly, the locomotive will NOT have swinging pilots like > the > > O gauge version, and it will be able to negotiate classic Flyer track. > I > > mentioned that a number of people in S would like to have a "delete" > > option, if possible, on the Legacy system. Scalers would go for this, > as > > they would probably prefer to install DCC, and old time AC guys like > me > > would prefer not to have to pay for the added electronics which I > would > > never use (but that's a topic for another time - sorry, Carl ). As far > > as the Odyssey II speed control system, it's a no-go due to the space > > limitations in the Flyer shell, and the specific motor size already in > > place in the O gauge line. > > > > This loco looks very cool in the catalog, and from what I learned > about > > it (not too much more than from the catalog) it will be a honey to run > > and will be in keeping with what I perceived to be a commitment to S > in > > the future. I sincerely hope that Lionel will be able to bring this > item > > out at the price suggested. Even with all that "sparky stuff" it's a > > good value. > > > > Jerry Poniatowski > > Saving My Pennies, Dimes and Dollars in SE Michigan > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > > Carl Tuveson <carl@> wrote: > > > > > > The Artwork is just a O Gauge loco PhotoShopped on AF track. > > > > > > No Smoke or Electro Couplers is my bet. I looked twice at the smoke > > too.. Would have been cool. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53122	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Actually the flashpoint of Acetone according to MSDS is -20 Deg C, and the flashpoint of the old style lighter fluids made by Ronson, according to MSDS is -4 Deg C. So the advice on flammability should be applied to the Acetone as well, as it actually has a lower flashpoint. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? "Note from moderator do this at you own risk and not where it can find an ingition source. Very FLAMABLE stuff!" Hi! I use the old style liter fluid to clean off the brushes, and barrel. It will dry as fast as acetone, but will not damage paint if you spill it. The type I use is Rislone in the yellow, and blue container. When putting it on the Q-tip the nozzle helps to put out the right amount on the Q-tip. I have never had the liter fluid do any thing bad to the train, but what do the rest of you think about using it? Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 3/4/09, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> <boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > wrote: > From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> <boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:57 PM > You have described one of the major reasons that steamers > don't run so well > sometimes. > By stating that you couldn't get the brushes out you > also show that they are > semi-stuck in there by build up of oil and carbon that > keeps the springs > from putting proper pressure on the commutator. Almost > without exception the > steamers I get in here for repair have that problem. You > need to remove the > brush holder cap and clean out the tubes with a Q-tip and a > solvent. ( I use > acetone). Then also wipe all the goo off the brushes > themselves. All around the > barrel of them and the front as well. This will improve > your performance for > sure. After you do this, keep oil away from the > brushes..... > > Steve > SnS TGrains > Boise > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53123	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

clayton deich wrote: > "Note from moderator do this at you own risk and not where it can find > an igition source. Very FLAMMABLE stuff!" > I use the old style liter fluid to clean off the brushes, and barrel. Just an FYI, lighter fluid is usually naphtha as noted by this entry on Wikipedia for Naphtha: "An ingredient in some lighter fluids for wick type lighters such as Zippo lighters" Also note that it is carcinogenic but what isn't these days? It also burns like heck if you get it on your skin. Symptoms of acute exposure are dizziness and narcosis with loss of consciousness. I would suggest using something different or else be very careful and only use it where there is lots of ventilation. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53124	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog

No argument with this advice, as this is exactly what I have done. TPC units are a not as plentiful on ebay though. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ekaplan707 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog A better investment is to get the complete TMCC Command Set (Command Base and Cab1) and get a TPC300 instead of the Power Master. The TPC provides much better control of old flyer engines and will also enable bell and whistle on the MPC era engines that have those sound boards. Plus the TPC handles a much greater current load. It is a much more robust product. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > No need to duck, but with the release of the Legacy control system I > have seen the original command set go fairly cheaply. > > Buying only the command set and adding that to your layout would allow > you to use TMCC engines, some of which are available for less money that > originally priced. > > Add the power master and you don't have to do any "upgrades" your old > engines. (this is really the part I like) > > > You could skip getting the TMCC command base and just buy the > Powermaster and Cab-1, this allows you to have remote control of the > track voltage, and you don't have to convert any of your locos, or buy > any new tmcc engine to have walk around control. I have seen these > combos go for under a 100 bucks on ebay. They are less common than the > command set though. Powermaster is more commonly found separately. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53125	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Control Systems

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski Hey Mark, Another guy in our club has also been trying to convince me to spend my cash on the system, and "upgrades" on my engines, but since money is scarce around here, I can do without all that expense. > > > > > > > > > . Hey Jerry I think you ought to convert a few of your engines to DCC. It's the coming thing, and it doesn't have to be hard or expensive. Tom Hawley Another 'nother guy in your club.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53126	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

That MSDS you are using must be incorrect, as -20 Deg C = -4 F and -4 Deg C = 24.8 Deg F as both of these would be burning at room temperature. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Actually the flashpoint of Acetone according to MSDS is -20 Deg C, and > the flashpoint of the old style lighter fluids made by Ronson, according > to MSDS is -4 Deg C. > > So the advice on flammability should be applied to the Acetone as well, > as it actually has a lower flashpoint. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of clayton deich > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:06 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > > "Note from moderator do this at you own risk and not where it can find > an ingition source. Very FLAMABLE stuff!" > > Hi! > > I use the old style liter fluid to clean off the brushes, and barrel. It > will dry as fast as acetone, but will not damage paint if you spill it. > The type I use is Rislone in the yellow, and blue container. When > putting it on the Q-tip the nozzle helps to put out the right amount on > the Q-tip. I have never had the liter fluid do any thing bad to the > train, but what do the rest of you think about using it? > > Clayton > Milwaukie OR > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > <boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > wrote: > > > From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> <boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:57 PM > > You have described one of the major reasons that steamers > > don't run so well > > sometimes. > > By stating that you couldn't get the brushes out you > > also show that they are > > semi-stuck in there by build up of oil and carbon that > > keeps the springs > > from putting proper pressure on the commutator. Almost > > without exception the > > steamers I get in here for repair have that problem. You > > need to remove the > > brush holder cap and clean out the tubes with a Q-tip and a > > solvent. ( I use > > acetone). Then also wipe all the goo off the brushes > > themselves. All around the > > barrel of them and the front as well. This will improve > > your performance for > > sure. After you do this, keep oil away from the > > brushes..... > > > > Steve > > SnS TGrains > > Boise > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53127	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Yes you are right liter fluid , and acetone can go off on you. I am careful with it. Was there ever a train called the fire ball?? Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Thu, 3/5/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 7:06 AM > "Note from moderator do this at you own risk and not > where it can find an ingition source. Very FLAMABLE > stuff!" > > > Hi! > > I use the old style liter fluid to clean off the brushes, > and barrel. It will dry as fast as acetone, but will not > damage paint if you spill it. The type I use is Rislone in > the yellow, and blue container. When putting it on the Q-tip > the nozzle helps to put out the right amount on the Q-tip. I > have never had the liter fluid do any thing bad to the > train, but what do the rest of you think about using it? > > Clayton > Milwaukie OR > > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> > wrote: > > > From: boss31@... <boss31@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:57 PM > > You have described one of the major reasons that > steamers > > don't run so well > > sometimes. > > By stating that you couldn't get the brushes out > you > > also show that they are > > semi-stuck in there by build up of oil and carbon that > > keeps the springs > > from putting proper pressure on the commutator. Almost > > without exception the > > steamers I get in here for repair have that problem. > You > > need to remove the > > brush holder cap and clean out the tubes with a Q-tip > and a > > solvent. ( I use > > acetone). Then also wipe all the goo off the brushes > > themselves. All around the > > barrel of them and the front as well. This will > improve > > your performance for > > sure. After you do this, keep oil away from the > > brushes..... > > > > Steve > > SnS TGrains > > Boise > > > > > > In a message dated 03/04/2009 8:54:08 P.M. Mountain > > Standard Time, > > kbt1@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for all of the suggestions for getting my 326 > up and > > running. > > There does not appear to be a lot of lateral movement > in > > the armature, > > so I just cleaned what I could without taking the > motor > > apart. I > > couldn't get the brushes out so I don't know > what > > shape they are in. > > However it now runs equally well both forward and > > backwards. Not very > > fast, but it is smooth. I don't know what type > (large > > or small) motor > > it has since I'm not sure what to look for. > I'm > > using a 1A transformer > > for testing so maybe it does not have enough power to > run > > it faster. > > > > I do have another question if I may. When I opened the > > tender I was > > surprised to find a speaker. When running the > locomotive > > the speaker > > crackled a bit. My question is what is supposed to > come out > > of the > > speaker, and how do I get it to work? There are a > couple of > > parts > > around it, a capacitor and resistor(?). I could start > by > > replacing > > them. Is there a circuit diagram available? (ok that > was > > more than one > > question!) > > > > Again, thanks for the help, > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > **************Worried about job security? Check out > the 5 > > safest jobs in a > > recession. > > > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53128	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: return to link couplers

I bought links and pins from americanflyerwarehouse.com and they came with a tool to reattach them. > > Much of the AF I have acquired in the last few years had been converted to knuckle coupler. That makes the pieces more affordable so it's a good thing. On the other hand, call me crazy, but I like link couplers. They are easy to adjust and reliable even if not prototypical. I have only had one spurious uncoupling with links and many with knuckles. With my track seven feet from the floor reliability is more important than the look. > > So I want to changes some of them back to links... at least enough to make some conversion cars. I have new links and pins on hand and am wondering the best way to reattach the pins. I did one by splitting/smashing/peening the 'rivet' part of the pin over the mounting hole using a torx driver and hammer over a steel block. This would be an easier operation if one had four hands. It is also discomforting to have a hammer that close to a car or tender, even if you're just tapping. > > Some of you experts must have a better way to remount these. Could you let us know how you do it? > > Thanks, > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53129	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF 20123 Set

ROBERT.... I have 1 in my collection that Susan Romer sent me after her Dad passed..... I had a copy too and sold it for over 100.00 about 6-7 years ago.... Thinking of doing maybe 3 copies and putting them on e-bay.... Ideas... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:28 PM You're welcome.  I have heard several people refer to Romer's papers.  Are they available anywhere online?  Or can they be purchased somewhere?  I would love to to use them as a resource for my website TheGilbertGallery. org. Bob --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:04 PM Thanks for that info. I was starting to wonder about the accuracy of the man, THE Maury Romer, who actually was involved in Gilbert train set compilation record keeping back in the day. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Bob Tufts book lists three variations of the set. You're both right. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink . net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink . net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:20 PM Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53130	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: ROTARY COAL DUMPER

Came across this on E-Bay Item # 350173750359 Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53131	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

Oh contraire! I believe you misunderstand the definition of flash point. You must have an ignition source at flash point. I assume you may be confusing with auto ignition. Auto ignition is 230 deg C for the lighter fluid and 465 C for the Acetone. I would pay more attention to the flash point though as far as the stability. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boguscop1953 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? That MSDS you are using must be incorrect, as -20 Deg C = -4 F and -4 Deg C = 24.8 Deg F as both of these would be burning at room temperature. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Actually the flashpoint of Acetone according to MSDS is -20 Deg C, and > the flashpoint of the old style lighter fluids made by Ronson, according > to MSDS is -4 Deg C. > > So the advice on flammability should be applied to the Acetone as well, > as it actually has a lower flashpoint. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On > Behalf Of clayton deich > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:06 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > > "Note from moderator do this at you own risk and not where it can find > an ingition source. Very FLAMABLE stuff!" > > Hi! > > I use the old style liter fluid to clean off the brushes, and barrel. It > will dry as fast as acetone, but will not damage paint if you spill it. > The type I use is Rislone in the yellow, and blue container. When > putting it on the Q-tip the nozzle helps to put out the right amount on > the Q-tip. I have never had the liter fluid do any thing bad to the > train, but what do the rest of you think about using it? > > Clayton > Milwaukie OR > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > <boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > wrote: > > > From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> <boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:57 PM > > You have described one of the major reasons that steamers > > don't run so well > > sometimes. > > By stating that you couldn't get the brushes out you > > also show that they are > > semi-stuck in there by build up of oil and carbon that > > keeps the springs > > from putting proper pressure on the commutator. Almost > > without exception the > > steamers I get in here for repair have that problem. You > > need to remove the > > brush holder cap and clean out the tubes with a Q-tip and a > > solvent. ( I use > > acetone). Then also wipe all the goo off the brushes > > themselves. All around the > > barrel of them and the front as well. This will improve > > your performance for > > sure. After you do this, keep oil away from the > > brushes..... > > > > Steve > > SnS TGrains > > Boise > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53132	From: David Engle	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

If not, Frisco had the "Firefly". "Gold Ball" and "Red Ball" would be stretching it a bit, but they were freight trains. ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? Yes you are right liter fluid , and acetone can go off on you. I am careful with it. Was there ever a train called the fire ball?? Clayton Milwaukie OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53133	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Flash Point Vs. Ignition Temperature

The flash point of a flammable liquid is the lowest temperature at which its vapor can form an IGNITABLE mixture in air. It is not the temperature at which the vapor burst into flames without an iginition source. At the flash point the vapor may even cease to burn when the source of ignition is removed. For example gasoline has a flash point of approximately -50 F (-65 C) and we don't see raging fires everytime someone fills up their vehicle. Ignition temperature is the temperature at which a mixture of a flammable vapor and air will ignite without a spark or flame. For gasoline this temperature is around 495 F (257 C). For acetone the ignition temperature is 869 F (465 C) and for naptha it is 1022 F (550 C). So definitely be aware of open flames and sparks but unless your workplace is warmer than about 869 F (465 C) you don't have to worry about auto-ignition of acetone or naptha! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53134	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Maury Romer's ledgers

Bob, Resending my original message sent directly to you via the S-Trains list in case you didn't receive it the first time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: theupstairstrain@... Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: Maury Romer's ledgers Bob, They are long out of print. Rarely, they will show up on eBay, but very rarely. There are three different compilations by Maury. One is for 3 digit issues, one for five digit issues, and the one I quoted from on set compilations. Maury offered all three of them for sale via ads in the S Gaugian back in the mid seventies. I bought them directly from Maury back in '76, before he passed away. Each issue is about 75-100 pages, with the five digit compilation on legal sized paper, copied, from the original ledgers Maury kept when he worked at Gilbert. His original ledgers were among some of the items he fished out of the dumpsters, as every bit of factory paper and ledgers were ordered destroyed back in the final days of the company. They contain every number (3 and 5 digit) that Gilbert made (and never produced) for all train production. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set You're welcome. I have heard several people refer to Romer's papers. Are they available anywhere online? Or can they be purchased somewhere? I would love to to use them as a resource for my website TheGilbertGallery.org. Bob --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:04 PM Thanks for that info. I was starting to wonder about the accuracy of the man, THE Maury Romer, who actually was involved in Gilbert train set compilation record keeping back in the day. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Bob Tufts book lists three variations of the set. You're both right. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:20 PM Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53135	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog, etc.

Hey Guys! "command set", "command base", "cab1", "TPC300", "Power Master", Legacy", Odyssey". Does this seem too complicated for simple running of trains? And Tom ('nother guy in the club) don't EVEN get me started on DCC. Decoders, power supplies with higher voltages, programing, wiring, sometimes having to use a computer to get things working? ;>) Seriously, all good suggestions, and I truly appreciate all the help, as that's what this forum is all about. Personally, I like to help others too, and am not above helping others spend their money! <G> However, my goal in my recent retirement is to simplify things, not complicate them. I'd like to dabble in the new stuff, but until I hit the Lotto, that's not going to happen soon (when I do hit the Lotto, I'm buying at the nearest tavern - you just have to get here). What little "train money" I have goes to scratch building supplies, paint and tools, not to mention bashing material. Once in a great while I'll get something that turns my crank. Hey, it all depends on what you want to get out or our hobby. I appreciate and respect everyone's approach to it. It's the differences that make it all interesting and worthwhile, not to mention a learning experience. I don't put anybody's preferences down or make SERIOUS judgments about them, in spite of the above paragraphs (which were written with my tongue firmly in my cheek). I recently re-joined this forum after a long hiatus due to a run-in with someone who ticked me off. However, as my Dear old Dad used to say "Life's too short". I invite all of you to visit my club's "being updated" website: <smsgtrains-dot-org>. (I thank our webmaster, Dave Held). Click on "projects" and then to "member's projects", then scroll down to my humble layout. Very toy-like, but that's what it all boils down to. In the final analysis, they're all toys. I've even had a hard core rivet counter (who shall remain nameless) tell me that. So enjoy them any you wish. I like 'em all, but can only afford what I have. I'll be at the '09 Spree helping man our club's display layout. Warn me first so I can either duck, or share a root beer with you! Jerry Poniatowski Using 30B's and 15B's on tinplate track w/rubber roadbed in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > No argument with this advice, as this is exactly what I have done. TPC > units are a not as plentiful on ebay though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of ekaplan707 > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:37 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Catalog > > A better investment is to get the complete TMCC Command Set (Command > Base and Cab1) and get a TPC300 instead of the Power Master. The TPC > provides much better control of old flyer engines and will also enable > bell and whistle on the MPC era engines that have those sound boards. > Plus the TPC handles a much greater current load. It is a much more > robust product. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, > "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@> wrote: > > > > No need to duck, but with the release of the Legacy control system I > > have seen the original command set go fairly cheaply. > > > > Buying only the command set and adding that to your layout would allow > > you to use TMCC engines, some of which are available for less money > that > > originally priced. > > > > Add the power master and you don't have to do any "upgrades" your old > > engines. (this is really the part I like) > > > > > > You could skip getting the TMCC command base and just buy the > > Powermaster and Cab-1, this allows you to have remote control of the > > track voltage, and you don't have to convert any of your locos, or buy > > any new tmcc engine to have walk around control. I have seen these > > combos go for under a 100 bucks on ebay. They are less common than the > > command set though. Powermaster is more commonly found separately. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53136	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: return to link couplers

The best way is the factory way. Our riveting press comes with a set of dies for doing just that. It has a long hollow crimp die that just slides down over the pin and has a cross shaped tapered front. When you pull the press handle down it reforms the original crimp. We provide this service for $5 per car. Like you said, other ways take four hands..... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/05/2009 7:08:20 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: Much of the AF I have acquired in the last few years had been converted to knuckle coupler. That makes the pieces more affordable so it's a good thing. On the other hand, call me crazy, but I like link couplers. They are easy to adjust and reliable even if not prototypical. I have only had one spurious uncoupling with links and many with knuckles. With my track seven feet from the floor reliability is more important than the look. So I want to changes some of them back to links... at least enough to make some conversion cars. I have new links and pins on hand and am wondering the best way to reattach the pins. I did one by splitting/smashing/So I want to changes some of them back to links... at least enough to make some conversion cars. I have new links and pins on hand and am wondering the best way to reattach the pins. I did one by splitting/smashing/<WBR>peening the 'rivet' part of the pin over the mou Some of you experts must have a better way to remount these. Could you let us know how you do it? Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53137	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

What about the delusion of some of the types of acetone from the Drug stores? The type we use at work out of the 55 gal drum. I should look that MSDS up when I'm back to work. The Q-tip size drop would not last long if it went off, but I have not had it burn when using it. 68 degrees Fahrenheit is equal to 20 degrees Celsius 4 C = 39.2 F MSDS acetone Boiling Point 133o F Melting Point -137.2o F Flash point: -17 C = 62.6 degrees Fahrenheit. MSDS Ronsonol lighter fluid Boiling Point: 224-311 F Vapor Pressure (MM Hg/70 F): 47 Flash Point: 42F Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > From: Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 9:47 AM > Actually the flashpoint of Acetone according to MSDS is -20 > Deg C, and > the flashpoint of the old style lighter fluids made by > Ronson, according > to MSDS is -4 Deg C. > > So the advice on flammability should be applied to the > Acetone as well, > as it actually has a lower flashpoint. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of clayton deich > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:06 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > > "Note from moderator do this at you own risk and not > where it can find > an ingition source. Very FLAMABLE stuff!" > > Hi! > > I use the old style liter fluid to clean off the brushes, > and barrel. It > will dry as fast as acetone, but will not damage paint if > you spill it. > The type I use is Rislone in the yellow, and blue > container. When > putting it on the Q-tip the nozzle helps to put out the > right amount on > the Q-tip. I have never had the liter fluid do any thing > bad to the > train, but what do the rest of you think about using it? > > Clayton > Milwaukie OR > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > <boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > > wrote: > > > From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > <boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: weak motor? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:57 PM > > You have described one of the major reasons that > steamers > > don't run so well > > sometimes. > > By stating that you couldn't get the brushes out > you > > also show that they are > > semi-stuck in there by build up of oil and carbon that > > keeps the springs > > from putting proper pressure on the commutator. Almost > > without exception the > > steamers I get in here for repair have that problem. > You > > need to remove the > > brush holder cap and clean out the tubes with a Q-tip > and a > > solvent. ( I use > > acetone). Then also wipe all the goo off the brushes > > themselves. All around the > > barrel of them and the front as well. This will > improve > > your performance for > > sure. After you do this, keep oil away from the > > brushes..... > > > > Steve > > SnS TGrains > > Boise > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53138	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Wheels

Has anyone tried to install American Models Pacific wheels on an AF loco. I just bought a used Pacific, and was looking at the wheels, which appear to have a center plastic isolator, and an axle diameter that is very close to Gilbert. Worst case scenario it appears that the machining of a new pair of plastic isolators would allow the installation of these wheels on AF locos. Has anyone done this? How did it work? They are nice looking wheels, even the highrail flange wheels look much nicer than the Gilbert original. MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53139	From: ac312	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: American Models service -- positive experience

While reading the recent posts regarding another member's experience w/AM, I remembered that I had also bought a loco and had never removed it from the box and tested it. It was an FM Trainmaster purchased a few years ago (2?maybe). Put it on the track and it moved only a short distance while making a popping noise. Aw S__T! Investigation revealed a cracked axle gear. I emailed Ron B. He asked what shape the bearings were and three days later I had a wheelset complete w/gear delivered to my house via USPS. Kudos for AM's service from this S-trains member. Take care all, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53140	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Models service -- positive experience

Don, That is great to hear that he took care of you. But however in my case it was going very argument. He did finally say to send it in as hopefully it is something that needs to be cleaned and the truck to replace the bad one should not cost him much, as of course, use the wheels from mine. And I did include a check for return postage. As a marketing major, it was handle poorly in the start by Ron, but I am very pleased that he is taking care of. Hopefully, he will handle the next customer situation a bit better. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: ac312 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models service -- positive experience While reading the recent posts regarding another member's experience w/AM, I remembered that I had also bought a loco and had never removed it from the box and tested it. It was an FM Trainmaster purchased a few years ago (2?maybe). Put it on the track and it moved only a short distance while making a popping noise. Aw S__T! Investigation revealed a cracked axle gear. I emailed Ron B. He asked what shape the bearings were and three days later I had a wheelset complete w/gear delivered to my house via USPS. Kudos for AM's service from this S-trains member. Take care all, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53141	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels

Try S-Helper Gilbert AF compatible replacement wheels. I use them on ACG AF operating cars, passenger cars, and tenders. They look alot better, maintain connections with the rails very well, and noticeable improve the operation of steamers with tenders that don't have any pick-up feet (e.g. Royal Blue 350). Best part is they just got a boatload of them in. Also without any plastic wheels your tracks and wheels don't need to be cleaned as often. I also use their rolling stock replacement wheels on ACG AF tank cars, box cars, etc. They roll better too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53142	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

See this exchange on OGR - - http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/95910436 <http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/95910436> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53143	From: Firewood	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flash Point Vs. Ignition Temperature

Yup, the vapour may be there, but yes, it still needs help to ignite. For example, don't help it along by spraying contact cleaner at a live running motor.........the resulting fireball around sparking brushes is small, but relatively surprising........and how do I know this??? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53144	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels

I am talking about the locomotive drive wheels. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wheels Try S-Helper Gilbert AF compatible replacement wheels. I use them on ACG AF operating cars, passenger cars, and tenders. They look alot better, maintain connections with the rails very well, and noticeable improve the operation of steamers with tenders that don't have any pick-up feet (e.g. Royal Blue 350). Best part is they just got a boatload of them in. Also without any plastic wheels your tracks and wheels don't need to be cleaned as often. I also use their rolling stock replacement wheels on ACG AF tank cars, box cars, etc. They roll better too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53145	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: American Models service -- positive experience

Ron's customer skills run hot and cold. On a bad day it seems he could hardly care less if you were, are, or ever will be a customer. On another day he takes care of you very graciously no problem. Once I ordered a set of Pullman heavyweights (love 'em and run 'em with nearly everything) from him. They arrived very well packaged and promptly with - surprise - an attractive American Models mug in the box! Nice touch. I think I'll use it tomorrow morning. You just never know.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53146	From: Mike	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Toy Train Paper and Memorabilia Group

The fledgling Toy Train Paper and Memorabilia Group is an electronic forum, open to everyone, where the "Paper and Memorabilia" created for and about "all" toy trains, and related products, can be discussed and information shared. 1) Our flyer: http://www.ttpandm.com/ 2) To join: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/ Mike Spanier List Owner & Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53147	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Investment advice

Oh, dammit! My stocks are tanking, my 401K is headed negative, my job is getting iffy! What am I gonna' do? Yep, we are headed into uncharted economic territory, what can an S gauge type look to for the future? Investment! It's time to INVEST IN YOURSELF! What? YES, put your money where it can never be taken away, where you'll get a return for the rest of your life! Once you learn something, it can never be taken away! Sure as you get older, it gets harder to remember things, but you NEVER actually forget. Every memory is still there, our "mental computer's hard drive" is pretty full and our "processor" is slower as we age. Want proof? Did you ever have a dream where something you had long forgotten about, showed up? In a conversation, you couldn't remember someone's name, yet two hours later it just poppped into your head? So, learn something new, and have it forever! Learn to fix your trains...buy a repair manual. Buy a few cheap kits and built something, or chop 'em up and stick 'em back together in kit-bashing. Get some stripwood or plastic, or even cardstock, and build something from scratch. Get some cheap automobiles at the "big box" store and rework, repaint, or customize them. If the results of your first projects don't come out too well, heck, you don't have to show them to anyone! Just do another one until you get better! I read about casting resin some years back, tried it, and after a time got pretty fair at it. Enough to build models for me, and I even sold some! Once a skill is yours, its yours to keep! The more you do it, the better you get. Stumpy Stone...Investing in ME for a looooonnnggg time...in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53148	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Fw: Lionel S Helper AM

I sent this to Don Thompson this morning, but I thought I would share it with the rest of the S and TCA world. I wonder if I do what I wrote would be legal at York. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Don Thompson Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Lionel S Helper AM Don, I just converted my CN Reefer from Lionel to S Helper wheels. So lets see all my running AF or Lionel on the layout which is just mainly action cars have S helper wheels, all my S Helper Cars have AM couplers and my 4 AM cars have AM wheels and couplers. (The S Helper couplers will not work with my AM uncouplers on the track.) Maybe I should just continue with AM cars only. Just kidding. Totally weird. I will have a surplus sale on Lionel and AF wheels and S Helper Couplers. I know what I can do with them. At the end of baseball season when we where kids, most kids would take their baseball cards to this intersection and throw them all up in the air, as people like me, scramble to get them. Boy, where they foolish because I still have them, 20,000 cards and they are worth a small bundle. SOOOOOO..... at York, I think by the Pumpkin Funnel cake stand I will throw all the wheels and couplers up in the air. I bet no one will want them. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53149	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Houston S Gaugers Web Site Update

Dear Thomas, (and anyone else interested) I always tried to get anyone interested in trains and RRing, and if they came to my hobby shop "Pete's Switch Stand" in Houston,Texas (the only all scales/all railroading hobby shop in Houston and within a whole lot of miles), they also got to SEE an S scale layout under construction and usually with some train(s) running over the code 100, handlaid track with hand made switches and ties, some scenery and buildings, and always a cup of free coffee available. I also carried a very complete and substantial supply of scratch building supplies in wood, metal and plastic, lost wax detail parts, and many hard to find kits all for various scales, including S. And also had brass models. Additionally I carried all the modell rr mags, including traction and S Gauge Herald and S Gaugian. I had the first Z scale train from Maerklin in a US hobby shop, and tried to promote G = LBG. I even had some batteriey powered ride-on plastic locos for kids. I enjoyed my clients/customers, who came from as far away as Mexico City and New England to search out and find "Pete's Switch Stand" and ranged from RR historical people, live steamers in various gauges and scales, O gaugers, HO, N and narrow gauge buffs of all types, traction fans and the occasional converts and S people such as Billy Click, and Marc Horovitz (who went on to become the creator and editor of "Garden Railways Magazine" [now owned by Kalambach Publ.]. Many top notch, master craftsman modelers, came to my shop to buy all sorts of modeling supplies, in HO, S, O and narow gauge in all scales, to talk, to help on the S layout, including the Freitag brothers (Gil is widely published and a master craftsman with many award winning structures etc, and has one of the most fabulous HO/HOn3 layouts I have had the priveledge to see, operate and help build on occasion. His Stoney Creek and Western is just flat amazing. Gil's brother Dean was the employee and then owner of GandG Hobby Shop in the Village in Houston. Many area modelers would come and help do some of the scenery, track laying and operating of trains on the "Pecos and Eastern" (the then only working S layout) and by default the layout for the Houston S Gaugers of whom I consider myself a founding member....by the way you did not have to be a "scale" modeler or even in S to be part of the Houston S Gaugers, some were O modelers, some narrow gauge, some HO. some inbetween scales or just wanted to have some fun and be around others of similar interests. We had great meets and lots of fun.... and many who participated learned from each other and improved their modeling skills. The Layout was also on the list of things to see by the late John Allen when he was in Houston for an NMRA convention, he unfortunatelly was ill on the evening he was scheduled to come over (he had specifically requested to see the S layout and "Pete' Switch Stand") and never did get to see S in action. Some months later he passed away. By the way, S made a real showing at that convention with several prize winners, including my scartch built, wood truss rod flatcar, and models by Jerry Brewer, Jack Troxell and Hal Hutchinson (Sn3). Pete's Switch Stand was sold to Bobbie Hall - Halls Hobbies of Dallas, Tx about 1975/6. The actual SP switch stand, that acted as the "sign" for the shop was purchased and hauled off by one of the customers. The Layout aprox 12' x 20' was dismanteled (it had been carefully designed to be taken apart in sections, and all the wireing was coded and wired to be seperated at terminal strips for the various sections. By the way the layout featured a common rail wireing system and switch machines that automatically routed power to the track it was allighned for and cut off power to the switch coil when switch was thrown...alowing rotary switches with contact stacks to be turned (point to) the track that was to be used. This provided for contacts for signals, interlocking, and control panels. We used to routinely run several trains around the layout, in opposing directions and have running meets at the passing sideings. The layout was designed for maximum length of running distance, with three loops around the train room, without running on the same track, this was accomlished with one grade crossing and change in height and running "over" the top of the mainline. [More details if anyone is interested at a later date]. The "Pecos and Eastern" and by default, Houston S Gaugers layout was seen by many in Houston traveling down the interstate and highways in sections on a trailer, to the other side of Houston to be stored at Fred Schmidekind's (a superb O scale modeler and friend-deceased) large new home...where it stayed for a while. Rusty Paulus eventually purchased the layout and installed it in a specially built building in his backyard in Pasadena, Tx. He did some reworking and added to the layout...and it wound up on the cover of Model Railroader -with article- The cover scene was of his Soo Line "S and P" S-scale mogul going over a timber road crossing (built by Gil Freitag) and a dirt road and blasted rock cut built and sceniced by me. Unfortunately there were errors, ommisions, inaccuracies in the MR article. Rusty did a wonderfull job of taking my former layout adding, enhancing and refining it to become "his" layout. It pleased me very much to see Rusty's modeling skills develop and grow over the years and see all the effort and expense of creating my layout recycled and not destroyed (not to mention the involvement of many model railroad enthusiasts and modelers. It's kind of early in the AM here in Oregon and I have to go for now...more at another time if any are interested, Check my web site and blog at: http://www.trains-4-u.com/ Best to all, Dr. Peter Loeb...formerly "Pete's Switch Stand", "Loeb Investments" (S kits, track gauges, coupler height gage etc) Contact me directly at t4u@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53150	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel S Helper AM

Just tell us what day you are throwing the wheels in the air at the funnel cake stand. We can meet you there to cheer and grab wheels. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S Trains Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 09:43 Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Lionel S Helper AM I sent this to Don Thompson this morning, but I thought I would share it with the rest of the S and TCA world. I wonder if I do what I wrote would be legal at York. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Don Thompson Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Lionel S Helper AM Don, I just converted my CN Reefer from Lionel to S Helper wheels. So lets see all my running AF or Lionel on the layout which is just mainly action cars have S helper wheels, all my S Helper Cars have AM couplers and my 4 AM cars have AM wheels and couplers. (The S Helper couplers will not work with my AM uncouplers on the track.) Maybe I should just continue with AM cars only. Just kidding. Totally weird. I will have a surplus sale on Lionel and AF wheels and S Helper Couplers. I know what I can do with them. At the end of baseball season when we where kids, most kids would take their baseball cards to this intersection and throw them all up in the air, as people like me, scramble to get them. Boy, where they foolish because I still have them, 20,000 cards and they are worth a small bundle. SOOOOOO..... at York, I think by the Pumpkin Funnel cake stand I will throw all the wheels and couplers up in the air. I bet no one will want them. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53151	From: Mike Lenssen	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: My Recent American Models service

I thought I would share my recent experience with Ron at American Models.   I recently purchased two engines from him, an E8 and an SD60, both AC Hi-rail without sound.  Upon arrival I gave them both a test run.  After 2 minutes of running, I smelled something burning in the E8 and noticed one of the fans had fallen into the shell.  Upon removing the shell, I found that something had burned out on the reversing unit and melted the shell.  The SD60 ran fine, but the shell had a large crack running up the end of the long hood.   After an email to Ron, he said to send the E8 back, but that he did not have any more of the SD60 that I ordered so I could either keep it or send it back for a refund.  I decided to keep the SD60 and try to fix the crack (but I am begining to wonder if it really was the last one, as it is still listed as available on the website).  They replaced the reverse unit in the E8 and sent it back to me.   I gave it a test run.  Again after one minute, it started to get red hot (luckily I removed the shell first).  I emailed Ron again, and told him the problem.  His response was that it ran fine when it left AM, so I would need to fiqure out what was going on.  It was now my problem and not his.   There were a couple more less than polite email exchanges from Ron about the problem, but no solution.  I like American Model's products and think that my problems are not typical of their products, but the customer service is non-existant, and some times down right rude.   I think I have purchased my last AM product and will stick with S-Helper from now on.    I did eventually figure out that the electrical pickup wiper on the front truck was causing a short in the E8.  I simply removed it and it now runs fine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53152	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel S Helper AM

LOL I thought I might get a taker. Friday April 31. Be there. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Helper AM Just tell us what day you are throwing the wheels in the air at the funnel cake stand. We can meet you there to cheer and grab wheels. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S Trains Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 09:43 Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Lionel S Helper AM I sent this to Don Thompson this morning, but I thought I would share it with the rest of the S and TCA world. I wonder if I do what I wrote would be legal at York. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Don Thompson Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Lionel S Helper AM Don, I just converted my CN Reefer from Lionel to S Helper wheels. So lets see all my running AF or Lionel on the layout which is just mainly action cars have S helper wheels, all my S Helper Cars have AM couplers and my 4 AM cars have AM wheels and couplers. (The S Helper couplers will not work with my AM uncouplers on the track.) Maybe I should just continue with AM cars only. Just kidding. Totally weird. I will have a surplus sale on Lionel and AF wheels and S Helper Couplers. I know what I can do with them. At the end of baseball season when we where kids, most kids would take their baseball cards to this intersection and throw them all up in the air, as people like me, scramble to get them. Boy, where they foolish because I still have them, 20,000 cards and they are worth a small bundle. SOOOOOO..... at York, I think by the Pumpkin Funnel cake stand I will throw all the wheels and couplers up in the air. I bet no one will want them. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53153	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Investment advice

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > So, learn something new, and have it forever! > Learn to fix your trains...buy a repair manual. Buy a few cheap kits and > built something, or chop 'em up and stick 'em back together in > kit-bashing. Or do what I did late in my 40 year career, go back to school. I started taking a bunch of computer classes in the evenings at the local community college and one day the computer department chair asked me if I would like to teach a class? Filled out some forms, took a class on teaching at the CC level and after I retired, that's my only commitment to "work" other than the projects I want to work on. I have more stuff to do now than when I was doing the 9 to 5. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53154	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: My Recent American Models service

I have resigned myself to doing my own repair work where AM is concerned. All I expect from them is parts, and sometimes that support is not easy to get.   Something to watch for on the larger 3 axle locos from AM. I ended up removing the traction tires in order to get good track contact. Unless your trackwork is flawless the negotiation of switches and humps and dips will lead to the center wheel lifting the contact wheels at either end of the truck. I also tried removing the spring from the center axle, and on some locos ended up removing the traction band and the spring.   Your mileage may vary... --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Mike Lenssen <valiantmike72@...> wrote: From: Mike Lenssen <valiantmike72@...> Subject: [S-Trains] My Recent American Models service To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 12:57 PM I thought I would share my recent experience with Ron at American Models.   I recently purchased two engines from him, an E8 and an SD60, both AC Hi-rail without sound.  Upon arrival I gave them both a test run.  After 2 minutes of running, I smelled something burning in the E8 and noticed one of the fans had fallen into the shell.  Upon removing the shell, I found that something had burned out on the reversing unit and melted the shell.  The SD60 ran fine, but the shell had a large crack running up the end of the long hood.   After an email to Ron, he said to send the E8 back, but that he did not have any more of the SD60 that I ordered so I could either keep it or send it back for a refund.  I decided to keep the SD60 and try to fix the crack (but I am begining to wonder if it really was the last one, as it is still listed as available on the website).  They replaced the reverse unit in the E8 and sent it back to me.   I gave it a test run.  Again after one minute, it started to get red hot (luckily I removed the shell first).  I emailed Ron again, and told him the problem.  His response was that it ran fine when it left AM, so I would need to fiqure out what was going on.  It was now my problem and not his.   There were a couple more less than polite email exchanges from Ron about the problem, but no solution.  I like American Model's products and think that my problems are not typical of their products, but the customer service is non-existant, and some times down right rude.   I think I have purchased my last AM product and will stick with S-Helper from now on.    I did eventually figure out that the electrical pickup wiper on the front truck was causing a short in the E8.  I simply removed it and it now runs fine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53155	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Investment advice

----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone So, learn something new, and have it forever! Learn to fix your trains.... . . . . Buy a few cheap kits and built something, . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Or read Stumpy's column in the just-out S Gaugian as a starting point, and learn to build a (better) layout, and get at it. This promises to be be a very good series of columns, and while the introduction says it's only going to run a few issues, Gustave Eiffel's tower was only intended to be temporary too. We'll wait and see - and hope the wisdom pouring out from "Appalachian Ahia" doesn't run out too soon. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53156	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Train Paper and Memorabilia Group

Mike; Your group sounds like fun. I have a lot of interesting paper and catalog items pertaining to Lionel and American Flyer trains and I believe I can contribute something as well. I can`t wait until I become a member. Yours Truly Michael J. Phillips boxcarmike464@... **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53157	From: John	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: ROTARY COAL DUMPER

Thanks for the info Mike !! I talked to the seller and told him that $425 was WAY too high for what he was offering, I checked the Lionel catalog and you can get their rotary dumper with a coal loader all in one that is remote controlled for $600. He wrote back and agreed it was priced too high and would probably sell it for somewhere around $250 if no one bids on it. Still kind of a high for what little you get! John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: ROTARY COAL DUMPER > Came across this on E-Bay Item # 350173750359 Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53158	From: John	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Martins Ferry

I was at the library the other day looking for information about Ohio / Pennsylvania coal trains and the territory. I ran across a video that was called Appalachia Coal Trains and reserved it. After watching it I realized this was the video I was looking for as it showed a model railroad modeled after the area, HO I believe. When I went to put the video back in it's case, low and behold there was Stumpy hiding inside.... The video was from the Library in Martins Ferry, Ohio. Wow... That guy just happens to make it clear up here in Maumee, Ohio,,,,, Who would have thought that would have happened!! He must have known I was looking for a video like that! (big grin or spooky) John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53159	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: ROTARY COAL DUMPER

Thought someone would need/want the info...Mike In a message dated 3/6/2009 6:18:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, beebear@... writes: Thanks for the info Mike !! I talked to the seller and told him that $425 was WAY too high for what he was offering, I checked the Lionel catalog and you can get their rotary dumper with a coal loader all in one that is remote controlled for $600. He wrote back and agreed it was priced too high and would probably sell it for somewhere around $250 if no one bids on it. Still kind of a high for what little you get! John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > To: <_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: ROTARY COAL DUMPER > Came across this on E-Bay Item # 350173750359 Mike **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53160	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Martins Ferry

THIS IS A TOTAL FABRICATION! I have not been able to fit into a video case for many years! Someone much thinner than myself was obviously pretending to be me. I will check with the library and attempt to clear up this case of Identity Theft! Beware...someone out there is pretending to be me...accept no sustitutions! Stumpy Stone...the REAL Stumpy Stone...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53161	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels

Here are pictures of the wheels I am asking about. The question is: (has anyone installed these on an original Gilbert steamer, and if so were you pleased with the result.) I am considering trying it, but since the wheels are 16 bucks a pair I am a little hesitant. http://www.mwkiner.com/af/ampacific.htm -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Kiner Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Wheels I am talking about the locomotive drive wheels. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wheels Try S-Helper Gilbert AF compatible replacement wheels. I use them on ACG AF operating cars, passenger cars, and tenders. They look alot better, maintain connections with the rails very well, and noticeable improve the operation of steamers with tenders that don't have any pick-up feet (e.g. Royal Blue 350). Best part is they just got a boatload of them in. Also without any plastic wheels your tracks and wheels don't need to be cleaned as often. I also use their rolling stock replacement wheels on ACG AF tank cars, box cars, etc. They roll better too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53162	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Martins Ferry

Dust it for his prints, and call CSI in on the case. I think we have him now! Your going down boy.... Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Martins Ferry > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 5:27 AM > THIS IS A TOTAL FABRICATION! I have not been able to fit > into a video case for many years! Someone much thinner than > myself was obviously pretending to be me. I will check with > the library and attempt to clear up this case of Identity > Theft! > Beware...someone out there is pretending to be me...accept > no sustitutions! > Stumpy Stone...the REAL Stumpy Stone...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53163	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Tunnel for #300 dealer display

I have a #300 dealer display that my dad bought in 1954. I'm starting to restore it and the tunnel went missing long ago. It fits on the corner and was made of plywood with window screen covered with what was probably asbestos plaster at the time. Does anyone have a good photo of the tunnel with some rough dimensions? I'd like to build one to complete the display. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53164	From: hhisgauger	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Building a Layout

Any S Gaugers around Hilton Head, SC?...send me note as I am building a Hi Rail layout...could you some help and advise!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53165	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Wheels

----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner Here are pictures of the wheels I am asking about. > > > > > > > > Right, that's what most of us thought you meant. < < < < < < < < The question is: "has anyone installed these on an original Gilbert steamer. . . . . " > > > > > > > > The first step in analyzing this question is to determine if the axles are of the same diameter. If yes, then I'd say hack away at it, it ought to work. If they're not of the same diameter, you have a much more complicated job on your hands. Nothing's impossible, but would the work be worth it, Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53166	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: 971 Southern Pacific Flatcar

I have a question about the Moe and Joe Flatcar... I picked up a group of flyer cars at an auction today..included in the group was a 971 flatcar... It is tuscan painted over black plastic... I checked the Greenberg guide and there is a note regarding painted cars .. How can I tell if this is a high priced car or a normal car ? Thx for your help Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53167	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53168	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: 971 Southern Pacific Flatcar

Mike, According to what I am looking at in the David Doyle book, painted or molded tuscan colored plastic are of equal value. The Greenburg guide does show tuscan painted over black plastic to be the more valuable, showing only an excellant price at $750.00. You may have a keeper there. Hope this helps. Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mikejoan45@... Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 23:47:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 971 Southern Pacific Flatcar I have a question about the Moe and Joe Flatcar... I picked up a group of flyer cars at an auction today..included in the group was a 971 flatcar... It is tuscan painted over black plastic... I checked the Greenberg guide and there is a note regarding painted cars .. How can I tell if this is a high priced car or a normal car ? Thx for your help Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53169	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Layout update

http://www.gclaser.com/ ballpark lights, all eight of the towers are up and working. I have not posted pictures yet. But from the above website I got a few things ordered. In the S link, I got a 17" long produce loading dock that will fit perfect between the piggy back unloader spur and the track with the milk stand. A tool shed and a storage shed for the sawmill, baggage and barrel loader area. I found a neat two story office for that area also from another company. Gclaser also has S pallets, wood loads and crates that I will get later. Hugo and Che have sent back the O gauge grandstands for the ballpark for exchange for S that they carry. All telegraph poles are up. The Plasticville AF switchtower will bear the name of Tuftsville on it for the late Robert Tufts as he signed my TCA application and was one of the premier authority on AF products. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53170	From: G C	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Layout update

Mike, that stand is beautiful and the price is great. I have been collecting images of fruit crate labels from the Dover book adds. If you want I can send you some of them as images. They would be perfect glued onto small blocks of wood as fruit crates. All you have to do is size them on the computer. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53171	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: 971 Southern Pacific Flatcar Price Guide fallacy

Wow! Price Guides--Dontcha love 'em! Keep a few things in mind here: For a piece to be in excellent condition, it has to be relatively UNTOUCHED! Maybe with a little crud on the wheel treads. For the lumber car, it has to have both figures, original lumber, the control button, and the actuator third rail, all in pretty much pristine condition, and the original box would help. Now, the next task is to find someone willing to pay $750 for it (or find the guy who did). Of course, that's what the price guides do best--keep prices inflated, based on the "editor"'s biases. The compounding error is the person who BUYS right up to that price. Unfortunately, human nature wants us to buy and sell according to the highest price in the book, regardless of condition. This is where many make their mistakes. Steve ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsMx6vxxykaoz8Kp9Cv1wEK52EROChcfqGC5baDRvrg3KzxkLESkfe/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53172	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Layout update

Gene, That would be very kind of you to do. No rush. I appreciate it. I do have a 16 oz fruit label framed for Beaver Cherries. Beaver is a favorite animal of ours as well as the Loon. Thanks for the feed back on the items from Gclaser. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; S Trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; Cookie Flannery ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Layout update Mike, that stand is beautiful and the price is great. I have been collecting images of fruit crate labels from the Dover book adds. If you want I can send you some of them as images. They would be perfect glued onto small blocks of wood as fruit crates. All you have to do is size them on the computer. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53173	From: michael prell	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Martins Ferry

As with the HighLander, There can be only ONE! And isn't One enough for everybody?:>) Mike from Syracuse   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 3/7/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Martins Ferry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 9:38 AM Dust it for his prints, and call CSI in on the case. I think we have him now! Your going down boy.... Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Martins Ferry > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 5:27 AM > THIS IS A TOTAL FABRICATION! I have not been able to fit > into a video case for many years! Someone much thinner than > myself was obviously pretending to be me. I will check with > the library and attempt to clear up this case of Identity > Theft! > Beware...someone out there is pretending to be me...accept > no sustitutions! > Stumpy Stone...the REAL Stumpy Stone...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53174	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: More new photos

I replaced the photo of the almost completed boxcar gift box with a completed one. I have also added a photo of the Kringle Kandy Co candy gondola. The next project may take a while, but it should be worth it. The phots are in the file of Wayne's Christmas cars, or something like that. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53175	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53176	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: AM switcher, part two

Oops, spoke too soon. Took another look and one handrail is broken already. Tom H [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53177	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: AM Baldwin Switcher

Someone mentioned recently that AM's Baldwin switchers have hand rails that always break. I won't deny this, but I just unpacked a new one and a- they're not broken yet, and b- there are enclosed, without having requested them, brass/bronze(?) replacements. Those metal handrails are available separately from AM for retro-fit. Tom Hawley -- AM dealer (train shows only) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53178	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: AM Baldwin Switcher

I am going to have to have a couple sets of those metal handrails. Those ABS plastic ones are a pain. The worst thing you can do is put one back in the box, especially if you have one of the old soft foam boxes. The newer polystyrene bead foam boxes are easier on the handrails, especially if you wedge a piece of material in the right place in front of the light and at the top of the cab. This keeps it from sliding back and forth and bending the ABS back. They are only good for about 3 or 4 mild deflections and they are toast. Mark -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AM Baldwin Switcher Someone mentioned recently that AM's Baldwin switchers have hand rails that always break. I won't deny this, but I just unpacked a new one and a- they're not broken yet, and b- there are enclosed, without having requested them, brass/bronze(?) replacements. Those metal handrails are available separately from AM for retro-fit. Tom Hawley -- AM dealer (train shows only) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53179	From: verdescape20	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jim_marski" <jim_marski@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Anyone aware of any S Gauge displays or shops in the San Diego are? > > Thanks, > Jim > http://geocities.com/sdsgaugers/ this is the website of a new group of guys who have formed a s gauge club. we meet monthly and have a new layout which is still being planned and constructed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53180	From: innotron	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

Hi Jim, There is only one source of new S Gauge in San Diego. It is "Frank The Train Man" located at 4233 Park Blvd (619) 295-1611. It shares space with an antique automobile museum. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: verdescape20 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge in San Diego area --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jim_marski" <jim_marski@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Anyone aware of any S Gauge displays or shops in the San Diego are? > > Thanks, > Jim > http://geocities.com/sdsgaugers/ this is the website of a new group of guys who have formed a s gauge club. we meet monthly and have a new layout which is still being planned and constructed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 3/7/09 6:43 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53181	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Baseball towers

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/2123637577/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc I got all eight baseball towers working now, as the pictures are not bad. Several shots show how the Citgo sign do many different things like in Boston, as it is two sided. You get one sign only. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53182	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Visit a train-themed outlet mall

Thought I would forward this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- Here in north central Ohio we have had an outlet mall at Burbank (halfway between Cleveland and Mansfield on I-71) for decades. Last fall I did a double-take as I drove by and thought I saw a train of narrow-gauge freight cars in the parking lot! Yesterday I was returning from our TCA Great Lakes Division meet and was able to check it out more thoroughly. The mall has been renamed "Lodi Station" and has adopted a railroading theme throughout. A 15" gauge railroad circles the parking lots and runs through three of the mall's outdoor concourses. During the winter months it's a 20-minute ride that begins and ends at the food court; in warm weather shoppers can ride the trains to and from the parking lots and from one concourse to another. There are two ornately-decorated old-time 4-4-0 locomotives. They're powered by internal-combustion engines in their tenders, but they make chuffing and whistle sound effects, and the load of real firewood on the tender is a nice touch. Each engine pulls 3-4 passenger cars that can hold up to 16 adult passengers apiece. Eight freight cars are parked on a siding that is readily visible from I-71, but apparently these aren't operated. There's a switchyard and a turntable behind the mall, but according to our engineer the turntable has never been used. Mall employees wear railroad-style bib overalls and engineer's caps. Attendants at the information desk wear conductor uniforms. There are lots of vintage railroad photos adorning the walls. Come visit it when you're in the Cleveland / Akron area. http://www.lodioutlets.net/about.aspx?q=10078&c=5 Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53183	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm

I tried to get in, but can't seem to get a chat page. It keeps going to my register/login page. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53184	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Fw: AF

A report on a TCA Show and a mall. Mike Mike: Yesterday I drove to Cleveland for a TCA Great Lakes Division meet, the first time I've been in five years. My, but we have a lot of S gauge in northern Ohio. There were almost more Gilbert AF tables than Lionel tables. The operating layout was by Cuyahoga Valley S gauge club. They kept three AF trains running constantly during the 4 hours I was there. One guy had three adjacent tables loaded with postwar Gilbert and his signs announced a "FLYER LIQUIDATION". I got the impression that some folks really needed to sell at any price and were very willing to negotiate. On the way home I discovered that an outlet mall I've visited often before, recently installed a working train. You will read about that on TTML shortly. Might be worth a visit when you come to the great state of Ohio to watch THE TRIBE this summer. JL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53185	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: American Models handrails

I just installed the windows and handrails on a pair of GP-35s for a customer (this is not for a rank beginner)and they were made of a flexible plastic. Is this a new modification to AM hood units? There were some problems doing this, the holes were not all completely open in the shell, and some were slightly out of position so the railing peg and hole didn't line up. Fortunately, the flexible railing material allowed slight stretching to make them work. I take it from the postings that the Baldwins came with a non-flexible handrail material? Stumpy Stone...the temperatures are dropping again here

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53186	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures

From the owner of Miller Engineering where I got the Citgo signs. Again, the ballpark is not done, as the cornfield will be in by April, S grandstands are coming and a backstop still needs to be made. And the curse of the black cat, (Cubs 1969) will be on the field too. More decals for the wall will be coming too. And then Hugo's Basement Bargain Outlet for left over baseball stadium stuff will begin. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: milleren@... To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Better baseball pictures Hi Mike, You images are really much better now, great job! I really love that model! I'd like to include some of theme for a section we are doing of our website to show case our customers work. Would that be OK? Thanks, Chris Miller Engineering --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Fw: Better baseball pictures To: milleren@... Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:55 PM These are much better shots as the Citgo signs is much better with the various stages. I will try again, as the blurriness is gone. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Barry Jamison ; Bill Trappen ; Bill Winans ; Bill Zide ; Carl Tuveson ; Cookie Flannery ; Don ; Don Brimmer ; Don Thompson ; Doug Peck ; Evergreen Scale Models ; gerald r dobbs ; Gordon Wilson ; Grant Bishop ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; JFrederick Roberts ; Jim Hannawald ; John Warren ; Joseph Haenn ; Joseph Lechner ; Ken Keki ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin ; Michael Rapp ; Mike Strickland ; nick mescher ; Paul Olekson ; Paul Ziembicki ; Peter Gagnon ; Ralph Loveless ; Rance and Bente ; Rick Evans ; STEPHEN EASTMAN ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Thiususer UnknownPerson ; Thomas Bianculli ; Thomas Stoltz Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Better baseball pictures Allot of you gave me advice and I finally got this down allot better. still working on it, but this is real good now. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53187	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: American Models handrails

I am interested in knowing about the potential for wire handrails on other locos too. I am considering buying an undecorated GP-35, and painting it in the SF merger scheme. One of the roadblocks right now is the need to find or make wire handrails. I have a U25 from AM and it has very nice wire railings. This also keeps me from getting an RS3, as Desplaines is out of stock on RS3 railings. I was considering setting up to make some for my S-12, now that won't be necessary and I am GLAD. From their web site: DPS 102A GP-35 Handrail and Stanchions Still Coming! No time soon DPS 115A Alco RS3 Handrail and Stanchions $27.00 Sold out -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 4:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Models handrails I just installed the windows and handrails on a pair of GP-35s for a customer (this is not for a rank beginner)and they were made of a flexible plastic. Is this a new modification to AM hood units? There were some problems doing this, the holes were not all completely open in the shell, and some were slightly out of position so the railing peg and hole didn't line up. Fortunately, the flexible railing material allowed slight stretching to make them work. I take it from the postings that the Baldwins came with a non-flexible handrail material? Stumpy Stone...the temperatures are dropping again here [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53188	From: Glenn	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers

Hey Mike, This has been a lot of work, a lot of good stories and it looks great. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 22:01 Subject: [S-Trains] Baseball towers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/2123637577/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc I got all eight baseball towers working now, as the pictures are not bad. Several shots show how the Citgo sign do many different things like in Boston, as it is two sided. You get one sign only. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53189	From: Glenn	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: FLORIDA SOUTHERN

This passenger car is being restored by a conservative Mennonite farmer in Akron, PA. You can see some of the luxury of 100 years ago this car even had a form of air conditioning. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/FLORIDASOUTHERNPASSENGER.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53190	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm

Carlton,   You must login every time to join the chat. It keeps spammers off the group.   Nick kulp --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> wrote: From: Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/8/2009, 8:00 pm To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:50 PM       I tried to get in, but can't seem to get a chat page. It keeps  going to my register/login page.  Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53191	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: AF

I would like to hear about a TCA  show in the Chicago/Milwaukee area before it happens.  So I can go there.  Any Train Collectors  of America ( or whatever TCA stands for) member could be a nice person and place a notice on S-trains at yahoo groups. I would appreciate it.Mike Rosz half way between the two cities thanks you.    ok maybe 55/45 but close to half way. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: AF To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:05 PM A report on a TCA Show and a mall. Mike Mike: Yesterday I drove to Cleveland for a TCA Great Lakes Division meet, the first time I've been in five years. My, but we have a lot of S gauge in northern Ohio. There were almost more Gilbert AF tables than Lionel tables. The operating layout was by Cuyahoga Valley S gauge club. They kept three AF trains running constantly during the 4 hours I was there. One guy had three adjacent tables loaded with postwar Gilbert and his signs announced a "FLYER LIQUIDATION" . I got the impression that some folks really needed to sell at any price and were very willing to negotiate. On the way home I discovered that an outlet mall I've visited often before, recently installed a working train. You will read about that on TTML shortly. Might be worth a visit when you come to the great state of Ohio to watch THE TRIBE this summer. JL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53192	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers

Wow, very cool indeed!!! Roy Inman on 3/8/09 9:01 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/2123637577/v > iew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc > > I got all eight baseball towers working now, as the pictures are not bad. > > Several shots show how the Citgo sign do many different things like in Boston, > as it is two sided. You get one sign only. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53193	From: race944t	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: 342 SIT

I have recently acquired a 342 SIT. It is a 1947 version, thick shank coupler with "American Flyer Lines" on the tender with the "Nickel Plate Road" is without the white box around it. The smoke unit has the original bellows. Now that I have identifed it, I was wondering if this version had a light in the tender? I know the later versions have one, but I don't see one in this unit, nor do I see a place where one could even be mounted. The SIT unit takes up just about all the room in the tender. The funny thing is that it has the lens on the rear of the tender like it should have a light. Is the lens just for looks? The tender shell is the correct version because it has the hole for the filler neck and the cutout for the smoke tube. All that appears original and not "added". Any help is appreciated. "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53194	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: TCA Meets Website

You can find all of the TCA meets and events at this web page: http://www.tcamembers.org/newsandevents/meets.htm BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53195	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: weak motor?

You say the mechanism works. so let us start with the next logical thing. wiring. could a wire be grounding out? How about not having a good connection?  (a screw holding a wire down is not tight.) --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> wrote: From: Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] weak motor? To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 11:20 PM Hi, I have a 4-6-4 (326) that runs pretty well backwards, but in the forward direction, the motor does not have enough power to move the engine alone. The mechanism seems to move freely so this seems pretty odd to me. (I went into digital electronics in collage and skipped the power and motor courses.) Anyone have an idea on where the problem might be? Regards, Keith Thompson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53196	From: race944t	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: 22034 transformer

OK, I know I'm going to be able to permanently retire because this is such a rare transformer. :-) All my books; Doyle, TM, and Greenberg big book and Greenberg price guide list this transformer as a 110W transformer. Mine clearly says "OUTPUT: 16 VOLTS A.C. 50 WATTS" This is the "Gilbert No. 22034 American Flyer" version not the "Gilbert - All Aboard" version. Does anyone know if this is a rare version I can sell for a gazillion dollars? "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53197	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: AF

Hi Mike, I like that sentiment. I do what I can to keep up on the shows near me here in the Sunny South using the following site: http://www.trains.com/trc/community/events/ It seems to be pretty good as long as the show promoters do their job. I keep it in the 'Links' bar of my browser. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: AF I would like to hear about a TCA show in the Chicago/Milwaukee area before it happens. So I can go there. Any Train Collectors of America ( or whatever TCA stands for) member could be a nice person and place a notice on S-trains at yahoo groups. I would appreciate it.Mike Rosz half way between the two cities thanks you. ok maybe 55/45 but close to half way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53198	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: TCA Meets Website

As best as I recall, not all Train Collectors Association (TCA) meets are open to the public. Those that are usually open to the membership an hour or so prior to admitting the general public. You would have to contact each meet's POC to find out, or go as a member's guest. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] TCA Meets Website You can find all of the TCA meets and events at this web page: http://www.tcamembers.org/newsandevents/meets.htm BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53199	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: TCA Meets

hi all, there is a TCA meet this sunday open to the public at the sheardon Inn in cranbery PA. from 10 am to 3 pm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The LANIERs" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 2:37:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA Meets Website As best as I recall, not all Train Collectors Association (TCA) meets are open to the public. Those that are usually open to the membership an hour or so prior to admitting the general public. You would have to contact each meet's POC to find out, or go as a member's guest. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] TCA Meets Website You can find all of the TCA meets and events at this web page: http://www.tcamembers.org/newsandevents/meets.htm BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53200	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Opinion on value

I had my 321 SIT listed on ebay last week and it did not meet the reserve. I would like to have opions from this group relative to the value of this engine. The auction was 190290471768 do an ebay search to see the pictures. Thanks, MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53201	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Fw: Repair of engine

Verdict on the AM engine of mine. The wheel situation is my doing as I took the wheels out to clean, hoping that might get it, but I did not realize they had to go in a certain way. The gear box I have no idea why that would be broken. Oh well, just another 40 dollars in train land. Not sure if it is even worth fixing, but what the heck. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Bashista" <americanmodels@...> To: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: Repair of engine > Mike the engine has a broken gear box connector (now needs new gear box) > and the wheels were reversed so the insulating side of wheelset was > shorting out. This is an older engine made at least 7 years ago, luckily > we still have the parts to repair. > on the rail. (Insulated side of wheelset must be on the pick up spring > side). > > So the charge with return postage is $48.00 Check received of $8 so > need $40 dollars. > > Please comment > Best regards, Ron B

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53202	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers

Thanks Glenn, as it looks like opening day on your birthday is still on track. Box seats are 25, but S list members, 3 box seats for 100. Hugo and Che like those mini plans best. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Baseball towers Hey Mike, This has been a lot of work, a lot of good stories and it looks great. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 22:01 Subject: [S-Trains] Baseball towers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/2123637577/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc I got all eight baseball towers working now, as the pictures are not bad. Several shots show how the Citgo sign do many different things like in Boston, as it is two sided. You get one sign only. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53203	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Baseball towers

Thanks Roy, as it aint done yet. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baseball towers Wow, very cool indeed!!! Roy Inman on 3/8/09 9:01 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/2123637577/v > iew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=201&count=20&dir=asc > > I got all eight baseball towers working now, as the pictures are not bad. > > Several shots show how the Citgo sign do many different things like in Boston, > as it is two sided. You get one sign only. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53204	From: Grant	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Reverse Unit

Hi I've been working on my 302 that I bought at a show a while back that has never moved but looks great!! Took the motor apart and cleaned it up and it works fine when I power it up directly but not when I put it on the track Next I replaced the fingerboards and lubricated it. Moves a little now mostly backwards. I'm at a loss at what to try next Thanks! Grant

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53205	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer

Bill, Just be like some of the other ebayers, make something up, telling the world how rare it is and have a price for the gazillion dollars. You never know, someone might buy it. LOL I hope not. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 22034 transformer OK, I know I'm going to be able to permanently retire because this is such a rare transformer. :-) All my books; Doyle, TM, and Greenberg big book and Greenberg price guide list this transformer as a 110W transformer. Mine clearly says "OUTPUT: 16 VOLTS A.C. 50 WATTS" This is the "Gilbert No. 22034 American Flyer" version not the "Gilbert - All Aboard" version. Does anyone know if this is a rare version I can sell for a gazillion dollars? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53206	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer

Bill, Sorry. The 120 V is the input Voltage & the 16 volts is the Secondary voltage. Mike PS: If you do the math on the 110Watts with a 120V input you will see In a message dated 3/9/2009 11:01:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, race944t@... writes: OK, I know I'm going to be able to permanently retire because this is such a rare transformer. :-) All my books; Doyle, TM, and Greenberg big book and Greenberg price guide list this transformer as a 110W transformer. Mine clearly says "OUTPUT: 16 VOLTS A.C. 50 WATTS" This is the "Gilbert No. 22034 American Flyer" version not the "Gilbert - All Aboard" version. Does anyone know if this is a rare version I can sell for a gazillion dollars? "Banker" Bill Clark **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53207	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Pine Creek Rail Trail, PA

Many of you know that I am into bike riding on the C&O Canal which has a great history of being build along the Potomac River from Washington, DC to Cumberland, MD, as it was to go to Ohio. But it did not make it for many reasons. The canal was in constant battle with the B&O RR for land rights to build, ie Point of Rocks, where I had a near fatal bike accident in 2007, due to a pot hole and battle for freight, as the canal did not have passenger service. Anyway, I am doing a bike ride on the Pine Creek Rail Trail in upper PA as this is a rail line that was started in 1883 to service the sawmills. In time it continue to grow, the rail line with more freight and passenger service. It finally shut down in 1988. I got a email from Ken Keki who lives in Canada and he told the town of Wellsboro, PA where we are staying as it is close to the north end of the trail has a train shop! And sure of enough, this town of population 3,328 (census 2000) has a train shoppe!!!! Just amazing that they have a shop and that someone from Canadian is telling me about train shoppes in this area, like Williamsport, etc. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53208	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Stupid question

In reference to the engine repair with AM, he states a gear box is broken. I am not train smart in technical areas, like this. What is the gear box and how could it got broken, when I never ran the engine. I will pay for the repair, but just curious, as I see the two black pieces of plastic with the balls at the end with spikes on it to fit into a plastic fitting, no silly jokes on that line. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53209	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > I had my 321 SIT listed on ebay last week and it did not meet the reserve. I would like to have opions from this group relative to the value of this engine. > > The auction was 190290471768 do an ebay search to see the pictures. > > Thanks, > > MK > A clean working Hudson should bring you $150 - $200 on eBay. I would suggest trying to offer it with no reserve, because buyers lose interest if they are never actually winning. Once a bidder thinks it's theirs, they keep bidding to try to keep it. Good luck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53210	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer

I need a transformer with 96 volts. I think Don Thompson is still laughing at me. LOL If you missed that email, sorry, it was a dozy. I told you I knew nothing. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 22034 transformer Bill, Sorry. The 120 V is the input Voltage & the 16 volts is the Secondary voltage. Mike PS: If you do the math on the 110Watts with a 120V input you will see In a message dated 3/9/2009 11:01:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, race944t@... writes: OK, I know I'm going to be able to permanently retire because this is such a rare transformer. :-) All my books; Doyle, TM, and Greenberg big book and Greenberg price guide list this transformer as a 110W transformer. Mine clearly says "OUTPUT: 16 VOLTS A.C. 50 WATTS" This is the "Gilbert No. 22034 American Flyer" version not the "Gilbert - All Aboard" version. Does anyone know if this is a rare version I can sell for a gazillion dollars? "Banker" Bill Clark **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53211	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit

Grant, Put something under the loco chassis to hold the drive up, not making contact with a surface. Next, apply power to the tender, then with a toothpick apply slight pressure to the fingers riding against the drum. If with pressure you get power, the problem is the fingers not making tight contact to the drum. From there it is a matter of slightly bending the fingers to make contact. I use two toothpicks to adjust the fingers in place. Just be careful, they are delicate. As an alternative bend the tabs holding the fingers in place, take them loose and bend the fingers down slightly, and re-install. Hope this helps, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: gwbishop@... Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:50:06 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Unit Hi I've been working on my 302 that I bought at a show a while back that has never moved but looks great!! Took the motor apart and cleaned it up and it works fine when I power it up directly but not when I put it on the track Next I replaced the fingerboards and lubricated it. Moves a little now mostly backwards. I'm at a loss at what to try next Thanks! Grant _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53212	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value

MK, Not knowing what your reserve was, I will offer my opinion. One thing not going for you is the number of 321's and 322's that have been offered on Ebay lately. I have never done it but somehow you can look at past sales for 321's, say in the last 3 months. This will give you an idea of what the market will bear on this unit. Looking at the pictures of your unit and condition, my guess would be in the $110.00 to $150.00 range To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: robbe_wan@... Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:25:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Opinion on value I had my 321 SIT listed on ebay last week and it did not meet the reserve. I would like to have opions from this group relative to the value of this engine. The auction was 190290471768 do an ebay search to see the pictures. Thanks, MK _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53213	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit

NEVER lubricate an AF reverse unit. Disassemble, clean with Radio Shack tuner cleaner (it's non-flammable, and evaporates----both important), make sure fingers each have an inward bend so they contact the drum well, and reassemble. This should solve any e-unit problem, other than pawl adjustment (that's addressed in one of our website AF Repair Clinics). <<Next I replaced the fingerboards and lubricated it.>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53214	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value

Thanks, I had the reserve at 129.00 so sounds like I was not that far off. I will do a search on completed 321 auctions. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:02 PM To: s-trains Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Opinion on value MK, Not knowing what your reserve was, I will offer my opinion. One thing not going for you is the number of 321's and 322's that have been offered on Ebay lately. I have never done it but somehow you can look at past sales for 321's, say in the last 3 months. This will give you an idea of what the market will bear on this unit. Looking at the pictures of your unit and condition, my guess would be in the $110.00 to $150.00 range To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: robbe_wan@... Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:25:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Opinion on value I had my 321 SIT listed on ebay last week and it did not meet the reserve. I would like to have opions from this group relative to the value of this engine. The auction was 190290471768 do an ebay search to see the pictures. Thanks, MK _________________________________________________________________ Windows LiveT Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Bl og-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53215	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value

If you go too SELL & click it on You will see a box for finding the value of items sold..Only 1 sold for $106.00 322 's 61 @ an average of $60. Mike In a message dated 3/9/2009 6:31:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mo2337@... writes: MK, Not knowing what your reserve was, I will offer my opinion. One thing not going for you is the number of 321's and 322's that have been offered on Ebay lately. I have never done it but somehow you can look at past sales for 321's, say in the last 3 months. This will give you an idea of what the market will bear on this unit. Looking at the pictures of your unit and condition, my guess would be in the $110.00 to $150.00 range To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: robbe_wan@... Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:25:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Opinion on value I had my 321 SIT listed on ebay last week and it did not meet the reserve. I would like to have opions from this group relative to the value of this engine. The auction was 190290471768 do an ebay search to see the pictures. Thanks, MK _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns !503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53216	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer

Bill, As you know the 22034 came marked as Gilbert or with the All Aboard logo. The 22034 was never cataloged for separate sale as a train item, and is most often found with the All Aboard sets. Both versions were used in the sets.That's not to say that it could not have been included in some of the department, special or premium sets that were thrown together. However, all the ones i have seen have been the 50w variety. you might have something if you had a 110w version. Recently, there was one on ebay (item# 270347157473). It was marked Gilbert and 50w. Starting bid $18.00. There were no takers. Bob Graves has a picture on page 3 of his transformer section of another that appears similar to your description. Although the caption reads 110w, it's marked 50w on the case. Also check out the All Aboard site on trainweb, there are pictures of both label versions and they are both 50w. -Clay Buckage --- On Mon, 3/9/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 22034 transformer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:45 PM OK, I know I'm going to be able to permanently retire because this is such a rare transformer. :-) All my books; Doyle, TM, and Greenberg big book and Greenberg price guide list this transformer as a 110W transformer. Mine clearly says "OUTPUT: 16 VOLTS A.C. 50 WATTS" This is the "Gilbert No. 22034 American Flyer" version not the "Gilbert - All Aboard" version. Does anyone know if this is a rare version I can sell for a gazillion dollars? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53217	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Vocabulary Assistance, Please!

Correct----"bulkheads". We defiitely have the springs and doors......I THINK we still have the pins......and we used to have complete bulkhead/door assemblies, but I'm not sure if I still have any left. It's a part we could pretty easily have done however......I'll put it on the TO DO List ! We have a LOT of stamped metal parts underway right now. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Help! > What is the correct name of the piece of sheet metal that slides into the heavyweight shells to > hold the doors upright? It has little "ears" for the door pins to slip into. Anyone know of a > source for this part? I've found replacement doors listed by a couple parts dealers, but so far > have not found a supplier for the holder (bulkhead, maybe?) , the pins, or the springs. Could > be I just don't know the correct name to enter into the search boxes. > Thanks, > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53218	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value - Reserve or not

Hi Mark, Give some thought to the reserve question. Some folks are just not interested in bothering when they cannot be sure that their bid will matter. A low starting price and a reserve can get some folks to look at an auction, but, will drive some people away. When I use a reserve, I always put the amount into the text so people know where they stand. Once people start bidding with a real chance to win, it is more and more likely that they will bid to defend their position. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Kiner Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Opinion on value Thanks, I had the reserve at 129.00 so sounds like I was not that far off. I will do a search on completed 321 auctions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53220	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value - Reserve or not

Thanks, that sounds logical. I had the reserve at 129.00 and would not have minded putting that in the text. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Opinion on value - Reserve or not Hi Mark, Give some thought to the reserve question. Some folks are just not interested in bothering when they cannot be sure that their bid will matter. A low starting price and a reserve can get some folks to look at an auction, but, will drive some people away. When I use a reserve, I always put the amount into the text so people know where they stand. Once people start bidding with a real chance to win, it is more and more likely that they will bid to defend their position. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Mark Kiner Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Opinion on value Thanks, I had the reserve at 129.00 so sounds like I was not that far off. I will do a search on completed 321 auctions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53221	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Vocabulary Assistance, Please!

Doug- Sounds like I need to get another PortLines order together!  Thanks for the help. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 8:24:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Vocabulary Assistance, Please! Correct----"bulkheads". We defiitely have the springs and doors......I THINK we still have the pins......and we used to have complete bulkhead/door assemblies, but I'm not sure if I still have any left. It's a part we could pretty easily have done however......I'll put it on the TO DO List ! We have a LOT of stamped metal parts underway right now. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Help! > What is the correct name of the piece of sheet metal that slides into the heavyweight shells to > hold the doors upright? It has little "ears" for the door pins to slip into. Anyone know of a > source for this part? I've found replacement doors listed by a couple parts dealers, but so far > have not found a supplier for the holder (bulkhead, maybe?) , the pins, or the springs. Could > be I just don't know the correct name to enter into the search boxes. > Thanks, > Jim E. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53222	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: 342 SIT

I don't know that any of the 0-8-0 switchers had a back up light on the tender from the factory. I find no reference to it in any of my Flyer books. That may have been proposed at some point, but perhaps dropped because of the size of the SIT unit. Later, after smoke in boiler, maybe they just never added it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on Gilbert can tell us more. I found in a junk box a severly damaged 343 tender shell that a grain of wheat bulb was installed with what appears to be something like Walthers Goo. There were other glue remains in the inside of the shell as well indicating that perhaps there was a resistor or something at one time to step down the voltage for the tiny light bulb or maybe a directional lighting set up. This was probably by some owner putting his own back up light in the tender as I'm not aware of Gilbert doing anything that way. Stumpy Stone...troller of junk boxes...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53223	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value

From what I've see on eBay, I think you guys are on the right track. List the reserve price so that the bidder has some kind of bench mark to go by. On the other hand, the law of supply and demand is at work here. As Mike said, there have been several Hudsons on, so if there are many of something, the price goes down. However, condition is also a factor. If yours is better, it should bring a higher price. The "Joker in the deck" here is the economy. Folks are a bit more restrained at what they'll spend on a hobby right now. Prices are down across the board and more stuff is appearing for sale at shows and on eBay as people need to raise money. How long this will last is anyone's guess, but if you can be patient and have a really good item, perhaps this is not the time to sell. Stumpy Stone...having lived most of my life in long depressed Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53224	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Collecting in tough times

The "Opinion on value" posts got me thinking again (uh, oh) about the economy and how it relates to the "collecting" hobby. We've seen prices start to decline as large collections have been liquidated recently, we're all getting older and fewer, and as the economy puts the financial squeeze on people, prices go down as an increasing supply chases a declining demand. Bad for those selling. But there's another side to consider. New collectors (and perhaps new people coming into the hobby) may now be able to purchase things beyond reach before. And right now, we need purchasing! One of the best things old FDR did for this nation in the dark times of the Great Depression was to instill the confidence in the American people that it wasn't the end of the world! "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself" he famously said. Last week Circuit City closed its last store, but Target opened 15 new locations! Target is a direct competitor to the business monolith WalMart! Someone knowledgeable in the retail trade doesn't think this sad economy will last forever! And have you seen the new Lionel catalog and the MTH Tinplate catalog? They still figure there are enough collectors out there to buy their products, and at much higher prices! So, if you're a new collector, or just someone who buys old trains to run, you may want to pick up some things, even if only a few at a time. Because eventually this opportunity will end. While collector prices may never again be what they were, they won't be declining forever either. At some point there will be a rebound. Stumpy Stone...the light at the end of the tunnel...IS the end of the tunnel!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53225	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Stumpy,   You are indeed wise beyond your years as evidenced by your sage and pithy advice. I have also noticed the trend of dropping prices and have taken advantage as much as my finances allow. At the recent Allentown Spring Thaw train meet I was able to get some really great deals on some beat up Flyer for ( gasp ) repainting/resurrecting. I liked your idea of looking for stuff to repair/restore/repaint from the junk boxes and despite my creaky back I've become pretty adept at trolling the bargain boxes under the tables....our hobby doesn't have to be expensive to be fun and rewarding. BTW...the light at the end of the tunnel in this part of Jersey is New York...not aleays pretty!   Bob --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Collecting in tough times To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 11:51 AM The "Opinion on value" posts got me thinking again (uh, oh) about the economy and how it relates to the "collecting" hobby. We've seen prices start to decline as large collections have been liquidated recently, we're all getting older and fewer, and as the economy puts the financial squeeze on people, prices go down as an increasing supply chases a declining demand. Bad for those selling. But there's another side to consider. New collectors (and perhaps new people coming into the hobby) may now be able to purchase things beyond reach before. And right now, we need purchasing! One of the best things old FDR did for this nation in the dark times of the Great Depression was to instill the confidence in the American people that it wasn't the end of the world! "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself" he famously said. Last week Circuit City closed its last store, but Target opened 15 new locations! Target is a direct competitor to the business monolith WalMart! Someone knowledgeable in the retail trade doesn't think this sad economy will last forever! And have you seen the new Lionel catalog and the MTH Tinplate catalog? They still figure there are enough collectors out there to buy their products, and at much higher prices! So, if you're a new collector, or just someone who buys old trains to run, you may want to pick up some things, even if only a few at a time. Because eventually this opportunity will end. While collector prices may never again be what they were, they won't be declining forever either. At some point there will be a rebound. Stumpy Stone...the light at the end of the tunnel...IS the end of the tunnel! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53226	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Great post Stumpy! For those of us who have lived long enough to experience the bad times and the good times (most of us I would think) we know that neither lasts. Heck, being a freelance photographer, there is not that much difference between the good economic times and the bad :) Your point is well taken about it being a buyer¹s market right now. I was able to pick up a macro lens I have been wanting to better shoot some model train layouts, and I just found one locally for 1/3rd of what it was just last year. At the most recent local train show I saw some genuine bargains. The dynamics were kind of interesting: Not as many dealer tables, partly because this show draws from several states around the KC Metro, and travel is something people are cutting back on. And partly because I think that some dealers figured there would be fewer buyers. As it turned out, the hall was pretty packed, more than usual in the morning and kinda crowded in the afternoon. So we had a situation wherein the buyers were looking for more stuff to purchase, and yet many of the dealers stayed away. It will be interesting to see what happens at the May show... Roy, filing photos and saving pennies for the next train show, Inman on 3/10/09 10:51 AM, Stumpy Stone at mrstumpy@... wrote: > > > > The "Opinion on value" posts got me thinking again (uh, oh) about the economy > and how it relates to the "collecting" hobby. > We've seen prices start to decline as large collections have been liquidated > recently, we're all getting older and fewer, and as the economy puts the > financial squeeze on people, prices go down as an increasing supply chases a > declining demand. Bad for those selling. > But there's another side to consider. New collectors (and perhaps new people > coming into the hobby) may now be able to purchase things beyond reach before. > And right now, we need purchasing! > One of the best things old FDR did for this nation in the dark times of the > Great Depression was to instill the confidence in the American people that it > wasn't the end of the world! "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself" he > famously said. > Last week Circuit City closed its last store, but Target opened 15 new > locations! Target is a direct competitor to the business monolith WalMart! > Someone knowledgeable in the retail trade doesn't think this sad economy will > last forever! And have you seen the new Lionel catalog and the MTH Tinplate > catalog? They still figure there are enough collectors out there to buy their > products, and at much higher prices! > So, if you're a new collector, or just someone who buys old trains to run, you > may want to pick up some things, even if only a few at a time. Because > eventually this opportunity will end. While collector prices may never again > be what they were, they won't be declining forever either. At some point > there will be a rebound. > Stumpy Stone...the light at the end of the tunnel...IS the end of the tunnel! > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53227	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: >we're all getting older and fewer On a related note, I've been thinking about how all of us seem to be in our 50s and 60s, having been children in the mid-20th century. Are we dinosaurs? Do toy trains have the same magic for our children and grandchildren? Will there be any AF on eBay in the future?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53228	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Stumpy Stone wrote: > Stumpy Stone...the light at the end of the tunnel...IS the end of the > tunnel! I always thought the light at the end of the tunnel was an oncoming train! ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53229	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT

The 343's certainly had rear lights in the tender; have one apart on my bench now. I am also not sure there was room enough for the older 342's with SIT. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:342 SIT I don't know that any of the 0-8-0 switchers had a back up light on the tender from the factory. I find no reference to it in any of my Flyer books. That may have been proposed at some point, but perhaps dropped because of the size of the SIT unit. Later, after smoke in boiler, maybe they just never added it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on Gilbert can tell us more. I found in a junk box a severly damaged 343 tender shell that a grain of wheat bulb was installed with what appears to be something like Walthers Goo. There were other glue remains in the inside of the shell as well indicating that perhaps there was a resistor or something at one time to step down the voltage for the tiny light bulb or maybe a directional lighting set up. This was probably by some owner putting his own back up light in the tender as I'm not aware of Gilbert doing anything that way. Stumpy Stone...troller of junk boxes...Martins Ferry, Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53230	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT

Back in the mid 80's i ran across a 342 SIT, Nickel plate road no box around it,  American Flyer Lines.  I bought it from the original owner and I still have it.  It has a light in the tender.  Just for your info.  It is one of my prized pieces and ironically it was the first time I had been to a swap/junk meet.  Fun with trains!!!   Al Paolozzi --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:342 SIT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:41 AM I don't know that any of the 0-8-0 switchers had a back up light on the tender from the factory. I find no reference to it in any of my Flyer books. That may have been proposed at some point, but perhaps dropped because of the size of the SIT unit. Later, after smoke in boiler, maybe they just never added it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on Gilbert can tell us more. I found in a junk box a severly damaged 343 tender shell that a grain of wheat bulb was installed with what appears to be something like Walthers Goo. There were other glue remains in the inside of the shell as well indicating that perhaps there was a resistor or something at one time to step down the voltage for the tiny light bulb or maybe a directional lighting set up. This was probably by some owner putting his own back up light in the tender as I'm not aware of Gilbert doing anything that way. Stumpy Stone...troller of junk boxes...Martins Ferry, Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53231	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT

OOPS!   I took the 342 SIT out to the workbench and found that my previous post was incorrect.  NO light in the tender and no room for one.  I could have sworn it had a light but I think i  was picturing in my minds eye the 21004, 0-6-0.   Sorry!   Al  havin fun with trains in the desert!! --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:342 SIT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:41 AM I don't know that any of the 0-8-0 switchers had a back up light on the tender from the factory. I find no reference to it in any of my Flyer books. That may have been proposed at some point, but perhaps dropped because of the size of the SIT unit. Later, after smoke in boiler, maybe they just never added it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on Gilbert can tell us more. I found in a junk box a severly damaged 343 tender shell that a grain of wheat bulb was installed with what appears to be something like Walthers Goo. There were other glue remains in the inside of the shell as well indicating that perhaps there was a resistor or something at one time to step down the voltage for the tiny light bulb or maybe a directional lighting set up. This was probably by some owner putting his own back up light in the tender as I'm not aware of Gilbert doing anything that way. Stumpy Stone...troller of junk boxes...Martins Ferry, Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53232	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

I don't know if we're dinosaurs but I certainly feel prehistoric at times. Over the last 10 years I have assembled and given away over 20 Flyer train sets to relatives and friends kids. To a one they have all been enthused and one has even become a pretty good HO scale modeler. I think Thomas The Tank Engine is partly responsible for these kids interest but who cares as long as they stay interested.   Bob   --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Collecting in tough times To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 1:41 PM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote: >we're all getting older and fewer On a related note, I've been thinking about how all of us seem to be in our 50s and 60s, having been children in the mid-20th century. Are we dinosaurs? Do toy trains have the same magic for our children and grandchildren? Will there be any AF on eBay in the future? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53233	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT

The SIT units did not have a light in the tender. I too have a 343 on my bench with a light. Every 343 I have seen has had one. Steve SnS In a message dated 03/10/2009 12:06:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, hblanier@... writes: The 343's certainly had rear lights in the tender; have one apart on my bench now. I am also not sure there was room enough for the older 342's with SIT. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:342 SIT I don't know that any of the 0-8-0 switchers had a back up light on the tender from the factory. I find no reference to it in any of my Flyer books. That may have been proposed at some point, but perhaps dropped because of the size of the SIT unit. Later, after smoke in boiler, maybe they just never added it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on Gilbert can tell us more. I found in a junk box a severly damaged 343 tender shell that a grain of wheat bulb was installed with what appears to be something like Walthers Goo. There were other glue remains in the inside of the shell as well indicating that perhaps there was a resistor or something at one time to step down the voltage for the tiny light bulb or maybe a directional lighting set up. This was probably by some owner putting his own back up light in the tender as I'm not aware of Gilbert doing anything that way. Stumpy Stone...troller of junk boxes...Martins Ferry, Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53234	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

In a message dated 3/10/2009 1:59:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, canambob91710k@... writes: who cares as long as they stay interested. THAT is the challenge ALL of us in the hobby should be addressing, sharing the hobby to keep it alive. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53235	From: Grant	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit

Larry Thanks very much, I'll give that a shot next time I have some time Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > Grant, Put something under the loco chassis to hold the drive up, not making contact with a surface. Next, apply power to the tender, then with a toothpick apply slight pressure to the fingers riding against the drum. If with pressure you get power, the problem is the fingers not making tight contact to the drum. From there it is a matter of slightly bending the fingers to make contact. I use two toothpicks to adjust the fingers in place. Just be careful, they are delicate. As an alternative bend the tabs holding the fingers in place, take them loose and bend the fingers down slightly, and re-install. Hope this helps, Larry Moore > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: gwbishop@... > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:50:06 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Unit > > > > > > Hi > I've been working on my 302 that I bought at a show a while back that has never moved but looks great!! > > Took the motor apart and cleaned it up and it works fine when I power it up directly but not when I put it on the track > Next I replaced the fingerboards and lubricated it. > Moves a little now mostly backwards. > > I'm at a loss at what to try next > > Thanks! > Grant > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Life without walls. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53236	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

It was sort of hard times that actually got me back into trains, especially AF. It was October 1991, as we go to Maine, Acadia every October. As we drove up US 1 for the scenery, at Kennebunkport or Kennebunk, we wanted to see the Bush home at Walker's Point. We found the home, as protestors and TV where everywhere! As we left, we got lost, trying to get back to US 1, as we did not go in reverse route. We came across a house that had a sign for a hobby shop, as it was in the basement of the house. We went in and a very tall thin man with a pencil thin mustache, came down in a bathroom smoking a thin cigar type cigerette. He said he just had open heart surgery!!! He seem nice, as I believe Doug Peck did his repair work. We looked around and he had a ton of used AF. I knew nothing about AF at the time, but I picked up a 982 State of Maine, left the five digit, as the red band is orange on one side. Not sure what this about, a cheap red caboose, a 343 engine, the MSTL Baldwin, that Doug did a wonderful job in repairing a broken step, the passenger cars to go with it, three steel passenger cars, the 900 one with the rarer one, track, switches, 12B transformer, checker board water tower, tool shed, and some more. They where being sold for someone who needed money, as jobs in Maine are tough,especially in hard times, as seafood is a big part in that area. So that got me going and in checking prices later, he was right on the money not too low or high. Everyone was happy. As for the future, as this comes up from time to time. Collecting trains will slow down in my opinion as we the 50 to 80 rage start to die off. Highly collectable rare pieces like a 21129, Penn Salt tanker, etc. will have a market. How much, that is between the seller and buyer, as price guides are just guides. Nothing written in stone for any collectable. Coins, baseball cards, will always be in demand. Just my opinion as I see York not being as big in 10 to 20 years for us in the TCA. I have always said that collectables are not for making money, but for your enjoyment. I have spent enough on trains, as I have every check spent. I will not come close to gettting back that money as I don't really care. I am lucky that I will not be dependent on what my trains will bring me in 20 to 30 years. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53237	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit

I use one of the wood strips used on a 928 NH flatcar. The strip is just the right width to fit between the loco wheels and support the engine while testing it as described. Just screw or glue it to your workbench. <<< Put something under the loco chassis to hold the drive up, not making contact with a surface.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. Put something under the loco chassis to hold the drive up, not making contact with a surface. Next, apply power to the tender, then with a toothpick apply slight pressure to the fingers riding against the drum. If with pressure you get power, the problem is the fingers not making tight contact to the drum. From there it is a matter of slightly bending the fingers to make contact. I use two toothpicks to adjust the fingers in place. Just be careful, they are delicate. As an alternative bend the tabs holding the fingers in place, take them loose and bend the fingers down slightly, and re-install. Hope this helps, Larry Moore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53238	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

Hi All, The Good: Nine weeks after fracturing my hip it is 100% and ready for action. The Bad: My knee buckles when I put full weight on it. I saw the doctor today and after x-rays, poking and probing he decided it needed a cortisone injection to ease the pain. Well that did absolutely nothing so far. I am able to barely get around with a cane I got this afternoon. I can scoot around pretty good on the walker but that's not my plan for the future. I'm hoping the cane will force me to put more load on the knee and get it back into shape. If the injection doesn't improve the knee pain in a couple of days its either back to the doctor or get a second opinion. The Layout: I can finally get upstairs to the layout by sitting on the steps and pulling up step-by-step. Not pretty but it works. I can get back down one stair at the time standing and holding on to both handrails. What a total aggravation! At least I can see the chaotic mess that hopefully one day will be re-assembled to a decent layout I hope. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53239	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: 343 tender light question

What am I looking for inside a 343 tender with a light? Some sort of mounting bracket with a screw-in bulb like the headlight in the loco? Did all the 0-8-0s except the 342 SIT have them? The only 0-8-0 I have got to see running so far didn't have a light, so the bulb must have been burned out. My junker 0-8-0 was a boiler shell and most of a chassis and a tender shell that had the grain of wheat light and a huge chunk out of the side. I turned my 343 into a 2-8-0 during rebuilding, but I'm using a common plastic tender. Stumpy Stone...certified to do anything with nothing...eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53240	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

David, Good to hear that as you can put the walker away? get a MRI on the knee. I am not sure what happen to you, but you could have a torn muscle, as I did that last year for no reason. Old age. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, the Bad and the Layout Hi All, The Good: Nine weeks after fracturing my hip it is 100% and ready for action. The Bad: My knee buckles when I put full weight on it. I saw the doctor today and after x-rays, poking and probing he decided it needed a cortisone injection to ease the pain. Well that did absolutely nothing so far. I am able to barely get around with a cane I got this afternoon. I can scoot around pretty good on the walker but that's not my plan for the future. I'm hoping the cane will force me to put more load on the knee and get it back into shape. If the injection doesn't improve the knee pain in a couple of days its either back to the doctor or get a second opinion. The Layout: I can finally get upstairs to the layout by sitting on the steps and pulling up step-by-step. Not pretty but it works. I can get back down one stair at the time standing and holding on to both handrails. What a total aggravation! At least I can see the chaotic mess that hopefully one day will be re-assembled to a decent layout I hope. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53241	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

Hang in there, BG, I know exactly what you mean.  Never had a lick of trouble with my knee prior to breaking the hip, but it is still weak.  Just keep working it.   The stairs are a pain, aren't they - both literally and figuratively!  My lay out was in the basement and was certainly a motivation for me to try tackling the stairs.  It sure looked a  L--O--N--G ways down there the first time I tried, but I managed and SO WILL YOU!!  At least you were smart enough to install handrails on both sides. Don't worry, the trains will be waiting for you!   Good luck, Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:27:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, the Bad and the Layout Hi All, The Good: Nine weeks after fracturing my hip it is 100% and ready for action. The Bad: My knee buckles when I put full weight on it. I saw the doctor today and after x-rays, poking and probing he decided it needed a cortisone injection to ease the pain. Well that did absolutely nothing so far. I am able to barely get around with a cane I got this afternoon. I can scoot around pretty good on the walker but that's not my plan for the future. I'm hoping the cane will force me to put more load on the knee and get it back into shape. If the injection doesn't improve the knee pain in a couple of days its either back to the doctor or get a second opinion. The Layout: I can finally get upstairs to the layout by sitting on the steps and pulling up step-by-step. Not pretty but it works. I can get back down one stair at the time standing and holding on to both handrails. What a total aggravation! At least I can see the chaotic mess that hopefully one day will be re-assembled to a decent layout I hope. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53242	From: michael prell	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

I feel your pain, BG! Well, not really, but I appreciate what you're going through. A little while ago and the night before I was scheduled for gall bladder removal, I took a tumble down a flight of stairs to the Bat Cave. That's where the Second Chance RR's set up. Anywhoo, after being told that nothing was broken after x-rays (banged up from hip to ankle and twice the size as normal, but not broken) it was about two months before I got up the courage to try those stairs again. So what I'm attempting to say is that I applaud your courage and wish you well. As my pt gal tells me, "Listen to your body and it will be good to you" But what the hell does she know:>). Take care, The Kid from Prell     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 3/10/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Good, the Bad and the Layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 11:22 PM Hang in there, BG, I know exactly what you mean.  Never had a lick of trouble with my knee prior to breaking the hip, but it is still weak.  Just keep working it.   The stairs are a pain, aren't they - both literally and figuratively!  My lay out was in the basement and was certainly a motivation for me to try tackling the stairs.  It sure looked a  L--O--N--G ways down there the first time I tried, but I managed and SO WILL YOU!!  At least you were smart enough to install handrails on both sides. Don't worry, the trains will be waiting for you!   Good luck, Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_ 1" <bull_gator_1@ yahoo.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:27:37 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, the Bad and the Layout Hi All, The Good: Nine weeks after fracturing my hip it is 100% and ready for action. The Bad: My knee buckles when I put full weight on it. I saw the doctor today and after x-rays, poking and probing he decided it needed a cortisone injection to ease the pain. Well that did absolutely nothing so far. I am able to barely get around with a cane I got this afternoon. I can scoot around pretty good on the walker but that's not my plan for the future. I'm hoping the cane will force me to put more load on the knee and get it back into shape. If the injection doesn't improve the knee pain in a couple of days its either back to the doctor or get a second opinion. The Layout: I can finally get upstairs to the layout by sitting on the steps and pulling up step-by-step. Not pretty but it works. I can get back down one stair at the time standing and holding on to both handrails. What a total aggravation! At least I can see the chaotic mess that hopefully one day will be re-assembled to a decent layout I hope. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53243	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL

I have an AMERICAN MODELS B&O Baldwin S-12 Switcher for sale. $125.00 + $10 shipping....Contact me off list.. _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) . Mike **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53244	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Uses for AF Smoke Fluid Funnels

I put up a new Hunter Ceiling fan and I thought, wow, I finally might have a use for the 36 extra AF Smoke Fluid Funnels. Although it was to be a one time use for it, it still was a use for it!! The fan needs to you put this supply of oil they have you for the bearings in it as you put the fan up first. However, it turns out that there was no need to use this mini funnel as it was quite easy and I did not spill oil all over the bed. Rats, I thought I might be able to become rich in supplying Hunter Fan with a never ending demand to put these funnels in the box with each fan they sent out to stores, etc. Well, I will have to go back on the thinking block and figure out what to do with these extra funnels beside putting smoke fluid in my engines. If you have any ideas please send them to me. I will give you a cut of the profit. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53245	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL

Hi Mike, thanks for the smoke off of Ebay..... :) Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 3/11/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: > From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 11:50 AM > I have an AMERICAN MODELS B&O Baldwin S-12 Switcher > for sale. $125.00 + $10 > shipping....Contact me off list.. _Anormal1@..._ > (mailto:Anormal1@...) . Mike > **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 > safest jobs in a > recession. > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53246	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL

Thank You Clayton. Mike In a message dated 3/11/2009 3:22:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, uvl97222@... writes: Hi Mike, thanks for the smoke off of Ebay..... :) Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 3/11/09, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: > From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AMERICAN MODELS B&O SWITCHER FOR SALE AC HI-RAIL > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 11:50 AM > I have an AMERICAN MODELS B&O Baldwin S-12 Switcher > for sale. $125.00 + $10 > shipping.... shipping....<WBR>__Anormal1@aol._An_ (mailto:_Anormal1@...) _ > (mailto:_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) ) . Mike > ************ ************<WBR>**Worried about job sec > safest jobs in a > recession. > (_http://jobs.http://jobs.<WBRhttp://jobs.http://jobshttp://jobs.<WBRhttp://jo_ (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53247	From: Firewood	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The "Opinion on value" posts got me thinking again (uh, oh) about the economy and how it relates to the "collecting" hobby. What I have found annoying is the predilection for some manufacturers to trickle down "collector" pricing onto items that have been produced for years. As the labor costs have dropped by using far-off manufacturing plants, the pricing has leapt beyond reasonable inflation it seems. I realize that the tooling investments are jaw-dropping, but take a hard look at some models out there, particularly in HO. There are more than a few items priced at hundreds of dollars that once sold for far less, and one would swear the castings are identical. Just my $0.02 from the tail end of the baby boom, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53248	From: race944t	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: 22034 transformer

Thanks to all who replied to my "valuable" transformer. It seems that the majority of opinions are that all the books have a misprint and that the 50W version is in fact right. Makes you wonder if one publisher might have been looking at another's work for all of them to list the 110W version. Hummm? Well, I guess I better continue to stay in commercial banking since my transformer is not even worth $18. (Notice I said "commercial" banking and not "mortgage" or "investment" banking? The latter are the ones who screwed up the economy by making loans, selling them without recourse, securitizing them and selling them as bonds with multiple traunches so complicated that even the economists can't figure out who the owners are. OK, soapbox over!) "Commercial" Banker Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > As you know the 22034 came marked as Gilbert or with the All Aboard logo. > The 22034 was never cataloged for separate sale as a train item, and is most often found with the All Aboard sets. Both versions were used in the sets.That's not to say that it could not have been included in some of the department, special or premium sets that were thrown together. However, all the ones i have seen have been the 50w variety. you might have something if you had a 110w version. > Recently, there was one on ebay (item# 270347157473). It was marked Gilbert and 50w. > Starting bid $18.00. There were no takers. > Bob Graves has a picture on page 3 of his transformer section of another that appears > similar to your description. Although the caption reads 110w, it's marked 50w on the case. > Also check out the All Aboard site on trainweb, there are pictures of both > label versions and they are both 50w. > > -Clay Buckage > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: > From: race944t <race944t@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 22034 transformer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:45 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I know I'm going to be able to permanently retire because this is such a rare transformer. :-) > > > > All my books; Doyle, TM, and Greenberg big book and Greenberg price guide list this transformer as a 110W transformer. Mine clearly says "OUTPUT: 16 VOLTS A.C. 50 WATTS" > > > > This is the "Gilbert No. 22034 American Flyer" version not the "Gilbert - All Aboard" version. > > > > Does anyone know if this is a rare version I can sell for a gazillion dollars? > > > > "Banker" Bill Clark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53249	From: race944t	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT

It seems no 342, SIT or otherwise, ever had a light in the tender. I must have been thinking about my 343 with the tender light. Thanks to all who replied. I think I'm back on track with my thinking now. (Scary thought) "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: > > OOPS!   I took the 342 SIT out to the workbench and found that my previous post was incorrect.  NO light in the tender and no room for one.  I could have sworn it had a light but I think i  was picturing in my minds eye the 21004, 0-6-0.   Sorry!   Al  havin fun with trains in the desert!! > > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:342 SIT > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:41 AM > > > > > > > I don't know that any of the 0-8-0 switchers had a back up light on the tender from the factory. I find no reference to it in any of my Flyer books. That may have been proposed at some point, but perhaps dropped because of the size of the SIT unit. Later, after smoke in boiler, maybe they just never added it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on Gilbert can tell us more. > I found in a junk box a severly damaged 343 tender shell that a grain of wheat bulb was installed with what appears to be something like Walthers Goo. There were other glue remains in the inside of the shell as well indicating that perhaps there was a resistor or something at one time to step down the voltage for the tiny light bulb or maybe a directional lighting set up. This was probably by some owner putting his own back up light in the tender as I'm not aware of Gilbert doing anything that way. > Stumpy Stone...troller of junk boxes...Martins Ferry, Ahia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53250	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/11/2009
Subject: Re: Uses for AF Smoke Fluid Funnels

How about marketing them a G scale dunce caps?   Bob --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Uses for AF Smoke Fluid Funnels To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 5:39 PM I put up a new Hunter Ceiling fan and I thought, wow, I finally might have a use for the 36 extra AF Smoke Fluid Funnels. Although it was to be a one time use for it, it still was a use for it!! The fan needs to you put this supply of oil they have you for the bearings in it as you put the fan up first. However, it turns out that there was no need to use this mini funnel as it was quite easy and I did not spill oil all over the bed. Rats, I thought I might be able to become rich in supplying Hunter Fan with a never ending demand to put these funnels in the box with each fan they sent out to stores, etc. Well, I will have to go back on the thinking block and figure out what to do with these extra funnels beside putting smoke fluid in my engines. If you have any ideas please send them to me. I will give you a cut of the profit. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53251	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 343 tender light question

Stumpy, I also have a 343 that is being restored someday. Yes there was a factory mounted reverse light on the 343 on at least some models. I am posting pictures of the inside along with how it was mounted and wired. Look for folder called 343-light. Hope this helps all who are asking. Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > What am I looking for inside a 343 tender with a light? Some sort of mounting bracket with a screw-in bulb like the headlight in the loco? > Did all the 0-8-0s except the 342 SIT have them? > The only 0-8-0 I have got to see running so far didn't have a light, so the bulb must have been burned out. > My junker 0-8-0 was a boiler shell and most of a chassis and a tender shell that had the grain of wheat light and a huge chunk out of the side. I turned my 343 into a 2-8-0 during rebuilding, but I'm using a common plastic tender. > Stumpy Stone...certified to do anything with nothing...eastern Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53252	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT

I have a I have a 342 that has a light in the tender. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of race944t Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:342 SIT It seems no 342, SIT or otherwise, ever had a light in the tender. "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53253	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 342 SIT

The 342 DC, SIB had the tender headlight. Not directional, but there. The Greenberg's book shows it on the SIB 342 AC as well. My book does NOT show the SIT version. jfred --- On Wed, 3/11/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:342 SIT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:21 PM It seems no 342, SIT or otherwise, ever had a light in the tender. I must have been thinking about my 343 with the tender light. Thanks to all who replied. I think I'm back on track with my thinking now. (Scary thought) "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, albert paolozzi <amflyral@.. .> wrote: > > OOPS!   I took the 342 SIT out to the workbench and found that my previous post was incorrect.  NO light in the tender and no room for one.  I could have sworn it had a light but I think i  was picturing in my minds eye the 21004, 0-6-0.   Sorry!   Al  havin fun with trains in the desert!! > > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote: > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@.. .> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:342 SIT > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:41 AM > > > > > > > I don't know that any of the 0-8-0 switchers had a back up light on the tender from the factory. I find no reference to it in any of my Flyer books. That may have been proposed at some point, but perhaps dropped because of the size of the SIT unit. Later, after smoke in boiler, maybe they just never added it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on Gilbert can tell us more. > I found in a junk box a severly damaged 343 tender shell that a grain of wheat bulb was installed with what appears to be something like Walthers Goo. There were other glue remains in the inside of the shell as well indicating that perhaps there was a resistor or something at one time to step down the voltage for the tiny light bulb or maybe a directional lighting set up. This was probably by some owner putting his own back up light in the tender as I'm not aware of Gilbert doing anything that way. > Stumpy Stone...troller of junk boxes...Martins Ferry, Ahia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53254	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Product Pricing

Let me first state that while being around a number of years, and having worked in a hobby shop, I have no insider information when it comes to the manufacturers. The following is simply observation and opinion... Way back in the 1970s during what is known as the "MPC era" of Lionel, the company had all the molds and dies to manufacture "Postwar" Lionel O gauge trains from the fifties. Prices for Lionel new products were set by collector prices, not actual costs. When MTH came on the scene, they started from scratch but did their manufacturing "off shore" from the outset. They set their prices by what Lionel charged for similar products, not actual costs. When Lionel started making S gauge, they had the molds and dies, did the manufacturing "off shore" and set prices by what the collector market was doing. Gary at the shop says this is "astute business practice." The cost of coming up with a totally new product such as the Flyonel Mikado is one thing, but repopping an old product requires much less expense. The smaller S manufacturers had to start from scratch, while Lionel started by running postwar stuff over and over. As was pointed out here not long ago while we discussed electronics, the business models for Lionel and the smaller S manufacturers is different, which is correct. The little guys are producing for the hobby as a whole, while Lionel is chasing the collector market. Now comes the current economic problem, so ALL manufacturers can sell less, so they must produce less, so costs are higher. Yet right now, the little guys are selling better quality rolling stock for less than Lionel is selling cruder repopped fifties stuff. Either there is someting I don't know (possible), or common sense no longer works! Stumpy Stone...victim of "astute business practices" for years...Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53255	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Don't always believe what you're told!

The year was 1973. My first wife and I were in the process of setting up house keeping in a small northern Ney York town called Potsdam. We were fortunate to have rrented the first floor of an old home which had lots of space and more rooms than we needed.(no kids yet!) Anyhooo, one day I mentioned that I was interested in firing up my old American Flyer trains. The problem was in locating hobby shots in the area that might have any old Gilbert stuff in stock. None did, so one weekend while in Syracuse for a visit to see my folks, I decided to give the local shops a visit. It got interesting while visiting one near by my home in Camillus. There were two gentlemen in the shop. One behind the counter and one infront. When asked what I wanted, I told the owner about my interest in Flyer. Immediately the guy informed that noone ran that "junk" any more, that I'd be better off going into "aitch-oh". At that point the gut infront of the counter informed me that the owner was right, BUT, that if I wanted to sell the stuff (Flyer) that I had, he'd be willing to take it off my hands for a fair price. Good thing that the alarm went off. I'd had my flyer "junk" since the early 50's and it was still in very good shape and there was no way I'd part with it. I thanked the two "experts" and left. We did dabble in aitch-oh for a short time but I never really got interested in the scale. Just too small. I was spoiled by the heft and size of the big boys. That's why I consider myself lucky to have not listened to what I was told back then.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53256	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing

In a message dated 3/12/2009 7:48:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Yet right now, the little guys are selling better quality rolling stock for less than Lionel is selling cruder repopped fifties stuff. Either there is something I don't know (possible), or common sense no longer works! Stumpy Stone...victim of "astute business practices" for years...Ahia. Obviously common sense is losing out. Not too long ago, when new LIONEL ran out of boxes unassembled, in parts, I overheard two guys waiting to get into a show complaining about that fact. Their final thought was that IF they stopped buying because of inferior workmanship/quality their collections would be incomplete. SO, rather than complain or, even worse, STOP buying inferior products, they continued to write checks and fix the stuff themselves (where possible). About the same time, I watched a LIONEL Executive walk away from a customer trying to get resolution on the Allegheny he had bought, but, could not keep on the track. That "Executive" was just passing thru Lionel, he is now running another train company. Most of us would recognize the name. By the same token, I have continued to buy vans manufactured by General(ly) (Clueless) Motors. Can't make sense either. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53257	From: The Reardon's	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: 343 tender light question

Hi Stumpy, I jsut went downstairs and took a look at my 343. It seems as if the rear, tender light assemby is built as part of the tender casting. (Of course, as usual, I COULD BE WRONG), but that's my take, on quick glance, without disassembling the tender. Pat, In Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: D Stoll To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 343 tender light question Stumpy, I also have a 343 that is being restored someday. Yes there was a factory mounted reverse light on the 343 on at least some models. I am posting pictures of the inside along with how it was mounted and wired. Look for folder called 343-light. Hope this helps all who are asking. Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > What am I looking for inside a 343 tender with a light? Some sort of mounting bracket with a screw-in bulb like the headlight in the loco? > Did all the 0-8-0s except the 342 SIT have them? > The only 0-8-0 I have got to see running so far didn't have a light, so the bulb must have been burned out. > My junker 0-8-0 was a boiler shell and most of a chassis and a tender shell that had the grain of wheat light and a huge chunk out of the side. I turned my 343 into a 2-8-0 during rebuilding, but I'm using a common plastic tender. > Stumpy Stone...certified to do anything with nothing...eastern Ahia. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53258	From: Martin Coleman	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing

Stumpy, When I returned to college in the 1970's to complete my degree, I was scheduled for several Economics courses. The one resounding theme was that prices were set based on the market (supply/demand curve). The difference between the price charged the customer and the cost to make it available is gross profit. Gross profit determines your right to be a player in that market. If you don't make a profit, you will get out. But then I had a boss whose favorite saying was that that "Fat Hogs get slaughtered. Little pigs get to grow up." If someone is making a nice profit in a market, there will be others that enter that market. I just hope that Flyonel continues making a profit with AF products. More SHS and AM will enter the market with more new products. BTW: Where is the Big Boy? >------- Original Message ------- >From : Stumpy Stone[mailto:mrstumpy@...] >Sent : 3/12/2009 7:45:11 AM >To : S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Cc : >Subject : RE: [S-Trains] Product Pricing > >Let me first state that while being around a number of years, and having worked in a hobby shop, I have no insider information when it comes to the manufacturers. The following is simply observation and opinion... Way back in the 1970s during what is known as the "MPC era" of Lionel, the company had all the molds and dies to manufacture "Postwar" Lionel O gauge trains from the fifties. Prices for Lionel new products were set by collector prices, not actual costs. When MTH came on the scene, they started from scratch but did their manufacturing "off shore" from the outset. They set their prices by what Lionel charged for similar products, not actual costs. When Lionel started making S gauge, they had the molds and dies, did the manufacturing "off shore" and set prices by what the collector market was doing. Gary at the shop says this is "astute business practice." The cost of coming up with a totally new product such as the Flyonel Mikado is one thing, but repopping an old product requires much less expense. The smaller S manufacturers had to start from scratch, while Lionel started by running postwar stuff over and over. As was pointed out here not long ago while we discussed electronics, the business models for Lionel and the smaller S manufacturers is different, which is correct. The little guys are producing for the hobby as a whole, while Lionel is chasing the collector market. Now comes the current economic problem, so ALL manufacturers can sell less, so they must produce less, so costs are higher. Yet right now, the little guys are selling better quality rolling stock for less than Lionel is selling cruder repopped fifties stuff. Either there is someting I don't know (possible), or common sense no longer works! Stumpy Stone...victim of "astute business practices" for years...Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53259	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: SIT FOR 343

Can the newer piston type of SIT unit be put into a 342 or 342, or any other engine for that mater. Up front I know the REV. or E unit would have to go. So I would be running a DC or AC w/Dalle set up. Mike **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53260	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: SIT FOR 343

Mike, the question is a bit confusing to me. If you want to know if the bellows in a SIT can be replaced with a piston type, the answer is yes. If you want to know if a non sit tender can be outfitted with the ki,t the answer is also yes, with mods of course. Steve, SnS Trains In a message dated 03/12/2009 1:44:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: Can the newer piston type of SIT unit be put into a 342 or 342, or any other engine for that mater. Up front I know the REV. or E unit would have to go. So I would be running a DC or AC w/Dalle set up. Mike ************************<WBR>**Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safe recession. (_http://jobs.http://jobs.<WBRhttp://jobs.http://jobshttp://jobs.<WBRhttp://jo _ (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53261	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Big Boy, & 2009 line

Someone asked about the Big Boy........latest word from Lionel is "July", which means I wouldn't count on seeing it until fall. The Union Station, the 915, and the AF 3-pack are all scheduled for delivery during March-April. We will have our advance order pricing for the 2009 line firmed up and available by this weekend. April 1 is the deadline for reservations based upon advance-order pricing. Inquire off-list if interested. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53262	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: SIT FOR 343

Thanks Steve, That was it, Mike In a message dated 3/12/2009 12:50:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boss31@... writes: Mike, the question is a bit confusing to me. If you want to know if the bellows in a SIT can be replaced with a piston type, the answer is yes. If you want to know if a non sit tender can be outfitted with the ki,t the answer is also yes, with mods of course. Steve, SnS Trains In a message dated 03/12/2009 1:44:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: Can the newer piston type of SIT unit be put into a 342 or 342, or any other engine for that mater. Up front I know the REV. or E unit would have to go. So I would be running a DC or AC w/Dalle set up. Mike ************************<WBR>**<WBR>*Worried about job security? Check out safe recession. (__http://jobs.http://jobs._ (http://jobs.http//jobs.) <_WBRhttp://jobs.WBRhttp://jobs.WBRhttp_ (wbrhttp://jobs.http://jobshttp://jobs.) <_WBRhttp://jo_ (wbrhttp://jo/) _ (_http://jobs.http://jobs.<WBRhttp://jobs.http://jobshttp://jobs.<WBRhttp://jo _ (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) ) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**Worried about job security? Check out the 5 recession. (_http://jobs.http://jobs.<WBRhttp://jobs.http://jobshttp://jobs.<WBRhttp://jo _ (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53263	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: TMCC "Decoder"

I'm getting interested in learning how to retrofit postwar AF locos for TMCC (I guess, unless everybody thinks DCC is better). Running the old locos with the Cab-1 is the first step, but can you put the R2LC module and whatever else you need into all S locos? What does everyone like? The Motor-Mite or one of the Commanders? Can it be installed by a do-it-yourselfer easily or should you pay one of the pros to do it? For example, I have a K325 Hudson and a 343; the Hudson is pretty big but I would love to modernize the 343. Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53264	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Amtrak, enjoy the journey....

> Not directly S related, but a kinda cute ad for Amtrak. > > www.adweek.com/webloc > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53265	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC "Decoder"

Matthew, I have been doing TMCC in S for many years. I am hooked on it. Please check out http://www.tuveson.com I have many pages of "S" TMCC projects there. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC "Decoder" I'm getting interested in learning how to retrofit postwar AF locos for TMCC (I guess, unless everybody thinks DCC is better). Running the old locos with the Cab-1 is the first step, but can you put the R2LC module and whatever else you need into all S locos? What does everyone like? The Motor-Mite or one of the Commanders? Can it be installed by a do-it-yourselfer easily or should you pay one of the pros to do it? For example, I have a K325 Hudson and a 343; the Hudson is pretty big but I would love to modernize the 343. Thank you very much. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53266	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value

I went there and was told the item was no longer available. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> wrote: From: acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Opinion on value To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 5:25 PM I had my 321 SIT listed on ebay last week and it did not meet the reserve. I would like to have opions from this group relative to the value of this engine. The auction was 190290471768 do an ebay search to see the pictures. Thanks, MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53267	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC "Decoder"

I have retrofitted a 343 with TMCC and I love it. You can see a video on YouTube of my 343 operating in a lashup with my TMCC converted 302 at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbtG1j-Gk_g The 302 has a sound module as well. MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC "Decoder" I'm getting interested in learning how to retrofit postwar AF locos for TMCC (I guess, unless everybody thinks DCC is better). Running the old locos with the Cab-1 is the first step, but can you put the R2LC module and whatever else you need into all S locos? What does everyone like? The Motor-Mite or one of the Commanders? Can it be installed by a do-it-yourselfer easily or should you pay one of the pros to do it? For example, I have a K325 Hudson and a 343; the Hudson is pretty big but I would love to modernize the 343. Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53268	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53269	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Opinion on value

Mike, I just searched and it is still viewable on ebay. The auction has ended so if that is what you mean by "no longer available" then you are correct it is in fact no longer available. In fact the 321 is REALLY no longer available as I sold it for the reserve I was asking to a guy who bought some stuff from me a while back. In fact it should be in his hands today, as he called me on the phone the next day after the auction ended. MK Next Sunday I will list my 322 SIT. I have not had it out of the box for 8 years, so I am anxious to put it on track and see if it smokes as well with Anormal fluid. It is a piston type chuff. I bought this one from a train repair shop, and I cannot for the life of me remember the name. (but it has been 8 years.) -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Opinion on value I went there and was told the item was no longer available. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@yahoo. <mailto:robbe_wan%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: From: acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@yahoo. <mailto:robbe_wan%40yahoo.com> com> Subject: [S-Trains] Opinion on value To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 5:25 PM I had my 321 SIT listed on ebay last week and it did not meet the reserve. I would like to have opions from this group relative to the value of this engine. The auction was 190290471768 do an ebay search to see the pictures. Thanks, MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53270	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

there was a posting here or in s-gauge about replacing the cord with a plug with the larger blade and I forgot what was wrote. but the larger blade was mentioned. and it had something to do with the switch, So if there is no switch does it matter? one wire to the transformer and the other to the reset button.. ____________________________________________________________ Get the sign you need for the impact you want. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOAPbP3eagoLDE0t2nm1dHaY6SMZdUgT5wHGv32iWLbKtcwIW3iLm/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53271	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Another American Models Story

A friend of mine bought an AM DC-powered E8 loco from me. Couple weeks later he sends me copy of e-mail he has sent to AM, to paraphrase, Can I buy new motor, this one seems to be no good. It may be because dealer [that's me] keeps stock outside [it's been cold in Michigan], only brings in to sell at train shows. Change in temperature is probably not good. Mr Bashista responded promptly with an e-mail saying You probably don't need new motor, you just need an additional ground wire from motor to loco frame. [For AC, an additional wire from frame to circuit board would do it.] This morning I get a copy of e-mail customer has sent to AM saying That fixed the problem, all is well again, Thanks. My friend writes plain, clear, coherent English. I think that helps. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53272	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2009
Subject: Re: Another American Models Story

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but shouldn't it work right out of the box? And if a fix is known shouldn't it be fixed before sale? Also shouldn't letters go out to dealers to fix stock in hand? Mike In a message dated 3/12/2009 7:52:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, t.hawley@... writes: A friend of mine bought an AM DC-powered E8 loco from me. Couple weeks later he sends me copy of e-mail he has sent to AM, to paraphrase, Can I buy new motor, this one seems to be no good. It may be because dealer [that's me] keeps stock outside [it's been cold in Michigan], only brings in to sell at train shows. Change in temperature is probably not good. Mr Bashista responded promptly with an e-mail saying You probably don't need new motor, you just need an additional ground wire from motor to loco frame. [For AC, an additional wire from frame to circuit board would do it.] This morning I get a copy of e-mail customer has sent to AM saying That fixed the problem, all is well again, Thanks. My friend writes plain, clear, coherent English. I think that helps. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53273	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

Yes... --- On Thu, 3/12/09, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: > From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Original American Flyer transformers > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 6:36 PM > Has any body had the experience of the terminal screw posts > " falling off ?" > > ____________________________________________________________ > Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTInoM3cPuSp1T2oKl4tW878hJ8IhAdWQtSUyNUhihVxivl67Daa0A/ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53274	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

Yes, and no. Do you plan on running more then one transformer at one time to run your trains? If you do then you need to look it up in the past emails. If you have a switch you run the hot wire to the switch. Read first, and or some one will be nice in here that knows where it is will link it to you. I know they will. The guys in here are great when it comes to the help. Don't forget to put a "UL" knot in the cord too. That's Underwriters Laboratories. You don't want the cord to ever pull out of the transformer. Clayton Milwaukis OR --- On Thu, 3/12/09, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: > From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Original American Flyer transformers > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 6:42 PM > there was a posting here or in s-gauge about replacing the > cord with a plug with the larger blade and I forgot what was > wrote. but the larger blade was mentioned. and it had > something to do with the switch, > > So if there is no switch does it matter? > > one wire to the transformer and the other to the reset > button.. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get the sign you need for the impact you want. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOAPbP3eagoLDE0t2nm1dHaY6SMZdUgT5wHGv32iWLbKtcwIW3iLm/ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53275	From: innotron	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures

Hi Mike, I love your baseball field! You inspired me to post a current night photo of my layout with the new Miller Engineering Sinclair sign. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains ; Paul Ziembicki ; Toy Trains ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; steve Conard ; Cookie Flannery ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures From the owner of Miller Engineering where I got the Citgo signs. Again, the ballpark is not done, as the cornfield will be in by April, S grandstands are coming and a backstop still needs to be made. And the curse of the black cat, (Cubs 1969) will be on the field too. More decals for the wall will be coming too. And then Hugo's Basement Bargain Outlet for left over baseball stadium stuff will begin. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: milleren@... To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Better baseball pictures Hi Mike, You images are really much better now, great job! I really love that model! I'd like to include some of theme for a section we are doing of our website to show case our customers work. Would that be OK? Thanks, Chris Miller Engineering --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Fw: Better baseball pictures To: milleren@... Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:55 PM These are much better shots as the Citgo signs is much better with the various stages. I will try again, as the blurriness is gone. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Barry Jamison ; Bill Trappen ; Bill Winans ; Bill Zide ; Carl Tuveson ; Cookie Flannery ; Don ; Don Brimmer ; Don Thompson ; Doug Peck ; Evergreen Scale Models ; gerald r dobbs ; Gordon Wilson ; Grant Bishop ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; JFrederick Roberts ; Jim Hannawald ; John Warren ; Joseph Haenn ; Joseph Lechner ; Ken Keki ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin ; Michael Rapp ; Mike Strickland ; nick mescher ; Paul Olekson ; Paul Ziembicki ; Peter Gagnon ; Ralph Loveless ; Rance and Bente ; Rick Evans ; STEPHEN EASTMAN ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Thiususer UnknownPerson ; Thomas Bianculli ; Thomas Stoltz Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Better baseball pictures Allot of you gave me advice and I finally got this down allot better. still working on it, but this is real good now. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 3/7/09 6:43 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53276	From: michael prell	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

Ya mean like the ones on the side of my neck? Sorry. Couldn't help my self.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/12/09, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Original American Flyer transformers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:36 PM Has any body had the experience of the terminal screw posts " falling off ?" ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTInoM3cPuSp1T2oKl4tW878hJ8IhAdWQtSUyNUhihVxivl67Daa0A/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53277	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Circus Repro Loads

I've got two American Flyer s-gauge circus flatbed cars which are missing the truck and cages that used to ride atop both. Is anyone still selling these reproductions? I've seen stuff on E-Bay but would rather deal directly with an individual than to compete with three or four other parties. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Mike PS this same post appears in today's TCA group. So there's nothing wrong with your memories or eyes. {:>)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53278	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing

I guess from a few of the e-mails I've received that I don't really understand "astute business practices" in this country. That pricing is set on "what the traffic will bear." So I guess the manufacturers let the collectors set the prices to start with and reaped nice profits from the outset. By default, the collectors are at fault for high prices because they will pay them? I suppose then that Exxon/Mobil and BP having their folks on the comodities market shill the price of oil then ripping us off with obscene gas prices is just good business? This means that by default, all of us who have to buy gasoline are at fault because we'll pay the prices? You see, other than the amount of money changing hands, I don't see the difference between the oil, drug, and financial giants and the pricing practices of some train manufacturers. The big guys make huge profits while putting the rest of us in the tank! I'm just a poor guy playing with trains, not a wealthy collector, so this doesn't sit well with me. I'd like to buy new stuff, but it is too hard to justfy paying some of the prices these days. After all, I have to buy gas, medications, and pay taxes to bail out those "astute business practices." Stumpy Stone...I wish small business like hobby shops ran the way Exxon, Glaxo, and AIG does...in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53279	From: william cole	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another American Models Story

Look,,, we're lucky that there has been a commitment form American Models and S-Helper Service to bring us a variety of models that run well!   Trust me on this one...have had $3000.00 Fn3 (1:20.3) locos that were wired wrong, not in gauge, need I go on? and the Chinese don't really care once they have your money!!!!!   So far I've had not one problem with any of the AM or SHS locos or cars I've purchased in the past year or so...and it's been a bunch! And they run so well!!!!! at least the DC scale one do!!!   So if the manufacturer's read this list, keep up the good work!   Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53280	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Amtrak, enjoy the journey....

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > > Not directly S related, but a kinda cute ad for Amtrak. > > > > www.adweek.com/webloc Thanks, Roy, that was an excellent ad indeed.... dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53281	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing

Stumpy: Yep, interesting, ain't it? When Lionel (then owned by General Mills subsidiary MPC) started kicking out O gauge using the old dies, but painting it in paint schemes that Lionel never did previously, the mentality was for collectors and speculators to buy the stuff up, put it on the shelf, and sell it off in a few years when the prices shot up trememdously. There's the collector's fantasy of discovering new-in-the-box stuff in a hardware store's basement somewhere at original catalog prices (or even less), and cashing in handsomely. I could name a few characters who did that, including Gary Clark who seems to do quite well with AF stuff (you can usually see him at York). Funny, I'd bet that Madison Hardware in New York City had at least one person a week like that in the store when they were in business. There are several problems with that scenario: First, don't ever DARE to run the stuff, since everybody else has the same stuff in the same condition, so used stuff is practically worthless. Second, the manufacturers actually overproduce stuff, since the percentage of product used is relatively low, and of course, there's a lot of stuff on shelves in closets. Third, Lionel develops the mentality that since so few people RUN the stuff, they can cheat on quality and service. Gee, has anybody seen that attitude? ____________________________________________________________ Click to find information on your credit score and your credit report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHCkWj30x43vHLQX56NQBY9YCQnYWsaridAbcgQqoMc8Ed07arSFa/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53282	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Another American Models Story

Dear William, I cannot speak for all manufacturers, or for all clients, but I know that our team cares. Things are much better now that J.P. Morgan does not own our builder. Most problems are due to communication problems between the clients and the builder. Usually, either too much or too little information is supplied with the project. Too much information confuses them and too little has them guessing about what they are trying to do. It is a difficult balance and I am sure that both Ron's agree on that point. Considering the difference in language and distance, I am surprised we do not have even more problems. One mfgs. opinion, Don On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:11 AM, william cole wrote: > ... and the Chinese don't really care once they have your money!!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53283	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

When I go to a train meet 70% of what I want to buy I do not.   Prices are to high. And most people must WANT to take the stuff home with them.   I.e. Two cars @ $15.00 and I suggest $25.00  and get told some thing about one car  being in a set.( he did not have the set )    Wife is into glass ware mostly bottles, found in the trash, but they are a nice variety.and the price is right, NO hard assed sellers to deal with.   a P.S.  When I do buy something after not getting what I really needed I see some thing I could use and doesn't it always happen buy it for 7 and same thing two tables away it is 3. so now I have two. Just in case one brakes or sticky finger visitor or sister.   --- On Tue, 3/10/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collecting in tough times To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 3:16 PM In a message dated 3/10/2009 1:59:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, canambob91710k@ yahoo.com writes: who cares as long as they stay interested. THAT is the challenge ALL of us in the hobby should be addressing, sharing the hobby to keep it alive. Jim Lyle ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x121967 1244x1201345076/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd% 3Dfebemailfooter NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53284	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Yes and when us Dinosaurs die off, because of a buyers freeze,  like the Ice Age, no one will be around to buy our trains.  Still in Park City. Mike the Garden Gnome --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Collecting in tough times To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 12:41 PM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote: >we're all getting older and fewer On a related note, I've been thinking about how all of us seem to be in our 50s and 60s, having been children in the mid-20th century. Are we dinosaurs? Do toy trains have the same magic for our children and grandchildren? Will there be any AF on eBay in the future? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53285	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Repro Loads

Levington's a company in Washington state sells the circus truck with several different versions of circus wagons that match the originals.  John M. ________________________________ From: snottpuppy124 <mlprell@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:39:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Circus Repro Loads I've got two American Flyer s-gauge circus flatbed cars which are missing the truck and cages that used to ride atop both. Is anyone still selling these reproductions? I've seen stuff on E-Bay but would rather deal directly with an individual than to compete with three or four other parties. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Mike PS this same post appears in today's TCA group. So there's nothing wrong with your memories or eyes. {:>) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53286	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit

ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT TAKING IT BACK TO THE SHOW AND SELLING IT TO SOMEONE ELSE ?   or would you like some help?   Are you in a train club?   Have a repair manual?   Any hobby store near by?   Did you clear out the old greese and replace it with new greese? --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Grant <gwbishop@...> wrote: From: Grant <gwbishop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:50 PM Hi I've been working on my 302 that I bought at a show a while back that has never moved but looks great!! Took the motor apart and cleaned it up and it works fine when I power it up directly but not when I put it on the track Next I replaced the fingerboards and lubricated it. Moves a little now mostly backwards. I'm at a loss at what to try next Thanks! Grant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53287	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Tough times can mean big savings. E-bay is a great shopping place now, there are bargains to be had if you check (when possible) all sellers of the same item. As far as a "future" goes, look at flying model planes. They're still out there, despite the failure(?) of stalwarts like Sterling and most of the C/L-only mfrs.I have again had a very positive experience with youth when I did my Christmas layout at the local library. When one really examines the 1950-1966 period, what % of your school mates had trains? Not too many, especially in small towns. As far as "investment" collecting, fugedaboutit. That's a risky "investment" if there ever was one!-Just my 2 cents worth-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53288	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Repro Loads

We still have them available, as does Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, & Bill Parr. But what we have now is the final production run of these loads. The manufacturer has stated he will make no more in the future. Thus, the 4 of us collectively purchased the entire final run. When we're all out of them, they're history. You'll find them in our website AF PARTS CATALOG, under FLATCARS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@...> wrote: > > I've got two American Flyer s-gauge circus flatbed cars which are missing the truck and cages that used to ride atop both. Is anyone still selling these reproductions? I've seen stuff on E-Bay but would rather deal directly with an individual than to compete with three or four other parties. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > Mike > PS this same post appears in today's TCA group. So there's nothing wrong with your memories or eyes. {:>) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53289	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product Pricing

IF you happen to own the stock, that is what is expected to happen. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/13/2009 8:57:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: I suppose then that Exxon/Mobil and BP having their folks on the comodities market shill the price of oil then ripping us off with obscene gas prices is just good business **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53290	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures

Alex, Great to hear that you like the ball field and that you posted a picture of your Sinclair sign. So, we could have gas wars between your layout and mine. Hugo and Che are drilling, not for oil, but for attacking any gas competition. LOL If you have a photo of the Sinclair sign as well as the rest of your pictures, send a link to the list. Also, send Chris at Miller Engineering a photo of it, as he wants to do a section of his website for pictures of his product on layouts. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: innotron To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures Hi Mike, I love your baseball field! You inspired me to post a current night photo of my layout with the new Miller Engineering Sinclair sign. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains ; Paul Ziembicki ; Toy Trains ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; steve Conard ; Cookie Flannery ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures From the owner of Miller Engineering where I got the Citgo signs. Again, the ballpark is not done, as the cornfield will be in by April, S grandstands are coming and a backstop still needs to be made. And the curse of the black cat, (Cubs 1969) will be on the field too. More decals for the wall will be coming too. And then Hugo's Basement Bargain Outlet for left over baseball stadium stuff will begin. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: milleren@... To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Better baseball pictures Hi Mike, You images are really much better now, great job! I really love that model! I'd like to include some of theme for a section we are doing of our website to show case our customers work. Would that be OK? Thanks, Chris Miller Engineering --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Fw: Better baseball pictures To: milleren@... Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:55 PM These are much better shots as the Citgo signs is much better with the various stages. I will try again, as the blurriness is gone. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Barry Jamison ; Bill Trappen ; Bill Winans ; Bill Zide ; Carl Tuveson ; Cookie Flannery ; Don ; Don Brimmer ; Don Thompson ; Doug Peck ; Evergreen Scale Models ; gerald r dobbs ; Gordon Wilson ; Grant Bishop ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; JFrederick Roberts ; Jim Hannawald ; John Warren ; Joseph Haenn ; Joseph Lechner ; Ken Keki ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin ; Michael Rapp ; Mike Strickland ; nick mescher ; Paul Olekson ; Paul Ziembicki ; Peter Gagnon ; Ralph Loveless ; Rance and Bente ; Rick Evans ; STEPHEN EASTMAN ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Thiususer UnknownPerson ; Thomas Bianculli ; Thomas Stoltz Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Better baseball pictures Allot of you gave me advice and I finally got this down allot better. still working on it, but this is real good now. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 3/7/09 6:43 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53291	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

I believe that three elements of our hobby objective will always be collectible: the truly rare/hard to find items, the pristine/like new items, and the junk for parts. Everything else, that is the common items in well used/played with condition will go begging for buyers. Now is a good time to limit collectible purchases to those three areas; if you want to kitbash common stuff or run 'em til they die, the world is your oyster. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: john isn't eddie anymore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collecting in tough times Tough times can mean big savings. E-bay is a great shopping place now, there are bargains to be had if you check (when possible) all sellers of the same item. As far as a "future" goes, look at flying model planes. They're still out there, despite the failure(?) of stalwarts like Sterling and most of the C/L-only mfrs.I have again had a very positive experience with youth when I did my Christmas layout at the local library. When one really examines the 1950-1966 period, what % of your school mates had trains? Not too many, especially in small towns. As far as "investment" collecting, fugedaboutit. That's a risky "investment" if there ever was one!-Just my 2 cents worth-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53292	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: tmcc decoders

The answer to the question about putting TMCC decoders in most Gilbert American Flyer engines, from what I have seen and looked into, is yes it will fit into a 343 tender. Carl Tuveson has an excellent website with a great deal of information, and not only that, he is quick and willing to answer questions or point you to a place to get your questions answered. I have put an Electric Railroad AC Commander into the tender on a 342ac switcher, this was my first attempt at a project like this, and is really overkill for this engine. The AC Commander, which has one of the largest footprints of all the decoder boards, will handle 8 amps but this engine will probably never draw more than 3 amps. I have also installed an AC Commander in a 336 and in a 474 Rocket dual motored diesel with good results. An additional source for these decoders is Digital Dynamics, they along with the 8 amp decoder, have a decoder which is rated for a max of 4 amps and has a much smaller footprint, it may well fit in a 21004 and quite possibly into a Baldwin diesel. I so much now enjoy the option of taking any one of three engines sitting on the same track and moving out any one of them or all three. One more nice thing about the TMCC is that by using the Powermaster you can also run conventional engines with a wireless control and make use of their Railsounds components from the handheld throttle.                                                                 Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53293	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Reverse Unit

Check the 4 drive wheels.....are the outer rims loose on the whitewall insulators? If even ONE of them is separated and loose, it can slide over next to the metal chassis causing a short. That would explain why it doesn't run on the track, but does run OK in your hand. This is not unusual with engines that have sat around for years, with wheels that dry out and separate. It's an easy fix.....you'll find it described in one of our website AF REPAIR CLINICS. I won't bother to re-state it all here. <<< and it works fine when I power it up directly but not when I put it on the track>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. From: Grant <gwbishop@... <mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:50 PM Hi I've been working on my 302 that I bought at a show a while back that has never moved but looks great!! Took the motor apart and cleaned it up and it works fine when I power it up directly but not when I put it on the track Next I replaced the fingerboards and lubricated it. Moves a little now mostly backwards. I'm at a loss at what to try next Thanks! Grant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53294	From: innotron	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures

Hi Mike, The picture is in the photo section of this list under Alex's layout. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2116161882/pic/list Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures Alex, Great to hear that you like the ball field and that you posted a picture of your Sinclair sign. So, we could have gas wars between your layout and mine. Hugo and Che are drilling, not for oil, but for attacking any gas competition. LOL If you have a photo of the Sinclair sign as well as the rest of your pictures, send a link to the list. Also, send Chris at Miller Engineering a photo of it, as he wants to do a section of his website for pictures of his product on layouts. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: innotron To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures Hi Mike, I love your baseball field! You inspired me to post a current night photo of my layout with the new Miller Engineering Sinclair sign. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains ; Paul Ziembicki ; Toy Trains ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; steve Conard ; Cookie Flannery ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Fw: Better baseball pictures From the owner of Miller Engineering where I got the Citgo signs. Again, the ballpark is not done, as the cornfield will be in by April, S grandstands are coming and a backstop still needs to be made. And the curse of the black cat, (Cubs 1969) will be on the field too. More decals for the wall will be coming too. And then Hugo's Basement Bargain Outlet for left over baseball stadium stuff will begin. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: milleren@... To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Better baseball pictures Hi Mike, You images are really much better now, great job! I really love that model! I'd like to include some of theme for a section we are doing of our website to show case our customers work. Would that be OK? Thanks, Chris Miller Engineering --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Fw: Better baseball pictures To: milleren@... Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:55 PM These are much better shots as the Citgo signs is much better with the various stages. I will try again, as the blurriness is gone. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Barry Jamison ; Bill Trappen ; Bill Winans ; Bill Zide ; Carl Tuveson ; Cookie Flannery ; Don ; Don Brimmer ; Don Thompson ; Doug Peck ; Evergreen Scale Models ; gerald r dobbs ; Gordon Wilson ; Grant Bishop ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jeff Snell ; JFrederick Roberts ; Jim Hannawald ; John Warren ; Joseph Haenn ; Joseph Lechner ; Ken Keki ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin ; Michael Rapp ; Mike Strickland ; nick mescher ; Paul Olekson ; Paul Ziembicki ; Peter Gagnon ; Ralph Loveless ; Rance and Bente ; Rick Evans ; STEPHEN EASTMAN ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Thiususer UnknownPerson ; Thomas Bianculli ; Thomas Stoltz Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Better baseball pictures Allot of you gave me advice and I finally got this down allot better. still working on it, but this is real good now. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 3/7/09 6:43 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/1999 - Release Date: 3/13/09 5:59 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53295	From: rpuls3	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > there was a posting here or in s-gauge about replacing the cord with a plug with the larger blade and I forgot what was wrote. but the larger blade was mentioned. and it had something to do with the switch, > > So if there is no switch does it matter? > > one wire to the transformer and the other to the reset button.. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get the sign you need for the impact you want. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOAPbP3eagoLDE0t2nm1dHaY6SMZdUgT5wHGv32iWLbKtcwIW3iLm/ > Hello all I had raised the question of late about poarized plugs and replacing the original plug with the polarized plug. Look in the archive at question 49854, that is where I got my answer and what is stated makes sense. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53296	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

There is another possibility. Far enough along the way everyone will have forgotten what is truly rare - novelty value will win out and the future buyer will not put too much of a premium on the rarer item. This has already started to happen with Hornby tinplate in the UK. Familiarity with the mystique of the rarer item, a key part of the Nostalgia Factor, when lost, lessens the desirability. The "run 'em 'til they die" people are possibly the ones to have the most fun and least anxiety out of the whole thing. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The LANIERs Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collecting in tough times I believe that three elements of our hobby objective will always be collectible: the truly rare/hard to find items, the pristine/like new items, and the junk for parts. Everything else, that is the common items in well used/played with condition will go begging for buyers. Now is a good time to limit collectible purchases to those three areas; if you want to kitbash common stuff or run 'em til they die, the world is your oyster. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: john isn't eddie anymore To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collecting in tough times Tough times can mean big savings. E-bay is a great shopping place now, there are bargains to be had if you check (when possible) all sellers of the same item. As far as a "future" goes, look at flying model planes. They're still out there, despite the failure(?) of stalwarts like Sterling and most of the C/L-only mfrs.I have again had a very positive experience with youth when I did my Christmas layout at the local library. When one really examines the 1950-1966 period, what % of your school mates had trains? Not too many, especially in small towns. As far as "investment" collecting, fugedaboutit. That's a risky "investment" if there ever was one!-Just my 2 cents worth-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53297	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

The wide blade on a polarized plug is the Neutral or NEG(NOT RIGHT BUT TO MAKE THIS EASY) The thinner one is the HOT. When rewiring ALWAYS switch the HOT NOT the WIDE blade. AS far as the no switch trans. The hot will also go to the breaker/reset. Mike In a message dated 3/13/2009 1:42:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rpuls3@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > there was a posting here or in s-gauge about replacing the cord with a plug with the larger blade and I forgot what was wrote. but the larger blade was mentioned. and it had something to do with the switch, > > So if there is no switch does it matter? > > one wire to the transformer and the other to the reset button.. > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ > Get the sign you need for the impact you want. Click now! > _http://thirdpartyofhttp://thihttp://thirdhttp://thirdparthttp://thirdparthttp://thirdparthttp://thirdpar_ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOAPbP3eagoLDE0t2nm1dHaY6SMZdUgT5wHGv32iWLbKtcwIW3iLm/) > Hello all I had raised the question of late about poarized plugs and replacing the original plug with the polarized plug. Look in the archive at question 49854, that is where I got my answer and what is stated makes sense. Ray **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53298	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Silver Spring, MD Train Station

http://silverspringhistory.homestead.com/trains.html http://www.silverspringdowntown.com/event/bando-railroad-station-open-house Tomorrow in Silver Spring, MD at the train station, there is to be a open house as I think some model trains will be there. This station almost go torn down, as in the 1960's and 70's I used to go there after my music lessons at Dale Music on GA Ave. I would go there watch trains and get time tables. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53299	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: All Scales Train Show to Benefit Boy Scouts Sat 3-14 and Sun 3-15 Da

Come see Z, N, HO, S, O, Lego, and small gauge live steam layouts at Saunders Middle School in Dale City, VA tomorrow and Sunday and help defray some of the costs this year of Troop 964. Boy Scout Train Show Information <http://www.troop964.org/> Scroll down the page and open the Word document for more information - 10-4 Sat, opens later on Sunday. S will be set up and running in the band room. Bring a train and run it with us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53300	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/13/2009
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer transformers

I checked out the post Ray cited below and it seemed to be unrelated. Maybe a number inversion? Basically the purpose of installing polarized plugs is to make sure your transformers are in phase with each other. Which side of the primary you connect to the wide blade is determined by your phasing test. I thought post #16212 described this procedure best. You need to connect your new polarized cords to your transformers and then test them. If they are in phase, you are done. If not, reverse the connections on one transformer. Also, the two transformers have to be plugged into the same house circuit to guaranty proper phasing, but it would probably be rare that they would be plugged into different circuits. There is also a very detailed post by Tom Jarcho concerning the tying the base posts of phased transformers together, #24612. You might aslo want to consult Chris Zizzo's "Electricity 101" post at #21595. Tom also cited the following website for information on phasing transformers. http://www.martye.com/TipsandTricks/TipsandTrick2.htm Dale Smith rpuls3 wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > > > there was a posting here or in s-gauge about replacing the cord with > a plug with the larger blade and I forgot what was wrote. but the > larger blade was mentioned. and it had something to do with the switch, > > > > So if there is no switch does it matter? > > > > one wire to the transformer and the other to the reset button.. > > > > > > > Hello all > I had raised the question of late about poarized plugs and replacing > the original plug with the polarized plug. Look in the archive at > question 49854, that is where I got my answer and what is stated makes > sense. > > Ray > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53301	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Better baseball pictures

Hi Mike, Tell Hugo & Che to stop drilling; they can get all the gas they'll want over at Dewey's Funnel Cake & Beans Stand right there in the park! "The jokes at Dewey's are a Hoot Eat the food and you'll give a Toot!" And if anyone wants to know where I got my funnels--I ain't talkin'! That Acme guy keeps poking his head in around here. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53302	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: All Scales Train Show to Benefit Boy Scouts Sat 3-14 and Sun 3-1

I wish I lived nearer to Virginia!  Bravo for supporting the Scouts.  I was a Scoutmaster while my kids were that age and we did Railroading Merit Badge one year.  In addition to visiting and learning about my layout, we got to visit the Santa Fe yard and got into a diesel engine. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] All Scales Train Show to Benefit Boy Scouts Sat 3-14 and Sun 3-15 Dale City, VA To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 6:36 PM Come see Z, N, HO, S, O, Lego, and small gauge live steam layouts at Saunders Middle School in Dale City, VA tomorrow and Sunday and help defray some of the costs this year of Troop 964. Boy Scout Train Show Information <http://www.troop964 .org/> Scroll down the page and open the Word document for more information - 10-4 Sat, opens later on Sunday. S will be set up and running in the band room. Bring a train and run it with us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53303	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Better baseball pictures

Dear David, Does Dewey use SHS smoke funnels to make funnel cakes? Inquiring minds need to know.... On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:56 PM, David Dewey wrote: > Hi Mike, > Tell Hugo & Che to stop drilling; they can get all the gas they'll > want over at Dewey's Funnel Cake & Beans Stand right there in the > park! > "The jokes at Dewey's are a Hoot > Eat the food and you'll give a Toot!" > And if anyone wants to know where I got my funnels--I ain't talkin'! > That Acme guy keeps poking his head in around here. > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53304	From: Firewood	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote: > > There is another possibility. Far enough along the way everyone will have > forgotten what is truly rare - novelty value will win out and the future > buyer will not put too much of a premium on the rarer item. Good point Alistair, Our own Stumpy and others will be familiar with the Barrett-Jackson classic auto auctions seen on Speed TV for example. The exact thing you describe is happening there. The pristine antique vehicles are totally eclipsed in price ( but certainly not style!)by customized muscle cars from the 60s and 70s, put out by very skilled customizers who have found a very lucrative niche. Perhaps this too will disappear as the monied baby-boomer era collectors fade away. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53305	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Firewood wrote: > Good point Alistair, > Our own Stumpy and others will be familiar with the Barrett-Jackson > classic auto auctions seen on Speed TV for example. The exact thing you > describe is happening there. > The pristine antique vehicles are totally eclipsed in price ( but > certainly not style!)by customized muscle cars from the 60s and 70s, put > out by very skilled customizers who have found a very lucrative niche. > Perhaps this too will disappear as the monied baby-boomer era collectors > fade away. Excellent observation. I have a very nice 1970 Jaguar e-type roadster (http://tinyurl.com/yucybl) and several years ago, these were approaching $70K at B-J. Now they hardly ever sell for the asking prices and folks will pay upwards of $250K for an American muscle car that cost $4K when new. I don't go for the real collectible AF but do have a few sets that my dad bought for me when I was a kid. I prefer the junkers and restore them to good running condition. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53306	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Big "L" catalogs

I got mine yesterday. There's a 60 page K-Line catalog, the 60 page "Ready-to Run" catalog, and the Signature Edition catalog. The "Signature Edition" is 124 pages with 12 at the back given to "S". That's all we get . The only heavyweight is a Freedom Train car. The Christmas set does have a refigerator car that plays 12 holiday songs. It does have track and transformer. New paint on rolling stock, and they take away space on the last page to list the "G" track. So, we are syill the "redheaded stepchild" of the line. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53307	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/15/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53308	From: preardon4girls	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Noisy Transformer

Hi All, I have a transformer (model 15b), that is a little noisy. Not enough to drive you from the room, but... still a little annoying. Is there anything I can do to rectify this "hum"? Or, is the only solution to throw it out and find another? Pat In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53309	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

There you go! That's me. - Bruce W. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote: The "run 'em 'til they die" people are possibly the ones to have the most fun and least anxiety out of the whole thing. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53310	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Hey, just for fun I took the liberty of color correcting and applying a filter mask to the picture of you on the cb750-4. Check it out here. http://www.mwkiner.com/photo/george.jpg -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cohn Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collecting in tough times Firewood wrote: > Good point Alistair, > Our own Stumpy and others will be familiar with the Barrett-Jackson > classic auto auctions seen on Speed TV for example. The exact thing you > describe is happening there. > The pristine antique vehicles are totally eclipsed in price ( but > certainly not style!)by customized muscle cars from the 60s and 70s, put > out by very skilled customizers who have found a very lucrative niche. > Perhaps this too will disappear as the monied baby-boomer era collectors > fade away. Excellent observation. I have a very nice 1970 Jaguar e-type roadster (http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/yucybl> com/yucybl) and several years ago, these were approaching $70K at B-J. Now they hardly ever sell for the asking prices and folks will pay upwards of $250K for an American muscle car that cost $4K when new. I don't go for the real collectible AF but do have a few sets that my dad bought for me when I was a kid. I prefer the junkers and restore them to good running condition. ;-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53311	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/14/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs

----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts . . . . . . . . .12 [pages] at the back given to "S". That's all we get . . . . . . . . . , we are still the "redheaded stepchild" of the line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like the world is divided into two groups, those who have got excited about the U33C and those not. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53312	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Future Value

You guys are making some good points with "Collecting in tough times". I like the one where hot rods are bringing more money than many mint original cars at the Barrett-Jackson Automobile Auctions. This is very often true when I have watched these shows. Taking that as a cue, my kit bashed, DC powered, repainted old Flyer locos just jumped in value by double! ;-) The observation that a lot of this stuff will be valueless to most of today's kids when they are our age is also true. So I guess I've been on the right track all this time by running and enjoying everything I have. Sometimes for many hours at train shows. That items which have personal meaning is a great observation too. The most treasured stuff I have (trains, cars, etc) is stuff that are connected to people in my life. They most have zero collector value, but they are near priceless to me because of the memories attched to them. In these times of stress from many directions, that which gives you a little fun is more valuable than gold. Wealth is often fleeting, memories are forever. Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains, and will until the day I'm looking at the grass from the root side.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53313	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs

I don't mind that there is not much in the new catalog for S-Gauge. But why do they keep making the old accessories? When you can pick up original ones at just about any train show or on line. I know it cost money to make new molds & develop these things but if you are in bussness you need to spend money to make money sometimes. Think about it I do not think they have made one new original accessory for S-Gauge ever. In fact I think the only original thing they have came out with is 1 steam engine & 1 diesel engine. Everything else is a out right copy of a gilbert item or just a new paint scheme. And all made in short supply so short that if you do not pre-order you will have a hard time finding it. Even if you pre-order you will be lucky just to get it. And never mind that it all cost more than the O-Gauge does. Again this is do to the short supply and the fack that they think it just the collectors buy S-Gauge & they will pay what ever price is put on it. Then everyone wants to know why no young people are getting into train collecting & opperating. They are especially not getting into S-Gauge because of price & avaliblity. I myself am 44 and can pretty much count on being the youngest S-Gauge collector in the room at just about any train show I go to. Well I have said my piece any thoughs?   Scott --- On Sat, 3/14/09, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Big "L" catalogs To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 4:53 PM I got mine yesterday. There's a 60 page K-Line catalog, the 60 page "Ready-to Run" catalog, and the Signature Edition catalog. The "Signature Edition" is 124 pages with 12 at the back given to "S". That's all we get . The only heavyweight is a Freedom Train car. The Christmas set does have a refigerator car that plays 12 holiday songs. It does have track and transformer. New paint on rolling stock, and they take away space on the last page to list the "G" track. So, we are syill the "redheaded stepchild" of the line. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53314	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs

Keep the thought in mind. S gauge is one percent of the Lionel revenue. 10 percent of the catalog pages devoted to one percent of the revenue would indicate they are promoting the S gauge with more money per revenue dollar than O gauge. Distorted because there are no S gauge pages in the other catalogs and S gauge is way at the back, but there is big risk for L in producing S gauge - if it doesn't sell it uses up inventory dollars. Where there is no risk but guaranteed profit - making items that are already on order works in this small market. In order to bring out something new in accessories, someone would have to do the engineering work. Where the accessory fits both the O gauge and S gauge market - like many of the old design Gilbert metal pieces, the risk is lower and market bigger due to crossover purchases. Where the tooling and engineering already exists, the investment is lower so it can be made with less risk. Most of the S market today (quantity of purchasers) is in the operator area as evidenced by two firms AM and SHS with all pages of their catalogs devoted to S. Anyone who wants to see more products from L can step up and offer to foot the bill for the product development and inventory costs and they will be happy to produce it - or someone would. Maybe each of us on the list would be ready to put their money up and make a new accessory - say $10,000 each to get started. Maybe that would be enough to convince L to sell us the product line, then we could all get what we want any time we want.   I have plenty of Gilbert to make a wonderful layout and many of the items are available at reasonable costs. It is nice to have new items that can be operated without the financial risk of a wreck wiping out a collector item.   Bill Drake in sunny St. Louis for a change --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...> wrote: From: Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big "L" catalogs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:53 AM I don't mind that there is not much in the new catalog for S-Gauge. But why do they keep making the old accessories?  When you can pick up original ones at just about any train show or on line. I know it cost money to make new molds & develop these things but if you are in bussness you need to spend money to make money sometimes. Think about it I do not think they have made one new original accessory for S-Gauge ever. In fact I think the only original thing they have came out with is 1 steam engine & 1 diesel engine. Everything else is a out right copy of a gilbert item or just a new paint scheme. And all made in short supply so short that if you do not pre-order you will have a hard time finding it. Even if you pre-order you will be lucky just to get it. And never mind that it all cost more than the O-Gauge does. Again this is do to the short supply and the fack that they think it just the collectors buy S-Gauge & they will pay what ever price is put on it. Then everyone wants to know why no young people are getting into train collecting & opperating. They are especially not getting into S-Gauge because of price & avaliblity. I myself am 44 and can pretty much count on being the youngest S-Gauge collector in the room at just about any train show I go to. Well I have said my piece any thoughs?   Scott --- On Sat, 3/14/09, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@yahoo. com> wrote: From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Big "L" catalogs To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 4:53 PM I got mine yesterday. There's a 60 page K-Line catalog, the 60 page "Ready-to Run" catalog, and the Signature Edition catalog. The "Signature Edition" is 124 pages with 12 at the back given to "S". That's all we get . The only heavyweight is a Freedom Train car. The Christmas set does have a refigerator car that plays 12 holiday songs. It does have track and transformer. New paint on rolling stock, and they take away space on the last page to list the "G" track. So, we are syill the "redheaded stepchild" of the line. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53315	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs

There are youngsters out there who will be interested in trains - of any gauge. Let me tell you a story . I sometimes have a table at amateur radio flea markets, but advertise on a sign that I am interested in American Flyer trains, and I usually have a couple of pieces on hand to illustrate what Flyer is. A 3 year old came by with his Dad past my table and saw a red 638 caboose I had - well - that was the only thing this little fellow saw - he reached for it - his Dad said no - I handed the little fellow the caboose, and he clutched it so tightly that you couldnt ever pry it loose. I handed the little fellow a couple of pieces of track, and he put them together on the spot and started fitting the caboose on them. His Dad said he had to give it back after a bit, but the little fellow couldnt bear to let it go - he didnt howl or cry out, he just made it known that the little red caboose should be his and he wanted to adopt it - I gave it to him (no charge) - boy, you never saw a happier kid in your life. I told his dad I could arrange to supply a simple set if he wanted one. So - there are potential toy trainsters still out there. You need to expose them to it as much as possible to get them interested (take them on train rides, to shows, buy them a small set, get cheap used stuff at the train shows, put the train around the tree - and Dads - try supervising constructivly - dont take over the operation entirely). Theres plenty of cheap Flyer train stuff available that kids can play with and get into S guage or any gauge (consider a 302 with smoke and choo choo, a 638, 639, 640 and some track - you should be able to do that for under $100.00. BTW - Flyer used to advertise to boys only - they left the girls out - big mistake if you do that these days. I was at a TTCS train show in Rochester recently and there was a nice S gauge layout there - with some accessorys that were set up so that kids (and adults) could press the buttons to make them work from the side lines (barrel loader - and sawmill). There was no shortage of youngsters there to handle that job. I for one am happy that Lionel is supports Flyer even if on a limited basis - I never would have had a better than original work gang accessory, or some cool CNR stuff for my layout, or a great Northern Pacfic set (reproduction though it is) - and the TTOS car that came out for 2008 - nice! . Flyer rotated thier offerings and brought new things out each year, and Lionel is no different - that is a good market approach - although I gag at some of the prices for pieces now made offshore (one wonders if it would not be possible to make some of this stuff in North America again for as much or less). In some ways I prefer the new reproduction stuff to the original - just look at the Union Station. Ill buy something new from them this year - and look forward to next years. And its nice to buy some things that dont depreciate too much the moment you take them out of the box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Freeman" <northdorchesterrr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big "L" catalogs I don't mind that there is not much in the new catalog for S-Gauge. But why do they keep making the old accessories? When you can pick up original ones at just about any train show or on line. I know it cost money to make new molds & develop these things but if you are in bussness you need to spend money to make money sometimes. Think about it I do not think they have made one new original accessory for S-Gauge ever. In fact I think the only original thing they have came out with is 1 steam engine & 1 diesel engine. Everything else is a out right copy of a gilbert item or just a new paint scheme. And all made in short supply so short that if you do not pre-order you will have a hard time finding it. Even if you pre-order you will be lucky just to get it. And never mind that it all cost more than the O-Gauge does. Again this is do to the short supply and the fack that they think it just the collectors buy S-Gauge & they will pay what ever price is put on it. Then everyone wants to know why no young people are getting into train collecting & opperating. They are especially not getting into S-Gauge because of price & avaliblity. I myself am 44 and can pretty much count on being the youngest S-Gauge collector in the room at just about any train show I go to. Well I have said my piece any thoughs? Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53316	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs

I gave my niece's daughters ( My greatnieces) a Flyer for Christmas.  and it was not pink. They would play with the cousin's set ( if uncle approved)  now they have thier own. N9GUY --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big "L" catalogs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 9:59 AM There are youngsters out there who will be interested in trains - of any gauge. Let me tell you a story . I sometimes have a table at amateur radio flea markets, but advertise on a sign that I am interested in American Flyer trains, and I usually have a couple of pieces on hand to illustrate what Flyer is. A 3 year old came by with his Dad past my table and saw a red 638 caboose I had - well - that was the only thing this little fellow saw - he reached for it - his Dad said no - I handed the little fellow the caboose, and he clutched it so tightly that you couldnt ever pry it loose. I handed the little fellow a couple of pieces of track, and he put them together on the spot and started fitting the caboose on them. His Dad said he had to give it back after a bit, but the little fellow couldnt bear to let it go - he didnt howl or cry out, he just made it known that the little red caboose should be his and he wanted to adopt it - I gave it to him (no charge) - boy, you never saw a happier kid in your life. I told his dad I could arrange to supply a simple set if he wanted one. So - there are potential toy trainsters still out there. You need to expose them to it as much as possible to get them interested (take them on train rides, to shows, buy them a small set, get cheap used stuff at the train shows, put the train around the tree - and Dads - try supervising constructivly - dont take over the operation entirely). Theres plenty of cheap Flyer train stuff available that kids can play with and get into S guage or any gauge (consider a 302 with smoke and choo choo, a 638, 639, 640 and some track - you should be able to do that for under $100.00. BTW - Flyer used to advertise to boys only - they left the girls out - big mistake if you do that these days. I was at a TTCS train show in Rochester recently and there was a nice S gauge layout there - with some accessorys that were set up so that kids (and adults) could press the buttons to make them work from the side lines (barrel loader - and sawmill). There was no shortage of youngsters there to handle that job. I for one am happy that Lionel is supports Flyer even if on a limited basis - I never would have had a better than original work gang accessory, or some cool CNR stuff for my layout, or a great Northern Pacfic set (reproduction though it is) - and the TTOS car that came out for 2008 - nice! . Flyer rotated thier offerings and brought new things out each year, and Lionel is no different - that is a good market approach - although I gag at some of the prices for pieces now made offshore (one wonders if it would not be possible to make some of this stuff in North America again for as much or less). In some ways I prefer the new reproduction stuff to the original - just look at the Union Station. Ill buy something new from them this year - and look forward to next years. And its nice to buy some things that dont depreciate too much the moment you take them out of the box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Freeman" <northdorchesterrr@ yahoo.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big "L" catalogs I don't mind that there is not much in the new catalog for S-Gauge. But why do they keep making the old accessories? When you can pick up original ones at just about any train show or on line. I know it cost money to make new molds & develop these things but if you are in bussness you need to spend money to make money sometimes. Think about it I do not think they have made one new original accessory for S-Gauge ever. In fact I think the only original thing they have came out with is 1 steam engine & 1 diesel engine. Everything else is a out right copy of a gilbert item or just a new paint scheme. And all made in short supply so short that if you do not pre-order you will have a hard time finding it. Even if you pre-order you will be lucky just to get it. And never mind that it all cost more than the O-Gauge does. Again this is do to the short supply and the fack that they think it just the collectors buy S-Gauge & they will pay what ever price is put on it. Then everyone wants to know why no young people are getting into train collecting & opperating. They are especially not getting into S-Gauge because of price & avaliblity. I myself am 44 and can pretty much count on being the youngest S-Gauge collector in the room at just about any train show I go to. Well I have said my piece any thoughs? Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53317	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: toy trainsters

Here, here!  Bravo!  My experience exactly.  My wife and I are kinda adoptive grandparents for several young families in our church.  The kids love to come over and see the trains. We had a lot of fun for a while showing the kids my layout, but one day a couple of years ago, a particularly active youngster started grabbing everything within his reach and I soon realized that my need to yell "don't touch that!" was making it no fun for either of us.  So I bought a ton of loose track and a couple more transformers, and started setting up floor runner layouts all over the living room or family room.  And recently I bought a trestle set to make it even more interesting. Like Larry's 3 year old friend, our adopted grandkids (and my real grandson when he comes to visit) love to put together the tracks and figure out places to run them around the sofas and chairs, under the end tables and coffee table, etc.  I let them carry the Royal Blue engine and operator grade Gilbert cars downstairs to put on the tracks and we have a great time, running two or three trains at once.  (And they love the Flyonel Disney cars, so we use those, too.)  You'll see some of these floor runners in the group photos:      http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/theupstairstrain/ and I plan to put some videos on You Tube soon. All we have to do is get down on the floor again where we all came from, and we'll generate a whole new generation of toy trainsters. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big "L" catalogs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:59 AM There are youngsters out there who will be interested in trains - of any gauge. Let me tell you a story . I sometimes have a table at amateur radio flea markets, but advertise on a sign that I am interested in American Flyer trains, and I usually have a couple of pieces on hand to illustrate what Flyer is. A 3 year old came by with his Dad past my table and saw a red 638 caboose I had - well - that was the only thing this little fellow saw - he reached for it - his Dad said no - I handed the little fellow the caboose, and he clutched it so tightly that you couldnt ever pry it loose. I handed the little fellow a couple of pieces of track, and he put them together on the spot and started fitting the caboose on them. His Dad said he had to give it back after a bit, but the little fellow couldnt bear to let it go - he didnt howl or cry out, he just made it known that the little red caboose should be his and he wanted to adopt it - I gave it to him (no charge) - boy, you never saw a happier kid in your life. I told his dad I could arrange to supply a simple set if he wanted one. So - there are potential toy trainsters still out there. You need to expose them to it as much as possible to get them interested (take them on train rides, to shows, buy them a small set, get cheap used stuff at the train shows, put the train around the tree - and Dads - try supervising constructivly - dont take over the operation entirely). Theres plenty of cheap Flyer train stuff available that kids can play with and get into S guage or any gauge (consider a 302 with smoke and choo choo, a 638, 639, 640 and some track - you should be able to do that for under $100.00. I was at a TTCS train show in Rochester recently and there was a nice S gauge layout there - with some accessorys that were set up so that kids (and adults) could press the buttons to make them work from the side lines (barrel loader - and sawmill). There was no shortage of youngsters there to handle that job. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53318	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

If not for trains, I could have more money for my previous love Firearms,  Shooting sports,   Gun collecting, and Beer.     Little olde beer drinker Me --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] If not for trains..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:52 PM Happy Biirthday Stumpy,   ===== And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. =====   The fact that you are 59 today indicates some very important milestones in your lifetime.   1. You were around during the period major railroads were still operating steam locos. 2. You also remember the "Drop and Cover" drills in grade school. 3. There were gas stations with attendants that checked your oil, and water as well as pumped your gas. Air was also FREE and available at most gas station. 4. There were paper drives at school. 5. "Made in Japan" meant the item was worthless and will probably break in a week. 6. Most of your neighbors knew your name and if you had leftovers, your would take a plate of food over to share. 7. There were no "cell" phones and a "portable" phone was one that had a really long cord. 8. Most radio stations stations were on the AM dial and played church services every Sunday. 9. Recycling meant you had to reid your bike back to the store because you forgot something your mom told you to get. 10. There was a corner store within walking distance of your house and it was owned by a neighbor. 11. The first person in the neighborhood to get a color TV usually had a roomful of kids on Sunday night watching Disney's Wonderful World of Color. 12. Comic books were only 10 cents. 13. Baseball cards were a nickel a pack. 14. Your pals either had American Flyer Trains or the "other kind" with unrealistic 3-rail track and none of you would think of associating with the group that owned them. 15. Trains were only for Christmas, the rest of the year was for playing outside. 16. Your mom would open the door and call you for supper and woe be unto you if you were too far away to hear her. 17. You took responsibility for your actions and apologized when you misbehaved or you got your ears pinned back. 18. America had survived World War II and Korea. Americans supported their soldiers, took them into their homes when they were stationed far from home and actually welcomed them when they returned home.   And best of all, the minimum wage was under $2.00 per hour and you could feed a family of three, make a mortgage payment, and buy a used car for $50.00 and fix it yourself with a rope for a fan belt. My therapy is called "Cedar Smoke therapy" It comes from a bottle without a tax label.   Kindest regards and Happy Birthday. I'll be there at 59 in June.   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53319	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: Re: If not for trains.....

Have a nice birthday Stumpy,     My ex made fun of my Ham Radio stuff.  "Wires and sloppy fingers" she would say.   N9GUY some where in sumberia.  --- On Wed, 3/4/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] If not for trains..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 1:32 PM Happy Birthday, Young 'un! I, for one who turns 63 in a few weeks, needed to read what you had to say.Perspective is the name of the game. Good health, a partner who really cares about you and shares in your joy of life and understands what makes you tick  and still loves you after all of that makes all the difference in the world. Have a great day tomorrow and a healthy, happy year to come and, Stump, get rid of those damn diseals! Be well, Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> Subject: [S-Trains] If not for trains..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:45 AM If not for trains, I'd blow out my brains! With all the bad economic news and the ridiculous "pro this party or that party" e-mails I've been getting, I sometimes think I probably should just end it all! I was thinking about running down the list of what the 545 bought and paid for crooks in D.C. have done to us, but it makes me feel like we're all a bunch of Lemmings running for the edge of the cliff! And I turn 59 today...just one short of the big six oh. The bright spot for me is my trains! I work in S and On30, have a library of books, videos, and DVD about trains, and I'm on my second of three small layouts (4x8 or less) for displays this year. In my little world of playing with trains, the future is still bright! I have been thinking about making it a corporate policy to hire only people fatter than me to work on my railways. This will require reworking a lot of scale figures, but so be it. I have been thinking of "steamizing" my lines, thereby getting rid of the few diseasels I have and advancing into the past technologically. A nice Central American vacation may be in order for my On30 narrow gauge, so I'm considering a cruise to Costa Rialto, where the historic first Stupydium mines were opened. "Trains...where FUN is our most important product!" Stumpy Stone...playing with the ultimate stress reliever for too many years. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53320	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/15/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53321	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: RRMPA

The Rail Road Museum of Pennsylvania (RRMPA) will be featured at 8 PM Sunday evening (Tonight) on The Learning Channel's Jon & Kate + 8. (TLC) Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53322	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: newby

As a newby to this stuff I can only say that I prefer to buy the new stuff. Why should I buy a diesel that American Flyer  produced when I can get the same thing fron Flyonel with newer technology. Of course the Steam engines are a different story. However if they ever come out with I current steamers My original logic applies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53323	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/15/2009
Subject: 3/16 Day

Hugo has given Che the day off tomorrow in honor of 3/16 Day. There will be many celebrations on 3/16 at the D&R RR including the reading of the A C Gilbert Co charter and marketing plans over the years. There will be a huge bon fire that night, as they throw into the fire many of these things called GG-1's which I have no clue of what they are. LOL They will have a prayer service in the morning honoring the G. Fox Box car. Cat Stevens will be center stage singing Hard Headed Che. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53324	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: 2009 Flyonel engines and cars are now in TheGilbertGallery.org

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53325	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: 3/16

Happy 3/16 Day!!! Hope everyone will run their S- Trains Today

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53326	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Web site listing

I have been updating my web site and have a few more things listed on in my flyer section. I am also starting a list of items for sale. The web site is www.mwkiner.com <http://www.mwkiner.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53327	From: Rhett George	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: St. Gilbert's Day

- Bonjour - Bonjour, monSieurS et mam'SelleS. It is the day to celebrate the birthday anniversary of St. Gilbert. He is celebrated for taking the third rails out of his country and into the sea. {If you equate that heroic deed with ridding the country of lemmings and spell that species with an upper case L, you have l'cause celebre.] CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53328	From: Scottsfamilytree@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Listing of several American Flyer cars

Hi, I have a Northwestern 21808 Locomotive, it probably is in fair condition. American Flyer. I have a the Right way Central of Georgia 24026 Box car. Pretty good I have a Baker's Chocolate 24323 tank car. Pretty good. I had a garage sale, and got rid of most. For a pretty lousy sum. Most people look and really downgrade it. But I kept these three out. I would like to sell them. I could send pictures. I live in Palm Beach County, Florida. Another thing, a lot of the links that are listed on various train links , do not work. Scott **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53329	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: been around

Just new to the s-group. Been horsing around with S gauge for quite awhile. Never had any room for a layout as an adult. Had a layout when I was a kid in Chicago. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53330	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: 3/16

"New" 3/16 scale aircraft for the airport crowd-Lindberg has re-issued their B-58. Add that to Revell's 3/16 B-25. If Lindberg re-issues their JU-88 and HE-111, you can do the USAFM at Wright-Pat on your layout! - John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53331	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Calendar Continues

SUNDAY April 5th the Reading Co Technical & Historical Society (RCTHS) show takes place at the LEESPORT FARMERS MARKET, North end of Leesport, turn right off of Rt 61. Show runs 9 AM til 2 PM, $4.00 at the door. Tables available, BEST rate by March 31, call Dale @610-372-3759 or _dalem1955@..._ (_mailto:dalem1955@..._ (mailto:dalem1955@...) ) April 20, 21, 22 TWO Fire Hall Shows-- SPRINGETTESBURY Fire Hall @ 3013 E Market St in York (Rt 30 Bypass to Rt 24 exit TOWARD York, turn left onto E Market St. & RELIANCE (West York FD) 1341 W Market Street Rt 74 S to Highland to Market) BOTH OPEN 9 AM til 6 PM, NO Admission-- Open to Public Contact Fred @ 888-494-5821 or Barry @ 717-424-1308 for tables April 21 & 22, HOLIDOME (Holiday West) between Loucks Rd and Rt 74 N, Open to public BEST WESTERN Loucks off of Kenneth, N of Rt 30 Open to public Holiday/Billy Budd (IF open,) Rt 30 East at Torinita St. Open to public NO KNOWN Admission APRIL 23, 24, 25 EASTERN DIV-TCA Meet on YORK FAIRGROUNDS--TCA Members only, reputedly largest Members Only Show in world. Sundays June 5, July 26 & September 13 find the "Famous" Hamburg Dutch Train Meets", at the Hamburg Fire Co Field House, Fourth St in Hamburg, PA. $4.at the door. 9 AM til 1 PM. Contact Ralph @ 610-987-3144, tables available. Sunday September 20th, ORIGINAL Gilbertsville Train Show, Gilbertsville Fire Hall, Rt 73 East of Rt 100 8:30 AM til 1:30 PM, $3.00 Admission at door, Contact Mark @ 215-657-2477 for tables See you there, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53332	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Trying to reach Mike Rosz

Hi Mike, Sorry for this post. I have sent you 2 emails. Check your email preferences as I am either being blocked or being placed in your spam folder. Send me your phone number and I will call you. I am receiving your email messages. Ed Eckert 408-263-2482

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53333	From: J. Scott Mckay	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: American Flyer

Hi, I just put the pictures of the cars in the Photo section. American flyer 21806, Northwestern Engine, The Central of Georgia Box Car 24026 The Baker's Chocolate Tank car 24323 I just need a ball park figure. The Engine definitely neesd work. None of these cars have been on tracks for years. Scott McKay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53334	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: OOOPS-Calendar Correction

Directions to SPRINGETTESBURY Fire Hall, Should be RIGHT onto East Market Street from Rt 24, Fire Hall on Right. Jim Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53335	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: been around

Welcome Jack.  You'll find some very helpful members on here. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:39:48 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] been around Just new to the s-group. Been horsing around with S gauge for quite awhile. Never had any room for a layout as an adult. Had a layout when I was a kid in Chicago. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53336	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: AM Engine

I received my AM engine that I purchased in 1994 or so, back today. It does work now, as I never ran this engine till today, since I never had a layout before. I never realized that someday it would cost another 56 dollars to get it working when it was purchased new. It had a broken gear box and it seem that I shorted something out, when I tried to clean the wheels, hoping that might get it. It seems that the wheels have to go back a certain way, as I do know about the D bearings. I think the gear box is the metal truck frame that was broken all along. Oh well, as I tell Don Thompson, trains is almost like tropical fish, so I name thee new 1994 never run on a layout yet, AM engine, The Guppy. Now I will pack it up to send to Steve at SnS for conversion over to DCC. GO TERPS!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53337	From: Firewood	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: Future Value

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > You guys are making some good points with "Collecting in tough times".> Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains, and will until the day I'm looking at the grass from the root side. >And I thought we would all be buried in ballast overlaid with stinky creosote-soaked railroad ties......aaaaaaaah.... We can always check with the guy on Ebay who has some nice NASCAR-painted Marx for sale....... Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/16/2009
Subject: Re: AM Engine

Also, received with the engine besides a credit card receipt was a AM catolog. I glanced through it. My wife picked it up and started laughing really bad, as she showed me a picture of a transformer for sale by AM in the catolog. It had a quarter on the transformer and below it said "Quarter not included". Now I know why there is a quarter pictured on it, so show you the size of the transformer in relation to the size of the quarter, but it is quite comical. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53339	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Music in S-gauge car

Hi All, A while ago someone on the list asked about adding music to their S-gauge railroad. I don't recall the details but I do remember suggesting an MP3 player and add on speakers. Well, after suggesting it I thought it might actually be an interesting project. So I went ahead and built a “musical cattle car”. I selected a UP 994 car because it was an open slat car and I had it laying around. For all the folks worried about a nice 994 being hacked up... rest comfortably. This one has some chips and a missing brake wheel and actually there is nothing I did that can't be undone. First I stole my wife's I-pod Shuffle which I gave to her so she could sleep through my snoring.... but that is another story. Then I purchased a $10.00 external MP3 amp and speaker unit at the local Wally World. Next I got out the good old Dremel Tool and gutted the amp and speakers down to the basics. To finalize this project I removed the one screw holding the shell in place and after removing the shell I used Lo-Temp hot glue to mount the system on the chassis of the car. This I-pod can be accessed through the sliding door or more easily by simply lifting the shell. With an MP3 player you can use whatever sounds or music that you can find in that format. Just upload them to the player from your computer. Duke Ellington's “A Train” is good or at Christmas you might prefer The Tractors “Santa Claus is Coming in a Boogie Woogie Choo Choo Train” Since building this unit I have upgraded the speakers and certainly spending a bit more than the $10.00 I did on the amp and speaker part will give you better quality sound.. but I thought this was a fun start. Here is a photo of my project: http://clients.twildstudio.com/manderman/images/ipodincattlecar.jpg Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53340	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

I have quite a lot of AF rubber roadbed in need of some TLC. Does the group have any ideas on how to clean and restore it? Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53341	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

If you put some baffles on the back of your speakers you would get much better sound quality, especially in the lower frequency range. The simplest idea is to prevent air from the front of the speaker from flowing around to the back side. I use that size speaker in my TMCC conversions. I have found that the lids to hair mouse cans, 35mm film canisters, and the caps from vitamin products bottles are a perfect fit to keep the back side baffled. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Manderman@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Music in S-gauge car Hi All, A while ago someone on the list asked about adding music to their S-gauge railroad. I don't recall the details but I do remember suggesting an MP3 player and add on speakers. Well, after suggesting it I thought it might actually be an interesting project. So I went ahead and built a "musical cattle car". I selected a UP 994 car because it was an open slat car and I had it laying around. For all the folks worried about a nice 994 being hacked up... rest comfortably. This one has some chips and a missing brake wheel and actually there is nothing I did that can't be undone. First I stole my wife's I-pod Shuffle which I gave to her so she could sleep through my snoring.... but that is another story. Then I purchased a $10.00 external MP3 amp and speaker unit at the local Wally World. Next I got out the good old Dremel Tool and gutted the amp and speakers down to the basics. To finalize this project I removed the one screw holding the shell in place and after removing the shell I used Lo-Temp hot glue to mount the system on the chassis of the car. This I-pod can be accessed through the sliding door or more easily by simply lifting the shell. With an MP3 player you can use whatever sounds or music that you can find in that format. Just upload them to the player from your computer. Duke Ellington's "A Train" is good or at Christmas you might prefer The Tractors "Santa Claus is Coming in a Boogie Woogie Choo Choo Train" Since building this unit I have upgraded the speakers and certainly spending a bit more than the $10.00 I did on the amp and speaker part will give you better quality sound.. but I thought this was a fun start. Here is a photo of my project: http://clients. <http://clients.twildstudio.com/manderman/images/ipodincattlecar.jpg> twildstudio.com/manderman/images/ipodincattlecar.jpg Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53342	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > I have found that the > lids to hair mouse cans, What does a hair mouse can look like, exactly? I can't picture it. Does it look like a chocolate mouse can?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53343	From: michael prell	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby

Jack Not to rain on your parade, but......sometimes the "new technology" just doesn't cut it. Again, it's personal preference. Welcome to a great hobby! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] newby To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:16 PM As a newby to this stuff I can only say that I prefer to buy the new stuff. Why should I buy a diesel that American Flyer  produced when I can get the same thing fron Flyonel with newer technology. Of course the Steam engines are a different story. However if they ever come out with I current steamers My original logic applies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53344	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

Maybe you were referring to my question just before Christmas inquiring about a musical boxcar that played carols as the Lionel O gaugers have.  I was looking for a cheapo 9v music chip to install.  According to another recent post, Flyonel may be issuing an AF musical boxcar according to the latest Big L catalog.  You have taken the idea to a much higher level.  nice job! Jim EW. ----- Original Message ----- From: Manderman@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:06:55 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Music in S-gauge car Hi All, A while ago someone on the list asked about adding music to their S-gauge railroad. I don't recall the details but I do remember suggesting an MP3 player and add on speakers. Well, after suggesting it I thought it might actually be an interesting project. So I went ahead and built a “musical cattle car”. I selected a UP 994 car because it was an open slat car and I had it laying around. For all the folks worried about a nice 994 being hacked up... rest comfortably. This one has some chips and a missing brake wheel and actually there is nothing I did that can't be undone. First I stole my wife's I-pod Shuffle which I gave to her so she could sleep through my snoring.... but that is another story. Then I purchased a $10.00 external MP3 amp and speaker unit at the local Wally World. Next I got out the good old Dremel Tool and gutted the amp and speakers down to the basics. To finalize this project I removed the one screw holding the shell in place and after removing the shell I used Lo-Temp hot glue to mount the system on the chassis of the car. This I-pod can be accessed through the sliding door or more easily by simply lifting the shell. With an MP3 player you can use whatever sounds or music that you can find in that format. Just upload them to the player from your computer. Duke Ellington's “A Train” is good or at Christmas you might prefer The Tractors “Santa Claus is Coming in a Boogie Woogie Choo Choo Train” Since building this unit I have upgraded the speakers and certainly spending a bit more than the $10.00 I did on the amp and speaker part will give you better quality sound.. but I thought this was a fun start. Here is a photo of my project: http://clients.twildstudio.com/manderman/images/ipodincattlecar.jpg Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53345	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

I have tried different brands of rubber restorer stuff to no good effect. I even tried warming it with a heat gun. From my primitive experiments, I concluded the batch I had was just too old and was pretty much unusable, so when I did a small Flyer layout a few years back I just bought the new Johnson stuff. It is still flexible today, although the layout is long gone. The mileage of others may vary, and I will watch replies to your post with interest. Roy Inman on 3/17/09 6:16 AM, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth at scottishshop@... wrote: > > > > I have quite a lot of AF rubber roadbed in need of some TLC. Does the > group have any ideas on how to clean and restore it? > > Regards, > John Harvey > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53346	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth wrote: > > > I have quite a lot of AF rubber roadbed in need of some TLC. Does the > group have any ideas on how to clean and restore it? I had bought a bunch of used roadbed that was faded and some of it was grey. After carefully washing it is the kitchen sink using dish detergent, after it dried I used some Sem brand black vinyl paint to restore it to like new shininess. The Sem vinyl paint is sold in many auto parts stores for restoring faded vinyl in automobiles. You can also get it in quart cans at many auto paint suppliers if you have a compressor and spray gun. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53347	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

Roy Inman wrote: > > I just bought the new > Johnson stuff. It is still flexible today, although the layout is long gone. Question, there was some discussion of the Johnson's getting out of the roadbed business on the list some time back. I see the web site is still active, http://www.roadbed.net/ Are they still in business? I was looking for some roadbed for the K-Line 54 inch radius curves and most of the usuals no longer had any. I finally found a fellow that had a box of it left so I bought all he had. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53348	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby

Jack, I notice that many on this list have had different experiences with the Flyonel stuff. My own personal experience has been only positive. However, I am one of those who has grabbed the new technology with both hands and both feet :) Well, so to speak. Lionel DOES make new AF steam engines. I have the Mikado and the FEF (Greyhound) Northern, and am pleased with both. I also have several Flyonel diesels. I will point out that they all run better on TMCC. And the smoke is better on TMCC because the transformer remains cranked up to high voltage. One of our club members was running his Mikado on our portion of the Union Station Kansas City¹s Holiday Village layout, and a Lionel O gauge guy came by with a TMCC unit. Proved to our club member how much better the engine runs on TMCC. Regarding quality control, I see problems across the board with all manufacturers, not just Lionel/American Flyer. MTH, Atlas, Third Rail, etc., etc., produce stuff that sometimes doesn¹t run brand new and just out of the box. So it is not just Lionel, it is everyone. And no doubt the advanced, more complex electronic gear inside are at least partly to blame for problems. Offshore factories are another part of the problem for a variety of reasons. But on balance, I am with you in that I prefer the new vs. the old. The paint and finishing on the new equipment is light years ahead of anything Gilbert or any other manufacturer of the earlier eras produced. There is a certain beauty, however, in the simplicity and ³can¹t kill it with a stick² charm to the original Gilbert equipment. I love to watch OTHERS run theirs :) You can get some good deals on the older equipment. Welcome aboard, and I might suggest that you consider joining the National Association of S Gaugers (www.nasg.org). A good outfit, produces an excellent quarterly magazine, and a great way to connect. Pretty cheap dues as well. Roy Inman on 3/17/09 7:52 AM, michael prell at mlprell@... wrote: > > > > Jack > Not to rain on your parade, but......sometimes the "new technology" just > doesn't cut it. Again, it's personal preference. Welcome to a great hobby! > Mike > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@... > <mailto:nowofinance%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@... <mailto:nowofinance%40yahoo.com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] newby > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:16 PM > > As a newby to this stuff I can only say that I prefer to buy the new > stuff. Why should I buy a diesel that American Flyer  produced when I > can get the same thing fron Flyonel with newer technology. Of course the > Steam engines are a different story. However if they ever come out with > I current steamers My original logic applies. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53349	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

Hi John, For the rubber roadbed, I've had good luck with something called Johnson's Bleche-White, which is a product made for automobile tires. You should be able to find it at an auto accessory store. You have to use it outside, and be careful when using it. You spray it on, and let it sit, then either use a soft scrub brush for extremely dirty items, or just wash it off, if it's not that badly soiled. Rinse well, and dry it with an old terry cloth towel. Since it's made for rubber, and the roadbed is rubber.... Just one way to skin the proverbial cat. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@...> wrote: > > I have quite a lot of AF rubber roadbed in need of some TLC. Does the > group have any ideas on how to clean and restore it? > > Regards, > John Harvey > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53350	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

Great idea. I think I will try adding baffles. I assume the sound would also be a bit more directional. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:25:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Music in S-gauge car If you put some baffles on the back of your speakers you would get much better sound quality, especially in the lower frequency range. The simplest idea is to prevent air from the front of the speaker from flowing around to the back side. I use that size speaker in my TMCC conversions. I have found that the lids to hair mouse cans, 35mm film canisters, and the caps from vitamin products bottles are a perfect fit to keep the back side baffled. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Manderman@... Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Music in S-gauge car Hi All, A while ago someone on the list asked about adding music to their S-gauge railroad. I don't recall the details but I do remember suggesting an MP3 player and add on speakers. Well, after suggesting it I thought it might actually be an interesting project. So I went ahead and built a "musical cattle car". I selected a UP 994 car because it was an open slat car and I had it laying around. For all the folks worried about a nice 994 being hacked up... rest comfortably. This one has some chips and a missing brake wheel and actually there is nothing I did that can't be undone. First I stole my wife's I-pod Shuffle which I gave to her so she could sleep through my snoring.... but that is another story. Then I purchased a $10.00 external MP3 amp and speaker unit at the local Wally World. Next I got out the good old Dremel Tool and gutted the amp and speakers down to the basics. To finalize this project I removed the one screw holding the shell in place and after removing the shell I used Lo-Temp hot glue to mount the system on the chassis of the car. This I-pod can be accessed through the sliding door or more easily by simply lifting the shell. With an MP3 player you can use whatever sounds or music that you can find in that format. Just upload them to the player from your computer. Duke Ellington's "A Train" is good or at Christmas you might prefer The Tractors "Santa Claus is Coming in a Boogie Woogie Choo Choo Train" Since building this unit I have upgraded the speakers and certainly spending a bit more than the $10.00 I did on the amp and speaker part will give you better quality sound.. but I thought this was a fun start. Here is a photo of my project: http://clients. < http://clients.twildstudio.com/manderman/images/ipodincattlecar.jpg > twildstudio.com/manderman/images/ipodincattlecar.jpg Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53351	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby

Yes, I know. I recently purchased a CMStP & P Pacific from American Models and one of the pilot wheels fell off when I removed the Loco from the box. I asked for a replacement pilot wheel and received one that was not red and did not go with the loco I purchased. You would have thought that American Models would know that they sent me a loco with red pilot wheels and not the black one. Anyway, I didn't persue it so I now have a Pacific with a wheel that falls of f (although it hasn't done it recently). Jack --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] newby To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:03 AM Jack, I notice that many on this list have had different experiences with the Flyonel stuff. My own personal experience has been only positive. However, I am one of those who has grabbed the new technology with both hands and both feet :) Well, so to speak. Lionel DOES make new AF steam engines. I have the Mikado and the FEF (Greyhound) Northern, and am pleased with both. I also have several Flyonel diesels. I will point out that they all run better on TMCC. And the smoke is better on TMCC because the transformer remains cranked up to high voltage. One of our club members was running his Mikado on our portion of the Union Station Kansas City¹s Holiday Village layout, and a Lionel O gauge guy came by with a TMCC unit. Proved to our club member how much better the engine runs on TMCC. Regarding quality control, I see problems across the board with all manufacturers, not just Lionel/American Flyer. MTH, Atlas, Third Rail, etc., etc., produce stuff that sometimes doesn¹t run brand new and just out of the box. So it is not just Lionel, it is everyone. And no doubt the advanced, more complex electronic gear inside are at least partly to blame for problems. Offshore factories are another part of the problem for a variety of reasons. But on balance, I am with you in that I prefer the new vs. the old. The paint and finishing on the new equipment is light years ahead of anything Gilbert or any other manufacturer of the earlier eras produced. There is a certain beauty, however, in the simplicity and ³can¹t kill it with a stick² charm to the original Gilbert equipment. I love to watch OTHERS run theirs :) You can get some good deals on the older equipment. Welcome aboard, and I might suggest that you consider joining the National Association of S Gaugers (www.nasg.org) . A good outfit, produces an excellent quarterly magazine, and a great way to connect. Pretty cheap dues as well. Roy Inman on 3/17/09 7:52 AM, michael prell at mlprell@yahoo. com wrote: > > > > Jack > Not to rain on your parade, but......sometimes the "new technology" just > doesn't cut it. Again, it's personal preference. Welcome to a great hobby! > Mike > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ yahoo.com > <mailto:nowofinance %40yahoo. com> > wrote: > > From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ yahoo.com <mailto:nowofinance %40yahoo. com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] newby > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:16 PM > > As a newby to this stuff I can only say that I prefer to buy the new > stuff. Why should I buy a diesel that American Flyer  produced when I > can get the same thing fron Flyonel with newer technology. Of course the > Steam engines are a different story. However if they ever come out with > I current steamers My original logic applies. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53352	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

JRR has ceased production of roadbed, and the business is for sale. They still have some O-gauge roadbed left in stock, but NO S-gauge roadbed at all. I'm aware of at leas two different individuals who have discussed the business purchase with JRR, but both have declined to proceed, at this time. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > Roy Inman wrote: > > Question, there was some discussion of the Johnson's getting out of the > roadbed business on the list some time back. I see the web site is > still active, http://www.roadbed.net/ > > Are they still in business? I was looking for some roadbed for the > K-Line 54 inch radius curves and most of the usuals no longer had any. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53353	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby

It cuts it for me; although I sometime agree with you. The original 370 switcher that I have is a dog compared to the one flyonel made. --- On Tue, 3/17/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] newby To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 7:52 AM Jack Not to rain on your parade, but......sometimes the "new technology" just doesn't cut it. Again, it's personal preference. Welcome to a great hobby! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] newby To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:16 PM As a newby to this stuff I can only say that I prefer to buy the new stuff. Why should I buy a diesel that American Flyer  produced when I can get the same thing fron Flyonel with newer technology. Of course the Steam engines are a different story. However if they ever come out with I current steamers My original logic applies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53354	From: Paul	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

Why would a chocolate mouse or even a moose need a can? I thought they were wrapped in colorful foil like a chocolate Easter bunny, or in a box.... Matthew Perks wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > > I have found that the > > lids to hair mouse cans, > > What does a hair mouse can look like, exactly? I can't picture it. > Does it look like a chocolate mouse can? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53355	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer

is the 21806 same as 287 not  a smoking steam engine. I could not find any photos.  Just engine and car no track etc? --- On Mon, 3/16/09, J. Scott Mckay <Scottsfamilytree@...> wrote: From: J. Scott Mckay <Scottsfamilytree@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:33 PM Hi, I just put the pictures of the cars in the Photo section. American flyer 21806, Northwestern Engine, The Central of Georgia Box Car 24026 The Baker's Chocolate Tank car 24323 I just need a ball park figure. The Engine definitely neesd work. None of these cars have been on tracks for years. Scott McKay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53356	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

Yes, the business is for sale. The Johnsons are not having any more produced. There are still some small quantities available, but a person has to contact them directly for availability. Roy Inman on 3/17/09 9:56 AM, George Cohn at gwcohn@... wrote: > > > > Roy Inman wrote: >> > >> > I just bought the new >> > Johnson stuff. It is still flexible today, although the layout is long >> gone. > > Question, there was some discussion of the Johnson's getting out of the > roadbed business on the list some time back. I see the web site is > still active, http://www.roadbed.net/ > > Are they still in business? I was looking for some roadbed for the > K-Line 54 inch radius curves and most of the usuals no longer had any. > > I finally found a fellow that had a box of it left so I bought all he had. > > George Cohn > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53357	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

I have seen some in the store and it was stiff.  I was not sure if it could come off the track. --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@...> wrote: From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 6:16 AM I have quite a lot of AF rubber roadbed in need of some TLC. Does the group have any ideas on how to clean and restore it? Regards, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53358	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

Well I have never seen a chocolate mousse can, but the lid for a hair mousse can looks a lot like a 35mm film canister except they are not black. http://www.mwkiner.com/af/speaker_baffles.jpg click on the link above, the one on the left is a mousse can lid, and the one on the right is a vitamin lid. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Music in S-gauge car --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > I have found that the > lids to hair mouse cans, What does a hair mouse can look like, exactly? I can't picture it. Does it look like a chocolate mouse can? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53359	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: newby

Dear Jack, You might not want to be too hard on poor Ron. Since J.P. Morgan took over our builder, spare parts are not a high priority. I would suspect they did not have red pilot wheels, but sent you what they had in stock. Although spare parts are part of our proposal for each item we have produced, lately, we get few if any spare parts and for those that we really need, they are no longer free. Best regards, Don PS J.P Morgan sold out to Kader Industries in December. Things might be looking up... On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Jack Nowosielski wrote: > ... You would have thought that American Models would know that they > sent me a loco with red pilot wheels and not the black one. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53360	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer

Maybe you mean 21808 C&NW Baldwin switcher Diesel... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/17/2009 11:02:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mikenguy9@... writes: is the 21806 same as 287 not a smoking steam engine. I could not find any photos. Just engine and car no track etc? --- On Mon, 3/16/09, J. Scott Mckay <_Scottsfamilytree@Scottsf_ (mailto:Scottsfamilytree@...) > wrote: From: J. Scott Mckay <_Scottsfamilytree@Scottsf_ (mailto:Scottsfamilytree@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Trai_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:33 PM Hi, I just put the pictures of the cars in the Photo section. American flyer 21806, Northwestern Engine, The Central of Georgia Box Car 24026 The Baker's Chocolate Tank car 24323 I just need a ball park figure. The Engine definitely neesd work. None of these cars have been on tracks for years. Scott McKay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53361	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Cleaning Roadbed - While Wife is Away

One way to clean roadbed is the handy dishwasher. The roadbed comes out clean and flexible. Avoid the dry cycle! But make sure the wife is not home and you have time to clean the dishwasher before she gets back! BG1 (Use this method at your own risk!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53362	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning Roadbed - While Wife is Away

Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > One way to clean roadbed is the handy dishwasher. The roadbed comes out > clean and flexible. Avoid the dry cycle! But make sure the wife is not > home and you have time to clean the dishwasher before she gets back! Also works great for cleaning carburetors and other car parts! The part about doing it before wifey comes home is great advice! ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53363	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/17/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

Dear Mark, Robin said that the hair stuff has an extra "s" as in "mousse'. Don PS Unless this is a product for rodent that I am not aware. On Mar 17, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Matthew Perks wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > > I have found that the > > lids to hair mouse cans, > > What does a hair mouse can look like, exactly? I can't picture it. > Does it look like a chocolate mouse can? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53364	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: 751 Log Loader Part Needed

Does anyone know where I can get the small pulley that goes on the "front" of the 751 log loader that the string or line runs through to pull the carriage? I just have a round hole there where it used to be and the pulley itself is missing. No internet vendor seems to have it. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53365	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: FW: [TCA_members_group] SE Michigan Train Shows (and some others)

Hi Folks, I received this note on another list. It looks as if the Michigan bunch is having their own Spree on the same weekend as the Ohio bunch? I'm hoping that the address is a misprint and that there is only one Spree. If not, I wonder if the arch enemies of the S community are the members of the S community. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of franktrainman Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:04 PM To: TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TCA_members_group] SE Michigan Train Shows (and some others) This is train show listing put together by Vaughn Chesters of the Ford Model Railroad Club in Dearborn. The club will be exhibiting this Sunday at the Redford Model Railroad Club Show at the Costic Center (see listing). Some sellers must think there will be buyers as we are restricted as to how many modules we can set up. The reason being so many tables were sold which is great. It was the same situation last year. Michigan has the highest unemployment rate in the USA but people evidently are still buying and selling trains. Maybe it is really a matter of selling trains to pay the mortgage. Buy a car or truck by an American manufacturer and help us out. Special note for "S" gagers. There is a show for you in Dearborn, MI April 30 &May 1, 2009 and it is held at Ford Community & Performing Arts Center, a very nice new facility my property taxes are paying for. Posting it to the group means Yahoo messes up the formatting of the list. If you want a copy with a better formatting, e-mail me directly and I will send it to you. Best regards, Frank Corley, P.E. frank@americanrail. <mailto:frank%40americanrail.com> com +++++++++++++++++++++ Farmington Hills, MI March 22, 2009 FMRC to set up at this show Redford Model Railroad Club Trainorama Extra Costick Community Center 28600 11 Mile Road redfordmodelrailroadclub.com 10am-4pm Adults $4, under 12 free Info: Pierre Willermet 36123 Roycroft Livonia, MI 48154 734-953-2546 or pierre@hbc-benefits <mailto:pierre%40hbc-benefitsandeducation.com> andeducation.com ++++++++++++++++++++ Mount Pleasant, MI March 29, 2009 Mid Michigan Model Train Show & Flee Market Finch Fieldhouse on the campus of Central Michigan University 11:00 am to 4:00 pm $4.00 per person kids under 10 free For info: Call: Larry Lewis 989-386-6987 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Madison Heights, MI April 5, 2009 Madison Heights Toy Train Sale United Food and Commercial Workers Hall 876 Horace Brown Drive, 48071 10:00 am to 2:00 pm $3.00 per person For info: Call: Bob Burgee 586-752-1839 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Port Huron, MI April 26, 2009 Huron Modeler Railroad Show & Swap Meet 701 McMorran Blvd 48060 10:00 am to 4:00 pm $5.00 per person, children 5 and under are free Fred Cesefske 810-385-8815 between 4:00pm & 9:30pm ++++++++++++++++++++++ Dearborn, MI April 30 & May 1, 2009 Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers 2010 Spring "S" Spree Ford Community & Performing Arts Center 15801 Michigan Ave. 48126 (next to the Amtrak Station) For info: Email Earl Carlsen or Tom Hawley- Friday 10:00 am to 8:00 pm Saturday 8:00 am to 4:00 pm $20.00 per family / covers both days Visit: SMSGTrains Website +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Durand, MI May 17, 2009 Durand Railroad Days - Model Train Show & Flea Market 200 S. Railroad St. For info: Call or E-Mail: Joe Rathbun 989-723-1398- 11:00 am to 4:00 pm $3.00 per person, children under 10 are free Visit: Durand Station Website +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Scottsdale, Arizona June 28-July 5, 2009 55th Annual TCA National Convention hosted by the Desert Division http://www.tcamembe <http://www.tcamembers.org/newsandevents/nationalconvention.htm> rs.org/newsandevents/nationalconvention.htm ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hartford, CT July 5 - 11, 2009 2009 NMRA National Convention http://www.nmra <http://www.nmra.org/convention/> org/convention/ ++++++++++++++++++++++ Redford, MI July 19, 2009 St Robert Bellarmine "Trains in the Park" Inkster at West Chicago 11:00 am to 3:00 pm $3 person/ $6 family 313-937-1670 John avery +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chicago, Illinois August 10 - 15, 2009 TTOS National Convention Marriott Chicago O'Hare 8535 W. Higgins Road 60631 www.ttos.org 773-714-4200 ++++++++++++++++++++++ Mt Clemens, MI November 1, 2009 Gratiot Valley Model Railroad Club Gibraltar Trade Center 237 North River Road 10am-4pm Adult $5.50, under 12 free 586-468-4877 www.gvrr.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++ East Lansing, MI November 22, 2009 Lansing Model Railroad Club Train Show & Sale Michigan State University Pavilion Farm Lane, Forest & College www.lmrc.org Michael Frezell 517-321-6776 10:00 am to 4:00 pm $6.00 per person children under 12 are free scouts in uniform are free (evenings only) or Ron St.Laurent 517-347-1831 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Westland, MI November 29, 2009 Railroadiana Toys & Trains SS. Simon & Jude Hall, 32500 Palmer Rd. 12:00 am to 4:00 pm $2.00 per person, $4.00 per family $15.00 per person for early birds (after 11:00 am) 734-595-8327 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ West Bloomfield, MI December 6, 2009 St. Mary's Train Show & Sale St. Mary's Athletic Complex Commerce Road & Orchard Lake Road 10:00 am to 4:00 pm aknight@stmarysprep <mailto:aknight%40stmarysprep.com> .com $4.00 per person, students under 12 free For info: Call or E-Mail: 248-683-0545 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Warren, MI March 7, 2010 Gratiot Valley Model Railroad Club Macomb Community College "Sports & Expo Center" 14500 E 12 Mile Rd 48088 10am-4pm Adult $5.50, under 12 free 586-468-4877 www.gvrr.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Baltimore, Maryland June 19-26, 2010 56th Annual TCA National Convention hosted by the Washington, Baltimore & Annapolis Chapter http://www.tcamembe <http://www.tcamembers.org/newsandevents/> rs.org/newsandevents/ nationalconvention.htm +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milwaukee, WI July 10 - 18, 2010 2010 NMRA National Convention (75th anniversary of the NMRA) http://www.nmra75 <http://www.nmra75.org> org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Vancouver, BC August 2010 TTOS National Convention www.ttos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Warren, MI November 7, 2010 Gratiot Valley Model Railroad Club Macomb Community College "Sports & Expo Center" 14500 E 12 Mile Rd 48088 10am-4pm Adult $5.50, under 12 free 586-468-4877 www.gvrr.org August 2011 Open date TTOS National Convention www.ttos.org +++++++++++++++++++++ Sacramento, CA July 3 - 9, 2011 2011 NMRA National Convention http://www.nmra <http://www.nmra.org/convention/> org/convention/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Grand Rapids, MI. Jul 29 - Aug 4, 2012 2012 NMRA National Convention http://www.nmra <http://www.nmra.org/convention/> org/convention/ +++++++++++++++++++++++ August 2012 Phoenix, AZ TTOS National Convention www.ttos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Atlanta, GA July 14-20, 2013 2013 NMRA National Convention http://www.nmra <http://www.nmra.org/convention/> org/convention/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53366	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Part Needed

Normally, I think we ALL have that item ! It's the large crane hook also used on 644/944 cranes, on Electomagnetic cranes, etc. However, right now, I think we're all having problems obtaining repros. I probably have an original or two around here, but no repros. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boguscop1953" <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get the small pulley that goes on the "front" of the 751 log loader that the string or line runs through to pull the carriage? I just have a round hole there where it used to be and the pulley itself is missing. No internet vendor seems to have it. > Thanks in advance. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53367	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: S Spree dates for TWO DIFFERENT YEARS

List: These Sprees are two different years, same weekend. Cleveland Spree is this year 2009 and SE Michigan Spree is 2010. BTW, 2010 wil be the first year for the Michigan club. This just shows to go you that S gaugers in Ohio and Michigan DO COOPERATE and ARE NOT enemies as posts below indicate!! Alan Evans Central Ohio S Gaugers Host of 2011 S Spree _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] FW: [TCA_members_group] SE Michigan Train Shows (and some others) Hi Folks, I received this note on another list. It looks as if the Michigan bunch is having their own Spree on the same weekend as the Ohio bunch? I'm hoping that the address is a misprint and that there is only one Spree. If not, I wonder if the arch enemies of the S community are the members of the S community. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: TCA_members_ <mailto:TCA_members_group%40yahoogroups.com> group@yahoogroups.com Special note for "S" gagers. There is a show for you in Dearborn, MI April 30 &May 1, 2009 and it is held at Ford Community & Performing Arts Center, a very nice new facility my property taxes are paying for. info: Call or E-Mail: Joe Rathbun 989-723-1398- 11:00 am to 4:00 pm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53368	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Spree dates for TWO DIFFERENT YEARS

Thanks Alan, I did not say they are enemies - I asked a question and I missed the year. Curiously, I grew up in Dearborn and I am going back there to visit after the Spree in Ohio. Now, I have a good reason to visit again, next year. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Evans Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Spree dates for TWO DIFFERENT YEARS List: These Sprees are two different years, same weekend. Cleveland Spree is this year 2009 and SE Michigan Spree is 2010. ................................. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53369	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Cleaning and Restoring Rubber Roadbed

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@...> wrote: > > I have quite a lot of AF rubber roadbed in need of some TLC. Does the > group have any ideas on how to clean and restore it? > > Regards, > John Harvey If the roadbed is just dirty and is still pliable, I have had good results by cleaning with warm water and dishwasher soap. After drying, I then sprayed the roadbed with a product called 303 Aerospace Protectant. It is for rubber products, is non-toxic and non-flammable. It restores the roadbed to a nice sheen, but not glossy like ArmorAll. I found it at my local boat dealer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53370	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: newby

I tend to agree with you. However, when I received the Loco the wheels looked awful dirty to me. So when I questioned this (because I thought they sent me a used or returned loco) I was told that their test track was dirty. Seems to me that when they tested the loco they should have noticed that one of the wheels on the pilot falls off. Unless they broke this wheel to begin with, but then why send me a replacement pilot wheel for a different steamer. Jack --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] newby To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:26 PM Dear Jack, You might not want to be too hard on poor Ron. Since J.P. Morgan took over our builder, spare parts are not a high priority. I would suspect they did not have red pilot wheels, but sent you what they had in stock. Although spare parts are part of our proposal for each item we have produced, lately, we get few if any spare parts and for those that we really need, they are no longer free. Best regards, Don PS J.P Morgan sold out to Kader Industries in December. Things might be looking up... On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Jack Nowosielski wrote: > ... You would have thought that American Models would know that they > sent me a loco with red pilot wheels and not the black one. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53371	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Big L

The Good: After one week on the cane I am getting around pretty good. The hip seems to be 100% healed. The Bad: The knee is very stiff and painful even after the cortisone injection. I may go back to the doctor to see where we go from here. The Big "L": Big L has effectively priced me out of their market. The latest pricing for rolling stock has increased from $59.95/car in 2008 to $69.95/car in 2009 (approximate 17% increase). Neither my income nor inflation has increased 17% since last year so whats' up with that? I can buy a large amount of AM, SHS and old AF/Flyonel rolling stock for far less than $70/car including delivery, so thanks – but no thanks Big L. BG1 (Enjoying the warm weather but not the morning fog in Katy)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53372	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Music in S-gauge car

Not the Micky Mousse -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Music in S-gauge car Dear Mark, Robin said that the hair stuff has an extra "s" as in "mousse'. Don PS Unless this is a product for rodent that I am not aware. On Mar 17, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Matthew Perks wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > > I have found that the > > lids to hair mouse cans, > > What does a hair mouse can look like, exactly? I can't picture it. > Does it look like a chocolate mouse can? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53373	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer

hi Scott; from Greenberg 2007 book, the engine is $50.00 and up, but you said need work. What type of work? only in 1958 24026 $32.and up only '58 24323 $34.00 and up '58 &59 ____________________________________________________________ Purify your water with professional water treatment. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTK8PIrhOCb063zf3FCyjqXiBpopG7a3GdF4eP8Hq76EIqmVlCLiU4/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53374	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Noisy Transformer

Not sure of 15b. but I had a hum. look underneath and if there are screws there try to tighten them. That was my problem, but mins was not 15b.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53375	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Collecting in tough times

Yes! and I like running my trains that way. ____________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53376	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: St. Gilbert's Day

My catholic friends never heard of a feast day for a Saint Gilbert. But what do they know. ____________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53377	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: been around

Another voice from Chicago, I went to Steinmetz High Schoo. and had a 4x8 board in the basement on Pontiac ave it was against the wall and had to have help to put it on the table when I wanted to operate. I had a passenger station but only freight cars. My parent were not thinking.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53378	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Strange e-mails

Could one of the list mods contact me off-line? I have a question about some strange e-mails that appear to come from one of the list members. Thanks. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53379	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Trying to reach Mike Rosz

I will look

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53380	From: Scottsfamilytree@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: American Flyer

Hi, all: hopefully this afternoon, I will have the pictures taken. The engine is not in good shape, you will see from picture. I have seen the Bakers chocolate tanker priced as high as $350.00, and that was several years ago. None of you guys live in Palm Beach, Broward Florida area? hi Scott; from Greenberg 2007 book, the engine is $50.00 and up, but you said need work. What type of work? only in 1958 24026 $32.and up only '58 24323 $34.00 and up '58 &59 ____________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53381	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

Jay Walsh? Block his address and that is done with. Ignore him, if you don't. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails Could one of the list mods contact me off-line? I have a question about some strange e-mails that appear to come from one of the list members. Thanks. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53382	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Big L

BG, you're not alone.  Just got my copies of the Big L catalog from my local train shop.  Lionel's "VISION" certainly isn't in line with my "vision", or my checkbook.  Both their O gauge stuff and Flyer items are pretty steep, though the U33C is enticing.  BTW, does anyone know if their re-issue of the handcar a reversing model, like the old 742?  Looks like a reversing rod sticking out from the undercarriage. Overall, looks to me like O gaugers would all be headed over to the K-Line line.  (Is there an echo in here? :)  ) Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:27:45 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, the Bad and the Big L The Good: After one week on the cane I am getting around pretty good. The hip seems to be 100% healed. The Bad: The knee is very stiff and painful even after the cortisone injection. I may go back to the doctor to see where we go from here. The Big "L": Big L has effectively priced me out of their market. The latest pricing for rolling stock has increased from $59.95/car in 2008 to $69.95/car in 2009 (approximate 17% increase). Neither my income nor inflation has increased 17% since last year so whats' up with that? I can buy a large amount of AM, SHS and old AF/Flyonel rolling stock for far less than $70/car including delivery, so thanks – but no thanks Big L. BG1 (Enjoying the warm weather but not the morning fog in Katy) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53383	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

If it is Jay Walsh or comes from Polpolk9, he's a crank. Block him. The last thing you want to do is get into a back-n-forth with him. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > Could one of the list mods contact me off-line? I have a question about > some strange e-mails that appear to come from one of the list members. > > Thanks. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53384	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Part Needed

Thanks, all, Doug was able to "hook" me up with one....... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > Normally, I think we ALL have that item ! It's the large crane hook also used on 644/944 cranes, on Electomagnetic cranes, etc. However, right now, I think we're all having problems obtaining repros. I probably have an original or two around here, but no repros. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby > www.flyerparts.com > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boguscop1953" <boguscop1953@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where I can get the small pulley that goes on the "front" of the 751 log loader that the string or line runs through to pull the carriage? I just have a round hole there where it used to be and the pulley itself is missing. No internet vendor seems to have it. > > Thanks in advance. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53385	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Big L

Dear Bull, All of our prices from the same factory in China went up 21% in the last 4 months. That is what happened. Don On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > The Good: After one week on the cane I am getting around pretty > good. The hip seems to be 100% healed. > > The Bad: The knee is very stiff and painful even after the cortisone > injection. I may go back to the doctor to see where we go from here. > > The Big "L": Big L has effectively priced me out of their market. > The latest pricing for rolling stock has increased from $59.95/car > in 2008 to $69.95/car in 2009 (approximate 17% increase). Neither my > income nor inflation has increased 17% since last year so whats' up > with that? I can buy a large amount of AM, SHS and old AF/Flyonel > rolling stock for far less than $70/car including delivery, so > thanks � but no thanks Big L. > > BG1 (Enjoying the warm weather but not the morning fog in Katy) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53386	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Atlas Industrial PRR E-6 4-4-2

Yesterday I received my brand new Atlas O Industrial Rail PRR E-6 - the one mentioned on this forum many times before. I bought it off ebay to evaluate the possibilities of converting it to S gauge. This kind of thing interests me as I have made a couple dozen custom S Gauge steam engines (see Al Baker's Customs in PHOTO section). If anyone has already done this, or evaluated the possibility, I would dearly love to hear from you. First let me say, it is a very nice looking locomotive and tender. Realizing that we are not dealing with a $2000 locomotive from River Raisin, it is nicely detailed. And by the way it runs very good on my loop of 0-31 track, and smokes terrifically! I haven't tried the whistle or bell yet. Next, good news is that it is very definitely S Gauge size - both engine & tender. I have two custom made S Gauge PRR E-6's. One made from custom plastic boiler by Ballston Locomotive Works, the other I made by cutting down and modifying a K-5(see photos in PHOTO section). The Atlas loco is, if anything, very slightly smaller than the other two! Also, it is not bigger than the AF 300 series Atlantics. So very definitely from a size standpoint, we have something very nicely to work with. It wasn't real difficult to take apart - I slipped out the motor/chassis assembly. The wheel spacing between the drivers (centers) is exactly the same as AF Atlantics, but the Atlas drivers are bigger in diameter. I feel quite confident That the AF Atlantic motor/chassis can be made to fit inside, but one of the small 0-8-0 can motors from SnS would be needed space-wise. Also, the motor mounting flange on the chassis, may have to be filed down a few thousandths on each side, to get it all inside the boiler casting. There will be lots of work needed using JB Weld and metal to design motor mounts, front & rear. Having an AF style smoke unit may or may not be possible - I wouldn't know for sure about that one until one really got into it. The cylinders and pilot are molded into the boiler casting. The original Atlas drive rods and valve gear can likely be used as is. A mounting for the leading wheels would need to be designed, and I suggest from a space standpoint, that a truck from an AF 350 series be used. Regarding the tender, the Atlas tender is about the same width as an AF plastic Atlantic/Pacific tender, but it is about a quarter inch shorter in length. So I would be inclined to take a chassis from an AF plastic Atlantic/Pacific tender, reduce the length and it should work after some suitable mounting arrangement is added. So my thinjking is, that this engine definitely could be converted to S, however, it would be in my opinion, a be a pretty major project. So, if I get brave and ambitious in the next couple weeks, I might dig into this project, and hope for the best! Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53387	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer

Illinois now. 1950's Fort Lauderdale is where I spent summer with My Grandparents. returned to Chicago in 68 for the blizzard. ____________________________________________________________ Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMLIpN4oiGTgWEw9FYlPpMMZ5ZNMsIFjMdO3xDtWN2MAZorpvjLmo/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53388	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Industrial PRR E-6 4-4-2

Al, I also looked at the ATLAS 4-4-2 at York last Fall. You looked in a different perspective than I, probably more practical than I. Scale the wheels before outright giving up on them, same with the tender. PRR had various size tenders, including the monster "COAST to Coast", that was at least as long (in pictures) as the K-4s it was connected to. Most were much smaller, many crews thought TOO much smaller. Jim "livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle In a message dated 3/18/2009 5:42:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, albaker33@... writes: Yesterday I received my brand new Atlas O Industrial Rail PRR E-6 - the one mentioned on this forum many times before. I bought it off ebay to evaluate the possibilities of converting it to S gauge. This kind of thing interests me as I have made a couple dozen custom S Gauge steam engines (see Al Baker's Customs in PHOTO section). If anyone has already done this, or evaluated the possibility, I would dearly love to hear from you. ................ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53389	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: 3/16

I would have but my high school alumni had it monthly meeting Monday.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53390	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs

BETTER THE STEP CHILD THAN THE ORPHAN. THE ADOPTED MIKE ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEuJA0bTC0VJMIfZcCRLb38pODQ9g0bVYQS4IQeUnFd8ZyL2Khzfa/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53391	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

This guy has a thing about AMERICAN MADE American Flyer. He does not like the come from where ever stuff. He usually offers stuff for sale. but try to buy it . I do not know it he just does it for attention, but I tried getting some stuff and he does not respond to those e-mails, but come up with another offer. I take that back I did buy an engine 290 maybe he said link, I like link couplers, when it arrived it was converted to knuckle, I emailed him and he said return it he would change it and I did not know if I should. So now I need some knucouplers. Maybe it was last March. ____________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard from anywhere! Click here for great deals on wireless microphones! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEiN0Yfe8HW6XpJwKylDPyF8I5ajjJvuRkjH8ZyosMVpzP8KckAAg/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53392	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

In a message dated 3/18/2009 7:02:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, n9guy@... writes: This guy has a thing about AMERICAN MADE American Flyer. He does not like the come from where ever stuff. He usually offers stuff for sale. but try to buy it . I do not know it he just does it for attention, but I tried getting some stuff and he does not respond to those e-mails, but come up with another offer. I take that back I did buy an engine 290 maybe he said link, I like link couplers, when it arrived it was converted to knuckle, I emailed him and he said return it he would change it and I did not know if I should. So now I need some knucouplers. Maybe it was last March. ____________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard from anywhere! Click here for great deals on wireless microphones! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEiN0Yfe8HW6XpJwKylDPyF8I5aj jJvuRkjH8ZyosMVpzP8KckAAg/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53393	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Dishwashed Road Bed

You can see how road bed looks after a cycle through the dishwasher at the following photo gallery: http://tinyurl.com/dd77wz While you're there check out the other photos in all the galleries! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53394	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: newby

This is to the newby. Did you find the red wheel you needed? Clayton Milwaukie OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > I tend to agree with you. However, when I received the Loco the wheels looked awful dirty to me. So when I questioned this (because I thought they sent me a used or returned loco) I was told that their test track was dirty. Seems to me that when they tested the loco they should have noticed that one of the wheels on the pilot falls off. Unless they broke this wheel to begin with, but then why send me a replacement pilot wheel for a different steamer. > Jack > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > From: Don Thompson <don@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] newby > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jack, > > You might not want to be too hard on poor Ron. Since J.P. Morgan > > took over our builder, spare parts are not a high priority. I would > > suspect they did not have red pilot wheels, but sent you what they had > > in stock. Although spare parts are part of our proposal for each item > > we have produced, lately, we get few if any spare parts and for those > > that we really need, they are no longer free. > > Best regards, > > Don > > PS J.P Morgan sold out to Kader Industries in December. Things might > > be looking up... > > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Jack Nowosielski wrote: > > > > > ... You would have thought that American Models would know that they > > > sent me a loco with red pilot wheels and not the black one. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53395	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

A few months after I got on this Yahoo group, I started getting poorly spelled, badly grammered, rambling and disjointed e-mails from this guy, often berift of capital letters and correct punctuation. Even though I'm a poor speller from Appalachia, I recognized the flaws in the writing and gaps in the reasoning. I made the mistake of attempting to reason with this individual, but found that I could not go low enough mentally. He has several alias' and e-mail addresses. I'd advise you hit "delete" and "block sender" without reading anything of his that may yet appear until he's blocked completely out. That's what Cindy and I had to do. He has been banned from this and other groups, but continues to monitor them somehow and send e-mails to individual members If there was such a thing as E-mail Police, this guy would have been placed in a rubber room somewhere, wearing a nice white jacket with sleeves that tie in the back. Because women and children also read these posts, I will refrain from telling you how I really feel about this vermin. Adolf Von Stumpster, Prefect of E-mail Police

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53396	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/18/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

I'm not going to defend or defame the gentleman in question.   However, he is not alone in his concern about the out-sourcing of manufacturing from our shores -- whether it be trains, or washers, or automobiles.  One only needs to consider the direct correspondence between our current economic situation and the lack of production in our country to bring home the point.  We all just read a post from a well-informed member that Asian production costs have gone up over 20%.  I truly believe American labor has the ability to put out an unsurpassed quality of product, and perhaps there will come a time when once again American labor costs will be competitive.  So, while the guy may have had some questionable dealings with some of you and may have expressed himself poorly, I stand with him in spirit on the preference to buy American-made. Jim Ensign   ----- Original Message ----- From: n9guy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:48:10 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails This guy has a thing about AMERICAN MADE American Flyer.   He does not like the come from where ever  stuff.   He usually offers stuff for sale.   but try to buy it .   I do not know it he just does it for attention, but I tried getting some stuff and he does not respond to those e-mails, but come up with another offer.    I take that back I did buy an engine 290 maybe he said link, I like link couplers, when it arrived it was converted to knuckle, I emailed him and he said return it he would change it and I did not know if I should.  So now I need some knucouplers. Maybe it was last March. ____________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard from anywhere! Click here for great deals on wireless microphones! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEiN0Yfe8HW6XpJwKylDPyF8I5ajjJvuRkjH8ZyosMVpzP8KckAAg/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53397	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

That is fine that is concern about things in life, but to send emails like he does to others in private, the flames on the people he writes to is inexcusable no matter the situation. Too bad he could not write in a normal way about things, as he might have good points. I am told he was a partner from The Red Caboose in NYC which I happen to visit in 1992 and I actually did buy something from him. Strange indeed. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails I'm not going to defend or defame the gentleman in question. However, he is not alone in his concern about the out-sourcing of manufacturing from our shores -- whether it be trains, or washers, or automobiles. One only needs to consider the direct correspondence between our current economic situation and the lack of production in our country to bring home the point. We all just read a post from a well-informed member that Asian production costs have gone up over 20%. I truly believe American labor has the ability to put out an unsurpassed quality of product, and perhaps there will come a time when once again American labor costs will be competitive. So, while the guy may have had some questionable dealings with some of you and may have expressed himself poorly, I stand with him in spirit on the preference to buy American-made. Jim Ensign ----- Original Message ----- From: n9guy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:48:10 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails This guy has a thing about AMERICAN MADE American Flyer. He does not like the come from where ever stuff. He usually offers stuff for sale. but try to buy it . I do not know it he just does it for attention, but I tried getting some stuff and he does not respond to those e-mails, but come up with another offer. I take that back I did buy an engine 290 maybe he said link, I like link couplers, when it arrived it was converted to knuckle, I emailed him and he said return it he would change it and I did not know if I should. So now I need some knucouplers. Maybe it was last March. __________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard from anywhere! Click here for great deals on wireless microphones! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEiN0Yfe8HW6XpJwKylDPyF8I5ajjJvuRkjH8ZyosMVpzP8KckAAg/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53398	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Industrial PRR E-6 4-4-2

I have run the Atlas 4-4-2 on a local O layout and it does run very nicely, smoke is fine and adequate, bell is good, whistle is a failure as the volume and sound is barely noticable above the sound of a running train...very week/anneamic. I have converted this engine to S scale. Almost all dimensions are very close to actual pennsy drawings and dimensions with the exception of the trucks which are 6" S scale inches too long in wheel base...BUT look just right in S "under" tender, instead of slightly outboard of tender walls in O. They appear to be very close to prototype Pennsy tender trucks in detail and S proportions otherwise. The Tender is right on in overall dimensions and almost a match to the standard AF tender in size. The locomotve is also very close, although lacking in some details, like whistle, marker lights, pop-off valves etc. The trailing truck is very close ...the trailing truck wheel is exactly spot on in S at 50" dia...just really oversized in width and flange size of wheel. Overall I was pleasantly supprised by the diecasting quality of loco and tender walls (deck is plastic, floor sheetmetal). Also this engine is an "almost" exact duplicate of the AF Atlantic in engine wheel base and general size, and they apparently also "copied" the sheetmetal frame/bearing inserts from AF Casey Jones???? Well...I will be letting everyone in on my methods for converting the Atlas 4-4-2 to S Scale and AF, techniques for machining and adding details, fitting AF and scale S couplers, tender light and marker lights etc.in the future. It can be DC, DCC, AC, or "L" TMCC powered. I was set back by several personal issues, include a 4 month long fight of my wife for survival..she is doing better now, and I have become a caregiver, add to that the holidays and others who are helping me also have families and problems...it has streached this project out for many more months than I had intended. I do hope to publish an extensive set of articles with photo's in the future (this year?). If anyone is seriously interested in this Atlas conversion, let me know (off list) via email and include contact phone and good time to call, I will keep you informed as to progress. I have solved all the major conversion issues and have some finish work, machining and a few details to work out before I am ready to release info. I may be able to offer a kit, or conversion service, or some thing else. Trying to get some parts made for me locally. If you are a publisher interested in this contact me, I try to write my articles for ALL S Gaugers! Contact: Peter Loeb, t4u@..., 1-541-471-8819 Also please look up my web site and S coupler Blog: http://www.trains-4-u.com I think you may find it fun and informative and may give you some new ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53399	From: ken garber	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Spree Date correction

I contacted the FMRR and they have corrected the entry to read 2010. Ken Garber (SMSG) > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > 2a. FW: [TCA_members_group] SE Michigan Train Shows (and some others) > Posted by: "Bill Porter" wpporter@... elgreatzot > Date: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:38 am ((PDT)) > > Hi Folks, > > > > I received this note on another list. It looks as if the Michigan bunch is > having their own Spree on the same weekend as the Ohio bunch? I'm hoping > that the address is a misprint and that there is only one Spree. > > > > If not, I wonder if the arch enemies of the S community are the members of > the S community. > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of franktrainman > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:04 PM > To: TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [TCA_members_group] SE Michigan Train Shows (and some others) > > > > This is train show listing put together by Vaughn Chesters of the Ford > Model > Railroad Club in Dearborn. > > Special note for "S" gagers. There is a show for you in Dearborn, MI April > 30 &May 1, 2009 and it is held at Ford Community & Performing Arts Center, > a > very nice new facility my property taxes are paying for. > > Dearborn, MI > > April 30 & > > May 1, 2009 > > Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers 2010 Spring "S" Spree > > Ford Community & Performing Arts Center > > 15801 Michigan Ave. 48126 (next to the Amtrak Station) > > For info: Email Earl Carlsen or Tom Hawley- > Friday 10:00 am to 8:00 pm > > Saturday 8:00 am to 4:00 pm > > $20.00 per family / covers both days > > Visit: SMSGTrains Website > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53400	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: 3/16

This has nothing to do with trains.mike In a message dated 3/18/2009 5:01:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n9guy@... writes: I would have but my high school alumni had it monthly meeting Monday. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53401	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

You would probably have to go back to and before WW11 to find the time when US labor costs were competitive. During the war farming and many secondary industries began to be subsidized by the government and that was the main reason the US could remain competitive as US workers have not really been the most efficient in the last sixty years. The subsidization level dropped with the outsourcing offshore. It is probably better for the health of the country that this subsidization should return to these previous levels. However crooked bankers and incompetent managements have hijacked the taxpayer funds that would have been better spent helping to keep local industry going and pay local labor. BTW outsourcing to overseas is nothing new. Before WW1 and perhaps even after in the early twenties, it appears American Icons such as Flyer used items made in Germany without acknowledgement to the public. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimensign50@... Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails I'm not going to defend or defame the gentleman in question. However, he is not alone in his concern about the out-sourcing of manufacturing from our shores -- whether it be trains, or washers, or automobiles. One only needs to consider the direct correspondence between our current economic situation and the lack of production in our country to bring home the point. We all just read a post from a well-informed member that Asian production costs have gone up over 20%. I truly believe American labor has the ability to put out an unsurpassed quality of product, and perhaps there will come a time when once again American labor costs will be competitive. So, while the guy may have had some questionable dealings with some of you and may have expressed himself poorly, I stand with him in spirit on the preference to buy American-made. Jim Ensign ----- Original Message ----- From: n9guy@... <mailto:n9guy%40juno.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:48:10 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails This guy has a thing about AMERICAN MADE American Flyer. He does not like the come from where ever stuff. He usually offers stuff for sale. but try to buy it . I do not know it he just does it for attention, but I tried getting some stuff and he does not respond to those e-mails, but come up with another offer. I take that back I did buy an engine 290 maybe he said link, I like link couplers, when it arrived it was converted to knuckle, I emailed him and he said return it he would change it and I did not know if I should. So now I need some knucouplers. Maybe it was last March. __________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard from anywhere! Click here for great deals on wireless microphones! http://thirdpartyof <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEiN0Yfe8HW6XpJwKylDPyF8I 5ajjJvuRkjH8ZyosMVpzP8KckAAg/> fers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEiN0Yfe8HW6XpJwKylDPyF8I5ajjJvuRkjH8ZyosMVpz P8KckAAg/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53402	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

Do you think he is given over to the drink? That's the way they would say it in the old days... Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Strange e-mails > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 5:21 PM > A few months after I got on this Yahoo group, I started > getting poorly spelled, badly grammered, rambling and > disjointed e-mails from this guy, often berift of capital > letters and correct punctuation. > Even though I'm a poor speller from Appalachia, I > recognized the flaws in the writing and gaps in the > reasoning. I made the mistake of attempting to reason with > this individual, but found that I could not go low enough > mentally. > He has several alias' and e-mail addresses. I'd > advise you hit "delete" and "block > sender" without reading anything of his that may yet > appear until he's blocked completely out. That's > what Cindy and I had to do. > He has been banned from this and other groups, but > continues to monitor them somehow and send e-mails to > individual members > If there was such a thing as E-mail Police, this guy would > have been placed in a rubber room somewhere, wearing a nice > white jacket with sleeves that tie in the back. > Because women and children also read these posts, I will > refrain from telling you how I really feel about this > vermin. > Adolf Von Stumpster, Prefect of E-mail Police

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53403	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: St. Gilbert's Day

What do they know indeed! Yes, N9Guy, there is indeed a St. Gilbert. There may even be three of them, (check Wikipedia) but only one, St. Gilbert of Sempringham, can actually prove he was canonized. That was done by Pope Innocent III in 1202. He was the son of an Anglo Norman Knight, who rather than have him follow in his footsteps, sent him to Paris to study Theology, and the rest is history. He founded the Gilbertine Order and built a number of monasteries in England. He even has a feast day, ironically 2/16. (Much closer to HO) Do we change the scale or ask the church to change the feast day. I think I know the answer. Dale Smith n9guy@... wrote: > My catholic friends never heard of a feast day for a Saint Gilbert. > > But what do they know. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53404	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalogs

This has nothing to do with trains. Mike In a message dated 3/18/2009 5:01:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n9guy@... writes: BETTER THE STEP CHILD THAN THE ORPHAN. THE ADOPTED MIKE ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEuJA0bTC0VJMIfZcCRLb38pODQ9 g0bVYQS4IQeUnFd8ZyL2Khzfa/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53405	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails & A Question

Am I correct in assuming that the sender of a blocked message does not receive any notification that his message has not been received because it's been blocked? If that were so, and we all blocked him, perhaps he would give it up. I don't know enough about how the internet message systems work to answer my own question. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Strange e-mails Do you think he is given over to the drink? That's the way they would say it in the old days... Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Strange e-mails > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 5:21 PM > A few months after I got on this Yahoo group, I started > getting poorly spelled, badly grammered, rambling and > disjointed e-mails from this guy, often berift of capital > letters and correct punctuation. > Even though I'm a poor speller from Appalachia, I > recognized the flaws in the writing and gaps in the > reasoning. I made the mistake of attempting to reason with > this individual, but found that I could not go low enough > mentally. > He has several alias' and e-mail addresses. I'd > advise you hit "delete" and "block > sender" without reading anything of his that may yet > appear until he's blocked completely out. That's > what Cindy and I had to do. > He has been banned from this and other groups, but > continues to monitor them somehow and send e-mails to > individual members > If there was such a thing as E-mail Police, this guy would > have been placed in a rubber room somewhere, wearing a nice > white jacket with sleeves that tie in the back. > Because women and children also read these posts, I will > refrain from telling you how I really feel about this > vermin. > Adolf Von Stumpster, Prefect of E-mail Police [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53406	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sad history...

Dear Jim, Jay's history is sad indeed. I am not sure if this is the correct format to go on and on about this. We have rehashed this many times in the past, and I think it is a mistake to encourage him to send even more e-mail to list members. Best, Don PS Where was your computer made that your wrote the below sentence. You cannot get away from globalization. On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:21 PM, jimensign50@... wrote: > ... I stand with him in spirit on the preference to buy American-made. > Jim Ensign > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 2 > New Members > 10 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Weight Management Group > on Yahoo! Groups > Join the challenge > and lose weight. > Y! Groups blog > The place to go > to stay informed > on Groups news! > Cat Fanatics > on Yahoo! Groups > Find people who are > crazy about cats. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53407	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails

At the risk of opening a can of worms.... I have had 2 dealings with the party.... A DEEP ROCK TANK CAR and a 620 SOUTHERN GONDOLA... Both hard cars... Experience was fine.... Items great.... Think with control he would be an asset.... Bob --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 6:35 AM That is fine that is concern about things in life, but to send emails like he does to others in private, the flames on the people he writes to is inexcusable no matter the situation. Too bad he could not write in a normal way about things, as he might have good points. I am told he was a partner from The Red Caboose in NYC which I happen to visit in 1992 and I actually did buy something from him. Strange indeed. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@ comcast.net To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails I'm not going to defend or defame the gentleman in question. However, he is not alone in his concern about the out-sourcing of manufacturing from our shores -- whether it be trains, or washers, or automobiles. One only needs to consider the direct correspondence between our current economic situation and the lack of production in our country to bring home the point. We all just read a post from a well-informed member that Asian production costs have gone up over 20%. I truly believe American labor has the ability to put out an unsurpassed quality of product, and perhaps there will come a time when once again American labor costs will be competitive. So, while the guy may have had some questionable dealings with some of you and may have expressed himself poorly, I stand with him in spirit on the preference to buy American-made. Jim Ensign ----- Original Message ----- From: n9guy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:48:10 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange e-mails This guy has a thing about AMERICAN MADE American Flyer. He does not like the come from where ever stuff. He usually offers stuff for sale. but try to buy it . I do not know it he just does it for attention, but I tried getting some stuff and he does not respond to those e-mails, but come up with another offer. I take that back I did buy an engine 290 maybe he said link, I like link couplers, when it arrived it was converted to knuckle, I emailed him and he said return it he would change it and I did not know if I should. So now I need some knucouplers. Maybe it was last March. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Let your voice be heard from anywhere! Click here for great deals on wireless microphones! http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/BLSrjpTEiN0Yf e8HW6XpJwKylDPyF 8I5ajjJvuRkjH8Zy osMVpzP8KckAAg/ ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53408	From: G C	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails & A Question

A few years ago, I purchased some AF caboose shells from Jay. At that time he was being banned from the Yahoo Scale Group. I was new to Yahoo and didn't catch on to what was going down at the time. Bottom line is this. Jay came through with his part of the deal and I received my package from him. He told me in a phone conversation that he was ill with Diabetes and was out of work and had no way of getting his medications. He seemed reasonable over the phone, but it was clear that he was in trouble from a medical sense. Now and then I get a strange comment from him, and I have learned just to hit the delete button. I am there for anyone in this group, but when things get too negative I bail out. like many of us, I too have some health issues. Stumpy and others have been through more than their share, but they don't act out and type out crap. He has also been know to use other screen names so if you block him that may not solve the whole problem. Like I said, the best course for your own mental health and happiness, is to just hit the delete button. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53409	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Maury Romer's ledgers

I have the three book Maury Romer set Signed by Maury, if anyone is interested make me an offer. I am moving and selling everything I have Tom 1.708.699.9148 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 1:51 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Maury Romer's ledgers Bob, Resending my original message sent directly to you via the S-Trains list in case you didn't receive it the first time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: theupstairstrain@... Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: Maury Romer's ledgers Bob, They are long out of print. Rarely, they will show up on eBay, but very rarely. There are three different compilations by Maury. One is for 3 digit issues, one for five digit issues, and the one I quoted from on set compilations. Maury offered all three of them for sale via ads in the S Gaugian back in the mid seventies. I bought them directly from Maury back in '76, before he passed away. Each issue is about 75-100 pages, with the five digit compilation on legal sized paper, copied, from the original ledgers Maury kept when he worked at Gilbert. His original ledgers were among some of the items he fished out of the dumpsters, as every bit of factory paper and ledgers were ordered destroyed back in the final days of the company. They contain every number (3 and 5 digit) that Gilbert made (and never produced) for all train production. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set You're welcome. I have heard several people refer to Romer's papers. Are they available anywhere online? Or can they be purchased somewhere? I would love to to use them as a resource for my website TheGilbertGallery.org. Bob --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:04 PM Thanks for that info. I was starting to wonder about the accuracy of the man, THE Maury Romer, who actually was involved in Gilbert train set compilation record keeping back in the day. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set =0 D Bob Tufts book lists three variations of the set. You're both right. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:20 PM Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtained. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yaho ogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53410	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange e-mails & A Question

and he notes - Unfortunately Diabetes, especially Type 1 (where Insulin shots are required) can cause lapses in mental stability in some people. They're not consistent and are unpredictable depending on the severity of the attack. I belong to a Diabetes support group and consider myself lucky that I have Type 2 (controlled with pills) but others in the group aren't so lucky and have said that they get a bit 'ditsy' until the Insulin shot kicks in. This may be what contributed to the strange emails and even stranger behavior. I did get some emails from him at my old address but since I changed ISPs I haven't heard from him. I guess if he's banned from the group he'd have no way of getting my new address. Raleigh in cloudy Maine... At 10:32 AM 3/19/2009, G C wrote: >A few years ago, I purchased some AF caboose shells from Jay. At >that time he was being banned from the Yahoo Scale Group. I was new >to Yahoo and didn't catch on to what was going down at the time. >Bottom line is this. Jay came through with his part of the deal and >I received my package from him. > >He told me in a phone conversation that he was ill with Diabetes and >was out of work and had no way of getting his medications. He seemed >reasonable over the phone, but it was clear that he was in trouble >from a medical sense. Now and then I get a strange comment from him, >and I have learned just to hit the delete button. I am there for >anyone in this group, but when things get too negative I bail out. >like many of us, I too have some health issues. Stumpy and others >have been through more than their share, but they don't act out and >type out crap. He has also been know to use other screen names so if >you block him that may not solve the whole problem. Like I said, the >best course for your own mental health and happiness, is to just hit >the delete button. > >gene cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53411	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Strange E-mails

May I make a suggestion - if anyone gets email from Jay Walsh just forward it to Phil as per his message number 43483 dated 02-17-2007 (see below) and don't post anything concerning Jay here. Too many group members continue to give him "back door" access by discussing him here. Thank you, David Tyner – aka: BG1 Message 43483: Many of you already are aware of this grave issue. Unfortunately, it shows no signs of abating -- rather, it seems to be getting worse -- so a message to all members seems necessary. As one of the moderators (and a frequent target), I gave this issue much thought the last few days -- and decided failing to address it immediately might cause some members to quit the group, here it is. The problem is repeated offensive and derisive emails being sent to S-Trains members off-line. Many of those who received emails from this person have become very upset, as the messages are not of the character we generally expect from fellow group members. Those affected have chosen to report these incidents offline in order to not distress others in our group. Plain and simple, the offender is an obnoxious person and should be ignored. Please understand this and do not let him or his crazy ramblings upset you. You are not his only victim, and you did nothing wrong. These emails can contain negative comments relating to posts made to the board. Some of the emails contain deranged, wild accusations that do not relate to model trains or a post on the board. Many are of a divisive, hateful political nature. He also has a habit of making libelous and slanderous statements about Doug Peck of Portlines Hobbies, a genteel type who is widely considered as one of the most reputable dealers in the hobby. These poorly-spelled, void-of-grammar and often unintelligible emails are originating from an angry former member who was permanently banned over two years ago for a number of violations of S-Trains Group rules. He also has been banned -- I assume for similar reasons -- from Jerry Matsick's "Available S Gauge" Yahoo group. He thinks he's clever by using several aliases. Among them are "polpolk9", "AFMoose", "Robert Crotty" and "Jay@yahoo". Some of you may have purchased items from him as Jay Walsh, his real name. Somehow he manages to run his emails through a server that changes his IP address every time he sends an email. However, we have found another method to trace him. The suggestion here is to simply ignore him. Block his email. Do not copy text from his arguments and post it here with a rebuttal, because that only gives him access to our S-Trains forum "through the back door." If you feel a need to respond, then do it offline. Personally, the emails he sends to me do not bother me in the least - - I am amused at the volume of stupidity they convey. Thanks for cooperating. While it is disappointing to make this announcement, I guarantee he's not worth wasting one millisecond of your valuable time. Phil K NOTE: I am gathering a file on Mr. Walsh. Please forward any offensive emails to me so we can add to our case.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53412	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails

----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 . . . . . . if anyone gets email from Jay Walsh just forward it to Phil Message 43483: I am gathering a file on Mr. Walsh. Please forward any offensive emails to me so we can add to our case. > > > > > > > > > ---------Response--------- Who is "We"? This guy is no more whacko than a lot of us might be if a few neurons or synapses or whatever got mis-connected. I don't know what kind of a case you are developing against him, but I doubt it will benefit anyone. Each of us can delete and ignore him, or, if one enjoys that sort of discussion, respond. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53413	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/19/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Hi All, I saw a few emails awhile back about circus cutouts, Can someone please let me know where I can buy them....Thanks in advance, Don Rodgers St.Petersburg, Fl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53414	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails

Sending emails to Phil is not going to do anything. I think the longer we all write about him, the more we are feeding his ego, as I hope this is the last email I write about him, as I have been a victim of his emails and I have written on the list and to Phil about him many times. We all know about him, as of now, except for any new comers that might become members of the list. I think we need to stop writing about him, you get a email from him, block him as I did and all is well again in S land. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Strange E-mails ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 . . . . . . if anyone gets email from Jay Walsh just forward it to Phil Message 43483: I am gathering a file on Mr. Walsh. Please forward any offensive emails to me so we can add to our case. > > > > > > > > > ---------Response--------- Who is "We"? This guy is no more whacko than a lot of us might be if a few neurons or synapses or whatever got mis-connected. I don't know what kind of a case you are developing against him, but I doubt it will benefit anyone. Each of us can delete and ignore him, or, if one enjoys that sort of discussion, respond. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53415	From: Greg Klein	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Grand Opening of New Toy Trains Unlimited Shop

Ron Borsella is moving Toy Trains Unlimited to a new location, just down the block, at 38 York Street, Hanover, Pennsylvania. The new and larger shop will double the current inventory of American Flyer and Lionel trains he has to offer. The grand opening with an open house will be on Saturday, April 4 from 11:00 am to 4:00 pm. Please stop by and visit Toy Trains Unlimited at its new home, still in downtown Hanover, Pennsylvania.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53416	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Compressor for Air Brush

Good Morning All- I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break or lose ball inflation needles) Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? Jim E. (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53417	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > I think we need to stop writing about him, Now, back to model trains ...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53418	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: newby

I never tried. Kind of let it die on the vine. Jack --- On Wed, 3/18/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: newby To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:09 PM This is to the newby. Did you find the red wheel you needed? Clayton Milwaukie OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ ...> wrote: > > I tend to agree with you. However, when I received the Loco the wheels looked awful dirty to me. So when I questioned this (because I thought they sent me a used or returned loco) I was told that their test track was dirty. Seems to me that when they tested the loco they should have noticed that one of the wheels on the pilot falls off. Unless they broke this wheel to begin with, but then why send me a replacement pilot wheel for a different steamer. > Jack > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > From: Don Thompson <don@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] newby > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jack, > > You might not want to be too hard on poor Ron. Since J.P. Morgan > > took over our builder, spare parts are not a high priority. I would > > suspect they did not have red pilot wheels, but sent you what they had > > in stock. Although spare parts are part of our proposal for each item > > we have produced, lately, we get few if any spare parts and for those > > that we really need, they are no longer free. > > Best regards, > > Don > > PS J.P Morgan sold out to Kader Industries in December. Things might > > be looking up... > > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Jack Nowosielski wrote: > > > > > ... You would have thought that American Models would know that they > > > sent me a loco with red pilot wheels and not the black one. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53419	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Grand Opening of New Toy Trains Unlimited Shop

For the benefit of us west coast folks, does he have a website and does he do business over the Internet? --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Greg Klein <moviemadness2@...> wrote: From: Greg Klein <moviemadness2@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Grand Opening of New Toy Trains Unlimited Shop To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 7:48 PM Ron Borsella is moving Toy Trains Unlimited to a new location, just down the block, at 38 York Street, Hanover, Pennsylvania. The new and larger shop will double the current inventory of American Flyer and Lionel trains he has to offer. The grand opening with an open house will be on Saturday, April 4 from 11:00 am to 4:00 pm. Please stop by and visit Toy Trains Unlimited at its new home, still in downtown Hanover, Pennsylvania. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53420	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Hi Jim, Your air bush should bring you many years of delight. The vital point is to keep it clean. Cleanliness is next to Godliness. A dirty tool is evil in the way of being frustrating. Keep it clean. Clean after every color and in the middle of a color if it has been a while. Clean with solvents that match the paint. Strip the brush down to its components and clean each one. Periodically clean with something strong like lacquer thinner. You may be catching a whiff of a theme here. If it is a clean theme, then you have the right idea. We all have to find the way to make the cleaning process a pleasant part of the overall operation. Every time I clean my air brush, I tell myself that it is that step which ensures good results more than any other single technique. It is not a chore. It is essential. You may need a regulator for that air supply. Just what pressure you and your brush need depends on you, it and the paint you are applying. That big bruiser is certainly too much to that little guy. Some brushes (especially the double-action ones) are especially sensitive to the correct pressure. The owner's manual for your brush should tell you what you need. I use an old, small surplus compressor with mine and do not use the big utility job that powers big tools. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Compressor for Air Brush Good Morning All- I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break or lose ball inflation needles) Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? Jim E. (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53421	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Get yourself a pressure regulator and a water trap. I would predict better performance from what you have with a regulator than a small just barely capable dedicated compressor. Big thing is you already have your current compressor, and unless you get really high end your regulator will be less money that even a cheap compressor. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Compressor for Air Brush Good Morning All- I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break or lose ball inflation needles) Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? Jim E. (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53422	From: Phil K	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Strange E-mails

All WE moderators are trying to do is keep things civil and on-topic on behalf of the group owners. The message below is a perfect example of why being a volunteer moderator on a forum like this is totally thankless. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > . . . . . . if anyone gets email from Jay Walsh just forward it to Phil > > Message 43483: > > I am gathering a file on Mr. Walsh. Please forward any offensive emails to > me so we can add to our case. > > > > > > > > > > > ---------Response--------- > Who is "We"? This guy is no more whacko than a lot of us might be if a few > neurons or synapses or whatever got mis-connected. I don't know what kind > of a case you are developing against him, but I doubt it will benefit > anyone. Each of us can delete and ignore him, or, if one enjoys that sort > of discussion, respond. > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53423	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Jim Ensign wrote: > Good Morning All- > > I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for > painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus > a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor > in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it > primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse > to break or lose ball inflation needles) > > Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do > air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all > the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? I do car restoration as my other hobby and have a 60 gallon air compressor in my garage. I plumbed air lines all over the garage, workshop, and even back porch so I could do painting outside as well. I have an air regulator that plugs into the outlets and can regulate down to a couple of psi. My standard HVLP gun that I use to paint big stuff needs 40 psi. I've been thinking of getting a small air brush to use for small things and from what I've read, they require something like 20 - 30 psi which is well withing the range of my regulator. While not a big fan of cheap tools, this deluxe kit from Harbor Freight, http://tinyurl.com/cphohr at $16 seems like a reasonable way to test the waters. If you don't have a regulator, this item, http://tinyurl.com/cdzuzv for $5 and a couple of fittings would do the job. So it looks like $21 would at least let you test it out. I know the brand name air brush kits sometimes go for $100's of dollars. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53424	From: John	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Jim If your compressor has a regulator you would have to reduce the air pressure a great deal to use the air brush. Depending on what type of paint you are spraying. If I remember correctly, the guy in our airbrush class said something in the area of 15 to 30 PSI. You would also need a oil/water trap inline with your airbrush. Yes you will need to clean your airbrush everytime you use it. You will probably need and adaptor to go from your current airline to the smaller airbrush line. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Compressor for Air Brush > Good Morning All- > > I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. > In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small > compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the > garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily > for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break > or lose ball inflation needles) > > Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do > air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the > set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? > > Jim E. > (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains) > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53425	From: John	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

HI George The guy that in our airbrush class said to stay away from the airbrushes that have the jar on the bottom. They ARE cheap and hard to control. He also said to get the ones with the small cup as they are better. About $50-$70 at our local hobby shop if you are going to do fine detail work. He said you can paint a line with these that is about 1/16" wide. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cohn" <gwcohn@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Compressor for Air Brush > Jim Ensign wrote: > >> Good Morning All- >> >> I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for >> painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus >> a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor >> in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it >> primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse >> to break or lose ball inflation needles) >> >> Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do >> air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all >> the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? > > I do car restoration as my other hobby and have a 60 gallon air > compressor in my garage. I plumbed air lines all over the garage, > workshop, and even back porch so I could do painting outside as well. > > I have an air regulator that plugs into the outlets and can regulate > down to a couple of psi. My standard HVLP gun that I use to paint big > stuff needs 40 psi. > > I've been thinking of getting a small air brush to use for small things > and from what I've read, they require something like 20 - 30 psi which > is well withing the range of my regulator. > > While not a big fan of cheap tools, this deluxe kit from Harbor Freight, > http://tinyurl.com/cphohr at $16 seems like a reasonable way to test the > waters. If you don't have a regulator, this item, > http://tinyurl.com/cdzuzv > for $5 and a couple of fittings would do the job. So it looks like $21 > would at least let you test it out. I know the brand name air brush kits > sometimes go for $100's of dollars. > > George Cohn > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53426	From: michael prell	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Don, I hope this helps{:>) I bought a set and they are nice. Mike --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 8:41 PM Hi All, I saw a few emails awhile back about circus cutouts, Can someone please let me know where I can buy them....Thanks in advance, Don Rodgers St.Petersburg, Fl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53427	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE: A F Circus Cutouts

To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com From: drmusic244@... Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:41:52 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cutouts Hi All, I saw a few emails awhile back about A F Circus cutouts, Can someone please let me know where I can buy them....Thanks in advance, Don Rodgers St.Petersburg, Fl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53428	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Hi Jim, Let me, for the most part, echo what others have written on the subject. I'd also like to add that I use my shop compressor for airbrushing, and it works great. My regulator allows me to throttle the pressure down to as little as 2 psi. I have an old Pasche airbrush (with bottle beneath) and it has served me well. It has the option of a small cup, and that sometimes comes in handy for extremely small jobs. But the bottle works fine. You just have to make sure that the paint is thinned properly, and there is an air hole in the cap for allowing the paint to flow out of the bottle well. I have adapted a cap from a Floquil paint bottle, and this allows me to simply screw on a bottle of Floquil paint (properly thinned) and paint away. When finished, I simply screw on the paint bottle cap and keep the paint for next time. Clean up of the brush is relatively easy. As others have said, keep everything clean, and you will have no problems. I use lacquer thinner to clean everything afterwards, since I usually have a gallon of it for my automotive painting. I also adapted a Scalecoat cap for using on Scalecoat paints. Follow the recommended pressures and thinners for the paints, and have at it. Each manufacturer has recommendations that work well. In general, solvent based paints require less pressure than acrylics. And as far as getting used to each type of paint, it's like the guy who was lost in New York and asked a policeman "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" "Practice, practice, practice." Jerry Poniatowski Have (Paint) Gun, Will Travel --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All- > > I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break or lose ball inflation needles) > > Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? > > Jim E. > (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53429	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Hi Mike, Can you tell me where you found them . Thanks, Don To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlprell@... Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:47:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cutouts Don, I hope this helps{:>) I bought a set and they are nice. Mike --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 8:41 PM Hi All, I saw a few emails awhile back about circus cutouts, Can someone please let me know where I can buy them....Thanks in advance, Don Rodgers St.Petersburg, Fl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53430	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: 647 Reefer door/guide

Hello- Does anyone have a 647 NP Reefer door lying around and available? Do the major parts vendors repro this door? I have been helping my older friend go through several boxes of "extra" train cars and equipment in his old barn. Most of the rolling stock is missing a step here or there, or has some paint scratches, is dirty, etc. He is giving me much of the "junk" which is right up my alley. I like to fix 'em, clean 'em, and run 'em (and I sometimes sell excess stuff once it is rail-worthy again.) Cars case in point at this current time, a 1947 625 tanker that was dirty and now looks really nice...and the 647 reefer missing one door and a lower door guide. Also some scratched paint...but from what I can tell, the wheels still roll on S gauge track. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53431	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Grand Opening of New Toy Trains Unlimited Shop

For those on the West coast. He has neither. At present only walk-in or by phone. Harwood **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53432	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Thanks to all that responded to my inquiry regarding air brushes.  Sounds like something I should at least try if I'm going to continue to learn and grow in the hobby.  I especially appreciate the tips on bottle-type vs. cups and ways to economize. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:41:57 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Compressor for Air Brush Hi Jim, Let me, for the most part, echo what others have written on the subject. I'd also like to add that I use my shop compressor for airbrushing, and it works great. My regulator allows me to throttle the pressure down to as little as 2 psi. I have an old Pasche airbrush (with bottle beneath) and it has served me well. It has the option of a small cup, and that sometimes comes in handy for extremely small jobs. But the bottle works fine. You just have to make sure that the paint is thinned properly, and there is an air hole in the cap for allowing the paint to flow out of the bottle well. I have adapted a cap from a Floquil paint bottle, and this allows me to simply screw on a bottle of Floquil paint (properly thinned) and paint away. When finished, I simply screw on the paint bottle cap and keep the paint for next time. Clean up of the brush is relatively easy. As others have said, keep everything clean, and you will have no problems. I use lacquer thinner to clean everything afterwards, since I usually have a gallon of it for my automotive painting. I also adapted a Scalecoat cap for using on Scalecoat paints. Follow the recommended pressures and thinners for the paints, and have at it. Each manufacturer has recommendations that work well. In general, solvent based paints require less pressure than acrylics. And as far as getting used to each type of paint, it's like the guy who was lost in New York and asked a policeman "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" "Practice, practice, practice." Jerry Poniatowski Have (Paint) Gun, Will Travel --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All- > > I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break or lose ball inflation needles) > > Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? > > Jim E. > (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53433	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Train things

I was talking to a neighbor the other day and somehow American Flyer trains came into the conversation. I am 54 as I think he is a few years older than me. He said he had American Flyer trains, and I quote, as I said nothing about Lionel or track, "the trains that ran on real two rail track!" Next I was at a open house for the B&O RR Station in Silver Spring, MD. The RR station was built in 1945 replacing a 1873 Victoria style station. Harry Truman used to get off his train here something to avoid the press at Union Station, as Silver Spring is on the MD/DC line. I was talking to women volunteer who was in her late 60's early 70's as somehow it was mention that I collect American Flyer trains. She said she had the circus set as kid and she still had it. She did not have the cardboard circus items or boxes. She just had the train with the carriages. I told her it had some value, as I do not know the condition and that she should pass it to her kids. She said they are not interested in it. I said then give to the grandkids, as it should be played with, but explain to them it does have value and play with it with respect to the pieces. She said she will try. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53434	From: michael prell	Date: 3/20/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Don, Here's the gentleman's name and e-mail address. Good hunting! Mike Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...>   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 6:21 PM Hi Mike, Can you tell me where you found them . Thanks, Don To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com From: mlprell@yahoo. com Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:47:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cutouts Don, I hope this helps{:>) I bought a set and they are nice. Mike --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@msn. com> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@msn. com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 8:41 PM Hi All, I saw a few emails awhile back about circus cutouts, Can someone please let me know where I can buy them....Thanks in advance, Don Rodgers St.Petersburg, Fl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53435	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: 647 reefer door/guide

Ah, you've come to the right place! My suggestion is to heat up the ol' computer and look up Portlines Hobby Supplies. Doug stocks a lot of parts, both original and repo and they are good people to deal with. There are several of us on this Group who troll junk boxes for AF projects. Some of this bunch restore, but there are also those, like myself, who customize as they bring the old stuff back to life. Hey, by doing it this way, the price is right! Happy rails to you... Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53436	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Hey Jim, Being economical (read "cheap") is the hall mark of S gaugers! Something my wife has told me MANY times. ;>) Jerry (El Cheapo) Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Thanks to all that responded to my inquiry regarding air brushes.  Sounds like something I should at least try if I'm going to continue to learn and grow in the hobby.  I especially appreciate the tips on bottle-type vs. cups and ways to economize. > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:41:57 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Compressor for Air Brush > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > Let me, for the most part, echo what others have written on the subject. I'd also like to add that I use my shop compressor for airbrushing, and it works great. My regulator allows me to throttle the pressure down to as little as 2 psi. I have an old Pasche airbrush (with bottle beneath) and it has served me well. It has the option of a small cup, and that sometimes comes in handy for extremely small jobs. But the bottle works fine. You just have to make sure that the paint is thinned properly, and there is an air hole in the cap for allowing the paint to flow out of the bottle well. I have adapted a cap from a Floquil paint bottle, and this allows me to simply screw on a bottle of Floquil paint (properly thinned) and paint away. When finished, I simply screw on the paint bottle cap and keep the paint for next time. Clean up of the brush is relatively easy. As others have said, keep everything clean, and you will have no problems. I use lacquer thinner to clean everything afterwards, since I usually have a gallon of it for my automotive painting. I also adapted a Scalecoat cap for using on Scalecoat paints. > > Follow the recommended pressures and thinners for the paints, and have at it. Each manufacturer has recommendations that work well. In general, solvent based paints require less pressure than acrylics. And as far as getting used to each type of paint, it's like the guy who was lost in New York and asked a policeman "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" "Practice, practice, practice." > > Jerry Poniatowski > Have (Paint) Gun, Will Travel > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@> wrote: > > > > Good Morning All- > > > > I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break or lose ball inflation needles) > > > > Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? > > > > Jim E. > > (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains) > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53437	From: michael prell	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Jerry, It's how we survive{;>) Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: From: Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Compressor for Air Brush To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 11:10 AM Hey Jim, Being economical (read "cheap") is the hall mark of S gaugers! Something my wife has told me MANY times. ;>) Jerry (El Cheapo) Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, jimensign50@ ... wrote: > > Thanks to all that responded to my inquiry regarding air brushes.  Sounds like something I should at least try if I'm going to continue to learn and grow in the hobby.  I especially appreciate the tips on bottle-type vs. cups and ways to economize. > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:41:57 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Compressor for Air Brush > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > Let me, for the most part, echo what others have written on the subject. I'd also like to add that I use my shop compressor for airbrushing, and it works great. My regulator allows me to throttle the pressure down to as little as 2 psi. I have an old Pasche airbrush (with bottle beneath) and it has served me well. It has the option of a small cup, and that sometimes comes in handy for extremely small jobs. But the bottle works fine. You just have to make sure that the paint is thinned properly, and there is an air hole in the cap for allowing the paint to flow out of the bottle well. I have adapted a cap from a Floquil paint bottle, and this allows me to simply screw on a bottle of Floquil paint (properly thinned) and paint away. When finished, I simply screw on the paint bottle cap and keep the paint for next time. Clean up of the brush is relatively easy. As others have said, keep everything clean, and you will have no problems. I use lacquer thinner to clean everything afterwards, since I usually have a gallon of it for my automotive painting. I also adapted a Scalecoat cap for using on Scalecoat paints. > > Follow the recommended pressures and thinners for the paints, and have at it. Each manufacturer has recommendations that work well. In general, solvent based paints require less pressure than acrylics. And as far as getting used to each type of paint, it's like the guy who was lost in New York and asked a policeman "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" "Practice, practice, practice." > > Jerry Poniatowski > Have (Paint) Gun, Will Travel > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com , "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@ > wrote: > > > > Good Morning All- > > > > I'm looking into getting started using the air brush method for painting. In looking at the packaged sets, they have the spray unit plus a small compressor. I was wondering if I can use my regular compressor in the garage? I think it's rated at about 125 psi (max) and I use it primarily for nail guns and tire inflation. (My son uses it as an excuse to break or lose ball inflation needles) > > > > Is this compressor too large for the air brush? At what psi setting do air brushes work? Is going the air brush method worth it, or does all the set-up and clean-up get to be a pain in the old wazoo? > > > > Jim E. > > (Just another All-American Diabetic trying to have fun with trains) > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53438	From: Larry Schliessmann	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Need help with prewar AF 3/16 Northern DC activation solenoid

I am restoring an 806 prewar 3/16 Northern. It has a DC activating solenoid, but one of the wires is loose and I am not certain where it goes. Also, will the 2 rail postwar 3/16 valve links and crossheads work with the 3 rail prewar? Do any of y'all have an answer? I've included a link to a photo of the unit. Thank you! Larry Schliessmann http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains/p1120664

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53439	From: Jim King	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: S scale GE 70-tonner almost ready

Yes, there is room for a speaker under the roof in the front and a PC board on top of the motor. I'll make a note and resend. Good point. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> From: Edward Loizeaux [mailto:loizeaux@...] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:35 PM To: 'Jim King'; RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; SSPM@yahoogroups.com; SSTOT@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Sn2_Trains@yahoogroups.com; Sn3@yahoogroups.com; 'Southern Modeler' Subject: RE: S scale GE 70-tonner almost ready Perhaps a bit late for one more thought: Is there a place inside the loco suitable for mounting a speaker? Folks who like DCC and sound will want an easy-to-mount speaker location. Just a last minute thought. Looks neat....Ed L. _____ From: Jim King [mailto:jimking3@...] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:32 PM To: RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; SSPM@yahoogroups.com; SSTOT@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Sn2_Trains@yahoogroups.com; Sn3@yahoogroups.com; Southern Modeler Subject: S scale GE 70-tonner almost ready Here's a link for y'all to follow the progress of my first S scale diesel, the GE 70-tonner. It will be delivered with a pre-assembled mechanism that can be regauged to Sn3 and Sn42. http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/sscaleindex.html Click on "GE 70-tonner" in the upper right box to view the page. Over two-thirds of the 100-unit run have been reserved so don't delay in getting your order to me or your favorite dealer. Kit details and pricing are explained on the web page. Contact me off-list if you have questions and to place an order. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53440	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Hi Jim,   > Thanks to all that responded to my inquiry regarding air brushes. Sounds like something I should at least try if I'm going to continue to learn and grow in the hobby.  I especially appreciate the tips on bottle-type vs. cups and ways to economize. > Jim E. One issue not really touched on is internal vs.external mix air brush. When I started using an airbrush, I bought a decent, but inexpensive Badger. It worked well as a "barn-painter", meaning it was fine for painting car sides, structures, and other items that didn't really need fine control. It was a lot like a spray can of paint. It covered a large area, used a LOT of paint, and could cause the paint to run in a heartbeat. Practice helped improve my results but I really did not get acceptable results until two things happened.   Number one was I bought a Pasche' type H airbrush. An external mix type of brush with the ability to change the type of tip. It has 3 styles. Wide, Medium, and fine. This makes the airbrush an all-around tool and will help cut down on the paint wasted as over-spray.   Number two was following the advice of a friend that made his living at painting model railroad equipment. He was the painter for Overland Models. His work was seen on the back cover of almost every Railroad Model Craftsman for as long as I can remember up through the late 1990's. He used nothing but Scalecoat Paint for his work. Scalecoat paint uses some of the finest pigments of any paint he had ever tried. The key to a good paint job is to have a smooth, glossy surface to apply the decals. A painted surface that is flat or satin will cause decals to "ghost" (create a very visible outline of the decal film). No amount of cover-up, or overcoating will hide this.   I have tried Floquil, Accupaint, Polly S, and almost every other brand of paint and none of them have ever given me the superb finish that I achieve with Scalecoat. I understand that there are other folks out there that have great success with other manufacturers but My friend's experience and my own have made me a believer. My personal ratio for thinner and paint is a 50/50 mix. I use a light first coat to provide the "bite"  on brass locomotives and then permit the paint to dry thoroughly overnight, then I apply the final finish coat. In over 25 years of painting my own equipment, I can safely say that I have not had to strip a paint job because the results were not acceptable. (this does not include the occasional fingerprint caused by impatience).   Try a decent, low priced airbrush first. After a bit of practice, move up to a better quality brush. You will be amazed by the satisfaction you get when you start painting your own equipment and structures.   One final comment. A HUGE element for success is a spray booth. Painting anything is like asking God to produce more airborne dust. A dedicated spraybooth, with an outside vent is the only way to accomplish a good finish. I built my own and use a good brushless motor and replacable furnace filters to contain the paint dust.   I hope you give it a try and start to enjoy a  new phase of this great hobby.   Regards, Nick Kulp   I have also graduated to an internal mix airbrush as well. I have stuck with Pasche' but the new airbrush provides more control of the paint/air mixture. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53441	From: Jim King	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: S scale GE 70-tonner almost ready

Here's a link for y'all to follow the progress of my first S scale diesel, the GE 70-tonner. It will be delivered with a pre-assembled mechanism that can be regauged to Sn3 and Sn42. http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/sscaleindex.html Click on "GE 70-tonner" in the upper right box to view the page. Over two-thirds of the 100-unit run have been reserved so don't delay in getting your order to me or your favorite dealer. Kit details and pricing are explained on the web page. Contact me off-list if you have questions and to place an order. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53442	From: Jim King	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: S scale 70-tonner add-on note

Forgot to mention for us DCC/sound guys . there is room under the roof for a speaker and housing and on top of the motor for the decoder. The 8-wheel pickup is grounded from the frame so adding a decoder is simplified. Sorry for the omission. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53443	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I. ABOUT PLAYING THE VIDEO: These 3 videos are on Vimeo.com, which plays similar to YouTube using your Flash player. Vimeo provides better quality video, but lately they seem to be having some problems. I recommend you UPGRADE your FLASH player to the latest version, which I think is Ver 10.0.22.87 for both Mac and Windows. To do so, go to Adobe.com, and on the right side of the page about 6" down, you will see a link "Get Adobe Flash Player". For Windows computers, it downloads a ".exe" file, which you then have to run to install the updates. On my Windows XP computer, the videos play smoothly. But they pause periodically, as apparently my internet connection (Comcast Lite) is not fast enough to keep up with the data flow). The videos play jerky on my G4 Macintosh. The newer & faster Intel Macs I think will play it smoothly. ((I read somewhere the Mac Flash player is inefficient, so maybe my older G4 processor is not powerful enough?)) ((I could repost these 3 videos on YouTube, but that would be time- consuming, as I would have to completely re-edit them, to fit into YouTube's 10 min 55 sec time limit.)) If you have the time to respond, please LET ME KNOW your experience playing these videos (played smoothly for you, or played jerky, or you fell asleep trying to watch them). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ II. THE LINKS: *Video Part 1: http://vimeo.com/3605742 *Video Part 2: http://vimeo.com/3607773 *Video Part 3: http://vimeo.com/3611813 *Picasa Photo Album: (approx 40 photos) http://picasaweb.google.com/autocontrols.org/208 *Wiring Diagram: http://track2.com/info/208 * Full Size Originals on Vimeo: Note you can also DOWNLOAD from Vimeo, the 3 full-size, original 640 x 480 Quicktime videos" as uploaded". To do this, you need to get a free Vimeo username & password. The link is on the lower right corner of the Vimeo page. It's marked "Downloads", "Download Quicktime Version". But you have to be "logged in", or the download link will not be visible. * Full Size Originals on Track2.com: The 3 Full-Size original videos are also posted on my personal Track2.com site. But I'm not sure how well these large files will download from this site: http://track2.com/video/railvid/fullsize/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ III. ABOUT THE VIDEO ITSELF: This three-part video shows the operation of an S gauge automatic passing siding, showing it controlling 2 trains on the same track. The system uses magnets on the bottom of the locos/cars to activate a reed switch, which activates an automotive relay, which then throws the American Flyer turnouts. Automotive relays are used to handle the large amounts of current (estimated about 6 amps) required to operate a pair of American Flyer switches. Thanks to Mark Anderman for coming up with the wiring diagram, showing how to wire the automotive relays to control the American Flyer switches. Thanks also to Mark Anderman for constructing the 4 foot wide x 20' foot long temporary display layout that we set up at the 2-day "Toy Train Expo" in November 2008 in Williamsport Pa, to demonstrate this passing siding, and also demonstrate the single-track automatic block based on the RR-Concepts.com Switching Interface Module (demonstrated in an earlier YouTube video). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com -- http://AutoControls.org Williamsport PA <=> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53444	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/22/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53445	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Compressor for Air Brush

Nick- Thanks for the additional, very detailed information.  As they say, "You don't know what you don't know!" Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53446	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Careful cleaning 1946-47 wheels!

I initially clean wheels on AF rolling stock with a fine wire wheel on a moto-tool. The plastic has always been good and hard and withstood this very well. Cleaning a set of 1947 wheels tonight, I made some melt marks and some gouges. I guess the softer plastic of 1946-47 was the culprit. Not a total loss...the car still runs fine. I just feel bad! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53447	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53448	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Larry's Pics

I took the time to look at all of the pics (90) posted. These were very, very interesting. Thank you. I was really interest in the 4-6-6-4 and its pic on curved track. The front is seemed to be where it should be and where you would want it. Where is the pivot point for the rear driver set? At the front of the set, or at the rear? This 4-6-6-4 seems to be the longest that will work on the AF 40" DIa track. Have you looked at it on AM or SHS curved track? Has anyone seen a Big Boy on the 40" Dia Track? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53449	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: NMRA RP20.1m: Car weight

This is not a joke. A friend of mine is working on revisions to NMRA RP 20. He writes <Quote> A project I'm involved with--I'm on the NMRA Technical Committee--we are putting a push on to update the standards and RP's--I'm working on RP 20.1m car weights--Presently they generally go "X oz. basic weight for the car, plus Y oz per inch of car length." What I am looking for is, 1) how many are actually using these figures (as presently on the web site) 2) What other formulae are in use? 3) do these work well in aiding tracking? Presently S Scale, X = 2oz, Y - 1/2 oz; On3 (cars about the same size) X = 1.5 oz, Y = 3/4 oz any input is welcomed--gj <End-quote> I will be happy to pass on any messages or even Glenn's e-mail address to all serious responses. (Uncle Ed, this is your big chance!) Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53450	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Not S, but Railroad: Historic Northern IdahoTrain Depot to be destr

MessageI would think this group may have an interest in helping out. S' David D. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:30 PM Subject: Historic Northern IdahoTrain Depot to be destroyed Hello, I am writing to you hoping some of you can please help. I do not know if you are interested in historic train sites -- if you are please visit this site to read about the destruction of this historic marker: http://savethedepot.blogspot.com/ <http://savethedepot.blogspot.com/> A group of locals in Kendrick, Idaho want to keep their train depot which is an historic marker for them. Hopefully it is not true that "you can't fight city hall" when it comes to our transportation history. They are needing 500 more signatures before Monday, March 23, 2009. You (or anyone you know) who wants to help may do so by signing an online petition at this website... http://www.thepetitionsite.com/160/petition-for-the-preservation-of-the-\kendrick-depot <http://www.thepetitionsite.com/160/petition-for-the-preservation-of-the\-kendrick-depot> Thank you for reading this, and please pass it along to anyone else that you think might be able to help with this cause. Thank you, Mel Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.22/2015 - Release Date: 03/20/09 19:01:00 . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53451	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Careful cleaning 1946-47 wheels!

You would be better replacing the plastic with replacement anyway Ben. Very soon after manufacture on 1946 and early 1947 locos it started shrinking away from the rims and it often peels away on the Atlantics in particular and causes shorts which can disfigure the metal centers. The wheel insulators were an optimistic use of new plastics that also led to distorted toys and films and dolls that self destruct. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bstilesaf Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Careful cleaning 1946-47 wheels! I initially clean wheels on AF rolling stock with a fine wire wheel on a moto-tool. The plastic has always been good and hard and withstood this very well. Cleaning a set of 1947 wheels tonight, I made some melt marks and some gouges. I guess the softer plastic of 1946-47 was the culprit. Not a total loss...the car still runs fine. I just feel bad! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53452	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding

Dear Jim, I am using a Mac G4 using 10.5.6 with a 2.4 GHz intel core 2 Duo and Safari 3.2.1 over a wireless cable modem (Optimum Online). I would get a very short hiccup of less than a second every 90 seconds. Not distracting, but an extremely short interruption of sound and video. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53453	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Fw: LiveLeak.com - World's largest model train railway.

I got this from a non train friend. Not S, but HO I believe. Well worth watching. Mike Subject: LiveLeak.com - World's largest model train railway. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e98_1237657552 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53454	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Larry's Pics

The pivot point is in the center. I modeled it after several I saw in HO and O gauge hoping to keep the front and rear from extending too far off the track on tight curves. I also watched a video of the real train navigating curves and was happy to see that the pilot extended off the track on curves. Glad you enjoyed the photos. Larry Visit Noirbooks99 on ebay for great deals on books, collectibles, and model trains! http://stores.ebay.com/Noir-and-More-Books-and-Trains http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=157691 http://ring-of-life.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/22/2009 3:32:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Larry's Pics I took the time to look at all of the pics (90) posted. These were very, very interesting. Thank you. I was really interest in the 4-6-6-4 and its pic on curved track. The front is seemed to be where it should be and where you would want it. Where is the pivot point for the rear driver set? At the front of the set, or at the rear? This 4-6-6-4 seems to be the longest that will work on the AF 40" DIa track. Have you looked at it on AM or SHS curved track? Has anyone seen a Big Boy on the 40" Dia Track? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53455	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding

Thanks for posting Jim, They played smoothly for me. Windows XP SP2 AMD Athlon 64 3800 2.4Ghz with 1gb of RAM 1500mbps DSL across 10/100 ethernet I tried on IE explorer and the new Google chrome browser, and both played smoothly. For those that are using wireless networks, try pausing the video until the cache loads. (This is illustrated by the darker gray bar shown with the play position bar, which is blue). If you still have trouble this tells you it is not anything to do with bandwidth. I have an older 802.11b wireless router, and this is the technique I use when watching video on my laptop across my wireless router. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:56 PM To: S-Trains Discussion List List; AutoControls@yahoogroups.com; Track2-RailNet-Listserver Listserver Cc: Anderman-Mark Subject: [S-Trains] -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I. ABOUT PLAYING THE VIDEO: These 3 videos are on Vimeo.com, which plays similar to YouTube using your Flash player. Vimeo provides better quality video, but lately they seem to be having some problems. I recommend you UPGRADE your FLASH player to the latest version, which I think is Ver 10.0.22.87 for both Mac and Windows. To do so, go to Adobe.com, and on the right side of the page about 6" down, you will see a link "Get Adobe Flash Player". For Windows computers, it downloads a ".exe" file, which you then have to run to install the updates. On my Windows XP computer, the videos play smoothly. But they pause periodically, as apparently my internet connection (Comcast Lite) is not fast enough to keep up with the data flow). The videos play jerky on my G4 Macintosh. The newer & faster Intel Macs I think will play it smoothly. ((I read somewhere the Mac Flash player is inefficient, so maybe my older G4 processor is not powerful enough?)) ((I could repost these 3 videos on YouTube, but that would be time- consuming, as I would have to completely re-edit them, to fit into YouTube's 10 min 55 sec time limit.)) If you have the time to respond, please LET ME KNOW your experience playing these videos (played smoothly for you, or played jerky, or you fell asleep trying to watch them). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ II. THE LINKS: *Video Part 1: http://vimeo. <http://vimeo.com/3605742> com/3605742 *Video Part 2: http://vimeo. <http://vimeo.com/3607773> com/3607773 *Video Part 3: http://vimeo. <http://vimeo.com/3611813> com/3611813 *Picasa Photo Album: (approx 40 photos) http://picasaweb. <http://picasaweb.google.com/autocontrols.org/208> google.com/autocontrols.org/208 *Wiring Diagram: http://track2. <http://track2.com/info/208> com/info/208 * Full Size Originals on Vimeo: Note you can also DOWNLOAD from Vimeo, the 3 full-size, original 640 x 480 Quicktime videos" as uploaded". To do this, you need to get a free Vimeo username & password. The link is on the lower right corner of the Vimeo page. It's marked "Downloads", "Download Quicktime Version". But you have to be "logged in", or the download link will not be visible. * Full Size Originals on Track2.com: The 3 Full-Size original videos are also posted on my personal Track2.com site. But I'm not sure how well these large files will download from this site: http://track2. <http://track2.com/video/railvid/fullsize/> com/video/railvid/fullsize/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ III. ABOUT THE VIDEO ITSELF: This three-part video shows the operation of an S gauge automatic passing siding, showing it controlling 2 trains on the same track. The system uses magnets on the bottom of the locos/cars to activate a reed switch, which activates an automotive relay, which then throws the American Flyer turnouts. Automotive relays are used to handle the large amounts of current (estimated about 6 amps) required to operate a pair of American Flyer switches. Thanks to Mark Anderman for coming up with the wiring diagram, showing how to wire the automotive relays to control the American Flyer switches. Thanks also to Mark Anderman for constructing the 4 foot wide x 20' foot long temporary display layout that we set up at the 2-day "Toy Train Expo" in November 2008 in Williamsport Pa, to demonstrate this passing siding, and also demonstrate the single-track automatic block based on the RR-Concepts.com Switching Interface Module (demonstrated in an earlier YouTube video). ---------------------------------------------------------- --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaS <http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com> gaugers.com -- http://AutoControls <http://AutoControls.org> .org Williamsport PA <=> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ---------------------------------------------------------- --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53456	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding

Hello Don have any of the new reefers arrived ?? Dave at Yardmastermodels , -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: AutoControls@yahoogroups.com; Track2-RailNet-Listserver Listserver <RailNet@yahoogroups.com>; Anderman-Mark <MAnderman@...> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding Dear Jim, I am using a Mac G4 using 10.5.6 with a 2.4 GHz intel core 2 Duo and Safari 3.2.1 over a wireless cable modem (Optimum Online). I would get a very short hiccup of less than a second every 90 seconds. Not distracting, but an extremely short interruption of sound and video. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53457	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-American-Flyer-Circus-train-Big-Top-cut-outs_W0QQitemZ170312687851QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item170312687851&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53458	From: michael prell	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Don, That's what this group is all about{:>)! Have fun! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 10:09 PM Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53459	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Hi Mike, Thanks for the lead, but I think I'll pass on that one...Just a little steep for me..And thinks to all for your help. Don To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:51:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-American-Flyer-Circus-train-Big-Top-cut-outs_W0QQitemZ170312687851QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item170312687851&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53460	From: Coopers	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding

Hi James Thank you for the informative and useful "how to" videos and other work. Your team did a great job. The videos played on my XP PC using DSL from SBC/ATT. I have bought some parts to make an auto siding (probably from Mr. Anderman) but have not had a chance to try out. Your materials will help me when I do. Thanks Again! Art Richardson, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups To: S-Trains Discussion List List ; AutoControls@yahoogroups.com ; Track2-RailNet-Listserver Listserver Cc: Anderman-Mark Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] -New VIDEO: S ga, 2-track Automatic Passing Siding ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I. ABOUT PLAYING THE VIDEO: These 3 videos are on Vimeo.com, which plays similar to YouTube using your Flash player. Vimeo provides better quality video, but lately they seem to be having some problems. I recommend you UPGRADE your FLASH player to the latest version, which I think is Ver 10.0.22.87 for both Mac and Windows. To do so, go to Adobe.com, and on the right side of the page about 6" down, you will see a link "Get Adobe Flash Player". For Windows computers, it downloads a ".exe" file, which you then have to run to install the updates. On my Windows XP computer, the videos play smoothly. But they pause periodically, as apparently my internet connection (Comcast Lite) is not fast enough to keep up with the data flow). The videos play jerky on my G4 Macintosh. The newer & faster Intel Macs I think will play it smoothly. ((I read somewhere the Mac Flash player is inefficient, so maybe my older G4 processor is not powerful enough?)) ((I could repost these 3 videos on YouTube, but that would be time- consuming, as I would have to completely re-edit them, to fit into YouTube's 10 min 55 sec time limit.)) If you have the time to respond, please LET ME KNOW your experience playing these videos (played smoothly for you, or played jerky, or you fell asleep trying to watch them). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ II. THE LINKS: *Video Part 1: http://vimeo.com/3605742 *Video Part 2: http://vimeo.com/3607773 *Video Part 3: http://vimeo.com/3611813 *Picasa Photo Album: (approx 40 photos) http://picasaweb.google.com/autocontrols.org/208 *Wiring Diagram: http://track2.com/info/208 * Full Size Originals on Vimeo: Note you can also DOWNLOAD from Vimeo, the 3 full-size, original 640 x 480 Quicktime videos" as uploaded". To do this, you need to get a free Vimeo username & password. The link is on the lower right corner of the Vimeo page. It's marked "Downloads", "Download Quicktime Version". But you have to be "logged in", or the download link will not be visible. * Full Size Originals on Track2.com: The 3 Full-Size original videos are also posted on my personal Track2.com site. But I'm not sure how well these large files will download from this site: http://track2.com/video/railvid/fullsize/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ III. ABOUT THE VIDEO ITSELF: This three-part video shows the operation of an S gauge automatic passing siding, showing it controlling 2 trains on the same track. The system uses magnets on the bottom of the locos/cars to activate a reed switch, which activates an automotive relay, which then throws the American Flyer turnouts. Automotive relays are used to handle the large amounts of current (estimated about 6 amps) required to operate a pair of American Flyer switches. Thanks to Mark Anderman for coming up with the wiring diagram, showing how to wire the automotive relays to control the American Flyer switches. Thanks also to Mark Anderman for constructing the 4 foot wide x 20' foot long temporary display layout that we set up at the 2-day "Toy Train Expo" in November 2008 in Williamsport Pa, to demonstrate this passing siding, and also demonstrate the single-track automatic block based on the RR-Concepts.com Switching Interface Module (demonstrated in an earlier YouTube video). ---------------------------------------------------------- --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com -- http://AutoControls.org Williamsport PA <=> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ---------------------------------------------------------- --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53461	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. Thank you very much. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote: > > Could be a short in the field coil winding or armature winding or more > likely really worn brushes sparking and overheating the commutator. Alistair > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Matthew Perks > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:51 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Hot Atlantic? > > > > Here's a question: does anyone have a suggestion as to what could be > making my 21160 Atlantic run hot? It is gradually melting a hole above > the magnet and is very hot to the touch. Is this a problem anyone has > dealt with? > Thank you very much. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53462	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53463	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Old Dispatch Issues

Friends, I have back issues of Dispatch from 2007 & 2008 If you want them, let me know. I will ship them to you and if you like you can send me the postage cost. (or not) -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53464	From: t larson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Farm Trucks

I uploaded to my S-scale list photo album a photo of two 1950's vintage Chevrolet farm grain trucks. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/777731124/pic/list These are similar to, but shorter than the Ertl grain truck. These have the same cab as a Chevy pickup (like the RC model), but have much larger wheels and tires than a pickup. These trucks are a 1 ton and a 1-1/4 ton. The wheels/tires on the 1 ton are a bit smaller than on the other one. Sorry, I did not note the price on the For Sale sign. It is in Mpls, if anybody is interested I know the owner. -- Ted Larson http://www.thistothat.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53465	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating....not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested, you probably have a bad field or armature winding, causing the overheating. Changing the springs will not help.....they'll only lose their tension too. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53466	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: New Christmas cars

I have added phots of the two latest Christmas cars: 1-elf handcar transport and 2-toyland security car. The first car is a redecorated Flyonel CSX drop-center flatcar now lettered as a Handcar Transport car. The track is SHS flex track glued to the flatcar deck and the hand car is redecorated in traditional Christmas red and green with a Merry Christmas decal added and the elves repainted in red, blue, and green. You can take the handcar off the flat to run on the tracks. The second car is a redeorated Flyonel walking brakeman car redecorated in two-tone green with custom decals and a miniture toy soldier to replace the brakeman. I have also placed a movie of this car operating on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUeTGGTDDSw I hope this works as at the time of this writing it was still processing. Future Christmas projects include a two bay coal car to carry coal candy for the kids to eat when the train stops in front of them. Also coming are a Yule log transport car, garland transport car and full streamline North Pole Express train. Enjoy. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53467	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe

Hi Again, OK, the video did not post the first time. I posted it again and this time it works. Try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBxqsnNpQM Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53468	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: New Reefers

Dear Dave, They should leave mid April and we expect them in May with the new rebuilt boxcars and the rest of our new square hatch covered hoppers. Thanks for asking, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53469	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Don, Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Hi Mike, Thanks for the lead, but I think I'll pass on that one...Just a little steep for me..And thinks to all for your help. Don To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:51:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-American-Flyer-Circus-train-Big-Top-cut-outs_W0QQitemZ170312687851QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item170312687851&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53470	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

Doug is probably right, because the wiring near the motor is also kind of burnt-looking. Anything else I can do to fix it? I dread having to buy new windings or having them rewound, because the 21160 is not one of the Atlantics that would justify expensive repairs. Is it possible that the wires to the plug are reversed, causing an easily fixable short? Thanks again. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating....not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested, you probably have a bad field or armature winding, causing the overheating. > Changing the springs will not help.....they'll only lose their tension too. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby > www.flyerparts.com > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53471	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/22/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53472	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

Put the engine on the track, and apply some power. If the engine actually runs, the wires to the plug are not reversed. If they were reversed, you would notice obvious sparking, especially at the drawbar (where it drops over the rivet head)and it would not run. I'm more inclined to think----as someone else said----that you have a heat-damaged armature.......and maybe the field as well. You are correct about not rewinding the motor....it would cost more than that engine is worth. I can supply you a replacement field and armature for that particular motor very inexpensively if you wish. Doug Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > Doug is probably right, because the wiring near the motor is also kind of burnt-looking. Anything else I can do to fix it? I dread having to buy new windings or having them rewound, because the 21160 is not one of the Atlantics that would justify expensive repairs. Is it possible that the wires to the plug are reversed, causing an easily fixable short? > Thanks again. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@> wrote: > > > > The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating....not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested, you probably have a bad field or armature winding, causing the overheating. > > Changing the springs will not help.....they'll only lose their tension too. > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby > > www.flyerparts.com > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > > > > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53473	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

Most economical thing you could do is put a can motor in it. And if you decide later the loco is not worth a can motor, you will have a can motor for a better loco. MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hot Atlantic? Doug is probably right, because the wiring near the motor is also kind of burnt-looking. Anything else I can do to fix it? I dread having to buy new windings or having them rewound, because the 21160 is not one of the Atlantics that would justify expensive repairs. Is it possible that the wires to the plug are reversed, causing an easily fixable short? Thanks again. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating....not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested, you probably have a bad field or armature winding, causing the overheating. > Changing the springs will not help.....they'll only lose their tension too. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby > www.flyerparts.com > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53474	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53475	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53476	From: Don	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

I don't know. I took a couple of old 300 AF engines and had can motors put in them. I just wanted them to run. An AF 300 is worth about $30 and a can motor installed is about $70 or so. After all, folks, they are "toys." I understand collectors and original but I just wanted something to work that I could pass on to my Grandson. I didn't care about "resale" as some of you do, and I understand that. I just wanted to watch a "toy" make its way around a track. To relive my childhood and pass it to my Grandson. Price was irrelevant. It was my childhood train that I was giving, and to watch my Grandson...priceless! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > Doug is probably right, because the wiring near the motor is also kind of burnt-looking. Anything else I can do to fix it? I dread having to buy new windings or having them rewound, because the 21160 is not one of the Atlantics that would justify expensive repairs. Is it possible that the wires to the plug are reversed, causing an easily fixable short? > Thanks again. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@> wrote: > > > > The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating....not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested, you probably have a bad field or armature winding, causing the overheating. > > Changing the springs will not help.....they'll only lose their tension too. > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby > > www.flyerparts.com > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > > > > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53477	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

I agree with that 100%. But what's kind of funny about my situation is that I took the engine apart to fix the motor because it was running hot and melted the shell. Motor may need replacing and I'm thinking while I have it apart I should replace the melted shell. So if you replace the motor and replace the shell, why not just get a new locomotive that's already put together? Obviously, I'm confused ... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <niblick_32966@...> wrote: > > I don't know. I took a couple of old 300 AF engines and had can motors put in them. I just wanted them to run. An AF 300 is worth about $30 and a can motor installed is about $70 or so. After all, folks, they are "toys." I understand collectors and original but I just wanted something to work that I could pass on to my Grandson. I didn't care about "resale" as some of you do, and I understand that. I just wanted to watch a "toy" make its way around a track. To relive my childhood and pass it to my Grandson. Price was irrelevant. It was my childhood train that I was giving, and to watch my Grandson...priceless! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > Doug is probably right, because the wiring near the motor is also kind of burnt-looking. Anything else I can do to fix it? I dread having to buy new windings or having them rewound, because the 21160 is not one of the Atlantics that would justify expensive repairs. Is it possible that the wires to the plug are reversed, causing an easily fixable short? > > Thanks again. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@> wrote: > > > > > > The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating....not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested, you probably have a bad field or armature winding, causing the overheating. > > > Changing the springs will not help.....they'll only lose their tension too. > > > > > > Doug Peck > > > Port Lines Hobby > > > www.flyerparts.com > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > > > > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > > > > > > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53478	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

For $5 and postage, I'll send you a good field magnet. For $25 I'll send you a good field magnet and resurfaced armature.Guaranteed to work good. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/22/2009 3:54:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mkperks@... writes: Doug is probably right, because the wiring near the motor is also kind of burnt-looking. Anything else I can do to fix it? I dread having to buy new windings or having them rewound, because the 21160 is not one of the Atlantics that would justify expensive repairs. Is it possible that the wires to the plug are reversed, causing an easily fixable short? Thanks again. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating. The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating.<WBR>...not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested > Changing the springs will not help.....they' Changing the springs will > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby > www.flyerparts. ww > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. > > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53479	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Mike, you can if you look at the feeDback. They tend top be the same code for buyers. Mike nS In a message dated 3/22/2009 3:53:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@m sn.com writes: Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) > wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM _http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53480	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

What is a giant circus set?   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53481	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe

What fun!  Hope some kids get to see this during the holidays.  It will do more to motivate and inspire an interest in trains than all the Greenberg prices put together! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:35:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe Hi Again, OK, the video did not post the first time. I posted it again and this time it works. Try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBxqsnNpQM Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53482	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

What can I get fer $2.50? Mike In a message dated 3/22/2009 5:24:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boss31@... writes: For $5 and postage, I'll send you a good field magnet. For $25 I'll send you a good field magnet and resurfaced armature.Guaranteed to work good. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/22/2009 3:54:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _mkperks@..._ (mailto:mkperks@...) writes: Doug is probably right, because the wiring near the motor is also kind of burnt-looking. Anything else I can do to fix it? I dread having to buy new windings or having them rewound, because the 21160 is not one of the Atlantics that would justify expensive repairs. Is it possible that the wires to the plug are reversed, causing an easily fixable short? Thanks again. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogrou--- In _S-Trains@yah_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating. The springs are short (and probably spongy) BECAUSE OF the overheating.<WBR>...not likely the CAUSE of the overheating. As someone else suggested > Changing the springs will not help.....they' Changing the springs will > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby > www.flyerparts. ww > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogrou --- In _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@> wrote: > > > > OK, here's the update. I took the 21160 apart and the brushes don't look too bad but the springs are not 1" long (are they supposed to be?), more like 1/2". I'll replace them anyway as long as I have it apart but what else should I do? Check the windings for continuity? > > > > Now here's the fun part. As long as the ugly melted shell is off, I want a new one. What should I get? Metal or multi-part? I also have a nice 303, so some day I will put the best metal shell on the 303 and the 303 shell on the 21160. > > > ************************<WBR>**Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make $10. (_http://food.http://food.<WBhttp://food.http://food.<WBRhttp_ (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53483	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Re: Maury Romer's ledgers

HI ALL I do have the three books from Maury Romer I'// Try to post some pics in a few days. If anyone is ointerested in buying tham let me know. I also have lots of old paper and misc stuff. Used to do repair for 6 hobby shops. you would be surprised what used to come in. Couple of the shops used to give me first crack at the stuff. Call me on Monday at my friends house now Tom 708.699.9148 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 1:51 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Maury Romer's ledgers Bob, Resending my original message sent directly to you via the S-Trains list in case you didn't receive it the first time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: theupstairstrain@... Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: Maury Romer's ledgers Bob, They are long out of print. Rarely, they will show up on eBay, but very rarely. There are three different compilations by Maury. One is for 3 digit issues, one for five digit issues, and the one I quoted from on set compilations. Maury offered all three of them for sale via ads in the S Gaugian back in the mid seventies. I bought them directly from Maury back in '76, before he passed20away. Each issue is about 75-100 pages, with the five digit compilation on legal sized paper, copied, from the original ledgers Maury kept when he worked at Gilbert. His original ledgers were among some of the items he fished out of the dumpsters, as every bit of factory paper and ledgers were ordered destroyed back in the final days of the company. They contain every number (3 and 5 digit) that Gilbert made (and never produced) for all train production. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set You're welcome. I have heard several people refer to Romer's papers. Are they available anywhere online? Or can they be purchased somewhere? I would love to to use them as a resource for my website TheGilbertGallery.org. Bob --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:04 PM Thanks for that info. I was starting to wonder about the accuracy of the man, THE Maury Romer, who actually was involved in Gilbert train set compilation record keeping back in the day. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Bob Tufts book lists three variations of the set. You're both right. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@earthlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:20 PM Maury Romer sold a set composition "checklist" back in the 70's that I refer to often for this type of info. The set 20123, as reported by Maury Romer from original Gilbert paper, of which I have a copy from Maury himself, consisted of the following: 21160 Atlantic 24110 Gondola 24310 Tank 24610 Caboose 22004 Transformer 747 Figure 8 Trestle Set Track Terminal Curved Track and Elastic Band Assy. (for figure 8 trestle) 26721 Curved Track (20) 26701 Straight Track (6) This leads me to believe that the original box you have does not contain the original train set and was just used as storage for the trains you obtaine d. The 20123 was a special set, not catalogued, and probably produced for a department store. Hope this helps. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boguscop1953 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 20123 Set Can anyone give me some information about this set - it doesn't appear to be in any AF catalog. Consists of a 307 4-4-2 Atlantic, 21434 tender, 925 tanker (plastic frame), 805 gondola, and 806 caboose. Was this one of the sets that were sold only to department stores? There is an address on the box that states J.B. Liebman Co. 726 Market St, Philadelphia. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53484	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/22/2009
Subject: Denver & Rio Grande Dry Transfers?

OK, I know I'm getting older, and those senior moments come more often than I'd like to admit , BUT... I know I'm not going crazy here. Recently, in a search for some other passenger car parts, I came across some dry transfer lettering for the "old timey" passenger cars that came in the Franklin sets. They were available in either white or gold. I made a MENTAL note because I had in the back of my mind that some day I was going to find some junkers and repaint them for the D & RG. My mistake was that (being the fool I am) I did not write it down. Now that I have a couple suitable cars and a damaged Franklin that's a candidate for repaint, I went looking for that lettering. Do you think I can find it now? OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!! Do any of you recall running across either a set of dry transfers or decals for Denver and Rio Grande passenger cars? And can you tell me WHO carries them? In the meantime, I know they're out there and I will keep questioning the usual subjects!! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53485	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

One for really BIG people? Sorry. It's late.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set?   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53486	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

BILL...... Sometime right after Gilbert ceased making the American Flyer circus Sets, in 1951, with the Punch Outs, the Dies and printing stuff  the Items found thier way into different hands. Maybe they, Gilbert bought these items from another outside supplier. They are exactly like the Gilbert Circus Punch Outs EXCEPT Everywhere it sez AMERICAN FLYER CIRCUS the lettering was changed to read GIANT CIRCUS... This is mainly evident in the Circus BIG TOP and in the instructions......... If you have an original Circus set.... any of the pieces form the Giant set could be used to fill in anything missing .... EXCEPT THE BIG TOP.... I think very little is known about this now.... I have 1 complete Circus Set and 2 complete Giant sets.... I have only encountered 3 in all my years collecting and have only heard of a couple of others.... I have owned several AF sets, and seen many more. If anyone has any other information please let me know... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set?   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53487	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Repairing AF Roof Walks

Thanks to everyone for the information on restoring rubber roadbed. My supply of this is starting to look like new. My next question. I have lots of AF box car, reefer and caboose bodies. Unfortunately almost all of them have the tips of the roof walks broken off. Any ideas on how to repair this? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53488	From: John	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks

John If you check your local hobby shop they have a modeling putty that is like "BONDO" for cars I have used it on my Baldwin diesels to repair the crack in the rear shell by the screw hole that is usually cracked. Just mold it on the ends of the roof and let it set up then file and sand into shape. It paints up real nice. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth" <scottishshop@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing AF Roof Walks > Thanks to everyone for the information on restoring rubber roadbed. My > supply of this is starting to look like new. > > My next question. I have lots of AF box car, reefer and caboose bodies. > Unfortunately almost all of them have the tips of the roof walks broken > off. Any ideas on how to repair this? > > Thanks, > John Harvey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53489	From: t larson	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: [Fwd: Vehicle Kit Bashing]

http://www.toytractortimes.com/october05/tallon.php Interesting S scale grain truck kit-bashing article. Especially good is the way he extended the cab and fenders to use a pickup cab for a larger truck. -- Ted Larson http://www.thistothat.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53490	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Bob-   I had never heard of this. Since the trucks and wagons came from Allied it is reasonable to think the tents came from outside as well. Can you shoot a photo or a scan? Did they come in a different envelope of instructions?   Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:36 PM BILL...... Sometime right after Gilbert ceased making the American Flyer circus Sets, in 1951, with the Punch Outs, the Dies and printing stuff  the Items found thier way into different hands. Maybe they, Gilbert bought these items from another outside supplier. They are exactly like the Gilbert Circus Punch Outs EXCEPT Everywhere it sez AMERICAN FLYER CIRCUS the lettering was changed to read GIANT CIRCUS... This is mainly evident in the Circus BIG TOP and in the instructions. ........ If you have an original Circus set.... any of the pieces form the Giant set could be used to fill in anything missing .... EXCEPT THE BIG TOP.... I think very little is known about this now.... I have 1 complete Circus Set and 2 complete Giant sets.... I have only encountered 3 in all my years collecting and have only heard of a couple of others.... I have owned several AF sets, and seen many more. If anyone has any other information please let me know... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set?   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53491	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car video

Wayne - I like this a lot. "Toyland Security!" Do you want to post some info about how you made it? Thank you very much. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > What fun!  Hope some kids get to see this during the holidays.  It will do more to motivate and inspire an interest in trains than all the Greenberg prices put together! > Jim E. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:35:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe > > > > > > > Hi Again, > > OK, the video did not post the first time. I posted it again and this time it works. Try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBxqsnNpQM > > Wayne > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53492	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks

The quick drying J-B Weld (called J-B Kwik) is probably similar and should work. It dries in 4 minutes and can be shaped easily. I have used it for many, many AF repairs and custom projects. Available at your local hardware store. Al Baker Poretlan, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > > John > If you check your local hobby shop they have a modeling putty that is like > "BONDO" for cars > I have used it on my Baldwin diesels to repair the crack in the rear shell > by the screw > hole that is usually cracked. Just mold it on the ends of the roof and let > it set up then file > and sand into shape. It paints up real nice. > > John Frankforther > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth" <scottishshop@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:49 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing AF Roof Walks > > > > Thanks to everyone for the information on restoring rubber roadbed. My > > supply of this is starting to look like new. > > > > My next question. I have lots of AF box car, reefer and caboose bodies. > > Unfortunately almost all of them have the tips of the roof walks broken > > off. Any ideas on how to repair this? > > > > Thanks, > > John Harvey > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53493	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: SnS resurfaced armatures

Steve, In terms of your resurfaced armatures. Do you sell them separately? Do you also resurface them if we send you them? How much in either case? And by resurface, what do you do? Put fresh new commutators on or face the existing comms on a lathe? Thanks. I looked for information on this on your web site, but was not able to find it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > For $5 and postage, I'll send you a good field magnet. For $25 I'll send you > a good field magnet and resurfaced armature.Guaranteed to work good. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53494	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe

I usually operate these trains at several train shows during the holidays. With all this stuff, the favorite of the kids is till the smoking steam engines with choo choo. When my grandaughters come to visit I let them run the trains. They do not want to run the diesels, they want the choo choo. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > What fun!  Hope some kids get to see this during the holidays.  It will do more to motivate and inspire an interest in trains than all the Greenberg prices put together! > Jim E. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:35:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe > > > > > > > Hi Again, > > OK, the video did not post the first time. I posted it again and this time it works. Try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBxqsnNpQM > > Wayne > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53495	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car video

Matthew, We decided to use the new Flyonel walking brakeman cars as a basis. You can find these on sale if you search on line, from $43 to $54. I removed the brakman and took the shell off. The shell was stripped of all lettering (I use Poly S). It was then primed with white primer and painted the two tone green. The light green was sprayed first. It was then masked and the dark green ends and top sprayed. The red roof walk and brake wheel were hand brushed. I create the graphics on my computer and then laser print them on white decal paper from Microscale, or inkjet print them on glossy photo paper and have copies made at a copy shop that knows what they are doing. Don't use one of the chain copy shops that hire school kids at minimum wage and teach them how to press the button on the machine. The car was then reassembled and tested. I used a miniture Hallmark toy soldier ornament as the sentry walking the top of the car. A 1/16" hole is drilled between his legs and about 1/4" into his ... ahh ... crotch. I then drilled a 1/8" hole up to the crotch to allow for the joint on the walkman rod. If you use a Gilbert walking brakeman, you will not need to drill this extra hole. This was really a simple conversion compared to some of the other stuff I have done, but it is one of the most intersting. Enjoy. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > Wayne - > I like this a lot. "Toyland Security!" Do you want to post some info about how you made it? > Thank you very much. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@ wrote: > > > > What fun!  Hope some kids get to see this during the holidays.  It will do more to motivate and inspire an interest in trains than all the Greenberg prices put together! > > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:35:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > > Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Again, > > > > OK, the video did not post the first time. I posted it again and this time it works. Try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBxqsnNpQM > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53496	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Collector vs. Operator

Wow!!  $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53497	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Bill... The 2 set I have come in a plain Manila Mailing envelope... Same size as the AF packaging and with a sheet of printed instructions that are just like the Information found on the Flyer envelope.... Someday I would like to photograph both side by side.... But time is very tight and I just got out of the Hospital after having a Difib put in... Bob Conner --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:18 AM Bob-   I had never heard of this. Since the trucks and wagons came from Allied it is reasonable to think the tents came from outside as well. Can you shoot a photo or a scan? Did they come in a different envelope of instructions?   Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:36 PM BILL...... Sometime right after Gilbert ceased making the American Flyer circus Sets, in 1951, with the Punch Outs, the Dies and printing stuff  the Items found thier way into different hands. Maybe they, Gilbert bought these items from another outside supplier. They are exactly like the Gilbert Circus Punch Outs EXCEPT Everywhere it sez AMERICAN FLYER CIRCUS the lettering was changed to read GIANT CIRCUS... This is mainly evident in the Circus BIG TOP and in the instructions. ........ If you have an original Circus set.... any of the pieces form the Giant set could be used to fill in anything missing .... EXCEPT THE BIG TOP.... I think very little is known about this now.... I have 1 complete Circus Set and 2 complete Giant sets.... I have only encountered 3 in all my years collecting and have only heard of a couple of others.... I have owned several AF sets, and seen many more. If anyone has any other information please let me know... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set?   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53498	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Ladies and Gentlemen! Children of all ages! This is what I truly enjoy about this group! What started off as a simple request for information locating an old item from the past has evolved into an important history lesson about our hobby and passion! This is great! It's what gives me hope. Thanks everyone! The old guy from Syracuse{:>}   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:18 AM Bob-   I had never heard of this. Since the trucks and wagons came from Allied it is reasonable to think the tents came from outside as well. Can you shoot a photo or a scan? Did they come in a different envelope of instructions?   Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:36 PM BILL...... Sometime right after Gilbert ceased making the American Flyer circus Sets, in 1951, with the Punch Outs, the Dies and printing stuff  the Items found thier way into different hands. Maybe they, Gilbert bought these items from another outside supplier. They are exactly like the Gilbert Circus Punch Outs EXCEPT Everywhere it sez AMERICAN FLYER CIRCUS the lettering was changed to read GIANT CIRCUS... This is mainly evident in the Circus BIG TOP and in the instructions. ........ If you have an original Circus set.... any of the pieces form the Giant set could be used to fill in anything missing .... EXCEPT THE BIG TOP.... I think very little is known about this now.... I have 1 complete Circus Set and 2 complete Giant sets.... I have only encountered 3 in all my years collecting and have only heard of a couple of others.... I have owned several AF sets, and seen many more. If anyone has any other information please let me know... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set?   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53499	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

And to think I started this with a Type-O LOL.... ( I guess my age is showing... or is it my eyesight) (: Don O^O To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlprell@... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:48:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Ladies and Gentlemen! Children of all ages! This is what I truly enjoy about this group! What started off as a simple request for information locating an old item from the past has evolved into an important history lesson about our hobby and passion! This is great! It's what gives me hope. Thanks everyone! The old guy from Syracuse{:>} Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:18 AM Bob- I had never heard of this. Since the trucks and wagons came from Allied it is reasonable to think the tents came from outside as well. Can you shoot a photo or a scan? Did they come in a different envelope of instructions? Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:36 PM BILL...... Sometime right after Gilbert ceased making the American Flyer circus Sets, in 1951, with the Punch Outs, the Dies and printing stuff the Items found thier way into different hands. Maybe they, Gilbert bought these items from another outside supplier. They are exactly like the Gilbert Circus Punch Outs EXCEPT Everywhere it sez AMERICAN FLYER CIRCUS the lettering was changed to read GIANT CIRCUS... This is mainly evident in the Circus BIG TOP and in the instructions. ........ If you have an original Circus set.... any of the pieces form the Giant set could be used to fill in anything missing .... EXCEPT THE BIG TOP.... I think very little is known about this now.... I have 1 complete Circus Set and 2 complete Giant sets.... I have only encountered 3 in all my years collecting and have only heard of a couple of others.... I have owned several AF sets, and seen many more. If anyone has any other information please let me know... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set? Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53500	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe

Wayne, Now THAT'S to start grandkids off on the right track!  Go little chooo,choos. Go! Mike    Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 3/23/09, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 12:57 PM I usually operate these trains at several train shows during the holidays. With all this stuff, the favorite of the kids is till the smoking steam engines with choo choo. When my grandaughters come to visit I let them run the trains. They do not want to run the diesels, they want the choo choo. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, jimensign50@ ... wrote: > > What fun!  Hope some kids get to see this during the holidays.  It will do more to motivate and inspire an interest in trains than all the Greenberg prices put together! > Jim E. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@ ...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:35:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Toy Soldier car vidoe > > > > > > > Hi Again, > > OK, the video did not post the first time. I posted it again and this time it works. Try: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=4rBxqsnNpQM > > Wayne > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53501	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator

Joe.... Are yours the original Greenburgh? or the newer copies? I would like to assemble one...... Bob --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Collector vs. Operator To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:35 AM Wow!!  $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! Joe  Joe's Train Repair.##### ######### ######### ####.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.####### ######### ######### ###.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###### ######### ####.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaine s Hobbies.##.S- Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com.########### ######### .Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53502	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: SnS resurfaced armatures

If you send yours we will true it on the lathe and polish it on #600 paper for $10. We remove all groves and blemishes. If it is too thin to fix, we send it out to get new plates on the commutator. That is expensive however. We sell refurbished armatures for $20. Any style, steamer or Diesel. Not the super armatures however. Steve.. In a message dated 03/23/2009 1:27:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, dsme_horn@... writes: Steve, In terms of your resurfaced armatures. Do you sell them separately? Do you also resurface them if we send you them? How much in either case? And by resurface, what do you do? Put fresh new commutators on or face the existing comms on a lathe? Thanks. I looked for information on this on your web site, but was not able to find it. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@... wrote: > > For $5 and postage, I'll send you a good field magnet. For $25 I'll send you > a good field magnet and resurfaced armature.Guaranteed to work good. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53503	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Collector vs. Operator

I'm with Joe on this one! $900. for paper is a hell of a tariff! Here in Appalachia, I could buy a fairly decent used car for that much money and get a lot more use out of it! Stumpy Stone... in eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53504	From: michael prell	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator

It indeed, says it all. {:>].....,   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Collector vs. Operator To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:35 AM Wow!!  $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! Joe  Joe's Train Repair.##### ######### ######### ####.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.####### ######### ######### ###.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###### ######### ####.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaine s Hobbies.##.S- Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com.########### ######### .Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53505	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Don, It is okay, as you want one for a layout, I assume, as I basically was kidding you about the original one on ebay. And yes, there are collectors who are willing to pay whatever it takes to get a original in any condition. I am a collector of vintage AF but not paper items. Now, I am becoming more of a operator. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts And to think I started this with a Type-O LOL.... ( I guess my age is showing... or is it my eyesight) (: Don O^O To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlprell@... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:48:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Ladies and Gentlemen! Children of all ages! This is what I truly enjoy about this group! What started off as a simple request for information locating an old item from the past has evolved into an important history lesson about our hobby and passion! This is great! It's what gives me hope. Thanks everyone! The old guy from Syracuse{:>} Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:18 AM Bob- I had never heard of this. Since the trucks and wagons came from Allied it is reasonable to think the tents came from outside as well. Can you shoot a photo or a scan? Did they come in a different envelope of instructions? Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:36 PM BILL...... Sometime right after Gilbert ceased making the American Flyer circus Sets, in 1951, with the Punch Outs, the Dies and printing stuff the Items found thier way into different hands. Maybe they, Gilbert bought these items from another outside supplier. They are exactly like the Gilbert Circus Punch Outs EXCEPT Everywhere it sez AMERICAN FLYER CIRCUS the lettering was changed to read GIANT CIRCUS... This is mainly evident in the Circus BIG TOP and in the instructions. ........ If you have an original Circus set.... any of the pieces form the Giant set could be used to fill in anything missing .... EXCEPT THE BIG TOP.... I think very little is known about this now.... I have 1 complete Circus Set and 2 complete Giant sets.... I have only encountered 3 in all my years collecting and have only heard of a couple of others.... I have owned several AF sets, and seen many more. If anyone has any other information please let me know... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set? Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53506	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Bob, hope all is well with you. You will be at York? Harwppd **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53507	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator

Bob, How much are the original Greenberg Circus cut-outs going for these days. I'm bringing three original GB sets plus five original GB farm cut-outs to York next month. Harwood **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53508	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: TCM MOVIE

There is a great movie on TCM "Wild Boys of The Road" It might replay...Great Train movie...Mike Who **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53509	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Cuyouts

Mike, All in fun and the thrill of the great American Flyer Trains.. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:25:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Don, It is okay, as you want one for a layout, I assume, as I basically was kidding you about the original one on ebay. And yes, there are collectors who are willing to pay whatever it takes to get a original in any condition. I am a collector of vintage AF but not paper items. Now, I am becoming more of a operator. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts And to think I started this with a Type-O LOL.... ( I guess my age is showing... or is it my eyesight) (: Don O^O To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlprell@... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:48:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Ladies and Gentlemen! Children of all ages! This is what I truly enjoy about this group! What started off as a simple request for information locating an old item from the past has evolved into an important history lesson about our hobby and passion! This is great! It's what gives me hope. Thanks everyone! The old guy from Syracuse{:>} Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:18 AM Bob- I had never heard of this. Since the trucks and wagons came from Allied it is reasonable to think the tents came from outside as well. Can you shoot a photo or a scan? Did they come in a different envelope of instructions? Bill --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 11:36 PM BILL...... Sometime right after Gilbert ceased making the American Flyer circus Sets, in 1951, with the Punch Outs, the Dies and printing stuff the Items found thier way into different hands. Maybe they, Gilbert bought these items from another outside supplier. They are exactly like the Gilbert Circus Punch Outs EXCEPT Everywhere it sez AMERICAN FLYER CIRCUS the lettering was changed to read GIANT CIRCUS... This is mainly evident in the Circus BIG TOP and in the instructions. ........ If you have an original Circus set.... any of the pieces form the Giant set could be used to fill in anything missing .... EXCEPT THE BIG TOP.... I think very little is known about this now.... I have 1 complete Circus Set and 2 complete Giant sets.... I have only encountered 3 in all my years collecting and have only heard of a couple of others.... I have owned several AF sets, and seen many more. If anyone has any other information please let me know... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:24 PM What is a giant circus set? Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 7:25 PM Mike.... Reserve is high as I have bid High... It should go about 900.00..... I also have 2 of the rare GIANT CIRCUS sets made from the AF Dies besides a complete AF set in the box.... And I am going to sell the GC one that was in the S Guagian a few years ago.... It is missing a couple pieces.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:50 PM Bob, You can not see who the bidders are anymore, as they are hidden in code. Good luck in getting this, as I believe the high bid has not hit the reserve yet. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts MIKE,,, And you see who is high bidder!!!!!! bob Conner Want to finish my second boxed set... --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:51 AM http://cgi.ebay com/Original- American- Flyer-Circus- train-Big- Top-cut-outs_ W0QQitemZ1703126 87851QQcmdZViewI temQQptZModel_ RR_Trains? hash=item1703126 87851&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 66%3A2%7C65% 3A3%7C39% 3A1%7C240% 3A1318 Don, Go for the real thing. Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Circus Cuyouts Mike, I wanted to thank you so much for help...Joe had them...Thanks, Don drmusic244@msn. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53510	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator

HARWOOD... I am probley not going to York... My GF from Montana will be here from Sunday till the 6th.... Then I am going back out there in late April.... Just a lot going on around here.... I just finally got my Farm Set finished with most of the cutouts (Original)... The GB Circus set has gone for around 45 on ebay.... But 35 is about right.... Farm a little less.... I have the Original GB Lionel sets for 25 to sell.... As I understand it someone is recopying the GB sets and reselling them.... Just a rumor???? Thinner cardboard.... I would like to get more input on the AF Circus Punchouts... More Information.... Bob Conner --- On Mon, 3/23/09, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Collector vs. Operator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:19 PM Bob, How much are the original Greenberg Circus cut-outs going for these days. I'm bringing three original GB sets plus five original GB farm cut-outs to York next month. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53511	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks

Hi John, Glad we could be of help. That's what this forum is for. When it comes to roof walks, my preferred method of repair is to obtain either Plastruct or Evergreen shapes in the required sizes, and do the repair that way. You will need to layer different shapes to obtain the desired profile, and once done and painted, the repair is almost invisible. Of course, the major obstacle is to get the proper sized shapes, but once you do that, you will have enough stock on hand to repair MANY more cars. By the way, what method are you using on the roadbed? Jerry Poniatowski Finding many ways to skin the proverbial cat --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@...> wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for the information on restoring rubber roadbed. My > supply of this is starting to look like new. > > My next question. I have lots of AF box car, reefer and caboose bodies. > Unfortunately almost all of them have the tips of the roof walks broken > off. Any ideas on how to repair this? > > Thanks, > John Harvey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53512	From: John Sage	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks

wrong John --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: From: Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 10:42 AM Hi John, Glad we could be of help. That's what this forum is for. When it comes to roof walks, my preferred method of repair is to obtain either Plastruct or Evergreen shapes in the required sizes, and do the repair that way. You will need to layer different shapes to obtain the desired profile, and once done and painted, the repair is almost invisible. Of course, the major obstacle is to get the proper sized shapes, but once you do that, you will have enough stock on hand to repair MANY more cars. By the way, what method are you using on the roadbed? Jerry Poniatowski Finding many ways to skin the proverbial cat --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@ ...> wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for the information on restoring rubber roadbed. My > supply of this is starting to look like new. > > My next question. I have lots of AF box car, reefer and caboose bodies. > Unfortunately almost all of them have the tips of the roof walks broken > off. Any ideas on how to repair this? > > Thanks, > John Harvey > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53513	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks

I have had good success repairing steps, even HW coach ends but taking a duplicate piece.... or the opposite end, diagonally and making a rubber mold of the part to be fixed. Then put the rubber mold over the area missing the part.... fill the mold with epoxy and paint to match... with a little care you get a great match..... I once did a quarter of a HW coach end this way.... Even all the rivits were there!!!!! Bob Conner --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: From: Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Repairing AF Roof Walks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 10:42 AM Hi John, Glad we could be of help. That's what this forum is for. When it comes to roof walks, my preferred method of repair is to obtain either Plastruct or Evergreen shapes in the required sizes, and do the repair that way. You will need to layer different shapes to obtain the desired profile, and once done and painted, the repair is almost invisible. Of course, the major obstacle is to get the proper sized shapes, but once you do that, you will have enough stock on hand to repair MANY more cars. By the way, what method are you using on the roadbed? Jerry Poniatowski Finding many ways to skin the proverbial cat --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <scottishshop@ ...> wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for the information on restoring rubber roadbed. My > supply of this is starting to look like new. > > My next question. I have lots of AF box car, reefer and caboose bodies. > Unfortunately almost all of them have the tips of the roof walks broken > off. Any ideas on how to repair this? > > Thanks, > John Harvey > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53514	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Steam loco repair

For those of you that repair steam locos and those that would like to, here is a great "how to" video. Enjoy Steve SnS Trains _Click here: WCCC-TV - Waco, Texas_ (http://www.waco-texas.com/city_depts/municipal_information/watch-katy-railroad-wardens-shop.html) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53515	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/24/2009
Subject: Re: Steam loco repair

Thanks Steve! Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Tue, 3/24/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: > From: boss31@... <boss31@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco repair > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:34 AM > For those of you that repair steam locos and those that > would like to, here > is a great "how to" video. > Enjoy > Steve > SnS Trains > > _Click here: WCCC-TV - Waco, Texas_ > (http://www.waco-texas.com/city_depts/municipal_information/watch-katy-railroad-wardens-shop.html) > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make > meals for Under > $10. > (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53516	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Steam loco repair

Very cool! Thanks! Bill Winans For those of you that repair steam locos and those that would like to, here is a great "how to" video. Enjoy Steve SnS Trains _Click here: WCCC-TV - Waco, Texas_ (http://www.waco-texas.com/city_depts/municipal_information/watch-katy-railroad-wardens-shop.html)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53517	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: Steam loco repair

Enjoyed the movie and the 'old-timer's' recollections! Truly a bygone era. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) boss31@... wrote: > > For those of you that repair steam locos and those that would like to, > here > is a great "how to" video. > Enjoy > Steve > SnS Trains > > _Click here: WCCC-TV - Waco, Texas_ > (http://www.waco-texas.com/city_depts/municipal_information/watch-katy-railroad-wardens-shop.html > <http://www.waco-texas.com/city_depts/municipal_information/watch-katy-railroad-wardens-shop.html>) > > > Recent Activity > > * > 1 > New Members > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdGxqZHVpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjM3OTM4MjA0> > * > 2 > New Photos > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdW40OXZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjM3OTM4MjA0> > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaDNqdXBoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMzc5MzgyMDQ-> > > Give Back > > Yahoo! for Good > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJrdmczbWQ3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTIzNzkzODIwNA--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood> > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJtc3BydnRiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMjM3OTM4MjA0;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=ygrps> > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Start a group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJtZG9sYWhpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMjM3OTM4MjA0> > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53518	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Steam loco repair

Great video, Steve! For all old Flyer steam loco fans this was a good look at was inside the "shell" of as real steam engine. It also points out the complex parts and many people and machines necessary to maintain and repair these Iron Dinosaurs. Hearing the story from someone "who was there" makes it even more enjoyable. Thamks again. Stumpy Stone...love those steamers...eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53519	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Re: SnS resurfaced armatures

Steve, Thanks. By the "super" motor that you don't do, do you mean the Gilbert large steamer (3/4") armatures as in some 313, 326 and 336 engine, or the larger of the two Gilbert diesel armatures (pre vs post pulmor) or the new even larger after market steamer (1" and bigger) armatures? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53520	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/25/2009
Subject: Lighted Gas Station Sign

Greetings! Have been using some of the LED Holiday light bulbs for lighting small 'areas" on the layout. I thought an advertising sign for the Plasticville gas station would be a nice addition but have run into a problem that I need help with. Have come up with all the parts except for the top .... what might make a transparent logo for the light to illuminate and how might I mount this to a frame so I could change the LED if necessay and what might I make a frame from? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53521	From: John	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lighted Gas Station Sign

Charlie Not sure what to use, but on one of the other Yahoo groups there has been talk of using fiber optics to luminate various parts of a layout. You only need 1 light bulb or LED to light up a number of different areas. You can color the ends of the fibers for different colors needed. There are 7 sizes available, from .25 mm to 3 mm Check it out here http://www.thefiberopticstore.com/FOS-mainpage.htm John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lighted Gas Station Sign > Greetings! Have been using some of the LED Holiday light bulbs for > lighting small 'areas" on the layout. I thought an advertising sign for > the Plasticville gas station would be a nice addition but have run into a > problem that I need help with. Have come up with all the parts except > for the top .... what might make a transparent logo for the light to > illuminate and how might I mount this to a frame so I could change the LED > if necessay and what might I make a frame from? Your thoughts are greatly > appreciated! > Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53522	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Fw: World's largest model train set, iPhone 3.0 buzz & more

HOPE THIS COMES THRU..... BOB CONNER --- On Thu, 3/26/09, DVICE <newsletter@...> wrote: From: DVICE <newsletter@...> Subject: World's largest model train set, iPhone 3.0 buzz & more To: rcon7@... Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 2:00 AM Astonishing video: Most gigantic model railroad in the world This is simply unbelievable. The Miniatur Wunderland model railroad in Hamburg, Germany is the largest in the world, covering 16,146 square feet with more than 10,000 train cars running around its 6.8 miles of track. Now the makers of this huge layout have created a video that gives you a jaw-dropping look at the vast scope of this intricate work of art. Its construction started in 2000 and is still underway, with a tiny airport due for completion by the end of this year. And this is just the beginning — there are plans to double the layout by 2014. We especially like the Las Vegas portion, complete with dazzling LEDs lighting up the night. You have to watch the video in the link below to get the full impact of this remarkable achievement, which has taken in excess of 500,000 working hours to build. There's good reason why this is Germany's most popular attraction, already visited by more than 5 million flabbergasted tourists. MINIATUR WUNDERLAND VIDEO More top tech stories: From Fidgit: Aliens vs. Predator deathmatch billiards, chess and tetherball You've seen them fight, now see them checkmate each other. Nordic Rock: Fred Flintstone's ice cube of choice Have your drinks really on the rocks. Japanese architects condense an entire home into a 3-meter-cubed space Even the Matrix might be preferable to this. Man replaces lost finger with USB drive This cyborg holds 2GB more than mortal men. SHIFT: What comes after iPhone 3.0? Is Apple's most polished toy keeping it from creating new ones? Gallery of the Week: 25 Steampunk Cylon designs What makes old-tyme robots better? LEGO, of course. © 2008, SCI FI. All rights reserved. SCIFI.COM 30 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10112 (212) 664-3571 You are receiving this once-weekly e-mail newsletter because you signed up for it when you registered with SCIFI.COM. You may unsubscribe at any time by clicking here. To unsubscribe from this list, go here [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53523	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.

I have a 470 that runs semi-ok in one direction but in the other it shudders and jerks when starting, then gets going, and slows down periodically with the jerking. I cleaned the commutators and brushes and that made no difference. Would a new set of brushes help or is this a gearing problem? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53524	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator

They went for $1000. on eBay yesterday. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > > Wow!!  $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! > > Joe >  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer > ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... > American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@...####################.Master Card/Visa honored >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53525	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.

Hi, It sounds like maybe you have a case of worn axle holes in the chassis. If you know how to disassemble the motors, do so and then check how much play (up & down and side to side) you have. If the holes are not worn egg shaped, then there will be little to no play. If there is a lot of play then you'll need to re-bush the chassis. I had a dual-motor unit that acted like yours and worn axles holes were the problem. I re-bushed the chassis and now it runs like a rabbit!! Worn axle holes are an inherent problem in the later diesels. The diecast chassis is softer than the steel axles so over time the steel axles will wear the axle holes egg-shaped. This throws the drive gears out of alignment and can cause the jerking action you describe. Hope this info helps.................. Daryl boguscop1953 wrote: > > I have a 470 that runs semi-ok in one direction but in the other it > shudders and jerks when starting, then gets going, and slows down > periodically with the jerking. I cleaned the commutators and brushes > and that made no difference. Would a new set of brushes help or is > this a gearing problem? Thanks. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53526	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lighted Gas Station Sign

I'd use some Plastruct "U" beam and miter cut it to size. Some thin plastic card then would be trimmed and be used as tabs to make one side of the frame removable enabling the removal of the "guts" to make servicing possible-john marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53527	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Dry Transfer Source

Last week I posted a request for help finding a source for S scale Denver & Rio Grande dry transfers. I never did track down the original site where I saw them, but I did locate a source that had some. They were at tmrdistributing.com They stock transfers from CDS. Their site isn't the easiest to navigate, but they do take Paypal. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53528	From: valiantmike72	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: American Models Amtrak Set

A number of years ago, I purchased an AC Hi-Rail Amtrak set at a train show. When I got it home, I found that instead of having Flyer compatible couplers, it had non-operating scale couplers. I didn't care too much, as I was only going to run it as a set by itself. However, I recently picked up a American Models Amtrak materials handling box car to go with my set. It came with Flyer compatible couplers. Did any Amtrak sets come with Flyer style couplers? What couplers can I put on the box car that will be compatible with what is currently on my set?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53529	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Amtrak Set

----- Original Message ----- " valiantmike72" has written . . . . .I purchased an AC Hi-Rail Amtrak set .. . . . . . . it had non-operating scale couplers. . . . . . I didn't care too much, as I was only going to run it as a set by itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was American Models' thinking. You're not going to be switching American Flyer cars into or out of this Amtrak train, so there's no point in having the big unsightly oversized couplers on an otherwise nice train set. < < < < < < < < < < < < < < However, I recently picked up a American Models Amtrak materials handling box car to go with my set. It came with Flyer compatible couplers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, since I have right here an Amtrak material-handling car to deliver to a customer at Sunday's club meeting. I knew his Amtrak set was just like yours, and so I ordered the car with highrail wheels and scale couplers. The couplers it came with are American Models dummy scale couplers which will couple with the couplers on the Amtrak cars & locos, as well as with S scale KD couplers. < < < < < < < < < < < < < < . . . . .What couplers can I put on the box car that will be compatible with what is currently on my set? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You dealer should be able to supply you with AM scale couplers. Or if you're adventurous, assemble and install a pair of KD 802 or 808 couplers. S-Helper Service scale couplers, item 01295, might also work. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53530	From: Glenn	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: WORLD'S LARGEST MODEL RAILROAD

Here is the link that Bob wanted you to see. This is simply unbelievable. The Miniatur Wunderland model railroad in Hamburg, Germany is the largest in the world, covering 16,146 square feet with more than 10,000 train cars running around its 6.8 miles of track. Now the makers of this huge layout have created a video that gives you a jaw-dropping look at the vast scope of this intricate work of art. Its construction started in 2000 and is still underway, with a tiny airport due for completion by the end of this year. And this is just the beginning - there are plans to double the layout by 2014. We especially like the Las Vegas portion, complete with dazzling LEDs lighting up the night. . http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e98_1237657552 Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53531	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Train wreck!

Last night I had a weird dream that one of my fine S Helper Steam engines was pulling a line of cars, as one car derailed and that cause the engine to break free at a high rate of speed by itself. It turn a curve on the outer most track line, headed down a straight away, on the short end of the table, as I tried to catch it, but was it started to curve around to the long stretch of line, it jumped the track and over the wood border and crashed down to the floor! The shell of the engine broke into many small pieces, as the works of the engine was okay. The dream ended as I wondered if S Helper sold just the shells, painted for their engines. Maybe this dream took place, because I went to a concert and we took along a co-worker of Linda's and we showed her the layout, the train collection on the wall, the 100's of milk bottles, the baseball shrine not only to the Washington Senators but to the Toronto Maple Leafs minor league baseball team, pre-1967. She is from Canada, as the performer is from Canada, a favorite singer songwriter. She really like seeing the Shrine to Toronto, but also the trains. Why did I not dream about the Toronto Baseball shrine?? LOL We do have a Miss Toronto 1937 in Toronto uniform pictured at the shrine, along with Vic Lombardi's Toronto Maple Leaf's baseball card. Long story, all thanks to a TCA member who will remain nameless here. Thanks Ken!!!! LOL Ahh, just want I need to collect now, all 100 Frost Aid Canadian minor league baseball cards from the 1950's. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53532	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.

And these are the ones that require machine shop equipment to rebush, correct - i.e. the ones that do not have bushings already in them that you simply drive out and replace. If so, who on the forum offers this service? Thanks --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > It sounds like maybe you have a case of worn axle holes in the chassis. > If you know how to disassemble the motors, do so and then check how much > play (up & down and side to side) you have. If the holes are not worn > egg shaped, then there will be little to no play. If there is a lot of > play then you'll need to re-bush the chassis. I had a dual-motor unit > that acted like yours and worn axles holes were the problem. I > re-bushed the chassis and now it runs like a rabbit!! Worn axle holes > are an inherent problem in the later diesels. The diecast chassis is > softer than the steel axles so over time the steel axles will wear the > axle holes egg-shaped. This throws the drive gears out of alignment and > can cause the jerking action you describe. Hope this info > helps.................. > > Daryl > > boguscop1953 wrote: > > > > I have a 470 that runs semi-ok in one direction but in the other it > > shudders and jerks when starting, then gets going, and slows down > > periodically with the jerking. I cleaned the commutators and brushes > > and that made no difference. Would a new set of brushes help or is > > this a gearing problem? Thanks. > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53533	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.

Yes, the 470 would be one of the models that did not come with bushings. I can re-bush the chassis for you if you'd like. If interested contact me offline. There are also others on the list that can do them for you. Before you decide anything, first check to make sure that the holes are worn. If you're not sure how to do then can probably help with that too. Daryl boguscop1953 wrote: > > And these are the ones that require machine shop equipment to rebush, > correct - i.e. the ones that do not have bushings already in them that > you simply drive out and replace. If so, who on the forum offers this > service? Thanks > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > It sounds like maybe you have a case of worn axle holes in the chassis. > > If you know how to disassemble the motors, do so and then check how > much > > play (up & down and side to side) you have. If the holes are not worn > > egg shaped, then there will be little to no play. If there is a lot of > > play then you'll need to re-bush the chassis. I had a dual-motor unit > > that acted like yours and worn axles holes were the problem. I > > re-bushed the chassis and now it runs like a rabbit!! Worn axle holes > > are an inherent problem in the later diesels. The diecast chassis is > > softer than the steel axles so over time the steel axles will wear the > > axle holes egg-shaped. This throws the drive gears out of alignment and > > can cause the jerking action you describe. Hope this info > > helps.................. > > > > Daryl > > > > boguscop1953 wrote: > > > > > > I have a 470 that runs semi-ok in one direction but in the other it > > > shudders and jerks when starting, then gets going, and slows down > > > periodically with the jerking. I cleaned the commutators and brushes > > > and that made no difference. Would a new set of brushes help or is > > > this a gearing problem? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53534	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: American Models Amtrak Set

1) You can use more of the black dummy couplers from AM. 2) You can use S Helper scale couplers which come preassembled with centering springs and actually cost a tad less.. 3) You can mount Kadee 802(black) or 808(rust) but have to assemble and insert the dreaded centering spring. You can use the Kadee O narrow couplers (803 I think) which couples to both S acale Kadees and Flyer. I bought the sound car and ran into the same problem. In the course of experimenting I was able to set the car up so I could use it with any equipment. As a residue from the experimenting the car now has a body mounted 803 on one end and a truck mounted 803 on the other end. Both work.. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53535	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator

Do you have a web site? - or photos of your reproduction circus cutouts? I might be interested in buying one from you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "boguscop1953" <boguscop1953@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator They went for $1000. on eBay yesterday. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > > Wow!! $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never > actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts > (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this > is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! > > Joe > Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer > ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... > American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@...####################.Master Card/Visa honored > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53536	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!

Hi Mike -- You need to see a Psychiatrist (that is pronounced pah - sicky - ah - trist, according to my long gone Grandmother) because you are pah-sick! Have fun! Bill Last night I had a weird dream ....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53537	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.

We offer the milling and bushing service for the ones that do not have the knockout bushings. (We do those too!) Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/27/2009 6:28:53 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, boguscop1953@... writes: And these are the ones that require machine shop equipment to rebush, correct - i.e. the ones that do not have bushings already in them that you simply drive out and replace. If so, who on the forum offers this service? Thanks --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@jay> wrote: > > Hi, > > It sounds like maybe you have a case of worn axle holes in the chassis. > If you know how to disassemble the motors, do so and then check how much > play (up & down and side to side) you have. If the holes are not worn > egg shaped, then there will be little to no play. If there is a lot of > play then you'll need to re-bush the chassis. I had a dual-motor unit > that acted like yours and worn axles holes were the problem. I > re-bushed the chassis and now it runs like a rabbit!! Worn axle holes > are an inherent problem in the later diesels. The diecast chassis is > softer than the steel axles so over time the steel axles will wear the > axle holes egg-shaped. This throws the drive gears out of alignment and > can cause the jerking action you describe. Hope this info > helps....... helps... h > > Daryl > > boguscop1953 wrote: > > > > I have a 470 that runs semi-ok in one direction but in the other it > > shudders and jerks when starting, then gets going, and slows down > > periodically with the jerking. I cleaned the commutators and brushes > > and that made no difference. Would a new set of brushes help or is > > this a gearing problem? Thanks. > > > > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53538	From: michael prell	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!

Mike, So long as any of the little parts or pieces do not turn into nano-bugs such as those on Stragate SG-1, you'll be ok. Not to worry. Waite a minute! SG???? You don't suppose???? Naah! Fergetaboudit! Mike{;>)...........,   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train wreck! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:19 PM Hi Mike -- You need to see a Psychiatrist (that is pronounced pah - sicky - ah - trist, according to my long gone Grandmother) because you are pah-sick! Have fun! Bill Last night I had a weird dream .... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53539	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Camera bellows material

Hi -- Unfortunately, I nuked the address for the really fine gentleman on one of these groups that sent me bellows material gratis. Many thanks, and sorry I lost your address! ( I hope you get this...) Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53540	From: John	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator

Now here is a real circus layout to have http://www.ser-nmra.org/pdf/souv50n1.5.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Asp" <larry.asp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator > Do you have a web site? - or photos of your reproduction circus cutouts? I > might be interested in buying one from you. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "boguscop1953" <boguscop1953@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:48 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator > > > They went for $1000. on eBay yesterday. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: >> >> >> Wow!! $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never >> actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts >> (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this >> is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! >> >> Joe >> Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 >> 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 >> Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer >> ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... >> American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line >> joestrainrepair@...####################.Master Card/Visa honored >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53541	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")

The new "MTH/BIG L" catalog is out. The Tin Plate repo's of "0" and Standard Gauge stuff and tinplate accessories. If you want an American Flyer Standard Gauge set, they'll sell you one for only $1799.95 MSRP. (Is that what $75.00 of 1930 dollars would be today?) Big "L" seems to be going nuts with new catalogs, I hope they sell enough to pay for the printing. (Or will they be in line to get bail-out money?) Well, I hope they are able to get the "S" they have offered and sell that. I know some of you have items on order. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53542	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Collector vs. Operator

No I don't have a site.... I will put up the set on ebay next week.... will try to post photos on this site first... Bob --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:41 AM Do you have a web site? - or photos of your reproduction circus cutouts? I might be interested in buying one from you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "boguscop1953" <boguscop1953@ yahoo.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator They went for $1000. on eBay yesterday. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@ ...> wrote: > > > Wow!! $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never > actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts > (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this > is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! > > Joe > Joe's Train Repair.##### ######### ######### ####.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road.####### ######### ######### ###.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge.###### ######### ####.American Flyer Parts Dealer > ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... > American Models.##.DesPlaine s Hobbies.##.S- Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@ ...###### ######### #####.Master Card/Visa honored > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53543	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")

Probably a little cheap but not far off it. It could be 2000 to 2500 dollars relative to a good workers wage. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JFrederick Roberts Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:54 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S") The new "MTH/BIG L" catalog is out. The Tin Plate repo's of "0" and Standard Gauge stuff and tinplate accessories. If you want an American Flyer Standard Gauge set, they'll sell you one for only $1799.95 MSRP. (Is that what $75.00 of 1930 dollars would be today?) Big "L" seems to be going nuts with new catalogs, I hope they sell enough to pay for the printing. (Or will they be in line to get bail-out money?) Well, I hope they are able to get the "S" they have offered and sell that. I know some of you have items on order. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53544	From: The LANIERs	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")

$75 in 1930, translates to $952 today, according to CPI tables. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S") The new "MTH/BIG L" catalog is out. The Tin Plate repo's of "0" and Standard Gauge stuff and tinplate accessories. If you want an American Flyer Standard Gauge set, they'll sell you one for only $1799.95 MSRP. (Is that what $75.00 of 1930 dollars would be today?) Big "L" seems to be going nuts with new catalogs, I hope they sell enough to pay for the printing. (Or will they be in line to get bail-out money?) Well, I hope they are able to get the "S" they have offered and sell that. I know some of you have items on order. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53545	From: Jim King	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Southern's radio control car in O and S

I will be producing the O scale version the Southern/NS radio control car in resin about mid-April for a customer. Since manipulating CAD files to create patterns in other scales is not too difficult, offering an S scale version is only a matter of reaching a minimum-order quantity and justifying pattern costs. If you are interested in having this car produced in S scale as a 1-pc resin body with separate underframe, trucks, couplers and decals, please contact me off list. These cars are unique to the SR/NS but were seen at major terminals jointly inhabited by non-SR roads. Built by Berwick in 1966, these cars ran until at least the late 1990s when on-board radio receivers were installed on new diesels, thus eliminating the "RC" car's purpose. Target retail price is $90 and, if produced, will be a limited run to reflect firm orders plus a few spares. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53546	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!

Mike, It was only a dream. LOL hey wait, Neil Young has a song on Prairie Wind CD, "Only a Dream". The engine is fine, as I need to get back working on the layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train wreck! Mike, So long as any of the little parts or pieces do not turn into nano-bugs such as those on Stragate SG-1, you'll be ok. Not to worry. Waite a minute! SG???? You don't suppose???? Naah! Fergetaboudit! Mike{;>)..........., Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train wreck! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:19 PM Hi Mike -- You need to see a Psychiatrist (that is pronounced pah - sicky - ah - trist, according to my long gone Grandmother) because you are pah-sick! Have fun! Bill Last night I had a weird dream .... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53547	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Circus Cutouts

Maybe the thread of discussion can be carried under this heading. I, for one am sure tired of seeing the subject misspelled. I'll put my ruler away, now. Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53548	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S")

L300 in 1763 equals 2.5 million. Sorry I had to throw that in, due to the below from PAflyrman. It is the amount that George Washington Spent at Mt. Vernon in 5 years for "things". No trains however, as I am reading a book on him. Okay, back to trains. I did have a near crash tonight just like in my dream!!!! Remember my wonderful AM diesel that needed work as I never used it in 15 years? Well, I have DCC and I was told that I can use one non DCC engine on the layout but setting the control code for it to 0. Well, I set it on the track and turn on the power and this AM engine takes off at full speed heading right for a S Helper Caboose, that works, for a rear end collision. I start to go for it, to grab the engine, but I could not get it, as with quick thinking, I turn off the power strip!!!!! So, my dream was a pre-cursor to what was to be and I was ready!!!!!!! I had practice in my dream with what was to be, if I did not react in the right way!!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: The LANIERs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S") $75 in 1930, translates to $952 today, according to CPI tables. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] More Collector vs. Operator. sort of (if not "S") The new "MTH/BIG L" catalog is out. The Tin Plate repo's of "0" and Standard Gauge stuff and tinplate accessories. If you want an American Flyer Standard Gauge set, they'll sell you one for only $1799.95 MSRP. (Is that what $75.00 of 1930 dollars would be today?) Big "L" seems to be going nuts with new catalogs, I hope they sell enough to pay for the printing. (Or will they be in line to get bail-out money?) Well, I hope they are able to get the "S" they have offered and sell that. I know some of you have items on order. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53549	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Fw: Circus Layout

When I read this post I was wondering if this circus layout could compete with the circus layout I have seen in Atlanta several times. The answer is - it is the circus layout I have seen in Atlanta several times. The photos don't begin to show what an amazing layout this is. Of course at the train shows you had to beat a path through the children (young and old) to get a close look at it! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Now here is a real circus layout to have > http://www.ser-nmra.org/pdf/souv50n1.5.pdf > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Asp" <larry.asp@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator > > > > Do you have a web site? - or photos of your reproduction circus cutouts? I > > might be interested in buying one from you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "boguscop1953" <boguscop1953@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:48 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Collector vs. Operator > > > > > > They went for $1000. on eBay yesterday. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Wow!! $900 for a original set of circus cutouts that you can never > >> actually cut out and use versus $35 for a reproduction set of cutouts > >> (circus or farm set from me), which you CAN cut out and use. I guess this > >> is an excellent definition of a collector versus an operator!!! > >> > >> Joe > >> Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > >> 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > >> Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer > >> ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... > >> American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line > >> joestrainrepair@####################.Master Card/Visa honored > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53550	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader

To All: Anyone have the ramp that swivels to unload the car on a 915/715 auto unloader operating car that they want to part with? How about the solenoid plunger? I need both. I'm trying to rescue one from the junk pile. I have stuff to trade or cash, or a combination of both. Stumpy, whatca got in the parts box? Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53551	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Train wreck!

Bill, I know, believe me, I know. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train wreck! Hi Mike -- You need to see a Psychiatrist (that is pronounced pah - sicky - ah - trist, according to my long gone Grandmother) because you are pah-sick! Have fun! Bill Last night I had a weird dream .... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53552	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/27/2009
Subject: Re: Southern's radio control car in O and S

Jim, Where can I see a photo of the car? Roy Inman on 3/27/09 4:27 PM, Jim King at jimking3@... wrote: > > > > I will be producing the O scale version the Southern/NS radio control car in > resin about mid-April for a customer. Since manipulating CAD files to > create patterns in other scales is not too difficult, offering an S scale > version is only a matter of reaching a minimum-order quantity and justifying > pattern costs. > > If you are interested in having this car produced in S scale as a 1-pc resin > body with separate underframe, trucks, couplers and decals, please contact > me off list. These cars are unique to the SR/NS but were seen at major > terminals jointly inhabited by non-SR roads. Built by Berwick in 1966, > these cars ran until at least the late 1990s when on-board radio receivers > were installed on new diesels, thus eliminating the "RC" car's purpose. > > Target retail price is $90 and, if produced, will be a limited run to > reflect firm orders plus a few spares. > > Jim King > > Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. > > <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53553	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader

Bob I'm off to work now, but I know that I have one if you can't get any one else to dig you up one... Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Fri, 3/27/09, romoyer@... <romoyer@...> wrote: > From: romoyer@... <romoyer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 6:48 PM > To All: > > Anyone have the ramp that swivels to unload the car on a > 915/715 auto unloader operating car that they want to part > with? How about the solenoid plunger? I need both. I'm > trying to rescue one from the junk pile. I have stuff to > trade or cash, or a combination of both. Stumpy, whatca got > in the parts box? > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53554	From: J. Scott Mckay	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Photo update

Hi, I put the bottoms and the couplers of my Bakers Chocolate and The Right Way Tank Car. And the Northwestern Engine. In my photo section.Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53555	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: Photo update

Hi Scott and all, Since we have TWO sites for photos (actually more!), a link is always helpful. And some of us read posts via email and not at the Yahoo site. :^) Rick. > Hi, I put the bottoms and the couplers of my Bakers Chocolate and > The Right Way Tank Car. And the Northwestern Engine. In my photo > section.Scott > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53556	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: Re: 470 dual motored SF diesel needs help.

Joe's Train Repair provides this service at $30 per truck (including bushings and labor, if stripped truck is sent). Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boguscop1953" <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > > And these are the ones that require machine shop equipment to rebush, correct - i.e. the ones that do not have bushings already in them that you simply drive out and replace. If so, who on the forum offers this service? Thanks > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > It sounds like maybe you have a case of worn axle holes in the chassis. > > If you know how to disassemble the motors, do so and then check how much > > play (up & down and side to side) you have. If the holes are not worn > > egg shaped, then there will be little to no play. If there is a lot of > > play then you'll need to re-bush the chassis. I had a dual-motor unit > > that acted like yours and worn axles holes were the problem. I > > re-bushed the chassis and now it runs like a rabbit!! Worn axle holes > > are an inherent problem in the later diesels. The diecast chassis is > > softer than the steel axles so over time the steel axles will wear the > > axle holes egg-shaped. This throws the drive gears out of alignment and > > can cause the jerking action you describe. Hope this info > > helps.................. > > > > Daryl > > > > boguscop1953 wrote: > > > > > > I have a 470 that runs semi-ok in one direction but in the other it > > > shudders and jerks when starting, then gets going, and slows down > > > periodically with the jerking. I cleaned the commutators and brushes > > > and that made no difference. Would a new set of brushes help or is > > > this a gearing problem? Thanks. > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53557	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/29/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 29, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53558	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Hudson Brush Bracket

I have most of the pieces of a 322 Hudson that my father took apart to try to fix during the Kennedy Administration. As I am firmly convinced that the world would be a better place with one more working AF Hudson in it, I am hoping it can be restored. Main missing piece is the black plastic brush bracket, which I only have half of (otherwise I would try to glue it together). Does anyone know where I can get a replacement, used or repro? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53559	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/29/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 29, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53560	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson Brush Bracket

Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby,  1-978-465-8798 or www.portlines.com --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Hudson Brush Bracket To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 2:30 PM I have most of the pieces of a 322 Hudson that my father took apart to try to fix during the Kennedy Administration. As I am firmly convinced that the world would be a better place with one more working AF Hudson in it, I am hoping it can be restored. Main missing piece is the black plastic brush bracket, which I only have half of (otherwise I would try to glue it together). Does anyone know where I can get a replacement, used or repro? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53561	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Re: Hudson Brush Bracket

Try this. doug@... http://www.portlines.com/ web site To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mkperks@... Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:30:49 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Hudson Brush Bracket I have most of the pieces of a 322 Hudson that my father took apart to try to fix during the Kennedy Administration. As I am firmly convinced that the world would be a better place with one more working AF Hudson in it, I am hoping it can be restored. Main missing piece is the black plastic brush bracket, which I only have half of (otherwise I would try to glue it together). Does anyone know where I can get a replacement, used or repro? Thank you very much. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53562	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: am amtrak set

I made the same purchase quite awhile ago. AM has couplers that are American Flyer compatible for your passenger cars. They also have a replacement coupler for your Loco (just buy two of them for the front and the back. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53563	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: Full Circle Models

This is for you folks who are a bit adventuresome in S gauge. If you have ever put a set of S gauge trucks and couplers under a Bachmann On30 freight car, this is for you! I talked to a couple of guys this weekend at the Midwest Narrow Gauge Show who are turning back the kit building clock to the nineteen fifties, but with a modern twist. The head honcho is a great guy named Chris Bohn, from New York state. He laser cuts and prints Artists Board freight car parts similar to the old time kit makers but of much better quality. The graphics are really sharp and the bodies are pre-weathered, so there's little for the kit builder to do! The floor is a resin casting with separate details, or you can get the cars with pre-made Bachmann floor details. The details are all modern, top quality pieces, definately not the old time crude stuff. While these are meant to be On30 cars, the dimensions are pretty close to old time S scale cars being about 29 feet long in S. They would be very easy to put S trucks and couplers on. This is a new company and selections are limited, but there's much more to come. We discussed doing S gauge cars at length. Chris has a love for the John Allen era of modeling and the sense of humor to go with it. If you're interested go to www.fullcmodels.com Stumpy Stone...back from the show.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53565	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/29/2009
Subject: On-line: Model Railroad Hobbyist

Greetings, You may want to follow this link, if you haven't already, this e-magazine is a free download done in rich .pdf format, its interactive, and most important, its free. http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/ Model Railroad Hobbyist.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53566	From: Mike Lenssen	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: American Models Amtrak Set

Thanks for all of the suggestions!   I'm leaning towards buying the preassembled S-Helper couplers.  If I body mount them to the box car, will it still be able to negotiate standard American Flyer curves? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53567	From: race944t	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader

What color ramp do you want? The most common is yellow and I have several junkers with ramps, solenoids, and the base for the ramp. Contact me offline if interested. "Banker" Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53568	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader

I have one complete with base and solenoid that has original wires and is in pretty good shape.. Contact me at _snstrains@aol_ (mailto:snstrains@aol) if you are interested. Steve **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53569	From: flyerman336	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: MIKADO SMOKER

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Evans" <allen.evans@...> wrote: > > Would anyone know what the part number is on the Lionel Flyer smoker made by Seuthe? > > > Thanks > > Allen Evans > NMRA / NASG > Crescent City S-Gaugers > Seuthe Smoke Unit-6408036200/Smoke Unit/Seuthe-A/F Mikado Smoke Unit Gasket-6408036202/Smoke Unit Gasket-A/F Mikado Smoke Unit Support-6408036201/Smoke Unit Support-A/F Mikado You may not need the support but I would order a couple of gaskets. Take your time but be carefull.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53570	From: Phil K	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: MIKADO SMOKER plus "How-To Guide" with photos

Allen -- On Paul Yorke's website I posted step-by-step how-to guide for replacing the Mikado smoke unit. It is here: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/philk/ The page with the part numbers is here: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/philk/Mikako/Mikado+smoke+repair+2_001.jpg.html Phil K ========================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Evans" <allen.evans@...> wrote: > > Would anyone know what the part number is on the Lionel Flyer smoker made by Seuthe? > > > Thanks > > Allen Evans > NMRA / NASG > Crescent City S-Gaugers >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53571	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Command Control Poll?

I thought it might be helpful to a lot of us relative forum newcomers to learn what the consensus is regarding computerization of our trains. TMCC seems to be popular, but DCC seems to have support as well. The various "flavors" available (Digitrax, Lenz, etc.) of DCC would also complicate the issue. When the economy improves and we have more money in our pockets, we may want to bring our engines and accessories into the 21st century, but in the meantime we can think about it. Should the poll just ask TMCC vs. DCC, or should DCC be broken down by vendor? Any other ideas? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53572	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Hey Matthew, This poll is a good idea. I recommend you also include 'none of the above' for some of us folks who refuse the command control options. If you want to be really complete, include multiple, DC and AC as the options in place of 'none'. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Command Control Poll? I thought it might be helpful to a lot of us relative forum newcomers to learn what the consensus is regarding computerization of our trains. TMCC seems to be popular, but DCC seems to have support as well. The various "flavors" available (Digitrax, Lenz, etc.) of DCC would also complicate the issue. When the economy improves and we have more money in our pockets, we may want to bring our engines and accessories into the 21st century, but in the meantime we can think about it. Should the poll just ask TMCC vs. DCC, or should DCC be broken down by vendor? Any other ideas? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53573	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

All DCC systems and throttles work with all other DCC decoders and such. They meet standars set out by the NMRA for compatibility. Not necessary to break it down by vendor. TMCC on the other hand is proprietory to Lionel. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/30/2009 12:41:43 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mkperks@... writes: I thought it might be helpful to a lot of us relative forum newcomers to learn what the consensus is regarding computerization of our trains. TMCC seems to be popular, but DCC seems to have support as well. The various "flavors" available (Digitrax, Lenz, etc.) of DCC would also complicate the issue. When the economy improves and we have more money in our pockets, we may want to bring our engines and accessories into the 21st century, but in the meantime we can think about it. Should the poll just ask TMCC vs. DCC, or should DCC be broken down by vendor? Any other ideas? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53574	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Hi Matthew,   ===== I thought it might be helpful to a lot of us relative forum newcomers to learn what the consensus is regarding computerization of our trains. TMCC seems to be popular, but DCC seems to have support as well. . Should the poll just ask TMCC vs. DCC, or should DCC be broken down by vendor? Any other ideas? =====   I'll wade in with my opinion for conversation's sake.   Since TMCC is strictly a one-horse show, incompatible with NMRA standards for DCC, the poll should simply cover TMCC vs the NMRA standards for Digitall Command Control. Breaking down DCC by vendor is really not an issue since any DCC decoder following the standards would function on any manufacturer's system regardless who makes it.   If a person wants the advantages of purchasing any decoder to install in any locomotive, then DCC is the only choice since there is competition among the various manufacturers that follow the DCC standards..   TMCC is simply a single-use system limited in it's abilities and restricted by one manufacturer's idea of how to use it. No competition also dictates the fact manufacturer could charge $1000.00 for a decoder alone since nothing else will work on it.   Earlier manufacturers of Command Control systems are now defunct because of the same logic. Lionell should consider following the NMRA standards in the event they decide they no longer want to produce their stand-alone system.   I am not saying that TMCC might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread but I had already fallen into the proprietary trap with a system that vanished like smoke in a hurricane. I prefer to have something that several people manufacture rather than only one.   It sort of reminds me of car manufacturers that made right and left-hand threaded lugnuts for the same car. Where can you find parts for them now?   I think this might start a lively thread. Please keep in mind that these personal opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53575	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Hi Bill,   ===== This poll is a good idea. I recommend you also include 'none of the above' for some of us folks who refuse the command control options. If you want to be really complete, include multiple, DC and AC as the options in place of 'none'. ====== Unfortunately, AC or DC do not qualify as Command Control and I believe that is the basis for the poll.   Respectfully, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53576	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

And you might also include the MTH DCS system, which will run anything. I have had a little experience using it at our Holiday Village layout at Union Station Kansas City and I like it a lot. We ran everything from old Flyer to SHS to new MTH Tinplate to G equipment from various manufacturers. I will be using it for my permanent S layout and my modular Wide Gauge layout. Roy Inman on 3/30/09 5:12 PM, Nick Kulp at cornwall9@... wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, >   > ===== > This poll is a good idea. I recommend you also include 'none of the above' > for some of us folks who refuse the command control options. If you want to > be really complete, include multiple, DC and AC as the options in place of > 'none'. > ====== > > Unfortunately, AC or DC do not qualify as Command Control and I believe that > is the basis for the poll. >   > Respectfully, > Nick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53577	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

I use TMCC, as many Lionel Flyer engines come with this standard. Which is best? Since I have not used DCC can't say, except I chose to pick one and stick with it. Does DCC work on tracks where AC is used to power the trains? Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53578	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Hi Nick, Yes, we all know that DC and AC are not command control. However, for the poll to be useful, would be a good idea to measure whatever control systems are in place or expected to be used. That is why TV program ratings include both the percentage of houses and the overall number of houses watching any program. If we are considering successful CC, the poll also should consider MTH's DCS. I know folks with that stuff in their S-gauge trains, too. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Kulp Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Command Control Poll? Hi Bill, ===== This poll is a good idea. I recommend you also include 'none of the above' for some of us folks who refuse the command control options. If you want to be really complete, include multiple, DC and AC as the options in place of 'none'. ====== Unfortunately, AC or DC do not qualify as Command Control and I believe that is the basis for the poll. Respectfully, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53579	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Roy,   MTH DCS is also NOT a true Command Control system compatible with the NMRA standard. If you look at a true DCC system, it will be totally compatible with any other DCC system in regards to functionality.   MTH DCS is another proprietory system, incompatible with any standard NMRA compliant DCC system. DCS components will not function with STANDARD DCC devices.   It is similar to having someone make 3" golf balls. They will only go into the courses 3" holes built by the manufacturer.. You also have to have the clubs that can hit 3" balls made by that manufacturer. The method of keeping score with 3" balls subtracts a stroke every time you hit the ball, etc. The rules do not follow the recognized standards.   Proprietory systems do not play with others at all. At least DCC systems that follow the NMRA standard permit control of analog (DC) equipment as well as any other DCC compatible system. Locomotives made DCC compatible will work with any DCC decoder because of the standards. Even the wire color-coding is made to comply with the standards.   Everyone will usually buy what they like based on what their friends use so they can operate on each other's layouts. Or because they found a feature that they like in "their" system.   Trying to compare proprietory systems against a group of systems that follow a standard is like trying to determine which grain of sand is the prettiest. Very soon, I would expect someone that is still using 6 Volts DC batteries to add that to the different control methods.   Perhaps the poll shold be various proprietory systems Vs. DCC. Regardless, each person will invest a TON of money to support their personal favorite in the hopes that the company will continue to manufacture it. It is becoming difficult to find anyone that manufactures model railroad equipment that does not at least address DCC in their product. I don't see many scale companies trying to make their equipment compatible with non-standard components or systems. It would be virtually impossible or not cost efficient.   I like to operate my American Flyer as manufactured, with a transformer. I use DCC for my scale equipment since most makers produce them DCC compatible, or now, decoder equipped. My scale will work on any layout, DC or DCC.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53580	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

It is true in DCC that if you have, say, five locomotives, you can five different decoders, a different brand in each loco. You might even have one brand motor decoder and a different sound decoder in the same loco. But your layout only has one central command station, and the cabs (things you hold in your hand) must be of the same brand. Here there are some strong fellings as to which brand is best. The majority of people I talk to prefer NCE, but Digitrax has a following, as do Lenz and several others. Some might find it interesting to see the trend among S Gaugers as to which brand of DCC system is getting the most following. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53581	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Thanks Bill,   ===== Yes, we all know that DC and AC are not command control. However, for the poll to be useful, would be a good idea to measure whatever control systems are in place or expected to be used. If we are considering successful CC, the poll also should consider MTH's DCS. I know folks with that stuff in their S-gauge trains, too. ======   If by "in place" you mean still being used somewhere, by someone, I would like to include my CTC-16 system and Mann-Made CC systems in the poll as well. Both systems are still in use and on more than one model railroad and they can be added to any locomotive in any scale.   On a side note, I would be very happy to sell my excess equipment to anyone still using it. <grin>   Only joking friends. I think there is room for any system in this huge hobby of ours. I'd love for someone to come up with a solar-powered system for Garden railroads. I think that would be a great idea.   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53582	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

PVMR's layout is set up to run A/C, D/C and DCC, by moving switches or connections. I have TMCC Flyonel we might run also. We are now doing "training" on member Dave Pierce's home layout, pursuant to further upgrading our layout and helping to construct an HO layout for TCA's NTTM.. Jim "tables E-16 & 17 in the Orange Hall" Lyle In a message dated 3/30/2009 7:45:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Thanks Bill, ===== Yes, we all know that DC and AC are not command control. However, for the poll to be useful, would be a good idea to measure whatever control systems are in place or expected to be used. If we are considering successful CC, the poll also should consider MTH's DCS. I know folks with that stuff in their S-gauge trains, too. ====== If by "in place" you mean still being used somewhere, by someone, I would like to include my CTC-16 system and Mann-Made CC systems in the poll as well. Both systems are still in use and on more than one model railroad and they can be added to any locomotive in any scale. On a side note, I would be very happy to sell my excess equipment to anyone still using it. <grin> Only joking friends. I think there is room for any system in this huge hobby of ours. I'd love for someone to come up with a solar-powered system for Garden railroads. I think that would be a great idea. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53583	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Hmmm.... All I know is that with a few clicks and scrolls of the DCS handheld, we can run a TMCC engine, an old Flyer engine, or any other engine on the layout. Not on the same track of course, unless the engines are Proto Sound 2.0 Roy Inman on 3/30/09 7:27 PM, Nick Kulp at cornwall9@... wrote: > > > > Roy, >   > MTH DCS is also NOT a true Command Control system compatible with the NMRA > standard. If you look at a true DCC system, it will be totally compatible with > any other DCC system in regards to functionality. >   > MTH DCS is another proprietory system, incompatible with any standard NMRA > compliant DCC system. DCS components will not function with STANDARD DCC > devices. >   > It is similar to having someone make 3" golf balls. They will only go into the > courses 3" holes built by the manufacturer.. You also have to have the clubs > that can hit 3" balls made by that manufacturer. The method of keeping score > with 3" balls subtracts a stroke every time you hit the ball, etc. The rules > do not follow the recognized standards. >   > Proprietory systems do not play with others at all. At least DCC systems that > follow the NMRA standard permit control of analog (DC) equipment as well as > any other DCC compatible system. Locomotives made DCC compatible will work > with any DCC decoder because of the standards. Even the wire color-coding is > made to comply with the standards. >   > Everyone will usually buy what they like based on what their friends use so > they can operate on each other's layouts. Or because they found a feature that > they like in "their" system. >   > Trying to compare proprietory systems against a group of systems that follow a > standard is like trying to determine which grain of sand is the prettiest. > Very soon, I would expect someone that is still using 6 Volts DC batteries to > add that to the different control methods. >   > Perhaps the poll shold be various proprietory systems Vs. DCC. Regardless, > each person will invest a TON of money to support their personal favorite in > the hopes that the company will continue to manufacture it. It is becoming > difficult to find anyone that manufactures model railroad equipment that does > not at least address DCC in their product. I don't see many scale companies > trying to make their equipment compatible with non-standard components or > systems. It would be virtually impossible or not cost efficient. >   > I like to operate my American Flyer as manufactured, with a transformer. I use > DCC for my scale equipment since most makers produce them DCC compatible, or > now, decoder equipped. My scale will work on any layout, DC or DCC. >   > Respectfully, > Nick Kulp > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53584	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

How about those who use multiple systems? We have customers that I know have TMCC engines that have purchased DCC as well as LocoMatic. Maybe the poll should include all system that are presently used. Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53585	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Dear Tom, Not true. Some cabs from other systems can work together (e.g. Lenz and Easy DCC). Don On Mar 30, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > ... the cabs must be of the same brand. > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 3 > New Members > 9 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53586	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: More on DCC-TMCC

Yes on the AC power for DCC units. I powered mine with an old Lionel T type AC transformer set at 18 v. Have since changed to a Digitrax 5 amp power supply that is also AC. The control stations of DCC automatically adjust the voltage to a fixed amount from whatever AC power supply you use. It sends it to the track as a sort of square wave AC that is converted to DC by the decoders for the DC motors in the locos. I can't say anything about the TMCC, because I don't know anything. Steve SnS Trains Boiose

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53587	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

OOOPS-- forgot we have Locomatic on the PVMR layout also. Jim "tables E-16 & 17 in the ORANGE Hall" Lyle In a message dated 3/30/2009 9:52:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, don@... writes: How about those who use multiple systems? We have customers that I know have TMCC engines that have purchased DCC as well as LocoMatic. Maybe the poll should include all system that are presently used. Best, Don ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53588	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Command Control Poll?( one more reply)

OK, here's the deal. My layout runs AC, DC, TMCC, DCC, and Locomatic all on the same loop. It is just a flick of a couple of DPDT switches that make this possible. I have to have this because I work on all of those systems (except TMCC) Carl Tuveson posted a block diagram of my layout power on the list site somewhere. He might jump in here and tell you where. Steve SnS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53589	From: Al	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: SHS American Flyer compatible wheelsets for sale.

I have 14 SHS American Flyer compatible wheelsets for sale. Each wheelset contains 4 pointed axles with 2 wheels per axle - one wheelset for 2 trucks or one train car. SHS sells these for $4.95/set of 4 --- I will sell what I have for $3.50/set of 4 or 1 wheelset. These would be great to have to convert any SHS scale rolling stock back to high rail. Buyer pays for shipping costs - I will pay for insurance if you want it. Email me to purchase these sets. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53590	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

More on radio controlled locomotives. Here is the link to Aristocraft's new catalog - check out page 26 -2 7. http://www.aristocraft.com/catalog/index.html Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Command Control Poll? I thought it might be helpful to a lot of us relative forum newcomers to learn what the consensus is regarding computerization of our trains. TMCC seems to be popular, but DCC seems to have support as well. The various "flavors" available (Digitrax, Lenz, etc.) of DCC would also complicate the issue. When the economy improves and we have more money in our pockets, we may want to bring our engines and accessories into the 21st century, but in the meantime we can think about it. Should the poll just ask TMCC vs. DCC, or should DCC be broken down by vendor? Any other ideas? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53591	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

I'm planning a new layout (after my house-hunting nets me more space) having both 0 and S - somehow. I run both traditional and TMCC in both gauges; a ZW for 0 and 2 30Bs for S.With the transformers in phase, I can use one CC Base for both sets of track. All that is necessary is remembering the numbers assigned to the engines. I'll likely get the module that allows CC to traditional locos, a pal has done this and the control that he has is amazing. Converting to DC is something that I won't do-there is enough tied to CC that I am committed to get on board with the whole system. Besides, I think it's so cool to answer the door and blow the horn or whistle on what I'm running just by carrying the remote.- john Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53592	From: ac312	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: NYC Mikado chuffing again!

Finally found the time to replace the already once replaced (by Lionel Service dept.) micro switch. Since they were currently unavailable from 'L' I purchased the ones Steve Lunde offered for sale on this list. Thank you Steve! Thanks also to Bob Guckian for the tip about shimming the bracket 0.020". Since the switch still actuates using a shim the factory setup provided way too much overtravel and was actually damaging the switch internally. The one I removed didn't 'click' anymore when the actuator was depressed -- it failed after about 15 minutes of run time. Making such a tiny shim with the two holes in it was probably the toughest part of the project! So don't give up hope on the early Mikados. It is a shame that Lionel couldn't fix the problem -- I certainly wasn't about to send it to them a second time. You shouldn't have to be a technician to run your trains. Thanks again to all the posters on this subject. S-trains is the best! Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53593	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Matt, IMHO, there is another option looming on the horizon that is really exciting - at least to me. Self-contained, battery-operated, radio control. The large scale (garden railway) guys have been doing it for a while, the On30 bunch have experimented with cannibalizing RC cars very successfully and Aristocraft is introducing a system small enough to be used in HO. Cost seems to be a bit pricey now, but comparable to DCC. Sound appears to be on the way. The biggest advantage, at least to me, is NO TRACK WIRING AND CLEANING! If you are interested, here is a link to one of the threads on the Free-Rails forum: http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=1221 <http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=1221&forum_id=45> &forum_id=45 Just a thought. Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Perks Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Command Control Poll? I thought it might be helpful to a lot of us relative forum newcomers to learn what the consensus is regarding computerization of our trains. TMCC seems to be popular, but DCC seems to have support as well. The various "flavors" available (Digitrax, Lenz, etc.) of DCC would also complicate the issue. When the economy improves and we have more money in our pockets, we may want to bring our engines and accessories into the 21st century, but in the meantime we can think about it. Should the poll just ask TMCC vs. DCC, or should DCC be broken down by vendor? Any other ideas? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53594	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

After reading all the dialogue regarding this or that system, how about a response box like "Confused, but Unconcerned."  :)  Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Kulp" <cornwall9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 4:12:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Command Control Poll? Hi Bill,   ===== This poll is a good idea. I recommend you also include 'none of the above' for some of us folks who refuse the command control options. If you want to be really complete, include multiple, DC and AC as the options in place of 'none'. ====== Unfortunately, AC or DC do not qualify as Command Control and I believe that is the basis for the poll.   Respectfully, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53595	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

Don, I agree. I have AF, AC, AF DC, Showcase Lines DC, DCC ( two manufacturers), AF Compatible, American Models AC, DC I have over 600 rolling stock, 50 or so engines. ---- Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > How about those who use multiple systems? We have customers that I > know have TMCC engines that have purchased DCC as well as LocoMatic. > Maybe the poll should include all system that are presently used. > Best, > Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53596	From: boguscop1953	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

Hi All: I have a 761 that is missing the pin on the semaphore blade. This is the pin that fits in the long "rod" that actuates the blade. The semaphore blade is in good shape, the pin is just missing. Does anyone have or sell only this pin? I dont need the entire blade. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53597	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll?

And lets not forget the most basic of "Command and Control". With my AF transformer I can command the reversing unit to cycle and also vary the speed of the engine. And with the push of a button I can produce an irritating sound from an ALCO diesel and some steam engine tenders. Aah, pure Gilbert American Flyer! :) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > I thought it might be helpful to a lot of us relative forum newcomers to learn what the consensus is regarding computerization of our trains. TMCC seems to be popular, but DCC seems to have support as well. The various "flavors" available (Digitrax, Lenz, etc.) of DCC would also complicate the issue. When the economy improves and we have more money in our pockets, we may want to bring our engines and accessories into the 21st century, but in the meantime we can think about it. Should the poll just ask TMCC vs. DCC, or should DCC be broken down by vendor? > Any other ideas? > Thank you very much. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53598	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Re: Command Control Poll [S-Trains] Digest Number 4419

There are so many misconceptions implied in the following statement that one almost doesn't know where to start. Electric RR Company TMCC commander and sound sets are available from Lionel for about $115 apiece, not a $1000. TMCC was developed by Neil Young/Liontech before there were fully formed definitive NMRA standards for CC, and if Lionel had to follow NMRA standards it would not be as user and installation friendly as it is. A command base/Cab-1 setup for about $100 and a piece of wire is all one needs to make a whole layout TMCC capable. And, as far as one can tell, TMCC/Legacy, Lionel, and the happy users of TMCC are not going away any time soon. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/31/2009 6:20:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: No competition also dictates the fact manufacturer could charge $1000.00 for a decoder alone since nothing else will work on it. Earlier manufacturers of Command Control systems are now defunct because of the same logic. Lionell should consider following the NMRA standards in the event they decide they no longer want to produce their stand-alone system. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53599	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 3/31/2009
Subject: Poll Is Up!

OK, everyone please feel free to check out the poll. Let the games begin! Thanks to everyone for their thoughts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53600	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: And you ..THINK ..you have a Train set.....Not Likely

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53601	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!

Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=2844822

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53602	From: pontiac231sc	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: American Models NH PA's

For how long did American Models make the New Haven ABA sets? I got a set (AC high rail) in 2002 and have only used it once. I noticed that they have been out of stock for a while; I also remember when I got it, it was a long wait. Are these guys difficult to obtain and so potential collector's items? Is there any demand for the Budd passenger cars (also AC high rail)? I got a set of chrome NYC, which are still mint in the box, because the New Haven sets were not available. Now that the New Havens are available I would like to match them together. Are the New Haven cars the same colors as the PA diesels? Does anybody have any photos of the New Haven PA's matched with the Budd passenger cars? Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53603	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!

You'll probably hear this comment more than once, but the question you posed, "Which is the 'best' ...", is different than "What do you use?"  I answered "DC" because I think that would be the best, had Gilbert switched to all-DC.   However, I only use conventional AC because that's what AF Gilbert used and it's least expensive to operate with my old equipment. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:05:44 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Poll Is Up! Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=2844822 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!

I did not see a listing in the catogory of "rubber band power" as that could be other. LOL I have little solar units in my engines now. Just kidding. Looks like the company that made the O gauge grandstands is not sending me my S gauge grandstands, as I returned them on March 2 for exchange. they have not answered my emails. Soooooo, looks like time to contact the credit card company. So, I will be making my own, as the seat part on the grandstand is 2 inch thick by 10" wide and as long as I want it. Upost are 2 x 6 with 2 x4 for support under the seat. Right now I am starting my long produce loading platform by GClaser. Mike Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53605	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > You'll probably hear this comment more than once, but the question >you posed, "Which is the 'best' ...", is different than "What do you >use?" I did that on purpose. For example, someone could still be researching and not yet ready to spend the money to convert (like me!) or they could be using one system and learning that they would have done it differently if they had known more.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53606	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!

I understand your intent - to help those not yet decided.  I've seen a similar poll somewhere, probably on the CTT forum.  I think it dealt more with "What are you using?"  Maybe it was here.   I don't know.  My memory must have been infected by that new April Fools Day worm!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:25:02 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Poll Is Up! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , jimensign50@... wrote: > > You'll probably hear this comment more than once, but the question >you posed, "Which is the 'best' ...", is different than "What do you >use?" I did that on purpose. For example, someone could still be researching and not yet ready to spend the money to convert (like me!) or they could be using one system and learning that they would have done it differently if they had known more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53607	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Flyer wanted

I am looking for some tank cars 625 1] a silver Shell 2] a silver Gulf (3] a 650 link with lighting )

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53608	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: New control method tested

One method that I have used in the past was to use air to propel the trains. The method was tested on a layout I built while assisting in the design of a friend's sky-diving chamber.   A sky-diving chamber uses high-horsepower motors with fans ducted through areas in the floor of the chamber to literally "lift" potential sky divers while learning the techniques of aerodynamics and control while sky diving.   I purchaced two surplus motors from my friend's supplier. The motors were housed in a seperate shed outside the house to reduce the noise and special ducting was run from the shed to the supply tubing in the layout room. I added several yards of special high-pressure tubing placed in holes drilled at a slight angle through the benchwork under the rails. There were two tubes placed side by side at opposing angles to provide bi-directional operation. I also eliminated the motors and gearing from all of the locomotives and added ball bearings to all rolling stock to provide the least resistance from the equipment.   The layout was fairly simple with a few loops of track as this was a test system but we did add some simple scenery and structures. The entire layout measured 5' X 12' andit was all S Guage as O Guage or larger provided too much weight.   The layout was completed on March 31, 2008 and at midnight, my crew and I placed our equipment on the rails and threw the breakers to the motors providing the thrust. They cranked up to maximum speed and I opened the valves to permit the airflow to come through the special tubing.   At 1201 April 1st, 2007, the first unmanned S Guage layout was launched into orbit due to the failure of the designer to add pressure control valves to the supply lines.   I have since returned to convential electrical control for my model railroading layouts.   I hope you have all enjoyed this terrible attempt at an April Fool's Joke and please forgive me. I just couldn't help myself.   Kindest regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53609	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: NYC Mikado chuffing again!

Don, Thanks for the recap. Glad to hear all is well with your early Mike. Thanks also to Bob G and Steve L for your helpful shim tip, and OEM P/N's and sources. Great info as I'm fairly certain with my early Mikes it's not a matter of if, but when, their switches will fail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53610	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Up!

With the question as posed, I couldn't participate in your poll for one simple reason. There is no "best way." There are many alternatives, as noted, each of which has its advantages. To say one is best, implies that others are deficient in some way, which they are not. We are all in this for the enjoyment of the hobby and whatever power system facilitates that is best for us. While I presently operate AC, like Jim, I plan on using a switchable AC/DC system when I construct my new layout to facilitate the operation of my original DC flyer locomotives as well.. For me the additional expense of electronic control systems is not worth it. Also, I don't want to modify the original flyer locomotives to something other than their original state. Dale Smith Matthew Perks wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > jimensign50@... wrote: > > > > You'll probably hear this comment more than once, but the question > >you posed, "Which is the 'best' ...", is different than "What do you > >use?" > > I did that on purpose. For example, someone could still be researching > and not yet ready to spend the money to convert (like me!) or they > could be using one system and learning that they would have done it > differently if they had known more. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53611	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

Are you looking for the PA11144 operating rod that's in the post - mast? The shouldered screw $-283? The pin in the blade it's self next to the hole for the screw? If it's the the pin in the blade you may need to make one. The blade came as one item - XA-10941-RP signal arm & lens assembly. Clayton OR, Milwaukie --- On Tue, 3/31/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:12 AM > Hi All: > > I have a 761 that is missing the pin on the semaphore > blade. This is the pin that fits in the long "rod" > that actuates the blade. The semaphore blade is in good > shape, the pin is just missing. Does anyone have or sell > only this pin? I dont need the entire blade. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53612	From: jim_marski	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Gilbert Flyer items for sale

Selling the following- Gilbert 30B transformer- looks and works excellent- $159 Gilbert 336 large motor- ex- condition, black running boars have minor chipping, runs forward only- $469 Gilbert 21084 C&NW steam loco and tender- VG+ condition, scuffs on boiler, not running- $139 Gilbert 21084 C&NW steam loco and tender- VG- condition- scuffs and small melt mark on boiler top, not running- $119 Gilbert 21085 Milwaukee road version- Ex condition- wants to run, but binding- $89 Gilbert 21085- C&NW version- VG condition- rust on tender wheels- runs good in rverse only- $65 Gilbert 313 steam loco and tender- EX cond, large motor, runs good- $225 Gilbert 313 steam lco and tender- VG cond, small motor, runs good- $180 Gilbert 21105 steam loco and tender- untested- missing trailing truck and one front step- $20 Gilbert 21573 electric loco- EX cond- original decals, runs great- $359 Gilbert Santa Fe 485 PB unit- VG cond- light scuffing- $179 Gilbert 21922 and 21922-1 Mopac PA diesle set- VG- condition- scuffs and scratches- paint chip on blue section of 21922-1 roof, runs well, original nose decals, $579 Grey rubber roadbed- 18 straight and 10 curve- good to VG condition, all with nice clean track- $80 All prices plus shipping, Will accept check, MO or visa/mastercard. If intrested, email me at marski@... DO NOT USE YAHOO MAIL Thanks, Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53613	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: 375 Switcher

Wow, look at this with over 1 day to go! Anybody have one of these lying around? http://tinyurl.com/cjx56n eBay item #250396868307

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53614	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

I might put mine up !!!!!! Bob --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 375 Switcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:13 PM Wow, look at this with over 1 day to go! Anybody have one of these lying around? http://tinyurl. com/cjx56n eBay item #250396868307 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53615	From: Larry Asp	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Yup - there was one for sale around some where around Buffalo New York -- a fellow had one for sale in the $300.00 - $400.00 range at a train show in Depew NY last month, was in decent but played with condition. Cant remember who he is or if he finally sold it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 375 Switcher > Wow, look at this with over 1 day to go! Anybody have one of these lying > around? > > http://tinyurl.com/cjx56n > > eBay item #250396868307 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53616	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/1/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Just a word of caution.....this seller has very limited feedback, and NO feedback as a seller! Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > Wow, look at this with over 1 day to go! Anybody have one of these lying around? > > http://tinyurl.com/cjx56n > > eBay item #250396868307 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53617	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: New control method tested

Had me laughing! Bill Winans One method that I have used in the past was to use air to propel the trains... Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53618	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 SWITCHER

I stand corrected, my error T&M lists it as 1953.. I stated 54...Sorry, Mike PS: SELLER also states it being marked as 53 **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53619	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P 375... 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who In a message dated 4/1/2009 9:10:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, doug@... writes: Just a word of caution.....Just a word of caution.....<WBR>this seller has very limited feedback, Doug --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > Wow, look at this with over 1 day to go! Anybody have one of these lying around? > > _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/cjx56n) > > eBay item #250396868307 > **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53620	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the GM 375 have a bell inside? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53621	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: New control method tested

Actually there WAS an air powered layout back in the late eighties or early ninties in one of the magazines (MR or RMC)that operated very much as you explain. It was not to any scale (trains were much smaller than Z scale)and was built on a masonite base with thousands of tiny holes drilled into the "track" area to power the train. The "track" was actually a sort of a ditch that ran around the layout and the trains were made of paper and were just body shells strung together with a length of thread. Power was a small fan as I recell. The whole layout was perhaps 18" square. Another, bigger, air powered railroad was the first subway in New York City. It was about a block long and built in secret in the era of Boss Twead. The builder was connected with Scientific American magazine. And of course there is the Del-Air switch machine system availible for all model railroads today if you don't like wiring switch machines. Stumpy Stone...obviously at this too long to have picked up such useless information...Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53622	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Don, no bell. Has air-chime whistle with speaker. 1953. Harwood **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53623	From: Ralph Kahn	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Invitation to join Buildings and Structures Group

Railroad buildings and structures is a great place for the Railroad Modelers of all scales to build buildings and structures found along the Railroad, also a great place to pass on ideas, knowledge and to trade or share plans with other modelers of all scales and weather you are a Garden Railroader or a table top Railroader we all build models for our layouts.. Just Click on the link below to join. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/buildingsandstructures Come join in .. All is Welcome Any Questions about the group drop me an e-mail trackside@... Come join and have Fun Ralph

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53624	From: boguscop1953	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

Yes, I am looking for just the pin that goes in the blade next to the screw. Thanks for your reply. Anyone out there have just the pin? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > > Are you looking for the PA11144 operating rod that's in the post - mast? The shouldered screw $-283? The pin in the blade it's self next to the hole for the screw? If it's the the pin in the blade you may need to make one. The blade came as one item - XA-10941-RP signal arm & lens assembly. > > Clayton > OR, Milwaukie > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > > > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:12 AM > > Hi All: > > > > I have a 761 that is missing the pin on the semaphore > > blade. This is the pin that fits in the long "rod" > > that actuates the blade. The semaphore blade is in good > > shape, the pin is just missing. Does anyone have or sell > > only this pin? I dont need the entire blade. Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53625	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM-> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619> > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53626	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

I was thinking that same thing last night when the bidding was over $1,600. If he really doesn't know anything about trains, he must think everything he has is a gold mind. Something tells me you're right, though. I think he knows what he has. I think this is his way of making a disclaimer so that he could claim innocence in case the deal goes sideways for some reason. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM-> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619> > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Maybe it is the real thing, as he says it has a date of 53 inside it. Why do we assume all the things written? Why do some assume it is a fake? My first train set, AF was the 20740 Set with the rare 21129 as it did not have the correct cars. I got this as a kid. What if I never got into trains again, but I still have and decided to sell it on ebay or anywhere else and the bidding went over a 1000? Why does he have a disclaimer for anything? Why is it so awful that bidding went for over 2000. Why can we not be happy for the seller and buyer? Why why why? Mike Marmer----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I was thinking that same thing last night when the bidding was over $1,600. If he really doesn't know anything about trains, he must think everything he has is a gold mind. Something tells me you're right, though. I think he knows what he has. I think this is his way of making a disclaimer so that he could claim innocence in case the deal goes sideways for some reason. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM-> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619> > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53628	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

By the way, a person who said he did not know anything about trains, which is fine, sold a 21129, and the Depressed five digit flat in separate bids. I actually emailed him, in friendly terms, telling him how much he might get for these items. he was most thankful, as I still have those emails from a few years ago. Not everyone who sells trains on ebay are train 'experts" as he writes on this 375 engine. Many got trains as a kid, put them away, some have value and some do not. He was lucky to hold on to this engine from being wrapped in 1968 and to reap in what may come his way. I think making assumptions like this can really ruin someone. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I was thinking that same thing last night when the bidding was over $1,600. If he really doesn't know anything about trains, he must think everything he has is a gold mind. Something tells me you're right, though. I think he knows what he has. I think this is his way of making a disclaimer so that he could claim innocence in case the deal goes sideways for some reason. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM-> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619> > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53629	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Not only do I not give much credibility to sellers who say "I know nothing about trains,,,, or "I'm no train expert...",  I am constantly amazed at how many trains are a "fresh attic find" or "fresh from an estate sale".  There's sure a lot of "fresh" trains out there!  Makes me think that soon there will be a loco whose previous owner (a little old lady) only drove it once around the track on Sundays, and it's been stored in the barn on blocks since her death in '68. :) I was only surprised one time by an ebay purchase.  Since then, I've lowered my expectations and know that what I get is what I get.  Most of the time I only bid on operator-grade stuff, so I know up front something (ANYthing) can be wrong with it.  Oh well, that's the fun of giving the old girls some TLC, maybe occasionally some CPR, and if all else fails using the vital organs for transplants!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:56:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM- > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619 > > > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ-- > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ-- > > < http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > <mailto: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53630	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Not only do I not give much credibility to sellers who say "I know nothing about trains,,,, or "I'm no train expert...",  I am constantly amazed at how many trains are a "fresh attic find" or "fresh from an estate sale".  There's sure a lot of "fresh" trains out there!  Makes me think that soon there will be a loco whose previous owner (a little old lady) only drove it once around the track on Sundays, and it's been stored in the barn on blocks since her death in '68. :) I was only surprised one time by an ebay purchase.  Since then, I've lowered my expectations and know that what I get is what I get.  Most of the time I only bid on operator-grade stuff, so I know up front something (ANYthing) can be wrong with it.  Oh well, that's the fun of giving the old girls some TLC, maybe occasionally some CPR, and if all else fails using the vital organs for transplants!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:56:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53631	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

My 2 cents I think for that kind of money , I would like it in LN Cond...I think if I was going to spend that much, a good internet search for a good dealer would be the best...Mike In a message dated 4/2/2009 5:02:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: By the way, a person who said he did not know anything about trains, which is fine, sold a 21129, and the Depressed five digit flat in separate bids. I actually emailed him, in friendly terms, telling him how much he might get for these items. he was most thankful, as I still have those emails from a few years ago. Not everyone who sells trains on ebay are train 'experts" as he writes on this 375 engine. Many got trains as a kid, put them away, some have value and some do not. He was lucky to hold on to this engine from being wrapped in 1968 and to reap in what may come his way. I think making assumptions like this can really ruin someone. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I was thinking that same thing last night when the bidding was over $1,600. If he really doesn't know anything about trains, he must think everything he has is a gold mind. Something tells me you're right, though. I think he knows what he has. I think this is his way of making a disclaimer so that he could claim innocence in case the deal goes sideways for some reason. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groups.http://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp ://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycE lkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0 aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM-) > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://g roups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://grhttp://gr&<WBR>messag<WBR>_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2M jgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE yMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619) > > > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groupsh_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mjg zBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--) > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Wht tp://grouph_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3 RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--) > > <_http://docs.http://dochttp://docs_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) > > <mailto:_S-Trains-unsubscribS-Trains-unsubS-T_ (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53632	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

I'm happy Mike, but I've been drinking & taking Dorothys meds grappe stuttt In a message dated 4/2/2009 5:06:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Maybe it is the real thing, as he says it has a date of 53 inside it. Why do we assume all the things written? Why do some assume it is a fake? My first train set, AF was the 20740 Set with the rare 21129 as it did not have the correct cars. I got this as a kid. What if I never got into trains again, but I still have and decided to sell it on ebay or anywhere else and the bidding went over a 1000? Why does he have a disclaimer for anything? Why is it so awful that bidding went for over 2000. Why can we not be happy for the seller and buyer? Why why why? Mike Marmer----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I was thinking that same thing last night when the bidding was over $1,600. If he really doesn't know anything about trains, he must think everything he has is a gold mind. Something tells me you're right, though. I think he knows what he has. I think this is his way of making a disclaimer so that he could claim innocence in case the deal goes sideways for some reason. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groups.http://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp ://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycE lkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0 aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM-) > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://g roups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://grhttp://gr&<WBR>messag<WBR>_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2M jgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHN sawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619) > > > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groupsh_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mjg zBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--) > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Wht tp://grouph_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3 RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--) > > <_http://docs.http://dochttp://docs_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) > > <mailto:_S-Trains-unsubscribS-Trains-unsubS-T_ (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53633	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Maybe he does not know anything about trains. Most people in this world do not know anything about trains. Most people who own trains are not into trains, if they still have them from 1946, 47, 51, 53, 55, 58, 59, and so on, as I skipped years. My music teacher as a kid had a very rare US Large Cent, that he did not know until as a kid, I told him. This was handed down from his family. I met a lady a few weeks ago at a RR station open house who has a complete Circus set, no paper, and she had no idea the value, as I tried to convince her to keep it in the family. Many people own collectables, rare coins, etc. and get taken badly. So, why not let someone win this time. Any thing wrong with that? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Not only do I not give much credibility to sellers who say "I know nothing about trains,,,, or "I'm no train expert...", I am constantly amazed at how many trains are a "fresh attic find" or "fresh from an estate sale". There's sure a lot of "fresh" trains out there! Makes me think that soon there will be a loco whose previous owner (a little old lady) only drove it once around the track on Sundays, and it's been stored in the barn on blocks since her death in '68. :) I was only surprised one time by an ebay purchase. Since then, I've lowered my expectations and know that what I get is what I get. Most of the time I only bid on operator-grade stuff, so I know up front something (ANYthing) can be wrong with it. Oh well, that's the fun of giving the old girls some TLC, maybe occasionally some CPR, and if all else fails using the vital organs for transplants!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:56:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM- > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619 > > > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ-- > > < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ-- > > < http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > <mailto: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53634	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Hello, he said the trains where wrapped in newspaper and stored in a dry climate. I feel the comment about the little old lady, etc. was and is uncalled for. I have gotten some trains on ebay from someone who just had a set as a kid, as I got a very nice 24059 B&M Box car for 150 or so, in E plus condition. Again, he was not into trains, happen to have this set from childhood, and he got allot of money for the individual pieces as I believe the Domino hopper is in the this set. He description of the visuals, as no said he would have a complete Greenberg description was correct. Many people had trains as a kid and they only got used around a Christmas tree only to be put away for good until maybe now. Some descriptions are very good and some are very bad. I will tell you I got taken on Ebay by a TCA member for 650 dollars on a 21130 many years ago. I got my money back, minus postage and his 'fee" to ebay. I think this guy does not deserve the treatment he is getting here. I now, he is a expert in faking rare items, as he does this for a living. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Not only do I not give much credibility to sellers who say "I know nothing about trains,,,, or "I'm no train expert...", I am constantly amazed at how many trains are a "fresh attic find" or "fresh from an estate sale". There's sure a lot of "fresh" trains out there! Makes me think that soon there will be a loco whose previous owner (a little old lady) only drove it once around the track on Sundays, and it's been stored in the barn on blocks since her death in '68. :) I was only surprised one time by an ebay purchase. Since then, I've lowered my expectations and know that what I get is what I get. Most of the time I only bid on operator-grade stuff, so I know up front something (ANYthing) can be wrong with it. Oh well, that's the fun of giving the old girls some TLC, maybe occasionally some CPR, and if all else fails using the vital organs for transplants!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:56:35 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith anormal1@... wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53635	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/2/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Mike, I agree there. but hey, he is selling it, someone wants it, all is happy. And no, I am not bidding on it, as I have no interest in it. For those who seem to be unhappy about whether the item is real or not, did you email him and ask questions? I bet he gives you honest answers. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher My 2 cents I think for that kind of money , I would like it in LN Cond...I think if I was going to spend that much, a good internet search for a good dealer would be the best...Mike In a message dated 4/2/2009 5:02:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: By the way, a person who said he did not know anything about trains, which is fine, sold a 21129, and the Depressed five digit flat in separate bids. I actually emailed him, in friendly terms, telling him how much he might get for these items. he was most thankful, as I still have those emails from a few years ago. Not everyone who sells trains on ebay are train 'experts" as he writes on this 375 engine. Many got trains as a kid, put them away, some have value and some do not. He was lucky to hold on to this engine from being wrapped in 1968 and to reap in what may come his way. I think making assumptions like this can really ruin someone. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I was thinking that same thing last night when the bidding was over $1,600. If he really doesn't know anything about trains, he must think everything he has is a gold mind. Something tells me you're right, though. I think he knows what he has. I think this is his way of making a disclaimer so that he could claim innocence in case the deal goes sideways for some reason. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher I also get very suspicious of someone who says "I don't know anything about trains so I can't describe details for you, and I have no way of testing them or knowledge of how to." If he is really that unknowledgeable, he must totally astounded by the bids he is getting. Dale Smith _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > > AS Doug stated be careful....All you need is the 375 # boards from a T&P > 375... > 375 GM made in 54... What year did it state was inside? > The T&M guide warns that this is an easy one to fake... Mike Who > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groups.http://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp ://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/53613;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cW9vaWh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycE lkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0 aW1lAzEyMzg2NjgzMjUEdHBjSWQDNTM2MTM-) > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://g roups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://grhttp://gr&<WBR>messag<WBR>_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmdqMDV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2M jgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1MzYxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE yMzg2NjgzMjU-?act=reply&messageNum=53619) > > > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groupsh_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaW9yanIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mjg zBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--) > > <_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Wht tp://grouph_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2NnODR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3 RpbWUDMTIzODY2ODMyNQ--) > > <_http://docs.http://dochttp://docs_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) > > <mailto:_S-Trains-unsubscribS-Trains-unsubS-T_ (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=> > _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53636	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Mike, I'm glad you "know" him. You'll have to excuse me if I don't go through life with blinders on. I've found that, along with some very reputable people on ebay, there are those out there for the quick buck as well. I don't believe everything I read. If you go through life trusting everyone, you're bound to get burned sooner or later. I prefer to get to actually know somebody before I trust them. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53637	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

I agree that not all who disclaim knowledge are out to swindle. I was looking for a 718 a couple of years ago and my search on coffee break at the office turned up a batch of "we only set the trains up under the tree for a couple of years in the late '40's" The boxes seem to be there ... cleaning out the parent's house who had to be moved to a home. They were my brothers but he died in the 70's. Want to move it out ... " Buy it now. I checked the photos and did a quick total in my head and at operator prices it was about 1/2 the total. I bought the items. They arrived a week later in five huge boxes and what they had not mentioned was that several of the items had multiple quantities and there were spare light bulbs in the Flyer boxes including several boxes of the frosted pear shaped bulbs for the lamp posts. All of the instructions, the original cardboard inserts in the boxes for the tunnel, bridge, talking station, catalogs and so forth... everything in excellent condition. All matched stuff including a 332 DC with wrapper and the wood block spacer between the loco and tender and its red passenger set. I emailed and offered to pay more for the unlisted items, but they were happy to have the things go to someone who valued them. They also had stated that they new nothing about the trains and had not tested them. The rest of what this guy says matches up. Missouri was a big S gauge sales area in the 50's. The other locomotive is in the same time frame. Clues seem to be OK. Now as to the worth of a 375? I may decide I don't need mine for that kind of money.   Bill Drake Soggy St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53638	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

I think with him opening it & looking for the date, he's pretty much on the up & up...unless that's just a ploy....you can never tell....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53639	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

OK, Mike, you may be right. I didn't say he was was an expert trying to cheat us, I only said the "I know nothing" disclaimers make me suspicious and that's exatly what I am. If a person is really serious about an item listed in this way, there are things you can do to check a little further. For one thing, look at what he bids on. If he bids on trains, then I would say the odds are better than even that he knows more than he is letting on. This guy doesn't do that. He buys motorcycle parts. This could be the real deal. For me though, nothing is worth this much money. I could get more enjoyment out of a 370 or 371. I could run it without worrying about what happens to it. Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53640	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: 375 Switcher

Hey, guys,in such situations, it's "Buyer Beware!" If you have even the slightest hesitation about the item's parentage or the veracity of the seller, I'd say...Let it go! We're not talking about a twenty dollar freight car here. Stumpy Stone...a lack of trust can save money...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53641	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

I may have one in my parts, but I will need to look tonight so email me later. Clayton --- On Thu, 4/2/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 5:45 AM > Yes, I am looking for just the pin that goes in the blade > next to the screw. Thanks for your reply. Anyone out there > have just the pin? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > > > > > Are you looking for the PA11144 operating rod > that's in the post - mast? The shouldered screw $-283? > The pin in the blade it's self next to the hole for the > screw? If it's the the pin in the blade you may need to > make one. The blade came as one item - XA-10941-RP signal > arm & lens assembly. > > > > Clayton > > OR, Milwaukie > > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, boguscop1953 > <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > > > > > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Pin needed for 761 Semaphore > Blade > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:12 AM > > > Hi All: > > > > > > I have a 761 that is missing the pin on the > semaphore > > > blade. This is the pin that fits in the long > "rod" > > > that actuates the blade. The semaphore blade is > in good > > > shape, the pin is just missing. Does anyone have > or sell > > > only this pin? I dont need the entire blade. > Thanks. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53642	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > I could get more enjoyment out of a 370 or > 371. I could run it without worrying about what happens to it. Amen to that. I have a new appreciation for my 371. I'm just going to pretend it's a 375, except I won't pay AIG to insure it and I'll still let the kids play with it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53643	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Bruce, I don't know him. And yes, sometimes you get burned in life, as I could go on forever on things I brought "burned" whether at a train show or ebay, whether trains or US coins, or something else. I think some are being very hard on this person. And no, this is not a engine to be purchased for running a layout, as not everyone buys things to run on a layout. Okay, he stamped on it May or Mar 53 on it. Now I opened another can of worms. Let see, does it look like a AF stamp, did he rig one up, did get finger prints from it, from the AF employees of 1953 and so on. Now I am being silly. Are some here jealous of this person with his sale of the engine and the money he is getting for it? Did anyone email him, as I did not because I am not interested in the item and I feel he is has the real thing. If you do not feel he has the real thing, so be it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Mike, I'm glad you "know" him. You'll have to excuse me if I don't go through life with blinders on. I've found that, along with some very reputable people on ebay, there are those out there for the quick buck as well. I don't believe everything I read. If you go through life trusting everyone, you're bound to get burned sooner or later. I prefer to get to actually know somebody before I trust them. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53644	From: John	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: 370 Diesel

I have three 370 diesels and one of them had the decals messed up and whoever had it before me used one of those plastic tape guns and punched out The American Flyer Lines and stuck it to the sides where the original decals were. I got tired of looking at them so I pulled them off Unfortunately it took the paint with it. Searching the internet and on here I for ideas what others have used to remove the old paint I went with DOT brake fluid. I tried a small section inside the shell to see what it would do. With a cotton swab I dabbed some on the inside and like magic the paint came off with a little scrubbing. No harm to the plastic either. So I got a plastic bag and placed it inside a plastic container and put the shell inside the bag and covered it with the brake fluid. I used one of those little acid brushes, used to apply solder flux to copper pipes, and gently brushed the shell with the fluid. After about 30 minutes, I now have a clean white 370 shell that I can paint to look new again. I soaked it in warm water and dish soap for another 10 minutes to make sure I got all the fliud washed off and let it dry. I can use my model body putty to fix a few nicks and and scratches in the shell before I repaint it John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53645	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

I realize that there are those who will deliberately mislead people to gain a buck. But I will just say that twice in the recent past I put collectable items on ebay (not trains) which I came into possession of, and I really did not know anything about them. I just gave my best, most honest description and and stated like some others that I didn't know anything about them or their collectable value. Maybe I'm a sucker, but my first inclination is to believe them and appreciate their honesty. Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53646	From: boguscop1953	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

Thank you very much, I will email you. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > > I may have one in my parts, but I will need to look tonight so email me later. > > Clayton > > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > > > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 5:45 AM > > Yes, I am looking for just the pin that goes in the blade > > next to the screw. Thanks for your reply. Anyone out there > > have just the pin? > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich > > <uvl97222@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are you looking for the PA11144 operating rod > > that's in the post - mast? The shouldered screw $-283? > > The pin in the blade it's self next to the hole for the > > screw? If it's the the pin in the blade you may need to > > make one. The blade came as one item - XA-10941-RP signal > > arm & lens assembly. > > > > > > Clayton > > > OR, Milwaukie > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, boguscop1953 > > <boguscop1953@> wrote: > > > > > > > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@> > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Pin needed for 761 Semaphore > > Blade > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 10:12 AM > > > > Hi All: > > > > > > > > I have a 761 that is missing the pin on the > > semaphore > > > > blade. This is the pin that fits in the long > > "rod" > > > > that actuates the blade. The semaphore blade is > > in good > > > > shape, the pin is just missing. Does anyone have > > or sell > > > > only this pin? I dont need the entire blade. > > Thanks. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53647	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Matthew Perks wrote: > Amen to that. I have a new appreciation for my 371. I'm just going to > pretend it's a 375, except I won't pay AIG to insure it and I'll still > let the kids play with it. Just out of curiosity, what's the big difference between a 371 and a 375? I also have a 371 that I play with from time to time. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53648	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Lets go slightly farther..... The stamp.... As i understand it it should be PURPLE.. At least thats what was said at the Flyer Get Together I was at and had the Guys and GAL!!! Barb check it out... I assumed it was a fake because mine in not bright silver but has a greyish cast... Silver on a BLACK shell !!!!.... Gilbert was making toys!!!! Anybody else know of a 375 on a BLACK SHELl ????? Bob Conner --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:15 AM Bruce, I don't know him. And yes, sometimes you get burned in life, as I could go on forever on things I brought "burned" whether at a train show or ebay, whether trains or US coins, or something else. I think some are being very hard on this person. And no, this is not a engine to be purchased for running a layout, as not everyone buys things to run on a layout. Okay, he stamped on it May or Mar 53 on it. Now I opened another can of worms. Let see, does it look like a AF stamp, did he rig one up, did get finger prints from it, from the AF employees of 1953 and so on. Now I am being silly. Are some here jealous of this person with his sale of the engine and the money he is getting for it? Did anyone email him, as I did not because I am not interested in the item and I feel he is has the real thing. If you do not feel he has the real thing, so be it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Mike, I'm glad you "know" him. You'll have to excuse me if I don't go through life with blinders on. I've found that, along with some very reputable people on ebay, there are those out there for the quick buck as well. I don't believe everything I read. If you go through life trusting everyone, you're bound to get burned sooner or later. I prefer to get to actually know somebody before I trust them. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53649	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

The difference in a 371 and a 375 is the horn in the 375 Steve In a message dated 04/03/2009 12:24:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gwcohn@... writes: Matthew Perks wrote: > Amen to that. I have a new appreciation for my 371. I'm just going to > pretend it's a 375, except I won't pay AIG to insure it and I'll still > let the kids play with it. Just out of curiosity, what's the big difference between a 371 and a 375? I also have a 371 that I play with from time to time. George Cohn **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53650	From: bud9351	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: AF tank car dome top needed

Hi all, I'm looking for one AF tank car dome top casting for single dome tank if it makes any difference. Anyone here have a spare in their parts boxes? Thanks Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53651	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Bob, I understand what you are saying as so far, you make the most sense of anyone trying to say this is a fake. But that still does not tell me it is a fake, as Gilbert did many things in making trains, as again, they are just toys. For someone to invest this much money into the engine, one needs to the research in trying to locate others who own one, locate people who have written books, locate people who are major sellers, get pictures of the one being sold with the stamp and so on and ask questions to the owner and the people I just mentioned. If the seller comes back nasty, then I would avoid him. But if he is very outright in explaining how he got the engine, helpful to you, then he probably is telling the truth, as again, many got trains as kids. Guess what, we are all getting old and now maybe he decided to sell them, since they are just sitting taking up space. You might see more people who are not into trains, selling things they have. Last year, I asked about something, as I can not remember what it was, as the variations that came back from this group was something. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Lets go slightly farther..... The stamp.... As i understand it it should be PURPLE.. At least thats what was said at the Flyer Get Together I was at and had the Guys and GAL!!! Barb check it out... I assumed it was a fake because mine in not bright silver but has a greyish cast... Silver on a BLACK shell !!!!.... Gilbert was making toys!!!! Anybody else know of a 375 on a BLACK SHELl ????? Bob Conner --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:15 AM Bruce, I don't know him. And yes, sometimes you get burned in life, as I could go on forever on things I brought "burned" whether at a train show or ebay, whether trains or US coins, or something else. I think some are being very hard on this person. And no, this is not a engine to be purchased for running a layout, as not everyone buys things to run on a layout. Okay, he stamped on it May or Mar 53 on it. Now I opened another can of worms. Let see, does it look like a AF stamp, did he rig one up, did get finger prints from it, from the AF employees of 1953 and so on. Now I am being silly. Are some here jealous of this person with his sale of the engine and the money he is getting for it? Did anyone email him, as I did not because I am not interested in the item and I feel he is has the real thing. If you do not feel he has the real thing, so be it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Mike, I'm glad you "know" him. You'll have to excuse me if I don't go through life with blinders on. I've found that, along with some very reputable people on ebay, there are those out there for the quick buck as well. I don't believe everything I read. If you go through life trusting everyone, you're bound to get burned sooner or later. I prefer to get to actually know somebody before I trust them. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53652	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

375 has an air-chime whistle/horn. I think both have knuckle couplers.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Fri, 4/3/09, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 1:01 PM Matthew Perks wrote: > Amen to that. I have a new appreciation for my 371. I'm just going to > pretend it's a 375, except I won't pay AIG to insure it and I'll still > let the kids play with it. Just out of curiosity, what's the big difference between a 371 and a 375? I also have a 371 that I play with from time to time. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53653	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Mike, I, personally, am not jealous of anyone that owns anything. I applaud their luck. I don't have a jealous bone in my body. I just prefer to treat people I don't know at arms length until I know them. If you've been burned as much as you say that you have, it's an automatic reaction, wouldn't you say? I never said unequivocally that he didn't have the real thing. I just tried to relay some realism into those that would blindly believe that what he owns is legit. If I believed everything everybody said at all times, I'd be one sorry individual and would probably have gone broke by now. Just my 2 cents. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Bruce, I don't know him. And yes, sometimes you get burned in life, as I could go on forever on things I brought "burned" whether at a train show or ebay, whether trains or US coins, or something else. I think some are being very hard on this person. And no, this is not a engine to be purchased for running a layout, as not everyone buys things to run on a layout. Okay, he stamped on it May or Mar 53 on it. Now I opened another can of worms. Let see, does it look like a AF stamp, did he rig one up, did get finger prints from it, from the AF employees of 1953 and so on. Now I am being silly. Are some here jealous of this person with his sale of the engine and the money he is getting for it? Did anyone email him, as I did not because I am not interested in the item and I feel he is has the real thing. If you do not feel he has the real thing, so be it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Mike, I'm glad you "know" him. You'll have to excuse me if I don't go through life with blinders on. I've found that, along with some very reputable people on ebay, there are those out there for the quick buck as well. I don't believe everything I read. If you go through life trusting everyone, you're bound to get burned sooner or later. I prefer to get to actually know somebody before I trust them. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53654	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/3/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

I just looked at the one I have, and I pulled the blade off too. The pin is .420" long and the die. is .051" you can use a small nail for to replace it with the flat head, and glue it on the back side. This is a hardware store item - 1/2 " nail. I hope that helps. I can send a photo if needed. I also have the nails... Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53655	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Bruce, That is fine. And I understand what you are writing below. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Mike, I, personally, am not jealous of anyone that owns anything. I applaud their luck. I don't have a jealous bone in my body. I just prefer to treat people I don't know at arms length until I know them. If you've been burned as much as you say that you have, it's an automatic reaction, wouldn't you say? I never said unequivocally that he didn't have the real thing. I just tried to relay some realism into those that would blindly believe that what he owns is legit. If I believed everything everybody said at all times, I'd be one sorry individual and would probably have gone broke by now. Just my 2 cents. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Bruce, I don't know him. And yes, sometimes you get burned in life, as I could go on forever on things I brought "burned" whether at a train show or ebay, whether trains or US coins, or something else. I think some are being very hard on this person. And no, this is not a engine to be purchased for running a layout, as not everyone buys things to run on a layout. Okay, he stamped on it May or Mar 53 on it. Now I opened another can of worms. Let see, does it look like a AF stamp, did he rig one up, did get finger prints from it, from the AF employees of 1953 and so on. Now I am being silly. Are some here jealous of this person with his sale of the engine and the money he is getting for it? Did anyone email him, as I did not because I am not interested in the item and I feel he is has the real thing. If you do not feel he has the real thing, so be it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher Mike, I'm glad you "know" him. You'll have to excuse me if I don't go through life with blinders on. I've found that, along with some very reputable people on ebay, there are those out there for the quick buck as well. I don't believe everything I read. If you go through life trusting everyone, you're bound to get burned sooner or later. I prefer to get to actually know somebody before I trust them. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53656	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Cast Parts

Anyone have an email address or web site for a Dave Fletcher who makes or did make cast parts? Thanx Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53657	From: boguscop1953	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

Thanks for the help, Ill locate a nail. What kind of glue do you recommend? Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > I just looked at the one I have, and I pulled the blade off too. The pin is .420" long and the die. is .051" you can use a small nail for to replace it with the flat head, and glue it on the back side. > This is a hardware store item - 1/2 " nail. I hope that helps. I can send a photo if needed. I also have the nails... > > Clayton >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53658	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: aging wood

is there any type of paint material to put on a wood kit to age the wood. I am building a produce loading dock, platform and I think the floor needs some aging to it. mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53659	From: G C	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] aging wood

Mike, the tried and true method of India ink in rubbing alcohol comes to mind as the first choice. I use the higher % of alcohol (93 or so rather than one with more water content in the 70s). You add about a tablespoon in a quart of the isopropyl alcohol. You need to be careful as not to warp the wood with too much water content that's why I go with the higher concentration. Just brush it on to the strip wood and it should result in a nice silver gray weathered look. You can probably get the India ink at a craft store. The dark ink will also highlight detail. Also, you can sharpen a pencil and turn the point lightly in the wooden planks to simulate nail heads. The graphite will look like steel nail heads. If you really want to go further you can use a bit of rust paint and lightly brush near some of these "nails". gene cimino gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53660	From: G C	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood

Mike, I forgot to mention that whatever you do to weather the wood, do it before you glue the parts together. the glue will keep the stain from entering the wood. Simple elmers glue will work fine for wood parts (wood on wood). gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53661	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Cast Parts

For Dave's personal reasons, I won't go into detail, but Dave has been out of business for several years. We bought out all his AF castings at that time, and we are slowly liquidating his prewar AF collection for him. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of newtoaf@... Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Cast Parts Anyone have an email address or web site for a Dave Fletcher who makes or did make cast parts? Thanx Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53662	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood

Hi Mike -- There are several wood aging products on the market -- you just have to find them! Weather-it is one version. You can also use highly thinned india inks (use alcohol for thinning -- NO, not the drinking kind!). I am sure you will get many other answers... Have fun! Bill Winans is there any type of paint material to put on a wood kit to age the wood? I am building a produce loading dock, platform and I think the floor needs some aging to it. mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53663	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

I would use a small amount of loctite. Also there is little room for the nail to be longer then the .420 any longer it will rub.. Clayton --- On Sat, 4/4/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 7:49 AM > Thanks for the help, Ill locate a nail. What kind of glue do > you recommend? Thanks. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > > > I just looked at the one I have, and I pulled the > blade off too. The pin is .420" long and the die. is > .051" you can use a small nail for to replace it with > the flat head, and glue it on the back side. > > This is a hardware store item - 1/2 " nail. I > hope that helps. I can send a photo if needed. I also have > the nails... > > > > Clayton > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53664	From: Ronald Inscho	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Cast Parts

I placed an order with this guy about 10 years ago & then He & My money disapeared , I too would like to know what happened with him as He did make some good repro parts. He went by the name Colonial castings. thanks Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53665	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: A bit of Train history

Linda and I went to the Monocacy Battlefield, just below Frederick, MD. What is interesting is this battle happen due to the B&O RR getting the attention of the Union Army to protect their RR bridge over the Monocacy River. The Union lost this battle, but it delayed the Confederates advancing to Washington DC to take over the Capitol. This gave time for advancing Union to come up from Petersburg, VA to protect the city and to turn them away at Fort Stevens in Washington, DC. Lincoln came to the fort to view the fighting, the only sitting President to witness battle while in office. There was a loop of model train in the visitor center, as I got a picture of the lady Park Ranger running it. Sadly, it was three rail, MTH, not 2 rail, so that ought to start another war. So, that is you bit of train trivia. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53666	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood

Micro Mark makes a wood weathering stain. Cost isn't bad and saves the trouble of making it. Roy J Meissner ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] aging wood Mike, I forgot to mention that whatever you do to weather the wood, do it before you glue the parts together. the glue will keep the stain from entering the wood. Simple elmers glue will work fine for wood parts (wood on wood). gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53667	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Mohawks

I watched a couple of recent shows on the RFD channel. They showed some "Mohawks" operating. I think these were 2-8-4's. The common view point that was present on every locomotive that they called a "Mohawk" was two wings or shrouds on the side of the locomotive front. I have seen these on pictures of European steamers, but this is the first time I have noticed them on American locomotives. Were these used on other locomotives and by others than NYC? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53668	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/5/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53669	From: Phil K	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mohawks

Those air deflectors were known as "Elephant Ears" and were used mainly on passenger trains to force the smoke from the stack higher in the air as not to enter the passengers cars and choke everyone. If memory serves, AF used them its 48054 Northerns. Phil K >In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > I watched a couple of recent shows on the RFD channel. They showed some > "Mohawks" operating. I think these were 2-8-4's. The common view point that > was present on every locomotive that they called a "Mohawk" was two wings or > shrouds on the side of the locomotive front. I have seen these on pictures > of European steamers, but this is the first time I have noticed them on > American locomotives. Were these used on other locomotives and by others > than NYC? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53670	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood

Thanks Roy, as I look into that. And thanks to everyone else with suggestions. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Meissner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] aging wood Micro Mark makes a wood weathering stain. Cost isn't bad and saves the trouble of making it. Roy J Meissner ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] aging wood Mike, I forgot to mention that whatever you do to weather the wood, do it before you glue the parts together. the glue will keep the stain from entering the wood. Simple elmers glue will work fine for wood parts (wood on wood). gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53671	From: seg60133	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Bob Tufts wrote a comprehensive article in a 1998 S Gaugian that gave all the characteristics of an original 375. The purple date stamp inside the cab will be either APR 53 or MAY 53. There is also a specific decal configuration for the 375. I'll email more info to anyone who asks. Steve Gruninger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53672	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: 375 Switcher

Steve can you email me that? Clayton D. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, seg60133 <seg50@...> wrote: > From: seg60133 <seg50@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 375 Switcher > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:31 PM > Bob Tufts wrote a comprehensive article in a 1998 S Gaugian > that gave all the characteristics of an original 375. The > purple date stamp inside the cab will be either APR 53 or > MAY 53. There is also a specific decal configuration for > the 375. I'll email more info to anyone who asks. > > Steve Gruninger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53673	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: The Good, No Bad and The Layout

Hi All, The Good: The hip is fully healed and the "referred pain" in the knee has lessened. Today is the first day walking 100% without any assistance from the cane. I'm probably 75% back to normal with a small hitch in my giddy-up. The more I walk the better I'm getting at it so now I'm beginning to have a new understanding for entering your second childhood! The Layout: So now it's time to start getting serious about setting up the layout. The floor space is different in the new house in Houston than what I had back in Atlanta. The good news is the layout is going in the game room on the second floor in a climate controlled living space - so less dust and I can work on it year round. I'm trying to decide whether to set up a website to document the building process. Anyone know any inexpensive ways to set up a website? Walking now but running soon! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53674	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and The Layout

Go-Daddy is a great way to go! www.godaddy.com Watch out for all the "extras" they can host a site, so can some Model RR sites, as well as Google etc. Get a "Domain" name registered (about $10 / year) keep it simple and quick to read. Mine is: http://www.trains-4-u.com and http://www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com hope this get's you going, Have fun, Peter in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53675	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and setting up a Layout website

inexpensive ways to set up a website? geocities.com - it's a part of Yahoo.  The good: Website is free with up to 15MB of storage for pictures and web pages, which is plenty for hundreds of pictures if you compress them.  Page building tools are easy to use drag and drop. The bad: Each page will have ads to the side and there is an hourly limit on bandwidth used; if your website gets too popular, people will occasionally get told to come back in the next hour.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53676	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] A bit of Train history

An addition to the story. No one in Washington really believed the President of the B&O RR that the South was in MD, trying to blow up the RR's bridge over the Monocacy, as it went on deaf ears, till he got someone by the name of Wallace in the Union army to check it out. 15 years later Wallace wrote the story about Ben Hur and some other religious items. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; S Trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: [toytrains] A bit of Train history Linda and I went to the Monocacy Battlefield, just below Frederick, MD. What is interesting is this battle happen due to the B&O RR getting the attention of the Union Army to protect their RR bridge over the Monocacy River. The Union lost this battle, but it delayed the Confederates advancing to Washington DC to take over the Capitol. This gave time for advancing Union to come up from Petersburg, VA to protect the city and to turn them away at Fort Stevens in Washington, DC. Lincoln came to the fort to view the fighting, the only sitting President to witness battle while in office. There was a loop of model train in the visitor center, as I got a picture of the lady Park Ranger running it. Sadly, it was three rail, MTH, not 2 rail, so that ought to start another war. So, that is you bit of train trivia. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53677	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood

I found the Micro Mark product and there are some other things I need to order, as they have the wood I need to make my baseball grandstands. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53678	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/4/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and The Layout

Great to hear the good progress report.  The walking gait will come along just like all the rest as you get your muscles to "remember" what walking really feels like.  Good for you! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 7:20:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, No Bad and The Layout Hi All, The Good: The hip is fully healed and the "referred pain" in the knee has lessened. Today is the first day walking 100% without any assistance from the cane. I'm probably 75% back to normal with a small hitch in my giddy-up. The more I walk the better I'm getting at it so now I'm beginning to have a new understanding for entering your second childhood! The Layout: So now it's time to start getting serious about setting up the layout. The floor space is different in the new house in Houston than what I had back in Atlanta. The good news is the layout is going in the game room on the second floor in a climate controlled living space - so less dust and I can work on it year round. I'm trying to decide whether to set up a website to document the building process. Anyone know any inexpensive ways to set up a website? Walking now but running soon! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53680	From: John	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, No Bad and The Layout

Bull Comcast should give you a certain amount of space that you can set up a website for free I have Buckeye-express here in Toledo and I have 10 meg of space to do a non-business website. You might want to check in with Comcast and see what they have free for you. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimensign50@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Good, No Bad and The Layout Great to hear the good progress report. The walking gait will come along just like all the rest as you get your muscles to "remember" what walking really feels like. Good for you! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 7:20:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, No Bad and The Layout Hi All, The Good: The hip is fully healed and the "referred pain" in the knee has lessened. Today is the first day walking 100% without any assistance from the cane. I'm probably 75% back to normal with a small hitch in my giddy-up. The more I walk the better I'm getting at it so now I'm beginning to have a new understanding for entering your second childhood! The Layout: So now it's time to start getting serious about setting up the layout. The floor space is different in the new house in Houston than what I had back in Atlanta. The good news is the layout is going in the game room on the second floor in a climate controlled living space - so less dust and I can work on it year round. I'm trying to decide whether to set up a website to document the building process. Anyone know any inexpensive ways to set up a website? Walking now but running soon! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53681	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: SMOKER USED IN MIKADO Flyonel C&O

_AF Mikado Review_ (http://www.tuveson.com/Mikado/MikadoReview.htm) TRY this link & Carl In a message dated 4/4/2009 11:15:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, allen.evans@... writes: Anyone have the Seuthe smoker model number for the smoker unit in the C&O Mikdao by Lionel? Thanks W A Evans New Orleans NMRA / NASG Crescent City S Gaugers **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53682	From: John	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Website

Bull If your computer has the program Microsoft Frontpage on it then you could use it to create you website with oust spending money on a design program. It is a drag-n-drop progran. I know everyone will chime in and offer their own version of web design software but if you are trying to save a buck, like we all are, and the software is already on your computer then you are all set. Just find out from you internet provider if you already have free space available from then and they will tell you how to access it. Then you can get started building your site. You just build it on your computer and upload it to your site. If you need help I will help create it for free. If you don't want to spend time creating a web page you could always post your progress pictures to one of the S gauge galleries for us to enjoy. Take care and enjoy!! John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53683	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade

How's it going, and did that work for you? Clayton --- On Sat, 4/4/09, boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> wrote: > From: boguscop1953 <boguscop1953@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pin needed for 761 Semaphore Blade > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 7:49 AM > Thanks for the help, Ill locate a nail. What kind of glue do > you recommend? Thanks. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > > > I just looked at the one I have, and I pulled the > blade off too. The pin is .420" long and the die. is > .051" you can use a small nail for to replace it with > the flat head, and glue it on the back side. > > This is a hardware store item - 1/2 " nail. I > hope that helps. I can send a photo if needed. I also have > the nails... > > > > Clayton > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53684	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: SMOKER USED IN MIKADO Flyonel C&O

On lionel's site at: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6901_UseAFMikadoEngTndrComplete .pdf Part number 640-8036-200 They do not list unit for C&O Mike specifically but it should be the same? Carl -----Original Message----- From: Allen Evans [mailto:allen.evans@...] Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 1:45 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: SMOKER USED IN MIKADO Flyonel C&O Anyone have the Seuthe smoker model number for the smoker unit in the C&O Mikdao by Lionel? Thanks W A Evans New Orleans NMRA / NASG Crescent City S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53685	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Mohawks

Due to ongoing Comcast trouble here, I was unable to add to this earlier. Many of the Class 1 railroads dabbled with smoke deflectors in nineteen twenties and thirties, some used them right to the end of steam. Beside New York Central and Union Pacific, I've seen photos of engines from the New Haven, Baltimore and Ohio, Nickel Plate, Wabash, and Missouri Pacific, among others with smoke deflectors. In most cases the usage was short lived, the B & O is one road which didn't like them for instance. One reason was maintenance issues, but more important was that you had to get up to a certain speed to make them effective. Even in those golden days of passenger limiteds only a few of the top, long distance passenger trains ran fast enough to make them worhwhile. However, like streamlining, smoke deflectors were a distinctive bit of steam history and are easy to model out of brass, or plastic, even cardstock. Just don't put them on freight engines or switchers! (Hey, wait a minute....It's your railroad, put them on anything you want to!) Stumpy Stone...hoping to chat tonight if Comcast will let me!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53686	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: Website

If you want to build a web site for free check out TRIPOD. Free web site design, that works very well. and for web extras, check out a site called buildfree.org Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53687	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Smoke Deflectors - Mohawk

Smoke Deflectors. So that is what they are. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53688	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)

----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone . . . . . . . . . . .However, like streamlining, smoke deflectors were a distinctive bit of steam history and are easy to model out of brass, or plastic, even cardstock. Just don't put them on freight engines or switchers! (Hey, wait a minute....It's your railroad, put them on anything you want to!). . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, with a little help from an excellent modeller friend of ours, put a pair of smoke deflectors on one of AM's SP-style 4-8-4s, did a few other simple modifications, and lettered New York Central on the coal tender. He's happy and most people are impressed. And doing a little Google research turned up the frequent statement that the purpose was to keep the smoke out of the engineer's face. See for instance http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/article.php?article=2597 and scroll way down. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53689	From: G C	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] A bit of Train history

Mike, while this is not railroad related, Lou Wallace was the Northern General at Monacacy. Most of us are familiar with the movie Ben Hur. Well, General Wallace wrote the original book. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53690	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: I wonder?

I'm new to this group, but I've been watching you discuss a vendor on e-bay and mentioning with caution how to deal with him. I wonder how many people would contact that person if that person was selling a very rare item at a really cheap price. Would you contact him and tell him about his error? Or would you consider it a find and really try to get it? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53691	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: 21004(5)

Just got home from the Train Show in Wheaton, Il. They had many 0-6-0 Switchers. What is the difference between a 21004 and a 21005? And what's a good price to pay for one? Thank, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53692	From: Phil K	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: I wonder?

In order to get a very rare item at a really cheap price because the vendor didn't know the value, the only way this could happen is through Buy It Now. If the item is sold through the regular auction process, the high bid represents what the item is worth. The seller need not be notified of his "mistake" in either case. When I had time and was still amassing my collection, at least three times I won very rare sets in OB this way, paying a fraction of their value because the Buy It Now price is the absolute sellibng price. Didn't make me feel bad at all. Here's my thinking: eBay is a business. It is incumbent on the seller to know or find out the value of the items he is selling. Especially if he's going to set a price for Buy It Now. The fact that someone bought it within three minutes of its being posted should tell the seller he set the price too low. eBay has a cadre of buyers who constantly monitor new items as they come online just for that reason. It's been said here before, but I always wonder how a person can set a Buy It Now price or a reserve while claiming they "know nothing" about the item. Caveat Emptor, baby. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > I'm new to this group, but I've been watching you discuss a vendor on e-bay and mentioning with caution how to deal with him. I wonder how many people would contact that person if that person was selling a very rare item at a really cheap price. Would you contact him and tell him about his error? Or would you consider it a find and really try to get it? > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53693	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: I wonder?

The answer Phil is that some people are happy to get a good profit on an item they know little about or think they know something about. If they bought it for 5 bucks at a yard sale and generically similar items or even just items in the same category are selling for 100 bucks then they may be happy to sell for 60 bucks to make a quick sale and hefty profit. They may not have the time, inclination nor ability to research the thing and see that it is rarer than the bench marks they are using. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:22 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: I wonder? It's been said here before, but I always wonder how a person can set a Buy It Now price or a reserve while claiming they "know nothing" about the item. Caveat Emptor, baby. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53694	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/5/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53695	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting:      http://www.geocities.com/sdsgaugers/ And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53696	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)

The ones that were used on the gray 4-8-4 are available directly from Lionel under parts. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > . . . . . . . . . . .However, like streamlining, smoke deflectors were a > distinctive bit of steam history and are easy to model out of brass, or > plastic, even cardstock. Just don't put them on freight engines or > switchers! (Hey, wait a minute....It's your railroad, put them on anything > you want to!). . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, with a little help from an excellent modeller friend of > ours, put a pair of smoke deflectors on one of AM's SP-style 4-8-4s, did a > few other simple modifications, and lettered New York Central on the coal > tender. He's happy and most people are impressed. > > And doing a little Google research turned up the frequent statement that the > purpose was to keep the smoke out of the engineer's face. See for instance > http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/article.php?article=2597 and scroll way down. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53697	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: 21004(5)

The 21005 is worth about $100 more than the 21004. It has a white painted hand railing on the loco. The 21004 has a tail light in the tender. The 21005 does not.Good ones (excellent) are worth between $400-$500 Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 04/05/2009 1:54:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Just got home from the Train Show in Wheaton, Il. They had many 0-6-0 Switchers. What is the difference between a 21004 and a 21005? And what's a good price to pay for one? Thank, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53698	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!

Sadly, it is to be announced that opening day at S Helper Field has been canceled. Owner of S Helper trains is threatening to pull his name from the field, as he paid very big bucks for this advertising of his company. Hugo says the check has not come yet. So, a small dispute is going on. I heard Citi Bank is licking at its chops to spend some of its stimulus package for the honors, should S Helper pull out of the deal. It is not sure when the park will be opened. It seems that there are no grandstands for the 1000's coming to S Helper Field to sit on. Back in January, Che made a huge purchase of two O scale grandstands, that will seat 50 people. Hugo was livid, when he heard about Che's blunder in purchasing O scale grandstands and sent the stands back to the maker in Kentucky. They have S scale grandstands available. It has been almost a month and no grandstands!!! So Hugo has been searching for S scale wood, as for example, the seats are 2" x 10" and will be 7 feet long. So in S, that will be 1/32 x 5/32. Hugo found a supplier of S scale wood strips, as he will place his wood order tomorrow, but it will not get here in time for assembly. Oh what to do with all the Sheboygan Sausages, Big City Steaks, and Great American Hamburgers that Hugo's foodservice director for S Helper Field ordered!!!! Just store them in the stockyard for now. We are sorry that we disappointed our growing fan base that the home season will be delayed until further notice. Therefore the team will be playing on the road for now. Hugo (He has no last name) Just Hugo will do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53699	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Crisis at Monocacy Battlefield

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1859299912/pic/list Yesterday, I wrote about my visit to Monocacy Battlefield, below Frederick, MD, in which the President of the B&O RR got wind that the south was going to blow up the newly rebuilt RR bridge over the Monocacy River. However, yesterday, a bigger crisis happened at the visitor center. The oblong loop of train track, THREE RAIL, derailed and the poor lady Park Ranger is very flustered in trying to get it running again. Since I am a TWO railer, I offered no help. LOL Mean of me. LOL It is my understanding that the National Park Service will be having mandatory clinics for its rangers on how to run and put back on the track the train. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53700	From: Glenn	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: A TRAIN BIRTHDAY

Yesterday came and went too quickly but I was able to visit the new Toy Trains Unlimited Store in Hanover, PA We had a great time and my family got me my favorite cake, Angel Food. Sorry no pictures of the cake. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/68YEARS.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53701	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: 21004(5)

And they do show up on Ebay quite often. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21004(5) The 21005 is worth about $100 more than the 21004. It has a white painted hand railing on the loco. The 21004 has a tail light in the tender. The 21005 does not.Good ones (excellent) are worth between $400-$500 Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 04/05/2009 1:54:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Just got home from the Train Show in Wheaton, Il. They had many 0-6-0 Switchers. What is the difference between a 21004 and a 21005? And what's a good price to pay for one? Thank, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53702	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!

Those must be real skinny people coming to the games to be able to sit on a 2" x 10" bleacher for three or four hours - hahaha! I assume you meant 2' x 10". BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Sadly, it is to be announced that opening day at S Helper Field has been canceled. > > Owner of S Helper trains is threatening to pull his name from the field, as he paid very big bucks for this advertising of his company. Hugo says the check has not come yet. So, a small dispute is going on. I heard Citi Bank is licking at its chops to spend some of its stimulus package for the honors, should S Helper pull out of the deal. > > It is not sure when the park will be opened. > > It seems that there are no grandstands for the 1000's coming to S Helper Field to sit on. > > Back in January, Che made a huge purchase of two O scale grandstands, that will seat 50 people. > > Hugo was livid, when he heard about Che's blunder in purchasing O scale grandstands and sent the stands back to the maker in Kentucky. They have S scale grandstands available. > > It has been almost a month and no grandstands!!! > > So Hugo has been searching for S scale wood, as for example, the seats are 2" x 10" and will be 7 feet long. So in S, that will be 1/32 x 5/32. Hugo found a supplier of S scale wood strips, as he will place his wood order tomorrow, but it will not get here in time for assembly. > > Oh what to do with all the Sheboygan Sausages, Big City Steaks, and Great American Hamburgers that Hugo's foodservice director for S Helper Field ordered!!!! > > Just store them in the stockyard for now. > > We are sorry that we disappointed our growing fan base that the home season will be delayed until further notice. > > Therefore the team will be playing on the road for now. > > Hugo (He has no last name) Just Hugo will do. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53703	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!

No 2" x 10" as 10 is the width number, as I probably got that wrong. h x w x d? or is it w x h x d? LOL thanks Dave. Hows is the hip? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!! Those must be real skinny people coming to the games to be able to sit on a 2" x 10" bleacher for three or four hours - hahaha! I assume you meant 2' x 10". BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Sadly, it is to be announced that opening day at S Helper Field has been canceled. > > Owner of S Helper trains is threatening to pull his name from the field, as he paid very big bucks for this advertising of his company. Hugo says the check has not come yet. So, a small dispute is going on. I heard Citi Bank is licking at its chops to spend some of its stimulus package for the honors, should S Helper pull out of the deal. > > It is not sure when the park will be opened. > > It seems that there are no grandstands for the 1000's coming to S Helper Field to sit on. > > Back in January, Che made a huge purchase of two O scale grandstands, that will seat 50 people. > > Hugo was livid, when he heard about Che's blunder in purchasing O scale grandstands and sent the stands back to the maker in Kentucky. They have S scale grandstands available. > > It has been almost a month and no grandstands!!! > > So Hugo has been searching for S scale wood, as for example, the seats are 2" x 10" and will be 7 feet long. So in S, that will be 1/32 x 5/32. Hugo found a supplier of S scale wood strips, as he will place his wood order tomorrow, but it will not get here in time for assembly. > > Oh what to do with all the Sheboygan Sausages, Big City Steaks, and Great American Hamburgers that Hugo's foodservice director for S Helper Field ordered!!!! > > Just store them in the stockyard for now. > > We are sorry that we disappointed our growing fan base that the home season will be delayed until further notice. > > Therefore the team will be playing on the road for now. > > Hugo (He has no last name) Just Hugo will do. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53704	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: A TRAIN BIRTHDAY

GLENN........... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!! ...... BOB --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Glenn <gartrain404@...> wrote: From: Glenn <gartrain404@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A TRAIN BIRTHDAY To: "A/S-buildingsandstructures" <buildingsandstructures@yahoogroups.com>, "A/S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 7:38 PM Yesterday came and went too quickly but I was able to visit the new Toy Trains Unlimited Store in Hanover, PA We had a great time and my family got me my favorite cake, Angel Food. Sorry no pictures of the cake. http://kulpritterpi cs.homestead. com/68YEARS. html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53705	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: A TRAIN BIRTHDAY

Glenn, Happy birthday. Now go watch the Phillies on TV! O:)!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: A/S-buildingsandstructures ; A/S-Trains Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A TRAIN BIRTHDAY Yesterday came and went too quickly but I was able to visit the new Toy Trains Unlimited Store in Hanover, PA We had a great time and my family got me my favorite cake, Angel Food. Sorry no pictures of the cake. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/68YEARS.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53706	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!

On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Robin Thompson wrote: > PRESS RELEASE > > Today, Mr. Rusti Rustola of Freeman, Freeman and Rustola, the law > firm that is on retainer for all SHS legal problems announced that > the public relations firm of Dewey, Cheetham and Howe has been hired > to help with the PR nightmare that has evolved over recent days with > S Helper Service Field. Over this weekend, Paul Murky of Murky > Research has been conducting video conferencing focus groups > regarding the best way to limit damages during the apparent lock out > by General Manager Hugo (player to be named later). Once the data > was analyzed, a push pull poll was conducted to all known S Gaugers > asking the question "Can you sympathize with a company that has been > betrayed by a man with a communist first name". The results are in > and the answer is "Yes We Can" > LOL, > Don > > > > Sadly, it is to be announced that opening day at S Helper Field has > been canceled. > > Owner of S Helper trains is threatening to pull his name from the > field, as he paid very big bucks for this advertising of his > company. Hugo says the check has not come yet. So, a small dispute > is going on. I heard Citi Bank is licking at its chops to spend some > of its stimulus package for the honors, should S Helper pull out of > the deal. > > It is not sure when the park will be opened. > > It seems that there are no grandstands for the 1000's coming to S > Helper Field to sit on. > > Back in January, Che made a huge purchase of two O scale > grandstands, that will seat 50 people. > > Hugo was livid, when he heard about Che's blunder in purchasing O > scale grandstands and sent the stands back to the maker in Kentucky. > They have S scale grandstands available. > > It has been almost a month and no grandstands!!! > > So Hugo has been searching for S scale wood, as for example, the > seats are 2" x 10" and will be 7 feet long. So in S, that will be > 1/32 x 5/32. Hugo found a supplier of S scale wood strips, as he > will place his wood order tomorrow, but it will not get here in time > for assembly. > > Oh what to do with all the Sheboygan Sausages, Big City Steaks, and > Great American Hamburgers that Hugo's foodservice director for S > Helper Field ordered!!!! > > Just store them in the stockyard for now. > > We are sorry that we disappointed our growing fan base that the home > season will be delayed until further notice. > > Therefore the team will be playing on the road for now. > > Hugo (He has no last name) Just Hugo will do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53707	From: The LANIERs	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: 21004(5)

Actually, it's the edges of the running boards that are painted white on the 21005, rather than the hand rails. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21004(5) The 21005 is worth about $100 more than the 21004. It has a white painted hand railing on the loco. The 21004 has a tail light in the tender. The 21005 does not.Good ones (excellent) are worth between $400-$500 Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 04/05/2009 1:54:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Just got home from the Train Show in Wheaton, Il. They had many 0-6-0 Switchers. What is the difference between a 21004 and a 21005? And what's a good price to pay for one? Thank, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53708	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!!

Hugo sincerely apologizes to the S Helper Company, but this is completely out his control, the lack of seating. We have no beef with the S Helper Company, only with the company that makes Grandstands. If due to the lack of ROI (return on investment) on your advertising at S Helper Field, as we still await the arrival of that big check, you may contact your local representative in Sector R for the packet that has all the needed forms to file for a stimulus program. Meanwhile, my credit Card company will be making a Stimulus call to the company that makes the grandstand for a refund to Hugo's bank account. We will be asking for 129,138 Venezuelan Bolivar. Man, I will be rich. LOL Hugo and Che ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S Train e-group Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field Opener DELAYED!!!!! On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Robin Thompson wrote: > PRESS RELEASE > > Today, Mr. Rusti Rustola of Freeman, Freeman and Rustola, the law > firm that is on retainer for all SHS legal problems announced that > the public relations firm of Dewey, Cheetham and Howe has been hired > to help with the PR nightmare that has evolved over recent days with > S Helper Service Field. Over this weekend, Paul Murky of Murky > Research has been conducting video conferencing focus groups > regarding the best way to limit damages during the apparent lock out > by General Manager Hugo (player to be named later). Once the data > was analyzed, a push pull poll was conducted to all known S Gaugers > asking the question "Can you sympathize with a company that has been > betrayed by a man with a communist first name". The results are in > and the answer is "Yes We Can" > LOL, > Don > > > > Sadly, it is to be announced that opening day at S Helper Field has > been canceled. > > Owner of S Helper trains is threatening to pull his name from the > field, as he paid very big bucks for this advertising of his > company. Hugo says the check has not come yet. So, a small dispute > is going on. I heard Citi Bank is licking at its chops to spend some > of its stimulus package for the honors, should S Helper pull out of > the deal. > > It is not sure when the park will be opened. > > It seems that there are no grandstands for the 1000's coming to S > Helper Field to sit on. > > Back in January, Che made a huge purchase of two O scale > grandstands, that will seat 50 people. > > Hugo was livid, when he heard about Che's blunder in purchasing O > scale grandstands and sent the stands back to the maker in Kentucky. > They have S scale grandstands available. > > It has been almost a month and no grandstands!!! > > So Hugo has been searching for S scale wood, as for example, the > seats are 2" x 10" and will be 7 feet long. So in S, that will be > 1/32 x 5/32. Hugo found a supplier of S scale wood strips, as he > will place his wood order tomorrow, but it will not get here in time > for assembly. > > Oh what to do with all the Sheboygan Sausages, Big City Steaks, and > Great American Hamburgers that Hugo's foodservice director for S > Helper Field ordered!!!! > > Just store them in the stockyard for now. > > We are sorry that we disappointed our growing fan base that the home > season will be delayed until further notice. > > Therefore the team will be playing on the road for now. > > Hugo (He has no last name) Just Hugo will do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53709	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > >      http://www.geocities.com/sdsgaugers/ > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53710	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/5/2009
Subject: wood

http://www.blackbearcc.com/s_wood.htm This is where I will be getting the wood I need for the grandstands, as well for the ladders and platforms for the ballpark lights. mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53711	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)

I've also seen these regularly as repros on e-bay.  My earliest recollections of them are in the early fifties when UP had them on their Northerns pulling long freights through town on the Kansas City-Denver line.  I remember how HUGE and LOUD I thought those engines were! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 3:36:38 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers) The ones that were used on the gray 4-8-4 are available directly from Lionel under parts. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > . . . . . . . . . . .However, like streamlining, smoke deflectors were a > distinctive bit of steam history and are easy to model out of brass, or > plastic, even cardstock. Just don't put them on freight engines or > switchers! (Hey, wait a minute....It's your railroad, put them on anything > you want to!). . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine, with a little help from an excellent modeller friend of > ours, put a pair of smoke deflectors on one of AM's SP-style 4-8-4s, did a > few other simple modifications, and lettered New York Central on the coal > tender. He's happy and most people are impressed. > > And doing a little Google research turned up the frequent statement that the > purpose was to keep the smoke out of the engineer's face. See for instance > http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/article.php?article=2597 and scroll way down. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53712	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: smoke deflectors (smoke risers)

and he notes - I believe the correct term is 'smoke lifters'. B&M's P4 Pacifics and R1 Mountains had them (when delivered). They were removed sometime during or shortly after WWII. Raleigh in Maine waitin' for the rain At 10:08 AM 4/6/2009, jimensign50@... wrote: >I've also seen these regularly as repros on >e-bay. Â My earliest recollections of them are >in the early fifties when UP had them on their >Northerns pulling long freights through town on >the Kansas City-Denver line. Â I remember how >HUGE and LOUD I thought those engines were! >Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53713	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

I have no clue.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Can anybody give us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club members who have been able to view it during its construction. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > >      http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers / > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53714	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Robert, The link you have listed on one of the emails is wrong and should be : www.geocities.com/sdsgaugers For those trying to get to the website, try this, and the site does look good. Keep up the good work, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: theupstairstrain@... Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:51:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website I have no clue. Has anyone else had this problem? Can anybody give us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club members who have been able to view it during its construction. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > > http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers / > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53715	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Hi all: No, didn't have that problem, but I did get a temporarily unavailable due to excess usage or maintenance downtime at about 1/2 way through the module presentation (second one). Looks great, though, and will try to see it later today (this is about 6 pm Norway time which is 9 am California time). Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Robert Graves wrote: > > I have no clue. Has anyone else had this problem? Can anybody give > us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? > > Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club > members who have been able to view it during its construction. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@... > <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com>> wrote: > > From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@... <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM > > Bob, > > I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a > minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's > going wrong? Thanks. > > > > > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the > story of the design and construction of our modular layout and > participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides > meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > > > > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers / > > > > > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53716	From: Michael Rector	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

There were some spaces in the link...try this   http://www.geocities.com/sdsgaugers/   Mike R in Southern Ohio --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:51 AM I have no clue.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Can anybody give us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club members who have been able to view it during its construction. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > >      http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers / > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53717	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Bob, I had the same problem last night and early this morning , just tried again and was able to get on with out any problem. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website I have no clue. Has anyone else had this problem? Can anybody give us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club members who have been able to view it during its construction. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > > http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers / > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53718	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Here's a thought. I am using Firefox as my browser. When I visit the site, I see 'frames' in the window. That is, there are two parts to the browser view. The left side is the San Diego site. The right side is something from Yahoo that does not render for me. I suspect that my security settings are preventing some sort of pop up which is set to be in a different frame. You can see similar renderings on the SHS and Portlines sites, although, those both work very well for me. This site appears to be using some sort of free space where there is advertising shown that pays the freight. Check your security settings regarding pop ups and frames to see if your browser is getting in the way. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:52 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website I have no clue. Has anyone else had this problem? Can anybody give us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club members who have been able to view it during its construction. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com> com> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com> com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53719	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

I get it as well - but I think it has to do with something Dell computer has on my machine. It does this with Yahoo and tells me it can't find yahoo.com. It is in the user's machine browser - not the website.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:51 AM I have no clue.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Can anybody give us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club members who have been able to view it during its construction. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > >      http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers / > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53720	From: John	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

I saw the site for about 5 minutes the other day and now all I get is a "Down For Maintenacne" message It must be something Yahoo is doing John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Drake" <ee_train@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website I get it as well - but I think it has to do with something Dell computer has on my machine. It does this with Yahoo and tells me it can't find yahoo.com. It is in the user's machine browser - not the website. Bill Drake --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53721	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Rance and Bente wrote: > > > Hi all: > No, didn't have that problem, but I did get a temporarily unavailable > due to excess usage or maintenance downtime at about 1/2 way through the > module presentation (second one). Like this? Sorry, Service Temporarily Unavailable. The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Additionally, a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. That's a problem with using "free" web hosting. They often limit the number of hits or bandwidth to some incredibly lame minimal amount. If the site becomes popular, it may have to move to a paid hosting site to get reasonable access. http://www.godaddy.com offers web hosting at a reasonable rate for small personal web sites. Just be aware of the extra services they will try to get you to buy. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53722	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

I had that same type of message when trying to download photo's to the S List and TCA list yesterday. You just keep trying. I think the problem is at Yahoo, not with the website. GO PADRES! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Rector To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website There were some spaces in the link...try this http://www.geocities.com/sdsgaugers/ Mike R in Southern Ohio --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:51 AM I have no clue. Has anyone else had this problem? Can anybody give us any ideas as to what might be causing it and how to fix it? Nobody else has reported it and I have had positive feedback from club members who have been able to view it during its construction. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:05 PM Bob, I would love to see your web site, but I only get to see it for a minute and then a Google search page pops up instead. Any idea what's going wrong? Thanks. > > Our new club's website is now complete, featuring photos and the story of the design and construction of our modular layout and participation at December's Great Train Expo. The site also provides meeting minutes and pictures of three member layouts. > > I hope you'll visit the site and find it interesting: > > http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers / > > And if you live anywhere near San Diego, we invite you to join us! > > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53723	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Hey SDSGauge - you are already too popular! Great. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) George Cohn wrote: > > Rance and Bente wrote: > > > > > > Hi all: > > No, didn't have that problem, but I did get a temporarily unavailable > > due to excess usage or maintenance downtime at about 1/2 way through the > > module presentation (second one). > > Like this? > > Sorry, Service Temporarily Unavailable. > The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to > maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. > > Additionally, a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable error was > encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. > > That's a problem with using "free" web hosting. They often limit the > number of hits or bandwidth to some incredibly lame minimal amount. > > If the site becomes popular, it may have to move to a paid hosting site > to get reasonable access. http://www.godaddy.com > <http://www.godaddy.com> offers web hosting at > a reasonable rate for small personal web sites. Just be aware of the > extra services they will try to get you to buy. > > George Cohn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53724	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

That's the first time I've heard this! I have no connection with Yahoo, so it's not my website that's doing that. No advertising "pays the freight" for our website.....only me. However, I DID get that same Yahoo RH column when I loaded the San Diego website. I just ignored it, and moved the RH border over. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website Here's a thought. I am using Firefox as my browser. When I visit the site, I see 'frames' in the window. That is, there are two parts to the browser view. The left side is the San Diego site. The right side is something from Yahoo that does not render for me. I suspect that my security settings are preventing some sort of pop up which is set to be in a different frame. You can see similar renderings on the SHS and Portlines sites, although, those both work very well for me. This site appears to be using some sort of free space where there is advertising shown that pays the freight. Check your security settings regarding pop ups and frames to see if your browser is getting in the way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53725	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: S helper field opening delayed--AAAAUGH Funnel cakes too!

The delayed opening has caused a small crisis at Diamond Dave's Funnel Cakes. We stocked up on batter anticipating this grand opening, and now it's going to go baaaad! So, until the stuff is gone, two-fer-one! Also, "green" frisbiees here too--if it gets lost in the weeds, don't worry, it's just like a meadow muffin and will recycle by itself! Meantime, my cousins over at Dewey, Cheatum, & Howe are looking into me getting some stimulus money to hold me over until the field opens! S' David D. PS Think my cousins are the ones gonna get rich off this mess. . . . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53726	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: In need of

To the group: I am in need of one of the wooden pier supports, for a 596 operating water tank. I have another restoration project and one is missing. If anyone has one in their parts box, please contact me at mo2337@.... Thanks in advance for any and all help; Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53727	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck . . . . . . . . However, I DID get that same Yahoo RH column when I loaded the San Diego website. I just ignored it, and moved the RH border over. > > > > > > > > > --------Response------------ Or you can click on the little » and it will go away. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53728	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website

Hi Doug, I have not seen a problem on your, excellent site. What I have seen is that you have the navigation frame and the content frame. There are a lot of free hosting places who provide space in return for advertising. Some of the free services provide their ads in a second frame. Some browsers have options for the display of frames and some browsers don't do very well with frames. It seems that there are a variety of proprietary extensions to HTML that are not part of the standards (Microsoft is notorious for this sort of activity). Some of these extensions govern the way frames are rendered. Frames have (in the past) offered opportunities for crooks to break into our computers and that is why some browsers have security settings to inhibit frames. It is the frames question that I was discussing in that post. Most mobile devices are not good at viewing sites with frames, but that is another story. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Peck Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website That's the first time I've heard this! I have no connection with Yahoo, so it's not my website that's doing that. No advertising "pays the freight" for our website.....only me. However, I DID get that same Yahoo RH column when I loaded the San Diego website. I just ignored it, and moved the RH border over. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website Here's a thought. I am using Firefox as my browser. When I visit the site, I see 'frames' in the window. That is, there are two parts to the browser view. The left side is the San Diego site. The right side is something from Yahoo that does not render for me. I suspect that my security settings are preventing some sort of pop up which is set to be in a different frame. You can see similar renderings on the SHS and Portlines sites, although, those both work very well for me. This site appears to be using some sort of free space where there is advertising shown that pays the freight. Check your security settings regarding pop ups and frames to see if your browser is getting in the way. _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53729	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: 720 SWITCHES

Do all the 720 Switches have Black Rails? Mike Who **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53730	From: innotron	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: SDSG website

Hi all, I couldn't get into the San Diego S Gauge web site using the link provided. This link works for me. http://www.geocities.com/sdsgaugers/index.html Please try again. Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53731	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website

That worked. I tried all day using Safari on a Mac 10.5.5 and only got the error messages. I bet I tried over 20 times (maybe I need a life?). Don PS Thanks... On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:56 PM, innotron wrote: > Hi all, > I couldn't get into the San Diego S Gauge web site using the link > provided. This link works for me. http://www.geocities.com/sdsgaugers/index.html > Please try again. > Alex > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53732	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 4/6/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website

It still comes up "Sorry, Service Temporarily Unavailable." Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53733	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood

We carry a Weathering Stain for wood. 8 oz bottle....can be diluter with Rubbing Alcohol. $3.50 / bottle Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ Subject: [S-Trains] aging wood is there any type of paint material to put on a wood kit to age the wood. I am building a produce loading dock, platform and I think the floor needs some aging to it. mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53734	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website

I Concur In a message dated 4/6/2009 6:22:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davidh@... writes: It still comes up "Sorry, Service Temporarily Unavailable.I Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53735	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: aging wood

I have a stain coming today from Micro Mark. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] aging wood We carry a Weathering Stain for wood. 8 oz bottle....can be diluter with Rubbing Alcohol. $3.50 / bottle Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ Subject: [S-Trains] aging wood is there any type of paint material to put on a wood kit to age the wood. I am building a produce loading dock, platform and I think the floor needs some aging to it. mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53736	From: John	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: I have found it!

As I was looking on the web for the area I would model, I stumbled across this site and found exactly what i was looking for!! The site is: http://www.coal-miners-in-kentucky.com/PictureGallery-9.html And here is the best part, in my mind anyway, the section I will try to model is the second picture up from the bottom right of McDowell WV. The only thing I have for the motive power are 370 diesels and 2 sets of NS diesels .... oh well I'm not going to prototype the area I just think it looks great to model. There are good pictures on this site to model from, once I get the basics built!! This will be the first section I will start working on. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53737	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website

First, I want to thank you all for the time you put in on the QA of our website.  It looks like Don's not the only one who needs to get a life!  Seriously, I do appreciate it. The spaces in the links problem appears to be an issue in the Yahoo groups email.  I see it frequently in the links we get in the group.  In fact, the messages sent correcting the SDSG website link had spaces in their links when I got them!  Whenever you get a message with a link in it, check whether the link contains spaces and delete them.  Be aware that it's a Yahoo mail problem; the sender didn't make a mistake. The now notorious "Sorry, Service Temporarily Unavailable" message came up for me a lot over the weekend, but I figured Yahoo was doing site maintenance and that it would go away on Monday.  That's the pattern I've seen in the past.  Not so this time!!! I also built TheGilbertGallery.org on Yahoo's Geocities, and had the same problems with it over the weekend, but now it seems fine.  The same is true of my other geocities websites:      http://www.geocities.com/beenonboard/      http://www.geocities.com/augustinaustralia/index.html There's nothing different about how the SDSG website was built.  It's not that there is too much traffic on the site - a different message comes up when that happens and it tells you to try back in an hour.  So I don't know what's going on.  I'll contact Yahoo.  Unfortuinately, however, my experience is that Yahoo usually ignores problem reports.  Keep trying every once in a while; up until Saturday night, I wasn't having any trouble at all getting to the site; maybe it will come back! --- On Mon, 4/6/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SDSG website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 6:28 PM I Concur In a message dated 4/6/2009 6:22:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davidh@carr. org writes: It still comes up "Sorry, Service Temporarily Unavailable. I Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53738	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website

I just checked the website and, indeed, you all have pushed it over the hourly bandwidth limit almost every hour since I sent out the website announcement.  I guess we should call that a fabulous response!  Thank you. But it means that some people were getting through and viewing the site before the limit was reached.  A couple of people did say they were looking at it and liked the site (thank you!) but suddenly it went unavailable.  I'd like to hear from more of you!  Any content suggestions, corrections, etc., would be appreciated. Yahoo used to put up a nice, user-friendly message telling you that the hourly limit had been reached and that you could try again in the next hour.  I guess that message is no more.  So if you get the "unavailable" message, try again two minutes into the next hour!  Demand will probably settle down within a week or two and everybody will be able to get in when they go there. I could facetiously suggest that people with last name starting with A-D view the site on Tuesdays, E-H on Wednesdays, etc., but I won't. Alex suggested adding "/index.html" at the end of the link.  That doesn't make any difference; Geocities defaults to that if you omit it, so you can include it or not, and it won't make any difference.  Alex must have gotten lucky and put that in at 2 minutes past the hour! --- On Mon, 4/6/09, innotron <innotron@...> wrote: From: innotron <innotron@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SDSG website To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:56 PM Hi all, I couldn't get into the San Diego S Gauge web site using the link provided. This link works for me. http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers /index.html Please try again. Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53739	From: Jim King	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner update

All patterns are done, the mechanism details worked out and tested and production started on some of the parts. Full production will commence in the 3rd week of April with shipping planned to start before month's end. Once the pilot models are built, photos will appear on my web site to replace the CAD images now there. Orders continue to flow in for this engine so don't hesitate to order soon. Only enough motors and gearboxes to produce 100 units (regardless of engine "phase") are on hand. Once they're gone, there will be no more of this model produced. 72 have been sold to date and I'm sure more of the remaining 28 will be sold once production starts and "the word" spreads among modelers. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53740	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website

Robert-   I had the same troubles as reported over the weekend and Monday evening. I snuck in a couple of time - as you said - right after the hour. This morning I had a phone call hang up at 6 am and since I was awake anyway, I tried, got right in and had no problems. Very nice site.   Thanks for sharing   Bill Drake St. Louis ps. don't everyone try getting on at 6 am or the problem will happen again! --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SDSG website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 12:30 PM I just checked the website and, indeed, you all have pushed it over the hourly bandwidth limit almost every hour since I sent out the website announcement.  I guess we should call that a fabulous response!  Thank you. But it means that some people were getting through and viewing the site before the limit was reached.  A couple of people did say they were looking at it and liked the site (thank you!) but suddenly it went unavailable.  I'd like to hear from more of you!  Any content suggestions, corrections, etc., would be appreciated. Yahoo used to put up a nice, user-friendly message telling you that the hourly limit had been reached and that you could try again in the next hour.  I guess that message is no more.  So if you get the "unavailable" message, try again two minutes into the next hour!  Demand will probably settle down within a week or two and everybody will be able to get in when they go there. I could facetiously suggest that people with last name starting with A-D view the site on Tuesdays, E-H on Wednesdays, etc., but I won't. Alex suggested adding "/index.html" at the end of the link.  That doesn't make any difference; Geocities defaults to that if you omit it, so you can include it or not, and it won't make any difference.  Alex must have gotten lucky and put that in at 2 minutes past the hour! --- On Mon, 4/6/09, innotron <innotron@adnc. com> wrote: From: innotron <innotron@adnc. com> Subject: [S-Trains] SDSG website To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:56 PM Hi all, I couldn't get into the San Diego S Gauge web site using the link provided. This link works for me. http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers /index.html Please try again. Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53741	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: quest for a quiet SIT motor

Question: As viewed from above, should the worm gear (with "rod attached) rotate clockwise or counterclockwise in a SIT unit? The reason I ask is after working on a few of these nothing seems to make them quiet. The latest one from a 312 is original and close to pristine. After cleaning, polishing the commutator, replacing the brushes and lubing, it still sounds like a mini kitchen mixer from the 60's. An uneven commutator will run noisy as it is aggressively grinding down the brushes. So I turned this one down flat and polished it. A couple of other reasons for noisy motors I have read are too much brush tension and commutator rubbing the brush tubes. These motors do not have brass brush tubes but the plastic tubes protrude about 1/64", maybe a little more. If the bellows drive gear rotates clockwise, any pressure against the motor worm would push it bach toward the brushes (and tubes). Yet there was no thrust washer in place, nor can I find one listed for this motor. If I push the worm back by hand it does make contact with the brush tubes. So is the brush spring tension supposed to be enough to keep the commutator off the brush tubes? The original bellows was a little stiff after 62 or 3 years. Replacing it with umbrella material cut the noise in half. Thanks to whoever posted that tip! So back pressure against the motor worm shaft must come into play. The can motor replacements would solve the problem. I've played with a few myself but haven't found just the right speed motor yet (although it has been a fun side-project on my 322SIT which has become my experiment platform). If anyone knows the RPM spec at a given voltage for a SIT motor that would be great info to have too. But I would like to keep this 312 original... and quiet. Is quiet possible or is the motor noise part of the 'charm' of these locos? Thanks for your feedback! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53742	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: quest for a quiet SIT motor

Tim, I have 3 SIT's, a 312, a 321, and a 322. These three are original bellows units. I have also converted three other units to cylinders for individuals. All units have been noisy, some more than others, so I am like you not sure there is a solution, if keeping original motors. Keep us posted as you work on yours, the can motor may be the answer. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: tim.benner@... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:24:55 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] quest for a quiet SIT motor Question: As viewed from above, should the worm gear (with "rod attached) rotate clockwise or counterclockwise in a SIT unit? The reason I ask is after working on a few of these nothing seems to make them quiet. The latest one from a 312 is original and close to pristine. After cleaning, polishing the commutator, replacing the brushes and lubing, it still sounds like a mini kitchen mixer from the 60's. An uneven commutator will run noisy as it is aggressively grinding down the brushes. So I turned this one down flat and polished it. A couple of other reasons for noisy motors I have read are too much brush tension and commutator rubbing the brush tubes. These motors do not have brass brush tubes but the plastic tubes protrude about 1/64", maybe a little more. If the bellows drive gear rotates clockwise, any pressure against the motor worm would push it bach toward the brushes (and tubes). Yet there was no thrust washer in place, nor can I find one listed for this motor. If I push the worm back by hand it does make contact with the brush tubes. So is the brush spring tension supposed to be enough to keep the commutator off the brush tubes? The original bellows was a little stiff after 62 or 3 years. Replacing it with umbrella material cut the noise in half. Thanks to whoever posted that tip! So back pressure against the motor worm shaft must come into play. The can motor replacements would solve the problem. I've played with a few myself but haven't found just the right speed motor yet (although it has been a fun side-project on my 322SIT which has become my experiment platform). If anyone knows the RPM spec at a given voltage for a SIT motor that would be great info to have too. But I would like to keep this 312 original... and quiet. Is quiet possible or is the motor noise part of the 'charm' of these locos? Thanks for your feedback! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53743	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2009
Subject: Re: quest for a quiet SIT motor

See the SIT can motor installation at _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) web site. It is quieter, especially when used with the piston retrofit. The inside of the tender shell acts like a speaker in that it amplifies the sound being created. You are never going to get a really quiet SIT. The fiber worm gear is a noise maker too. Steve B. Boise In a message dated 04/07/2009 8:14:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mo2337@... writes: Tim, I have 3 SIT's, a 312, a 321, and a 322. These three are original bellows units. I have also converted three other units to cylinders for individuals. All units have been noisy, some more than others, so I am like you not sure there is a solution, if keeping original motors. Keep us posted as you work on yours, the can motor may be the answer. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: tim.benner@... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:24:55 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] quest for a quiet SIT motor Question: As viewed from above, should the worm gear (with "rod attached) rotate clockwise or counterclockwise in a SIT unit? The reason I ask is after working on a few of these nothing seems to make them quiet. The latest one from a 312 is original and close to pristine. After cleaning, polishing the commutator, replacing the brushes and lubing, it still sounds like a mini kitchen mixer from the 60's. An uneven commutator will run noisy as it is aggressively grinding down the brushes. So I turned this one down flat and polished it. A couple of other reasons for noisy motors I have read are too much brush tension and commutator rubbing the brush tubes. These motors do not have brass brush tubes but the plastic tubes protrude about 1/64", maybe a little more. If the bellows drive gear rotates clockwise, any pressure against the motor worm would push it bach toward the brushes (and tubes). Yet there was no thrust washer in place, nor can I find one listed for this motor. If I push the worm back by hand it does make contact with the brush tubes. So is the brush spring tension supposed to be enough to keep the commutator off the brush tubes? The original bellows was a little stiff after 62 or 3 years. Replacing it with umbrella material cut the noise in half. Thanks to whoever posted that tip! So back pressure against the motor worm shaft must come into play. The can motor replacements would solve the problem. I've played with a few myself but haven't found just the right speed motor yet (although it has been a fun side-project on my 322SIT which has become my experiment platform). If anyone knows the RPM spec at a given voltage for a SIT motor that would be great info to have too. But I would like to keep this 312 original... and quiet. Is quiet possible or is the motor noise part of the 'charm' of these locos? Thanks for your feedback! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53744	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: SDSG website

I have tried the site 3 or 4 times over the last couple of days with no success. Sorry Don, I don't have time to try 20 times. LOL All I get is a page saying site "temporarliy unavailable". I hae tried at home on my Dell with Comcast and at work on something called an ACER and I don't know who our server is here. Hopefully, someday I will be able to get on. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Robert- >   > I had the same troubles as reported over the weekend and Monday evening. I snuck in a couple of time - as you said - right after the hour. This morning I had a phone call hang up at 6 am and since I was awake anyway, I tried, got right in and had no problems. Very nice site. >   > Thanks for sharing >   > Bill Drake > St. Louis > > ps. don't everyone try getting on at 6 am or the problem will happen again! > > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SDSG website > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > > > > > I just checked the website and, indeed, you all have pushed it over the hourly bandwidth limit almost every hour since I sent out the website announcement.  I guess we should call that a fabulous response!  Thank you. > > But it means that some people were getting through and viewing the site before the limit was reached.  A couple of people did say they were looking at it and liked the site (thank you!) but suddenly it went unavailable.  I'd like to hear from more of you!  Any content suggestions, corrections, etc., would be appreciated. > > Yahoo used to put up a nice, user-friendly message telling you that the hourly limit had been reached and that you could try again in the next hour.  I guess that message is no more.  So if you get the "unavailable" message, try again two minutes into the next hour!  Demand will probably settle down within a week or two and everybody will be able to get in when they go there. > > I could facetiously suggest that people with last name starting with A-D view the site on Tuesdays, E-H on Wednesdays, etc., but I won't. > > Alex suggested adding "/index.html" at the end of the link.  That doesn't make any difference; Geocities defaults to that if you omit it, so you can include it or not, and it won't make any difference.  Alex must have gotten lucky and put that in at 2 minutes past the hour! > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, innotron <innotron@adnc. com> wrote: > > From: innotron <innotron@adnc. com> > Subject: [S-Trains] SDSG website > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:56 PM > > Hi all, > > I couldn't get into the San Diego S Gauge web site using the link provided. This link works for me. http://www.geocitie s.com/sdsgaugers /index.html > > Please try again. > > Alex > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53745	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: WANTED : PRS BOX CARS : SOUTHERN RY

Apologies for cross-posting this to so many groups (and individuals), but I gotta get the word out... ... and PLEASE do not reply to this post on the groups, only to me directly (see my e-mail address below)... --- A FRIEND OF MINE IS HUNTING THE FOLLOWING MODELS : Pacific Rail Shops BOX CAR kits of any type wearing a SOUTHERN RAILWAY paint scheme. Double-door and/or Single-door box cars. Preferrably unbuilt, but will consider pre-built as well. Will pay top dollar for complete kits and/or well-built models. --- Please contact me DIRECT at my e-mail address below if you have some of these to sell or know where I can find some. Many thanks in advance. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53746	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: quest for a quiet SIT motor

Thanks for the responses. I was afraid that a quiet SIT motor might not be possible. This one is probably as close at it gets with the open frame AC motor. Tim > > See the SIT can motor installation at _www.sns-trains.com_ > (http://www.sns-trains.com) web site. It is quieter, especially when used with the piston > retrofit. The inside of the tender shell acts like a speaker in that it amplifies > the sound being created. You are never going to get a really quiet SIT. The > fiber worm gear is a noise maker too. > > Steve B. > Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53747	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Website Building - Off Topic

hello friends,When the topic changes to building websites I always perk up. I had an idea about building a website using the cool stuff offered by google. But rather that just suggest something that i have never done myself, I built one. This morning it took me about 3 hours (slow connection today). I started by creating a new google account, using Google Docs to create a couple 'forms' Then going to sites.google.com to make the website. It did not require a single bit of code. nada check it out http://sites.google.com/site/sscaletrains/ If you are interested we can google talk about it sometime. my google name is yorke.paul -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53748	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Website Building - Off Topic

Hello I'm an avid S gauger and web site builder. I have found some helpful sites to aid others in web site building. If you need some advise, please contact me Rich rfalzini@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53749	From: steven.kibort	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Tampa Bay. FL area train show and open house

April 25 & 26, 2009 Suncoast Model Railroad Club Train Show & Club Open House Sponsored by Suncoast Model Railroad Club. The show will be held in MinnReg Hall 6340 126th Ave North Largo, Fl. 33773 (with FREE Open House at the Clubhouse across the street.) Large model train and railroadiana show with over 100 tables. Saturday & Sunday, April, 25 & 26, 2009, Sat.10 am - 4 pm both days. Admission $5.00 ($4 with discount coupon and children under 11 are free). FREE PARKING. Operating HO and N-Scale layouts. For More Details, map and discount at the door visit http://www.suncoastmrrc.com SPECIAL NOTICE: Each Paid Entrant will receive a Complimentary Subscription Card for free 90 day (3 issues) to Model Railroad News Magazine. SPECIAL AUCTION: Suncoast Model Railroad Club is also conducting a sealed bid auction for its HO Scale 4' x 8' demonstration model railroad. For details and photos please contact info@....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53750	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Comcast and Beyond Stupid

Hey, folks, trying to roll two subjects into one here... First, due to ongoing Comcast self destruction, my internet connection is sporatic and my e-mail receives but I cannot send. I have gotten three completely different e-mail error messages, depending on what day it is! They admit that they are having problems locally and with their e-mail servers, and locally they have a fleet of pick up trucks and vans running around like a pack of rabid dogs! But we've been having trouble since last Thursday and they have no clue when things will be normal! Second, when it comes to building a website, I am beyond stupid, having purchased and read (twice) "Websites for Dummies." I'm afraid I understand almost none of what is written in this book! The author talks in circles, adds filler material by repeating himself, uses geek lingo no dummy would understand, and generally wants to impress his publisher rather than help dummies build their own website. I'm barely computer literate enough to do e-mail and get on the 'net. I WOULD like to put together a website to post photos and some things about modeling in S and On30 gauge/scales, and post my many unpublished novels and short stories. I find the Google bit interesting, but of course, at the moment Comcast is busy melting down their system here in northwestern Appalachia! I'll get back to y'all when they get the knot untied in the string between the two tin cans they are using to run the show here. Stumpy Stone...disgusted in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53751	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Website Building - Off Topic

Building a web site is more than just how it looks. Being found by those who don't know you exist is the trick. Getting into the top 10 spots of the major search engines is the key. How many of you search? How many of you only use links? Google, Yahoo and Live Search, the three top search engines have some basic requirements for getting into the top 10 spots. Who will not get listed: 1. Most free web hosted sites. 2. Poorly designed sites. 3. Seldom visited sites. 4. Sites with few links from other listed sites. Here are the most popular American Flyer Trains sites: Http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=american+flyer+trains Http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=american+flyer+trains&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab= Http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=american+flyer+trains&FORM=MSNH Google and the other engines rate sites, along with Alexa, Complete, Quantcast and others. If the traffic to your site is low, they will assume you're not relevant. If the structure of your page or site lacks what they deem as important, you'll never get listed. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > > hello friends,When the topic changes to building websites I always perk up. > I had an idea about building a website using the cool stuff offered by > google. > But rather that just suggest something that i have never done myself, I > built one. > This morning it took me about 3 hours (slow connection today). > I started by creating a new google account, using Google Docs to create a > couple 'forms' > Then going to sites.google.com to make the website. > > It did not require a single bit of code. nada > > check it out http://sites.google.com/site/sscaletrains/ > > If you are interested we can google talk about it sometime. > my google name is yorke.paul > > -- > Paul Yorke > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53752	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: Re: Website Building - Off Topic

Another way to "skin this cat" of building free simple websites, is the Google BLOGs. I put details at http://NineDollarWebPage.com -- which includes links to examples, and several YouTube overview videos, one by me (slow paced) and one by Google staff (fast paced). As demonstrated in the videos, it's almost like sending an email. You type in your material, and click "publish" to update the blog, instead of "send" like you usually do with the email. Basically you "clean up" the blog page as much as possible, to remove the usual clutter. You set it to "one post per page", so you have separate pages. (Not "the whole internet on one page" as someone once remarked. The "NineDollar" part refers to getting a $9/year forwarding domain name, such as http://CatawissaTrackCleaners.com , but the domain name is optional. Additional feature of blogs: * You can give permission to multiple "authors" to work on it -- such as a club or group web page (and remove their privileges when they're no longer involved). * You can also "finagle" blog so a person has limited privileges -- to modify only 1 (or 2 or 3) pages, and nothing else. * Photos when uploaded will display full-size when a person clicks on them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Paul Yorke wrote: > hello friends,When the topic changes to building websites I always > perk up. > I had an idea about building a website using the cool stuff offered by > google. > But rather that just suggest something that i have never done > myself, I > built one. > This morning it took me about 3 hours (slow connection today). > I started by creating a new google account, using Google Docs to > create a > couple 'forms' > Then going to sites.google.com to make the website. > > It did not require a single bit of code. nada > > check it out http://sites.google.com/site/sscaletrains/ > > If you are interested we can google talk about it sometime. > my google name is yorke.paul > > -- > Paul Yorke > : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53753	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 4/8/2009
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

Good evening, all. I want to update you on the status of the Spring, 2009 issue (Volume 10, Number 2) of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine. The issue is complete and the only hold-up in sending it to the printer is that I am waiting for an ad to grace the back cover. I have been in contact with a prominent player in our scale to get back on board as an advertiser and, not to put too fine a point on it, I need the revenue. You can check out the great cover and the table of contents on our website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com. If you're wondering why the next issue is the spring issue and not the winter issue, the explanation is simple: I goofed. My original plan was to re-launch the magazine last fall - October, to be exact. There were a number of delays, however, and the magazine did not get published until December. When it became obvious that it would be coming out closer to winter than to fall, I should have renamed the issue "Winter, 2009" before sending it to the printer. I didn't, and thus created the appearance that an issue is missing. Since the next issue will be out in a couple of weeks, it didn't make sense to call it "Winter, 2009." Since subscriptions are based on the Volume and Issue number, this will have no impact on subscribers. I regret any inconvenience or confusion. Bob Nalbone, Editor & Publisher

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53754	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

Things happen. You -- and the magazine -- will be fine! Joe In a message dated 4/9/2009 1:59:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobnalbone04@... writes: Good evening, all. I want to update you on the status of the Spring, 2009 issue (Volume 10, Number 2) of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine. The issue is complete and the only hold-up in sending it to the printer is that I am waiting for an ad to grace the back cover. I have been in contact with a prominent player in our scale to get back on board as an advertiser and, not to put too fine a point on it, I need the revenue. You can check out the great cover and the table of contents on our website: www.1-64ModelingGuithe tab If you're wondering why the next issue is the spring issue and not the winter issue, the explanation is simple: I goofed. My original plan was to re-launch the magazine last fall - October, to be exact. There were a number of delays, however, and the magazine did not get published until December. When it became obvious that it would be coming out closer to winter than to fall, I should have renamed the issue "Winter, 2009" before sending it to the printer. I didn't, and thus created the appearance that an issue is missing. Since the next issue will be out in a couple of weeks, it didn't make sense to call it "Winter, 2009." Since subscriptions are based on the Volume and Issue number, this will have no impact on subscribers. I regret any inconvenience or confusion. Bob Nalbone, Editor & Publisher **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53756	From: ehsauers1	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: B&O Diesel Switcher decal project

Group, I have completed the artwork for decals to cover most of the B&O diesel switchers. I will be approaching Rail Graphics to produce this decal set, so if you have any interest in obtaining a set or two please contact me offlist at edsauers@gmail. com to receive pricing info and a scanned copy of what I will be submitting to Rail Graphics. Depending on the response from S-scale members I might consider doing the diesel road switchers as a future project. Thanks Ed Sauers edsauers@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53757	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, UNLV666@... wrote: > > Things happen. You -- and the magazine -- will be fine! > > Joe > Thanks, Joe, for those sentiments. I'm not sure the magazine will be fine if the advertisers stay on the sidelines. Subscriptions have done better by comparison, but are still not where they need to be. By doing a little quick math in my head, I note that there are over 2,500 members on the 4 Yahoo S groups that I belong to, including the 1:64 Modeling Guide Pop Valve. There is some overlap, to be sure (who knows how many), but there must be a large potential subscriber base out there. Advertisers want to make sure their limited advertising $$ are going to be seen by the most customers and potential customers (those manufacturers that advertise, that is - I've got some views on that for another post). One feeds on the other. Nevertheless, even if 1,000 additional subscribers showed up tomorrow, the magazine would not cover its costs, let alone be profitable, without more advertising revenue. I realize that the focus of this group is geared more toward the Flyer/hi-rail hobbyist than to the scale modeler (which is why the other groups exist), but there are common areas of interest. Bob Nalbone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53759	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewel colors

Can someone share which color marker lights go where on a 312. I have one 312 which has 2 green on the back of the tender and 4 red up front. Green in the back and red up front seems counter-intuitive. Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53760	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewels

Tim, you are correct, Gilbert was wrong, but my 310 is the same. These lights are "classification lights," three sided lamps with changable lenses. The color of the lenses were changed to denote whether the engine led a certain type of train. As I recall green meant a train running in more than one section, white was an unscheduled or special train, etc. I have been told that some roads used red on the side lenses of work trains. It is doubtful a K-5 worked a wreck train. Red was normal on the back of a tender if the engine was running by itself or working as a pusher locomotive at the back of a train. Most times these weren't lighted when the engine was pulling a train. On a caboose or the last passenger car the classification lights or lanterns would be red toward the rear, but carry the classification on the side lenses. Classification lights were also called marker lights. While not all railroads used the same color designations, they were generally common among the old Class One roads. Why Gilbert did it the way they did would be a mystery of manufacture, perhaps those on the assembly line didn't know any better? Stumpy Stone...internet working, e-mail still dead...in Comcast land.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53762	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Superior Bakery model

Does anyone have a picture of the Superior Bakery model kit in HO that has been converted to S and what was done to convert it besides doors? From the "Structures, Scenery, and Supplies from other scales" on he joint NASG and MHRR web page. It states that it is -- -- Used so frequently by S modelers, that a layout without one of these looks "wrong"! "Perfect for S." Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53763	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model

This structure has been one of the most widely used kit-bashes from HO to S over the years. Besides the people doors, just add a stone or concrete base of from anywhere to 1/4" to 1/2". One building is fine. Two joined length-wise is good for a small foundry or machine shop. This kit was originally made by Revell. Revell actually started with a two stall enginehouse with the dies and then made the Superior Bakery version (no engine doors) and a Printing Co. version with a false front on one front edge. S folks for years bought these kits (and still do - I have some stored away for use) to bash into various industrial brick buildings. One common bash was to buy two of the kits and stack halves on top of one another to make a two-story building flat, but twice as long. Scenery Unlimited actually offers a kit for this for $44.95. Check their catalog out. Check out the scrap boxes at the all-gauge swap meets for parts of these. Jeff Madden To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jhannawald@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 21:05:08 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Superior Bakery model Does anyone have a picture of the Superior Bakery model kit in HO that has been converted to S and what was done to convert it besides doors? From the "Structures, Scenery, and Supplies from other scales" on he joint NASG and MHRR web page. It states that it is -- -- Used so frequently by S modelers, that a layout without one of these looks "wrong"! "Perfect for S." Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53764	From: rxman46321	Date: 4/9/2009
Subject: American Hi-rail DL109's

Looking for 3 undecorated shells for American Hi-rails DL109. John Griffin Des Plaines Valley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53765	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model

Jeff, Thanks for the information on the Bakery, I've got one of the Revell kits and was planning to bash it for my S layout. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Madden To: Trains S Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Superior Bakery model This structure has been one of the most widely used kit-bashes from HO to S over the years. Besides the people doors, just add a stone or concrete base of from anywhere to 1/4" to 1/2". One building is fine. Two joined length-wise is good for a small foundry or machine shop. This kit was originally made by Revell. Revell actually started with a two stall enginehouse with the dies and then made the Superior Bakery version (no engine doors) and a Printing Co. version with a false front on one front edge. S folks for years bought these kits (and still do - I have some stored away for use) to bash into various industrial brick buildings. One common bash was to buy two of the kits and stack halves on top of one another to make a two-story building flat, but twice as long. Scenery Unlimited actually offers a kit for this for $44.95. Check their catalog out. Check out the scrap boxes at the all-gauge swap meets for parts of these. Jeff Madden To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jhannawald@... Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 21:05:08 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Superior Bakery model Does anyone have a picture of the Superior Bakery model kit in HO that has been converted to S and what was done to convert it besides doors? From the "Structures, Scenery, and Supplies from other scales" on he joint NASG and MHRR web page. It states that it is -- -- Used so frequently by S modelers, that a layout without one of these looks "wrong"! "Perfect for S." Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53766	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model

As I understand it, this was a re-do of a Revell kit and modeled somewhat after an engine house on the Gore and Daphited of John Allen??? There have been a variety of adaptations in S of this and similar kits including a variety of "HO" engine house kits. The bricks are usually too big in HO and just right for S, the windows can be modified by removing smaller window mullions (frames) to make larger glass areas more correct (visually) for S. I built one of these as a background freight warehouse years ago for my S layout in Houston, TX (Houston S gaugers). I believe some photos were in the S Gauge Herald, as well as some artcles about this type of conversion. Look at my web site, and search for "layout" links and you will see of examples just such a conversion done, as well as using three different "HO" types of engine houses/building kits for other "background" structures. glad to answer any questions. site: http://www.trains-4-u.com Oh, and for those wishing S coupler info check my blog/web site: http://www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com I always welcome contributions, photo's, how-to's to add to this site...YOUR work will be attributed and credited...pertaining to ANY S coupler, modifications, installations and use for scale, hi-rail, AF and narrow gauge. ALl info is welcome as long as it pertains to the real full size stuff and/or S 1:64 size. Hope this helps a bit, S gaugingly, Peter Loeb in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53767	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewels

Ok Stumpy but I have my original 312 that has green on front and green on tender. 1947 issue. Gilbert must have run out of red jewels that day. Barry Jamison [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53768	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Bobber Caboose Bash

Good Morning All- Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4-wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find anything listed. Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) for the Old Timers? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53769	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Picture needed: 48062 Pennsylvania Docksider

I need a picture for my website TheGilbertGallery.org. If you have one, could you please email me a couple of large pictures - at least 800X600 dpi resolution; the bigger it is, the better resolution we get.  And, of course, a jpg file is best. Several people have asked what kind of picture is best.  The best shot would be on the tracks on a layout to show its "natural habitat" but without too much in the background to take attention away from the engine.  Second best is on a plain light-colored surface like a tabletop with nothing else in the picture. Mostly, people will want to see the side of the car or engine, but a picture is more impressive and informative if you can see a bit of the top and the front end as well. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53770	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

Well all I did was grab a Bachman 0N30 bobber, cut the coupler surrounds and couplers off, removed the Bachman trucks, fitted a pair of later cast metal side frame Flyer trucks, using a nut between the floor and truck as a spacer, and a screw to hold it and there you go. Works fine - half hour work. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Good Morning All- Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4-wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find anything listed. Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) for the Old Timers? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53771	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

The other consideration is that the Franklin and Washington sets are not 027 in scale but nearer 0n30 or 0n36 so the Bachman is more correct in terms of size. Final consideration is they are very cheap new. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alistair McAllister Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Well all I did was grab a Bachman 0N30 bobber, cut the coupler surrounds and couplers off, removed the Bachman trucks, fitted a pair of later cast metal side frame Flyer trucks, using a nut between the floor and truck as a spacer, and a screw to hold it and there you go. Works fine - half hour work. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Good Morning All- Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4-wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find anything listed. Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) for the Old Timers? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53772	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

ON30?  Good idea!  Thanks.  Do the 4-wheel trucks look OK, as opposed to the single axles one usually associates with a bobber? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:01:39 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Well all I did was grab a Bachman 0N30 bobber, cut the coupler surrounds and couplers off, removed the Bachman trucks, fitted a pair of later cast metal side frame Flyer trucks, using a nut between the floor and truck as a spacer, and a screw to hold it and there you go. Works fine - half hour work. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Good Morning All- Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4-wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find anything listed. Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) for the Old Timers? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53773	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

This of course is not a strict 027 caboose but looks alright on a train behind a Casey Jones or Franklin train and since it was 8 wheel in the first place there is no 4 wheel frame to cut around. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alistair McAllister Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Well all I did was grab a Bachman 0N30 bobber, cut the coupler surrounds and couplers off, removed the Bachman trucks, fitted a pair of later cast metal side frame Flyer trucks, using a nut between the floor and truck as a spacer, and a screw to hold it and there you go. Works fine - half hour work. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Good Morning All- Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4-wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find anything listed. Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) for the Old Timers? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53774	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

Bob: While clearly I do not know your budget, it seems to me that your budget should be based upon subscription revenues alone, with advertising revenues to represent the profit potential. For example, assume that: 1. You have 400 subscribers per issue. 2. Production costs per issue are $ 10,000. 3. The value of your services per issue is $ 10,000 since you must consider yourself employed at a fair wage; otherwise, it is not a business. Each subscriber would have to pay $ 5.00 per issue to make it work [$20,000/400 = $ 5.00]. Then, any advertising revenue represents the true profit on your investment. Just a thought. Joe In a message dated 4/9/2009 11:59:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobnalbone04@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , UNLV666@... wrote: > > Things happen. You -- and the magazine -- will be fine! > > Joe > Thanks, Joe, for those sentiments. I'm not sure the magazine will be fine if the advertisers stay on the sidelines. Subscriptions have done better by comparison, but are still not where they need to be. By doing a little quick math in my head, I note that there are over 2,500 members on the 4 Yahoo S groups that I belong to, including the 1:64 Modeling Guide Pop Valve. There is some overlap, to be sure (who knows how many), but there must be a large potential subscriber base out there. Advertisers want to make sure their limited advertising $$ are going to be seen by the most customers and potential customers (those manufacturers that advertise, that is - I've got some views on that for another post). One feeds on the other. Nevertheless, even if 1,000 additional subscribers showed up tomorrow, the magazine would not cover its costs, let alone be profitable, without more advertising revenue. I realize that the focus of this group is geared more toward the Flyer/hi-rail hobbyist than to the scale modeler (which is why the other groups exist), but there are common areas of interest. Bob Nalbone **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53775	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

I like that cheap part!  :) Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:30:50 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash The other consideration is that the Franklin and Washington sets are not 027 in scale but nearer 0n30 or 0n36 so the Bachman is more correct in terms of size. Final consideration is they are very cheap new. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Alistair McAllister Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Well all I did was grab a Bachman 0N30 bobber, cut the coupler surrounds and couplers off, removed the Bachman trucks, fitted a pair of later cast metal side frame Flyer trucks, using a nut between the floor and truck as a spacer, and a screw to hold it and there you go. Works fine - half hour work. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Good Morning All- Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4-wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find anything listed. Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) for the Old Timers? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53776	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels

my 312 and 561 both are green my 312 was '46     in windy Park City --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...> wrote: From: Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:312 marker light jewels To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:20 AM Ok Stumpy but I have my original 312 that has green on front and green on tender. 1947 issue. Gilbert must have run out of red jewels that day. Barry Jamison [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53777	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

Check out: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html Rick Evans On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Jim Ensign wrote: > > > Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go > with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo > Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4- > wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, > partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my > shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find > anything listed. > > Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on > coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) > for the Old Timers? > > Jim E. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53778	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

Looks OK to me. Like I say anyway, cheap quick and easy. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimensign50@... Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash ON30? Good idea! Thanks. Do the 4-wheel trucks look OK, as opposed to the single axles one usually associates with a bobber? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@kern. <mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au> com.au> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:01:39 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Well all I did was grab a Bachman 0N30 bobber, cut the coupler surrounds and couplers off, removed the Bachman trucks, fitted a pair of later cast metal side frame Flyer trucks, using a nut between the floor and truck as a spacer, and a screw to hold it and there you go. Works fine - half hour work. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Good Morning All- Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4-wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find anything listed. Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) for the Old Timers? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53779	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Robert Nalbone <bobnalbone04@...> wrote: From: Robert Nalbone <bobnalbone04@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:42 AM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, UNLV666@... wrote: > > Things happen. You -- and the magazine -- will be fine! > > Joe > Thanks, Joe, for those sentiments. I'm not sure the magazine will be fine if the advertisers stay on the sidelines. Subscriptions have done better by comparison, but are still not where they need to be. By doing a little quick math in my head, I note that there are over 2,500 members on the 4 Yahoo S groups that I belong to, including the 1:64 Modeling Guide Pop Valve. There is some overlap, to be sure (who knows how many), but there must be a large potential subscriber base out there. Advertisers want to make sure their limited advertising $$ are going to be seen by the most customers and potential customers (those manufacturers that advertise, that is - I've got some views on that for another post). One feeds on the other. Nevertheless, even if 1,000 additional subscribers showed up tomorrow, the magazine would not cover its costs, let alone be profitable, without more advertising revenue. I realize that the focus of this group is geared more toward the Flyer/hi-rail hobbyist than to the scale modeler (which is why the other groups exist), but there are common areas of interest. Bob Nalbone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53780	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels

My 1947 SIT version is the same. (All 6 jewels are green) Maybe they ran out of red jewels that _year_! Dale Smith Barry Jamison wrote: > > > Ok Stumpy but I have my original 312 that has green on front and green on > tender. 1947 issue. Gilbert must have run out of red jewels that day. > > Barry Jamison > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53781	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: lay out book sought

back in the 1970's I remember seeing a book with different layouts showing just track no scenery. and it had what track you needed if you wante S ( that is us hear ) and 0 an d H0. But I have not seen it lately. I say it in the library and checking libraries I go to I am coming up with nothing. Any one recall such a book. not sure Carstens of Kalmbach but it is not ont the web site I checked. any assistance appreciated Mike in glorous Park City

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53782	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Greenbergs-American-Flyer-Track-Plans-and-Operating-Instructions/Jeff-Faust/e/9780897780926/?itm=9 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53783	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Spring Update

Robin is now sending out the Spring SHS Update. For a sneak peak, Bill Clark has posted the online .pdf version. You can find it on our website at: http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V20N2.pdf PS Our next shipment is the reefers, rebuilt steel boxcars, 20"radius 30˚ curved track, and 50 ton trucks. This includes some convention and re-release roadnames with new numbers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53784	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels

My original 282 from 1952 also had green markers on the tender. My guess is, they were being made as toys and not for accuracy of detail. Sometimes I think we forget that. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: dfsmith26@... Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:10:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:312 marker light jewels My 1947 SIT version is the same. (All 6 jewels are green) Maybe they ran out of red jewels that _year_! Dale Smith Barry Jamison wrote: > > > Ok Stumpy but I have my original 312 that has green on front and green on > tender. 1947 issue. Gilbert must have run out of red jewels that day. > > Barry Jamison > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53785	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

Actually, 20,000/400 = 50.00. Fortunately production costs are not 10K per issue, although they're plenty high. The truth is that the economics of magazine publishing require substantial income from advertisers. As an example, look at Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette. I think many would agree that it is the creme-de-la-creme of model railroad magazines. In the current issue, Bob Brown states in his editorial that his magazine has "more than 100 advertisers." The magazine is printed on high-quality paper, has color throughout and routinely runs around 100 pages. The cover price is $6.95 (US) and the subscription rate is $36.00/yr (US), or $6 per issue (the NG&SLG is published bi-monthly). By contrast, the 1:64 Modeling Guide cover price is $7.95 (lowered from the $8.95 it used to be), the subscription rate is $27.95 (US Std. rate), or $6.98 per issue (I publish quarterly), has very limited color and is 32 pages. I gotta tell you that I love the Gazette, and it's the only model railroad magazine I subscribe to (I get the 1:64 Modeling Guide for free -- yeah right!). And I know that I'm comparing apples to grapes (or maybe apples to crabapples) but... ...I don't have Mr. Brown's numbers handy, but if he has 10,000 subscribers, that would be $360,000 yearly gross (I'm assuming only US subscribers, for the sake of discussion). It sounds like a lot, but he's got to pay his printer and mailing service, postage, his office staff, any other outside support, general office expenses, taxes, etc. Additionally, Kalmbach handles his hobby shop distribution and promotion and I'm sure they don't do it for free. I have no idea what all these ongoing business expenses add up to, but I'll bet they eat into that 360K in a hurry. Without the advertising revenue I'm thinking he'd be in a world of hurt. My joke about apples and crabapples above aside, I am proud of the 1:64 Modeling Guide. It's produced on a very tight budget and the audience it's trying to reach, namely a small segment of a small segment of a hobby that is less popular than it was years ago, is a limiting factor but that doesn't mean it can't and won't be successful. It will - but I need the advertisers, plain and simple. ________________________________ From: "UNLV666@..." <UNLV666@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:20:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue Bob: While clearly I do not know your budget, it seems to me that your budget should be based upon subscription revenues alone, with advertising revenues to represent the profit potential. For example, assume that: 1. You have 400 subscribers per issue. 2. Production costs per issue are $ 10,000. 3. The value of your services per issue is $ 10,000 since you must consider yourself employed at a fair wage; otherwise, it is not a business. Each subscriber would have to pay $ 5.00 per issue to make it work [$20,000/400 = $ 5.00]. Then, any advertising revenue represents the true profit on your investment. Just a thought. Joe In a message dated 4/9/2009 11:59:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobnalbone04@ yahoo.com writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) , UNLV666@... wrote: > > Things happen. You -- and the magazine -- will be fine! > > Joe > Thanks, Joe, for those sentiments. I'm not sure the magazine will be fine if the advertisers stay on the sidelines. Subscriptions have done better by comparison, but are still not where they need to be. By doing a little quick math in my head, I note that there are over 2,500 members on the 4 Yahoo S groups that I belong to, including the 1:64 Modeling Guide Pop Valve. There is some overlap, to be sure (who knows how many), but there must be a large potential subscriber base out there. Advertisers want to make sure their limited advertising $$ are going to be seen by the most customers and potential customers (those manufacturers that advertise, that is - I've got some views on that for another post). One feeds on the other. Nevertheless, even if 1,000 additional subscribers showed up tomorrow, the magazine would not cover its costs, let alone be profitable, without more advertising revenue. I realize that the focus of this group is geared more toward the Flyer/hi-rail hobbyist than to the scale modeler (which is why the other groups exist), but there are common areas of interest. Bob Nalbone ************ **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food. aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid= emlcntusfood0000 0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53786	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought

I believe I know the book you speak of, and I re call it being a Green hard back book about 100 pages or so. I also recall it being by a guy named Jeff Faust. If this is the book you speak of, let me know as I can probably obtain a copy of it. Thanks and hope I was of help! Rich >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53787	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Bobber Caboose Bash

Rick and I, and I believe a few others have long ago discovered using Bachmann On30 stuff to bash S cars. It is really a very easy conversion, easier than most other projects I have done in S! The cars run about $20. or less at shows and on the internet, SHS or AM trucks and couplers are under eight bucks, so you're under thirty bucks for a whole different car! All you do is take the screws holding the On30 trucks off and use them to mount S trucks. Clip the coupler pocket off the "frame" part which is separate of the floor to use AF compatable couplers. These are also great for repainting and relettering. I plan to have some of these converted cars on hand at the Spree to run and display as well as my custom Franklins, Casey Jones, and a few other items. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53788	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: 312 marker light jewels

Thanks for all of the replies everyone. I am finishing a rebuild of a 312 SIT which came to me in many, many pieces. I asked about the jewel/color placement to see if there was a correct ACG way. If there was, that is how it would be done. Apparently they were flexible on this so mine will have green jewels in front and red on the back of the tender. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > My original 282 from 1952 also had green markers on the tender. My guess is, they were being made as toys and not for accuracy of detail. Sometimes I think we forget that. Thanks, Larry Moore > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: dfsmith26@... > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:10:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:312 marker light jewels > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53789	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

Wow!  Talk about a how-to response!   Must be very similar to the conversion Alistair described.  Thanks, it's destined to be in my "Saved Mail" box. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:59:35 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose Bash Check out: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html Rick Evans On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Jim Ensign wrote: > > > Anyone out there SUCCESSFULLY bashed an O-27 bobber caboose to go > with your Frontiersman sets? My first effort was to put a cheapo > Atlas shell on a shortened Flyer caboose chassis, retaining both 4- > wheel trucks. To put it mildly, it was less than satisfactory, > partly due to how odd the trucks looked, and partly because of my > shoddy workmanship! I searched the photos section but didn't find > anything listed. > > Or maybe I need to consider other solutions. Any other ideas on > coming up with an appropriately-sized caboose (hopefully a bobber) > for the Old Timers? > > Jim E. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53790	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: 312 marker light jewels

Larry is right, some of us do tend to loose sight of the fact that these are toys! But this question has brought up some good information too. Having the incorrect jewels on my 310 doesn't bug me enough to change them, or replace the missing ones, even though I "know better!" Heck, with my eyes, I can't see 'em that well when the train is running anyway! My rebuilt 310 will be at the Spree too. Stumpy Stone...still without regular e-mail in the land of Comcast.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53791	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

Just as a matter of interest. I run the Bachman caboose behind my Franklin or a Casey Jones. It would be more accurate behind the later because I strongly suspect a Civil War era caboose would look nothing like the cabooses we imagine. I suspect it was a boxcar with perhaps some side windows like the one in the picture next to the loco shown here. http://www.mymodelrailroad.net/images/President.jpg I think the bobber in any case was not as old as some think probably dating in the form we know of from the 1880's and 90's on. But as I say looks fine. I will probably repaint mine to suit the Franklin as well as repainting my Mounds boxcar which has a heat deformity in the middle of the roof anyway. Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53792	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

Actually I suspect that the boxcar in the picture was one used for carrying troops but nonetheless I would think that the original cabeese were based on that with no cupola and perhaps a stove. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alistair McAllister Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Bobber Caboose Bash Just as a matter of interest. I run the Bachman caboose behind my Franklin or a Casey Jones. It would be more accurate behind the later because I strongly suspect a Civil War era caboose would look nothing like the cabooses we imagine. I suspect it was a boxcar with perhaps some side windows like the one in the picture next to the loco shown here. http://www.mymodelr <http://www.mymodelrailroad.net/images/President.jpg> ailroad.net/images/President.jpg I think the bobber in any case was not as old as some think probably dating in the form we know of from the 1880's and 90's on. But as I say looks fine. I will probably repaint mine to suit the Franklin as well as repainting my Mounds boxcar which has a heat deformity in the middle of the roof anyway. Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53793	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

How about a MP Stock car to go along as the transport of horses & or cattle was pretty common with the passenger cars. Mike Who In a message dated 4/10/2009 7:11:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alizoo@... writes: Just as a matter of interest. I run the Bachman caboose behind my Franklin or a Casey Jones. It would be more accurate behind the later because I strongly suspect a Civil War era caboose would look nothing like the cabooses we imagine. I suspect it was a boxcar with perhaps some side windows like the one in the picture next to the loco shown here. _http://www.mymodelrhttp://www.mhttp://www.mymodhttp_ (http://www.mymodelrailroad.net/images/President.jpg) I think the bobber in any case was not as old as some think probably dating in the form we know of from the 1880's and 90's on. But as I say looks fine. I will probably repaint mine to suit the Franklin as well as repainting my Mounds boxcar which has a heat deformity in the middle of the roof anyway. Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53794	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose Bash

Did you by chance notice the band spacing on the water tanks. There is absent any pronounced decrease in tension band spacing from top to bottom. Perhaps just not a conservatively engineered (?) design!? JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53795	From: John	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: E-mail

Hey Terry Maybe you just need some new string on your tin can connections!! lol > Stumpy Stone...still without regular e-mail in the land of Comcast.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53796	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: ???

Please, what is this "bashing"?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53797	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ???

Bashing, as in "Kit-bashing." This is a model railroad term for taking a model kit and modifying it by using part or all of a second kit. As in "bashing two kits together to make a different model." As I recall, this term surfaced in the hobby press in the seventies, but had been around before. While it originally was just for kit building, it later covered customizing Ready To Run stuff and all sorts of modifying of an original item. When those of us who can't seem to live with an item in original condition use the term here, it often refers to old American Flyer customized or something not meant as S gauge being modified to suit our S scale needs. Some kit-bashes are done to follow the prototype more closely, while others are done to fit a particular enthusiast's need for the layout. Most of us rebuild or "kit-bash" old flyer we get out of junk boxes or yard sales, usually not running pieces. HO and O scale structures get Kit-bashed to S, and currently there is growing interest in converting Bachmann On30 rolling stock for use in S gauge. Because this is O scale but narrow gauge prototype, the size is very close to S scale. Stumpy Stone...avid Basher, Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher...Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53798	From: G C	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ???

Bashing: Taking any structure, locomotive, freight car, passenger car or any other model or toy sized railroad related object made by any model railroad type manufacturing company (Lionel, MTH, American Flyer, or any of about a hundred other companies), and either cutting apart, recombining, adding details, combining parts from two or more original units to create a new object (model or toy train object). That "model or toy" can then either represent or otherwise simulate a prototypical (real to life) model or it can represent something that is entirely free lanced (not necessarily prototypical. but fun to have for your own needs and interests). Such activity can be in any scale or proportion, or ratio that the particular person is working in. That is the long winded answer. here's the short one: its fun and allows a creative outlet to make things you can't purchase, but want or need for your railroad. Also, This says nothing about original monitary value, collectable quality, or any other material conseideration for original parts, models or toys used. What is used is in my humble opinion a raw material that just happens to look like something else to start with. Gene Cimino (Original Member Of The Brotherhood of Bashers) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53799	From: dirtysandtrap	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: tender step

Does anyone know where i can get a front step for my hudson tender

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53800	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: RMC Item Re Smokey Mountain Model Works B&O Wagontop Kit in S Scale

FYI: In the "S scale product news" subsection of "Dispatchers Report........product news" section of the April 2009 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman (p. 28), there is an item stating that Smokey Mountain Model Works has two new S scale resin, rolling stock kits, one of which is a B&O wagontop boxcar. The kits are priced at $80 including trucks, couplers and decals. Paul S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53801	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: ??? Bashing

Hi Dave, When someone starts with a model kit and then changes it to be something else, that is 'kit bashing'. Sometimes it is a fairly simple change to the kit pieces and sometimes it is a radical new use for the kit parts as an entirely new model. As time has passed, some of us have started with complete models (such as a R-T-R locomotive) and bashed that into something entirely new. Bashing is one of the main methods for obtaining S-scale models from things that were not originally manufactured to be in S-Scale. Walt Disney used the concept in his theme parks. The first floors of the buildings on his Main Streets are of normal height. The upper stories are normally built to a 5/8 scale. It adds the appearance of height and looks just fine to the visitors. We can do the same thing with the many HO building kits. Bash the first floor into S-Scale height and just keep the rest. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Winslow Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] ??? Please, what is this "bashing"? _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53802	From: Ted Walton	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Superior Bakery model

I added 3 photos to my photo album "Walton" in the photo section. Is this the HO item your talking about kit bashing to S scale? I guess you would have to start from an unbuilt kit rather then one all ready assembled? Ted Walton >This structure has been one of the most widely used kit-bashes from HO to S over the years. Jeff Madden< -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: 4/10/2009 6:39 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53803	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: RMC Item Re Smokey Mountain Model Works B&O Wagontop Kit in S Sc

We carry the SMMW kits, but be aware that these kits are S-scale kits....not highrail....and you would have to make your own modifications in order to handle highrail wheels and/or couplers. Doug Peck Port Lines www.portlines.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul4Schil@... wrote: > > FYI: > > In the "S scale product news" subsection of "Dispatchers > Report........product news" section of the April 2009 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman > (p. 28), there is an item stating that Smokey Mountain Model Works has two > new S scale resin, rolling stock kits, one of which is a B&O wagontop > boxcar. The kits are priced at $80 including trucks, couplers and decals. > > > Paul S. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53804	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model

Ted, That's the item. I've got an unbuilt kit that I'm looking to turning it into a S something, may keep it as a bakery. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Walton To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Superior Bakery model I added 3 photos to my photo album "Walton" in the photo section. Is this the HO item your talking about kit bashing to S scale? I guess you would have to start from an unbuilt kit rather then one all ready assembled? Ted Walton >This structure has been one of the most widely used kit-bashes from HO to S over the years. Jeff Madden< -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: 4/10/2009 6:39 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53805	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: Re: tender step

Try Port Lines Hobby........ _www.portlines.com_ (http://www.portlines.com) Steve B In a message dated 04/11/2009 10:43:12 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, butch8339@... writes: Does anyone know where i can get a front step for my hudson tender **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing -job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53806	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/12/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53807	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: ??? Bashing

Thanks to all who provided an answer to my question about bashing. What a great group, I can't wait to start my trains. So far I have my basic structure, but have not designed the layout, trying to have 4 different loops running a train each with all the interconnecting track work. I'm close but one table is only 4' wide and without elevating, things are very tight. I have 5 engines and lots of mismatched cars. - Is there a preferred software program for designing layouts? - How does one bend this stiff Gargraves stainless? - I asked before about track underlayment, and picked up some foundation foam stuff at HD, but it seems way too soft to me. Whatever I use, do people just glue it down and then glue the track ties down to it? Thanks again to all, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53808	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/12/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53809	From: G C	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Superior Bakery model

Somewhere in the annals of either Model Railroader or MRC, there is an article written by my all time Kit Bash Hero, Art Curran. Art did a bunch of bashes of the bakery kit. One of them, if I remember correctly, involved combining two kits to make a larger structure. Art was a genius when it came to doing this type of work. I often find articles by him in old magazines and buy them just to place the article in a file. Another guy we should always be on the look out for is Vic Roseman. Vic has done some beautiful work on P'ville. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53810	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Something Wrong With This Picture?

What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53811	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Michael, keep them out of my train room.... :) Clayton --- On Sun, 4/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > From: michael prell <mlprell@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 4:50 PM > What do you folks think about the following practice of > some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, > let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual > parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling > the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse > with this, or am I not seeing things clearly? > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53812	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something wrong with this picture

I guess there are some folks who will be surprised at my answer as I have been called by several collectors a "Mad Butcher." But yes, there IS something wrong with this picture! First of all, if the engine, car, or accessory is in running or decent condition, it should be allowed to remain intact. If it is REALLY nice or fairly rare, there should be no question about leaving it intact! Being a junk box rebuilder, I would prefer to finding something as complete as possible, because if it is missing too much, it isn't worth rebuilding! The more complete an item is, the more likely it will live again. Once the scavengers have stripped it, it's another item too far gone to save, so it is lost forever. Because the price of the individual parts are worth more than a hulk which is intact, this sort of thing will doubtlessly continue and is much more of a danger to surviving old American Flyer than any number of guys like me who bring them back to life in a different paint job, etc. I recommend great care and restraint before stripping anything fairly complete into pieces. Stumpy Sotne...Creative Imagineer in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53813	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Unless it's truly a "junker", I don't agree with that practice. I would never do it myself, and I usually avoid bidding on items if I notice the owner is doing that. But that having been said.....he (she) owns it, and has the right to do so. Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > > What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53814	From: The LANIERs	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

This has been going on for some time, as I have commented on it before. The reason it is happening is simple - GREED. The whole is worth less than the sum of its' parts. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53815	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

michael prell wrote: > What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on > E-Bay? Take a perfectly good engine, let's say a Northern. Break it up > into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than > selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issue with > this, or am I not seeing things clearly? I find it disturbing. I know it's the "greed factor" as I deal in 1:1 classic sports cars and they are also often worth many times their running value as parts. But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( Same thing for those who tear up old magazines and sell them page by page. Many times I have wanted a whole magazine for an interesting article but the seller wouldn't sell it. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53816	From: Ben Perry	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Greetings All; Yes it is a shame. There ought to be a law against it. I am going to write my Congressman & Senators to introduce legislation or add a rider to the pending Computer legislation banning this type of behavior. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: The LANIERs Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? This has been going on for some time, as I have commented on it before. The reason it is happening is simple - GREED. The whole is worth less than the sum of its' parts. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53817	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

He's being doing it for a number of years but it hasn't raised much opposition. Another bad habit is separating tenders. Hard to do with metal Flyer but they still do it. The absolute classic was a seller who was silly enough to separate a Standard Gauge Lionel 400E from its tender. The tender sold like a flash - the seller still has the loco 18 months later. Kept together he would have got good money for the pair. Actually the TCA should make a recommendation that unless junkers tenders and locos should be kept together in sales. Not that it would deter many. Its all a fact of life and we have to live with it. Our angst will not help to keep good locos in one piece. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cohn Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:14 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? michael prell wrote: > What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on > E-Bay? Take a perfectly good engine, let's say a Northern. Break it up > into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than > selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issue with > this, or am I not seeing things clearly? I find it disturbing. I know it's the "greed factor" as I deal in 1:1 classic sports cars and they are also often worth many times their running value as parts. But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( Same thing for those who tear up old magazines and sell them page by page. Many times I have wanted a whole magazine for an interesting article but the seller wouldn't sell it. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53818	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

So much for ethics,right?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 8:31 PM Unless it's truly a "junker", I don't agree with that practice. I would never do it myself, and I usually avoid bidding on items if I notice the owner is doing that. But that having been said.....he (she) owns it, and has the right to do so. Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@... > wrote: > > > What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53819	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell . . . . . . . What do you folks think about . . . . [taking] a perfectly good engine, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > A thought-provoking question. Many people seem to think the train community's desires should overrule the rights of an individual to do as he sees fit with his property. The pieces in YOUR collection belong to all of us, and certain of them we forbid you to modify in any way. Maybe we need more laws. Maybe after the revolution things will be different. I don't know how many parts the northern can be disassembled into; let's say 10. A possibility not mentioned yet is that up to 10 northerns out there missing parts may be put back in service through this parting out. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53820	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

A sad thing to do, but who are we, to tell someone on how they should sell something they own? I see engine all the time, as you probably too, being sold, as they sell the tender separately. Sad, but again, we have no control on what someone what to do with the things they own. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53821	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

If it's a part I need, I may not know how it got there. If I didn't see the other listings, I would not know. jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53822	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

I was told years back that my train room would be in the upper 100K range if we pulled them all apart, and bagged them up. Then sold them off... I'm sure the rest of you are in the same boat with me... Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53823	From: A E Johnson	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

There is one way to stop this practice. Stay away from Ebay. The people that do this have figured out a way to make money. That is to break these engines and tenders down and sell them or the components separately. If there were no profit in it, they would not do it. Several years ago there was a small local shop that bought and resold, among other things, "pre-owned" golf clubs. They would buy a set, 2-SW. Then they would separate the 2 iron and the wedges off. They would then sell 3-9 as a set and charge extra for the 2 iron, pitching wedge and sand wedge. This way that were selling the used set almost at the price of a new full set. Thankfully the public got tired of them and they are out of business. Same holds true for those people that are breaking up still pristine AF sets, engines and tenders.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53824	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

A E Johnson wrote: > > There is one way to stop this practice. Stay away from Ebay. The people that > do this have figured out a way to make money. That is to break these engines > and tenders down and sell them or the components separately. If there were > no profit in it, they would not do it. A principle of the free market is that supply, demand, pricing, all work to bring about the greatest incentives and best distribution of products and services. It never looks that way when we look only at a small segment, but the big picture tells a different story. The reason parts sell for more, is that they ultimately enable more trains to remain loved and running. > Several years ago there was a small local shop that bought and resold, among > other things, "pre-owned" golf clubs. They would buy a set, 2-SW. Then they > would separate the 2 iron and the wedges off. They would then sell 3-9 as a > set and charge extra for the 2 iron, pitching wedge and sand wedge. This way > that were selling the used set almost at the price of a new full set. > Thankfully the public got tired of them and they are out of business. And look at what myopic thinking does to a person, make them glad when others go out of business. This is hatred and intolerance in my book. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53825	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

George Cohn wrote: > But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less > original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( I think you guys are all looking only at the loss of the donor and not counting the disabled components brought back to life via its parts. The net bottom line is more not less.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53826	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

michael prell wrote: > > > What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on > E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up > into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than > selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with > this, or am I not seeing things clearly? Without the parts the practice provides, there would be so many more engines out there disabled and waiting. I'm sure it is not the MOST perfectly good items that are parted out.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53827	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

And if you are really unhappy about it. Bid on all of the parts high enough to get them, put the locomotive and tender back together and enjoy it or resell the complete locomotive/tender set. This will provide a valuable service to the collecting community.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:37 AM A E Johnson wrote: > > There is one way to stop this practice. Stay away from Ebay. The people that > do this have figured out a way to make money. That is to break these engines > and tenders down and sell them or the components separately. If there were > no profit in it, they would not do it. A principle of the free market is that supply, demand, pricing, all work to bring about the greatest incentives and best distribution of products and services. It never looks that way when we look only at a small segment, but the big picture tells a different story. The reason parts sell for more, is that they ultimately enable more trains to remain loved and running. > Several years ago there was a small local shop that bought and resold, among > other things, "pre-owned" golf clubs. They would buy a set, 2-SW. Then they > would separate the 2 iron and the wedges off. They would then sell 3-9 as a > set and charge extra for the 2 iron, pitching wedge and sand wedge. This way > that were selling the used set almost at the price of a new full set. > Thankfully the public got tired of them and they are out of business. And look at what myopic thinking does to a person, make them glad when others go out of business. This is hatred and intolerance in my book. Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53828	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Hi all: I think one is going a little far in bringing ethics into this discussion. Is the conduct good or bad to a group of people? Probably a little of both, so it is like some of the laws Congress passes - helps some, hurts some. Does it beg the question of ethics for the whole? Is it an accepted standard not to sell parts, or is it accepted that people can sell what they own, as they choose, etc. etc. etc. Oh well, life certainly will go on. And, of course, there is the added question: Won't this might make the whole "entities" that others possess even more valuable??? regards to all Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Lots of snow remaining on this rainy day. michael prell wrote: > > > So much for ethics,right? > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Doug Peck <doug@... > <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>> wrote: > > From: Doug Peck <doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Something Wrong With This Picture? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 8:31 PM > > Unless it's truly a "junker", I don't agree with that practice. I > would never do it myself, and I usually avoid bidding on items if I > notice the owner is doing that. > But that having been said.....he (she) owns it, and has the right to > do so. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@... > wrote: > > > > > > What do you folks think about the following practice of some who > sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. > Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for > sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out > there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53829	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Comcast update from Appalachia

FINALLY...Comcast got the knot out in the string between the two tin cans they use around here and our e-mail and internet service has returned to normal. (fingers crossed) I even found a nice form letter in my e-mail this morning telling me how sorry they were at the interuption of my service, and blamed the trouble on a power outage. This single outage took me out of the game off and on for ten days and to finally get things to work completely right, I had to have my computer buddy come up here and iron out some details with one of their techies on the phone. Ain't technology grand? But now I'm "back among the living" and can clear up the backlog of over a hundred e-mails! So if you're waiting on an answer to a message you sent, don't dispare, you'll hear from me soon. Oh, and if you don't understand the reference to "two tin cans and a string" just ask someone old enough to remember doing this as a kid...like someone at least 60! ;-) Stumpy Stone...Oh what a relief it is...eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53830	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something is wrong with this picture

Before someone says; "Stumpy is being unfair about this, he butchers up stuff all the time, why shouldn't I strip an engine and sell parts?" Let me get a little deeper into the discussion. And as far as ethics and greed entering into the picture, perhaps if these were a concern in the halls of Congress and the board rooms of major corporations we wouldn't be in the shape we're in. Everyone has their own standards and ethics, and that is fine. Even as a Creative Imagineer, there are things my conscience won't let me do. For instance, I don't work over a rare, valuable item, nor do I tear up a complete engine, even if it doesn't run. That is for folks who are willing to restore the item. With the exception of a few very common pieces, all of my stuff was to the point that NO ONE else wanted it! (And, of course, it was CHEAP too.) I have probably spent many hundreds of dollars on junk over the years to find enough pieces to put a few items back together rather than do my "transformations" on running stuff. Yes, I have purchased parts on eBay. But generally my own junk boxes have become big enough to provide parts now. However, there are people on eBay and at train shows who are stripping good running items for parts, and after a while we all know who they are. By the way, the practice is prevelent in O scale 3 rail too! I am finding in my own junk pile that I'm going to be left with useless boiler shells and tender floors and other bits someday. But at least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I didn't dismember good stuff for financial gain to the detriment of the hobby. In the end however, these are just my "ethics" when it comes to old trains. It is a free country, and no matter what others do which I find displeasing, it is their right. After all, I have the right to come on this Group and use my freedom of speech to give my opinion. Stumpy Stone...even automobile junk yards don't strip rebuildable cars these days...eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53831	From: michael prell	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Wow! Although I admit surprise that my initial comment regarding this practice generated such a diverse mixture of opinion, I have to say that my original feelings about the practice still holds. It's one thing if parts are being sold from scrap or junk. It is still another if a perfectly good engin or accessory is torn apart in order to turn a profit. My opinion only. Remember that some of these items have survived the war of time, kids playing with them and moving from place to place without being ruined. I'm talking about 50 to 60 years of survival. This practice bothers the hell out of me. I guess what started me off on this subject was my seeing six or seven consecutive ads by the same party showing the same engin in six or seven stages of destruction. Talk about blatent! Again, my opinion. To all who took the time to reply, you guys are the greatest. Controversy and debate is what makes us the group we are. Keep up the good work. BTW. Anyone want to buy some parts from a 57 chevy? {;>) Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 6:59 AM And if you are really unhappy about it. Bid on all of the parts high enough to get them, put the locomotive and tender back together and enjoy it or resell the complete locomotive/tender set. This will provide a valuable service to the collecting community.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@TDS. net> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@TDS. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:37 AM A E Johnson wrote: > > There is one way to stop this practice. Stay away from Ebay. The people that > do this have figured out a way to make money. That is to break these engines > and tenders down and sell them or the components separately. If there were > no profit in it, they would not do it. A principle of the free market is that supply, demand, pricing, all work to bring about the greatest incentives and best distribution of products and services. It never looks that way when we look only at a small segment, but the big picture tells a different story. The reason parts sell for more, is that they ultimately enable more trains to remain loved and running. > Several years ago there was a small local shop that bought and resold, among > other things, "pre-owned" golf clubs. They would buy a set, 2-SW. Then they > would separate the 2 iron and the wedges off. They would then sell 3-9 as a > set and charge extra for the 2 iron, pitching wedge and sand wedge. This way > that were selling the used set almost at the price of a new full set. > Thankfully the public got tired of them and they are out of business. And look at what myopic thinking does to a person, make them glad when others go out of business. This is hatred and intolerance in my book. Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53832	From: michael prell	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something is wrong with this picture

Stump! Who loves ya, Baby! " Stumpy Stone...even automobile junk yards don't strip rebuildable cars these days...eastern Ahia." The junk yards don't but the chop shops still do and although the guys selling the stuff on the Big Bay own the right to do so, I kind of feel that we are all being robbed of a rich heritage. Just me. Mike Prell,The loud mouth from Syracuse   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:re:Something is wrong with this picture To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 8:39 AM Before someone says; "Stumpy is being unfair about this, he butchers up stuff all the time, why shouldn't I strip an engine and sell parts?" Let me get a little deeper into the discussion. And as far as ethics and greed entering into the picture, perhaps if these were a concern in the halls of Congress and the board rooms of major corporations we wouldn't be in the shape we're in. Everyone has their own standards and ethics, and that is fine. Even as a Creative Imagineer, there are things my conscience won't let me do. For instance, I don't work over a rare, valuable item, nor do I tear up a complete engine, even if it doesn't run. That is for folks who are willing to restore the item. With the exception of a few very common pieces, all of my stuff was to the point that NO ONE else wanted it! (And, of course, it was CHEAP too.) I have probably spent many hundreds of dollars on junk over the years to find enough pieces to put a few items back together rather than do my "transformations" on running stuff. Yes, I have purchased parts on eBay. But generally my own junk boxes have become big enough to provide parts now. However, there are people on eBay and at train shows who are stripping good running items for parts, and after a while we all know who they are. By the way, the practice is prevelent in O scale 3 rail too! I am finding in my own junk pile that I'm going to be left with useless boiler shells and tender floors and other bits someday. But at least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I didn't dismember good stuff for financial gain to the detriment of the hobby. In the end however, these are just my "ethics" when it comes to old trains. It is a free country, and no matter what others do which I find displeasing, it is their right. After all, I have the right to come on this Group and use my freedom of speech to give my opinion. Stumpy Stone...even automobile junk yards don't strip rebuildable cars these days...eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53833	From: william cole	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

free country....and they own the loco.... is it a genuine replacement part? technically no, but it is a part...   Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sun, 4/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:50 PM What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53834	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Dave Winslow wrote: > > George Cohn wrote: > > > But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less > > original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( > > I think you guys are all looking only at the loss of the > donor and not counting the disabled components brought back > to life via its parts. The net bottom line is more not less. Perhaps it is my car experience speaking but when one has an original, somewhat rare, or limited production vehicle, it is generally very sought after because it is "matching numbers," IE has all or most of the original parts. Breaking one of these up for parts is almost considered an unforgivable sin. Perhaps the modifier should be if its a somewhat rare locomotive, then by all means it should stay as one piece. There are reproduction and junkers that could be used to repair other locomotives. I think the whole argument here was, "Is it ethical to break up a really nice piece of running stock to maximize the parts value?" Probably not but then again, he owns it and can smash it with a hammer if he so desires. Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually triumphs ethics. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53835	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

There may be a few of the "greedy types" out there selling perfectly complete locos as individual parts, but I've also sat down and wrote down all the parts that appear to be from the same engine only to find it is short either an expensive or hard-to-find part.   I recently purchase a Franklin that was missing a few easily-replaced parts and listed as not running.  After getting it on my workbench, cleaning it up, getting it running and reversing properly, what was my biggest problem?  Two melt marks on the boiler!  They forced my hand to do the body putty fix and repaint the entire engine. Needless to say the repaint is nowhere near the factory version, in fact I ended up re-branding it for the D&RG.  And so it goes.... Jim E.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael prell" <mlprell@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:50:46 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? What do you folks think about the following practice of some who sell on E-Bay. Take a perfectly good engin, let's say a Northern. Break it up into its individual parts and packaging those parts for sale rather than selling the thing as a complete unit? Anyone out there got issuse with this, or am I not seeing things clearly?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53836	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Comcast update from Appalachia

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > Oh, and if you don't understand the reference to "two tin cans and a > string" just ask someone old enough to remember doing this as a > kid...like someone at least 60! ;-) > LOL! I spent 32 years in the IT industry doing mostly telecom engineering for a large health care chain. One year my wife and a couple of co-workers made a tin can phone set with the words "Molehill Bell" on it because we were in the "Mountain Bell" service area! I still have that hung over my door for an emergency backup when all else fails. That was one of the things we did as kids when we weren't playing with our trains, flying kites, or watching "Mr Wizard" on Saturday morning TV. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53837	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53838	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

I don't have any problem with this practice if the engine is a junker or not in very good shape. Given the often discussed situation with the average age of us collectors becoming a bit "advanced", I think it is safe to say that the total number of collectors will be increasingly diminished over the next years, and guess what - the supply of collectable trains will only increase. The supply is going to go up, the demand will go down, and also the prices are going to go down. So I don't think there will be any shortage of collectable trains caused by these people who part them out. Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53839	From: michael prell	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

George Cohn wrote, "Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually triumphs ethics." Up until the point when one loks in the mirror and probably even then. Oh well.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 4/13/09, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:35 AM Dave Winslow wrote: > > George Cohn wrote: > > > But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less > > original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( > > I think you guys are all looking only at the loss of the > donor and not counting the disabled components brought back > to life via its parts. The net bottom line is more not less. Perhaps it is my car experience speaking but when one has an original, somewhat rare, or limited production vehicle, it is generally very sought after because it is "matching numbers," IE has all or most of the original parts. Breaking one of these up for parts is almost considered an unforgivable sin. Perhaps the modifier should be if its a somewhat rare locomotive, then by all means it should stay as one piece. There are reproduction and junkers that could be used to repair other locomotives. I think the whole argument here was, "Is it ethical to break up a really nice piece of running stock to maximize the parts value?" Probably not but then again, he owns it and can smash it with a hammer if he so desires. Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually triumphs ethics. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53840	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53841	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53842	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

George Cohn wrote: > > > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > George Cohn wrote: > > > > > But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less > > > original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( > > > > I think you guys are all looking only at the loss of the > > donor and not counting the disabled components brought back > > to life via its parts. The net bottom line is more not less. > > Perhaps it is my car experience speaking but when one has an original, > somewhat rare, or limited production vehicle, it is generally very > sought after because it is "matching numbers," IE has all or most of the > original parts. Breaking one of these up for parts is almost considered > an unforgivable sin. My son now owns my 62 Corvette, so I know what you mean. But in this case, parting it out would not result in more money, at least not if you consider the trouble, effort, advertising involved. That is why one has to be a real wreck to end up in pieces. I don't know why, other than limited vision, a person would not expect the market to properly price the parts, the whole, such that maximum value is realized. that would not be fewer trains, but more. > Perhaps the modifier should be if its a somewhat rare locomotive, then > by all means it should stay as one piece. There are reproduction and > junkers that could be used to repair other locomotives. And the market does indeed put a real premium on rare locos, like that $2100 switcher we saw on Ebay recently. > I think the whole argument here was, "Is it ethical to break up a really > nice piece of running stock to maximize the parts value?" Ethical? Is there something dishonest about parting out anything? Does it not benefit the seller and all the buys. Who are any of us to complain of the fair dealings of others? > Probably not but then again, he owns it and can smash > it with a hammer if he so desires. He can and he should, without people who have no skin in the deal. Bystanders to the dealings of others can keep their remarks to themselves in my opinion. > Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually > triumphs ethics. I almost always read the word "greed" in relation to other people's motives. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53843	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Parts

For car parts, go to the junk yard. Parts from a dealer, if you bought what were needed to build a whole car would cost three times as much as a whole, put together, car. There's always been money in the parts business. Some cars are stolen to strip for parts. So, our trains are no different. We hope the used parts came off of a junker, but how can you tell? jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53844	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Yes, how many have smashed an old caboose to sell the trucks? So, what you smash can make a difference. jfred --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 1:01 PM George Cohn wrote: > > > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > George Cohn wrote: > > > > > But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less > > > original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( > > > > I think you guys are all looking only at the loss of the > > donor and not counting the disabled components brought back > > to life via its parts. The net bottom line is more not less. > > Perhaps it is my car experience speaking but when one has an original, > somewhat rare, or limited production vehicle, it is generally very > sought after because it is "matching numbers," IE has all or most of the > original parts. Breaking one of these up for parts is almost considered > an unforgivable sin. My son now owns my 62 Corvette, so I know what you mean. But in this case, parting it out would not result in more money, at least not if you consider the trouble, effort, advertising involved. That is why one has to be a real wreck to end up in pieces. I don't know why, other than limited vision, a person would not expect the market to properly price the parts, the whole, such that maximum value is realized. that would not be fewer trains, but more. > Perhaps the modifier should be if its a somewhat rare locomotive, then > by all means it should stay as one piece. There are reproduction and > junkers that could be used to repair other locomotives. And the market does indeed put a real premium on rare locos, like that $2100 switcher we saw on Ebay recently. > I think the whole argument here was, "Is it ethical to break up a really > nice piece of running stock to maximize the parts value?" Ethical? Is there something dishonest about parting out anything? Does it not benefit the seller and all the buys. Who are any of us to complain of the fair dealings of others? > Probably not but then again, he owns it and can smash > it with a hammer if he so desires. He can and he should, without people who have no skin in the deal. Bystanders to the dealings of others can keep their remarks to themselves in my opinion. > Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually > triumphs ethics. I almost always read the word "greed" in relation to other people's motives. Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53845	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

michael prell wrote: > > > > George Cohn wrote, > "Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually > triumphs ethics." > Up until the point when one looks in the mirror and probably even then. > Oh well. I guess that's why I would never make a good salesperson. I always put myself in the other persons shoes and ask myself would I consider this fair or a reasonable deal? With goods 50 years old or so, there is only a finite supply and no matter how you cut the cake, they will only diminish in quantity as years go by. I'm sure a lot of old trains, cars, boats etc. get dumped as soon as the owner dies because the wife never understood the hobby and just wants that "crap" gone. I've seen it happen. I had a former co-worker do that with all of his American Flyer trains when his folks retired and moved. I begged him to have them box them up and I would pay whatever he asked but he didn't want to be bothered. I think it was Will Rogers who once advocated buying all the land you could because "They ain't making any more." Same with old American Flyer. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53846	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Comcast update from Appalachia

SURELY the GREAT ComCast will be giving you a rebate???? Like they do here??? Jim "S Tinplate Ties in the Orange Hall" Lyle In a message dated 4/13/2009 8:27:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: This single outage took me out of the game off and on for ten days **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621489x1201450100/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53847	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Something Wrong? (the other side of the coin)

When we at SnS Trains do a repair, modification, or can motor installation, we often end up with leftover parts. Most of them we purchase from the owner who doesn't want them back. Most often it is non-pullmor wheels, armatures, field magnets, and drum style reverse units. We have dozens of some and hundreds of some on hand. What are we supposed to do with them? I have put some of them on ebay after refurbishing them, and will continue to do so. It is a rare case that someone wants a "replacement" part directly from us. If we couldn't sell these parts on ebay to someone who want or needs them to repair a loco of theirs, we would have to sell them as fishing sinkers.... Steve, SnS Trains Boise **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53848	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong? (the other side of the coin)

Steve that is good - nobody is complaining about that nor at a junker being parted out - it is just that when all the parts of an obviously nice loco appear on eBay that some of us get upset. BTW has anybody parts from a prewar Flyer 3/16th O gauge Northern they can help me out with? Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:52 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Something Wrong? (the other side of the coin) When we at SnS Trains do a repair, modification, or can motor installation, we often end up with leftover parts. Most of them we purchase from the owner who doesn't want them back. Most often it is non-pullmor wheels, armatures, field magnets, and drum style reverse units. We have dozens of some and hundreds of some on hand. What are we supposed to do with them? I have put some of them on ebay after refurbishing them, and will continue to do so. It is a rare case that someone wants a "replacement" part directly from us. If we couldn't sell these parts on ebay to someone who want or needs them to repair a loco of theirs, we would have to sell them as fishing sinkers.... Steve, SnS Trains Boise **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping. <http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001> aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53849	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong? (the other side of the coin)

Why shouldn't they be available for sale??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/13/2009 3:33:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boss31@... writes: We have dozens of some and hundreds of some on hand. What are we supposed to do with them? **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621489x1201450100/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53850	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Comcast update from Appalachia

Stumpy, Don't forget the wax on the string between the two cans !! Barry Jamison [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53851	From: bstilesaf	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: 592/592A/600?? Bases for sale

I recently came across two pressed wood bases for the crossing gate numbered 592/592A/600. One has holes for 4 binding posts, one for two. The bases have flaking paint (not a total loss) and the solenoid/crossing arm holders, light bulb holders, etc. The shanty and crossing gate arms are missing. Good for parts or a rebuild. York is coming...Fred Jester or Portlines should have all the goods to make two good operating crossing gates for a few bucks. I don't know what these are worth...offers? Also...does anyone know a full list of hotels/fire halls having "York pre-shows?" I have Tuesday available and plan to hit these shows...I did once before, but did not get them all.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53852	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

and he notes - Been there - done that! Raleigh (the old caboose stomper) in Maine... At 02:38 PM 4/13/2009, JFrederick Roberts wrote: >Yes, how many have smashed an old caboose to sell the trucks? So, >what you smash can make a difference. > >jfred > >--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Dave Winslow ><<mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>davidwin@...> wrote: >From: Dave Winslow <<mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>davidwin@...> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 1:01 PM > >George Cohn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > > > > > George Cohn wrote: > > > > > > > > > But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less > > > > > original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( > > > > > > > > I think you guys are all looking only at the loss of the > > > > donor and not counting the disabled components brought back > > > > to life via its parts. The net bottom line is more not less. > > > > > > Perhaps it is my car experience speaking but when one has an original, > > > somewhat rare, or limited production vehicle, it is generally very > > > sought after because it is "matching numbers," IE has all or most of the > > > original parts. Breaking one of these up for parts is almost considered > > > an unforgivable sin. > >My son now owns my 62 Corvette, so I know what you mean. But > >in this case, parting it out would not result in more money, > >at least not if you consider the trouble, effort, > >advertising involved. That is why one has to be a real wreck > >to end up in pieces. > >I don't know why, other than limited vision, a person would > >not expect the market to properly price the parts, the > >whole, such that maximum value is realized. that would not > >be fewer trains, but more. > > > Perhaps the modifier should be if its a somewhat rare locomotive, then > > > by all means it should stay as one piece. There are reproduction and > > > junkers that could be used to repair other locomotives. > >And the market does indeed put a real premium on rare locos, > >like that $2100 switcher we saw on Ebay recently. > > > I think the whole argument here was, "Is it ethical to break up a really > > > nice piece of running stock to maximize the parts value?" > >Ethical? Is there something dishonest about parting out > >anything? Does it not benefit the seller and all the buys. > >Who are any of us to complain of the fair dealings of others? > > > Probably not but then again, he owns it and can smash > > > it with a hammer if he so desires. > >He can and he should, without people who have no skin in the > >deal. Bystanders to the dealings of others can keep their > >remarks to themselves in my opinion. > > > Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually > > > triumphs ethics. > >I almost always read the word "greed" in relation to other > >people's motives. > >Dave W. > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53853	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Hey, don't smash the cabeese...you can take the trucks off & sell them & use the body for a cabin in the woods or a whole motel of them..Mike Who In a message dated 4/13/2009 6:38:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, raleigh15@... writes: and he notes - Been there - done that! Raleigh (the old caboose stomper) in Maine... At 02:38 PM 4/13/2009, JFrederick Roberts wrote: >Yes, how many have smashed an old caboose to sell the trucks? So, >what you smash can make a difference. > >jfred > >--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Dave Winslow ><<mailto:davidwin%mailto:da>_davidwin@..._ (mailto:davidwin@...) > wrote: >From: Dave Winslow <<mailto:davidwin%mailto:da>_davidwin@..._ (mailto:davidwin@...) > >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something Wrong With This Picture? >To: <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai>_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 1:01 PM > >George Cohn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > > > > > George Cohn wrote: > > > > > > > > > But for every one that gets broken up for parts, there is one less > > > > > original model available for the true enthusiast. ;-( > > > > > > > > I think you guys are all looking only at the loss of the > > > > donor and not counting the disabled components brought back > > > > to life via its parts. The net bottom line is more not less. > > > > > > Perhaps it is my car experience speaking but when one has an original, > > > somewhat rare, or limited production vehicle, it is generally very > > > sought after because it is "matching numbers," IE has all or most of the > > > original parts. Breaking one of these up for parts is almost considered > > > an unforgivable sin. > >My son now owns my 62 Corvette, so I know what you mean. But > >in this case, parting it out would not result in more money, > >at least not if you consider the trouble, effort, > >advertising involved. That is why one has to be a real wreck > >to end up in pieces. > >I don't know why, other than limited vision, a person would > >not expect the market to properly price the parts, the > >whole, such that maximum value is realized. that would not > >be fewer trains, but more. > > > Perhaps the modifier should be if its a somewhat rare locomotive, then > > > by all means it should stay as one piece. There are reproduction and > > > junkers that could be used to repair other locomotives. > >And the market does indeed put a real premium on rare locos, > >like that $2100 switcher we saw on Ebay recently. > > > I think the whole argument here was, "Is it ethical to break up a really > > > nice piece of running stock to maximize the parts value?" > >Ethical? Is there something dishonest about parting out > >anything? Does it not benefit the seller and all the buys. > >Who are any of us to complain of the fair dealings of others? > > > Probably not but then again, he owns it and can smash > > > it with a hammer if he so desires. > >He can and he should, without people who have no skin in the > >deal. Bystanders to the dealings of others can keep their > >remarks to themselves in my opinion. > > > Its a darned shame when folks do this but greed usually > > > triumphs ethics. > >I almost always read the word "greed" in relation to other > >people's motives. > >Dave W. > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53854	From: burger_christopher	Date: 4/13/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > A sad thing to do, but who are we, to tell someone on how they should sell something they own? > > I see engine all the time, as you probably too, being sold, as they sell the tender separately. Sad, but again, we have no control on what someone what to do with the things they own. > > Mike > wow, i have 8 pieces of engines in front of me right now. i was able to cobble two engines out of all this. i was going to sell all the left over parts, but i guess that is a no no these days. so, with all of you against selling engine parts, please tell me what i should do with these left over pieces? i am at a loss on what to do now. thanks, one who takes parts and puts trains back together then sells the rest left over.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53855	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

No again that is not what it is about. That is fine and what keeps things going. We are talking about dealers who buy a very good loco that should be in someone's collection and part it out when it should be left in one piece. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of burger_christopher Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Something Wrong With This Picture? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > A sad thing to do, but who are we, to tell someone on how they should sell something they own? > > I see engine all the time, as you probably too, being sold, as they sell the tender separately. Sad, but again, we have no control on what someone what to do with the things they own. > > Mike > wow, i have 8 pieces of engines in front of me right now. i was able to cobble two engines out of all this. i was going to sell all the left over parts, but i guess that is a no no these days. so, with all of you against selling engine parts, please tell me what i should do with these left over pieces? i am at a loss on what to do now. thanks, one who takes parts and puts trains back together then sells the rest left over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53856	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: 592/592A/600?? Bases for sale

Ben, Forgot to mention -Holiday Inn West (Holidome) BEST WESTERN HOLIDAY iNN east (Billy Budd) in addition to the two firehalls. Barry Jamison [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53857	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: 592/592A/600?? Bases for sale

Ben, Two shows that I am aware of are as follows. April 20, 21 , 22, 2009 Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday 9 AM to 6 PM Reliance Fire Hall 1341 West Market Fred Jester heads this one up. Springettsbury Fire Hall 3013 East Market Street Hope this helps. Barry Jamison [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53858	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Selling off parts

Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the parts. But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too much missing to rebuild. In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New York... Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53859	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

You're absolutely correct!  The truly ethical thing to do with these parts is to give them away - to me, of course !!!!!! :)  I'd be glad to pay part of the shipping!  Ha! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "burger_christopher" <burger_christopher@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:16:01 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Something Wrong With This Picture? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > A sad thing to do, but who are we, to tell someone on how they should sell something they own? > > I see engine all the time, as you probably too, being sold, as they sell the tender separately. Sad, but again, we have no control on what someone what to do with the things they own. > > Mike > wow, i have 8 pieces of engines in front of me right now. i was able to cobble two engines out of all this. i was going to sell all the left over parts, but i guess that is a no no these days. so, with all of you against selling engine parts, please tell me what i should do with these left over pieces? i am at a loss on what to do now. thanks, one who takes parts and puts trains back together then sells the rest left over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53860	From: michael prell	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Something Wrong With This Picture?

Hold the phone, there, little buddy. I never said i was against selling parts. What bothers me is how the parts were obtained and what sacrifice was made to get them. There is a difference, and as I originally stated, it is just my opinion. Nothing more. Hell, they're your parts. Keep them or not. Who cares? The good news is that you were able to reconstruct something out of what you had. That's cool.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 4/14/09, burger_christopher <burger_christopher@...> wrote: From: burger_christopher <burger_christopher@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Something Wrong With This Picture? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:16 AM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@.. .> wrote: > > A sad thing to do, but who are we, to tell someone on how they should sell something they own? > > I see engine all the time, as you probably too, being sold, as they sell the tender separately. Sad, but again, we have no control on what someone what to do with the things they own. > > Mike > wow, i have 8 pieces of engines in front of me right now. i was able to cobble two engines out of all this. i was going to sell all the left over parts, but i guess that is a no no these days. so, with all of you against selling engine parts, please tell me what i should do with these left over pieces? i am at a loss on what to do now. thanks, one who takes parts and puts trains back together then sells the rest left over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53861	From: michael prell	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

"I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New York..."Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. "Careful whatcha say about New York, there Stump! You're talkin about the place what invented graft & greed in the good ol' USofA. So show a little respect! (This all said with tongue in Cheek{;<) In all seriousness, you've hit the spike right on the head, and try as some might to justify the practice, it just doesn't cut it when one considers what is lost in doing so. Oh well as they say.     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Selling off parts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 8:43 AM Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the parts. But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too much missing to rebuild. In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New York... Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53862	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the > parts. > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, > running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than > what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have > sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too > much missing to rebuild. > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way > parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New > York... > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 functional. Here is the summary and the answer: If a disabled unit is parted out: Functional Disabled Total before 18,000 2,000 20,000 after 18,010 1,989 19,999 If a running unit is parted out: Functional Disabled Total before 18,000 2,000 20,000 after 18,009 1,990 19,999 What am I missing here?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53863	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > "I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New York..."Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. > "Careful whatcha say about New York, there Stump! You're talkin about the place what invented graft & greed in the good ol' USofA. So show a little respect! (This all said with tongue in Cheek{;<) In all seriousness, you've hit the spike right on the head, and try as some might to justify the practice, it just doesn't cut it when one considers what is lost in doing so. Oh well as they say. > > I've seen the same thing with someone who breaks up a complete set including the set box just to generate extra money. >   >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Selling off parts > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 8:43 AM > > > > > > > > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the parts. > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too much missing to rebuild. > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New York... > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53864	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Dave, The only problem with your math is that it assumes that each of these 10 people need only one part to get their unit running and that they get that part. It falls apart if they need more than one part and don't get both. You could end up with 10 people closer to a running locomotive, but still short 1 or more parts. That means 1 less running locomotive, without the 10 more. Even if a person needs more than one part and gets those parts, it is not one new running locomotive for each part either, but one for 2 or three parts. Furthermore, on EBay, the likelihood of winning more than one needed part is not that good if there is spirited bidding. The problem here is the ethics of it. Granted they are free to do with it what they want, but seeing a like new northern sold for parts is really sad, and I have seen that happen on EBay. There is just something wrong about a healthy locomotive giving up its vital organs. Dale Smith Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > > No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the > word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down > into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, > how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's > railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 > functional. Here is the summary and the answer: > > If a disabled unit is parted out: > Functional Disabled Total > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > after 18,010 1,989 19,999 > > If a running unit is parted out: > Functional Disabled Total > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > after 18,009 1,990 19,999 > > What am I missing here? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53865	From: A E Johnson	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Something wrong with this picture

When any of us are into a restoration project, of kit bashing, or whatever, we will often take engines, tenders, or cars and use parts to complete the project. There is nothing wrong with that or selling the left over parts. No argument from me here. But I cringe when someone takes a VG or E engine, tender, or car and just breaks it up for parts. But this is a free country. People can do what they want. And PROFIT is where it is at. If there were no profit in it, then there would be no business for any of us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53866	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Hey Stumpy: I remember some pictures where a guy was buried with his beloved Cadillac - so why not with some AF trains? regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell > the parts. > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a > good, running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces > than what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the > parts have sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now > there is too much missing to rebuild. > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal > way parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to > New York... > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53867	From: The LANIERs	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

What you are missing is that another completely original loco is gone forever. Some of us still care about that. And why did it happen? So someone could make some extra money selling parts that could have been taken from a junker loco instead. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Winslow To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Selling off parts Stumpy Stone wrote: > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the > parts. > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, > running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than > what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have > sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too > much missing to rebuild. > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way > parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New > York... > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 functional. Here is the summary and the answer: If a disabled unit is parted out: Functional Disabled Total before 18,000 2,000 20,000 after 18,010 1,989 19,999 If a running unit is parted out: Functional Disabled Total before 18,000 2,000 20,000 after 18,009 1,990 19,999 What am I missing here? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53868	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Dale Smith wrote: > > Dave, > > The only problem with your math is that it assumes that each of these 10 > people need only one part to get their unit running and that they get > that part. Ok, cut the point made by 50%, and it still shows that you end up with more functional cars and engine than keeping the one donor in one piece. And it makes 5 people happy to boot. > It falls apart if they need more than one part and don't get > both. It diminishes the impact of my point, but it does not refute it. > You could end up with 10 people closer to a running locomotive, > but still short 1 or more parts. Ok, so 2 people part out two units enabling 5 people to get their dysfunctional units running. the logic still shows a gain. > That means 1 less running locomotive, without the 10 more. Temporarily only, unless you assume most part buyers give up before getting all parts necessary. > Even if a person needs more than one part and gets > those parts, it is not one new running locomotive for each part either, > but one for 2 or three parts. Ok, taking my ten parts per locomotive premise, that means one dead donor loco provides for 2 or 3 living ones. It is still giving more life than it is loosing. > Furthermore, on EBay, the likelihood of > winning more than one needed part is not that good if there is spirited > bidding. Your position then, is that we have a bunch of S gauge enthusiasts, buying one part, and then abandoning the project because they can't catch a bargain on Ebay for another missing part? > The problem here is the ethics of it. I think you need a course in ethics then. As much as we may love our trains, they are inanimate objects. The seller of parts is not harmed, the buyer is not harmed, both in fact benefit. Long live the free market. Only bystanders who grieve for the donor loco, but seem to feel nothing for the lucky recipient engines given new life. > Granted they are free to do with > it what they want, but seeing a like new northern sold for parts is > really sad, and I have seen that happen on EBay. And, what strikes you as sad, is therefore unethical? > There is just something wrong about a healthy > locomotive giving up its vital organs. Even to give new life to 2 or 3 or 10? Sorry, I can't understand your math or your ethics. but we all have different opinions, I don't mean to offend, just feel it makes sense to speak for the other side of things. Dave W. > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the > > word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down > > into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, > > how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's > > railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 > > functional. Here is the summary and the answer: > > > > If a disabled unit is parted out: > > Functional Disabled Total > > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > > after 18,010 1,989 19,999 > > > > If a running unit is parted out: > > Functional Disabled Total > > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > > after 18,009 1,990 19,999 > > > > What am I missing here?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53869	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Curving Gargraves

- Greetings - Mr. Winslow (I think it was.) asked about curving Gargraves stainless flex(?)track. Yes, some days it does not flex well. Here and there in the shop and in the rest of the house I have circular items including a small table. a 4' round table top, end from a small cable reel, remnant from some device made for my son, as well as sectors of larger radii. Of the latter, one or two were cut specifically for track work. Protected by a towel and covert operation, good furniture may be used as a pattern for bending the flex track. Don't forget the variety of wheel diameters found on discarded bicycles. Regard the bent wheels with respect; you may want a curve and grade. On some trackage here I have separated the ties by about 2", inserted bare stranded wire, 18 or 20 gauge. into the inner folds of the Gargraves rails, and pushed the ties back in place. Presto, power feeds to that section. BTW, I matched SHS flex track, height of 0.270", installed on cork roadbed, height of 0.200", with Gargraves flex track, height of 0.445", installed atop hard-pressed cardboard from a Yuengling 12-pack of bottled beer, height of 0.025". Each side of the junction totaled 0.470". [Your brand may vary.] CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53870	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

The LANIERs wrote: > > > > What you are missing is that another completely original loco is gone > forever. Not at all. Did you even look at the numbers? > Some of us still care about that. And why did it happen? So > someone could make some extra money selling parts that could have been > taken from a junker loco instead. You are looking no farther than some guy's profit. the other end, illustrated by my point, and my numbers, is that beyond this seller's extra money are multiple happy restorers, and more more running trains. If there were lots of junker loco donors around, there would be no profit in making an complete originals into one. So says the market, not me. > paflyrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Winslow > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Selling off parts > > Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the > > parts. > > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, > > running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than > > what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have > > sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too > > much missing to rebuild. > > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way > > parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New > > York... > > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. > > No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the > word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down > into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, > how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's > railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 > functional. Here is the summary and the answer: > > If a disabled unit is parted out: > Functional Disabled Total > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > after 18,010 1,989 19,999 > > If a running unit is parted out: > Functional Disabled Total > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > after 18,009 1,990 19,999 > > What am I missing here?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53871	From: G C	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Junkers

While I agree, it isn't a good practice to tear down a perfectly good and rare locomotive, in all this talk about people selling off locomotives in pieces, a few talk about rebuilding locomotives from junkers. In my experience, when I go to shows and ask if anyone has any junkers for sale, they look at me and say they do, but they didn't bring them to the show. Just where does someone who wants to rebuild or bash get said junkers? Apparently the guys who sell don't want to sell said junkers as they save them to rebuild other stuff and sell it. Where are those mystery boxes that are hidden under the table with what I need. I sure can't find them. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53872	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Unfortunately the calculation doesn't work out because usually all the parts don't sell. The boiler is usually left, chassis may not sell and in fact the greedy dealer may ask too much for everything with only the odd part actually selling. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Winslow Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Selling off parts Stumpy Stone wrote: > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the > parts. > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, > running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than > what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have > sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too > much missing to rebuild. > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way > parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New > York... > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 functional. Here is the summary and the answer: If a disabled unit is parted out: Functional Disabled Total before 18,000 2,000 20,000 after 18,010 1,989 19,999 If a running unit is parted out: Functional Disabled Total before 18,000 2,000 20,000 after 18,009 1,990 19,999 What am I missing here? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53873	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Fw: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Re: B&O Diesel Switcher decal project (HO &

In case any of you folks are interested in B&O switcher decals in S scale, this looks like an opportunity to place an order.  Look below at the emails from Ed Sauers. Greg Klein Baltimore Area American Flyer Club ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: ehsauers1 <ehsauers1@...> To: Baltimore_and_Ohio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:09:55 AM Subject: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Re: B&O Diesel Switcher decal project (HO & S scale & possible O) UPDATE Group, S & O scales orders doing ok but still could use a few more orders, will need more support from the HO scale modelers, so far I only have 15 sets requested. The minumum order is 25. I now have the cost figures, HO $6.50, S $7, and O $8.50 per set plus $2 shipping per order. Thanks for your support. Ed Sauers edsauers@gmail. com --- In Baltimore_and_ Ohio@yahoogroups .com, "ehsauers1" <ehsauers1@. ..> wrote: > > I have completed (with a lot of help from Ed Kirstatter) the artwork for decals to cover most of the B&O DS class diesel switchers with "Baltimore and Ohio" spelled out, this covers B&O Diesel switchers from 1925 to 1956 only. I will be approaching Rail Graphics to produce this decal set so please contact me off list at edsauers@... if you have interest in purchasing any of these decals. I will provide pricing and a scanned copy of what I will be submitting. If interested please be sure to define what scale and how many sets you will be purchasing. The HO scale set will be produced in the minimum quantity required (25 with 7 sets already reserved) unless I get more commitments from the HO community. The O-scale version will only be produced if I receive orders for 25 or more. > > Thanks > Ed Sauers > > edsauers@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53874	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader

Clayton: Sorry for the delay, my job has me out of the country, If you have the parts, condition unimportant, let me know what you want for them, including shipping to eastern PA 18917 Thanks Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from clayton deich <uvl97222@...>: -------------- Bob I'm off to work now, but I know that I have one if you can't get any one else to dig you up one... Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Fri, 3/27/09, romoyer@... <romoyer@...> wrote: > From: romoyer@... <romoyer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 6:48 PM > To All: > > Anyone have the ramp that swivels to unload the car on a > 915/715 auto unloader operating car that they want to part > with? How about the solenoid plunger? I need both. I'm > trying to rescue one from the junk pile. I have stuff to > trade or cash, or a combination of both. Stumpy, whatca got > in the parts box? > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53875	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

G C wrote: > > > > While I agree, it isn't a good practice to tear down a perfectly good > and rare locomotive, in all this talk about people selling off > locomotives in pieces, a few talk about rebuilding locomotives from > junkers. In my experience, when I go to shows and ask if anyone has any > junkers for sale, they look at me and say they do, but they didn't bring > them to the show. Just where does someone who wants to rebuild or bash > get said junkers? Apparently the guys who sell don't want to sell said > junkers as they save them to rebuild other stuff and sell it. As a practical matter, I'll bet there are damn few who would tear down an original engine in good condition, or expect to make money doing it. Beat ones yes, and incomplete ones, and in that case, providing parts for others is a fine use for such a piece. > Where are > those mystery boxes that are hidden under the table with what I need. I > sure can't find them. > > gene cimino Stumpy has them all, he said so!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53876	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Curving Gargraves

Rhett George wrote: > > > > > - Greetings - > > Mr. Winslow (I think it was.) asked about curving Gargraves stainless > flex(?)track. I didn't call it flex track, and I thought that name implied softer brass material. > Yes, some days it does not flex well. Here and there in > the shop and in the rest of the house I have circular items including > a small table. a 4' round table top, end from a small cable reel, remnant > from some device made for my son, as well as sectors of larger radii. > Of the latter, one or two were cut specifically for track work. Protected > by a towel and covert operation, good furniture may be used as a pattern > for bending the flex track. Don't forget the variety of wheel diameters > found on discarded bicycles. Regard the bent wheels with respect; you > may want a curve and grade. > > On some trackage here I have separated the ties by about 2", inserted > bare stranded wire, 18 or 20 gauge. into the inner folds of the Gargraves > rails, and pushed the ties back in place. Presto, power feeds to that > section. I'll see how my dexterity allows for that method. I had assume I could soldier to the rails. Is this not typical? > BTW, I matched SHS flex track, height of 0.270", installed on cork roadbed, > height of 0.200", with Gargraves flex track, height of 0.445", installed > atop hard-pressed cardboard from a Yuengling 12-pack of bottled beer, > height of 0.025". Each side of the junction totaled 0.470". [Your brand > may vary.] Thanks Rhett, great tip, and that part about laying track is good also. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53877	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Alistair McAllister wrote: > > Unfortunately the calculation doesn't work out because usually all the parts > don't sell. The boiler is usually left, chassis may not sell and in fact the > greedy dealer may ask too much for everything with only the odd part > actually selling. Alistair Ok, a parted out engine only sells 8 of the 10 parts on sale. Of those, only 4 complete a project engine, the other 4 only move a project along closer to completion. that gives us one donor lost, 4 engines revitalized, 4 more advanced such that eventual new life is more likely. Still looks like a real good calculation to me, and 9 people, the principles in the dealings, are happy. Those who put no skin in, have no say, that's my kind of ethics. > > Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the > > parts. > > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, > > running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than > > what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have > > sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too > > much missing to rebuild. > > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way > > parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New > > York... > > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. > > No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the > word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down > into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, > how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's > railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 > functional. Here is the summary and the answer: > > If a disabled unit is parted out: > Functional Disabled Total > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > after 18,010 1,989 19,999 > > If a running unit is parted out: > Functional Disabled Total > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > after 18,009 1,990 19,999 > > What am I missing here?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53878	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

David, You make some good points, but remember that not all parts are equal. That is, the most common parts aren't really needed, as they aren't the ones that break or are missing. So your original 10 (or five) parts are even less. But so far, nobody has mentioned the matter of reproduction parts. Personally, I love having them available, as they make it unnecessary to part out an original piece altogether. Your point on having a net gain in running trains is side stepping the matter of one less original piece. The old car hobby has as a saying: "You can restore a car a hundred times, but it can only be original once." I appreciate original items as well as the junk yard dogs. To further refer in the old car hobby, I have been told many times that my 1937 Ford is "ruined" because it's no longer original. But when I got it, nobody else wanted it, and it was too far gone to qualify as a quality original car. So, I did the equivalent of "bashing" it into a street rod that outwardly cannot be distinguished from a restoration. But it performs, handles and stops much better. This has a parallel in our trains of repaints with can motors and modern electronics. Is this wrong? Perhaps to some. A good friend of mine has a running 1935 Ford four door sedan with original paint and 42,000 original miles. Would I street rod this car? Not unless it were damaged enough to require a lot of work. Personal choice. As I (and it seems many others) would never part out an excellent or NIB train item, nor would I part out a good, running Corvette, classic Thunderbird, or Bugatti Royale. Here's where reproduction parts and fabricators come in. Just for fun, take a look at what owners of Tucker automobiles do to keep their cars running. Of the original 51 (or so) over 40 are still presentable, if not restored to an unbelievable level considering they were made over 60 years ago. The market indeed determines that there is profit in parting out a running original item. And even though you are free to do whatever you wish to your possessions, it is sad to do so. Was it sad to hot rod my Ford? Perhaps to some, but as an original car, it was pretty sad looking, and needed "something" to make it presentable. It is now. I, along with many, do not consider ourselves the owners of all we have, but rather just the present caretakers of said items. And don't get me started talking about my 1924 house... Jerry Poniatowski Bashing, restoring, painting and preserving in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: > > The LANIERs wrote: > > > > > > > > What you are missing is that another completely original loco is gone > > forever. > > Not at all. Did you even look at the numbers? > > > Some of us still care about that. And why did it happen? So > > someone could make some extra money selling parts that could have been > > taken from a junker loco instead. > > You are looking no farther than some guy's profit. the other > end, illustrated by my point, and my numbers, is that beyond > this seller's extra money are multiple happy restorers, and > more more running trains. > > If there were lots of junker loco donors around, there would > be no profit in making an complete originals into one. So > says the market, not me. > > > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave Winslow > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Selling off parts > > > > Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > > > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > > > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to sell the > > > parts. > > > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a good, > > > running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than > > > what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the parts have > > > sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there is too > > > much missing to rebuild. > > > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > > > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the normal way > > > parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > > > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > > > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > > > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went to New > > > York... > > > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. > > > > No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the > > word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down > > into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, > > how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's > > railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 > > functional. Here is the summary and the answer: > > > > If a disabled unit is parted out: > > Functional Disabled Total > > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > > after 18,010 1,989 19,999 > > > > If a running unit is parted out: > > Functional Disabled Total > > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > > after 18,009 1,990 19,999 > > > > What am I missing here? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53879	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Actually at York, one year, someone had a LN+++++ 21168 that was for sale for 50 dollars because it was missing the metal driver on the wheels. I needed it for a set, as I got it elsewhere. But if someone had a junker 21165 or any engine in that line, that a decent looking metal driver, you had yourself a decent looking engine. Again, it is not to us, to judge what is done with something that is owned by someone else. We might not like it, but it is out of our hands. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53880	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay

It seems the engine tear down for parts thread has been exhausted (or at least should be exhauasted) by now. So what about the guy who takes a near mint rare set and sells each car, engine, transformer, track, box and paper item separately while stating clearly that he broke down the set on purpose? Did one rare set disappear (unless one bidder bought it all) or did several rare sets missing items come back to life? Who won? Who lost????????? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53881	From: Phil K	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay

Breaking down rare sets is not against the law. While others may have a different set of standards, I don't see either of these scenarios (No.2 is breakdown for parts) as unethical, either. I do think breakdown of sets may be contributing to global warming, however. Breaking down rare sets -- such an action actually raises the value of every other intact set with the same set number and components because they become even more rare. So in a way, everyone who owns one comes out ahead. And once sellers of intact rare sets realize what a breakdown buyer can make off a certain set, the value (and selling price) of the set will go up, as will all components. Sometimes we get so involved with our collecting we forget what others do is none of our business and that while owning and operating vintage AF may be a religion for some of us, the engines and cars are not religious artifacts. They're toy trains. Do with them as you wish to get maximum enjoyment. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > It seems the engine tear down for parts thread has been exhausted (or at least should be exhauasted) by now. So what about the guy who takes a near mint rare set and sells each car, engine, transformer, track, box and paper item separately while stating clearly that he broke down the set on purpose? Did one rare set disappear (unless one bidder bought it all) or did several rare sets missing items come back to life? Who won? Who lost????????? > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53882	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Show Calendar Continues

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53883	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay

Or how about the A-B-A "Sets" that are sold piece by piece. I was bidding on three separate Blue & Yellow SF engines.... I won the two A's but not the B unit... The B I finally got for the "SET" was a different shade of blue...Mike Who In a message dated 4/14/2009 5:27:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: It seems the engine tear down for parts thread has been exhausted (or at least should be exhausted) by now. So what about the guy who takes a near mint rare set and sells each car, engine, transformer, track, box and paper item separately while stating clearly that he broke down the set on purpose? Did one rare set disappear (unless one bidder bought it all) or did several rare sets missing items come back to life? Who won? Who lost????????I BG1 **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay

Just like taking a engine apart to sell the parts, we have no control on what someone does with anything they own. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53885	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: 314AW

Good evening ladies and gentleman, A very good friend and Flyer collector just purchased a 314AW in excellant condition. He had one in lesser condition that he let me have for a very good price, with whistle control box. However he does not have, and neither do I, a wiring diagram for the control box. Would someone in the group scan a copy and send to me at mo2337@... it would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53886	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

Unfortunately it is the few who most assuredly do, and regularly at that, that we are talking about. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Winslow Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:24 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junkers G C wrote: As a practical matter, I'll bet there are damn few who would tear down an original engine in good condition, or expect to make money doing it. Beat ones yes, and incomplete ones, and in that case, providing parts for others is a fine use for such a piece. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53887	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Fw: Your C&O ALCO

I have to share this with you all as Steve is converting a C&O AF by Lionel diesel to DCC. I got this set in 1991 and it was sent back to Lionel because it was one of the famous Lionel products that died on many. So, the Lionel repair work was just as bad. Pretty sad. Almost like my AM engine I had to send back. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Boss31@... To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Your C&O ALCO Wow Mike, What a piece of junk this thing was.... I don't know who has worked on it before but the work was very crude. In addition, all four of the nylon/plastic worms were cracked and one of the axle worm gears was cracked and had slid completely off the axle spline. One of the others is still suspect and I won't know until I put it on the track. I have replaced the broken parts and both of the motors with ours. Your motors were all beat up too with sloppy solder joints and dirt. The only thing of any value to me is the reverse unit if it works. The motors are junk. I will return them to you or trash em. Your call... I want you to promise you won't try to see "how many cars this can pull" because it can pull a lot more than the DCC decoder can handle. You put too big a load behind it and the motors will suck the guts out of the decoder. All should be fine with a normal compliment (4-5) of passenger cars behind it. I should have all the mechanical finished tomorrow but have to wait for the road specific sound unit to get here from Jersey to finish it up. Takes about a week to get here and I ordered it today after our phone chat. Later, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53888	From: Scott	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Comcast update from Appalachia

Well.... Its Un-American...(Flyer) ... that is..... :>) From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Comcast update from Appalachia FINALLY...Comcast got the knot out in the string between the two tin cans they use around here and our e-mail and internet service has returned to normal. (fingers crossed) I even found a nice form letter in my e-mail this morning telling me how sorry they were at the interuption of my service, and blamed the trouble on a power outage. This single outage took me out of the game off and on for ten days and to finally get things to work completely right, I had to have my computer buddy come up here and iron out some details with one of their techies on the phone. Ain't technology grand? But now I'm "back among the living" and can clear up the backlog of over a hundred e-mails! So if you're waiting on an answer to a message you sent, don't dispare, you'll hear from me soon. Oh, and if you don't understand the reference to "two tin cans and a string" just ask someone old enough to remember doing this as a kid...like someone at least 60! ;-) Stumpy Stone...Oh what a relief it is...eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53889	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay

Guys and Gal.... I too hate it with a passion to see a nice set broken up.... I refuse to even bid on the stuff..... Maybe I should start breaking up sets too  ????? .... I have a set I am going to sell soon... suggetions on the best way to do it !!!!!! ITEM 21910/21910-1/21910-2 SF PA/PB/PA FREIGHT SET LN WITH ALL BOXES, WHISTLE, AND SHIPPING BOX - SET REALLY SHARP   Listing #1 All items kept together!!!!! 1 set!!! since 1958/59   Listing #2 All items seperate 1. shipping container for 3 locos and whistle 2. 21910 PA unit 3. 21901-1 PB 4. 21910 PA-2 Dummy 5. 21910 PA unit original box 6. 21901-1 PB unit original box 7. 21910 PA-2 Dummy original box 8. Original whistle controller 9. Original whistle controller box 10. Original whistle button 11. Original brown paper box space filler   Any ideas on how much #1 vs #2 would bring.... Difference????   Really I won't break them up........ Just funnin!!!!!   PS Stumpy.... I have an Atlantic boiler front, plastic, cut off another engine.... Cab cut off another boiler.... Several smaller boiler pieces..... cowcatcher.... NEED THEM!!!!!! Bob --- On Tue, 4/14/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 8:51 PM Or how about the A-B-A "Sets" that are sold piece by piece. I was bidding on three separate Blue & Yellow SF engines.... I won the two A's but not the B unit... The B I finally got for the "SET" was a different shade of blue...Mike Who In a message dated 4/14/2009 5:27:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@ yahoo.com writes: It seems the engine tear down for parts thread has been exhausted (or at least should be exhausted) by now. So what about the guy who takes a near mint rare set and sells each car, engine, transformer, track, box and paper item separately while stating clearly that he broke down the set on purpose? Did one rare set disappear (unless one bidder bought it all) or did several rare sets missing items come back to life? Who won? Who lost???????? I BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53890	From: John	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Your C&O ALCO

Oh come on Steve..... Mike wants to see those diesels smoke like the REAL ones!! <big grin> And we can ohhh and ahhhh at how well it smokes...... from his pictures.... lol John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Boss31@... > To: mlmarmer@... > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:11 PM > Subject: Your C&O ALCO > > > Wow Mike, <some deleted> > I want you to promise you won't try to see "how many cars this can pull" > because it can pull a lot more than the DCC decoder can handle. You put > too big a load behind it and the motors will suck the guts out of the > decoder. All should be fine with a normal compliment (4-5) of passenger > cars behind it. <some deleted> > Later, > > Steve >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53891	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Your C&O ALCO

LOL John, In my mind, these diesels do not smoke, since that is how they come to us as "toys". Now why does not someone put in a smoke unit for these diesels. LOL Hey, I am going to add a smoke unit that Micro Mark has for my PLasticville RR Station. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Your C&O ALCO Oh come on Steve..... Mike wants to see those diesels smoke like the REAL ones!! <big grin> And we can ohhh and ahhhh at how well it smokes...... from his pictures.... lol John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Boss31@... > To: mlmarmer@... > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:11 PM > Subject: Your C&O ALCO > > > Wow Mike, <some deleted> > I want you to promise you won't try to see "how many cars this can pull" > because it can pull a lot more than the DCC decoder can handle. You put > too big a load behind it and the motors will suck the guts out of the > decoder. All should be fine with a normal compliment (4-5) of passenger > cars behind it. <some deleted> > Later, > > Steve > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53892	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Hello How soon do you need your wiring diagram? I do have it, but I just moved so I will have to find where I put it? Thanks. Rich ________________________________ From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> To: s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:06:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW Good evening ladies and gentleman, A very good friend and Flyer collector just purchased a 314AW in excellant condition. He had one in lesser condition that he let me have for a very good price, with whistle control box. However he does not have, and neither do I, a wiring diagram for the control box. Would someone in the group scan a copy and send to me at mo2337@... it would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance, Larry Moore ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive. com/RediscoverHo tmail?ocid= TXT_TAGLM_ WL_HM_Rediscover _Mobile1_ 042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53893	From: teeb_1	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Larry, Look in Files under 314AW Whistle in Tender. Should be everything you need. Nice to think another 314AW will be up and running soon. Steve However he does not have, and neither do I, a wiring diagram for the control box. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53894	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Thanks to Steve and the other replys on the 314AW wiring diagram, exactly what I needed. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: louavul@... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:22:01 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW Larry, Look in Files under 314AW Whistle in Tender. Should be everything you need. Nice to think another 314AW will be up and running soon. Steve However he does not have, and neither do I, a wiring diagram for the control box. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53895	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Selling off parts

Jerry Poniatowski wrote: > > David, > > You make some good points, but remember that not all parts are equal. > That is, the most common parts aren't really needed, as they aren't the > ones that break or are missing. So your original 10 (or five) parts are > even less. But so far, nobody has mentioned the matter of reproduction > parts. Personally, I love having them available, as they make it > unnecessary to part out an original piece altogether. Your point on > having a net gain in running trains is side stepping the matter of one > less original piece. The old car hobby has as a saying: "You can restore > a car a hundred times, but it can only be original once." I appreciate > original items as well as the junk yard dogs. To further refer in the > old car hobby, I have been told many times that my 1937 Ford is "ruined" > because it's no longer original. But when I got it, nobody else wanted > it, and it was too far gone to qualify as a quality original car. So, I > did the equivalent of "bashing" it into a street rod that outwardly > cannot be distinguished from a restoration. But it performs, handles and > stops much better. This has a parallel in our trains of repaints with > can motors and modern electronics. Is this wrong? Perhaps to some. A > good friend of mine has a running 1935 Ford four door sedan with > original paint and 42,000 original miles. Would I street rod this car? > Not unless it were damaged enough to require a lot of work. Personal > choice. All very well put in my opinion Jerry, can't argue with a thing. > As I (and it seems many others) would never part out an excellent or NIB > train item, nor would I part out a good, running Corvette, classic > Thunderbird, or Bugatti Royale. Here's where reproduction parts and > fabricators come in. Just for fun, take a look at what owners of Tucker > automobiles do to keep their cars running. Of the original 51 (or so) > over 40 are still presentable, if not restored to an unbelievable level > considering they were made over 60 years ago. My argument has not been to disrespect original trains or cars, or diminish their value. I can't imagine why anyone would part out one of them that was in decent shape, and I don't believe the market would bring a profit from doing so, particularly an NIB. In fact, I don't know that anyone has shown that anyone has done anything like that, the complaints seem to be stemming from Ebay items and a whole lot of assumptions about the originality or completeness or condition of the item being parted out. My assumption is that the items parted out that actually get sold, make it worthwhile to the seller, because the donor is NOT in good running and complete and original condition. > The market indeed determines that there is profit in > parting out a running original item. And even though > you are free to do whatever you wish to your possessions, > it is sad to do so. Sad to think of one lost, but happy to see others restored to useful fun. > Was it sad to hot rod my Ford? Perhaps to some, but as > an original car, it was pretty sad looking, and needed > "something" to make it presentable. It is now. Many people see prices and other market forces as disconnected from value and inexplicable. This lack of vision is what causes people to speak of greed, as if we were not all looking to get more than we give in a market transaction. I recognize the free market as the ultimate resource distribution and utilization system. One gets more for parts because there is more demand for them, more need, and parting things out then provides a great service. > I, along with many, do not consider ourselves the owners > of all we have, but rather just the present caretakers > of said items. You can think that way with your stuff, and others can think differently about theirs. Tolerance and property rights are perfectly compatible. > And don't get me started talking about my 1924 house... I know all about those, speaking of which, I really hate to see old homes and barns destroyed through negligence or conversion to apartments etc.. But the market balances itself always, and so many old homes remain, the best of them, valued all the more. And many who can not afford to own one, can live in an apartment conversion. All is as it should be. Dave W. > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: > > > > The LANIERs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What you are missing is that another completely original loco is gone > > > forever. > > > > Not at all. Did you even look at the numbers? > > > > > Some of us still care about that. And why did it happen? So > > > someone could make some extra money selling parts that could have been > > > taken from a junker loco instead. > > > > You are looking no farther than some guy's profit. the other > > end, illustrated by my point, and my numbers, is that beyond > > this seller's extra money are multiple happy restorers, and > > more more running trains. > > > > If there were lots of junker loco donors around, there would > > be no profit in making an complete originals into one. So > > says the market, not me. > > > > > > > paflyrman > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dave Winslow > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Selling off parts > > > > > > Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > > > > > > Again, Alistair is right...this was only about taking the "chop shop" > > > > approach to parts...taking a good, complete item apart just to > sell the > > > > parts. > > > > But eBay is full of these vultures! I know a guy who broke down a > good, > > > > running #343 0-8-0 for parts because it was worth more in pieces than > > > > what Greenberg said it was worth! Sadly, only about half the > parts have > > > > sold in five years and this engine is gone forever as now there > is too > > > > much missing to rebuild. > > > > In my many years of junk box trolling, Steve's many years of repair, > > > > etc, etc, there are going to be parts left over. This is the > normal way > > > > parts become availible. And there are plenty of these around. > > > > Lord knows, I'll eventually have to sell off much the junk I've > > > > accumulated someday before I'm buried under it! > > > > I guess ethics have vanished with all the bailout money that went > to New > > > > York... > > > > Stumpy Stone...old fashioned in Appalachia. > > > > > > No one is doing the math here, or the logic. Here is the > > > word problem: If a complete car or engine is broken down > > > into 10 parts, which are then sold to 10 different people, > > > how many more or less cars/engine are rolling on someone's > > > railroad? Assume there are 20,000 cars/engines, 18,000 > > > functional. Here is the summary and the answer: > > > > > > If a disabled unit is parted out: > > > Functional Disabled Total > > > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > > > after 18,010 1,989 19,999 > > > > > > If a running unit is parted out: > > > Functional Disabled Total > > > before 18,000 2,000 20,000 > > > after 18,009 1,990 19,999 > > > > > > What am I missing here?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53896	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking Down Rare Sets on eBay

Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > > > It seems the engine tear down for parts thread has been exhausted (or at > least should be exhauasted) by now. So what about the guy who takes a > near mint rare set and sells each car, engine, transformer, track, box > and paper item separately while stating clearly that he broke down the > set on purpose? Did one rare set disappear (unless one bidder bought it > all) or did several rare sets missing items come back to life? Who won? > Who lost????????? > > BG1 Exactly the right question in my opinion, or how many won vs, the number who lost. Everyone who collects or operates or rebuilds trains, has different needs or desires. In some cases, a person lusts after a complete engine or set, in more cases, it is a part to complete an engine or set. The market provides all of the above, per supply and demand, which determines the general price range. If one can get more for parts, it is because there is greater demand for parts, and the sellers greed has very little to do with anything. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53897	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

Alistair McAllister wrote: First, the last 5 lines attributed to G C, were written by me. Secondly, how do you know so assuredly? > > > > Unfortunately it is the few who most assuredly do, and regularly at that, > that we are talking about. Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf > Of Dave Winslow > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:24 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junkers > > G C wrote: > As a practical matter, I'll bet there are damn few who would > tear down an original engine in good condition, or expect to > make money doing it. Beat ones yes, and incomplete ones, and > in that case, providing parts for others is a fine use for > such a piece.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53898	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Parting Out A Franklin?

For those of you wondering what the recent thread about selling complete engines as parts was all about, check out eBay listings #120404103971 and #350188662026, a complete Franklin shell and chassis assembly. I contacted the seller, asking him why he didn't just list the engine as one offering. Here is checkmate1962's response, "BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO!!!!! THAT SIMPLE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!!!" Maybe someone else had already contacted him about it, I don't know, but he was certainly in a testy mood by the time he got back to me! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53899	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: using Credit Card for purchases

I mentioned that I made a purchase of some O scale grandstands that I was going to use for the ballpark. I got these at a train show in Timonion, MD in January. When I got home I saw that he had on his website, S grandstands. So on March 5, I sent them back for exchanged, as I emailed him before sending them back. No answer. Weeks went by, no returned grandstands, as emails went unanswered. So today, I called my credit card company, told them exactly what happen and they instantly gave me a credit for 60 on my card. even if they went out of business they told me, I am protected. So, using a credit card for normal purchases to pay off each month is a good thing. Plus I get 1% back which is nice. Now, I will make my own stands, as I have all the measurements down, a place to get the wood and it will probably cost much less. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53900	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Larry, let us all know what you think of the whistle when it's running. Clayton Milwaukie OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53901	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

Just look at enough listings from people with huge numbers of sales and you will see. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Winslow Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junkers Alistair McAllister wrote: First, the last 5 lines attributed to G C, were written by me. Secondly, how do you know so assuredly? > > > > Unfortunately it is the few who most assuredly do, and regularly at that, > that we are talking about. Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf > Of Dave Winslow > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:24 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junkers > > G C wrote: > As a practical matter, I'll bet there are damn few who would > tear down an original engine in good condition, or expect to > make money doing it. Beat ones yes, and incomplete ones, and > in that case, providing parts for others is a fine use for > such a piece. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53902	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Parting Out

For all your information, we have several Steam locos in various stages of complete. Some complete with no tender and some tenders with no loco, etc. etc. If anyone is looking for something special (NOT RARE) check with me. Also tons of parts from wheels to armatures and fields, shells, valve gear, pilots, trucks, etc. etc. Can be emailed at _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 04/15/2009 5:14:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: For those of you wondering what the recent thread about selling complete engines as parts was all about, check out eBay listings #120404103971 and #350188662026, a complete Franklin shell and chassis assembly. I contacted the seller, asking him why he didn't just list the engine as one offering. Here is checkmate1962'I contacted the seller, asking him why he didn't just list the engine as one offering.I Maybe someone else had already contacted him about it, I don't know, but he was certainly in a testy mood by the time he got back to me! Jim E. **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53903	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: American Flyer Price Guides?

I am going to York for the first time since 2007 and wondering how much should I expect to pay for the trains I am looking for? My newest price guide is the Big American Flyer Standard Price Guide book that came out a couple years ago, in which prices seem to be too low. I have the original TM book from 2000, and the Greenberg book from 2000. Which has the most accurate prices? Should I buy a copy of the 2004 TM price guide, or pick up a copy of the 2009 Greenberg book? Prices look pretty low on eBay and I am not sure which book to use as a guide. Does the group have any opinions on which price guide is closest to what I might have to pay? Thanks in advance! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53904	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Clayton, I got the wiring diagram. The control box I got with the unit had one to many wires coming out of it. I removed the control box cover to check the wiring, and found a real mess. I do know that my friend purchased this control off of Ebay. From what I can tell by comparing the internal wiring schematic, it is wired wrong not to mention the extra wire. Steve, in the wiring directions he posted in our files section, tells how to upgrade with modern components. I went to Radio Shack to find the diode and the capacitor. The 4002 diode is only sold in a pack of assorted diodes and they did not have a 400uf capacitor, and nothing in the 500-700 range either. Does anybody have any other ideas of a source for these items. I looked on All Electronics website and the diode is only available in a pack of ten and I did not see a capacitor on their site, that was big enough. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: uvl97222@... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:39:02 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW Larry, let us all know what you think of the whistle when it's running. Clayton Milwaukie OR _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53905	From: Coopers	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought

Hi Saw your message. You might try Bruce Greenberg - may be able to provide for you. brucegreenberg@... Good Lick! Best Regards, Art ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] lay out book sought back in the 1970's I remember seeing a book with different layouts showing just track no scenery. and it had what track you needed if you wante S ( that is us hear ) and 0 an d H0. But I have not seen it lately. I say it in the library and checking libraries I go to I am coming up with nothing. Any one recall such a book. not sure Carstens of Kalmbach but it is not ont the web site I checked. any assistance appreciated Mike in glorous Park City [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53906	From: G C	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

That is obviously correct Alistar, I never made the statement you did. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53907	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Larry, which control do you have? The one that is black & looks like a #1 transformer with toggle switch? Or the Metal box that has a Vacuume tube in it & plugs into a 120V outlet? Mike In a message dated 4/15/2009 5:28:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mo2337@... writes: Clayton, I got the wiring diagram. The control box I got with the unit had one to many wires coming out of it. I removed the control box cover to check the wiring, and found a real mess. I do know that my friend purchased this control off of Embay. From what I can tell by comparing the internal wiring schematic, it is wired wrong not to mention the extra wire. Steve, in the wiring directions he posted in our files section, tells how to upgrade with modern components. I went to Radio Shack to find the diode and the capacitor. The 4002 diode is only sold in a pack of assorted diodes and they did not have a 400uf capacitor, and nothing in the 500-700 range either. Does anybody have any other ideas of a source for these items. I looked on All Electronics website and the diode is only available in a pack of ten and I did not see a capacitor on their site, that was big enough. Thanks, Larry To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _uvl97222@..._ (mailto:uvl97222@...) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:39:02 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW Larry, let us all know what you think of the whistle when it's running. Clayton Milwaukie OR __________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. _http://windowslive.http://windowslihttp://windhttp://winhttp://windowslihtt p://winhttp:/_ (http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53908	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: 4-B Transformer

I have a friend who is selling a 4B transformer, but it is a metal case version. I need a extra 100W transformer, as I believe the 4B is 100 watt. Is this version okay to use for accessories? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53909	From: marcella14612	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: S-Gauge American Models? Baby Ruth Billboard Reefer

I recently bought a 'Baby Ruth' S-Gauge billboard reefer, which was described as made by American Models, on eBay. The car appears to be a wooden car with printed cardboard sides, glued on cast door hinges and latch, what looks like wooden catwalk and roof stiffeners, wood panel around cast ice hatches, metal ladders at right hand end of sides, and American Flyer trucks screwed into the wood base or chassis. There is no under-chassis detail. The ends are vertical slotted wood, and both the ends and top are painted brown. The car appears to be professionally made and I'm pleased with it's appearance. I'm just curious as to it's pedigree. I'm not familiar with the early American Models cars and don't know whether this is how they started, or whether this is some other brand of kit car. Thanks for your help. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53910	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Try Jameco, Mouser or Digikey   Bill Drake St Louis in the '60's --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 7:25 PM Clayton, I got the wiring diagram. The control box I got with the unit had one to many wires coming out of it. I removed the control box cover to check the wiring, and found a real mess. I do know that my friend purchased this control off of Ebay. From what I can tell by comparing the internal wiring schematic, it is wired wrong not to mention the extra wire. Steve, in the wiring directions he posted in our files section, tells how to upgrade with modern components. I went to Radio Shack to find the diode and the capacitor. The 4002 diode is only sold in a pack of assorted diodes and they did not have a 400uf capacitor, and nothing in the 500-700 range either. Does anybody have any other ideas of a source for these items. I looked on All Electronics website and the diode is only available in a pack of ten and I did not see a capacitor on their site, that was big enough. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com From: uvl97222@yahoo. com Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:39:02 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW Larry, let us all know what you think of the whistle when it's running. Clayton Milwaukie OR ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive. com/RediscoverHo tmail?ocid= TXT_TAGLM_ WL_HM_Rediscover _Storage1_ 042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53911	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: SELLING OF PARTS ETC

Here is the answer to the question I asked the guy about the Franklin.This will answer the question as to weather or not a person would part out a LN engine: Dear anormal101, Because this is what i do!! i sell engine parts!!! NOT whole engines, i will part out a C-8 boxed engine!!!! with no problem, and very simple there are guys out the need the shell and guys that need the motor and the tender will be going on in a separate auction, ask your self this question why do sellers sell engines without the tenders when they should be sold as a pair, they where bought as a matching pair way back, there is a good market for good high quality parts, i don't do ebay for King & Country. hope that answers your question, checkmate1962 **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53912	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: S-Gauge American Models? Baby Ruth Billboard Reefer

Dear Roger, Ron used to sell Gloor Craft S scale 40' wooden reefer kits. I am assuming that you Baby Ruth car is one of these built up. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53913	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides?

Both TM Guides are too old.  The only thing I see people using at shows is the Greenberg pocket Guide.  I haven't met anyone who believes the prices in Doyle's book. --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Price Guides? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 4:59 PM I am going to York for the first time since 2007 and wondering how much should I expect to pay for the trains I am looking for? My newest price guide is the Big American Flyer Standard Price Guide book that came out a couple years ago, in which prices seem to be too low. I have the original TM book from 2000, and the Greenberg book from 2000. Which has the most accurate prices? Should I buy a copy of the 2004 TM price guide, or pick up a copy of the 2009 Greenberg book? Prices look pretty low on eBay and I am not sure which book to use as a guide. Does the group have any opinions on which price guide is closest to what I might have to pay? Thanks in advance! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyert rains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC HELP

I am going to pick up a 20+ year old wooden Radio Controlled Sailing Ship tomorrow. Approx 24" long... Anyone on this list that has knowledge of these please contact me off list _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53915	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/15/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer

Dear Mike, To my Knowledge the 4-B transformers ( I have the grey metal case version 1952 0 and the black vrsion was also metal. That was the  transformer that came in my set  #5206W which had the K-325 Hudson and it made it puff smoke, but the Lone Star Flyer Club I belong to uses Dual control transformers so I run it there and get better smoke output. Yea I am from Fort Worth, Texas.                                                    Thanks,                                                   Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53916	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

Alistair McAllister wrote: > > Just look at enough listings from people with huge numbers of sales and you > will see. Alistair Just as I suspected, you don't know. Large sale numbers, or parts that would seem to come from one item, do not indicate that the "original engine in good condition". You have NO WAT of knowing such a thing. I see no sense in your remark at all, the larger your hypothetical sales of good working items, the more time is required tearing things down, the more overhead of keeping track of inventory, the more the unwanted parts accumulate. Doesn't sound like a workable business plan to me, On the other hand, parting out heavily discounted items, due to poor condition, inoperability, or low demand, makes perfect sense. Your "look at enough listings" can not distinguish between the two.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53917	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer

Thanks Alan, as I am not going to use it to run trains, just for accessories. Should be okay for accessories anyone? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lambert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-B Transformer Dear Mike, To my Knowledge the 4-B transformers ( I have the grey metal case version 1952 0 and the black vrsion was also metal. That was the transformer that came in my set #5206W which had the K-325 Hudson and it made it puff smoke, but the Lone Star Flyer Club I belong to uses Dual control transformers so I run it there and get better smoke output. Yea I am from Fort Worth, Texas. Thanks, Alan Lambert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53918	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Your C&O ALCO

We have diesels that run on our club layout, at shows, that belch black smooke as they roll down the tracks,using owner-installed Seuthe smoke units. Impressive! Doug Peck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53919	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Mike, Mine does not have the tube or plug in. It is the 1st one you described. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53920	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer

Yes, Mike. Mike In a message dated 4/16/2009 5:41:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Thanks Alan, as I am not going to use it to run trains, just for accessories. Should be okay for accessories anyone? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lambert To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-B Transformer Dear Mike, To my Knowledge the 4-B transformers ( I have the grey metal case version 1952 0 and the black vrsion was also metal. That was the transformer that came in my set #5206W which had the K-325 Hudson and it made it puff smoke, but the Lone Star Flyer Club I belong to uses Dual control transformers so I run it there and get better smoke output. Yea I am from Fort Worth, Texas. Thanks, Alan Lambert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53921	From: teeb_1	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Any general purpose rectifier will do. I mentioned 1N4002 as that's what I had on hand and used when I "fixed" my box. I believe Radio Shack has 1N4001 in a two pack for $.99. 1N4002 has a peak inverse voltage (PIV) rating of 100V, 1N4001's is 50V. The peak voltage in a 15V AC signal is on the order of 21V so 1N4001 is more than adequate (both have a current rating of 1 amp). All Electronics has all manner of capacitors, see http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/140100/Capacitors/Radial-Electrolytic/1.html. Radio Shack also has them but they have to be ordered (see http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102506). However, shipping charges make onesies purchases expensive. A local eletronics parts house would probably be a better source. I don't know what the minimum DC voltage is to pull in the relay. I remember playing with it but can't recall where it came in. To get an estimate try operating it in turn with 1, 2, 3, etc. flash light type batteries in series. That'll tell you within 1.5 volts. I do recall that mine operated when hooked to a 9V battery. Steve I went to Radio Shack to find the diode and the capacitor. The 4002 diode is only sold in a pack of assorted diodes and they did not have a 400uf capacitor, and nothing in the 500-700 range either. Does anybody have any other ideas of a source for these items. I looked on All Electronics website and the diode is only available in a pack of ten and I did not see a capacitor on their site, that was big enough. Thanks, Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53922	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Part Needed for 715/915 auto unloader

Bob/Clayton: In my hunt for coils while developing A.C.Gilbert's Postwar American Flyer S-Gauge Reference Manual, I bought a 715 fragment from Bob Tufts. The fragment consisted of the ramp, ramp mounting base/subframe and complete solenoid assembly. The solenoid was burned out and partially detached from the subframe (but what the heck? All the wire and tape was there so I was able to use it in the book). I just found the ramp subassembly (together with its 'solenoid' and spring), and I have the coil (which I rewound to its original specs, and stuck in a display box which I used for table decoration at York). If Clayton can't locate his piece or you can't find one in the interim, this might be a possible solution to your quest. I can't promise immediate availability but I can promise an honest effort at making the ramp functional again. The problem is, this is the first and only sample I've seen/had, so I don't know if some other critical part is missing. I know a solenoid stop tab is snapped off UNDER the ramp (the stop tab at the edge of the base/subframe is there, but has been closed down into the hole from which it was stamped. Anyway, it's something to keep in mind if your hunt proves fruitless. Bob Hannon 410-531-3244 hannon@... http://www.trainrefs.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53923	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Parting Out A Franklin?

Jim, I have more then 3 Franklins in the junk pile that could use some parts. The trains have been hacked up by some one. I think he or she wanted to make some other type of train not made by AF. There they sit on my bench. Do I care - not at all. Am I selling them - no. Clayton --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: > From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Parting Out A Franklin? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 12:02 PM > For those of you wondering what the recent thread about > selling complete engines as parts was all about, check out > eBay listings #120404103971 and #350188662026, a complete > Franklin shell and chassis assembly. > > I contacted the seller, asking him why he didn't just > list the engine as one offering. Here is > checkmate1962's response, "BECAUSE I DIDN'T > WANT TO!!!!! THAT SIMPLE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR > QUESTION!!!!" > > Maybe someone else had already contacted him about it, I > don't know, but he was certainly in a testy mood by the > time he got back to me! > Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53924	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

I consider this to be a flaming reply to my posting especially in light of the reply received by anormal101 from one "parter" that vindicates my statement. There is another\ two big dealer with the same philosophy whom I do not wish to name as I do business with them on complete items as I do not wish to encourage their parting policies and I do not wish to be placed on their blacklist. Please be less vicious with your comments in future. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Winslow Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Junkers Alistair McAllister wrote: > > Just look at enough listings from people with huge numbers of sales and you > will see. Alistair Just as I suspected, you don't know. Large sale numbers, or parts that would seem to come from one item, do not indicate that the "original engine in good condition". You have NO WAT of knowing such a thing. I see no sense in your remark at all, the larger your hypothetical sales of good working items, the more time is required tearing things down, the more overhead of keeping track of inventory, the more the unwanted parts accumulate. Doesn't sound like a workable business plan to me, On the other hand, parting out heavily discounted items, due to poor condition, inoperability, or low demand, makes perfect sense. Your "look at enough listings" can not distinguish between the two. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53925	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

If I could buy only one, which would be the better choice and why?  Durability, reliability, features, looks, realism, resale value, ... Or would it be better to buy S-Helper or American Models?  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53926	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

Robert, Considering just the Mike or Pacific, the Mike has the performance edge due to the too tall gearing of the Pacific. They did not change the gearing to compensate for the larger drivers on the Pacific so the low speed performance is not what is should be. Tough call otherwise on the others. All are great locos in their own right. I might lean towards the AM Northern as it is an awesome puller. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:41 AM To: s-trains@... Subject: [S-Trains] Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? If I could buy only one, which would be the better choice and why?  Durability, reliability, features, looks, realism, resale value, ... Or would it be better to buy S-Helper or American Models?  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53927	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides [S-Trains] Digest Number 4436

Chuck, With admittedly some bias, here is my "take", given that I am responsible for the TM guides: 1. The prices in the 2004 edition of the TM American Flyer guide are roughly 10% too high (except for many of the more desirable trains) at this time on the average, which is within transaction variances. The prices in the 2nd edition actually went through a period in which they were too low because of the economic cycle. The TM guide is totally devoted to American Flyer, which is a plus if AF is your prime interest. Info is included on variations, sets, set contents, rarity, and paper, which is not to be found anywhere else in a convenient pocket format. Lionel Flyer production from the last 4 years is missing. $10 plus shipping ($2) from TM will get you both editions as a package, which is less than the current 2009 Kalmbach edition, and the pictures in the 1st edition are included. 2. Kalmbach/Greenberg's prices have been rising to meet our's, but they are still somewhat low overall and on the average. The bulk of the book is devoted to trains other than AF, which is fine if one's interests emphasize AM and SHS. Few variations, no sets, no rarity ratings, and a rather limited paper listing, but it is pretty much up to date on the latest production. K/G still has more listing errors than TM 2004. What one will likely find frustrating using the 2009 Greenberg guide is that the nicer higher grade more collectible AF often can not be purchased at York for the prices listed therein. 3. Every Flyer fan should own a copy of Doyle's book for the pictures. The prices listed for most of the five digit trains are just plain too low. So buy a copy of Doyle, but not to carry around at a train show. Some folks place some stock in "the bay" for pricing, but the determination of the true condition of pieces is iffy on-line, auctions produce weird spikes and troughs, and you can't put it in your shirt pocket. For what it is worth. ;-) Bob Bubeck Author, TM American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide (2000 and 2004) In a message dated 4/16/2009 12:15:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I am going to York for the first time since 2007 and wondering how much should I expect to pay for the trains I am looking for? My newest price guide is the Big American Flyer Standard Price Guide book that came out a couple years ago, in which prices seem to be too low. I have the original TM book from 2000, and the Greenberg book from 2000. Which has the most accurate prices? Should I buy a copy of the 2004 TM price guide, or pick up a copy of the 2009 Greenberg book? **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53928	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: American Models Northern

I have two American Models Northerns, neither of which will negociate the American Models track. They both get stuck on the curved track. I see on the AM Website that they are supposed to negociate AF 20" track. e-mails to Ron have not been responded to. Has anyone else had this problem?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53929	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides [S-Trains] Digest Number 4436

Thanks for your reply. Another question. The 2000 edition of the TM book which is the one I currently have, says that the prices are the ASKING PRICES at meets, and that you should be able to buy 10% to 20% less. My question is about the 2004 edition and your quote below. When you say that the prices in the 2004 guide are about 10% too high on non desirable trains, are you saying that the asking price is 10% low, so that adding that to the 10% to 20% difference between asking price and selling price, that items should perhaps be purchased at 20% to 30% less than the price listed in the 2004 guide? Or are you saying that the purchase price could be 10% less than that in the guide? I hope I am asking this question clearly... Thanks in advance for the clarification! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! On Apr 16, 2009, at 1:16 PM, RBubeck327@... wrote: > > 1. The prices in the 2004 edition of the TM American Flyer guide are > roughly 10% too high (except for many of the more desirable trains) > at this time > on the average, which is within transaction variances. The prices in > the > 2nd edition actually went through a period in which they were too low > because of the economic cycle. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53930	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

I can currently offer the Flyonel Union Pacific and Southern Mikados for 299.00 plus shipping (add 6% sales tx if in PA). When they are gone, they are gone. Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53931	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

Dave, Alistair is right. I have seen it but I can't give you ebay listing numbers. One example, though, was a Northern and I looked at all the listings and together they made up a complete locomotive. (Shell, chassis, pilot, trailing truck, tender shell, tender chassis, etc.) I suppose that doesn't mean that the unit, even if put back together, would work, but then the seller didn't point out that any of the parts were defective or non-working. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he "knows nothing about trains" and so he doesn't know if the parts are good and doesn't know how to test them. He is just handy with a screwdriver. Now Mike in Oregon, on the other hand, cited a clear example of a Franklin graded as C-7 by the seller being parted out. Further email contact revealed that that seller would part out a boxed item in C-8 condition. He sells parts, not trains. You seem to care a lot about this issue, even to the point of telling me I need a new course in ethics and calling Alistair's comment in essence, senseless. If you want to sell your trains this way or buy from such sellers, that is your right. If this is helps you enjoy the hobby so be it. All I am saying is that because of my personal ethical feelings on this matter, I won't sell that way or buy from such sellers. Dale Smith Dave Winslow wrote: > > > Alistair McAllister wrote: > > > > Just look at enough listings from people with huge numbers of sales > and you > > will see. Alistair > > Just as I suspected, you don't know. Large sale numbers, or > parts that would seem to come from one item, do not indicate > that the "original engine in good condition". You have NO > WAT of knowing such a thing. > > I see no sense in your remark at all, the larger your > hypothetical sales of good working items, the more time is > required tearing things down, the more overhead of keeping > track of inventory, the more the unwanted parts accumulate. > Doesn't sound like a workable business plan to me, On the > other hand, parting out heavily discounted items, due to > poor condition, inoperability, or low demand, makes perfect > sense. Your "look at enough listings" can not distinguish > between the two. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53932	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer

Mike, I have one running the accessories on my layout. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Cc: Thomas Bianculli Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 4-B Transformer I have a friend who is selling a 4B transformer, but it is a metal case version. I need a extra 100W transformer, as I believe the 4B is 100 watt. Is this version okay to use for accessories? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53933	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

I have not looked at a Mikado by flyonel.  I always was happy with my American Flyer 312 which is a Pacific. --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? To: s-trains@... Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:40 AM If I could buy only one, which would be the better choice and why?  Durability, reliability, features, looks, realism, resale value, ... Or would it be better to buy S-Helper or American Models?  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53934	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: 4-B Transformer

any transformer can be used for accessories. and yes the 4B is a 100 watter. I wonder what your main power source is.  Mine it the 8B.  I do not have any need for an accessory transformer.      --- On Wed, 4/15/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-B Transformer To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Thomas Bianculli" <tjbian@...> Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 8:38 PM I have a friend who is selling a 4B transformer, but it is a metal case version. I need a extra 100W transformer, as I believe the 4B is 100 watt. Is this version okay to use for accessories? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53935	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

Alistair McAllister wrote: > > I consider this to be a flaming reply to my posting especially in light of > the reply received by anormal101 from one "parter" that vindicates my > statement. There is another\ two big dealer with the same philosophy whom I > do not wish to name as I do business with them on complete items as I do not > wish to encourage their parting policies and I do not wish to be placed on > their blacklist. Please be less vicious with your comments in future. > Alistair I state my opinion, usually without emotion, and certainly without viciousness. If you see plain talk that way, it is your problem. I would say in fact, accusing another of viciousness for plain talk, is itself a bit vicious.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53936	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

Dale Smith wrote: > > > > Dave, > > Alistair is right. I have seen it but I can't give you ebay listing > numbers. One example, though, was a Northern and I looked at all the > listings and together they made up a complete locomotive. (Shell, > chassis, pilot, trailing truck, tender shell, tender chassis, etc.) I > suppose that doesn't mean that the unit, even if put back together, > would work, but then the seller didn't point out that any of the parts > were defective or non-working. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, > perhaps he "knows nothing about trains" and so he doesn't know if the > parts are good and doesn't know how to test them. He is just handy with > a screwdriver. I can't say, and I didn't say, that it never happens. > Now Mike in Oregon, on the other hand, cited a clear example of a > Franklin graded as C-7 by the seller being parted out. Further email > contact revealed that that seller would part out a boxed item in C-8 > condition. He sells parts, not trains. Yes, it happens, but I don't think a few counter-examples contradict the general comments I have made. > You seem to care a lot about this issue, even to the point of telling me > I need a new course in ethics and calling Alistair's comment in essence, > senseless. Maybe you could tell me just what kind of ethics is it that values models, even those used by the most serious hobbyists, ahead of one who earns a living by honest trading of those models, or their components. what ethic is it is that brings forth the charge of "greed" over one's trading of parts and models? I think what I said about was it made no sense to me. If I put it otherwise, I stand corrected. In all cases, if I am not claiming something to be factual, it is my honest opinion. It may not be pretty, but it is not vicious, or greedy, or intolerant. > If you want to sell your trains this way or buy from such > sellers, that is your right. I have never sold any train, and have never bought any parts. I have responded to this thread, because I have strong moral/economic beliefs. > If this is helps you enjoy the hobby so be it. All > I am saying is that because of my personal ethical > feelings on this matter, I won't sell that way or > buy from such sellers. > > Dale Smith Fair enough Dale. I do not mean to offend, although it happens when I speak my mind clearly. Here is to a great hobbies, and a great group. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53937	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Flyer 354/56 Engine Shell

Greetings! I would like to try to restore a Flyer Silver Bullet. Steve, SnS trains, can provide all the parts except the engine shell. Can anyone help with a restorable shell? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53938	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Northern

My American Models UP Northern negotiates my American Models track complete with crossovers and switches all by AM with no difficulty at all. That situation is very strange. I have all three radii of AM track on my layout as well. Have you done a careful inspection of your joints and gauging? Are the pilot trucks in good shape, etc. etc.? Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 04/16/2009 11:52:49 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, yabo1@... writes: I have two American Models Northerns, neither of which will negociate the American Models track. They both get stuck on the curved track. I see on the AM Website that they are supposed to negociate AF 20" track. e-mails to Ron have not been responded to. Has anyone else had this problem?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53939	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Alternate Circus Set

Last night, while re-reading a portion of the book, "American Flyer, Classic Toy Trains" by Gerry and Janet Souter, I came across a statement in the book making reference to something I had never heard elsewhere. In referring to the 1950 circus locomotive, they said, "This red, bullet shaped locomotive headed up a new "Circus Train," complete with decorated cages on flat cars with their truck transport, a searchlight car to let the rubes know that the circus was in town., and either a decorated Pullman car or a transfer caboose with side stakes to hold baggage or tent poles." (Page 109) I have checked 1950 catalogs and have found only the circus set we all know, with the flatcars, cages and the yellow painted New Haven type passenger car. Has anyone ever heard of the composition spoken of in the book? Actually, the searchlight car is a pretty good idea for an addition to the set. I wouldn't be surprised if the book simply has it wrong, as I found what are probably other errors as well. They mention the supposed "cease and desist" letter from Lionel regarding the 314AW. On that one I personally checked the court records and their never was a case. A "cease and desist" letter is possible, but as someone pointed out, AF made a similar whistle before WWII mounted in a Baggage Car, apparently without complaint from Lionel. Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53940	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Model Train Show to benefit Autism Research

Just wanted to post this so anyone who is in the area can stop in and say hello. Model Train Show to benefit Autism Research Knights of Columbus, Council 3826 will host the Second Annual Model Railroad Exhibition on Saturday and Sunday, April 18 - 19 at St. Mary's Parish Center at the intersection of Routes 9 and 72, Manahawkin, NJ. Show hours are Saturday 10 am to 4 pm and Sunday 10 am to 3 pm. The South Jersey S Gaugers and the Ocean County Society of Model Railroaders will have operating layouts and there will be a rideable steam locomotive in the parking area. The Coast Guard will be giving a boat safety demonstration. There will also be a radio control aircraft display. The event includes door prizes and a Chinese Auction. Admission is $ 5.00 for Adults, $ 3.00 for children over 5 years old, children under 5 are free. Please come by and support this event and stop at the South Jersey S Gaugers layout and say hello. Hank Worrell South Jersey S Gaugers, Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53941	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

Robert, You are asking a complicated question and don¹t give us much information to give you a complete answer. -Are you interested in a particular road name? -Do you want to run freight or passenger or both? -Steam or diesel or both? I have both the Mikado and Pacific Flyonels, and they are both excellent. In terms of detail there is no comparison between them and the original Flyer. The new stuff is far superior in scale like details and in the paint and finish. I will say, however, that for the best performance, both engines work better using the TMCC system. I can¹t speak to resale value, because I have not sold any of my Flyonel stuff. S-Helper¹s equipment is excellent and American Models is very, very good. Both feature excellent looks and overall quality. This quality comes at a price, however. If you just want something to run for not a lot of money, then latch onto an old Flyer in good condition, hook up the transformer and you are ready to rock. Many Flyer-only guys I know disdain the newer electronics found in some Flyonel, S-Helper and American Models. In my opinion, these good and true S folks haven¹t given the new electronics a fair trial, or probably haven¹t tried it at all. There is a bit of a learning curve and that involves change, which most of us shy away from. If you have a chance to attend a large S meet, such as S Fest or the NASG convention there are always plenty of S-Helper, AM, Floyonel, original Flyer and stuff from other manufacturers as well. Seeing them operate up close and personal, you can then judge their relative value. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53942	From: Phil K	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Posts regarding sellers who break down engines for parts

Gang, I think we've exhausted this topic because we've gotten to the stage where things are getting personal. If any of you care to continue it, do it through private emails. Thanks. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53943	From: Phil K	Date: 4/16/2009
Subject: Re: Alternate Circus Set

Dale, what you say is no surprise. The book is rife with errors. For example, there is a photo of a Lionel pre-war M10000 in the book and it is identified as American Flyer. I wrote a review of it in August of 2006: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41211 Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Last night, while re-reading a portion of the book, "American Flyer, > Classic Toy Trains" by Gerry and Janet Souter, I came across a statement > in the book making reference to something I had never heard elsewhere. > > In referring to the 1950 circus locomotive, they said, "This red, bullet > shaped locomotive headed up a new "Circus Train," complete with > decorated cages on flat cars with their truck transport, a searchlight > car to let the rubes know that the circus was in town., and either a > decorated Pullman car or a transfer caboose with side stakes to hold > baggage or tent poles." (Page 109) > > I have checked 1950 catalogs and have found only the circus set we all > know, with the flatcars, cages and the yellow painted New Haven type > passenger car. Has anyone ever heard of the composition spoken of in > the book? Actually, the searchlight car is a pretty good idea for an > addition to the set. > > I wouldn't be surprised if the book simply has it wrong, as I found > what are probably other errors as well. They mention the supposed > "cease and desist" letter from Lionel regarding the 314AW. On that one > I personally checked the court records and their never was a case. A > "cease and desist" letter is possible, but as someone pointed out, AF > made a similar whistle before WWII mounted in a Baggage Car, apparently > without complaint from Lionel. > > Dale Smith >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53944	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Northern

The only time my AM Northern ever stops is when the plug between the tender and loco is making intermittent contact. There is enough articulation with the tighter curves that I have to push the plug together every once in a while. Could this be what you are experiencing? MK -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yabo1@... Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Carl Tuveson Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Northern I have two American Models Northerns, neither of which will negociate the American Models track. They both get stuck on the curved track. I see on the AM Website that they are supposed to negociate AF 20" track. e-mails to Ron have not been responded to. Has anyone else had this problem? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53945	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Alternate Circus Set

Dale-   The only alternative AF Circus equipment I have ever heard of is the flat cars painted red with yellow lettering. I agree that the searchlight car and a car to hold the tent poles and maybe a box car for the tent and other equipment would be a fun addition.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Alternate Circus Set To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:29 PM Last night, while re-reading a portion of the book, "American Flyer, Classic Toy Trains" by Gerry and Janet Souter, I came across a statement in the book making reference to something I had never heard elsewhere. In referring to the 1950 circus locomotive, they said, "This red, bullet shaped locomotive headed up a new "Circus Train," complete with decorated cages on flat cars with their truck transport, a searchlight car to let the rubes know that the circus was in town., and either a decorated Pullman car or a transfer caboose with side stakes to hold baggage or tent poles." (Page 109) I have checked 1950 catalogs and have found only the circus set we all know, with the flatcars, cages and the yellow painted New Haven type passenger car. Has anyone ever heard of the composition spoken of in the book? Actually, the searchlight car is a pretty good idea for an addition to the set. I wouldn't be surprised if the book simply has it wrong, as I found what are probably other errors as well. They mention the supposed "cease and desist" letter from Lionel regarding the 314AW. On that one I personally checked the court records and their never was a case. A "cease and desist" letter is possible, but as someone pointed out, AF made a similar whistle before WWII mounted in a Baggage Car, apparently without complaint from Lionel. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53946	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: American Models Northern

My AM Northern navigates Flyer radius without a hitch. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53947	From: michael prell	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Alternate Circus Set

Bill, Yet another to consider might well be an unloading car. Just a thought. Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Alternate Circus Set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 6:39 AM Dale-   The only alternative AF Circus equipment I have ever heard of is the flat cars painted red with yellow lettering. I agree that the searchlight car and a car to hold the tent poles and maybe a box car for the tent and other equipment would be a fun addition.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Alternate Circus Set To: "S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:29 PM Last night, while re-reading a portion of the book, "American Flyer, Classic Toy Trains" by Gerry and Janet Souter, I came across a statement in the book making reference to something I had never heard elsewhere. In referring to the 1950 circus locomotive, they said, "This red, bullet shaped locomotive headed up a new "Circus Train," complete with decorated cages on flat cars with their truck transport, a searchlight car to let the rubes know that the circus was in town., and either a decorated Pullman car or a transfer caboose with side stakes to hold baggage or tent poles." (Page 109) I have checked 1950 catalogs and have found only the circus set we all know, with the flatcars, cages and the yellow painted New Haven type passenger car. Has anyone ever heard of the composition spoken of in the book? Actually, the searchlight car is a pretty good idea for an addition to the set. I wouldn't be surprised if the book simply has it wrong, as I found what are probably other errors as well. They mention the supposed "cease and desist" letter from Lionel regarding the 314AW. On that one I personally checked the court records and their never was a case. A "cease and desist" letter is possible, but as someone pointed out, AF made a similar whistle before WWII mounted in a Baggage Car, apparently without complaint from Lionel. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53948	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? [S-Trains] Digest Number 4437

Both are equally dependable and are very good hi-rail models. Details on each example are railroad specific. The choice would depend on what types of consists you intend to pull most of the time. Passenger or freight? What choice of RR, if any? If you purchase either, be sure to get a TMCC setup (~$100). They operate better with than without. The smoothest starts are obtained by optimizing the stall and momentum settings via Cab-1 (or better still with Legacy via Cab-2). Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/17/2009 1:10:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: If I could buy only one, which would be the better choice and why? Durability, reliability, features, looks, realism, resale value, ... **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53949	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Price Guides [S-Trains] Digest Number 4437

Hi Chuck, Well, let me answer this way. My point about the printed prices (2004) on common items being roughly 10% too high is related to the current market vis-a-vis to that of 5 years ago. No more. No less. Asking prices are listed because those are observable at train meets. No one can not know for sure what most final sales prices are because one can not be privy to all negotiations between all buyers and sellers. Please keep in mind the details, qualifications, and condition multipliers that I wrote in the front of the books, as you seem to be doing. Price guides are just that -- guides. Not absolutes. It is important to become personally knowledgeable about the current market. A simple example -- both guides cite prices that are far too low for the 6-48489 Penna. Dutch Pretzels boxcar. The TM guide is low because there hasn't been a recent update and Greenberg is low because they are not paying attention. ;-) Price guides are intended to get you into the ballpark and maybe to your section. One still has to find one's seat on one's own. In any case, the more important information is printed on the left side of the pages. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/17/2009 1:10:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks for your reply. Another question. The 2000 edition of the TM book which is the one I currently have, says that the prices are the ASKING PRICES at meets, and that you should be able to buy 10% to 20% less. My question is about the 2004 edition and your quote below. When you say that the prices in the 2004 guide are about 10% too high on non desirable trains, are you saying that the asking price is 10% low, so that adding that to the 10% to 20% difference between asking price and selling price, that items should perhaps be purchased at 20% to 30% less than the price listed in the 2004 guide? Or are you saying that the purchase price could be 10% less than that in the guide? I hope I am asking this question clearly... Thanks in advance for the clarification! Chuck Harrington **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53950	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Passenger engine freight engine

Occasionally I see postings that tease (berate?) Gilbert and Lionel for selling a passenger set with a freight engine or vice versa, but I've never paid enough attention to learn the difference.  How can you tell whether given engine (either steam or diesel) is a passenger engine or a freight engine?  Is there something about the design that you can see by looking at them, or do you just have to know the railroad business? I trust the switchers like Gilbert's 0-8-0 and 0-6-0, and the S-Helper diesels, are a third category, correct? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53951	From: G C	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Junkers

I think the thread is done. You guys did it again, you took my title Junkers and kept going with your argumentative discussion regarding parting. Next time please change the header. My question was simple - where does one get junkers? I got only one or two actual responses before the flood gates opened again with the diatribes. I don't usually get too out of shape, but this time I didn't want to be included in what has become a minor battle. Thanks, Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53952	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Passenger engines freight engines

Most toy train makers rarely allowed an "incorrect" type engine to concern them when it came to sets. Generally, you have to know the railroad business as it was in those days, but there are a few things to look for..... Diesels and electrics are hardest to spot as the big difference is gearing. Passenger units had higher gearing for faster speeds, while frieght units are geared for more power to haul heavy freight trains. Passenger diesels were generally longer so as to hold a steam heat boiler for the passenger cars and usually had six wheel trucks. However, in many cases, standard units were modified for use in passenger service. Sante Fe did this for instance. With steam engines it is easier. Most freight engines had smaller diameter drive wheels, while passenger engines had taller ones. Again, it was high speed versus more power, larger drivers can go faster. However, there were "dual service" locomotives toward the end of the steam era when fast freight trains became popular, the 4-8-4 Northern was often used both ways, as were 2-8-4 and 4-8-2 locos. In Flyer for instance, the 4-4-2 Atlantic and 4-6-2 Pacfic are passenger engines, while the new 2-8-2 is a freight engine. (Strangely, Gilbert didn't seem to like freight engines.) The 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 are considered switch engines because of their small diameter drivers and they don't have leading or trailing trucks under the engine and therefore are not suited faster mainline operations. The small diesels with the cabs at one end are switchers. There were exceptions to the above due to an possible emergency need to use an engine "out of service type" but this is a rule of thumb. Stumpy Stone...steam loco fan in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53953	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine

When I worked on the Santa Fe in the early 1960¹s, they used any power that was handy. The yellow and blue war bonnet paint scheme was supposed to be for freight, the yellow and red paint scheme for passenger. But many was the time that I rode in the cab of one of those yellow and red covered wagons hauling 100 freight cars. Maybe other railroads used passenger colors only for passenger and freight colors only for freight, don¹t know. The Kansas City Southern had different paint schemes for passenger and freight as did the Rock Island. Information and photos showing various freight and passenger schemes can be found by Googling a particular railroad and checking out that railroad¹s historical society¹s web site. Today of course the only over the road passenger trains are Amtrak and everything else is freight, so now it is simple to tell what¹s what. Roy Inman on 4/17/09 10:05 AM, Robert Graves at theupstairstrain@... wrote: > > > > > > Occasionally I see postings that tease (berate?) Gilbert and Lionel for > selling a passenger set with a freight engine or vice versa, but I've never > paid enough attention to learn the difference.  How can you tell whether given > engine (either steam or diesel) is a passenger engine or a freight engine?  Is > there something about the design that you can see by looking at them, or do > you just have to know the railroad business? > > I trust the switchers like Gilbert's 0-8-0 and 0-6-0, and the S-Helper > diesels, are a third category, correct? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53954	From: Ben Perry	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine

Robert Graves wrote: "How can you tell whether given engine (either steam or diesel) is a passenger engine or a freight engine? Is there something about the design that you can see by looking at them, or do you just have to know the railroad business?" The short answer is: you have to know the railroad business and its history. Ben Perry Involved in railroading and S Gauge for more than 60 years. Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:05 AM To: s-trains@... Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger engine freight engine Occasionally I see postings that tease (berate?) Gilbert and Lionel for selling a passenger set with a freight engine or vice versa, but I've never paid enough attention to learn the difference.� How can you tell whether given engine (either steam or diesel) is a passenger engine or a freight engine?� Is there something about the design that you can see by looking at them, or do you just have to know the railroad business? I trust the switchers like Gilbert's 0-8-0 and 0-6-0, and the S-Helper diesels, are a third category, correct? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53955	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: (no subject)

Greetings I want to thank John Frankforther for his post last March regarding Fiber optics and his link to the fiber optics store. Earlier this week I finally placed an order with them. Since I can't tell a millimeter from a nano second I ordered a 1mm, 2mm, and a 3mm cables from this company. Alas!! Eureka!! I have found a way to make headlight lenses for my American Models GP9's. I took the 2mm and heated the end gently until it just started to mushroom. I then sanded the mushroomed head with 1500 grit sand paper and it fit. And it looks good. Now I can try to attach the fibers to the bulb to make them actually glow. I will probably secure them with some kind of putty or perhaps hot glue on another day. Please pardon my enthusiasm, but I have been looking at those holes in the bodys where lenses should have been but could'nt find for several years now. Thanks again John Ernie Mennecke _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage2_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53956	From: splsaab	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine

With steam locomotives another general but by no means definitive method of identification is the lead truck. A passenger locomotive usually used a 4 wheel lead truck for better stability and ride at speed. A freight locomotive also could use a 4 wheel lead truck (like fast freight or dual purpose locos) but usually used just a 2 wheel lead truck, thus putting more weight on the driving wheels and enabling it to put more power to the rails to pull those heavy freight trains. -Robert Carter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53957	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Alternate Circus Set

No such beast as original. The search light car, along with custom painted drop-center flats, generator cars, cranes, cattle cars, etc. have all been done in circus colors and sold on eBay without abandon today...but the original circus set was two flats, loco and tender, and New Haven coach. Wagons differed/varied greatly from early to late and the color of the flats (yellow or red, rarer) and pressed wood flats during the war, handrails on the loco or not, and tin or cast base New Haven Coach pretty much rounded out the variations. A local collector says his set came ORIGINAL with an ACME carousel truck in place of the second wagon and regular Allied truck...you be the judge. The carousel truck does make a fantastic load for the circus train, though!! My current circus train is 14 cars long with lots of kitbashed (based on original real-life) and old original circus-appropriate loads. A stake driver and canvas truck, canvas covered wagon, bull-horn trucks by Thomas Toys, ACME carousel trucks (4), etc... Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53958	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2009
Subject: Flyonel Mikados

Guys, Thanks for your interest. "Mikes" are gone with a waiting list. Will let you know next time I find a "deal" like that one. Have a line on Flyonel PRR Passenger sets. Will let you know. Have a GREAT weekend, Jim " heading to York" Lyle **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53959	From: G C	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine

NYC at some point actually used Hudsons in freight as well. It all depended on the need for power at any one point in time. I don't think these were regular frieght power, but were used when more than one engine was needed to pull. I have it on film from the Trains and Locomotive series. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53960	From: G C	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine

Has anyone mentioned driver size as a way to distinguish freight from passenger locomotives? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a larger diameter (81-inches on a PRR E6 for example) was common on passenger locomotives such as the Atlantics. That gave them more turn for the buck. A larger diameter driver covers more ground per full turn than a smaller one. The smaller diameters were needed for pulling power as opposed to speed. Also, the number of drivers were not so much for additional power as to accommodate the total weight of a larger locomotive. Larger and heavier locomotives provide more tractive effort. Also larger fireboxes play a role as well. The original Reading type had that large Wooten firebox and consequently Reading attempted to put an extra set of wheels in the rear trailing truck, but alas the engine trembled and wobbled so much that that gave it up and settled on their redesigned Atlantic that we are so familiar with in Flyer Land. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53961	From: william cole	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine

much also has to do with whatever time period you're modelling..... as railroads introduced lightweight passenger trains, many times there would be engines assigned specifically to a train....as passenger service declined and the bottom line became critical, anything went, in some cases. that also greatly depended on which railroad is being talked about...they all seemed to handle it differently. Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 4/18/09, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Passenger engine freight engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 9:08 AM NYC at some point actually used Hudsons in freight as well. It all depended on the need for power at any one point in time. I don't think these were regular frieght power, but were used when more than one engine was needed to pull. I have it on film from the Trains and Locomotive series. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53962	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger engine freight engine

Driver size might be a way but other factors get blurred. Passenger loco wheel diameters could be between 5'6" and 6'6" in general with some high speed locos heaps bigger. The Big Boys had 5'8" drivers but were obvious freight locos but could pull a 3600 ton load at 80 miles per hour which was above the maximum allowed for many smaller line passenger expresses! Here in South Australia on our smaller network we had the absolutely superb, light Northern, Pennsy T1 look alike 520 streamliners designed for light express work but from the onset they were also used extensively for freight work. In NSW the big D7 freight locos were sometimes even used on express passenger work .Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of G C Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger engine freight engine Has anyone mentioned driver size as a way to distinguish freight from passenger locomotives? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a larger diameter (81-inches on a PRR E6 for example) was common on passenger locomotives such as the Atlantics. That gave them more turn for the buck. A larger diameter driver covers more ground per full turn than a smaller one. The smaller diameters were needed for pulling power as opposed to speed. Also, the number of drivers were not so much for additional power as to accommodate the total weight of a larger locomotive. Larger and heavier locomotives provide more tractive effort. Also larger fireboxes play a role as well. The original Reading type had that large Wooten firebox and consequently Reading attempted to put an extra set of wheels in the rear trailing truck, but alas the engine trembled and wobbled so much that that gave it up and settled on their redesigned Atlantic that we are so familiar with in Flyer Land. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53963	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: rdc question

Does anyone know if any company is currently producing an RDC in A/F compatible high-rail? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53964	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/19/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53965	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Alternate Circus Set

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben and Lynn Stiles" <lbstiles@...> wrote: All I can say in regards to various circus sets is that I was quite good friends with Reggie Carnes, and in his collection he had 6 circus coaches, varying in color. Yellow, Maroon, Silver, etc. I have a picture of them, and when I find it I will try to post it! Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53966	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

My recommendations: Passenger duty pulling AM hvywts - - Flyonel Pacific Freight - Flyonel Mike (post NYC, and B&O releases) Power hauler - AM Northern (all-drivers gear driven) tops when converted to TMCC and with its big tender not that hard to do. Realism - SHS Connie with DCC (not the Locomatic) Best deal for a well balanced, smooth runner - AC Gilbert 293

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53967	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

I've always liked the 290- series as well for it's overall performance and application.  Can you tell me if the 293 came in both a link coupler version and a knuckle couple version, or are the knuckles I see conversions?  Also some models seem to have the white painted stripe on the runner board and others do not.  Were there two versions of that, or have some just had their paint worn off? Thanks in advance. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:24:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? My recommendations: Passenger duty pulling AM hvywts - - Flyonel Pacific Freight - Flyonel Mike (post NYC, and B&O releases) Power hauler - AM Northern (all-drivers gear driven) tops when converted to TMCC and with its big tender not that hard to do. Realism - SHS Connie with DCC (not the Locomatic) Best deal for a well balanced, smooth runner - AC Gilbert 293 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53968	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2009
Subject: Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific?

Funny you should say that!  I have two 293s and I love them! --- On Sat, 4/18/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 6:24 PM My recommendations: Passenger duty pulling AM hvywts - - Flyonel Pacific Freight - Flyonel Mike (post NYC, and B&O releases) Power hauler - AM Northern (all-drivers gear driven) tops when converted to TMCC and with its big tender not that hard to do. Realism - SHS Connie with DCC (not the Locomatic) Best deal for a well balanced, smooth runner - AC Gilbert 293 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53969	From: william cole	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: rdc question

not scale length, but: Tom Doherty PA Heritage Models, Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53970	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: rdc question

Here's a pic of Tom Hodgson's American Hi Rail RDCs. http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/philk/American+Hi-Rail/RDC+2.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Don't know if he still has any, though. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if any company is currently producing an RDC in A/F compatible high-rail? > Thanks, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53971	From: John	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: XTrkCad

Hello All I guess it's time to get started on my layout, as I have procrastinated for too long. Is anyone out there using the program XTrkCad program to design their track layout? If so are you using S-Helper Flex track? John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53972	From: John	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: XTrkCad

Hello All I guess it's time to get started on my layout, as I have procrastinated for too long. Is anyone out there using the program XTrkCad program to design their track layout? If so are you using S-Helper Flex track? John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53973	From: John	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re:

You are welcome Ernie! I am glad something I contributed to the group was useful to someone. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Mendecke" <emennecke@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Greetings I want to thank John Frankforther for his post last March regarding Fiber optics and his link to the fiber optics store. Earlier this week I finally placed an order with them. Since I can't tell a millimeter from a nano second I ordered a 1mm, 2mm, and a 3mm cables from this company. Alas!! Eureka!! I have found a way to make headlight lenses for my American Models GP9's. I took the 2mm and heated the end gently until it just started to mushroom. I then sanded the mushroomed head with 1500 grit sand paper and it fit. And it looks good. Now I can try to attach the fibers to the bulb to make them actually glow. I will probably secure them with some kind of putty or perhaps hot glue on another day. Please pardon my enthusiasm, but I have been looking at those holes in the bodys where lenses should have been but could'nt find for several years now. Thanks again John Ernie Mennecke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53974	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: secret mission

I will be on a secret mission today at the Hagerstown Suns minor league baseball game. I will be bringing a tape measure with me to get measurements of their grandstands for my grandstands for my ballpark on the layout. I will be escorted by Hugo and Che, to protect me, from being escorted out of the stadium. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53975	From: lember2004	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: wiring old whistling billboard ?

I recently acquired a Royal Typewriter "It's Magic" illuminated & whistling billboard produced by Gilbert in 1939. It works just fine, but it took a while to hook up because it has 4 wires emerging from it, instead of the usual post-war 3 wires. And only 3 properly selected & hooked up wires were necessary to have its horn & light work. I would like to learn the function of the 4th wire. On an ohmeter, there is infinite resistance between ground & the 4th wire. Any info would be appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53976	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?

OK, while we are on the subject, I have a Ringling Brothers 577 one that is a basket case. Does anyone have a diagram of the internal wiring that they would be kind enough to share? Thank you very much. ________________________________ From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:11:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] wiring old whistling billboard ? I recently acquired a Royal Typewriter "It's Magic" illuminated & whistling billboard produced by Gilbert in 1939. It works just fine, but it took a while to hook up because it has 4 wires emerging from it, instead of the usual post-war 3 wires. And only 3 properly selected & hooked up wires were necessary to have its horn & light work. I would like to learn the function of the 4th wire. On an ohmeter, there is infinite resistance between ground & the 4th wire. Any info would be appreciated! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53977	From: Keith O	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: What should I do?

Dear fellow members Are the recent changes to eBay really their new policy of protecting the buyer? Or, is this just another ruse to isolate contact between members? I do feel guilty about what I have done, or should I say, what I haven�t done to protect or at least share some knowledge that I have with a fellow Mini Craft enthusiast. I purchased an AF #160 from a TCA member on eBay # 170313254238 . I received it and within 30 seconds, recognized that both stanchions had been replaced and the six short stanchion supports had over-stain on them. This is definitely not obvious to most but in my case, living and breathing these buildings, it pops out immediately. I emailed the seller with this information and with no issues whatsoever, he told me to mail it back. My PayPal account was credited 100% and all I was out was $10.00 freight back. I suggested to the seller that he could re-list this station with the mentioning of replacement stanchions, over-stain on the six supports and missing the Valley View sign and more than double what I paid for it. The seller used every piece of advice I gave him regarding where, how and when to re-list but omitted reproduction parts and over-stained supports. Look for yourself, eBay # 170320410753. She now sold for $355.00 and with eBay�s new protect the buyer policy, we can�t even email the buyer to inform him that he may unknowingly put into his collection a building, that when he or his family tries to sell it in years to come, will be shocked to learn it�s NOT original. Any suggestions on what I should do? Keith 623-877-8101 (atrains@...) collector of AF, �Mini-Craft� and �Montblanc Models� wood buildings. Best regards Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53978	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: What should I do?

Hi Keith, I would do nothing. None of us is a party to that transaction. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith O Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:45 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] What should I do? Dear fellow members Are the recent changes to eBay really their new policy of protecting the buyer? Or, is this just another ruse to isolate contact between members? I do feel guilty about what I have done, or should I say, what I haven't done to protect or at least share some knowledge that I have with a fellow Mini Craft enthusiast. I purchased an AF #160 from a TCA member on eBay # 170313254238 . I received it and within 30 seconds, recognized that both stanchions had been replaced and the six short stanchion supports had over-stain on them. This is definitely not obvious to most but in my case, living and breathing these buildings, it pops out immediately. I emailed the seller with this information and with no issues whatsoever, he told me to mail it back. My PayPal account was credited 100% and all I was out was $10.00 freight back. I suggested to the seller that he could re-list this station with the mentioning of replacement stanchions, over-stain on the six supports and missing the Valley View sign and more than double what I paid for it. The seller used every piece of advice I gave him regarding where, how and when to re-list but omitted reproduction parts and over-stained supports. Look for yourself, eBay # 170320410753. She now sold for $355.00 and with eBay's new protect the buyer policy, we can't even email the buyer to inform him that he may unknowingly put into his collection a building, that when he or his family tries to sell it in years to come, will be shocked to learn it's NOT original. Any suggestions on what I should do? Keith 623-877-8101 (atrains@...) collector of AF, "Mini-Craft" and "Montblanc Models" wood buildings. Best regards Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53979	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?

Mark, without being there, I think you already found the answer. It's a ground either Factory or after market installed, Mike In a message dated 4/19/2009 9:21:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lember2004@... writes: I recently acquired a Royal Typewriter "It's Magic" illuminated & whistling billboard produced by Gilbert in 1939. It works just fine, but it took a while to hook up because it has 4 wires emerging from it, instead of the usual post-war 3 wires. And only 3 properly selected & hooked up wires were necessary to have its horn & light work. I would like to learn the function of the 4th wire. On an ohmeter, there is infinite resistance between ground & the 4th wire. Any info would be appreciated! Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53980	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: What should I do?

and he notes - eBay's buyer protection policy came about (in part) because scammers were emailing buyers with phoney end of auction invoices or touting items for sale that either didn't exist or were less than quality items offered. Buyers not knowing better would pay the fake invoice or purchase the lesser quality items outside eBay. eBay put a stop to it by effectively hiding the buyer's ID. So it's not a ruse to isolate the buyer from other members but effectively it does just that. So it is unfortunate that you can't contact the new owner. I've been on eBay for ten years and have let hapless buyers know that an item is either a rebuild or a fake several times but can no longer do so. It is frustrating, however there may be a way you can inform the buyer through eBay's Security Center: Here is a link to that page: http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactUsNextGen Click either "email us" or "call us" for the phone number and calling code. The hours are 6:00 a.m. to 6 p.m. weekdays and explain the situation. Have the transaction numbers ready. eBay does not (usually) tolerate deliberately misrepresented products however I did notice that in the second auction, the seller did state that some parts may have been replaced so you may run into a road block. If I were bidding on the item I would have asked for details. It might be the case where the station was repaired with original parts but even so the auction should have said so.The buyer may have done that and was still interested enough to bid on it. The old saying 'caveat emptor' applies I guess! Since you know who the seller is you can also report it to the TCA. They may not act on a single complaint but at least it would be on record in case he's a repeat offender. Good luck. At least you got some of your money back so the seller may be legit as he has a 100% Feedback rating. Also, since the auction just closed it hasn't been shipped yet and the buyer may notice the same anomalies and ask for a refund. Raleigh Carpyfishburn on eBay At 01:45 PM 4/19/2009, you wrote: > Dear fellow members > >Are the recent changes to eBay really their new policy of protecting >the buyer? Or, is this just another ruse to isolate contact between >members? I do feel guilty about what I have done, or should I say, >what I haven't done to protect or at least share some knowledge that >I have with a fellow Mini Craft enthusiast. I purchased an AF #160 >from a TCA member on eBay # 170313254238 . I received it and within >30 seconds, recognized that both stanchions had been replaced and >the six short stanchion supports had over-stain on them. This is >definitely not obvious to most but in my case, living and breathing >these buildings, it pops out immediately. I emailed the seller with >this information and with no issues whatsoever, he told me to mail >it back. My PayPal account was credited 100% and all I was out was >$10.00 freight back. > >I suggested to the seller that he could re-list this station with >the mentioning of replacement stanchions, over-stain on the six >supports and missing the Valley View sign and more than double what >I paid for it. The seller used every piece of advice I gave him >regarding where, how and when to re-list but omitted reproduction >parts and over-stained supports. Look for yourself, eBay # >170320410753. She now sold for $355.00 and with eBay's new protect >the buyer policy, we can't even email the buyer to inform him that >he may unknowingly put into his collection a building, that when he >or his family tries to sell it in years to come, will be shocked to >learn it's NOT original. Any suggestions on what I should do? Keith >623-877-8101 (atrains@...) collector of AF, "Mini-Craft" >and "Montblanc Models" wood buildings. > >Best regards > >Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53981	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: What should I do?

Keith, like Bill, I would do nothing...But, if it really bothers you keep checking the sellers feedback & look for the item.Then you can find out who bought it. If the buyer has left bad feedback, you might be of help to him. But if he's happy..Let it go...Mike In a message dated 4/19/2009 11:06:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, atrains@... writes: Dear fellow members Are the recent changes to eBay really their new policy of protecting the buyer? Or, is this just another ruse to isolate contact between members? I do feel guilty about what I have done, or should I say, what I haven’t done to protect or at least share some knowledge that I have with a fellow Mini Craft enthusiast. I purchased an AF #160 from a TCA member on eBay # 170313254238 . I received it and within 30 seconds, recognized that both stanchions had been replaced and the six short stanchion supports had over-stain on them. This is definitely not obvious to most but in my case, living and breathing these buildings, it pops out immediately. I emailed the seller with this information and with no issues whatsoever, he told me to mail it back. My PayPal account was credited 100% and all I was out was $10.00 freight back. I suggested to the seller that he could re-list this station with the mentioning of replacement stanchions, over-stain on the six supports and missing the Valley View sign and more than double what I paid for it. The seller used every piece of advice I gave him regarding where, how and when to re-list but omitted reproduction parts and over-stained supports. Look for yourself, eBay # 170320410753. She now sold for $355.00 and with eBay’s new protect the buyer policy, we can’t even email the buyer to inform him that he may unknowingly put into his collection a building, that when he or his family tries to sell it in years to come, will be shocked to learn it’s NOT original. Any suggestions on what I should do? Keith 623-877-8101 (atrains@...) collector of AF, “Mini-Craft” and “Montblanc Models” wood buildings. Best regards Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53982	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?

Hi, I have an original Royal typewriter billboard in mint condition. I can look at mine to see how it is wired for you! Take care, Rich ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] wiring old whistling billboard ? Mark, without being there, I think you already found the answer. It's a ground either Factory or after market installed, Mike In a message dated 4/19/2009 9:21:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lember2004@yahoo. com writes: I recently acquired a Royal Typewriter "It's Magic" illuminated & whistling billboard produced by Gilbert in 1939. It works just fine, but it took a while to hook up because it has 4 wires emerging from it, instead of the usual post-war 3 wires. And only 3 properly selected & hooked up wires were necessary to have its horn & light work. I would like to learn the function of the 4th wire. On an ohmeter, there is infinite resistance between ground & the 4th wire. Any info would be appreciated! Mark ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x122081 4852x1201410738/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26 hmpgID%3D62% 26bcd%3DAprilfoo ter419NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53983	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: 293 Pacific

All were made with knuckle couplers - Gilbert released this as a new engine in 1953. Greenberg says they all had white running boards, and I think that is correct. --- On Sat, 4/18/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 7:07 PM I've always liked the 290- series as well for it's overall performance and application.  Can you tell me if the 293 came in both a link coupler version and a knuckle couple version, or are the knuckles I see conversions?  Also some models seem to have the white painted stripe on the runner board and others do not.  Were there two versions of that, or have some just had their paint worn off? Thanks in advance. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:24:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? My recommendations: Passenger duty pulling AM hvywts - - Flyonel Pacific Freight - Flyonel Mike (post NYC, and B&O releases) Power hauler - AM Northern (all-drivers gear driven) tops when converted to TMCC and with its big tender not that hard to do. Realism - SHS Connie with DCC (not the Locomatic) Best deal for a well balanced, smooth runner - AC Gilbert 293 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53984	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/19/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 53987	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Clayton and the group, I try to keep everything I restore original , if possible. As a result on this 314AW control box, I opted to rewire the original components and put it back together as I thought it should be, before I converted to modern diode and capacitor. It now works like a champ and the whistle sounds very good. I love to work on these old "Flyer Classics". They amaze me that after 50-60 years and a little TLC that they work as good as they do. I chuckle when someone talks about their new $600-$700 engines with all the new electronics not working right out of the box. I take medication for high blood pressure, and I can't imagine the shape I might be in, if I were to invest $1500 in the new Flyonel Big Boy, and it not work when I put it on the track. That is assuming that they ever ship from China. My face is turning red just thinking about it, time to go take a pill. Everybody have a great evening. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: uvl97222@... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:39:02 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW Larry, let us all know what you think of the whistle when it's running. Clayton Milwaukie OR _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53988	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: Consolidated 2-8-0 Smoker

Dear Allen, This may vary from engine to engine as the motors do not all draw exactly the same amount. The smoke unit is not on the decoder, only the switch to turn it on and off. The smoke unit works off of track voltage. We have done shows and had the smoke unit on for as long as 8 hours without this problem. Plus, if you have the smoke unit on for 30 minutes, I hope you stop several times to add smoke fluid. The elements do not tolerate having no fluid on the wick. We know as we have replaced a bunch. Best, Don On Apr 19, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Allen Evans wrote: > > > If you run one for more than 30 minutes with just the smoker slide > switch just on, aside from actually pressing F6, the Tsunami will > overheat and momentarily stall. And of course, if you drive it for > more than 5minutes with the smoker going, F6 dpressed, it will stall > much more frequently. > > FIX: I would recommend using a secondary decoder, like a hearty Lenz > LE1835W, tying the green and violet function wires together to the > smoker circuit. > > W. Allen Evans > NMRA / NASG > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53989	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Items For sale

Packing up for FFW. Get them now. These were purchased from a local dealer. The only one I have run is the Roscoe Snyder. Seldom seen on EBay in the last year. Free shipping. S Helper For Sale 62 Stock Pig Palace NIB $50.00 70 Box MEC/ Portland NIB $40.00 85 PS-2 Hopper Chessie NIB $40.00 145 Box PRR NIB $40.00 288 PS-2 Hopper NAHX NIB $40.00 410 Rb Box, Steel Roscoe, Sny, RUN $40.00 482 Reefer AT&SF NIB $40.00 487 Reefer Gerber NIB $40.00 518 Reefer Parrot Potatoes NIB $40.00 AM Hi Rail For Sale 3303 CD Hopper Cargill NIB $40.00 5508 50ft Ribside Box, Tropicana NIB $40.00 50ft Hopper, Union Pacific NIB $40.00 Also have AC Gilbert, Flyonel rolling stock, sets and accessories For Sale Please contact me offline. Ed Eckert ejenterp@... (ejenterp(at)pacbell.net 408-263-2482

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53990	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/19/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW

Thanks Larry! --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW > To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 4:37 PM > Clayton and the group, I try to keep everything I restore > original , if possible. As a result on this 314AW control > box, I opted to rewire the original components and put it > back together as I thought it should be, before I converted > to modern diode and capacitor. It now works like a champ and > the whistle sounds very good. I love to work on these old > "Flyer Classics". They amaze me that after 50-60 > years and a little TLC that they work as good as they do. I > chuckle when someone talks about their new $600-$700 engines > with all the new electronics not working right out of the > box. I take medication for high blood pressure, and I > can't imagine the shape I might be in, if I were to > invest $1500 in the new Flyonel Big Boy, and it not work > when I put it on the track. That is assuming that they ever > ship from China. My face is turning red just thinking about > it, time to go take a pill. Everybody have a great evening. > Larry > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: uvl97222@... > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:39:02 -0700 > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW > > > > > > > > Larry, let us all know what you think of the whistle when > it's running. > > Clayton > Milwaukie OR > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Life without walls. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53991	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: 342 questions

I never had a Gilbert 0-8-0 but the kid down the street did back in '59, so I know little about them. But I had to have one. A 1952 model 342 arrived over the weekend. This was an ebay find so I knew I was taking my chances. It was listed as a knuckle coupler conversion and smoke unit not working so the price was reasonable as switchers go. But it does smoke, at least on the bench. There is a slide switch located above the brush tubes. Once I threw that switch it started billowing foul smelling smoke. Not AF smoke but the Life-Like odor. That's easily fixable. Is the switch original? It's a nice feature if it is. Someone has shown it a little too much love with the oil can. So it needed to be cleaned up a bit before running. The motor ran MUCH faster after a thorough cleaning of the commutator and brushes. On the track It doesn't smoke much. The motor runs so fast that it has to be going full-tilt to get anything out of the stack. I'll try a 5th wire first and then re-wick if that doesn't work. The one chuff per two driver revolutions was a little disappointing but like I said, I didn't know much about the 0-8-0s. Is the chuff rate the same in all years of these? It runs well enough now but doesn't do well on AF switches on the diverging route. Is this a common characteristic of these? I appreciate your comments and feedback. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53992	From: race944t	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: York get together

I may have missed it, but are the S-Trains people getting together for a picture at York? How about the S-Trains badge? I'm leaving at noon tomorrow so someone get a message to me at Blue K-21 if I don't see a post before I go. "Banker" Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53993	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: 293 Pacific

Thanks for the info !!   Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:49:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 293 Pacific All were made with knuckle couplers - Gilbert released this as a new engine in 1953. Greenberg says they all had white running boards, and I think that is correct. --- On Sat, 4/18/09, jimensign50@... < jimensign50@... > wrote: From: jimensign50@... < jimensign50@... > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 7:07 PM I've always liked the 290- series as well for it's overall performance and application.  Can you tell me if the 293 came in both a link coupler version and a knuckle couple version, or are the knuckles I see conversions?  Also some models seem to have the white painted stripe on the runner board and others do not.  Were there two versions of that, or have some just had their paint worn off? Thanks in advance. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:24:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Which is better: Flyonel Mikado or Pacific? My recommendations: Passenger duty pulling AM hvywts - - Flyonel Pacific Freight - Flyonel Mike (post NYC, and B&O releases) Power hauler - AM Northern (all-drivers gear driven) tops when converted to TMCC and with its big tender not that hard to do. Realism - SHS Connie with DCC (not the Locomatic) Best deal for a well balanced, smooth runner - AC Gilbert 293 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53994	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Highways in the York area

What's the best way from York, PA to Macungie, PA this Friday April 24th - route 30 to 222, or 83N to 78E, or some other way? I've heard in the past that construction on 30 made it a mess. Maybe that's over? But now too that maybe there's similar work on 222? Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53995	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area

83N to 78E is probably the quickest. May be construction on 83 or 78, not aware of any. Only one construction area on 222N, above Denver exit as of 2 weeks ago. Rt 30 in York will probably be experiencing some construction in the Fall, from Rt 24 to Rt 83 interchange. Will update closer to the time. Jim "Tinplate Ties at tables E16 & 17 in the Orange Hall" Lyle In a message dated 4/20/2009 9:06:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dsme_horn@... writes: What's the best way from York, PA to Macungie, PA this Friday April 24th - route 30 to 222, or 83N to 78E, or some other way? I've heard in the past that construction on 30 made it a mess. Maybe that's over? But now too that maybe there's similar work on 222? Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53996	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area

====== What's the best way from York, PA to Macungie, PA this Friday April 24th - route 30 to 222, or 83N to 78E, or some other way?  I've heard in the past that construction on 30 made it a mess.  Maybe that's over?  But now too that maybe there's similar work on 222?  Thank you. ======   I live near around Harrisburg, about 18 miles NW of York. I frequently travel from home ot the Allentown area. My road of choice is always Interstate 81 N to Interstate 78 East. If I were coming from York, it would still be Interstate 83 North, to Interstate 81 North, to Interstate 78. Route 30 is the world's worst road to travel. It is Narrow, polluted with traffic lights and regardless what time you are driving, the traffic is horrible. I would drive 50 miles further just to avoid that road.   Unfortunately, in Pa., There are only two seasons. Winter and road construction. If the sun is shining, there will be construction crews tearing up the roads everywhere, usualy starting at rush hour and end immediately after.  A common contest among them is to see how long they can block traffic in one lane before someone gets killed by a speeding truck.They usually sleep when there is no traffic.   The real problem is with the "planners" for construction. Work is generally based on who bribes them best rather than the real need for maintenance.   My suggestion would be to take a train...   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53997	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area

I believe there ARE tracks close to Macungie, however, NO passenger service of course. Jim "chuckling about the roads" Lyle In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:46:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: My suggestion would be to take a train... **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53998	From: william cole	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area

I was out at the York Fairgrounds for the East Coast Large Scale Train Show last month...I don't remember any construction issues on route 30 between Lancaster and York....leaving early to avoid the traffic is a major key to a pleasant trip!!!   Have a safe trip!   Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 4/20/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Highways in the York area To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 11:06 AM 83N to 78E is probably the quickest. May be construction on 83 or 78, not aware of any. Only one construction area on 222N, above Denver exit as of 2 weeks ago. Rt 30 in York will probably be experiencing some construction in the Fall, from Rt 24 to Rt 83 interchange. Will update closer to the time. Jim "Tinplate Ties at tables E16 & 17 in the Orange Hall" Lyle In a message dated 4/20/2009 9:06:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dsme_horn@hotmail. com writes: What's the best way from York, PA to Macungie, PA this Friday April 24th - route 30 to 222, or 83N to 78E, or some other way? I've heard in the past that construction on 30 made it a mess. Maybe that's over? But now too that maybe there's similar work on 222? Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 53999	From: william cole	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area

Ah train travel...NOW that would be a great way to get to the Fairgrounds!!!!!!!   with Amtrak and the Federal Government in charge, that'll never happen...   I would love to have an engineer do the driving to York a couple times each year!!!!!!   when the NMRA show was in Philly a couple of years ago, pop and I took the train to the train show....what a trip.....SEPTA (our local government commuter agency) couldn't get Amtrak to throw a switch, so we had to back up past the station we boarded at, and go south to a crossover to get on Amtrak's tracks so we could get into Philly.....   when railroaders can't throw a switch, there is something wrong with the "plan"!!!!   am considering taking Amtrak to the NMRA show in Hartford this summer IF a train leaves early enough on Saturday morning to get me from Philly to Hartford.... have tried similar trips and the timing never works out.....we used to get to Chicago in how many hours?????   have a fun time at York!     Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Highways in the York area To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 10:33 AM ====== What's the best way from York, PA to Macungie, PA this Friday April 24th - route 30 to 222, or 83N to 78E, or some other way?  I've heard in the past that construction on 30 made it a mess.  Maybe that's over?  But now too that maybe there's similar work on 222?  Thank you. ======   I live near around Harrisburg, about 18 miles NW of York. I frequently travel from home ot the Allentown area. My road of choice is always Interstate 81 N to Interstate 78 East. If I were coming from York, it would still be Interstate 83 North, to Interstate 81 North, to Interstate 78. Route 30 is the world's worst road to travel. It is Narrow, polluted with traffic lights and regardless what time you are driving, the traffic is horrible. I would drive 50 miles further just to avoid that road.   Unfortunately, in Pa., There are only two seasons. Winter and road construction. If the sun is shining, there will be construction crews tearing up the roads everywhere, usualy starting at rush hour and end immediately after.  A common contest among them is to see how long they can block traffic in one lane before someone gets killed by a speeding truck.They usually sleep when there is no traffic.   The real problem is with the "planners" for construction. Work is generally based on who bribes them best rather than the real need for maintenance.   My suggestion would be to take a train...   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54000	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: RDC link

The PAHERITAGE link given does not show any S-Gauge RDC's only buildings. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54001	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Re: Highways in the York area

Thanks. I'll take 83 and 78.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54002	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Some Accessories For Sale.

Some Accessories For Sale. I am packing up for FFW. Get them now. These were purchased from a local dealer or from the GGAFC Free shipping. Lionel American Flyer Accessories 6-12862, NIB, Operating Oil Drum Loader, $110.00 6-32987, NIB, Hobo Campfire, $40.00 6-49806, NIB, 23796 Sawmill in original shipping box, $115.00 6-49813, NIB, 789 Baggage Smasher in original plastic wrap, $105.00 MTH 30-12002, NIB, 314 Union Pacific Girder Bridge, $30.00 Please contact me offline. Ed Eckert ejenterp@... (ejenterp(at)pacbell.net 408-263-2482

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54003	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/20/2009
Subject: Reading PA

Going to see the Reading Phillies after York on Saturday. A bit of RR things at the park. Mike Marmer Railroad/National Penn Bank Train Sign The city of Reading has long been renowned for it's railroad industry. Anyone who has ever played the game of Monopoly has heard of the Reading Railroad. One of the signature aspects of First Energy Stadium is the active train tracks that pass through the stadium parking lots. Often on game days, fans hear the whistle of trains departing with or delivering materials to Carpenter Technology. Carpenter's property adds to the surroundings of the stadium and paints a picture of Reading as a blue-collar town. Inside the ballpark, just beyond the center field wall, resides the National Penn Bank Exploding Train. The sign is an integral part of Reading Phillies rallies and fan excitement. When an R-Phils runner gets into scoring position the railroad-crossing lights and signal turn on and smoke begins to billow from the locomotive's stack. When a runner scores the lights and smoke resume while neon illuminates the train and tracks while fireworks blast from the smoke stack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54004	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: rdc question

Hello, Does anyone have a email or snail mail contact for American Hi Rail? I'm interested in the snow plow. Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: rdc question Here's a pic of Tom Hodgson's American Hi Rail RDCs. http://s-scale. <http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/philk/American+Hi-Rail/RDC+2.j pg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1> org/albums/main.php/v/friends/philk/American+Hi-Rail/RDC+2.jpg.html?g2_image ViewsIndex=1 Don't know if he still has any, though. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if any company is currently producing an RDC in A/F compatible high-rail? > Thanks, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54005	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: SP and Chessie S-Helper freight train sets for sale - SPECIAL YORK p

Fellow S-enthusiasts, I have two complete all S-Helper freight trains for sale. They are offered at very special reduced prices this week only. They will be provided to you in their original boxes at York this Friday only. I park outside the Orange Hall and get there pretty early in the morning. Please let me know if you would like to buy one set or the other, or both (special pricing on that too). Thank you. Cash or personal check with TCA #. For pictures, please look in Photos inside file folder "S-gaugian's Photos". I will otherwise leave these on their glass-door enclosed display case shelves and not bother sorting through scads of SHS boxes to find the right ones. Thank you. Chessie System Covered Hopper Train – all S-Helper, EX+/LN, with original boxes, inserts, scale wheels, etc. - C&O NW2 diesel switcher – AC/Locomatic with sounds - (4) C&O covered 2-bay hoppers – (1) B&O, (2) C&O, (1) WM, all different car #'s, many hard to find - C&O extended vision caboose – a beauty - Retail value: $570.00 ($300, 4X$50, $70) - THIS WEEK ONLY: $425 with pickup at York Orange lot Friday am Southern Pacific Ore Car Train - - all S-Helper, EX+/LN, with original boxes, inserts, scale wheels, etc. - Southern Pacific SW1 diesel switcher – tiger-stripe paint scheme, AC, LED headlight and tail light upgraded - (6) Southern Pacific ore cars with different car #'s and ore loads - - you won't find these cars practically anywhere. - Retail: $460 ($200, 4X$40, 4X$5) - THIS WEEK ONLY: $345 with pickup at York Orange lot Friday am BOTH SETS: - Retail: $1030 - THIS WEEK ONLY: $725 – including an SHS Locomatic 10-button control box ($70 value) FREE! With pickup at York Orange lot Friday am. Many of these items have been out of production for quite awhile and have become difficult to find, especially in terms of as complete sets. Both trains run as smooth as silk and look fantastic on your layout or on the shelf.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54006	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?

Hello          I just caught your post on the 577 whistling billboard diagram. I do have diagrams for the 566, 568, and 577 They are in storage at my mom's but if given a moth or so I can get them and scan them to you

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54007	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Pennsylvania Heritage Models

In a message from PHM: RDC Production Due to very serious health issues, We have had to downsize the product lines we have supported. The following is the current availability of the award winning RDC: We are only supplying "kits" The items included are as follows. *Shell- supplied painted silver; 2 sets of micro scale decals including all previuosly available road names *horns and underbody details- pewter *light package- ready to install. *glazing included *chassis assembled and wired for DC. Hirail or scale wheels available * couplers- not included but mountings for SHS hi-rail or Kadee are installed. *AC modules from Dallee electronics available separately. New price for DC version- $325.00 The above will only be available while supplies last. The 44 ton locomtive has been reissuued. Again- we hope to get photos on our web site soon Includes: *DC chassis-8 wheel drive *Light package * coupler mounting (couplers not included) * can be used with DCC or a very small AC module. Avialable in black resin shell only $165. The S gauge trolley is coming on line after years of waiting. we have been answering pre-orders and recent requests Hope to get photos on web soon. Features: *one piece resin shell (unpainted) *lighting package (headlights and tail lights) *Chassis is the proven 44 ton 8 wheel drive (DC) *pewter sideframes *2 brass trolley poles included Price- $165. We may be able to supply painted versions later. I can only work a few hours a day so if you want any of the above, get your order in and be patient! Tom Doherty PHM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54008	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2009
Subject: Hookey

Bill, Be sure to stop at tables E16& 17 in The Orange Hall and say Hi to some fellow Lancaster Countians. Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54009	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: -Video: Flyertown S Display, So. Jersey

: ~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. THE LINK: Flyertown is an S-gauge train display in Southern New Jersey. You can view this new "hot-off-the-Macintosh" YouTube video of Flyertown here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=G9n9Uw1fJs0 . ~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. LOCATION: ** 2044 Route 9, Clermont, New Jersey 08210, phone 609-624-3173. ** Open SAT & SUN from 10-3. Admission is a paltry $2.50 . Website: http://FlyertownToyTrainMuseum.com Clermont is in the southern end of the state, just a little bit north of Cape May. Note this location is not that far south of Philadelphia Pa and Atlantic City NJ, so if you're ever in that region, you may find it worthwhile to make a little side trip to Flyertown -- if you can get yourself there on Saturday or Sunday when it is open. My Garmin GPS seemed to be confused about the location. One way to find it is to go the WhitePages.com "Reverse Phone Number Lookup page", enter the phone number 609-624-3173, and it shows you an accurate location on the map. Note it's located just north of Cape May Courthouse (that's a town's name), on Route 9 (which runs next-to and parallels the Garden State Pkwy), just a short distance north of the intersection of Route 9 and Route 83. ~~~~~~~~~~~ 3. BACKGROUND: Flyertown was constructed by, and is operated by Joe and Florence Jones. There is a complete article about it in the May 2005 issue of Classic Toy Trains, pages 48-53; including history of the owners Joe & Flo, history of the layout's construction, and complete "specifications" of the layout. CTT was kind enough to give me permission to include the track plan from their magazine article, into the video. ~~~~~~~~~~~ 4. OTHER COMMENTS: In my ever-so-humble opinion, this is a real "JEWEL" of a display. There is not one inch of wasted space on this layout. Everything is superbly laid-out, and superbly scenic'ed. There are trains, animated scenes, and fancy miniature-lighting effects everywhere. Hopefully, the video will support this claim. This video is far-from-perfect. It was sort of "spur of the moment" effort -- me trying to record video, while dodging other spectators in the display. But it hopefully gives you an idea of the layout, if you missed the magazine article back in 2005. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54010	From: glenn allen	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: S Scale At Reading (UK)

If anyone is around on 9th May, the Chatham club is taking its S scale running track and stock collection to the large scale show at Reading, England. You will be more than welcome to run any of your own stock or help us with the running of ours. I'll be spending the day repairing more of the rolling stock. If I get the chance to take some photos I will post them at a later date. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54011	From: william cole	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hookey

will do Jim!   everyone going to York, have a safe trip....   Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Tue, 4/21/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Hookey To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:07 PM Bill, Be sure to stop at tables E16& 17 in The Orange Hall and say Hi to some fellow Lancaster Countians. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54012	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: soldering stainless Gargraves

- GreetingS - Last week Dave Winslow asked about soldering Gargraves. Most folk I know are using the stainless steel option in Gargraves. Don't know if that company still offers track in mild steel. [If anyone wants a sample of rust, I'll be pleased to send her/him a chunk of Gargraves in the latter material.] I haven't had good luck with soldering stainless. Maybe the flux I bought, marked for soldering stainless, was on the sorry side. It would be good to hear from those of you who have had good success in this venture. What is your secret? Spot welding does work nicely on stainless. I think I remember putting a thin piece of nickel sandwiched in the joint beetween the ss and some metal, perhaps copper or more ss. Hope to hear from you on this topic. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54013	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Hugo and Che

Hugo and Che will be going to York Friday and they will be having interviews of all Marx figures in attendance for the position of Produce Loading Dock Foreman. Interviews will be conducted at the York Fairgrounds Grandstand at 1 P.M. So, for all of you attending York who have some Marx figures with you, please make sure they come by for a interview for this wonderful and exciting career move on the D&K RR. Benefits include free lunch at the Branford Diner, where ladies always get a booth, healthcare, 401K and 5 weeks vacation. So please give your Marx figure a opportunity of a lifetime from being stuck forever in your junk or figures box. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54014	From: rdgroup427	Date: 4/22/2009
Subject: Re: soldering stainless Gargraves

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: > > > - GreetingS - > > Last week Dave Winslow asked about soldering Gargraves. Most folk I > know are using the stainless steel option in Gargraves. Don't know > if that company still offers track in mild steel. [If anyone wants > a sample of rust, I'll be pleased to send her/him a chunk of Gargraves > in the latter material.] > > I haven't had good luck with soldering stainless. Maybe the flux I > bought, marked for soldering stainless, was on the sorry side. It > would be good to hear from those of you who have had good success in > this venture. What is your secret? > > Spot welding does work nicely on stainless. I think I remember putting > a thin piece of nickel sandwiched in the joint beetween the ss and some > metal, perhaps copper or more ss. > > Hope to hear from you on this topic. > > CheerS, > > Try using silver solder and silver flux Rhett >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54015	From: Al	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: S-Gauge Trains for Sale

S-Gauge Trains for Sale AFL #24833 Washington Observation car Very Good Condition $89.95 now $74.95 This car has no rust and no dents. The bulb works, Lettering is factory stamped on the sides. There are some small scrapes on each side of the car which removed some paint - nothing really bad. The previous owner has repainted the red stripe on both sides. In the process the person who painted the car took out the window figures. When he replaced them, he made the mistake of putting in the window figures from a N.P Observation car #24853. You can see the numbers through the forward window on each side. This obviously is not a factory error. Photos available. L-AF #48020 Milwaukee Road GP-9 diesel engine Mint in Box $279.95 now $259.00 L-AF #49006 Milwaukee Road Animated Caboose Mint In Box $44.95 now $37.50 K-Line S Gauge #K511-029 Milwaukee Road boxcar Mint In Box $26.95 now $23.95 AF #581 "LACKAWANNA" Girder Bridge (Type III) Good Condition $18.00 now $15.00 The Silver paint has tarnished a little and there is some rust on the top area. The American Flyer sticker is in very good condition. AF #780 24 Graduated Trestle sections Orange Good Condition $18.00 now $15.00 AF #783 12 Hi-Trestle sections Orange Very Good Condition $89.00 now $79.00 Buyer pays for Shipping expenses. I will provide insurance on all items listed. Make me an offer I cannot refuse. E-mail me offline with an offer. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54016	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Train Show Down Under

The Murray Railway Modellers Inc. will be holding their annual show on May 2nd and 3rd. The venue is St. Patrick's Hall, Albury, New South Wales. My portable American Flyer layout will be on display. Please visit our website for more information: www.murrayrailwaymodellers.com Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54017	From: John Keating	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack

Instead of trying to solder or spot weld Gargraves stainless steel track I have been using crimp on spade connectors on feeder wires pushed up from below the rails and into the hollow portion of the rail with great success. You can install more feeders at any other location just as easily. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54018	From: Jim King	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner update

Production on the soon-to-be-released 70-tonner diesel started last week. I'm still waiting for the machine shop to make wheels so I can finish the truck assemblies. Body and underframe castings are progressing well. Everything else is in production or in-stock. The original goal was to injection mold the stanchions and end railings. The long side railings were to be .015" phosphor bronze wire that dropped/glued to the top of the stanchions. However, the injection mold inserts did not produce acceptable parts due the very small detail and cross section. Stanchions will now be cut (by the modeler) from the same wire as the railings and either CA'd or soldered together (your choice). A forming fixture will be supplied to create the (8) corner handholds that are unique to small GEs. While this will require only a little bit more work than the plastic version would have required, the end product will be stronger since everything will be wire and not thin plastic that could easily bend or break with "heavy handed" handling. Extra wire will be included in the kit. For those of you uncomfortable about bending wire to make railings, I will pre-bend (but not assemble) the corners and others for a small fee. Contact me off-list to discuss. If you have not placed an order thru a dealer or with me, time is running out. Even tho I have enough mechanisms to produce 100 kits, I won't make them unless there are orders to fill, so once the initial production orders are shipped, I'll make a few extras and that will be it for a while. Due to the time involved assembling mechanisms, these are made in batches, not singly, so if you order after the production is shipped, you'll have to wait a while until enough backorders accumulate to make another run. Get them while you can. Orders received by April 30th will be part of the initial run; after that, your order will be grouped into the next run which could be a month or more after that. Retail is $325 each plus $10 shipping for 1, $20 for 2 or more. Shipments will begin by the 2nd week of May. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54019	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack

John Keating wrote: > > > > Instead of trying to solder or spot weld Gargraves stainless steel track > I have been using crimp on spade connectors on feeder wires pushed up > from below the rails and into the hollow portion of the rail with great > success. You can install more feeders at any other location just as easily. > John Keating Thanks John, looks like a perfect solution. How far apart do you make these connections, that is, how much track can they power without a noticeable voltage drop or slow down of the engine? Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54020	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Re: VACATION

I'll be gone from tomorrow the 24th till the 29th. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54021	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Leftover Vinyl Roadbed

Last year I had a difficult time in getting my order of road bed made. Now that I have it, all the track is down and I have about 8 pieces leftover. I found a use for one piece this week. Padding for the side of a 6 foot ladder. I need to get on a ladder to wash two Town and Country vans, so the vinyl roadbed was perfect for that, to protect the paint, should the ladder lean into the side of the van!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54022	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: For sale: Crown Models Reefers & Flyonel Christmas cars

Crown Models SR-9505 Clicquot Club reefer #125 (hi-rail version) C-9 Factory New; taken out of box only for the picture. asking $35.00   Crown Models SR-2001 Swift Refrigerator Line reefer #1031 (hi-rail version) C-9 Factory New; taken out of box only for the picture. asking $45.00 Flyonel 48374 Holiday Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99  Flyonel  48375 Stock Car with Reindeer made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99 Flyonel  49046 Animated Santa Caboose made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $84.99 Flyonel  48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99 Flyonel 48554 Bethlehem Steel Gondola with Coil Covers made in 2008   Make me an offer I can't refuse!   Pictures are on my website:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54023	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Lionel U-boat

____________________________________ LIONEL did NOT and does NOT (as of 4 PM Wednesday) have a sample of the GE locomotive on hand. I have asked that a picture be forwarded to me to forward to group when one is available. Jim Lyle **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54024	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Stan Furmanak

Hi Folks, This was posted on the S-Scale list. Knowing we have NASG members on this list, I am posting the message here as well. Ed Eckert, moderator --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Bill Fraley <wjfraley@...> wrote: From: Bill Fraley <wjfraley@...> Subject: {S-Scale List} Stan Furmanak To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 12:12 PM Attention... I have been keeping this private for about a week, but today, Stan asked me to tell you all that he is going in for Brain Tumor Surgery tomorrow morning. Stan has resigned all is positions with the NASG, so do not call, nor E mail him for any NASG business. Stan had been treated for shoulder and headaches for the last year, but after an MRI last Friday they found this 2 X 2 1/2 inch tumor. No one will know the actual circumstances until they go in there and see what is there. We all all praying that it is non-malignant, this is crucial to everything being successful! So we all need to place our prayers on Stan and his family, NOW! More later, Sincerely, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54025	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Pennsylvania Heritage Models, questions about product line

I passed questions along to Tom @ PHM for reply concerning length of RDC & Birney Jim Lyle ____________________________________ Pennsylvania Heritage Models, questions about product line The RDC is 1 window short on each end. We had to do this to permit operation on the Flyer track. The trolley is a double truck Birney and is scale length. Hope to have photos on web shortly. Tom D. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54026	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/23/2009
Subject: Stan Furmanak

I'm posting this on behalf of Bill Fraley for Stan Furmanak. Attention... Stan wants to tell you all that he is going in for Brain Tumor Surgery tomorrow morning (Friday). Stan has resigned all his positions with the NASG, so do not call, or E mail him for any NASG business. Stan had been treated for shoulder pain and headaches for the past year, but after an MRI last Friday they found a 2 X 2 1/2 inch tumor. No one will know the actual circumstances until they go in there and see what is there. We all all praying that it is non-malignant, this is crucial to everything being successful! So we all need to place our prayers on Stan and his family, NOW! More later, Sincerely, Bill Fraley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54027	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack

Dave, My layout is an oval on a 6' x 12' platform, I have only 2 feeders per loop, each feeder supplies about 14' with no voltage loss. Glad to be of assistance. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54028	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stan Furmanak

Bill, Pass on to Stan, that our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. I am sure you will keep us posted as you hear results. He is a valued member of the NASG family. Larry Moore From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Hoffman Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Stan Furmanak I'm posting this on behalf of Bill Fraley for Stan Furmanak. Attention... Stan wants to tell you all that he is going in for Brain Tumor Surgery tomorrow morning (Friday). Stan has resigned all his positions with the NASG, so do not call, or E mail him for any NASG business. Stan had been treated for shoulder pain and headaches for the past year, but after an MRI last Friday they found a 2 X 2 1/2 inch tumor. No one will know the actual circumstances until they go in there and see what is there. We all all praying that it is non-malignant, this is crucial to everything being successful! So we all need to place our prayers on Stan and his family, NOW! More later, Sincerely, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54029	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: Soldering Gargraves Stainless Steel Ttrack

JOHN KEATING wrote: > > Dave, > My layout is an oval on a 6' x 12' platform, I have only 2 feeders per > loop, each feeder supplies about 14' with no voltage loss. Glad to be of > assistance. > John Keating Thanks John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54030	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: AC Gilbert electronics

I have two projects going right now. The first is a K325 Hudson repaint and restoration. While bench testing the rebuilt reverse unit I noticed thet the resistor for the air chime unit gets quite hot. The pyrometer reads 180 to 195 degrees F after about 5 minutes at 15v. While the tender shell makes a great heat sink it still gives me some pause having that kind of heat next to a newly painted shell. The Barker book recommends removing the resistor on diesels. Would the same be true for steamers? The capacitor is 5 mfd and while the airchime makes plenty of sound it is closer to 60hz (b-flat) than 400-600hz so I wonder if that cap is doing anything at all. Try striking an A-440 tuning fork and compare that to the airchime output. The Barker book shows a chart where a 25 mfd capacitor is optimal. I have a few 25mfd 50V caps on hand. Do you think I would do any damage to the original speaker replacing the cap and eliminating the resistor? The second project is a junkbox 710 Steam Whistle Control. I will first test/tune and then rewire a metal tube per Barker's book as I can't get my hands on an original black tube. The return spring on the 710 is broken. Has anyone had any luck bending a new one?... and out of what? Thanks for your help. I'll post before and after pics of the Hudson. It was really a repaint candidate with drips of yellow paint on both the loco and tender. It was the first engine I ever encountered where PB Blaster was required to remove the valve gear screws. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54031	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

Tim   Don't remove the resistor. It is likely to blow the speaker. Most of the caps I have encountered have either gone completely open or dead short. Replacing that should fix your heat issue. The speaker is unlikely to have gone if you can still hear noise from it. The resistor/capacitor and inductance of the speaker should form a filter to remove the sixty hertz from the power on the track and allow the higher frequencies from the generator to come out of the speaker. I'll be glad to send you a tube when I get back. Contact me off line for your shipping information. I am in Tokyo and get back on Sunday so it shouldn't be too long a wait.   Bill Drake almost on the way home to St. Louis. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AC Gilbert electronics To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 9:15 AM I have two projects going right now. The first is a K325 Hudson repaint and restoration. While bench testing the rebuilt reverse unit I noticed thet the resistor for the air chime unit gets quite hot. The pyrometer reads 180 to 195 degrees F after about 5 minutes at 15v. While the tender shell makes a great heat sink it still gives me some pause having that kind of heat next to a newly painted shell. The Barker book recommends removing the resistor on diesels. Would the same be true for steamers? The capacitor is 5 mfd and while the airchime makes plenty of sound it is closer to 60hz (b-flat) than 400-600hz so I wonder if that cap is doing anything at all. Try striking an A-440 tuning fork and compare that to the airchime output. The Barker book shows a chart where a 25 mfd capacitor is optimal. I have a few 25mfd 50V caps on hand. Do you think I would do any damage to the original speaker replacing the cap and eliminating the resistor? The second project is a junkbox 710 Steam Whistle Control. I will first test/tune and then rewire a metal tube per Barker's book as I can't get my hands on an original black tube. The return spring on the 710 is broken. Has anyone had any luck bending a new one?... and out of what? Thanks for your help. I'll post before and after pics of the Hudson. It was really a repaint candidate with drips of yellow paint on both the loco and tender. It was the first engine I ever encountered where PB Blaster was required to remove the valve gear screws. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54032	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

With the restoration of old tube radios we nearly always immediately replace all electrolytic and paper capacitors. They often short out. If they short out they usually take a resistor or two with them, depending on the circuit, and sometimes even transformers (if the set has them). Replace the capacitor before you do anything. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Benner Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AC Gilbert electronics I have two projects going right now. The first is a K325 Hudson repaint and restoration. While bench testing the rebuilt reverse unit I noticed thet the resistor for the air chime unit gets quite hot. The pyrometer reads 180 to 195 degrees F after about 5 minutes at 15v. While the tender shell makes a great heat sink it still gives me some pause having that kind of heat next to a newly painted shell. The Barker book recommends removing the resistor on diesels. Would the same be true for steamers? The capacitor is 5 mfd and while the airchime makes plenty of sound it is closer to 60hz (b-flat) than 400-600hz so I wonder if that cap is doing anything at all. Try striking an A-440 tuning fork and compare that to the airchime output. The Barker book shows a chart where a 25 mfd capacitor is optimal. I have a few 25mfd 50V caps on hand. Do you think I would do any damage to the original speaker replacing the cap and eliminating the resistor? The second project is a junkbox 710 Steam Whistle Control. I will first test/tune and then rewire a metal tube per Barker's book as I can't get my hands on an original black tube. The return spring on the 710 is broken. Has anyone had any luck bending a new one?... and out of what? Thanks for your help. I'll post before and after pics of the Hudson. It was really a repaint candidate with drips of yellow paint on both the loco and tender. It was the first engine I ever encountered where PB Blaster was required to remove the valve gear screws. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54033	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 4/24/2009
Subject: Stan Furmanak

Dear Friends, Linda [Furmanak] phoned me this evening [7:10 PM] and informed me on Stan's operation. Stan's operation was considered successful, however the tumor is cancerous and he will require Chemo - Radiation and eventually rehab. The tumor was removed, but the complication was that they couldn't get the breathing tube down Stan's throat for the operation, so they had to surgically place it through his nose. This will be removed tomorrow as Stan is under sedation and sound asleep until then. Linda said the final prognosis won't be known for several days, but while finding it cancerous is an obvious disappointment, Stan will most likely be coming home for convalescence/rehab on Tuesday 4-28-09. Linda is trained in this type of endeavor so that is a big plus. Linda would like for me to be the intermediary at this time, so please, if you have any questions email me. However, to send cards, flowers and so on, his address is Stan Furmanak - 28 South First Ave. - POB 32 - Annville, Pa. 17003 It is still important to keep Stan and his family in our prayers. Your S Scale Brother, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54034	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

Thanks Bill and Alistair, That was exactly what I needed to know about the airchime cap. That will get replaced tomorrow and I'll post the results. Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54035	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/26/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54036	From: rpuls3	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: operating sessions

Hello group I would like to find a source for information on running an operating session. I will need info on the whole lot from the card system for the rolling stock, how we should set the schedule for the different trains, the whole works. It is hard right now to know the proper questions to ask. Can anybody give me a source for this info, a website, a book, any thing? We are attempting to get a bunch of us geriatrics, myself included, to operate trains rather than just run trains, which we enjoy, but we want to go a little further. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54037	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/25/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

After painting the new house trim and meeting with the deck contractor I was allowed to play. So I replaced the original 5 mfd capacitor with a 5 mfd 35 vdc electrolytic polarized. (marveling at how small it is vs the original and wondering how a non-polarized crossover cap would do in this application) The resistor temp actually got higher, up to 201 F. Maybe the higher reactance of the new cap forced the resistor to handle more of the current? So I re-read chapter VII in the Barker book. He says the 68 ohm resistor (this one is 62) is wired in parallel to bypass the capacitor and allow more signal to pass through the speaker for higher volume. But while it may increase volume it does more in the way of producing destructive heat. Makes sense to me. I can do with a little less whistle volume and a lot less heat. He suggests snipping out the resistor and using a 25 mfd capacitor instead. Looking at his reactance tables at the end of the chapter it seems that the 25mfd with no resistor gives the best balance of speaker volume vs low hum. A little 60 cycle hum is OK with me. It's comes standard in the wire recorder I have been playing with. Does that make sense or am I misunderstanding? Tim Benner Sunburned and wishing I were in York --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Thanks Bill and Alistair, That was exactly what I needed to know about the airchime cap. That will get replaced tomorrow and I'll post the results. > > Tim >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54038	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

I defer to Barker.   Bill Drake Back in St. Louis and jet lagged --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Gilbert electronics To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 9:52 PM After painting the new house trim and meeting with the deck contractor I was allowed to play. So I replaced the original 5 mfd capacitor with a 5 mfd 35 vdc electrolytic polarized. (marveling at how small it is vs the original and wondering how a non-polarized crossover cap would do in this application) The resistor temp actually got higher, up to 201 F. Maybe the higher reactance of the new cap forced the resistor to handle more of the current? So I re-read chapter VII in the Barker book. He says the 68 ohm resistor (this one is 62) is wired in parallel to bypass the capacitor and allow more signal to pass through the speaker for higher volume. But while it may increase volume it does more in the way of producing destructive heat. Makes sense to me. I can do with a little less whistle volume and a lot less heat. He suggests snipping out the resistor and using a 25 mfd capacitor instead. Looking at his reactance tables at the end of the chapter it seems that the 25mfd with no resistor gives the best balance of speaker volume vs low hum. A little 60 cycle hum is OK with me. It's comes standard in the wire recorder I have been playing with. Does that make sense or am I misunderstanding? Tim Benner Sunburned and wishing I were in York --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@ ...> wrote: > > Thanks Bill and Alistair, That was exactly what I needed to know about the airchime cap. That will get replaced tomorrow and I'll post the results. > > Tim > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54039	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Nearly Spree time...

I've been rather quiet on here for a time, kind of saving up the craziness to talk to folks at the Spring S Spree next weekend. I'll be showing my smaller S layout to show off that small layouts can be done. I'll have some Bachmann On30 cars converted to S running, as well as my customized Franklins and Casey Jones on display, as well as a few other things. I also will have a few items on hand for sale, including my #310 Pennsy in DC and "Brunswick Green" and the #370 I've never gotten around to doing, being a steam guy, maybe it can find a new home. Looking forward to seeing a bunch of y'all again! Stumpy Stone...gaining weight in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54040	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions

Hello Ray: Great question! I would like to have access to that information also. Joe In a message dated 4/25/2009 9:19:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rpuls3@... writes: Hello group I would like to find a source for information on running an operating session. I will need info on the whole lot from the card system for the rolling stock, how we should set the schedule for the different trains, the whole works. It is hard right now to know the proper questions to ask. Can anybody give me a source for this info, a website, a book, any thing? We are attempting to get a bunch of us geriatrics, myself included, to operate trains rather than just run trains, which we enjoy, but we want to go a little further. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Ray **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814855x1201410739/aol?red ir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=A prilfooter426NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54041	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Trestle Replacement

I am now the proud owner of 96.153846% of a black #26782 plastic trestle set. What should I do about the missing one? Do they make repros or does anyone have some extra ones to sell? Black would be good but I could paint an orange one. Or is there a good way to make a substitute? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54042	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions

Used to be a lot of articles about this in Model Railroader in the sixties. Look for some old issues. Alas I donated all of mine to a library in Maryland about 10 years ago as I got tired of moving them.   Bill Drake two cups of strong tea and still jet lagged in St. Louis --- On Sun, 4/26/09, UNLV666@... <UNLV666@...> wrote: From: UNLV666@... <UNLV666@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] operating sessions To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:31 AM Hello Ray: Great question! I would like to have access to that information also. Joe In a message dated 4/25/2009 9:19:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rpuls3@yahoo. com writes: Hello group I would like to find a source for information on running an operating session. I will need info on the whole lot from the card system for the rolling stock, how we should set the schedule for the different trains, the whole works. It is hard right now to know the proper questions to ask. Can anybody give me a source for this info, a website, a book, any thing? We are attempting to get a bunch of us geriatrics, myself included, to operate trains rather than just run trains, which we enjoy, but we want to go a little further. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Ray ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!(http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x122081 4855x1201410739/ aol?red ir=http://www.freecred itreport. com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072& hmpgID=62& bcd=A prilfooter426NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54043	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement

Matthew   Which one are you missing? I have a box of miscellaneous pieces and may have one to match. In black there are at least two types. One before Pikemaster and one after. Which kind of track will you be using? If I don't have your missing piece someone else on the list probably does.   As a substitute, I have used a piece of 2 x 4 cut to the correct length, painted concrete gray and pencil lined to look like a concrete pier. The trestles are numbered on a cross member at the base - this will confirm the missing piece, or just measure the heights of the adjacent piers and send them along.   Bill Drake still jet lagged in St. Louis --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trestle Replacement To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:09 AM I am now the proud owner of 96.153846% of a black #26782 plastic trestle set. What should I do about the missing one? Do they make repros or does anyone have some extra ones to sell? Black would be good but I could paint an orange one. Or is there a good way to make a substitute? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54044	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement

Bill - I am searching for a #5 pre-Pikemaster, preferably black. 2x4 piece is a great idea for Plan B. Thanks for the quick post. ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:51:48 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle Replacement Matthew Which one are you missing? I have a box of miscellaneous pieces and may have one to match. In black there are at least two types. One before Pikemaster and one after. Which kind of track will you be using? If I don't have your missing piece someone else on the list probably does. As a substitute, I have used a piece of 2 x 4 cut to the correct length, painted concrete gray and pencil lined to look like a concrete pier. The trestles are numbered on a cross member at the base - this will confirm the missing piece, or just measure the heights of the adjacent piers and send them along. Bill Drake still jet lagged in St. Louis --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Trestle Replacement To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:09 AM I am now the proud owner of 96.153846% of a black #26782 plastic trestle set. What should I do about the missing one? Do they make repros or does anyone have some extra ones to sell? Black would be good but I could paint an orange one. Or is there a good way to make a substitute? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54045	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement

Got it in the misc box. Yours for the postage cost. Contact me off list at ee_train@... with address information.   Bill --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle Replacement To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 10:28 AM Bill - I am searching for a #5 pre-Pikemaster, preferably black. 2x4 piece is a great idea for Plan B. Thanks for the quick post. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:51:48 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle Replacement Matthew Which one are you missing? I have a box of miscellaneous pieces and may have one to match. In black there are at least two types. One before Pikemaster and one after. Which kind of track will you be using? If I don't have your missing piece someone else on the list probably does. As a substitute, I have used a piece of 2 x 4 cut to the correct length, painted concrete gray and pencil lined to look like a concrete pier. The trestles are numbered on a cross member at the base - this will confirm the missing piece, or just measure the heights of the adjacent piers and send them along. Bill Drake still jet lagged in St. Louis --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Trestle Replacement To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:09 AM I am now the proud owner of 96.153846% of a black #26782 plastic trestle set. What should I do about the missing one? Do they make repros or does anyone have some extra ones to sell? Black would be good but I could paint an orange one. Or is there a good way to make a substitute? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54046	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement

Well, WHAT number section are you missing??? Jim "back from York" Lyle In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:42:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mkperks@... writes: I am now the proud owner of 96.153846% of a black #26782 plastic trestle set. What should I do about the missing one? Do they make repros or does anyone have some extra ones to sell? Black would be good but I could paint an orange one. Or is there a good way to make a substitute? Thank you very much. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54047	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

Take out the polarized cap before it blows up. Very nasty when they let go. You are dealing with AC, and need a non-polarized cap. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:04 AM , Bill Drake wrote: > I defer to Barker.   > Bill Drake > Back in St. Louis and jet lagged > > --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > > From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Gilbert electronics > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > > > After painting the new house trim and meeting with the deck contractor > I was allowed to play. So I replaced the original 5 mfd capacitor with > a 5 mfd 35 vdc electrolytic polarized. (marveling at how small it is > vs the original and wondering how a non-polarized crossover cap would > do in this application) The resistor temp actually got higher, up to > 201 F. Maybe the higher reactance of the new cap forced the resistor > to handle more of the current? So I re-read chapter VII in the Barker > book. He says the 68 ohm resistor (this one is 62) is wired in > parallel to bypass the capacitor and allow more signal to pass through > the speaker for higher volume. But while it may increase volume it > does more in the way of producing destructive heat. Makes sense to me. > I can do with a little less whistle volume and a lot less heat. He > suggests snipping out the resistor and using a 25 mfd capacitor > instead. > Looking at his reactance tables at the end of the chapter it seems > that the 25mfd with no resistor gives the best balance of speaker > volume vs low hum. A little 60 cycle hum is OK with me. It's comes > standard in the wire recorder I have been playing with. > Does that make sense or am I misunderstanding? > > Tim Benner > Sunburned and wishing I were in York > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@ ...> > wrote: >> >> Thanks Bill and Alistair, That was exactly what I needed to know >> about the airchime cap. That will get replaced tomorrow and I'll post >> the results. >> >> Tim >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54048	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions

Hi Ray,   ====== Hello group I would like to find a source for information on running an operating session. I will need info on the whole lot from the card system for the rolling stock, how we should set the schedule for the different trains, the whole works. It is hard right now to know the proper questions to ask. Can anybody give me a source for this info, a website, a book, any thing? We are attempting to get a bunch of us geriatrics, myself included, to operate trains rather than just run trains, which we enjoy, but we want to go a little further. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Ray ======   No need to reinvent the wheel. There is another group on yahoogroups.com dedicated to that very purpose. ry-ops-industrialsig@yahoogroups.com   The group is not scale-related and discusses any topic on operations for op sessions to detailed information on traffic flow and the detais involved. They also have a Primer on Operations to help the beginner start their own op sessions. The address is; http://www.opsig.org/primer/   There is a TON of information in their files section. You do not have to join the group to join the Yahoo group or access the information but I did because they also publish a GREAT quarterly called the Dispatcher's Office. with more info on operations.   If you are interested in car-cards and waybill information, there is another group dedicated to that portion of operations as well, carcards@yahoogroups.com   They even have several FREE programs in their files systems for both traffic generation and computer-generated car cards.   I am a member of both groups as well as the Callboard group that helps operators find layout owners. For example, I live in a very rural area with no local modelers. I add my layout to the Callboard and the moderator will forward any emails from members interested in joining my op sessions. If they show they are interested in my style of operating, I send them a crewcall notice, (invitation) about my op sessions and they respond yes or no if they plan to attend.   I will also be happy to try to answer any questions if I can. I model both HO scale operations and I am currently building an S-Scale American Flyer layout to operate my collection that has been idle for way too long. Check out my old HO layout at; http://kc.pennsyrr.com/layouts/kulp/   The photos are from my old layout but a new layout is currently under construction. I also enjoy the comapny of anyone interested in trains or model railroading. Employment "opportunities" are available on the construction crew for both scales <grin>   Regards, Nick Kulp TCA- 05-59603 NMRA Member since 1976 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54049	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Trestle Replacement

I have a lot of "EXTRA" pieces. Which one do you need? Steve In a message dated 04/26/2009 12:28:48 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: Well, WHAT number section are you missing??? Jim "back from York" Lyle In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:42:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _mkperks@..._ (mailto:mkperks@...) writes: I am now the proud owner of 96.153846% of a black #26782 plastic trestle set. What should I do about the missing one? Do they make repros or does anyone have some extra ones to sell? Black would be good but I could paint an orange one. Or is there a good way to make a substitute? Thank you very much. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links ************************<WBR>**Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54050	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: operating sessions

Hello friends, An old operating bible I have enjoyed is "How to Operate Your Model Railroad" by Bruce A. Chubb. A more current volume is "Realistic Model Railroad Operation: How to Run Your Trains Like the Real Thing." You can find references to both on Amazon.com. Chubb is a long time operating guru, and his book came out years ago. I have found copies in local public libraries, so you might try your area library for a copy. Koester is also a well known model railroad magazine editor and author, and his book is still readily available. It sounds like you already have a layout or, at least, are not planning to build a complex operating model railroad; however, if you wish to get into layout design with emphasis on realistic operation, both Koester and John Armstrong, another icon of model railroad operation, have books about that. I believe all except Chubb's are currently in print, Kalmbach books. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR rpuls3 wrote: Hello group I would like to find a source for information on running an operating session. I will need info on the whole lot from the card system for the rolling stock, how we should set the schedule for the different trains, the whole works. It is hard right now to know the proper questions to ask. Can anybody give me a source for this info, a website, a book, any thing? We are attempting to get a bunch of us geriatrics, myself included, to operate trains rather than just run trains, which we enjoy, but we want to go a little further. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54051	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 6703

Yorkin" Good weather on Wednesday at NTTM (discount the infrequent showers), great weather Thursday thru Saturday, warmer each day. LOTS of parking everywhere. Debbie Geiser and her crew did an excellent prep job, the York Committee obviously excelled also. I SHOULD have taken Debbie's suggestion and signed up for more tables in the Orange Hall, But, the crew around us was a GREAT group of people. Great to greet old and new friends as Clem says. The National Staff & Crew and E&M Crew under Charlie Hirschmann did a great job on Wednesday and thru the week. Unfortunately this is reality day, tomorrow I have to deal with USPO over their inability to estimate shipping costs with the package in hand to measure and weigh ( HUH)?? Surprisingly, my GCM ( Generally Clueless Motors) van got it's best mileage to date, WITH the factory built in misfire. Jim "gotta go mow" Lyle In a message dated 4/26/2009 2:35:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes: There are 10 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. April 25 in Railroad History – last steam on the Canadian National From: jlechner2001 2a. Scott's O&N and York From: Robert M. Blackson 2b. Scott's O&N and York From: Neil Blumberg 3. top eBay completed model trains (week ending 4-25) From: Dave Margulius 4. Trainminder From: W Wm Spiegel 5a. The York Experience From: bgmilstead1260 6a. K-Line info From: jlechner2001 7a. where to find cheap rr items From: jlechner2001 7b. where to find cheap rr items From: emazur531@... 8a. Yorking From: Clem Clement Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1. April 25 in Railroad History – last steam on the Canadian National Posted by: "jlechner2001" Joseph.Lechner@... jlechner2001 Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:59 am ((PDT)) I am just old enough to remember seeing steam locomotives running in mainline service on the Canadian National during the late 1950s. The New York Central was already completely dieselized, so it was a treat to drive through southern Ontario en route to visit my grandparents in the Detroit area. I have vivid memories of waiting for a streamlined U1f "Bullet nosed Betty" at a railroad crossing. On this date in 1960, CNR #6043 made the last scheduled run of a steam locomotive on the Canadian National Railway. She hauled train 76 the last 205 miles of its 380-mile run from The Pas (Dauphin) to Winnipeg, Manitoba. CNR #6043 was built in 1929 by the Canadian Locomotive Works at Kingston, Ontario. She was one of five class U1d Mountains built that year. She measured 86' 2.5" and weighed 290 tons. Her oil-fired boiler operated at 250 psi and developed 50,300 pounds of tractive effort. CNR acquired its first 4-8-2, #6000, in 1923. The road eventually owned 286 engines with that wheel arrangement. Class U1 had six sub-classes: Sixteen class U1a (1923) Twenty-one class U1b (1924) Five class U1c (1925) for subsidiary Grand Trunk Western Five class U1d (1929) Twelve class U1e (1930) Twenty class U1f (1944), CNR's only streamlined locos #6043 hauled the CNR's last scheduled steam-powered train on this date in 1960, but her final run occurred a year later, when she hauled an excursion for the Manitoba Travel and Convention Association. CNR #6043 is displayed in Winnipeg's Assiniboine Park. Farewell to steam in CNR's magazine "Keeping Track" http://www.winnipeg.ca/cms/ape/locomotive/story.stm Joseph Lechner Messages in this topic (1) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2a. Scott's O&N and York Posted by: "Robert M. Blackson" blackson@... Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:00 am ((PDT)) Scott's Odds-n-Ends was on my list of necessary stops for York, but I could not find him. The Orange Hall directory sheet had him listed for HH-08 but showed Scenic Express in HH-08 on the diagram. I saw the large display area of Scenic Express but after walking all the aisles did not see Scott's Odds-n-Ends anywhere in Orange Hall. The other two dealers on my "must stop" list also proved to be disappointing--one in Orange as early in the show as Thursday afternoon did not have on hand a full box, eight pieces for a full circle, of GarGraves Phantom Line 32" diameter sectional track. He agreed to mail it to me and eat the shipping, but come on, this is York, and I'm ready for the track now. All the original extra cars (1976), mint in the boxes, for the Lionel Capital [sic]* Limited set at $35 a pop salvaged what was otherwise a pretty ho-hum York. Part of White Hall was curtained off and empty, and the parking areas certainly were not as full as in earlier years. *The "Lionel 'O' 1975" catalogue lists set No. 6-1587 at the "Capital Limited," but the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad carded this train, which had its first run on May 13, 1923, as the Capitol Limited. Bob Blackson Messages in this topic (2) ________________________________________________________________________ 2b. Scott's O&N and York Posted by: "Neil Blumberg" nblumber@... neil_blumberg Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:41 pm ((PDT)) Scott's sent out an email that they wouldn't be attending at the last minute and will be at Fall York. Neil Messages in this topic (2) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 3. top eBay completed model trains (week ending 4-25) Posted by: "Dave Margulius" dmargulius@... dmargulius Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:03 am ((PDT)) Hi Folks: fyi, here's the past week's top 40 completed eBay model trains auctions (as of today). Have a good weekend, Dave For direct links, go to this page and choose completed auctions from the 'status' pulldown menu: http://www.collectorsweekly.com/model-trains <http://www.collectorsweekly.com/model-trains> 1) Rare Voltamp #2210 Suburban Locomotive - $3,816 - (#280332330986) 2) American Flyer #20470 Nyc Pacemaker Set (1958 Only) - $3,736 - (#140315245308) 3) Marklin Hs700 Vintage 700 800 Elok M??rklin 1940 1930 - $3,176 - (#110375980354) 4) Lgb Locomotive 20821 New Rare - $3,080 - (#320360779492) 5) M4648 Aster Jnr C62/2 4-6-4 (1978) Live Steam Engine - $2,995 - (#180344857781) 6) Chessie M-1 Tuirbine Steam Engine- Brass- Omi- Ho-nib - $2,650 - (#230336838675) 7) Small N Scale Train Collection Micro Trains Kato Atlas - $2,550 - (#270374999214) 8) Lionel 1464w "anniversary" Set With Original Boxes - $2,226 - (#300306901309) 9) Lionel 2245 Ab Mkt.. Texas Special Mtob, Super/unrun - $2,000 - (#180346129233) 10) Lionel 1960's Boxed Santa Fe Superchief Alum. Pass Set- - $2,000 - (#140313888240) 11) Lionel 2144w Passenger Set W/ 2332 Gg-1 Madison Cars - $1,875 - (#300306934726) 12) Rare Voltamp #2120 United Electric Trolley - 1910 - $1,800 - (#280332331234) 13) Lionel Super O Train Set #2521ws 746 Steamer 6 Carfrt - $1,795 - (#380116894150) 14) Lionel 13004 Hiawatha Steam Loco. W/ 4-car Pass. Set L - $1,667 - (#260393338996) 15) Postwar Lionel #2368 B Ab F3 Baltimore Ohio Gray - $1,600 - (#300306753080) 16) Prr Passenger Consist O Scale 2-rail - $1,584 - (#190300423443) 17) Mth Blue Comet Set 10-1112-1 4-car Passenger Set - $1,551 - (#130299556634) 18) Lgb 20570 20582 F7-aba Santa Fe Diesel Set New C-10 - $1,440 - (#180346090177) 19) Virginian Railway 2-6-6-6 Overland - New, Unopened - $1,426 - (#190300309247) 20) Ho Brass Glacier Park T I-1-ar 2-10-4 #610 Mint - $1,350 - (#110374737301) 21) Lionel 28085 N 2-8-8-2 Y6b Mallet Steam Loco Ln/box - $1,325 - (#330322069209) 22) Brass Up Big Boy Custom Painted Ush Made In Japan - $1,300 - (#300309694708) 23) Lionel New York Central Commodore Vanderbilt 3 Car Set - $1,299 - (#110377172490) 24) Lgb 21872 Pennsylvania Mikado - $1,285 - (#230337689441) 25) Westside, Santa Fe "big Three" 5001, 2900, 3460 Class - $1,275 - (#300308708351) 26) Mth Tinplate Red Ives 1134 Steamer With 4 Red Blue Cars - $1,275 - (#110377156786) 27) Brass Ho Samhongsa At Santa Fe #1398 (4-4-6-2) Mint - $1,275 - (#170321524775) 28) Accucraft 97026 Sp S-12 0-6-0 Live Steam Loco. Ex - $1,250 - (#260393314256) 29) Virginian Railway 2-10-10-2 Custom Brass -new Old Stock - $1,238 - (#190300303332) 30) Aster Live Steam "schools Class" Locomotive - $1,200 - (#290311715602) 31) Brass Ho: C 4-8-4 Class H-1f/p N.i.b. By Ci - $1,200 - (#130299560082) 32) Mint New Haven, Nh, Overland Ef-3 Electric Motor #159 - $1,200 - (#120405497493) 33) Mth Tinplate Presidential Blue Brass 4689 Electric Set - $1,200 - (#110377483916) 34) *rare* Prr Concrete Coal Tower Omi Ho Brass *l@@k* - $1,145 - (#250407314087) 35) Lionel West Side Lumber Shay Steam Engine 6-28022 *new* - $1,137 - (#140314426321) 36) Maroon Top Lackawanna Outfit 2223w 1954 With All Boxes - $1,095 - (#110377970463) 37) N Scale Brass Oriental Up Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 Big Boy - $1,085 - (#220393240006) 38) 10001 Brawa Steamer Rhb G4/5 Gauge I / Lgb - Must See - $1,045 - (#330322762856) 39) Lionel Standard Gauge State Set 381e 4 Passenger Cars - $1,035 - (#110377163525) 40) Huge Lionel Standard Train Collection No Reserve - $1,025 - (#200331378432) fyi -> if you want to get this list delivered directly to your email each week, sign up here: http://www.collectorsweekly.com/newsletter?search_key=model-trains-top <http://www.collectorsweekly.com/newsletter?search_key=model-trains-top> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (1) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 4. Trainminder Posted by: "W Wm Spiegel" wayne@... lion3l Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:41 pm ((PDT)) I have used the Trainminder program since I received the program and I think it is a very good product. It allows pictures of the trains you collect to be uploaded into the program and it provides 'stock' pictures for some of the items as well, in case you don't have your own photo. I enjoy having the price entered into a data base which I believe will give a more accurate picture of the value and going price of the item, than using only a price guide book by itself. The program grows upon itself, as more people participate it will become more valuable. As yet there is not a guide for MTH product, but I was able to import my former program TrainTracker which allowed me to enter information from that program including catalog numbers and some other useful info. Wayne Spiegel People are as happy as they make their minds up, to be. A Lincoln Messages in this topic (1) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 5a. The York Experience Posted by: "bgmilstead1260" bgmilstead1260@... bgmilstead1260 Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:41 pm ((PDT)) The good news items: Large crowds of happy people, Prices coming back down to REALITY, away from the FANTASY of "the book", good weather, (Other than some wind on Thursday) lots of good items offered. The bad news item: Gawkers stopping short in the CENTER of the walking asiles, to gaze around vacantly, as if lost. I walked right into a number of these over two days. One step to one side or the other would be a HUGE help to keep pedestrian traffic flowing! Aside from a couple of dozen such body slams, it was a great Meet! Barry G. Milstead Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 6a. K-Line info Posted by: "jlechner2001" Joseph.Lechner@... jlechner2001 Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:42 pm ((PDT)) << Does anyone recall when K-Line produced either an F-7 or F-10 in MetroNorth (MNCRR)colors? Or what the MSRP was? Thomas Tillson >> < The 2000 K-Line catalog had an F-7 and matching coaches in Metro North colors. K-Line's F7 was full-featured (two motors; TMCC; Rail Sounds) and rather pricy (I think $400 for a single unit engine). I'll double-check tonight. > In the 2000 K-Line catalog, a Metro North F7 listed for $250 and a four-car set of matching 15" aluminum coaches was $400. Joseph Lechner Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 7a. where to find cheap rr items Posted by: "jlechner2001" Joseph.Lechner@... jlechner2001 Date: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:54 pm ((PDT)) < i am asking for good places to find cheap rr items. good auction places but not ebay. domi > Lately, my best "finds" have been at local TCA meets and at other train shows. Joseph Lechner Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 7b. where to find cheap rr items Posted by: "emazur531@..." emazur531@... 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54052	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/26/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54053	From: Robert Comerford	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Track for HI-rail

Hi guys, am I correct in assuming that the SHS track has the lowest height rail (in a rtr track)that will run the Hi-rail wheels from AM and SHS? I realise that I could use lower height rail if I built it myself. I am looking at the possible use of my S outdoors and considering using the larger flanged equipment for reliability sake in that environment. regards Bob Comerford Australia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54054	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail

Works for me! Gilbert wheels too. Not sure if it's the lowest though. I'm no expert! :^) Rick. > Hi guys, am I correct in assuming that the SHS track has the lowest > height rail (in a rtr track)that will run the Hi-rail wheels from AM > and SHS? > I realise that I could use lower height rail if I built it myself. > regards > Bob Comerford > Australia > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54055	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail

----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Comerford Hi guys, am I correct in assuming that the SHS track has the lowest height rail (in a rtr track)that will run the Hi-rail wheels from AM and SHS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------Response---------- Do you own one SHS or AM highrail wheelset? Measure the flange depth. Code 100 rail is 0.100 inch high. Allowing something for the little over-scale spikes, I think you will still find clearance. But before you have 1000 meters of code 100 flex track, Shinohara or Tomalco, sent all that distance on faith in my claim that it will work, get a little sample of said track, just 30 cm or so, and verify it for yourself. I could probably send you a small piece. Note this is for current AM & SHS wheels. AF wheels have considerably deeper flanges, and they will not run on code 100 track. But that's the easy part. What about frogs at turnouts, and other flangeways? The real incompatibility between scale and highrail track & wheels is in the wheel's flange WIDTH and the trackwork's flangeways. Even if you can run highrail trains on code 100 track, you need to figure out what you'r going to do for turnouts. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54056	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

I truly appreciate your concern, having had some of the same thoughts myself. I used to have to replace caps regularly in the woofer/horn crossover in Voice of the Theatre system... upwards of 700 watts they would let go and leave a gooey oily mess. So I may try a non-polarized in another project. But for this application bear in mind that the original is a polarized 5mfd 25v cap. Replacements are polarized. I think Barker's book has been around 30 or more years and he makes no mention of non-polarized caps (not sure NP caps were widely available in the 70s). He mentions that polarity is not important in this AC system. Will all of that in mind I still shared your concern so I ran the circuit with only the 25 mfd 35V polarized cap with no resistor (Barker's recommendation) for several hours this afternoon. It ran between 10 and 15V while I was assembling an array of rectifiers for dropping voltage to the can motor. And then buffing the bright parts for the same Hudson. I always burn in any circuit before reassembling for use. The result after close to 3 hours was no heat, a little hum and a raspy airchime sound (just like I remember in the 326 of my youth) so I buttoned up the tender. Like the OEM wax paper cap it replaced, it will surely degrade and fail over time but I don't think it will blow up anytime soon. I'll certainly post if it does. Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, yabo1@... wrote: > > Take out the polarized cap before it blows up. Very nasty when they let > go. You are dealing with AC, and need a non-polarized cap. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54057	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail

Bob, From my experience, the answer is yes.  The flyer stuff may hit the 'spikes' but the AM and S-Helper stuff negotiate it just fine. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX ________________________________ From: Robert Comerford <bobcom52@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:30:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Track for HI-rail Hi guys, am I correct in assuming that the SHS track has the lowest height rail (in a rtr track)that will run the Hi-rail wheels from AM and SHS? I realise that I could use lower height rail if I built it myself. I am looking at the possible use of my S outdoors and considering using the larger flanged equipment for reliability sake in that environment. regards Bob Comerford Australia ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54058	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert electronics

Tim-   My experience is that blow up occurs with overvoltage. With AC it just stops being a capacitor and acts like an open circuit - or goes short - depends on how the electrolyte breaks down. I have a source for non polarized ceramic caps and have been replacing the old Gilbert ones with them. Raspyness is helped by very clean wheels and track.   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Gilbert electronics To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 8:17 PM I truly appreciate your concern, having had some of the same thoughts myself. I used to have to replace caps regularly in the woofer/horn crossover in Voice of the Theatre system... upwards of 700 watts they would let go and leave a gooey oily mess. So I may try a non-polarized in another project. But for this application bear in mind that the original is a polarized 5mfd 25v cap. Replacements are polarized. I think Barker's book has been around 30 or more years and he makes no mention of non-polarized caps (not sure NP caps were widely available in the 70s). He mentions that polarity is not important in this AC system. Will all of that in mind I still shared your concern so I ran the circuit with only the 25 mfd 35V polarized cap with no resistor (Barker's recommendation) for several hours this afternoon. It ran between 10 and 15V while I was assembling an array of rectifiers for dropping voltage to the can motor. And then buffing the bright parts for the same Hudson. I always burn in any circuit before reassembling for use. The result after close to 3 hours was no heat, a little hum and a raspy airchime sound (just like I remember in the 326 of my youth) so I buttoned up the tender. Like the OEM wax paper cap it replaced, it will surely degrade and fail over time but I don't think it will blow up anytime soon. I'll certainly post if it does. Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, yabo1@... wrote: > > Take out the polarized cap before it blows up. Very nasty when they let > go. You are dealing with AC, and need a non-polarized cap. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54059	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Moment of Silence

I hereby ask for a moment of silence, as the last standing plasticville type phone booth at York is now gone. It seems at one time there where TWO plasticville phonebooths at York, as the one by the cafeteria was dearly departed several years ago. Now, I must sadly report to you all that the lonely phonebooth by the medical station is now too gone. It must of happen sometime between last April and this April as I was not at York last October and no one said a word if it was gone. And I really needed to use that phonebooth on Saturday to call a TCA member on his cellphone, that sadly is the main reason why phonebooths that look like plasticville phone booths are disappearing very fast. Not only are there no phone booths, there are no wall type pay phones at the fairgrounds I believe. And sadly, I could not be reach my friend to purchase his AF 4B transformer he lugged all the way from Pittsburgh, PA for maybe 10 to 15 dollars. As it turns out, he was not on the fairgrounds that Saturday as his cellphone was a complete bust. When have you heard that those trusty phone booths at York never worked I ask you? And when did you ever see a line at those phone booths? So any, as I did pick up TWO plasticville phone booths at York in memory of those dearly departed trusty old phonebooth friends of mine, as I do not use a cellphone for many reason, they will be immortalized on my layout with the other 20 or so phonebooths on my layout. And last April, I happen to take many different pictures of that Phone booth as that phone booth hopefully will be used in a future comic for Zippy. And now, I ask for a moment of silence for my friends, the phonebooths as they will be missed very much. I am just so emotional right now. Thank You, Mike Marmer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54060	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Moment of Silence

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I hereby ask for a moment of silence, as the last standing plasticville > type phone booth at York is now gone. Having worked in telecom for over 32 years, I saw the passing of the pay phone with great sadness. It was a ubiquitous object, seen on many street corners and a great revenue producer for many years but alas, the cell phone with all it's nasty habits drove the last nail in the coffin. I have two 3 slot rotary dial pay phones, one mounted on the wall in my workshop that really works. ;-) Just out of curiosity, who carries S scale pay phone booths? I would like to add one or two to my layout but need the outdoor type. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54061	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: For sale: CM Clicquot Club and 6 Flyonel freights; all NIB

The Crown Models Swift Reefer has sold, but I still have the Clicquot Club reefer. Flyonel freights: #48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint #48554 Bethlehem Steel Gondola with Coil Covers made in 2008. C-10 mint #48723 Santa Fe Boom Car made in 2003. C-10 mint #48374 Holiday Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint #48375 Stock Car with Reindeer made in 2008.  C-10 mint #49046 Animated Santa Caboose made in 2008.  C-10 mint Pictures are on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html Make me an offer I can't refuse! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54062	From: Robert Comerford	Date: 4/26/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail

Hi Tom, No I dont own an AM hi-rail wheelset only a set of SHS ones. Yes the SHS ones will run on code 100, particularly if it is of soldered construction as I generally make my homemade track. The points, you are correct ,but I am capable of making my own if needed. I am mainly concerned with having the option of using commercial flex track for part of the layout and thus I am looking at what is the smallest rail section offered in a flextrack.I may then choose to use that section for my own construction. I have samples of Tomalco and Shinohara on hand thanks Tom. regards Bob Comerford Australia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54063	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail

Hi Bob: I think I have read and heard that code 125 is probably the lowest you should go. SHS and AM equipment should handle that relatively easily. I also think that ACGilbert had two different sized flanges, and code 125 might be a little problematic with the ones with deeper flanges. I had some Miller tie strip with, I believe code 126 nickel silver rail, and that handled the AF stuff (one or two bounced a little). I must admit I didn't use it very much since I packed it up when I moved to Norway. Here I have used pretty much SHS track (with some slightly higher AM brass), and haven't had problems with the SHS, AM, or PRS rolling stock, etc. My AF stuff is packed away. If you will have visitors with Gilbert stuff, however, then I think anything lower than the code 125 could be problematic. Good luck. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Robert Comerford wrote: > > > Hi guys, am I correct in assuming that the SHS track has the lowest > height rail (in a rtr track)that will run the Hi-rail wheels from AM > and SHS? > I realise that I could use lower height rail if I built it myself. I > am looking at the possible use of my S outdoors and considering using > the larger flanged equipment for reliability sake in that environment. > regards > Bob Comerford > Australia > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54064	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Track for Hi-rail

As a former garden railway guy in G scale and 7/8" scale and now an S Hi-rail guy, the answer is YES to SHS track. It will run Gilbert wheels with ease and also scale wheelsets. The switches (turnouts) work with all of the cars and locos made without the problems associated with other switches. However, in going outdoors, let me recommend from experiance the Hi-rail wheels and couplers for reliablity, especially the wheels. The outdoor enviroment is quite harsh and wind will blow trains right off the track, or at least derail them sometimes. Even a small twing from a tree or bush would scale out to the size of a tree trunk in S, so so "hedge your bet." Also, I'm not sure that any of the S track systems are made of UV resistant plastics, since the manufacturers probably haven't foreseen that possible usage! A good coat of paint will help create a barrier between sun and plastic. Also the rail joints may be a problem, so soldering will may be a good idea from the start. However, you must plan for rail expansion due to heat as well, so at a couple of points you will have to allow the track to slide a bit to make up for this or you'll kink the rails. Going outdoors with indoor trains requires a lot of thought, but can be done if you plan smartly. Stumpy Stone...been there, done that, had fun...Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54065	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail

Flyer will run effortlessly on SHS track. I know this because in spite of my best efforts, Flyer and Flyonel ends up on a large layout I was once in charge of. I ran exclusively SHS cars because of the minimal drag in comparision to Flyer and Flyonel wheelsets. Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:47:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, flier61@... writes: Bob, From my experience, the answer is yes. The flyer stuff may hit the 'spikes' but the AM and S-Helper stuff negotiate it just fine. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX ________________________________ From: Robert Comerford <bobcom52@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:30:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Track for HI-rail Hi guys, am I correct in assuming that the SHS track has the lowest height rail (in a rtr track)that will run the Hi-rail wheels from AM and SHS? I realise that I could use lower height rail if I built it myself. I am looking at the possible use of my S outdoors and considering using the larger flanged equipment for reliability sake in that environment. regards Bob Comerford Australia ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54066	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Wilbur ("Will" Farley

Gentlemen -- I have a request from John Morgan of the Chatham & Dist. Model Railway Club in England for information on Will Farley, who was an S gauger in the USA until the late 1970s, then moved to Ramsgate, England, where he died in 2005. His will required that his S equipment be donated “to an organisation where they will be appreciated." The organization selected by his executor was the Chatham & Dist. Model Railway Club. Briefly, the Chatham Club's request is for any information on Will. I have provided the Club with a copy of Will's biosketch in the "Personal Glimpses" column of the "S Gauge Herald" for Winter 1970, and am about to make PDFs of Will's various "Herald" articles, as requested by the Club. If any of you have any additional material by or about Wilbur Farley, or records of railroad-oriented clubs to which he had belonged, the Chatham CLub would like to have copies. I will be pleased to act as agent for forwarding the materials to the Chatham Club. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54067	From: Robert Comerford	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Re: Track for HI-rail

Many thanks for all the helpful replies both on and off group. The outdoor environment is indeed a less forgiving one. I know the equivalent to the hi-rail wheel in HO and O has proven to be more forgiving than those with smaller flanges when those scales are taken outside. The chances of having any Flyer run on the line are very slim but it is nice to know that it can be accomodated. regards Bob Comerford Australia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54068	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: On Stan Furmanak

I just received a phone call from Stan, he sounds terrific! Stan is home, he sent out this email and I wanted to let you all read it. Praise the Lord and all His blessings. Thanks for all your well wishes and prayers, Bill (Please do not contact Stan regarding anything with the NASG. Stan is still getting NASG mail.) From Stan Furmanak ...... Guys- I came home today. Yippee! Basically, the tumor in my left brain 5cm x 5 cm x 4.5cm was removed but very tiny cells near the spinal column were not touched. I did not wake up until Saturday morning but felt good enough for lunch and walking around, talked to family and friends, ate a nice turkey dinner, talked some more. Did not lay down all day until 8:30 PM when my wife left. Noisy place! Nurses and docs too much talking. Did not fall asleep all night. No pain; no discomfort. No painkillers needed; minimal pain and my arthritis is fine now too. Got up at 5:30 AM and washed up and waited for breakfast. Did some walking too. They moved me away from the desk and down to a room facing the east. Very quiet. Had family and friends all day, ate well, walked around for 15 min 3 times. Did nicely. Tried to sleep last night at 10:00 PM. Breathing nicely, excellent BP. Wonderful. Could not sleep so turned on the TV at 11:30 PM and watched until very tried at 2:30 AM so I was able to sleep until 4:00 AM. Got up at 5:15 AM and washed up and waited for the beautiful sunrise I could see. Doc comes in at 6:45 Monday morning and asks if I want to go home. Yes! So I was able to leave at 11:00 after more PT and Occ Therapy stuff. Was able to stop in Manheim for a nice turkey sandwich and crab soup. Got home at 2:00 and made phone calls. Had little Chinese for supper and am hoping I can sleep easy tonight and walk up refreshed. I have radiation planned Mon - Friday every day for 6 week straights to remove tiny finger cancer cells. No chemo is being planned right now. Then a total body scan 2 weeks after the radiation to make sure my brain is cancer free. So, I am home and will be BORED! But I feel good! I will do some stuff! THANKS for your prayers! Stan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54069	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: non York Halls highlights

Some selected highlights over the weekend in York, PA for the TCA meet. 1. Driving down US 30 right by I-83, at Midnight, we where behind a trailer full of light brown and white steers as the trailer had MD tags. Why are these steer from MD out at Midnight? LOL 2. Right after that we made a wrong turn getting back to the hotel and ended up driving by the York Casket Company at midnight. Strange way to end a evening. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54070	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/27/2009
Subject: Operating sessions

I just want to thank everyone for the information posted for getting started with operating sessions. I can see now that it is quite involved but looks to be great fun.  Thank you all again, what a great group.                                                                 Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54071	From: Mark Hoffman	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: non York Halls highlights

Hi Mike, We have a number of meat packing plants in our area of upper Montgomery County, PA (between Allentown and Philly) and it is common to see cattle being transported by truck as the processing is round the clock. Best, Mark On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Some selected highlights over the weekend in York, PA for the TCA > meet. > > 1. Driving down US 30 right by I-83, at Midnight, we where behind a > trailer full of light brown and white steers as the trailer had MD > tags. Why are these steer from MD out at Midnight? LOL > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54072	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: non York Halls highlights

Q.:  Why are those brown steers in a truck at midnight? A.:  Obviously, the little mohair pads on their hooves are worn off and they couldn't make it up the AF vibrating ramp to the stock car, thus, they had to hitch a ride on a truck!!  (p.s., Don't tell them where they're going.) Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:44:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] non York Halls highlights Some selected highlights over the weekend in York, PA for the TCA meet. 1. Driving down US 30 right by I-83, at Midnight, we where behind a trailer full of light brown and white steers as the trailer had MD tags. Why are these steer from MD out at Midnight? LOL 2. Right after that we made a wrong turn getting back to the hotel and ended up driving by the York Casket Company at midnight. Strange way to end a evening. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54073	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: On Stan Furmanak

Don't know Stan, but I'm glad to hear he is doing well.  A shot of GOOD News is the best way to start a morning! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fraley" <wjfraley@...> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Cc: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:24:15 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] On Stan Furmanak I just received a phone call from Stan, he sounds terrific! Stan is home, he sent out this email and I wanted to let you all read it. Praise the Lord and all His blessings. Thanks for all your well wishes and prayers, Bill (Please do not contact Stan regarding anything with the NASG. Stan is still getting NASG mail.) From Stan Furmanak ...... Guys- I came home today. Yippee! Basically, the tumor in my left brain 5cm x 5 cm x 4.5cm was removed but very tiny cells near the spinal column were not touched. I did not wake up until Saturday morning but felt good enough for lunch and walking around, talked to family and friends, ate a nice turkey dinner, talked some more. Did not lay down all day until 8:30 PM when my wife left. Noisy place! Nurses and docs too much talking. Did not fall asleep all night. No pain; no discomfort. No painkillers needed; minimal pain and my arthritis is fine now too. Got up at 5:30 AM and washed up and waited for breakfast. Did some walking too. They moved me away from the desk and down to a room facing the east. Very quiet. Had family and friends all day, ate well, walked around for 15 min 3 times. Did nicely. Tried to sleep last night at 10:00 PM. Breathing nicely, excellent BP. Wonderful. Could not sleep so turned on the TV at 11:30 PM and watched until very tried at 2:30 AM so I was able to sleep until 4:00 AM. Got up at 5:15 AM and washed up and waited for the beautiful sunrise I could see. Doc comes in at 6:45 Monday morning and asks if I want to go home. Yes! So I was able to leave at 11:00 after more PT and Occ Therapy stuff. Was able to stop in Manheim for a nice turkey sandwich and crab soup. Got home at 2:00 and made phone calls. Had little Chinese for supper and am hoping I can sleep easy tonight and walk up refreshed. I have radiation planned Mon - Friday every day for 6 week straights to remove tiny finger cancer cells. No chemo is being planned right now. Then a total body scan 2 weeks after the radiation to make sure my brain is cancer free. So, I am home and will be BORED! But I feel good! I will do some stuff! THANKS for your prayers! Stan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54074	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Non York Halls highlights

On the way home Saturday afternoon, I saw several teams of mules plowing different fields off of rt. 222. You do not see that too often in NJ. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54075	From: william cole	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Non York Halls highlights

Yes, the Amish were putting on quite a show of mule power on Saturday... saw fields being plowed and field being fertilized with their spreaders....   Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Non York Halls highlights To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:33 AM On the way home Saturday afternoon, I saw several teams of mules plowing different fields off of rt. 222. You do not see that too often in NJ. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54076	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Need photo

Is there anybody out there that could send me a picture(s) of a 375 GP-7 with the shell off? I recently picked one up where the previous owner pretty much gutted out the chassis. I'm in the process of restoring it and would like to see how things are supposed to be laid out. I'm especially interested in the speaker area. Any help would be truly appreciated. Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54077	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: HO Billboards

The local train store was having a sale on the Life-Like Vintage Billboard series, normally $9.75 marked down to $2.90. I bought a couple, I may go back and buy a few more. I might change the signs on a few. They are HO, small, but still look like they will fit in..... and I'm not that picky!! http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x90/bassflyer/Flyer%20Pics/IMG_9093.jpg http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x90/bassflyer/Flyer%20Pics/IMG_9096.jpg Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54078	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Non York Halls highlights

'round here the spreaders are called "two or four wheeled politicians", basically the same effect. Jim "livin' in Amish country" Lyle In a message dated 4/28/2009 10:10:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, billcwithonec@... writes: saw fields being plowed and field being fertilized with their spreaders.... **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54079	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: (no subject)

DO NOT pull; up next to a loaded cattle truck. I have driven a cattle truck back in the day I went to Collage ( my father in law was a cattle dealer ), I have seen several new cars damaged with the cows shxxing all over the cars along side me. I felt bad but, what could I do??? I just thought about, what I need to hook up an American Flyer talking station and drove on. JERRY ________________________________________________________________________ 5a. non York Halls highlights Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Date: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:56 pm ((PDT)) Some selected highlights over the weekend in York, PA for the TCA meet. 1. Driving down US 30 right by I-83, at Midnight, we where behind a trailer full of light brown and white steers as the trailer had MD tags. Why are these steer from MD out at Midnight? LOL 2. Right after that we made a wrong turn getting back to the hotel and ended up driving by the York Casket Company at midnight. Strange way to end a evening. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ Can't pay your bills? Click here to learn about filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLjhcLu9Rrf6YMLyEaFGsB1v0Cu0kZSLUqrXjvEe85Tzs0cMLfUnG/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54080	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Transformer Hum

I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. It hums very loud. How can I get the humming to stop? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54081	From: Phil K	Date: 4/28/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Michael -- Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming is because it doesn't know the words. You're welcome, Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. > > It hums very loud. > > How can I get the humming to stop? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54082	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: New home of the San Diego S-Gaugers club website

Well, wuncha-know-it - no sooner do I get the website built than Yahoo announces they're closing geocities and will no longer host free websites.  So long Yahoo! So, with many thanks to Paul Yorke for his impeccable timing and patient help, I am well along in the process of moving the club website to google:                 http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home Since Google doesn't have a bandwidth limit (as far as I can find in the rules), those of you who gave up trying to get in can now visit the site.  At this point, it's almost half there: module design, member layouts, meeting schedule, and a couple of videos.  Most of the rest should be moved by this weekend if all goes well. Then I can start moving my other geocities websites! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54083	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

My facetious comment was made before Phil's was published so great minds etc. Seriously the hum is caused by the iron or steel laminations not being clamped tightly enough together or saturated in tar or whatever. Without knowing how they were made in this particular instance I cannot say but some way has to be found to clamp them together or repot them in tar or epoxy or whatever. Otherwise you can do what I do with my late twenties Sears transformer or 50's Marx - put up with the noise - at least it tells you the thing is turned on! And the hum here down under is louder due to the fact it is at 50 hertz instead of 60! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:03 AM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer Hum I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. It hums very loud. How can I get the humming to stop? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54084	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Teach it the words to the song! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:03 AM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer Hum I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. It hums very loud. How can I get the humming to stop? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54085	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: -Video: So. Jersey RR Museum@Tuckahoe

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. THE LINK: The South Jersey Railroad Museum is a permanent, open year-round, multi-gauge operating model train display in the town of Tuckahoe, in Southern New Jersey. You can view the YouTube video of it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=obgFovCSMmI&eurl . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. LOCATION & HOURS: ** Open Fri, Sat & Sun. Admission is free, but donations are encouraged. Website: http://sjrails.net * Åddress: 1721 Mt. Pleasant Rd. Tuckahoe NJ 08250, phone 609-628-2850. * Hours: Friday 11 am-3 pm. Saturday 11 am- 4 pm. Sunday Noon - 4 pm; although you probably want to verify the hours on their website. This museum contains several O-gauge layouts, plus layouts in Standard gauge, O, S, HO, and N gauges. It's also about 1/4 mile from one of the stations of the Cape May Seashore Lines, which is a tourist/freight railroad. Tuckahoe is located in South New Jersey, approximately in-between Cape May and Atlantic City, not far off the Garden State Parkway. For the convenience of the AMERICAN FLYER enthusiasts and S-Trains readers, I showed the S-gauge layout first in the video. The heaviest emphasis of this club is probably on the O-gauge, as they have several O-gauge layouts. The large O-gauge layout extends from about waist-high all the way up to the ceiling, and is pretty spectacular. What's AMAZING to me, is that Tuckahoe is such a small town, and they somehow apparently can find enough volunteers from the area, to be open to the public for 3 days a week, plus keep the equipment on all those operating layouts maintained in running order. Note also that the Flyertown S gauge display is just a few miles south of this location on Route 9 in Clermont, so you can see them both if you're there on a Sat or Sun -- which is the 2 days that Flyertown is open ( http://FlyertownToyTrainMuseum.com ). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HISTORY OF THE MUSEUM: Note there is an interesting 4-page August 2007 article "CHUGGING ALONG", that gives some HISTORY about the museum (pdf format, 11 Mbytes), that can be downloaded from the Buena Vista NJ township website. There's a link to it from the track2.com forwarding page at http://track2.com/info/238 . In about the 6th paragraph of the article, referring to the group's President Mike Kane, it says "Kane, a 60-year old who grew up with O gauge trains, but prefers S gauge, says the museum is more or less . . . " So you know that they've got a guy with "refined taste" running the operation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54086	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Un-plug it, Mike.... : >) In a message dated 04/28/2009 9:15:35 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. It hums very loud. How can I get the humming to stop? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54087	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Dang it!!! Phil beat me to it!! "How do I make it stop humming?" Give it some lyrics! Rick "Late Again" Evans On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Phil K wrote: > Michael -- > > Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming > is because it doesn't know the words. > > You're welcome, > > Phil K > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: >> >> I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. >> >> It hums very loud. >> >> How can I get the humming to stop? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54088	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Hi Alistair: Yes, but the 60 cycles sounds just like one of those pesky mosquitoes! Rance Velapoldi (another 50 cycle user in Norway) Alistair McAllister wrote: > > My facetious comment was made before Phil's was published so great minds > etc. Seriously the hum is caused by the iron or steel laminations not > being > clamped tightly enough together or saturated in tar or whatever. Without > knowing how they were made in this particular instance I cannot say > but some > way has to be found to clamp them together or repot them in tar or > epoxy or > whatever. Otherwise you can do what I do with my late twenties Sears > transformer or 50's Marx - put up with the noise - at least it tells > you the > thing is turned on! And the hum here down under is louder due to the > fact it > is at 50 hertz instead of 60! Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of Michael and Linda Marmer > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:03 AM > To: S Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer Hum > > I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. > > It hums very loud. > > How can I get the humming to stop? > > Thanks. > > Mike > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54089	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Thanks for all the replies. I will have it on American Idol then. And they all laugh and when it is a big star someday, you all will remember when. Okay, anybody out there know anything on what to do. I know you are out there. I wont mention names. LOL Or do I just toss aside it as a loss and get another one. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum Dang it!!! Phil beat me to it!! "How do I make it stop humming?" Give it some lyrics! Rick "Late Again" Evans On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Phil K wrote: > Michael -- > > Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming > is because it doesn't know the words. > > You're welcome, > > Phil K > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: >> >> I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. >> >> It hums very loud. >> >> How can I get the humming to stop? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54090	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Phil, Thanks as I had a feeling that was going to come up, but not from you. LOL Oh well, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum Michael -- Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming is because it doesn't know the words. You're welcome, Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. > > It hums very loud. > > How can I get the humming to stop? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54091	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Will some one help a poor 4B transformer from a life of forever humming. Make it solo you can not hear it anymore? Please for the sake of the transformer. Write to the Transformer Defense Fund, care of 4B, S-Trains, USA. Hugo is making notes of all those with the wise cracks. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum Dang it!!! Phil beat me to it!! "How do I make it stop humming?" Give it some lyrics! Rick "Late Again" Evans On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Phil K wrote: > Michael -- > > Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming > is because it doesn't know the words. > > You're welcome, > > Phil K > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: >> >> I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. >> >> It hums very loud. >> >> How can I get the humming to stop? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54092	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

You had to know the "hummer" jokes were going to fly!  Seriously, though, I've always heard the hum comes from the plates vibrating against each other because the varnish (or whatever coating they used) has dried up and flaked off, possibly due to heat.  In most cases, the old transformers, both AF and Lionel, have that hum to some extent and it's considered normal.   I have an 175W 18B that likes to hum pretty loudly, but it operates just fine and does not overheat.  If the cord is in good shape and it puts out close to the stated voltage, I would go ahead and use it and just monitor it for overheating. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:17:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum Thanks for all the replies. I will have it on American Idol then. And they all laugh and when it is a big star someday, you all will remember when. Okay, anybody out there know anything on what to do. I know you are out there. I wont mention names. LOL Or do I just toss aside it as a loss and get another one. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum Dang it!!! Phil beat me to it!! "How do I make it stop humming?" Give it some lyrics! Rick "Late Again" Evans On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Phil K wrote: > Michael -- > > Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming > is because it doesn't know the words. > > You're welcome, > > Phil K > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: >> >> I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. >> >> It hums very loud. >> >> How can I get the humming to stop? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54093	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Thanks Jim, I think I learn another lesson in trains, test the transformer before buying. I think this one will go in the work room. OR I can sell it to someone else. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54094	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: York Saturday

There have been complaints of dealers closing down their tables by packing up to go home. Well, I have come across something even more serious and worse!!!!!! The Cafeteria and many food stand do the same thing!!!! LOL I normally do not stay for York on Saturday and if I do, maybe till noon. But this York we stayed till it closed. At about 1, we decided to go to the cafeteria and it was closed! Many food stands where shutting down. But atlas, the crab cake stand had THREE crab cakes left, so we two of the three. Let crack down on early closing by the food vendors!!!!! LOL I'm thinking Arby's next time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54095	From: william cole	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: York Saturday

GENOVAS!!!!   exit the fairgrounds by the silver and blue halls by making a right onto 462,   and go for about a mile to a mile and a half...   Genovas is on the left... if you go over the railroad crossing, you went too far!!!!   AWESOME FOOD, great service, and reasonable prices!!!!   no tourists allowed, unless you're a train nut......   Bill     tube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] York Saturday To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 10:40 AM There have been complaints of dealers closing down their tables by packing up to go home. Well, I have come across something even more serious and worse!!!!!! The Cafeteria and many food stand do the same thing!!!! LOL I normally do not stay for York on Saturday and if I do, maybe till noon. But this York we stayed till it closed. At about 1, we decided to go to the cafeteria and it was closed! Many food stands where shutting down. But atlas, the crab cake stand had THREE crab cakes left, so we two of the three. Let crack down on early closing by the food vendors!!!!! LOL I'm thinking Arby's next time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54096	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: decals

Several months ago, I saw a webpage for S decals. I am not sure where, as not only did they make AF repro decals, but other decals, like Flying A, Beer Decals, etc. They had a Simmons decal. I want to use some of these for the baseball field wall. Now I can not find that webpage. Anyone know of this site. Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54097	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

One more-reverse the plug, see if it hums backwards. Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/29/2009 7:07:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Will some one help a poor 4B transformer from a life of forever humming. Make it solo you can not hear it anymore? Please for the sake of the transformer. Write to the Transformer Defense Fund, care of 4B, S-Trains, USA. Hugo is making notes of all those with the wise cracks. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum Dang it!!! Phil beat me to it!! "How do I make it stop humming?" Give it some lyrics! Rick "Late Again" Evans On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Phil K wrote: > Michael -- > > Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming > is because it doesn't know the words. > > You're welcome, > > Phil K > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: >> >> I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. >> >> It hums very loud. >> >> How can I get the humming to stop? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54098	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Fwd Domain Names (was Re New home San Diego S-Gaugers)

1. FORWARDING DOMAIN NAMES: Just an fyi. Hopefully this note will be of use to somebody. For about $10 a year, you can get a "forwarding domain name" from a low-cost registrar like GoDaddy.com or similar. An example would be 'SanDiegoSgaugers.com' or 'SanDiegoSgaugers.org' or similar (case insensitive). ~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. EXAMPLE As a working example, if you click the link http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com , it forwards you to www.trainweb.org/ ssg/ . But if we need to move that website to a different location in the future, we just update the forwarding address by logging in to GoDaddy and entering a new URL to forward to, and the 'SusquehannaSgaugers.com' name stays the same. Saves Much Labor: Said another way, we can move our web page, WITHOUT having to go through the time-consuming process of requesting many different sites to UPDATE THEIR LINKS to us, and everybody having to update their bookmarks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3. FOR MORE INFORMATION: http://ninedollarwebpage.blogspot.com/2007/11/10.html VIDEO: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gWpFPs9OfQI ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:27 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > > > Well, wuncha-know-it - no sooner do I get the website built than > Yahoo announces they're closing geocities and will no longer host > free websites. So long Yahoo! > > So, with many thanks to Paul Yorke for his impeccable timing and > patient help, I am well along in the process of moving the club > website to google: > > http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home > > Since Google doesn't have a bandwidth limit (as far as I can find > in the rules), those of you who gave up trying to get in can now > visit the site. At this point, it's almost half there: module > design, member layouts, meeting schedule, and a couple of videos. > Most of the rest should be moved by this weekend if all goes well. > > Then I can start moving my other geocities websites! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54099	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Mike, I'm not totally familiar with the "innards" of a 4B, but a lot of the Flyer transformers have wood wedges in the coil. If these wedges get loose, they can cause a hum. When you take apart the 4B see if it has the wood wedges. If it does, gently tap them in a little tighter and that may stop the excessive humming. Regards, Daryl Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Thanks for all the replies. > > I will have it on American Idol then. > > And they all laugh and when it is a big star someday, you all will > remember when. > > Okay, anybody out there know anything on what to do. I know you are > out there. I wont mention names. LOL > > Or do I just toss aside it as a loss and get another one. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:21 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum > > Dang it!!! > Phil beat me to it!! > > "How do I make it stop humming?" > Give it some lyrics! > > Rick "Late Again" Evans > > On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Phil K wrote: > > > Michael -- > > > > Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming > > is because it doesn't know the words. > > > > You're welcome, > > > > Phil K > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Michael and Linda Marmer" > > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > >> > >> I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. > >> > >> It hums very loud. > >> > >> How can I get the humming to stop? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo>! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54100	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

Tie a chain to it--GREAT boat anchor, like a GM engine. Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/29/2009 7:06:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Or do I just toss aside it as a loss and get another one. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54101	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: YORK

Anybody go to York??? I missed it this time... So what was there... What went on!!!!! Any good buys!!!! Finds!!!!!! BESIDES A MUSICAL TRANNY!!!!! I Did attend a nice show in Helena, Mt on Sunday... No Flyer that I needed but there was some there... And snow flurries!!!!! Last friday I woke up in Roundup, Mt.... ALMOST 6" ON THE GROUND... Back in SUNNY FLORIDA..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54102	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Elesco Feedwater Heater

Anyone know anything about the Elesco feedwater heater kit that Dan at Yardbird train sells. The question is where does the oil trap and drain valve fit in. Thanks Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54103	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

THAT is the reason DJ's are a much better choice for Wedding Receptions, you DON'T have to "hum a few bars". "DJ Jim Diamond" Lyle I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. It hums very loud. How can I get the humming to stop? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54104	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: New home of the San Diego S-Gaugers club website

OMG, you are going to have to move the Upstairs Train and the Gilbert Gallery to new homes! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Well, wuncha-know-it - no sooner do I get the website built than Yahoo announces they're closing geocities and will no longer host free websites.  So long Yahoo! > h > So, with many thanks to Paul Yorke for his impeccable timing and patient help, I am well along in the process of moving the club website to google: > >                 http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home > > Since Google doesn't have a bandwidth limit (as far as I can find in the rules), those of you who gave up trying to get in can now visit the site.  At this point, it's almost half there: module design, member layouts, meeting schedule, and a couple of videos.  Most of the rest should be moved by this weekend if all goes well. > > Then I can start moving my other geocities websites! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54105	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: York Saturday

Thanks Bill, I looked them up on Google. Sounds like my kind of Pizza place. O:)! I will bring the Humming transformer for music. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: william cole To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Saturday GENOVAS!!!! exit the fairgrounds by the silver and blue halls by making a right onto 462, and go for about a mile to a mile and a half... Genovas is on the left... if you go over the railroad crossing, you went too far!!!! AWESOME FOOD, great service, and reasonable prices!!!! no tourists allowed, unless you're a train nut...... Bill tube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] York Saturday To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 10:40 AM There have been complaints of dealers closing down their tables by packing up to go home. Well, I have come across something even more serious and worse!!!!!! The Cafeteria and many food stand do the same thing!!!! LOL I normally do not stay for York on Saturday and if I do, maybe till noon. But this York we stayed till it closed. At about 1, we decided to go to the cafeteria and it was closed! Many food stands where shutting down. But atlas, the crab cake stand had THREE crab cakes left, so we two of the three. Let crack down on early closing by the food vendors!!!!! LOL I'm thinking Arby's next time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54106	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Most Important Purchase

My most important purchase at York, was not the 21145 Engine that I thought I needed to complete a set, as I have not even started that set yet, nor the S Helper Buster the pop up Reindeer in covered hopper, no, nor the decals I got for the ballpark wall, nor the two additional plasticville phonebooths. It was the two single pieces of old AF curve track! I only needed one. You see, I got rid of all my AF curve track last year, just keeping one bundle to run a train around the Christmas tree for Linda. But to my shock and awe, my bundle last year was shorted one piece of curve track, so no train last year under the tree. However, for a while, I was 2.50 ahead at York, as I returned some bulbs sent to be in error by a vendor. The two pieces of track totaled 1.00. I should of quit while I was ahead. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54107	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: decals

Mike, And now, for something completely different: a serious answer. I think you are refering to LBR Restorations. They carry all sorts of decals (which they call transfers). Try this link: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/ If it doesn't work, type it in manually, or copy it into your browser. Good luck! And say hi to Hugo for me. See you at the Spree this weekend? My club is bringing our display layout. Look for us. We'll be the ones with the grins on our faces. Oh wait. Everyone will. How can you not? Surrounded by trains and train guys. Doesn't get much better... York is close, but the Spree is all S. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Several months ago, I saw a webpage for S decals. > > I am not sure where, as not only did they make AF repro decals, but other decals, like Flying A, Beer Decals, etc. They had a Simmons decal. > > I want to use some of these for the baseball field wall. Now I can not find that webpage. > > Anyone know of this site. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54108	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Elesco Feedwater Heater

Hi Ron,   ===== Anyone know anything about the Elesco feedwater heater kit that Dan at Yardbird train sells.  The question is where does the oil trap and drain valve fit in.  Thanks  Ron Plyler ===== It really depends on what locomotive you are modeling, it also depends on the railroad as well. I kitbashed a facsimile of both a NYC class H Mikado from a USRA 2-8-2, and a NYC K-5 Pacific, 4-6-2 from a USRA Pacific. Both locos used the Elesco Feedwater heater but the hardware was differently placed on each even though they were from the same railroad.   New Haven locos also used the Elesco feedwater heater but, again, different placement of the hardware was true there as well.   Perhaps if you were to be more specific as to the loco and railroad, I might be able to help.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54109	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Hum

If you reverse the plug it will go: mmmmmuh instead of hummmmm... Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > One more-reverse the plug, see if it hums backwards. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 4/29/2009 7:07:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mlmarmer@... writes: > > Will some one help a poor 4B transformer from a life of forever humming. > > Make it solo you can not hear it anymore? > > Please for the sake of the transformer. > > Write to the Transformer Defense Fund, care of 4B, S-Trains, USA. > > Hugo is making notes of all those with the wise cracks. LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:21 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Hum > > > > > > Dang it!!! > Phil beat me to it!! > > "How do I make it stop humming?" > Give it some lyrics! > > Rick "Late Again" Evans > > On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Phil K wrote: > > > Michael -- > > > > Problem solved. I believe the reason your 4B transformer is humming > > is because it doesn't know the words. > > > > You're welcome, > > > > Phil K > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > > <mlmarmer@> wrote: > >> > >> I got a AF transformer at York, a 4B. > >> > >> It hums very loud. > >> > >> How can I get the humming to stop? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54110	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: moving the Upstairs Train and the Gilbert Gallery?

I sure hope not!  I am already paying for those sites so I'm hoping Yahoo will provide a relatively easy transition for them to the paid Yahoo sites.  But if I have to, it could be worse: it takes me about half an hour to move one page of pictures to the Google site. --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New home of the San Diego S-Gaugers club website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 5:49 PM OMG, you are going to have to move the Upstairs Train and the Gilbert Gallery to new homes! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ ...> wrote: > > Well, wuncha-know- it - no sooner do I get the website built than Yahoo announces they're closing geocities and will no longer host free websites.  So long Yahoo! > h > So, with many thanks to Paul Yorke for his impeccable timing and patient help, I am well along in the process of moving the club website to google: > >                 http://sites. google.com/ site/sdsgaugers/ Home > > Since Google doesn't have a bandwidth limit (as far as I can find in the rules), those of you who gave up trying to get in can now visit the site.  At this point, it's almost half there: module design, member layouts, meeting schedule, and a couple of videos.  Most of the rest should be moved by this weekend if all goes well. > > Then I can start moving my other geocities websites! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54111	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2009
Subject: Re: decals

Thanks Jerry. I got some decals for the baseball wall ordered. Hugo does not like your wise crack about the transformer. LOL Did I tell you all that THREE new Marx figures arrived by mail or in person at York? LOL Wish I could be there at your S Spree, I would bring the transformer down or up with me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: decals Mike, And now, for something completely different: a serious answer. I think you are refering to LBR Restorations. They carry all sorts of decals (which they call transfers). Try this link: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/ If it doesn't work, type it in manually, or copy it into your browser. Good luck! And say hi to Hugo for me. See you at the Spree this weekend? My club is bringing our display layout. Look for us. We'll be the ones with the grins on our faces. Oh wait. Everyone will. How can you not? Surrounded by trains and train guys. Doesn't get much better... York is close, but the Spree is all S. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Several months ago, I saw a webpage for S decals. > > I am not sure where, as not only did they make AF repro decals, but other decals, like Flying A, Beer Decals, etc. They had a Simmons decal. > > I want to use some of these for the baseball field wall. Now I can not find that webpage. > > Anyone know of this site. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54112	From: Glenn	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: YORK

Hi Bob & All, Again it was a great TCA York Most tables were filled. Joe Haenn came up and had his Flyer trains and parts. Don & Robin Thompson were busy at the Showcase Line with their operating layout. Gary Clark & Laura seemed to have everything Mint and John & Robin Vanacore are now in the Purple hall next to Doug & Cecile Peck. I had my 2 year old granddaughter, Maggie, on my shoulders and 4 year old Bridgit looked at everything. My daughter Tammy helped with the carrying. The Black Hall had an "O" gauge operating layout which kept the youngsters attention. You missed another great York. Glenn Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@... rcon777 Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:26 am (PDT) Anybody go to York??? I missed it this time... So what was there... What went on!!!!! Any good buys!!!! Finds!!!!!! BESIDES A MUSICAL TRANNY!!!!! I Did attend a nice show in Helena, Mt on Sunday... No Flyer that I needed but there was some there... And snow flurries!!!!! Last friday I woke up in Roundup, Mt.... ALMOST 6" ON THE GROUND... Back in SUNNY FLORIDA..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54113	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: YORK

And not to be overlooked, Dave Blum [americanflyertrains.com] is now in Purple Hall as well. Between the three of us, we occupied half of one wall, and probably all helped each other! Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > Hi Bob & All, > > Again it was a great TCA York > Most tables were filled. Joe Haenn > came up and had his Flyer trains > and parts. Don & Robin Thompson > were busy at the Showcase Line > with their operating layout. Gary > Clark & Laura seemed to have > everything Mint and John & Robin > Vanacore are now in the Purple hall > next to Doug & Cecile Peck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54114	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Most Important Purchase

Point to point??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/29/2009 8:00:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: You see, I got rid of all my AF curve track last year, just keeping one bundle to run a train around the Christmas tree for Linda. But to my shock and awe, my bundle last year was shorted one piece of curve track, so no train last year under the tree. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54115	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Most Important Purchase

JIM..... Maybe we should all send Mike a extra piece or two of curve track!!!! In case he loses the one he got.... Bob --- On Thu, 4/30/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Important Purchase To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 8:56 AM Point to point??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/29/2009 8:00:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: You see, I got rid of all my AF curve track last year, just keeping one bundle to run a train around the Christmas tree for Linda. But to my shock and awe, my bundle last year was shorted one piece of curve track, so no train last year under the tree. ************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54116	From: william cole	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: York purchases

In S, picked up a pair of FEC SW-9 switchers from S-Helper Service...very colorful locos....would love to see an E-8/9 in these colors.....or Seaboard, or RF&P.....have been recently studying the Florida trains that came through my town on the way to The Big Apple.....   picked up a bunch of 1/29 goodies from Charlie Ro at show special prices...gotta get back on my budget after emptying my wallet at his place.....I'm a sucker for full length Budd cars, and picked up a 10 car Congressional with a GG-1 and an extra mid-train observation....   Bill   Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54117	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54118	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

I would definitely like a copy!!! --- On Thu, 4/30/09, rfalzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: rfalzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 6:46 AM Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54119	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Bullfrog Snot?

Has anyone tried this? http://www.bullfrogsnot.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54120	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

I would like a copy of the DVD.Just let me know if and when I can get a copy. Bob Persing bobville@... ----- Original Message ----- From: rfalzini To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: 04/30/09 06:01:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54121	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

I'd like a copy, Mike In a message dated 4/30/2009 7:28:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bobville@... writes: I would like a copy of the DVD.Just let me know if and when I can get a copy. Bob Persing _bobville@..._ (mailto:bobville@...) ----- Original Message ----- From: rfalzini To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: 04/30/09 06:01:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219491521x1201306563/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214102108%3B35952091%3Bs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54122	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot?

We carry it. It has EXCELLENT reviews, and it sold very well at York. It is very important tot follow the directions and not try to rush the job. While your wheels are rotating, it spreads itself evenly over the entire tread, and cures to a smooth surface. If you rush the job, or don't let the wheels continue to rotate the entire recommended time, it will not cure with a smooth, even surface. It's not inexpensive, but a jar will likely last you forever! Doug Peck Port Lines. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > Has anyone tried this? > > http://www.bullfrogsnot.com/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54123	From: bw_hansen	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Cheap S Scale Army tanks

I found some cheap but decent S sized Army tanks at a Walgreens. They are very close to an M48A1 Patton tanks used between the 1950's up to the 1990's. I used them to replace those tiny little tanks that come on the AF 48507. I used the elastic string already on the car to hold the tanks. They look alot better. The tanks came in an army playset that includes Army men (give 'em to the kids) and the two tanks for $1.00 ! Happy hunting Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54124	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot?

One of the older methods of adding "traction tires" to an American Flyer loco used to be to add a thin coating of rubber cement to the drivers since they did not pick up any rail power.   On the other hand, adding anything to the drivers will multiply the problem of coating the rails with a dirt buildup. In HO scale, and in any DCC powered layout, dirt is enemy #1. Clean track is paramount to good operation. Many HO scale modelers get rid of plastic wheels as soon as possible because they tend to leave a residue on the rails. Many of us have found this to be true among the group of modelers that I operate with as well as my own personal observations.   The final caution is that adding traction "tires" to a loco will eventually burn out the motor as the additional amps drawn by the motor are over the normal rating. A motor is rated by it's "Stall" amperage. If a loco cannot slip a bit under a load, the motor will soon become a space heater. I have an old Rivarossi Pacific with a melted motor mount to prove this fact.   My recommendation would be to let the frog snot stay with the frogs.   Nick Kulp --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Bullfrog Snot? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 10:24 AM Has anyone tried this? http://www.bullfrogsnot.com/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54125	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: detailing AF locos

I have some information the American Flyer fans may like, how about a cab interior and LED headlight and red LED smoke stack glow for the 300 series and the 280 series steamers that Gilbert made. these are installed without having to modify these engines and thus destroy any collector value they may have. You can see these at   "Windyridgemodels.com", these are being developed by a member of our club the Badgerland S Gaugers.                                              Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54126	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos

Visited the website and they look interesting.  Couldn't find the price list.   Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Puls" <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:39:16 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] detailing AF locos I have some information the American Flyer fans may like, how about a cab interior and LED headlight and red LED smoke stack glow for the 300 series and the 280 series steamers that Gilbert made. these are installed without having to modify these engines and thus destroy any collector value they may have. You can see these at   "Windyridgemodels.com", these are being developed by a member of our club the Badgerland S Gaugers.                                              Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54127	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: A little info about the 12 hour American Flyer video tape

I just wanted to say that first of all, this tape does not show any of the trains in action, ie. no layout footage, etc. Basically, what you see is every Northern, Hudson, Pacific, 0 - 8 - 0, 0 - 6 - 0, GP 7, Alco, all the passenger cars, freight cars, accessories, and many 1 of a kind proto types. As I mentioned you will see a yellow circus engine, a red circus engine with hand rails, a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with ringing bell, 5 variations of the track gang set, I believe 6 variations of the 649 circus coach, 21088 Franklin ( One of the first 50 ) When you view the tape each piece is filmed while that piece is being discussed. As I previously stated I have this on 2 videos, and each is about 6 hours totaling 12 hours. I will soon try to put this to DVD on to 2 discs, I just moved and am still un packing boxes, so I hope to start making copies by Mid - May. If any one has any questions I will try to answer them! Thanks very much! Yours in Trains, P.S. Check out the pictures of the A.F. Prototype accessories I posted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54128	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Dry Transfers

Hey every one, Try this site for Dry Transfers for your American Flyer needs. http://american-flyer.net/default.aspx Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54129	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Lumber sheds, etc.

I am looking for some kind of buildings to go with the AF saw mill on my layout, like some lumber sheds, etc. I have a office kit that will go well with it, but I can not find any lumber sheds for the finished cut wood. Any help will be appreciated if you have something like that on a layout. mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54130	From: D Stoll	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos

Pricing is not confirmed yet. What you see are raw prototypes of which Ray has been reviewing. I would expect salable models with better detail is ready in a few weeks. Pricing is based on what is required and how many models can be covered with common units. Hang Tight! Web page will keep changing. As soon as pricing is available, the items will have pice on listing. Thinking about Paypal. Any feedback? Doug at www.WindyRidgeModels.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Visited the website and they look interesting.  Couldn't find the price list.   > Jim E. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Puls" <rpuls3@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:39:16 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] detailing AF locos > > > > > > > > > I have some information the American Flyer fans may like, how about a cab interior and LED headlight and red LED smoke stack glow for the 300 series and the 280 series steamers that Gilbert made. these are installed without having to modify these engines and thus destroy any collector value they may have. You can see these at   "Windyridgemodels.com", these are being developed by a member of our club the Badgerland S Gaugers. >                                              Ray > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54131	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos

Sounds good!  Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Stoll" <omaha@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:51:23 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: detailing AF locos Pricing is not confirmed yet. What you see are raw prototypes of which Ray has been reviewing. I would expect salable models with better detail is ready in a few weeks. Pricing is based on what is required and how many models can be covered with common units. Hang Tight! Web page will keep changing. As soon as pricing is available, the items will have pice on listing. Thinking about Paypal. Any feedback? Doug at www.WindyRidgeModels.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , jimensign50@... wrote: > > Visited the website and they look interesting.  Couldn't find the price list.   > Jim E. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Puls" <rpuls3@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:39:16 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] detailing AF locos > > > > > > > > > I have some information the American Flyer fans may like, how about a cab interior and LED headlight and red LED smoke stack glow for the 300 series and the 280 series steamers that Gilbert made. these are installed without having to modify these engines and thus destroy any collector value they may have. You can see these at   "Windyridgemodels.com", these are being developed by a member of our club the Badgerland S Gaugers. >                                              Ray > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54132	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Well Yaaaa!!!!! Pat, In Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: rfalzini To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54133	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

I would be very interested! Please let me know when it becomes available. Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: rfalzini To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54134	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Hello Pat, Thank you for expressing your interest in the videos. I hope to start making copies in a month or so. If you have any questions I will try to answer them for you! Yours in trains, Rich ________________________________ From: The Reardon's <preardon@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Well Yaaaa!!!!! Pat, In Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: rfalzini To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54135	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Hello Robert, Thank you for expressing an interest in the Flyer tapes. If I can answer any questions please let me know! Thanks! Yours in trains, Rich ________________________________ From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:20:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer I would like a copy of the DVD.Just let me know if and when I can get a copy. Bob Persing bobville@ptd. net ----- Original Message ----- From: rfalzini To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: 04/30/09 06:01:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54136	From: wisner_mark	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

SIGN ME UP FOR A COPY OF THE DVD WHEN AVAILABLE. GREAT TO REVIEW IAM IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A NEW LAYOUT. I JUST PULLED THE TRAINS OUT OF THE CLOSET AFTER 40 YEARS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54137	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Hello Mike, Thank you for expressing an interest in the Flyer tapes. If I can answer any questions please let me know! Thanks! Yours in trains, Rich ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:34:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer I'd like a copy, Mike In a message dated 4/30/2009 7:28:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bobville@ptd. net writes: I would like a copy of the DVD.Just let me know if and when I can get a copy. Bob Persing _bobville@ptd. bob_ (mailto:bobville@ptd. net) ----- Original Message ----- From: rfalzini To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer Hello, I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. It also show cases many proto types, such as a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender 6 different colored circus coaches 343 circus engine with hand rails a yellow 343 circus engine 5 different track gang sets and much more!!! As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. If this is of interest to any one let me know! Thanks! ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: 04/30/09 06:01:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x121949 1521x1201306563/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk% 3B214102108% 3B35952091% 3Bs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54138	From: rfalzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: American Flyer Catalogs

Here is a very cool web site that features all of the Gilbert catalogs. Just click the catalog you wish to view, and the catalog opens up. The link for this site is --- http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm Enjoy! Yours in trains, Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54139	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: A little info about the 12 hour American Flyer video tape

Are these items, per chance, former Reggie Carnes' items? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. just wanted to say that first of all, this tape does not show any of the trains in action, ie. no layout footage, etc. Basically, what you see is every Northern, Hudson, Pacific, 0 - 8 - 0, 0 - 6 - 0, GP 7, Alco, all the passenger cars, freight cars, accessories, and many 1 of a kind proto types. As I mentioned you will see a yellow circus engine, a red circus engine with hand rails, a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with ringing bell, 5 variations of the track gang set, I believe 6 variations of the 649 circus coach, 21088 Franklin ( One of the first 50 )........................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54140	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Sounds awesome! How do we go about this? Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54141	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: A little info about the 12 hour American Flyer video tape

Hello Doug, Well yes they are, I was a good friend of Reg for quite some time. He did send me his tapes, as well as his layout on tape By the way Doug I believe we have met some time back, I may have bought a set from you Rich ________________________________ From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:14:59 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A little info about the 12 hour American Flyer video tape Are these items, per chance, former Reggie Carnes' items? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com <file:///C:\Documents%20and% 20Settings\ Doug.PORTLINES\ Application% 20Data \Microsoft\Signatur es\www.sgaugetra ins.com> www.flyerparts. com <file:///C:\Documents%20and% 20Settings\ Doug.PORTLINES\ Application% 20Data \Microsoft\Signatur es\www.flyerpart s.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. just wanted to say that first of all, this tape does not show any of the trains in action, ie. no layout footage, etc. Basically, what you see is every Northern, Hudson, Pacific, 0 - 8 - 0, 0 - 6 - 0, GP 7, Alco, all the passenger cars, freight cars, accessories, and many 1 of a kind proto types. As I mentioned you will see a yellow circus engine, a red circus engine with hand rails, a 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with ringing bell, 5 variations of the track gang set, I believe 6 variations of the 649 circus coach, 21088 Franklin ( One of the first 50 )........... ......... ....... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54142	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Scenic Express Roadway

The roadway I am using on my layout has been discontinued by Scenic Express! I lucked out as I only needed one more plain black roadway to complete what I am doing. The reason they discontinued it was because it the line roadway was done by screen printing. half the order they got was smeared!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54143	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/30/2009
Subject: Re: Scenic Express Roadway

Scan a length on your computer and print it on thick paper on your computer printer. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:53 AM To: Toy Trains; S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Scenic Express Roadway The roadway I am using on my layout has been discontinued by Scenic Express! I lucked out as I only needed one more plain black roadway to complete what I am doing. The reason they discontinued it was because it the line roadway was done by screen printing. half the order they got was smeared!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54144	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Catalogs

rfalzini wrote: > > Here is a very cool web site that features all of the Gilbert catalogs. > Just click the catalog you wish to view, and the catalog opens up. > The link for this site is --- > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > <http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm> > > Enjoy! > > Yours in trains, > Rich Thanks for this great tip, and nostalgic trip this morning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54145	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: Scenic Express Roadway

Thanks, but I do not need anymore, thankfully. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:22 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Scenic Express Roadway Scan a length on your computer and print it on thick paper on your computer printer. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:53 AM To: Toy Trains; S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Scenic Express Roadway The roadway I am using on my layout has been discontinued by Scenic Express! I lucked out as I only needed one more plain black roadway to complete what I am doing. The reason they discontinued it was because it the line roadway was done by screen printing. half the order they got was smeared!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54146	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Rich, These sound like the Reggie Carnes video tapes put out many years ago on VHS. I used them to put myself to sleep on occasions. I think they were on five cartridges. Can I assume these will be on DVDs? I am interested if so. Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54147	From: Phil K	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Do these tapes include any of the counterfeit prototypes I have heard so much about over the years? Whatever happened to those? I'm talking about the ones listed in the first Greenberg book that were absent from later volumes. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Rich, These sound like the Reggie Carnes video tapes put out many years ago on VHS. > I used them to put myself to sleep on occasions. I think they were on five cartridges. > Can I assume these will be on DVDs? I am interested if so. > > Harwood >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54148	From: Michael Martino	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

would love a copy of that please let me know when available

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54149	From: John	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

I hate to spoil the party but are those videos copywrited? I'm sure someone would be concerned about making copies. Just a thought John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Martino" <muniman18@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer would love a copy of that please let me know when available ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54150	From: Larry Asp	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: LED Lights

After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright enough to light up the interior of my caboose. Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses AC voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it simply be a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff with LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple circuits for wiring them up etc. Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54151	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the appropriate value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and steamer Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the different LEDs. 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, larry.asp@... writes: After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright enough to light up the interior of my caboose. Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses AC voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it simply be a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff with LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple circuits for wiring them up etc. Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Join ChristianMingle.com® FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54152	From: John	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Yes Larry you can buy a cheap bag of LED's and make them work on AC or DC You Just need a dropping resistor inline with the annode. If you look at the LED body you will notice that on one side has a flat spot. That is the cathode or the negative lead on the LED. You should be able to find bargan LED's on the internet that will work fine. Here is a site that will help you figure out what value of resistor to use for the voltage you are using. http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54153	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: detailing AF locos

Please keep us posted. Thanks. Looks good. Ingenious to say the least.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54154	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

I've had very good luck with a fellow on EBay. (and I'm not trying to invite a discussion about EBay/PayPal). Anyhow, he has been very helpful to me with LED's and appropriate applications and his prices are cheap! His EBay ID is: speedypete99 and his EBay Store is called Hi Output. He has set me up with the right color and sized LED's and the necessary resistors. (This isn't an advertisement, just passing along info). Pat, In Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Asp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] LED Lights After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright enough to light up the interior of my caboose. Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses AC voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it simply be a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff with LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple circuits for wiring them up etc. Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54155	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

They contain all the so-called fakes and more. But I would like to add, after many years of observing American Flyer variations and prototypes, some of these could have been legitimate.? My VHS?copies were made from copies, so I hope the new DVDs are of higher quality. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Phil K <waldootten@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 9:11 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer Do these tapes include any of the counterfeit prototypes I have heard so much about over the years? Whatever happened to those? I'm talking about the ones listed in the first Greenberg book that were absent from later volumes. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Rich, These sound like the Reggie Carnes video tapes put out many years ago on VHS. > I used them to put myself to sleep on occasions. I think they were on five cartridges. > Can I assume these will be on DVDs? I am interested if so. > > Harwood > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54156	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

and he notes - The DVD copies will be no better than the originals. Unfortunately the six hour VHS recording is the lowest quality format for that media so the DVDs will be not be high quality. If you attempt to sell them on eBay be sure they are in the public domain. Just copying someone else's work isn't allowed and your auction will be shut down. Good luck - Raleigh Emporium Pictures At 08:07 PM 5/1/2009, HOwingsiii@... wrote: >They contain all the so-called fakes and more. But I would like to >add, after many years of observing American Flyer variations and >prototypes, some of these could have been legitimate.? My VHS?copies >were made from copies, so I hope the new DVDs are of higher quality. > >Harwood > >-----Original Message----- >From: Phil K <<mailto:waldootten%40yahoo.com>waldootten@...> >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 9:11 am >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer > >Do these tapes include any of the counterfeit prototypes I have >heard so much about over the years? Whatever happened to those? I'm >talking about the ones listed in the first Greenberg book that were >absent from later volumes. > >Phil K > >--- In <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, >HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > > Rich, These sound like the Reggie Carnes video tapes put out many > years ago on VHS. > > I used them to put myself to sleep on occasions. I think they > were on five cartridges. > > Can I assume these will be on DVDs? I am interested if so. > > > > Harwood > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54157	From: Phil K	Date: 5/1/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

The original party who made the videos earned a copyright the minute they were made. You do not have to "register" with any government agency any original work of art -- videos, photographs and writing included. To make copies, a person would have to possess a document from the original owner granting license for copying and distributing the videos. It is against the law to make copies of another person's work without owning the rights. And Raleigh is correct. Transferring an analog VHS signal to DVD will result in a copy that has lost about 15 to 20 percent of its quality and picked up "noise", depending on the transfer equipment used. In a professional studio scenario you might be able to transfer a signal that is 90 percent of the one being copied. But that costs big dough. In other words, the second-generation copies will be worse (grainy, fuzzy, dark, bad colors) than the first-generation copies because they are copies, too, making them about 30 to 40 percent worse than the original master tapes. You can make a copy of a copy of a copy and get a video that is virtually unwatchable. Add the fact that VHS tape degrades a signal over the years, too. The same thing happens to photos copied and copied in the jpeg format, but that's an entirely different topic. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> wrote: > > and he notes - > > The DVD copies will be no better than the originals. Unfortunately > the six hour VHS recording is the lowest quality format for that > media so the DVDs will be not be high quality. If you attempt to sell > them on eBay be sure they are in the public domain. Just copying > someone else's work isn't allowed and your auction will be shut down. > > Good luck - > > Raleigh > Emporium Pictures > > > At 08:07 PM 5/1/2009, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > > >They contain all the so-called fakes and more. But I would like to > >add, after many years of observing American Flyer variations and > >prototypes, some of these could have been legitimate.? My VHS?copies > >were made from copies, so I hope the new DVDs are of higher quality. > > > >Harwood > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Phil K <<mailto:waldootten%40yahoo.com>waldootten@...> > >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 9:11 am > >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer > > > >Do these tapes include any of the counterfeit prototypes I have > >heard so much about over the years? Whatever happened to those? I'm > >talking about the ones listed in the first Greenberg book that were > >absent from later volumes. > > > >Phil K > > > >--- In <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, > >HOwingsiii@ wrote: > > > > > > Rich, These sound like the Reggie Carnes video tapes put out many > > years ago on VHS. > > > I used them to put myself to sleep on occasions. I think they > > were on five cartridges. > > > Can I assume these will be on DVDs? I am interested if so. > > > > > > Harwood > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54158	From: Gerald Shultz Sr	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: LEDS ALL COLORS BOTH FLASHING AND NON-FLASHING AC/DC

I have recently installed LED flashing red lights for end of train devices, also warning lights. They were purchased from Evans Designs, P. O. Box 2044, Broomfield, Co. 80038, phone number 303-410-1118, web site www.modeltrainsoftware.com   They are reasonable in price and available in clear and colors, prewired to work on AC/DCC/DC 6-19 volt or 5-12 volt DC.   Great people to deal with that back the product. I am currently using 8 red flashers off AC track power and 1 with a 9 volt battery installed as a "FRED" in a box car.   Also have a 2 year no hastle gaurantee.   G. Shultz Sr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54159	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism....This Week at SHS

This week at SHS�.. Last Sunday our latest shipment left Hong Kong on the container ship "Vancouver Bridge" due into the port of New York on May 20th. This shipment includes the next run of reefers (Marhofer, SFRD, PFE - oval scheme and unlettered reefer yellow), rebuilt boxcars (MP, C&O and PL&E) and the remaining roadnames of steam era square hatched covered hoppers (LV, GTW, CASO, NYC#2 and MEC#1). Also on the shipment will be our #00259 20� radius curved track. Strong starter train set sales this fall depleted our stock. http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Last week we attended and set up at the York TCA Train Meet. Although this year was a bit slower than past years (esp. on Saturday), we still saw many of our friends and met several new customers. At the show we displayed some new Billboard reefers and a new load for our flatcars. These are tarp covered steel coil loads that were made for us by Mark�s Toy Box, a company the specializes in 1/64� vehicles. Although marked as sold out, this will change shortly as another batch of coils are due next week. http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html The new reefers are not on our website yet, but will be posted in the next few weeks. The new roadnames include: DL&W, as delivered white scheme. Prima Brewery, reefer yellow with two tone blue logo and NWX Eatmor Cranberries, gray car with large red, white and blue rectangular logo. We expect these in July with the 2009 NASG convention cars. Robin sent out the SHS Updates and the Hobby Shop News a few weeks ago. Bill posted the Update as well as the most recent order form online. Both can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V20N2.pdf The Update introduced our 2009 Holiday offering, SHS will be producing a Great Northern boxcar with twinkling Christmas tree inside. This is a USRA double sheathed boxcar in Great Northern livery. It features Rocky the Mountain Goat with the facing forward logo. The green Christmas tree will be peeking out from the interior is handpainted urethane with snow covered boughs and a twinkling star on top. The price is $62.95. You can order now with a $20.00 deposit at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html We would like to invite all our friends and customers to our SHS 20th Anniversary Open House to be held June 19th and 20th at our warehouse in Cliffwood, NJ. Join us for fun, food, friendship, specials and the famous Scratch & dent sale. To get here, take the Garden State Parkway to exit 120. Turn right off the exit on to Matwan Rd. At the first light turn left (Quik Chek on corner) on to Cliffwood Ave. Drive about 3/4 mile and look for a small white church on the right. Aberdeen Business Park is next to it on the right. On Friday, please park in the church lot. On Saturday you can park in any open parking space or in the church lot. Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54160	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have bought recently from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor required... Roy Inman on 5/1/09 3:59 PM, boss31@... at boss31@... wrote: > > > > > > You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the > appropriate > value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and > steamer > Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. > Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the different > LEDs. > 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > larry.asp@... <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca> writes: > > > > > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask > some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling > stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I > purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and > not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright > enough to light up the interior of my caboose. > > Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - > and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very > little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses AC > voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it simply > be > a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it > pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? > > Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff with > LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple > circuits for wiring them up etc. > > Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - > the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a > melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might > have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on > how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************Join ChristianMingle.com® FREE! Meet Christian Singles in > your area. Start now! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http: > //www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 > src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54161	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Most resistors operate in the 3 volt range. You put 15v AC (or DC) track current into one and it's toast. In a message dated 05/02/2009 1:16:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have bought recently from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor required... Roy Inman on 5/1/09 3:59 PM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) at _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote: > > > > > > You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the > appropriate > value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and > steamer > Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. > Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the different > LEDs. > 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > _larry.asp@sympaticolar_ (mailto:larry.asp@...) <mailto:larry.mailto:larry.<WBma> writes: > > > > > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask > some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling > stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I > purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and > not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright > enough to light up the interior of my caboose. > > Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - > and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very > little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses AC > voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it simply > be > a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it > pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? > > Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff with > LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple > circuits for wiring them up etc. > > Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - > the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a > melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might > have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on > how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ************ ************<WBR>**Join ************<WBR>**Join Christia > your area. Start now! > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http:_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http:) > //www.christianming //www.chris //www. //www > src%3Dplatforma% src%3Dplatf src%3Dplatf src%3D > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54162	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Terry Putt Lives!

We just returned from the Spring S Spree at Strongsville ,Ohio and met a bunch of S Trains folks we knew and many we met for the first time! Good to put a face to the writing. (Several said I wrote much thinner than I look!) ;-) Also on hand was Terry Putt (some rumors had him deceased) and talked with him for some time. Not dead, but temporariy out of business. His "real" job is as a precision machinist and he's been working VERY long hours on a sub-contract for a large project. Because of this Putt Trains is on hold (quite understandable) but he plans to make a come back when time permits. Plans include a run of Dockside 0-4-0 switcher, the industrial diesels, a "bump & go trolley version, RTR "Rex" all metal flatcars and gondolas, and a couple of surprises I can't tell you about yet. Unfortunately, it looks like a return of the 0-6-0 switchers and 2-6-0 Moguls are not in the near future for various reasons. However, all these plans hang on his work status, and in this day and age, that has to come first! Anyway it was good to see Terry and everyone else again! Stumpy Stone...good job CuyahogaValley gang...back home in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54163	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

It depends on the rating of the LED.  All diodes are rated by he voltage they will pass, more improtantly the peak inverse voltage.  If the peak inverse voltage is , say 20 volts, then no dropping resistor is needed. Ted Weiler ________________________________ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 1:35:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LED Lights I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have bought recently  from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor required... Roy Inman on 5/1/09 3:59 PM, boss31@... at boss31@... wrote: >  >  > >  > > You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the > appropriate > value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and > steamer > Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. > Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the different >  LEDs. > 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. >  > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise >  > In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > larry.asp@... <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca>  writes: >  >  >  > > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask > some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling > stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I > purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and > not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright > enough to light up the interior of my caboose. > > Question - I would like  to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - > and how they were used. - IE -  you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very > little money - and how to take  advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses AC > voltage from the transformer -  and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it simply > be > a matter of connecting the LED  through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it > pulsating DC) along with an  appropriate resistor to get them to light? > > Im sure there are those on  the group who have made up their own stuff with > LEDs, Id like to hear more  about how it was done, and find some simple > circuits for wiring them up etc. > > Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel  - > the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a > melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might > have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on >  how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been  removed] > > **************Join ChristianMingle.com® FREE! Meet Christian Singles in > your area. Start now! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http: > //www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 > src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >  >    > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54164	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Flyernut Meeting and Gilbert Painting

Hi Folks, This is from an article on my website. "On April 23rd more than one hundred A. C. Gilbert enthusiasts met at the Reliance Fire Hall in York, Pennsylvania. Many interesting Gilbert items were displayed, but the real treat of the evening was the unexpected exhibition of a painting that once hung over the Fireplace of A. C. Gilbert! This artwork depicts a family gathered around a railroad bridge being constructed from an Erector set." I invite you to come and view this amazing painting that A. C. once owned! Also in the Albums section are other photos I took at the meeting. The Link... http://www.myflyertrains.org Enjoy... Chuck Harrington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54165	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/3/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54166	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: AF track and Locomotives.

I am in the process of building a new layout. Plan on using AF train sets from the early 1960's. Can I use S helper tracks . My trains are High- Rail. Loco numbers 283 and 302. Are these AC or DC motors. Any sugestions if I want to modify to use DCC.I want to stay with AF if possible.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54167	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

My LED¹s operate perfectly on 18V AC. Roy I nman on 5/2/09 3:09 PM, boss31@... at boss31@... wrote: > > > > > > Most resistors operate in the 3 volt range. You put 15v AC (or DC) track > current into one and it's toast. > > > In a message dated 05/02/2009 1:16:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> writes: > > I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have > bought recently from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor > required... > Roy Inman > > on 5/1/09 3:59 PM, _boss31@... <mailto:_boss31%40aol.com> _ > (mailto:boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> ) at > _boss31@... <mailto:_boss31%40aol.com> _ (mailto:boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> ) wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the >> > appropriate >> > value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and >> > steamer >> > Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. >> > Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the > different >> > LEDs. >> > 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. >> > >> > Steve >> > SnS Trains >> > Boise >> > >> > In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> > _larry.asp@sympaticolar_ (mailto:larry.asp@... >> <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca> ) > <mailto:larry.mailto:larry.<WBma> writes: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask >> > some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in > rolling >> > stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I >> > purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy > and >> > not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was > bright >> > enough to light up the interior of my caboose. >> > >> > Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - >> > and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very >> > little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses > AC >> > voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it > simply >> > be >> > a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives > it >> > pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? >> > >> > Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff > with >> > LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple >> > circuits for wiring them up etc. >> > >> > Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - >> > the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - > causing a >> > melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight > might >> > have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions > on >> > how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > ************ ************<WBR>**Join ************<WBR>**Join Christia >> > your area. Start now! >> > > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http > :_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http: > ) >> > //www.christianming //www.chris //www. //www >> > src%3Dplatforma% src%3Dplatf src%3Dplatf src%3D >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. > Try the new Email Toolbar now! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54168	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

So what is peak inverse voltage? And how does it or does it not affect the incoming current, whether DC or AC? Roy Inman on 5/2/09 5:26 PM, Theodore Weiler at flier61@... wrote: > > > > > > It depends on the rating of the LED.  All diodes are rated by he voltage they > will pass, more improtantly the peak inverse voltage.  If the peak inverse > voltage is , say 20 volts, then no dropping resistor is needed. > > Ted Weiler > > ________________________________ > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 1:35:23 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LED Lights > > I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have > bought recently  from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor > required... > Roy Inman > > on 5/1/09 3:59 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> at boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: > >> >  >> >  >> > >> >  >> > >> > You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the >> > appropriate >> > value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and >> > steamer >> > Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. >> > Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the different >> >  LEDs. >> > 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. >> >  >> > Steve >> > SnS Trains >> > Boise >> >  >> > In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> > larry.asp@... <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca> >> <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca>  writes: >> >  >> >  >> >  >> > >> > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask >> > some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling >> > stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I >> > purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and >> > not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright >> > enough to light up the interior of my caboose. >> > >> > Question - I would like  to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - >> > and how they were used. - IE -  you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very >> > little money - and how to take  advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses >> AC >> > voltage from the transformer -  and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it >> simply >> > be >> > a matter of connecting the LED  through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it >> > pulsating DC) along with an  appropriate resistor to get them to light? >> > >> > Im sure there are those on  the group who have made up their own stuff with >> > LEDs, Id like to hear more  about how it was done, and find some simple >> > circuits for wiring them up etc. >> > >> > Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel  - >> > the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a >> > melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might >> > have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on >> >  how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been  removed] >> > >> > **************Join ChristianMingle.com® FREE! Meet Christian Singles in >> > your area. Start now! >> > >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http: >> > //www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 >> > src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> >  >> >    >> > >>> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54169	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF track and Locomotives.

Mark, You will be pleased with SHS track. In my experience, it had great conductivity and will handle just about any flavor of flanges, including old/new Flyer/Flyonel. It just has to be assembled with care so that everything matches up properly. Roy Inman on 5/2/09 7:55 PM, wisner_mark at wisner_mark@... wrote: > > > > > > I am in the process of building a new layout. > Plan on using AF train sets from the early 1960's. > Can I use S helper tracks . My trains are High- Rail. > Loco numbers 283 and 302. Are these AC or DC motors. > Any sugestions if I want to modify to use DCC.I want to stay with AF if > possible. > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54170	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF track and Locomotives.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Mark, > You will be pleased with SHS track. In my experience, it had great > conductivity and will handle just about any flavor of flanges, including > old/new Flyer/Flyonel. > It just has to be assembled with care so that everything matches up > properly. > Roy Inman > > > on 5/2/09 7:55 PM, wisner_mark at wisner_mark@... wrote: > > > Thanks can you give me any info on DCC? > > > > > > > > > > I am in the process of building a new layout. > > Plan on using AF train sets from the early 1960's. > > Can I use S helper tracks . My trains are High- Rail. > > Loco numbers 283 and 302. Are these AC or DC motors. > > Any sugestions if I want to modify to use DCC.I want to stay with AF if > > possible. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54171	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Oil Storage tanks

Does anyone know the name of the vendor in the Orange Hall who is at York everyear that makes gasoline storage tanks? Thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54172	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: Terry Putt Lives!

Cool, Knew he has a machine shop, its great that his main business is busy can't wait to see what new stuff he will produce. --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Terry Putt Lives! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 6:38 PM We just returned from the Spring S Spree at Strongsville ,Ohio and met a bunch of S Trains folks we knew and many we met for the first time! Good to put a face to the writing. (Several said I wrote much thinner than I look!) ;-) Also on hand was Terry Putt (some rumors had him deceased) and talked with him for some time. Not dead, but temporariy out of business. His "real" job is as a precision machinist and he's been working VERY long hours on a sub-contract for a large project. Because of this Putt Trains is on hold (quite understandable) but he plans to make a come back when time permits. Plans include a run of Dockside 0-4-0 switcher, the industrial diesels, a "bump & go trolley version, RTR "Rex" all metal flatcars and gondolas, and a couple of surprises I can't tell you about yet. Unfortunately, it looks like a return of the 0-6-0 switchers and 2-6-0 Moguls are not in the near future for various reasons. However, all these plans hang on his work status, and in this day and age, that has to come first! Anyway it was good to see Terry and everyone else again! Stumpy Stone...good job CuyahogaValley gang...back home in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54173	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF track and Locomotives.

Dear Mark, Yes you can use SHS track. I use it with my K 325 Hudson from 1952 and have no problems, Just run slow through their switches to avoid anyderails at the switch.                                       Thanks,                                                   Alan Lambert                                                   Lone Star Flyer Club I am not listed on their website yet. We are in Irving Texas Fixing to move to Arlington Texas. --- On Sat, 5/2/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF track and Locomotives. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 7:55 PM I am in the process of building a new layout. Plan on using AF train sets from the early 1960's. Can I use S helper tracks . My trains are High- Rail. Loco numbers 283 and 302. Are these AC or DC motors. Any sugestions if I want to modify to use DCC.I want to stay with AF if possible. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54174	From: John	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Kalmback videos

I was bored today and started going through my vcr tapes looking to convert them over to DVD's as was mentioned by Richard Falzini for his videos. Low and behold I ran across 2 tapes that I had recorded off the local PBS station that features the Kalmback Model Train Series. That's 2 - 6 hour tapes filled. I think there are 12 - series on them from what I have labeled on the tapes. I guess it's a good thing I am converting them over now as they have started to degrade in quality over the years. So far most of the layouts are either HO, N or O but the one I'm coping now shows a S gauge layout. I'm taking a lot of good notes off these videos so I can quit procrastinating and get started building my layout. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54175	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/2/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Mine work fine also because they are rated 15-18v. I placed them in a caboose and in fire trucks. They were purchased at a Greenberg show. Dave in Maryland. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:28 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LED Lights My LED¹s operate perfectly on 18V AC. Roy I nman on 5/2/09 3:09 PM, boss31@... at boss31@... wrote: > > > > > > Most resistors operate in the 3 volt range. You put 15v AC (or DC) track > current into one and it's toast. > > > In a message dated 05/02/2009 1:16:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> writes: > > I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have > bought recently from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor > required... > Roy Inman > > on 5/1/09 3:59 PM, _boss31@... <mailto:_boss31%40aol.com> _ > (mailto:boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> ) at > _boss31@... <mailto:_boss31%40aol.com> _ (mailto:boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> ) wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the >> > appropriate >> > value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and >> > steamer >> > Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. >> > Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the > different >> > LEDs. >> > 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. >> > >> > Steve >> > SnS Trains >> > Boise >> > >> > In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> > _larry.asp@sympaticolar_ (mailto:larry.asp@... >> <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca> ) > <mailto:larry.mailto:larry.<WBma> writes: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask >> > some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in > rolling >> > stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I >> > purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy > and >> > not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was > bright >> > enough to light up the interior of my caboose. >> > >> > Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - >> > and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very >> > little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses > AC >> > voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it > simply >> > be >> > a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives > it >> > pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? >> > >> > Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff > with >> > LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple >> > circuits for wiring them up etc. >> > >> > Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - >> > the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - > causing a >> > melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight > might >> > have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions > on >> > how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > ************ ************<WBR>**Join ************<WBR>**Join Christia >> > your area. Start now! >> > > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.ht tp > :_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=htt p: > ) >> > //www.christianming //www.chris //www. //www >> > src%3Dplatforma% src%3Dplatf src%3Dplatf src%3D >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. > Try the new Email Toolbar now! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.13/2091 - Release Date: 05/01/09 17:52:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LEDS

I took this out of an E-Bay listing...Mike with resistors for working with up to 18 Volts This auction is for a package of 10 new T-1 size (3mm or 1/8") bright white LEDs and 10 750 ohm resistors to allow operating at up to the 18 volts which your power pack is capable of putting out, and makes these ideal for use with DCC systems. Using 470-ohm resistors intended for use at up to 13 volts will cause the LED to fail if operated above that voltage. Most HO and N power packs are capable of putting out 17 to 18 volts. These are amazingly bright LED's with a brightness rating of 6000+ mcd. These have a slight blue tint to them, and will give your models' lighting a modern 'halogen' look. Very similar to those used by high-end model locomotive manufacturers like Kato, these will make excellent replacement pieces for adding to, or replacing burnt out ones. Replace those dim yellow and amber factory-installed LED's in your N scale Bachmann Spectrum diesels with something that will really light up! They are also suitable for use in a constant lighting headlight circuit which puts out a minimum of 2.2 volts that these require to light, up to a maximum of 3.6 volts. 3 volts is a preferred minimum. Use with the included 750-ohm resistor soldered in series with either lead to replace an ordinary 16-18V bulb as a directional headlight or backup light when using DC power. This allows you to have the headlight on only when traveling forward, and the backup light on only when traveling in reverse. LED's with resistors for working with 12 or 24 volts can be found in my other listings. When operated on AC power, they will light up in both directions, and a 1N4001 rectifier diode should be used across the LED to lessen the risk of it burning out due to excess reverse voltage spikes. When properly installed, these LED's have a life span of approximately 100,000 hours - that's over ten years of use 24/7 - you may never have to replace them. They generate almost no heat, so they are safe to use next to plastic that an ordinary light bulb would warp or melt. These can also be used for other lighting effects, such as ditch lights, building interiors, streetlights, accent lights, the list goes on... Use with two 'AA' batteries to make an excellent flashlight or nightlight; a pair of batteries will power a single LED for over two weeks continuously...24 hrs a day! **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376998x1201454298/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=M ay5309AvgfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54177	From: michael prell	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Kalmback videos

John, Was that the old TRACKS AHEAD series? Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 5/2/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Kalmback videos To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 PM I was bored today and started going through my vcr tapes looking to convert them over to DVD's as was mentioned by Richard Falzini for his videos. Low and behold I ran across 2 tapes that I had recorded off the local PBS station that features the Kalmback Model Train Series. That's 2 - 6 hour tapes filled. I think there are 12 - series on them from what I have labeled on the tapes. I guess it's a good thing I am converting them over now as they have started to degrade in quality over the years. So far most of the layouts are either HO, N or O but the one I'm coping now shows a S gauge layout. I'm taking a lot of good notes off these videos so I can quit procrastinating and get started building my layout. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54178	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Diodes only conduct in one direction.  With DC power you need to know its voltage rating.  With AC, the current goes in two directions.  When the power is flowing in the cathode and out the anode, the LED emits light.  When the AC power switches direction, the diode resists the current flow.  THis is where the peak inverse voltage comes into play.  IF it is too high for the rating, you will emit smoke.  IF you have sized it properly, there is no problem.  Originally diodes were used as rectifiers, making DC from AC. First tubes now "solid State". This is from basic electronics that I took in 1972.  One of the engineers may hve a problem with above, but I believe it is basically correct.  ________________________________ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 8:30:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LED Lights So what is peak inverse voltage? And how does it or does it not affect the incoming current, whether DC or AC? Roy Inman on 5/2/09 5:26 PM, Theodore Weiler at flier61@... wrote: >  >  > >  > > It depends on the rating of the LED.  All diodes are rated by he voltage they > will pass, more improtantly the peak inverse voltage.  If the peak inverse > voltage is , say 20 volts, then no dropping resistor is needed. > > Ted Weiler > > ________________________________ > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 1:35:23 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LED Lights > > I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have > bought recently  from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor > required... > Roy Inman > > on 5/1/09 3:59 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com>  at boss31@... > <mailto:boss31%40aol.com>  wrote: > >> >  >> >  >> > >> >  >> > >> > You do not need DC to make an LED function. Just a resistor of the >> > appropriate >> > value on the + leg of the LED. I do them all the time on both Diesel and >> > steamer >> > Flyer locos. The AC ripple is not discernable except at very low voltage. >> > Resistance will vary slightly from about 470 to 1200 ohms for the different >> >  LEDs. >> > 1000 Ohm will work on almost all of them. >> >  >> > Steve >> > SnS Trains >> > Boise >> >  >> > In a message dated 05/01/2009 2:53:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> > larry.asp@... <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca> >> <mailto:larry.asp%40sympatico.ca>  writes: >> >  >> >  >> >  >> > >> > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask >> > some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling >> > stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I >> > purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and >> > not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright >> > enough to light up the interior of my caboose. >> > >> > Question - I would like  to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - >> > and how they were used. - IE -  you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very >> > little money - and how to take  advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses >> AC >> > voltage from the transformer -  and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it >> simply >> > be >> > a matter of connecting the LED  through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it >> > pulsating DC) along with an  appropriate resistor to get them to light? >> > >> > Im sure there are those on  the group who have made up their own stuff with >> > LEDs, Id like to hear more  about how it was done, and find some simple >> > circuits for wiring them up etc. >> > >> > Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel  - >> > the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a >> > melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might >> > have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on >> >  how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been  removed] >> > >> > **************Join ChristianMingle.com® FREE! Meet Christian Singles in >> > your area. Start now! >> > >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http: >> > //www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 >> > src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> >  >> >    >> > >>> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >  >    > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54179	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: LEDs

As I said earlier (or tried to), MOST LEDs operate around 3 volts, whether AC or DC thus a resistor is needed if they are operated on track voltage. Having learned this the hard way, take it as fact. . Steve SnS **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54180	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks

Mike & all, Try looking at the PVC end caps in the 1 1/2 up size....Some are domed 7 the stairs might be avail. Mike Who In a message dated 5/2/2009 7:25:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Does anyone know the name of the vendor in the Orange Hall who is at York everyear that makes gasoline storage tanks? Thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54181	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Roy, what I believe you may be missing is all the "Evan Design" supplied LED's that I have seen come equipped with the appropriate dropping resistor. A link to Evan Designs: http://www.modeltrainsoftware.com/bl-212.html MK ************************************************** I must be missing something here. The AC/DC universal LEDs that I have bought recently from Evan Designs work fine on direct AC, no resistor required... Roy Inman ************************************************* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54182	From: John	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Kalmback videos

Hi Mike No they were the original Kalmback video series from Model Railroader. They came on the first thing on a Sunday morning as soon as the PBS went on air It was nice because there were no commercials in them, just 1 hour of model railroading. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael prell" <mlprell@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kalmback videos John, Was that the old TRACKS AHEAD series? Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 5/2/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Kalmback videos To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 PM I was bored today and started going through my vcr tapes looking to convert them over to DVD's as was mentioned by Richard Falzini for his videos. Low and behold I ran across 2 tapes that I had recorded off the local PBS station that features the Kalmback Model Train Series. That's 2 - 6 hour tapes filled. I think there are 12 - series on them from what I have labeled on the tapes. I guess it's a good thing I am converting them over now as they have started to degrade in quality over the years. So far most of the layouts are either HO, N or O but the one I'm coping now shows a S gauge layout. I'm taking a lot of good notes off these videos so I can quit procrastinating and get started building my layout. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54183	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

The link below has will allow you to setup an array of LEDs just enter the specs from your LED installation. If you select the "wiring diagram" option it will provide a graphic of what your wiring setup would look like, and shows you where to install the resistors. http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz If you buy a bag of LEDs which is the most economical way to go the specs are usually supplied with them. MK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling stock and engines - if only there were inexpensive ways to set them up. I purchased a 13 volt ac/dc LED bulb today to try it - and was both happy and not so happy with it - First was the price - not cheap - but it was bright enough to light up the interior of my caboose. Question - I would like to ask about inexpensive ways to hook up LEDs - and how they were used. - IE - you can buy LEDs by the bag full for very little money - and how to take advantage of this? Since Flyer stuff uses AC voltage from the transformer - and the LEDs want DC voltage - can it simply be a matter of connecting the LED through a diode/rectifier ( which gives it pulsating DC) along with an appropriate resistor to get them to light? Im sure there are those on the group who have made up their own stuff with LEDs, Id like to hear more about how it was done, and find some simple circuits for wiring them up etc. Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on how to find a replacement shell? Writing Lionel doesn't seem to help. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54184	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

I have had a near miss with the older Flyonel Geeps. There is only a plastic clip and sometimes tape holding the light in place. http://www.mwkiner.com/crane/topview.jpg The link above is a view inside the typical Flyonel Geep shell (with a lot of TMCC conversion stuff. Notice the tail end light is free to push up against the top of the shell. (Replacing the light with an LED is especially important with TMCC conversion as you will likely have higher, continuous track voltage. (depends on you) Lionel is not likely to have a painted Conrail shell for you, as these older items are typically no longer in stock. Go to the Lionel web site and send an email. I have 100% reply rate from them via email, and they have been very helpful in finding newer and older parts. As much as people gripe about Lionel I must say this is much better than I get when emailing AM. (they have about a 50% reply rate) Their contact reply link is: http://www.lionel.com/ContactUs/email.cfm Your best bet is eBay or a swap meet for a shell, but finding a painted Conrail shell will be tough. (but not impossible) I do have a complete Conrail GEEP NIB that I would consider selling, but that is kind of an expensive solution. MK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Also - Ive recently had a bad experience with a Flyonel Conrail diesel - the headlight came loose inside, and would up touching the shell - causing a melt spot on the top of the shell - I think an LED type of headlight might have prevented this damage. Anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions on how to find a replacement shell? Writing LIonel doesnt seem to help. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54185	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: 2009 Spree

Gentlemen, In the next couple of days, I will be posting some photos I took of the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers display layout and the great things other folks ran on it. Including John Griffin's Schnabel car! That thing is amazing. The fact that it ran on our trackwork makes me feel good about its quality. On the other hand, it also speaks well of John's modeling ability. Members of the Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers also brought some of their trains to run. It made a great opportunity to see more trains run. Thanks, guys! The Spree was fun, and it was great meeting guys with whom I have only known via the Net. And isn't that what it's all about? Remember guys, the next Spree is being hosted by my club in Dearborn, Michigan. Forms for registration and the Spree cars will be on our website "smsgtrains(dot)org" in the next few weeks. Look for them. The Spree site (the Ford Event and Conference Center) is across a parking lot from the Amtrak station (we will be announcing the arrival and departure of the trains) and within a couple of miles of the Henry Ford Museum, IMAX Theater and Greenfield Village. Information on other great attractions will be available online and at the convention site. Fairlane Mall is across the Avenue and MANY hotels and restaurants are within 5 miles of the venue. Our host hotel will be the Hyatt Regency. Special rates available. More information will be posted on the SMSG site at a later date. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 Spree [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54186	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks

Mike.... When I was a kid my OIL TANKS were a "Chase and Sanborn Coffe Can, Painted silver and hand lettered ESSO!!!" They did they trick..... Then, but now I would make one more to scale.... There is a company that makes all kinds of piping and tank pieces... elbows, valves, tank ends, tank tubes, piping, stands, etc... I don't remember the address, but maybe someone can post the site.... Its fun to build your own models!!!! Bob Conner --- On Sat, 5/2/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oil Storage tanks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:00 PM Mike & all, Try looking at the PVC end caps in the 1 1/2 up size....Some are domed 7 the stairs might be avail. Mike Who In a message dated 5/2/2009 7:25:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: Does anyone know the name of the vendor in the Orange Hall who is at York everyear that makes gasoline storage tanks? Thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar. aol.com/mail/ download. html?ncid= txtlnkusdown0000 0027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54187	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

LEDs were my first 'obsession' when I got back into AC Gilbert. I had used them in HO before but that was easy, being DC. They are relatively cheap and the results are great. My Alco headlight illuminates the opposite wall as it goes down the track... no exaggeration. On AC, along with the limiting resistor you need to protect the LED with a diode so that current only flows through the LED in one direction. But that can be an advantage as the diode used to protect the LED and be another LED. That gives you twice the light and draws no more current than one LED. Check out this pdf from Steve Gruebbel in the files section: LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT II.pdf It is extremely well done. It will give you all the theory and practical info you need to do engine headlights. After reading it you will feel like an expert. Almost all of my locos have this lighting arrangement. It draws less current than a bulb leaving more for the smoke unit. If your engine does not have the 5th wire for the headlight and smoke unit it also offers the advantage of pulling less current through the reverse unit fingers. I have also used LEDs in passenger cars (usually 4 per car) with a rectifier, voltage regulator and large (4700 mfd) capacitor. The result is passenger cars that are bright and do not flicker at all. In fact they stay lighted for a few seconds after the track power is cut. My streamline observation car has an amber LED shining through the drumhead and an ultrabright red shining through the taillight along with 4 ultrabright whites in the car. The vistadome in this set illuminates the ceiling through the dome... maybe too bright, but I like it. A couple of caveats with LEDs on AC. First, the color of an ultrabright white is fairly blue. In a car it resembles fluorescent rather than incandescent lighting. My attempts to use a yellow filter result in a 'cat urine' color. The second caveat is flicker. The LED is only 'on' thirty times a second as it is lit for half the wave of a 60 cycle source. Sometimes, out of the corner of your eye you can see this flicker which is like a really fast strobe light. Obviously that does not trouble me too much. Check out allelectronics.com for ultrabright LEDs and resistors. They are inexpensive and quick to ship. For loco headlights check out yeloglow LEDs from Miniatronics. They are a little more expensive and not quite as bright, but look a little more natural in a steamer. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Theodore Weiler <flier61@...> wrote: > > Diodes only conduct in one direction.  With DC power you need to know its voltage rating.  With AC, the current goes in two directions.  When the power is flowing in the cathode and out the anode, the LED emits light.  When the AC power switches direction, the diode resists the current flow.  THis is where the peak inverse voltage comes into play.  IF it is too high for the rating, you will emit smoke.  IF you have sized it properly, there is no problem.  Originally diodes were used as rectifiers, making DC from AC. First tubes now "solid State". > > This is from basic electronics that I took in 1972.  One of the engineers may hve a problem with above, but I believe it is basically correct.  >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54188	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

I made a Mod made to a Flyonel SD-9 using two LED for the headlights and two grain of wheat bulbs for the marker lights on each end of the loco Here are some links: Photo of the loco. Note the brilliance of the headlight in a fully lit room. http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/sd-40-2.jpg Boards I made for the lights http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lights1.jpg Installation in the body. http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lightsinstalled.jpg These mods were powered with a TMCC system but would work in a conventioal AC using directional constant lighting circuits or dropping resistors. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54189	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks

Thanks Bob and Mike, as PVC tubing might be the answer, as decals are available. Gene C. gave me the idea for a small area. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oil Storage tanks Mike.... When I was a kid my OIL TANKS were a "Chase and Sanborn Coffe Can, Painted silver and hand lettered ESSO!!!" They did they trick..... Then, but now I would make one more to scale.... There is a company that makes all kinds of piping and tank pieces... elbows, valves, tank ends, tank tubes, piping, stands, etc... I don't remember the address, but maybe someone can post the site.... Its fun to build your own models!!!! Bob Conner --- On Sat, 5/2/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oil Storage tanks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:00 PM Mike & all, Try looking at the PVC end caps in the 1 1/2 up size....Some are domed 7 the stairs might be avail. Mike Who In a message dated 5/2/2009 7:25:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: Does anyone know the name of the vendor in the Orange Hall who is at York everyear that makes gasoline storage tanks? Thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar. aol.com/mail/ download. html?ncid= txtlnkusdown0000 0027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54190	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Tim, The LED¹s I have bought from Evan Designs are plug-and-play. No need to add resistors. I have bought the Universal LED¹s and looks to me like the resistors are already wired in. They will handle 5~19 volts AC, DCC or DC. Not as cheap as plain old tungsten lights, but will last darn near forever and are bright. I have used the warm white, red, yellow and green LED¹s. Roy Inman on 5/3/09 9:27 AM, Tim Benner at tim.benner@... wrote: > > > > > > LEDs were my first 'obsession' when I got back into AC Gilbert. I had used > them in HO before but that was easy, being DC. They are relatively cheap and > the results are great. My Alco headlight illuminates the opposite wall as it > goes down the track... no exaggeration. On AC, along with the limiting > resistor you need to protect the LED with a diode so that current only flows > through the LED in one direction. But that can be an advantage as the diode > used to protect the LED and be another LED. That gives you twice the light > and draws no more current than one LED. > > Check out this pdf from Steve Gruebbel in the files section: > > LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT II.pdf > > It is extremely well done. It will give you all the theory and practical info > you need to do engine headlights. After reading it you will feel like an > expert. Almost all of my locos have this lighting arrangement. It draws less > current than a bulb leaving more for the smoke unit. If your engine does not > have the 5th wire for the headlight and smoke unit it also offers the > advantage of pulling less current through the reverse unit fingers. > > I have also used LEDs in passenger cars (usually 4 per car) with a rectifier, > voltage regulator and large (4700 mfd) capacitor. The result is passenger > cars that are bright and do not flicker at all. In fact they stay lighted for > a few seconds after the track power is cut. My streamline observation car has > an amber LED shining through the drumhead and an ultrabright red shining > through the taillight along with 4 ultrabright whites in the car. The > vistadome in this set illuminates the ceiling through the dome... maybe too > bright, but I like it. > > A couple of caveats with LEDs on AC. First, the color of an ultrabright white > is fairly blue. In a car it resembles fluorescent rather than incandescent > lighting. My attempts to use a yellow filter result in a 'cat urine' color. > The second caveat is flicker. The LED is only 'on' thirty times a second as > it is lit for half the wave of a 60 cycle source. Sometimes, out of the > corner of your eye you can see this flicker which is like a really fast strobe > light. Obviously that does not trouble me too much. > > Check out allelectronics.com for ultrabright LEDs and resistors. They are > inexpensive and quick to ship. For loco headlights check out yeloglow LEDs > from Miniatronics. They are a little more expensive and not quite as bright, > but look a little more natural in a steamer. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Theodore > Weiler <flier61@...> wrote: >> > >> > Diodes only conduct in one direction.  With DC power you need to know its >> voltage rating.  With AC, the current goes in two directions.  When the power >> is flowing in the cathode and out the anode, the LED emits light.  When the >> AC power switches direction, the diode resists the current flow.  THis is >> where the peak inverse voltage comes into play.  IF it is too high for the >> rating, you will emit smoke.  IF you have sized it properly, there is no >> problem.  Originally diodes were used as rectifiers, making DC from AC. First >> tubes now "solid State". >> > >> > This is from basic electronics that I took in 1972.  One of the engineers >> may hve a problem with above, but I believe it is basically correct.  >> > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54191	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LEDs

We had a similar experience with a flashing LED non-resistor installed as a warning light on the top of a bridge. One of our group of Foaming Rivet Counters did not realize that it would not handle AC and hooked it up to AC track. No flashing, no nothin¹. Roy Inman on 5/2/09 10:21 PM, boss31@... at boss31@... wrote: > > > > > > As I said earlier (or tried to), MOST LEDs operate around 3 volts, whether > AC or DC thus a resistor is needed if they are operated on track voltage. > Having learned this the hard way, take it as fact. . > > Steve > SnS > **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. > Try the new Email Toolbar now! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54192	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

I have a photo of my tank farm posted here: http://tinyurl.com/catbpw You can look at other photos of the tanks and piping in the same gallery. The large vertical tanks are Lionel. The small vertical tanks are paper tubes covered with punched cardstock to represent rivets. The horizontal tanks are pcv pipe covered with punched cardstock. These are part of a Lehigh Valley kit. The piping and valves are from a Walther's piping kit. It has lots of pipe and fittings. If you have any questions drop me an email. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54193	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

<http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/sd-9schematic.jpg> http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/sd-9schematic.jpg (see lower left portion of schematic) Carl, I thought I would throw in the link to your schematic for the LED's and the marker lights, hope you don't mind. MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54194	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

Dave, Thanks for the photos. Scenic Express has some tanks that look pretty good. Could you tell me how tall and round the vertical tanks are when you get a chance. I hope you hip is doing well. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping I have a photo of my tank farm posted here: http://tinyurl.com/catbpw You can look at other photos of the tanks and piping in the same gallery. The large vertical tanks are Lionel. The small vertical tanks are paper tubes covered with punched cardstock to represent rivets. The horizontal tanks are pcv pipe covered with punched cardstock. These are part of a Lehigh Valley kit. The piping and valves are from a Walther's piping kit. It has lots of pipe and fittings. If you have any questions drop me an email. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54195	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

Bull.... Looks very nice.... Why don't you build one for Mike? I used to build models for various clients..... 500.00 min charge... Bob --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 12:13 PM I have a photo of my tank farm posted here: http://tinyurl. com/catbpw You can look at other photos of the tanks and piping in the same gallery. The large vertical tanks are Lionel. The small vertical tanks are paper tubes covered with punched cardstock to represent rivets. The horizontal tanks are pcv pipe covered with punched cardstock. These are part of a Lehigh Valley kit. The piping and valves are from a Walther's piping kit. It has lots of pipe and fittings. If you have any questions drop me an email. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54196	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Tank Dimensions

Mike, The horizontal tanks are 1 5/8" diameter by 4 1/2" long. The small vertical tanks are 3 7/8" diameter by 6" tall. The large vertical tanks are 6" diameter by 6" tall. The hip is doing much better - I'd say about 90% back to normal. I'm able to walk, climb stairs, get on the floor and more importantly get back up from the floor - lol. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54197	From: John	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Carl How did you get the black number boards with the white numbers?? John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: LED Lights >I made a Mod made to a Flyonel SD-9 using two LED for the headlights and >two > grain of wheat bulbs for the marker lights on each end of the loco > > Here are some links: > > Photo of the loco. Note the brilliance of the headlight in a fully lit > room. > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/sd-40-2.jpg > > > Boards I made for the lights > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lights1.jpg > > > Installation in the body. > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lightsinstalled.jpg > > These mods were powered with a TMCC system but would work in a conventioal > AC using directional constant lighting circuits or dropping resistors. > > Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54198	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

Bob, No discount? LOL They do look very nice. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping Bull.... Looks very nice.... Why don't you build one for Mike? I used to build models for various clients..... 500.00 min charge... Bob --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 12:13 PM I have a photo of my tank farm posted here: http://tinyurl. com/catbpw You can look at other photos of the tanks and piping in the same gallery. The large vertical tanks are Lionel. The small vertical tanks are paper tubes covered with punched cardstock to represent rivets. The horizontal tanks are pcv pipe covered with punched cardstock. These are part of a Lehigh Valley kit. The piping and valves are from a Walther's piping kit. It has lots of pipe and fittings. If you have any questions drop me an email. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54199	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/3/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54200	From: G C	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Oil Storage tanks

Guys Plastruct may have all that stuff. It would be in HO or O, but who cares. It is better than no detail at all. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54201	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: 710 Steam Whistle Control refurb

I am trying to refurb a 710 whistle control. The coils are good and I have been able to rewire a metal type tube to work with it. But I have run in to a couple of snags; The return spring is broken. It is just formed piece of .03 " spring wire. Anyone have any ideas on a source for this? The contacts on the rotary switch are pretty worn out. It is hit or miss on whether the unit will send power to the vibrator. I have had it apart and cleaned it but it is still balky. Usually it makes contact for the first quarter of the lever travel and nothing beyond that. Sometimes it makes contact all the way across. Certainly that rotary switch is not available any more. Any one have an idea on how to restore the contacts on the switch? Maybe a drop of solder? Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54202	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Those are original equipment on the UP SD-9. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: LED Lights Carl How did you get the black number boards with the white numbers?? John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@... <mailto:carl%40wsbt.com> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: LED Lights >I made a Mod made to a Flyonel SD-9 using two LED for the headlights and >two > grain of wheat bulbs for the marker lights on each end of the loco > > Here are some links: > > Photo of the loco. Note the brilliance of the headlight in a fully lit > room. > http://www.tuveson <http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/sd-40-2.jpg> com/sd-9-2/sd-40-2.jpg > > > Boards I made for the lights > http://www.tuveson <http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lights1.jpg> com/sd-9-2/lights1.jpg > > > Installation in the body. > http://www.tuveson <http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lightsinstalled.jpg> com/sd-9-2/lightsinstalled.jpg > > These mods were powered with a TMCC system but would work in a conventioal > AC using directional constant lighting circuits or dropping resistors. > > Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54203	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

Mike... how about 499.99!!! At York I found a 0-6-0 set I wanted... 900.00... after much dickering.... We setteled on 899.00.... Bob PS it turned out to be a steal!!!! I got it from John H --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 3:00 PM Bob, No discount? LOL They do look very nice. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping Bull.... Looks very nice.... Why don't you build one for Mike? I used to build models for various clients..... 500.00 min charge... Bob --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 12:13 PM I have a photo of my tank farm posted here: http://tinyurl. com/catbpw You can look at other photos of the tanks and piping in the same gallery. The large vertical tanks are Lionel. The small vertical tanks are paper tubes covered with punched cardstock to represent rivets. The horizontal tanks are pcv pipe covered with punched cardstock. These are part of a Lehigh Valley kit. The piping and valves are from a Walther's piping kit. It has lots of pipe and fittings. If you have any questions drop me an email. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54204	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Oil Tanks

Guys, In the photo section, 2009 Spree folder are three photos of our oil storage depot. The tanks are 4" PVC caps cemented to union joiners painted white and with a small elbow leading into the ground. It models underground piping which as everyone knows is safer (and easier to model). ;>) Hey, it's a portable layout, and everything has to be removable... Besides, I'm cheap.... Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54205	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

John, Those are the stock numberboards that came with the engine. That's why I wanted to be sure to get them lit properly. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: LED Lights Carl How did you get the black number boards with the white numbers?? John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: LED Lights >I made a Mod made to a Flyonel SD-9 using two LED for the headlights and >two > grain of wheat bulbs for the marker lights on each end of the loco > > Here are some links: > > Photo of the loco. Note the brilliance of the headlight in a fully lit > room. > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/sd-40-2.jpg > > > Boards I made for the lights > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lights1.jpg > > > Installation in the body. > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9-2/lightsinstalled.jpg > > These mods were powered with a TMCC system but would work in a conventioal > AC using directional constant lighting circuits or dropping resistors. > > Carl ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54206	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: before and after shots

It's been three years since I returned to AF and I have wanted a really nice 326 Hudson like I had as a kid. Actually the one I had as a kid was probably really nice minus a couple of steps and plus a few dings. Memory is selective. Since I could not fit one into the budget I decided to restore one. Doug at Port Lines knew I was looking for one that was a repaint candidate so when he found a 326 type tender dirty but intact he shipped it right away. A week later he found a loco (actually a K 325 but close enough). As it turned out they were a pair as they were both dripped with the same yellow paint. I think he was amused when he wrapped that one up. I'm glad that it lives at my house now! It's all original except for a flywheel motor and new reverse unit fingers. Check out the before and after pics on the bottom of the page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1069840229/pic/list Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54207	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control refurb

You can look up how to make a spring ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/intro.html You can also make new contacts for the switch. Clayton --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: > From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 710 Steam Whistle Control refurb > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 4:43 PM > I am trying to refurb a 710 whistle control. The coils are > good and I have been able to rewire a metal type tube to > work with it. But I have run in to a couple of snags; > > The return spring is broken. It is just formed piece of > .03 " spring wire. Anyone have any ideas on a source > for this? > > The contacts on the rotary switch are pretty worn out. It > is hit or miss on whether the unit will send power to the > vibrator. I have had it apart and cleaned it but it is > still balky. Usually it makes contact for the first quarter > of the lever travel and nothing beyond that. Sometimes it > makes contact all the way across. Certainly that rotary > switch is not available any more. Any one have an idea on > how to restore the contacts on the switch? Maybe a drop of > solder? > > Thanks, > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54208	From: rep928	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: American Models paint removal

At a flea market today, I picked up an undecorated AM 70' heavyweight baggage car ($10!) that someone had clearly tried to paint (badly). There is green paint on about 10% of the model. Any suggestions on safely removing the paint? Thanks! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54209	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

Bob. LOL Hey, I got a E+ 21145 from John Heck, this April that was marked at 785. He took 10 off, which I was very happy with, overall. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping Mike... how about 499.99!!! At York I found a 0-6-0 set I wanted... 900.00... after much dickering.... We setteled on 899.00.... Bob PS it turned out to be a steal!!!! I got it from John H --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 3:00 PM Bob, No discount? LOL They do look very nice. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping Bull.... Looks very nice.... Why don't you build one for Mike? I used to build models for various clients..... 500.00 min charge... Bob --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 12:13 PM I have a photo of my tank farm posted here: http://tinyurl. com/catbpw You can look at other photos of the tanks and piping in the same gallery. The large vertical tanks are Lionel. The small vertical tanks are paper tubes covered with punched cardstock to represent rivets. The horizontal tanks are pcv pipe covered with punched cardstock. These are part of a Lehigh Valley kit. The piping and valves are from a Walther's piping kit. It has lots of pipe and fittings. If you have any questions drop me an email. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54210	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

John is a little hard to deal with... But he has GOOD STUFF and is fair.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54211	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal

Castrol Super Clean that can be gotten at any Ace Hardware, safely removes paint from Plastic. I should know, I used on a car that I messed up a few year ago. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rep928 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models paint removal At a flea market today, I picked up an undecorated AM 70' heavyweight baggage car ($10!) that someone had clearly tried to paint (badly). There is green paint on about 10% of the model. Any suggestions on safely removing the paint? Thanks! - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54212	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping

I do not blame John or anyone else for trying to get the most for something that is most likely a one of a kind. I saw three 21145's as his was in the middle, price wise and the best of the three. Someone in time will buy it at his price for a one of a kind. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tank Farms - Tanks and Piping John is a little hard to deal with... But he has GOOD STUFF and is fair.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54213	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/3/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal

Hi Roy,   I do a lot of repainting and I have found that Chameleon Paint Stripper is the best around. It is available over the net and it can be reused after you screen out the old paint chips. I used to use plain brake fluid but Chameleon is bio-degradable and non toxic. It will not harm plastic in any way.   Regards, Nick Kulp 05-59603 --- On Sun, 5/3/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Models paint removal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 9:08 PM At a flea market today, I picked up an undecorated AM 70' heavyweight baggage car ($10!) that someone had clearly tried to paint (badly).  There is green paint on about 10% of the model. Any suggestions on safely removing the paint?  Thanks! - Roy ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54214	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: before and after shots

Very nice work Tim! Clayton D. Milwaukie OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54215	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal

We carry Chameleon, and the only caution is that there are two versions. The clear liquid should not be used on early plastics (i.e, early AF cars), but is fine on modern plastics. The blue gel can be used on any plastics. Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > I do a lot of repainting and I have found that Chameleon Paint Stripper is the best around. It is available over the net and it can be reused after you screen out the old paint chips. I used to use plain brake fluid but Chameleon is bio-degradable and non toxic. It will not harm plastic in any way. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54216	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Before and After

Nice work, Tim. Keep at it! Missed you at the Spree, you would have liked Jerry and I each having custom painted green K5's there! (His was better detailed and accurately colored.) Ken was there with several custom paints as well! Stumpy Stone...back into the rain in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54217	From: G C	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Before and After

So Stumpy and Jerry, let me see if I got this right - you two bashers were at the spring bash at the Spree. Say that ten times and win a hundred dollars. L.O.L. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54218	From: race944t	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

Put me on the list, too! Or, as my son used to say over and over and over again: "Me too, me too, me too, . . . " --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The Reardon's" <preardon@...> wrote: > > Well Yaaaa!!!!! > > Pat, In Maine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rfalzini > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer > > > > > > Hello, > I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. > > It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. > > It also show cases many proto types, such as a > > 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender > > 6 different colored circus coaches > > 343 circus engine with hand rails > > a yellow 343 circus engine > > 5 different track gang sets > > and much more!!! > > As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. > > If this is of interest to any one let me know! > > Thanks! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54219	From: race944t	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Pulling trains out after 40 years

Just make sure you get the old oil & grease replaced with modern lubs before you try to run them again. I would hate to hear that some armatures and/or fields got fried because it took so much current to run them because of the resistance imposed by the old hard grease. "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > SIGN ME UP FOR A COPY OF THE DVD WHEN AVAILABLE. > GREAT TO REVIEW IAM IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A NEW LAYOUT. I JUST PULLED THE TRAINS OUT OF THE CLOSET AFTER 40 YEARS. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54220	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: lionel dock sider

i bought a new lionel docksider...it will not smoke...and is it suppose to chuff....it anyone has had this problem let me know how you fixed it...i did all the things the instructions said...and did not add to much smoke fluid...will this engine use the flyer fluid?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54221	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal

Mike, Since I live about 20 miles from the factory, I remember that on one visit, they were stripping a batch of shells that were painted wrong in a large new trash can filled with full strength liquid detergent. It may have been Lysol, as it was green. So if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Joe, the foreman, said it takes a few days, but works well, and won't hurt the plastic. But then, he wasn't dealing with an unkknown brand of paint. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Castrol Super Clean that can be gotten at any Ace Hardware, safely removes paint from Plastic. > > I should know, I used on a car that I messed up a few year ago. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rep928 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] American Models paint removal > > > > > > At a flea market today, I picked up an undecorated AM 70' heavyweight baggage car ($10!) that someone had clearly tried to paint (badly). There is green paint on about 10% of the model. Any suggestions on safely removing the paint? Thanks! - Roy > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54222	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Models paint removal

Thumbs up on the Lysol.  I used it on an old 654 pullman and it worked - slowly, but it worked. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 8:25:32 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models paint removal Mike, Since I live about 20 miles from the factory, I remember that on one visit, they were stripping a batch of shells that were painted wrong in a large new trash can filled with full strength liquid detergent. It may have been Lysol, as it was green. So if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Joe, the foreman, said it takes a few days, but works well, and won't hurt the plastic. But then, he wasn't dealing with an unkknown brand of paint. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Castrol Super Clean that can be gotten at any Ace Hardware, safely removes paint from Plastic. > > I should know, I used on a car that I messed up a few year ago. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rep928 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] American Models paint removal > > > > > > At a flea market today, I picked up an undecorated AM 70' heavyweight baggage car ($10!) that someone had clearly tried to paint (badly). There is green paint on about 10% of the model. Any suggestions on safely removing the paint? Thanks! - Roy > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54223	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale 949 MP slug http://mopac1.tripod.com/949.gif 948 ATSF 50' black tank car (8-74, 11-80, 2-01) http://mopac1.tripod.com/948.gif 950 GACX 100 ton 2 bay covered hopper (8-98) http://mopac1.tripod.com/950.gif 951 Winchester & Western 2 bay covered hopper (4-97) http://mopac1.tripod.com/951.gif N & HO scale $4.00 each - S & O scale $7.25 each -- Tom Stolte owner of Oddballs Decals www.oddballsdecals.org aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-) only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall MP, CNW, MKT, KCS, DRGW, BN, RI, MILW, ATSF, KCT and SP Forever

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54224	From: race944t	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Deep Rock tankcars

Help! I have recently come across a 24320 and a 24321 Deep Rock tank cars. The 20 car is very plain with solid couplers, no marker boards, no handrail or ladders and is the split tank version. The tank is secured by the traditional single screw up through the bottom center of the frame. The color of the plastic is a rather dull black. It could be dull because of a lot of handling because unfortunately all four steps are broken and there are some nicks in the tank. The simulated air tanks on the frame are flat on the back side as is usual with this frame design. The car is pretty unremarkable and is in played with condition so I think it is authentic. OK the 21 car has a much more glossy finish, full knuckle couplers and is also unadorned without marker boards, handrails or ladders. The thing that is new to me is the frame and tank. The tank seems to just clip into the frame with two groved blocks on the underside of the tank. They clip into the frame just inboard of the trucks. The frame is entirely different in that there is no screw into the tank, the air tanks are fully formed and round on the inside and the frame has the part number PA-14 D 403 marked on it. It too has all four steps broken, nicks in the tank and appears in played with condition. Now for the questions: 1. Were these cars flat, glossy, both, or a combination? 2. Is the frame on the 21 car normal? Am I totally uninformed as to this frame design? 3. Why would Gilbert change the frame design from a simple clip in version in 1959 and go back to the screw in version for 1960? 4. Are there any know reproductions of these cars and if so, what should I look for? Thanks for any help. "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54225	From: John	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Your Video Tapes

As I was going through my videos, some from the 70's - 90's, I have found they are starting to degrade rather quickly. I am using the program Roxio Creator 2009 to transfer them over to DVD's. It looks like there are lots of features to enhance the quality and recreate you memories on DVD. If you have some videos you wish to keep, I would suggest you start converting them now before they are totally gone. Also this program works nice for making slide shows of your still pictures with your favorite music. I will be investing in a flat bed scanner as we have about 30 photo albums that are showing signs of picture degradation because of their age. I have already created a dvd for my wife of her favorite new digital camera pictures meshed together with her 70's and 80's favorite music. Very easy to do. No..... I'm not a salesman for the company but I have used Roxio software years ago and I was happy with it then as I am now. If you don't have the option to capture video on your computer from a vcr or other externam device, you can purchase a USB adator that will allow you to plug in a vcr, camcorder of other audio/ video device. Hmmm I could plug my cassette deck in to it and save my old cassette tapes to cd's.... Since my computer has a video capture card in it I am good to go....... I just thought I'd pass on this info as I see some of videos of my son are starting to fade in color and quality. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54226	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Your Video Tapes

Sounds good but don't forget to check your early DVD's for quality too. Some of the early ones have had trouble due to poor materials and manufacturing techniques when they were made and eventually refuse to play or become corrupted. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:35 AM To: S-group Subject: [S-Trains] Your Video Tapes As I was going through my videos, some from the 70's - 90's, I have found they are starting to degrade rather quickly. I am using the program Roxio Creator 2009 to transfer them over to DVD's. It looks like there are lots of features to enhance the quality and recreate you memories on DVD. If you have some videos you wish to keep, I would suggest you start converting them now before they are totally gone. Also this program works nice for making slide shows of your still pictures with your favorite music. I will be investing in a flat bed scanner as we have about 30 photo albums that are showing signs of picture degradation because of their age. I have already created a dvd for my wife of her favorite new digital camera pictures meshed together with her 70's and 80's favorite music. Very easy to do. No..... I'm not a salesman for the company but I have used Roxio software years ago and I was happy with it then as I am now. If you don't have the option to capture video on your computer from a vcr or other externam device, you can purchase a USB adator that will allow you to plug in a vcr, camcorder of other audio/ video device. Hmmm I could plug my cassette deck in to it and save my old cassette tapes to cd's.... Since my computer has a video capture card in it I am good to go....... I just thought I'd pass on this info as I see some of videos of my son are starting to fade in color and quality. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54227	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Lionel Docksider

My Docksider smoked, but not nearly as much as I felt it should. The choo-choo is only audible if you put your ear to it as it goes by. I'm told the smoke/choo-choo is similar to the old Gilbert HO unit. Use Lionel smoke fluid or Suethe fluid for best results. Eventually I took out all the electronics and ran mine straight DC. Runs better, smokes better(but still not great), still no better choo-choo sound, and I lost the blue headlights. These are disappointingly cheezy engines, but that's what $100+ buys these days, I guess. These would make a good chassis to scratchbuild some kind of new body on, which I'll probably do eventually. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54228	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Simmons

Does anyone know the background of the store that the Simmons set was made for? Where they were they located? Type of store? Are they still in business? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54229	From: michael prell	Date: 5/4/2009
Subject: Re: Before and After

That,That,That,That,That, That,That,That,That,That Where's my hundred? {:>)   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 5/4/09, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Before and After To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 9:14 AM So Stumpy and Jerry, let me see if I got this right - you two bashers were at the spring bash at the Spree. Say that ten times and win a hundred dollars. L.O.L. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54230	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: DCC Controls.

Any recomendations of a system that performs well and is user friendly. I think I can have my Locos converted with a decoder but not sound. Are early AF DC motors?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54231	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: -VIDEO: S ga, Automatic Switching Block

: This AutoControls.org Video #660 is essentially a continuation of the previous Mar 21 Video #659. This "Automatic Switching Block" combines an "Automatic Block" (1 track) plus an "Automatic Passing Siding" (2 tracks), to operate 3 trains on 1 track. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. THE LINKS: *Video Part 1: http://vimeo.com/4476398 *Video Part 2: http://vimeo.com/4481976 *Video Part 3: http://vimeo.com/4487094 *Wiring Diagram: http://track2.com/info/208 ============================= |||| ADDITIONAL COMMENTS |||| ============================= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. PRINCIPLES OF OPERATION: If you can visualize a loop of track, with a 2-track siding and a train parked on each siding -- with a 3rd train traveling on the mainline until it enters one of the siding, and then one of the two parked trains exits it's siding -- that's how this system works. The logic is flawless. The CHALLENGE is keeping all the hardware working properly -- turnouts throwing properly, trains not stalling nor uncoupling nor derailing. The previous two videos used DC current. This video uses North Coast Engineering DCC, since two of the locomotives have the older SoundTrax decoders which will not run on DC like most decoders will. These simple block systems will work for engines running on AC, DC, or DCC (but not battery power). "Reduced Modes of Operation": Toggle switches allow the block or passing siding or both to be "powered down" for operating just 2 trains, or the whole unit can be "powered down" so it acts just like a simple piece of straight track to operate 1 train. This is demonstrated in Part 2. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3. WHY USE THESE CONTROL SYSTEMS: I've had people ask me, "Why would anyone want to do that"? The three main reasons I can think of are: a) It allows 3 different trains to be displayed on the same loop of track (sometimes 4 if you have a long loop), b) It's something DIFFERENT for the public to watch; what with trains continually pulling in and out of the yard, c) It allows the locomotives to "REST", since each train is running only about 1/3 of the time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4. THE S-GAUGE COMPONENTS: This system uses magnets on the bottom of the locos/cars to activate a reed switch, which activates an automotive relay, which then throws the American Flyer turnouts. Automotive relays are used to handle the large amounts of current (estimated about 6 amps) required to operate a pair of American Flyer switches. Reed switches also control the RR-Concepts-operated block. Thanks to Mark Anderman for coming up with the wiring diagram, showing how to wire the automotive relays to control the American Flyer switches. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 5. FIRST BUILT 1992 IN LARGESCALE: We first built this "automatic switching block" in 1992 in LargeScale, using LGB components. You can build such a device in LargeScale using stock LGB components -- reed switches in protective enclosures (track contacts) that snap into the track, DPDT relays that plug into their switch machines, magnets that snap on the bottom of their locos, and track sections with gaps for blocks with screw terminals to easily wire everything up. It's a bit more challenging in S gauge, because nothing is designed for multi-train operation. You CAN do it with original American Flyer parts using the pressure-sensitive track trips as demonstrated by Dennis Oberholtzer and Mark Anderman in an earlier video, but it's kind of "tricky". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com -- http://AutoControls.org Williamsport PA <=> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54232	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.

Hi Tim, Nice layout and repaint on the Hudson! That's one of my favorite steamers. Bringing one of these old classics back to life is what I like to do too. Like Stumpy said we both had a K5 at the Spree, and mine had a can motor like yours. I had it running for hours pulling a string of detailed AM heavyweights plus two head end reefers. Total, it pulled 9 cars. Early Saturday I added 5 Flyonel PRR heavyweights and it didn't flinch. Of course, we had to use an 18B tranny to accommodate all those lights in the cars, but it looked great. Also at the Spree was the CVSG scale layout where they were running all sorts of great looking scale trains. One in particular stood out: an 80 (?) car reefer train pulled by an AM Northern. Ron B. was there and when he saw the train performing, the look on his face said: "Yup, that's my locomotive." The Central Ohio guys had their layout too, and were running four trians at once all the time. Nice job, guys! Speaking of the Spree, the album I started is open for anyone to post Spree photos. Come on guys, if you were there and took some, let's share them with the group! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 Spring Spree, Dearborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > It's been three years since I returned to AF and I have wanted a really nice 326 Hudson like I had as a kid. Since I could not fit one into the budget I decided to restore one. > > It's all original except for a flywheel motor and new reverse unit fingers. > > Check out the before and after pics on the bottom of the page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1069840229/pic/list > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54233	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls.

Hi Mark, I'm not an expert on DCC, but be careful on using it with the old Flyer motors. They're "universal" style motors, and will operate on AC or DC (with or without the reverse unit). But they're power hungry motors and draw much more power than modern can motors. I don't believe that DCC decoders can handle their requirements. Any help out there guys? Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > Any recomendations of a system that performs well and is user friendly. > I think I can have my Locos converted with a decoder but not sound. > Are early AF DC motors? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54234	From: G C	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider

Stumpy, when you say you run it on DC, do you mean you added a diode rectifier or changed out the motor for a can? Also, I have a very old model railroader magazine somewhere that has a great drawing of the piping on the original B&O engines. I have always thought it would be cool to add some to the shell. Like you said: $100.00 is a bargain these days. gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54235	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Simmons car

I believe that Simmons was a mattress manufacture, a train set came with the purchase of a mattress. Jerry HR 77-11644 10a. Simmons Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Date: Mon May 4, 2009 9:11 pm ((PDT)) Does anyone know the background of the store that the Simmons set was made for? Where they were they located? Type of store? Are they still in business? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYedhNU9lWZmojAnw2yRWuRELnBgP1UO8BS0QOwKrpDXZd0uT88/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54236	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider

Ditto for my UP Docksider.  If the choo-choo is there, it's pretty muffled.  Mine does a decent job of smoking, but it will never fill the room.  The other "downer" for my engine was how stiff the coupler-centering spring was.  It was so stiff, the second car would be derailed on every curve.  Replaced it with an older AF diesel spring.  The "upside" is that the little engine is a good puller for it's size and weight.  I also think the docksider was a nice "fit" for the Christmas set. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 5:26:56 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Docksider My Docksider smoked, but not nearly as much as I felt it should. The choo-choo is only audible if you put your ear to it as it goes by. I'm told the smoke/choo-choo is similar to the old Gilbert HO unit. Use Lionel smoke fluid or Suethe fluid for best results. Eventually I took out all the electronics and ran mine straight DC. Runs better, smokes better(but still not great), still no better choo-choo sound, and I lost the blue headlights. These are disappointingly cheezy engines, but that's what $100+ buys these days, I guess. These would make a good chassis to scratchbuild some kind of new body on, which I'll probably do eventually. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54237	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress company?  Why would a mattress company have reefers?  And "carload bargains sale"?  I don't know. Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons Beautyrest and love it!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54238	From: ai2q	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

My Simmons boxcar set, pulled by an Atlantic, was bought in the late 1950s by my dad. It was sold to him at Korvette's Department Store in Hempstead, New York, and there was no need to purchase anything else. I don't think Korvette's sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. I still enjoy running this set on my layout. Alex in Maine --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress company?  Why would a mattress company have reefers?  And "carload bargains sale"?  I don't know. > > Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons Beautyrest and love it! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54239	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer

I would like to get one also.   b u t   Is this the American Flyer boys Rail Road Club? --- On Mon, 5/4/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12 Hour video of American Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:40 AM Put me on the list, too! Or, as my son used to say over and over and over again: "Me too, me too, me too, . . . " --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "The Reardon's" <preardon@.. .> wrote: > > Well Yaaaa!!!!! > > Pat, In Maine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rfalzini > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:46 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of American Flyer > > > > > > Hello, > I have a 12 hour video of American Flyer. > > It show cases probably every steam and diesel engine, passenger and freight car and accessory. > > It also show cases many proto types, such as a > > 340 0 - 8 - 0 switcher with bell in tender > > 6 different colored circus coaches > > 343 circus engine with hand rails > > a yellow 343 circus engine > > 5 different track gang sets > > and much more!!! > > As I stated, this is about 12 hours long on 2 videos and I hope some time this summer to put it on two DVD'S. > > If this is of interest to any one let me know! > > Thanks! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54240	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls (amperages)

I'm not expert on DCC either. People who use them around here (Pa), steered me to the North Coast Engineering (NCE) system. Like anything else, people all have their favorite DCC systems. Most people replace the old AC motor with a modern can motor. My favorite is the SnS 1/2 speed can motor. This 1/2 speed motor makes the old Flyer steamers run about the same speed as an S-Helper diesel, and almost as smoothly. The decoder manufacturers do make available HUGE, expensive decoders for use with the original current- hungry AC motors that may suck up 2 or 3 amps. But that's not recommended. ~~~~~~ The AutoControls video I just posted ( http://vimeo.com/4476398 ), at about 8-1/2 minutes into the video, shows 3 American Flyer steam engines operating on DCC, using an NCE command station. The 302 Atlantic has an old Soundtraxx decoder, and you can hear that it's louder than the other two steamers, which us the original AF "chuff". This 302 installation was done in the late 1990's before the SnS motors were available (done by Chick's Hobby Shop in NJ). The 283 Pacific and the 312 K-4 have recently had the SnS 1/2 speed can motors installed. (I don't do any of these conversions myself, but I'm lucky to have fellow club members who will do it for me for a reasonable charge.) (The 283 has a Digitrax decoder, and the K-4 has an NCE decoder.) Since DCC is a universal standard, I can use the same NCE system to operate my HO or N gauge trains with any brand decoder; and even swap decoders from between different engines and different gauges, as long as they fit. If I ever get decoders installed in my LargeScale engines, it will run those also. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ABOUT AMPERAGE REQUIREMENTS: I emailed STEVE BLACKBURN of SnS trains, about the AMPERAGES. Steve says their can motors have a stall current (worst case) of 0.6 amps. The instructions for the NCE D13SRJ HO decoder we put in the K-4 say, "Motor rating 1.3 Amp continuous, 2 Amp peak (stall). * So with the motor drawing 0.6 amps if worst case stalled and the decoder rated for 1.3 amps continuous, there should be no problem. For reference, copied immediately below my comments, is Steve's response to the email I wrote him. Hope this helps. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- P.S.: One factor -- that may not be of interest to anyone else except people like me who like to do automatic train control -- is that it APPEARS that the NCE decoders do not retain their momentum characteristics when operated on DC current; whereas the Digitrax decoders appear to retain their startup momentum characteristics when operated on DC current. Said another way, if the engine is stopped and a relay closes that suddenly sends full track voltage to the engine, an engine with a NCE decoder jerks forward, but an engine with a Digitrax decoder starts up nice and smoothly. - Ingram ============================= > > At 3:12 AM -0400 6/18/08, Steve Blackburn of SnS wrote: > We use the 1.5 amp Digitrax DH163D decoders in our DCC trains with > SnS motors. . They are more than enough. The stall is about .6 > amps. The running current is about .2 amps > > PS, I have been to Williamsport. Umpired LL baseball there in 1984. ============================= > > On May 5, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Jerry Poniatowski wrote: > >> > > > Hi Mark, > > I'm not an expert on DCC, but be careful on using it with the old > Flyer > motors. They're "universal" style motors, and will operate on AC or DC > (with or without the reverse unit). But they're power hungry motors > and > draw much more power than modern can motors. I don't believe that DCC > decoders can handle their requirements. > > Any help out there guys? > > Jerry > > ============================= > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> > wrote: > > > > Any recomendations of a system that performs well and is user > friendly. > > I think I can have my Locos converted with a decoder but not sound. > > Are early AF DC motors? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > : ==========end of email ======== >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54241	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls.

Mark,   I own a Digitrax DCC system and when they first came out, they were the best around for the money but in the past few years, Digitrax has forgotten that the small owner is who got them to their successful position in the DCC world. Their customer service has dropped considerably and they cater more to the "BIG" customers and retailers now. They have even stopped helping the small hobby shops by cutting back and delaying deliveries.   Lenz, on the other hand, provides fantastic customer support. They have a great customer service rep and their policies on decoder and equipment replacement is second to none. Debbie Ames is a great person and very accessible in case you have a problem. If I wouldn't have so much tied up in Digitrax, I would drop them like a disease and go with Lenz.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54242	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls.

Jerry,   ===== I'm not an expert on DCC, but be careful on using it with the old Flyer motors.  They're "universal" style motors, and will operate on AC or DC (with or without the reverse unit).  But they're power hungry motors and draw much more power than modern can motors.  I don't believe that DCC decoders can handle their requirements. Any help out there guys? Jerry ===== You are correct in the fact the larger scale motors draw a lot of power but, all DCC manufacturers have decoders that will accomodate those motors. You must simply make sure that you have a decoder that meets the stall current of the motor.   Stall current is the current draw of a motor when the power is on full and the drivers cannot spin. Do NOT do this for a long time as this test will heat up the motor windings. The test should not last longer than a second or two. Simply put a DC Amp meter in series with one of the DC power leads to the track, turn on the throttle to full power and stall the loco while watching the meter. The highest reading is the stall current. That is how you choose your decoder. If there are any more questions, please feel free to ask.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54243	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Just to chime in on the Simmons car, that was the anomaly. I remember reading about it a long time ago. The fact that a mattress factory would be represented by a Reefer. But, it says it right on the reefer. "A carload of bargains sale". What reefer would say that? The decision to use a reefer instead of a box car was obviously Gilbert using shells that they had an over abundance of, which they did quite often, especially in situations like special sets. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Simmons car I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress company? Why would a mattress company have reefers? And "carload bargains sale"? I don't know. Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons Beautyrest and love it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54244	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.

Thanks Clayton Stumpy and Jerry. That means a lot coming from you! A couple of years ago I was wishing for one Hudson... now I have three and have to pick which ones to put on the track. The double track main is long but still only accomodates four trains. The K5's and other Pacifics need some track time too. Sorry I missed the Spree. Sounds like it was a good one! I really would have liked showing Stumpy my 356 turned Pennsy torpedo. It has more bondo in it than my first car did! But I was out in the opposite direction of the country doing the last of many college visits with the last son. Time well-spent even if not as much fun as the Spree or York. Maybe next year I'll get to the Spree and find that super deal on a GG1. Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54245	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.

Thanks Clayton Stumpy and Jerry. That means a lot coming from you! A couple of years ago I was wishing for one Hudson... now I have three and have to pick which ones to put on the track. The double track main is long but still only accomodates four trains. The K5's and other Pacifics need some track time too. Sorry I missed the Spree. Sounds like it was a good one! I really would have liked showing Stumpy my 356 turned Pennsy torpedo. It has more bondo in it than my first car did! But I was out in the opposite direction of the country doing the last of many college visits with the last son. Time well-spent even if not as much fun as the Spree or York. Maybe next year I'll get to the Spree and find that super deal on a GG1. Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54246	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

The Korvettes store we had at the King of Prussia Plaza (now King of Prussia Mall) outside of Philadelphia back in the 60's was the precursor to K-Mart and Target back in the day. It had a little of everything. It wasn't just a discount appliance store. I bought costume jewelry there for my girl friend at the time and I bought my first Beatles record there in '63. Korvettes had all the same departments as K-Mart and Target stores have today, so it's not inconceivable that they had a bedding section that sold mattresses. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: ai2q To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car My Simmons boxcar set, pulled by an Atlantic, was bought in the late 1950s by my dad. It was sold to him at Korvette's Department Store in Hempstead, New York, and there was no need to purchase anything else. I don't think Korvette's sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. I still enjoy running this set on my layout. Alex in Maine --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress company? Why would a mattress company have reefers? And "carload bargains sale"? I don't know. > > Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons Beautyrest and love it! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54247	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls (amperages-more comments)

While we're on the subject of motor currents, here's some interesting comments from our local DCC guru, Fred Cupp. (Note he's NOT on this list, as he's an HO guy.) - Jim Ingram ======= > At 9:56 AM -0400 8/26/08, FRED CUPP wrote: > <SNIP> On the matter of the current for the SNS motors. I > have not actually worked with such a motor, unless it was in one of > yours. I can easily believe the relatively low current drain of the > more modern motors, based on extrapolating the results of modern HO > locomotives. I am used to seeing running with normal loads of 250 > to 400 ma max. The slipping (but not actually stalled) of 500 to > 600 ma. seem quite normal. > > You may wonder why. Simply this: Older motors were not pemanent > magnet type and required a field winding. They were usually open > frame, with poor magnetic design, thus wasting a lot of power. The > idea back then was, "Like who cares, transformers are cheap, they > can supply lots of amps, so why bother". > > By contrast, the modern motors have a magnetic design which > completely surrounds the rotor, thus maximising the magnetic flux > around the armature. Add to this the development of ceramic "super- > permanent magnets" which raise the flux levels in the field WITHOUT > CONSUMING ANY ENERGY. A result of this allows the use of higher # > gauge wire, (smaller diameter), in the armature. This raises the > total resistance of the armature, (which is offset by the stronger > permag field), so you have a much higher efficiency in the motor. > > Put these factors all together and you have motor which > will stall fully at lower current, (due to the higher resistance > armature), but will still deliver about the same torque, due to the > better field design. (Combination of wrap-around magnetic path and > higher power magnets which CONSUME NO POWER.) > The defense rests.! Any further questions.? Fred > B. Cupp > { The above statements are the opinion of this writer, based > on observation and personal technical experience, but have not been > verified by any published material , either pro or con. } > : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54248	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Dear Alex, I think they did sell mattresses, I think they sold just about anything and was a very early discount department store. It was similar to Wal-Mart, except no food. Don On May 5, 2009, at 11:26 AM, ai2q wrote: > I don't think Korvette's > sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. > > I still enjoy running this set on my layout. > > Alex in Maine > > t photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 27 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54249	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

In a message dated 5/5/2009 2:26:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, don@... writes: It was similar to Wal-Mart, except no food. **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54250	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: DCC Controls (amperages)

James,   If you like automatic controls and use DCC, I have a program called PanelPro that is FREE and open source. It is part of the JMRI (Java Model Railroad Interface) program and there are 4500 group members on the group that help new users get started. jmriusers@yahoogroups.com   The program works with any DCC system and another part of the software suite is called DecoderPro. That program will make programming any decoder very easy with the decoder definitions included in the program.   All you need is a connection from your computer to the interface in the NCE command station. We have several scripts in the library for auto train control plus if you want to add signaling, PanelPro will help you with that part.   Google my Cornwall Railroad to find a clinic on using PanelPro. It is on the JMRI website as well as in the group's files section.   Regards, Nick Kulp   ======= "Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups" shoot-all-spammers4@...   I'm not expert on DCC either.  People who use them around here (Pa),  steered me to the North Coast Engineering (NCE) system.  Like  anything else, people all have their favorite DCC systems. Most people replace the old AC motor with a modern can motor.  My  favorite is the SnS 1/2 speed can motor.  This 1/2 speed motor makes  the old Flyer steamers run about the same speed as an S-Helper  diesel, and almost as smoothly.  The decoder manufacturers do make  available HUGE, expensive decoders for use with the original current- hungry AC motors that may suck up 2 or 3 amps.  But that's not  recommended. ~~~~~~ The AutoControls video I just posted ( http://vimeo.com/4476398 ), at  about 8-1/2 minutes into the video, shows 3 American Flyer steam  engines operating on DCC, using an NCE command station.  The 302  Atlantic has an old Soundtraxx decoder, and you can hear that it's  louder than the other two steamers, which us the original AF  "chuff".  This 302 installation was done in the late 1990's before  the SnS motors were available (done by Chick's Hobby Shop in NJ). The 283 Pacific  and the 312 K-4 have recently had the SnS 1/2 speed  can motors installed.  (I don't do any of these conversions myself,  but I'm lucky to have fellow club members who will do it for me for a  reasonable charge.)  (The 283 has a Digitrax decoder, and the K-4 has  an NCE decoder.) Since DCC is a universal standard, I can use the same NCE system to  operate my HO or N gauge trains with any brand decoder; and even swap  decoders from between different engines and different gauges, as long  as they fit.  If I ever get decoders installed in my LargeScale  engines, it will run those also. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54251	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider

Are you advising that we not use Mike's Anormal1 fluid (the Gilbert formula)?  Maybe that's why mine doesn't smoke. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Docksider To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 4:26 PM My Docksider smoked, but not nearly as much as I felt it should. The choo-choo is only audible if you put your ear to it as it goes by. I'm told the smoke/choo-choo is similar to the old Gilbert HO unit. Use Lionel smoke fluid or Suethe fluid for best results. Eventually I took out all the electronics and ran mine straight DC. Runs better, smokes better(but still not great), still no better choo-choo sound, and I lost the blue headlights. These are disappointingly cheezy engines, but that's what $100+ buys these days, I guess. These would make a good chassis to scratchbuild some kind of new body on, which I'll probably do eventually. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54252	From: momhondo	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Plasticville Coaling tower

There was an article about adapting the coaling tower to S gauge. Can anyone tell me the magazine and the issue. Thanks in advance. Dick Purnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54253	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Thanks for all the answers, as I do know of the Simmons Mattress company, but I thought this might be a local department store or something like that. So, it seems as you all agree it was the Mattress company, so then it must be. LOL What through me off, is the carload of bargains, meaning the boxcar is full of assorted things for its stores. Well, for now, Simmons is on my baseball field wall. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54254	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Dear Bruce, I disagree, the lettering on many billboard reefers had little if anything to do with the product inside. I have pictures for reefers hawking "Old Dutch Cleanser", Pluto Water, mustard, ketchup, gum, canned dog food, canned milk, kidney beans, cocoa, whiskey, gin, Crisco, salt, Carnation's flaked wheat", White Rock Water, tomato juice and Hercules explosives. Although most billboard reefers were lettered for perishable items that either needed refrigeration or to moderate temperatures (beer and potatoes), there are lots of prototype examples of lettering which had nothing to do with what was carried. Don On May 5, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. wrote: > > > > "A carload of bargains sale". What reefer would say that? The > decision to use a reefer instead of a box car was obviously Gilbert > using shells that they had an over abundance of, which they did > quite often, especially in situations like special sets. > > Bruce > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 27 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54255	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Tom Doherty

Anyone have a current email address for Tom doherty of PA Heritage Models? TIA, Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54256	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Before and after shots, Spree, etc.

Hey Tim, Family comes first, and I hope you had a good visit with your son. My three sons (there's a TV series in there somewhere) are all gainfully employed (Yaaaay!) and one of them (recently married) asked for his old Flyer trains to put around their tree at Christmas. Your Torpedo sounds cool. Have you posted photos of it? Next year's Spree will be in Dearborn (8 miles from my house) and I'll have my GG1 pulling a LONG string of passenger cars. Ron Bashista will be there along with a number of dealers with GG1's for sale. Check AM's website: they have AC units without sound for $280 ($250 for DC). Mine is almost 14 years old, and besides lubricating the axles and gears from time to time, nothing else has been done in the way of maintenance. I even have an extra set of scale wheels for it so as to allow it to run on scale layouts. I modified the electronics to permit running on AC or DC. A simple DPDT switch bypasses the reverse unit and a simple SPST one disconnects the large capacitor. If you check out the photos in the album, mine is the green one. Tom Hess, a fellow member of my club, has the Tuscan one. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Sorry I missed the Spree. Sounds like it was a good one! I really would have liked showing Stumpy my 356 turned Pennsy torpedo. It has more bondo in it than my first car did! But I was out in the opposite direction of the country doing the last of many college visits with the last son. Time well-spent even if not as much fun as the Spree or York. > > Maybe next year I'll get to the Spree and find that super deal on a GG1. > > Tim >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54257	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Thanks Jim, as I had a feeling that is what it was. But where were the stores? Timeline of business? I am not sure if you know, but if you do, let me know. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car In a message dated 5/5/2009 2:26:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, don@... writes: It was similar to Wal-Mart, except no food. **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54258	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider

Geez...I guess I'll have to buy a new Docksider to try my fluid in...Mike PS: Lucky I can get one now for about $80 In a message dated 5/5/2009 1:37:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: Are you advising that we not use Mike's Anormal1 fluid (the Gilbert formula)? Maybe that's why mine doesn't smoke. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Stumpy Stone <_mrstumpy@..._ (mailto:mrstumpy@...) > wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <_mrstumpy@..._ (mailto:mrstumpy@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Docksider To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 4:26 PM My Docksider smoked, but not nearly as much as I felt it should. The choo-choo is only audible if you put your ear to it as it goes by. I'm told the smoke/choo-choo is similar to the old Gilbert HO unit. Use Lionel smoke fluid or Suethe fluid for best results. Eventually I took out all the electronics and ran mine straight DC. Runs better, smokes better(but still not great), still no better choo-choo sound, and I lost the blue headlights. These are disappointingly cheezy engines, but that's what $100+ buys these days, I guess. These would make a good chassis to scratchbuild some kind of new body on, which I'll probably do eventually. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54259	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider

Have you thought about converting the Docksider loco to a Thomas the Train loco? Of course it would violate trademarks to make one and sell it. But there is nothing wrong with making one for yourself and the kids of all ages that view your operating layout at shows. I do not know if the docksider resembles a Thomas loco enough to do it right or not but I think it might be worth consideration. - Earl Henry, Nashville, a couple hundred miles south of Ahia. ================================================ In a message dated 5/5/2009 3:37:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: My Docksider smoked, but not nearly as much as I felt it should. The choo-choo is only audible if you put your ear to it as it goes by. I'm told the smoke/choo-choo is similar to the old Gilbert HO unit. Use Lionel smoke fluid or Suethe fluid for best results. Eventually I took out all the electronics and ran mine straight DC. Runs better, smokes better(but still not great), still no better choo-choo sound, and I lost the blue headlights. These are disappointingly cheezy engines, but that's what $100+ buys these days, I guess. These would make a good chassis to scratchbuild some kind of new body on, which I'll probably do eventually. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54260	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider

No the saddle tank Docksider does not resemble Thomas the tank, which is a side tank loco. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tennsgauge@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Docksider Have you thought about converting the Docksider loco to a Thomas the Train loco? Of course it would violate trademarks to make one and sell it. But there is nothing wrong with making one for yourself and the kids of all ages that view your operating layout at shows. I do not know if the docksider resembles a Thomas loco enough to do it right or not but I think it might be worth consideration. - Earl Henry, Nashville, a couple hundred miles south of Ahia. ================================================ In a message dated 5/5/2009 3:37:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@ <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com writes: My Docksider smoked, but not nearly as much as I felt it should. The choo-choo is only audible if you put your ear to it as it goes by. I'm told the smoke/choo-choo is similar to the old Gilbert HO unit. Use Lionel smoke fluid or Suethe fluid for best results. Eventually I took out all the electronics and ran mine straight DC. Runs better, smokes better(but still not great), still no better choo-choo sound, and I lost the blue headlights. These are disappointingly cheezy engines, but that's what $100+ buys these days, I guess. These would make a good chassis to scratchbuild some kind of new body on, which I'll probably do eventually. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd> com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecredit report.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54261	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Coaling tower

Dear Dick, CTT, not sure of the issue but the author, Vic Roseman told me it was March, 2004 page 50. Don't forget that Micro Mark now sells a laser kit that will change the roof and really make it look different. They have it on sale and you can see it at: http://www.micromark.com/O-SCALE-COALING-TOWER-TOPPER-KIT,9128.html Best, Don On May 5, 2009, at 3:42 PM, momhondo wrote: > > > There was an article about adapting the coaling tower to S gauge. > Can anyone tell me the magazine and the issue. Thanks in advance. > > Dick Purnell > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54262	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Coaling tower

March 2004 Classic Toy Trains. Also, Micro Mark tools sells a tower upgrade for the Plasticville coaling tower. Roy Inman on 5/5/09 2:42 PM, momhondo at Dmjp@... wrote: > > > > > > There was an article about adapting the coaling tower to S gauge. Can anyone > tell me the magazine and the issue. Thanks in advance. > > Dick Purnell > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54263	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider

No matter what smoke fluid I tried, it doesn't smoke very well. However, no one I've talked to has one that smokes as expected. Are we spoiled by the Gilbert smoke/choo-choo system, or MTH blower type smoke units? The Lionel recommends "only" their fluid, but I got best smoke out of it or Seuthe. Anormal worked okay too, SuperSmoke wasn't too good, MTH ProtoSmoke didn't work at all. The standard motor in the Flyonel Docksider IS a DC can motor. In fact, all modern trains use a DC can motor and are changed to AC by circuit boards. Without the board, this became a straight DC engine and smoked a little better. (I run DC from an MRC 6200 power pack, no AC at all anymore.) The Docksider is an ugly spud, and grossly out of scale, more O scale than S. Also the original B & O "Dockside" locomotive was an 0-4-0, while the DocksidER is an 0-6-0. On the up side, it's a good running loco, inexpensive, and makes a good chassis for customizing. The little roller pick ups are a good improvement over the old sliding contacts, so far I've had no problems tearing them off on switches, a problem with the old sliders sometimes. I've redone mine as an O scale, narrow gauge loco to run with my custom Franklins and Casey Jones and their cars. This works out to On42 (O scale, narrow gauge, 42" gauge.) Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54264	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Bruce et al, I worked for a summer when I was in College setting up a new Korvettes in Springfield, Pa. which was right on the Philadelphia city line. Korvettes went bankrupt, I believe in the early 70's. Job was primarily stocking shelves and setting and filling up the stock bins in the store. Remember that the stock manager had a thing for Playmates and a couple of the bins were covered with them tastefully protected by plastic wrap. I often wondered what happened to them when the store opened and female clerks entered the areas. I also wish to confirm that the chain stores were primarily a general merchandize store and they did have a large Christmas Toy & train selection of HO but in 1963 there wasn't any Flyer. However, I do believe that I remember them having AF when I was in high school at the Korvettes's Roosevelt Blvd store in Philadelphia. Joe in Boston _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car The Korvettes store we had at the King of Prussia Plaza (now King of Prussia Mall) outside of Philadelphia back in the 60's was the precursor to K-Mart and Target back in the day. It had a little of everything. It wasn't just a discount appliance store. I bought costume jewelry there for my girl friend at the time and I bought my first Beatles record there in '63. Korvettes had all the same departments as K-Mart and Target stores have today, so it's not inconceivable that they had a bedding section that sold mattresses. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: ai2q To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car My Simmons boxcar set, pulled by an Atlantic, was bought in the late 1950s by my dad. It was sold to him at Korvette's Department Store in Hempstead, New York, and there was no need to purchase anything else. I don't think Korvette's sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. I still enjoy running this set on my layout. Alex in Maine --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress company? Why would a mattress company have reefers? And "carload bargains sale"? I don't know. > > Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons Beautyrest and love it! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54265	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Stan's Tanks

Scenic Express gave me the phone number to reach Stan, but by then, I already ordered the tanks they have for sale by him, as they shipped them then they told me how to reach him. I think they will be fine, as they are 4.5 inches round and 7 inches high. I do not think there is a specific height for these things. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54266	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

I do remember AF (and probably Lionel too, although I really paid no attention to it) at the Korvettes store in Hartford when I was in HS....pre-1963. I also remember it across the street at G Fox & Co, and next door at Brown Thompson's Dept. Store. Doug Peck Port Lines. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: > they did have a large Christmas > Toy & train selection of HO but in 1963 there wasn't any Flyer. However, I > do believe that I remember them having AF when I was in high school at the > Korvettes's Roosevelt Blvd store in Philadelphia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54267	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/5/2009
Subject: 710 whistle controller rebuilt

The junkbox 710 whistle controller is complete. The return spring can be made from a RC car coil spring... not too hard to move the control and it returns with authority. The slide switch contacts can also be reconditioned... after disassembling the switch very carefully. I rewired a metal tube per the Barker book and it works, but also acts as an acceleration switch. When you blow the whistle the turbocharger kicks in. So I really need to find an original Black Steam whistle tube as I would really like to hear what this control was supposed to sound like. In the meantime, the contacts in the metal tube could probably be spread further apart so there is less of the full 15/18V mixed into the track power right? So while thinking this through I am wondering... in the airchime tube there is a coil that vibrates a reed (spring) via a coil activated by 60 cycle AC. It is going to vibrate at 60 cycles. You may get some overtones but how would that ever output a 600 cycle signal? If it can be done with a 60 cycle coil I would really like to understand the concept. That seems to be the goal from all I have read. But to me the output sounds like a buzzer because it IS a buzzer. I am not criticizing AC Gilbert in any way. These were/are toys and this was pretty high tech stuff for the times. And I now have airchime on both main lines. Per the Barker book, I will continue using 25 mfd caps in diesels as the 60 cycle pich is an acceptable airhorn sound, but for steamers the OEM 5mfd (or available 4.7 mfd) would probably be a better choice. It will soften the sound but allow less of the 60 cycle pitch to come through. The original 'cat can' speakers also seem to emit more overtones than replacement speakers. Just an observation. So on to the Electronic Steam Whistle control. Maybe it will output a higher pitch. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54268	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: 710 whistle controller rebuilt

Actually it was pretty low tech stuff for the times! They could have used a vacuum tube oscillator circuit and scientists had even succeeded in getting solid state diodes to oscillate just prior to the invention (or re-invention) of the transistor in the late 40's. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Benner Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 710 whistle controller rebuilt The junkbox 710 whistle controller is complete. The return spring can be made from a RC car coil spring... not too hard to move the control and it returns with authority. The slide switch contacts can also be reconditioned... after disassembling the switch very carefully. I rewired a metal tube per the Barker book and it works, but also acts as an acceleration switch. When you blow the whistle the turbocharger kicks in. So I really need to find an original Black Steam whistle tube as I would really like to hear what this control was supposed to sound like. In the meantime, the contacts in the metal tube could probably be spread further apart so there is less of the full 15/18V mixed into the track power right? So while thinking this through I am wondering... in the airchime tube there is a coil that vibrates a reed (spring) via a coil activated by 60 cycle AC. It is going to vibrate at 60 cycles. You may get some overtones but how would that ever output a 600 cycle signal? If it can be done with a 60 cycle coil I would really like to understand the concept. That seems to be the goal from all I have read. But to me the output sounds like a buzzer because it IS a buzzer. I am not criticizing AC Gilbert in any way. These were/are toys and this was pretty high tech stuff for the times. And I now have airchime on both main lines. Per the Barker book, I will continue using 25 mfd caps in diesels as the 60 cycle pich is an acceptable airhorn sound, but for steamers the OEM 5mfd (or available 4.7 mfd) would probably be a better choice. It will soften the sound but allow less of the 60 cycle pitch to come through. The original 'cat can' speakers also seem to emit more overtones than replacement speakers. Just an observation. So on to the Electronic Steam Whistle control. Maybe it will output a higher pitch. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54269	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Thanks, Joe. That brought back memories. I don't remember them having any Gilbert or Lionel in '63 either. I do remember that they were the ground breakers when it came to discount chain stores and the precursors to K-Mart and Target stores of today. You name it, they had it in one form or another. I think the Simmons set is a possibility for Korvettes, since they probably sold AF back in the late 50's. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haughney To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car Bruce et al, I worked for a summer when I was in College setting up a new Korvettes in Springfield, Pa. which was right on the Philadelphia city line. Korvettes went bankrupt, I believe in the early 70's. Job was primarily stocking shelves and setting and filling up the stock bins in the store. Remember that the stock manager had a thing for Playmates and a couple of the bins were covered with them tastefully protected by plastic wrap. I often wondered what happened to them when the store opened and female clerks entered the areas. I also wish to confirm that the chain stores were primarily a general merchandize store and they did have a large Christmas Toy & train selection of HO but in 1963 there wasn't any Flyer. However, I do believe that I remember them having AF when I was in high school at the Korvettes's Roosevelt Blvd store in Philadelphia. Joe in Boston _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car The Korvettes store we had at the King of Prussia Plaza (now King of Prussia Mall) outside of Philadelphia back in the 60's was the precursor to K-Mart and Target back in the day. It had a little of everything. It wasn't just a discount appliance store. I bought costume jewelry there for my girl friend at the time and I bought my first Beatles record there in '63. Korvettes had all the same departments as K-Mart and Target stores have today, so it's not inconceivable that they had a bedding section that sold mattresses. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: ai2q To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car My Simmons boxcar set, pulled by an Atlantic, was bought in the late 1950s by my dad. It was sold to him at Korvette's Department Store in Hempstead, New York, and there was no need to purchase anything else. I don't think Korvette's sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. I still enjoy running this set on my layout. Alex in Maine --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress company? Why would a mattress company have reefers? And "carload bargains sale"? I don't know. > > Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons Beautyrest and love it! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54270	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Micro-switch for AF Turnouts

I remember seeing photos of how someone added micro-switches to AF switches (Turnouts). They were used to get 'position' feed back. Anybody got a link? -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54271	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Don, Thank you for that information. I stand corrected. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car Dear Bruce, I disagree, the lettering on many billboard reefers had little if anything to do with the product inside. I have pictures for reefers hawking "Old Dutch Cleanser", Pluto Water, mustard, ketchup, gum, canned dog food, canned milk, kidney beans, cocoa, whiskey, gin, Crisco, salt, Carnation's flaked wheat", White Rock Water, tomato juice and Hercules explosives. Although most billboard reefers were lettered for perishable items that either needed refrigeration or to moderate temperatures (beer and potatoes), there are lots of prototype examples of lettering which had nothing to do with what was carried. Don On May 5, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. wrote: > > > > "A carload of bargains sale". What reefer would say that? The > decision to use a reefer instead of a box car was obviously Gilbert > using shells that they had an over abundance of, which they did > quite often, especially in situations like special sets. > > Bruce > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 27 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54272	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Scences for a train layout, I think.

http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Noch.html While searching google for model apple trees, as Scenic Express has them, I came across this website. As you scroll down, past the train sets in briefcase, we come to some things that might be of use on a train layout. LOL Hmm, maybe not. Hey, but they sell trees! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54273	From: workinalure	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

I too, remember the store on Roosevelt Blvd in Philadelphia. Do you remember the real name? E.J. Korvettes. Stood for Eight Jewish Korean War Vets. Just another tidbit....... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: > > Bruce et al, > > I worked for a summer when I was in College setting up a new Korvettes in > Springfield, Pa. which was right on the Philadelphia city line. Korvettes > went bankrupt, I believe in the early 70's. Job was primarily stocking > shelves and setting and filling up the stock bins in the store. Remember > that the stock manager had a thing for Playmates and a couple of the bins > were covered with them tastefully protected by plastic wrap. I often > wondered what happened to them when the store opened and female clerks > entered the areas. I also wish to confirm that the chain stores were > primarily a general merchandize store and they did have a large Christmas > Toy & train selection of HO but in 1963 there wasn't any Flyer. However, I > do believe that I remember them having AF when I was in high school at the > Korvettes's Roosevelt Blvd store in Philadelphia. > > > > Joe in Boston > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:53 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car > > > > > > > > > > The Korvettes store we had at the King of Prussia Plaza (now King of Prussia > Mall) outside of Philadelphia back in the 60's was the precursor to K-Mart > and Target back in the day. It had a little of everything. It wasn't just a > discount appliance store. I bought costume jewelry there for my girl friend > at the time and I bought my first Beatles record there in '63. Korvettes had > all the same departments as K-Mart and Target stores have today, so it's not > inconceivable that they had a bedding section that sold mattresses. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ai2q > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:26 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car > > My Simmons boxcar set, pulled by an Atlantic, > was bought in the late 1950s by my dad. > It was sold to him at Korvette's Department Store > in Hempstead, New York, and there was no need > to purchase anything else. I don't think Korvette's > sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. > > I still enjoy running this set on my layout. > > Alex in Maine > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Robert > Graves <theupstairstrain@> wrote: > > > > I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress > company? Why would a mattress company have reefers? And "carload bargains > sale"? I don't know. > > > > Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons > Beautyrest and love it! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54274	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Trees

On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. What size should I go with? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54275	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

and he notes - It is improbable that Korvette Stores sold AF in the 50s as Gilbert had franchised dealers such as W. T. Grant, Montgomery Ward, a New England chain called Aubuchon and several department stores throughout the country and of course several well established hobby shops such as Eric Fuchs in Boston. Retail prices were fixed by Gilbert as well as hundreds of other products such as cosmetics, clothing etc. This all changed when Lechmere Stores opened in the 60s and took Mennen Products to court over their policy to not supply discount stores. They won and were able to offer that and a raft of other products including toys. It wasn't long after that AF all but disappeared in the usual places and not too many years later the company was sold. I recall a discussion back in the 70s that the discount stores may have contributed to AF's demise. Without the local retailer the line disappeared from the public's eye and personalized service with it. Raleigh in rainy Maine At 02:30 AM 5/6/2009, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. wrote: >Thanks, Joe. That brought back memories. I don't remember them >having any Gilbert or Lionel in '63 either. I do remember that they >were the ground breakers when it came to discount chain stores and >the precursors to K-Mart and Target stores of today. You name it, >they had it in one form or another. I think the Simmons set is a >possibility for Korvettes, since they probably sold AF back in the late 50's. > >Bruce > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Joseph Haughney >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:07 PM >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car > >Bruce et al, > >I worked for a summer when I was in College setting up a new Korvettes in >Springfield, Pa. which was right on the Philadelphia city line. Korvettes >went bankrupt, I believe in the early 70's. Job was primarily stocking >shelves and setting and filling up the stock bins in the store. Remember >that the stock manager had a thing for Playmates and a couple of the bins >were covered with them tastefully protected by plastic wrap. I often >wondered what happened to them when the store opened and female clerks >entered the areas. I also wish to confirm that the chain stores were >primarily a general merchandize store and they did have a large Christmas >Toy & train selection of HO but in 1963 there wasn't any Flyer. However, I >do believe that I remember them having AF when I was in high school at the >Korvettes's Roosevelt Blvd store in Philadelphia. > >Joe in Boston > >_____ > >From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. >Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:53 PM >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car > >The Korvettes store we had at the King of Prussia Plaza (now King of Prussia >Mall) outside of Philadelphia back in the 60's was the precursor to K-Mart >and Target back in the day. It had a little of everything. It wasn't just a >discount appliance store. I bought costume jewelry there for my girl friend >at the time and I bought my first Beatles record there in '63. Korvettes had >all the same departments as K-Mart and Target stores have today, so it's not >inconceivable that they had a bedding section that sold mattresses. > >Bruce > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ai2q >To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com >Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:26 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car > >My Simmons boxcar set, pulled by an Atlantic, >was bought in the late 1950s by my dad. >It was sold to him at Korvette's Department Store >in Hempstead, New York, and there was no need >to purchase anything else. I don't think Korvette's >sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. > >I still enjoy running this set on my layout. > >Alex in Maine > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Robert >Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > > > I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress >company? Why would a mattress company have reefers? And "carload bargains >sale"? I don't know. > > > > Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons >Beautyrest and love it! > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54276	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Raleigh, Thanks for the insight with regards to E.J. Korvette's. However, the local hobby stores with a AF franchise that I went to when I was a kid were not high volume operations and I remember that my Father got some good deals for me at them. Fair trade must have been up for grabs at those stores. If I remember correctly one of the hobby stores whose name I forgot was located on Frankford St one block north from the Frankford & Orthodox Elevated station. (When I was five and six, I lived in a third floor walkup about a block down next to a Studebaker Dealership. The front window was next to the El and it took a while to get used to a train about fifteen feet from my window running every 10 minutes especially at night. I did get used to it just as we finally moved. The other store was on Rising Sun Ave about where the #26 trolley and eventually bus line intersected with I believe the # 55 bus line. (I seem to remember only the trolley and bus lines anymore since that was the way I got around in those days). Anyway enough of my reminiscents and thanks for the info. Regards, Joe from Boston where it is also raining but at least it isn't snowing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54277	From: G C	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Depending on the size of the orchard, you might want to have several groups of trees. Sometimes orchards will replace older trees so that you would see a group of younger trees as well as an older section. Anyway that is the way the orchards look here in Adams County PA. None of the trees are what you would call huge. gene cimino ________________________________ From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:44:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Trees On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. What size should I go with? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54278	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Micro-switch for AF Turnouts

Paul Yorke wrote: > > > > I remember seeing photos of how someone added micro-switches to AF switches > (Turnouts). > They were used to get 'position' feed back. > Anybody got a link? I believe that was from Bob Tufts AF Collector column in one of the issues of S-Gaugian. I don't recall the issue but I do remember seeing it. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54279	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Hi: I thought the name stood for what you thought - then I googled it and found out they started in 1948 and the first two initials stood for the person who started it (Eugene Ferkauf) and the Korvettes was another spelling of the Corvettes (fast naval ship). Actually, he was a veteran of WWII! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) workinalure wrote: > > > I too, remember the store on Roosevelt Blvd in Philadelphia. Do you > remember the real name? E.J. Korvettes. Stood for Eight Jewish Korean > War Vets. Just another tidbit....... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54280	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

I agree, It would be more understandable that: If there was a large department store named " Simmons " Similar " white's" & the "Fox Mart" store with it's "Fox Mart" AF billboard box car. Simmons mattress is the only company I can tie the car too, A promotion,. similar as the Keystone box car, buy a camera set up and get a train set. I welcome any and all comments Jerry HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoJYyKudcSZJcDZualuTMDtYyxekzvNV3EPP4iSLHCE05EdExLi/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54281	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

I remember the Roosevelt building store also. My Grandfather worked at the Budd plant. There was also a Kiddie City on Bustleton up near Feasterville However, E J Korvettes originated in NYC about 1948 prior to Korea. While it was started by a Vet, he was a WWII Vet. Eugene Ferkauf and his friend Joe Zwillenberg coined the name as a combination of the initials of its founders (Eugene and Joe) and a re-spelling of the naval term Corvette. A corvette from sailing days, is a small, lightly armed warship The WWII corvette appeared as a patrol and convoy escort vessel.   With Memorial Day approaching let's all remember to salute our Veterans!   -Clay Buckage   --- On Wed, 5/6/09, workinalure <workinalure@...> wrote: From: workinalure <workinalure@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:35 AM I too, remember the store on Roosevelt Blvd in Philadelphia. Do you remember the real name? E.J. Korvettes. Stood for Eight Jewish Korean War Vets. Just another tidbit...... . --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@ ...> wrote: > > Bruce et al, > > I worked for a summer when I was in College setting up a new Korvettes in > Springfield, Pa. which was right on the Philadelphia city line. Korvettes > went bankrupt, I believe in the early 70's. Job was primarily stocking > shelves and setting and filling up the stock bins in the store. Remember > that the stock manager had a thing for Playmates and a couple of the bins > were covered with them tastefully protected by plastic wrap. I often > wondered what happened to them when the store opened and female clerks > entered the areas. I also wish to confirm that the chain stores were > primarily a general merchandize store and they did have a large Christmas > Toy & train selection of HO but in 1963 there wasn't any Flyer. However, I > do believe that I remember them having AF when I was in high school at the > Korvettes's Roosevelt Blvd store in Philadelphia. > > > > Joe in Boston > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf > Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:53 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car > > > > > > > > > > The Korvettes store we had at the King of Prussia Plaza (now King of Prussia > Mall) outside of Philadelphia back in the 60's was the precursor to K-Mart > and Target back in the day. It had a little of everything. It wasn't just a > discount appliance store. I bought costume jewelry there for my girl friend > at the time and I bought my first Beatles record there in '63. Korvettes had > all the same departments as K-Mart and Target stores have today, so it's not > inconceivable that they had a bedding section that sold mattresses. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ai2q > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:26 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car > > My Simmons boxcar set, pulled by an Atlantic, > was bought in the late 1950s by my dad. > It was sold to him at Korvette's Department Store > in Hempstead, New York, and there was no need > to purchase anything else. I don't think Korvette's > sold mattresses! It was a discount appliance store. > > I still enjoy running this set on my layout. > > Alex in Maine > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com, Robert > Graves <theupstairstrain@ > wrote: > > > > I've always been curious about that; are you certain it was the mattress > company? Why would a mattress company have reefers? And "carload bargains > sale"? I don't know. > > > > Yes, they are still very much in business: we sleep on a Simmons > Beautyrest and love it! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54282	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: (no subject)

________________________________________________________________________ 6. Micro-switch for AF Turnouts Posted by: "Paul Yorke" s_trains@... s_trains Date: Wed May 6, 2009 3:30 am ((PDT)) I remember seeing photos of how someone added micro-switches to AF switches (Turnouts). They were used to get 'position' feed back. Anybody got a link? -- Paul Yorke Paul: The early #720 switches has a switch to control the power to the coils. micro-switches to AF switches (Turnouts). I have tried this:. the problem is with AF switches, they don't throw completely all the time, adding the switch really causes as much problem as they cure. The only real way to fix AF switches is to cut the switch controller box off of the switch, ( manual switches ) and replace it with a slow motion motor " Torquemaster" or equal very reliable and positive. Jerry HR77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97y1FTx5K7vYV6wuj89fLUW7TVz30Jdjde6zu1FBkspJddyHWGs/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54283	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

and he notes - The naming of the chain after Jewish Korean War Veterans is a legend. Korvette Stores opened in New York City in 1948 predating the Korean Conflict by three years. The corporate name was E. J. Korvette and was a combination of it's founders (two WWII Vets) , Eugene Ferkauf and Joe Zwillenberg initials (the 'E' and the 'J'). The name Korvette was a respelling of the British naval term for a 'Corvette'. Raleigh in Maine where the rain has stopped! At 08:35 AM 5/6/2009, workinalure wrote: >I too, remember the store on Roosevelt Blvd in Philadelphia. Do you >remember the real name? E.J. Korvettes. Stood for Eight Jewish >Korean War Vets. Just another tidbit.......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54284	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Mike a Combo of sizes is the way they really are planted.but they replace rows at a time. Mike In Pearsville In a message dated 5/6/2009 5:40:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. What size should I go with? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Big savings on Dell’s most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221827510x1201399090/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54285	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

I dunno...... what kind of apples? ;^) Rick. , MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. > I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. > What size should I go with? > Thanks. > Mike > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54286	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

A/F dealers As I remember it, the Wholesaler (whom my father sold for) attended Toy Fair and other shows to choose the items he/they thought would sell in their market. Several months later, manufacturers provided the wholesalers with "samples" for their Christmas sales shows for dealers/merchants. These shows were normally April, May or very early June. Called the "Toy Show" actually a dealer could buy anything that was being offered for the Christmas selling season, toys, small appliances, tools, guns, housewares, etc, usually with some kind of incentive to buy early. Once ordered, merchandise arrived as the manufacturer made it and shipped it to the wholesaler, the DEALER warehoused it. In most cases, the criteria for A/F "dealer" status revolved around the ability to pay. MANY small country stores had one or two sets on display, some track, maybe a couple of boxes of switches and some Plasticville, maybe on a small display. Some wholesalers did NOT backstock the entire line, so some areas that they dominated might not have the upper end of the catalog available later in the season. It was interesting to "tour" the "Toy Warehouse" a couple of days before Christmas, looking for "odds & ends". Jim "listening to the whistle on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54287	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Now that I recollect, I think I read that Simmons' sets were given away when you bought a mattress exclusively at Simmons' Mattress stores, so that would tend to leave out Korvettes. Also, Korvettes never sold second hand merchandise, so the gentleman that mentioned that his Dad bought a Simmons' Set at Korvettes may be mistaken. Keystone Camera sets apparently were offered as either a coupon item when you bought a Keystone Camera or outright at their stores. Not sure about the G. Fox set or White's. Time to break out the books, I guess. When I rely on my memory alone, that's when I get in trouble. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: gerald r dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car I agree, It would be more understandable that: If there was a large department store named " Simmons " Similar " white's" & the "Fox Mart" store with it's "Fox Mart" AF billboard box car. Simmons mattress is the only company I can tie the car too, A promotion,. similar as the Keystone box car, buy a camera set up and get a train set. I welcome any and all comments Jerry HR 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Get the best Criminal Lawyer. Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoJYyKudcSZJcDZualuTMDtYyxekzvNV3EPP4iSLHCE05EdExLi/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54288	From: workinalure	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

The hobby shop on Rising Sun Ave was Allied Hobbies and was still there the last time I was in Philly about 3 years ago. It's where I used to buy used AF for my Christmas layout. Dad got my Royal Blue set free from Pierce Phelps when he bought a new refigerator. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: > > Raleigh, > > Thanks for the insight with regards to E.J. Korvette's. However, the local > hobby stores with a AF franchise that I went to when I was a kid were not > high volume operations and I remember that my Father got some good deals for > me at them. Fair trade must have been up for grabs at those stores. If I > remember correctly one of the hobby stores whose name I forgot was located > on Frankford St one block north from the Frankford & Orthodox Elevated > station. (When I was five and six, I lived in a third floor walkup about a > block down next to a Studebaker Dealership. The front window was next to > the El and it took a while to get used to a train about fifteen feet from > my window running every 10 minutes especially at night. I did get used to it > just as we finally moved. The other store was on Rising Sun Ave about where > the #26 trolley and eventually bus line intersected with I believe the # 55 > bus line. (I seem to remember only the trolley and bus lines anymore since > that was the way I got around in those days). Anyway enough of my > reminiscents and thanks for the info. > > > > Regards, > > Joe from Boston where it is also raining but at least it isn't snowing. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54289	From: workinalure	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Fascinating! I stand corrected. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi: > I thought the name stood for what you thought - then I googled it and > found out they started in 1948 and the first two initials stood for the > person who started it (Eugene Ferkauf) and the Korvettes was another > spelling of the Corvettes (fast naval ship). Actually, he was a veteran > of WWII! > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > workinalure wrote: > > > > > > I too, remember the store on Roosevelt Blvd in Philadelphia. Do you > > remember the real name? E.J. Korvettes. Stood for Eight Jewish Korean > > War Vets. Just another tidbit....... > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54290	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

From the "For What It's Worth" department: If anyone has access to a copy of Classic Toy Trains, May/June 1995, there is allegedly a story entitled, "The story behind the American Flyer Simmons sets." I don't know what it says, but maybe someone can enlighten us. I Googled to find the reference: http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe?opt=I&MAG=CTT&MO=5&YR=1995&output=3&sort=D Curious in Boise, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54291	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

> Ahhhh...... I may have that saved in a binder, I will take a look. -Rick > > If anyone has access to a copy of Classic Toy Trains, May/June 1995, > there is allegedly a story entitled, "The story behind the American > Flyer Simmons sets." > Curious in Boise, > > John Eichmann > Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54292	From: ai2q	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Nope! I remeber going to Korvettes with my father to but that Atlantic set with the Simmons cars, just like it was yesterday! == Alex in maine --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > ... so the gentleman that mentioned that his Dad bought a Simmons' Set at Korvettes may be mistaken. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54293	From: jim patterson	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Hi! An orchard has various size tree's depending on there age, when, and type of tree planted in the orchard. Some grow faster than others. Happy Planting! What type of trees are you planting in your orchard? Let us know when the fruit is ready? --- On Wed, 5/6/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Trees > To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:44 AM > On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. > > I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. > > What size should I go with? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54294	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: More Docksider Fun

Hi All, For my initial comments and work around to get my Flyonel Docksider smoking read message 36955. I never did get any chuf-chuf sound. You can also SEARCH the archives for more discussion of the Flyonel Docksider. We even had a poll with more than 50% of the respondant's being unhappy with their Docksider. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54295	From: lou342ac	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Micro-switch for AF Turnouts

Paul, Page 54 of Tom Barker's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual 2nd Edition. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > > I remember seeing photos of how someone added micro-switches to AF switches > (Turnouts). > They were used to get 'position' feed back. > Anybody got a link? > > -- > Paul Yorke > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54296	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Hi all, Was this store named "Gobels" or something similar? I lived in Frankford in the late 60's. I think this is where my first AF set came from. Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car Raleigh, Thanks for the insight with regards to E.J. Korvette's. However, the local hobby stores with a AF franchise that I went to when I was a kid were not high volume operations and I remember that my Father got some good deals for me at them. Fair trade must have been up for grabs at those stores. If I remember correctly one of the hobby stores whose name I forgot was located on Frankford St one block north from the Frankford & Orthodox Elevated station. (When I was five and six, I lived in a third floor walkup about a block down next to a Studebaker Dealership. The front window was next to the El and it took a while to get used to a train about fifteen feet from my window running every 10 minutes especially at night. I did get used to it just as we finally moved. The other store was on Rising Sun Ave about where the #26 trolley and eventually bus line intersected with I believe the # 55 bus line. (I seem to remember only the trolley and bus lines anymore since that was the way I got around in those days). Anyway enough of my reminiscents and thanks for the info. Regards, Joe from Boston where it is also raining but at least it isn't snowing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54297	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] CTT May/June 1995

I have scan coming of the article about the Simmons set. I see, I did well, in starting a discussion about E.J. Korvette's. LOL I am still not sure what this Simmons was. And I got my first HO set on December 22, 1965 at the Rockville, MD Korvette's, a Varney set. So, I am the kiss of death to train makers, as I got a AF set in 58. Both Varney and AF went out of business. let see, I am making a train empire with S Helper Rolling stock and engines. Could this happen again. LOL Just kidding Don. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eastman To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: [toytrains] CTT May/June 1995 Mike I'll scan and e-mail to you off list this evening when the yard work is done. Steve "Papa" Eastman --- In toytrains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have the May/June 1995 CTT magazine? > > If you do, could you scan for me and email the story about the AF Simmons sets. > > They are very rare, due to the box car, but I am trying to find out, if it was from a department store that is long gone as some think it is the mattress company. > > Thanks. > > Mike Marmer > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54298	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Bear in mind that an inch represents 5'4" so a 4.24 inch tree represents a tree that is over 22.6 feet tall.  That's a pretty big apple tree.  I'd stick with a mix of the smaller sizes. --- On Wed, 5/6/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trees To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:44 AM On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. What size should I go with? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54299	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Mike, In real life apple trees at maturity are 12 to 20 feet depending on variety. From my college days in fruit production class. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Trees On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. What size should I go with? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54300	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Jim, Thanks, as the 3.25 inch trees should be fine then. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trees Mike, In real life apple trees at maturity are 12 to 20 feet depending on variety. From my college days in fruit production class. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Trees On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. What size should I go with? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54301	From: race944t	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

You should see the apple trees in my back yard. I have an apple picker on a pole that is 20 feet long, I'm 6' tall and can reach another 3'. Total height 29' and I still couldn't get the apples at the top of the tree last year. I guess it depends upon if Mike is doing a modern day hybrid orchard or and old growth orchard. Maybe the apple trees just grow bigger in the mts. of western Va. :-) "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > In real life apple trees at maturity are 12 to 20 feet depending on variety. From my college days in fruit production class. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: S Trains > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Trees > > > > > > On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. > > I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. > > What size should I go with? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54302	From: Jim King	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Barber trucks available again

The Barber 70- are now available for the first time. The Barber 100-ton trucks are back in stock. You can view painted/weathered examples on my web site under "trucks". Prices are listed on the price list. Contact me off list to ask questions and/or place an order. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54303	From: Jim King	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: B&O wagontop box is next

I'm starting the HO and S scale patterns for the B&O "wagontop" M53 boxcar late next week. The HO version will be offered thru Wright Trak Models with a target release date of late June. The S version will follow shortly behind. Contact Gary Wright directly for info on the HO version. The S scale version will retail for $80 and includes our standard 1-pc body with separate underframe (of the Duryea flavor) and Kadee 802s. Due to availability problems, I am no longer offering trucks but am contemplating producing my own ASF/Bettendorf style trucks if there is demand (make your voices heard!). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54304	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Thanks Bill, I think I will go with the 3.25 trees. Corn field will be done this weekend, as I got 19 units at York, order 25 more this week. They only sent in one. The rest are coming tomorrow. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trees You should see the apple trees in my back yard. I have an apple picker on a pole that is 20 feet long, I'm 6' tall and can reach another 3'. Total height 29' and I still couldn't get the apples at the top of the tree last year. I guess it depends upon if Mike is doing a modern day hybrid orchard or and old growth orchard. Maybe the apple trees just grow bigger in the mts. of western Va. :-) "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > In real life apple trees at maturity are 12 to 20 feet depending on variety. From my college days in fruit production class. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: S Trains > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Trees > > > > > > On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. > > I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. > > What size should I go with? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54305	From: Jim King	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner shipping next week

I'm proud (and relieved!) to announce that the GE 70-tonner models will start shipping next Wednesday. The last of the parts arrived today from the plater and a sheet metal supplier; tomorrow and Saturday I'll be injection molding the 36" wheels and start wheelset construction on Monday. If you have not ordered your engine directly or thru your favorite dealer, this is your LAST call. Once the final model is shipped (in about 3 weeks from now), the molds and patterns will be mothballed so I can focus on the next kit. The web site is being updated to show the pilot model but is not ready yet. Those of you wanting to see pix of the unpainted pilot model can email me off-list and I'll reply with 3 pix. To view the 70-tonner web page as it currently is, including pricing and a proto pic, go to my web site. Select "S scale" link on the main page then click on "70-tonner" in the upper right box. The web updates will include a page only for the engine. Price for either the early or late version is $325 + $10 shipping for 1, $20 for 2 or more in the "Lower 48". Don't delay . the last call has been made! Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54306	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Simmons

I put out a email to the TCA list that I am on, if anyone has the May/June 1995 issue of CTT could they scan the Simmons article. Several did that for me. Pretty nice O guagers. O:)! It turns out that this Simmons is the Simmons mattress company. In 1957 they did a "Boxcar Bargains Sale" that was done the next year in 1958, which produced two Simmons sets, 20151 and 20161. One was a display set. It is not clear on where they where sold. At this time, Simmons sold other types of furniture besides mattresses. They sold Sofas and Sleepers too. The sets where part of a nationwide sale with a 8 page ad in the June 9, 1958 Life Magazine. I tried to put this CTT article in the photo section, but the scans came as PDF's and the photo section does not see the PDF's. So now, since they where selling DRY goods, why a refrigerator car? LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54307	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Thanks Bob, as I will go with the smaller trees. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trees Bear in mind that an inch represents 5'4" so a 4.24 inch tree represents a tree that is over 22.6 feet tall. That's a pretty big apple tree. I'd stick with a mix of the smaller sizes. --- On Wed, 5/6/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trees To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 4:44 AM On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. What size should I go with? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54308	From: G C	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

No doubt heritage apple trees are bigger than the ones planted in today's orchards. The fact that there are so many trees means that the workers don't have to climb to get at the fruit. Also, when they get old and loose there productivity, the smaller hybrids can just be plowed over so that they can be easily replaced. gene cimino ________________________________ From: race944t <race944t@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 12:00:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trees You should see the apple trees in my back yard. I have an apple picker on a pole that is 20 feet long, I'm 6' tall and can reach another 3'. Total height 29' and I still couldn't get the apples at the top of the tree last year. I guess it depends upon if Mike is doing a modern day hybrid orchard or and old growth orchard. Maybe the apple trees just grow bigger in the mts. of western Va. :-) "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@ ...> wrote: > > Mike, > > In real life apple trees at maturity are 12 to 20 feet depending on variety. From my college days in fruit production class. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: S Trains > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Trees > > > > > > On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. > > I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. > > What size should I go with? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54309	From: zdava	Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?

I have some used AF track where pin openings at each end of the track are not tight. You can tell that the track was taken apart and put together many times, loosening the pin openings. Is there a rail 'shaper' for AF track, kind of like the Lionel pliers that re-shape the rail? Any ideas appreciated. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54310	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?

Dave: I found this quick solution to your problem in the old American Flyer Trains Model Railroading paperback book in my collection. Using a pair of either regular or needle nosed pliers, simply bend the pins outward slightly. Then simply connect the track sections together. The pins will fit rather snugly and you might have to work the track a little bit, but this quick track trick fixed the problem for me. Happy Railroading Michael **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54311	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?

I just use a pair of side cutters - if that's what you call them up there. Matter of fact I use them to tighten ends on everything from European S to various Standard gauge tracks. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zdava Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug? I have some used AF track where pin openings at each end of the track are not tight. You can tell that the track was taken apart and put together many times, loosening the pin openings. Is there a rail 'shaper' for AF track, kind of like the Lionel pliers that re-shape the rail? Any ideas appreciated. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54312	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

I just got a order in from Scenic Express and they had a guide line on height of trees. No apple, but they had Silver Maple at 100 ft as that would be 25 inches in O scale! Dogwoods where more like 7 inches in O, so I will go with Dogwoods on the rest of the layout later, as that would be about 5 inches or so. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees No doubt heritage apple trees are bigger than the ones planted in today's orchards. The fact that there are so many trees means that the workers don't have to climb to get at the fruit. Also, when they get old and loose there productivity, the smaller hybrids can just be plowed over so that they can be easily replaced. gene cimino ________________________________ From: race944t <race944t@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 12:00:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trees You should see the apple trees in my back yard. I have an apple picker on a pole that is 20 feet long, I'm 6' tall and can reach another 3'. Total height 29' and I still couldn't get the apples at the top of the tree last year. I guess it depends upon if Mike is doing a modern day hybrid orchard or and old growth orchard. Maybe the apple trees just grow bigger in the mts. of western Va. :-) "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@ ...> wrote: > > Mike, > > In real life apple trees at maturity are 12 to 20 feet depending on variety. From my college days in fruit production class. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: S Trains > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Trees > > > > > > On my layout I am going to make a apple orchard. > > I have choice of 2.75, 3.25 0r 4.24 inch tall trees. > > What size should I go with? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54313	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Need some help

Would anyone out there be willing to send me a photo of a 375 T&P GP-7 with the shell off? I am trying to restore a 375 where someone pretty much gutted out the chassis. I'd like to see how things are laid out under the shell, especially the speaker. Any help on this would truly be appreciated. Thank you......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54314	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Hi Mike: We have lots of apple orchards here, and they keep the trees down to a low height - maybe 6-10' so a person can pick the apples standing on the ground. They prune the trees once a year to keep them at that height. I do remember in the movie Ciderhouse Rules, however, that picking apples required a ladder, but trees were probably not much higher than 16-20'. Of course, a lot depends on what kind of apples you are growing, when (I think the apple trees are going more to smaller heights in modern orchards), and what you want to have! So probably the shorter trees that you have chosen are better! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: I just got a order in from Scenic Express and they had a guide line on height of trees. No apple, but they had Silver Maple at 100 ft as that would be 25 inches in O scale! > > > Dogwoods where more like 7 inches in O, so I will go with Dogwoods on > the rest of the layout later, as that would be about 5 inches or so. LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G C > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees > > No doubt heritage apple trees are bigger than the ones planted in > today's orchards. The fact that there are so many trees means that the > workers don't have to climb to get at the fruit. Also, when they get > old and loose there productivity, the smaller hybrids can just be > plowed over so that they can be easily replaced. > > gene cimino > > ________________________________ > From: race944t <race944t@... <mailto:race944t%40sitestar.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 12:00:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trees > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54315	From: Kenneth Milner	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: New Member Seeking Help

Hello To All . . . . I'm new to the list and I'm glad to be a part of it. The topics are interesting and the information great. So digging right in, I'm looking for some Code 172 Nickle Silver rail. I know that it is available in Flex Track with plastic ties, but I am wanting to handlay the rail on wooden ties. And, I've located two sources for Code 172 in brass, but I would prefer Nickle Silver. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks . . . . Ye Olde Iron Horse

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54316	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: B&O wagontop box is next

Jim, great news! It mirrors the announcement in this month's Railroad Model Craftsman. Defer to you on the trucks. Paul Schilling In a message dated 5/7/2009 8:38:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimking3@... writes: I'm starting the HO and S scale patterns for the B&O "wagontop" M53 boxcar late next week. The HO version will be offered thru Wright Trak Models with a target release date of late June. The S version will follow shortly behind. Contact Gary Wright directly for info on the HO version. The S scale version will retail for $80 and includes our standard 1-pc body with separate underframe (of the Duryea flavor) and Kadee 802s. Due to availability problems, I am no longer offering trucks but am contemplating producing my own ASF/Bettendorf style trucks if there is demand (make your voices heard!). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <_http://www.smokymouhttp://www.smokyhtt_ (http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54317	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Where Are The Layouts?

If there are members of this group who live in the Southern half of California and have an operating layout, I'd like to talk with them about participating in an open house. I organize free layout tours for model railroaders (sixteen since 2006) and in 2008 organized the layout tours for the national conventions of both the NMRA and the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society. Sharing your modeling efforts is a great way to support this scale and the hobby. Please contact me OFF LIST at: chiefbobbb@.... Thank you. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54318	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Hi Rance, I think then the 3.25 inch trees will be perfect. Cider House movie had some shots done in Acadia National Park. Maybe I can make a replica of Cider Barrel in Germantown to go with it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees Hi Mike: We have lots of apple orchards here, and they keep the trees down to a low height - maybe 6-10' so a person can pick the apples standing on the ground. They prune the trees once a year to keep them at that height. I do remember in the movie Ciderhouse Rules, however, that picking apples required a ladder, but trees were probably not much higher than 16-20'. Of course, a lot depends on what kind of apples you are growing, when (I think the apple trees are going more to smaller heights in modern orchards), and what you want to have! So probably the shorter trees that you have chosen are better! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54319	From: Jim King	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: S scale 70-ton diesel pix on web site

There are 3 low rez (will be upsized later) images of the S scale GE 70-ton diesel pilot model (later version) on my web site. Go to the S scale section and click on the far right column (diesel image) to take you to the page. Contact me off-list if you have questions and/or wish to order. I accept Paypal, checks and money orders. 73 of the 100 total run are now sold, so don't delay placing an order. Only kits that have been reserved/paid by the 3rd week in May (when the last shipments are made) will be produced. Orders received after that week will be held until a sufficient number of back orders are accumulated to justify another run of castings within a reasonable amount of time. If a sufficient number is not reached, the orders will be refunded. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54320	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Moderator or Phil, Sorry about the attachment, as I thought the email was just from Rance. Zippy is a neat comic as he visits old roadside things, as this item is in my home town, dating back to 1925 or so. The land is now a housing development. The building was saved, but not open in the fall anymore for apples and cider. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees Hi Rance, I think then the 3.25 inch trees will be perfect. Cider House movie had some shots done in Acadia National Park. Maybe I can make a replica of Cider Barrel in Germantown to go with it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees Hi Mike: We have lots of apple orchards here, and they keep the trees down to a low height - maybe 6-10' so a person can pick the apples standing on the ground. They prune the trees once a year to keep them at that height. I do remember in the movie Ciderhouse Rules, however, that picking apples required a ladder, but trees were probably not much higher than 16-20'. Of course, a lot depends on what kind of apples you are growing, when (I think the apple trees are going more to smaller heights in modern orchards), and what you want to have! So probably the shorter trees that you have chosen are better! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: I just got a order in from Scenic Express and they had a guide line on height of trees. No apple, but they had Silver Maple at 100 ft as that would be 25 inches in O scale! > > > Dogwoods where more like 7 inches in O, so I will go with Dogwoods on > the rest of the layout later, as that would be about 5 inches or so. LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G C > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees > > No doubt heritage apple trees are bigger than the ones planted in > today's orchards. The fact that there are so many trees means that the > workers don't have to climb to get at the fruit. Also, when they get > old and loose there productivity, the smaller hybrids can just be > plowed over so that they can be easily replaced. > > gene cimino > > ________________________________ > From: race944t <race944t@... <mailto:race944t%40sitestar.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 12:00:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trees > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54321	From: michael prell	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: New Member Seeking Help

Ken, I'd suggest trying Doug Peck at doug@... . If he doesn't have what you want, I'd bet that he'll know where you could check. Good luck and welcome to the group! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Kenneth Milner <kgmilner@...> wrote: From: Kenneth Milner <kgmilner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New Member Seeking Help To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:01 AM Hello To All . . . . I'm new to the list and I'm glad to be a part of it. The topics are interesting and the information great. So digging right in, I'm looking for some Code 172 Nickle Silver rail. I know that it is available in Flex Track with plastic ties, but I am wanting to handlay the rail on wooden ties. And, I've located two sources for Code 172 in brass, but I would prefer Nickle Silver. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks . . . . Ye Olde Iron Horse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54322	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2009
Subject: Re: Trees

Sorry, I did not think the message below would go to the list. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees Moderator or Phil, Sorry about the attachment, as I thought the email was just from Rance. Zippy is a neat comic as he visits old roadside things, as this item is in my home town, dating back to 1925 or so. The land is now a housing development. The building was saved, but not open in the fall anymore for apples and cider. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees Hi Rance, I think then the 3.25 inch trees will be perfect. Cider House movie had some shots done in Acadia National Park. Maybe I can make a replica of Cider Barrel in Germantown to go with it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees Hi Mike: We have lots of apple orchards here, and they keep the trees down to a low height - maybe 6-10' so a person can pick the apples standing on the ground. They prune the trees once a year to keep them at that height. I do remember in the movie Ciderhouse Rules, however, that picking apples required a ladder, but trees were probably not much higher than 16-20'. Of course, a lot depends on what kind of apples you are growing, when (I think the apple trees are going more to smaller heights in modern orchards), and what you want to have! So probably the shorter trees that you have chosen are better! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: I just got a order in from Scenic Express and they had a guide line on height of trees. No apple, but they had Silver Maple at 100 ft as that would be 25 inches in O scale! > > > Dogwoods where more like 7 inches in O, so I will go with Dogwoods on > the rest of the layout later, as that would be about 5 inches or so. LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G C > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Trees > > No doubt heritage apple trees are bigger than the ones planted in > today's orchards. The fact that there are so many trees means that the > workers don't have to climb to get at the fruit. Also, when they get > old and loose there productivity, the smaller hybrids can just be > plowed over so that they can be easily replaced. > > gene cimino > > ________________________________ > From: race944t <race944t@... <mailto:race944t%40sitestar.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 12:00:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trees > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54323	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Track Up Grade

I am in the process of building a new layout. After many years in storage my orginal AF track - Hi rail- is questionable. I want to start from scratch any recommendations on type of track and turnouts. Layout will be 5x9 on a styrofoam base.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54324	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Track up grade

I'm very happy with S Helper Service track, both the sectional with the roadbed, and the flex track. It is the lowest code rail which will run both Hi-rail and Scale wheels, and the switches will work with everything as well since they have the movable frog to eliminate dearailments. There are long and short sections in both straight and curve track in the sectional type, as well as uncouler and accessory tracks. The roadbed is about the best looking in the industry. However, this line is limited by there being no crossing section to do figure eights, and switches of wider radius haven't appeared yet. All my layouts in the past eight years are built on 2" extruded foam in both S and On30. If you plan to use flex track, it might be worth your while to look into using the roadbed they suggest under it. Especially if you plan to run heavy old metal locos. On my flextrack glued directly to foam layout, it can be a little noisy, though not nearly as bad as old Flyer track on plywood. Best of luck with your new endeavor! Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54325	From: John	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade

Hi Mark I will be using S-Helper flex track on my layout and it runs the Hi-rail stuff fine. Since the flex track comes in longer lenghts you may want to look into S-Helpers sectional track as it's already has that pre roadbeded look to it ----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Track Up Grade I am in the process of building a new layout. After many years in storage my orginal AF track - Hi rail- is questionable. I want to start from scratch any recommendations on type of track and turnouts. Layout will be 5x9 on a styrofoam base. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54326	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade

Mark, When we re-tracked our modular S layout we used American Models track and turnouts. It looks good and works well, but the flex pieces were difficult to work with. Also, some modification was necessary on the turnouts to make them work smoothly with all types of flanges. Our S layout for the big Holiday Village layout at Union Station Kansas City uses SHS track and turnouts. An advantage of it of course is that it has already has roadbed. We have had no problems with it whatsoever. I have not put a meter to it , but it seems to suck less power than old AF track. I personally like the looks and ad copy of the American S Gauge track and turnouts. It has a slightly higher profile, .172 nickel/silver rail weathered. The producers of the track claim it will operate any type of S equipment. It is not cheap, and I have no personal experience with it, but when I get Œround to building my new S layout, I will take a closer look. Some people use AM or Gargraves track with Tom¹s Turnouts. I have seem these combinations in operation and they look great and work well. So, my best recommendation is to somehow take a look at the various track options up close and personal if possible. I believe that all the above mentioned will work well, but if you are running flanges from different eras and different manufacturers, you have to investigate compatibility very carefully. Roy Inman on 5/9/09 6:43 AM, wisner_mark at wisner_mark@... wrote: > > > > > > I am in the process of building a new layout. After many years in storage my > orginal AF track - Hi rail- is questionable. I want to start from scratch any > recommendations on type of track and turnouts. Layout will be 5x9 on a > styrofoam base. > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54327	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the reversing mechanism. I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54328	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Dave Winslow wrote: > I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and > then by switching my DC polarity, can control direction > without use of the reversing mechanism. The old ACG motors were universal motors with a separate field and armature windings. They reversed by changing the polarity of the field in respect to the armature via the reversing relay. I'm not sure that just reversing the DC voltage would accomplish the same thing. Can motors have a permanent magnet field so they can reverse just by changing the polarity. But I could be wrong. Has anyone tried just running a stock engine on DC alone? George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54329	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade

I am very happy with the track I am using from Classic Trains. www.classictrains.com They also have the right scale of natural rock ballast for the track in many shades. Having the right scale of ballast I was told yesterday, from the editor of CTT, is very important. Oops, I let it out, that Roger Carp, editor called me on the phone yesterday, as I have been going back and forth with him on emails about my layout. He wanted to do a story on it for this fall, but I told him lets shoot for next year. He really likes the layout, as it is about 75% done, landscaping. He was impressed not only with the baseball field, but the track and ballast really caught his eye. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54330	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track up grade

I concur.  Our San Diego S-Gaugers club chose S-Helper felx track and the recommended Cal Roadbed and are very happy with it.  We selected Tom's Turnouts to get the necessary wider radius and they have worked well, too.  Here are some pictures of our track laying process:      http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/building-the-first-modules/building-the-first-modules-2 --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Track up grade To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:39 AM I'm very happy with S Helper Service track, both the sectional with the roadbed, and the flex track. It is the lowest code rail which will run both Hi-rail and Scale wheels, and the switches will work with everything as well since they have the movable frog to eliminate dearailments. There are long and short sections in both straight and curve track in the sectional type, as well as uncouler and accessory tracks. The roadbed is about the best looking in the industry. However, this line is limited by there being no crossing section to do figure eights, and switches of wider radius haven't appeared yet. All my layouts in the past eight years are built on 2" extruded foam in both S and On30. If you plan to use flex track, it might be worth your while to look into using the roadbed they suggest under it. Especially if you plan to run heavy old metal locos. On my flextrack glued directly to foam layout, it can be a little noisy, though not nearly as bad as old Flyer track on plywood. Best of luck with your new endeavor! Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer in eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54331	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Dave, Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic message. Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by > using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I > plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus > and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be > 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for > a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. > > I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by > switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the > reversing mechanism. > > I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. > Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54332	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn Dave Winslow wrote: I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response---------- No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody know? There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't put my hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in this group's files. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54333	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Latest photos

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1489917834/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=221&dir=asc Latest photos of the layout, as added where 3 Mobil Gas Tanks, a produce loading dock I made from a kit, truck parking lot and roadway to the produce loading dock, a black cat on the infield, (curse of the black cat, 1969, Cubs vs. Mets), more signs to the baseball wall and last, 44 units of corn. I have matching soil to be put down later. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54334	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: track up grade

I used AM Flex and switches on a garage layout. The switches became unuseable. They warped and the ties shrank which caused the gauge to change which in turn caused many derailments. I think it was the temperature and humidity changes that caused the track problems. I have sense moved the layout indoors and am contemplating hand laying the entire thing. Robert Yablonski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54335	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos

Good looking photos, Mike. Does Superman visit your phone booths?   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54336	From: michael prell	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

George, If you own and run an old 314 AW, dc would cause the whistle to run continually. Just my two cents worth. Good luck Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54337	From: michael prell	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos

Wow! Great stuff! Was that shoeless Joe Jackson, or Kevin Costner? Prell of S-yracuse{:>)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54338	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Cohn > Dave Winslow wrote: > > I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by switching > my DC polarity, can control direction > without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response---------- > No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just > like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve > DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by > disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. > Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I > forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody know? > > There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't put my > hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in > this group's files. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Yes everything is making sense. If field is wired to always see juice one way, via the bridge, regardless of the track polarity, while the commutator get juice from the tracks, I'll get the reversing I want. Or I can upgrade to a can motor, and I can mix them. No need for DCC. I'm still wondering about driving the xformers with dimmers, a nice cheap solution. I can hang a small value cap across input and outputs to suppress that spike maybe, at least clamp down the noise up in the radio frequencies. Thanks to all, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54339	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Lionel has a 6-6500.    it gives d.c. to track.  Might you be using one of those?       Mike who is courious.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54340	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

yabo1@... wrote: > > > > Dave, > > Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the > inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you > were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer > you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your > neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic message. But it is done all the time! Lots of people put conventional dimmers on these xformer powered 12 volt lighting systems. > Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. It > is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is slow > speed operation you are trying to obtain. Maybe I should plan on them anyway, I've read only good things about them. I understand I can get them with the worm gear already protruding out the front for direct replacement for typical steam locos. what about Diesels? > I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched from > AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic to > include DCC thus can run any loco I want. I go back and forth on DCC. I want a control panel that represents the layout with all appropriate switches etc., the hand held controllers are not at all what I have had in mind. Thanks for the help, Dave > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > > > On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by > > using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I > > plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus > > and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be > > 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for > > a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. > > > > I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by > > switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the > > reversing mechanism. > > > > I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. > > Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54341	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

This topic came up a couple of years ago with a fellow from Australia. You will find no problem using a dimmer ahead of the transformer to operate a train. If you get too inexpensive a dimmer it may not like the transformer load and get hot. If it does this use common sense, stop, turn it off and go buy a more expensive dimmer. It is true that the dimmer "clips" the sine wave and makes sharp edges that can cause electrical noise but modern dimmers are compensated not to do this or even with an incandescent load, they would interfere with over the air TV and radio. The transformer will be lowering the output voltage so the clipped ac at 18 volts will be a much smaller signal that that at 120 V and will be proportionally less likely to interfere with anything. Using a dimmer after the transformer will not necessarily produce DC to the track as dimmers generally modify the duty cycle on both halves of the sine wave. It takes a bridge rectifier after the transformer to produce the DC you are looking for. A dimmer ahead of the transformer and a bridge rectifier after the transformer can result in the DC pulses you want for locomotive operation.   As others have mentioned, the universal motors in the Gilbert AC locomotives will run on AC or DC and the reversing is controlled by the way the field winding is connected in relation to the armature. In the Gilbert locomotives the reversal of the connections is done with the reversing unit. It is possible to remove it from the circuit and substitute a bridge rectifier effectively making the motor operate on DC with reverse controlled by the polarity of the DC on the track. In addition to the 314 AW mentioned, modern L built AF locomotive have a variety of sound device controls activated by DC which will turn on when the locomotive is powered by DC. The effect of the dimmer clipping on these sound units is unknown.   Bill Drake "S"t. Louis, MO --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:38 PM Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Cohn > Dave Winslow wrote: > > I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by switching > my DC polarity, can control direction > without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response --------- - > No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just > like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve > DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by > disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. > Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I > forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody know? > > There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't put my > hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in > this group's files. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Yes everything is making sense. If field is wired to always see juice one way, via the bridge, regardless of the track polarity, while the commutator get juice from the tracks, I'll get the reversing I want. Or I can upgrade to a can motor, and I can mix them. No need for DCC. I'm still wondering about driving the xformers with dimmers, a nice cheap solution. I can hang a small value cap across input and outputs to suppress that spike maybe, at least clamp down the noise up in the radio frequencies. Thanks to all, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54342	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with using light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer layout for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our local tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about twice as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you still chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as they are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yabo1@... Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. Dave, Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic message. Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by > using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I > plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus > and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be > 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for > a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. > > I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by > switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the > reversing mechanism. > > I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. > Thanks, Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54343	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Dave, years ago I went to a surplus store & bought 18 v transformers. I then took a dimmer & wired the dimmer out put to the transformer input. everything worked fine. Rhett who is on this list advised me, that the wave form coming out of the transformer, would have a chopped or square sine wave. This would not be noticed by the motors. Mike in Ore In a message dated 5/9/2009 1:58:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davidwin@... writes: Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Cohn > Dave Winslow wrote: > > I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by switching > my DC polarity, can control direction > without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response ---- > No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just > like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve > DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by > disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. > Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I > forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody know? > > There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't put my > hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in > this group's files. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Yes everything is making sense. If field is wired to always see juice one way, via the bridge, regardless of the track polarity, while the commutator get juice from the tracks, I'll get the reversing I want. Or I can upgrade to a can motor, and I can mix them. No need for DCC. I'm still wondering about driving the xformers with dimmers, a nice cheap solution. I can hang a small value cap across input and outputs to suppress that spike maybe, at least clamp down the noise up in the radio frequencies. Thanks to all, Dave **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54344	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Bill Drake wrote: > > > > This topic came up a couple of years ago with a fellow from Australia. > You will find no problem using a dimmer ahead of the transformer to > operate a train. That is great news, your the second one to endorse the idea. > If you get too inexpensive a dimmer it may not like the > transformer load and get hot. If it does this use common sense, stop, > turn it off and go buy a more expensive dimmer. It is true that the > dimmer "clips" the sine wave and makes sharp edges that can cause > electrical noise but modern dimmers are compensated not to do this or > even with an incandescent load, they would interfere with over the air > TV and radio. The transformer will be lowering the output voltage so the > clipped ac at 18 volts will be a much smaller signal that that at 120 V > and will be proportionally less likely to interfere with anything. Using > a dimmer after the transformer will not necessarily produce DC to the > track as dimmers generally modify the duty cycle on both halves of the > sine wave. It takes a bridge rectifier after the > transformer to produce the DC you are looking for. A dimmer ahead of the > transformer and a bridge rectifier after the transformer can result in > the DC pulses you want for locomotive operation. Yes, I mentioned using individual diodes because I wanted both positive and negative voltages against a common ground. > As others have mentioned, the universal motors in the Gilbert AC > locomotives will run on AC or DC and the reversing is controlled by the > way the field winding is connected in relation to the armature. In the > Gilbert locomotives the reversal of the connections is done with the > reversing unit. It is possible to remove it from the circuit and > substitute a bridge rectifier effectively making the motor operate on DC > with reverse controlled by the polarity of the DC on the track. In > addition to the 314 AW mentioned, modern L built AF locomotive have a > variety of sound device controls activated by DC which will turn on when > the locomotive is powered by DC. The effect of the dimmer clipping on > these sound units is unknown. > > Bill Drake > "S"t. Louis, MO Thanks Bill, I have only older equipment, no sound stuff, but have thought of adding some. It would be great fun to design and build my own sound modules, maybe some day. Dave > > --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@... > <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>> wrote: > > From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@... <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:38 PM > > Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: George Cohn > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by switching > > my DC polarity, can control direction > > without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response --------- - > > No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just > > like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve > > DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by > > disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. > > Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I > > forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody know? > > > > There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't > put my > > hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in > > this group's files. > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > Yes everything is making sense. If field is wired to always > see juice one way, via the bridge, regardless of the track > polarity, while the commutator get juice from the tracks, > I'll get the reversing I want. Or I can upgrade to a can > motor, and I can mix them. No need for DCC. > > I'm still wondering about driving the xformers with dimmers, > a nice cheap solution. I can hang a small value cap across > input and outputs to suppress that spike maybe, at least > clamp down the noise up in the radio frequencies. > > Thanks to all, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54345	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Alistair McAllister wrote: > I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with using > light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer layout > for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the > mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our local > tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about twice > as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you still > chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as they > are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair This is great to here Alistair, dimmers on the xformer inputs as I described? And I thought I had a unique idea. Do you notice any radio interference, I have often noticed a big issue (AM only) with these little photocell controlled night lights. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54346	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Are you using the 600 Watt residential or the 2000Watt commercial??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:18:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, alizoo@... writes: I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with using light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer layout for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our local tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about twice as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you still chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as they are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yabo1@... Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. Dave, Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic message. Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by > using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I > plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus > and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be > 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for > a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. > > I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by > switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the > reversing mechanism. > > I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. > Thanks, Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54347	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Does anyone know how a dimmer would work on the output side of the transformer? This way I could use the variable post for improved low speed train operations, and the constant voltage post could remain at full voltage for switchs, etc. Pat, In Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. Dave, years ago I went to a surplus store & bought 18 v transformers. I then took a dimmer & wired the dimmer out put to the transformer input. everything worked fine. Rhett who is on this list advised me, that the wave form coming out of the transformer, would have a chopped or square sine wave. This would not be noticed by the motors. Mike in Ore In a message dated 5/9/2009 1:58:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davidwin@... writes: Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Cohn > Dave Winslow wrote: > > I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by switching > my DC polarity, can control direction > without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response ---- > No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just > like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve > DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by > disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. > Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I > forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody know? > > There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't put my > hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in > this group's files. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Yes everything is making sense. If field is wired to always see juice one way, via the bridge, regardless of the track polarity, while the commutator get juice from the tracks, I'll get the reversing I want. Or I can upgrade to a can motor, and I can mix them. No need for DCC. I'm still wondering about driving the xformers with dimmers, a nice cheap solution. I can hang a small value cap across input and outputs to suppress that spike maybe, at least clamp down the noise up in the radio frequencies. Thanks to all, Dave **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54348	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Dave, The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM , Alistair McAllister wrote: > I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with > using > light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer > layout > for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the > mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our > local > tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about > twice > as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you > still > chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as > they > are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair > > > _____ > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf > Of yabo1@... > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > > > > > > > > Dave, > > Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the > inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you > were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer > you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your > neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic > message. > > Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. > It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is > slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. > > I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched > from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic > to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > >> On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by >> using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I >> plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus >> and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be >> 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for >> a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. >> >> I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by >> switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the >> reversing mechanism. >> >> I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. >> Thanks, Dave W. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54349	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

anormal1@... wrote: > > > > Dave, years ago I went to a surplus store & bought 18 v transformers. I > then took a dimmer & wired the dimmer out put to the transformer input. > everything worked fine. > Rhett who is on this list advised me, that the wave form coming out of > the transformer, would have a chopped or square sine wave. This would > not be > noticed by the motors. Mike in Ore Thanks Mike, I sure am getting lots of responses. So far it is one warning, and 3 time tested approvals of the idea. I'm going for it, for sure, I'll hide the big old house dimmers behind the control panel, in the center of each loop with nice small knobs up front. Thanks again, Dave > In a message dated 5/9/2009 1:58:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > davidwin@... <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net> writes: > > Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: George Cohn > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by > switching > > my DC polarity, can control direction > > without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response ---- > > No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just > > like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve > > DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by > > disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. > > Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I > > forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody > know? > > > > There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't put > my > > hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in > > this group's files. > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > Yes everything is making sense. If field is wired to always > see juice one way, via the bridge, regardless of the track > polarity, while the commutator get juice from the tracks, > I'll get the reversing I want. Or I can upgrade to a can > motor, and I can mix them. No need for DCC. > > I'm still wondering about driving the xformers with dimmers, > a nice cheap solution. I can hang a small value cap across > input and outputs to suppress that spike maybe, at least > clamp down the noise up in the radio frequencies. > > Thanks to all, Dave

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Subject: For Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54351	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Again - theory! Practice proves no problems. Again please check my last sentence about fan controllers. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yabo1@... Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. Dave, The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM , Alistair McAllister wrote: > I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with > using > light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer > layout > for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the > mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our > local > tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about > twice > as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you > still > chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as > they > are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair > > > _____ > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On > Behalf > Of yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > > > > > > > > Dave, > > Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the > inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you > were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer > you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your > neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic > message. > > Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. > It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is > slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. > > I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched > from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic > to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > >> On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by >> using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I >> plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus >> and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be >> 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for >> a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. >> >> I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by >> switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the >> reversing mechanism. >> >> I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. >> Thanks, Dave W. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/10/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54353	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Not quite - they are designed to modulate power. Inductive loads only cause a problem if there is a big reactance factor. An unloaded transformer has almost none unless the output terminals are shorted. Lamps powered by the transformer will look like a resistive load. A Flyer locomotive is not enough of a load to look like a problem. I'll repeat my warning - try it, if the dimmer gets too hot, stop and get one with a higher power rating. The fan lamp suggestion is an excellent one. The very worst possible outcome is that the solid state devices in the dimmer blow out and it doesn't do anything. I doubt you can find one without a UL rating and UL primarily tests for fire hazard under all kinds of duress conditions, so a fire is unlikely. The important part is to pay attention and stop if a problem becomes obvious.   Alistair and I had a lot of this conversation a couple of years ago - it works for him on 220 volt systems if I remember.   Bill Drake St. Louis   --- On Sat, 5/9/09, yabo1@... <yabo1@...> wrote: From: yabo1@... <yabo1@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:32 PM Dave, The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM , Alistair McAllister wrote: > I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with > using > light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer > layout > for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the > mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our > local > tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about > twice > as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you > still > chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as > they > are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair > > > _____ > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf > Of yabo1@... > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > > > > > > > > Dave, > > Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the > inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you > were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer > you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your > neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic > message. > > Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. > It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is > slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. > > I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched > from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic > to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > >> On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by >> using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I >> plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus >> and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be >> 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for >> a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. >> >> I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by >> switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the >> reversing mechanism. >> >> I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. >> Thanks, Dave W. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54354	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: For Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

True on the dimmer being designed to work with an incandescent load or resistor. But here is the main thing to remember, the dimmer is being used to control the primary winding of the transformer & "KNOWS" nothing about what is going on with the secondary. Mike in Or In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:43:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yabo1@... writes: Dave, The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54356	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Yep - on 240 volt actually. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. Not quite - they are designed to modulate power. Inductive loads only cause a problem if there is a big reactance factor. An unloaded transformer has almost none unless the output terminals are shorted. Lamps powered by the transformer will look like a resistive load. A Flyer locomotive is not enough of a load to look like a problem. I'll repeat my warning - try it, if the dimmer gets too hot, stop and get one with a higher power rating. The fan lamp suggestion is an excellent one. The very worst possible outcome is that the solid state devices in the dimmer blow out and it doesn't do anything. I doubt you can find one without a UL rating and UL primarily tests for fire hazard under all kinds of duress conditions, so a fire is unlikely. The important part is to pay attention and stop if a problem becomes obvious. Alistair and I had a lot of this conversation a couple of years ago - it works for him on 220 volt systems if I remember. Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Sat, 5/9/09, yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> <yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> > wrote: From: yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> <yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:32 PM Dave, The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM , Alistair McAllister wrote: > I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with > using > light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer > layout > for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the > mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our > local > tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about > twice > as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you > still > chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as > they > are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair > > > _____ > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf > Of yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > > > > > > > > Dave, > > Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the > inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you > were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer > you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your > neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic > message. > > Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. > It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is > slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. > > I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched > from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic > to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > >> On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by >> using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I >> plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus >> and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be >> 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for >> a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. >> >> I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by >> switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the >> reversing mechanism. >> >> I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. >> Thanks, Dave W. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54357	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade

Thanks for the info on the differnet track types. I have pricing for SHS track. Will check out American S Gauge. When building a AF layout does it discount the perception of the layout if AF track and turn outs are not used.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54358	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Sorry about that - memory isn't what it used to be.   Bill --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:38 PM Yep - on 240 volt actually. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. Not quite - they are designed to modulate power. Inductive loads only cause a problem if there is a big reactance factor. An unloaded transformer has almost none unless the output terminals are shorted. Lamps powered by the transformer will look like a resistive load. A Flyer locomotive is not enough of a load to look like a problem. I'll repeat my warning - try it, if the dimmer gets too hot, stop and get one with a higher power rating. The fan lamp suggestion is an excellent one. The very worst possible outcome is that the solid state devices in the dimmer blow out and it doesn't do anything. I doubt you can find one without a UL rating and UL primarily tests for fire hazard under all kinds of duress conditions, so a fire is unlikely. The important part is to pay attention and stop if a problem becomes obvious. Alistair and I had a lot of this conversation a couple of years ago - it works for him on 220 volt systems if I remember. Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Sat, 5/9/09, yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1% 40cox.net> <yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1% 40cox.net> > wrote: From: yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1% 40cox.net> <yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1% 40cox.net> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:32 PM Dave, The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM , Alistair McAllister wrote: > I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with > using > light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer > layout > for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the > mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our > local > tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about > twice > as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you > still > chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as > they > are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair > > > _____ > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com] On > Behalf > Of yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1% 40cox.net> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > > > > > > > > Dave, > > Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the > inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you > were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer > you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your > neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic > message. > > Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. > It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is > slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. > > I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched > from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic > to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > >> On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by >> using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I >> plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus >> and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be >> 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for >> a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. >> >> I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by >> switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the >> reversing mechanism. >> >> I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. >> Thanks, Dave W. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54359	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Actually not true, the nature of a transformer is that what is on the secondary is reflected into the primary and in an ideal transformer exactlt by the ratio of the windings.   Bill --- On Sat, 5/9/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:45 PM True on the dimmer being designed to work with an incandescent load or resistor. But here is the main thing to remember, the dimmer is being used to control the primary winding of the transformer & "KNOWS" nothing about what is going on with the secondary. Mike in Or In a message dated 5/9/2009 4:43:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yabo1@... writes: Dave, The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122182 3232x1201398636/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072& hmpgID=62& bcd= May5909footerNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54360	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY

I really can't buy that the secondary is the input & the primary, the output. I worked in So Cal. Edison's transformer repair division for quite awhile. See Below A transformer is a device that transfers _electrical energy_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_energy) from one _circuit_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_network) to another through _inductively coupled_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_coupling) conductors — the transformer's coils or "windings". Except for _air-core_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer#Cores) transformers, the conductors are commonly wound around a single iron-rich core, or around separate but magnetically-coupled cores. A varying _current_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_current) in the first or "primary" winding creates a varying _magnetic field_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field) in the core (or cores) of the transformer. This varying magnetic field _induces_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction) a varying _electromotive force (EMF)_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromotive_force) or "_voltage_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt) " in the "secondary" winding. This effect is called _mutual induction_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_induction) . If a _load_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_load) is connected to the secondary, an electric current will flow in the secondary winding and electrical energy will flow from the primary circuit through the transformer to the load. In an ideal transformer, the induced voltage in the secondary winding (VS) is in proportion to the primary voltage (VP), and is given by the ratio of the number of turns in the secondary to the number of turns in the primary as follows: **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54361	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos

LOL Thanks. That is neither but world famous "Mosquito" Rodriquez, Shortstop for the D&K RR Pinheads. He got lost coming to the stadium from the Frosty Bar. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest photos Wow! Great stuff! Was that shoeless Joe Jackson, or Kevin Costner? Prell of S-yracuse{:>) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54362	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Latest photos

Only lost souls who do not carry a cell phone. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest photos Good looking photos, Mike. Does Superman visit your phone booths? Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54363	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

yabo1@... wrote: > > > > Dave, > > The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a > resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. It may be intended for incandescent loads, but I think it is just a triac with triggering circuitry, so it will do what it does regardless of the load, within reason. I assume as long as the current drawn is not enough to heat it up, and ordinary xforers are only a couple hundred watts, it should work ok. That also agrees with the actual experiences of several people who have responded. Thanks, Dave > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM , Alistair McAllister wrote: > > > I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with > > using > > light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer > > layout > > for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to the > > mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our > > local > > tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about > > twice > > as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If you > > still > > chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control as > > they > > are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair > > > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On > > Behalf > > Of yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the > > inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If you > > were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the transformer > > you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing your > > neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic > > message. > > > > Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. > > It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it is > > slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. > > > > I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched > > from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the schematic > > to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: > > > >> On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by > >> using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I > >> plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a plus > >> and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would be > >> 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make for > >> a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. > >> > >> I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by > >> switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the > >> reversing mechanism. > >> > >> I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. > >> Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54364	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

The Reardon's wrote: > > > > Does anyone know how a dimmer would work on the output side of the > transformer? This way I could use the variable post for improved low > speed train operations, and the constant voltage post could remain at > full voltage for switchs, etc. > > Pat, In Maine Can't say for sure, but there is some circuitry in there driving the triac device, which would probably not have the voltage necessary. Also, the output side involves more current than the input, probably heat up and or fail sooner if it did work at all. I plan to use separate xformers, have picked up three so far from yard sales/Ebay/Craig's list, cheap. With dimmers controlling speed, the xformers can live anyplace out of sight, so cosmetics are not important. Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:49 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. > > Dave, years ago I went to a surplus store & bought 18 v transformers. I > then took a dimmer & wired the dimmer out put to the transformer input. > everything worked fine. > Rhett who is on this list advised me, that the wave form coming out of > the transformer, would have a chopped or square sine wave. This would > not be > noticed by the motors. Mike in Ore > > In a message dated 5/9/2009 1:58:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > davidwin@... <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net> writes: > > Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: George Cohn > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > I assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by > switching > > my DC polarity, can control direction > > without use of the reversing mechanism. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response ---- > > No, your AF loco will run just fine on DC, but the reversing will be just > > like it was on AC, by turning track power off & on. But you can achieve > > DC-type direction control, just like they do in model railroading, by > > disconnecting the "e-unit" and replacing it with a bridge rectifier. > > Whether you wire the field and the commutator in series or parallel, I > > forget. Both will run, but one much better than the other. ¿Anybody > know? > > > > There was a diagram on this in an old S Gauge Herald, which I can't put > my > > hand on right now. If it could be found, it ought to be copied and put in > > this group's files. > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > Yes everything is making sense. If field is wired to always > see juice one way, via the bridge, regardless of the track > polarity, while the commutator get juice from the tracks, > I'll get the reversing I want. Or I can upgrade to a can > motor, and I can mix them. No need for DCC. > > I'm still wondering about driving the xformers with dimmers, > a nice cheap solution. I can hang a small value cap across > input and outputs to suppress that spike maybe, at least > clamp down the noise up in the radio frequencies. > > Thanks to all, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54365	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade

Strictly in the eye of the beholder, IMHO. The average visitor probably wouldn¹t notice the difference. Roy Inman on 5/9/09 8:55 PM, wisner_mark at wisner_mark@... wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the info on the differnet track types. > I have pricing for SHS track. Will check out American S Gauge. > When building a AF layout does it discount the perception of the layout if AF > track and turn outs are not used. > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54366	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track up grade

I'll go along with Roy on this. Only a fervent collector of Gilbert might object, but otherwise the better track tends to enhance the look of the Flyer trains. Could you pass SHS sectional off as "AF with rubber roadbed"? Probably not! It's WAY better looking. Gee, I wonder what Pikemaster tie strips with the better regular Flyer rails and rubber roadbed would have looked like? Better, but still far from SHS track! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54367	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines

This is all very interesting and informative, but perhaps I've overlooked something in the discussion. If so, please forgive my question... Why not put a DC can motor from SnS Trains in the loco, remove the e-unit and play trains on straight DC from an MRC 6200 power pack? Seems much simpler to me... Stumpy Stone...simple in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54368	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/10/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54369	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Hot Atlantic?

I thought I should revisit this for posterity, in case anyone is searching this problem some day. I sent it to my repairman, and here's what he figured out: "The armature and the field coil are both fine, but somewhere in its lifetime, it was rewired and they crossed wires and had the brushes and field wired in parallel instead of series. This is what made it run so damned slow and so incredibly hot! You should be much happier with its performance now. It virtually flies off the track at full throttle." --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Perks" <mkperks@...> wrote: > > Here's a question: does anyone have a suggestion as to what could be > making my 21160 Atlantic run hot? It is gradually melting a hole above > the magnet and is very hot to the touch. Is this a problem anyone has > dealt with? > Thank you very much. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54370	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY

A transformer is a bi-directional device. In telephone circuitry, stereos and a wide variety of electronic applications, transformers are used to impedance match from one circuit to another. I have used transformers to match 1500 ohm circuitry to 600 ohm circuitry and vice versa - same transformer just the signal source is on the other side. As a child first playing with trains I found I could make my European transformer/power pack function by feeding the 18 VAC from a Flyer transformer into the accessory AC output of the power pack. The DC came out the train control output and ran the Swiss model. I was very surprized when I leaned on the round pin plug and got zapped with 220 volts - the 18 volt input was being stepped up to 220 by the transformer. (the normal output was acting as a primary and producing and output on the primary that was a function of the source to the secondary). Nothing in a transformer structure limits the coil 1 coupling to coil 2 as a one way function. We designate the windings as primary and secondary for our convenience in describing the function of the transformer in the circuit. Back to physics - just as voltage is coupled from one coil to the other, the elements of the circuits on either side are coupled as well - otherwise adding load to one side of the transformer would not add load to the other and we could power things with nothing connected to the primary. Try it. Take the output of a Flyer transformer (100 Watt rated) couple it to the output of another Flyer transformer (not plugged in to the wall - and also 100 Watt rated) and connect to the plug of the second transformer a 120 V light bulb (less than 100 Watt rating). Plug in transformer #1 and the bulb will light. Secondary of transformer #2 has become the primary and the light bulb load will appear at the 120 V side of transformer #1 just as if you connected the light bulb to the 120 VAC in the first place (increased by the inefficiencies of the transformers).   From your experience at the power company - remember there are capacitor banks located on top of some of the power poles. Capacitors are added into the lines to compensate for the inherent capacitor effect in the transformers and the power lines. If the transformers were not reflecting the capacity effect, these balancing capacitors would not be needed to balance the phasing in the system.   In power system design, the impedances in the system are generally very low and can be ignored. All of the design considerations are simplified and make it easier for everyone to build and maintain the system. However, the impedance transfer effects are still there and when the engineering issues are at the end of the line, they have to be included in the designs. Think the phase shifting capacitor in the starter circuitry for your heat pump/air conditioner compressor and the one in the starter for the air handler in the system. Without the impedance/inductance effect of the motor being fed back into the power line, these capacitors would not be needed. --- On Sat, 5/9/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:42 PM I really can't buy that the secondary is the input & the primary, the output. I worked in So Cal. Edison's transformer repair division for quite awhile. See Below A transformer is a device that transfers _electrical energy_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Electrical_ energy) from one _circuit_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Electrical_ network) to another through _inductively coupled_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Inductive_ coupling) conductors — the transformer' s coils or "windings". Except for _air-core_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Transformer# Cores) transformers, the conductors are commonly wound around a single iron-rich core, or around separate but magnetically- coupled cores. A varying _current_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Electric_ current) in the first or "primary" winding creates a varying _magnetic field_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Magnetic_ field) in the core (or cores) of the transformer. This varying magnetic field _induces_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Electromagnetic_ induction) a varying _electromotive force (EMF)_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Electromotive_ force) or "_voltage_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Volt) " in the "secondary" winding. This effect is called _mutual induction_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mutual_induction) . If a _load_ (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Electrical_ load) is connected to the secondary, an electric current will flow in the secondary winding and electrical energy will flow from the primary circuit through the transformer to the load. In an ideal transformer, the induced voltage in the secondary winding (VS) is in proportion to the primary voltage (VP), and is given by the ratio of the number of turns in the secondary to the number of turns in the primary as follows: ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54371	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Track up grade

Stumpy wrote, "It is the lowest code rail which will run both Hi-rail and Scale wheels," I think it should be pointed out that we need to talk about 3 different types of wheels - Flyer, Hi-rail and scale. Flyer has very different track requirements than either Hi-rail or scale and this is what has made open frog turnout compatibility a problem in the past. SHS rail will indeed run all 3 wheel styles without a problem. Their flex track is very flexible and easy to work with plus it looks great. There is a short video on my web site comparing the 3 different wheel types. The differences in wheel profile - especially the flanges - are quite a bit. The videos are here <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/video/VideoTTT.html> I know this comes up from time to time, but I think it would help S gauge in general if we could agree on some common definition of what is meant by Flyer, Hi-rail or scale. In a recent post someone wrote "Flyer Hi-rail track". To me, that makes it sound like Flyer and Hi-rail are the same thing. Am I missing something here? Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54372	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines

Stumpy is "On To Something" here. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/10/2009 9:21:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: This is all very interesting and informative, but perhaps I've overlooked something in the discussion. If so, please forgive my question... Why not put a DC can motor from SnS Trains in the loco, remove the e-unit and play trains on straight DC from an MRC 6200 power pack? Seems much simpler to me... Stumpy Stone...simple in Appalachia. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54373	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Using DC

You mirror my thoughts exactly, Stumpy. That's the power pack I use too. Steve In a message dated 05/10/2009 8:21:20 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: This is all very interesting and informative, but perhaps I've overlooked something in the discussion. If so, please forgive my question... Why not put a DC can motor from SnS Trains in the loco, remove the e-unit and play trains on straight DC from an MRC 6200 power pack? Seems much simpler to me... Stumpy Stone...simple in Appalachia. **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=M ay51009AvgfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54374	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY

anormal1@... wrote: > > > > I really can't buy that the secondary is the input & the primary, the > output. You should, because both are simply windings of wire, and the expected usage is the only thing that denotes primary and secondary.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54375	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

I know I am late to this thread, but I had one question. Has anyone used LEDS on your basic #646 floodlight car? How did it work? Is it a lot brighter? Would you keep the existing bulb socket or wire it directly? Seems like the Evan Design Universal LEDs look like a good product. Last Christmas, my idea was to run an AF train around an old 1960s aluminum tree (remember them?) and have red and green floodlight cars light up the tree. Much better in theory than in practice - they weren't really bright enough to light it up much. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Asp" <larry.asp@...> wrote: > > After reading some discussion on the group about LEDs, I would like ask some questions. It seems to me LEDs would have easy application in rolling stock ...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54376	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > > This is all very interesting and informative, but perhaps I've > overlooked something in the discussion. If so, please forgive my question... > Why not put a DC can motor from SnS Trains in the loco, remove the > e-unit and play trains on straight DC from an MRC 6200 power pack? > Seems much simpler to me... > Stumpy Stone...simple in Appalachia. Well I have 4 engines now, will have 3 or maybe 4 independent loops on the RR. Converting 4 engines and buying three power packs would get pretty expensive. Dave, getting simpler all the time in the free state of NH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54377	From: preardon4girls	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: X-mas Car

Hi All, I'm looking for a S-Helper, Maine Central, Xmas Caboose. Does anyone know where I might find one for sale? I've been tracking Ebay and have checked with all (I think) the online S stores (Portlines, etc.). Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Pat, In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54378	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade

This is just one opinion because I know of lot of the guys on this yahoo group will disagree with me. But to me the use of Flyer track and/or switches discounts the quality, if not the value, of the layout. A grew up with AF track and switches and loved them. But the switches were always one of the two biggest weaknesses of American Flyer, causing lots of derailments. (The other big weakness was the reverse units which had to be repaired so often). Simply put, there are much better looking and better performing track systems right now. I recommend you consider SHS, AM, or ASG. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 5/9/2009 9:27:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wisner_mark@... writes: Thanks for the info on the differnet track types. I have pricing for SHS track. Will check out American S Gauge. When building a AF layout does it discount the perception of the layout if AF track and turn outs are not used. **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=M ay51009AvgfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54379	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Need some help

It will be a while.  I do not have a digital camera,  but maybe some one else can get you one.  --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> wrote: From: Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Need some help To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 10:17 PM Would anyone out there be willing to send me a photo of a 375 T&P GP-7 with the shell off? I am trying to restore a 375 where someone pretty much gutted out the chassis. I'd like to see how things are laid out under the shell, especially the speaker. Any help on this would truly be appreciated. Thank you...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54380	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Dave, My response is: You missed the point. There are reasons that the FCC limiits emissions from electronic devices. The regulations require class B for home use and that is very stringent. You are insisting on putting information on the Web without even testing to see if your implementation's' are within acceptable emissions. Test, test, test then become the expert. Check out www.hdatechnology.com On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:53 PM , Dave Winslow wrote: > yabo1@... wrote: >> >> >> >> Dave, >> >> The dimmer is designed to work with an Incandescant load, basically a >> resistor. They are not designed to work with an inductive load. > > It may be intended for incandescent loads, but I think it is just a > triac with triggering circuitry, so it will do what it does regardless > of the load, within reason. I assume as long as the current drawn is > not enough to heat it up, and ordinary xforers are only a couple > hundred watts, it should work ok. That also agrees with the actual > experiences of several people who have responded. Thanks, Dave > > >> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM , Alistair McAllister wrote: >> >>> I am a little tired of hearing the doom and gloom associated with >>> using >>> light dimmers. I have been using light dimmer controls on my Flyer >>> layout >>> for 5 years on all my old Flyer locos with absolutely no damage to >>> the >>> mechanisms and much better control down to really slow speeds. Our >>> local >>> tinplate club has been using them on our exhibition layout for about >>> twice >>> as long. The gap between theory and reality is sometimes huge. If >>> you >>> still >>> chose to worry about the theory use an overhead fan dimmer control >>> as >>> they >>> are designed to compensate for an inductive load. Alistair >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] >> On >>> Behalf >>> Of yabo1@... <mailto:yabo1%40cox.net> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 AM >>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >>> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave, >>> >>> Do not do this. Pulsing the input of a transformer causes the >>> inductance of the transformer to produce large voltage spikes. If >>> you >>> were able to generate a 120 Volt square wave and drive the >>> transformer >>> you would find that your whole house would be on the air, causing >>> your >>> neighbors to be quite upset when they received your electronic >>> message. >>> >>> Yes, pulses do help sticky motors overcome the slow motion problems. >>> It is better to replace the old motors with modern can motors if it >>> is >>> slow speed operation you are trying to obtain. >>> >>> I have my layout driven by an AF transformer which can be switched >>> from AC to DC for my different engines. I am now drawing the >>> schematic >>> to include DCC thus can run any loco I want. >>> >>> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM , Dave Winslow wrote: >>> >>>> On my future RR, I am thinking I would like to power the tracks by >>>> using a dimmer on the inputs of each xformers, one per main loop (I >>>> plan on 2 or 3), diodes on the output, such that I would have a >>>> plus >>>> and minus voltage available. My thinking is that the output would >>>> be >>>> 60 thin pulses per second of a fairly high voltage and would make >>>> for >>>> a smoother slow speed operation then with a constant lower voltage. >>>> >>>> I am assume that I can run DC to my old AF AC engines, and then by >>>> switching my DC polarity, can control direction without use of the >>>> reversing mechanism. >>>> >>>> I would appreciate any ideas, problems, etc. anyone might think of. >>>> Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54381	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Guys, I can start a fire in my barbeque with gasoline. Should I? Driving a transformer with a light dimmer makes a lot of electrical noise and can cause overvoltage spike that can break down the insulation of loco transformer. Available power systems have been tested, and will not interfere with any of the electronic equipment in your house. To digress, put an AM radio in your train room. Turn it on to an unused station and turn the volume up. Run you train on standard AC then run it on the dimmer. Let me know what you hear. You have to try several locations on the dial. This as a poor mans RFI indicator. If you do not hear any more noise using the dimmer than with the standard AC from the transformer you are probably not on the air to any significant extent. Robert Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54382	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Need some help

Thanks, Mike. You're the first one to reply, so I'll be patient. I really appreciate your offer to help me out. If anybody else out there is willing to help, thanks in advance. Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54383	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

Just make sure to not try an Air Chime Whistle control - the radio will go nuts along with any "over the air" tv and probably a wireless router as well.   Good point here - when I get the train room set up, I'll do the dimmer trick and watch with the spectrum analyzer, but if the dimmer isn't causing a problem with the light bulb load and house wiring, it is unlikely to cause a problem with the step down function of the transformer.   Bill Drake

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54384	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS

I stand corrected. I thought we were talking about a step-down transformer, like the type we use to run our trains. Being a utility So Cal Edison, at least the transformer repair shop I worked in, only dealt with the step down type as on Power poles & Pad mount underground feeds. Mike in Ore (away from powered items)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54385	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Track Up Grade

I agree with Earl on the use of AF track. You have to remember, that track is a one time purchase as well as many things with trains, and you want something that looks good to you and performs the best. If you like the look and the way that AF track performs, so be it. And I do understand there is the affordability factor too. But with alot of other options now on the market, get some pieces of the other track to test and see. I was going to use AF track in 1994 or so, for my layout, but I never got to the layout until 2007. During this time, many other S track came on to the market. I went with ASG (www.classictrains.com) track and it is wonderful. I did not like the look of premolded ballast on the S Helper track, but that works for others. My layout will be featured in CTT next year, and one of the things the editor told me on the phone that impressed him about layout was not just the baseball field, but the track and the ballast, as he said the size of the ballast you use is very important. Too big of a ballast riuns the look. My layout is picture in the photo section under train table. Best to you with your project. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54386	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: RE;re Pulsing DC power to AF locos

Well, I have seventeen AF locos converted to DC can motors and two 6200 packs. It's reliable enough to have operated at train shows all day long for several years without problems. To me, this is cheaper and easier than the complex stuff y'all are talking about. But that's the beauty of model railroading...it's your railroad, do it your way. Stumpy Stone...using the KISS principle...Keep It Simple Stupid.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54387	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY

So, Bill, if I follow this logic forward....... Would it work if I were to find a transformer, to say,step down 110VAC to 55VAC and I was to wire this up to the Variable Output side of the Flyer transformer? I'm thinking my total output voltage should be cut in half at any setting on the thottle. Is this so? Pat, In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54388	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

yabo1@... wrote: > > > > Dave, > > My response is: You missed the point. There are reasons that the FCC > limiits emissions from electronic devices. The regulations require > class B for home use and that is very stringent. Sure, they don't want equipment filling up the radio waves with lots of interference. How does that apply to me, I'm not a manufacturer? I have no close neighbors. > You are insisting on > putting information on the Web without even testing to see if your > implementation's' are within acceptable emissions. I've put no information on the web, other than my intentions as a hobbyist. Lighten up! > Test, test, test > then become the expert. Check out www.hdatechnology.com I am only the expert in my hobby building, with my trains, electronic shop, musical instruments. On this list I ask questions of offer ideas only.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54389	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines

Actually not to all of us Jim. I love the trains to be original and experience the same delights and problems as the kids did when they were new. There are more like me. Whilst the dimmer power supply is not original everything else on the layout can be as it left the Gilbert or other factory. Also some of us are collectors as well as operators. If it has been "hot rodded" with a can motor it only fits in with one of those two categories. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WJJIM@... Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Pulsing DC to old AF engines Stumpy is "On To Something" here. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/10/2009 9:21:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net writes: This is all very interesting and informative, but perhaps I've overlooked something in the discussion. If so, please forgive my question... Why not put a DC can motor from SnS Trains in the loco, remove the e-unit and play trains on straight DC from an MRC 6200 power pack? Seems much simpler to me... Stumpy Stone...simple in Appalachia. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel. <http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlc ntustrav00000002> aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav0000000 2) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54390	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY

No you would have to wire the 55 volts to the 110 volt input side to get half voltage at the output (train) side. If you put the 55 volts into the 15 volt side you would get 55 divided by 15 then times 110 volts on the plug side and the insulation would probably break down. Don't try this at home.   Bill --- On Sun, 5/10/09, The Reardon's <preardon@...> wrote: From: The Reardon's <preardon@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: TRANSFORMERS PRIMARY VS SECONDARY To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:41 PM So, Bill, if I follow this logic forward..... .. Would it work if I were to find a transformer, to say,step down 110VAC to 55VAC and I was to wire this up to the Variable Output side of the Flyer transformer? I'm thinking my total output voltage should be cut in half at any setting on the thottle. Is this so? Pat, In Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54391	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

If your transformer is earthed you should not be on the air outside your own house. Are you also telling us that overhead fans with the now almost universal dimmer control are noise emitters on the radio waves too? With all the noise from computers, cell phones and digital radio and TV interference, any regulations are patently ignored by industry anyway! One of the reasons that the authorities are all trying to dump AM radio to save them having to police noise from the aforementioned appliances causing complaints! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yabo1@... Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Pulsing DC to old AF engines. Guys, I can start a fire in my barbeque with gasoline. Should I? Driving a transformer with a light dimmer makes a lot of electrical noise and can cause overvoltage spike that can break down the insulation of loco transformer. Available power systems have been tested, and will not interfere with any of the electronic equipment in your house. To digress, put an AM radio in your train room. Turn it on to an unused station and turn the volume up. Run you train on standard AC then run it on the dimmer. Let me know what you hear. You have to try several locations on the dial. This as a poor mans RFI indicator. If you do not hear any more noise using the dimmer than with the standard AC from the transformer you are probably not on the air to any significant extent. Robert Yablonski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54392	From: ken_5556	Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

This is the info on adding a bridge rectifier in a flyer loco. http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/SERIES-MOTOR-DC-CONVERSION.pdf Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54393	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Pulsing DC to old AF engines.

ken_5556 wrote: > > This is the info on adding a bridge rectifier in a flyer loco. > > http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/SERIES-MOTOR-DC-CONVERSION.pdf > <http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/SERIES-MOTOR-DC-CONVERSION.pdf> > > Ken Thanks Ken.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54394	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: TCA Show - New Braunfels TX

Train Collectors Association, Lone Star Division - 35th Annual Train Meet *Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:30 AM - 4 PM* Open To The Public New Braunfels Civic Center 380 S. Seguin New Braunfels, Texas Admission: Adults $6.00 / Family $9.00 There will be large train layouts, “Hands On” clinics on how to clean and lubricate your steam or diesel locomotives and how to install and operate the MTH Digital Control System (DCS). There will be an extensive amount model railroad items for sale. There will be items for the collector and operator and most gauges will be presented. Come see unique train items on exhibit by Train Collector Association (TCA) members. There will be Door Prizes, a Silent Auction, a Raffle, a unique Engine Race track Derby and Great Refreshments. What a wonderful way to spend the day. Come visit us. For information on this meet or on joining the local chapter of TCA contact: Frank Hamadock (210)945-9623 or Pat Halpin (210)661-4238. --- Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54395	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Pulsing DC to old AF engines

PVMR is using A/F 18B's for power, with a simple switch box that can control A/C, D/C and has a 'reversing switch". Next our guru, Dave Peirce, plans to make it easier to connect DCC, TMCC & LocoMatic controllers into the mix. The ONLY disadvantage with the 18B's is the starting voltage of 7 volts, good D/C motors are off and running on that. We control that with the "center off" feature of the reversing switch. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/10/2009 6:42:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidwin@... writes: Well I have 4 engines now, will have 3 or maybe 4 independent loops on the RR. Converting 4 engines and buying three power packs would get pretty expensive. Dave, getting simpler all the time in the free state of NH. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54396	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: X-mas Car

Dear Pat, It may help, but we still have the figures and made three runs of MEC cars, not all of the same paint scheme but still MEC. So, if you can find a non-Christmas MEC car, we can sell you the missing Mr. and Mrs. Claus... Don On May 10, 2009, at 2:22 PM, preardon4girls wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I'm looking for a S-Helper, Maine Central, Xmas Caboose. Does anyone > know where I might find one for sale? I've been tracking Ebay and > have checked with all (I think) the online S stores (Portlines, > etc.). Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Pat, In Maine > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54397	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Train Meet May 16th and 17th Allentown Pa

Hello All, Just wanted to let you know there is a Train meet this weekend, The Great Lehigh Valley Train Meet at Merchants Sqaure Mall Saturday and Sunday. You can visit http://www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com for more info. Hope to see you there. Kevin R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54398	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Fw: Latest Corn.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1631278107/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=241&count=20&dir=asc Latest Photos. Corn is down, as I need to order one more unit of corn when I order some more things from Scenic Express. I do need to add more dirt to cover up the base of the corn. I think it came out very well. Eduardo "Mosquito" Rodriquez is lost in the corn, as he was coming back from the Frosty Bar to S Helper Field. I think he will be lost there forever, frozen in time. A new sponsor has been added to the wall, WPLA Radio, 1390 on the AM dial, no FM, has signed up. Charlie and Dave will broadcast all the games of the D&K RR Pinheads on 1390. However, night games might be a problem, as after dusk, the signal goes BZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! just like with the Nationals on 1500 AM WTOP. And a Black Cat is running from 3rd to 2nd base as this is the cat from September 1969 when he last made a appearance at a Cubs, Mets game, causing the Cubs to lose the division to the Mets. (Only two divisions at that time). I have to adjust the first base side lights, a bit, as I had them down, due to work. And out of the sky, the grandstands appear in the mail today, in S scale. It's a Miracle, just the Amazing 69 Mets. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54399	From: Jim King	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: S scale B&O wagontop box - taking reservations

I'm starting CAD work next week on the HO and S scale B&O wagontop M53 boxcar. The S will follow the HO version by a couple weeks. Now's the time to take an updated reservation count for this car. Please contact me off list with your reservation total based on an $80 retail price. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54400	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Need Help with LEDs

Hi Gang, I am rehabbing a 293. I have repainted the loco shell and it looks great. I am adding a slow speed SnS motor and I want to install a bright LED as the headlight. This unit will be running on DC. So my question is... how do I wire up the LED since the polarity changes when the engine is reversed or if the direction of the engine changes as it is placed on the track? I want the headlight to be on all the time regardless if is going forward or reverse. I'm guessing I need to build some type of circuit but I can't seem to find anything to help me out online. I know about adding the resistors to the LED but that is about it... Thanks for any help you can give. Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54401	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Need Help with LEDs

Manderman@... wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I am rehabbing a 293. I have repainted the loco shell and it looks > great. I am adding a slow speed SnS motor and I want to install a bright > LED as the headlight. This unit will be running on DC. So my question > is... how do I wire up the LED since the polarity changes when the > engine is reversed or if the direction of the engine changes as it is > placed on the track? I want the headlight to be on all the time > regardless if is going forward or reverse. Use a small 4 legged bridge rectifier. The ~ and ~ (or AC) leads go to the track pickup side and the + and - sides go to the LED with the + going to the + leg of the LED and the - leg going to the - side of the LED. Use an appropriate resistor on either the + or - side. The bridge acts as a steering device, routing the + and - to the proper side no matter which leg of the ~ and ~ sides are + and -. The smalled bridge rectifier you can find will work because the LED draws so little current. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54402	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Re: Need Help with LEDs

Thanks George, That is much simpler than I thought it would be. I never thought of using a bridge rectifier in a DC circuit I have only used them to convert the AC to DC. That's why I'm a photographer and not an electrical engineer. That is also why we have this great group. Thanks again. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cohn" <gwcohn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:52:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need Help with LEDs Manderman@... wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I am rehabbing a 293. I have repainted the loco shell and it looks > great. I am adding a slow speed SnS motor and I want to install a bright > LED as the headlight. This unit will be running on DC. So my question > is... how do I wire up the LED since the polarity changes when the > engine is reversed or if the direction of the engine changes as it is > placed on the track? I want the headlight to be on all the time > regardless if is going forward or reverse. Use a small 4 legged bridge rectifier. The ~ and ~ (or AC) leads go to the track pickup side and the + and - sides go to the LED with the + going to the + leg of the LED and the - leg going to the - side of the LED. Use an appropriate resistor on either the + or - side. The bridge acts as a steering device, routing the + and - to the proper side no matter which leg of the ~ and ~ sides are + and -. The smalled bridge rectifier you can find will work because the LED draws so little current. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54403	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 5/12/2009
Subject: Help With LEDs

On Carl Tuveson's excellent website under "Hints and Tips" you will find a pdf file on "LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT" for AF engines. http://www.tuveson.com/ Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54404	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: How do you 're-shape' AF track ends so pins fit snug?

Hi Dave, Sorry it took me a while to respond to your question, but my wife and I just came back from a great Spring motor tour of the Michigan shore of Lake Huron. Nice weather and saw some railroad things much to the chagrin of my wife! Sorry to say, there's no track shaper for Flyer track like there is for Lionel track. Anyway, here's what I do for making Flyer track sections fit better: CAREFULLY use a pair of Vise-Grip style pliers and adjust the closed jaws on the top of the rail making sure you don't pinch the rail head at this time; then open the jaws and turn the adjusting screw in the handle about a sixteenth of a turn and close the jaws again. This should close the opening a few thousandths of an inch. Try fitting the adjacent track into the section, and if too loose, repeat the procedure. If you mess up and pinch the rail head too much, use a spare track pin to open up the rail head opening by tapping the pin in with a small hammer. If you feel you might mess up to badly, practice the whole thing on a scrap piece of track (perhaps on that was too rusty to salvage). I've used this procedure to make the Flyer track as electrically and mechanically sound as I can, and I've seen very little electrical loss over many sections. If you have any further questions, contact me off list, and above all, have fun! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar 2010 Dearborn S Spree --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zdava" <zdava@...> wrote: > > I have some used AF track where pin openings at each end of the track are not tight. You can tell that the track was taken apart and put together many times, loosening the pin openings. Is there a rail 'shaper' for AF track, kind of like the Lionel pliers that re-shape the rail? > > Any ideas appreciated. > > Dave >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54405	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: lay out book sought

Hello Friends, About a month ago, Mike in glorious Park City, asked about a track plan book that he remembered seeing in the '70s. His description sounded familiar, but I was in South Carolina at the time, and my all my train stuff was back in Oregon. I have not seen where his question has been definitively answered on the list, so I thought I would take a crack at it. Although we have been back home for over a week now, I just now got a chance to dig down into the depths of my "train room" (Read "storage room".) to find my stack of old track planning books. The one that I found that I remembered is called "Track Plans for Sectional Track" by Linn Westcott. It was published in 1956 and 1960 by Kalmbach. It has 144 track plans with the odd numbered plans for Lionel, Marx, etc and the even numbered plans for S and HO. This reflects the different amount of curved pieces needed to make a circle. Most of the plans have no scenery at all, some have a few simple line drawings lightly drawn on the plan. A table in the back lists the track pieces needed and the size of the layout in each gauge: O-27, O, S and HO. I always liked this old book because I was setting up AF layouts on the floor, and, other than the AF layout books and catalogs, it was the only track plan book I had that spoke directly to AF S gauge. I have seen many copies of this long time standard reference book at train shows, shops and libraries for years so it may still be fairly easy to find and not expensive, but I have had my copy for so long, I really haven't paid attention to its price and availability lately. Anyway, Mike, if you are not familiar with this venerable old volume, it might be worth a look. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] lay out book sought back in the 1970's I remember seeing a book with different layouts showing just track no scenery. and it had what track you needed if you wante S ( that is us hear ) and 0 an d H0. But I have not seen it lately. I say it in the library and checking libraries I go to I am coming up with nothing. Any one recall such a book. not sure Carstens of Kalmbach but it is not ont the web site I checked. any assistance appreciated Mike in glorous Park City [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54406	From: teeb_1	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Help With LEDs

An updated version of the file at Tuveson's site is posted here in the Files section ... look for the file titled LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT II.pdf. It includes both single and dual LED options as well as a couple of mounting alternatives. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54408	From: zdava	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Video here - my new classic AF layout

So far, I just have 1 loop. Will keep you posted on further progress. Question....after 10 minutes of running, the diesel begins to slow down. This is an AF diesel from the late 50's. I've oil it, etc. Any ideas why this happens? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Gjbrz1vfc Dave from Atlanta

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54409	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout

Well the motor heats up after 10 minutes of running and is not as efficient so it slows down a bit normally. How hot is it? Warm is ok, hot means you have some mechanical issues. Notice how it speeds back up at the track feeder. So you are losing some voltage in the track junctions too as they warm up. Try adding another feeder. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zdava Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Video here - my new classic AF layout So far, I just have 1 loop. Will keep you posted on further progress. Question....after 10 minutes of running, the diesel begins to slow down. This is an AF diesel from the late 50's. I've oil it, etc. Any ideas why this happens? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Gjbrz1vfc Dave from Atlanta ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54410	From: John Sage	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout

Dave,   No experience with AF Diesel's but, it does sound like a motor warming up and maybe some windings are shorting??  Does it smell hot?   John in French Lick --- On Wed, 5/13/09, zdava <zdava@...> wrote: From: zdava <zdava@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Video here - my new classic AF layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 1:33 PM So far, I just have 1 loop. Will keep you posted on further progress. Question.... after 10 minutes of running, the diesel begins to slow down. This is an AF diesel from the late 50's. I've oil it, etc. Any ideas why this happens? http://www.youtube com/watch? v=O7Gjbrz1vfc Dave from Atlanta [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54411	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout

Yes like all Gilbert Diesels, Yours is in need of new axle bushings & maybe gears & if the field & armature have heat dammage they too might need replaced . Could be that a S&S can motor & bushing job is needed

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54412	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: X-mas Car

Hi Pat I have one of the Xmas cabooses in stock as well as an Xmas engine and a couple of different Xmas cars from past years. Contact me off list if you have an interest. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54413	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout

Wow, look at this plug for us, Dude In a message dated 05/13/2009 1:16:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ronnat@... writes: Yes like all Gilbert Diesels, Yours is in need of new axle bushings & maybe gears & if the field & armature have heat dammage they too might need replaced . Could be that a S&S can motor & bushing job is needed **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54414	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: News Bulletin

News Bulletin. After sending back my O scale Grandstands on March 5, the S scale grandstands arrived yesterday, like a miracle out of the sky, as I thought it was not to be. The grandstands are laser cut and are really nice. Should be real easy to assemble, after I get some Pollyscale Aluminum paint for it. I also got some hand made chain link fence for models coming in next week. That was a surprise to find, as that will be for the backstop. The fence is 2 inches high, perfect, as that will be about 10.5 feet high. The back of the backstop will be 4 inches, 20 ft, with two wings of fence, at a 45 degree angle of 2 inches for 10 feet. I have S scale poles already thanks to BG1 (Dave) with the right size plastic rod. I have a few more signs that I will be printing out for the wall. Then the baseball field will be done, except for benches for the players, as that will be pretty easy to do. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54415	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Freshness Seal

I am so glad that the dirt I used on the corn field was sealed for freshness out of the container. O:)! Actually, those shaker jars that Woodland and others use, are actually food service spice containers for foodservice operations in restaurants, schools, hospitals, etc. But it is nice to know that they used the freshness seal with the container, not just to keep the product in the jar, incase a lid comes off, but for freshness. O:)! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54416	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: X-mas Car

Hi Howard Sheffield, Tell me how to contact you "off list". I am interested. Pat, In Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:X-mas Car Hi Pat I have one of the Xmas cabooses in stock as well as an Xmas engine and a couple of different Xmas cars from past years. Contact me off list if you have an interest. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54417	From: teeb_1	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Help With LEDs

I should have added that the referenced file depicts LED wiring with the stock AC power, but it may provide some mounting ideas. I've also used an SnS motor, but still ran AC to the smoke box and headlight. A schematic is filed in the Files section, in the Folder titled 314AW Whistle in Tender, filename is 314AW Can Mtr - Dallee Rvrs.jpg . Again, perhaps something to prompt thinking about more alternatives. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54418	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout

Nice video, but no idea about it slowing down., but I could guess.  Let's see if some one else has an idea.       Is there a smell also.  You oiled  and greeced ever  year at least. --- On Wed, 5/13/09, zdava <zdava@...> wrote: From: zdava <zdava@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Video here - my new classic AF layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:33 PM So far, I just have 1 loop. Will keep you posted on further progress. Question.... after 10 minutes of running, the diesel begins to slow down. This is an AF diesel from the late 50's. I've oil it, etc. Any ideas why this happens? http://www.youtube com/watch? v=O7Gjbrz1vfc Dave from Atlanta [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54419	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: S Scale B&O Wagontop Kit - Smokey Mountain Model Works: Reservations

Passing along the following information previously available to S scale lists. One item of initial discussion on the S scale lists was which door to use. Comments on that subject are welcome. Paul Schilling **************************************************************************** ******************************************** Smokey Mountain Model Works (_http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/_ (http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/) ) has just announced that it is now taking reservations for its S scale B&O wagontop box car kit. Since the project has started, payment in full is required. $80 each + $7 shipping up to 3 cars, $10 after that. Creco and Youngstown doors will be in the kit. SHelperService trucks will not be included. However, SMMW plans to offer an ASF/Bett 50-ton truck that will work. Purchasers can use SHS’ if available or buy SMMW's separately. Purchasers can send PayPal payment ($87 including shipping) to SMMW email address or a check/money order to the street address. **************************************************************************** ************************************************ **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54420	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Video here - my new classic AF layout

Gilbert AF Geeps and PA's usually wam up and run faster after about 5-10 minutes than they do starting off cold from the shelf. That is unless the axle holes are worn too much, or the field isn't properly centered on the armature, the brushes are worn irregularly, the commutators have oil/grease on them, the gaps between the comms are filled up with too much carbon build-up (creating a partal bridge or short between comms), or it simply lacks proper lubrication. As much as I like to run an ACG AF Geep or PA in fine tune, they can be cantancerous and fussy to keep that way. Take the T&P Geep that I bought at York. Nearly zero axle hole wear, but the brushes were worn badly, and reverse fingers were worn through. From the "$2.50" written in pencil on the bottom of the chassis, I think this engine was run, and run, and run until someone replaced the chassis with a brand new Gilbert diesel chassis. From then on I don't think it was ever run again. I don't have the heart to run it now, so I replaced the brushes, and replaced the reverse unit fingers, and swapped out the "mint" Gilbert chassis with a Lionel chassis. That way I can replace axle bearings when they wear out and pop the original Gilbert chassis back in should I ever sell it to some that requires "all original". Gilbert diesels start consuming themselves with the first lap around your layout. Even when lubed properly it's not a matter of if, but when you'll need your chassis rebushed or replaced. All my ACG Geeps, EP5, and PA's run on Flyonel diesel chassis. Too much wear eventually? Pop out the old bushings and pop in some new. BTW, by far the best grease to use on these is Lubriplate 630-AA. That on the worm gear at each end and the main drive gear on each axle plus some about the axles where they pass through the chassis, along with LaBelle 108 light oil on the oil wicks, and 107 Medium oil on the armature bearings (keep it off the commutators near the one bearing), and they live up to their name - - American FLYER - especially around curves. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54421	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Insurance renewal

I just got my collectable insurance renewal in the mail today, as not only do they insure my trains, but my baseball cards, US Coins and now clarinet, a professional model from Paris France. But I notice their slogan on the envelope, as this must be new. "Insuring today's treasures from tomorrow's tragedy" That includes pet sitters who drop Rath Reefer cars. Pet sitters are a tragedy! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54422	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Track Layout Options.

Need a recomendation - were can I find track layouts . I need overall size and Bill of Materials, . I find it difficult to cross reference bill of materials from one track mfg to another I need to limit size to 5x9 feet.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54423	From: bkweidner	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > Need a recomendation - were can I find track layouts . > I need overall size and Bill of Materials, . I find it difficult to cross reference bill of materials from one track mfg to another I need to limit size to 5x9 feet. > I have a book with Flyer track plans in it will have to find it and post the title and Arthur. On a side note Lionels "disappearing train" layout might fit in a 5 x 9 with flyer track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54424	From: bkweidner	Date: 5/14/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > Need a recomendation - were can I find track layouts . > I need overall size and Bill of Materials, . I find it difficult to cross reference bill of materials from one track mfg to another I need to limit size to 5x9 feet. > The Book was called American Flyers layouts and operating instructions I think and was by Jeff Faust.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54425	From: michael prell	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.

Hi, Mark, Here's a suggestion. Try MyFlyerTrains.org MyFlyerTrains.Org - [Home] [Catalog Index] [Gilbert 1946 Catalog]  There's a two page spread at the bottom of the display. There might be something there of interest to you. Good luck. Mike    Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 5/14/09, bkweidner <weidner@...> wrote: From: bkweidner <weidner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Layout Options. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 PM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@ ...> wrote: > > Need a recomendation - were can I find track layouts . > I need overall size and Bill of Materials, . I find it difficult to cross reference bill of materials from one track mfg to another I need to limit size to 5x9 feet. > I have a book with Flyer track plans in it will have to find it and post the title and Arthur. On a side note Lionels "disappearing train" layout might fit in a 5 x 9 with flyer track. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54426	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.

The back of each of the AF instruction booklets have suggested layouts.   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 5/14/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Track Layout Options. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:26 PM Hi, Mark, Here's a suggestion. Try MyFlyerTrains. org MyFlyerTrains. Org - [Home] [Catalog Index] [Gilbert 1946 Catalog]  There's a two page spread at the bottom of the display. There might be something there of interest to you. Good luck. Mike    Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 5/14/09, bkweidner <weidner@ameritech. net> wrote: From: bkweidner <weidner@ameritech. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Layout Options. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:07 PM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@ ...> wrote: > > Need a recomendation - were can I find track layouts . > I need overall size and Bill of Materials, . I find it difficult to cross reference bill of materials from one track mfg to another I need to limit size to 5x9 feet. > I have a book with Flyer track plans in it will have to find it and post the title and Arthur. On a side note Lionels "disappearing train" layout might fit in a 5 x 9 with flyer track. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54427	From: trainnut2us	Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: Layout Plans

Try this link, scroll down to S, it has many plans including S track. http://www.thortrains.com/ jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54428	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: TrainMinder Question

Yesterday I moved all my old TrainTracker inventory to TrainMinder, and now I have a question. It appears the values are basically identical to what I moved over. Is there something I need to do yet, or has the economy just evened everything out? Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54429	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Folks, I have a puzzle to solve here. This 342 (stamped 1952) ran very smoothly if maybe a bit too face and didn't make enough smoke. I opened it up to rewick the smoker. The whole chassis and wheels were coated in oil and grease. While the chassis was out of the shell it seemed like s good time to remove the siderods and clean them and the wheels before reassembly. The siderods and wheels are now clean but after reattaching them to the drivers it is now binding. The drivers were not removed and look to be in quarter. When it binds, if I give the front set of drivers just the tiniest turn, they unbind for a quarter turn, then bind again. Tweak the front drivers again and they will complete the revolution. Again, I did not remove or even regauge the drivers. ANd it was perfectly smooth before cleaning. Has anyone encountered a similar problem after just cleaning? Maybe I should have left it greasy. Thanks. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54430	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Did you switch the side rods? > > Folks, I have a puzzle to solve here. This 342 (stamped 1952) ran very smoothly if maybe a bit too face and didn't make enough smoke. I opened it up to rewick the smoker. The whole chassis and wheels were coated in oil and grease. While the chassis was out of the shell it seemed like s good time to remove the siderods and clean them and the wheels before reassembly. > > The siderods and wheels are now clean but after reattaching them to the drivers it is now binding. The drivers were not removed and look to be in quarter. When it binds, if I give the front set of drivers just the tiniest turn, they unbind for a quarter turn, then bind again. Tweak the front drivers again and they will complete the revolution. > > Again, I did not remove or even regauge the drivers. ANd it was perfectly smooth before cleaning. Has anyone encountered a similar problem after just cleaning? Maybe I should have left it greasy. > > Thanks. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54431	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

I was careful to keep the siderods on the same sides and even to return the screws to the same holes. Although the screws look like they are all the same. But I take back what I stated about being quartered correctly. If the right side alignment holes are top dead center, the left holes are just above the siderod. Not quite 90 degrees. But all four axles are quartered the same way. I hesitate to pull and try requartering the wheels without a quartering tool so maybe I'll try flipping the siderods just in case. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > Did you switch the side rods?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54432	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Check to make sure your crossheads aren't binding or bottoming out for some reason.  Doesn't make sense though if you're using all the same rods, etc.  Sure sounds more like a quartering issue of some kind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:40:20 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding Did you switch the side rods? > > Folks, I have a puzzle to solve here. This 342 (stamped 1952) ran very smoothly if maybe a bit too face and didn't make enough smoke. I opened it up to rewick the smoker. The whole chassis and wheels were coated in oil and grease. While the chassis was out of the shell it seemed like s good time to remove the siderods and clean them and the wheels before reassembly. > > The siderods and wheels are now clean but after reattaching them to the drivers it is now binding. The drivers were not removed and look to be in quarter. When it binds, if I give the front set of drivers just the tiniest turn, they unbind for a quarter turn, then bind again. Tweak the front drivers again and they will complete the revolution. > > Again, I did not remove or even regauge the drivers. ANd it was perfectly smooth before cleaning. Has anyone encountered a similar problem after just cleaning? Maybe I should have left it greasy. > > Thanks. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54433	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

I just tried switching the siderods and back with no difference. Still binding... actually locking until I give the front drivers a twist. The quartering is suspect in that when the right side alignment holes are top dead center, the left side holes are just above the siderods, so not quite at 90 degrees. All four axles are the same that way. But that raises the question, why did it run without binding before cleaning? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > Did you switch the side rods? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54434	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: TrainMinder Question

I'm surprised.  I did the same and have many values that are quite different.  I speculate that it's a coincidence.  Send a message to their help desk. --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] TrainMinder Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 5:32 AM Yesterday I moved all my old TrainTracker inventory to TrainMinder, and now I have a question. It appears the values are basically identical to what I moved over. Is there something I need to do yet, or has the economy just evened everything out? Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54435	From: afjerryk5	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: 0-8-0 binding

Check for a loose wheel,if there is a loose one,disassembly and cleaning may have shifted it slightly.Good luck. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54436	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Hi Tim, Did you make sure that the eccentric on the third set of wheels is oriented towards the center of the wheel, not towards the rim? Jerry been there...done that.... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Folks, I have a puzzle to solve here. This 342 (stamped 1952) ran very smoothly if maybe a bit too face and didn't make enough smoke. I opened it up to rewick the smoker. The whole chassis and wheels were coated in oil and grease. While the chassis was out of the shell it seemed like s good time to remove the siderods and clean them and the wheels before reassembly. > > The siderods and wheels are now clean but after reattaching them to the drivers it is now binding. The drivers were not removed and look to be in quarter. When it binds, if I give the front set of drivers just the tiniest turn, they unbind for a quarter turn, then bind again. Tweak the front drivers again and they will complete the revolution. > > Again, I did not remove or even regauge the drivers. ANd it was perfectly smooth before cleaning. Has anyone encountered a similar problem after just cleaning? Maybe I should have left it greasy. > > Thanks. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54437	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Jim, The chassis is out of the engine, so not a crosshead issue. Do you think the elongated holes have gotten too elongated? The front ones especially are very sloppy. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Check to make sure your crossheads aren't binding or bottoming out for some reason.  Doesn't make sense though if you're using all the same rods, etc.  Sure sounds more like a quartering issue of some kind. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54438	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

I would probably take it completely apart, pull out the worm, start with the chassis with the wheels, put on the side rods, first with the just the four end screws, and then just keep adding parts till the bind shows up. Even if the drivers are slightly out of quarter, as long and they match and the fact that it was OK to begin with, I don't think it would be a quarting problem. > > I just tried switching the siderods and back with no difference. Still binding... actually locking until I give the front drivers a twist. > > The quartering is suspect in that when the right side alignment holes are top dead center, the left side holes are just above the siderods, so not quite at 90 degrees. All four axles are the same that way. But that raises the question, why did it run without binding before cleaning? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@> wrote: > > > > Did you switch the side rods? > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54439	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

In fact, you do not want 90-degree quartering. Gilbert changed their factory quartering to 87-degrees about 1955, because it improved operation & reduced binding. The Gilbert quartering tools, which we have reproduced, are all set at 87-degrees, just as were the original factory tools. Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > > But I take back what I stated about being quartered correctly. If the right side alignment holes are top dead center, the left holes are just above the siderod. Not quite 90 degrees. But all four axles are quartered the same way. > > I hesitate to pull and try requartering the wheels without a quartering tool so maybe I'll try flipping the siderods just in case. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@> wrote: > > > > Did you switch the side rods? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54440	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Thanks guys. The quartering likely is not the issue. Maybe plain old wear is. When turning it with the motor by hand I notice a lot of play around the eccentric post. Maybe the rods are worn, maybe the posts or both. Because of this wear, when the right side rod comes over the top the post acts like a pivot and the motion of the rod is down on the front driver instead of forward as it should be. That results in a lockup. The rear rod hole (for the geared driver) probably has more play than it should also. Perhaps the old caked oil was keeping these a little tighter than they are now. It sure ws silky smooth before cleaning. Now to figure out a way to tighten these holes. The ultimate solution would be to replace the rods, crank posts and screws. But there must be a way to tighten them in the meantime. Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > In fact, you do not want 90-degree quartering. Gilbert changed their factory quartering to 87-degrees about 1955, because it improved operation & reduced binding.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54441	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Your quartering sound ok. The Gilbert manuals from the early 50's indicate 87.5 degrees works better than 90 degrees. - something to do with the toy train being powered from the rear set of wheels and electric motor versus the actual locomotive powered from the pistons.   Bill Drake --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:02 AM I just tried switching the siderods and back with no difference. Still binding... actually locking until I give the front drivers a twist. The quartering is suspect in that when the right side alignment holes are top dead center, the left side holes are just above the siderods, so not quite at 90 degrees. All four axles are the same that way. But that raises the question, why did it run without binding before cleaning? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@ ...> wrote: > > Did you switch the side rods? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54442	From: rfalzini	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.

I may have the Jeff Faust layout book. Let me know if track plans are still needed --- Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/17/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54444	From: Jim King	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Clarification of 2 B&O boxcars in resin

I've had 2 very pleasant email "chats" with Jettie Padgett regarding his recently displayed master body at the S Spree. His latest email is copied below with his permission. Note there are 3 very distinct differences between our respective products: 1. He's only making a few for friends and himself, 2. The car is of the earliest wagontop (probably the M15k) which does not compete with my M53 and, 3. It will be VERY late 2009 at the earliest before this car is available. I have sent the Pilot Sample out for the TEST SHOTS and have no photos available. This is the model of the very first versions of the B&O Wagon Top Box Cars. Doing what we had here in the AUTO CAD for several years. First plans, several years ago, was to run these in imported brass models from the builders in Korea who made my SWM Models. BUT, I reached 65 and shut that down "JUST as I promised my wife I would do." Some very close S Scale friends have know about this AUTO CAD data for many years and ask me to release it for production in RESIN CASTINGS. I agreed. They are running with the ball right now. Intentions are to produce models for our personal needs and make some extras for those who will desire them. We are not in any hurry and do not wish to cause anyone else doing this model any problems. Ours will be out later this year and will be limited in numbers. The model is at the casters now for TEST WORK UP. I will be glad to provide you much more data in the near future. Sorry I can't give you exact dates and a lot more data, but the fact is we are going very slowly as we build our 1:32 and our other S Models. Another email from Jettie: It was important to remind them that I have never jumped on someone else's project. Get yours done and ours will follow your efforts in S. Because I am "DEEPLY INVOLVED IN 1:32", there are no other scales that I ever intend to produce models in.....At 68, I am now too busy wiring MTH Locomotives for R/C Operation (2 Big Boys, 3 Challengers, 5 Hudsons, 2 full sets of NYC F-3's and one full set of AT&SF F-3's. The B&O Box Car is being done by Chris and he is back and forth to D.C. advising the current group of "CROOKS" residing up there on very timely high speed rail service. I sincerely wish you the very best and I look forward to getting several of your B&O Box Cars to complement my EM-1 trains...Best to you....S---Jettie Jettie appears to be focused on 1:32 scale much more than S but wanted to finish up what he started several years ago on the wagontop. Don't let this announcement deter you from reserving kits thru me. There will be plenty of time between offerings . enough to refill your modeling coffers (hopefully) and then support Jettie's project. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54445	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Gentlemen, Thank you one and all! It is fixed... with a hammer. Seriously, it needs new siderods, that's all. I noticed that the rod on the right side was worn more at the rear of the hole for the first wheel. Watching it as it bound, it looked like if the wheel was pushed forward just a little further when it went over the top it would be fine. So I put the rod on an anvil and using a hammer and pin punch closed the back of that hole up a little less than 1mm. Now it is nice and smooth again. That fix may last a day or a year... hard to say. So it is time to put together a parts order so it can be properly fixed. But in the meantime I can see how the smoke unit and LED lighting looks and how well the rectifiers slow down an original AC motor. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Your quartering sound ok. The Gilbert manuals from the early 50's indicate 87.5 degrees works better than 90 degrees. - something to do with the toy train being powered from the rear set of wheels and electric motor versus the actual locomotive powered from the pistons. >   > Bill Drake >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54446	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: Track Layout Options.

I will try to find the book from Jeff Faust, I purchased a AF operating booklet, it had some layouts. How to I cross ref. One track mfg track to another. Thanks for the info.. , > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54447	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

The quartering should not be 90 degrees. It is more like 88-89 degrees. In a message dated 05/16/2009 10:26:56 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, tim.benner@... writes: I was careful to keep the siderods on the same sides and even to return the screws to the same holes. Although the screws look like they are all the same. But I take back what I stated about being quartered correctly. If the right side alignment holes are top dead center, the left holes are just above the siderod. Not quite 90 degrees. But all four axles are quartered the same way. I hesitate to pull and try requartering the wheels without a quartering tool so maybe I'll try flipping the siderods just in case. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Ron Plyler" <ron_tallyho@ron> wrote: > > Did you switch the side rods? **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377005x1201454319/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51609NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54448	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: American flyer by lionel cars for sale

I bought a bunch of items and ended up with some spare items that I would like to sell. Let me know if you are interested, I can take paypal or mo or check. 1: 6-48358 Sante Fe Boxcar List $69 Sell for $40 .. 2: 6-48735 Burlington extended vision Caboose, List $60, Sell for $40 .. 3: 6-48063 Union Pacific Docksider engine List $110, Sell for $75 .. 4: 6-48740 M.o.W. Boom Car list $55, sell for $35 .. 5. 6-49037 M.o.W. Crane List $85, Sell for $60 ... 6. 6-49022 M.o.W searchlight car, list $75. Sell for $40 Buy All 3 maintenance of way cars and I will include shipping Shipping $5 for a car , $6 for the engine or crane. More than one we'll deal. Make me an offer, all are new in the box. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 New Email: eric@... (the old northline@C****** email is gone)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54449	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/16/2009
Subject: {S-Scale List} FOR SALE or TRADE: HEAVYWEIGHT PASSENGER CARS......

From the S-Scale List Edward Loizeaux [Loizeaux@...] One-of-a-kind model train available to the not-too-discerning modeler. Four cars in this train -- one baggage, one RPO, one combine and one observation. Baggage and RPO are 13" long. Combine and observation are 15-1/4" long -- give or take just a little bit. AF bodies and floors spliced for the longer cars. Kadee HO couplers installed, but can be removed. No trucks (already sold off). Tapped #6 threaded hole lets you mount trucks of your choice. Underbody detailing better than AF, but not fully up to today's standards. No air lines at all, but several tanks, battery boxes, cylinders, reservoirs, etc. Painted Pullman Green with gold New York Central lettering. Black roof and underbody. Sockets on bottom for recharging batteries used for interior lights. Just plug in a voltage source and recharge without taking anything apart. This was considered "high tech" in the late '60s. Many roof ribs added to clerestory roof. Ribs are made from thin styrene strips and a couple are missing. Strips/ribs could be glued back on easily and I will do it for you. Handrails on ends and sides where appropriate. While not much to brag about in these days of highly detailed injection molded plastic cars and exquisite imported brass models, they will exactly match any other AF cars you might be operating. Their length is longer (fact) and they are more impressive (opinion). Believe it or not, this entire train won the "Best in Class" award in the amateur category at the NASG annual convention in Chicago back in the mid-1970s. While the rivet-counting scale purist would scoff at this train, the average hi-rail enthusiast should find it quite acceptable. Easy to work on if you want to add details. The typical AF purist might not like it because it is not pure mint genuine ACGilbert. If you have a serious interest, let me know OFF LIST and I will take some photos and send them to you. Highest offer over $100 gets 'em. Could someone please forward this message on to the S-trains list since I do not follow AF conversations. Let me know of your interest and we will work something out. Thanks....Ed Loizeaux

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54450	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: TrainMinder values

Mike, I believe all my imports from TT3.09 were transferred at values TT 3.09 showed. Actually, I was glad to see this and Steve may have had a number of reasons to do this. Since train values can change over time, the way to get the current value of an item would be to click on the "look up like minder info" icon (the two people button at the top of the view holding screen) after you highlight the item you want to check on the current price. This value can continuously change as more collectors add prices (values) to the Trainminder server - thus values can continuously change. I guess you could edit this value into the item, but it would take a large amount of time with a large collection. I guess Steve may develop a program (add on) that you could run to do this, but I guess this would not be easy since there is not a fixed value in TM as there is in the TT data bases; totally different system and approach to train values The problem is that you don't have a current value of your total collection since it's based on the old imported data and the newly added items. Trainminder currently only has data bases for Lionel and American Flyer. I had at lease 10 other manufacturers in my TT 3.09. These were all imported into Trainminder for which TM does not have values for; it might have placed a $0 value for each item if the import process tried to assign current values (none) during transfer. When you add a new item to your collection, I believe TM picks up the current value based on the condition you selected. Ted Walton > >TrainMinder Question > > >Posted by: "Ruth A Leahy" <mailto:ruth.leahy@...?Subject= >Re%3ATrainMinder%20Question>ruth.leahy@... ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/hoops335>hoops335 > > >Sat May 16, 2009 7:36 am (PDT) > >Yesterday I moved all my old TrainTracker inventory to TrainMinder, >and now I have a question. It appears the values are basically >identical to what I moved over. Is there something I need to do yet, >or has the economy just evened everything out? >Thanks, >Mike Leahy >Boulder, CO ---------- ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2118 - Release Date: 05/16/09 17:05:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54451	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: TrainMinder values

Dear Ted, What databases does Train Minder allow one to import from? I have my inventory on an Access database. Could this be set up to import into Train Minder if I choose to move the data over? Tom Detmer Ted Walton wrote: > > > > > Mike, I believe all my imports from TT3.09 were transferred at values > TT 3.09 showed. Actually, I was glad to see this and Steve may have > had a number of reasons to do this. Since train values can change > over time, the way to get the current value of an item would be to > click on the "look up like minder info" icon (the two people button > at the top of the view holding screen) after you highlight the item > you want to check on the current price. This value can continuously > change as more collectors add prices (values) to the Trainminder > server - thus values can continuously change. I guess you could edit > this value into the item, but it would take a large amount of time > with a large collection. I guess Steve may develop a program (add on) > that you could run to do this, but I guess this would not be easy > since there is not a fixed value in TM as there is in the TT data > bases; totally different system and approach to train values > > The problem is that you don't have a current value of your total > collection since it's based on the old imported data and the newly > added items. > > Trainminder currently only has data bases for Lionel and American > Flyer. I had at lease 10 other manufacturers in my TT 3.09. These > were all imported into Trainminder for which TM does not have values > for; it might have placed a $0 value for each item if the import > process tried to assign current values (none) during transfer. > > When you add a new item to your collection, I believe TM picks up the > current value based on the condition you selected. > > Ted Walton > > > > >TrainMinder Question > > > > > >Posted by: "Ruth A Leahy" <mailto:ruth.leahy@... > <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu>?Subject= > >Re%3ATrainMinder%20Question>ruth.leahy@... > <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> > ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/hoops335 > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/hoops335>>hoops335 > > > > > >Sat May 16, 2009 7:36 am (PDT) > > > >Yesterday I moved all my old TrainTracker inventory to TrainMinder, > >and now I have a question. It appears the values are basically > >identical to what I moved over. Is there something I need to do yet, > >or has the economy just evened everything out? > >Thanks, > >Mike Leahy > >Boulder, CO > > ---------- > > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2118 - Release Date: > 05/16/09 17:05:00 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54452	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/17/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54453	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Plans

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> wrote: > >Jim Thanks. I saved the info to my favorites.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54454	From: Harold or Butch	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: >Hi I don't know if this will help. Check the motor for a bent shaft. I had a 0-6-0 that ran forward, but very roughly, and would move backwards about a inch and lockup. It turned out to be a bent shaft between the coils and the worm gear on the armature. I replaced it,and the the engine ran perfectly. Harold > Folks, I have a puzzle to solve here. This 342 (stamped 1952) ran very smoothly if maybe a bit too face and didn't make enough smoke. I opened it up to rewick the smoker. The whole chassis and wheels were coated in oil and grease. While the chassis was out of the shell it seemed like s good time to remove the siderods and clean them and the wheels before reassembly. > > The siderods and wheels are now clean but after reattaching them to the drivers it is now binding. The drivers were not removed and look to be in quarter. When it binds, if I give the front set of drivers just the tiniest turn, they unbind for a quarter turn, then bind again. Tweak the front drivers again and they will complete the revolution. > > Again, I did not remove or even regauge the drivers. ANd it was perfectly smooth before cleaning. Has anyone encountered a similar problem after just cleaning? Maybe I should have left it greasy. > > Thanks. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54455	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Tried taking the rods off and putting them back on the opposite side wheels? Sounds silly but. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harold or Butch Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: >Hi I don't know if this will help. Check the motor for a bent shaft. I had a 0-6-0 that ran forward, but very roughly, and would move backwards about a inch and lockup. It turned out to be a bent shaft between the coils and the worm gear on the armature. I replaced it,and the the engine ran perfectly. Harold > Folks, I have a puzzle to solve here. This 342 (stamped 1952) ran very smoothly if maybe a bit too face and didn't make enough smoke. I opened it up to rewick the smoker. The whole chassis and wheels were coated in oil and grease. While the chassis was out of the shell it seemed like s good time to remove the siderods and clean them and the wheels before reassembly. > > The siderods and wheels are now clean but after reattaching them to the drivers it is now binding. The drivers were not removed and look to be in quarter. When it binds, if I give the front set of drivers just the tiniest turn, they unbind for a quarter turn, then bind again. Tweak the front drivers again and they will complete the revolution. > > Again, I did not remove or even regauge the drivers. ANd it was perfectly smooth before cleaning. Has anyone encountered a similar problem after just cleaning? Maybe I should have left it greasy. > > Thanks. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54456	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding

Hi Make sure the ecc ranks are installed properly. I think; if the center wheel stud is at the top position the the ecc crank rivet should point down. Or the wheels could be slipping on the axel. Make sure the wheels are tight on the axel. Try to twist or slide off axel by hand. Keep them tight with super glue or bearing cement. Sometimes the wheels will slide in and out on the axel. Remove all motor parts; install connection rods and spin by hand. Then put on one piece of linkage at a time. Do not apply power, test assembly by hand. You should be able to observe what is binding Good luck Tom -----Original Message----- From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 8:45 am Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding Tried taking the rods off and putting them back on the opposite side wheels? Sounds silly but. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harold or Butch Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ACG 0-8-0 binding --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: >Hi I don't know if this will help. Check the motor for a bent shaft. I had a 0-6-0 that ran forward, but very roughly, and would move backwards about a inch and lockup. It turned out to be a bent shaft between the coils and the worm gear on the armature. I replaced it,and the the engine ran perfectly. Harold > Folks, I have a puzzle to solve here. This 342 (stamped 1952) ran very smoothly if maybe a bit too face and didn't make enough smoke. I opened it up to rewick the smoker. The whole chassis and wheels were coated in oil and grease. While the chassis was out of the shell it seemed like s good time to remove the siderods and clean them and the wheels before reassembly. > > The siderods and wheels are now clean but after reattaching them to the drivers it is now binding. The drivers were not removed and look to be in quarter. When it binds, if I give the front set of drivers just the tiniest turn, they unbind for a quarter turn, then bind again. Tweak the front drivers again and they will complete the revolution. > > Again, I did not remove or even regauge the drivers. ANd it was perfectly smooth before cleaning. Has anyone encountered a similar problem after just cleaning? Maybe I should have left it greasy. > > Thanks. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54457	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: TrainMinder values

I have attached below a copy of the message I received from TrainMinder. Appreciate the responses to my question about updating the values from TrainTracker. Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO "Dear Mike, When we released TrainMinder, we intentionally did not update the prices in people collections with the values from the Price Guide. We did this so we could assure that people's collections imported correctly from TrainTracker or MI Trains. We will be releasing (at no expense to you) a price update mechanism in the next few months or so that will allow you to apply all of the books prices to your current collection. You will receive this automatically when you start up TrainMinder."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54458	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Vehicular Fuzz...

Anyone know of a source for S police cars? I know, I could meander amongst all the die-cast sites on my Favorites list and, maybe, find one/some on my own. On the other hand, I know some guys on these lists keep meticulous track of emerging cars and trucks. Much easier to pick your brain than go through endless pages of die-cast vehicles. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54459	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Custom Vehicles...

I ran into this guy around ten-years-ago at a toy show in Glendale, AZ. All he does/deals with is custom 1:64 vehicles. Give his site a peek http://1-64thcustoms.com/indexconsole.htm Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54460	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Vehicular Fuzz...

Gerry, Here's what's on my die-cast inventory list for what it's worth: 1932 Ford coupe police car, Racing Champions Mint, 94720 1965 Ford Galaxie police car, Racing Champions Mint, 94700 1966 Chevy police car, Racing Champions, 76225 BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" <bestofshow@...> wrote: > > Anyone know of a source for S police cars? I know, I could meander amongst all the die-cast sites on my Favorites list and, maybe, find one/some on my own. On the other hand, I know some guys on these lists keep meticulous track of emerging cars and trucks. Much easier to pick your brain than go through endless pages of die-cast vehicles. > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54461	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: Vehicular Fuzz...

Gerry, go to www.classictrains.com and click S scale. Scroll down and they have all kinds of police cars for sale. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Vehicular Fuzz... Anyone know of a source for S police cars? I know, I could meander amongst all the die-cast sites on my Favorites list and, maybe, find one/some on my own. On the other hand, I know some guys on these lists keep meticulous track of emerging cars and trucks. Much easier to pick your brain than go through endless pages of die-cast vehicles. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54462	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Spring Issue Arrives!

I am very pleased (and relieved) to report that the Spring, 2009 issue arrived from the printer yesterday afternoon and it looks great! It will be in the mail this week. This is a good opportunity to remind subscribers to renew promptly if this is your last issue. A renewal notice will be included with your magazine. If you're not a subscriber, or you let your subscription lapse, you can sign back up quickly and easily. Visit the Website (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com) for details. A mailing with a special, limited-time offer is also being sent out, so watch for it. Attention advertisers: If you want to make changes to your ad copy, please get them to me ASAP. Work has already begun on the summer issue and although I'll be taking a few days off after the Spring issue has been delivered, I will be checking e-mail. There is still some ad space available in the Summer issue, including the inside back cover (color ad). Although the economy is still in rough shape, it is more important than ever to advertise and there are affordable options available. Contact me off-list to discuss. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54463	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away

Dear S-Scale.org Photo album users, This note pertains to the folks that have uploaded pictures to http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php It does not involve folks that have uploaded to the Yahoo S-Trains or Yahoo S-Scale (or other Yahoo sites) I have to inform you that the hackers are getting the upper hand, and I will be shutting down the photo gallery. I hope to keep the sites, although, I might move to a better host. (another reason to go with Google or similar BIG host) I don't plan on pulling the plug until you have all recovered your pictures. If you need assistance please contact me off list. I hope to do this in the next couple months, so please act now. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away

Bummer! THanks for the heads-up Paul! Rick On May 19, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Paul Yorke wrote: > Dear S-Scale.org Photo album users, > This note pertains to the folks that have uploaded pictures to > http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php > > It does not involve folks that have uploaded to the Yahoo S-Trains > or Yahoo > S-Scale (or other Yahoo sites) > > I have to inform you that the hackers are getting the upper hand, > and I will > be shutting down the photo gallery. > I hope to keep the sites, although, I might move to a better host. > (another > reason to go with Google or similar BIG host) > > I don't plan on pulling the plug until you have all recovered your > pictures. > If you need assistance please contact me off list. > > I hope to do this in the next couple months, so please act now. > > -- > Paul Yorke > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54465	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: Vehicular Fuzz...

Racing Champions had a GREAT series a few years ago. Cars from various years. Wish they would do it again. Rick. On May 18, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Gerry Evans wrote: > Anyone know of a source for S police cars? I know, I could > meander amongst all the die-cast sites on my Favorites list and, > maybe, find one/some on my own. On the other hand, I know some guys > on these lists keep meticulous track of emerging cars and trucks. > Much easier to pick your brain than go through endless pages of die- > cast vehicles. > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54466	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: TrainMinder imports

Tom, I believe that only the data from the two commercial programs, TrainTracker and MI Trains, can currently be imported. Steve (the owner and developer of TrainMinder) says a future version of TrainMinder will allow the import of Excel spreadsheets, but current version does not as far as I can tell. If you have your inventory in Access you should be able to import it into Excel and then into TrainMinder when it becomes available. Sorry to take so long with a response, but I get all Yahoo groups in digest format and it takes a couple days for a reply turn around. Also please keep in mind that I'm not part of the TrainMinder team, but I was a beta tester. Ted Walton > >Posted by: "Tom Detmer" <mailto:detmer@...?Subject= >Re%3A%20TrainMinder%20values>detmer@... ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/detmer5694>detmer5694 > > > > > > > > >Sun May 17, 2009 1:31 pm (PDT) > > > > >Dear Ted, >What databases does Train Minder allow one to import from? I have my >inventory on an Access database. Could this be set up to import into >Train Minder if I choose to move the data over? >Tom Detmer ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2121 - Release Date: 05/18/09 17:55:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54467	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums Going away - MyFlyerTrains.org would be hap

I am sure everyone joins me in thanking Paul for the S gauge photo hosting service that he has provide us for many years. My website, http://www.myflyertrains.org already has a photo gallery area with an interface similar to that of Paul's. I would be very happy if you would consider moving your pictures there. I have nearly 8 gigs of space that I pay for every year that is still going unused, so you can upload all of the train related photos you wish, at any size you wish to upload. I frequently back up the website, so I believe I can offer you a reliable place for your photos. The photo albums have no advertising, not even banner ads anymore... To set up an account, you simply need to email me with the username and password that you would like your account to be set up under. email me at myflyertrains@... OR myflyertrains@... Thanks for considering putting putting your photos at MyFlyerTrains.org Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54468	From: michael prell	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away

Paul, I know that you can't print what I'm about to say, but G@d D@@'n It!!!! Wouldn't it be great to get hands around the throats of these a@@ h@@@s and ring their scrawney necks? Sorry about the language, but this really pisses me off! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Paul Yorke <paul@...> wrote: From: Paul Yorke <paul@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 2:39 PM Dear S-Scale.org Photo album users, This note pertains to the folks that have uploaded pictures to http://s-scale. org/albums/ main.php It does not involve folks that have uploaded to the Yahoo S-Trains or Yahoo S-Scale (or other Yahoo sites) I have to inform you that the hackers are getting the upper hand, and I will be shutting down the photo gallery. I hope to keep the sites, although, I might move to a better host. (another reason to go with Google or similar BIG host) I don't plan on pulling the plug until you have all recovered your pictures. If you need assistance please contact me off list. I hope to do this in the next couple months, so please act now. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54469	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/19/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away

Paul Yorke wrote: > > I have to inform you that the hackers are getting the upper hand, and I will > be shutting down the photo gallery. It's a shame the idiots ruin it for everyone. I had a blog on one of my personal web sites and had to disallow registrations because idiots were posting spam and obscene comments. Good luck and hope you find a permanent home. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54470	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from May 20 through May 30, 2009. Dick Karnes, Librarian

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54471	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Photo gallery - Update

Good news, I managed to download all the files from my various galleries including the S-Scale.org one. I am uploading them to a directory where you can point your new album (google, flickr, or whatever) I also suggest you download a copy for yourself and burn it to a cd or dvd. I it will take most of the day to upload them, so check on Thursday. The top directory is http://s-scale.org/albums_scale/ The file structure mirrors the album structure. Contact me if you need my assistance. Again I apology for this mess. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54472	From: ghslaw31	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Andrew Baird

I am trying to locate Andrew Baird a memeber of this group. I have sent some work I did for him, some background buildings for a shelf layout, and have not been able to contact him. Has anybody on the list been in touch with him? Thanks, Gerry Siegel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54473	From: Rhett George	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: ACG 0-8-0 binding

- GreetingS - Good suggestions all! May I add one? Run until the mechanism binds. Thenj careful;ly inspect the clearances between main rods, side rods, and side rod hex screws on the drivers. Also check the choo-choo rod and drive screw on the upper gear. That is the point where a bind was encountered on a Northern. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54474	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/20/2009
Subject: Photo Albums - Moving them to MyFlyerTrains.org

Hello folks, Paul Yorke has recovered many (not sure if they are all there) of your photo albums. I can offer you a service where I set up your photo album at MyFlyerTrains.org, and transfer your photos there if you wish. You could then enter your new album and label the pictures, organize them, and so forth. Anyone wanting me to do this, just contact me. I am off the next couple of days and can get you back up and running soon. email myflyertrains@..., myflyertrains.cfl.rr.com Thanks... Chuck Harrington http://www.MyFlyerTrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54475	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update

Did I miss a message?  What's going on?  Are all the galleries moving?  Are you moving them all or do we need to move our own?  I still have all the photos in my gallery here on my hard drive and on CD already. --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Photo gallery - Update To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:24 AM Good news, I managed to download all the files from my various galleries including the S-Scale.org one. I am uploading them to a directory where you can point your new album (google, flickr, or whatever) I also suggest you download a copy for yourself and burn it to a cd or dvd. I it will take most of the day to upload them, so check on Thursday. The top directory is http://s-scale. org/albums_ scale/ The file structure mirrors the album structure. Contact me if you need my assistance. Again I apology for this mess. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54476	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away

Ignore my earlier message - sorry - I just found this one.  I'll check back Friday. --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Paul Yorke <paul@...> wrote: From: Paul Yorke <paul@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 11:39 AM Dear S-Scale.org Photo album users, This note pertains to the folks that have uploaded pictures to http://s-scale. org/albums/ main.php It does not involve folks that have uploaded to the Yahoo S-Trains or Yahoo S-Scale (or other Yahoo sites) I have to inform you that the hackers are getting the upper hand, and I will be shutting down the photo gallery. I hope to keep the sites, although, I might move to a better host. (another reason to go with Google or similar BIG host) I don't plan on pulling the plug until you have all recovered your pictures. If you need assistance please contact me off list. I hope to do this in the next couple months, so please act now. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54477	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: Re: S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away

Good things your way go. Jim In a message dated 5/21/2009 5:36:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: Ignore my earlier message - sorry - I just found this one. I'll check back Friday. --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Paul Yorke <paul@...> wrote: From: Paul Yorke <paul@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Photo Albums - Going away To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 11:39 AM Dear S-Scale.org Photo album users, This note pertains to the folks that have uploaded pictures to http://s-scale. org/albums/ main.php It does not involve folks that have uploaded to the Yahoo S-Trains or Yahoo S-Scale (or other Yahoo sites) I have to inform you that the hackers are getting the upper hand, and I will be shutting down the photo gallery. I hope to keep the sites, although, I might move to a better host. (another reason to go with Google or similar BIG host) I don't plan on pulling the plug until you have all recovered your pictures. If you need assistance please contact me off list. I hope to do this in the next couple months, so please act now. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54478	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: S For Sale

For an operator, I have, as a lot: 1 left hand operating switch (works, lights)1 rerailer1 crossover3 black rail uncoupler tracks All for $30 plus postage. Also, have lots of rubber road bed. and a 12B transformer. Bill Lyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54479	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: AF For Sale

American Flyer S gauge for the operator: 581 Girder Bridge Good $12 760 Automatic Highway Flasher, Excellent $15 771 Operating Stock Yard, restored, original roof, 2 original cows, VG, operates, $25 7 pairs of remote control switches with a 10 Turnout Control Panel by P.H. Hobbies, Excellent; all switches work and light. $140 Bill Lyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54480	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Flyer 354 Question

Greetings! Working on the restoration of the boiler shell for the 354 .... need help with location/ measurements for the rivet connecting the linkage to the boiler shell. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W. MI. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54481	From: The LANIERs	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer 354 Question

Don't have the specs for the rivet, but you need AF part # PA5603. Doug Peck at Portlines has them for $.20 ea. I am sure other parts vendors have them as well. You may be better off just using a small screw, as trying to set this rivet presents a great opportunity to break the boiler repair. Herb ----- Original Message ----- From: charlie and edith To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer 354 Question Greetings! Working on the restoration of the boiler shell for the 354 .... need help with location/ measurements for the rivet connecting the linkage to the boiler shell. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W. MI. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54482	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Now there is ONE

Ladies and Gentlemen, As you do your layout planning this weekend around parades, FLAGS, cookouts etc, you might want to be aware that I have ONE Southern Mikado by American Flyer/Lionel left. This was a display case kept, mostly in the dark, CLEAN engine. $299.00 plus shipping, PA tax if applicable. Thanks, remember the REASON for the Holiday Jim Lyle **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54483	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: more S rolling stock for sale

I am clearing out a few things that I don't need or do not have room for as most all of the trackage on my layout is full and it is difficult to run the trains. 12 x 16 foot layout. 1. AM u25 B Burlington engine DC new in box $175 2. AM flyer 080 repainted totally black, bar coupler in front, none in rear, shs slow speed can conversion motor, lenz DCC installed. Needs wheel and pickup cleaning otherwise, pretty nice.$150 .. 3. Crown models red strohs beer refer, like new, highrail, knuckles, shs trucks. $40 .. 4. American models GN western fruit express refer high rail wheels, shs trucks, kadee couplers $35 5. SHS Milwaukee orange caboose. Like new, hirail, kadees, looking for box. $40 6. S scale America S Hopper CN flyer compatible $35 .. 7. American models Milwaukee plug door hi rail RTR like new in box $35 .. 8. S helper refer.. white rock water #18044 (55075 on car) NIB $40 9. American models refer, miller beer gray, missing one step, high rail, shs trucks, kadees, dull coated. Looking for box - $30 10. American Models Union pacific Budd coach #5525. Like new in box, has been run a little. $60 . 11. Another American Models Union pacific Budd coach #5527. Like new in box, has been run a little. $60 . 12. ERTL truck (and trailer) painted blue for nickel plate road went with 1998 nasg convention flatbed car, no box...$10 .. 13. S Scale America Milwaukee pipe gondola car. Special made cutout side version. Made for S convention in 05? NIB $50 14. SHS GN boxcar 00346 green orange #2508 on car, hi rail-kadee, looking for box $40 .. Make me an offer including shipping for any or all and let me know. I have some scale wheels (SHS) so let me know if you would rather have cars that way. I can send along pictures of anything. Paypal, mo, check (held for clearance) all work THANKS! Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 New email eric(AT)rer01.com, my old Comcast one is gone .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54484	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: My photo albums are moved!

Thanks to Chuck, he has moved all of my photo albums over to his MyFlyerTrains.org site. They look great! What a relief, I was freaking out a bit over losing the albums. If you had albums over at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php , they need to be moved as Paul mentioned the other day. Chuck is willing to help out. Check out his site at: http://myflyertrains.org/ Rick "One Happy Camper" Evans PS ...... check out mine at http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Ricks-Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54485	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: GEEP PARTS NEEDED

Anyone have any GEEP parts????... I need the Front step part for a KC type... Must be original and VG+ with paint in good condition. I do not need the front railing. I also need 1 of the bent rail railings that run from the cab to the frame..... I am repairing a GEEP that was dropped and has a broken step.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54486	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Rubber Roadbed For Sale

42 curved and 30 straight AF original, nice shape black rubber roadbed, $140 plus shipping. 6 nice AF 730 green bumpers, $50. Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54487	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?

Any luck with the 577 whistling billboard wiring diagram? I think I have the inside mostly figured out, but I'm not sure how it is supposed to connect to the switch and the transformer. Does anyone have the diagram they could share? Thank you very much. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: > > Hello >          I just caught your post on the 577 whistling billboard diagram. > > I do have diagrams for the 566, 568, and 577 > > They are in storage at my mom's but if given a moth or so I can get them and scan them to you >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54488	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: more S rolling stock for sale

Eric - I'd sure like to get that ERTL truck with the NASG flatcar; what happened to the flatcar? Can I talk you into selling me that as well?   I'm also interested in the Stroh's Beer reefer and possibly the two UP Budd cars.   Bob Graves - you remember me!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54489	From: Tom Crowley	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: Rubber Roadbed For Sale

Bill, I'll take the rubber roadbed. Let me know where to send a check. Cheers, Tom Crowley 42 Ivy Chase Atlanta, GA 30342-4500 404.233.6886 Home 404.375.5578 Cell "A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about." - Douglas Adams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54490	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?

Matthew,   I have the K-Line American Flyer Service manual, K-3. It has the wiring diagram of the #577.   The Yellow wire goes to the 15 Volt post on the transformer. The green wire goes to one side of the control box. A black wire goes to the base post of the transformer as well from the other post on the control box. The Black wire from the whistle, goes to the Base post of the transformer.     Evidently, the green wire is the "control wire" for the whistle, the Yellow wire must be for a light bulb in the billboard. I own a #762 Two-in-one whistle and it has lights in the base.   I hope this helps, Nick Kulp TCA #05-59603. --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wiring old whistling billboard ? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 4:44 PM Any luck with the 577 whistling billboard wiring diagram? I think I have the inside mostly figured out, but I'm not sure how it is supposed to connect to the switch and the transformer. Does anyone have the diagram they could share? Thank you very much.  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: > > Hello >          I just caught your post on the 577 whistling billboard diagram. > > I do have diagrams for the 566, 568, and 577 > > They are in storage at my mom's but if given a moth or so I can get them and scan them to you > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54491	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/22/2009
Subject: Re: wiring old whistling billboard ?

Hi Matt, I will try to have the 577 billboard info in a few days Thanks for reminding me --- Rich ________________________________ From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:44:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wiring old whistling billboard ? Any luck with the 577 whistling billboard wiring diagram? I think I have the inside mostly figured out, but I'm not sure how it is supposed to connect to the switch and the transformer. Does anyone have the diagram they could share? Thank you very much. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@.. .> wrote: > > Hello > I just caught your post on the 577 whistling billboard diagram. > > I do have diagrams for the 566, 568, and 577 > > They are in storage at my mom's but if given a moth or so I can get them and scan them to you > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54492	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: FOR SALE : TWO SHS CABOOSES

I have TWO SHS Extended Vision cabooses for sale... : These cabooses have code 110 wheels AND hi-rail wheels. These cabooses have AF couplers. These cabooses do NOT have lighting kits inside. ONE of these cabooses is missing two small grab irons. These cabooses are painted in the Seaboard Air Line paint scheme. I am asking $30 each for these cabooses + $7 each for shipping or $9 shipping for both. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF-LINE AT : Scaler164@... if interested. John Degnan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54493	From: zdava	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54494	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

Wooden toothpicks work on the PVMR layout Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 5/23/2009 10:39:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, zdava@... writes: I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? Dave ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54495	From: rfalzini	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

I couldn't find fiber pins either, so I made them from flat tooth picks Also, another trick is to not use pins and leave a slight gap between the tracks Hope these ideas help you out

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54496	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zdava" <zdava@...> wrote: > > I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. > Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? > > Dave > Use a flat wood tooth pick leaving a small gap for insulation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54497	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

From Alan Lambert Try Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies. He should be able to help you. He has  a multy amount of parts and probably has what you need. Go to www.portlines,com                                                                Thanks,                                                                           Alan Lambert                                                                           Lone Star Flyer Club --- On Sat, 5/23/09, zdava <zdava@...> wrote: From: zdava <zdava@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 9:53 AM I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54498	From: zdava	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Looks like Rick Johnson has his business up for sale. He says he is not producing any more roadbed until there is a new owner. Guess this will make whatever roadbed is out there more valuable in the marketplace and on auction sites. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54499	From: zdava	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

I will try the wooden toothpick approach. Thanks for the idea. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54500	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

Needless to say, I have a picture and comments on my website:      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/operations.html The pins you buy today are plastic, not fiber.  Portlines, RFG, and Gilbert Guru should all have them. People still call them fiber pins because the original pins made by Gilbert were made of a fiber material.  If you do find and use the original fiber pins, be careful when handling them and when you handle the track after they're inserted.  They break very easily.  The new plastic ones bend a lot more before breaking.  An inexpensive makeshift alternative is flat toothpicks shaved down to fit, but they break easiest. Be aware that tracks do expand, shrink, and move a little bit as temperatures rise and fall, and as trains roll by providing vibration.  If you don't have a sufficient gap between adjacent track sections, they can make contact.  That 's why the commercial pins have a separator as well as the pin that inserts in the rail.  When I made my own plastic and wood toothpick pins, I inserted a small section of toothpick as a separator; it looks funny if you look closely, but most people don't look close enough to notice.  All in all, I came to favor the commercial plastic pins because they're cheap, easiest to work with, and work best. --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 9:45 AM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "zdava" <zdava@...> wrote: > > I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. > Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? > > Dave > Use a flat wood tooth pick leaving a small gap for insulation. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54501	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

I'm placing a 588 track signal (new production), following the directions, and using flat toothpicks to isolate a section. The signal works (green/red) but I have no power in the block ever. What am I doing wrong? Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lambert Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track? From Alan Lambert Try Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies. He should be able to help you. He has  a multy amount of parts and probably has what you need. Go to www.portlines,com                                                                Thanks,                                                                           Alan Lambert                                                                           Lone Star Flyer Club --- On Sat, 5/23/09, zdava <zdava@...> wrote: From: zdava <zdava@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 9:53 AM I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54502	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update

Mine all got moved to Paul's new directory, including the ones that show up as damaged in the old gallery.  But is there any plan to capture the captions and the stories they tell from the old gallery? --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Photo gallery - Update To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:24 AM Good news, I managed to download all the files from my various galleries including the S-Scale.org one. I am uploading them to a directory where you can point your new album (google, flickr, or whatever) I also suggest you download a copy for yourself and burn it to a cd or dvd. I it will take most of the day to upload them, so check on Thursday. The top directory is http://s-scale. org/albums_ scale/ The file structure mirrors the album structure. Contact me if you need my assistance. Again I apology for this mess. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54503	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

From our online AF Parts Catalog: TRACK ITEMS (ID: 1000) FIBER PINS (nylon); Track insulators. $0.30 <http://64.251.10.24/~worldofw/cgi-bin/shoppl.pl/SID=640223421/page=shop .html/buy=1/item=4935> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54504	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update

Robert, One more thing, there is no cost to move your photos and have them hosted at MyFlyerTrains.org This is something I do because I enjoy it and want to try and help the hobby. Chuck On May 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > > > Mine all got moved to Paul's new directory, including the ones that > show up as damaged in the old gallery. But is there any plan to > capture the captions and the stories they tell from the old gallery? > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > > From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Photo gallery - Update > To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:24 AM > > Good news, > > I managed to download all the files from my various galleries > including the > > S-Scale.org one. > > I am uploading them to a directory where you can point your new album > > (google, flickr, or whatever) > > I also suggest you download a copy for yourself and burn it to a cd > or dvd. > > I it will take most of the day to upload them, so check on Thursday. > > The top directory is http://s-scale. org/albums_ scale/ > > The file structure mirrors the album structure. > > Contact me if you need my assistance. > > Again I apology for this mess. > > -- > > Paul Yorke > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54505	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update

Robert, Your Album is small enough that I will transfer the text if you like. Chuck On May 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > > > Mine all got moved to Paul's new directory, including the ones that > show up as damaged in the old gallery. But is there any plan to > capture the captions and the stories they tell from the old gallery? > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > > From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Photo gallery - Update > To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:24 AM > > Good news, > > I managed to download all the files from my various galleries > including the > > S-Scale.org one. > > I am uploading them to a directory where you can point your new album > > (google, flickr, or whatever) > > I also suggest you download a copy for yourself and burn it to a cd > or dvd. > > I it will take most of the day to upload them, so check on Thursday. > > The top directory is http://s-scale. org/albums_ scale/ > > The file structure mirrors the album structure. > > Contact me if you need my assistance. > > Again I apology for this mess. > > -- > > Paul Yorke > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54506	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Hey, I got one piece of straight I got as a sample in 1995 or so. So, if I put this on Ebay, will it go for 100's of dollars then? JUST KIDDING. I hope he finds a new owner. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: zdava To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale Looks like Rick Johnson has his business up for sale. He says he is not producing any more roadbed until there is a new owner. Guess this will make whatever roadbed is out there more valuable in the marketplace and on auction sites. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54507	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

zdava wrote: > Looks like Rick Johnson has his business up for sale. He says he is not > producing any more roadbed until there is a new owner. Guess this will > make whatever roadbed is out there more valuable in the marketplace and > on auction sites. My guess would be that more people use a modern track than the traditional old ACG, K-Line, etc type track so the demand dropped to a point where the money is better invested elsewhere. I personally like the old high rail track and have boxes of it. Also have boxes of original and Johnson roadbed to go with it. Even found a box of 100 pieces to fit the curved 54 inch K-Line track that I had accumulated over the years. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54508	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Photo gallery - Update

Robert, Basically you can copy each text message and paste in on the photo manually. I don't have any way of automating this and only about 10% of the albums at Paul's have currently been copied to my site so I don't have time currently to get involved in this part of the process now. I can copy the photo Albums for you, as I have already done for several others. The largest Albums take hours to copy, so I really need you to do the copy and paste text thing yourself while Paul's album is still available to copy from. I did 3 albums yesterday, and was hoping to do some more tonight, but there are no more requests for Album copy pending, so I am currently in a hold mode. I can promise you that once albums are on my site, they will be backed up on a regular basis so should my site ever get hacked or the ISP host blow up or something, we will just restore the backups photos, text and all. All that it takes to get your albums and photos copied is an email asking me to do it for you, and it will happen. Right now there is NO WAITING to start the process, later there could be... I really would like to see the S gauge photos on one site, like they were for the most part at Paul's, rather than scattered all of the Internet at generic photos hosting sites that will be harder for people to find. Since building the photo hosting into my website several years ago, and then purchasing the space to hold a bunch of photos, I have learned the significance of the old saying, "if you build it they will come", if you build it they might not come, at least not in the numbers as you would like! My email myflyertrains@... http://www.myflyertrains.org/gallery/ Later... Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online and S Gauge Photo hosting... On May 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > > > Mine all got moved to Paul's new directory, including the ones that > show up as damaged in the old gallery. But is there any plan to > capture the captions and the stories they tell from the old gallery? > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > > From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Photo gallery - Update > To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:24 AM > > Good news, > > I managed to download all the files from my various galleries > including the > > S-Scale.org one. > > I am uploading them to a directory where you can point your new album > > (google, flickr, or whatever) > > I also suggest you download a copy for yourself and burn it to a cd > or dvd. > > I it will take most of the day to upload them, so check on Thursday. > > The top directory is http://s-scale. org/albums_ scale/ > > The file structure mirrors the album structure. > > Contact me if you need my assistance. > > Again I apology for this mess. > > -- > > Paul Yorke > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54509	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/24/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 24, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 59 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54510	From: tobitoys	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Hi I'm New to this Group!

Hi Folks! Allow me to introduce our auction company to those who do not know us. I am Mark Tobias and my partners are Don & Naomi Karagianes. We operate the New England Toy & Train Exchange here in Danbury, Connecticut. We are a full service international auction house that specializes in vintage and collectible toys and trains. We hold live public sales about every 8 weeks or so, presently at the Danbury Plaza Hotel & Conference Center off I84 in Danbury Connecticut. The sales are between 900 and 1000 lots and can cover all areas of collecting from the 1800s to current production. We utilize a full-color, fully photographed printed catalog that can be purchased for each sale. We offer an interactive web site for viewing and bidding at: <http://www.newenglandtoytrainexchange.com> In addition, we offer live internet bidding, phone, fax and mail bids. We grade and guarantee our catalog descriptions to our bidders. The sales are usually split 325 lots on Friday evening which is offered by a non photoed list(though there are photos on the live internet auction site and our web site). Saturday's sale(between 5 & 600 Lots) is in the photographed catalog and is divided into its collector sections(I.E.- S-Ga, Lionel Post War, European, Modern, Toys, Etc.) We would welcome new participants and encourage all of you interested to email us to get on our mailing list. email newenglandtrain@... and put ML-Sga in the subject box or call Naomi at 203 730-1404. We can answer any and all questions and we are pretty knowledgeable on pre & post war AF production, though I'm still learning the modern era because we sell we sell a lot if it. Thank you for this opportunity. Sincerely- Mark Tobias, partner NETTE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54511	From: The Reardon's	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

Hi, I found a guy on a Ebay Store site. "thegilbertguru". He gets $3.00 for 10 pins. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: zdava To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track? I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54512	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

Hi Dave,   ===== I'm placing a 588 track signal (new production), following the directions, and using flat toothpicks to isolate a section. The signal works (green/red) but I have no power in the block ever. What am I doing wrong? Dave in Maryland =====   The old AF #761 had a twin coil relay and a contact the would make/break the isolated section's power. I checked out the instructions online and it looks like the "White" wire supplies the power to the block through the "signal". It picks it up from the "Red"wire. I would guess that "Red" would be from the transformer's variable post.   By pushing the "Green" button on the controller, you should complete a circuit through the internal contacts. If you have a Ohm meter, you should be able to test it by checking if there is continuity from the "Red" wire through the "White" wire when the signal is green.. The "Black" wire would be the circuit ground or Base post on an American Flyer transformer. Since they use the terms "U" and "A" instead of Base and 7-15V I cannot help identify the terminology as it probably relates to a Lionel transformer.   If you do the continuity test and there is not a complete circuit when the signal is green, the relay or wire is probably faulty.   I hope this helps, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54513	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: EP-5

Looking to acquire a New Haven EP-5 for a repaint project. Thanks, Pete

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54514	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/23/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

The Gargraves brand plastic pins work well with both old and new AF track.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "zdava" <zdava@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:53:06 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track? I am making isolated electrical blocks on my layout....plus I have a return loop. Where do I buy fiber or plastic pins? ...can I make these myself? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54515	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Will we do with less?

Now that Comcast has finally (and no doubt temporarily) fixed the problem that had me off line all week, I have a question that we've been hashing over at the shop since York. As the economic problem continues, will we as train folks in all scales have to do with less in the future? We have no idea how long the current financial situation will drag on, but every day it does lessens the number of people who can make or spend money on the hobby. Even for those who are in relatively good shape economically, the fear that the wolf will come to their door sooner or later is keeping many people from spending money. The various train manufacturers must cut back on production and stocking of inventory to survive, and this leads to higher prices at a time they can be ill afforded. The result is that we will continue our hobby with less choice and availibility. We also know that new blood, despite those who are led by wishful thinking, is not coming into the overall hobby at the rate our older folks are leaving it. If the economic situation and the aging of the hobbyists collide, it could be the "perfect storm." However, even in the darkest depths of the Great Depression and World War II, the hobby lived on! Smaller, with many hobbist manufacturers to back up the major manufacturers, and with a good deal of scrounging and creative modeling. There were even bargains for the few collectors of the day. Are we entering a time of doing with less? What do you think? Stumpy Stone...always thinking in Appalachia...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54516	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track?

Thanks. At this point I removed the toothpick pins and let the current flow. The red and green buttons work the signal very well. I'll get back to the project soon and try again for the block. Dave -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Kulp Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Where do I find fiber connecting pins for AF track? Hi Dave,   ===== I'm placing a 588 track signal (new production), following the directions, and using flat toothpicks to isolate a section. The signal works (green/red) but I have no power in the block ever. What am I doing wrong? Dave in Maryland =====   The old AF #761 had a twin coil relay and a contact the would make/break the isolated section's power. I checked out the instructions online and it looks like the "White" wire supplies the power to the block through the "signal". It picks it up from the "Red"wire. I would guess that "Red" would be from the transformer's variable post.   By pushing the "Green" button on the controller, you should complete a circuit through the internal contacts. If you have a Ohm meter, you should be able to test it by checking if there is continuity from the "Red" wire through the "White" wire when the signal is green.. The "Black" wire would be the circuit ground or Base post on an American Flyer transformer. Since they use the terms "U" and "A" instead of Base and 7-15V I cannot help identify the terminology as it probably relates to a Lionel transformer.   If you do the continuity test and there is not a complete circuit when the signal is green, the relay or wire is probably faulty.   I hope this helps, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54517	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Still more S items for sale - updated list

This is my updated list.... I am clearing out a few things that I don't need or do not have room for as most all of the trackage on my layout is full and it is difficult to run the trains. 12 x 16 foot layout. 1,2,3. Sold 4. American models GN western fruit express refer high rail wheels, shs trucks, kadee couplers ladders missing (never assembled on) $25 .. 5. SHS Milwaukee orange caboose. Like new, hirail, kadees, looking for box. $40 6. S scale America S Hopper CN flyer compatible $35 .. 7. American models Milwaukee plug door hi rail RTR like new in box $35 .. 8. S helper refer.. white rock water #18044 (55075 on car) NIB $40 9. American models refer, miller beer gray, missing one step, high rail, shs trucks, kadees, dull coated. Looking for box - $30 10,11,12. sold 13. S Scale America Milwaukee pipe gondola car. Special made cutout side version. Made for S convention in 05? NIB $50 14. SHS GN boxcar 00346 green orange #2508 on car, hi rail-kadee, looking for box $40 .. 15. american models #712 wide vision caboose kit, new in box with trucks $35 . 16. AM fast tracks Northern Pacific caboose wood style. #7520 red new in box $40 . 17. S helper 01128 Great Northern red box car like new in box $40 . 18. S helper 00347 Great Northern green box car like new in box $40 19. s helper 01801 Hams brewing refer car new in box $40 . 20. Pacific rail shops Kit S,P, and S brown boxcar (94 NASG) 11242 new in box with trucks $40 .. 21. Pacific rail shops Kit milwaukee orange urts 37371 refer, no trucks new in box. $35 .. 22. Pacific rail shops Kit Great northern green double door 40' boxcar no trucks new in box $35 23. Pacific rail shops Kit UP/SP color logo refer car Pacific fruit express new in box $45 .. 24. Pacific rail shops Kit SP overnight block with trucks new in box $45 .. Make me an offer including shipping for any or all and let me know. I have some scale wheels (SHS) so let me know if you would rather have cars that way. I can send along pictures of anything. Paypal, mo, check (held for clearance) all work THANKS! Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 New email eric(AT)rer01.com, my old Comcast one is gone .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54518	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Here a pig; there a pig...

Figures, both human and four-footed, are periodically mentioned on the lists. For those seeking the latter variety of figures, I believe I've struck a bonanza. On www.3000toys.com they list a limited quantity of ERTL four-footers. While the quality is not what we're used to with RailMaster, Dyna Models, Arttista, Aspen and Fun and Games for example, the price can't be beat at around ten-cents per critter. If/when you place an order, however, be aware they impose a flat-rate s&h of $7.95/order no matter how big or small the order is. Anyway for $4.99 + s&h, you get twelve cows, ten horses, four pigs, two dogs, four geese, six roosters and six chickens. Green Acres, baby! Most people are probably already aware that ERTL offers a series of farm buildings and houses. 3000 Games stocks these also. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54519	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?

Hi Stumpy, You raise a good point. I can see a couple of potential changes. We may see increased intensity in the completeness of small scenes and miniature railroads like the ones you have been making and promoting. It takes only a short effort to make one that is presentable. However, to take the time to really complete a scene or two with plenty of details can occupy a hobbyist for many months or even years. Sharing those creations with others at train shows makes it even better. I see the possibility of increases in intensity of effort with more scratch-building. Starting from raw materials (or raw-ish in the case of Plastruct and other prefab structural elements) usually costs a lot less than building a kit or buying a ready-made item. Factor in the extra hours of pleasant work and the extra delight in the accomplishment and you have a winner. It is a way to get hobbyists back to the roots of the hobby and away from searching for the most complete, expensive and ready-for-the-layout items. Some of our colleagues in the UK have been enjoying the hobby in these two ways for a long time. As I understand it, many shows there are to meet friends, show off projects and admire the work of others. Selling and buying is not the major effort at those shows. Maybe we need to see more like that here as well. With more to see and do rather than just to buy, the shows can be better recruiting grounds for junior engineers. Happy Memorial Day weekend from rainy South Florida, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Will we do with less? Now that Comcast has finally (and no doubt temporarily) fixed the problem that had me off line all week, I have a question that we've been hashing over at the shop since York. As the economic problem continues, will we as train folks in all scales have to do with less in the future? We have no idea how long the current financial situation will drag on, but every day it does lessens the number of people who can make or spend money on the hobby. Even for those who are in relatively good shape economically, the fear that the wolf will come to their door sooner or later is keeping many people from spending money. The various train manufacturers must cut back on production and stocking of inventory to survive, and this leads to higher prices at a time they can be ill afforded. The result is that we will continue our hobby with less choice and availibility. We also know that new blood, despite those who are led by wishful thinking, is not coming into the overall hobby at the rate our older folks are leaving it. If the economic situation and the aging of the hobbyists collide, it could be the "perfect storm." However, even in the darkest depths of the Great Depression and World War II, the hobby lived on! Smaller, with many hobbist manufacturers to back up the major manufacturers, and with a good deal of scrounging and creative modeling. There were even bargains for the few collectors of the day. Are we entering a time of doing with less? What do you think? Stumpy Stone...always thinking in Appalachia... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54520	From: John	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?

As for me, since I don't have a layout built yet, I will still purchase what I think I will use on my future layout. If things get to a point where money becomes an issue then I will take what I have and start building the layout. I can at least enjoy building and running my trains. I have my garage cleaned up to the point that I can start laying down paper and sketching where things will go. For those of you who have their layouts in a garage or basement, Have you done anything to the floor besides carpeting? I was thinking of at least painting the floor to keep the concrete sealed. Any thoughts on this and what to use?? Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Will we do with less? Now that Comcast has finally (and no doubt temporarily) fixed the problem that had me off line all week, I have a question that we've been hashing over at the shop since York. As the economic problem continues, will we as train folks in all scales have to do with less in the future? We have no idea how long the current financial situation will drag on, but every day it does lessens the number of people who can make or spend money on the hobby. Even for those who are in relatively good shape economically, the fear that the wolf will come to their door sooner or later is keeping many people from spending money. The various train manufacturers must cut back on production and stocking of inventory to survive, and this leads to higher prices at a time they can be ill afforded. The result is that we will continue our hobby with less choice and availibility. We also know that new blood, despite those who are led by wishful thinking, is not coming into the overall hobby at the rate our older folks are leaving it. If the economic situation and the aging of the hobbyists collide, it could be the "perfect storm." However, even in the darkest depths of the Great Depression and World War II, the hobby lived on! Smaller, with many hobbist manufacturers to back up the major manufacturers, and with a good deal of scrounging and creative modeling. There were even bargains for the few collectors of the day. Are we entering a time of doing with less? What do you think? Stumpy Stone...always thinking in Appalachia... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54521	From: Ray	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Help finding a value for a train collection?

My friend Matt's father died back in December and my friend and his family are tackling the job of clearing his dad's house of a lifetime of possessions. Matt knows I have my own father's AF trains (which became mine as a child), plus the more modern stuff I collected the last few years, so he offered it to me. I'm no expert on AF collections and valuation, so I'm looking for a source for estimating the value of the collection and deciding whether to retain it or sell it off. What I received was appears to be a 'boxed set' of a complete AF train set - Reading 300 4-4-2, 300 Reading caboose, B&O 633 box car, a log car and shell tank car. Most of the rolling stock is the same as from my dad's collection, just in better shape (we were tough on it as kids). The engine and the rolling stock all have boxes (conservatively in the fair to good range), but they are in what appears to be the original corrugated set box from A.C. Gilbert. From what I see it appears to be from the immediate post-war period - maybe '47. There's a transformer, a 90 degree cross over, a New Haven REA baggage car with the swing arm all in their original boxes. There are even switches (operating and manual, but the hardware is a little rough. The pick of the litter is the log dump car which is the nicely piece of AF rolling stock I've ever seen. It practically looks brand new and its in the orignal corrugated box. Most unique part of the collection - a bag of "No.22 scenic gravel" from the A.C. Gilbert company. Are there any sources in Southwest Ohio that could assist in valuing it? Thanks! Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54522	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/24/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54523	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Photos Albums Moved to MyFlyerTrains.org 6, remaining 35?

Hello Folks, Just wanted to update you that I have copied 6 photo Albums from Paul's s-scale.org site, to MyFlyerTrains.org, Albums and all photos All I need from you is an email asking me to move your photos, and I will do the work and send you the link to your new album and the password to take it over. It's pretty easy really, just need you to email me so I can start the work. email myflyertrains@... Thanks! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! S Gauge Photo Album Hosting!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54524	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Help finding a value for a train collection?

Ray, You might start by contacting Stumpy on this list. He is on the eastern side of OHIO on the river. If he can't help you, he may know someone in the area who can. Larry Moore From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Help finding a value for a train collection? My friend Matt's father died back in December and my friend and his family are tackling the job of clearing his dad's house of a lifetime of possessions. Matt knows I have my own father's AF trains (which became mine as a child), plus the more modern stuff I collected the last few years, so he offered it to me. I'm no expert on AF collections and valuation, so I'm looking for a source for estimating the value of the collection and deciding whether to retain it or sell it off. What I received was appears to be a 'boxed set' of a complete AF train set - Reading 300 4-4-2, 300 Reading caboose, B&O 633 box car, a log car and shell tank car. Most of the rolling stock is the same as from my dad's collection, just in better shape (we were tough on it as kids). The engine and the rolling stock all have boxes (conservatively in the fair to good range), but they are in what appears to be the original corrugated set box from A.C. Gilbert. From what I see it appears to be from the immediate post-war period - maybe '47. There's a transformer, a 90 degree cross over, a New Haven REA baggage car with the swing arm all in their original boxes. There are even switches (operating and manual, but the hardware is a little rough. The pick of the litter is the log dump car which is the nicely piece of AF rolling stock I've ever seen. It practically looks brand new and its in the orignal corrugated box. Most unique part of the collection - a bag of "No.22 scenic gravel" from the A.C. Gilbert company. Are there any sources in Southwest Ohio that could assist in valuing it? Thanks! Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54525	From: michael prell	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?

John, Be sure to invest in a good quality de-humidifyer. Rust is not your friend! Good luck! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 5/24/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Will we do with less? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:42 PM As for me, since I don't have a layout built yet, I will still purchase what I think I will use on my future layout. If things get to a point where money becomes an issue then I will take what I have and start building the layout. I can at least enjoy building and running my trains. I have my garage cleaned up to the point that I can start laying down paper and sketching where things will go. For those of you who have their layouts in a garage or basement, Have you done anything to the floor besides carpeting? I was thinking of at least painting the floor to keep the concrete sealed. Any thoughts on this and what to use?? Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Will we do with less? Now that Comcast has finally (and no doubt temporarily) fixed the problem that had me off line all week, I have a question that we've been hashing over at the shop since York. As the economic problem continues, will we as train folks in all scales have to do with less in the future? We have no idea how long the current financial situation will drag on, but every day it does lessens the number of people who can make or spend money on the hobby. Even for those who are in relatively good shape economically, the fear that the wolf will come to their door sooner or later is keeping many people from spending money. The various train manufacturers must cut back on production and stocking of inventory to survive, and this leads to higher prices at a time they can be ill afforded. The result is that we will continue our hobby with less choice and availibility. We also know that new blood, despite those who are led by wishful thinking, is not coming into the overall hobby at the rate our older folks are leaving it. If the economic situation and the aging of the hobbyists collide, it could be the "perfect storm." However, even in the darkest depths of the Great Depression and World War II, the hobby lived on! Smaller, with many hobbist manufacturers to back up the major manufacturers, and with a good deal of scrounging and creative modeling. There were even bargains for the few collectors of the day. Are we entering a time of doing with less? What do you think? Stumpy Stone...always thinking in Appalachia.. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54526	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: Still more S items for sale - updated list

hi:do you still have the hamm's beer,i assume from milwaukee.thanks.jim --- On Sun, 5/24/09, traintracks01 <traintracks01@...> wrote: From: traintracks01 <traintracks01@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Still more S items for sale - updated list To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 9:22 AM This is my updated list.... I am clearing out a few things that I don't need or do not have room for as most all of the trackage on my layout is full and it is difficult to run the trains. 12 x 16 foot layout. 1,2,3. Sold 4. American models GN western fruit express refer high rail wheels, shs trucks, kadee couplers ladders missing…(never assembled on) $25….. 5. SHS Milwaukee orange caboose. Like new, hirail, kadees, looking for box. $40…… 6. S scale America S Hopper CN flyer compatible $35……….. 7. American models Milwaukee plug door hi rail RTR like new in box $35……….. 8. S helper refer.. white rock water #18044 (55075 on car) NIB $40………… 9. American models refer, miller beer gray, missing one step, high rail, shs trucks, kadees, dull coated. Looking for box - $30 10,11,12. sold 13. S Scale America Milwaukee pipe gondola car. Special made cutout side version. Made for S convention in 05? NIB $50…… 14. SHS GN boxcar 00346 green orange #2508 on car, hi rail-kadee, looking for box $40….. 15. american models #712 wide vision caboose kit, new in box with trucks…$35…. 16. AM fast tracks Northern Pacific caboose wood style. #7520 red new in box $40…. 17. S helper 01128 Great Northern red box car like new in box $40…. 18. S helper 00347 Great Northern green box car like new in box $40… 19. s helper 01801 Hams brewing refer car new in box $40…. 20. Pacific rail shops Kit S,P, and S brown boxcar (94 NASG) 11242 new in box with trucks $40….. 21. Pacific rail shops Kit milwaukee orange urts 37371 refer, no trucks new in box. $35…….. 22. Pacific rail shops Kit Great northern green double door 40' boxcar no trucks new in box $35……… 23. Pacific rail shops Kit UP/SP color logo refer car Pacific fruit express new in box $45….. 24. Pacific rail shops Kit SP overnight block with trucks new in box $45…….. Make me an offer including shipping for any or all and let me know. I have some scale wheels (SHS) so let me know if you would rather have cars that way. I can send along pictures of anything. Paypal, mo, check (held for clearance) all work THANKS! Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 New email eric(AT)rer01. com, my old Comcast one is gone…. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54527	From: John	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Will we do with less?

Thanks Mike It is heated and air conditioned and very well insulated John ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Will we do with less? John, Be sure to invest in a good quality de-humidifyer. Rust is not your friend! Good luck! Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 5/24/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54528	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

I've never run into this before. I replaced the smoke wick in a 302 AC. I have 2 problems. First, I only get smoke at higher voltages. It smoked great when I connected the transformer leads directly to the locomotive as a test, but when I added the tender it only smoked at high voltages. I guess the reverse unit is soaking up voltage. However, the motor runs faster when the tender is connected. I'm confused. Second, there is no choo-choo sound. I greased the cylinder slightly to get a better seal for the smoke piston. If some of the grease got into the air hole, would that prevent the choo-choo sound? The smoke (at high voltage) is still puffing, so the air is getting through. Thanks. - Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54529	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Flyer 354 Question

Greetings! Herb, thanks for the linkage tip! Still need help with the measurements for the location of the rivet holding the linkage to the boiler shell. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54530	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Memorial Day

To all members of this group, and their families, who have served in our Armed Forces, a salute and a Thank You for your service and sacrifice. A special tribute to the ones that did not return. Larry Moore USN '66-'70. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54531	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Photos Albums Moved to MyFlyerTrains.org 6, remaining 35?

Just clear my photos off, and I will start a new file when I have the need.  Clayton D. UVL97222 --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Photos Albums Moved to MyFlyerTrains.org 6, remaining 35? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 2:59 PM Hello Folks, Just wanted to update you that I have copied 6 photo Albums from Paul's s-scale.org site, to MyFlyerTrains. org, Albums and all photos All I need from you is an email asking me to move your photos, and I will do the work and send you the link to your new album and the password to take it over. It's pretty easy really, just need you to email me so I can start the work. email myflyertrains@ cfl.rr.com Thanks! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyert rains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! S Gauge Photo Album Hosting! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54532	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

Bruce, if the grease makes a good seal then the way the unit would draw air is by way of the little hole. The piston draws air by way of the piston slop - clearance of the wall , and then pushes just the right amount in the hole. All of the air that will not go in the hole goes back out the same way it was drawn in to the chamber. Clean it out, and you will be fine. In all the years of service of your 302 there was little to no grease, and it worked fine. Also one way to look at this is that this is not a combustion engine with valves to let air in or out. What you did was remove one of your vales, and made it so it would not work.  Clayton D. --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Bruce D. Willis <willisbd@...> wrote: From: Bruce D. Willis <willisbd@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 8:26 PM I've never run into this before. I replaced the smoke wick in a 302 AC. I have 2 problems. First, I only get smoke at higher voltages. It smoked great when I connected the transformer leads directly to the locomotive as a test, but when I added the tender it only smoked at high voltages. I guess the reverse unit is soaking up voltage. However, the motor runs faster when the tender is connected. I'm confused. Second, there is no choo-choo sound. I greased the cylinder slightly to get a better seal for the smoke piston. If some of the grease got into the air hole, would that prevent the choo-choo sound? The smoke (at high voltage) is still puffing, so the air is getting through. Thanks. - Bruce W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54533	From: Paul Breault	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Will we do with less?

I think, like all other hobbies, model trains will survive the current downturn and eventually the previous interest level in this area will be restored. We just need a little patience. Unfortunately, time is something a lot of us in the S scale arena don't have a ton of. I think also that in the coming decade S scale interest will drop off considerably because it's a generational thing. People leaving the hobby are doing it for obvious reasons. People coming into the hobby seem to go with other scale trains. The good news here is offsetting that, a raft of baby boomers from the S scale generation are about to retire and this should kick up demand while they look for something to do. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54534	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

BRUCE, spray WD40 to both the smoke stack (to saturate the wick) and the chug cylinder (to free up the greese).  Let the WD40 set several hours or better overnight for the new smoke wick. A day before a train show, I spray all steam locomotives smoke stacks (with smoke in boiler units) with WD40. They smoke much better. The WD40 loosens up the dried/gummy oil and itself creates smoke like smoke oil.  Hope this helps, John F. Metzger (johnm63379). ________________________________ From: Bruce D. Willis <willisbd@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:26:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo I've never run into this before. I replaced the smoke wick in a 302 AC. I have 2 problems. First, I only get smoke at higher voltages. It smoked great when I connected the transformer leads directly to the locomotive as a test, but when I added the tender it only smoked at high voltages. I guess the reverse unit is soaking up voltage. However, the motor runs faster when the tender is connected. I'm confused. Second, there is no choo-choo sound. I greased the cylinder slightly to get a better seal for the smoke piston. If some of the grease got into the air hole, would that prevent the choo-choo sound? The smoke (at high voltage) is still puffing, so the air is getting through. Thanks. - Bruce W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54535	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: A little Smoke And NO Choo-Choo

Hi Bruce, Hmm, many factors here, maybe I can cover them all, maybe not! OK, gonna have to take the puppy apart first (sorry!) check just the smoke unit with an ohm meter, should be around 35 ohms, less means you crossed one of the nichrome windings and it will burn out quickly, more means. . . well, any number of things! too much wire is one. (30 to 45 ohms is ok). The wire connection isn't actually soldered, as solder won't stick to the nichrome wire, that'w why you wind it around the soldering lug, so the solder touches a lot of it. 302AC doesn't usually have the "fifth wire" going to it, but you can add it, if this is a "runner" and that will help. mis-wiring the locomotive can also cause this, I don't have diagrams handy, but one can wire the smoke unit in series with the field or armature, and things will run, just won't run right! Check with the usual suspects for wiring diagrams. No Choo-Choo, can be many things. Since you re-did the smoke element, it can be too high in the chamber and that reduces the free-flow of air through the unit (and will bubble the fiber top too) a spider can put a little nest in the choo hole and silence it. If you took the choo plate out and put it in backwards, that can also quiet it down. Grease is only used on the smoke units that have the die-cast piston, the carbon disk pistons are self-lubricating--that's why ACG went to them. Hope this helps! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54536	From: momhondo	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Lionel Mikado

Has anyone replaced a cherry switch in a Lionel AFl Mikado? Would appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks Dick Purnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54537	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Friends, I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54538	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: SHS YouTube Videos

I added a couple of SHS Videos done on the layout. One is the 2-8-0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4f3jWQvcZI&feature=channel_page The other is a NYC F7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqXw-hTR_k&feature=channel_page Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54539	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

Never grease a smoke piston......Or oil a reverse unit... Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 05/25/2009 4:48:19 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, willisbd@... writes: I've never run into this before. I replaced the smoke wick in a 302 AC. I have 2 problems. First, I only get smoke at higher voltages. It smoked great when I connected the transformer leads directly to the locomotive as a test, but when I added the tender it only smoked at high voltages. I guess the reverse unit is soaking up voltage. However, the motor runs faster when the tender is connected. I'm confused. Second, there is no choo-choo sound. I greased the cylinder slightly to get a better seal for the smoke piston. If some of the grease got into the air hole, would that prevent the choo-choo sound? The smoke (at high voltage) is still puffing, so the air is getting through. Thanks. - Bruce W. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54540	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are interested in paying their value. They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. Make sense?? Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 05/25/2009 2:52:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cornwall9@... writes: Friends, I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603 **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54541	From: george leidinger	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: EP-5

Give me call George Leidinger  203 759 1407 --- On Sat, 5/23/09, pete.henningsen <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote: From: pete.henningsen <amerflyerwanted@...> Subject: [S-Trains] EP-5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 9:26 PM Looking to acquire a New Haven EP-5 for a repaint project. Thanks, Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54542	From: wisner_mark	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: SHS YouTube Videos

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote: > > Enjoyed the Videos. Kind of got the juices flowing. Got the bench work complete next step to order the SHS Track. WIS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54543	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Steve, For what Nick is willing to pay, I think a switcher in Good to less condition that smokes would suffice. Apparently, Nick is an operator, not a collector, so the condition of the loco (scratches, dents, missing tender steps, rust on rails, etc.) should not matter to him. Anyone that has what we would consider a "junker" 0-8-0 should contact him. That's the only way he won't pay upwards of $300 for a clean 342/343. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are interested in paying their value. They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. Make sense?? Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 05/25/2009 2:52:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cornwall9@... writes: Friends, I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603 **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54544	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: My take on used toy train prices...

One of the reasons new people aren't coming into S gauge is because they see the prices of the old trains and pass S by. Most are runners, not collectors, and they don't have the feeling for old trains. However, the economic downturn and the number of people coming in being well below those "leaving" S gauge is having an effect. At the recent Spring S Spree I saw several nice 0-8-0s and 4-8-4s for under $300. and most still didn't sell. The vendors were complaining that the bottom was falling out of the used Flyer market. (It fell out of the Postwar Lionel market some years ago.) One particular fellow was distressed because he had restored a bunch of stuff and was trying to pass it off as "Mint" original at stratosphereic prices. (Maybe $750. for a restored 4-8-4 is too high? Duh!) Actually, items in less than "Excellent" condition and common items are heading down toward realistic prices. No toy train should be worth more than twice it's original price unless it is "Mint" or "Excellent." After all, beyond that it's just a USED TOY! Now, I know there are a bunch of collectors who think A.C. Gilbert sat on the right hand of God and his trains are perfect, and they will write heated rebutals to this message. But the fact is, Postwar Flyer is mechanically no better than Postwar Lionel. Old A.C. was in the TOY business, he'd probably get a chuckle over the value some folks put on his toy trains now. But I think he'd be sad that more people couldn't enjoy his trains. I have to rebuild junkers to get what I want to run. Folks who can't do what I do have no choice and are often priced out of the scale or the hobby altogether, and that's a shame! Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire suit now...Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54545	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Hi all I just got one on ebay (342dc) for 199.00. Looks great easy to convert to ac. I run at shows so I too look for things that I can run all day. I guess it 's all about timing. I was the only bidder. Good luck. Harold ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:28:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are interested in paying their value. They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. Make sense?? Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 05/25/2009 2:52:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: Friends, I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603 ************ **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122182 3249x1201398664/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072& hmpgID=62& bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54546	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Some time back I was looking for an 0-8-0 also. At that time I found none under $300. in running condition. Most went higher, and some MUCH higher. I ended up with a shell and chassis with most of the valve gear for $35. and built one from that into my 2-8-0. Later on, a friend dealt me an 0-8-0 that had been rebuilt for $250. and I felt that was a great price. However, at the Spring S Spree I saw several 0-8-0 and 4-8-4 engines with an asking price under $300. and one 0-8-0 for $265. These were in very nice shape, so the prices are coming down. The economic downturn is having it's effect, and the hobby is aging, so the number of buyers is shrinking, especially those who can buy the expensive stuff. Fortunately, locos below "Excellent" condition and the common stuff is coming back down to realistic prices. However, a running, smoking $200. 0-8-0? You're going to have to be patient for a while yet! Stumpy Stone...running everything like it was meant to be...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54547	From: michael prell	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: SHS YouTube Videos

Carl, Two very nice videos. Thanks for presenting them. The detail that you gave to the geologic landscaping was beautiful, not to mention the locomotive power! Nice work, Sir! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SHS YouTube Videos To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:03 PM I added a couple of SHS Videos done on the layout. One is the 2-8-0: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Z4f3jWQvcZI& feature=channel_ page The other is a NYC F7 http://www.youtube com/watch? v=giqXw-hTR_ k&feature= channel_page Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54548	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Actually I have never owned one of these locos for the very reason that I believe, with the quantity always available, that they are definitely overpriced. I suspect that their price has more to do with Stock Market mentality than any real value. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are interested in paying their value. They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. Make sense?? Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 05/25/2009 2:52:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cornwall9@yahoo. <mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com> com writes: Friends, I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603 **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May> com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=http://www.freecredit report.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54549	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

As Stumpy says, patience is the key. I acquired a 342 in March for well under $200. Scratched but no dents and barely running as it arrived. After a new smoke wick, reverse fingers, brushes and springs, turning the commutator and replacing the lights with LEDs it runs and smokes nicely. The parts total is under $20 but there is some time invested. I would do the same service to any loco new to the stable. Am I gloating? No. The point is that there are affordable locos out there if you are willing to do a little service work. And there are plenty of good folks on this list who provide advice for free. The parts cost a little but often come with free advice. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote: > > Actually I have never owned one of these locos for the very reason that I > believe, with the quantity always available, that they are definitely > overpriced. I suspect that their price has more to do with Stock Market > mentality than any real value. Alistair > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54550	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: question

What the heck is a cherry switch. I know what a Mikado is. Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54551	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Friends, First, I want to thank everyone that responded to my request. I see that my explanation was inadequate so I will try to clarify it. > > I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it > is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way > above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating > condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are > interested in paying their value. > They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. > Make sense?? > > Steve > SnS Trains I am certain that you feel my request was ludicrous but as a realist, I know that, as many have stated in response, I will find what I am looking for at the price I want. I have always followed a simple rule. A toy train is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because someone puts a $500.00 price tag on it, does not mean it is "worth" $500.00. I also do not mean to insult anyone but I figure if I have a rare piece of anything and I need to make the mortgage payment, the choice is simple. Sell the "rare" thing and keep my home. It now becomes what I can get for it. If I am lucky, some crazy collector will knock on my door and ask if I have the item and will be willing to pay the ultimate price for it. On the other hand, I need the money by Friday and don't have it. My next door neighbor is willing to buy it now for the amount of money I need by Friday. It now becomes his "rare" item. I am not looking for "mint" condition. I am looking for one that runs. I have the ability and time to repair one that has no broken frame or drivers. I love working on them and making them operational. I just do not want to spend $500.00 to buy the necessary parts, that is kind of stupid. I also can live if I do not get one tomorrow. My request is not based on a desperate "need", it was for a TOY train, not medicine or food. I have many fine HO scale locomotives and Tons of fancy electronics for computerized signaling and operation of my scale pike. All have been purchased at prices I wanted to pay or by bartering something someone else wanted from my own stash or my services as a computer geek. No disrespect but "collectors" involved in the hobby are a lot like lawyers or politicians. A good portion of them do not love the hobby. They are only in it for the money. This is what is killing the hobby. Kids do not have $500.00 for your "rare" trains and most of them will look at something more easily accessible like a Nintendo. Mom and Dad can buy it almost anywhere. A Toy train requires someone interested in the hobby to seek it out. WAKE up Boys, the hobby is dying only because the access to our passion is no longer in every drug store or hardware store in every town. You might have the rarest train in the world but you will eventually die owning it and you kids will sell it to some auctioneer for 10 cents on the dollar just to get rid of the "mess" because they were not allowed to play with them. I want to play with them now and I want to encourage the kids in my rural area to learn to love them as much as I do. I served as a Boy Scout Counselor for the Railroad Merit Badge for over 7 years. I was able to see that most kids had never enjoyed the traditional train around the tree, They were facinated to see a 50 year-old American Flyer make smoke and choo-choo noises on a loop of track. I helped a couple of kids start their own layouts and they have a future of enjoyment they can continue. I will continue my search and eventually, I will find what I want, at a reasonable price for a TOY train that I can run. It is simply a matter of waiting. There are a lot of auctions in our rural paper. You never know, a lot of collector's wives only want to reclaim the space the collection took up and they want it gone, NOW. Regards, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54552	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: My take on used toy train prices...

I couldn't agree with Stumpy more. I am probably one of the youngest S Scalers you'll find (35) and the only reason I am interested in Flyer is because my Dad had a set when he was a boy that we set up when I was 5. Now, I have taken ownership of the trains and have set them up for my son (3). I look at some of the prices on eBay for some of the more "collectible" items and I can't believe some one would pay those kind of prices. One has to be an operator before you "catch the bug," and it's hard to justify buying a collectible item before you even are capable of valuing a colllection. Further, if any my friends wanted to get into model trains, I would suggest that they go with HO. I went to a train show recently (no Flyer, btw) and was just amazed at the number of engines that were ~100 bucks. I do love S Scale, and would love to be able to widen my Flyer collection....but I'm along way from being able to justify that kind of money on a Toy. Also, each Flyer engine has it's quarks, and if I'm going to pay a premium, I surely want the train to run. With SHS, you get the best looking and running engines - no quarks. I'd much rather pay for engine that will run and stay on the tracks. AJ in Portland On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > One of the reasons new people aren't coming into S gauge is because they > see the prices of the old trains and pass S by. Most are runners, not > collectors, and they don't have the feeling for old trains. > However, the economic downturn and the number of people coming in being > well below those "leaving" S gauge is having an effect. At the recent Spring > S Spree I saw several nice 0-8-0s and 4-8-4s for under $300. and most still > didn't sell. The vendors were complaining that the bottom was falling out of > the used Flyer market. (It fell out of the Postwar Lionel market some years > ago.) One particular fellow was distressed because he had restored a bunch > of stuff and was trying to pass it off as "Mint" original at stratosphereic > prices. (Maybe $750. for a restored 4-8-4 is too high? Duh!) > Actually, items in less than "Excellent" condition and common items are > heading down toward realistic prices. No toy train should be worth more than > twice it's original price unless it is "Mint" or "Excellent." After all, > beyond that it's just a USED TOY! > Now, I know there are a bunch of collectors who think A.C. Gilbert sat on > the right hand of God and his trains are perfect, and they will write heated > rebutals to this message. But the fact is, Postwar Flyer is mechanically no > better than Postwar Lionel. Old A.C. was in the TOY business, he'd probably > get a chuckle over the value some folks put on his toy trains now. But I > think he'd be sad that more people couldn't enjoy his trains. > I have to rebuild junkers to get what I want to run. Folks who can't do > what I do have no choice and are often priced out of the scale or the hobby > altogether, and that's a shame! > Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire suit now...Appalachia. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54553	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

Hi Steve,   ====== Never grease a smoke piston......Or oil a reverse unit... Steve SnS Trains ======   I agree on the piston part but using an electrically conductive lubricant, like CRC 2-12, is effective for sticky reversing units. The product is made for this purpose and will actually improve the performance of the unit. By the same token, drowning anything in lube is not the correct method. Moderation is recommended.   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54554	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado

Hi Dick,   The switch itself is easy, getting to it is somewhat difficult.  The engine shell comes off farily easily, just beware of all the wiring for the lights, radio, etc.  The switch is between the rear set of drivers, there is a board with all kinds of TMCC electrical that should come off to get access to the switch.    Steve Lunde --- On Mon, 5/25/09, momhondo <Dmjp@...> wrote: From: momhondo <Dmjp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 2:31 PM Has anyone replaced a cherry switch in a Lionel AFl Mikado? Would appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks Dick Purnell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54555	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

I acquired a 343 about three years ago. Here is the story. I received a call from a friend that runs S-Scale, that he had seen a 343 at the local Antique Mall where he lives, about 45 miles from me. He asked if I was still buying AF pieces, and suggested that I come up and look at this engine. A local owner had it at the Mall, on consignment, for $75.00. Needless to say, the next day I made the trip, expecting to find a junker. I was wrong on that assumption. Altough, very dirty and quite a bit of paint missing it was complete, and in decent shape. I did buy it, cleaned it up, repainted, and ended up with a very respectable 343. It ran great and smoked like it was supposed to. You know the saying about being in the right place at the right time. Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: hchenion@... Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 05:12:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run Hi all I just got one on ebay (342dc) for 199.00. Looks great easy to convert to ac. I run at shows so I too look for things that I can run all day. I guess it 's all about timing. I was the only bidder. Good luck. Harold ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:28:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are interested in paying their value. They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. Make sense?? Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 05/25/2009 2:52:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: Friends, I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603 ************ **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122182 3249x1201398664/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072& hmpgID=62& bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54556	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: question

Cherry is the brand name for a line of small, mechanically activated switches. Honeywell Microswitch is another manufacturer of similar products. I don't have the locomotive so can't be sure but my guess is that L used the Cherry switch in the design to sense speed of the drive and control the sound effects.   Bill Drake Thundering and lightning along in St. Louis --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] question To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 12:22 PM What the heck is a cherry switch. I know what a Mikado is. Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54557	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Nick, Since I don't like being grouped into your definition of a "collector", I will have you know that I have been collecting AF since the mid '70's because I played with them as a child in the 50's. I am a collector that is not just in it for the money, as you say. I am in the hobby because I love my trains and I have a layout. But, realistically, along the way, all collectors will attain a rare piece now and then. And, recognizing the rarity of a particular piece, we smartly recognize that it can't be treated like any run of the mill 302 Atlantic or a Casey Jones. There has to come a time that we recognize the rarity, desirability, and yes, the worth of a particular piece. No matter how hard you try, unless you run into a lady that doesn't know what she has, you are going to pay market value for whatever it is you are trying to buy. As a point of order, witness the car collector auctions. Even in this economy and despite the fact that early muscle cars are only enjoyed, for the most part, by those in their 50's and up (sound familiar?) there are record prices being garnered for those cars. That hobby is not dying and our hobby is not dying either. As long as most of us live (I hope at least another 20 years or so), the hobby will thrive. Even early tinplate in good shape has retained it's value and has even increased in value, despite the fact that a lot of the men that played with them have passed on. You mention that most collectors are like lawyers and politicians. I submit that anyone that is waiting for "that collector's wife wanting to reclaim space" and expects to pay "what they want to pay" for any item, irrespective of that item's worth is, at best, an opportunist. I'm trying to be polite here. (No disrespect intended). Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: cornwall9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run Friends, First, I want to thank everyone that responded to my request. I see that my explanation was inadequate so I will try to clarify it. > > I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it > is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way > above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating > condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are > interested in paying their value. > They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. > Make sense?? > > Steve > SnS Trains I am certain that you feel my request was ludicrous but as a realist, I know that, as many have stated in response, I will find what I am looking for at the price I want. I have always followed a simple rule. A toy train is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because someone puts a $500.00 price tag on it, does not mean it is "worth" $500.00. I also do not mean to insult anyone but I figure if I have a rare piece of anything and I need to make the mortgage payment, the choice is simple. Sell the "rare" thing and keep my home. It now becomes what I can get for it. If I am lucky, some crazy collector will knock on my door and ask if I have the item and will be willing to pay the ultimate price for it. On the other hand, I need the money by Friday and don't have it. My next door neighbor is willing to buy it now for the amount of money I need by Friday. It now becomes his "rare" item. I am not looking for "mint" condition. I am looking for one that runs. I have the ability and time to repair one that has no broken frame or drivers. I love working on them and making them operational. I just do not want to spend $500.00 to buy the necessary parts, that is kind of stupid. I also can live if I do not get one tomorrow. My request is not based on a desperate "need", it was for a TOY train, not medicine or food. I have many fine HO scale locomotives and Tons of fancy electronics for computerized signaling and operation of my scale pike. All have been purchased at prices I wanted to pay or by bartering something someone else wanted from my own stash or my services as a computer geek. No disrespect but "collectors" involved in the hobby are a lot like lawyers or politicians. A good portion of them do not love the hobby. They are only in it for the money. This is what is killing the hobby. Kids do not have $500.00 for your "rare" trains and most of them will look at something more easily accessible like a Nintendo. Mom and Dad can buy it almost anywhere. A Toy train requires someone interested in the hobby to seek it out. WAKE up Boys, the hobby is dying only because the access to our passion is no longer in every drug store or hardware store in every town. You might have the rarest train in the world but you will eventually die owning it and you kids will sell it to some auctioneer for 10 cents on the dollar just to get rid of the "mess" because they were not allowed to play with them. I want to play with them now and I want to encourage the kids in my rural area to learn to love them as much as I do. I served as a Boy Scout Counselor for the Railroad Merit Badge for over 7 years. I was able to see that most kids had never enjoyed the traditional train around the tree, They were facinated to see a 50 year-old American Flyer make smoke and choo-choo noises on a loop of track. I helped a couple of kids start their own layouts and they have a future of enjoyment they can continue. I will continue my search and eventually, I will find what I want, at a reasonable price for a TOY train that I can run. It is simply a matter of waiting. There are a lot of auctions in our rural paper. You never know, a lot of collector's wives only want to reclaim the space the collection took up and they want it gone, NOW. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54558	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

I can't resist the opportunity to chime in on the topic. Just as we have a range of costs for locomotives and rolling stock now, the same was true during Gilbert production years. I was a very lucky kid and had a 302 AC, a 303, a 287, a 370, a Franklin and a Silver Rocket A-A along with many pieces of rolling stock and accessories - enabling a 12 x 8 foot layout. But I did not expect to have an 0-8-0 or a 4-8-4 as these were "adult" pieces and not for kids. They were out of the price range at that time.   Today the cost of an Atlantic, most Pacifics and some of the diesels is not in the collector rarefied atmosphere category. They are all suitable for kids and adults to enter the hobby and enjoy S gauge. Just as no one would complain about rare 5 digit box cars putting the hobby out of reach, it is not reasonable to state that the price of an 0-8-0 or a 4-8-4 puts the hobby out of reach. There are alternatives that are acceptable.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Tue, 5/26/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 12:41 PM Friends, First, I want to thank everyone that responded to my request. I see that my explanation was inadequate so I will try to clarify it. > > I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it > is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way > above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating > condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are > interested in paying their value. > They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. > Make sense?? > > Steve > SnS Trains I am certain that you feel my request was ludicrous but as a realist, I know that, as many have stated in response, I will find what I am looking for at the price I want. I have always followed a simple rule. A toy train is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because someone puts a $500.00 price tag on it, does not mean it is "worth" $500.00. I also do not mean to insult anyone but I figure if I have a rare piece of anything and I need to make the mortgage payment, the choice is simple. Sell the "rare" thing and keep my home. It now becomes what I can get for it. If I am lucky, some crazy collector will knock on my door and ask if I have the item and will be willing to pay the ultimate price for it. On the other hand, I need the money by Friday and don't have it. My next door neighbor is willing to buy it now for the amount of money I need by Friday. It now becomes his "rare" item. I am not looking for "mint" condition. I am looking for one that runs. I have the ability and time to repair one that has no broken frame or drivers. I love working on them and making them operational. I just do not want to spend $500.00 to buy the necessary parts, that is kind of stupid. I also can live if I do not get one tomorrow. My request is not based on a desperate "need", it was for a TOY train, not medicine or food. I have many fine HO scale locomotives and Tons of fancy electronics for computerized signaling and operation of my scale pike. All have been purchased at prices I wanted to pay or by bartering something someone else wanted from my own stash or my services as a computer geek. No disrespect but "collectors" involved in the hobby are a lot like lawyers or politicians. A good portion of them do not love the hobby. They are only in it for the money. This is what is killing the hobby. Kids do not have $500.00 for your "rare" trains and most of them will look at something more easily accessible like a Nintendo. Mom and Dad can buy it almost anywhere. A Toy train requires someone interested in the hobby to seek it out. WAKE up Boys, the hobby is dying only because the access to our passion is no longer in every drug store or hardware store in every town. You might have the rarest train in the world but you will eventually die owning it and you kids will sell it to some auctioneer for 10 cents on the dollar just to get rid of the "mess" because they were not allowed to play with them. I want to play with them now and I want to encourage the kids in my rural area to learn to love them as much as I do. I served as a Boy Scout Counselor for the Railroad Merit Badge for over 7 years. I was able to see that most kids had never enjoyed the traditional train around the tree, They were facinated to see a 50 year-old American Flyer make smoke and choo-choo noises on a loop of track. I helped a couple of kids start their own layouts and they have a future of enjoyment they can continue. I will continue my search and eventually, I will find what I want, at a reasonable price for a TOY train that I can run. It is simply a matter of waiting. There are a lot of auctions in our rural paper. You never know, a lot of collector's wives only want to reclaim the space the collection took up and they want it gone, NOW. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54559	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Nick, I think the $200 range is a bit low for one, even in Parts only cond,But you should be able to get one for $300 a lot easier. Mike In a message dated 5/26/2009 10:55:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cornwall9@... writes: Friends, First, I want to thank everyone that responded to my request. I see that my explanation was inadequate so I will try to clarify it. > > I am a little puzzled as to why anyone would sell an 0-8-0 for less than it > is worth. Since they run in value from above your wish prices to way way > above your wish prices It isn't likely you will find one in good operating > condition for less than it is worth. I have two for sale if you are > interested in paying their value. > They are both in excellent condition so begin from there. > Make sense?? > > Steve > SnS Trains I am certain that you feel my request was ludicrous but as a realist, I know that, as many have stated in response, I will find what I am looking for at the price I want. I have always followed a simple rule. A toy train is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because someone puts a $500.00 price tag on it, does not mean it is "worth" $500.00. I also do not mean to insult anyone but I figure if I have a rare piece of anything and I need to make the mortgage payment, the choice is simple. Sell the "rare" thing and keep my home. It now becomes what I can get for it. If I am lucky, some crazy collector will knock on my door and ask if I have the item and will be willing to pay the ultimate price for it. On the other hand, I need the money by Friday and don't have it. My next door neighbor is willing to buy it now for the amount of money I need by Friday. It now becomes his "rare" item. I am not looking for "mint" condition. I am looking for one that runs. I have the ability and time to repair one that has no broken frame or drivers. I love working on them and making them operational. I just do not want to spend $500.00 to buy the necessary parts, that is kind of stupid. I also can live if I do not get one tomorrow. My request is not based on a desperate "need", it was for a TOY train, not medicine or food. I have many fine HO scale locomotives and Tons of fancy electronics for computerized signaling and operation of my scale pike. All have been purchased at prices I wanted to pay or by bartering something someone else wanted from my own stash or my services as a computer geek. No disrespect but "collectors" involved in the hobby are a lot like lawyers or politicians. A good portion of them do not love the hobby. They are only in it for the money. This is what is killing the hobby. Kids do not have $500.00 for your "rare" trains and most of them will look at something more easily accessible like a Nintendo. Mom and Dad can buy it almost anywhere. A Toy train requires someone interested in the hobby to seek it out. WAKE up Boys, the hobby is dying only because the access to our passion is no longer in every drug store or hardware store in every town. You might have the rarest train in the world but you will eventually die owning it and you kids will sell it to some auctioneer for 10 cents on the dollar just to get rid of the "mess" because they were not allowed to play with them. I want to play with them now and I want to encourage the kids in my rural area to learn to love them as much as I do. I served as a Boy Scout Counselor for the Railroad Merit Badge for over 7 years. I was able to see that most kids had never enjoyed the traditional train around the tree, They were facinated to see a 50 year-old American Flyer make smoke and choo-choo noises on a loop of track. I helped a couple of kids start their own layouts and they have a future of enjoyment they can continue. I will continue my search and eventually, I will find what I want, at a reasonable price for a TOY train that I can run. It is simply a matter of waiting. There are a lot of auctions in our rural paper. You never know, a lot of collector's wives only want to reclaim the space the collection took up and they want it gone, NOW. Regards, Nick Kulp **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54560	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: question

A cherry switch is what my mom would pull off a cherry tree to swat my behind all the way home if I went to a friend's house to play without asking her.  Usually, tough, it was an elm switch...  :)  Man, I still remember that fifty-some years ago!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:22:25 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] question What the heck is a cherry switch. I know what a Mikado is. Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54561	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Bruce, Obviously, I unintentionally offended you and I apologize for that. The "collectors" I referred to are exactly that, Opportunists, not hobbyists. By my definition, you are NOT a collector. You are a hobbyist. I have a lot of trains but I do not consider myself a collector. I am not afraid to run them, or throw away a box that has deteriorated from 50 years of packing and unpacking. I also refuse to take advantage of someone's misfortune by convincing them that a $500.00 locomotive is only worth $25.00. I have often contacted friends with better resorces than myself to help someone selling their collection in hard times. I am not trying to look like a saint either. I have bought trains at auctions well under the "collector's" prices but that is a bit different than contacting someone that has just lost their spouse knowing that they had a train collection and have no idea how to liquidate it. THAT is an opportunist. I have very personal experience in this area. Hobbyists love to share their enjoyment of the hobby. My definition of a collector only looks at the hobby as an "investment". They intentionally claim "rare or collectible" to hike the price. You can see it on ebay all of the time. The sad part is, there are some people that do not know the difference and "know" old toy trains are "valuable", so they end up paying some shyster a bunch of money for a "rare" 300 Atlantic. My great problem is that I did see a lot of nice 0-8-0 locos at York in April. I just did not buy one at that time. I saw prices as low as $175.00 in the Red hall. Hindsight is 20-20. I plan to attend York in October and I am confident that I will find what I want there. If not, then it is just not the right time or place. Somewhere, sometime, there will be an 0-8-0 available for the price I want to pay. If not, I was not meant to own one. Again, my apologies if I offended you. It was not my intention. I am an idealist, there are not many of us left. Lindest regards, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ===== Since I don't like being grouped into your definition of a "collector", I will have you know that I have been collecting AF since the mid '70's because I played with them as a child in the 50's. I am a collector that is not just in it for the money, as you say. I am in the hobby because I love my trains and I have a layout. But, realistically, along the way, all collectors will attain a rare piece now and then. And, recognizing the rarity of a particular piece, we smartly recognize that it can't be treated like any run of the mill 302 Atlantic or a Casey Jones. There has to come a time that we recognize the rarity, desirability, and yes, the worth of a particular piece. No matter how hard you try, unless you run into a lady that doesn't know what she has, you are going to pay market value for whatever it is you are trying to buy. =====

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54562	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Walthers

I just got a order in from Walthers and in the box was a flyer announcing they are going to be carrying the entire line of Lionel products, over 500 plus items. I am not sure how this will effect the smaller operations that sell Lionel products. I am not sure if they mean AF Lionel products. www.walthers.com Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54563	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Backstop

I ordered a fence that was to be O scale, that looked pretty good on the website. However, when I got it, the links where just too big, bigger than G scale. The fence was professionally made, as it was 2 inches high, which would be close to 10 feet, which is what a backstop height would be. So, now to search again. I was thinking window screen material would be okay, as I am not sure how much I would have to buy! So, while making a Dill Sauce for tonight's Grill Salmon dish, I notice the kitchen strainer I was using is perfect. The links are very small squares and metal, steel. Sooooo, I will sacrifice one kitchen strainer for the good of my train layout. LOL I will buy a new one, as it was less then 3 dollars I am sure. Oh, the Salmon Sauce? 3 tablespoons Mayo, light is fine, 3 tablespoons of squeezed lemon juice through the strainer, 1.5 teaspoons of Dijon Mustard and 1.25 teaspoons of Dillweed. Grill the salmon, serve on cooked product. Sauce goes go on Asparagus. Linda said I would do well on a Cooking or a Cat yahoo group, where their are lots of women. LOL Bon Appetite. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54564	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

While the effective electrical connection part of that statement may well be true, putting anything that is a lubricant on the reverse unit drum is big trouble. It will goo up the cogs and the pawl that operates it, causing it to stick. That's a fact and no getting around it. The metal of the pawl and the plastic of the cog just love to stick together..It's better to just clean everything to the extreme and leave it as the factory made it. Nowhere in any Gilbert repair manual is it recommended to lubricate the reverse unit. Steve In a message dated 05/26/2009 11:55:55 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cornwall9@... writes: Hi Steve, ====== Never grease a smoke piston......Never grease a smoke piston. Steve SnS Trains ====== I agree on the piston part but using an electrically conductive lubricant, like CRC 2-12, is effective for sticky reversing units. The product is made for this purpose and will actually improve the performance of the unit. By the same token, drowning anything in lube is not the correct method. Moderation is recommended. Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54565	From: John	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers

I have been getting their free flyer in the mail. Basically it's a HO catalog. Lots of nice stuff if you model HO So I canceled it and said thanks but no thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Walthers I just got a order in from Walthers and in the box was a flyer announcing they are going to be carrying the entire line of Lionel products, over 500 plus items. I am not sure how this will effect the smaller operations that sell Lionel products. I am not sure if they mean AF Lionel products. www.walthers.com Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54566	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Concrete Floor Pad for Layout

Hi All, Someone asked about what to use on a concrete floor in a basement layout room. I used a rubber type mat I found at Big Lots. Each pad is about 24" x 24" and there were several in each package. This was several years ago but it seems like a package was around $10. I've seen similar pads recently in different colors at Sam's Club or Walmart for children's rooms. The pad is about 1/2" thick and you can stand on them for hours and not have a sore back! Fortunately for me the new train room is on the second floor and is carpetted. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54567	From: Ed	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers

Go to the site: www.walthers.com Look in left hand column for advance search and click on it Select your category, your choice Select your scale "S" Then see what they have in "S", very surprising, a lot of "S", not just Lionel. Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:35 PM To: S Trains; Toy Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Walthers I just got a order in from Walthers and in the box was a flyer announcing they are going to be carrying the entire line of Lionel products, over 500 plus items. I am not sure how this will effect the smaller operations that sell Lionel products. I am not sure if they mean AF Lionel products. www.walthers.com Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54568	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers

On the Walthers web site you can enter 434-648062 in the search area and up should come the beginning of the AF by L offerings. Not everything is apparently available as some have no links to place orders.   Bill Drake --- On Tue, 5/26/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Walthers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 5:18 PM I have been getting their free flyer in the mail. Basically it's a HO catalog. Lots of nice stuff if you model HO So I canceled it and said thanks but no thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains ; Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Walthers I just got a order in from Walthers and in the box was a flyer announcing they are going to be carrying the entire line of Lionel products, over 500 plus items. I am not sure how this will effect the smaller operations that sell Lionel products. I am not sure if they mean AF Lionel products. www.walthers. com Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54569	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Hi Nick, I wanted an 0-8-0 myself and watched eBay closely for several weeks. I won the following lot for $450: 283 302 307 310 312 342AC The 342AC is in excellent shape and all it needed was a little cleaning on the reverse unit. The others also had sticky reverse units too. So hang in there and you'll find an inexpensive 0-8-0 sooner or later! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Friends, > > I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. > > I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. > > I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. > > Thanks for any help, > Nick Kulp > TCA # 05-59603 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54570	From: michael prell	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: question

Left quite an impression,did it?{;>)   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 5/26/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 2:01 PM A cherry switch is what my mom would pull off a cherry tree to swat my behind all the way home if I went to a friend's house to play without asking her.  Usually, tough, it was an elm switch...  :)  Man, I still remember that fifty-some years ago!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:22:25 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] question What the heck is a cherry switch. I know what a Mikado is. Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54571	From: John	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Realistic Model Railroad Operation

Someone a while back was looking for realistic model railroad operation information. I ran across this book by Model Railroader in my web searches http://books.google.com/books?id=orbWT5ZnLOcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=koester+railroad#PPP1,M1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54572	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

I'm sorry, but I'm not a flyer expert or collector - although I have maybe 285 pieces in my collection. Over the years (38) I have purchased all types of toy trains that I liked and felt were a good buy(?). My problem is that I don't always know what the experts are talking about when they don't list a manufacturer's catalog number for the item. I see that one may be a 342? I gather from the postings that there may be several 0-8-0 engines (I may even have one). So what are the AF engines that have the 0-8-0 configuration for this discussion? There can't be to many or the prices would not be an issue. I also run into this problem when just the engine name is mentioned, such as Pacific. Thanks. Ted Walton ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54573	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Prices on anything anywhere are up and down, depending on who needs something at that time. something of like item, might go way above a "guide" book, as a guide book is just a guide, or it might go way below the guide book. It is all about timing, as I have gotten things on ebay and at shows for less and more the posted guide books. You will in time find something in your price range. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run Hi Nick, I wanted an 0-8-0 myself and watched eBay closely for several weeks. I won the following lot for $450: 283 302 307 310 312 342AC The 342AC is in excellent shape and all it needed was a little cleaning on the reverse unit. The others also had sticky reverse units too. So hang in there and you'll find an inexpensive 0-8-0 sooner or later! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Friends, > > I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. > > I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. > > I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. > > Thanks for any help, > Nick Kulp > TCA # 05-59603 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54574	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: S scale Organ

I need to find a S scale organ, so that the ballpark will have a live organist. The organist will be like the "It's" man from the beginning of the Monty Python show. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54575	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Robert Graves provides a very valuable service with the Gilbert Gallery. See, for example: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Switcher.html ________________________________ From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:36:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run I'm sorry, but I'm not a flyer expert or collector - although I have maybe 285 pieces in my collection. Over the years (38) I have purchased all types of toy trains that I liked and felt were a good buy(?). My problem is that I don't always know what the experts are talking about when they don't list a manufacturer' s catalog number for the item. I see that one may be a 342? I gather from the postings that there may be several 0-8-0 engines (I may even have one). So what are the AF engines that have the 0-8-0 configuration for this discussion? There can't be to many or the prices would not be an issue. I also run into this problem when just the engine name is mentioned, such as Pacific. Thanks. Ted Walton ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54576	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Thanks, Nick. No apology necessary. I think we're on the same page. It's tough to get someone's real intent via email, since there is a lack of eye contact, inflection, and the like. I, too, have bought some items under value over the years, and like you, have never taken advantage of anyone. One in particular was an offering at a flea market back in the seventies when I picked up a 24060 box car in excellent condition for the asking price of $5.00. Even back then, that was a steal. If you saw one 0-8-0 for $175 there will be others next time at York. Since you have no problem with a "fixer", you should be able to find one, but it is tougher to find the 0-8-0s in other than EX or better, or restored, as mentioned by one of the guys on the list. I used to be able to find them in any condition in the 70's, but the prices have sky-rocketed since then and guys started to realize that they could get more for one restored than one scratched all to hell. Good luck to you. I hope you find your 0-8-0, sooner rather than later. In fact, if I see something that might interest you, I'll keep you in mind. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: cornwall9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run Bruce, Obviously, I unintentionally offended you and I apologize for that. The "collectors" I referred to are exactly that, Opportunists, not hobbyists. By my definition, you are NOT a collector. You are a hobbyist. I have a lot of trains but I do not consider myself a collector. I am not afraid to run them, or throw away a box that has deteriorated from 50 years of packing and unpacking. I also refuse to take advantage of someone's misfortune by convincing them that a $500.00 locomotive is only worth $25.00. I have often contacted friends with better resorces than myself to help someone selling their collection in hard times. I am not trying to look like a saint either. I have bought trains at auctions well under the "collector's" prices but that is a bit different than contacting someone that has just lost their spouse knowing that they had a train collection and have no idea how to liquidate it. THAT is an opportunist. I have very personal experience in this area. Hobbyists love to share their enjoyment of the hobby. My definition of a collector only looks at the hobby as an "investment". They intentionally claim "rare or collectible" to hike the price. You can see it on ebay all of the time. The sad part is, there are some people that do not know the difference and "know" old toy trains are "valuable", so they end up paying some shyster a bunch of money for a "rare" 300 Atlantic. My great problem is that I did see a lot of nice 0-8-0 locos at York in April. I just did not buy one at that time. I saw prices as low as $175.00 in the Red hall. Hindsight is 20-20. I plan to attend York in October and I am confident that I will find what I want there. If not, then it is just not the right time or place. Somewhere, sometime, there will be an 0-8-0 available for the price I want to pay. If not, I was not meant to own one. Again, my apologies if I offended you. It was not my intention. I am an idealist, there are not many of us left. Lindest regards, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ===== Since I don't like being grouped into your definition of a "collector", I will have you know that I have been collecting AF since the mid '70's because I played with them as a child in the 50's. I am a collector that is not just in it for the money, as you say. I am in the hobby because I love my trains and I have a layout. But, realistically, along the way, all collectors will attain a rare piece now and then. And, recognizing the rarity of a particular piece, we smartly recognize that it can't be treated like any run of the mill 302 Atlantic or a Casey Jones. There has to come a time that we recognize the rarity, desirability, and yes, the worth of a particular piece. No matter how hard you try, unless you run into a lady that doesn't know what she has, you are going to pay market value for whatever it is you are trying to buy. ===== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54577	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: My take on used toy train prices...

Good discussion and more civilized than I expected. A couple of points: 1. I've been involved in the antique car and hot rod hobby for a lot of years. Don't believe everything you see on those TV auto auctions! The Barrett-Jackson auction sells only very premium cars as a rule and those buyers are generally working for some rich dude who doesn't care what he spends, or IS the rich guy. What you don't see is the same cars going back on the block. Round and round they go until someone gets burned badly by paying too much. (Sound familiar?) In the real world, you can't give a Model T or A away for a third of what it takes to restore one today. Ten years ago the fifties cars were big, now it's muscle cars. Once they've been priced beyond reason, the "collectors" move on. Hot Rods tend to be looked at more as artwork in metal so their value stays reasonably stable. Most real old car enthusiasts end up putting way more into a car than they ever get out, but do it because they love cars. Like the toy train hobby, the car hobby is aging with the Baby Boomers as you see almost no teeners or twenty somethings at Shows or Cruise-Ins. Auto racing is also seeing similar aging problems. 2. New people getting into old Flyer are less likely to be collectors today because there are no "entry level" deals to be had for a new collector. An investor doesn't want to come in when a market is priced at it's peak because they'll get burned. (Sound like investors in homes and stocks who got fried?) Most of what few new folks I've met are people who want to enjoy their trains, not make money. Just look at the high number of posts that have to do with running, or fixing stuff old Flyer. They'd like to have more trains, but can't or won't pay the stiffest prices for "rare" items. They find another way. This doesn't mean the era of the collector is over, far from it! As prices come down, "would be collectors" may come in as they see an entry levelin prices. But I hope folks that love trains get a shot at more stuff in the mean time. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains for fifty years...in rainy east Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54578	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Lionel

Mike, a Lionel dealer told me that all the production is coming from overseas, no more manufacturing in the USA. Lionel's shipping will change to drop shipments direct from overseas. Only dealers that have the resources to buy a full shipping container of merchandise will be able to stay in the game. Small dealers will be at the mercy of the dealers that can afford drop shipments direct from overseas. This information may or may not be accurate. But the market is changing. Operators are going to the DCC / TMCC type of control, and more Flyer is showing up at the meets. With more trains being dug out of the basements because the younger generation in more interested in electronic games, instant gratification, they don't want to spend time building any thing, they want it all right now. Remember the slot car craze that bit into trains in the "60" . Just my thoughts Jerry ____________________________________________________________ Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpd6yms3RIER80CP00x5QPzyDXhMCBpwa1MaqB2QEwzPa4zopvK/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54579	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: MORE "S"CRAPS FOR SALE

I have the following S residue for sale : - EIGHT SHS hi-rail wheels w/pointed axles (part # 00025) - Asking $6.00 - FOUR SHS AF compatible freight couplers (part # 00005) - asking $4.00 Not sure where the following items came from... MAYBE from an AM / NASG Heavyweight passenger car : - TWO AF compatible couplers (has narrow shank & small round hole for mounting) - Asking $2.00 - TWO scale-head dummy couplers (has narrow shank & small round hole for mounting) - Asking $2.00 All items total = $14.00 + shipping Buy it all for $12.00 + shipping Shipping will be $3 for individual items or $5 for everything. Please contact me DIRECT ONLY at : scaler187@... Thanks. John Degnan Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54580	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel

SORT OF true, but not exactly. Lionel has retained direct sale to their top 14 dealers. All other dealers have to purchase through a distributor. This removes Lionel from shipping to numerous smaller dealers, and saves them a lot of labor costs, I'm sure. This change is already in effect, with the 2009 product line. At the same time, Lionel has initiated MAP (minimum advertised pricing)....no dealer can advertise prices lower than the Lnl-established MAP. Note that this is NOT MSP (minimum sales pricing. They can sell at any price they wish....only their advertised pricing is affected. Doug Peck Port Lines. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > Mike, a Lionel dealer told me that all the production is coming from > overseas, no more manufacturing in the USA. Lionel's shipping will > change to drop shipments direct from overseas. Only dealers that have > the resources to buy a full shipping container of merchandise will be > able to stay in the game. Small dealers will be at the mercy of the > dealers that can afford drop shipments direct from overseas. This > information may or may not be accurate.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54581	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Flyer Loco's

It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. So when some greedy guy says "pay upward of $300" he is only trying to perpetuate the inflated prices now charged. The fact that some have purchased 5 or 6 of the same loco and are now trying to make a "killing" loses sight of how much it really cost to produce that loco. The original manufacturing cost is some how lost. All these people that have purchased multiple copies of the same item (You see them displayed in their cabinets or on the walls when they show picture spreads of their items and layouts) can expect to be "stuck" with them. Now that we (for the most part) are feeling pinched financially they cannot expect us to perpetuate their high priced ways. People don't live forever and I have never-never seen a UHAUL on the back of a hearse. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54582	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

What you have to do is consider how much it would cost to reproduce the exact same engine, with the exact same materials in today's prices. If Lionel reproduced this switcher with the same materials at today's prices, you could expect to pay upwards of $500 for this engine. (Witness the prices of the Alcos reproduced by Lionel in the 80's). Because these items were mass produced for costs in 50's dollars is not a fair assessment. With that logic, do you expect to pay 25 cents a gallon for gas because that's what it cost back in the 50's? Please take that into consideration when you make your argument. I have no dog in this fight. I like to purchase things at a reasonable price too. Just be reasonable in your expectations. You can't expect to buy items today at 50's prices. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. So when some greedy guy says "pay upward of $300" he is only trying to perpetuate the inflated prices now charged. The fact that some have purchased 5 or 6 of the same loco and are now trying to make a "killing" loses sight of how much it really cost to produce that loco. The original manufacturing cost is some how lost. All these people that have purchased multiple copies of the same item (You see them displayed in their cabinets or on the walls when they show picture spreads of their items and layouts) can expect to be "stuck" with them. Now that we (for the most part) are feeling pinched financially they cannot expect us to perpetuate their high priced ways. People don't live forever and I have never-never seen a UHAUL on the back of a hearse. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54583	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

I agree Jack. My point is exactly that there are far more than enough to go around and the price is artificial. I do feel sorry for the honest dealers who probably paid good money for these things and are going to increasingly be left with them. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack Nowosielski Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 AM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. So when some greedy guy says "pay upward of $300" he is only trying to perpetuate the inflated prices now charged. The fact that some have purchased 5 or 6 of the same loco and are now trying to make a "killing" loses sight of how much it really cost to produce that loco. The original manufacturing cost is some how lost. All these people that have purchased multiple copies of the same item (You see them displayed in their cabinets or on the walls when they show picture spreads of their items and layouts) can expect to be "stuck" with them. Now that we (for the most part) are feeling pinched financially they cannot expect us to perpetuate their high priced ways. People don't live forever and I have never-never seen a UHAUL on the back of a hearse. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54584	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Hi Jack,   ==== It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. <snip> =====   I have been a model railroader for over 50 years now. This trend is not unique to Toy train collectors, it is a failing among the scale modelers as well. I am fortunate enough to own a LOT of brass HO scale models. I have purchased them over a long time and I have paid a variety of prices for them but I have NEVER been obliged to pay more than I felt they are worth. A well-known modeler was recently interviewed on camera and he said, "Most brass models purchased today will never actually be run. They will be placed in showcases and displayed because the second-worst sound in the world is a $5000.00 locomotive hitting the floor."   My spin on this is, GET OUT OF TOY TRAINS and collect art. Trains have MOTORS in them, gearboxes, electrical pickups. They are made to be painted like the prototype, run at the head end of trains of toy train cars. They may look like art but they have a true purpose, to facinate the beholder by their complex moving valve gear, stroking pistons, flashing siderods. (Diesels have no character, they are painted noisy boxcars). My second spin is ,HOW CAN A TOY TRAIN POSSIBLY BE WORTH $5000.00 ?? At my income level, a toy should not cost more than "reliable" transportation. This is only possible because someone with more money than brains figured out that by driving the prices up into space, he could be "king of the hill" and dictate their value. These folks create "investment value". It is similar to the "oil shortage". I have all of the oil, I can create a shortage to raise prices.   My biggest joy is finding exactly what I wanted at exactly the price I am willing to spend, usually in front of my cronies. Brass prices follow the same pattern. I can say the piece is worth $5000.00, but until I find someone to pay that much for it, it is a glorified knick-knack, collecting dust somewhere. I love the hobby and get a lot of pleasure from it but I have enough sense to know when someone offers to sell me a bridge, it better be a really nice bridge because I intend to pay with a check from the bank I own <grin>.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54585	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Jack, from what I read of your post..Gilbert made a 343 for say $40.00 & sold it foer $60.00 So If I have one I shoulds sell it for $70.00 otherwise I profit too much? I think Iwas the one that posted for $200 you MIGHT get a parts 343..but expect to pay a min of $300 for a decent one. Mike PS: By the way I sold the 343 to Stumpy for $250. Because I knew he would use it & it fit his needs with the can motor already installed In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:07:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. So when some greedy guy says "pay upward of $300" he is only trying to perpetuate the inflated prices now charged. The fact that some have purchased 5 or 6 of the same loco and are now trying to make a "killing" loses sight of how much it really cost to produce that loco. The original manufacturing cost is some how lost. All these people that have purchased multiple copies of the same item (You see them displayed in their cabinets or on the walls when they show picture spreads of their items and layouts) can expect to be "stuck" with them. Now that we (for the most part) are feeling pinched financially they cannot expect us to perpetuate their high priced ways. People don't live forever and I have never-never seen a UHAUL on the back of a hearse. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54586	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Based on your statements, I would like to purchase ALL your mass produced, AF. If you don't have the prices I can supply them from old AF catalogs. I'm willing to pay retail rather than the original production costs as you suggest. Hope you have a few 0-8-0's and 4-8-4's and some of the rarer box cars and tankers. By the way, do you have any old coins, tin toys etc.? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. So when some greedy guy says "pay upward of $300" he is only trying to perpetuate the inflated prices now charged. The fact that some have purchased 5 or 6 of the same loco and are now trying to make a "killing" loses sight of how much it really cost to produce that loco. The original manufacturing cost is some how lost. All these people that have purchased multiple copies of the same item (You see them displayed in their cabinets or on the walls when they show picture spreads of their items and layouts) can expect to be "stuck" with them. Now that we (for the most part) are feeling pinched financially they cannot expect us to > perpetuate their high priced ways. > People don't live forever and I have never-never seen a UHAUL on the back of a hearse. > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54587	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Hi Ted,   ===== My problem is that I don't always know what the experts are talking about when they don't list a manufacturer's catalog number for the item. I see that one may be a 342? I gather from the postings that there may be several 0-8-0 engines (I may even have one). So what are the AF engines that have the 0-8-0 configuration for this discussion? There can't be to many or the prices would not be an issue.   I also run into this problem when just the engine name is mentioned, such as Pacific. Thanks. =====   Welcome to the world of Scale model railroading Vs. Toy Trains.   To Toy train collectors, the item is always about the manufacturer's number on the item. For example, an American Flyer 312 is actually a PRR K5 Pacific but Toy Train collectors must call it a 312 because American Flyer made several variations of the 312. Smoke in boiler vs Smoke in tender. Reversing unit in boiler vs reverser in tender, etc. Scale modeler's will always use the prototype designation like PRR K5, Ney York Central Hudson, Alco PA,, etc. because the scale model is based on that designation, not the number the manufacturer used for the model. Even terms like "mechanism" when used to describe the drivers and chassis will get scornful looks from "purists" of the Toy Train genre.   This is not unique to American Flyer alone. The 3-rail crowd follows this system as well, even back into the early days of Standard Guage. It probably started because early toy trains rarely had anything to do with being a scale model. Most were only a mere guess of a real locomotive designed to be a toy and run on tracks.   That said, the locomotive I would like to have is based on the USRA 0-8-0 locomotive design. In the book, Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains by David Doyle, that particular locomotive has 15 different variations including both AC and DC. The next version is the 343 with 5 versions shown, then we get into the 5-digit catagory (only one) 21145. This version is as rare as a unicorn, hence a hefty price tag of $700.00 in Like new (C-8) condition. This price will be disputed by many "collectors" as too low (because they own one and want their investment to reflect an increase in value). I, on the other side of the spectrum, feel that a loco is only worth what the buyer is willing to spend. Should I ever find one, I would more than likely, put it on the track and run it. Probably to the disappointment of many. I feel that a TOY train was designed to be run, not considered as part of an investment portfolio. =====   Disclaimer.. The opinions expressed in my reply are my own and worth exactly whatever money you wish to pay for them. Cash is requested. <grin>   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54588	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Yea, BUT, LIONEL will then shoot us all in the head and blow out X number of remaining units so no one does well, but LIONEL because they have covered their costs. Jim "bet I know that for a fact" Lyle In a message dated 5/27/2009 2:00:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goatfarm@... writes: If Lionel reproduced this switcher with the same materials at today's prices, you could expect to pay upwards of $500 for this engine **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54589	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Bruce,   You make an excellent point. 1950's dollars bought a lot more. I sold bread by Home-Delivery in 1968 for $.35 for a large loaf. I also was able to survive on $100.00 per week on a 7% draw commission.   What you seem to forget is that we can no longer be ABLE to produce American Flyer trains in this country. Alomost EVERY toy train made today is made in China. American business is no longer concerned with domestic growth, it's only goal is the profit margin.   Toy trains were made for children's entertainment. Granted, profit was the goal, but we used American labor, land, and materials to provide a return for that profit. Foreign manufacturers were making "junk". I can remember when "made in Japan" was the way to identify products to avoid. Assembled in America is NOT, MADE in America. =====   With that logic, do you expect to pay 25 cents a gallon for gas because that's what it cost back in the 50's?   ===== Bad analogy, gas prices went up only because someone created a "shortage" and created a panic. As soon as prices went up, a miracle happened. Oil became available again. It still goes on today. ===== I like to purchase things at a reasonable price too.  Just be reasonable in your expectations.  You can't expect to buy items today at 50's prices. ===== A logical and reasonable statement. When I create a piece of furniture. I charge a fair price based on my expenses materials, and time. I do not base my price on what it will be worth when I am dead and become another Stickley. A lot of "collectors" create the rarity of an item simply to command a high price. More power to them. They will die with that piece still clutched in their hands if their expectations remain inflexible.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54590	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

Steve,   ===== While the effective electrical connection part of that statement may well  be true, putting anything that is a lubricant on the reverse unit drum is big  trouble. It will goo up the cogs and the pawl that operates it, causing it to  stick. That's a fact and no getting around it. The metal of the pawl and the  plastic of the cog just love to stick together..It's better to just clean  everything to the extreme and leave it as the factory made it. Nowhere in any  Gilbert repair manual is it recommended to lubricate the reverse unit. Steve =====   As a person involved in many years of train repairs as well as a background in electronics and electro-mechanical design, I can respect your opinion and simply agree to disagree. A lot of items are made exactly for this purpose. I am willing to wait 50 years to see if I'm wrong. I will gladly send an email apology at that time <grin>   Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54591	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Still, I know for a fact that things cost more today than they did in the 50's. You can't escape that logic. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's Yea, BUT, LIONEL will then shoot us all in the head and blow out X number of remaining units so no one does well, but LIONEL because they have covered their costs. Jim "bet I know that for a fact" Lyle In a message dated 5/27/2009 2:00:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goatfarm@... writes: If Lionel reproduced this switcher with the same materials at today's prices, you could expect to pay upwards of $500 for this engine **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54592	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: 342 FOR SALE....

1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00               BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY......... FAIR DEAL!!!!!! 35.00 for 35.00!!!!.... Each pays own shipping!!!!       Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54593	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....

GOOD ANSWER!!! Cash is always king Tom -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 3:27 pm Subject: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... 1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00               BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY......... FAIR DEAL!!!!!! 35.00 for 35.00!!!!.... Each pays own shipping!!!!       Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54594	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....

Bob, You're right - gold was about $35/ounce in the 50s. Today it is $950/ounce. So I guess my American Flyer goodies are not as good as gold - how sad! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > 1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00 >   >   >   >   >   >   >   > BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY......... FAIR DEAL!!!!!! 35.00 for 35.00!!!!.... Each pays own shipping!!!! >   >   >   > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54595	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....

OK but are you sure you won't accept $35.00 worth of 78 rpm records in 50's new prices? In the 1950's prices that would be about 12 records. I would be making a slight profit as they now sell for about 50 cents each for ordinary records or 5 bucks for ones available in the same quantities as 0-8-0 Flyer locos. LOL Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:57 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... 1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00 BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY......... FAIR DEAL!!!!!! 35.00 for 35.00!!!!.... Each pays own shipping!!!! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54596	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Note that new locomotives are in the $100's of dollars range reflecting that inflation has about a x 10 multiplier on costs of items in the '40's. so a $30 locomotive in the late '40's would be about a $300 loco today. Factor in that it is used and about $200 isn't too bad an amount.   The 0-8-0 and 4-8-4 were high end in the AF line and produced in more limited numbers than Atlantics and Pacifics. Not surprising that they cost more now just as they did then.   My collecting interest is focused on engineering and technical achievements of Gilbert. I own several of a similar item so I can evaluate how the product changed over its time of production. I operate all of my items when I can (including my original 587 and 588 signals) (no layout at the moment due to moving). However, I expected to pay market value for the items. People value the 0-8-0 higher than an Atlantic because of several reasons - not only because of greed. I like its appearance. In general it is a better operating piece than some of the other locos. Being able to double head, front and rear couple and operate at slower speeds than the passenger drivered locos are all part of why I like them. These factors alone would justifying paying more for a 342 or 343 than for a 21160 for me.   As to current production: there is an auction this weekend that has two S scale brass Hudsons listed with expected values of $80 each. These were manufactured recently and probably cost more than that new. Good deals for operators, but will require painting and may have scale wheels .. but a little work and ...   If you bought an 0-8-0 for $75, worked on it some to get it operating, then didn't want it any more for some reason, would you offer it for $75 or would you ask the $300?   Bill Drake --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:45 AM It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. So when some greedy guy says "pay upward of $300" he is only trying to perpetuate the inflated prices now charged. The fact that some have purchased 5 or 6 of the same loco and are now trying to make a "killing" loses sight of how much it really cost to produce that loco. The original manufacturing cost is some how lost. All these people that have purchased multiple copies of the same item (You see them displayed in their cabinets or on the walls when they show picture spreads of their items and layouts) can expect to be "stuck" with them. Now that we (for the most part) are feeling pinched financially they cannot expect us to perpetuate their high priced ways. People don't live forever and I have never-never seen a UHAUL on the back of a hearse. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54597	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: 342AC

Guys, Thanks for all the buzz on this site about the 0-8-0's. It made me take mine (only one I have) off the display shelves and run it for a while! Not that I don't anyway, but still.... It smokes like crazy and runs like a fine watch. I can understand the appeal of these locomotives. As "toys" they are VERY nice. Of course, when I was a kid, I couldn't afford one. That's why I have one now. ;>) BTW, I got it, and a lot of other Flyer, YEARS ago from a Lionel collector who just wanted a reasonable amount for the "S" he got in a large "O" transaction. The condition of things in that deal ran from excellent to junk. The good stuff was cleaned and runs from time to time. The "junk" still serves as fodder for bashing and repainting. Everything on my shelves runs, and runs well. If it doesn't, then I have even more fun making it run! Jerry Runnin' in Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54598	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

I think it is important to separate collectors from speculators. Collectors accumulate for any number of reasons, speculators accumulate for profit. As a collector, I occasionally sell items that I am no longer interested in or that I have found another that I like better. About half the time I wind up selling for less than my purchase price. The new piece has enough additional interest that it is worth it and I generate some cash for the next purchase (or the credit card payment as the case may be). I don't try to corner the market or drive up the prices just to turn a profit, but I am not going to sell below market just to let the next buyer score a killing.   All speculators run the risk of betting wrong - check out those who bought real estate in the last ten years, or General Motors or Chrysler stock. Today's train market is down so it is a good time to find that piece that was out of reach during the peak. But it may still be out of reach and as you say - no need to buy it if it is above the value to you. I would like a Rolls Royce for the price of a Kia - after all it is just a car. Those nasty automobile afficionados are keeping the Rolls prices artificially inflated just to deprive honest citizens from enjoyable transportation.   Bill Drake --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 1:57 PM Hi Jack,   ==== It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. <snip> =====   I have been a model railroader for over 50 years now. This trend is not unique to Toy train collectors, it is a failing among the scale modelers as well. I am fortunate enough to own a LOT of brass HO scale models. I have purchased them over a long time and I have paid a variety of prices for them but I have NEVER been obliged to pay more than I felt they are worth. A well-known modeler was recently interviewed on camera and he said, "Most brass models purchased today will never actually be run. They will be placed in showcases and displayed because the second-worst sound in the world is a $5000.00 locomotive hitting the floor."   My spin on this is, GET OUT OF TOY TRAINS and collect art. Trains have MOTORS in them, gearboxes, electrical pickups. They are made to be painted like the prototype, run at the head end of trains of toy train cars. They may look like art but they have a true purpose, to facinate the beholder by their complex moving valve gear, stroking pistons, flashing siderods. (Diesels have no character, they are painted noisy boxcars). My second spin is ,HOW CAN A TOY TRAIN POSSIBLY BE WORTH $5000.00 ?? At my income level, a toy should not cost more than "reliable" transportation. This is only possible because someone with more money than brains figured out that by driving the prices up into space, he could be "king of the hill" and dictate their value. These folks create "investment value". It is similar to the "oil shortage". I have all of the oil, I can create a shortage to raise prices.   My biggest joy is finding exactly what I wanted at exactly the price I am willing to spend, usually in front of my cronies. Brass prices follow the same pattern. I can say the piece is worth $5000.00, but until I find someone to pay that much for it, it is a glorified knick-knack, collecting dust somewhere. I love the hobby and get a lot of pleasure from it but I have enough sense to know when someone offers to sell me a bridge, it better be a really nice bridge because I intend to pay with a check from the bank I own <grin>.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54599	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Tit for tat, a dollar in 1950 was worth a lot more than a dollar is today. Remember 5c Cokes and 10c hamburgers? Thus a loco that cost $5 then, would cost a ton more than that today. (and they do). It's all relative. Someone buying a loco for $30 in 1975 and holding on to it to sell today would have to get a lot more than today's prices to break even on buying power. As previously stated, a loco is worth whatever a person is willing to pay for it. I'd love to have some 0-8-0s at under $199 myself....Any offers? . In a message dated 05/27/2009 12:07:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: It's interesting that one s-gauger wants to buy an 0-8-0 for $199 or less, but is cautioned that he "should" be willing to pay over $300. for "quality". We should probably remember that the bulk of American Flyer loco's were made in the fortys and fiftys. Massed produced at anywhere from $ 2.00 thru maybe $25 or $30 dollars tops. So when some greedy guy says "pay upward of $300" he is only trying to perpetuate the inflated prices now charged. The fact that some have purchased 5 or 6 of the same loco and are now trying to make a "killing" loses sight of how much it really cost to produce that loco. The original manufacturing cost is some how lost. All these people that have purchased multiple copies of the same item (You see them displayed in their cabinets or on the walls when they show picture spreads of their items and layouts) can expect to be "stuck" with them. Now that we (for the most part) are feeling pinched financially they cannot expect us to perpetuate their high priced ways. People don't live forever and I have never-never seen a UHAUL on the back of a hearse. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54600	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: A Little Smoke And No Choo-Choo

Well Amigo, I'm 71 years old and have been repairing, and running Flyer locos since 1959. You put goop on the reverse unit and it will find it's way to the plastic and the pawl and it WILL stick. I have repaired and or replaced several HUNDRED reverse units. I have a large number of them in a box under my shop work bench. When I find myself slow on work (fixing Flyer) I clean them up, polish the drums and sell them to dealers around the country. I hope you do live long enough to see the ones you have treated go South. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54601	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....

Very Funny....... Steve In a message dated 05/27/2009 2:33:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: 1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00 BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY........in gold coins.... US ONLY........<WBin gold coins.... US ONLY....... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54602	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Bill,   ===== The 0-8-0 and 4-8-4 were high end in the AF line and produced in more limited numbers than Atlantics and Pacifics. Not surprising that they cost more now just as they did then. ===== Guaranteed correct. I agree that these locomotives are truly one of the premier pieces made by American Flyer. I also agree that a Ferrari is worth more in original condition than some houses. On the other hand, how many Ferrari owners allow their 4 year-old children to drive them on the highway , then expect to sell it to someone without a loss after they have been crashed into concrete walls? A crushed ferrari is only worth the scrap metal value, not the price of a new one because the metal was from a collectible. =====   I operate all of my items when I can (including my original 587 and 588 signals)    ===== Attaboy ! I have 3 #761 semaphores and a #695 reversing relay that I use for multi-train operation. I could use a plain relay to do the same thing but using the original equipment for it's intended purpose makes it more fun. My pleasure is recreating the fun I had when my father set up our Christmas layout with his #290 Pacific and #322AC Hudson in the 1950's. It started me on the road of model railroading and to design layouts with a degree of automation incorporated into them.   I used to own several HO scale Riverossi steam locos, purchased in the 1970's when they were $29.95 retail price. Over the years, Rivarossi prices started climbing through the roof. I also ownded one of the original Lionel 0-4-0 HO scale switchers made by the same company.   I ran all of them on my layouts over the years. When I focused my purchases on the prototype railroad I wanted to model, I sold them for a little more than what I paid for them, but still below $75.00.  I refused to sell them for the ridiculous prices the newer pieces were selling for. The molds were identical and there was no improvement in the mechanisms, only a slightly better motor. This was hardly worth a 1000% increase in price. They ran and the folks that purchased them were happy to afford them. The outcome, I converted older, excess equipment into some cash to purchase newer equipment. A win-win situation and I do not have anyone's first-born child to care for.   ===== If you bought an 0-8-0 for $75, worked on it some to get it operating, then didn't want it any more for some reason, would you offer it for $75 or would you ask the $300? ===== Sell me an 0-8-0 for $75.00 that is repairable and parts are available and I will offer it back to you in the same condition that you sold it to me for that price. I will strip the repair parts that I paid for and look for another basket case. It might be a few years though before I get "tired" of it. You can use this response as the contract. Will you need shipping costs? They will be considered part of the $75.00 price if you do.   That is not a reasonable question. Was I told it was not working before I purchased it?  Did it work, no. Did I spend money on repair parts. Yes. Would I expect my original price in return. No. I would expect to receive the amount of money I put into the piece for the repairs to be considered, plus the fact it is now a functioning piece. The only monetary loss is what I value my time to be. That is the only non-monetary investment, and only I can determine if I need that considered in the sale price.   As for the brass Hudsons, I already have two 322 Hudsons. They smoke, choo-choo and run like Swiss watches. Why would I want two more that I would have to paint? <grin> Kindest regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54603	From: biglou2_99	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: FOR SALE

HI, i have the following for sale, contact me off list at lglumac@... rubber roadbed straight = $2.50, curves $1.50 track straight = $1, curves = $0.25 24556 car loads $20 per car i have all colors still available street lights $20 each #579 dark or light green,and a few double light ones,most without bulbs engine 4-8651 $100 cars $20 each, all in boxes but some have been used once. 48317,48806,48323,4316,48324,48609,48312,48321,48313,48807.48319,9701,9101,9300,9400

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54604	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

Nick, I haven't forgot that we can't produce AF trains in this country and with those same materials. This, actually, makes my point even stronger and verifies the value of the trains of yesteryear. If you can't get anything like it today, supply and demand dictates the price. Trains, like salt and pepper shakers, baseball cards, and other collectibles were meant to use and abuse. But, like all things not available for any price (old cars, old trains, etc. etc.) unable to be reproduced in today's market will, if there is a demand for the item, raise in value. It's inevitable. There is no faux price fix here. Like everything else, supply dictates demand and demand dictates price. This logic, in my opinion, is inescapable. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's Bruce, You make an excellent point. 1950's dollars bought a lot more. I sold bread by Home-Delivery in 1968 for $.35 for a large loaf. I also was able to survive on $100.00 per week on a 7% draw commission. What you seem to forget is that we can no longer be ABLE to produce American Flyer trains in this country. Alomost EVERY toy train made today is made in China. American business is no longer concerned with domestic growth, it's only goal is the profit margin. Toy trains were made for children's entertainment. Granted, profit was the goal, but we used American labor, land, and materials to provide a return for that profit. Foreign manufacturers were making "junk". I can remember when "made in Japan" was the way to identify products to avoid. Assembled in America is NOT, MADE in America. ===== With that logic, do you expect to pay 25 cents a gallon for gas because that's what it cost back in the 50's? ===== Bad analogy, gas prices went up only because someone created a "shortage" and created a panic. As soon as prices went up, a miracle happened. Oil became available again. It still goes on today. ===== I like to purchase things at a reasonable price too. Just be reasonable in your expectations. You can't expect to buy items today at 50's prices. ===== A logical and reasonable statement. When I create a piece of furniture. I charge a fair price based on my expenses materials, and time. I do not base my price on what it will be worth when I am dead and become another Stickley. A lot of "collectors" create the rarity of an item simply to command a high price. More power to them. They will die with that piece still clutched in their hands if their expectations remain inflexible. Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54605	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....

I would love to get my hands on the 980 series of boxcars/reefers for about 10 bucks each. Also, the five digit versions. That's more than double what they charged for them back in the late 50's. While I'm at it, I could use a UP and MP Passenger set for about $300 per set. That's almost three times what they sold for during the same time period. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: tomminil@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... GOOD ANSWER!!! Cash is always king Tom -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 3:27 pm Subject: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... 1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00 BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY......... FAIR DEAL!!!!!! 35.00 for 35.00!!!!.... Each pays own shipping!!!! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54606	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....

Remember, supply and demand dictates price. 78 rpm records are a dime a dozen. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... OK but are you sure you won't accept $35.00 worth of 78 rpm records in 50's new prices? In the 1950's prices that would be about 12 records. I would be making a slight profit as they now sell for about 50 cents each for ordinary records or 5 bucks for ones available in the same quantities as 0-8-0 Flyer locos. LOL Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:57 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... 1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00 BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY......... FAIR DEAL!!!!!! 35.00 for 35.00!!!!.... Each pays own shipping!!!! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54607	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/27/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

But that is the very point Bruce. With these locos it is obvious that supply exceeds demand judging by the number on sale and unsold on eBay and elsewhere! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's Nick, I haven't forgot that we can't produce AF trains in this country and with those same materials. This, actually, makes my point even stronger and verifies the value of the trains of yesteryear. If you can't get anything like it today, supply and demand dictates the price. Trains, like salt and pepper shakers, baseball cards, and other collectibles were meant to use and abuse. But, like all things not available for any price (old cars, old trains, etc. etc.) unable to be reproduced in today's market will, if there is a demand for the item, raise in value. It's inevitable. There is no faux price fix here. Like everything else, supply dictates demand and demand dictates price. This logic, in my opinion, is inescapable. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's Bruce, You make an excellent point. 1950's dollars bought a lot more. I sold bread by Home-Delivery in 1968 for $.35 for a large loaf. I also was able to survive on $100.00 per week on a 7% draw commission. What you seem to forget is that we can no longer be ABLE to produce American Flyer trains in this country. Alomost EVERY toy train made today is made in China. American business is no longer concerned with domestic growth, it's only goal is the profit margin. Toy trains were made for children's entertainment. Granted, profit was the goal, but we used American labor, land, and materials to provide a return for that profit. Foreign manufacturers were making "junk". I can remember when "made in Japan" was the way to identify products to avoid. Assembled in America is NOT, MADE in America. ===== With that logic, do you expect to pay 25 cents a gallon for gas because that's what it cost back in the 50's? ===== Bad analogy, gas prices went up only because someone created a "shortage" and created a panic. As soon as prices went up, a miracle happened. Oil became available again. It still goes on today. ===== I like to purchase things at a reasonable price too. Just be reasonable in your expectations. You can't expect to buy items today at 50's prices. ===== A logical and reasonable statement. When I create a piece of furniture. I charge a fair price based on my expenses materials, and time. I do not base my price on what it will be worth when I am dead and become another Stickley. A lot of "collectors" create the rarity of an item simply to command a high price. More power to them. They will die with that piece still clutched in their hands if their expectations remain inflexible. Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54608	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Loco's

I'm sorry, Alistair, but I disagree with you. The economy right now is the cause of most of the ills with most everything involving non-essential buys these days. Most folks are hurting. Once the economy turns around, funds will be available for extraneous purchases. Food and board must take precedence right now. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's But that is the very point Bruce. With these locos it is obvious that supply exceeds demand judging by the number on sale and unsold on eBay and elsewhere! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's Nick, I haven't forgot that we can't produce AF trains in this country and with those same materials. This, actually, makes my point even stronger and verifies the value of the trains of yesteryear. If you can't get anything like it today, supply and demand dictates the price. Trains, like salt and pepper shakers, baseball cards, and other collectibles were meant to use and abuse. But, like all things not available for any price (old cars, old trains, etc. etc.) unable to be reproduced in today's market will, if there is a demand for the item, raise in value. It's inevitable. There is no faux price fix here. Like everything else, supply dictates demand and demand dictates price. This logic, in my opinion, is inescapable. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Loco's Bruce, You make an excellent point. 1950's dollars bought a lot more. I sold bread by Home-Delivery in 1968 for $.35 for a large loaf. I also was able to survive on $100.00 per week on a 7% draw commission. What you seem to forget is that we can no longer be ABLE to produce American Flyer trains in this country. Alomost EVERY toy train made today is made in China. American business is no longer concerned with domestic growth, it's only goal is the profit margin. Toy trains were made for children's entertainment. Granted, profit was the goal, but we used American labor, land, and materials to provide a return for that profit. Foreign manufacturers were making "junk". I can remember when "made in Japan" was the way to identify products to avoid. Assembled in America is NOT, MADE in America. ===== With that logic, do you expect to pay 25 cents a gallon for gas because that's what it cost back in the 50's? ===== Bad analogy, gas prices went up only because someone created a "shortage" and created a panic. As soon as prices went up, a miracle happened. Oil became available again. It still goes on today. ===== I like to purchase things at a reasonable price too. Just be reasonable in your expectations. You can't expect to buy items today at 50's prices. ===== A logical and reasonable statement. When I create a piece of furniture. I charge a fair price based on my expenses materials, and time. I do not base my price on what it will be worth when I am dead and become another Stickley. A lot of "collectors" create the rarity of an item simply to command a high price. More power to them. They will die with that piece still clutched in their hands if their expectations remain inflexible. Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54609	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Nick, Hate to tell you this, but the 21145 would disappoint you--not that it runs any better or worse than the other versions of the 0-8-0, but that two-step reverse unit is a pain in the putoi! Funny, when I got mine (back in my high school days) I was disappointed in it because it didn't have a built-in whistle (I hadn't yet heard one, so I didn't know any better! :) ), and also because of the two-step reverse unit. LIttle did I know then what it would be worth now. . . But wait, I don't plan on selling it! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54610	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: 342 FOR SALE....

Well there is plenty of gold around - there are many thousands of tons buried in vaults in one location in your country and the price, like the Flyer locos is artificially high. But we could go on forever. I don't want one at that price and from the correspondence neither do some others? Those that want them - grab them. We others can wait a few years until the Gilbert 0-8-0 Tulip boom busts. In all areas of model train collecting supply is gradually exceeding demand as older members give up the hobby and the Baby Boomers retiring no longer have the disposable income in this economic climate. In any case this supply of new retired collectors/operators giving impetus to the movement is a myth. The well proven Nostalgia Factor theory states that the surge occurs when these people reach their forties and the pressure of work wanes and gives them some leisure time at a time when their disposable income is at its greatest. That surge has been and gone. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... Remember, supply and demand dictates price. 78 rpm records are a dime a dozen. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... OK but are you sure you won't accept $35.00 worth of 78 rpm records in 50's new prices? In the 1950's prices that would be about 12 records. I would be making a slight profit as they now sell for about 50 cents each for ordinary records or 5 bucks for ones available in the same quantities as 0-8-0 Flyer locos. LOL Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:57 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] 342 FOR SALE.... 1 EX 342 0-8-0 SWITCHER FOR SALE.... NICE AND WILL RUN.... 35.00 BUT since this 35.00 is a 1950 ish PRICE I will only accept PAYMENT of 1 ounce of GOLD at 35.00 / ounce which is 1950 ish price or 35.00 face value in gold coins.... US ONLY......... FAIR DEAL!!!!!! 35.00 for 35.00!!!!.... Each pays own shipping!!!! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54611	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

A friend of mine, highly placed in this hobby, collects HO when he collects at all. He will go to gatherings of "us" and remind those in earshot that they would probably make LOTS more money and ADVANCE the hobby if they lowered their prices and actually turned material over. He thinks this would allow far more people to be able to afford and participate in the hobby. RADICAL thinking to say the least. Anecdotally, when I first returned to this insanity, I HAD to have a Flyer (247)20 coach. Found a guy with 6 tables (max allowed) he knew he had one, would find it, comeback. I did, he did, we got to a price, I was "happy" and left. Found out later he had a trailer load of the stuff, most of which he trailed home, regularly. Gas/fuel was much less expensive at the time. I wondered at the time how many sales he could have made if the stuff was "affordable"??? I only mention that sale, yet, I know I now have far more than I can ever use, here also. If you're thinking silly, bring a truck and money. Jim "livin' on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle In a message dated 5/28/2009 4:03:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: Nick, Hate to tell you this, but the 21145 would disappoint you--not that it runs any better or worse than the other versions of the 0-8-0, but that two-step reverse unit is a pain in the putoi! Funny, when I got mine (back in my high school days) I was disappointed in it because it didn't have a built-in whistle (I hadn't yet heard one, so I didn't know any better! :) ), and also because of the two-step reverse unit. LIttle did I know then what it would be worth now. . . But wait, I don't plan on selling it! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54612	From: muniman18	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: 342 PX ETC

Gentlemen, and ladies, I work in the bond market. and I read with intrest all the banter abt prices,funny I agree with everyone. What it comes down too is that everything is worth what someone is willing to pay. Today is today not 1950 My first boss always said "there are bulls there are bears and there are pigs,and only the pigs get slaughtered". Patience is always the best Wait, it will come to you soon. Great point and counter point though. enjoyed all the posts Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54613	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: And the final price is?

You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculators are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculator will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54614	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: AMEN

To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54615	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Thanks Stumpy,   ====== You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare.  We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains.  It's USED.  No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) =======   You have stated my point perfectly. Most toy trains have been "played" with, used as they were intended. Unless every seller has the loco disassembled for inspection, we all rely on the integrity of the seller to be an honest person. We cannot see stripped gears, burned out motors, cracked frames (personal experience on ebay), or any other problems that might be known or about to happen. On more than one occasion I have purchased a piece of equipment at a show only to find out later that it no longer works. Some were repairable, some became pieces in the parts box. In those cases, I do not buy from that person again if it was intentional. I also make sure my friends on these lists know who it was and to be aware of his dishonesty.   A lot of my body parts are worn out too but all of them are older than 25 years which makes them antiques. Does that make them more valuable?? probably not. <grin>   ====== And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. ======   Last April, at York, I saw an HO scale Gilbert, black, Koppers Chemical car #518, in the original box. The table-holder had a price of $75.00 on the car. When I was looking at it, the seller and I started talking about it. I mentioned that I had that car in S and mentioned that it had a walkway around the dome. He told me that Gilbert made them that way in HO scale as well but those were very rare and worth a lot more. I told him that I was lucky to have one of those in excellent condition in my roster, in the original box.   I do not run that car on my layout. Not because of it's perceived value or collectibility. I do not run it because it is poorly made. The couplers cannot be changed without damaging the frame. The sprung trucks derail on flat straight track, and the Koppers emblem is incorrect. Why do I keep it if it is so bad? I keep it because my father found it at a flea market for $2.50 and bought it for me because I had one in S and he knew I liked to have both S and HO cars from Gilbert.   Is it "rare and extremely valuable", maybe. Do I want to sell it ? Not yet, but I do sell pieces when I need money for newer equipment. What would I sell it for ? It would depend on what I needed. I might trade it for a nice operating 0-8-0 in S worth $35.00 <grin> ====== No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet.  And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. ======   I LOVE it when companies "tighten" the supply to increase the "value" of their products. One company that sells HO equipment recently started a policy of "pre-order" before starting production. They had previously announced a locomotive that I really wanted. When my dealer told me that they required a pre-order but would not guarantee price or delivery date, I told him that I would not buy anything sight unseen. He told me that I might not get one if I didn't preorder. I told him that it was not a matter of life or death to own one.   Recently, that company cancelled their production due to lack of pre-orders. It is regrettable but that kind of policy smacks of extorsion. If you make a good product, people will recognize quality and buy it. If you make junk, you should go bankrupt, period. Don't ask me to provide your financial security without showing me something in my hand to buy. I don't trust snake oil salesmen. ======   Someday I will own that 0-8-0. Probably not purchased from some speculator, but more than likely from someone else that loves the hobby like I do. I know it will run and the seller will be glad I use it for it's intended purpose.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54616	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

Jack, so your point is, that NO ONE can make a profit? Just get their money back? How about you going to work & you get paid just what it cost you to get there & back home? If I read your post wrong, please let me know. Mike In a message dated 5/28/2009 11:03:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54617	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

I don't know if this helps or not, but at York Gary (forget the last name is it Black?) who sells all the mint Flyer, had 2 different LN 342s that he was asking $395.00 for. I really wanted a mint 343, not 342 so I just looked. They were really pretty though. So I would think that anything in lesser condition would be priced lower than this accordingly. Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online S Gauge Photo Hosting

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54618	From: Phil K	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

You just described how free market capitalism and the laws of supply and demand work in the collectibles world, Stumpy. I had a mint Pierce Arrow a few years ago. I would guess somebody paid about $2,200 or so when it was brand new. I bought it for $11,000 in 1981 and sold it to another guy (in the same condition I bought it) for $17,000 a few years later. Wish I still had that car, it's probably worth over $250,000 or more today. You don't think baseball card companies knew they were printing "money" all these years? Or comic book companies? It's only ink and paper. Maybe we're jealous we didn't think of doing the same thing. And Jack, I'll be happy to buy all your trains for whatever it cost to make them. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) > The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculators are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculator will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. > What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) > This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! > So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! > No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! > Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... > Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54619	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Electronic Whistle Controller rebuilt

Having been intrigued by the un-numbered AF Electronic Whistle Control for some time I had to have one. I had never heard one but was convinced that it had to sound better than the airchime just because of the design of the oscillator vs the airchime vibrator. The one I got was non-functional so I thought I'd pass on some things learned bringing it back to life. First, the Barker book is essential if you want to rebuild one of these, just for the schematic on page 33. Port Lines has the Barker book on CD. The power cord on this one needed to be replaced. Instead of the official AF grey one I used a grounded cord from a computer power supply and grounded it to the chassis. It's not original but just feels safer that way. The cover on the bottom of the chassis is held on with 4 rivets which can be drilled to remove and replaced nicely with pop rivets. While on the subject of the power cord, be very, very careful when replacing it. Use a good underwriter's knot where the cord enteres the case and solder the leads to the tube socket securely, using heatshrink tubing to insulate ANY exposed wire. This is house current and can kill. What goes wrong with these controllers? The tube and capacitors. Fifty-plus year old electrolytics will have drifted in value if they are functioning at all. While the control was open I replaced all the electrolytics with new ones and the four wax capacitors with metallized poly caps. One of the electrolytic caps in there is a 'stacked unit' with 3 caps in one case. This conveniently has all the specs you need printed on it along with which color wire is which cap. This can be replaced with 3 separate capacitors. Just make sure the new ones meet or exceed the voltage ratings. I got all the capacitors and resistors (yup, replaced them too, just because) at www.justradios.com . They have all the original value caps and flame proof resistors on hand. They're in Canada but the order arrived within a week. All the caps and resistors (and some spares for the AF speakers) were around $10. I got all the caps and resistors for a Silvertone wire recorder while I was at it just to make the minimum order. There were two tube types used in these contollers: 117N7GT and 117P7GT. This controller arrived with a 117P7GT but I wanted to try the other type so I ordered 2 of each type from www.tubesandmore.com . The total for this, including shipping was about $20. The biggest challenge in replacing the parts is identifying the wire colors. The old cloth covering on the wire has faded and/or darkened over the years. That stacked cap had a red wire (still somewhat red but sort of yellow), a yellow wire (still yellow), a blue wire (now black) and a black wire. Similarly, the yellow and red wires for connecting the controller were now an identical yellow in color. The schematic is the only way to decode these. With parts replaced, the fun begins. I soldered a 4.7 mf cap to one lead of a 2" speaker and hooked it up to the controller, plugged the controller in and let it warm up for a solid 5 minutes. Turning both of the tuning pot screws all the way down so the two neon lights inside are barely lit or off is the place to start. Turn one pot slightly up, then the other until it produces a tone when the switch is in the blow position. Actually you can hear the transformer inside the controller 'whistle' when a tone has been achieved, even without blowing the whistle. After accomplishing the first tone you would be amazed at the different pitches and sounds this thing can produce. From a nice high pitched pure tone to something that sounds like a ring modulator. The different tube types change the tone also, and require re-tuning after changing. I found that the 117N7GT produced a louder harsher tone than the 117P7GT tube. Nice and loud and piercing with NO hum. You can even get it to produce a dual tone that is something like a steam whistle... at least on the bench. The bad news: On the track it's a different story. It is nice that you can blow the whistle with track power off. And you can even hear it then. But as soon as the engine starts moving and chuffing you really have to listen for the whistle. I tried it with three different engines with the same result. The 60 cycle track current distorts and diminishes the whistle sound. I'll try swapping tubes and different cap values on the speakers and see if that can be improved. If I find the magic combination I'll post it. Oh well. It still sounds great when the train is parked. It's still a really cool piece of 50's electronics and fun to work on. So I guess the extra cost of making this controller was only half the reason ACG switched to airchime... Has anyone else gotten theirs to sound forth loudly? Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54620	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: I need a tender for a 302 with a link coupler

It is the engine that has the 4 wire plug. BUT If you have a tender with only 2 wires I was told I could use a wire and connect the two center sockets together with a plain piece of wire. Any body heard ot this jury rig? Mike in dreary Park City

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54621	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: question

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54622	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54623	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

you forgot to include the cost of lunch, the coffee for coffee break, rent for the workspace, utilities, insurance, vacation time, sick leave, etc. --- On Thu, 5/28/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 1:36 PM Jack, so your point is, that NO ONE can make a profit? Just get their money back? How about you going to work & you get paid just what it cost you to get there & back home? If I read your post wrong, please let me know. Mike In a message dated 5/28/2009 11:03:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nowofinance@ yahoo.com writes: To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54624	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

His name is Gary Clark... Steve In a message dated 05/28/2009 1:38:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, myflyertrains@... writes: I don't know if this helps or not, but at York Gary (forget the last name is it Black?) who sells all the mint Flyer, had 2 different LN 342s that he was asking $395.00 for. I really wanted a mint 343, not 342 so I just looked. They were really pretty though. So I would think that anything in lesser condition would be priced lower than this accordingly. Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online S Gauge Photo Hosting **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only Savings. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp:%2 F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54625	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

some body has one for $150.00   here in the group.  look for  stuff for sale.     there is a lot of AM & SHS  also so you have to dig. --- On Mon, 5/25/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 12:16 PM Friends, I have always wanted a Flyer 0-8-0 but whenever I see one at York, they must be gold-plated because I have yet to find one, in running condition, under $200.00. I know that the engine is one of those "rare" locos that collectors kill for but I have a different reason to own one. I want to RUN it, not place it on a shelf to collect dust. To the die-hard, must be in original box, sealed, and only viewed with an X-Ray machine, group, I humbly apologize. I have a weird obscession to see trains run and puff smoke. I do not care if the paint is not perfect, nor if it not "perfect". All I want to do is have one to run on my small layout. If there is anyone on this group with an extra 0-8-0, possibly with knuckle couplers, in working condition, I would be very happy to buy it for a reasonable price. The only real requirements arer it should have the Smoke unit in the boiler and the reversing unit in the tender. I would like the smoke unit to function and the smoke unit to work. I would appreciate anyone willing to deal with me to contact me off-list. I have no problems repairing one if the parts are available but I do not want one with any broken castings. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54626	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

He was asking 10K. Apparently his wife had been doing much of the handling of the business. She is returning to school, so with that, kids at home and a full time job outside the home, something had to give. Last I heard there were two or three interested parties, but none could commit at that time, which was a couple of months ago. I think there will always be at least SOME market for the rubber roadbed, and I personally prefer it. But with the advent of built in roadbed track, even for standard gauge (as in the big, three-rail stuff), I suspect the market for rubber roadbed has dwindled. Probably a good opportunity for someone who wants a cottage model railroad business. The owner would HAVE to attend lots of train shows, and of course the travel, lodging and meals expenses would be tax deductable...A nice way to get one's hobby subsidized. Roy, dreaming of rubber roadbed in Lenexa, Inman on 5/28/09 5:59 PM, n9guy@... at n9guy@... wrote: > wonder what he wants for the business? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsMx6wOYkAE4qdXxuDA3GSKe5hB1K > QSKvE3RvakHjHxNaXTLeORDM0/ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54627	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: Simmons car

Mark, Sorry about getting back to you so late. I belive Gobels was the name but when I visited the store it was in the early to mid fifties and memory doesn't exactly click on the name. I visited the Rising Sun store pretty much in the late fifties thru early sixties plus the layouts in Gimbles, Snellenbergers, & Wanamakers. Don't believe that Lits or Strawbridge and Clothiers had layouts. Regards, Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Manderman@... Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car Hi all, Was this store named "Gobels" or something similar? I lived in Frankford in the late 60's. I think this is where my first AF set came from. Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@ <mailto:J.Haughney1%40verizon.net> verizon.net> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Simmons car Raleigh, Thanks for the insight with regards to E.J. Korvette's. However, the local hobby stores with a AF franchise that I went to when I was a kid were not high volume operations and I remember that my Father got some good deals for me at them. Fair trade must have been up for grabs at those stores. If I remember correctly one of the hobby stores whose name I forgot was located on Frankford St one block north from the Frankford & Orthodox Elevated station. (When I was five and six, I lived in a third floor walkup about a block down next to a Studebaker Dealership. The front window was next to the El and it took a while to get used to a train about fifteen feet from my window running every 10 minutes especially at night. I did get used to it just as we finally moved. The other store was on Rising Sun Ave about where the #26 trolley and eventually bus line intersected with I believe the # 55 bus line. (I seem to remember only the trolley and bus lines anymore since that was the way I got around in those days). Anyway enough of my reminiscents and thanks for the info. Regards, Joe from Boston where it is also raining but at least it isn't snowing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54628	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Gosh, I thought the census was that train prices where falling due to lack of demand as a collectable. As in any collectable, whether coins, baseball cards, trains, stamps, art, pens, automobiles, and so on, price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it and in a bid situation, the highest price wins, whether it is 150 for the 343 engine or 325 for it. I think prices go in cycles as demand falls and rises over time. Collecting things should not just be for the total profit you think you might make on it when you sell it in the future. Some collectables that will happen, but some it will not. I am one of the lucky ones who saved his baseball cards from 1959 to 1970. With a mint set from 74. I might put my Pete Rose rookie card on my bike wheel this weekend. LOL Can't do that too well with a 343 engine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] And the final price is? You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculators are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculator will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54629	From: Tim Benner	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: speaking of 0-8-0s

Has anyone been able to fit a flywheel motor into one? Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54630	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

Hi All, The Good: I visited the doctor today for the bone scan and blood work results. The blood tests were all fine - minerals are ok, vitamins are ok, no signs of infection, etc. The bone scan showed the femoral head to be alive. The bone scan showed no problems with the knee. The Bad: Five months after the hip surgery and the fracture has not healed. I have another appointment in 6 weeks for more xrays. If the fracture shows no sign of healing by then the doctor recommends more surgery. The fracture is vertical and the doctor says that is difficult to heal. So he recommends re-breaking the hip and producing a horizontal fracture that might heal. If you don't understand this join the party- neither do I. If the new fracture doesn't heal in another 6 months, then he would do a hip replacement. Meanwhile the femoral head might "collapse" at any time but it is "very unlikely" that this would be a "catastrophic collapse". I think he was dissappointed I didn't just run across the street to the hospital so he could immediately operate on it since he was having a slow day. The Layout: No progress on the layout since I moved here last September. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54631	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for an American Flyer 0-8-0 to run

Thanks Mike,   ===== some body has one for $150.00   here in the group.  look for  stuff for sale.    there is a lot of AM & SHS  also so you have to dig. ===== Saw it. Inquired when I saw it. It was already gone. That was the reason I posted my request on the list. Another one will appear. I am patient.   Nick     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54632	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

Bill,   Since I started this whole mess with a simple request, I feel that another statement along the lines on your comment is required. Originally, I stated that the 0-8-0 was not Gold-Plated as some folks believe. I also asked if anyone wanted to sell one at a reasonable price. A reasonable price, not for free or $35.00 as originally sold for. Someone decided that I was asking for their first-born child because I didn't want to pay off their mortgage with their personal opinion of what the loco is worth.   I feel that a profit is not unreasonable. I actually think it is a good thing. I also think that someone that pays $50.00 for it at a flea market and wants to sell it for $100.00 is not a heretic because they don't want to pay for their children's college education with an over-inflated profit determined by nothing but pure greed. I also feel that anyone that pays an ungodly amount of money just because they can was probably dropped on their head at birth. It is just their way of showing off, not because the item is actually worth what they paid.   If I paid $100.00 for it and wanted to sell it for $100.00, that is MY business. I really could care less what a profiteering "speculator" thinks what it should be sold for. I appreciate the equipment for what they are, not my financial future. If someone wants to bring their own version of value into the picture, it drives the greedy folks crazy because it might start a trend and the hoard they have been hiding might actually come down to a price that a normal person that loves toy trains might be able to afford.   Profit is good, profiteering is just a notch above theft. Kind of like the folks that bought up all of the plywood after Katrina so they could make a profit from someone else's misfortune. The difference in this scenario is that fortunately, toy trains are not a necessity. I know and agree they are worth more than their original prices, just not 500% more.   When the Edsel was new, it was a piece of junk and people could not sell them fast enough. Now people think they are worth the gold in Fort Knox. They are still a piece of junk, just a lot older and memories are clouded by nostalgia.   nuff said, Nick Kulp   ====== Jack, so your point is, that NO ONE can make a profit? Just get their money back? How about you going to work & you get paid just what it cost you to get there & back home? If I read your post wrong, please let me know. Mike ====== To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. ====== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54633	From: dphobbies	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: New S Scale Boxcars Shipped - Finally

After interminable delays, interupted by a trip to the mouse house in Orlando, we have completed shipping all the orders for our Pullman PS5344 PS-1 boxcar. Thanks to all for their patience. Ron Sebastian S Scale America/Des Plaines Hobbies

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54634	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Gosh, I thought the census was that train prices where falling due to lack of demand as a collectable. As in any collectable, whether coins, baseball cards, trains, stamps, art, pens, automobiles, and so on, price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it and in a bid situation, the highest price wins, whether it is 150 for the 343 engine or 325 for it. I think prices go in cycles as demand falls and rises over time. Collecting things should not just be for the total profit you think you might make on it when you sell it in the future. Some collectables that will happen, but some it will not. I am one of the lucky ones who saved his baseball cards from 1959 to 1970. With a mint set from 74. I might put my Pete Rose rookie card on my bike wheel this weekend. LOL Can't do that too well with a 343 engine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] And the final price is? You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculators are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculator will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54635	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

Hey Jack, If you're looking to sell sometime in the future, since you think they're only worth whatever it cost to make them, I'll offer you 3 times what they sold for new (as long as they are in at least VG to EX condition.) This especially goes for the 980 series box/reefer/stock cars, not to mention the Simmons reefer, the G Fox Box, and the Keystone. Deal? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AMEN To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54636	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

Hang in there, BG.   Getting bone to heal is a completely different animal than soft tissue, as I'm sure your surgeon explained.  It seems like such a long , slow process while we undergo it ourselves, doesn't it.  I couldn't/wouldn't believe it when my doc said it would be a few weeks to get around, but a couple years to really heal, but that has indeed turned out to be the case.  All you can do is keep a positive attitude and try not to annoy your loved ones too much!! We're all sending positive vibes your way! Jim E. p.s., The layout will be waiting patiently for you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:36:44 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout Hi All, The Good: I visited the doctor today for the bone scan and blood work results. The blood tests were all fine - minerals are ok, vitamins are ok, no signs of infection, etc. The bone scan showed the femoral head to be alive. The bone scan showed no problems with the knee. The Bad: Five months after the hip surgery and the fracture has not healed. I have another appointment in 6 weeks for more xrays. If the fracture shows no sign of healing by then the doctor recommends more surgery. The fracture is vertical and the doctor says that is difficult to heal. So he recommends re-breaking the hip and producing a horizontal fracture that might heal. If you don't understand this join the party- neither do I. If the new fracture doesn't heal in another 6 months, then he would do a hip replacement. Meanwhile the femoral head might "collapse" at any time but it is "very unlikely" that this would be a "catastrophic collapse". I think he was dissappointed I didn't just run across the street to the hospital so he could immediately operate on it since he was having a slow day. The Layout: No progress on the layout since I moved here last September. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54637	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: I need a tender for a 302 with a link coupler

Yes, putting a jumper across the two inside sockets is a common way to wire the engine directly from the trucks.  But since you've eliminated the e-unit, all you have is one direction.  It's also a great way to rig up a test wire to run your loco on the bench without a tender.  I made one using a male 4-wire plug, soldering a short jumper wire across the two inside sockets, and soldering an 18 in. red wire to one outside socket and another 18 in. black wire to the other outside.  I also put small alligator clips on the ends of the red and black to facilitate quick attachment to my bench transformer. Just plug it into the female socket panel on the back of your loco and you can test easily with you loco right side up, upside down, or whatever.  Works like a charm and it's cheap! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:46:20 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] I need a tender for a 302    with   a link coupler It is the engine that has the 4 wire plug. BUT If you have a tender with only 2 wires I was told I could use a wire and connect the two center sockets together with a plain piece of wire. Any body heard ot this jury rig? Mike in dreary Park City [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54638	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: The Cost of Our Trains

I have been reading with great interest all the discussion that has been generated from someone wanting to buy an "0-8-0". I agree that our beloved American Flyer Trains, be they collectables or "runners", are over priced. However it is simply that old adage that something is worth what someone is willing to pay. Please remember that we live in what used to be called a "capiltalist system" and I don't think that any of us would really want to live in any other society. So, I have boxes and boxes of Flyer that need repair and restoration. I'll content myself with that until the prices on the AF market go down they go down a little as they inevitably will as those of us in the baby boomer generation pass on. In 1953 my late beloved Father bought me an AF set that would have cost him a couple of weeks wages. Altough I didn't realize it at the time that was quite a sacrifice. Meanwhile let's just back to our trains. Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54639	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Hi Bruce,   ===== Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile.  I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that.  ;) Bruce =====   You would lose that bet. Was Pete Rose someone special ? I do not follow sports. Baseball stars are a lot like diesels. A lot of noise, pretty to look at, but not really a lot of individual character. Since it is only a baseball card, purchased for a nickel, with several others in the pack, I probably would use it in my spokes. Quite honestly, it has no value to me.   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54640	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

Using your theory of economics, anyone who bought a house in the 1950's for say $15,000 which cost $10,000 to build, should be willing to sell it today for $10,000? OK, give me your address and I'll be there this afternoon with cash. And it should also follow that any worker is worth no more than their starting salary. No cost of living raises, etc. Imagine a mint Model T Ford for $500.00. You can go on and on. The fact is, the only people who would expound such a theory are those who want something they don't have. They will try to beat up on the owner with accusations of greed. No one has to pay anymore than they can afford or want to. It is not food or water, it is not Katrina or profiteering. It's I own it and you want it! Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! > These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. > My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. > > Jack > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54641	From: rfalzini	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer

Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54642	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: 1957 (?) A/F boxes

Friend has a 21542 & a 21544 red & White Flyer box, marked Santa Fe "A", any ideas out there?? Thanks, Jim Lyle **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54643	From: innotron	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

Hi BG1, Sorry that you are going through all this. One of my good friends fell and broke her hip socket about 3 years ago and was put back together with metal bolts. She didn't heal quickly and her husband was pushing for surgery. Eventually she went to see the film on hip replacement prior to her scheduled hip replacement. After viewing the movie she decided to wait some more and a good thing too because she healed up nicely and walks just fine today. It is a slow process for bones to heal and not everyone heals at the same pace. For S content, she created an S scale sign for my layout of her welding business with the computer while she was healing. You might find that this is a good opportunity to build kits, models, or perhaps a diorama for your layout. Best, Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Update: The Good, the Bad and the Layout Hi All, The Good: I visited the doctor today for the bone scan and blood work results. The blood tests were all fine - minerals are ok, vitamins are ok, no signs of infection, etc. The bone scan showed the femoral head to be alive. The bone scan showed no problems with the knee. The Bad: Five months after the hip surgery and the fracture has not healed. I have another appointment in 6 weeks for more xrays. If the fracture shows no sign of healing by then the doctor recommends more surgery. The fracture is vertical and the doctor says that is difficult to heal. So he recommends re-breaking the hip and producing a horizontal fracture that might heal. If you don't understand this join the party- neither do I. If the new fracture doesn't heal in another 6 months, then he would do a hip replacement. Meanwhile the femoral head might "collapse" at any time but it is "very unlikely" that this would be a "catastrophic collapse". I think he was dissappointed I didn't just run across the street to the hospital so he could immediately operate on it since he was having a slow day. The Layout: No progress on the layout since I moved here last September. BG1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/09 6:16 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54644	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Imagine if...

Friends, I started off a thread by looking for a reasonably priced American Flyer 0-8-0 to run. The comments have run from "you're nut's, they are worth both arms and legs", to being accused of attempting to "guilt" an owner into selling it at "below market value". I now know that there are folks out there that would not part with them for less than a premium price. I would like to try a different question. If Flyonel would start making steam locos again like the Hudson, K5, B6, or other great steam locos of the 1950's, What do you think the new 0-8-0 wold cost? My bet would be they would probably be around the price of other newly reproduced locos. A bit more expensive than $35.00 but those of us not priviliged enough to own an original would probably be happy to pay the current market price to own one of these beautiful locos. It would not be a USED toy but a BRAND NEW, never run locomotive with modern electronics, better performance, and probably affordable. The downside of that is your unattainable locos would no longer be "scarce". I have several pieces that I probably would not sell for sentimental reasons. Those would probably be "priceless" as far as value. My intended purpose was never to tell anyone they MUST sell a loco below what they perceive it's value to be. My only purpose is to own one to run at a price I can afford to pay for a used toy. To those of you that own them, congratulations. To those of you that hoard them to create a shortage, you can do whatever you wish. Someday, they will become available. Better yet, what if S-Helper Service started making an 0-8-0 ? Their B&O 2-8-0 is a real beauty. True, it would not be Flyer but it would be a great loco to own. I believe if S-Helper or anyone else would make one, my search would end right there. How about it Don? Drop the pilot truck from the B&O 2-8-0 and turn it into an 0-8-0. You don't even have to change your dies. The E-27 and the 0-8-0 they had were identical. Just make sure that the loco can be locked in one direction for automatic operation with a semaphore this time. Still looking, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54645	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Chuck Smith email address

Please note my new email address below Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ Old address:cesmith@... New address: csmith290@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54646	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

$10K is approximately correct. But be aware that it includes NO inventory of S-gauge roadbed, but a fair amount of O-gauge inventory. You're essentially paying for the molds to create the roadbed in China, then have it shipped to the US, in pretty significant quantities. Among others, we looked into it.........and opted against it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman He was asking 10K. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54647	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Hi Nick, So, what you're saying is you would take the equivalent of a 50 dollar bill and put it in the spokes of your bike? Somehow, I find this hard to believe. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Bruce, ===== Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ===== You would lose that bet. Was Pete Rose someone special ? I do not follow sports. Baseball stars are a lot like diesels. A lot of noise, pretty to look at, but not really a lot of individual character. Since it is only a baseball card, purchased for a nickel, with several others in the pack, I probably would use it in my spokes. Quite honestly, it has no value to me. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54648	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

You should live so long; it ain't gonna happen. My original e-mail was written tong-in-cheek. Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:13 PM Hey Jack, If you're looking to sell sometime in the future, since you think they're only worth whatever it cost to make them, I'll offer you 3 times what they sold for new (as long as they are in at least VG to EX condition.) This especially goes for the 980 series box/reefer/stock cars, not to mention the Simmons reefer, the G Fox Box, and the Keystone. Deal? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AMEN To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54649	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: The Cost of Our Trains

I had a father ( who bought me the train in 1946 )  and a dad who raised me.  but was terated a s a stepchild.   Hindsight is always 20-20.     [ I met my father, who was living in a nursing home , and I was bring him to his church.  after he died the wife told me of him being married before he married  her,  ( making my mom a pregnant divorcee.)  but her children did not want to test as that would make me in line for inheratance that they wanted]........  talking about money talking --- On Fri, 5/29/09, John & Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> wrote: From: John & Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] The Cost of Our Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 3:58 AM I have been reading with great interest all the discussion that has been generated from someone wanting to buy an "0-8-0". I agree that our beloved American Flyer Trains, be they collectables or "runners", are over priced. However it is simply that old adage that something is worth what someone is willing to pay. Please remember that we live in what used to be called a "capiltalist system" and I don't think that any of us would really want to live in any other society. So, I have boxes and boxes of Flyer that need repair and restoration. I'll content myself with that until the prices on the AF market go down they go down a little as they inevitably will as those of us in the baby boomer generation pass on. In 1953 my late beloved Father bought me an AF set that would have cost him a couple of weeks wages. Altough I didn't realize it at the time that was quite a sacrifice. Meanwhile let's just back to our trains. Regards, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54650	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

I floated the thoughts about 40s & 50s prices to see what kind of response I would get. Makes me laugh at some of them. All the points you mention in this missive are valid and I agree with them. To All the people that went off the deep end on me I can only say "LIGHTEN UP". If I had all  of your money well etc. etc Anyway, thanks to all who took the time to respond. Now I'll go to the Wheaton train show and probably pay to much for an item. Jack. --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 9:39 PM Bill,   Since I started this whole mess with a simple request, I feel that another statement along the lines on your comment is required. Originally, I stated that the 0-8-0 was not Gold-Plated as some folks believe. I also asked if anyone wanted to sell one at a reasonable price. A reasonable price, not for free or $35.00 as originally sold for. Someone decided that I was asking for their first-born child because I didn't want to pay off their mortgage with their personal opinion of what the loco is worth.   I feel that a profit is not unreasonable. I actually think it is a good thing. I also think that someone that pays $50.00 for it at a flea market and wants to sell it for $100.00 is not a heretic because they don't want to pay for their children's college education with an over-inflated profit determined by nothing but pure greed. I also feel that anyone that pays an ungodly amount of money just because they can was probably dropped on their head at birth. It is just their way of showing off, not because the item is actually worth what they paid.   If I paid $100.00 for it and wanted to sell it for $100.00, that is MY business. I really could care less what a profiteering "speculator" thinks what it should be sold for. I appreciate the equipment for what they are, not my financial future. If someone wants to bring their own version of value into the picture, it drives the greedy folks crazy because it might start a trend and the hoard they have been hiding might actually come down to a price that a normal person that loves toy trains might be able to afford.   Profit is good, profiteering is just a notch above theft. Kind of like the folks that bought up all of the plywood after Katrina so they could make a profit from someone else's misfortune. The difference in this scenario is that fortunately, toy trains are not a necessity. I know and agree they are worth more than their original prices, just not 500% more.   When the Edsel was new, it was a piece of junk and people could not sell them fast enough. Now people think they are worth the gold in Fort Knox. They are still a piece of junk, just a lot older and memories are clouded by nostalgia.   nuff said, Nick Kulp   ====== Jack, so your point is, that NO ONE can make a profit? Just get their money back? How about you going to work & you get paid just what it cost you to get there & back home? If I read your post wrong, please let me know. Mike ====== To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. ====== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54651	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Stop picking on me! (ha,ha) Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:07 PM Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Gosh, I thought the census was that train prices where falling due to lack of demand as a collectable. As in any collectable, whether coins, baseball cards, trains, stamps, art, pens, automobiles, and so on, price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it and in a bid situation, the highest price wins, whether it is 150 for the 343 engine or 325 for it. I think prices go in cycles as demand falls and rises over time. Collecting things should not just be for the total profit you think you might make on it when you sell it in the future. Some collectables that will happen, but some it will not. I am one of the lucky ones who saved his baseball cards from 1959 to 1970. With a mint set from 74. I might put my Pete Rose rookie card on my bike wheel this weekend. LOL Can't do that too well with a 343 engine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] And the final price is? You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculat ors are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculato r will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54652	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

LOL I might. Oh Pete Rose Jr. I saw him last month, after the York TCA Show, in Lancaster, PA playing for the independent league Newark (NJ) Bears at age 40 something. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Stop picking on me! (ha,ha) Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:07 PM Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Gosh, I thought the census was that train prices where falling due to lack of demand as a collectable. As in any collectable, whether coins, baseball cards, trains, stamps, art, pens, automobiles, and so on, price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it and in a bid situation, the highest price wins, whether it is 150 for the 343 engine or 325 for it. I think prices go in cycles as demand falls and rises over time. Collecting things should not just be for the total profit you think you might make on it when you sell it in the future. Some collectables that will happen, but some it will not. I am one of the lucky ones who saved his baseball cards from 1959 to 1970. With a mint set from 74. I might put my Pete Rose rookie card on my bike wheel this weekend. LOL Can't do that too well with a 343 engine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] And the final price is? You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculat ors are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculato r will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54653	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Actually the card itself was one of five in a pack for a nickel in 1963. Right before the strike of 94 it was listed in the Beckett book for 1100. After the strike I think it fell to 600 like all baseball cards did. But I am sure in time, it has risen and will continue to rise in value. Trains, who knows what the market will be in 20 years but I am sure there will be a interest in collectable trains. Sure, baseball cards might not mean much to someone on the S list, as trains to someone on a baseball list, might not have no interest in a 343 engine. But if one is given something like that, I am sure you might be interested in the value. But to tell you a quick story on being careful on giving away something you have and you have no interest in it. a TCA friend in Canada gave me a signed bat that he said had signatures on it, one might of made to the majors he said and the bat was from the Toronto Maple Leaf baseball club, a minor league team before the Bluejays came to be. Well, I got the bat and it was full of signatures and yes, one did make it to majors, in fact all of them made it to the majors as it was the Boston Red Sox team of 1965 with Carl Yastrzemski, James Lonborg, who was the Cy Young winner of 1967, Tony Conigliaro, a folk legend who got badly beam in the face and killed his rising career, Billy Gardiner, a 1930's Hall of Famer, Rico Petrocelli, and the rest of the team. I was shocked to see my friend give me this, as I realized he did not know what he had. I am told at auction this bat would start at 800 dollars and more, if in Boston. So, be careful, when you said you do not care if you had a Pete Rose card. As for the bat, I have no plans on selling it, as I cherish this bat, since I am a big baseball fan. I will be donating it to a museum in Boston, Toronto or the Hall of Fame when the time comes. I told my friend about it and he actually is happy that I have it, since I love baseball and he does not need the money either. Thanks for letting me share this story as it is interesting in many ways. The bat does say Toronto Maple Leafs and 7 Up on it in gold on the fat part, as it was a promotional bat that the team signed. Toronto was a farm team of the Red Sox from 65 to 67. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Nick, So, what you're saying is you would take the equivalent of a 50 dollar bill and put it in the spokes of your bike? Somehow, I find this hard to believe. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Bruce, ===== Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ===== You would lose that bet. Was Pete Rose someone special ? I do not follow sports. Baseball stars are a lot like diesels. A lot of noise, pretty to look at, but not really a lot of individual character. Since it is only a baseball card, purchased for a nickel, with several others in the pack, I probably would use it in my spokes. Quite honestly, it has no value to me. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54654	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Doesn't sound like a good business opportunity, unless someone wants to do it for the enjoyment of the hobby, as I would think this would not be a good investment for a return on the investment in time. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale $10K is approximately correct. But be aware that it includes NO inventory of S-gauge roadbed, but a fair amount of O-gauge inventory. You're essentially paying for the molds to create the roadbed in China, then have it shipped to the US, in pretty significant quantities. Among others, we looked into it.........and opted against it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman He was asking 10K. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54655	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Hi Bruce,   ==== So, what you're saying is you would take the equivalent of a 50 dollar bill and put it in the spokes of your bike?   Somehow, I find this hard to believe. Bruce ====   I guess I took it too far with the Charlie Hustle question, huh ?? <grin> I had the complete Brooklyn Dodgers team, complete with the team card and managers in the late 1950's. I actually did use some for my bicycle spokes. Who knew ?   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54656	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Doug, I thought the manufacturer was in Thailand..? Roy Inman on 5/29/09 12:52 PM, Doug peck at doug@... wrote: > > > > > > $10K is approximately correct. > > But be aware that it includes NO inventory of S-gauge roadbed, but a > fair amount of O-gauge inventory. > > You're essentially paying for the molds to create the roadbed in China, > then have it shipped to the US, in pretty significant quantities. > > Among others, we looked into it.........and opted against it. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > ________________________________ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Roy Inman > > He was asking 10K. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54657	From: The LANIERs	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...

This has essentially happened with the 4-8-4. Both Flyonel and American Models have issued this loco. Don't see anyone selling their old AF 332s, 335Ks, 336s, etc. for $200. Just my opinion. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: cornwall9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Imagine if... Friends, I started off a thread by looking for a reasonably priced American Flyer 0-8-0 to run. The comments have run from "you're nut's, they are worth both arms and legs", to being accused of attempting to "guilt" an owner into selling it at "below market value". I now know that there are folks out there that would not part with them for less than a premium price. I would like to try a different question. If Flyonel would start making steam locos again like the Hudson, K5, B6, or other great steam locos of the 1950's, What do you think the new 0-8-0 wold cost? My bet would be they would probably be around the price of other newly reproduced locos. A bit more expensive than $35.00 but those of us not priviliged enough to own an original would probably be happy to pay the current market price to own one of these beautiful locos. It would not be a USED toy but a BRAND NEW, never run locomotive with modern electronics, better performance, and probably affordable. The downside of that is your unattainable locos would no longer be "scarce". I have several pieces that I probably would not sell for sentimental reasons. Those would probably be "priceless" as far as value. My intended purpose was never to tell anyone they MUST sell a loco below what they perceive it's value to be. My only purpose is to own one to run at a price I can afford to pay for a used toy. To those of you that own them, congratulations. To those of you that hoard them to create a shortage, you can do whatever you wish. Someday, they will become available. Better yet, what if S-Helper Service started making an 0-8-0 ? Their B&O 2-8-0 is a real beauty. True, it would not be Flyer but it would be a great loco to own. I believe if S-Helper or anyone else would make one, my search would end right there. How about it Don? Drop the pilot truck from the B&O 2-8-0 and turn it into an 0-8-0. You don't even have to change your dies. The E-27 and the 0-8-0 they had were identical. Just make sure that the loco can be locked in one direction for automatic operation with a semaphore this time. Still looking, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54658	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: 1957 (?) A/F boxes

Jim, Ideas for what? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 1957 (?) A/F boxes Friend has a 21542 & a 21544 red & White Flyer box, marked Santa Fe "A", any ideas out there?? Thanks, Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54659	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...

Nick, With the intricacies of the valve gear and the fact that it wouldn't be a major run like back in the days of Gilbert, I would say you could expect to pay at least $325.00 for a new Flyonel. This is just a guess, but I bet I'm in the ball park. Since Lionel would be using a lot more plastic then Gilbert, and knowing the reliability of the runners they've produced over the years, and with the current economy making the viability and longevity of any company suspect (read warranties), I think you'd be better off with an original that you could restore. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: cornwall9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Imagine if... Friends, I started off a thread by looking for a reasonably priced American Flyer 0-8-0 to run. The comments have run from "you're nut's, they are worth both arms and legs", to being accused of attempting to "guilt" an owner into selling it at "below market value". I now know that there are folks out there that would not part with them for less than a premium price. I would like to try a different question. If Flyonel would start making steam locos again like the Hudson, K5, B6, or other great steam locos of the 1950's, What do you think the new 0-8-0 wold cost? My bet would be they would probably be around the price of other newly reproduced locos. A bit more expensive than $35.00 but those of us not priviliged enough to own an original would probably be happy to pay the current market price to own one of these beautiful locos. It would not be a USED toy but a BRAND NEW, never run locomotive with modern electronics, better performance, and probably affordable. The downside of that is your unattainable locos would no longer be "scarce". I have several pieces that I probably would not sell for sentimental reasons. Those would probably be "priceless" as far as value. My intended purpose was never to tell anyone they MUST sell a loco below what they perceive it's value to be. My only purpose is to own one to run at a price I can afford to pay for a used toy. To those of you that own them, congratulations. To those of you that hoard them to create a shortage, you can do whatever you wish. Someday, they will become available. Better yet, what if S-Helper Service started making an 0-8-0 ? Their B&O 2-8-0 is a real beauty. True, it would not be Flyer but it would be a great loco to own. I believe if S-Helper or anyone else would make one, my search would end right there. How about it Don? Drop the pilot truck from the B&O 2-8-0 and turn it into an 0-8-0. You don't even have to change your dies. The E-27 and the 0-8-0 they had were identical. Just make sure that the loco can be locked in one direction for automatic operation with a semaphore this time. Still looking, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54660	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

Surprised you didn't surface to say that when you were being slammed by all those other incredulous posters to our list prior to my late email. Glad you've seen the light. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN You should live so long; it ain't gonna happen. My original e-mail was written tong-in-cheek. Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:13 PM Hey Jack, If you're looking to sell sometime in the future, since you think they're only worth whatever it cost to make them, I'll offer you 3 times what they sold for new (as long as they are in at least VG to EX condition.) This especially goes for the 980 series box/reefer/stock cars, not to mention the Simmons reefer, the G Fox Box, and the Keystone. Deal? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AMEN To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54661	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/29/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Pick, pick, pick. ;) Not picking, my friend, just playing with you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Stop picking on me! (ha,ha) Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:07 PM Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Gosh, I thought the census was that train prices where falling due to lack of demand as a collectable. As in any collectable, whether coins, baseball cards, trains, stamps, art, pens, automobiles, and so on, price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it and in a bid situation, the highest price wins, whether it is 150 for the 343 engine or 325 for it. I think prices go in cycles as demand falls and rises over time. Collecting things should not just be for the total profit you think you might make on it when you sell it in the future. Some collectables that will happen, but some it will not. I am one of the lucky ones who saved his baseball cards from 1959 to 1970. With a mint set from 74. I might put my Pete Rose rookie card on my bike wheel this weekend. LOL Can't do that too well with a 343 engine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] And the final price is? You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculat ors are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculato r will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54662	From: Jim King	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Western North Carolina hobby shop stocking S scale

Old Fort Model Trains (in Old Fort, NC, Exit 72 off I-40) has greatly expanded their S scale (no hi-rail items) offerings thru the acquisition of a local collection. There are several hard-to-get items in the collection, including an Overland (brass) 2-track diesel sanding tower, RTR Pacific Rail Shops wood and steel reefers (some FGEX . which are VERY hard to find in the South), an ABA MoPac F7 set from SHS and many PRS boxcar kits and RTR wearing long-out-of-production paint schemes. If interested in seeing what the owner, Wes Lael, has for sale, you can call the shop at 828-668-9434, send an email to oldforttrains@... or just visit the shop. Travel directions are on the web site http://www.oldfortmodeltrains.com/index.html Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54663	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Open Question

Now an open question for those that run or go to S clubs. How to get people interested in our Greater Seattle S Gaugers again as the numbers that actually show up to meetings has dwindled from about 20 in years past to 4-6 these days and there are basically only 3 of us that will have meetings at our homes. As one of our menbers has mentioned, no-one is really interested in oerating sessions, or modules, or even going to swap meets togeather out of town as we did in years past. Maybe it's just that we are way out here in the corner of the country Or that I am still the youngest guy in the group after 30 years but the 2 of us that have run the club for the last 10 years or so are about to give up and stop trying to keep it running. (it may already be dead) Any ideas out there? May be a good discussion anyway. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54664	From: traintracks01	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: A Funny thing happened with my For Sale list

A Funny thing happened with my For Sale list. So I started the whole 0-8-0 thing with my previous version of things to sell. Its funny, we have a hot water tank that needs replacing and I have a bunch of extra trains piled up (because I had the Seattle S gauge group over last week and wanted to run trains instead of looking at piles of boxes) Sooo I figured I would sell some of the extra stuff here and pay part of the new tank. Simple except I had an 0-8-0 on the list. I had the rear coupler cut off, the motor and reverse unit had been replaced with an SHS and a small DCC unit. Ran so-so at best, probably a good cleaning and it will be fine. Repainted totally black including wheels. I wasn't even thinking about the price but put $150 on it. It sold in about and hour and I had a second inquiry the next morning. If it was so badly underpriced, I didn't get that many responses. Interesting. Anyway, back to the cold/hot water, with the government kicking in a nice tax rebate, the power company doing the same and you guys buying some trains Its about paid for. And have more open tracks on which to play trains. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- Here are the items I still have for sale. Shipping is $6 for one or all 17. 6 - S helper service cars $35 each ($40 for caboose) Milwaukee orange caboose. Like new, hirail, kadees, looking for box. GN boxcar 00346 green orange #2508 on car, hi rail-kadee, in box .. 01128 Great Northern red box car like new in box . 00347 Great Northern green box car like new in box 01801 Hamms brewing refer car new in box . refer.. white rock water #18044 (55075 on car) NIB -------------------------------------------------------------- 4 - american models cars $25 each ($30 for NP caboose) Milwaukee plug door hi rail RTR like new in box .. refer, miller beer gray, missing one step, high rail, shs trucks, kadees, dull coated. Looking for box . #712 wide vision caboose kit, new in box with trucks . Northern Pacific caboose wood style. #7520 red new in box . --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 - S Scale America Cars As priced S Hopper CN flyer compatible $35 .. Milwaukee pipe gondola car. Special made cutout side version. Made for S convention in 05? NIB $45 -------------------------------------------------------------- 5 - Pacific Rail Cars (in new kit form) $35 each Kit S,P, and S brown boxcar (94 NASG) 11242 new in box with trucks .. Kit milwaukee orange urts 37371 refer, no trucks new in box. .. Kit Great northern green double door 40' boxcar no trucks new in box Kit UP/SP color logo refer car Pacific fruit express new in box .. Kit SP overnight block with trucks new in box .. -------------------------------------------------------------- I can send along pictures of anything. Paypal, mo, check (held for clearance) all work THANKS! Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 New email eric(AT)rer01.com, my old Comcast one is gone .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54665	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Bat

Good story with, I hope, a good ending a long time from now. Bill W. But to tell you a quick story on being careful on giving away something you have and you have no interest in it. a TCA friend in Canada gave me a signed bat that he said had signatures on it, one might of made to the majors he said and the bat was from the Toronto Maple Leaf baseball club, a minor league team before the Bluejays came to be. Well, I got the bat and it was full of signatures and yes, one did make it to majors, in fact all of them made it to the majors as it was the Boston Red Sox team of 1965 with Carl Yastrzemski, James Lonborg, who was the Cy Young winner of 1967, Tony Conigliaro, a folk legend who got badly beam in the face and killed his rising career, Billy Gardiner, a 1930's Hall of Famer, Rico Petrocelli, and the rest of the team. I was shocked to see my friend give me this, as I realized he did not know what he had. I am told at auction this bat would start at 800 dollars and more, if in Boston. As for the bat, I have no plans on selling it, as I cherish this bat, since I am a big baseball fan. I will be donating it to a museum in Boston, Toronto or the Hall of Fame when the time comes. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54666	From: Gerald Booker	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer

Might want DVD. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rfalzini@... Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54667	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

No..........it comes here out of China. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:01 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale Doug, I thought the manufacturer was in Thailand..? Roy Inman on 5/29/09 12:52 PM, Doug peck at doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> wrote: > > > > > > $10K is approximately correct. > > But be aware that it includes NO inventory of S-gauge roadbed, but a > fair amount of O-gauge inventory. > > You're essentially paying for the molds to create the roadbed in China, > then have it shipped to the US, in pretty significant quantities. > > Among others, we looked into it.........and opted against it. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > ________________________________ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Roy Inman > > He was asking 10K. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54668	From: G C	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...

Nice part of this is that the original flyer engine was somewhat based on the UP locomotive. The American Models is a Santa Fe type if I'm correct. What engine does the the newer flyonel one represent? I don't have one and can't recall it that well. gene cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54669	From: G C	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

Mike do you remember when Billy Gardiner played with the Orioles? gene ________________________________ From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:58:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Actually the card itself was one of five in a pack for a nickel in 1963. Right before the strike of 94 it was listed in the Beckett book for 1100. After the strike I think it fell to 600 like all baseball cards did. But I am sure in time, it has risen and will continue to rise in value. Trains, who knows what the market will be in 20 years but I am sure there will be a interest in collectable trains. Sure, baseball cards might not mean much to someone on the S list, as trains to someone on a baseball list, might not have no interest in a 343 engine. But if one is given something like that, I am sure you might be interested in the value. But to tell you a quick story on being careful on giving away something you have and you have no interest in it. a TCA friend in Canada gave me a signed bat that he said had signatures on it, one might of made to the majors he said and the bat was from the Toronto Maple Leaf baseball club, a minor league team before the Bluejays came to be. Well, I got the bat and it was full of signatures and yes, one did make it to majors, in fact all of them made it to the majors as it was the Boston Red Sox team of 1965 with Carl Yastrzemski, James Lonborg, who was the Cy Young winner of 1967, Tony Conigliaro, a folk legend who got badly beam in the face and killed his rising career, Billy Gardiner, a 1930's Hall of Famer, Rico Petrocelli, and the rest of the team. I was shocked to see my friend give me this, as I realized he did not know what he had. I am told at auction this bat would start at 800 dollars and more, if in Boston. So, be careful, when you said you do not care if you had a Pete Rose card. As for the bat, I have no plans on selling it, as I cherish this bat, since I am a big baseball fan. I will be donating it to a museum in Boston, Toronto or the Hall of Fame when the time comes. I told my friend about it and he actually is happy that I have it, since I love baseball and he does not need the money either. Thanks for letting me share this story as it is interesting in many ways. The bat does say Toronto Maple Leafs and 7 Up on it in gold on the fat part, as it was a promotional bat that the team signed. Toronto was a farm team of the Red Sox from 65 to 67. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Nick, So, what you're saying is you would take the equivalent of a 50 dollar bill and put it in the spokes of your bike? Somehow, I find this hard to believe. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Bruce, ===== Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ===== You would lose that bet. Was Pete Rose someone special ? I do not follow sports. Baseball stars are a lot like diesels. A lot of noise, pretty to look at, but not really a lot of individual character. Since it is only a baseball card, purchased for a nickel, with several others in the pack, I probably would use it in my spokes. Quite honestly, it has no value to me. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54670	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

By the way, I wrote to James Lonborg, who is now a dentist in MA and he was very nice to write back in confirming that the bat is real as he said the signatures look real to him, as he signed his name James Lonborg before using Jim Lonborg. I did send him pictures of my layout with S Helper look alike Fenway Park. He liked the layout and ballpark. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Actually the card itself was one of five in a pack for a nickel in 1963. Right before the strike of 94 it was listed in the Beckett book for 1100. After the strike I think it fell to 600 like all baseball cards did. But I am sure in time, it has risen and will continue to rise in value. Trains, who knows what the market will be in 20 years but I am sure there will be a interest in collectable trains. Sure, baseball cards might not mean much to someone on the S list, as trains to someone on a baseball list, might not have no interest in a 343 engine. But if one is given something like that, I am sure you might be interested in the value. But to tell you a quick story on being careful on giving away something you have and you have no interest in it. a TCA friend in Canada gave me a signed bat that he said had signatures on it, one might of made to the majors he said and the bat was from the Toronto Maple Leaf baseball club, a minor league team before the Bluejays came to be. Well, I got the bat and it was full of signatures and yes, one did make it to majors, in fact all of them made it to the majors as it was the Boston Red Sox team of 1965 with Carl Yastrzemski, James Lonborg, who was the Cy Young winner of 1967, Tony Conigliaro, a folk legend who got badly beam in the face and killed his rising career, Billy Gardiner, a 1930's Hall of Famer, Rico Petrocelli, and the rest of the team. I was shocked to see my friend give me this, as I realized he did not know what he had. I am told at auction this bat would start at 800 dollars and more, if in Boston. So, be careful, when you said you do not care if you had a Pete Rose card. As for the bat, I have no plans on selling it, as I cherish this bat, since I am a big baseball fan. I will be donating it to a museum in Boston, Toronto or the Hall of Fame when the time comes. I told my friend about it and he actually is happy that I have it, since I love baseball and he does not need the money either. Thanks for letting me share this story as it is interesting in many ways. The bat does say Toronto Maple Leafs and 7 Up on it in gold on the fat part, as it was a promotional bat that the team signed. Toronto was a farm team of the Red Sox from 65 to 67. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Nick, So, what you're saying is you would take the equivalent of a 50 dollar bill and put it in the spokes of your bike? Somehow, I find this hard to believe. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Bruce, ===== Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ===== You would lose that bet. Was Pete Rose someone special ? I do not follow sports. Baseball stars are a lot like diesels. A lot of noise, pretty to look at, but not really a lot of individual character. Since it is only a baseball card, purchased for a nickel, with several others in the pack, I probably would use it in my spokes. Quite honestly, it has no value to me. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54671	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

It's okay, Nick. I've made my share of faux pas in the past. I just couldn't resist. It was like a high fast ball right over the plate. ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Hi Bruce, ==== So, what you're saying is you would take the equivalent of a 50 dollar bill and put it in the spokes of your bike? Somehow, I find this hard to believe. Bruce ==== I guess I took it too far with the Charlie Hustle question, huh ?? <grin> I had the complete Brooklyn Dodgers team, complete with the team card and managers in the late 1950's. I actually did use some for my bicycle spokes. Who knew ? Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54672	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is? OFF TOPIC

Mike, Funny you should talk about Pete Rose, Jr. I remember watching the kid as a bat boy for both the Reds and the Phillies about 30 years ago. The old adage "the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree" sure didn't play out in this case. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? LOL I might. Oh Pete Rose Jr. I saw him last month, after the York TCA Show, in Lancaster, PA playing for the independent league Newark (NJ) Bears at age 40 something. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Stop picking on me! (ha,ha) Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:07 PM Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Gosh, I thought the census was that train prices where falling due to lack of demand as a collectable. As in any collectable, whether coins, baseball cards, trains, stamps, art, pens, automobiles, and so on, price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it and in a bid situation, the highest price wins, whether it is 150 for the 343 engine or 325 for it. I think prices go in cycles as demand falls and rises over time. Collecting things should not just be for the total profit you think you might make on it when you sell it in the future. Some collectables that will happen, but some it will not. I am one of the lucky ones who saved his baseball cards from 1959 to 1970. With a mint set from 74. I might put my Pete Rose rookie card on my bike wheel this weekend. LOL Can't do that too well with a 343 engine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] And the final price is? You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculat ors are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculato r will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54673	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Imagine if...

If a "NEW" 0-8-0 was made I indeed would try to buy it. May take a second mortgage, but I would try. Jack --- On Fri, 5/29/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Imagine if... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 1:33 PM Friends, I started off a thread by looking for a reasonably priced American Flyer 0-8-0 to run. The comments have run from "you're nut's, they are worth both arms and legs", to being accused of attempting to "guilt" an owner into selling it at "below market value". I now know that there are folks out there that would not part with them for less than a premium price. I would like to try a different question. If Flyonel would start making steam locos again like the Hudson, K5, B6, or other great steam locos of the 1950's, What do you think the new 0-8-0 wold cost? My bet would be they would probably be around the price of other newly reproduced locos. A bit more expensive than $35.00 but those of us not priviliged enough to own an original would probably be happy to pay the current market price to own one of these beautiful locos. It would not be a USED toy but a BRAND NEW, never run locomotive with modern electronics, better performance, and probably affordable. The downside of that is your unattainable locos would no longer be "scarce". I have several pieces that I probably would not sell for sentimental reasons. Those would probably be "priceless" as far as value. My intended purpose was never to tell anyone they MUST sell a loco below what they perceive it's value to be. My only purpose is to own one to run at a price I can afford to pay for a used toy. To those of you that own them, congratulations. To those of you that hoard them to create a shortage, you can do whatever you wish. Someday, they will become available. Better yet, what if S-Helper Service started making an 0-8-0 ? Their B&O 2-8-0 is a real beauty. True, it would not be Flyer but it would be a great loco to own. I believe if S-Helper or anyone else would make one, my search would end right there. How about it Don? Drop the pilot truck from the B&O 2-8-0 and turn it into an 0-8-0. You don't even have to change your dies. The E-27 and the 0-8-0 they had were identical. Just make sure that the loco can be locked in one direction for automatic operation with a semaphore this time. Still looking, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54674	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is?

I know. I'm just enjoying the give and take. Jack --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:58 PM Pick, pick, pick. ;) Not picking, my friend, just playing with you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Stop picking on me! (ha,ha) Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:07 PM Yeah, Mike, I'd like a photo of you putting that Rose Rookie card on your bike spokes and then a picture of what it looks like after about one mile. I bet even Nick or Jack wouldn't do that. ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] And the final price is? Gosh, I thought the census was that train prices where falling due to lack of demand as a collectable. As in any collectable, whether coins, baseball cards, trains, stamps, art, pens, automobiles, and so on, price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it and in a bid situation, the highest price wins, whether it is 150 for the 343 engine or 325 for it. I think prices go in cycles as demand falls and rises over time. Collecting things should not just be for the total profit you think you might make on it when you sell it in the future. Some collectables that will happen, but some it will not. I am one of the lucky ones who saved his baseball cards from 1959 to 1970. With a mint set from 74. I might put my Pete Rose rookie card on my bike wheel this weekend. LOL Can't do that too well with a 343 engine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] And the final price is? You know, I don't buy into the thought that it HAS to be ten times more expensive today than in the fifties, or because it is rare. We're not talking about making a NEW toy train, we're discussing old trains. It's USED. No matter what it looks like, the metal and plastic is fatigued, the mechanicals are worn, it's old...like us! (place smiley face here) The prices of old trains are as high as they are only because somebody will pay that much for them. This is usually the collector and/or speculator because it makes what they have more valuable. This is also why many collectors/speculat ors are hording, just to keep prices up. Some dealers take great advantage as well because it makes stuff they bought years ago for nearly nothing more expensive when they sell it. The Greenberg and other "Value Guides" are guilty of hiking the prices because it gives them a reason for being and they make money selling new guides every year which they know the collector/speculato r will buy! And while there are deals to be had on eBay, there are also many crooked dealers there as well taking advantage of the unwary. What has happened is supply and demand gone mad! It is a false value. (And, as usual, things are even worse in O gauge.) This economic downturn is showing that in the great sceme of things, a roof over your head, food on the table, and good friends are much more important than old toy trains! So all you folks out there who are waiting to afford that 0-8-0 or 4-8-4 or five digit cars, or whatever you want to run, just be patient and keep your eyes open. The same goes for you collectors with holes in your collection, you have to look at this as an opportunity! No, I don't believe prices will go back down to my thinking that they should be no more than twice original cost, but we ain't seen the bottom of the toy train market yet. And if MTH and Lionel and the other giants think that tightening up supply lines to stores and the zooming prices in their catalogs is the answer in these economic times, they're in for a shock! Just my opinion and prediction folks, your opinions are welcome too... Stumpy Stone...using a cheaper crystal ball in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54675	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Yep, but consider also that everything a person would spend to get to a train show or national meet would be tax-deductable, depending of course on one¹s particular tax situation. So it would be a way of subsidizing one¹s hobby. Roy Inman on 5/29/09 8:00 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > > > Doesn't sound like a good business opportunity, unless someone wants to do it > for the enjoyment of the hobby, as I would think this would not be a good > investment for a return on the investment in time. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Peck > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:52 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale > > $10K is approximately correct. > > But be aware that it includes NO inventory of S-gauge roadbed, but a > fair amount of O-gauge inventory. > > You're essentially paying for the molds to create the roadbed in China, > then have it shipped to the US, in pretty significant quantities. > > Among others, we looked into it.........and opted against it. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > ________________________________ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Roy Inman > > He was asking 10K. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54676	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: AMEN

Oh, I thought about it, but I wanted to play the devils advocate and see what kind of responses I would elicit. Jack --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:57 PM Surprised you didn't surface to say that when you were being slammed by all those other incredulous posters to our list prior to my late email. Glad you've seen the light. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN You should live so long; it ain't gonna happen. My original e-mail was written tong-in-cheek. Jack --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMEN To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:13 PM Hey Jack, If you're looking to sell sometime in the future, since you think they're only worth whatever it cost to make them, I'll offer you 3 times what they sold for new (as long as they are in at least VG to EX condition.) This especially goes for the 980 series box/reefer/stock cars, not to mention the Simmons reefer, the G Fox Box, and the Keystone. Deal? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AMEN To Stumpy Stone I say AMEN! These inflated prices are just a machination of greed. My point was similar; whatever it cost to make the trains is all they are worth. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54677	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Open Question

The AFSGSLA, the St Louis, Missouri "S"ga group has the motto "IT'S JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT!" No dues. We do have three layouts that we set up. Two at train shows and one only goes into a bank at Christmas. We generate money from the layouts. The layouts attract people to watch the trains. We talk with these people and promote our club. A sign up list for prospective new members is there. We then follow up by sending a newsletter electronic ( if no computer) then by mail. They are invited to our monthly meeting (except for July and August when there are not any meetings.) We have attracted all age groups ranging from 8 to 90 years. It is fun to see dads or granddads bring the younger members. afsgsla@...  eMail our club if you have more questions.    ________________________________ From: traintracks01 <traintracks01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:36:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Open Question Now an open question for those that run or go to S clubs. How to get people interested in our Greater Seattle S Gaugers again as the numbers that actually show up to meetings has dwindled from about 20 in years past to 4-6 these days and there are basically only 3 of us that will have meetings at our homes. As one of our menbers has mentioned, no-one is really interested in oerating sessions, or modules, or even going to swap meets togeather out of town as we did in years past. Maybe it's just that we are way out here in the corner of the country Or that I am still the youngest guy in the group after 30 years but the 2 of us that have run the club for the last 10 years or so are about to give up and stop trying to keep it running. (it may already be dead) Any ideas out there? May be a good discussion anyway. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54678	From: Keith O	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Hello, Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour videos and all his audios. This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. Hope to see you all in July. Best Regards, Keith O. Phoenix AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Booker To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer Might want DVD. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rfalzini@... Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich __________________________________________________________ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54679	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Since some of the other vendors have turned down this investment, I would have to ask why. I'm guessing that the $10K investment is the tip of the iceberg, just the name, molds, and contacts. One would have to do a careful analysis of the potential market and the costs of getting product into inventory. IE: How much do you have to have made at one time? A container load? My suspicion is that the market is drying up because folks are switching to other brands of track. Sure would be a fun thing to do though if there were any possibility of making a decent profit in it. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54680	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

If you have a serious interest, Rick Johnson will talk with you about it, and will supply you sales records for a period of several years, for each type and size of roadbed. Without getting too specific, the (approx) $10K investment, as I previously stated, gets you all the existing O-gauge and Std-gauge inventory, plus the ownership of the existing molds (located in China), plus all the contact information for the person in China who handles the actual production and shipment to the states. It gets you NO S-gauge inventory, as there is none. Not surprisingly, the S roadbed FAR, FAR outsells the O and Std-gauge roadbed. But S sales have also shown a decline over the last 3-5 years. We determined that immediately after purchase, we would have to invest an additional $10-$15K for a new production run of S roadbed. That appeared to be about the amount needed for a decent size run, plus shipment stateside. JRR usually did a couple of production runs per year. I do know that we were not the only ones to look into this purchase. As far as I know, there is presently nobody on the verge, but who knows! Doug Peck Port Lines. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > Since some of the other vendors have turned down this investment, I > would have to ask why.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54681	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.

Comparing the price of making a new loco has no bearing on the price of a fifty year old loco. One is brand new with the best of everything and made at today's costs, while the other was made at 1950's costs, is cruder in mechanics and appearance, and well used. The opinions seem to split between collectors and runners, which is to be expected. It's been interesting and more civil than some earlier discussions we've had. However, it also appears we've reached a point where we're all getting tired, so before this gets nasty, I suggest we just "hang it up!" Thanks to all that participated, read ya' on Chat tomorrow night... Stumpy Stone...didn't really need the firesuit after all...east Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54682	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/31/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54683	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.

and he notes - We seem to forget or maybe many of us are too young to remember but things actually cost more in the late 40s and early 50s. When one considers the average wage was 60 cents an hour in 1949, a $25.00 locomotive was a week's pay. A television cost several hundred dollars and a refrigerator took as much as 8 months wages to purchase and an automobile sucked up a year's earnings. Oddly enough, hamburger was a dime a pound but chicken was 89 cents. In most stores today chicken hasn't changed but hamburger is over two bucks a pound! While it is true today that housing and is a bit higher than back then (per hour worked) however at an average wage of $30K per year a car is actually cheaper and a $300.00 0-8-0 is half what it actually cost in 1950 when the number of hours worked is considered. It's no wonder I got an Atlantic for Christmas... Raleigh in clear and cool Maine... At 07:13 PM 5/30/2009, Stumpy Stone wrote: >Comparing the price of making a new loco has no bearing on the price >of a fifty year old loco. One is brand new with the best of >everything and made at today's costs, while the other was made at >1950's costs, is cruder in mechanics and appearance, and well used. >The opinions seem to split between collectors and runners, which is >to be expected. It's been interesting and more civil than some >earlier discussions we've had. >However, it also appears we've reached a point where we're all >getting tired, so before this gets nasty, I suggest we just "hang it up!" >Thanks to all that participated, read ya' on Chat tomorrow night... >Stumpy Stone...didn't really need the firesuit after all...east Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54684	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.

Stumpy , keep the fire suit handy I got mine ready just in case, But to borrow a line from the late Tom Snyder he said that he never bought a train with the idea of making a profit , but he only bought trains that he liked & if the price was more than he was willing to pay he did not buy it & would keep on looking . the same holds true now , If you don't like it & are not happy with the price don't buy it . As for the speculators that come in to this hobby hoping to buy low & then make a quick sale at a higher price & sometimes it actually works that way , but most of these speculators are not happy with what they actually made & wanting more return on the investment soon move on to greener pastures & leave us with some alleged to be higher values & prices , that eventually will settle down to what ever the market will bear. OK Stumpy stand back , here it comes. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54685	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer

Hello Rich Any idea on how much the video will cost us.  Thanks,   Al amflyral@... --- On Fri, 5/29/09, rfalzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: rfalzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 12:26 PM Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54686	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer

Hello Al, As I stated to several other interested parties, it is a 2 part DVD, 6 hours per video. 12 hours in total, and for my time to make it, which will take 2 days to do I will charge $150.00. I originally purchased this video over 10 years ago for $250.00 I look forward to hearing from you soon! Kindest regards, Rich ________________________________ From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:40:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer Hello Rich Any idea on how much the video will cost us. Thanks, Al amflyral@yahoo. com --- On Fri, 5/29/09, rfalzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> wrote: From: rfalzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 12:26 PM Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54687	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.

No fire hose or suit necessary here. Seems to me that if a person has money to invest, h/she would also have better sense than to invest in toy trains. Gold, real estate, stocks, maybe. I personally have never met a ³speculator² in toy trains. Just wondering if anyone else has? Roy, speculating on speculators, in Lenexa, KS, Inman on 5/30/09 8:04 PM, Ron Inscho at ronnat@... wrote: > > > > > > Stumpy , keep the fire suit handy I got mine ready just in case, But to > borrow a line from the late Tom Snyder he said that he never bought a train > with the idea of making a profit , but he only bought trains that he liked > & if the price was more than he was willing to pay he did not buy it & would > keep on looking . the same holds true now , If you don't like it & are not > happy with the price don't buy it . As for the speculators that come in to > this hobby hoping to buy low & then make a quick sale at a higher price & > sometimes it actually works that way , but most of these speculators are not > happy with what they actually made & wanting more return on the investment > soon move on to greener pastures & leave us with some alleged to be higher > values & prices , that eventually will settle down to what ever the market > will bear. OK Stumpy stand back , here it comes. Ron > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54688	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.

Bottom line. All the logic presented in the world will not bend those that expect to pay 50's prices in today's market. Just try to buy a plastic laiden, substandard performing Flyonel 0-8-0 switcher for less than $300. You are much better off with the craftsmanship displayed back in AC's day. The intricacies of the 0-8-0 switcher manufactured by Gilbert was magical and representitve of craftmanship and pride of the American worker in those times, not like the slip-shod manufacturing performed in the third world countries today. No matter what Obama might try to sell you, you will not get something for nothing. There are those that were motivated by the Chairman's idea of socialism. Not this American. Capitalism is the backbone of this country. Of course, that's a whole new subject. Sorry.........I didn't mean to get the liberals bent out of shape. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:re: And the final price is...enough. Comparing the price of making a new loco has no bearing on the price of a fifty year old loco. One is brand new with the best of everything and made at today's costs, while the other was made at 1950's costs, is cruder in mechanics and appearance, and well used. The opinions seem to split between collectors and runners, which is to be expected. It's been interesting and more civil than some earlier discussions we've had. However, it also appears we've reached a point where we're all getting tired, so before this gets nasty, I suggest we just "hang it up!" Thanks to all that participated, read ya' on Chat tomorrow night... Stumpy Stone...didn't really need the firesuit after all...east Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54689	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Tom Snyder

I was not aware that Tom Snyder (the TV personality and model train enthousiast) had died. I met him once at a convention, and while he tried not to be conspicuous, it as rather hard as he was about 6' 6" tall.... Anyhow, when did he die (if we are talking about the same person)? Bill Winans But to borrow a line from the late Tom Snyder he said that he never bought a train with the idea of making a profit , but he only bought trains that he liked & if the price was more than he was willing to pay he did not buy it & would keep on looking . Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54690	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

on 5/30/09 2:12 PM, George Cohn at gwcohn@... wrote: >> >Since some of the other vendors have turned down this investment, I > would have to ask why.< > > I looked at the business, and yes, it would a fun thing to do. I thought that > even if it could break even, it would be a way of partially subsidizing my > train habit-travel, lodging, meals associated with attending train show, for > example, would all be tax deductable to the extent of the law. It was not so > much the initial down stroke, but what to do after that. > > Nearly as I can tell, none of the cottage model train businesses make much of > a profit. The folks are doing it primarily because they like model trains. > > I think the market has virtually dried up because almost any scale of track > can now be bought with roadbed attached. The scale folks will continue to hand > lay track or use flex track with cork or some other type of roadbed. So how > much market does that leave? > > I personally prefer the look of Flyer track and rubber roadbed. But I think > that there aren¹t many of us around who still feel that way. > > But who knows: The international market might be better than here in America. > > For someone with extra cash who loves model trains and who wants to take a > flyer (small ³f²), it might be an opportunity. > > Roy Inman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54691	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder

Tom died in july of 2007

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54692	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder

and he notes - Tom Snyder, the same one you mention, died on July 29th, 2007 at age 71. He had a layout which was donated to the Golden State Model RR Museum: http://www.gsmrm.org/tom_snyder/ Raleigh in chilly but clear Maine... At 11:21 PM 5/30/2009, Scale S Only wrote: >I was not aware that Tom Snyder (the TV personality and model train >enthousiast) had died. I met him once at a convention, and while he tried >not to be conspicuous, it as rather hard as he was about 6' 6" tall.... >Anyhow, when did he die (if we are talking about the same person)? > >Bill Winans > >But to borrow a line from the late Tom Snyder he said that he never bought a >train with the idea of making a profit , but he only bought trains that he >liked >& if the price was more than he was willing to pay he did not buy it & would >keep on looking . >Ron > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54693	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?

Bill, I have to think that the Tom Snyder we usually mention here would have gotten a good laugh out of being mistaken for the TV personality of a similar name. If you want to get some really good insights into running AF, go to the archives and search for his name, or dig out some old S Gaugians and read his "Roundhouse" columns. Although I never met him in person, I considered him a friend, and I still miss his emails today. He left us too early; I guess the guy(s) upstairs needed some trains fixed. Although not mentioned here lately, this is one of the real blessings of this internet. While me may misunderstand something said here, and create a minor uproar (or a major one, depending on where you "sit" (in front of the computer; where else??? Heh, Heh, Heh)); it has been, and is, a great way to get together with like-minded folks, and create relationships otherwise never formed. I treasure the friendships I have made here. The few I have met in person, I find that, while we are sometimes very different from each other, we do share a common passion and we have great fun with our trains. Here's a short and long to you all (Steamboat whistle greeting/salute)! S'incerely, David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54694	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?

Dave, Are you thinking of Tom Jarcho???? Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/31/2009 10:29:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: AF, go to the archives and search for his name, or dig out some old S Gaugians and read his "Roundhouse" columns **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54695	From: cornwall9	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Large radius rubber roadbed

Friends, As a returning Flyer operator, I was surprised to see that Flyonel makes 27" Radius curve track. Since I have a lot of vintage rubber roadbed for the older curve track, I was curious if anyone made (makes) roadbed for the larger radius curves. Thanks, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54696	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?

Tom Snyder was a regular the the TTOS and TCA meetings in the LA area in the 70's and 80's when I was attending as well. At one point I sold him a Schuco Disneyland Monorail boxed set among other items bought sold and traded along the way. He was always a gentleman and a pleasure to talk trains with. He did a series of interviews with Ward Kimball that show up on You Tube for reference.   Bill Drake   PS he hosted the Tomorrow show on NBC for many years. --- On Sun, 5/31/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Will the real Tom Snyder stand up? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 10:57 AM Dave, Are you thinking of Tom Jarcho???? Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/31/2009 10:29:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, djdewey@cncnet. com writes: AF, go to the archives and search for his name, or dig out some old S Gaugians and read his "Roundhouse" columns ************ **We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereits at.com/#/ music/all- spots/355/ 47.796964/ -66.374711/ 2/Youve-Found- Where-Its- At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54697	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up?

Unless I'm all wet .... I think David is. Rick. > Dave, > > Are you thinking of Tom Jarcho???? > > Jim Lyle > > > > AF, go to the archives and search for his name, or dig out some old S > Gaugians and read his "Roundhouse" columns > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54698	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

Nick, Your question came at the right time. Johnson Rubber Roadbed Co. has been a thread bouncing around on the list the last week or so. The business is for sale, and there is no inventory of S RR, but if you have about 10K to invest, you can buy the business and molds and make as much as you like. The current owner is placing no new orders with his offshore manufacturer. Roy Inman on 5/31/09 12:30 PM, cornwall9 at cornwall9@... wrote: > > > > > > Friends, > > As a returning Flyer operator, I was surprised to see that Flyonel makes 27" > Radius curve track. Since I have a lot of vintage rubber roadbed for the older > curve track, I was curious if anyone made (makes) roadbed for the larger > radius curves. > > Thanks, > Nick Kulp > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54699	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: DC Layout problem

Hi folks - I hope you can help my with some ideas on how I might resolve this issue. I just converted my layout to DC. It has two separate blocks that are controlled by separate transformers. When it was AC, trains had no problem crossing from one block to another. Now that it is DC, I have a Baldwin with a can motor (I removed the reverse unit) that stops as soon as it crosses from one block to another (front wheels in one block, back wheels in another). If I push it across so that both wheels are in the next block, the engine moves right along. Any ideas? Like I said, this worked fine with AC. Am I missing something? Thanks for your help! -AJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54700	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

Roy,   ===== Nick, Your question came at the right time. Johnson Rubber Roadbed Co. has been a thread bouncing around on the list the last week or so. The business is for sale, and there is no inventory of S RR, but if you have about 10K to invest, you  can buy the business and molds and make as much as you like. =====   Thanks but I think the first thing I mught do before I buy it is purchase an 0-8-0. After that, anything is possible. When my "stimulus check" gets to me, I will bew looking for an investment for all of that money. Buying GM was my first choice. If only they didn't make Chevys.   Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54701	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/31/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54702	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

----- Original Message ----- From: smokestacklightnin . . . . . I just converted my layout to DC. It has two separate blocks that are controlled by separate transformer.. . . . . . . I have a Baldwin with a can motor . . . . . . . that stops as soon as it crosses from one block to another (front wheels in one block, back wheels in another). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > If you run from one DC cab to another, when you're at the point where your right pick-up is connected to one DC source and the left pick up to the other, the only logical thing is for the locomotive to stop, unless it has a big flywheel, because you do not have a complete circuit. If there was no problem when both cabs were AC, the two AC transformers must have had an internal connection. The way it's done in model railroading, cab & block system, is to have a floating block between the two blocks, a section of track long enough to hold all the MU'd or double-headed locomotives you might ever run thru there. When the locomotives are in that block you switch it from being connected to the block you're leaving to the block you're entering. That requires a simple DPDT switch. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12500 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54703	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

AJ,   ===== Hi folks - I hope you can help my with some ideas on how I might resolve this issue.  I just converted my layout to DC.  It has two separate blocks that are controlled by separate transformers.  When it was AC, trains had no problem crossing from one block to another. Now that it is DC, I have a Baldwin with a can motor (I removed the reverse unit) that stops as soon as it crosses from one block to another (front wheels in one block, back wheels in another).  If I push it across so that both wheels are in the next block, the engine moves right along.  Any ideas?  Like I said, this worked fine with AC.  Am I missing something? =====   As wierd as this sounds, it sounds like your power packs (DC transformers) are out of phase. Change the wires to the DC output on one and throw the reverse switch. This should put them back into phase. It happens with DCC boosters as well. Let me know if that solves your problem.   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54704	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

AJ, The first thing that comes to mind is: have you checked the polarity? But even so, if there is no connection from one transformer to the other, when the loco has one truck on the other block, if you have traditional electric pickup (one truck picks up one rail) then, the loco will stall. If you have all wheel pick up, and the polarity is observed, there SHOULD be no problem. Just a thought... JP --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "smokestacklightnin" <ajjohnson.pdx@...> wrote: > > Hi folks - I hope you can help my with some ideas on how I might resolve this issue. I just converted my layout to DC. It has two separate blocks that are controlled by separate transformers. When it was AC, trains had no problem crossing from one block to another. Now that it is DC, I have a Baldwin with a can motor (I removed the reverse unit) that stops as soon as it crosses from one block to another (front wheels in one block, back wheels in another). If I push it across so that both wheels are in the next block, the engine moves right along. Any ideas? Like I said, this worked fine with AC. Am I missing something? > > Thanks for your help! > > -AJ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54705	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Hi Keith,      I feel the same about Reggie as you do. Many people po-poed the items in his collection as fake. I did not, after seeing many prototypes I think the items that Reggie had were mostly originals.      There is a process not to copy videos to DVDs, If you could do this for me it would be greatly appreciated please. Just pass the cost of this onto me. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Keith O <atrains@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Hello, Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour videos and all his audios.20This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. Hope to see you all in July. Best Regards, Keith O. Phoenix AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Booker To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer Might want DVD. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rfalzini@... Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S ga uge American Flyer Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich __________________________________________________________ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54706	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

I plan to go DC on my layout and have been thinking about how to handle exactly what you are running into. If you will be reversing track polarity to reverse your engines, then at the junction of two blocks, you must have some way to ensure that each block has the same polarity. Someone else mentioned polarity. Lets say the black you are on has the engine moving forward, approaching the next block where you have the polarity reversed (as if last time the block was used you were running an engine backwards). That means one track rail (the inside lets say) will be positive for the one block, negative for the block you are going to. As the wheel crosses over the splice, it will cause a dead short if your supplies have a common ground. You can isolate the two blocks with separate xformers but then you will have no power as the pickups cross over the splice, and an abrupt lack of power, followed by an abrupt resuming of power if the engine slides enough to get both pickups on the new block. Not pretty. My thought, not worked out real well yet, is that my two main loops will be separately powered but will have a common ground. Interconnecting the two loops will be a transitional run of track, which will be powered by push buttons, (one connecting me to the from loop, one to the going to loop), requiring me to hold the button down as a forward running engine turns into the transition track from the main loop. If I get distracted, the train simply stops at the switch to the transition. Once the engine is in the transition, I can let off the one push button, and activate the other, to power it from the loop we are approaching. So I will have: 1 - A center off double throw switch for each loop. It will control track polarity. Each loop to have its own DC supply 2 - For the track that transports a train from one loop to another loop, I'll have two push buttons which will power the transitional track with the power in the loop the train is coming from or going to. 3 - I will wire it through the switch positions so that only when the switch is in the proper position, and the push button pressed, will the power be sent to the transition push buttons. 4 - I will use fuses or circuit breakers in case I get stupid and push bother transition push buttons. I hope this confusion actually helps. If not, let it scare you into planning well :-) Dave W. polarity Jerry Poniatowski wrote: > > > > AJ, > > The first thing that comes to mind is: have you checked the polarity? > But even so, if there is no connection from one transformer to the > other, when the loco has one truck on the other block, if you have > traditional electric pickup (one truck picks up one rail) then, the loco > will stall. If you have all wheel pick up, and the polarity is observed, > there SHOULD be no problem. > > Just a thought... > > JP > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "smokestacklightnin" <ajjohnson.pdx@...> wrote: > > > > Hi folks - I hope you can help my with some ideas on how I might > resolve this issue. I just converted my layout to DC. It has two > separate blocks that are controlled by separate transformers. When it > was AC, trains had no problem crossing from one block to another. Now > that it is DC, I have a Baldwin with a can motor (I removed the reverse > unit) that stops as soon as it crosses from one block to another (front > wheels in one block, back wheels in another). If I push it across so > that both wheels are in the next block, the engine moves right along. > Any ideas? Like I said, this worked fine with AC. Am I missing something? > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > -AJ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54707	From: jim_alessio	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder

Tom Snyder, the entertainer, died on July 29, 2007. He was a Lionel enthusist. See his filmography, including his layout, at: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0811571/ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> wrote: > > I was not aware that Tom Snyder (the TV personality and model train > enthousiast) had died. I met him once at a convention, and while he tried > not to be conspicuous, it as rather hard as he was about 6' 6" tall.... > Anyhow, when did he die (if we are talking about the same person)? > > Bill Winans > > But to borrow a line from the late Tom Snyder he said that he never bought a > train with the idea of making a profit , but he only bought trains that he > liked > & if the price was more than he was willing to pay he did not buy it & would > keep on looking . > Ron >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54708	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.

Yes you did - consist with all the other conservative stuff you have said. And consistent with the stock market, speculative mentality that has left the world an economic wreck. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:re: And the final price is...enough. Bottom line. All the logic presented in the world will not bend those that expect to pay 50's prices in today's market. Just try to buy a plastic laiden, substandard performing Flyonel 0-8-0 switcher for less than $300. You are much better off with the craftsmanship displayed back in AC's day. The intricacies of the 0-8-0 switcher manufactured by Gilbert was magical and representitve of craftmanship and pride of the American worker in those times, not like the slip-shod manufacturing performed in the third world countries today. No matter what Obama might try to sell you, you will not get something for nothing. There are those that were motivated by the Chairman's idea of socialism. Not this American. Capitalism is the backbone of this country. Of course, that's a whole new subject. Sorry.........I didn't mean to get the liberals bent out of shape. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:re: And the final price is...enough. Comparing the price of making a new loco has no bearing on the price of a fifty year old loco. One is brand new with the best of everything and made at today's costs, while the other was made at 1950's costs, is cruder in mechanics and appearance, and well used. The opinions seem to split between collectors and runners, which is to be expected. It's been interesting and more civil than some earlier discussions we've had. However, it also appears we've reached a point where we're all getting tired, so before this gets nasty, I suggest we just "hang it up!" Thanks to all that participated, read ya' on Chat tomorrow night... Stumpy Stone...didn't really need the firesuit after all...east Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54709	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder

and he notes - A better biography appears on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Snyder Raleigh in Maine surviving the raine... At 08:23 PM 5/31/2009, jim_alessio wrote: >Tom Snyder, the entertainer, died on July 29, 2007. He was a Lionel >enthusist. See his filmography, including his layout, at: > ><http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0811571/>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0811571/ > >--- In <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, >"Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> wrote: > > > > I was not aware that Tom Snyder (the TV personality and model train > > enthousiast) had died. I met him once at a convention, and while he tried > > not to be conspicuous, it as rather hard as he was about 6' 6" tall.... > > Anyhow, when did he die (if we are talking about the same person)? > > > > Bill Winans > > > > But to borrow a line from the late Tom Snyder he said that he > never bought a > > train with the idea of making a profit , but he only bought trains that he > > liked > > & if the price was more than he was willing to pay he did not buy > it & would > > keep on looking . > > Ron > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54710	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

Tom,   ===== The way it's done in model railroading, cab & block system, is to have a floating block between the two blocks, a section of track long enough to hold all the MU'd or double-headed locomotives you might ever run thru there.  When the locomotives are in that block you switch it from being connected to the block you're leaving to the block you're entering.  That requires a simple DPDT switch. Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan =====   Thanks for refreshing my memory. That is exactly the way we used to do it before DCC. It has been so long I had forgotten that. We used to use rotary switches for multiple cabs but I never experienced a loco going "dead" when crossing over into a block already under power from another cab. Usually, the loco just kept running, controlled by the other guy's cab. and before you ask, I did not use common rail. That might solve the gentleman's problem as well.   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54711	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: when making the pilgrimage to Erector Square

Friends of ours who reside in Berkeley, California are visiting here in the East. Yesterday they drove from New Haven back to our home in Fresh Meadows (Queens, NYC) after visiting their son. They brought utterly scrumptious Italian pastries from Libby's Italian Pastry Shop (http://www.libbyscookies.com/. It's at 139 - 141 Wooster Street. I might risk starting a nasty dispute with this opinion: the sfogliatelle were the most scrumptious I've ever had. When making a pilgrimage to honor Mr. Gilbert, be sure to celebrate with some delicacies from Libby's, or vice versa!. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54712	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: And the final price is...enough.

Alistair McAllister wrote: > > Yes you did - consist with all the other conservative stuff you have said. > And consistent with the stock market, speculative mentality that has left > the world an economic wreck. Alistair Capitalism is an unfortunate name, I refer to how things were once in the use as a free market. It was free in the sense that everyone could offer a service or product to anyone, at any asking price, and anyone could offer to buy it, at their offering price. The ultimate deal was a mater of free negotiation between people. Sounds ideal to me, not Conservative particularly. The result was not exploitation, but a kind of natural fairness, and naturally balancing forces, where order emerges from what might seem chaotic, and of course productivity like the world had never before seen. Such productivity, that even those who somehow had learned no worthwhile skill, had nothing to offer, survived on the charity of their fellows. It was wonderful, human, humane. > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf > Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:25 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:re: And the final price is...enough. > > Bottom line. All the logic presented in the world will not bend those that > expect to pay 50's prices in today's market. Just try to buy a plastic > laiden, substandard performing Flyonel 0-8-0 switcher for less than $300. > You are much better off with the craftsmanship displayed back in AC's day. > The intricacies of the 0-8-0 switcher manufactured by Gilbert was magical > and representitve of craftmanship and pride of the American worker in those > times, not like the slip-shod manufacturing performed in the third world > countries today. > > No matter what Obama might try to sell you, you will not get something for > nothing. There are those that were motivated by the Chairman's idea of > socialism. Not this American. Capitalism is the backbone of this country. Of > course, that's a whole new subject. Sorry.........I didn't mean to get the > liberals bent out of shape. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:13 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:re: And the final price is...enough. > > Comparing the price of making a new loco has no bearing on the price of a > fifty year old loco. One is brand new with the best of everything and made > at today's costs, while the other was made at 1950's costs, is cruder in > mechanics and appearance, and well used. > The opinions seem to split between collectors and runners, which is to be > expected. It's been interesting and more civil than some earlier discussions > we've had. > However, it also appears we've reached a point where we're all getting > tired, so before this gets nasty, I suggest we just "hang it up!" > Thanks to all that participated, read ya' on Chat tomorrow night... > Stumpy Stone...didn't really need the firesuit after all...east Ahia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54713	From: Paul Limone	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: when making the pilgrimage to Erector Square

Oh My! The LUCIBELLO PASTRY on OLIVE STREET NEW HAVEN fans will no doubt disagree with your review Mr Shifrin. Kinda like which pizza (BTW its "apizza" here in New Haven) PEPE - SALLY - or MODERN? Kinda like whats better LIONEL or FLYER?? On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: > > > Friends of ours who reside in Berkeley, California are visiting here in the > East. Yesterday they drove from New Haven back to our home in Fresh Meadows > (Queens, NYC) after visiting their son. They brought utterly scrumptious > Italian pastries from Libby's Italian Pastry Shop ( > http://www.libbyscookies.com/. It's at 139 - 141 Wooster Street. > > I might risk starting a nasty dispute with this opinion: the sfogliatelle > were the most scrumptious I've ever had. When making a pilgrimage to honor > Mr. Gilbert, be sure to celebrate with some delicacies from Libby's, or vice > versa!. > > Shiffy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54714	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: when making the pilgrimage to Erector Square

Paul: Thanks for the tip. I travel all over in my business and I make a point to stop at train stores and Italian bakeries. I was doing a project in Brooklyn once and I tried to eat my way through the borough. True story, one holiday party a few years ago I had the trains up and canollis on flat cars going down the track! Fun stuff. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from Paul Limone <plimo7@...>: -------------- Oh My! The LUCIBELLO PASTRY on OLIVE STREET NEW HAVEN fans will no doubt disagree with your review Mr Shifrin. Kinda like which pizza (BTW its "apizza" here in New Haven) PEPE - SALLY - or MODERN? Kinda like whats better LIONEL or FLYER?? On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: > > > Friends of ours who reside in Berkeley, California are visiting here in the > East. Yesterday they drove from New Haven back to our home in Fresh Meadows > (Queens, NYC) after visiting their son. They brought utterly scrumptious > Italian pastries from Libby's Italian Pastry Shop ( > http://www.libbyscookies.com/. It's at 139 - 141 Wooster Street. > > I might risk starting a nasty dispute with this opinion: the sfogliatelle > were the most scrumptious I've ever had. When making a pilgrimage to honor > Mr. Gilbert, be sure to celebrate with some delicacies from Libby's, or vice > versa!. > > Shiffy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54715	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

Nick - when you say "common rail," do you mean the floating block that Tom is talking about? One piece of info that I left out was that the transformer is an MRC Tech 4 dual transformer ( http://www.onlinetrains.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=500-280&Category_Code=MRC). My old transformer was an American Flyer AC transformer from the 50s. I guess I'm still confused why a product from the 50s would have this "technology" built in whereas the brand new transformer doesn't have this capability. Is this something inherent in the differences between AC and DC? Do other transformers have this capability. BTW, Tom, you were right on, my SHS engine which has pickups on both wheels cruises right through the block threshold. Thanks to all who responded!!! -AJ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > > Tom, > > ===== > > The way it's done in model railroading, cab & block system, is to have a > floating block between the two blocks, a section of track long enough to > hold all the MU'd or double-headed locomotives you might ever run thru > there. When the locomotives are in that block you switch it from being > connected to the block you're leaving to the block you're entering. That > requires a simple DPDT switch. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > ===== > > Thanks for refreshing my memory. That is exactly the way we used to do it > before DCC. It has been so long I had forgotten that. We used to use rotary > switches for multiple cabs but I never experienced a loco going "dead" when > crossing over into a block already under power from another cab. Usually, > the loco just kept running, controlled by the other guy's cab. and before > you ask, I did not use common rail. That might solve the gentleman's problem > as well. > > Nick Kulp > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54716	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Will the real Tom Snyder stand up? OOOPS!!

Hi all, Yes, of course, I was thinking of Tom Jarcho. Oooh booy, I can only blame that on the stress I'm under with my dispute with the city over my salary steps and lack theoreof, AND the threat of no job come July1. So, so sorry, my BIG mistake there. S' David D. PS I get my own family's names mixed up too. . . . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54717	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Powerpacks and transformers

----- Original Message ----- From: AJ Johnson . . . . . . . the [DC powerpack] transformer is an MRC Tech 4 . . . . . . . .My old transformer was an American Flyer AC transformer . . . . . . I'm still confused why a product from the 50s would have this "technology" built in whereas the brand new transformer doesn't have this capability. > > > > > > > > > -----------Response--------- If you want each of your AC transformers or DC powerpacks to control a different section of the railroad, it is NOT an advantage to have the two of them electrically connected in any way, unless you have a well-thought-out common rail system. ACGilbert made theirs that way for economical reasons, and in some situations, like yours, in may have been useful. And in DC control with blocks and cabs, one usually has each block capable of being connected to either cab (powerpack), and when your motive power goes from one block to another, you switch the block you're entering to to the cab you're running on. Tom Hawley Is this something inherent in the differences between AC and DC? Do other transformers have this capability. BTW, Tom, you were right on, my SHS engine which has pickups on both wheels cruises right through the block threshold. Thanks to all who responded!!! -AJ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > > Tom, > > ===== > > The way it's done in model railroading, cab & block system, is to have a > floating block between the two blocks, a section of track long enough to > hold all the MU'd or double-headed locomotives you might ever run thru > there. When the locomotives are in that block you switch it from being > connected to the block you're leaving to the block you're entering. That > requires a simple DPDT switch. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > ===== > > Thanks for refreshing my memory. That is exactly the way we used to do it > before DCC. It has been so long I had forgotten that. We used to use > rotary > switches for multiple cabs but I never experienced a loco going "dead" > when > crossing over into a block already under power from another cab. Usually, > the loco just kept running, controlled by the other guy's cab. and before > you ask, I did not use common rail. That might solve the gentleman's > problem > as well. > > Nick Kulp > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12510 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12510 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54718	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Powerpacks and transformers

Thanks Tom. I know what I need to do now. I appreciate the input. -AJ On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AJ Johnson > . . . . . . . the [DC powerpack] transformer is an MRC Tech 4 . . . . . . . > > .My old transformer was an American Flyer AC transformer . . . . . . I'm > still confused why a product from the 50s would have this "technology" > built > in whereas the brand new transformer doesn't have this capability. > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response--------- > If you want each of your AC transformers or DC powerpacks to control a > different section of the railroad, it is NOT an advantage to have the two > of > them electrically connected in any way, unless you have a well-thought-out > common rail system. ACGilbert made theirs that way for economical reasons, > and in some situations, like yours, in may have been useful. > > And in DC control with blocks and cabs, one usually has each block capable > of being connected to either cab (powerpack), and when your motive power > goes from one block to another, you switch the block you're entering to to > the cab you're running on. > > Tom Hawley > > Is this something inherent in the differences between AC and > DC? Do other transformers have this capability. > > BTW, Tom, you were right on, my SHS engine which has pickups on both wheels > cruises right through the block threshold. > > Thanks to all who responded!!! > > -AJ > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...<cornwall9%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > ===== > > > > The way it's done in model railroading, cab & block system, is to have a > > floating block between the two blocks, a section of track long enough to > > hold all the MU'd or double-headed locomotives you might ever run thru > > there. When the locomotives are in that block you switch it from being > > connected to the block you're leaving to the block you're entering. That > > requires a simple DPDT switch. > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > ===== > > > > Thanks for refreshing my memory. That is exactly the way we used to do it > > before DCC. It has been so long I had forgotten that. We used to use > > rotary > > switches for multiple cabs but I never experienced a loco going "dead" > > when > > crossing over into a block already under power from another cab. Usually, > > the loco just kept running, controlled by the other guy's cab. and before > > you ask, I did not use common rail. That might solve the gentleman's > > problem > > as well. > > > > Nick Kulp > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.12510 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.12510 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54719	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

AJ,   ===== Nick - when you say "common rail," do you mean the floating block that Tom is talking about? =====   I was wrong about common rail. It has been almost 18 years since I used DC. A "common" rail is where you tie one input from both power packs onto one "common" rail of the two rails. It works to smooth out the transition between two power sources in a situation that you described but,Tom is also correct in stating that you need to have a very complete wiring plan to do this right.   The "floating" block system is simply a block powered by both power sources but the blocks preceding the "floter" are only powered by one of the packs. A very inefficient method of using multiple power packs. It is a lot easier to use center-off Double-Pole Double-throw (DPDT) switches for every block and simply select which you want to use for what block. As Tom also said, you select the "next block" prior to entering it with your train.   Atlas used to make a lot of simple electrical switches specifically designned for DC operations. They still might. Model Railroader also ran a LOT of Primers for newbie modelers that explained how to wire for multiple cab controls using electrical blocks. If I can, I will do a little research to find an article in MR for you.   BTW, MRC is one of the best power pack makers in the industry. They are in New Jersey, USA and they still stand behind their products. They do not believe in planned obsolecense.   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54720	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Powerpacks and transformers

Whether by accident or design, your two American Flyer transformers were in phase. This produced AC power across the gap even though there were no physical connections on the track power side of the transformers. Since DC does not have phase it is necessary to provide a kind of bridging section of track that connects to either block A or block B depending upon the transition desired. Technology issue is the same today as in the '50's and would have had the same problem if you used a couple of the Gilbert DC power supplies at the time.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Powerpacks and transformers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:35 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: AJ Johnson . . . . . . . the [DC powerpack] transformer is an MRC Tech 4 . . . . . . . .My old transformer was an American Flyer AC transformer . . . . . . I'm still confused why a product from the 50s would have this "technology" built in whereas the brand new transformer doesn't have this capability. > > > > > > > > > -----------Response --------- If you want each of your AC transformers or DC powerpacks to control a different section of the railroad, it is NOT an advantage to have the two of them electrically connected in any way, unless you have a well-thought- out common rail system. ACGilbert made theirs that way for economical reasons, and in some situations, like yours, in may have been useful. And in DC control with blocks and cabs, one usually has each block capable of being connected to either cab (powerpack), and when your motive power goes from one block to another, you switch the block you're entering to to the cab you're running on. Tom Hawley Is this something inherent in the differences between AC and DC? Do other transformers have this capability. BTW, Tom, you were right on, my SHS engine which has pickups on both wheels cruises right through the block threshold. Thanks to all who responded!!! -AJ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > Tom, > > ===== > > The way it's done in model railroading, cab & block system, is to have a > floating block between the two blocks, a section of track long enough to > hold all the MU'd or double-headed locomotives you might ever run thru > there. When the locomotives are in that block you switch it from being > connected to the block you're leaving to the block you're entering. That > requires a simple DPDT switch. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > ===== > > Thanks for refreshing my memory. That is exactly the way we used to do it > before DCC. It has been so long I had forgotten that. We used to use > rotary > switches for multiple cabs but I never experienced a loco going "dead" > when > crossing over into a block already under power from another cab. Usually, > the loco just kept running, controlled by the other guy's cab. and before > you ask, I did not use common rail. That might solve the gentleman's > problem > as well. > > Nick Kulp > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12510 http://www.pctools com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12510 http://www.pctools com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54721	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: DC Layout problem

To all: I think the wiring book was by LYNN WESCOTT In a message dated 6/1/2009 3:47:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cornwall9@... writes: AJ, ===== Nick - when you say "common rail," do you mean the floating block that Tom is talking about? ===== I was wrong about common rail. It has been almost 18 years since I used DC. A "common" rail is where you tie one input from both power packs onto one "common" rail of the two rails. It works to smooth out the transition between two power sources in a situation that you described but,Tom is also correct in stating that you need to have a very complete wiring plan to do this right. The "floating" block system is simply a block powered by both power sources but the blocks preceding the "floter" are only powered by one of the packs. A very inefficient method of using multiple power packs. It is a lot easier to use center-off Double-Pole Double-throw (DPDT) switches for every block and simply select which you want to use for what block. As Tom also said, you select the "next block" prior to entering it with your train. Atlas used to make a lot of simple electrical switches specifically designned for DC operations. They still might. Model Railroader also ran a LOT of Primers for newbie modelers that explained how to wire for multiple cab controls using electrical blocks. If I can, I will do a little research to find an article in MR for you. BTW, MRC is one of the best power pack makers in the industry. They are in New Jersey, USA and they still stand behind their products. They do not believe in planned obsolecense. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54722	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: S-helper presentation at NTTM

S-Helper presentation at National Toy Train Museum, Spring 09 _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgKJiStD5ok&feature=channel_page_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgKJiStD5ok&feature=channel_page) Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54723	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

Yes but he is selling the business Johnson I think. --- On Sun, 5/31/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Large radius rubber roadbed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 12:30 PM Friends, As a returning Flyer operator, I was surprised to see that Flyonel makes 27" Radius curve track. Since I have a lot of vintage rubber roadbed for the older curve track, I was curious if anyone made (makes) roadbed for the larger radius curves. Thanks, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54724	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

I will chip in a few bucks if we can get a group of us to buy it. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale on 5/30/09 2:12 PM, George Cohn at gwcohn@... wrote: >> >Since some of the other vendors have turned down this investment, I > would have to ask why.< > > I looked at the business, and yes, it would a fun thing to do. I thought that > even if it could break even, it would be a way of partially subsidizing my > train habit-travel, lodging, meals associated with attending train show, for > example, would all be tax deductable to the extent of the law. It was not so > much the initial down stroke, but what to do after that. > > Nearly as I can tell, none of the cottage model train businesses make much of > a profit. The folks are doing it primarily because they like model trains. > > I think the market has virtually dried up because almost any scale of track > can now be bought with roadbed attached. The scale folks will continue to hand > lay track or use flex track with cork or some other type of roadbed. So how > much market does that leave? > > I personally prefer the look of Flyer track and rubber roadbed. But I think > that there aren¹t many of us around who still feel that way. > > But who knows: The international market might be better than here in America. > > For someone with extra cash who loves model trains and who wants to take a > flyer (small ³f²), it might be an opportunity. > > Roy Inman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54725	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

only 10k      $10,000.00 ?   Where is the business located now? --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Large radius rubber roadbed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 3:29 PM Roy,   ===== Nick, Your question came at the right time. Johnson Rubber Roadbed Co. has been a thread bouncing around on the list the last week or so. The business is for sale, and there is no inventory of S RR, but if you have about 10K to invest, you  can buy the business and molds and make as much as you like. =====   Thanks but I think the first thing I mught do before I buy it is purchase an 0-8-0. After that, anything is possible. When my "stimulus check" gets to me, I will bew looking for an investment for all of that money. Buying GM was my first choice. If only they didn't make Chevys.   Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54726	From: Keith O	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Hi Harwood, Got it! I have 9 DVDs burned from Reggie's 5 master VHS tapes and the quality is very good! I just need to figure out the easy part, how to copy a DVD. As soon as I do so I will burn you a copy for the cost of the 9 DVDs. I don't think these tapes should be copied and sold for profit, Reggie wrote me that he was charging $65.00 for them. Far more than they are worth, especially the 2 long-play (6 hour format) VHS copies. I have the masters also to the long-play VHS's and they're not worth burning to DVD with all the tripod clicking and other noises. This DVD copying might take me a while to figure out but I will burn a bunch of copies and contact you and the group as soon as I get it done. Best regards, Keith O. ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Hi Keith, I feel the same about Reggie as you do. Many people po-poed the items in his collection as fake. I did not, after seeing many prototypes I think the items that Reggie had were mostly originals. There is a process not to copy videos to DVDs, If you could do this for me it would be greatly appreciated please. Just pass the cost of this onto me. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Keith O <atrains@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Hello, Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour videos and all his audios.20This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. Hope to see you all in July. Best Regards, Keith O. Phoenix AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Booker To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer Might want DVD. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rfalzini@... Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S ga uge American Flyer Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54727	From: Phil K	Date: 6/1/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Keith -- I got this the other day, unsolicited: ====================================================== Hello, I'm contacting you because you have expressed an interest in my 12 hour American Flyer video. This video will be put onto 2 DVD'S, 6 hours each. I had originally purchased this video over 10 years ago for $250.00. If you are still interested in owning a copy of these DVD'S, please mail me a money order, for $150.00. This boils down to $25.00 per 2 hours, which is what you would normally pay for a 2 hour movie at the store. I will begin making your copy when I receive your payment. I prefer money order, but will also accept a cashier's check. If you are still interested in purchasing them, please send me your payment to --- Richard Falzini ==================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Keith O" <atrains@...> wrote: > > Hi Harwood, > Got it! I have 9 DVDs burned from Reggie's 5 master VHS tapes and the quality is very good! > I just need to figure out the easy part, how to copy a DVD. As soon as I do so I will burn you a copy > for the cost of the 9 DVDs. I don't think these tapes should be copied and sold for profit, Reggie wrote me that > he was charging $65.00 for them. Far more than they are worth, especially the 2 long-play (6 hour format) VHS > copies. I have the masters also to the long-play VHS's and they're not worth burning to DVD with > all the tripod clicking and other noises. This DVD copying might take me a while to figure out but I will burn > a bunch of copies and contact you and the group as soon as I get it done. > > Best regards, > > Keith O. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HOwingsiii@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > > > > > Hi Keith, > I feel the same about Reggie as you do. Many people po-poed the items in his collection as fake. I did not, after seeing many prototypes I think the items that Reggie had were mostly originals. > There is a process not to copy videos to DVDs, If you could do this for me it would be greatly appreciated please. Just pass the cost of this onto me. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith O <atrains@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:49 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > Hello, > Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. > Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious > comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, > his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there > wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much > destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift > stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), > not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. > > Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour > videos and all his audios.20This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by > copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue > their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled > the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie > speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio > tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' > "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and > James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. > As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? > I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. > > Hope to see you all in July. > Best Regards, > > Keith O. > Phoenix AZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Booker > To: S-Trains > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer > > Might want DVD. > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: rfalzini@... > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S ga > uge American Flyer > > Hello, > To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. > > I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. > > Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? > > 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. > > Rich >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54728	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

West coast. Doug Peck says the roadbed is manufactured in China. You gotta buy large quantities to make it at least potentially profitable. Roy Inman on 6/1/09 8:30 PM, mike rosz at mikenguy9@... wrote: > > > > > > only 10k      $10,000.00 ? >   > Where is the business located now? > > --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@... > <mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@... <mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Large radius rubber roadbed > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 3:29 PM > > Roy, >   > ===== > Nick, > > Your question came at the right time. > > Johnson Rubber Roadbed Co. has been a thread bouncing around on the list the > last week or so. The business is for sale, and there is no inventory of S > RR, but if you have about 10K to invest, you  can buy the business and molds > and make as much as you like. > ===== >   > Thanks but I think the first thing I mught do before I buy it is purchase an > 0-8-0. After that, anything is possible. When my "stimulus check" gets to me, > I will bew looking for an investment for all of that money. Buying GM was my > first choice. If only they didn't make Chevys. >   > Nick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54729	From: zdava	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: how do I replace traction tires on 50's AF diesel?

The rubber tires are disintegrating and I need to know where to buy new ones and also, how to replace them. Do I need to take the wheel off the axle to do this? Thank you, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54730	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

on 6/1/09 7:46 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > >> >I will chip in a few bucks if we can get a group of us to buy it. > > Mike Marmer< > > Interesting thought. It would take a bit of coordination, and a lot of trust. > Ten backers could put up 1K each, then hire a manager (working partner) and > pay him/her a percentage of the profits. > > Lots of other variations, but seems to me that someone would need considerable > space to keep the inventory, go to lots of train shows, preferably around the > country, and then of course handle the very important marketing. > > Dozens of other details to be worked out, and I am not nearly smart enough to > make something like this work. Maybe if there is a successful business person > in the group, we could get some ideas from him or her. > > Roy Inman > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54731	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Keith, I would be interested in purchasing a set for my own use, as well. Please let me know when they become available. Thank you very much. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith O To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Hi Harwood, Got it! I have 9 DVDs burned from Reggie's 5 master VHS tapes and the quality is very good! I just need to figure out the easy part, how to copy a DVD. As soon as I do so I will burn you a copy for the cost of the 9 DVDs. I don't think these tapes should be copied and sold for profit, Reggie wrote me that he was charging $65.00 for them. Far more than they are worth, especially the 2 long-play (6 hour format) VHS copies. I have the masters also to the long-play VHS's and they're not worth burning to DVD with all the tripod clicking and other noises. This DVD copying might take me a while to figure out but I will burn a bunch of copies and contact you and the group as soon as I get it done. Best regards, Keith O. ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Hi Keith, I feel the same about Reggie as you do. Many people po-poed the items in his collection as fake. I did not, after seeing many prototypes I think the items that Reggie had were mostly originals. There is a process not to copy videos to DVDs, If you could do this for me it would be greatly appreciated please. Just pass the cost of this onto me. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Keith O <atrains@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Hello, Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour videos and all his audios.20This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. Hope to see you all in July. Best Regards, Keith O. Phoenix AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Booker To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer Might want DVD. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rfalzini@... Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S ga uge American Flyer Hello, To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54732	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: how do I replace traction tires on 50's AF diesel?

There are replacement wheels available for this. Unless you have the late version 5 digit loco with the replaceable bands, the entire wheel needs to be removed and replaced with a new one. Check with Port Lines Hobby. They have these wheels in stock. We provide this service if you are not comfortable doing this. Tooling makes it easy to do. Hit and miss can make the wheels go on crooked and wobble like crazy. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 06/02/2009 9:10:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, zdava@... writes: The rubber tires are disintegrating and I need to know where to buy new ones and also, how to replace them. Do I need to take the wheel off the axle to do this? Thank you, Dave **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585042x1201462767/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54733	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Be careful out there. The three best ways to ruin a friendship are discussing politics, comparing religions and starting a business. Friendships of the sort we cultivate here are especially fragile because we only send very brief messages that are easily misunderstood. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:36 AM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale on 6/1/09 7:46 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@msn. <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> com wrote: > >> >I will chip in a few bucks if we can get a group of us to buy it. > > Mike Marmer< > > Interesting thought. It would take a bit of coordination, and a lot of trust. > Ten backers could put up 1K each, then hire a manager (working partner) and > pay him/her a percentage of the profits. > > Lots of other variations, but seems to me that someone would need considerable > space to keep the inventory, go to lots of train shows, preferably around the > country, and then of course handle the very important marketing. > > Dozens of other details to be worked out, and I am not nearly smart enough to > make something like this work. Maybe if there is a successful business person > in the group, we could get some ideas from him or her. > > Roy Inman > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54734	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS

Can white walls be replaced on a 322? If so how? Do they pry off? Mike **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585042x1201462767/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54735	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

I am quite confused here. I have seen price quoted ranging from "cost of the 9 CDs" to "$250". The first does not recognize the value of your own time in producing these, so it's unreasonably low (IMHO). The second seems to me to be quite high. ???????????? Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54736	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Parts & Service Book for Gilbert American Flyer

To All "S" Gaugers,                    I've justed finished a Parts & Service Book for Gilbert American Flyer Trains 1938 to 1966 HO-O-S. I've incorporated the Triple "S" Supplies parts catalog into the book. Includes over 60 exploded views including passenger cars & freight cars, over 20 repair instructions and 50 wiring diagrams. 200 Pages. Spiral bound for the workbench. Has illustrations of water decals, stickers & dry transfers. Puts the K-Line book to shame.  Price is $24.95 plus $2.50 S&H.   I put one on ebay if you want a short preview. ssstrains.                                                       Tom Seccia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54737	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS

Check our website AF REPAIR CLINICS.......... Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Can white walls be replaced on a 322? If so how? Do they pry off? Mike > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585042x1201462767/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun > eExcfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54738	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Absolutely! That is why I said it would also take ³lots of trust.² What we need is an ³Angel² like some artists are fortunate enough to have... Roy Inman on 6/2/09 10:37 AM, Bill Porter at wpporter@... wrote: > > > > > > Be careful out there. The three best ways to ruin a friendship are > discussing politics, comparing religions and starting a business. > Friendships of the sort we cultivate here are especially fragile because we > only send very brief messages that are easily misunderstood. > > Good Luck, > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of Roy Inman > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:36 AM > To: S-trains > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale > > on 6/1/09 7:46 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@msn. > <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> com wrote: >> > >>>> >> >I will chip in a few bucks if we can get a group of us to buy it. >> > >> > Mike Marmer< >> > >> > Interesting thought. It would take a bit of coordination, and a lot of > trust. >> > Ten backers could put up 1K each, then hire a manager (working partner) > and >> > pay him/her a percentage of the profits. >> > >> > Lots of other variations, but seems to me that someone would need > considerable >> > space to keep the inventory, go to lots of train shows, preferably around > the >> > country, and then of course handle the very important marketing. >> > >> > Dozens of other details to be worked out, and I am not nearly smart enough > to >> > make something like this work. Maybe if there is a successful business > person >> > in the group, we could get some ideas from him or her. >> > >> > Roy Inman >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54739	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

So, if we all buy this company together, then in about a month we would all hate each other and then that would be the end of the S Trains list? And maybe the company. Just kidding, as yes, that is agreed. There is a saying in the restaurant business on how to be a millionaire. Start with two, as you lose a million in the process. Running a business has allot of bits to it, most of us, do not want to do. I.E. knowing how much product to stock, so it turns over or you got a problem on your hand, of having dollars, yours, tied up in something. And then the opposite, not having enough product and then losing customers. Very difficult to predict, especially in a product like this. Also, you need to go over the Books of the company to see sales and expensives, profit and lost statements, etc. In my opinion, I would avoid this business, unless, again, money is not the key needed item to live off of. Could be great just for the enjoyment of it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale Absolutely! That is why I said it would also take ³lots of trust.² What we need is an ³Angel² like some artists are fortunate enough to have... Roy Inman on 6/2/09 10:37 AM, Bill Porter at wpporter@... wrote: > > > > > > Be careful out there. The three best ways to ruin a friendship are > discussing politics, comparing religions and starting a business. > Friendships of the sort we cultivate here are especially fragile because we > only send very brief messages that are easily misunderstood. > > Good Luck, > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of Roy Inman > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:36 AM > To: S-trains > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale > > on 6/1/09 7:46 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@msn. > <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> com wrote: >> > >>>> >> >I will chip in a few bucks if we can get a group of us to buy it. >> > >> > Mike Marmer< >> > >> > Interesting thought. It would take a bit of coordination, and a lot of > trust. >> > Ten backers could put up 1K each, then hire a manager (working partner) > and >> > pay him/her a percentage of the profits. >> > >> > Lots of other variations, but seems to me that someone would need > considerable >> > space to keep the inventory, go to lots of train shows, preferably around > the >> > country, and then of course handle the very important marketing. >> > >> > Dozens of other details to be worked out, and I am not nearly smart enough > to >> > make something like this work. Maybe if there is a successful business > person >> > in the group, we could get some ideas from him or her. >> > >> > Roy Inman >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54740	From: herbw202	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

The first wants to contribute something to the hobby. It's the same as people writing articles for no fee. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > I am quite confused here. > I have seen price quoted ranging from "cost of the 9 CDs" to "$250". > The first does not recognize the value of your own time in producing these, so it's unreasonably low (IMHO). > The second seems to me to be quite high. > ???????????? > > Doug >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

Okay, then next you need to forecast yearly sales and expensives. Tough to forecast yearly sales in a item like this. I think it is for someone who does not need the money to live on and would enjoy this business opportunity. I would hate to see someone later ask the government for a deal like with the auto industry if they buy the business for their only source of income. Then the whole country would own a rubber roadbed company for toy train track. Would that be something. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale on 6/1/09 7:46 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > >> >I will chip in a few bucks if we can get a group of us to buy it. > > Mike Marmer< > > Interesting thought. It would take a bit of coordination, and a lot of trust. > Ten backers could put up 1K each, then hire a manager (working partner) and > pay him/her a percentage of the profits. > > Lots of other variations, but seems to me that someone would need considerable > space to keep the inventory, go to lots of train shows, preferably around the > country, and then of course handle the very important marketing. > > Dozens of other details to be worked out, and I am not nearly smart enough to > make something like this work. Maybe if there is a successful business person > in the group, we could get some ideas from him or her. > > Roy Inman > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54742	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

LOL And then money is tied up in inventory that one may never recoup, so then we do a bailout for the new owner. JUST KIDDING. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Large radius rubber roadbed West coast. Doug Peck says the roadbed is manufactured in China. You gotta buy large quantities to make it at least potentially profitable. Roy Inman on 6/1/09 8:30 PM, mike rosz at mikenguy9@... wrote: > > > > > > only 10k $10,000.00 ? > > Where is the business located now? > > --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@... > <mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@... <mailto:cornwall9%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Large radius rubber roadbed > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 3:29 PM > > Roy, > > ===== > Nick, > > Your question came at the right time. > > Johnson Rubber Roadbed Co. has been a thread bouncing around on the list the > last week or so. The business is for sale, and there is no inventory of S > RR, but if you have about 10K to invest, you can buy the business and molds > and make as much as you like. > ===== > > Thanks but I think the first thing I mught do before I buy it is purchase an > 0-8-0. After that, anything is possible. When my "stimulus check" gets to me, > I will bew looking for an investment for all of that money. Buying GM was my > first choice. If only they didn't make Chevys. > > Nick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54743	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

From what I have gathered, $10K gets you the business and the existing O gauge inventory then another $10-$15K actually gets you some S scale inventory. I'm actually kind of interested because I am retired and would like a little supplemental income. However, $25K is a bit more than I would care to invest right now. Any of the regular vendors interested in a partnership? ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54744	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

OK, just talked to the lady owner of the business. They have changed their mind and the business is not for sale. They will no longer be carrying O or O27 gauge, just Flyer. They will be placing an order with their supplier soon and will have plenty of Flyer stock roadbed, at least 6 weeks before Christmas. Also, they will no longer be selling small quantities, an order will have to be something like 20 - 25 pieces of any one type. It just isn't cost effective to sell one or two pieces, what with the cost of shipping and order processing. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54745	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Has anyone considered who owns the rights to reproduce and sell these videos? It appears that there are two individuals who are going reproduce and distribute these videos, Mr. Falzini and Keith O. Did Mr. Falzini also obtain all rights to these videos? Who got it first? Whatever the quality of these videos, they were originally Mr. Carnes property. Considering how destitute he is right now, has anyone considered sharing the proceeds of these sales with him? It seems to me that would be nice to do, though perhaps not legally required if the rights were truly purchased by one of the producers. Dale Smith Keith O wrote: > > > > Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a > small amount) his masters of the 11 hour > videos and all his audios. This included all rights to do with them > whatever I wish. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54746	From: John	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

I have to agree with Doug here....... What are you getting and how much it it going to cost ???? Speaking from experience... converting old vcr tapes over to dvds IS time consuming Breaking the videos down into managable segments, editing the videos and converting them all to dvd I was working on 4- 2 hour tapes for about a week to get everything recorded, edited and put on dvd's. The most time is spent capturing the video into the computer to start with and then editing them. Once you have them on dvd then just a matter of duplicating the dvd's. That's the easy part! So again ..... what is the bottom line?? What do you get and what will it cost?? john ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video I am quite confused here. I have seen price quoted ranging from "cost of the 9 CDs" to "$250". The first does not recognize the value of your own time in producing these, so it's unreasonably low (IMHO). The second seems to me to be quite high. ???????????? Doug ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54747	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS

No Mike, the wheels have to be removed. Best to let a shop do it if you need several wheels done. A quartering tool is needed. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54748	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: how do I replace traction tires on 50's AF diesel?

Gilbert starting using rubber Pull Mor wheels on both steam & diesels in 1953.  From 1953 to 1957 all 3 digit diesels used XA12A249 Pull Mor Wheel assemblies.  This wheel had a low flange and the rubber was vulcanized to the face of the metal wheel.  I have a few of these in stock.  If you have a 5 digit diesel from 1958 to 1964, these used XA14A891 Wheel Assemblies. These wheels were two piece, with a PA14A890 Traction Tire which fit into a grove in the metal wheel.  Lionel later used these wheels in their American Flyer productions.  You could most likely use the later wheels for the early models if you match the wheel on the other side of the chassis.  The best way to get the old wheel off is using a wheel puller.  If you have to bang it out with a hammer use caution.  When you get the old wheel off, using a good vise, press the new wheel back on the chassis.  If you have a problem getting a replacement wheel, please let me know.                                                                  Tom Seccia            --- On Tue, 6/2/09, zdava <zdava@...> wrote: From: zdava <zdava@...> Subject: [S-Trains] how do I replace traction tires on 50's AF diesel? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:42 AM The rubber tires are disintegrating and I need to know where to buy new ones and also, how to replace them. Do I need to take the wheel off the axle to do this? Thank you, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54749	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Yup, I got the same e-mail. (I didn't bite). Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Keith -- I got this the other day, unsolicited: ====================================================== Hello, I'm contacting you because you have expressed an interest in my 12 hour American Flyer video. This video will be put onto 2 DVD'S, 6 hours each. I had originally purchased this video over 10 years ago for $250.00. If you are still interested in owning a copy of these DVD'S, please mail me a money order, for $150.00. This boils down to $25.00 per 2 hours, which is what you would normally pay for a 2 hour movie at the store. I will begin making your copy when I receive your payment. I prefer money order, but will also accept a cashier's check. If you are still interested in purchasing them, please send me your payment to --- Richard Falzini ==================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Keith O" <atrains@...> wrote: > > Hi Harwood, > Got it! I have 9 DVDs burned from Reggie's 5 master VHS tapes and the quality is very good! > I just need to figure out the easy part, how to copy a DVD. As soon as I do so I will burn you a copy > for the cost of the 9 DVDs. I don't think these tapes should be copied and sold for profit, Reggie wrote me that > he was charging $65.00 for them. Far more than they are worth, especially the 2 long-play (6 hour format) VHS > copies. I have the masters also to the long-play VHS's and they're not worth burning to DVD with > all the tripod clicking and other noises. This DVD copying might take me a while to figure out but I will burn > a bunch of copies and contact you and the group as soon as I get it done. > > Best regards, > > Keith O. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HOwingsiii@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > > > > > Hi Keith, > I feel the same about Reggie as you do. Many people po-poed the items in his collection as fake. I did not, after seeing many prototypes I think the items that Reggie had were mostly originals. > There is a process not to copy videos to DVDs, If you could do this for me it would be greatly appreciated please. Just pass the cost of this onto me. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith O <atrains@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:49 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > Hello, > Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. > Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious > comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, > his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there > wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much > destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift > stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), > not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. > > Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour > videos and all his audios.20This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by > copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue > their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled > the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie > speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio > tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' > "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and > James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. > As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? > I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. > > Hope to see you all in July. > Best Regards, > > Keith O. > Phoenix AZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Booker > To: S-Trains > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer > > Might want DVD. > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: rfalzini@... > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S ga > uge American Flyer > > Hello, > To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. > > I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. > > Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? > > 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. > > Rich > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54750	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: WHITE WALLS

Thank You Steve, If I decide to do it, I'll send it to you, Mike In a message dated 6/2/2009 4:13:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boss31@... writes: No Mike, the wheels have to be removed. Best to let a shop do it if you need several wheels done. A quartering tool is needed. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585042x1201462767/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54751	From: herbw202	Date: 6/2/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

I had the pleasure of spending a day and an overnight with Reggie on his beautiful property in Victor, NY over 20 years ago. He was gracious and friendly and couldn't have been nicer. I was also impressed with how devoted he was to his wife who had sufferred brain damage in an accident. The property included his home, made mainly of stone (A C Gilbert told him to use stone as it lasts almost forever), and a separate building housing his layout and his enourmous collection. A small brook ran between the house and the train building, requiring you to cross a small fotbridge for access. I remember seeing a least a dozen track gang sets, the never produced bang-bang torpedo, and the reverse painted yellow and red circus coaches and literally hundreds of engines and cars. The layout, as I remember needed work and was not running. He also related some conversations he had with A C Gilbert. Gilbert was disappointed with the relatively few new accessories the staff had to offer in the immediate post war period. He had also been critical of of dc relay operated whistle. He said they had run into problems when they used dc for reversing some of the high end trains. before WWII, and could not use the whistling express car with such trains. They would have the same problems again as they were offering dc powered trains.He also told Reggie to talk to the regular employees not the execs if he wanted to learn more. I won't comment about any "fakes" as I am not qualified, but there was a heck of a lot of great stuff there. This was one of my best model railroad related experiences. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Keith O" <atrains@...> wrote: > > Hello, > Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. > Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious > comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, > his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there > wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much > destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift > stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), > not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. > > Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour > videos and all his audios. This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by > copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue > their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled > the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie > speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio > tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' > "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and > James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. > As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? > I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. > > Hope to see you all in July. > Best Regards, > > Keith O. > Phoenix AZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Booker > To: S-Trains > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer > > > > > > > Might want DVD. > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: rfalzini@... > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer > > Hello, > To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. > > I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. > > Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? > > 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. > > Rich > > __________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® goes with you. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54752	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Large radius rubber roadbed

Rats, there goes our opportunity of a life time for the entire group to these company. No, I wish them the best and I am glad they are continuing it as it did not sound very good that they would find a buyer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Large radius rubber roadbed OK, just talked to the lady owner of the business. They have changed their mind and the business is not for sale. They will no longer be carrying O or O27 gauge, just Flyer. They will be placing an order with their supplier soon and will have plenty of Flyer stock roadbed, at least 6 weeks before Christmas. Also, they will no longer be selling small quantities, an order will have to be something like 20 - 25 pieces of any one type. It just isn't cost effective to sell one or two pieces, what with the cost of shipping and order processing. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54753	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: AF-343

I've lost track of whoever was looking for a 0-8-0 at a reasonable price. But, there is currently one listed on Ebay in C-4 condition. Maybe it will not be too highly priced. Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54754	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale

If it was a group - each of the members could do the train shows near the area where they live and avoid the massive time commitment and travel. The internet would be the best way of advertising and delivery on a day in / day out basis.   Bill Drake --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Johnson AF rubber roadbed - business for sale To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 8:35 AM on 6/1/09 7:46 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@msn. com wrote: > >> >I will chip in a few bucks if we can get a group of us to buy it. > > Mike Marmer< > > Interesting thought. It would take a bit of coordination, and a lot of trust. > Ten backers could put up 1K each, then hire a manager (working partner) and > pay him/her a percentage of the profits. > > Lots of other variations, but seems to me that someone would need considerable > space to keep the inventory, go to lots of train shows, preferably around the > country, and then of course handle the very important marketing. > > Dozens of other details to be worked out, and I am not nearly smart enough to > make something like this work. Maybe if there is a successful business person > in the group, we could get some ideas from him or her. > > Roy Inman > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54755	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Nor did I. It seemed too much like emails I've received from Nigeria. Somehow, this "gentleman" has joined the list at some point in time and has possibly been laying low, waiting to strike. I have a very skeptical nature and this raised the red flag for me as well. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: The Reardon's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Yup, I got the same e-mail. (I didn't bite). Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Keith -- I got this the other day, unsolicited: ====================================================== Hello, I'm contacting you because you have expressed an interest in my 12 hour American Flyer video. This video will be put onto 2 DVD'S, 6 hours each. I had originally purchased this video over 10 years ago for $250.00. If you are still interested in owning a copy of these DVD'S, please mail me a money order, for $150.00. This boils down to $25.00 per 2 hours, which is what you would normally pay for a 2 hour movie at the store. I will begin making your copy when I receive your payment. I prefer money order, but will also accept a cashier's check. If you are still interested in purchasing them, please send me your payment to --- Richard Falzini ==================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Keith O" <atrains@...> wrote: > > Hi Harwood, > Got it! I have 9 DVDs burned from Reggie's 5 master VHS tapes and the quality is very good! > I just need to figure out the easy part, how to copy a DVD. As soon as I do so I will burn you a copy > for the cost of the 9 DVDs. I don't think these tapes should be copied and sold for profit, Reggie wrote me that > he was charging $65.00 for them. Far more than they are worth, especially the 2 long-play (6 hour format) VHS > copies. I have the masters also to the long-play VHS's and they're not worth burning to DVD with > all the tripod clicking and other noises. This DVD copying might take me a while to figure out but I will burn > a bunch of copies and contact you and the group as soon as I get it done. > > Best regards, > > Keith O. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HOwingsiii@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > > > > > Hi Keith, > I feel the same about Reggie as you do. Many people po-poed the items in his collection as fake. I did not, after seeing many prototypes I think the items that Reggie had were mostly originals. > There is a process not to copy videos to DVDs, If you could do this for me it would be greatly appreciated please. Just pass the cost of this onto me. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith O <atrains@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:49 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > Hello, > Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. > Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious > comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, > his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there > wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much > destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/thrift > stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), > not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. > > Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour > videos and all his audios.20This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by > copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue > their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled > the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie > speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio > tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' > "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and > James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. > As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? > I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. > > Hope to see you all in July. > Best Regards, > > Keith O. > Phoenix AZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Booker > To: S-Trains > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer > > Might want DVD. > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: rfalzini@... > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S ga > uge American Flyer > > Hello, > To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. > > I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. > > Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? > > 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. > > Rich > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54756	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: SHS "This week in 'S'...

This week at SHS….. Last week we received our largest shipment in two years. This shipment includes the next run of reefers, rebuilt boxcars and the remaining roadnames of steam era square hatched covered hoppers (LV, GTW, CASO, NYC#2 and MEC#1). Also on the shipment will be our #00259 20” radius curved track. Strong starter train set sales this fall depleted our stock. http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Top 5 sellers – As I closed the month of May in on our computers, I ran the top 5 sellers for the month. We have had several dealers as well as customers ask us what are our current best sellers. For May they are the following: #1 PFE 40’ wooden reefer, the oval scheme #2 Marhoefer Packing Co. 40’ wooden reefer #3 C&O 40’ rebuilt boxcars (#3 & #4, these are almost sold out) #4 SFRD (Santa Fe) 40’ wooden reefer (no slogan, but all were painted this color before 1940 and we only have a few left) #5 Lehigh Valley rebuilt covered hoppers Number 6 was the tarp covered steel coil loads that were made for us by Mark’s Toy Box, a company the specializes in 1/64” vehicles. Although marked as sold out, this will change shortly as another batch of coils are due next week. This load is running us out of flatcars. http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html Reservations for out 2009 Great Northern boxcar with twinkling Christmas tree inside are another hot item. This is a USRA double sheathed boxcar in Great Northern livery. It features Rocky the Mountain Goat with the facing forward logo. The green Christmas tree will be peeking out from the interior is handpainted urethane with snow covered boughs and a twinkling star on top. The price is $62.95. You can order now with a $20.00 deposit at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html These are expected in September with the 3M dbl sheathed boxcar. A few new reefers that are not on our website yet, but will be posted in the next few weeks are expected in Augst with the NASG convention cars. The new roadnames include: DL&W, as delivered white scheme. Prima Brewery, reefer yellow with two tone blue logo and NWX Eatmor Cranberries, gray car with large red, white and blue rectangular logo. Robin sent out the SHS Updates and the Hobby Shop News a few weeks ago. Bill posted the We would like to invite all our friends and customers to our SHS 20th Anniversary Open House to be held June 19th and 20th at our warehouse in Cliffwood, NJ. Join us for fun, food, friendship, specials and the famous Scratch & dent sale. To get here, take the Garden State Parkway to exit 120. Turn right off the exit on to Matwan Rd. At the first light turn left (Quik Chek on corner) on to Cliffwood Ave. Drive about 3/4 mile and look for a small white church on the right. Aberdeen Business Park is next to it on the right. On Friday, please park in the church lot. On Saturday you can park in any open parking space or in the church lot. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54757	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video

Hello, I just noticed this posting in our group which I high lighted in blue, and NO I DO NOT LIVE IN NIGERIA. I take offended that you say I have been laying low waiting to strike. I'm a very respected collector of S gauge in the North East Ohio area. Sorry to have caused such negative feed back here, and I look forward to corresponding with my fellow S gaugers in the near future! Kindest regards, Rich "Nor did I. It seemed too much like emails I've received from Nigeria. Somehow, this "gentleman" has joined the list at some point in time and has possibly been laying low, waiting to strike. I have a very skeptical nature and this raised the red flag for me as well." ________________________________ From: "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:27:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Nor did I. It seemed too much like emails I've received from Nigeria. Somehow, this "gentleman" has joined the list at some point in time and has possibly been laying low, waiting to strike. I have a very skeptical nature and this raised the red flag for me as well. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: The Reardon's To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Yup, I got the same e-mail. (I didn't bite). Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video Keith -- I got this the other day, unsolicited: ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====== Hello, I'm contacting you because you have expressed an interest in my 12 hour American Flyer video. This video will be put onto 2 DVD'S, 6 hours each. I had originally purchased this video over 10 years ago for $250.00. If you are still interested in owning a copy of these DVD'S, please mail me a money order, for $150.00. This boils down to $25.00 per 2 hours, which is what you would normally pay for a 2 hour movie at the store. I will begin making your copy when I receive your payment. I prefer money order, but will also accept a cashier's check. If you are still interested in purchasing them, please send me your payment to --- Richard Falzini ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ==== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Keith O" <atrains@... > wrote: > > Hi Harwood, > Got it! I have 9 DVDs burned from Reggie's 5 master VHS tapes and the quality is very good! > I just need to figure out the easy part, how to copy a DVD. As soon as I do so I will burn you a copy > for the cost of the 9 DVDs. I don't think these tapes should be copied and sold for profit, Reggie wrote me that > he was charging $65.00 for them. Far more than they are worth, especially the 2 long-play (6 hour format) VHS > copies. I have the masters also to the long-play VHS's and they're not worth burning to DVD with > all the tripod clicking and other noises. This DVD copying might take me a while to figure out but I will burn > a bunch of copies and contact you and the group as soon as I get it done. > > Best regards, > > Keith O. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HOwingsiii@. .. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > > > > > Hi Keith, > I feel the same about Reggie as you do. Many people po-poed the items in his collection as fake. I did not, after seeing many prototypes I think the items that Reggie had were mostly originals. > There is a process not to copy videos to DVDs, If you could do this for me it would be greatly appreciated please. Just pass the cost of this onto me. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith O <atrains@... > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:49 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video > > Hello, > Regarding Reggie Carnes and his 11 hour plus video of his collection and his audio tapes. > Over the past 15 years, I've heard a ton of negative, terribly rude, selfish and outright malicious > comments about Reggie. My contact with Reggie was by phone and then in his last year through Rhonda, > his extremely good-hearted neighbor & caretaker. It was a pleasure speaking with him although there > wasn't much talk about trains, just about life in general. He was living on S.S. and pretty much > destitute and abandoned. Over three or so years, my better half would visit second-hand/ thrift > stores, buying and mailing him needed clothing (he would go through sweat suits like there was no tomorrow), > not to mention cashews, which I would drool over. > > Anyway, he mailed me his personal photo albums and sold me (for a small amount) his masters of the 11 hour > videos and all his audios.20This included all rights to do with them whatever I wish. I always felt that by > copying them for re-sale, the 11, one-hour DVD's that I made, would be ridiculed and many collectors would continue > their Reggie-bashing. I remember when a G FOX & CO car was listed on eBay years ago. The seller cancelled > the auction after receiving negative emails from collectors because it came out of Reggie's collection. In his audio tapes, Reggie > speaks of where he found this G FOX & CO car. I own "Wally the Waterman" and Reggie also speaks of this in his audio > tapes, along with many other odd numbers and items. It's interesting that Wally the Waterman is mentioned in Greenbergs' > "American Flyer S Gauge Volume 2", copywrited 1991, edited by Joe Deger with the assistance of Marcy Damon and > James Walsh. I'll bring Wally to the TCA Convention in Phoenix this July for any of you who are interested to see. > As for Reggie's 11 hours of video ("12 Hour video of American Flyer"), are these going to be sold for profit?? > I would appreciate anyone intending to sell these for profit to please contact me prior to do so. > > Hope to see you all in July. > Best Regards, > > Keith O. > Phoenix AZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Booker > To: S-Trains > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:27 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S gauge American Flyer > > Might want DVD. > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > From: rfalzini@... > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:20 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] 12 Hour video of S ga > uge American Flyer > > Hello, > To all of those who still have an interest in purchasing a copy of this DVD, please contact me at my e mail address. > > I will begin the copying of the DVD'S shortly. > > Also, in regards to buying a 0 - 8 - 0 for $199.00 Where can I buy mine? > > 15 years ago my near mint 342 ( 1952 version ) cost me $250.00. > > Rich > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54758	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Mini-craft Buildings

Were there ever repos made of the Mini-craft buildings such as the AF #162 Factory and #165 Grain Elevator?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54759	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/3/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings

Many of the Flyerville buildings have been repro'd, including both of those. oug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > Were there ever repos made of the Mini-craft buildings such as the AF #162 Factory and #165 Grain Elevator? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54760	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: RUNNING DC

I think I found an easy fix for indicating the polarity of a "Block" when using DC. Try using a BI-Color LED...It will show red or green depending on which lead has been powered, I'll include a link for LEDs _Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs)_ (http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm) Mike S **************Limited Time Offers: Save big on popular laptops at Dell (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221354145x1201369495/aol?redir=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215221161%3B37268813%3By) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54761	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings

Bill Parr, 205 Golf Club Drive, Langhorne, PA 19047 had the #162 Factory & the #165 Grain Elevator made some years ago.  The last ad I seen of his in November/December 2007 "S" Gaugian did not list those. He had the #164 Barn, #166 Church and some station platforms listed. You may want to contact him and see if he has made another run of these. All his buildings are top quality reproductions. His phone number is 1-215-757-1034.                                                          Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/3/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Mini-craft Buildings To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:27 PM Were there ever repos made of the Mini-craft buildings such as the AF #162 Factory and #165 Grain Elevator? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54762	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings

Tom, Glad to see you finally joined the list, you will have fun here. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mini-craft Buildings Bill Parr, 205 Golf Club Drive, Langhorne, PA 19047 had the #162 Factory & the #165 Grain Elevator made some years ago. The last ad I seen of his in November/December 2007 "S" Gaugian did not list those. He had the #164 Barn, #166 Church and some station platforms listed. You may want to contact him and see if he has made another run of these. All his buildings are top quality reproductions. His phone number is 1-215-757-1034. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/3/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Mini-craft Buildings To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:27 PM Were there ever repos made of the Mini-craft buildings such as the AF #162 Factory and #165 Grain Elevator? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54763	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Running DC

Say, I think this would be a good excuse to build your own signals at trackside with these LEDs, showing block occupancy! Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54764	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mini-craft Buildings

Hi Jim,                    Just got my Parts & Service book finished.   This will get the parts business going again.  I should have some announcements coming by September for "S" Gauge trains and accessories.  I have a book on ebay. Take a look if you get a chance.                                                 Thank You,                                                         Tom --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mini-craft Buildings To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 5:28 PM Tom, Glad to see you finally joined the list, you will have fun here. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mini-craft Buildings Bill Parr, 205 Golf Club Drive, Langhorne, PA 19047 had the #162 Factory & the #165 Grain Elevator made some years ago. The last ad I seen of his in November/December 2007 "S" Gaugian did not list those. He had the #164 Barn, #166 Church and some station platforms listed. You may want to contact him and see if he has made another run of these. All his buildings are top quality reproductions. His phone number is 1-215-757-1034. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/3/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Mini-craft Buildings To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:27 PM Were there ever repos made of the Mini-craft buildings such as the AF #162 Factory and #165 Grain Elevator? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54765	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Running DC

We have some green/red LED signals that we manufacture. Inexpensive and very good looking. Work great for this application. Can send photos to anyone interested. Steve SnA Trains In a message dated 06/04/2009 5:33:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Say, I think this would be a good excuse to build your own signals at trackside with these LEDs, showing block occupancy! Stumpy **************Limited Time Offers: Save big on popular laptops at Dell (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221354145x1201369495/aol?redir=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215221161%3B37268813%3By) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54766	From: Jim King	Date: 6/5/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonner - LAST CALL

89 of the 100-kit run of GE 70-tonner diesels have been sold as of today. Thanks to all who "stepped up to the plate" to make my first diesel project a success. More are planned but too early to discuss which one will be next. 70-tonner shipments to dealers are complete; mail order shipments will start Monday, so be watching USPS Priority Mail box within the next 2 weeks. For those of you "on the fence" about buying this engine, you have only 11 kits left to make a decision. Once I reach the 100 mark, all production will stop, molds will be mothballed and I'll focus on the next project. Don't delay .. get your order to me or to your dealer ASAP. There is NO guarantee this engine will be offered again, so get your order "in" promptly. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54767	From: ehsauers1	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Possible FM H10-44 Diesel Switcher Kit to be available in Hi-RAIL ve

Group, Below is my original post on the FM H10-44 switcher, at the time of this posting Jim was only going to produce this kit in a scale version, however, he has now decided to make this kit available to the HI-RAIL community also. Please read the below and contact me at edsauers@... if you are interested in one of these high quality kits in the HI-RAIL format. If you're a B&O modeler, I have decals available to letter this engine in the pre 1957 paint scheme. ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS: I have contacted Jim King with the hopes of persuading him to produce a Fairbanks-Morse H10-44 Switcher and Jim has responded by asking me to collect information on the desires for this model by the members of this group and any other s-scale list. This has been a very popular model in other scales with all major railroads owning at least a few (of course the PRR had the most at 55 units). These kits will be SCALE ONLY and the cost is estimated to be around the same as the 70 ton which is $325, Jim needs about 80 units total but is asking for 45-50 orders from individuals. Since Jim is very busy with current projects he has asked me to collect the information on who is interested in this project. Please email me at edsauers@... if you would be interested in one of these high quality kits, Thanks Ed Sauers Correction to the above, we need 44-49 units since I am already on the list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54768	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: SMMW Models For Sale - S SCALE

I have the following Smoky Mountain Model Works S SCALE models for sale : NONE of these kits are completely assembled, NONE of these kits have been painted. "Partially prepared" = parts deflashed, a few parts TEST-fitted, 'kingpin' added for easier truck installation, etc, etc... nothing major. 1. Central of Georgia 41' Ventilated Boxcar w/SHS trucks - Partially prepared for assembly - asking $50 2. Southern Pulpwood Rack w/SHS trucks - New - $45 3. Southern 50' Waffle Boxcar w/trucks w/SMMW trucks - New - $55 4. Southern Railway 41' 6", 50-ton Flat Car w/SHS trucks - Partially prepared for assembly - $45 5. Southern Railway Lowside Gondola w/SHS trucks - Partially prepared for assembly - $45 6. Southern Railway 41' 6" 50-ton Composite Gondola w/SHS trucks - New - $55 Total RETAIL value of ALL kits - $295 Shipping per model : $8 Buy it all for $280 + $18 for shipping Contact me as one of the following e-mail addresses if interested : John K. Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... Scaler148@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54769	From: downtowndeco	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Potential new Downtown Deco S Scale kit put on hold.

I'm sorry to say I have just not recieved enough interest from the S Scale modelers to proceed with an S Scale version of the Gugisberg & Sons Machine Shop. I ran ads in S Gaugian & Sn3 Modeler, did some posting on the S Scale forums and all I could come up with was a couple dozen or so people who said they'd be interested if I did the kit in S. I may look at doing something in S again if I could find something I could sell at least 100 of. The hard part for me is because all of the patterns are hand carved (not laser cut), it is just as labor intensive for me to do the patterns for a kit that I can sell 20 of as it is for one that I sell 1000 of. As always, I appreciate your comments and feedback. Cheers! Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54770	From: Jim King	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: 70-ton GE sold out

Ron Sebastian at Des Plaines Hobbies has bought the remaining GE 70-tonner kits. I am officially "sold out" and will be mothballing the patterns and molds for a while. Please visit my web site "dealer page" to review shops that stock this kit if you missed out on this run. Next diesel project: 44-tonner, phases I and IV. Next freight car project: B&O M53 wagontop box (in the design stage now). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54771	From: jameswomble11	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: New EP=5

Just received the new AF 6-48075 NE EP-5. Has a bell as well as a horn, glazed windows, 6 wheel trucks although the middle pair have blind flanges, and 12 wheel drive apparently since both trucks have geared axles. All in all a better model than I was expecting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54772	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/7/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54773	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Ebay 332

Can anyone in the group tell me why this unit sold for this kind of money? Ebay; Item number: 150349241866 Thanks, Larry Moore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54774	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: MOW crew at work!

My AF Northern stalled last evening on a back curve. Oh well...it is old. But strange as I have the e-unit locked in forward. It should keep going. Tonight running my AM GG1, another stall. The GG1 does not stall. So...I left the power on and took a screw driver back to said curve. This is not the most easy to reach, mind you, but do-able. I touched the screwdriver to the closest track joint, and a jolt of electricity sent the GG1 on its way and all of the passengers to the floor! This joint was a soldered-only joint on Tru-Scale track...fifty years old itself. I heated up the soldering iron, then heated the solder and melted a piece of small wire into it to bridge the gap. A few new solder connections further back on each end of the longer piece of wire, and a test run. All is well...this is why our layouts are never done...never boring...and always entertaining. They challenge the mind as well as the senses. What did you do on your layout today?? Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54775	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Because it's the rare as hen's teeth 1946 SIT unit.....Only seen one other in my life... Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 06/06/2009 8:19:15 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mo2337@... writes: 150349241866 **************Stay connected and tighten your budget with a great mobile device for under $50. Take a Peek! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1221845911x1201401556/aol?redir=http://www.getpeek.com/aol) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54776	From: Mark Hoffman	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Hi Larry, I cannot tell you why it sold for the amount it did. Mass hysteria over the mistaken belief that this could possibly be the last available locomotive ever and no matter if it does not run, has rust and appears well used? Best, Mark A. Hoffman On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Larry Moore wrote: > > > Can anyone in the group tell me why this unit sold for this kind of > money? > Ebay; Item number: 150349241866 > > Thanks, Larry Moore > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54777	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

It's called rarity. No matter how much those newcomers in the hobby try to discount the fact that not many exist, and as much as they'd like to purchase something for nothing, the 332 w/smoke in tender has been known as a rare engine for decades. PERIOD. I've been collecting S gauge since the early 70's. It was rare back then and it is rare now. I am really tired of those people that think they are entitled to purchase something rare for what little dollars they are willing to spend. Believe me, those same individuals would try to "turn a buck" if they could. Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hoffman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay 332 Hi Larry, I cannot tell you why it sold for the amount it did. Mass hysteria over the mistaken belief that this could possibly be the last available locomotive ever and no matter if it does not run, has rust and appears well used? Best, Mark A. Hoffman On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Larry Moore wrote: > > > Can anyone in the group tell me why this unit sold for this kind of > money? > Ebay; Item number: 150349241866 > > Thanks, Larry Moore > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54778	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Hi Larry,                       I took a look at the 332 that sold on ebay for $1,352.76.  Some other S members replied that this is a 1946 SIT 332 Northern.  I can tell you that this is not a 1946. A 1946 332 would have round head rivets on the linkage.  This 332 is a 1947 with hex head rivets PA10445 and it has a 1947 plastic link coupler. A 1946 link coupler would have a thin shank and a black link coupler pin.  A 1947 is still very rare and I believe whoever won the bid got a steal.  In all the years I've been collecting, I've never seen a 1946 SIT Northern or a 1946 SIT 342 Switcher.  The 1947 342 & 332 SIT are DC. A 1946 would be AC and the reverse unit would be in the boiler.  Both a 332 SIT & 342 SIT DC powered came in the complete Railroad System Set #4622, which is very rare to find.  In a Greenberg book in 1992, the 1947 332 listed for $1,000 in VG condition and $1,900 in Excellent Condition.  That was 17 years ago, so the rarity increases.  It doesn't appear looking at the ebay listing that the seller made any claims as to the locomotive being a 1946 Northern.                                                       Tom Seccia                                          --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay 332 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: mcclureterry@... Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 9:43 PM Can anyone in the group tell me why this unit sold for this kind of money? Ebay; Item number: 150349241866 Thanks, Larry Moore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54779	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Mark Hoffman wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > I cannot tell you why it sold for the amount it did. > > Mass hysteria over the mistaken belief that this could possibly be > the last available locomotive ever and no matter if it does not run, > has rust and appears well used? My Dad had one of these 8 drive wheel engines, I guess it was a 4 8 4. We called it Big Hippo, and I would not a bit owning one. I see one on Ebay at under $500, so it seems there is more than one type, some rarer than others I assume.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54780	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

When I got into "collecting," I pretty much resigned myself to collecting AF common cars. There's a nitch that won't break the bank. All of my stuff RUNS regularly on my layout. Rarest piece: A cream colored 639 reefer. It was free to me. I quickly got tired of watching at auctions or train shows people with very deep pockets buying even semi-rare equipment for prices I would never dream of. Gotta pay the mortgage and bills. I have other hobbies. So I choose not to go after the rare stuff. I do watch the rare early circus wagons. These show up on eBay every once in a while...but FUNNY, all of these auctions seem to be ended early by the seller. My strong guess is that some deep-pockets collector contacts the seller off list and offers a ridiculous amount of money for a small plastic toy that was meant for cake decoration fifty or sixty years ago. It is not fair to those of us just trying to have fun with our hobby that a seller would bow down to a big dollar collector just so he can have another piece to set on his shelf...and forget about. But...this is America: Money Talks. No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > It's called rarity. No matter how much those newcomers in the hobby try to discount the fact that not many exist, and as much as they'd like to purchase something for nothing, the 332 w/smoke in tender has been known as a rare engine for decades. PERIOD. I've been collecting S gauge since the early 70's. It was rare back then and it is rare now. I am really tired of those people that think they are entitled to purchase something rare for what little dollars they are willing to spend. Believe me, those same individuals would try to "turn a buck" if they could. > > Bruce > (TCA 81-16572) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Hoffman > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay 332 > > > > > > Hi Larry, > > I cannot tell you why it sold for the amount it did. > > Mass hysteria over the mistaken belief that this could possibly be > the last available locomotive ever and no matter if it does not run, > has rust and appears well used? > > Best, Mark A. Hoffman > > On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Larry Moore wrote: > > > > > > > Can anyone in the group tell me why this unit sold for this kind of > > money? > > Ebay; Item number: 150349241866 > > > > Thanks, Larry Moore > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54781	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: 332 Northern

Thanks to all that responded to my question. I did not look at all the pictures and missed that it was an SIT. As usual I can depend on this group to further my ACG education. Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54782	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

I agree with Tom, it looks like a 1947 332. Still an uncommon engine to find and commands a high price. Harwood **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377042x1201454362/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54783	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Collectibility and value (was: Ebay 332)

Hi Ben, You made some interesting points. I like American Flyer and S guage but I am an HO Scale operator. I have a nice collection of Flyer from when I was a kid in the 1950's and I am currently building a layout to run them on. The trains I have are "rare" and "priceless" to me because they bring back memories of Christmases with my Father and I building the "platform" as he called it. They are "rare" and "priceless" only because they cannot be replaced, even by the exact locomotive because they contain those memories. > I quickly got tired of watching at auctions or train shows people with very deep pockets buying even semi-rare equipment for prices I would never dream of. Gotta pay the mortgage and bills. I have other hobbies. So I choose not to go after the rare stuff. > I also have some vintage HO scale brass. One loco is a Tenshodo NYC Hudson in a wooden box. That particular loco is worth more than any Flyer loco made, regardless of how rare they might be. But, on this list, the loco is not worth diddly. Why, you might ask. The answer is simple. Even the most rabid Flyer fanatic would look at it as a pretty model, not a rare collectible because their only interest is in Flyer. That same person would think that I am crazy for pricing it at such a ridiculous level and if they wanted it, they would probably say that I am just looking for a big payday. I have said it before in a previous thread. A toy train is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. > > My strong guess is that some deep-pockets collector contacts the seller off list and offers a ridiculous amount of money for a small plastic toy that was meant for cake decoration fifty or sixty years ago. It is not fair to those of us just trying to have fun with our hobby that a seller would bow down to a big dollar collector just so he can have another piece to set on his shelf...and forget about. But...this is America: Money Talks. > In this, and other hobbies, where memories and nostalgia create "emotional" pricing, there will always be soemone with more money and better opportunities. They will create the price ranges based on what they perceive, not actual value. There will also be someone that wants their piece so badly, they are willing to pay an unreasonable price to acquire it, because they can. Folks like you and me will be satisfied with what we can afford and be ecstatic when we fall into the rare piece in someone's trash or at a flea market. It has happened to me a couple of times so keep your eyes open. Don't forget to look UNDER the tables at the shows. HO dealer are like Lionel dealers. They will pay a high price for a collection with one rare piece and then they will dump the "excess" at shows so they do not have to carry it to shows for 20 years. > No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. > > Ben I wish you luck. BTW, if you see a reasonably priced 0-8-0 somewhere, let me know. I'll watchI know they are out there as well.<grin> Regards, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54784	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Ben, While it is true that we will probably die off quicker than you will (of course, there are no guarantees) you must know that we old-timers are not just going to leave the stuff behind without making sure our beneficiaries are completely aware of what we have, do you? I (and I am sure others) have educated my beneficiary as to condition, value, what they can expect to garner at either private sale or auction, a complete description of each item, and the books and reference manuals, so that they are not "taken" by unscrupulous potential buyers. They'll be at your disposal, possibly, but I wouldn't expect to get them for next to nothing. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. Ben . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54785	From: Grant	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Ronald Reagan

From an article today in the San Francisco Chronicle by retired major Willie Brown. People remember Reagan for a lot of things. I'll always remember him for his toy trains. When he was governor, he used to have us state lawmakers over for dinner. After everyone else went home and Nancy retired for the night, he and I would go downstairs where he had an elaborate toy-train setup. I headed the Assembly Ways and Means Committee back then, and the governor's budget had to go through us. So we'd talk money and play with the trains. That's how we became friends.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54786	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/7/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54787	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan

Wonder what scale the trains were...? Roy Inman on 6/7/09 2:42 PM, Grant at gwbishop@... wrote: > > > > > > From an article today in the San Francisco Chronicle by retired major Willie > Brown. > > People remember Reagan for a lot of things. I'll always remember him for his > toy trains. > > When he was governor, he used to have us state lawmakers over for dinner. > After everyone else went home and Nancy retired for the night, he and I would > go downstairs where he had an elaborate toy-train setup. > > I headed the Assembly Ways and Means Committee back then, and the governor's > budget had to go through us. So we'd talk money and play with the trains. > > That's how we became friends. > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54788	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan

> > ((((((People remember Reagan for a lot of things. I'll always remember him for his toy trains. When he was governor, he used to have us state lawmakers over for dinner. After everyone else went home and Nancy retired for the night, he and I would go downstairs where he had an elaborate toy-train setup.))))) I never knew that about Ronald Reagan. Interesting story. Did he ever have trains at his ranch here in Calif? Any photos of his trains? -Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54789	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54790	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Bruce- You are absolutely right...no one knows when their time will come. And I am glad your beneficiaries know exactly what your stuff is worth. My wife knows very well what mine is worth, too. She would never be taken by offers made too low. However...the collection is also not my retirement account. I am enjoying it now. I could easily fill a 500 lot auction with my collection of Z, N, HO, O, G, Standard gauge, and Doepke trains, not to mention books, magazines, and an almost-complete Hallmark train ornament collection. That is not my purpose in this, though. While my stuff is not all that rare, all of it is super nice...and it all works. I do expect the laws of supply and demand to hit the toy train marque at some point. While all of the really, really rare stuff will not necessarily lose value, I know the number of collectors will diminish. My age bracket makes up maybe 10% of attendance at York, Greenberg Shows, etc. The demand will decrease and the supply will increase in years to come. Don't worry...I am not waiting anyone out. This is a hobby. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Ben, > > While it is true that we will probably die off quicker than you will (of course, there are no guarantees) you must know that we old-timers are not just going to leave the stuff behind without making sure our beneficiaries are completely aware of what we have, do you? I (and I am sure others) have educated my beneficiary as to condition, value, what they can expect to garner at either private sale or auction, a complete description of each item, and the books and reference manuals, so that they are not "taken" by unscrupulous potential buyers. > > They'll be at your disposal, possibly, but I wouldn't expect to get them for next to nothing. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bstilesaf > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:24 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 > > > > > > > > No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. > > Ben > > > > . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54791	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/7/2009
Subject: Re: Collectibility and value (was: Ebay 332)

Nick- We had a "platform" too! None of my other trains will ever be worth as much as my late mother's Marx set. All of the rest of them can go anytime...Mom's stays! It is on a prominent shelf in the train room. Add to the Marx Dad's LGB set and extra cars, and my brother and sister can fight over the entire rest of the inheritance...the trains are the thing for me! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > You made some interesting points. I like American Flyer and S guage but I am an HO Scale operator. I have a nice collection of Flyer from when I was a kid in the 1950's and I am currently building a layout to run them on. The trains I have are "rare" and "priceless" to me because they bring back memories of Christmases with my Father and I building the "platform" as he called it. They are "rare" and "priceless" only because they cannot be replaced, even by the exact locomotive because they contain those memories. > > > I quickly got tired of watching at auctions or train shows people with very deep pockets buying even semi-rare equipment for prices I would never dream of. Gotta pay the mortgage and bills. I have other hobbies. So I choose not to go after the rare stuff. > > > > I also have some vintage HO scale brass. One loco is a Tenshodo NYC Hudson in a wooden box. That particular loco is worth more than any Flyer loco made, regardless of how rare they might be. But, on this list, the loco is not worth diddly. Why, you might ask. The answer is simple. Even the most rabid Flyer fanatic would look at it as a pretty model, not a rare collectible because their only interest is in Flyer. That same person would think that I am crazy for pricing it at such a ridiculous level and if they wanted it, they would probably say that I am just looking for a big payday. I have said it before in a previous thread. A toy train is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. > > > > > My strong guess is that some deep-pockets collector contacts the seller off list and offers a ridiculous amount of money for a small plastic toy that was meant for cake decoration fifty or sixty years ago. It is not fair to those of us just trying to have fun with our hobby that a seller would bow down to a big dollar collector just so he can have another piece to set on his shelf...and forget about. But...this is America: Money Talks. > > > > In this, and other hobbies, where memories and nostalgia create "emotional" pricing, there will always be soemone with more money and better opportunities. They will create the price ranges based on what they perceive, not actual value. There will also be someone that wants their piece so badly, they are willing to pay an unreasonable price to acquire it, because they can. Folks like you and me will be satisfied with what we can afford and be ecstatic when we fall into the rare piece in someone's trash or at a flea market. It has happened to me a couple of times so keep your eyes open. Don't forget to look UNDER the tables at the shows. HO dealer are like Lionel dealers. They will pay a high price for a collection with one rare piece and then they will dump the "excess" at shows so they do not have to carry it to shows for 20 years. > > > No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. > > > > Ben > > I wish you luck. BTW, if you see a reasonably priced 0-8-0 somewhere, let me know. I'll watchI know they are out there as well.<grin> > > Regards, > Nick Kulp >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54792	From: albaker33@comcast.net	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Bruce, I commend you for doing the right things to help those deal best with you collection after you are gone.  We should all do the same.  I have, but maybe not quite to the degree that you have. However, in reading your message below, I see nothing that seems to acknowledge the inevitable that the prices that our valued collections are going to very soon, if not al ready, start going down, down, down.   The reality is that there are a lot of very large collections out there, mostly owned by people like myself, over sixty years old.   And over the next 10 or 20 years, as we die off, our collections will be put on the market at an increasing rate.   And since there are going to be fewer people out there buying them (we all know there are not very many younger people getting involved), the prices are going to go way down since the market will be flooded.  I have made this reality very clear to my wife and kids, so that they understand it is highly unlikely that they will get prices that I paid. That's just the way it is. By watching prices on eBay closely now for about 5 years, I think we have already seen the decline in prices start about 1-2 years ago.    (Whether or not you like eBay doesn't matter - it nevertheless is a good indicator of the market trends.) Just my two cents worth... Al Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2009 12:13:12 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Ben, While it is true that we will probably die off quicker than you will (of course, there are no guarantees) you must know that we old-timers are not just going to leave the stuff behind without making sure our beneficiaries are completely aware of what we have, do you? I (and I am sure others) have educated my beneficiary as to condition, value, what they can expect to garner at either private sale or auction, a complete description of each item, and the books and reference manuals, so that they are not "taken" by unscrupulous potential buyers. They'll be at your disposal, possibly, but I wouldn't expect to get them for next to nothing. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. Ben . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54793	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: What Downtown Deco S Scale Kit Might Sell

Hello Downtown Deco, I'm sorry there was insufficient interest in the Machine Shop. I've always been a big fan of your products and bought several myself when you were producing in S scale regularly several years ago. I'd defer to you and others as to the reasons for the lack of interest in the Machine Shop. As I recall, when the initial announcement was initially, several folks indicated that perhaps it was a bit too "whimsical" for a broad market. I noticed in the June 2009 issue of "Model Railroad News" (p. 43) that you are separately offering a warehouse in N scale. The ad states: "This massive shipping warehouse flat features beautifully detailed hydrocal castings, laser cut wood doors, printed windows, full color signs and complete, easy to understand painting and aging instructions. 29" long x 4" deep."). There continues to be a shortage of steam-to-diesel era (and beyond) warehouse structures and of brick structures generally. This kit in S could help fill it, especially if - as it appears - it is "kit-bashable". Again I'd defer to you and to the S scale community generally but it may be that an S scale version of the Warehouse - perhaps downsized as necessary - would do well, perhaps better than the Machine Shop. Regards. Paul Schilling In a message dated 6/6/2009 12:57:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, downtowndeco@... writes: I'm sorry to say I have just not received enough interest from the S Scale modelers to proceed with an S Scale version of the Gugisberg & Sons Machine Shop. I ran ads in S Gaugian & Sn3 Modeler, did some posting on the S Scale forums and all I could come up with was a couple dozen or so people who said they'd be interested if I did the kit in S. I may look at doing something in S again if I could find something I could sell at least 100 of. The hard part for me is because all of the patterns are hand carved (not laser cut), it is just as labor intensive for me to do the patterns for a kit that I can sell 20 of as it is for one that I sell 1000 of. As always, I appreciate your comments and feedback. Cheers! Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco _downtowndeco@downtowndec_ (mailto:downtowndeco@...) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54794	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Bruce, et al., I tend to agree with you. That's why I'm enjoying the trains I have now. Very little is still in the box and I like to run the things I have. It's cheap (in the long run) therapy! Jerry "If It Isn't Fun, I'm Out Of Here" Poniatowski Registrar 2010 Spree - see next post --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, albaker33@... wrote: > > > > Bruce, > > I commend you for doing the right things to help those deal best with you collection after you are gone.  We should all do the same.  I have, but maybe not quite to the degree that you have. > > > > However, in reading your message below, I see nothing that seems to acknowledge the inevitable that the prices that our valued collections are going to very soon, if not al ready, start going down, down, down.   The reality is that there are a lot of very large collections out there, mostly owned by people like myself, over sixty years old.   And over the next 10 or 20 years, as we die off, our collections will be put on the market at an increasing rate.   And since there are going to be fewer people out there buying them (we all know there are not very many younger people getting involved), the prices are going to go way down since the market will be flooded.  > > > > I have made this reality very clear to my wife and kids, so that they understand it is highly unlikely that they will get prices that I paid. That's just the way it is. > > > > By watching prices on eBay closely now for about 5 years, I think we have already seen the decline in prices start about 1-2 years ago.    (Whether or not you like eBay doesn't matter - it nevertheless is a good indicator of the market trends.) > > > > Just my two cents worth... > > Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54795	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: 2010 Spring Spree

Fellow S Gaugers, I just received a message from our club webmaster, and after a couple of Sundays work, the SMSG website has been updated. The updating was to give the general S community access to the latest info on the 2010 Spring S Spree being sponsored and hosted jointly by the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers and the Central Ohio S Gaugers. Here's the link, although you might have to enter it by hand: www.smsgtrains.org. On the home page, scroll down to "2010 'S' Spree INFO". Click on it for access to registration forms, schedules and a list of hotels. I you need and other info, I'd prefer if you contact me via email, as my poor wife doesn't wish to act as my secretary! In few weeks, we'll also have more photos posted on the S-Mod and Display Layouts. Keep coming back! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54796	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan

I recall a newspaper photo of the Lionel O gauge layout. Bob George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54797	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Some Flyer stuff for sale

For sale- 5001T Farm Set- original box with multiple tears, reproduction insert NIB, 300AC loco, VG+ condition missing coupler with slight bend in tender shell, original wrap; 638 and 639 in Ex cond, 640 in VG+ condition- some lettering wear; includes original track and transformer in OB- $250 20550 Frontiersman set- 88 loco in EX cond, 20 coach in Ex cond, 30 baggage in Ex cond, 40 combine in EX- condition, original set box in good- condition, no insert; no track or transformer- $200 20655 Frontiersman freight set original box only in poor condition- no insert- $30 20515 Reliable set- 21085 steam loco EX, except wire at plug is taped, 24566 whel flat car- EX- with chip at brakewheel end, a bit of rust on whell holder and no wheel load; 24113 gondola- VG cond- one small scratch; 24561 crane- EX- cond; 24546 boom car- VG cond, but missing one step and fences; includes good OB with insert, track and transformer Package of grey/green clean original roadbed with very clean track- 18 straights plus 10 curves- $80 728 rerailers in VG condition- 2 available- $18 each LTI 6-48013 Conrail GP-7 NIB- $169 American Models NH #550 RS-3 DC hirail- NIB- $129 American Models S-1201 NH Baldwin switcher AC hirail NIB- $129 SHS 1062 NYC 2-8-0 Af compatible sound NIB- $499 SHS 1060 MEC 2-8-0 AF compatible sound NIB- $499 New old stock Gilbert/Eire figures- they are NOT repros- from old time Gilbert employee- complete your #34 figure set--- Blue man waving hat, blue lady waving, brown man with coat and briefcase, red seated lady, brown seated man, red hydrant, blue man for wheelbarrow, red wheelbarrow, green man with jackhammer, grey man with bar- $15 each Man for baggage cart- beige or brown overalls- $25 each All prices plus postage. Email me at marski@... or call me at 303-345-5031 Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54798	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: S Gauge People Figures

Haven't seen too much about this for six months or so. Does anyone have any good ideas for getting inexpensive S people? O people are too big, about 8 scale feet tall, and HO people are too small. Arttista has some nice figures, but populating a whole town with them would be a little too expensive. Any ideas or does anyone that's downsizing have some they want to get rid of for a fair price? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54799	From: William Porter	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: The New ZOT

Hi Folks, I have been talking a bit for quite a while about my new layout. Progress has been slow - mainly due to the demands of life. I have completed some work on the benches and backdrop. The photos are posted in my personal site at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009.htm For those of you who care to follow along, I'll be posting more from time to time. Enjoy, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida PS I hope the cross-posting is not too severe. I know there are several of us on the same lists. I choose not to clutter the group sites with these photos in part because they really fit in multiple categories. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54800	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: S Gauge figures

MTH makes a whole bag of unpainted figures that are actually about S scale. These were meant for their O gauge passenger cars, but are well undersized because their original car had very small seats to clear the lighting arrangement. I believe they are also availible painted and in blister packs, but at a higher cost. Check the MTH website or your local hobby shop. We have a few bags left at G&M Train & Hobby in Martins Ferry, OH. where I work part time. Call 740/633-6354 10 am to 5 pm and tell 'em what you want. Stumpy Stone in East Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54801	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/8/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge People Figures

Hi Mathew,                      American Models has a nice line of "S" Scale figures and these are a little cheaper than Arttista.  MTH figures are close to "S" and may be "S".  these are plastic and much cheaper than the die cast figures.  Some "O" gauge figures are 1:43 scale and these are even larger than 1:48.  Mike's Train House Figure Set #30-11029 has 12 passengers and used to sell for $29.95.  American Models has painted Railmaster Figures and I think these should for $3.95 each.   "S"cenery Unlimited is another source for "S" Scale figures and I know they handle MTH products.  You might want to give them a try.                                                               Tom Seccia                                      --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew Perks <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge People Figures To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 6:34 PM Haven't seen too much about this for six months or so. Does anyone have any good ideas for getting inexpensive S people? O people are too big, about 8 scale feet tall, and HO people are too small. Arttista has some nice figures, but populating a whole town with them would be a little too expensive. Any ideas or does anyone that's downsizing have some they want to get rid of for a fair price? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54802	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: walking breakman box car

Hi Folks. I've got a walking breakman box car. Unfortunately, the poor old guy can't seem to walk too well. I have the car apart and have tested the vibrator. It seems to be alright but the padding at the base of the moving transport appears to be non existant. What can I use to replace the original pad? Just for fun I placed a stock yard cow in the slot and it ran clear across the top and onto my repair bench. Poor thing had to be shot. Not much beef! Any suggestions. Mike Along with this, I also have an animated caboose. It too has issues. The vibrator works intermittantly while the little figure just stands there. How does one go about servicing one of these? Thanks in advance! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54803	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Jerry, Absolutely! I run mine as well. I have a layout (somewhere) in the basement, and nothing is in the box, with just a few cars on the shelf. I agree with you regarding therapy, especially at my age. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Bruce, et al., I tend to agree with you. That's why I'm enjoying the trains I have now. Very little is still in the box and I like to run the things I have. It's cheap (in the long run) therapy! Jerry "If It Isn't Fun, I'm Out Of Here" Poniatowski Registrar 2010 Spree - see next post --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, albaker33@... wrote: > > > > Bruce, > > I commend you for doing the right things to help those deal best with you collection after you are gone. We should all do the same. I have, but maybe not quite to the degree that you have. > > > > However, in reading your message below, I see nothing that seems to acknowledge the inevitable that the prices that our valued collections are going to very soon, if not al ready, start going down, down, down.  The reality is that there are a lot of very large collections out there, mostly owned by people like myself, over sixty years old.  And over the next 10 or 20 years, as we die off, our collections will be put on the market at an increasing rate.  And since there are going to be fewer people out there buying them (we all know there are not very many younger people getting involved), the prices are going to go way down since the market will be flooded. > > > > I have made this reality very clear to my wife and kids, so that they understand it is highly unlikely that they will get prices that I paid. That's just the way it is. > > > > By watching prices on eBay closely now for about 5 years, I think we have already seen the decline in prices start about 1-2 years ago.   (Whether or not you like eBay doesn't matter - it nevertheless is a good indicator of the market trends.) > > > > Just my two cents worth... > > Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54804	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Al, You have a point, to a degree. However, what explains the increased prices and popularity of Standard Gauge, which predates S and O gauge significantly? Most of the original owners/collectors of that gauge have passed on, but the popularity remains to the extent that the value is maintained. I have a feeling that this trend may continue after we are gone. Of course, there are no guarantees, but the trend seems to advance that thought. Nonetheless, I have also informed my beneficiaries that values could retard, and to stay current with the existing price guides and trends, especially as they relate to the auctions on eBay, as that medium is the desired medium to sell trains today. The days of garage sales. attic finds, finds at Goodwill, train meets, hobby shops, etc., have passed us by in this age of the computer. Most of the used (except for the glut of O gauge Lionel) is no longer found in the local hobby shops. eBay is the most popular medium these days to sell trains. I would suggest that other collectors educate their beneficiaries, unless they have plans to donate their collections to museums, which is a noble thing to do as well. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: albaker33@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Bruce, I commend you for doing the right things to help those deal best with you collection after you are gone. We should all do the same. I have, but maybe not quite to the degree that you have. However, in reading your message below, I see nothing that seems to acknowledge the inevitable that the prices that our valued collections are going to very soon, if not al ready, start going down, down, down. The reality is that there are a lot of very large collections out there, mostly owned by people like myself, over sixty years old. And over the next 10 or 20 years, as we die off, our collections will be put on the market at an increasing rate. And since there are going to be fewer people out there buying them (we all know there are not very many younger people getting involved), the prices are going to go way down since the market will be flooded. I have made this reality very clear to my wife and kids, so that they understand it is highly unlikely that they will get prices that I paid. That's just the way it is. By watching prices on eBay closely now for about 5 years, I think we have already seen the decline in prices start about 1-2 years ago. (Whether or not you like eBay doesn't matter - it nevertheless is a good indicator of the market trends.) Just my two cents worth... Al Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2009 12:13:12 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Ben, While it is true that we will probably die off quicker than you will (of course, there are no guarantees) you must know that we old-timers are not just going to leave the stuff behind without making sure our beneficiaries are completely aware of what we have, do you? I (and I am sure others) have educated my beneficiary as to condition, value, what they can expect to garner at either private sale or auction, a complete description of each item, and the books and reference manuals, so that they are not "taken" by unscrupulous potential buyers. They'll be at your disposal, possibly, but I wouldn't expect to get them for next to nothing. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. Ben . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54805	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car

Hi Mike,                            I have mohair material to replace the damaged mohair on your 970 Smitty. Comes in a package of 2 pieces for $1.50.  It goes in the same direction as the Brown Steer.  You might want to check the spring on the 977 Action Caboose.                                                       Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 6/9/09, snottpuppy124 <mlprell@...> wrote: From: snottpuppy124 <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:43 AM Hi Folks. I've got a walking breakman box car. Unfortunately, the poor old guy can't seem to walk too well. I have the car apart and have tested the vibrator. It seems to be alright but the padding at the base of the moving transport appears to be non existant. What can I use to replace the original pad? Just for fun I placed a stock yard cow in the slot and it ran clear across the top and onto my repair bench. Poor thing had to be shot. Not much beef! Any suggestions. Mike Along with this, I also have an animated caboose. It too has issues. The vibrator works intermittantly while the little figure just stands there. How does one go about servicing one of these? Thanks in advance! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54806	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Bruce,   ===== Al, <snip>   I would suggest that other collectors educate their beneficiaries, unless they have plans to donate their collections to museums, which is a noble thing to do as well. Bruce =====   I have a very good friend that works for the Pa State Railroad Museum in Strausburg, Pa. It is just down the street from the TCA Museum. They have a LOT of modelers donate their collections but unfortunately, MOST of the collections will NEVER see the light of day again due to the limited display space. They litterally have thousands of model trains stored in boxes and crates in the museum's storage facility.   Also be aware that if you intend to donate them to any non-profit organization, that same organization may, by law, sell off your collection to raise money for more "important" things, even to pay utility bills. Once a collection is donated, it becomes the property of the museum and there is no law or legal method that will prevent them from selling pieces of it to meet expenses.   A generous act may release that "rare" piece into the hands of some average Joe with $50.00 in his wallet to spend on that 0-8-0 he has been looking for.   Before you make the donation, find out about the organization's practices on auctioning off donated pieces.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54807	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: speaking of collections

All this talk about collections etc. got me thinking. Does anyone know approximately how many steam locomotives; diesels; and rolling stock GILBERT actually made? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54808	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car

Mike- Guys have tried several different materials to replace the little pads under the brakeman and cattle.  Some guys swear by using paint pad material cut to fit.  I ordered some replacement pads that came in small rectangles and appeared to be very close to the original material.  One thing I did find out after some frustrating trial-and-error is that I needed to trim the stuff very carefully to the rounded profile of the base.  And I found that my Smitty only turns one way - I can't remember whether it's clockwise or counter-clockwise - but that makes sense when you think about how the black and brown cows have to go in opposite directions to end up going up the chute.  I finally got my Smitty to run back and forth, but the darn vibrator is so noisy it's annoying to have on the track.  I will run him when the grandkids ask for it, but that's about it.  Anyone know if the new Smitty cars have a motor/belt system with pulleys? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:43:56 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car Hi Folks. I've got a walking breakman box car. Unfortunately, the poor old guy can't seem to walk too well. I have the car apart and have tested the vibrator. It seems to be alright but the padding at the base of the moving transport appears to be non existant. What can I use to replace the original pad? Just for fun I placed a stock yard cow in the slot and it ran clear across the top and onto my repair bench. Poor thing had to be shot. Not much beef! Any suggestions. Mike Along with this, I also have an animated caboose. It too has issues. The vibrator works intermittantly while the little figure just stands there. How does one go about servicing one of these? Thanks in advance! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54809	From: michael prell	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car

Thank  you! Will do re;spring.I'll be ordering shortly. Thanks again, Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:54 AM Hi Mike,                            I have mohair material to replace the damaged mohair on your 970 Smitty. Comes in a package of 2 pieces for $1.50.  It goes in the same direction as the Brown Steer.  You might want to check the spring on the 977 Action Caboose.                                                       Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 6/9/09, snottpuppy124 <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: snottpuppy124 <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:43 AM Hi Folks. I've got a walking breakman box car. Unfortunately, the poor old guy can't seem to walk too well. I have the car apart and have tested the vibrator. It seems to be alright but the padding at the base of the moving transport appears to be non existant. What can I use to replace the original pad? Just for fun I placed a stock yard cow in the slot and it ran clear across the top and onto my repair bench. Poor thing had to be shot. Not much beef! Any suggestions. Mike Along with this, I also have an animated caboose. It too has issues. The vibrator works intermittantly while the little figure just stands there. How does one go about servicing one of these? Thanks in advance! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54810	From: michael prell	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car

I appreciate the added information! This is what I've come to admire about this group! You folks are great! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 6/9/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:24 AM Mike- Guys have tried several different materials to replace the little pads under the brakeman and cattle.  Some guys swear by using paint pad material cut to fit.  I ordered some replacement pads that came in small rectangles and appeared to be very close to the original material.  One thing I did find out after some frustrating trial-and-error is that I needed to trim the stuff very carefully to the rounded profile of the base.  And I found that my Smitty only turns one way - I can't remember whether it's clockwise or counter-clockwise - but that makes sense when you think about how the black and brown cows have to go in opposite directions to end up going up the chute.  I finally got my Smitty to run back and forth, but the darn vibrator is so noisy it's annoying to have on the track.  I will run him when the grandkids ask for it, but that's about it.  Anyone know if the new Smitty cars have a motor/belt system with pulleys? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:43:56 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car Hi Folks. I've got a walking breakman box car. Unfortunately, the poor old guy can't seem to walk too well. I have the car apart and have tested the vibrator. It seems to be alright but the padding at the base of the moving transport appears to be non existant. What can I use to replace the original pad? Just for fun I placed a stock yard cow in the slot and it ran clear across the top and onto my repair bench. Poor thing had to be shot. Not much beef! Any suggestions. Mike Along with this, I also have an animated caboose. It too has issues. The vibrator works intermittantly while the little figure just stands there. How does one go about servicing one of these? Thanks in advance! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54811	From: michael prell	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections

Yeah, To infinity and beyond. {:>) The Dufus from Syracusis!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of collections To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:05 AM All this talk about collections etc. got me thinking. Does anyone know approximately how many steam locomotives; diesels; and rolling stock GILBERT actually made? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54812	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Nick, I wasn't aware of that. Are you sure you can't stipulate that they cannot be disposed of in order to pay bills, etc.? That would preclude me from donating, if I was so inclined. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Bruce, ===== Al, <snip> I would suggest that other collectors educate their beneficiaries, unless they have plans to donate their collections to museums, which is a noble thing to do as well. Bruce ===== I have a very good friend that works for the Pa State Railroad Museum in Strausburg, Pa. It is just down the street from the TCA Museum. They have a LOT of modelers donate their collections but unfortunately, MOST of the collections will NEVER see the light of day again due to the limited display space. They litterally have thousands of model trains stored in boxes and crates in the museum's storage facility. Also be aware that if you intend to donate them to any non-profit organization, that same organization may, by law, sell off your collection to raise money for more "important" things, even to pay utility bills. Once a collection is donated, it becomes the property of the museum and there is no law or legal method that will prevent them from selling pieces of it to meet expenses. A generous act may release that "rare" piece into the hands of some average Joe with $50.00 in his wallet to spend on that 0-8-0 he has been looking for. Before you make the donation, find out about the organization's practices on auctioning off donated pieces. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54813	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections

The closest you could come to determining the amount would be to start with the catalogues, and then go to the reference books for variations, and then get a hold of Maury Romer's catalogue of what was actually made. You would come pretty close to what was actually produced. As far as actual production numbers, good luck. All of those records were burned after the company declared bankruptcy in 1967, per Maury Romer. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of collections All this talk about collections etc. got me thinking. Does anyone know approximately how many steam locomotives; diesels; and rolling stock GILBERT actually made? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54814	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Ben, You're right. But, I think a lot of what was manufactured has been broken, stepped on, and kitbashed to death over the years. There may not be that much quality stuff out there anymore, except in the hands of collectors. There will always be those pieces that are less than desireable (with cracks, dents, broken catwalks, missing steps, rust, etc.) but the truly nice pieces, I think, are few and far between. That, of course, is understandable since these were toys and were supposed to be played with, not shelved. But, I find it hard to put the really rare pieces on the layout. I don't trust the couplers, the switches, or the even the track and it would sicken me to see a rare car hit the basement floor. That's just me. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Bruce- You are absolutely right...no one knows when their time will come. And I am glad your beneficiaries know exactly what your stuff is worth. My wife knows very well what mine is worth, too. She would never be taken by offers made too low. However...the collection is also not my retirement account. I am enjoying it now. I could easily fill a 500 lot auction with my collection of Z, N, HO, O, G, Standard gauge, and Doepke trains, not to mention books, magazines, and an almost-complete Hallmark train ornament collection. That is not my purpose in this, though. While my stuff is not all that rare, all of it is super nice...and it all works. I do expect the laws of supply and demand to hit the toy train marque at some point. While all of the really, really rare stuff will not necessarily lose value, I know the number of collectors will diminish. My age bracket makes up maybe 10% of attendance at York, Greenberg Shows, etc. The demand will decrease and the supply will increase in years to come. Don't worry...I am not waiting anyone out. This is a hobby. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Ben, > > While it is true that we will probably die off quicker than you will (of course, there are no guarantees) you must know that we old-timers are not just going to leave the stuff behind without making sure our beneficiaries are completely aware of what we have, do you? I (and I am sure others) have educated my beneficiary as to condition, value, what they can expect to garner at either private sale or auction, a complete description of each item, and the books and reference manuals, so that they are not "taken" by unscrupulous potential buyers. > > They'll be at your disposal, possibly, but I wouldn't expect to get them for next to nothing. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bstilesaf > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:24 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 > > > > > > > > No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. > > Ben > > > > . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54815	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Bruce, ===== I wasn't aware of that.  Are you sure you can't stipulate that they cannot be disposed of in order to pay bills, etc.?  That would preclude me from donating, if I was so inclined. ===== I was as surprised as you are. There was a discussion on one of the yahoogroups earlier this year on that exact subject so I asked a friend that works for the museum about it and he verified it. The donor still gets the tax write-off but the collection then becomes the property of the museum. There are no guarantees that donations will not be liquidated. It does have to be approved by the BOD first.   Most people think that their gift will be, at the very least, displayed someplace. That is what I thought, but almost 90% of all donations are simply packed up and "stored". The NRHS group locally is often asked to set up their modules at the museum. Occasionally, they are given a behind-the-scenes look at the museum before the event. Several of my friends have seen it with their own eyes. The museum does not have the staff or space to even clean some of the equipment donated.    If I were to donate my collection, I think I would want it to go someplace where it could be enjoyed by others, not "sealed up", and never to see the light of day again.   Of course, some collectors would rather have their "rare" possiesions out of the hands of idiots like me that would <gasp> run them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54816	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: walking breakman box car

Hi Jim,                The 970 Walking Brakeman pad should be slanted in the same direction as the brown steer.   Some of the reproduction paint pads are too thick and will not work with the steers, Smitty or Billy the Baggage Smasher.  If your Smitty is moving correctly, you can adjust the vibration so it isn't that loud.  I found a batch of mohair and I've been selling that in place of the paint pad.                                                Tom Seccia                                                 --- On Tue, 6/9/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:24 AM Mike- Guys have tried several different materials to replace the little pads under the brakeman and cattle. Some guys swear by using paint pad material cut to fit. I ordered some replacement pads that came in small rectangles and appeared to be very close to the original material. One thing I did find out after some frustrating trial-and-error is that I needed to trim the stuff very carefully to the rounded profile of the base. And I found that my Smitty only turns one way - I can't remember whether it's clockwise or counter-clockwise - but that makes sense when you think about how the black and brown cows have to go in opposite directions to end up going up the chute. I finally got my Smitty to run back and forth, but the darn vibrator is so noisy it's annoying to have on the track. I will run him when the grandkids ask for it, but that's about it. Anyone know if the new Smitty cars have a motor/belt system with pulleys? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:43:56 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] walking breakman box car Hi Folks. I've got a walking breakman box car. Unfortunately, the poor old guy can't seem to walk too well. I have the car apart and have tested the vibrator. It seems to be alright but the padding at the base of the moving transport appears to be non existant. What can I use to replace the original pad? Just for fun I placed a stock yard cow in the slot and it ran clear across the top and onto my repair bench. Poor thing had to be shot. Not much beef! Any suggestions. Mike Along with this, I also have an animated caboose. It too has issues. The vibrator works intermittantly while the little figure just stands there. How does one go about servicing one of these? Thanks in advance! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54817	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

A while back Ward Kimball had his collection auctioned off when he passed away. His motto was that he wanted the trains to be in the hands of collectors who would appreciate them, not boxed and stored away. He and a lot of us visitors to his home and collection enjoyed them for many years and now they are being enjoyed by many people who bid on the items as auctioned. And his family received the proceeds.   Win/win   Bill Drake Soggy in St. Louis --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 1:48 PM Bruce, ===== I wasn't aware of that.  Are you sure you can't stipulate that they cannot be disposed of in order to pay bills, etc.?  That would preclude me from donating, if I was so inclined. ===== I was as surprised as you are. There was a discussion on one of the yahoogroups earlier this year on that exact subject so I asked a friend that works for the museum about it and he verified it. The donor still gets the tax write-off but the collection then becomes the property of the museum. There are no guarantees that donations will not be liquidated. It does have to be approved by the BOD first.   Most people think that their gift will be, at the very least, displayed someplace. That is what I thought, but almost 90% of all donations are simply packed up and "stored". The NRHS group locally is often asked to set up their modules at the museum. Occasionally, they are given a behind-the-scenes look at the museum before the event. Several of my friends have seen it with their own eyes. The museum does not have the staff or space to even clean some of the equipment donated.    If I were to donate my collection, I think I would want it to go someplace where it could be enjoyed by others, not "sealed up", and never to see the light of day again.   Of course, some collectors would rather have their "rare" possiesions out of the hands of idiots like me that would <gasp> run them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54818	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

However, there is still stuff that creeps out of the storage place after being tucked away for decades. I bought one of these 1947 332's a 342, several heavyweights, tunnel, bridge, talking station, sam and so forth - 5 big UPS boxes full about 3 years ago. All in original boxes and wrappers from 1946,7 and 8. Came from the family of the original owner and is all in like new condition. Story was that it was an under the tree set up for the sellers brother by the sellers father, but was put away after 3 years and never set up again. Don't think this one instance depressed the market for these items however. For every 100 trashed pieces, one of these shows up.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 1:30 PM Ben, You're right. But, I think a lot of what was manufactured has been broken, stepped on, and kitbashed to death over the years. There may not be that much quality stuff out there anymore, except in the hands of collectors. There will always be those pieces that are less than desireable (with cracks, dents, broken catwalks, missing steps, rust, etc.) but the truly nice pieces, I think, are few and far between. That, of course, is understandable since these were toys and were supposed to be played with, not shelved. But, I find it hard to put the really rare pieces on the layout. I don't trust the couplers, the switches, or the even the track and it would sicken me to see a rare car hit the basement floor. That's just me. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Bruce- You are absolutely right...no one knows when their time will come. And I am glad your beneficiaries know exactly what your stuff is worth. My wife knows very well what mine is worth, too. She would never be taken by offers made too low. However...the collection is also not my retirement account. I am enjoying it now. I could easily fill a 500 lot auction with my collection of Z, N, HO, O, G, Standard gauge, and Doepke trains, not to mention books, magazines, and an almost-complete Hallmark train ornament collection. That is not my purpose in this, though. While my stuff is not all that rare, all of it is super nice...and it all works. I do expect the laws of supply and demand to hit the toy train marque at some point. While all of the really, really rare stuff will not necessarily lose value, I know the number of collectors will diminish. My age bracket makes up maybe 10% of attendance at York, Greenberg Shows, etc. The demand will decrease and the supply will increase in years to come. Don't worry...I am not waiting anyone out. This is a hobby. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@.. .> wrote: > > > Ben, > > While it is true that we will probably die off quicker than you will (of course, there are no guarantees) you must know that we old-timers are not just going to leave the stuff behind without making sure our beneficiaries are completely aware of what we have, do you? I (and I am sure others) have educated my beneficiary as to condition, value, what they can expect to garner at either private sale or auction, a complete description of each item, and the books and reference manuals, so that they are not "taken" by unscrupulous potential buyers. > > They'll be at your disposal, possibly, but I wouldn't expect to get them for next to nothing. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bstilesaf > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:24 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 > > > > > > > > No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. > > Ben > > > > . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54819	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Ebay 332

As far as donating to a museum...I can verify that it's not what you might expect. Having been involved in vintage cars and auto racing for many years, I can tell you that most larger museums have WAY more stuff than they can display, maintain or even store. The National Sprint Car Museum is jammed with race cars donated over the years, many quite historic. To keep from renting so much storage space and to keep expenses in line, several of these cars were auctioned a few years ago. There was a back lash in the old racer community and now they get few donatiions. People expect their donations to remain in the museum forever of course. The Indianapolis Speedway Museum has a basement full of historic old race cars jammed wheel to wheel and coated with dust. They also have other cars stored in buildings on the property. Many of these historic race cars are not Indy cars, but Sprint Cars, Midgets, and even a few Stock Cars and Sport Cars. Three or four times a year, the museum changes some of it's displays to highlight certain cars, but they still have many more than will ever see daylight again. The Petersen Automobile Museum in California also has a huge number of cars in their basement and other storage facilities. However, they wisely limit the vehicles they accept for donation. Our AARA members have taken to donating cars to smaller museums which will appreciate and display their vintage race cars, or they are selling them outright. Museums are always hurting for help, funding, restoration needs, and space, so I would suggest you select where your donations will go carefully. Stumpy Stone...vintage car guy too...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54820	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp Bruce, . . . . . . . . . . . . Are you sure you can't stipulate that they cannot be disposed of in order to pay bills, etc.? That would preclude me from donating, if I was so inclined. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I was as surprised as you are.. . . . . . . . .. The donor still gets the tax write-off but the collection then becomes the property of the museum. There are no guarantees that donations will not be liquidated.. . . . . Most people think that their gift will be, at the very least, displayed someplace. > > > > > > > > > > Of course you love and worship your trains, almost as much as life itself., maybe. But to leave those trains to any person or corporate entity, including a museum, and assume that this person or entity is obligated to love those trains the way you did, is naïve, to say the least. One leaves one's wealth to another party to benefit that party, and that generally gives that party 100% rights of ownership, including the right of alienation (look it up). If you insist, when you bequeath your platinum ingots, Penn Central stock, Chrysler bonds, or AF trains, that the beneficiary shall not convert said goods into any other form of wealth, that beneficiary would be ill-advised to accept the bequest. You're not trying to benefit that museum, you're asking them to be another place where you memory is sanctified. If you really want your trains to be honored after your life the way your honored them when you were alive, the best bet would be to have them installed somewhere in your mausoleum. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12570 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54821	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Value of 375.... Black shell

On the 375 Geep.... I have only seen a couple in the years I have been collecting. All of them were Silver because of a light colored shell. Mine however is Greyish Silver because it is on a Black Shell. I wonder how this affects the value? Anybody seen one on a Black Shell? This 375 does have all the correct items under the hood including the purple may 53 date, although light, it is there... Condition is Good to Very good. I am not concerned about the genuineness of the item as it has been well examined at York at the Nut Meet.. Comments as to how odd shells affect the values of items..... Yes it might be for sale later.. Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54822	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/9/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Wow, I have never knew that, but can that change from state to state?  Clayton    In Oregon....  --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 6:36 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp Bruce, . . . . . . . . . . . . Are you sure you can't stipulate that they cannot be disposed of in order to pay bills, etc.? That would preclude me from donating, if I was so inclined. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I was as surprised as you are.. . . . . . . . .. The donor still gets the tax write-off but the collection then becomes the property of the museum. There are no guarantees that donations will not be liquidated.. . . . . Most people think that their gift will be, at the very least, displayed someplace. > > > > > > > > > > Of course you love and worship your trains, almost as much as life itself., maybe. But to leave those trains to any person or corporate entity, including a museum, and assume that this person or entity is obligated to love those trains the way you did, is naïve, to say the least. One leaves one's wealth to another party to benefit that party, and that generally gives that party 100% rights of ownership, including the right of alienation (look it up). If you insist, when you bequeath your platinum ingots, Penn Central stock, Chrysler bonds, or AF trains, that the beneficiary shall not convert said goods into any other form of wealth, that beneficiary would be ill-advised to accept the bequest. You're not trying to benefit that museum, you're asking them to be another place where you memory is sanctified. If you really want your trains to be honored after your life the way your honored them when you were alive, the best bet would be to have them installed somewhere in your mausoleum. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12570 http://www.pctools com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54823	From: jfred436@yahoo.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Donations

It depends on how badly they want the item. If you donate land, you can have title revert when no longer needed. There must be some way for other things to do so. But, as said, would they want it under those conditions? jfred --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 9:36 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp Bruce, . . . . . . . . . . . . Are you sure you can't stipulate that they cannot be disposed of in order to pay bills, etc.? That would preclude me from donating, if I was so inclined. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I was as surprised as you are.. . . . . . . . .. The donor still gets the tax write-off but the collection then becomes the property of the museum. There are no guarantees that donations will not be liquidated.. . . . . Most people think that their gift will be, at the very least, displayed someplace. > > > > > > > > > > Of course you love and worship your trains, almost as much as life itself., maybe. But to leave those trains to any person or corporate entity, including a museum, and assume that this person or entity is obligated to love those trains the way you did, is naïve, to say the least. One leaves one's wealth to another party to benefit that party, and that generally gives that party 100% rights of ownership, including the right of alienation (look it up). If you insist, when you bequeath your platinum ingots, Penn Central stock, Chrysler bonds, or AF trains, that the beneficiary shall not convert said goods into any other form of wealth, that beneficiary would be ill-advised to accept the bequest. You're not trying to benefit that museum, you're asking them to be another place where you memory is sanctified. If you really want your trains to be honored after your life the way your honored them when you were alive, the best bet would be to have them installed somewhere in your mausoleum. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12570 http://www.pctools com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54824	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections

If you only want a count of catalog numbers, and are not concerned with the number of variations, you can count them in Greenberg's or on TheGilbertGallery.org.  If you do want variations, TheGilbertGallery.org lists most of them. --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] speaking of collections To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:51 AM The closest you could come to determining the amount would be to start with the catalogues, and then go to the reference books for variations, and then get a hold of Maury Romer's catalogue of what was actually made. You would come pretty close to what was actually produced. As far as actual production numbers, good luck. All of those records were burned after the company declared bankruptcy in 1967, per Maury Romer. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of collections All this talk about collections etc. got me thinking. Does anyone know approximately how many steam locomotives; diesels; and rolling stock GILBERT actually made? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54825	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

My point exactly, Bill. Like you said, for every 100 trashed pieces, one like you happened across shows up. (You lucky devil). :) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 However, there is still stuff that creeps out of the storage place after being tucked away for decades. I bought one of these 1947 332's a 342, several heavyweights, tunnel, bridge, talking station, sam and so forth - 5 big UPS boxes full about 3 years ago. All in original boxes and wrappers from 1946,7 and 8. Came from the family of the original owner and is all in like new condition. Story was that it was an under the tree set up for the sellers brother by the sellers father, but was put away after 3 years and never set up again. Don't think this one instance depressed the market for these items however. For every 100 trashed pieces, one of these shows up. Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 1:30 PM Ben, You're right. But, I think a lot of what was manufactured has been broken, stepped on, and kitbashed to death over the years. There may not be that much quality stuff out there anymore, except in the hands of collectors. There will always be those pieces that are less than desireable (with cracks, dents, broken catwalks, missing steps, rust, etc.) but the truly nice pieces, I think, are few and far between. That, of course, is understandable since these were toys and were supposed to be played with, not shelved. But, I find it hard to put the really rare pieces on the layout. I don't trust the couplers, the switches, or the even the track and it would sicken me to see a rare car hit the basement floor. That's just me. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 Bruce- You are absolutely right...no one knows when their time will come. And I am glad your beneficiaries know exactly what your stuff is worth. My wife knows very well what mine is worth, too. She would never be taken by offers made too low. However...the collection is also not my retirement account. I am enjoying it now. I could easily fill a 500 lot auction with my collection of Z, N, HO, O, G, Standard gauge, and Doepke trains, not to mention books, magazines, and an almost-complete Hallmark train ornament collection. That is not my purpose in this, though. While my stuff is not all that rare, all of it is super nice...and it all works. I do expect the laws of supply and demand to hit the toy train marque at some point. While all of the really, really rare stuff will not necessarily lose value, I know the number of collectors will diminish. My age bracket makes up maybe 10% of attendance at York, Greenberg Shows, etc. The demand will decrease and the supply will increase in years to come. Don't worry...I am not waiting anyone out. This is a hobby. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@.. .> wrote: > > > Ben, > > While it is true that we will probably die off quicker than you will (of course, there are no guarantees) you must know that we old-timers are not just going to leave the stuff behind without making sure our beneficiaries are completely aware of what we have, do you? I (and I am sure others) have educated my beneficiary as to condition, value, what they can expect to garner at either private sale or auction, a complete description of each item, and the books and reference manuals, so that they are not "taken" by unscrupulous potential buyers. > > They'll be at your disposal, possibly, but I wouldn't expect to get them for next to nothing. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bstilesaf > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:24 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 > > > > > > > > No worries...I am 33. I see lots of trains, both common and rare, at my disposal in the next several years. > > Ben > > > > . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54826	From: A E Johnson	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: The New ZOT

Bill, I enjoyed to pictures of your ZOT line. I plan to build a 12'X16' outbuilding. I had planned to use it strictly for storage. Unless I finished it off with heavy insulation and ran power for climate control to it I thought it would be unsatisfactory for modeling. The idea was to build this building, then claim half of the garage for a train room. I was going to enclose it, also, but with walls I could take down it I needed to sell this house. Do you have humidity problems with the pond behind the building? What kind of climate and humidity control do you have? From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 4:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The New ZOT Hi Folks, I have been talking a bit for quite a while about my new layout. Progress has been slow - mainly due to the demands of life. I have completed some work on the benches and backdrop. The photos are posted in my personal site at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009.htm For those of you who care to follow along, I'll be posting more from time to time. Enjoy, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida PS I hope the cross-posting is not too severe. I know there are several of us on the same lists. I choose not to clutter the group sites with these photos in part because they really fit in multiple categories. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54827	From: uvl97222	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

I was lucky to have a 342 SIT tender given to me, but that's all. Boy to fined the other half would be great! Clayton In Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Larry, >                       I took a look at the 332 that sold on ebay for $1,352.76.  Some other S members replied that this is a 1946 SIT 332 Northern.  I can tell you that this is not a 1946. A 1946 332 would have round head rivets on the linkage.  This 332 is a 1947 with hex head rivets PA10445 and it has a 1947 plastic link coupler. A 1946 link coupler would have a thin shank and a black link coupler pin.  A 1947 is still very rare and I believe whoever won the bid got a steal.  In all the years I've been collecting, I've never seen a 1946 SIT Northern or a 1946 SIT 342 Switcher.  The 1947 342 & 332 SIT are DC. A 1946 would be AC and the reverse unit would be in the boiler.  Both a 332 SIT & 342 SIT DC powered came in the complete Railroad System Set #4622, which is very rare to find.  In a Greenberg book in 1992, the 1947 332 listed for $1,000 in VG condition and $1,900 in Excellent Condition.  That was 17 years ago, so the > rarity increases.  It doesn't appear looking at the ebay listing that the seller made any claims as to the locomotive being a 1946 Northern. >                                                       Tom Seccia >                                          > > --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay 332 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: mcclureterry@... > Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 9:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone in the group tell me why this unit sold for this kind of money? > > Ebay; Item number: 150349241866 > > > > Thanks, Larry Moore > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54828	From: Bill Lohr	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Bigboy American flyer question

Has anyone heard anything about when the Bigboy engine is going to be sent out to us or is it maybe not going to happen. I have not heard anything for some time about this. Thanks for any information you may have! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54829	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Donations

The BEST approach is to ASK & UNDERSTAND the charity's approach to donations. IRS regs require the donation be held for a specified period of time before it can be "deaccessioned" (disposed of). The organization may have criteria beyond that. Last year, we at the National Toy Train Museum used elements of a 1990's donation to help build a new layout and also other parts were used to display how train layouts were controlled circa 1950. Now, multiple duplicates of items held beyond a period of time are being sold thru the members newsletters and at TCA shows. Cost of storage is a serious issue. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 6:14:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jfred436@... writes: It depends on how badly they want the item. If you donate land, you can have title revert when no longer needed. There must be some way for other things to do so. But, as said, would they want it under those conditions? jfred --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay 332 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 9:36 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp Bruce, . . . . . . . . . . . . Are you sure you can't stipulate that they cannot be disposed of in order to pay bills, etc.? That would preclude me from donating, if I was so inclined. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I was as surprised as you are.. . . . . . . . .. The donor still gets the tax write-off but the collection then becomes the property of the museum. There are no guarantees that donations will not be liquidated.. . . . . Most people think that their gift will be, at the very least, displayed someplace. > > > > > > > > > > Of course you love and worship your trains, almost as much as life itself., maybe. But to leave those trains to any person or corporate entity, including a museum, and assume that this person or entity is obligated to love those trains the way you did, is naïve, to say the least. One leaves one's wealth to another party to benefit that party, and that generally gives that party 100% rights of ownership, including the right of alienation (look it up). If you insist, when you bequeath your platinum ingots, Penn Central stock, Chrysler bonds, or AF trains, that the beneficiary shall not convert said goods into any other form of wealth, that beneficiary would be ill-advised to accept the bequest. You're not trying to benefit that museum, you're asking them to be another place where you memory is sanctified. If you really want your trains to be honored after your life the way your honored them when you were alive, the best bet would be to have them installed somewhere in your mausoleum. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12570 http://www.pctools com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54830	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Value of 375.... Black shell

Hi Bob,                  It must have the date stamp on the shell.  The 375 GM also has a speaker for sound.  If any wires are soldered again and the solder appears to be new it could be a fake. This had been done in the past.  It would cost you a few bucks to make one.  375 number boards from a T&P along with the speaker systems, plus a good 370 shell.  Real rare original to find.                                                  Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:20 PM On the 375 Geep.... I have only seen a couple in the years I have been collecting. All of them were Silver because of a light colored shell. Mine however is Greyish Silver because it is on a Black Shell. I wonder how this affects the value? Anybody seen one on a Black Shell? This 375 does have all the correct items under the hood including the purple may 53 date, although light, it is there... Condition is Good to Very good. I am not concerned about the genuineness of the item as it has been well examined at York at the Nut Meet.. Comments as to how odd shells affect the values of items..... Yes it might be for sale later.. Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54831	From: ehsauers1	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 Update 6/10/09

Group, The numbers are looking good BUT we still need a few last commitments to guarantee getting the FMH10-44 into production. The kit is now offered in both Scale and HI-RAIL version. Please help support this project !!!! You can visit the SMMW site at http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/ <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/> <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/ <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/> > and select the GE 70 ton diesel that was just released, look at the detail in the pictures and read the description of what is included in Jim's kits. Please contact me at edsauers@... </group/S-Scale/post?postID=e8S8o9KE88UvH1lRkRNNtV8CxwCxwgbyXZEUeBs3eAOW\ 4lth31OhZ6ktLmfC0xXOHiWDYn4Ea-dPHJoa_w> <mailto:edsauers@... </group/S-Scale/post?postID=e8S8o9KE88UvH1lRkRNNtV8CxwCxwgbyXZEUeBs3eAOW\ 4lth31OhZ6ktLmfC0xXOHiWDYn4Ea-dPHJoa_w> > if you would like to be added to the list of interested modelers Thanks Ed Sauers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54832	From: Robert Board	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question

The American Flyer Big Boy has been re-scheduled to Sept. 09. I still have a few available if you do not have one pre-ordered. Lionel is not accepting any additional orders for this item. Bill Lohr wrote: > > > Has anyone heard anything about when the Bigboy engine is going to be > sent out to us or is it maybe not going to happen. I have not heard > anything for some time about this. Thanks for any information you may > have! > > Bill > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54833	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay 332

Donating ANYTHING that's redundant (not already in the collection of) to any museum for a tax write-off is an example of the wide spread self-serving greed that's gotten us into the fiscal catastrophe that's sinking this, and other countries. If you really want to do something with your trains that benefits society, then arrange to have them auctioned, with the proceeds then donated to charities that you choose. Hospitals, schools, self-help programs, et. al. are much more deserving than the TCA Museum. The TCA should consider auctioning its redundant holdings for such purposes. Art Shifrin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54834	From: A E Johnson	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question

It seems to me Lionel has rescheduled this a couple of times. By not accepting additional orders, is Lionel telling us something? From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Board Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:36 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bigboy American flyer question The American Flyer Big Boy has been re-scheduled to Sept. 09. I still have a few available if you do not have one pre-ordered. Lionel is not accepting any additional orders for this item. Bill Lohr wrote: > > > Has anyone heard anything about when the Bigboy engine is going to be > sent out to us or is it maybe not going to happen. I have not heard > anything for some time about this. Thanks for any information you may > have! > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54835	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Value of 375.... Black shell

Tom.... The date is on the shell.... All stuff appears original... Like I said this piece was well examined at the Flyer Nut Meet at York.... Including removing the shell.... This was about 2 years ago.... I am sure its genuine....I also had some other WIERD pieces at another meet from the same lot.... A 21140 with plug into engine and die cast tender... and a 21130 with some different things.... and a 21145 same.... all with boxes... 1 box has an address on Gilbert where they made munitions or something... they had used cut up cardboard for liners in the boxes...and different tender wheels... The consensus was that the 21140 was possibly a very early factory job due to the die cast tender and the wiring like a 326..... Bob --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:26 AM Hi Bob,                  It must have the date stamp on the shell.  The 375 GM also has a speaker for sound.  If any wires are soldered again and the solder appears to be new it could be a fake. This had been done in the past.  It would cost you a few bucks to make one.  375 number boards from a T&P along with the speaker systems, plus a good 370 shell.  Real rare original to find.                                                  Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:20 PM On the 375 Geep.... I have only seen a couple in the years I have been collecting. All of them were Silver because of a light colored shell. Mine however is Greyish Silver because it is on a Black Shell. I wonder how this affects the value? Anybody seen one on a Black Shell? This 375 does have all the correct items under the hood including the purple may 53 date, although light, it is there... Condition is Good to Very good. I am not concerned about the genuineness of the item as it has been well examined at York at the Nut Meet.. Comments as to how odd shells affect the values of items..... Yes it might be for sale later.. Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54836	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question

Robert, Please contact me offline with price. What is the name of your hobby shop and what else do you stock in the way of S, Flyer or Flyonel? Thanks :) Roy Inman on 6/10/09 8:35 AM, Robert Board at boardrr@... wrote: > > > > > > The American Flyer Big Boy has been re-scheduled to Sept. 09. I still > have a few available if you do not have one pre-ordered. Lionel is not > accepting any additional orders for this item. > > Bill Lohr wrote: >> > >> > >> > Has anyone heard anything about when the Bigboy engine is going to be >> > sent out to us or is it maybe not going to happen. I have not heard >> > anything for some time about this. Thanks for any information you may >> > have! >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54837	From: race944t	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Museum donation that will be used & viewed

I have been contacted by the Virginia Transportation Museum in Roanoke, Va. about setting up a working AF layout. I think they will agree to provide about a 20' x 20' space right inside the front door. I can tell you they are VERY anxious to get an "S" gauge layout so, if any of you happen to want to donate some items that WILL be viewed, used, & not sold, contact me off list. For your information, the museum has currently been promissed a $50,000 grant from Norfolk Southern if they can raise a like amount. This $100,000 would be used for a study to develop a long term business plan for the museum. In case you have not been, there is a lot to see including the famed N&W 611 and A class 1218, not to mention other N&W engine classes and rolling stock. You can visit vmt.org for a tour. Banker Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54838	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: S-Guagian magazine info

Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54839	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54840	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: 21140/21130 comments

Interesting comments regarding the 21140 & 21130. My 21140 has a diecast tender with plastic insert # PA14B972, which receives the two prong plug on the wires from the engine. I have heard of the plastic tenders, but have never seen one. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell Tom.... The date is on the shell.... All stuff appears original... Like I said this piece was well examined at the Flyer Nut Meet at York.... Including removing the shell.... This was about 2 years ago.... I am sure its genuine....I also had some other WIERD pieces at another meet from the same lot.... A 21140 with plug into engine and die cast tender... and a 21130 with some different things.... and a 21145 same.... all with boxes... 1 box has an address on Gilbert where they made munitions or something... they had used cut up cardboard for liners in the boxes...and different tender wheels... The consensus was that the 21140 was possibly a very early factory job due to the die cast tender and the wiring like a 326..... Bob --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:26 AM Hi Bob, It must have the date stamp on the shell. The 375 GM also has a speaker for sound. If any wires are soldered again and the solder appears to be new it could be a fake. This had been done in the past. It would cost you a few bucks to make one. 375 number boards from a T&P along with the speaker systems, plus a good 370 shell. Real rare original to find. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:20 PM On the 375 Geep.... I have only seen a couple in the years I have been collecting. All of them were Silver because of a light colored shell. Mine however is Greyish Silver because it is on a Black Shell. I wonder how this affects the value? Anybody seen one on a Black Shell? This 375 does have all the correct items under the hood including the purple may 53 date, although light, it is there... Condition is Good to Very good. I am not concerned about the genuineness of the item as it has been well examined at York at the Nut Meet.. Comments as to how odd shells affect the values of items..... Yes it might be for sale later.. Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54841	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Donations

Art, TCA & NTTM are most stringent about the timing and de-accessioning process. I absolutely trust the people who do this and am absolutely not concerned about the process. It is a long and arduous process as they do it to be sure that anything they do is correct, fair, etc. They are among the best at what they do. Jim "I've been to NTTM" Lyle **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54842	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if using two). I will check to see if in stock. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54843	From: mikenguy9@yahoo.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

I do not know if there is an e-mail address for it.  But have you tried calling the magazine directly?  They are a subburb of Chicago.. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:33 PM Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54844	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

Nick, S-Gaugian is on sale in the "Atrium" at the National Toy Train Museum in Strasburg, PA, open Friday thru Monday I think. You can call 717-687-8976 to be sure. Jim "I've been to NTTM" Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54845	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

JUST tried to get button back in stock, no longer made. Bet we can fix that. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 1:36:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if using two). I will check to see if in stock. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown000000 04) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54846	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

S Gaugian contacts: info@... or 1-708-366-1973 Stores that carry it - ask Kalmbach Publishing 1-800-558-1544 Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WJJIM@... Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: msanchez@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info Nick, S-Gaugian is on sale in the "Atrium" at the National Toy Train Museum in Strasburg, PA, open Friday thru Monday I think. You can call 717-687-8976 to be sure. Jim "I've been to NTTM" Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown000000 04) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.61/2167 - Release Date: 06/10/09 05:52:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54847	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

Nick, From the S-Guagian website: For questions: Contact us at: Heimburger House Publishing 7236 W. Madison Street Forest Park, IL 60130 USA (708) 366-1973 (9 am to 4:15 pm CST Mon-Fri) No email address is listed on the website. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Nick, > S-Gaugian is on sale in the "Atrium" at the National Toy Train Museum in > Strasburg, PA, open Friday thru Monday I think. You can call 717-687-8976 > to be sure. > > Jim "I've been to NTTM" Lyle > > > In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cornwall9@... writes: > > Friends, > > Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local > shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. > is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but > I couldn't find anything for that info. > > I am also looking for info on back issues availability. > > Thanks for any help, > Nick Kulp > TCA 05-59603 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your > fingertips. > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54848	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone (was) S-Guagian magazine info

Hi Dave,   ===== S Gaugian contacts: info@...  or 1-708-366-1973 Stores that carry it - ask Kalmbach Publishing 1-800-558-1544 Dave in Maryland =====   Unfortunately, Kalmbach does not have any info on stores that sell it. S-Guagian only advertises in Classic Toy Trains. It is not a Kalmbach publication. They did however, offer to send me a back issue if they can find one. They are a great bunch of helpful people there. I know they publish Classic Toy Trains but S-Guage articles are few and far between in that magazine.   Thanks to everyone that responded. I contacted S-Guagian and they do not have any "modern" way to subscribe. They only take a check or Money order. They have no way to use a credit card or PayPal. That is a bit sad. I HATE to use a check and the USPS. The delay waiting for a check to clear plus the bother of an envelope and postage. I will just pick them up at Mainline Hobby supply in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. It will give me an excuse to drive the 80 miles to visit the shop.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54849	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections

How many trains and accessories were made at ACG?? Enough to keep the company in good shape for nearly 25 years- go back to Chicago, and you have a family fortune based on AF for about 35 years. That's a LOTTA product made- I kind of feel that there are plenty of finds for yard sales and e-bayers for quite some time. I found a VG Royal Blue passenger set, 1942 vintage at a Newport, VT yard sale last year. With the OB-a bit tattered, but there along with a #10 transformer and some rusty 0 track (I kept it because of the radius). Everything worked-even the annoying "Choo-choo" tender (TG it has a kill switch!) and it was $75, firm. Plus an L-brand postwar 223 SF switcher, I had to take everything. Yard sales will continue to turn nice, common things yet  John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54850	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: speaking of collections

I think Jack may be asking about production numbers, but I'm not sure. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] speaking of collections If you only want a count of catalog numbers, and are not concerned with the number of variations, you can count them in Greenberg's or on TheGilbertGallery.org. If you do want variations, TheGilbertGallery.org lists most of them. --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] speaking of collections To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:51 AM The closest you could come to determining the amount would be to start with the catalogues, and then go to the reference books for variations, and then get a hold of Maury Romer's catalogue of what was actually made. You would come pretty close to what was actually produced. As far as actual production numbers, good luck. All of those records were burned after the company declared bankruptcy in 1967, per Maury Romer. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski To: s-trains Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of collections All this talk about collections etc. got me thinking. Does anyone know approximately how many steam locomotives; diesels; and rolling stock GILBERT actually made? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54851	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone (was) S-Guagian magazine info

BUT, they will take a CC for merchandise, go figure. I buy mine at NTTM. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 3:12:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@... writes: I contacted S-Guagian and they do not have any "modern" way to subscribe. They only take a check or Money order. They have no way to use a credit card or PayPal **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54852	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: The New ZOT

Hi A E, I hope you proceed with your plans. The pond causes no special humidity problems. I live in South Florida and humidity is part of the deal. We normally have plenty except when we have a lot. Humidity control is built in to the Air Conditioning unit. It is a slim-line model mounted up high in the back. That unit cools the air to a reasonable temperature and in so doing, removes enough humidity to make the interior pleasant. Paper will still crinkle. If I were to set up in my garage, I would have a host of problems because it is not well insulated and is very poorly sealed. Things get rusty in the garage and they do so pretty fast. Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A E Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > Bill, I enjoyed to pictures of your ZOT line. I plan to build a 12'X16' > outbuilding. I had planned to use it strictly for storage. Unless I finished > it off with heavy insulation and ran power for climate control to it I > thought it would be unsatisfactory for modeling. The idea was to build this > building, then claim half of the garage for a train room. I was going to > enclose it, also, but with walls I could take down it I needed to sell this > house. > > > > Do you have humidity problems with the pond behind the building? What kind > of climate and humidity control do you have? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54853	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone (was) S-GAUGIAN magazine info

----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp Unfortunately, Kalmbach does not have any info on stores that sell it. S-Guagian only advertises in Classic Toy Trains. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > I could look into this, but there is no such thing as an S Guagian (pronounced gwah-jhun). Tom Hawley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12580 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54854	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

Use the publisher's name in google and you get the webpage. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info I do not know if there is an e-mail address for it. But have you tried calling the magazine directly? They are a subburb of Chicago.. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:33 PM Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54855	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

The standard Lionel horn button will work. It is designed to be inserted in the wire between the 7-15 volt post and the track. If you want the horn and the bell to work you need two of the buttons.   Maybe someone knows the Lionel part number for this button.   Bill Drake St Louis - home of thunder and lightning - again. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:48 AM Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54856	From: G C	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

________________________________ From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:01:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info Use the publisher's name in google and you get the webpage. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9@yahoo. com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info I do not know if there is an e-mail address for it. But have you tried calling the magazine directly? They are a subburb of Chicago.. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:33 PM Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54857	From: herbw202	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

If you haven't found it, the publisher is Heimburgerhouse.com. Don Heimburger has been publishing S Gaugian since he was a teenager. I think he was a big help in keeping the gauge alive. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Use the publisher's name in google and you get the webpage. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mikenguy9@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info > > > > > > I do not know if there is an e-mail address for it. But have you tried calling the magazine directly? They are a subburb of Chicago.. > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:33 PM > > Friends, > > Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. > > I am also looking for info on back issues availability. > > Thanks for any help, > Nick Kulp > TCA 05-59603 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54858	From: John Metzger	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

MR DON HEIMBURGER PUBLISHES "THE S GAUGIAN"  E-Mail:  info@...     Web Site: www.heimburgerhouse.com       Yearly subscription rate $37.00usd  in USA  $71.00usd  in Canada    $84.00usd airmail elsewhere    Send check or money order to : S GAUGIAN   7236 W. MADISON    FOREST PARK, IL 60130    This info came straight out of  The S Gaugian Magazine and I am an 100% fan of this publication.   DON also owns SCENERY UNLIMITED at same adress which is a large supplier of S Scale and Hi rail items. I have bought many things from Don and have injoyed his magazine for many years.    johnm63379     John F. Metzger,RN  from Troy Missouri 63379 ________________________________ From: "mikenguy9@..." <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:17:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info I do not know if there is an e-mail address for it.  But have you tried calling the magazine directly?  They are a subburb of Chicago.. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:33 PM Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54859	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Donations

----- Original Message ----- From: jfred436@... If you donate land, you can have title revert when no longer needed. > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, as I learned when I joined the local HO model RR club. The club had been given a parcel of land by Ms Gladys Olds Anderson, daughter or grand-daughter of Mr R E Olds, developer of the Oldsmobile. They had moved an old GTW station to that land and built a layout in it. The deed container a reverter clause that said if the property ceased to be used by a non-profit hobby group, title would revert back to Ms Anderson. In other words, she made sure we didn't sell the land for a bar, gas station, or whatever, and take the money and run. But we discovered in the Michigan Statutes a provision that extinguished such reverter clauses after a certain number of years, unless extended by the grantor by some filing process; I don't remember the details. And we weren't obligated to remind her that her reverter clause was expiring . So today the club, should it want to, could sell the land at fair market value and buy another parcel of land and relocate the club. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12580 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54860	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit Bell ????

Thanks Bill,   ==== The standard Lionel horn button will work. It is designed to be inserted in the wire between the 7-15 volt post and the track. If you want the horn and the bell to work you need two of the buttons. =====   Is there a bell on this loco as well?   Thanks, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54861	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: AF-343

Hi All, Theere is currently E-bay listings for a 346 and another listing (more reasonably priced) for a 343. Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54862	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit Bell ????

Nick-   Don't know if there is a bell on this one - I have it but it is packed well away and I can't test. Maybe someone else knows. The NP B unit has a bell and some of the others also so it would not surprise me. From another post it sounds like the buttons are no longer available maybe someone has a spare or ebay might turn one up. Bill Drake Thunder, lightning, hail and soggy in St. Louis --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit Bell ???? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 8:48 PM Thanks Bill,   ==== The standard Lionel horn button will work. It is designed to be inserted in the wire between the 7-15 volt post and the track. If you want the horn and the bell to work you need two of the buttons. =====   Is there a bell on this loco as well?   Thanks, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54863	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF-343

Stay away from the 343 from buyitnow in California. I returned it after buying it & they resold it to another, I contacted him & he returned it. It does not reverse. It is locked in forward...They will not tell you about the running cond. it is stated that it is being sold in E cond on looks only. Mike in Ore PS: I lost about $100 on it & they will take about 3 mo's to refund your $$$ In a message dated 6/10/2009 7:14:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, preardon@... writes: Hi All, Theere is currently E-bay listings for a 346 and another listing (more reasonably priced) for a 343. Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell’s full line of laptops. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222008777x1201444407/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215566094%3B3786435 8%3Bv) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54864	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

Hi Nick,                     I have back issues of the "S" Gaugian.  Let me know what issues you need.  Don Heimburger also sell back issues. He is the Editor of the "S" Gaugian.                                                      Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 1:33 PM Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54865	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF-343 PS:

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54866	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Hi Nick,                      American Models Horn/Whistle control button will work with Lionel sound units.   Gilbert whistle and horn controls will not work with Lionel productions.                                           Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:48 PM Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54867	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: S-Guagian magazine info

Web site for "S" Gaugian is www.heimburgerhouse.com. email for "S" Gaugian is info@...                                    Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, mikenguy9@... <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9@... <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:17 PM I do not know if there is an e-mail address for it. But have you tried calling the magazine directly? They are a subburb of Chicago.. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Guagian magazine info To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:33 PM Friends, Does anyone have an email address for S-Guagian? I am looking for a local shop that might carry it. The closest place I know of near Harrisburg, Pa. is Tommy Gilbert's Hobby Shop in Gettysburg. I looked on their website but I couldn't find anything for that info. I am also looking for info on back issues availability. Thanks for any help, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54868	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Hi Bill,                American Models controller will work with the Lionel Productions.  The Lionel button is going to hard to find.  Jim Lyle already gave it a try and he couldn't find one.                                                        Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 6:15 PM The standard Lionel horn button will work. It is designed to be inserted in the wire between the 7-15 volt post and the track. If you want the horn and the bell to work you need two of the buttons. Maybe someone knows the Lionel part number for this button. Bill Drake St Louis - home of thunder and lightning - again. --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:48 AM Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54869	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Hi Jim,                You may have a hard time finding that part.                                         Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if using two). I will check to see if in stock. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54870	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Value of 375.... Black shell

Hi Bob,                  If it has that date stamp and all the wiring is original, you got a winner.  I had one some time ago.  It had a black shell, no date stamp. All wiring looked original. I showed it to a couple of well known collectors. One said he was sure it was original, but he wouldn't buy it without the date date. sounds like you got a winner.  Northern locomotives never had plastic tenders.  A 21130 Hudson had a plastic tender.  Two prong receptacles were mounted in the plastic tenders. The receptacles for the Northerns were mounted in plastic and inserted in the metal tender front.  A 21140 Northern had the same aluminum drive wheels as the 21130.  A XA14A513 2 Prong male plug should come from the locomotive into the tender.  If you have one with a 4 prong plug somebody may have played with it.  American Flyer steam locos had a XA10663 4 Prong plug from 1948 to 1953.  Steam Locos were direct wired from 1954 to 1957.  From 1958 to 1966 Steam Locos were made with the XA14A513 2 Prong plug with the exception of the 21160 Atlantic, the Casey Jones and the 21088 Franklin and the 21089 Washington which for some reason were all direct wired. 21145 is a nice piece boxed. I would estimate that at about $1200.                                                           Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:35 AM Tom.... The date is on the shell.... All stuff appears original... Like I said this piece was well examined at the Flyer Nut Meet at York.... Including removing the shell.... This was about 2 years ago.... I am sure its genuine....I also had some other WIERD pieces at another meet from the same lot.... A 21140 with plug into engine and die cast tender... and a 21130 with some different things.... and a 21145 same.... all with boxes... 1 box has an address on Gilbert where they made munitions or something... they had used cut up cardboard for liners in the boxes...and different tender wheels... The consensus was that the 21140 was possibly a very early factory job due to the die cast tender and the wiring like a 326..... Bob --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:26 AM Hi Bob, It must have the date stamp on the shell. The 375 GM also has a speaker for sound. If any wires are soldered again and the solder appears to be new it could be a fake. This had been done in the past. It would cost you a few bucks to make one. 375 number boards from a T&P along with the speaker systems, plus a good 370 shell. Real rare original to find. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:20 PM On the 375 Geep.... I have only seen a couple in the years I have been collecting. All of them were Silver because of a light colored shell. Mine however is Greyish Silver because it is on a Black Shell. I wonder how this affects the value? Anybody seen one on a Black Shell? This 375 does have all the correct items under the hood including the purple may 53 date, although light, it is there... Condition is Good to Very good. I am not concerned about the genuineness of the item as it has been well examined at York at the Nut Meet.. Comments as to how odd shells affect the values of items..... Yes it might be for sale later.. Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54871	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: 21140/21130 comments

You are correct. Northerns never had plastic tenders.                                             Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@...> wrote: From: The LANIERs <hblanier@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:21140/21130 comments To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:03 PM Interesting comments regarding the 21140 & 21130. My 21140 has a diecast tender with plastic insert # PA14B972, which receives the two prong plug on the wires from the engine. I have heard of the plastic tenders, but have never seen one. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell Tom.... The date is on the shell.... All stuff appears original... Like I said this piece was well examined at the Flyer Nut Meet at York.... Including removing the shell.... This was about 2 years ago.... I am sure its genuine....I also had some other WIERD pieces at another meet from the same lot.... A 21140 with plug into engine and die cast tender... and a 21130 with some different things.... and a 21145 same.... all with boxes... 1 box has an address on Gilbert where they made munitions or something... they had used cut up cardboard for liners in the boxes...and different tender wheels... The consensus was that the 21140 was possibly a very early factory job due to the die cast tender and the wiring like a 326..... Bob --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:26 AM Hi Bob, It must have the date stamp on the shell. The 375 GM also has a speaker for sound. If any wires are soldered again and the solder appears to be new it could be a fake. This had been done in the past. It would cost you a few bucks to make one. 375 number boards from a T&P along with the speaker systems, plus a good 370 shell. Real rare original to find. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Value of 375.... Black shell To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:20 PM On the 375 Geep.... I have only seen a couple in the years I have been collecting. All of them were Silver because of a light colored shell. Mine however is Greyish Silver because it is on a Black Shell. I wonder how this affects the value? Anybody seen one on a Black Shell? This 375 does have all the correct items under the hood including the purple may 53 date, although light, it is there... Condition is Good to Very good. I am not concerned about the genuineness of the item as it has been well examined at York at the Nut Meet.. Comments as to how odd shells affect the values of items..... Yes it might be for sale later.. Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54872	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Tom, Out of production, out of stock at the distributor, NO replacement, got to be some around. I hope I still have two, the NP "B" was interesting behind a Franklin, sound and all. Jim In a message dated 6/11/2009 5:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Jim, You may have a hard time finding that part. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if using two). I will check to see if in stock. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54873	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Port Lines new reefers

Silver Springs Brewery reefers are in, and we will be shipping all orders next week, after we return home. We're closed and away all this week. All MOXIE reefer orders were shipped before we left. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: YardMasterModels Sent: Wed 6/10/2009 4:15 PM To: Doug Peck Subject: new cars Hello Doug, Did the last shipment from S Helper include your new reefer cars? Are they going to be shipped or are they on the next order? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54874	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Bigboy American flyer question

The production quantity was locked-in almost a year ago. It cannot be increased without delaying the entire production run until a later date. And since the entire run has been pre-ordered by dealers, Lionel cannot "accept additional orders". Simple as that. That's one of the big differences between manufacturing your own product in your own factory, and having it made by a third party. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A E Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > It seems to me Lionel has rescheduled this a couple of times. By not > accepting additional orders, is Lionel telling us something? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54875	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: 343 UNDER $250

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54876	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Port Lines new reefers

Thanks Doug!? Are the Moxy reefers new numbers/ or part of the original run?? If they are new numbers please add them to our order. Thanks, Dave Bellian. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 8:19 am Subject: [S-Trains] Port Lines new reefers Silver Springs Brewery reefers are in, and we will be shipping all orders next week, after we return home. We're closed and away all this week. All MOXIE reefer orders were shipped before we left. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: YardMasterModels Sent: Wed 6/10/2009 4:15 PM To: Doug Peck Subject: new cars Hello Doug, Did the last shipment from S Helper include your new reefer cars? Are they going to be shipped or are they on the next order? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54877	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: adding on more items to an existing production

Dear Doug, Even if you have stuff made in your own factory, ordering extra after the initial production has been started may not be as easy as you think. There are MOQs (minimum order quantity) and lead times on parts. And, if one part cannot be sourced by the time the assembly line starts cranking them out, the extras will be more costly than the originals. If delivery is anticipated in September, then we can assume the items would be shipped sometime in August. That is only two months from now. When we order stuff, it takes a minimum of 6 months for the purchase order to turn into product on our warehouse floor. Best, Don On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > That's one of the big differences between manufacturing your own > product in your own factory, and having it made by a third party. > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 1 > New Links > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54878	From: ecphora123	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Purchasing S Gaugian in PA

Tried to send this out yesterday, but my message got stripped. Tommy Gilbert in Gettysburg no longer sells S Gaugian. That store is "not very S friendly". Nick, I saw where you had mentioned Tommy G's In Hanover,PA, Ron Borsella's Toy trains Unlimited sells it along with a good assortment of S trains including older Flyer. He is located on York Street. Ron recently moved down the street to a larger store and am told he has more for sale than before. I haven't visited him since he moved. Also, Mainline Hobby in Blue Ridge Summit, PA has S gaugian as well. This is a wonderful train shop to visit. Not a great selection of S here, but you can get many other items for layout construction as well as scratch-building supplies. They are also quite friendly to talk with. Each year in September they sponsor an open house deal where many model railroads are open to the public. You must however visit the shop on those days (Saturday and Sunday)to sign up and obtain an ID badge. there are a couple of wonderful clubs in the area as well (they are usually on the tour). Hope this helps for anyone who lives in or visits the vicinity. Gene Cimino Hanover, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54879	From: A E Johnson	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: adding on more items to an existing production

Doug, I have spent 40 years in Manufacturing. Maybe I can add something to help you understand the dilemma. Image the engine or car that you want. Imagine it exploded into all of the components. Now imagine the number of operations it takes to complete these components. Each of these components requires raw materials. Somewhere is the process of manufacturing there is a limit, a threshold that you can not go beyond without seriously increasing costs. A run of box cars may be set at 200, say. That is 50 pounds of materials for the car bodies and 8 hours on the molding machine. The manufacturer may have used up his 50 pounds that he had planned for the 200 car bodies. In order to increase the order from 200 to 250, he needs another 12 pound of materials that he doesn't have. If he orders the next 50 pound bag, then he has 38 pounds he has to place on the shelf. Usually this get dirty or otherwise deteriorates, or spills. The manufacturer may have that molding machine scheduled 8 hours for your order. The added 50 will cause him to need 10 hours. That's eight hours one day and two more hours the next. Many manufacturers have tool setters that work the off shift. The added fifty will cause the manufacturer to lose six hours on his molding machine. The tools will be in the machine an added day. He may have promised the capacity from it to another customer. That will set the second customer back by a day. That 200 becomes the most economical quantity that can be ordered, and it becomes the threshold beyond which costs increase. The 200 bodies, 8 hours and 50 pound are not exact figures. This will vary depending on tooling and product design. But it is a hypothetical that I think most of us can understand. There are emergencies, of course. But an added 50 is not an emergency. The customer must gather together a second order of 200. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: adding on more items to an existing production Dear Doug, Even if you have stuff made in your own factory, ordering extra after the initial production has been started may not be as easy as you think. There are MOQs (minimum order quantity) and lead times on parts. And, if one part cannot be sourced by the time the assembly line starts cranking them out, the extras will be more costly than the originals. If delivery is anticipated in September, then we can assume the items would be shipped sometime in August. That is only two months from now. When we order stuff, it takes a minimum of 6 months for the purchase order to turn into product on our warehouse floor. Best, Don On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > That's one of the big differences between manufacturing your own > product in your own factory, and having it made by a third party. > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 1 > New Links > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54880	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

And will Lionel button work with American Models northerner? Does anyone have an American Models Horn/Whistle button (apart from their transformer) for sale? Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation Hi Nick,                      American Models Horn/Whistle control button will work with Lionel sound units.   Gilbert whistle and horn controls will not work with Lionel productions.                                           Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:48 PM Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.63/2169 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54881	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Purchasing S Gaugian in PA

Thanks Gene,   ===== Also, Mainline Hobby in Blue Ridge Summit, PA has S gaugian as well. This is a wonderful train shop to visit. Not a great selection of S here, but you can get many other items for layout construction as well as scratch-building supplies. They are also quite friendly to talk with. Each year in September they sponsor an open house deal where many model railroads are open to the public. Gene Cimino Hanover, PA =====   I have been going to Mainline Hobby Supply for many years. I know Brian and Bonnie very well. I had mistakenly said Tommy G's was where I picked up my S Guagian magazine but it was at Mainline. I was surprised to even see American Flyer there. I never wandered into the "toy train" aisles when I was shopping for HO scale equipment.   They are a great store and they are the only place I actually go to. Unfortunately, the 170 mile round-trip gets pretty expensive but I do usually make their open houses and layout tours.   Good place to go and great mail-order service. I'll be their customer as long as they are in business.   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54882	From: Rhett George	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

- GreetingS - Mea culpa, I just have not seen the horn and bell circuits of Lionel locos recently. Is it a good presumption that the function remains the same as the whistle operation of the 1940's, '50's, and '60's. That is, the adding of a bit of DC voltage to the AC waveform from the transformer. A circuit to do this is fairly simple if one invests in a sturdy dry cell or two plus a DPDT switch of the momON-OFF-momON design. Any interest in this circuit? CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54883	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Hi Dave,                      The Lionel button would most likely work for American Models Northern, but either the whistle or the bell will sound.  I believe the American Models steam locomotives have both sounds. If you have an American Models Northern, you should be using their control box.  You can get the control from American Models direct or from Port Lines or Bill Parr who handle American Model products.                                                            Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Dave Highfield <davidh@...> wrote: From: Dave Highfield <davidh@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 10:59 AM And will Lionel button work with American Models northerner? Does anyone have an American Models Horn/Whistle button (apart from their transformer) for sale? Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation Hi Nick, American Models Horn/Whistle control button will work with Lionel sound units. Gilbert whistle and horn controls will not work with Lionel productions. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:48 PM Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.63/2169 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54884	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Go to the message archives and read message 50254. Chuck Smith said he has a diagram for building the diode circuit for activating the bell and whistle. I'm pretty sure I have his diagram somewhere in my files but I would suggest you contact him for it. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: > > > - GreetingS - > > Mea culpa, I just have not seen the horn and bell circuits of Lionel locos > recently. Is it a good presumption that the function remains the same as > the whistle operation of the 1940's, '50's, and '60's. That is, the adding > of a bit of DC voltage to the AC waveform from the transformer. A circuit > to do this is fairly simple if one invests in a sturdy dry cell or two plus > a DPDT switch of the momON-OFF-momON design. > > Any interest in this circuit? > > CheerS, > > Rhett >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54885	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: Hi Jim,                    When I had my train store, I had a few.  That was about 10 years ago.  Since Lionel developed all their new technology, their going to sell you their whistle & horn controls.  American Models has a two button control, which you can wire up to American Flyer transformers. These used to sell for about $50, but these will work.   Lionel, MTH & American Models use basically the same sound systems.   These are all printed circuit boards. Gilbert sound system used items similar to old radios.                                             Tom Seccia From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:51 AM Tom, Out of production, out of stock at the distributor, NO replacement, got to be some around. I hope I still have two, the NP "B" was interesting behind a Franklin, sound and all. Jim In a message dated 6/11/2009 5:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: Hi Jim, You may have a hard time finding that part. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if using two). I will check to see if in stock. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54886	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

If I remember the past dicussions on this topic correctly, you can wire two Lionel buttons in series. One will sound the horn and the other will sound the whistle. Again I recommend getting the diode circuit plan and building your own two button controller. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: > Hi Jim, >                    When I had my train store, I had a few.  That was about 10 years ago.  Since Lionel developed all their new technology, their going to sell you their whistle & horn controls.  American Models has a two button control, which you can wire up to American Flyer transformers. These used to sell for about $50, but these will work.   Lionel, MTH & American Models use basically the same sound systems.   These are all printed circuit boards. Gilbert sound system used items similar to old radios. >                                             Tom Seccia > > From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > Out of production, out of stock at the distributor, NO replacement, got to > > be some around. I hope I still have two, the NP "B" was interesting > > behind a Franklin, sound and all. > > Jim > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 5:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: > > > > Hi Jim, > > You may have a hard time finding that part. > > Tom Seccia > > > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: > > > > From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM > > > > LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if > > > > using two). I will check to see if in stock. > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: > > > > Friends, > > > > My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets > > was > > > > the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B > > > > unit with a horn. > > > > Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions > > for > > > > using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel > > > > transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I > > make it > > > > works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out > > > > there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel > > > > transformer? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Nick Kulp > > > > TCA 05-59603 > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at > > your > > > > fingertips. > > > > (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= > > emlcntusdown0000 0004) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your > > fingertips. > > (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54887	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: MOXIE cars

Two new numbers, as described on our homepage. But I cannot add them to your order. They are Bristol Club cars....not mine....so you have to mail payment for those. All the info is on our homepage, right near the top, and it is OK for you to go ahead and mail payment.....we have them in hand. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com on behalf of YardMasterModels@... Sent: Thu 6/11/2009 10:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Port Lines new reefers Thanks Doug!? Are the Moxy reefers new numbers/ or part of the original run?? If they are new numbers please add them to our order. Recent Activity * 1 New Links <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTMwN3YxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTI0NDczMDU5Ng--> Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2Q0aGIyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNDQ3MzA1OTY-> Give Back Yahoo! for Good <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJrbHZyaWR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTI0NDczMDU5Ng--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood> Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJtcGpnOWEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMjQ0NzMwNTk2;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=ygrps> easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group <http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJtazA0aTU3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMjQ0NzMwNTk2> in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54888	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: HOT running engine

Hello Gang: I was running my 350 Royal Blue the other night...it sort of squeals and slows/jerks/stutters at the same time...then picks up...every few feet...until it is warmed up. Then, after about ten minutes or so of regular operation, it is HOT. The e-unit lever was literally hot and uncomfortable to the touch. I serviced this engine when I bought it (a junker in a box of worse junk). It cleaned up nicely, and the motor is all there, all clean, etc. I was initially thinking armature bushings, but the loose "play" is not really too bad. Any ideas on what to check? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54889	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 . . . . . . . . . . I recommend getting the diode circuit plan and building your own two button controller. > > > > > > > > > > > Circuit plans that work for AM & probably your needs too is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Sound%20for%20AC%20trains/ If that doesn't work, go to this group's Files > Sound for AC trains Tom Hawley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12590 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54890	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 6/11/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

I have been following this discussion because of a similar situation I had when i bought my first "modern" loco - the Flyonel grey UP Northern. Of course, it has the electronics with a whistle. I was using an AF 18B transformer. I obtained the Lionel Sound Activation Button #6-5906 and hooked it up in the track line as per the Lionel dealer's instructions. I must tell you it NEVER worked satisfactorily. Probably a bad button, right? So I bought another button. Still didn't work correctly. Tried it with my 12B transformer. No luck. Tried the loco with my son's Lionel CW-80 transformer that has a whistle and bell button, but is otherwise nothing to brag about. The loco and sound worked perfectly. I've left that transformer on that loop and that's the only thing it runs - just the track power to that loop. The Lionel guys tell me that neither the 18B nor 12B had the power to operate tbe button properly. I find that hard to believe, but that's what they said. I finally found the button in a junk box. Here are the instructions pasted on the back: "This switch is designed for use with common ground wiring. It is not to be used with a Lionel #6-4690 Type MW transformer. For proper installation, refer to Railsounds instruction manual available from your dealer or Lionel Trains, Inc., P.O. Box 748, Mt. Clemens, MI 48046." (If I remember right, I found that Railsounds info online at the Lionel site, but it didn't help.) Jim E. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > If I remember the past dicussions on this topic correctly, you can wire two Lionel buttons in series. One will sound the horn and the other will sound the whistle. Again I recommend getting the diode circuit plan and building your own two button controller. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > >                    When I had my train store, I had a few.  That was about 10 years ago.  Since Lionel developed all their new technology, their going to sell you their whistle & horn controls.  American Models has a two button control, which you can wire up to American Flyer transformers. These used to sell for about $50, but these will work.   Lionel, MTH & American Models use basically the same sound systems.   These are all printed circuit boards. Gilbert sound system used items similar to old radios. > >                                             Tom Seccia > > > > From: WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > Out of production, out of stock at the distributor, NO replacement, got to > > > > be some around. I hope I still have two, the NP "B" was interesting > > > > behind a Franklin, sound and all. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 5:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > You may have a hard time finding that part. > > > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM > > > > > > > > LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if > > > > > > > > using two). I will check to see if in stock. > > > > > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > > > > cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets > > > > was > > > > > > > > the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B > > > > > > > > unit with a horn. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions > > > > for > > > > > > > > using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel > > > > > > > > transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I > > > > make it > > > > > > > > works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out > > > > > > > > there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel > > > > > > > > transformer? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > > > Nick Kulp > > > > > > > > TCA 05-59603 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > > > > > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54891	From: John	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: HOT running engine

Hi Ben I have a Royal Blue also and had similar problems. What I have found is the contacts on the e-unit drum were dirty and the resistance of the finger to drum was about 2 ohms. It should be zero. This was enough to generate some heat and cause eratic operation. I have a very fine fiberglass brush I use to burnish the contacts on the drum. You could also use a small piece of paper. You may not think paper as abrasive but out mailing machines at work can really show the wear paper can do on metal, to the point it looks polished. On the other hand the coil could be shorting out causing a higher amprage flowing through it causing the heating problem. I'm sure there will be suggestions from others. John --- lbstiles@... wrote: From: "bstilesaf" <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] HOT running engine Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:08:05 -0000 Hello Gang: I was running my 350 Royal Blue the other night...it sort of squeals and slows/jerks/stutters at the same time...then picks up...every few feet...until it is warmed up. Then, after about ten minutes or so of regular operation, it is HOT. The e-unit lever was literally hot and uncomfortable to the touch. I serviced this engine when I bought it (a junker in a box of worse junk). It cleaned up nicely, and the motor is all there, all clean, etc. I was initially thinking armature bushings, but the loose "play" is not really too bad. Any ideas on what to check? Thanks! Ben ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54892	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

I'm thinking that if you had turned your loco around and ran it the other direction the button might have worked. I used first one then another back to back with a Flyer 30B and they worked perfectly. Lionel was blowing you smoke that your units didn't have enough poop. 18B has tons of power to operate that little button. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 06/11/2009 9:08:48 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: I have been following this discussion because of a similar situation I had when i bought my first "modern" loco - the Flyonel grey UP Northern. Of course, it has the electronics with a whistle. I was using an AF 18B transformer. I obtained the Lionel Sound Activation Button #6-5906 and hooked it up in the track line as per the Lionel dealer's instructions. I must tell you it NEVER worked satisfactorily. Probably a bad button, right? So I bought another button. Still didn't work correctly. Tried it with my 12B transformer. No luck. Tried the loco with my son's Lionel CW-80 transformer that has a whistle and bell button, but is otherwise nothing to brag about. The loco and sound worked perfectly. I've left that transformer on that loop and that's the only thing it runs - just the track power to that loop. The Lionel guys tell me that neither the 18B nor 12B had the power to operate tbe button properly. I find that hard to believe, but that's what they said. I finally found the button in a junk box. Here are the instructions pasted on the back: "This switch is designed for use with common ground wiring. It is not to be used with a Lionel #6-4690 Type MW transformer. For proper installation, refer to Railsounds instruction manual available from your dealer or Lionel Trains, Inc., P.O. Box 748, Mt. Clemens, MI 48046." (If I remember right, I found that Railsounds info online at the Lionel site, but it didn't help.) Jim E. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Bull_Gator_, <bull_gator_bull_> wrote: > > If I remember the past dicussions on this topic correctly, you can wire two Lionel buttons in series. One will sound the horn and the other will sound the whistle. Again I recommend getting the diode circuit plan and building your own two button controller. > > BG1 > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > When I had my train store, I had a few. That was about 10 years ago. Since Lionel developed all their new technology, their going to sell you their whistle & horn controls. American Models has a two button control, which you can wire up to American Flyer transformers. These used to sell for about $50, but these will work. Lionel, MTH & American Models use basically the same sound systems. These are all printed circuit boards. Gilbert sound system used items similar to old radios. > > Tom Seccia > > > > From: WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > > To: _s-trains@yahoogroups-tra_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) > > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > Out of production, out of stock at the distributor, NO replacement, got to > > > > be some around. I hope I still have two, the NP "B" was interesting > > > > behind a Franklin, sound and all. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 5:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > You may have a hard time finding that part. > > > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM > > > > > > > > LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if > > > > > > > > using two). I will check to see if in stock. > > > > > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > > > > cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets > > > > was > > > > > > > > the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B > > > > > > > > unit with a horn. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions > > > > for > > > > > > > > using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel > > > > > > > > transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I > > > > make it > > > > > > > > works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out > > > > > > > > there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel > > > > > > > > transformer? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > > > Nick Kulp > > > > > > > > TCA 05-59603 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > > > > > at _http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale./) org/albumsYahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54893	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy question

The question was asked: "Is Lionel trying to tell us something?" Yes! They're telling you to pre-order when the item is announced! Production runs are often judged by pre-orders (a problem for many years in HO, where items are announced but never made as pre-orders don't warrant it.) As noted by others here, production runs are limited with good reason, especially these days, and even then dealer allotments are sometimes shorted. "Will there be a second run of Big Boys in the future?" That depends on how many people didn't get one from the original run, or find they want another one. My guess is that IF there is a second run of Flyonel Big Boys, they will be painted differently in an effort by Lionel to "hedge their bet" on doing another run. On the prototype, the Big Boy was seen mostly all black, and many had graphite smokeboxes, but I don't think they ran in grey. The grey paint job was for passenger service, in which the Northern and the Challenger were regularly run, but not the Big Boy. However, painted correctly or not, the Big Boy is a star by any estimation. Those who waited to order will be at the mercy of speculators, who even now are circling the Big Boy like a pack of hungry sharks! If you didn't pre-order one, get ready to open your wallet wide! Stumpy Stone...ready with shark repellant in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54894	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

I did try the reverse-the-direction trick to no avail, and I agree that the 18B should have plenty of oomph to run one engine and one button. I'm glad you got your button to work, though. Hope springs eternal! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:32:47 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation I'm thinking that if you had turned your loco around and ran it the other direction the button might have worked. I used first one then another back to back with a Flyer 30B and they worked perfectly. Lionel was blowing you smoke that your units didn't have enough poop. 18B has tons of power to operate that little button. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 06/11/2009 9:08:48 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: I have been following this discussion because of a similar situation I had when i bought my first "modern" loco - the Flyonel grey UP Northern. Of course, it has the electronics with a whistle. I was using an AF 18B transformer. I obtained the Lionel Sound Activation Button #6-5906 and hooked it up in the track line as per the Lionel dealer's instructions. I must tell you it NEVER worked satisfactorily. Probably a bad button, right? So I bought another button. Still didn't work correctly. Tried it with my 12B transformer. No luck. Tried the loco with my son's Lionel CW-80 transformer that has a whistle and bell button, but is otherwise nothing to brag about. The loco and sound worked perfectly. I've left that transformer on that loop and that's the only thing it runs - just the track power to that loop. The Lionel guys tell me that neither the 18B nor 12B had the power to operate tbe button properly. I find that hard to believe, but that's what they said. I finally found the button in a junk box. Here are the instructions pasted on the back: "This switch is designed for use with common ground wiring. It is not to be used with a Lionel #6-4690 Type MW transformer. For proper installation, refer to Railsounds instruction manual available from your dealer or Lionel Trains, Inc., P.O. Box 748, Mt. Clemens, MI 48046." (If I remember right, I found that Railsounds info online at the Lionel site, but it didn't help.) Jim E. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ) , "Bull_Gator_, <bull_gator_bull_> wrote: > > If I remember the past dicussions on this topic correctly, you can wire two Lionel buttons in series. One will sound the horn and the other will sound the whistle. Again I recommend getting the diode circuit plan and building your own two button controller. > > BG1 > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ) , Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > When I had my train store, I had a few. That was about 10 years ago. Since Lionel developed all their new technology, their going to sell you their whistle & horn controls. American Models has a two button control, which you can wire up to American Flyer transformers. These used to sell for about $50, but these will work. Lionel, MTH & American Models use basically the same sound systems. These are all printed circuit boards. Gilbert sound system used items similar to old radios. > > Tom Seccia > > > > From: WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > > To: _s-trains@yahoogroups-tra_ (mailto: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ) > > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > Out of production, out of stock at the distributor, NO replacement, got to > > > > be some around. I hope I still have two, the NP "B" was interesting > > > > behind a Franklin, sound and all. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 5:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > You may have a hard time finding that part. > > > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: WJJIM@ <WJJIM@> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM > > > > > > > > LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if > > > > > > > > using two). I will check to see if in stock. > > > > > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > > > > cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets > > > > was > > > > > > > > the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B > > > > > > > > unit with a horn. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions > > > > for > > > > > > > > using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel > > > > > > > > transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I > > > > make it > > > > > > > > works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out > > > > > > > > there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel > > > > > > > > transformer? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > > > Nick Kulp > > > > > > > > TCA 05-59603 > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > > > > > at _ http://S-Scale._ ( http://s-scale./ ) org/albumsYahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54895	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Is there life after Big Boy?

Okay, the Flyonel Big Boy is a success...and maybe they make second run in a different paint job. But what's next? With minimum changes to the cosmetic parts and a new but similar chassis, they could make a Union Pacific 4-6-6-4 Challenger! This engine ran not just in freight and helper service as the Big Boy did, but also was regularly assigned to passenger trains and several were painted (briefly) in the grey paint scheme. A Challenger runs today on the UP, the 3985, and it has been both black with graphite smokebox and passenger grey too. Besides Union Pacific, other roads which used 4-6-6-4's were Delaware & Hudson, Western Maryland, Seaboard, and Virginian as I recall, so the variations could go on for many runs. However, few roads used the same style tenders as Union Pacific. An engine Flyonel could do with their Northern is the New York Central Niagra. By using a differnt smokebox front and a Hudson tender they could do a fair representation of this famous locomnotive, which was also seen in black and grey paint jobs. (This is a project awaiting done with my old Northern.) While Big Boys were built for only UP, many roads used 4-8-4's built by Alco, so there are more variations to produce. And in some cases, the Alco and Lima boilers were quite similar, so there are even more 4-8-4's which could be done based on the old American Flyer engine, such as the Daylights. And what about using the same loco to build 4-8-2 Mountains or 2-8-4 Berkshires? Stumpy Stone...steam loco maniac...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54896	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: HOT running engine

You might have a loose or broken wire that will cause an arc  That will build up heat and make the unit hot. You may want to check your drive wheels and see if one or two has separated.  If it stops and starts, the problem may be a broken wire or a connection that is loose or a jammed side rod due to a separated drive wheel.                                                             Tom Seccia                                                             --- On Thu, 6/11/09, bstilesaf <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: bstilesaf <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] HOT running engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 10:08 PM Hello Gang: I was running my 350 Royal Blue the other night...it sort of squeals and slows/jerks/ stutters at the same time...then picks up...every few feet...until it is warmed up. Then, after about ten minutes or so of regular operation, it is HOT. The e-unit lever was literally hot and uncomfortable to the touch. I serviced this engine when I bought it (a junker in a box of worse junk). It cleaned up nicely, and the motor is all there, all clean, etc. I was initially thinking armature bushings, but the loose "play" is not really too bad. Any ideas on what to check? Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54897	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

I operate lots of modern sound locos as well as sound cars coupled behind a loco. American Models and Lionel both work by using a DC pulse. The Lionel Railsounds buttons operate the American Models horn/whistle or bell. To operate both you need 2 of these buttons hooked up nose to nose in the transformer lead to one side of the track. When using on S 2 rail track the function of the buttons reverses when the locomotive is turned end for end. The Lionel railsounds equipment works the same on any AC transformer. On my layout I run an MRC dual 027 with walk around controls and the buttons on the controller operate the horn and bell subject to the loco pointing direction above. If you hook up an old Lionel transformer with a whistle control to an S train the whistle button will operate the horn/whistle or bell. Our club built a sound controller that works with every equipped S engine we've tried. If you want a diagram of the controller please email me for a copy. I can't post it here because yahoo strips off image files. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54898	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: MOXIE cars

Hello Doug, Check is enroute you should have it by Monday,? Please include these two Moxie cars with your two special runs, Thanks, Dave B. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 4:14 pm Subject: RE: [S-Trains] MOXIE cars Two new numbers, as described on our homepage. But I cannot add them to your order. They are Bristol Club cars....not mine....so you have to mail payment for those. All the info is on our homepage, right near the top, and it is OK for you to go ahead and mail payment.....we have them in hand. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com on behalf of YardMasterModels@... Sent: Thu 6/11/2009 10:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Port Lines new reefers Thanks Doug!? Are the Moxy reefers new numbers/ or part of the original run?? If they are new numbers please add them to our order. Recent Activity * 1 New Links <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTMwN3YxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTI0NDczMDU5Ng--> Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2Q0aGIyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNDQ3MzA1OTY-> Give Back Yahoo! for Good <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJrbHZyaWR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTI0NDczMDU5Ng--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood> Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJtcGpnOWEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMjQ0NzMwNTk2;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=ygrps> easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group <http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJtazA0aTU3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMjYyODMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2NTMzODE4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMjQ0NzMwNTk2> in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54899	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: I am upset!

Tuesday, I placed two internet orders, one for a tavern and lobster traps from Bar Mills and one for Linda, underwear that she can no longer get in the store. Don't worry they are the dull type and she will probably kill me for writing about this. That is probably why they are no longer in the stores, too dull. UPS came today and it was not the order from Bar Mills. LOL I am sure you can guess what came today. I hope this gave you a chuckle. Oh she will laugh. At least she will be happy with the order that came today. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54900	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2009
Subject: Re: I am upset!

Mike, BEST laugh I've had in a long time, we've ALL been there I'll betcha. If Linda does get you, it's been interesting. Jim "laughing on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle In a message dated 6/12/2009 7:41:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Tuesday, I placed two internet orders, one for a tavern and lobster traps from Bar Mills and one for Linda, underwear that she can no longer get in the store. Don't worry they are the dull type and she will probably kill me for writing about this. That is probably why they are no longer in the stores, too dull. UPS came today and it was not the order from Bar Mills. LOL I am sure you can guess what came today. I hope this gave you a chuckle. Oh she will laugh. At least she will be happy with the order that came today. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54901	From: ehsauers1	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: FM H10-44 Update 6/13/09 **** A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT NEEDED ***

Group, Our numbers are really close but we need at least 4 more commitments from the S community (scale and HI-Rail combined). We need your support to make these numbers, otherwise the project might not get off the ground. You all know the qulity of Jim's kit and more importantly that his kits are limited in mumbers so you might miss out if you snooze on this one. Please email me at edsauers@gmail <mailto:edsauers@...> .com if you want to be added to the list of interested modelers or to up the numbers on your existing request. Thanks Ed Sauers -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ehsauers1" <ehsauers1@...> wrote: > > Group, > > The numbers are looking good BUT we still need a few last commitments to > guarantee getting the FMH10-44 into production. The kit is now offered > in both Scale and HI-RAIL version. Please help support this project !!!! > You can visit the SMMW site at http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/ > and select the GE 70 ton > diesel that was just released, look at the detail in the pictures and > read the description of what is included in Jim's kits. > > Please contact me at edsauers@ > </group/S-Scale/post?postID=e8S8o9KE88UvH1lRkRNNtV8CxwCxwgbyXZEUeBs3eAOW\ \ > 4lth31OhZ6ktLmfC0xXOHiWDYn4Ea-dPHJoa_w> <mailto:edsauers@ > </group/S-Scale/post?postID=e8S8o9KE88UvH1lRkRNNtV8CxwCxwgbyXZEUeBs3eAOW\ \ > 4lth31OhZ6ktLmfC0xXOHiWDYn4Ea-dPHJoa_w> > if > you would like to be added to the list of interested modelers > > Thanks > > Ed Sauers > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54902	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: I am upset!

Jim, She was fine with it. And I am glad you and others got a laugh. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I am upset! Mike, BEST laugh I've had in a long time, we've ALL been there I'll betcha. If Linda does get you, it's been interesting. Jim "laughing on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle In a message dated 6/12/2009 7:41:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Tuesday, I placed two internet orders, one for a tavern and lobster traps from Bar Mills and one for Linda, underwear that she can no longer get in the store. Don't worry they are the dull type and she will probably kill me for writing about this. That is probably why they are no longer in the stores, too dull. UPS came today and it was not the order from Bar Mills. LOL I am sure you can guess what came today. I hope this gave you a chuckle. Oh she will laugh. At least she will be happy with the order that came today. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54903	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/14/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54904	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Under Construction

Just completed the frame work for my 6x9 layout. The top is constructed from 2"strofoam. Because of space constraints I need some ideas of how to mount the push bottons and thro switches and transformer. I was thinking of a small table on casters that can be rolled under the tableor a vertical panel attached to the front of table. This might be difficult to operate. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54905	From: ron plyler	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: AF Big Boy

Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54906	From: michael prell	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: I am upset!

Michael, You are a very lucky fellow! But beware! Sure, they SAY that they're not upset. They SAY that they're "fine with it". It's been my experience that this usually proves NOT to be the case. Time is ALWAYS on their side. So, BEWARE!  If you wake up some morning and find the tavern doors closed, you'll know!  {:>} Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I am upset! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 10:46 PM Jim, She was fine with it. And I am glad you and others got a laugh. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I am upset! Mike, BEST laugh I've had in a long time, we've ALL been there I'll betcha. If Linda does get you, it's been interesting. Jim "laughing on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle In a message dated 6/12/2009 7:41:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: Tuesday, I placed two internet orders, one for a tavern and lobster traps from Bar Mills and one for Linda, underwear that she can no longer get in the store. Don't worry they are the dull type and she will probably kill me for writing about this. That is probably why they are no longer in the stores, too dull. UPS came today and it was not the order from Bar Mills. LOL I am sure you can guess what came today. I hope this gave you a chuckle. Oh she will laugh. At least she will be happy with the order that came today. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54907	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: Wife and trains

CHRIS.... SOMETIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS I WILL BE IN DAYTON.... PROB A SAT NIGHT.... WANNA HAVE DINNER? GOING TO THE AF MUSEUM... BOB CONNER --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Christopher Burger <burger_christopher@...> wrote: From: Christopher Burger <burger_christopher@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Wife and trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:21 AM Another wife story! I too was fortunate for 13 years to have had a wife who loved the trains and got involved. She did the train shows with me and became so knowledgable that the guys wouldn't talk to me, they would ask her questions! She knew as much if not more than a lot of the guys who were in the club I belonged to back then. Although she left me 3 years ago I still have very fond memories of our time together and the friends that we made while doing the hobby together.  She told me I had to quit playing with the trains so much or she was leaving! God I miss her! At least after 3 years of working to get over it I still have the trains. Have started to put a layout up in my kitchen. Maybe if I can get motivated enough I will become more involed in this crazy hobby again. Happy New Year everyone. Depressed in Old North Dayton where all the jobs have dissappeared along with my ex, Christopher [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54908	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy

I was just call by my hobby shop,and told that my order was pushed out on my AF big boy. This time I was told that they will ship in August, and I was # 11 out of 12 that was ordered for that area.   Do any of you know what the total number of big boys that Lionel is making in "S" is?  Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 6/13/09, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 5:00 PM Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54909	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel B-Unit horn operation

Will that # 6-5909 work for the Lionel 4-8-4 that they have been putting out for the last few years? I have one of the # 6-5909 for the NH 8008 that I picked up new years back.  Clayton   Milwaukie OR --- On Thu, 6/11/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 4:51 AM Tom, Out of production, out of stock at the distributor, NO replacement, got to be some around. I hope I still have two, the NP "B" was interesting behind a Franklin, sound and all. Jim In a message dated 6/11/2009 5:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: Hi Jim, You may have a hard time finding that part. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/10/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel B-Unit horn operation To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 2:13 PM LIONEL part # 6-5906 should do it, will work horn or bell (or both, if using two). I will check to see if in stock. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/10/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cornwall9@yahoo. com writes: Friends, My daughter inherited a collection from her Godfather. One of the sets was the 1981 SP Daylight. It included an extra Vista-Dome car and the Alco B unit with a horn. Unfortunately, the unit was made by Lionel and they have no provisions for using real American Flyer controls. The instructions indicate a Lionel transformer and how to make the horrn work. My question is, how can I make it works with a real American Flyer transformer. Is there any control out there that will operate the horn without having to purchase a Lionel transformer? Thanks for any help. Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links ************ **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar. aol.com/aolclass ifieds/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54910	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 6/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy

My understanding is the Big Boy isn't due until September and I wouldn't be surprised to see that slip to November. --- On Sat, 6/13/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 8:07 PM  I was just call by my hobby shop,and told that my order was pushed out on my AF big boy. This time I was told that they will ship in August, and I was # 11 out of 12 that was ordered for that area.   Do any of you know what the total number of big boys that Lionel is making in "S" is?  Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 6/13/09, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 5:00 PM Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54911	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Under construction

Both of your solutions to the problem of where to put layout controls have been used successfully. Not knowing your space limitationsand how complicated the layout is, it is hard to advise you, so here are some generic thoughts... Since power packs tend to be rather heavy, hanging them from the layout without further support is asking for trouble. Having them mounted on a rolling table is a good idea which allows you to make best use of room space by putting them under the layout when not in use. Switch, accessory, and track power controls aren't a weighty problem, so they could be placed on a vertical "control panel" on the side of the layout with perhaps the track plan laid out with automobile pinstripe tape or the tape Micro Mark sells for the purpose. Various controls could be placed at the point of the track plan where what they control is mounted to the layout. If there are many controls, this system will avoid confusion. An "umbilical cord" could connect the table with the power to the panel of controls. As an alternative, all controls and power could be mounted to a rolling "control table" which goes under the layout when not in use. As before, the controls would be laid out with the track plan, and placed horizontally, they would be easier to see and access than a panel on the layout. However, having the controls separate from the layout will complicate wiring problems and you'll need a much bigger "umbilical" to the layout. Another possibility is to mount controls such as accessory or switch controls on the side of the layout near the item they control, completely separate of a central control panel. Wiring each item is easier and less confusing and there can be minimal confusion as to what controls what on the layout. Heavy 12 or 14 gage power and ground "buss" wires would run under the layout to supply juice to these and again could connect to a power table by flexible cord. A lot of this has to be planned with consideration to how complex the layout is, space requirements, and your preferences, so each layout is litereally a "custom installation." Electrical stuff on a model railroad can be a real hassle, so keeping it simple will pay off when maintenance or repair problems crop up later. Stumpy Stone...been at this too long...in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54912	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: K-line O gauge Big Boy

3a. AF Big Boy Posted by: "ron plyler" ron_tallyho@... ron_tallyho Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:14 pm ((PDT)) Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler Rom Plyer: I have one of there BigBoys, purchase it to pull my Gilbert 1/16 scale, metal, pre war Flyer passengers cars, which are same size as the AF "S" 600 Series plastic cars. It is larger than the AF cars. It runs excellent has good sound, pulls the cars with not trouble, BUT I would say it is in the same class as the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine set to run on smaller layouts like 027. I don't believe that Lionel could pass this off as "S" scale. JERRY TCA 77-11644 HR ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFQPISixJvhBIROIsCruQhlViZA14VhUlxIv5WwqWV2P0vz9DX1AU/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54913	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

Well,, if we can can believe big L, the AF BB has been retooled and redetailed to be compatible with S. At approximately 25² long including tender, it is pretty close to 1/64th of the prototype. Roy Inman on 6/14/09 7:56 AM, gerald r dobbs at grdobbs@... wrote: > > > > > > 3a. AF Big Boy > Posted by: "ron plyler" ron_tallyho@... > <mailto:ron_tallyho%40yahoo.com> ron_tallyho > Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:14 pm ((PDT)) > > > Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A > friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was > selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller > layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler > > > Rom Plyer: I have one of there BigBoys, purchase it to pull my > Gilbert 1/16 scale, metal, pre war Flyer passengers cars, which are > same size as the AF "S" 600 Series plastic cars. It is larger than > the AF cars. It runs excellent has good sound, pulls the cars with not > trouble, BUT I would say it is in the same class as the Lionel GG-1 > and Turbine set to run on smaller layouts like 027. I don't believe that > Lionel could pass this off as "S" scale. > JERRY TCA 77-11644 HR > > __________________________________________________________ > Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more > information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFQPISixJvhBIROIsCruQhlViZA1 > 4VhUlxIv5WwqWV2P0vz9DX1AU/ > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54914	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

O Guage is +- 1/4" scale (1/48 th)... S is 3/16" Scale (1/64 th).... I was always told and it looks to me that the Big Boy seems to be, and is 1/58th Scale... Some have measured and say its right on... But to me it looks bigger than AF Locos.... I have seen both side by side.... Including the S version that was redone at York years ago..... Bob Conner  --- On Sun, 6/14/09, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] K-line O gauge Big Boy To: ron_tallyho@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 8:56 AM 3a. AF Big Boy Posted by: "ron plyler" ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com ron_tallyho Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:14 pm ((PDT)) Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler Rom Plyer: I have one of there BigBoys, purchase it to pull my Gilbert 1/16 scale, metal, pre war Flyer passengers cars, which are same size as the AF "S" 600 Series plastic cars. It is larger than the AF cars. It runs excellent has good sound, pulls the cars with not trouble, BUT I would say it is in the same class as the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine set to run on smaller layouts like 027. I don't believe that Lionel could pass this off as "S" scale. JERRY TCA 77-11644 HR ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/BLSrjpTFQPISi xJvhBIROIsCruQhl ViZA14VhUlxIv5Ww qWV2P0vz9DX1AU/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54915	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

OK folks, researched my archives and here is what I found: -In the 2002 First Edition K-Line catalog, ps. 22~23, there is a photo and description of the Big Boy, #4015. Copy says the length is ³just over 28²². The detailing is not correct, but from the photo, pretty impressive, especially for the advertised price, $399.00. That is with smoke, bell and whistle. Add $125.00 to get TMCC, RailSounds and smoke. -In the Lionel 2008 catalog volume 1, on pgs.136~137 there are photos and descriptive copy of their S version of the Big Boy, #4014. Copy says the length is ³approximately 25²². The detailing is considerably better than the K-Line O version. For one thing, the number boards above the front of the boiler are prototypical and the individually-applied detailing is more realistic. It comes with TMCC and RailSounds 5.0, and although the photos don¹t show it, but according to Lionel, it will be tether less IR connected. It also retails for lots more than the original K-Line version, $799.00. The length of the 1:1 Big Boy was approximately 132¹. Multiplying 132¹x12 ³=1,584². Dividing 1,584² by 64 (1/64 scale) on my calculator gives me 24.75², which is about the advertised length of the Flyonel Big Boy. As I am wont to do, I am playing just a little loose with the numbers here (I am math challenged), but even given my casual approach to life, it sounds pretty close to me. So, make of that what you will, but it appears to me as though Lionel may have downsized the O version to create the S version. But for sure, they have given it more detailing and more interesting features, such as firebox glow, etc. Roy, recovering from a late night with the Kansas City Symphony in the Flint Hills of Kansas, Inman on 6/14/09 8:57 AM, Robert Conner at rcon7@... wrote: > > > > > > O Guage is +- 1/4" scale (1/48 th)... S is 3/16" Scale (1/64 th).... I was > always told and it looks to me that the Big Boy seems to be, and is 1/58th > Scale... Some have measured and say its right on... But to me it looks bigger > than AF Locos.... I have seen both side by side.... Including the S version > that was redone at York years ago..... Bob Conner  > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@... > <mailto:grdobbs%40juno.com> > wrote: > > From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@... <mailto:grdobbs%40juno.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] K-line O gauge Big Boy > To: ron_tallyho@... <mailto:ron_tallyho%40yahoo.com> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 8:56 AM > > 3a. AF Big Boy > Posted by: "ron plyler" ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com ron_tallyho > Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:14 pm ((PDT)) > > Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A > friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was > selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller > layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler > > Rom Plyer: I have one of there BigBoys, purchase it to pull my > Gilbert 1/16 scale, metal, pre war Flyer passengers cars, which are > same size as the AF "S" 600 Series plastic cars. It is larger than > the AF cars. It runs excellent has good sound, pulls the cars with not > trouble, BUT I would say it is in the same class as the Lionel GG-1 > and Turbine set to run on smaller layouts like 027. I don't believe that > Lionel could pass this off as "S" scale. > JERRY TCA 77-11644 HR > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more > information. > http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/BLSrjpTFQPISi xJvhBIROIsCruQhl > ViZA14VhUlxIv5Ww qWV2P0vz9DX1AU/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54916	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

Hi Bob,               Lionel 027, Marx and K-Line 027 are O Gauge with 3/16 Scale bodies.  If you look closely at the Lionel American Flyer cars of today you will see the trucks are 1/4" scale pushed in to make "S" Gauge trucks.  The K-Line cars that were for sale in 2005-2006 are a good example of this explanation, but these cars had the same trucks as the Showcase Line. If you want true "S" Scale cars with true "S" Gauge trucks, I would suggest buying American Models or Showcase Line cars.  The old Gilbert American Flyer KC Trucks and the Lionel American Flyer Trucks 1979 to 1985 are closer to "S" scale.   I could see Lionel or K-Line(Owned by Lionel)making something from an 027 mold to claim it is "S" Gauge. The last few times I tried to go on Lionel's website it was unavailable.                                                                    Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line O gauge Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 9:57 AM O Guage is +- 1/4" scale (1/48 th)... S is 3/16" Scale (1/64 th).... I was always told and it looks to me that the Big Boy seems to be, and is 1/58th Scale... Some have measured and say its right on... But to me it looks bigger than AF Locos.... I have seen both side by side.... Including the S version that was redone at York years ago..... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 6/14/09, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] K-line O gauge Big Boy To: ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 8:56 AM 3a. AF Big Boy Posted by: "ron plyler" ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com ron_tallyho Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:14 pm ((PDT)) Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler Rom Plyer: I have one of there BigBoys, purchase it to pull my Gilbert 1/16 scale, metal, pre war Flyer passengers cars, which are same size as the AF "S" 600 Series plastic cars. It is larger than the AF cars. It runs excellent has good sound, pulls the cars with not trouble, BUT I would say it is in the same class as the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine set to run on smaller layouts like 027. I don't believe that Lionel could pass this off as "S" scale. JERRY TCA 77-11644 HR ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/BLSrjpTFQPISi xJvhBIROIsCruQhl ViZA14VhUlxIv5Ww qWV2P0vz9DX1AU/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54917	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

Guys.... Tired... The point I was making was "ARTISTIC LICENSE" .... Just because it is EXACT SCALE doesn't make it look right..... YOU HAVE TO ADJUST THINGS TO MAKE THEM LOOK RIGHT....Looks is what you are after... To me, and I have 2 on BACK ORDER, JUST LOOK TOO BIG FROM WHAT I SEE !!!! ....Just because a 4x4 column will do a job as a column, many timed I call for something bigger FOR LOOKS!!!!Bob --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line O gauge Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 1:21 PM Hi Bob,               Lionel 027, Marx and K-Line 027 are O Gauge with 3/16 Scale bodies.  If you look closely at the Lionel American Flyer cars of today you will see the trucks are 1/4" scale pushed in to make "S" Gauge trucks.  The K-Line cars that were for sale in 2005-2006 are a good example of this explanation, but these cars had the same trucks as the Showcase Line. If you want true "S" Scale cars with true "S" Gauge trucks, I would suggest buying American Models or Showcase Line cars.  The old Gilbert American Flyer KC Trucks and the Lionel American Flyer Trucks 1979 to 1985 are closer to "S" scale.   I could see Lionel or K-Line(Owned by Lionel)making something from an 027 mold to claim it is "S" Gauge. The last few times I tried to go on Lionel's website it was unavailable.                                                                    Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-line O gauge Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 9:57 AM O Guage is +- 1/4" scale (1/48 th)... S is 3/16" Scale (1/64 th).... I was always told and it looks to me that the Big Boy seems to be, and is 1/58th Scale... Some have measured and say its right on... But to me it looks bigger than AF Locos.... I have seen both side by side.... Including the S version that was redone at York years ago..... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 6/14/09, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] K-line O gauge Big Boy To: ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 8:56 AM 3a. AF Big Boy Posted by: "ron plyler" ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com ron_tallyho Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:14 pm ((PDT)) Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler Rom Plyer: I have one of there BigBoys, purchase it to pull my Gilbert 1/16 scale, metal, pre war Flyer passengers cars, which are same size as the AF "S" 600 Series plastic cars. It is larger than the AF cars. It runs excellent has good sound, pulls the cars with not trouble, BUT I would say it is in the same class as the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine set to run on smaller layouts like 027. I don't believe that Lionel could pass this off as "S" scale. JERRY TCA 77-11644 HR ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/BLSrjpTFQPISi xJvhBIROIsCruQhl ViZA14VhUlxIv5Ww qWV2P0vz9DX1AU/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54918	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

As has been noted in the past, at an NASG convention several years ago, K-Line was present with one of their Big Boys, and was soliciting interest in an S-gauge version. A group of members (which, significantly, included some "S-scalers"...not just highrailers) took some detailed measurements of the BB. As it turned out, they determined that the overall length of the BB was very close to S-scale in length. However, the tender was a little longer than it should have been, while the engine was a little shorter than it should have been. The consensus was that K-Line probably did that in order to ensure that it negotiated curves OK. Overall, however, it was a pretty good match for S. I seriously doubt that the shells and frames have been re-tooled for the new S version by Lionel. Rather, I expect that any retooling obviously involved the frame and wheel gauging, etc. I fully expect the shells and detailing to be virtually identical to the original K-Line version. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > The > length of the 1:1 Big Boy was approximately 132¹. Multiplying 132¹x12 > ³=1,584². Dividing 1,584² by 64 (1/64 scale) on my calculator gives me > 24.75², which is about the advertised length of the Flyonel Big Boy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54919	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54920	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

True, if it looks right to the owner, then it is right. Personally, I am pretty excited about having a Big Boy, even if it has to be a ³stand way off S scale² as the model airplane guys say :) But check my previous post please. The Flyonel BB may not be so far off as some might think... I suspect that when the BB finally arrives, be it September, November or next year, as it traverses layouts across America, those who did not order one will be sorely disappointed... Roy, trying to be more math skilled in my train measurements in Lenexa, Inman on 6/14/09 1:14 PM, Robert Conner at rcon7@... wrote: > > > > > > Guys.... Tired... The point I was making was "ARTISTIC LICENSE" .... Just > because it is EXACT SCALE doesn't make it look right..... YOU HAVE TO ADJUST > THINGS TO MAKE THEM LOOK RIGHT....Looks is what you are after... To me, and I > have 2 on BACK ORDER, JUST LOOK TOO BIG FROM WHAT I SEE !!!! ....Just because > a 4x4 column will do a job as a column, many timed I call for something bigger > FOR LOOKS!!!!Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54921	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

Doug, Comparing the photos of the Big Boy in the 2002 K-Line catalog with the Lionel version in 2008, the Lionel version appears to be much more detailed. I have photos and drawings of the prototype #4014 (Flyonel #) and they correspond very closely to the photos of the Lionel model. For whatever that is worth. But in my experience, the photos that Lionel uses in its catalogs are never as good as the production model. Roy, still measuring steam engines in Lenexa, Inman on 6/14/09 1:15 PM, Doug peck at doug@... wrote: > > > > > > As has been noted in the past, at an NASG convention several years ago, K-Line > was present with one of their Big Boys, and was soliciting interest in an > S-gauge version. A group of members (which, significantly, included some > "S-scalers"...not just highrailers) took some detailed measurements of the BB. > As it turned out, they determined that the overall length of the BB was very > close to S-scale in length. However, the tender was a little longer than it > should have been, while the engine was a little shorter than it should have > been. The consensus was that K-Line probably did that in order to ensure that > it negotiated curves OK. Overall, however, it was a pretty good match for S. I > seriously doubt that the shells and frames have been re-tooled for the new S > version by Lionel. Rather, I expect that any retooling obviously involved the > frame and wheel gauging, etc. I fully expect the shells and detailing to be > virtually identical to the original K-Line version. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > www.flyerparts.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54922	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

Hi All; If & when my Flyonel BB arrives I will compare it side by side w/ my #4015 converted to S by Larry Lobb in Ca. He did a wonderful job- I am extremely pleased w/ the results; has additional valve gear not seen on original, negotiates Flyer curves AND switches without a problem & seems to have no end to it's pulling power even up my 4 % grades! She measures 25" from cowcatcher to the end of her AF knuckle coupler of which 16 &1/4" are engine. I believe the shorter length (from orig. K-Line design) is due to custom (shorter) draw bar & the relocation of the mounting point for the front tender truck. She's currently pulling a mixed consist of AF,K-Line S & converted Lionel box cars, tankers, gondolas, auto racks & one of those unusual looking K-Line cabooses! She doesn't seem to mind & neither do I; after all they're still toys aren't they? "S"incerely, Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:29 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > As has been noted in the past, at an NASG convention several > years ago, K-Line was present with one of their Big Boys, and > was soliciting interest in an S-gauge version. A group of > members (which, significantly, included some "S-scalers"...not > just highrailers) took some detailed measurements of the BB. As > it turned out, they determined that the overall length of the BB > was very close to S-scale in length. However, the tender was a > little longer than it should have been, while the engine was a > little shorter than it should have been. The consensus was that > K-Line probably did that in order to ensure that it negotiated > curves OK. Overall, however, it was a pretty good match for S. I > seriously doubt that the shells and frames have been re-tooled > for the new S version by Lionel. Rather, I expect that any > retooling obviously involved the frame and wheel gauging, etc. I > fully expect the shells and detailing to be virtually identical > to the original K-Line version. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > www.flyerparts.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman wrote: > > > The > > length of the 1:1 Big Boy was approximately 132¹. Multiplying > 132¹x12> ³=1,584². Dividing 1,584² by 64 (1/64 scale) on my > calculator gives me > > 24.75², which is about the advertised length of the Flyonel > Big Boy. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54923	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/14/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54924	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy

Should they call it the "Oh Boy" it's that late.... --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 8:57 PM My understanding is the Big Boy isn't due until September and I wouldn't be surprised to see that slip to November. --- On Sat, 6/13/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 8:07 PM  I was just call by my hobby shop,and told that my order was pushed out on my AF big boy. This time I was told that they will ship in August, and I was # 11 out of 12 that was ordered for that area.   Do any of you know what the total number of big boys that Lionel is making in "S" is?  Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 6/13/09, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 5:00 PM Has anyone ever been to a trade show or seem a sample of the Big Boy? A friend tells me this is a remake of the K-line O gauge Big Boy that was selectively compressed like the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine to run on smaller layout. Is it s scale size? Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54925	From: jcolonbc	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: 758a sam the semaphore man

I need to find out where the yellow wire should be soldered on a 758A unit. I Bought two units a 758 and a 758a. Both have problems, I have the 758A working except for the lamp and the yellow wire which has come unsoldered. Thanks in advance for any help. Jim Colon jcolonbc@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54926	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2009
Subject: Re: 758a sam the semaphore man

Hi Jim,                     Yellow wire gets soldered to connection under the cone spring.  If you look at the 758 yellow wire, the 758A yellow wire gets soldered to the other connection opposite the 758.  I have these wiring diagrams in my Parts & Service Book. Drawings are by Tom Krell, Seattle, Wa.                                            Tom Seccia                                               --- On Sun, 6/14/09, jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> wrote: From: jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 758a sam the semaphore man To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 7:36 PM I need to find out where the yellow wire should be soldered on a 758A unit. I Bought two units a 758 and a 758a. Both have problems, I have the 758A working except for the lamp and the yellow wire which has come unsoldered. Thanks in advance for any help. Jim Colon jcolonbc@twlt. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54927	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: Under construction

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: >Thank you Stumpy for your insight. I am going for the cart on wheels to slide under the table. Using a 1/8 thick piece of wood table top for the controls. We talked yesterday on the Sunday Chat Line Wis > Both of your solutions to the problem of where to put layout controls have been used successfully. Not knowing your space limitationsand how complicated the layout is, it is hard to advise you, so here are some generic thoughts... > Since power packs tend to be rather heavy, hanging them from the layout without further support is asking for trouble. Having them mounted on a rolling table is a good idea which allows you to make best use of room space by putting them under the layout when not in use. > Switch, accessory, and track power controls aren't a weighty problem, so they could be placed on a vertical "control panel" on the side of the layout with perhaps the track plan laid out with automobile pinstripe tape or the tape Micro Mark sells for the purpose. Various controls could be placed at the point of the track plan where what they control is mounted to the layout. If there are many controls, this system will avoid confusion. An "umbilical cord" could connect the table with the power to the panel of controls. > As an alternative, all controls and power could be mounted to a rolling "control table" which goes under the layout when not in use. As before, the controls would be laid out with the track plan, and placed horizontally, they would be easier to see and access than a panel on the layout. However, having the controls separate from the layout will complicate wiring problems and you'll need a much bigger "umbilical" to the layout. > Another possibility is to mount controls such as accessory or switch controls on the side of the layout near the item they control, completely separate of a central control panel. Wiring each item is easier and less confusing and there can be minimal confusion as to what controls what on the layout. Heavy 12 or 14 gage power and ground "buss" wires would run under the layout to supply juice to these and again could connect to a power table by flexible cord. > A lot of this has to be planned with consideration to how complex the layout is, space requirements, and your preferences, so each layout is litereally a "custom installation." Electrical stuff on a model railroad can be a real hassle, so keeping it simple will pay off when maintenance or repair problems crop up later. > Stumpy Stone...been at this too long...in Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54928	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: K-line O gauge Big Boy

I disagree that this terrific 1:58 engine's proportions are comparable to Lionel's post war GG1. To anyone to who knows the difference between the toy (I use the term factually, not disparagingly) and a nominally 1:48 scale GG1, the Lionel's length is significantly truncated. In contrast to a 1:48 Big Boy, the K-Line does NOT appear to be short. Nor is their Allegheny, which I also use to lug AF 3/16s O cars. Seeing them pull a dozen of the very heavy diecast Pullmans or even more of the diecast freights is particularly gratifying. Some years ago, before the K-Line BB had even been announced I refinished 16 (combined prewar & postwar) diecast AF freight cars. Even when soaped up with the super motor and traction tires, the Kiss, Hudson's & Northern could not pull that many up grades. I had intended to eventually double & triple head engines, but got sidetracked on that undertaking upon acquiring the first of the two K-Line 'monsters'. Being 1:58 they ARE too large as compared to the 3/16s cars. But I suspect that the prototypes also dwarfed any typical loads that they pulled. I employ forced perspective when running mixed freights by placing a Lionel tinplate automobiles 'boxcar' (X2458) & or diecast 2411 pipe car (both equipped with Gilbert O trucks). The transition down to the Gilbert cars is credible. For S, the same could be done with O-27 freight cars. I recall my astonishment years ago when I learned that Lionel's GG1, which I perceived as being gigantic, was so disproportionately short. For those who will have and run the "S" Big Boy, (IF IT PROPERLY OPERATES!) it'll be a great acquisition. Message to Lionel: IF NOT ALREADY PLANNED OR ANNOUNCED, offer the lift bridge in S, or in a version that has switchable S & O track insert assemblies. The sight of that Allegheny & Big Boy passing over it induces ecstasy! Art (Shiffy) Shifrin www.shifrin.net __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4154 (20090615) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54929	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: AF Big Boy

As I said in my previous post, it is a good runner, TMCC + sound. It is the only locomotive that will pull a string of die-cast,( heavy, heavy,) pre-war Gilbert heavy weight passenger cars, it looks good ( even without the add'l valve linkage ) pulling the pre war die cast fright cars. I have one of there Big Boys, purchase it to pull my Gilbert 1/16 scale, metal, pre war Flyer passengers cars, which are same size as the AF "S" 600 Series plastic cars. It is larger than the AF cars. It runs excellent has good sound, pulls the cars with not trouble, BUT I would say it is in the same class as the Lionel GG-1 and Turbine set to run on smaller layouts like 027. I don't believe that Lionel could pass this off as "S" scale. JERRY TCA 77-11644 HR ____________________________________________________________ Always a good call. Click now to establish your local phone service! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbDl5X4vsBMnoihQSBLpb4Mpy0j8dycFPpJt1QxpSNp6e3lP5Vio/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54930	From: Jim King	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Smoky Mtn kits going to "limited run"

This is a "last call" for all of my rolling stock kits. The success of the 70-tonner as a limited run project of 100 units shows that I need to do the same for car kits that have been "out" for a while. I have old inventory of items unique to each car and need to clear them out or put in long-term storage to make room for new projects. I will collect reservations (payment not needed yet) until 6/30 for all car kits shown on my web page. If 15 or more reservations are received, that particular car will be re-run. Cars that do not reach the 15-level will be mothballed along with the rest of the kits after those are produced. All future kits will be "limited run" as well with at least 100 of each produced but the final tally depends on reservations reached before production begins. Re-run and future kits will include decals and couplers but not trucks due to irregular availability problems. I know limited runs are not popular with some folks but there is no longer any choice. No manufacturer can afford to have inventory laying around that can't be used (sold), so producing limited runs is the best solution. This arrangement also supports dealers as they have the opportunity to "stock up" knowing that there will a finite amount of kits available. Please reply off-list ASAP with your reservation. This is your last opportunity to purchase them . don't delay. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54931	From: john davis	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: MRC Symphony 77

I bought one of these for my 5 x 9 AF layout, and it's neat but I'd like to be able to make it louder. A call to MRC's helpdesk was cordial, but the technician could not suggest any amplification techniques out of fear of potentially damaging someone's expensive stero or sound system. Knowing that this group is a resourceful bunch I seek advice or instruction on this work-around. In terms of "guest appeal", the MRC Symphony 77 rail sound system is the best $70 I've ever spent. Visitors are captivated by it and it's super simple to set up. Now if I could just shake the house with it.... Thanks. john davis noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54932	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: S Helper Track

Just took delivery on my first order of track. S System. When putting the track together what is the trick to get the sections to butt up against each other, I do not want to use too much force.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54933	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Track

Mark, Put the two sections on a flat, hard surface. Carpet is not so good to assemble SHS track on. I use a short piece of plywood-and my reading glasses. The reading glasses may or may not be necessary in your case :) Roy Inman on 6/15/09 7:29 PM, wisner_mark at wisner_mark@... wrote: > > > > > > Just took delivery on my first order of track. S System. > When putting the track together what is the trick to get the sections to butt > up against each other, I do not want to use too much force. > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54934	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Track

Did you try contacting S Helper as you know that Don is on this list. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Track Just took delivery on my first order of track. S System. When putting the track together what is the trick to get the sections to butt up against each other, I do not want to use too much force. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54935	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: For sale: Gilbert 96x orange and chestnut streamliners

Make me an offer I can't refuse.  I show conditions and Greenberg prices (adjusted for condition) below: 960 orange weak VG $100 962 orange VG- $100 963 orange weak VG $110 960 chestnut solid VG+/Ex- $165 963 chestnut VG- $180 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54936	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Track

Hi Mark,                        Lay the track on a hard flat surface.  Line up the rails so these slide into the track connectors.  You will hear a small snap when the track locks in place.                                                        Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 6/15/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 8:29 PM Just took delivery on my first order of track. S System. When putting the track together what is the trick to get the sections to butt up against each other, I do not want to use too much force. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54937	From: Christopher Burger	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: (no subject)

WOW, PUTTING THIS TRACK TOGETHER IS NOT HARD FELLAS. I HAD A 6 YEAR OLD DO IT AT A TRAIN SHOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. SOLD HIS MOM ON S-GAUGE TRAINS. JUST PUSH IT TOGETHER. IT LINES ITSELF UP AND SNAPS TOGETHER. I DON'T EVEN NEED MY BI-FOCALS TO PUT IT TOGETHER. Christopher [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54938	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Christopher you are a better man than I. I have to place both pieces flat on a board and can¹t see the tiny joiners to make sure they are lined up without some type of close-up aid. When we set up our big Holiday Village layout at Union Station Kansas City, we always have to go around the S portion a few times to make sure all track connections are secure. But once it is together, boy is it good stuff!! Roy Inman on 6/16/09 9:55 AM, Christopher Burger at burger_christopher@... wrote: > > > > > > WOW, PUTTING THIS TRACK TOGETHER IS NOT HARD FELLAS. I HAD A 6 YEAR OLD DO IT > AT A TRAIN SHOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. SOLD HIS MOM ON S-GAUGE TRAINS. JUST > PUSH IT TOGETHER. IT LINES ITSELF UP AND SNAPS TOGETHER. I DON'T EVEN NEED MY > BI-FOCALS TO PUT IT TOGETHER. > > Christopher > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54939	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: American Models Random Bell and Whistle

Hi All, I am beginning to tinker around with setting up the new layout (finally). I hooked up my American Models PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 AC version with bell and whistle. I am using the American Models bell/whistle controller. When I apply power to the engine it moves forward with randon whistles and bells without pushing the controller buttons. Pushing the controller buttons does not stop the random sounds and it also does not start the sounds. I didn't have this problem when I was running my old layout last year. I am using the same track with the same power wiring soldered to the track. I have run my track cleaner car around the track a bunch of times so the track is clean. It is also level and all joints are tight. So what's causing the random sounds and why isn't the sound controller working properly? Any and all ideas welcomed! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54940	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: running trains

In a message dated 6/16/2009 12:30:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: we always have to go around the S portion a few times to make sure all track connections are secure. The FIRST large PVMR layout we set up, Jeffro and I ran trains for several hours, both directions on both tracks, NO problems. Ran a variety of engines, having been a Pro DJ, well aware that if it can go wrong, it WILL go wrong (altho it seldom did). Loaded up, moved and reset the layout, one track would not allow a train to go either direction thru one spot. After great consternation, we found that ONE A/F track pin had not gone where it should have, layout must have flexed enough to make it an issue. Track was ANCHORED, had to lift it to fix it, ON display, while running rest of layout. Ya gotta love it. Jim "ah the memories on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54941	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Random Bell and Whistle

Others will probably know right off the bat, but you might try reversing the transformer plug or reversing the power leads to the transformer. Roy Inman on 6/16/09 10:16 AM, Bull_Gator_1 at bull_gator_1@... wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > I am beginning to tinker around with setting up the new layout (finally). I > hooked up my American Models PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 AC version with bell > and whistle. I am using the American Models bell/whistle controller. When I > apply power to the engine it moves forward with randon whistles and bells > without pushing the controller buttons. Pushing the controller buttons does > not stop the random sounds and it also does not start the sounds. I didn't > have this problem when I was running my old layout last year. I am using the > same track with the same power wiring soldered to the track. I have run my > track cleaner car around the track a bunch of times so the track is clean. It > is also level and all joints are tight. So what's causing the random sounds > and why isn't the sound controller working properly? > > Any and all ideas welcomed! > > BG1 > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54942	From: musc92	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: American Models Random Bell and Whistle

I had the same problem with my K-4 when I first bought it. What it turned out to be was that when I plugged in the power lead from the tender to the engine I plugged it in wrong - only three of the four prongs were plugged in. When I plugged then in correctly the random bells & whistles stopped. Don't know if this is what's causing your problem, but its worth trying. Paul Puchalski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am beginning to tinker around with setting up the new layout (finally). I hooked up my American Models PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 AC version with bell and whistle. I am using the American Models bell/whistle controller. When I apply power to the engine it moves forward with randon whistles and bells without pushing the controller buttons. Pushing the controller buttons does not stop the random sounds and it also does not start the sounds. I didn't have this problem when I was running my old layout last year. I am using the same track with the same power wiring soldered to the track. I have run my track cleaner car around the track a bunch of times so the track is clean. It is also level and all joints are tight. So what's causing the random sounds and why isn't the sound controller working properly? > > Any and all ideas welcomed! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54943	From: Jim King	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: B&O M53 wagontop reservations

I've hit 94 reservations for the upcoming M53 wagontop box kit. I'd like to hit 100 to confirm the "limited run" of this car. Can a few of you, including dealers, come up with the remaining 6? Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54944	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: American Models Random Bell and Whistle - Solved

Paul, Thanks for the help. I disconnected the plug and then reinserted it - no more random sounds and the controller buttons work!!!!!!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "musc92" <musc02@...> wrote: > > I had the same problem with my K-4 when I first bought it. What it turned out to be was that when I plugged in the power lead from the tender to the engine I plugged it in wrong - only three of the four prongs were plugged in. When I plugged then in correctly the random bells & whistles stopped. Don't know if this is what's causing your problem, but its worth trying. > > Paul Puchalski > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am beginning to tinker around with setting up the new layout (finally). I hooked up my American Models PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2 AC version with bell and whistle. I am using the American Models bell/whistle controller. When I apply power to the engine it moves forward with randon whistles and bells without pushing the controller buttons. Pushing the controller buttons does not stop the random sounds and it also does not start the sounds. I didn't have this problem when I was running my old layout last year. I am using the same track with the same power wiring soldered to the track. I have run my track cleaner car around the track a bunch of times so the track is clean. It is also level and all joints are tight. So what's causing the random sounds and why isn't the sound controller working properly? > > > > Any and all ideas welcomed! > > > > BG1 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54945	From: cornwall9	Date: 6/17/2009
Subject: American Flyer stock yard cows

Friends, I am trying to purchase an American Flyer stock yard for my new layout. I know that the animated cow "feet" are like the animated people "feet" and they deteriorate. Are there replacements available for either the feet or the cows ? I want to make sure they willingly go into the stock car or wander around the stockyard without any "digital" interference. Thanks in advance, Nick Kulp TCA #05-59603

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54946	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/17/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows

We have replacement mohair fabric, just like original fiber feet. Much cheaper than complete replacement cows, and easy to install. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Friends, > > I am trying to purchase an American Flyer stock yard for my new layout. I know that the animated cow "feet" are like the animated people "feet" and they deteriorate. Are there replacements available for either the feet or the cows ? I want to make sure they willingly go into the stock car or wander around the stockyard without any "digital" interference. > > Thanks in advance, > Nick Kulp > TCA #05-59603 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54947	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Special 1:64 Modeling Guide Back Issue Sale Announcement

Good evening. I'm running a special "Pre-NMRA National Convention" sale on all back issues of the S/Sn3 Buyer's Guide; S/Sn3 Modeling Guide; 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine through Volume 9, Issue 6. The sale runs now through July 4. Cost is only $1.09 each, plus S&H (and any applicable sales tax), while supplies last. You read right: $1.09 each! The magazines are brand new from existing inventories. Visit the magazine's Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com, click on the "Back Issues" button and download the back issues order form. Maybe if enough copies get sold I'll have a few bucks to start building my layout (and a few less boxes in the basement)! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54948	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows

Thanks Doug,   As always, you have the answers.   Regards, Nick --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer stock yard cows To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:56 PM We have replacement mohair fabric, just like original fiber feet. Much cheaper than complete replacement cows, and easy to install. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Friends, > > I am trying to purchase an American Flyer stock yard for my new layout. I know that the animated cow "feet" are like the animated people "feet" and they deteriorate. Are there replacements available for either the feet or the cows ? I want to make sure they willingly go into the stock car or wander around the stockyard without any "digital" interference. > > Thanks in advance, > Nick Kulp > TCA #05-59603 > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54949	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows

They work great too....  Clayton   Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer stock yard cows To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:56 PM We have replacement mohair fabric, just like original fiber feet. Much cheaper than complete replacement cows, and easy to install. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@. ..> wrote: > > Friends, > > I am trying to purchase an American Flyer stock yard for my new layout. I know that the animated cow "feet" are like the animated people "feet" and they deteriorate. Are there replacements available for either the feet or the cows ? I want to make sure they willingly go into the stock car or wander around the stockyard without any "digital" interference. > > Thanks in advance, > Nick Kulp > TCA #05-59603 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54950	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows

Nick, You can search the archives and find a lot of messages discussing cow and people "feet". There are several different materials available for replacement "feet" at your local Wallyworld. I tried a couple of them just for the fun of experimenting. You can adjust the angle of the "feet" with these other materials and get the cows to turn very tight circles if you want - remember these are toys and making them do crazy things is more than half the fun - lol! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Friends, > > I am trying to purchase an American Flyer stock yard for my new layout. I know that the animated cow "feet" are like the animated people "feet" and they deteriorate. Are there replacements available for either the feet or the cows ? I want to make sure they willingly go into the stock car or wander around the stockyard without any "digital" interference. > > Thanks in advance, > Nick Kulp > TCA #05-59603 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54951	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: Special 1:64 Modeling Guide Back Issue Sale Announcement

Bob.... How much for 1 of each.... 40+ .... Can a cc be used as I am leaving in a week for the summer.... Bob Conner --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Robert Nalbone <bobnalbone04@...> wrote: From: Robert Nalbone <bobnalbone04@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Special 1:64 Modeling Guide Back Issue Sale Announcement To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 12:19 AM Good evening. I'm running a special "Pre-NMRA National Convention" sale on all back issues of the S/Sn3 Buyer's Guide; S/Sn3 Modeling Guide; 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine through Volume 9, Issue 6. The sale runs now through July 4. Cost is only $1.09 each, plus S&H (and any applicable sales tax), while supplies last. You read right: $1.09 each! The magazines are brand new from existing inventories. Visit the magazine's Website: www.1-64ModelingGui de.com, click on the "Back Issues" button and download the back issues order form. Maybe if enough copies get sold I'll have a few bucks to start building my layout (and a few less boxes in the basement)! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54952	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer stock yard cows

Hi Nick,                  I have original type mohair.  Black Steers slant different than Brown Steers. Black Steers go on one side, Brrown Steers go in the other. These cannot be mixed.  I sell mohair in packs of two for $1.50 per pack.                                                Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 6/17/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer stock yard cows To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 8:07 PM Friends, I am trying to purchase an American Flyer stock yard for my new layout. I know that the animated cow "feet" are like the animated people "feet" and they deteriorate. Are there replacements available for either the feet or the cows ? I want to make sure they willingly go into the stock car or wander around the stockyard without any "digital" interference. Thanks in advance, Nick Kulp TCA #05-59603 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54953	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Unusual Train Race

For those that get the BBC America channel, you might want to check out this race between a '50's steam locomotive, Vincent motorcycle, and Jaguar XK120. It's part of the BBC's "Top Gear" craziness and always worth a chuckle for the Brit humor. The scenes of the train ought to be pretty good as well. http://tinyurl.com/nn5mkd George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54954	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: 742 Handcar Overhaul

Hi All, I just purchased a 742 reversing hand car that needs a complete overhaul. Can someone suggest the best way to overhaul it? A step-by-step set of instructions would be nice and I am sure will be greatly appreciated by others as well as me! Thanks in advance! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54955	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: 742 Handcar Overhaul

It's not much different from a diesel overhaul, except much simpler! But the most common problem with a handcar that doesn't run well is the need for rebushing. I see more handcars that need rebushing than those that are OK! If you can wiggle the geared-axle around on the chassis, it needs rebushing, and it will never run well unless it's done. Just like diesels! Doug Peck Port Lines Hupply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just purchased a 742 reversing hand car that needs a complete overhaul. Can someone suggest the best way to overhaul it? A step-by-step set of instructions would be nice and I am sure will be greatly appreciated by others as well as me! > > Thanks in advance! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54956	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: 742 Handcar Overhaul

Amen Brother......But that's NOT an easy do. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 06/18/2009 12:25:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, doug@... writes: It's not much different from a diesel overhaul, except much simpler! But the most common problem with a handcar that doesn't run well is the need for rebushing. I see more handcars that need rebushing than those that are OK! If you can wiggle the geared-axle around on the chassis, it needs rebushing, and it will never run well unless it's done. Just like diesels! Doug Peck Port Lines Hupply **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222677718x1201465083/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692163%3B38015526%3Be) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54957	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: 742 Handcar Overhaul - Answered

Hi Again, I have found the answer to my question. In the Jan/Feb 1997 S-Gaugian, pages 36 - 39 Tom Jarcho has an article entitled "New Life for American Flyer Handcars". Tom covers all the overhaul steps including how to bush the axle holes. Somewhere in one of these moving boxes I should have several sets of the bushings that Tom sold. So hopefully I can find time this weekend to find those bushings and overhaul this 742! Now which box should I start the search with?????? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just purchased a 742 reversing hand car that needs a complete overhaul. Can someone suggest the best way to overhaul it? A step-by-step set of instructions would be nice and I am sure will be greatly appreciated by others as well as me! > > Thanks in advance! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54958	From: Jim King	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: GE 70-tonners all shipped

The last shipment of GE 70-tonners will be mailed tomorrow. All dealers have received their quantities so anyone who missed out ordering direct should contact a dealer listed on my web site. Thanks to all mail order customers and dealers who made my first diesel project a success. Next car project: B&O M53 "wagontop" box (109 reservations to date). Next diesel project: 44-ton GE in 2 phases (after the M53). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54959	From: wisner_mark	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: S Helper Switches.

Don has switches on order. He is waiting for a shipment from his mfg. in China. I am anxious to start debuging my new layout. I am interested in buying used switches. 3- #3 Right Hand switches #00298A and 3- #00299A #3LEFT Hand switches. I will use these until Don's shipment arrives. Thanks Wis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54960	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Switches.

Mark, We have some used SHS turnouts (also a lot of track) listed on our website, although many of them are manuals. Used, but you'd hardly know it....they're all in LN condition. Click on the SHS Inventory segment of our website. Doug Peck Port Lines Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > Don has switches on order. He is waiting for a shipment from his mfg. in China. I am anxious to start debuging my new layout. I am interested in buying used switches. 3- #3 Right Hand switches #00298A and 3- #00299A #3LEFT Hand switches. I will use these until Don's shipment arrives. > Thanks > Wis >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54961	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Contact

Jerry P., in Wayne MI, please contact me off list. Thanks, Charlie in W MI. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54962	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: BOXES

GUYS AND GAL..... The other day while I was putting a painted 971 flat into a REPRO BOX...  I got to thinking.... What items goes in which color box! Has anybody ever done a chart that shows what years the Blue and Yellow boxes were used.... The red and White boxes.... The Maroonish and White boxes... The plain White or Off White.... Etc.... So when we put items away in Repro or Original Unmarked boxes we kinda get them right.... Maybe one of my reference books has this information and I have overlooked it.... Ideas!!! Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54963	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

In a message dated 6/19/09 7:03:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: > So when we put items away in Repro or Original Unmarked boxes we kinda > get them right.... WORST one I ever saw--THREE PRE-war A/F cars, in RED & WHITE boxes, LOST in plain sight. I found them only because there was nothing else to look thru. 6 people had, at various times, looked for those cars. Jim "funny now on the Keystone Main" Lyle<BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004)</HTML> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54964	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

Hi Bob, Bob Tufts and I had been working on that listing for his next addition of "The Almost Complete Guide Top American Flyer S Gauge Sets." I assume that all that info is still stored on his computer in his basement. I doubt if it will ever get into print, a major loss. There was much information that was to appear in the second edition of the book that is now lost. Bob was a great storehouse of knowledge when it came to American Flyer, we all still miss him very much. Harwood **************Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222435718x1201460505/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick. net%2Fclk%3B215748553%3B38126199%3Bs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54965	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

Harwood.... I agree with you... Great Loss! Maybe we can start a new list..... Ideas on where to start.... What years were each issued in? Any way his wife would let someone obtain the material? Bob Conner --- On Fri, 6/19/09, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 12:24 PM Hi Bob, Bob Tufts and I had been working on that listing for his next addition of "The Almost Complete Guide Top American Flyer S Gauge Sets." I assume that all that info is still stored on his computer in his basement. I doubt if it will ever get into print, a major loss. There was much information that was to appear in the second edition of the book that is now lost. Bob was a great storehouse of knowledge when it came to American Flyer, we all still miss him very much. Harwood ************ **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x122243 5718x1201460505/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fad.doubleclick . net%2Fclk%3B2157485 53%3B38126199% 3Bs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54966	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

The David Doyle book " Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" has a light treatment of boxes. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES Harwood.... I agree with you... Great Loss! Maybe we can start a new list..... Ideas on where to start.... What years were each issued in? Any way his wife would let someone obtain the material? Bob Conner --- On Fri, 6/19/09, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 12:24 PM Hi Bob, Bob Tufts and I had been working on that listing for his next addition of "The Almost Complete Guide Top American Flyer S Gauge Sets." I assume that all that info is still stored on his computer in his basement. I doubt if it will ever get into print, a major loss. There was much information that was to appear in the second edition of the book that is now lost. Bob was a great storehouse of knowledge when it came to American Flyer, we all still miss him very much. Harwood ************ **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x122243 5718x1201460505/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fad.doubleclick . net%2Fclk%3B2157485 53%3B38126199% 3Bs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54967	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

Gentlemen,   Perhaps I assume too much but I picked up the Doyle book on American Flyer at York in April. It has what appears to be a good listing of the boxes and when they were used. I know I am a newbie to Flyer collecting but as an owner since 1956, I can claim longevity <grin>. If I am incorrect or this book is not what you were thinking of, please forgive my impulsive response.   Regards, Nick Kulp TCA #05-59603 --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 1:33 PM Harwood.... I agree with you... Great Loss! Maybe we can start a new list..... Ideas on where to start.... What years were each issued in? Any way his wife would let someone obtain the material? Bob Conner --- On Fri, 6/19/09, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 12:24 PM Hi Bob, Bob Tufts and I had been working on that listing for his next addition of "The Almost Complete Guide Top American Flyer S Gauge Sets." I assume that all that info is still stored on his computer in his basement. I doubt if it will ever get into print, a major loss. There was much information that was to appear in the second edition of the book that is now lost. Bob was a great storehouse of knowledge when it came to American Flyer, we all still miss him very much. Harwood ************ **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x122243 5718x1201460505/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fad.doubleclick . net%2Fclk%3B2157485 53%3B38126199% 3Bs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54968	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Unusual train race

This show might be broadcast in Britain on Sunday June 21, however, here in the US we are getting "BBC America" which is still running reruns of previous Top Gear episodes on Monday and Thursday nights at 8pm. You can't even tell when the episodes were made origionally. Lord knows when we'll get to see the new episodes! On the other hand, I love Top Gear anyway! Guess I'll have to be patient... Stumpy Stone...in stormy eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54969	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

I have the book, as well. It is far from complete, in regards to all gauges of AF. The scarcity guide, in my opinion, is pratically useless. It has nice pictures, though. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: The LANIERs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES The David Doyle book " Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" has a light treatment of boxes. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES Harwood.... I agree with you... Great Loss! Maybe we can start a new list..... Ideas on where to start.... What years were each issued in? Any way his wife would let someone obtain the material? Bob Conner --- On Fri, 6/19/09, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BOXES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 12:24 PM Hi Bob, Bob Tufts and I had been working on that listing for his next addition of "The Almost Complete Guide Top American Flyer S Gauge Sets." I assume that all that info is still stored on his computer in his basement. I doubt if it will ever get into print, a major loss. There was much information that was to appear in the second edition of the book that is now lost. Bob was a great storehouse of knowledge when it came to American Flyer, we all still miss him very much. Harwood ************ **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x122243 5718x1201460505/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fad.doubleclick . net%2Fclk%3B2157485 53%3B38126199% 3Bs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54970	From: Phil K	Date: 6/19/2009
Subject: BOXES

Re: Boxes A list of box types for individual pieces? Go here. It's already been done, by me in 2006. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/34159 If you need info on set boxes, the late Bob Tufts had done the best reference book I've seen on the subject -- but there still were exceptions. Bob listed hundreds of different set boxes used to pack American Flyer. There often was no rhyme or reason to what Gilbert did. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54971	From: alansherryb	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

Hello friends: I took a look at Phil's work on AF boxes and found it very interesting and helpful. I do have one additional comment. I could not tell whether the list in Phil's 2006 message includes what I would call the Red and White Pikemaster Box which was a fairly flimsy, open faced box in at least two sizes holding what I found to be a Pikemaster car secured with twist ties. I purchased a mobilgas tank car, a searchlight car and a track cleaning car in these boxes from Hobby Surplus Sales in the late '60s as I suspect many of you may have done. Perhaps these boxes may have been used in late production sets such as the All Aboard sets. I have never purchased a boxed All Aboard set, so I do not know how the cars therein were packaged. I seem to recall that at least the track cleaning car was a Pikemaster separate sale item. I am sure that many of you AF folks out there can set me straight with respect to these boxes and where they might fit into Phil's list. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > Re: Boxes > > A list of box types for individual pieces? > > Go here. It's already been done, by me in 2006. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/34159 > > If you need info on set boxes, the late Bob Tufts had done > the best reference book I've seen on the subject -- but there > still were exceptions. Bob listed hundreds of different set > boxes used to pack American Flyer. There often was no rhyme > or reason to what Gilbert did. > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54972	From: mengled	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > Re: Boxes > > A list of box types for individual pieces? > > Go here. It's already been done, by me in 2006. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/34159 > > If you need info on set boxes, the late Bob Tufts had done > the best reference book I've seen on the subject -- but there > still were exceptions. Bob listed hundreds of different set > boxes used to pack American Flyer. There often was no rhyme > or reason to what Gilbert did. > > Phil K > Hi Phil Your are correct, however Bob and I were very personal friends, and he did a great job. By the way, I am in desperate need of a 20615 insert. Thanks, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54973	From: mengled	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: American Flyer 20615 Insert for a C-8 Set Box

Hi: I am in desperate need of the insert for the " Thunderbolt " 20615 Set Box. My set is complete C-9 with original set box but no insert. Anyone know where I might get one? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54974	From: Ron Morris	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual train race

Go to www.bbcamerica.com and you can look at the Top Gear offerings, at least for the next few weeks. There are NO 2009 shows being offered. The shows are 2008 and earlier and there is not much of a variety. Rerun after rerun after rerun. Ron M --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > This show might be broadcast in Britain on Sunday June 21, however, here in the US we are getting "BBC America" which is still running reruns of previous Top Gear episodes on Monday and Thursday nights at 8pm. You can't even tell when the episodes were made origionally. Lord knows when we'll get to see the new episodes! > On the other hand, I love Top Gear anyway! Guess I'll have to be patient... > Stumpy Stone...in stormy eastern Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54975	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Re: BOXES

Phil..... Thanks LOADS!!!!! I have the books mentioned and overlooked the box stuff in the AF book. You have done a very good list and is very helpful. Can we expand on this list as more info is uncovered? We also had the Pikemaster stuff and the Plain boxes. PM was in 65 - 66 but what about years for the plain? Now maybe I can put some on my loose cars into boxes.... ( I do prefer to put really nice stuff into ORIGINAL BOXES ). Bob Conner --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: From: Phil K <waldootten@...> Subject: [S-Trains] BOXES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:53 AM Re: Boxes A list of box types for individual pieces? Go here. It's already been done, by me in 2006. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ message/34159 If you need info on set boxes, the late Bob Tufts had done the best reference book I've seen on the subject -- but there still were exceptions. Bob listed hundreds of different set boxes used to pack American Flyer. There often was no rhyme or reason to what Gilbert did. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54976	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/21/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54977	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/20/2009
Subject: Rick Johnson rides again!!!

He attended our swap meet today and told me he has ordered more roadbed from his supplier so he will be able to ship roadbed in late September.  Submit your orders now if you want wide curves - he has sold lots of it (to Doug Peck among others) and is thinking about increasing the order. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54978	From: John	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Parts for the Maintenance Car

I may have asked this before ...... I forgot..... Does anyone have information on parts for the Yellow 23743 Track Maintenance Car? The large gear on the axel has been chewed up and I have been looking for a replacement. Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54979	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Boxes

In re-reading these posts, thought I might add about the plain white boxes, My "Dept. Store Special set (the press board scenic panel set) has the track in plain white boxes. I think the 5 diget number is stamped on the end, but I'd have to dig it out to confirm that. I also have a track bumper in a plain white boxe with the 5 diget number stamped on the top. The boxes appear to be identical in size to the regular boxes, just not printed. Cost savings? S' David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54980	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?

Anyone know what this is & how it is used...E-bay item # 230350818571 Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54981	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?

Mike, I think it is a circuit breaker made only in 1946. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone know what this is & how it is used...E-bay item # 230350818571 > Thanks, Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54982	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?

Hi Mike,   It looks like an early American Flyer circuit breaker. The button is exactly like the one on my 250 Watt 12b. The light is also similar. Since it says "Cut Out", I am pretty certain that is what it is.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Sun, 6/21/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: ANYONE KNOW? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 2:03 PM Anyone know what this is & how it is used...E-bay item # 230350818571  Thanks, Mike ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54983	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?

Mike, it's just a circuit breaker used with transformers that don't have a cycling button on them. Cycles the reverse unit. Steve In a message dated 06/21/2009 1:12:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: Anyone know what this is & how it is used...E-bay item # 230350818571 Thanks, Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323000x1201367220/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54984	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?

Prewar circuit breaker. I don't believe any prewar transformers had CBs built in. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone know what this is & how it is used...E-bay item # 230350818571 > Thanks, Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54985	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/21/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 54986	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/21/2009
Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW?

Hi Mike,                   This item is a #11 Circuit Breaker.  It was sold in the Pre War days for #5, #5A, #6 & #6A Transformers which did not have circuit breakers.  There were Pre War transformers that had built in circuit breakers 7B-8B-9B.  The Pre War transformers had the jeweled covers.                                        Tom Seccia                                      --- On Sun, 6/21/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: ANYONE KNOW? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 2:03 PM Anyone know what this is & how it is used...E-bay item # 230350818571 Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54987	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: OMS sound controller

Hello, I'm looking to purchase a two button OMS sound controller that was sold by American Models. Please contact me off line if you have one for sale. Thanks, Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54988	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller

I could use one, too.   Bob --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Lou &Lois Templeton <louloist@...> wrote: From: Lou &Lois Templeton <louloist@...> Subject: [S-Trains] OMS sound controller To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 7:43 AM Hello, I'm looking to purchase a two button OMS sound controller that was sold by American Models. Please contact me off line if you have one for sale. Thanks, Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54989	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: Build Your Own Sound Controller

Hi All, Here is a link to the circuit diagram to build your own sound controller: http://tinyurl.com/lncplk Have Fun! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54990	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/22/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller

Dear BG1, Won't this circuit cause the engine to slow down every time the horn and bell is activated by the current needed to power all of those diodes? Best, Don On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Here is a link to the circuit diagram to build your own sound > controller: > > http://tinyurl.com/lncplk > > Have Fun! > > BG1 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54991	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller

----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson Won't this circuit cause the engine to slow down . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > . Have a look at this for 2 circuits, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Sound%20for%20AC%20trains/ each with its drawbacks. One reduces voltage continuously, the other reduces voltage only when activated. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54992	From: John	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller

For some reason the link didn't work John ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Build Your Own Sound Controller Hi All, Here is a link to the circuit diagram to build your own sound controller: http://tinyurl.com/lncplk Have Fun! BG1 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54993	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Controller

link doesn't work! Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > Here is a link to the circuit diagram to build your own sound controller: > > http://tinyurl.com/lncplk <http://tinyurl.com/lncplk> > > Have Fun! > > BG1 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54994	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Build Your Own Sound Contoller - New Link

Hi All, I'm not sure why the tinyurl link stopped working, but here is the entire link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Sound%20for%20AC%20trains/ BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54995	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Bar Mills

Has anyone ordered product from Bar Mills directly? I ordered some things from them, as it is now two weeks and no product, as I paid what I think is good money for reasonable timely shipping. I emailed them last week and no response. I know they are a reputable company. But are they that slow? Do they make the product to order? Just curious. My baseball players are quite thirsty, as this is a tavern that will behind one of the baseball walls, just like in Hagerstown, MD. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54996	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2009
Subject: Re: Build Your Own Sound Contoller - New Link

BG1 are you sure that the SW's are SPST ? Mike In a message dated 6/23/2009 6:19:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi All, I'm not sure why the tinyurl link stopped working, but here is the entire link: _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://grouphttp://grouhttp://gr_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Sound%20for%20AC%20trains/) BG1 **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377052x1201454391/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54997	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Atlas Atlantic Conversion

I don't know if anyone else has attempted this. I purchased a 3/16th Atlantic shell from Atlas for $15. I also purchased the handrails and headlight for a couple of dollars. I took an old Gilbert Atlantic chassis and converted it to DC using an SNS motor. Some modifications had to be made to the shell to accept the Gilbert chassis, the worst of all was I could not figure out how to include the chuff and smoke unit. Even at that, I think the shell rides a little high on the chassis. I hope to add a front light and Seuth smoke unit later, but I will miss that good old American Flyer choo choo. I used a Gilbert tender as it was very similar to the Southern tenders. I used a River Raisin bell. The lettering is done with Microscale Southern steam decals and dry transfer lettering. The large striping on the tender is 0 scale and the other striping is H0 scale, all cut and pasted to a visually pleasing size. I was a little disappointed that for some reason I could not get the shells as glossy as I wanted before applying the decals. The unit runs well and I hope to get some video on my YouTube page soon. I am not the most talented mechanic or electrician, so I hope others can do their own conversion job, and do it better. Meantime, I have a Southern Atlantic to pull my short locals that does not look like a Reading Atlantic. You can find 3 photos in the photo album in the album Atlas Atlantic Conversion.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54998	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion

Hi Rapid, It looks good to me. Nice work and a good way to add some variety. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rapidrail1 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas Atlantic Conversion I don't know if anyone else has attempted this. I purchased a 3/16th Atlantic shell from Atlas for $15. I also purchased the handrails and headlight for a couple of dollars. I took an old Gilbert Atlantic chassis and converted it to DC using an SNS motor. Some modifications had to be made to the shell to accept the Gilbert chassis, the worst of all was I could not figure out how to include the chuff and smoke unit. Even at that, I think the shell rides a little high on the chassis. I hope to add a front light and Seuth smoke unit later, but I will miss that good old American Flyer choo choo. I used a Gilbert tender as it was very similar to the Southern tenders. I used a River Raisin bell. The lettering is done with Microscale Southern steam decals and dry transfer lettering. The large striping on the tender is 0 scale and the other striping is H0 scale, all cut and pasted to a visually pleasing size. I was a little disappointed that for some reason I could not get the shells as glossy as I wanted before applying the decals. The unit runs well and I hope to get some video on my YouTube page soon. I am not the most talented mechanic or electrician, so I hope others can do their own conversion job, and do it better. Meantime, I have a Southern Atlantic to pull my short locals that does not look like a Reading Atlantic. You can find 3 photos in the photo album in the album Atlas Atlantic Conversion. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 54999	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion

Rapid, if you want to spend the $$ a SIT unit with Piston Chuff could be used, Mike In a message dated 6/24/2009 12:20:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wpporter@... writes: Hi Rapid, It looks good to me. Nice work and a good way to add some variety. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of rapidrail1 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:02 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas Atlantic Conversion I don't know if anyone else has attempted this. I purchased a 3/16th Atlantic shell from Atlas for $15. I also purchased the handrails and headlight for a couple of dollars. I took an old Gilbert Atlantic chassis and converted it to DC using an SNS motor. Some modifications had to be made to the shell to accept the Gilbert chassis, the worst of all was I could not figure out how to include the chuff and smoke unit. Even at that, I think the shell rides a little high on the chassis. I hope to add a front light and Seuth smoke unit later, but I will miss that good old American Flyer choo choo. I used a Gilbert tender as it was very similar to the Southern tenders. I used a River Raisin bell. The lettering is done with Microscale Southern steam decals and dry transfer lettering. The large striping on the tender is 0 scale and the other striping is H0 scale, all cut and pasted to a visually pleasing size. I was a little disappointed that for some reason I could not get the shells as glossy as I wanted before applying the decals. The unit runs well and I hope to get some video on my YouTube page soon. I am not the most talented mechanic or electrician, so I hope others can do their own conversion job, and do it better. Meantime, I have a Southern Atlantic to pull my short locals that does not look like a Reading Atlantic. You can find 3 photos in the photo album in the album Atlas Atlantic Conversion. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55000	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion for scale and Hi-rail

Hi all... Re: Atlas (Industrial Rail) Atlantic. For both scale and Hi-rail I have converted this engine to S using many of the Atlas components, with a modified AF 2-part Atlantic frame, with AF Choo-Choo and smoke unit. It does require some machining of various components, including milling down of SnS frame (for their DC motor), re-machining drivers to create open spoked drivers, and turning new steel tires of correct profile, isolating drivers. The Atlas drivers are of the correct dia for S. Re-manufacturing the Atlas trailing truck and re-machining and insulating trailing truck wheel (you can also use the AF trailing truck with the modified Atlas wheel). Atlas wheel is the correct 50" dia in S..wow!). Manufacturing a correctly spaced lead truck with the correct 30" dia wheels. In addition a back cab bulkhead, seats, crew, whistle, pop-off valves, marker lights, tender reverse light, valve gear, side rods, and misc hand grabs etc., etc. could/should be addded. The AF frame adds necessary weight, lacking in the Atlas frame, and the AF smoke/cc unit is far superior and more robust than the Atlas unit The tender trucks are a scale (S) 6" to long from axel to axel, but look just right visually and in all other respects are an accurate copy (in S) of the Pennsy tender truck. The trick is to isolate the wheels ( use the correct 36" dia S wheel sets) and truck from metal tender frame and to narrow the die-cast truck frame. I have done this and the results are all wheel pick up on tender and underslung trucks as per the prototype....looks really sharp. I am in the process of solving a few more detailing/electrical issues, before releasing the project to the public. I had no luck contacting Atlas about components/parts for their E-6...who did you speak with...any contact info /leads would be appreciated! Prevoiusly I had announced that I was interested in finding out how many would be interested in an Atlas Atlantic converted to S and solicited a response...only one individual actually contacted me. I am looking at writing a series of articles on converting engine and tender to S (both scale and Hi-Rail versions) and also trying to find out if anyone wants one converted for them? You may contact me at: t4u@... also check out my website at: http://www.trains-4-u.com/ If you request it, I will be glad to send you some mock-up photo's of the work in progress...keep in mind that these photo's may take up some band width, and be slow to download. S-Gaugingly yours, Dr. Peter Loeb, in southern Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55001	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Bar Mills

A certain smart aleck train friend sent me a private email about my situation with Bar Mills and the tavern I ordered. LOL When I see him at York next April, he is going to be sorry for that comment. Just kidding. He did give me a Marx figure for my layout. Mike Marmer Mike, I'll bet you forgot to tell them you were over 21 years old. There's an old law on th ebooks that they can't send taverns to anyone who is under the age of 21....... LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55002	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Bar Mills

Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55003	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Bar Mills

At the present time, we have every BMM S-scale kit in stock, although some are down to only a single kit left. Doug Peck Port Lines Hupply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Howard Sheffield <hjsheff@...> wrote: > > Hi MIke > > Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only > every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of > products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from > them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he > stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to > pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. > > > Howard Sheffield > Howard' S Trains >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55004	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Thanks Howard for the help. As a end user, Customer, I did not know this. That is fine, as I wish they would at least answer my email in explaining that. I know they are a main company in the train building world, but communication is key. I just had a very bad incident with a supplier, where I sent product back for exchange and I waited 6 weeks, before contacting my credit card company, after I email them many times with no answer. I got a refund, but then the product exchange came a month later! I was very embarrass with my credit card company. I had some words for the seller as he was quite nasty to me. LONG Story. Okay, I will work on something else. But I will call them, as I would like to get started on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55005	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

I have purchase my log loader from Howard. That is fine if S is not the main thing. I will send you my reply to the S list. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55006	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Sorry that email was meant for a non S train friend. I do have a few O gauge TCA friends. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills I have purchase my log loader from Howard. That is fine if S is not the main thing. I will send you my reply to the S list. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55007	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Atlas Atlantic conversions

Congratulations to you guys who have attempted this conversion! Having compared the Atlas and Flyer locos when the Atlas engine came out, I could see this would be a TOUGH job. The inside of the Atlas shell was too tight to fit the Flyer chassis and the Atlas chassis couldn't be easily regauged. I decided that it was well beyond what I wanted to do! Good show, fellows. Stumpy Stone...Mad Butcher in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55008	From: texasgunslinger44	Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Lou &Lois Templeton" <louloist@...> wrote: > > Hello, I'm looking to purchase a two button OMS sound controller that was sold by American Models. Please contact me off line if you have one for sale. > > Thanks, Lou > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I think I may have one, still new in its box. I will take a look. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55009	From: michael prell	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Mike, One of the biggest complaints presently is that of poor costomer relations. It is sad to know that taking the time to reply to a customer is such a chore. They'd reply quickly if you owed them money, but when it comes to your concerns it doesn't seem to matter. One thing this country had better re-learn quickly is that if one screws over a client, that client will go elsewhere no matter what is being sold. Raise hell, Mike. It's the squeeky wheel all over again. Make lotsa noise! It's the only time some of these places listen. Mike-fed up in Syracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 9:54 PM Thanks Howard for the help. As a end user, Customer, I did not know this. That is fine, as I wish they would at least answer my email in explaining that. I know they are a main company in the train building world, but communication is key. I just had a very bad incident with a supplier, where I sent product back for exchange and I waited 6 weeks, before contacting my credit card company, after I email them many times with no answer. I got a refund, but then the product exchange came a month later! I was very embarrass with my credit card company. I had some words for the seller as he was quite nasty to me. LONG Story. Okay, I will work on something else. But I will call them, as I would like to get started on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55010	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: AM Pacific Smoke Unit

Hi All, I just received an American Models 4-6-2 Pacific and have a question. I put a couple of drops of smoke fluid in using the little plastic dropper included with the engine. I turned on the smoke unit and ran the engine for a couple of minutes. I could not see any smoke but could smell it. I know you can over load some smoke units but I'm not sure if that's the case here. How many drops of smoke fluid should this engine take? Have I over loaded it or not loaded it enough? Thanks for the help! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55011	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion

Good idea. I have never owned a SIT unit so I did not think of that. Sorry, I forgot to sign my first post. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Rapid, if you want to spend the $$ a SIT unit with Piston Chuff could be > used, Mike > > > In a message dated 6/24/2009 12:20:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wpporter@... writes: > > > > > > Hi Rapid, > > It looks good to me. Nice work and a good way to add some variety. > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > -----Original Message----- > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf > Of rapidrail1 > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:02 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas Atlantic Conversion > > I don't know if anyone else has attempted this. I purchased a 3/16th > Atlantic shell from Atlas for $15. I also purchased the handrails and > headlight for a couple of dollars. I took an old Gilbert Atlantic chassis > and converted it to DC using an SNS motor. Some modifications had to be > made to the shell to accept the Gilbert chassis, the worst of all was I > could not figure out how to include the chuff and smoke unit. Even at that, > I think the shell rides a little high on the chassis. I hope to add a front > light and Seuth smoke unit later, but I will miss that good old American > Flyer choo choo. I used a Gilbert tender as it was very similar to the > Southern tenders. I used a River Raisin bell. The lettering is done with > Microscale Southern steam decals and dry transfer lettering. The large > striping on the tender is 0 scale and the other striping is H0 scale, all > cut and pasted to a visually pleasing size. I was a little disappointed > that for some reason I could not get the shells as glossy as I wanted > before > applying the decals. The unit runs well and I hope to get some video on my > YouTube page soon. I am not the most talented mechanic or electrician, so I > hope others can do their own conversion job, and do it better. Meantime, I > have a Southern Atlantic to pull my short locals that does not look like a > Reading Atlantic. You can find 3 photos in the photo album in the album > Atlas Atlantic Conversion. > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! > Groups Links > > > > > > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55012	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

And if any of the manufacturers/distributors/hobby shops are reading this and do business on the internet - while not a direct hobby experience I relate the following experience. In 1978 while on a Northwest Airlines flight a stewardess refused to give my wife and I milk for our infant son - stating that she had to serve everyone in order. This exposed all of the passengers around us to a screaming 7 month old for 20 minutes until she served from the back of the cabin and reached us.   The result for Northwest Airlines is that my 100000+ miles annual business travel on at least two airlines has gone to any airline but Northwest since then. I have a long memory for bad service.   Bill Drake Usually in St. Louis, but in Malmo, Sweden for a few days business. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 7:51 AM Mike, One of the biggest complaints presently is that of poor costomer relations. It is sad to know that taking the time to reply to a customer is such a chore. They'd reply quickly if you owed them money, but when it comes to your concerns it doesn't seem to matter. One thing this country had better re-learn quickly is that if one screws over a client, that client will go elsewhere no matter what is being sold. Raise hell, Mike. It's the squeeky wheel all over again. Make lotsa noise! It's the only time some of these places listen. Mike-fed up in Syracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 9:54 PM Thanks Howard for the help. As a end user, Customer, I did not know this. That is fine, as I wish they would at least answer my email in explaining that. I know they are a main company in the train building world, but communication is key. I just had a very bad incident with a supplier, where I sent product back for exchange and I waited 6 weeks, before contacting my credit card company, after I email them many times with no answer. I got a refund, but then the product exchange came a month later! I was very embarrass with my credit card company. I had some words for the seller as he was quite nasty to me. LONG Story. Okay, I will work on something else. But I will call them, as I would like to get started on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55013	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Sadly, I used Pay Pal with checking as I normally do Pay Pal with a credit card. I will call them today, as I am afraid I will get a answering machine. So, now they got me stuck on my layout, as I did not realize that Doug had the product. IF they do have any product, I would like to tell them to cancel, so I can get it from Doug. But I can do that, unless I get a live person. They did not answer my email. I had a real big fiasco with Mountainaire Precision Products, as that man was so full of crap, err, lies. But I finally got the right product. Go Syracuse Chiefs. LOL Farm team of the Lowly Nationals who are being beaten up by the evil Red Sox. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Mike, One of the biggest complaints presently is that of poor costomer relations. It is sad to know that taking the time to reply to a customer is such a chore. They'd reply quickly if you owed them money, but when it comes to your concerns it doesn't seem to matter. One thing this country had better re-learn quickly is that if one screws over a client, that client will go elsewhere no matter what is being sold. Raise hell, Mike. It's the squeeky wheel all over again. Make lotsa noise! It's the only time some of these places listen. Mike-fed up in Syracuse-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 9:54 PM Thanks Howard for the help. As a end user, Customer, I did not know this. That is fine, as I wish they would at least answer my email in explaining that. I know they are a main company in the train building world, but communication is key. I just had a very bad incident with a supplier, where I sent product back for exchange and I waited 6 weeks, before contacting my credit card company, after I email them many times with no answer. I got a refund, but then the product exchange came a month later! I was very embarrass with my credit card company. I had some words for the seller as he was quite nasty to me. LONG Story. Okay, I will work on something else. But I will call them, as I would like to get started on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55014	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: (21)234 C&O Geep Base painting

If anyone has a C&O Geep that's frame is chipped and would like it repainted, please contact me off list at marski@.... I will be doing a batch of them to include media blasting, metal etch, prime and paint to be better than new. Frames will need to be sent disassembeled. Cost to be $75 plus postage. Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55015	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit

I put a dozen in mine.........Works well. They do gobble up the fluid quickly though. Steve In a message dated 06/25/2009 8:05:44 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi All, I just received an American Models 4-6-2 Pacific and have a question. I put a couple of drops of smoke fluid in using the little plastic dropper included with the engine. I turned on the smoke unit and ran the engine for a couple of minutes. I could not see any smoke but could smell it. I know you can over load some smoke units but I'm not sure if that's the case here. How many drops of smoke fluid should this engine take? Have I over loaded it or not loaded it enough? Thanks for the help! BG1 **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55016	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Hi Mike,   ===== Sadly, I used Pay Pal with checking as I normally do Pay Pal with a credit card. =====   Actually, you are better off with PayPal as you can contact them and files a claim for non-receipt of product. Provide them with proof of the date you sent payment and they will contact the seller. Since you have never received the order, they will reimburse your account. In the event of a check or MO, the hope of ever getting the money back is zero, even if you can prove that you were cheated. ===== I will call them today, as I am afraid I will get a answering machine. =====   I have always been able to talk to a live person at PayPal. Their resolution service is the first stop though. A simple email will start the process.   ===== So, now they got me stuck on my layout, as I did not realize that Doug had the product. IF they do have any product, I would like to tell them to cancel, so I can get it from Doug.  But I can do that, unless I get a live person.   They did not answer my email. =====   Send Bar Mills a registered letter and tell them you are cancelling the order. They must sign for it and that is your proof. When you check the USPS site for delivery confirmation, you can then order the item from Doug without a problem. If they send the kit later, it becomes an unsolicited package and you are not responsible for payment.   I HATE companies that do not have the courtesy to respond to customers that want to purchase their products. True, it might be a cottage industry but the ads they pay for in all of the magazines cost more than the few minutes to answer a question.   Regards, Nick Kulp     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55017	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas Atlantic Conversion

Nice work, looks good. A vendor in the Orange Hall at York this past April said that he will be selling Atlas Atlantics converted to S-gauge hopefully in time for the October show. Keep an eye out for them there.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55018	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Bar Mills

To all--- I hope nobody gets a negative attitude toward Bar Mills Models out of all this. They are a very reputable outfit run by a small staff, and producing fine products. We're lucky to have them supporting S-scale with their great kits! I know that right now, they are out-straight preparing for the NMRA national convention and National Train Show which is in Hartford, CT, in a week. I'm sure that is definitely a top priority for them at this time! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55019	From: michael prell	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Doug, Maybe they should consider rethinking their priorities. THE CUSTOMER SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST. Mike-sweltering in Syracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 2:38 PM To all--- I hope nobody gets a negative attitude toward Bar Mills Models out of all this. They are a very reputable outfit run by a small staff, and producing fine products. We're lucky to have them supporting S-scale with their great kits! I know that right now, they are out-straight preparing for the NMRA national convention and National Train Show which is in Hartford, CT, in a week. I'm sure that is definitely a top priority for them at this time! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55020	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Paypal

Interesting thread. I have been having some problems with my credit card company (Bank of America - which is in some financial trouble itself) re paypal. I made something like 150 purchases through paypal in the last 5-7 years with no problems. However, during the last 5 months, BoA has put a hold on my credit card account four times because of charges from paypal sellers. Unfortunately, I cannot access the fraud group and my account through the internet, so have to call them each time to verify the correctness of the paypal charges (ranging from $2.95 to about $20). Although I call their "toll free" number, there are no toll free numbers from Norway so I have to pay for an international call. I have gotten a little irate at their explanations but the call yesterday took the cake. The credit card fraud group said that paypal has the most fraudulent charges they have seen and they flag charges from them, especially when the charges come from a foreign person (my last purchase was from Sweden) or they are a small amount (the latter is because frauds charge a small amount to see if it goes through, then they will charge a large amount). Well, I think I will write a note to paypal and relate the comments of the fraud group that BoA uses and see what happens. Probably nothing. Just life as usual Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Nick Kulp wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > ===== > Sadly, I used Pay Pal with checking as I normally do Pay Pal with a > credit card. > ===== > > Actually, you are better off with PayPal as you can contact them and > files a claim for non-receipt of product. Provide them with proof of > the date you sent payment and they will contact the seller. Since you > have never received the order, they will reimburse your account. In > the event of a check or MO, the hope of ever getting the money back is > zero, even if you can prove that you were cheated. > > ===== > I will call them today, as I am afraid I will get a answering machine. > ===== > > I have always been able to talk to a live person at PayPal. Their > resolution service is the first stop though. A simple email will start > the process. > > ===== > So, now they got me stuck on my layout, as I did not realize that Doug > had the product. IF they do have any product, I would like to tell > them to cancel, so I can get it from Doug. But I can do that, unless > I get a live person. They did not answer my email. > ===== > > Send Bar Mills a registered letter and tell them you are cancelling > the order. They must sign for it and that is your proof. When you > check the USPS site for delivery confirmation, you can then order the > item from Doug without a problem. If they send the kit later, it > becomes an unsolicited package and you are not responsible for payment. > > I HATE companies that do not have the courtesy to respond to customers > that want to purchase their products. True, it might be a cottage > industry but the ads they pay for in all of the magazines cost more > than the few minutes to answer a question. > > Regards, > Nick Kulp > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55021	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit

----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 I just received Pacific and have a question. I put a couple of drops of smoke fluid in [an American Models 4-6-2 ] using the little plastic dropper included with the engine. . . . . . . . . I could not see any smoke but could smell it.. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > Diagnosing a problem without actually seeing it is just guessing, but my guess is that you may have got an air bubble in the smoke inlet. Try gently poking a toothpick down the smoke stack. tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12680 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55022	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Hi All, It was not my intend to bash Bar Mills, as I hope I did not. I was getting a bit concern that two weeks have gone by with no product nor a answer to my email in asking them last week about the order, as they got paid in full. Again, I just had a pretty bad experience with a maker of train products with my grandstands, due to lack of communication and I did not want a repeat. I did call Bar Mills and all is fine. Howard mentioned that they might be a part time firm, but the webpage says they are there Monday throught Friday, 8:30 to 5. I think the owner answered the phone and he was very nice, as soon as I mentioned that I was calling from Maryland he knew who I was. He said he was going to answer my email today. I do not understand why he waited so long, but at least he was going to answer. He did tell me he was out of the taverns and they are going to run a production of 10 kits this week. I mentioned that Doug Peck said he had all of Bar Mills product in stock. He said he would refund my money if I wanted to go through Doug for the product. I asked when the production would be done. He said Monday, so I told him to go ahead and send it next week. So, all is fine, as we had a nice talk about Maine, as I go to Acadia National Park once a year, the Nationals and Red Sox, Portland Seadogs, Lobster falling market, Fryburg Fair in October, see them in the fall for a very long tour, etc. So all is good, but again, communication would of saved me the anxiety of where the product was and doing these emails, as I hope I did not scarce anyone from buying Bar Mills products, as I have seen their website for a long time for their products. I did learn he is from Queens NY and he hates the Yankees. LOL So, everything is fine. Tavern will be here soon. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55023	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Doug and Mike, The owner did not mention anything about a convention, but they did take my $132 two weeks ago for product ordered, so I do not care about a convention. All the people had to do, is email me, as he had my email address, telling his situation on the product ordered. Then I can make a intelligent decision to either wait till it is available again from them or try a vendor, like you Doug, in getting the product. Telling me they might have more priority in something else, when they have my money I think was not a correct response. I have been in sales for a long time and you have to take care of your customers, as you never know how that might effect you, like emails like this, good or bad. Maybe I am a small sale in the total picture to someone, but word of mouth advertising can be the best or worse advertising you can have. I think too many people have companies, big and small, trains or non trains, and need to take some courses in marketing, which is promoting your business and customer relations. I am not mad at Bar Mills but they could of done a little bit better. Hopefully they learn from this, as we talked about it a bit. If they send me some lobsters from Two Lights Lobster Pound in Cape Elizabeth, all is forgiven. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Doug, Maybe they should consider rethinking their priorities. THE CUSTOMER SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST. Mike-sweltering in Syracuse-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 2:38 PM To all--- I hope nobody gets a negative attitude toward Bar Mills Models out of all this. They are a very reputable outfit run by a small staff, and producing fine products. We're lucky to have them supporting S-scale with their great kits! I know that right now, they are out-straight preparing for the NMRA national convention and National Train Show which is in Hartford, CT, in a week. I'm sure that is definitely a top priority for them at this time! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55024	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Thanks Nick, as all is fine now. But you are saying that if you pay through your checking account and you do not receive the product, Pay Pal will stand behind the transaction? I actually like to use the credit card, because I get 1% back, which adds up nicely over a year, but I slipped in making the payment to the CC. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi Mike, ===== Sadly, I used Pay Pal with checking as I normally do Pay Pal with a credit card. ===== Actually, you are better off with PayPal as you can contact them and files a claim for non-receipt of product. Provide them with proof of the date you sent payment and they will contact the seller. Since you have never received the order, they will reimburse your account. In the event of a check or MO, the hope of ever getting the money back is zero, even if you can prove that you were cheated. ===== I will call them today, as I am afraid I will get a answering machine. ===== I have always been able to talk to a live person at PayPal. Their resolution service is the first stop though. A simple email will start the process. ===== So, now they got me stuck on my layout, as I did not realize that Doug had the product. IF they do have any product, I would like to tell them to cancel, so I can get it from Doug. But I can do that, unless I get a live person. They did not answer my email. ===== Send Bar Mills a registered letter and tell them you are cancelling the order. They must sign for it and that is your proof. When you check the USPS site for delivery confirmation, you can then order the item from Doug without a problem. If they send the kit later, it becomes an unsolicited package and you are not responsible for payment. I HATE companies that do not have the courtesy to respond to customers that want to purchase their products. True, it might be a cottage industry but the ads they pay for in all of the magazines cost more than the few minutes to answer a question. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55025	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Bar Mills

Bill, Great story as marketing, customer relations, communication in business, no matter how big or small is key. I am sure they meant no harm with my order, but I had no idea what was going on. Hopefully, my experience helped them and anyone else in running a business who is on this list. Just tell me your situation when I place a order. It makes a big difference. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills And if any of the manufacturers/distributors/hobby shops are reading this and do business on the internet - while not a direct hobby experience I relate the following experience. In 1978 while on a Northwest Airlines flight a stewardess refused to give my wife and I milk for our infant son - stating that she had to serve everyone in order. This exposed all of the passengers around us to a screaming 7 month old for 20 minutes until she served from the back of the cabin and reached us. The result for Northwest Airlines is that my 100000+ miles annual business travel on at least two airlines has gone to any airline but Northwest since then. I have a long memory for bad service. Bill Drake Usually in St. Louis, but in Malmo, Sweden for a few days business. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 7:51 AM Mike, One of the biggest complaints presently is that of poor costomer relations. It is sad to know that taking the time to reply to a customer is such a chore. They'd reply quickly if you owed them money, but when it comes to your concerns it doesn't seem to matter. One thing this country had better re-learn quickly is that if one screws over a client, that client will go elsewhere no matter what is being sold. Raise hell, Mike. It's the squeeky wheel all over again. Make lotsa noise! It's the only time some of these places listen. Mike-fed up in Syracuse-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 9:54 PM Thanks Howard for the help. As a end user, Customer, I did not know this. That is fine, as I wish they would at least answer my email in explaining that. I know they are a main company in the train building world, but communication is key. I just had a very bad incident with a supplier, where I sent product back for exchange and I waited 6 weeks, before contacting my credit card company, after I email them many times with no answer. I got a refund, but then the product exchange came a month later! I was very embarrass with my credit card company. I had some words for the seller as he was quite nasty to me. LONG Story. Okay, I will work on something else. But I will call them, as I would like to get started on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sheffield To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Bar Mills Hi MIke Bar Mills doesn't make a lot of the S products at a time and only every so often. He makes it clear that S is not the primary line of products for them. I have the same issues when I order stock from them. My best results were when I bought stock from him at a show he stocked up for by chance in Portland last year. Otherwise I have to pester him to produce my kits. Patience is the key. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55026	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved

Steve, As you suggested I put about a dozen drops in and it smokes ok now. The smoke is not very thick using the AM fluid supplied with the loco so I will try other smoke fluids and see which one does best. Thanks for the advice! And BTW - My Gator's are pre-season number 1! Where is your team ranked? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > I put a dozen in mine.........Works well. They do gobble up the fluid > quickly though. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 06/25/2009 8:05:44 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > bull_gator_1@... writes: > > > > > > Hi All, > > I just received an American Models 4-6-2 Pacific and have a question. I > put a couple of drops of smoke fluid in using the little plastic dropper > included with the engine. I turned on the smoke unit and ran the engine for a > couple of minutes. I could not see any smoke but could smell it. I know you > can over load some smoke units but I'm not sure if that's the case here. > How many drops of smoke fluid should this engine take? Have I over loaded it > or not loaded it enough? > > Thanks for the help! > > BG1 > > > > > > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55027	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Lots of rolling stock and locomotives for sale, HI Rail and Scale

Group, I am downsizing my residence and therefore am selling the following American Flyer (Gilbert), American Flyer (Lionel), American Models, S-Helper, Crown Models and Pacific Rail Shops rolling stock and locomotives. Also for sale is a PBL D&RG Passenger kit o Some of the PRS items are already built o ALL rolling stock and locomotives are "lightly used". o Prices exclude shipping and insurance-off-line feedback welcome o Will send pictures of any item for interested parties Jack Riely Lake St Louis, MO Member: NASG AFSGSLA B&ORRHS Item Coupler Description Type Color Manufacturer Price Item # Type KATY(MKT) Box Car #637 Box Car Yellow Gilbert AF 15.00 637 L Seaboard Box Car #642 w/Original Box Box Car Red Gilbert AF 35.00 642 L B&O Box Car #633 w/Original Box Box Car Red Gilbert AF 30.00 633 L B&O Box Car #933 Box Car White & Brown Gilbert AF 35.00 933 K GAEX Box Car #622 Box Car Green Gilbert AF 25.00 622 L Great Northern Box Car #913 Box Car Red Gilbert AF 30.00 913 K B&O "Wagontop" Wood/Metal Box Car Kit Box Car Red Leheigh Valley Models 15.00 B&O Sentinal 40' Box Car w/ Silver Roof #466377 Box Car Blue & Grey Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 466377 KD B&O Time-Saver Box 40' Box Car #470648 Box Car Red Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 KD B&O Time-Saver Box 40' w/ "Ball" Logo #467439 Box Car Blue&Orange Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 467439 KD Western Maryland Auto Box Car,Db Dr #30113 Box Car Red Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 30113 Rutland Box Car USRA SS Xm #7999 Box Car Red SHS 35.00 00141 K B&O Box Car USRA SS Xm 167051 Box Car Red SHS 35.00 00071 K Rutland Box Car USRA SS Xm #7999 Box Car Yellow SHS 35.00 399 K Reading Lighted Caboose #630 Caboose Red Gilbert AF 20.00 630 L B&O Wagontop Caboose-BRASS Caboose Red Southwind Models 150.00 KD C&NWRY w/ Girder Load #42597 w/ Orig Box Flat Car Grey&Orange Gilbert AF 30.00 42597 L C&NWRY w/ Original Log Load #42597 Flat Car Grey Gilbert AF 25.00 42597 L Monon Gondola Car #24127, converted to liink Gondola Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 24127 L FRISCO Gondola Car #641 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 15.00 641 L Delaware and Hudson (D&H) Gondola Car #916 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 25.00 916 K C&O Gondola Car w/Pipe Load(Repro) #911 Gondola Black/Grey Gilbert AF 30.00 911 K T&P Gondola Car #631 Gondola Green Gilbert AF 15.00 631 L Pennsylvania Gondola #805 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 15.00 805 K LNE Hopper Car Hopper Car Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 632 L B&O 3-car set A USRA Hopper Cars Hopper Car Black SHS 75.00 01178/N K B&O single USRA Hopper Car #320001 Hopper Car Black SHS 40.00 01178/N K B&O Composite Hb Hopper Car #31714 Hopper Car Black SHS 40.00 00765 K Jersey Central Lines Covered Hopper #924 Hopper Car-covered Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 924 K B&O #1 PS-3, 3-Bay Hopper Car #628003 Hopper Car-covered Grey SHS 35.00 01627/E K B&O #1 PS-2, 2-Bay Hopper Car #631512 Hopper Car-covered Grey SHS 35.00 00027 K West India Fruit Co. Refrigerated Car #399 Reefer Yellow Crown Models 30.00 SR-7002 K Northern Pacific Reefer #947 Reefer Orange&Red Gilbert AF 60.00 947 K Illinois Central Refrigerator Car #623 Reefer Orange Gilbert AF 25.00 623 L R.E.A. Refrigerated Car #8806 Reefer Green Lionel AF 20.00 6-48806 K FGE Steel Ice Refrigerated Car #57016 Reefer Brown & Yellow Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 2327.3 KD FGE Wood Ice Refrigerated Car #51237 Reefer Brown & Yellow SHS 35.00 K FGE Wood Ice Refrigerated Car #7048 Reefer Brown & Yellow SHS 35.00 01015 K Shell Tank Car # S.E.P.X. 8681 Tanker Black Gilbert AF 30.00 8681 L Shell Tank Car # S.E.P.X. 8681 Tanker Silver Gilbert AF 15.00 8681 L Nickel Plate 0-8-0 Switcher Steam Black Gilbert AF 150.00 342AC L B&O 2-8-2 Mikado Steam Black Lionel AF 450.00 6-48037 K D&RG Sargents Depot Kit Station PBL 30.00 **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55028	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: S Bumpers For Sale

I have 7 excellent condition 730 American Flyer green bumpers with red lights for sale. $80 for the lot postpaid. Bill Lyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55029	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] OMS sound controller

Bob, I got one from someone on the list. However Jim at texasgunslinger44 also contacted me with one for sale. I gave him your name so I hope you two can get in touch. Lou Templeton ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] OMS sound controller I could use one, too. Bob --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Lou &Lois Templeton <louloist@...> wrote: From: Lou &Lois Templeton <louloist@...> Subject: [S-Trains] OMS sound controller To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 7:43 AM Hello, I'm looking to purchase a two button OMS sound controller that was sold by American Models. Please contact me off line if you have one for sale. Thanks, Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55030	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller

Hi Jim, Thanks for the offer, but I just purchased one from another guy on the list. However, Robert Graves is also looking for one and followed my posting want ad with a me too on 6/22. ----- Original Message ----- From: texasgunslinger44 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OMS sound controller --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Lou &Lois Templeton" <louloist@...> wrote: > > Hello, I'm looking to purchase a two button OMS sound controller that was sold by American Models. Please contact me off line if you have one for sale. > > Thanks, Lou > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I think I may have one, still new in its box. I will take a look. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55031	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Lots of rolling stock and locomotives for sale, HI Rail and Scal

Hi Jack, Please resend your list, if possible, with commas between the columns. Yahoo has reformatted the thing so as to make it unreadable in less than a week. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jnr59@... Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:23 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Cc: JNR59@... Subject: [S-Trains] Lots of rolling stock and locomotives for sale, HI Rail and Scale Group, I am downsizing my residence and therefore am selling the following American Flyer (Gilbert), American Flyer (Lionel), American Models, S-Helper, Crown Models and Pacific Rail Shops rolling stock and locomotives. Also for sale is a PBL D&RG Passenger kit o Some of the PRS items are already built o ALL rolling stock and locomotives are "lightly used". o Prices exclude shipping and insurance-off-line feedback welcome o Will send pictures of any item for interested parties Jack Riely Lake St Louis, MO Member: NASG AFSGSLA B&ORRHS Item Coupler Description Type Color Manufacturer Price Item # Type KATY(MKT) Box Car #637 Box Car Yellow Gilbert AF 15.00 637 L Seaboard Box Car #642 w/Original Box Box Car Red Gilbert AF 35.00 642 L B&O Box Car #633 w/Original Box Box Car Red Gilbert AF 30.00 633 L B&O Box Car #933 Box Car White & Brown Gilbert AF 35.00 933 K GAEX Box Car #622 Box Car Green Gilbert AF 25.00 622 L Great Northern Box Car #913 Box Car Red Gilbert AF 30.00 913 K B&O "Wagontop" Wood/Metal Box Car Kit Box Car Red Leheigh Valley Models 15.00 B&O Sentinal 40' Box Car w/ Silver Roof #466377 Box Car Blue & Grey Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 466377 KD B&O Time-Saver Box 40' Box Car #470648 Box Car Red Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 KD B&O Time-Saver Box 40' w/ "Ball" Logo #467439 Box Car Blue&Orange Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 467439 KD Western Maryland Auto Box Car,Db Dr #30113 Box Car Red Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 30113 Rutland Box Car USRA SS Xm #7999 Box Car Red SHS 35.00 00141 K B&O Box Car USRA SS Xm 167051 Box Car Red SHS 35.00 00071 K Rutland Box Car USRA SS Xm #7999 Box Car Yellow SHS 35.00 399 K Reading Lighted Caboose #630 Caboose Red Gilbert AF 20.00 630 L B&O Wagontop Caboose-BRASS Caboose Red Southwind Models 150.00 KD C&NWRY w/ Girder Load #42597 w/ Orig Box Flat Car Grey&Orange Gilbert AF 30.00 42597 L C&NWRY w/ Original Log Load #42597 Flat Car Grey Gilbert AF 25.00 42597 L Monon Gondola Car #24127, converted to liink Gondola Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 24127 L FRISCO Gondola Car #641 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 15.00 641 L Delaware and Hudson (D&H) Gondola Car #916 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 25.00 916 K C&O Gondola Car w/Pipe Load(Repro) #911 Gondola Black/Grey Gilbert AF 30.00 911 K T&P Gondola Car #631 Gondola Green Gilbert AF 15.00 631 L Pennsylvania Gondola #805 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 15.00 805 K LNE Hopper Car Hopper Car Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 632 L B&O 3-car set A USRA Hopper Cars Hopper Car Black SHS 75.00 01178/N K B&O single USRA Hopper Car #320001 Hopper Car Black SHS 40.00 01178/N K B&O Composite Hb Hopper Car #31714 Hopper Car Black SHS 40.00 00765 K Jersey Central Lines Covered Hopper #924 Hopper Car-covered Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 924 K B&O #1 PS-3, 3-Bay Hopper Car #628003 Hopper Car-covered Grey SHS 35.00 01627/E K B&O #1 PS-2, 2-Bay Hopper Car #631512 Hopper Car-covered Grey SHS 35.00 00027 K West India Fruit Co. Refrigerated Car #399 Reefer Yellow Crown Models 30.00 SR-7002 K Northern Pacific Reefer #947 Reefer Orange&Red Gilbert AF 60.00 947 K Illinois Central Refrigerator Car #623 Reefer Orange Gilbert AF 25.00 623 L R.E.A. Refrigerated Car #8806 Reefer Green Lionel AF 20.00 6-48806 K FGE Steel Ice Refrigerated Car #57016 Reefer Brown & Yellow Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 2327.3 KD FGE Wood Ice Refrigerated Car #51237 Reefer Brown & Yellow SHS 35.00 K FGE Wood Ice Refrigerated Car #7048 Reefer Brown & Yellow SHS 35.00 01015 K Shell Tank Car # S.E.P.X. 8681 Tanker Black Gilbert AF 30.00 8681 L Shell Tank Car # S.E.P.X. 8681 Tanker Silver Gilbert AF 15.00 8681 L Nickel Plate 0-8-0 Switcher Steam Black Gilbert AF 150.00 342AC L B&O 2-8-2 Mikado Steam Black Lionel AF 450.00 6-48037 K D&RG Sargents Depot Kit Station PBL 30.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55032	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: OMS sound controller

I'm wanting to purchase one also. Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lou &Lois Templeton Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: OMS sound controller Hi Jim, Thanks for the offer, but I just purchased one from another guy on the list. However, Robert Graves is also looking for one and followed my posting want ad with a me too on 6/22. ----- Original Message ----- From: texasgunslinger44 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OMS sound controller --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Lou &Lois Templeton" <louloist@...> wrote: > > Hello, I'm looking to purchase a two button OMS sound controller that was sold by American Models. Please contact me off line if you have one for sale. > > Thanks, Lou > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I think I may have one, still new in its box. I will take a look. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.91/2201 - Release Date: 06/25/09 06:22:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55033	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Order

As you can see, here is a email to Bar Mills from 6-18-09. Inexcusable in not answering it until today, they told me they where going to do, as I sent them a email last weekend. I know they are most likely a great company, but just a simple response, would of gone a long way. Again, hopefully they will do better next time with a email from someone else. Again, I had emails to Mountaineer Precision Products go unanswered for months and a return exchange that took 3 months with no word. Causing a situation with a credit request for my credit card. He sure answer me quickly when he wanted his money for the product he sent, which he was entitled to. I just do not understand how some of these business stay in business with the experiences I have had in the past. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: barmillsmodels@... Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Order Hi, I placed a order with you on 6-9 for a S scale Saulena's tavern. has that been shipped yet? By the way, we come up to Maine every October for 17 days in your state, mostly in Acadia National Park, since 1987. We are no longer tourist. I have been told by many Mainers, I know more about Maine then they do. Wonderful place. Thanks. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55034	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Clayton please contact

Clayton can you contact me offline when you get a minute. My computer imploded so I have lost your direct contact. Thanks, Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55035	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved

In a message dated 06/25/2009 6:45:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bull_ga tor_1@... writes: Steve, As you suggested I put about a dozen drops in and it smokes ok now. The smoke is not very thick using the AM fluid supplied with the loco so I will try other smoke fluids and see which one does best.A-Normal1's will work the best. Thanks for the advice! And BTW - My Gator's are pre-season number 1! Where is your team ranked? 13 or 15, I don't remember. Not bad for a small town school. BG1 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@... wrote: > > I put a dozen in mine........ I put a dozen in mine........<WBR>.Works > quickly though. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 06/25/2009 8:05:44 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > bull_gator_1@ bull_gator > > > > > > Hi All, > > I just received an American Models 4-6-2 Pacific and have a question. I > put a couple of drops of smoke fluid in using the little plastic dropper > included with the engine. I turned on the smoke unit and ran the engine for a > couple of minutes. I could not see any smoke but could smell it. I know you > can over load some smoke units but I'm not sure if that's the case here. > How many drops of smoke fluid should this engine take? Have I over loaded it > or not loaded it enough? > > Thanks for the help! > > BG1 > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Make your summer sizzle with fast and eas > grill. (_http://food.http://food.<WBRhttp://food.<WBRhttp://foo_ (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55036	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: RE-SEND ROLLING STOCK AND LOCOMOTIVES FOR SALE-CORRECTED FORMAT

Group, I am downsizing my residence and therefore am selling the following American Flyer (Gilbert), American Flyer (Lionel), American Models, S-Helper, Crown Models and Pacific Rail Shops rolling stock and locomotives. Also for sale is a PBL D&RG Passenger kit o Some of the PRS items are already built o ALL rolling stock and locomotives are "lightly used". o Prices exclude shipping and insurance-off-o Prices exclude shippi o Will send pictures of any item for interested parties Jack Riely Lake St Louis, MO Member: NASG AFSGSLA B&ORRHS ROLLING STOCK: Item, Description, Color Manufacturer, Price, Item #, Coupler Type KATY(MKT)Box Car #637 Box Car Yellow Gilbert AF 15.00 637 L Seaboard Box Car #642 w/Original Box Box Car Red Gilbert AF 35.00 642 L B&O Box Car #633 w/Original Box Box Car Red Gilbert AF 30.00 633 L B&O Box Car #933 Box Car White & Brown Gilbert AF 35.00 933 K GAEX Box Car #622 Box Car Green Gilbert AF 25.00 622 L Great Northern Box Car #913 Box Car Red Gilbert AF 30.00 913 K B&O "Wagontop" Wood/Metal Box Car Kit Box Car Red Leheigh Valley Models 15.00 B&O Sentinal 40' Box Car w/ Silver Roof #466377 Box Car Blue & Grey Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 466377 KD B&O Time-Saver Box 40' Box Car #470648 Box Car Red Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 KD B&O Time-Saver Box 40' w/ "Ball" Logo #467439 Box Car Blue&Orange Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 467439 KD Western Maryland Auto Box Car,Db Dr #30113 Box Car Red Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 30113 Rutland Box Car USRA SS Xm #7999 Box Car Red SHS 35.00 00141 K B&O Box Car USRA SS Xm 167051 Box Car Red SHS 35.00 00071 K Rutland Box Car USRA SS Xm #7999 Box Car Yellow SHS 35.00 399 K Reading Lighted Caboose #630 Caboose Red Gilbert AF 20.00 630 L B&O Wagontop Caboose-BRASS Caboose Red Southwind Models 150.00 KD C&NWRY w/ Girder Load #42597 w/ Orig Box Flat Car Grey&Orange Gilbert AF 30.00 42597 L C&NWRY w/ Original Log Load #42597 Flat Car Grey Gilbert AF 25.00 42597 L Monon Gondola Car #24127, converted to liink Gondola Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 24127 L FRISCO Gondola Car #641 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 15.00 641 L Delaware and Hudson (D&H) Gondola Car #916 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 25.00 916 K C&O Gondola Car w/Pipe Load(Repro) #911 Gondola Black/Grey Gilbert AF 30.00 911 K T&P Gondola Car #631 Gondola Green Gilbert AF 15.00 631 L Pennsylvania Gondola #805 Gondola Red Gilbert AF 15.00 805 K LNE Hopper Car Hopper Car Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 632 L B&O 3-car set A USRA Hopper Cars Hopper Car Black SHS 75.00 01178/N K B&O single USRA Hopper Car #320001 Hopper Car Black SHS 40.00 01178/N K B&O Composite Hb Hopper Car #31714 Hopper Car Black SHS 40.00 00765 K Jersey Central Lines Covered Hopper #924 Hopper Car-covered Grey Gilbert AF 15.00 924 K B&O #1 PS-3, 3-Bay Hopper Car #628003 Hopper Car-covered Grey SHS 35.00 01627/E K B&O #1 PS-2, 2-Bay Hopper Car #631512 Hopper Car-covered Grey SHS 35.00 00027 K West India Fruit Co. Refrigerated Car #399 Reefer Yellow Crown Models 30.00 SR-7002 K Northern Pacific Reefer #947 Reefer Orange&Red Gilbert AF 60.00 947 K Illinois Central Refrigerator Car #623 Reefer Orange Gilbert AF 25.00 623 L R.E.A. Refrigerated Car #8806 Reefer Green Lionel AF 20.00 6-48806 K FGE Steel Ice Refrigerated Car #57016 Reefer Brown & Yellow Pacific Rail Shops 35.00 2327.3 KD FGE Wood Ice Refrigerated Car #51237 Reefer Brown & Yellow SHS 35.00 K FGE Wood Ice Refrigerated Car #7048 Reefer Brown & Yellow SHS 35.00 01015 K Shell Tank Car # S.E.P.X. 8681 Tanker Black Gilbert AF 30.00 8681 L Shell Tank Car # S.E.P.X. 8681 Tanker Silver Gilbert AF 15.00 8681 L LOCOMOTIVES Nickel Plate 0-8-0 Switcher Steam Black Gilbert AF 150.00 342AC L B&O 2-8-2 Mikado Steam Black Lionel AF 450.00 6-48037 K STRUCTURE: D&RG Sargents Depot Kit Station PBL 30.00 **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55037	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order

Michael be little more patient - its not eBay where 90% of the sellers get everything out within 4 days. I would also suggest you be careful of the legal implications of airing dirty linen and slagging businesses and individuals on the net. We know you mean no malice but you leave yourself open to missinterpretation. Keep up the other postings though! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Order As you can see, here is a email to Bar Mills from 6-18-09. Inexcusable in not answering it until today, they told me they where going to do, as I sent them a email last weekend. I know they are most likely a great company, but just a simple response, would of gone a long way. Again, hopefully they will do better next time with a email from someone else. Again, I had emails to Mountaineer Precision Products go unanswered for months and a return exchange that took 3 months with no word. Causing a situation with a credit request for my credit card. He sure answer me quickly when he wanted his money for the product he sent, which he was entitled to. I just do not understand how some of these business stay in business with the experiences I have had in the past. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: barmillsmodels@... Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Order Hi, I placed a order with you on 6-9 for a S scale Saulena's tavern. has that been shipped yet? By the way, we come up to Maine every October for 17 days in your state, mostly in Acadia National Park, since 1987. We are no longer tourist. I have been told by many Mainers, I know more about Maine then they do. Wonderful place. Thanks. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: 06/25/09 17:58:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55038	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order

Alistair, I do not think I was airing dirty linen and slagging businesses and individuals on the net. I was just telling exactly what happened, no reply to emails about my order. I can understand, that they might be out of the product, etc., but I find it inexcusable for a business not to reply OR tell a customer the situation on a order. As I said, this was my second experience of a Train business not replying to my emails this year. Since I PAID for the products $132 I think they can tell me what is going on and answer my email, as they state on their webpage they are open M-F, 8:30 AM to 5 PM. My product will be here next week which is great, but communication is key in running any business. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Order Michael be little more patient - its not eBay where 90% of the sellers get everything out within 4 days. I would also suggest you be careful of the legal implications of airing dirty linen and slagging businesses and individuals on the net. We know you mean no malice but you leave yourself open to missinterpretation. Keep up the other postings though! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Order As you can see, here is a email to Bar Mills from 6-18-09. Inexcusable in not answering it until today, they told me they where going to do, as I sent them a email last weekend. I know they are most likely a great company, but just a simple response, would of gone a long way. Again, hopefully they will do better next time with a email from someone else. Again, I had emails to Mountaineer Precision Products go unanswered for months and a return exchange that took 3 months with no word. Causing a situation with a credit request for my credit card. He sure answer me quickly when he wanted his money for the product he sent, which he was entitled to. I just do not understand how some of these business stay in business with the experiences I have had in the past. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: barmillsmodels@... Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Order Hi, I placed a order with you on 6-9 for a S scale Saulena's tavern. has that been shipped yet? By the way, we come up to Maine every October for 17 days in your state, mostly in Acadia National Park, since 1987. We are no longer tourist. I have been told by many Mainers, I know more about Maine then they do. Wonderful place. Thanks. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: 06/25/09 17:58:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55039	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order

Just the point - your intent was misinterpreted by me and could be by an aggrieved seller. Just be careful how you word things. We know you mean to help other enthusiasts by warning them of tardy sellers but your actions are sometimes precipitate and impatient and I personally would not like to see you get into trouble. Alistair Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Order Alistair, I do not think I was airing dirty linen and slagging businesses and individuals on the net. I was just telling exactly what happened, no reply to emails about my order. I can understand, that they might be out of the product, etc., but I find it inexcusable for a business not to reply OR tell a customer the situation on a order. As I said, this was my second experience of a Train business not replying to my emails this year. Since I PAID for the products $132 I think they can tell me what is going on and answer my email, as they state on their webpage they are open M-F, 8:30 AM to 5 PM. My product will be here next week which is great, but communication is key in running any business. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Order Michael be little more patient - its not eBay where 90% of the sellers get everything out within 4 days. I would also suggest you be careful of the legal implications of airing dirty linen and slagging businesses and individuals on the net. We know you mean no malice but you leave yourself open to missinterpretation. Keep up the other postings though! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Order As you can see, here is a email to Bar Mills from 6-18-09. Inexcusable in not answering it until today, they told me they where going to do, as I sent them a email last weekend. I know they are most likely a great company, but just a simple response, would of gone a long way. Again, hopefully they will do better next time with a email from someone else. Again, I had emails to Mountaineer Precision Products go unanswered for months and a return exchange that took 3 months with no word. Causing a situation with a credit request for my credit card. He sure answer me quickly when he wanted his money for the product he sent, which he was entitled to. I just do not understand how some of these business stay in business with the experiences I have had in the past. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: barmillsmodels@... Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Order Hi, I placed a order with you on 6-9 for a S scale Saulena's tavern. has that been shipped yet? By the way, we come up to Maine every October for 17 days in your state, mostly in Acadia National Park, since 1987. We are no longer tourist. I have been told by many Mainers, I know more about Maine then they do. Wonderful place. Thanks. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: 06/25/09 17:58:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55040	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Order

Alistair, Okay, I see what you where trying to say. I appreciate the concern. Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Order Just the point - your intent was misinterpreted by me and could be by an aggrieved seller. Just be careful how you word things. We know you mean to help other enthusiasts by warning them of tardy sellers but your actions are sometimes precipitate and impatient and I personally would not like to see you get into trouble. Alistair Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Order Alistair, I do not think I was airing dirty linen and slagging businesses and individuals on the net. I was just telling exactly what happened, no reply to emails about my order. I can understand, that they might be out of the product, etc., but I find it inexcusable for a business not to reply OR tell a customer the situation on a order. As I said, this was my second experience of a Train business not replying to my emails this year. Since I PAID for the products $132 I think they can tell me what is going on and answer my email, as they state on their webpage they are open M-F, 8:30 AM to 5 PM. My product will be here next week which is great, but communication is key in running any business. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Order Michael be little more patient - its not eBay where 90% of the sellers get everything out within 4 days. I would also suggest you be careful of the legal implications of airing dirty linen and slagging businesses and individuals on the net. We know you mean no malice but you leave yourself open to missinterpretation. Keep up the other postings though! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Order As you can see, here is a email to Bar Mills from 6-18-09. Inexcusable in not answering it until today, they told me they where going to do, as I sent them a email last weekend. I know they are most likely a great company, but just a simple response, would of gone a long way. Again, hopefully they will do better next time with a email from someone else. Again, I had emails to Mountaineer Precision Products go unanswered for months and a return exchange that took 3 months with no word. Causing a situation with a credit request for my credit card. He sure answer me quickly when he wanted his money for the product he sent, which he was entitled to. I just do not understand how some of these business stay in business with the experiences I have had in the past. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: barmillsmodels@... Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Order Hi, I placed a order with you on 6-9 for a S scale Saulena's tavern. has that been shipped yet? By the way, we come up to Maine every October for 17 days in your state, mostly in Acadia National Park, since 1987. We are no longer tourist. I have been told by many Mainers, I know more about Maine then they do. Wonderful place. Thanks. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: 06/25/09 17:58:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55041	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/26/2009
Subject: Rubber Gauging...Again!

I've mentioned my latest trip into insanity on CHAT, but here's the first pix of what I'm up to! See them in the PHOTOS section under BASHER STUMPY. This is a sample of "Gn15" or G scale/narrow gauge/15" gauge track. Actually this is 1/2" scale on HO track, or about double the size of On30 and S. These were small railways used mostly for industrial or agriculural operations and also amusement parks. Working in this scale/gauge combination requires a LOT of scratch building! First up is a photo of my Offenhauser powered loco, using parts from the old Monogram Midget Racer kit. Next is a more normal 15" loco using a hood from a Putt diesel and lots of plastruct shapes and sheet plastic. And finally, I've completed a few cars, a new one, a used one, and one ready for the scrap line. I use link and pin couplers. The "pins" are auto body pop rivets and the "links" are cut down paper clips. The flat cars are all built of stripwood. Bolt and rivet heads are drops of Elmer's glue and the nut and washers at the ends of the cars are paper punch "punch outs" for "washers" and a square of balsa for the "nut." The stake pockets are strips of 3x5 file card bent to shape with glue drop bolts holding them on. The figures are regular LGB size. I'm building a steam loco now, and will post photos when it's done. Cindy says these are the cutest trains I've ever built and wants more! Stumpy stone...keeping the wife happy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55042	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: Re: Clayton please contact

Sorry about that, I have not been staying up with my emails...  How are you doing Alistair?  Clayton --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Clayton please contact To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 8:36 PM Clayton can you contact me offline when you get a minute. My computer imploded so I have lost your direct contact. Thanks, Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55043	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved

I think the instructions with mine said a maximum 5 drops. I have started using LGB fluid because it works well and is cheap- an 8 ounce bottle was about12 bucks. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55044	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: FW: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved

Message elow had a typo. Qty I recall was 25 drops email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ -----Original Message----- From: Charles E. Smith [mailto:csmith290@...] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:31 AM To: 'boss31@...' Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Pacific Smoke Unit - Solved I think the instructions with mine said a maximum 5 drops. I have started using LGB fluid because it works well and is cheap- an 8 ounce bottle was about12 bucks. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55045	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/28/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 28, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 59 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55046	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/28/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 28, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55047	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/28/2009
Subject: Three collections for sale

Three people (including two widows selling their late husbands' collections) have sent me part or all of their collections for sale.  I have begun posting them on the For Sale page of my website:  http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html I will be spending the rest of the day (and evenings the next week or two!) adding more items and pictures to the website.  Check back frequently because it's first-come-first-served. As always, prices shown reflect 2008 Greenberg book values adjusted for condition.  These are not firm, fixed prices; make an offer I can't refuse! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55048	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Great starter set for sale

$250 - a great starter set! 1953 K5329 Meteor Freight Set, including all the equipment - 293 locomotive, six freight cars, track, track locks, uncoupler, and track terminal.  Most of the cars are in C-7/C-6 condition.  The caboose has two corners chipped and the NP Reefer has some small paint splotches on one side. The engine is C-5.  I haven't yet had time to diagnose why it doesn't run; the light does work and it is getting power to the brushes.  If you can fix it yourself, buy it now, before I put time and money into fixing it, because the price will go up then!  It has no paperwork or boxes. Large, high quality pictures are on my website:                  http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_sets.html NOTE: This set did not include a transformer, but I do have a 15B for sale separately. While you're there, check out my other For Sale pages.  They offer the 96x Chestnut combo and observation cars, like new 24533 track cleaning car in the original box, 944 & 945 crane and boom cars, whistling billboard, Flyonel Christmas cars, and more.  Check back often because I have a lot more to upload to the website in the coming weeks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55049	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: E-bay and "vttrainguy"

Hey, gang-it looks like my e-bay ID is compromised:anyone dealing with "vttrainguy", the ID I've had for some time, is dealing with a fake. I thought e-bay'd got me back, but I still can't access my account. So: IF YOU"RE DEALING WITH "vttrainguy", IT ISN'T JOHN MARGANSKI. Thank you-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55050	From: downtowndeco	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Ever wanted to be a kit manufacturer?

I've decided to sell the molds, masters and rights to my O Scale Rocky Flats Station. This is a hydrocal and resin kit that has been popular over the years but at this point I'd like to clear some workshop space for new HO projects. I'd give you a basic tutorial on the plaster casting process & I have a guy that does all of my resin parts that would be glad to do those for you as needed. I'm asking $2000.00 for the package. This kit sells for $70.00 but has been is kit due for a price increase for 3 or 4 years. Realistically this kit should be priced at $85.00 in todays market. That means you'll have to sell a couple dozen to break even, everything after that is gravy. http://www.downtowndeco.com/dd38.htm If you're interested contact me off list. Thanks much! Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@... 406-273-0942

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55051	From: preardon4girls	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Pull-mor

Hi All, This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? Thanks in Advance, Pat, in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55052	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

There is a glue that come with the new pull more tires. Did you order that with the new rubber tires?  Clayton --- On Mon, 6/29/09, preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...> wrote: From: preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 5:37 PM Hi All, This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? Thanks in Advance, Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55053	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

I use SuperGlue, after a THOROUGH cleaning of the rims to remove ALL old rubber. The bigger problem is that those replacement bands are no longer available! The current option, which is actually easier although it does require pulling the wheel off the axle and remounting it, is to rebuild the wheel with a new flanged rim having a vulcanized rubber tread. We have those available. Instructions are on our website,as one of the AF Repair Clinics. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > Hi All, > > This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55054	From: The Reardon's	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

Thanks Doug and Clayton, I have the bands (I purchased them at the Springfield show in 2008, and I do not recall who had them at the time). They did not come with any adhesive, so I'll use your method Doug. Thanks Again, Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor I use SuperGlue, after a THOROUGH cleaning of the rims to remove ALL old rubber. The bigger problem is that those replacement bands are no longer available! The current option, which is actually easier although it does require pulling the wheel off the axle and remounting it, is to rebuild the wheel with a new flanged rim having a vulcanized rubber tread. We have those available. Instructions are on our website,as one of the AF Repair Clinics. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > Hi All, > > This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55055	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

I have ordered some pull mor rubber for a 0-8-0 from RFG and they have not come yet, but they are all ways about one month out to get your order. You can buy it with or with out the glue.  Clayton OR  --- On Mon, 6/29/09, The Reardon's <preardon@...> wrote: From: The Reardon's <preardon@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:42 PM Thanks Doug and Clayton, I have the bands (I purchased them at the Springfield show in 2008, and I do not recall who had them at the time). They did not come with any adhesive, so I'll use your method Doug. Thanks Again, Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor I use SuperGlue, after a THOROUGH cleaning of the rims to remove ALL old rubber. The bigger problem is that those replacement bands are no longer available! The current option, which is actually easier although it does require pulling the wheel off the axle and remounting it, is to rebuild the wheel with a new flanged rim having a vulcanized rubber tread. We have those available. Instructions are on our website,as one of the AF Repair Clinics. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > Hi All, > > This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55056	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

You probably got them from me.....there are no other AF parts dealers at the Spfld show. Anyway......... After you clean ALL the old rubber off (don't leave any, or you'll have "bumps" !), snap the band in place. Then use a pin or toothpick to lift the band in one spot. Spread a bit of superglue on the exposed metal rim with a 2nd toothpick. Lower the band carefully in place (it will instantly adhere, so be sure you release it in the right spot !). Then work your way around the entire wheel in the same manner. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. Thanks Doug and Clayton, I have the bands (I purchased them at the Springfield show in 2008, and I do not recall who had them at the time). They did not come with any adhesive, so I'll use your method Doug. Thanks Again, Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55057	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/29/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

Doug do you know just how AC did the pull-mor  vulcanized rubber tread process?  Clayton  OR --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:20 PM I use SuperGlue, after a THOROUGH cleaning of the rims to remove ALL old rubber. The bigger problem is that those replacement bands are no longer available! The current option, which is actually easier although it does require pulling the wheel off the axle and remounting it, is to rebuild the wheel with a new flanged rim having a vulcanized rubber tread. We have those available. Instructions are on our website,as one of the AF Repair Clinics. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > Hi All, > > This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55058	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

Not really, but I assume it was by a standard vulcanization process, done on a small scale.....OR they farmed the process out to another manufacturer. Considering that there were major rubber and tire manufacturers in the area (Naugatuck, CT, for example), that would not surprise me. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcanization Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Doug do you know just how AC did the pull-mor  vulcanized rubber tread process? >  Clayton  OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55059	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

The Mfr. for both the Pull-mor bands and the rubber roadbed was a (now) long-defunct small rubber products "job shop" in Derby, CT-just down the river from Naugatuck (that's where the "Nauga" part of Naugahide comes from). The building is still there and has been used by Derby to garage their municipal vehicles. -John Marganski (Valley Rat Forever) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55060	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

Thanks for the info John. --- On Tue, 6/30/09, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:29 AM The Mfr. for both the Pull-mor bands and the rubber roadbed was a (now) long-defunct small rubber products "job shop" in Derby, CT-just down the river from Naugatuck (that's where the "Nauga" part of Naugahide comes from). The building is still there and has been used by Derby to garage their municipal vehicles. -John Marganski (Valley Rat Forever) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55061	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

Thanks Doug... --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 5:29 AM Not really, but I assume it was by a standard vulcanization process, done on a small scale.....OR they farmed the process out to another manufacturer. Considering that there were major rubber and tire manufacturers in the area (Naugatuck, CT, for example), that would not surprise me. See http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Vulcanization Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@.. .> wrote: > > Doug do you know just how AC did the pull-mor  vulcanized rubber tread process? >  Clayton  OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55062	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

A couple of weeks ago someone told me you were selling a product with the colorful name "Bullfrog Snot" as a substitute.  Is that true, and how well does it work in comparison to the pul-mor tires? --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:20 PM I use SuperGlue, after a THOROUGH cleaning of the rims to remove ALL old rubber. The bigger problem is that those replacement bands are no longer available! The current option, which is actually easier although it does require pulling the wheel off the axle and remounting it, is to rebuild the wheel with a new flanged rim having a vulcanized rubber tread. We have those available. Instructions are on our website,as one of the AF Repair Clinics. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > Hi All, > > This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55063	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Fw: Notification of Order

Bar Mills sent me a email today that my order is on the way! With a bonus. Don Brimmer made me a customize truck for Mike and Linda's Lobsters, Bar Harbor, Maine as that is what the lobster traps are for, as I think I have been to Acadia 40 plus times. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Fahie To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Notification of payment received Mike, Your order left today along with some extra lobster trapa, thanks for your patience with this one. Art Fahie BMSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55064	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

What Bullfrog snot.  How is it for eco-friendly, and do you need to kill the frogs? 12 frogs to one tube of glue?? Just a joke...  Clayton   --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:28 PM A couple of weeks ago someone told me you were selling a product with the colorful name "Bullfrog Snot" as a substitute.  Is that true, and how well does it work in comparison to the pul-mor tires? --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Doug Peck <doug@portlines. com> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@portlines. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:20 PM I use SuperGlue, after a THOROUGH cleaning of the rims to remove ALL old rubber. The bigger problem is that those replacement bands are no longer available! The current option, which is actually easier although it does require pulling the wheel off the axle and remounting it, is to rebuild the wheel with a new flanged rim having a vulcanized rubber tread. We have those available. Instructions are on our website,as one of the AF Repair Clinics. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > Hi All, > > This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55065	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: Pull-mor

There was a short thread about this back at the end of April. Anyone tried it since? ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: Doug Peck <doug@...> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:28:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor A couple of weeks ago someone told me you were selling a product with the colorful name "Bullfrog Snot" as a substitute. Is that true, and how well does it work in comparison to the pul-mor tires? --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Doug Peck <doug@portlines. com> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@portlines. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pull-mor To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:20 PM I use SuperGlue, after a THOROUGH cleaning of the rims to remove ALL old rubber. The bigger problem is that those replacement bands are no longer available! The current option, which is actually easier although it does require pulling the wheel off the axle and remounting it, is to rebuild the wheel with a new flanged rim having a vulcanized rubber tread. We have those available. Instructions are on our website,as one of the AF Repair Clinics. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > Hi All, > > This is probably very basic, but, I have a 293 and, I am trying to replace the pull-mor "tires". They look like black rubber bands. Can someone tell me what I should use for adhesive to keep these on the wheel rims? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55066	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2009
Subject: Re: BULLFROG SNOT LINK

_Train traction for the model trains with BULLFROG SNOT_ (http://www.bullfrogsnot.com/) Mike in OR **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55067	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Would someone asist this gentleman?

S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com; on behalf of; dradermexico@... Very nice colection I have a question : I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. THANKS . ________________________________________ Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55068	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

dradermexico@..., You need to build or have built a converter box so that the power from your 8A is converted to DC. There are plans on several Strains web sites including the Portlines hobby site. They are not hard to build and are cheap compared to buying a new transformer. American Models sells DC transformers if you wish to go that route instead. Clifford Manning Topeka, KS ---- Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> wrote: > S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com; on behalf of; dradermexico@... > > Very nice colection I have a question : > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. > THANKS . > > > ________________________________________ > Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55069	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

A DC transformer should be easy to find at most train shows or on line. Plenty used in HO. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/1/2009 3:04:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, clifma19@... writes: _dradermexico@draderm_ (mailto:dradermexico@...) , You need to build or have built a converter box so that the power from your 8A is converted to DC. There are plans on several Strains web sites including the Portlines hobby site. They are not hard to build and are cheap compared to buying a new transformer. American Models sells DC transformers if you wish to go that route instead. Clifford Manning Topeka, KS ---- Ed Eckert <_ejenterp@..._ (mailto:ejenterp@...) > wrote: > _S-Trains-owner@S-Trains-ownS-T_ (mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com) ; on behalf of; _dradermexico@draderm_ (mailto:dradermexico@...) > > Very nice colection I have a question : > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. > THANKS . > > > ____________ ____ ____ ____ > Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. > > **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55070	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

Hi Ed, if you would like to stick with the old AC Gilbert items. You can add a No 15 Directronic Rectifier to your AC transformer. The other way to go is to fined a No 14 electronic rectiformer. I have them, but I like the blue light from the rectifomer over all of them. In a dark room with the lights of the train and all the other things going on it's way cool. The light looks like UVL light. They also made some HO transformers too, but the two that I was talking about were made for the train you have. Well as far as I know - any one have any other ideas, and or am I wrong?  Clayton OR --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 2:23 PM S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com; on behalf of; dradermexico@ aim.com Very nice colection I have a question : I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. THANKS . ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55071	From: lember2004	Date: 7/1/2009
Subject: removing eyelets from trucks?

This group gave me several very effective methods for removing rivets from Gilbert trucks - such as using a 5/16" drill bit with a pilot point]. Now I'm on to rolling stock with eyelets [trucks on later 5-digit knuckle coupler cars and on pikemaster cars]. Any effective tricks for these wider [and I have found so far more stubborn] eyelets? As always, many thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55072	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

One of the oldest and most reliable DC Power Pack makers is right here in the good old USA, Model Rectifier Corporation, MRC. Their plant is in New Jersey and has been for as long as I can remember.   They have been making analog DC Power packs for model railroaders for over 50 years. They advertise on the back cover of most Model Railroader magazines. Even their used packs are extremely reliable. They also have great service.   I am not in any way affiliated with MRC but I am one of their many satisfied customers for almost 50 years.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Wed, 7/1/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 6:14 PM A DC transformer should be easy to find at most train shows or on line.  Plenty used in HO. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/1/2009 3:04:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  clifma19@... writes: _dradermexico@draderm_ (mailto:dradermexico@...) , You  need to build or have built a converter box so that the power from your 8A is  converted to DC. There are plans on several Strains web sites including the  Portlines hobby site. They are not hard to build and are cheap compared to  buying a new transformer. American Models sells DC transformers if you wish to  go that route instead. Clifford Manning Topeka, KS ---- Ed Eckert  <_ejenterp@..._ (mailto:ejenterp@...) > wrote:  > _S-Trains-owner@S-Trains-ownS-T_ (mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com) ;  on behalf of; _dradermexico@draderm_ (mailto:dradermexico@...) >  > Very nice colection I have a question : > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0  Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I  NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE  TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER  > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD  YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B  TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH  IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. > THANKS  . > > >  ____________  ____  ____  ____ > Visita  AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho  más. > > **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55073	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: removing eyelets from trucks?

Hi Mark,               Using a Needle Nose Pliers or a Linemans Pliers with a flat nose keep bending the eyelet, making it smaller and using a knockout punch, knock it through the hole. The brass eyelets are much softer than the rivets and bend easy.                                                             Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/2/09, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] removing eyelets from trucks? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 12:03 AM This group gave me several very effective methods for removing rivets from Gilbert trucks - such as using a 5/16" drill bit with a pilot point]. Now I'm on to rolling stock with eyelets [trucks on later 5-digit knuckle coupler cars and on pikemaster cars]. Any effective tricks for these wider [and I have found so far more stubborn] eyelets? As always, many thanks! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55075	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: American Flyer items for sale

I am helping three people sell their collections.  The following are in hand and ready to ship upon receipt of payment.  Pictures and more information are on my website:                 http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse!  Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. 960 Chestnut Columbus Combination Car. Ex- $215 963 Chestnut Washington Observation Car. VG $200 1953 F5329 Meteor Freight Set VG $250 (no boxes or paperwork and engine needs repair) 24533 Track Cleaning Car.  C-8 Like New in the original box with original instructions.  $48 944 Industrial Brownhoist crane car.  This is a beauty!  Ex- $70 945 Work and Boom car on plastic base.  Ex- $45 931 Texas & Pacific Gondola.  Ex- $13 740 Handcar.  VG- $65 566 Whistling Billboard with instructions in the original box. Ex $60 15B transformer. Ex  $60 sideframe assemblies for the front and back ends of an Alco diesel dummy engine; they have no power pickup shoes.  Ex $25 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55076	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Transformer poser

OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55077	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

Here's a long shot. do you have access to an ociliscope? If so test both transformers output & see what wave form you get from both.My guess is you will see a different wave form. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/2/2009 1:35:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55078	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

Hi Jim,                    You might want to check the connections on the KW.  These connect with different voltages A-U-B-C-D unlike Flyer transformers and the new Lionel CW80 the KW has various voltage cominations. For Example A-U U-D etc. You may want to move the connections until you get the correct voltage.  If you know a Lionel guy ask him.  He may know the solution.  The KW is 190 Watts and is a very strong transformer.                                                          Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer poser To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 PM OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55079	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/2/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

No, I don't have an osiliscope. I have read discussions on other forums about "pure sine wave" transformers. Is that what you're referring to? I'm sorry- this is what I mean when i refer to myself as "much less than expert!" Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:59:25 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser Here's a long shot. do you have access to an ociliscope? If so test both transformers output & see what wave form you get from both.My guess is you will see a different wave form. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/2/2009 1:35:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! ( http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55080	From: Donald Mengle	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Replacement Horn for 21207

Hi: I need to find a replacement forn for a 21207 Diesel, does anyone have one or know where I can order one. Don Mengle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55081	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Replacement Horn for 21207

If you mean the plastic roof horn, you'll find both the dull and shiny finish versions in our online AF Parts Catalog. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Mengle <mengled@...> wrote: > > Hi: > > I need to find a replacement forn for a 21207 Diesel, does anyone have one or know where I can order one. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55082	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: This week at SHS...

This week at SHS�.. We would like to thank everyone who came to our Open House two weeks ago. We had the usual party with my partner Mike grilling while Robin and Will headed up sales. Bill and I spent most of our time answering questions and running the display layout. Although things were a bit wet on Saturday, Friday was a stellar day with lots of friends and two really great clinics. Jay Soberman gave our first clinic on selective compression. The afternoon clinic had several presenters (Bill Clark, Michael Greene and Tommy Robichard) on S scale DCC sound. The four types of commonly used DCC sound units were operated. A spread sheet handout was offered listing the compared specs for each type. Both clinics were well received. A truly big surprise arrived yesterday. One of our customers sent us a video of the Open House that he posted on YouTube. It can be viewed at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUq4YOzmldc Thank you Milo� Six new painted samples arrived right before the open house. The are the 2009 GN Christmas boxcar with tree, 3M and TH&B double sheathed boxcars. The three Stock cars came too, UP, CB&Q and the new CP Rail. They can be seen and ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html Next week the new reefers are expected to leave Hong Kong. The new roadnames include: DL&W, as delivered white scheme. Prima Brewery, reefer yellow with two tone blue logo and NWX Eatmor Cranberries, gray car with large red, white and blue rectangular logo. We expect these the first week in August with the 2009 NASG convention cars. The July shipment should include the R/C switches and August the 00259 20� radius curved track. http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html An apology. Last time I thought that the MEC#1 rebuilt covered hoppers were included in the May shipment. When the cargo arrived and after further investigation, I found out that we had used these to increase the order of our very popular 2008 Christmas Car. Both Robin and I had forgotten that we asked the builder to reassign these cars. We will make these with the next run in 2010. On a positive note, all the other roadnames and numbers are now available. http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html Next week I will be heading up the NASG mfg. booth at the NMRA National Train Show in Hartford, CT. We will be displaying examples of all of our currently available equipment as well as other S Scale mfgs. If you would like to say hello, please stop by. The show is open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. You do not need to be a NMRA member. I can show you the B.T.S. American Flag Co. I have been working on the last few weeks. Robin got it for me for my birthday last month. More DCC news�. Although I love Soundtrax�s Tsunami diesel sound, with the 1 amp rating and only 4 lighting functions, we have started to look at the QSI Revolution U DCC sound decoders. They have double the stall rating and 6 lighting functions (did I hear cab lights?). Bill and I will spend a bit more time learning about them before we make the switch. We are still planning on using the Tsunamis for the 2-8-0 and our switchers. More with my next communications�. Lastly�Top 5 items purchased in June� #5 C&O rebuilt boxcars (both numbers sold out) #4 SFRD reefers (both numbers sold out, but Will found a mislabeled case of the #01828 SFRD #1 that we have a few left) #3 Wrapped Steel Coil Loads on SFC (#02058, very limited, this is the last batch) #2 Pacific Fruit Express Reefers #1 Harhoefer Packing Co. Reefers http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html Everyone enjoy the 4th, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55083	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

Are their plans for building a switch between the transformer and track that enables an operator to change from AC to DC and back with the flip of a switch? Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman?  Hi Ed, if you would like to stick with the old AC Gilbert items. You can add a No 15 Directronic Rectifier to your AC transformer. The other way to go is to fined a No 14 electronic rectiformer. I have them, but I like the blue light from the rectifomer over all of them. In a dark room with the lights of the train and all the other things going on it's way cool. The light looks like UVL light. They also made some HO transformers too, but the two that I was talking about were made for the train you have. Well as far as I know - any one have any other ideas, and or am I wrong?  Clayton OR --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 2:23 PM S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com; on behalf of; dradermexico@ aim.com Very nice colection I have a question : I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. THANKS . ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: 07/03/09 05:53:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55084	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

Thanks, Tom. That was one of the first things I did - to find out the combinations of terminal post letters for each voltage setting. I'm reasonably sure I have the fixed and variable posts identified and put a "sticky note" of the combinations on the transformer to remind me. You're right, the KW is a powerful unit, and it runs all my conventional AF locos great. The only problem I've found so far is the smoke output on the electronics-laden Flyonel Northern. My older AF conventional locos all smoke normally with it. It's not a big problem to me- just an interesting one. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 6:50:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser Hi Jim, You might want to check the connections on the KW. These connect with different voltages A-U-B-C-D unlike Flyer transformers and the new Lionel CW80 the KW has various voltage cominations. For Example A-U U-D etc. You may want to move the connections until you get the correct voltage. If you know a Lionel guy ask him. He may know the solution. The KW is 190 Watts and is a very strong transformer. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Jim Ensign < jimensign50@... > wrote: From: Jim Ensign < jimensign50@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer poser To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 PM OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55085	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

Dave, that's a good idea. I have one line that is only DC and the rest is for AC. I have five transformers that will run at the same time. If I put to work this idea you have come up with I can then put two more switches in to run all five on AC or still run the DC only.   Clayton  OR --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Dave Highfield <davidh@...> wrote: From: Dave Highfield <davidh@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 6:47 AM Are their plans for building a switch between the transformer and track that enables an operator to change from AC to DC and back with the flip of a switch? Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman?  Hi Ed, if you would like to stick with the old AC Gilbert items. You can add a No 15 Directronic Rectifier to your AC transformer. The other way to go is to fined a No 14 electronic rectiformer. I have them, but I like the blue light from the rectifomer over all of them. In a dark room with the lights of the train and all the other things going on it's way cool. The light looks like UVL light. They also made some HO transformers too, but the two that I was talking about were made for the train you have. Well as far as I know - any one have any other ideas, and or am I wrong?  Clayton OR --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Ed Eckert <ejenterp@pacbell. net> wrote: From: Ed Eckert <ejenterp@pacbell. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 2:23 PM S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com; on behalf of; dradermexico@ aim.com Very nice colection I have a question : I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. THANKS . ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: 07/03/09 05:53:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55086	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

Doing this is very simple. We used to have this on our club layout, so that we could operate either AC or DC trains. The danger is that someone throws the switch inadvertently, especially while running a DC engine. We experienced this, and fried the motor in a brass engine! I recommend instead of a toggle switch, something that requires a conscious effort to change, like a switch behind a coverplate, or a plug that has to be pulled from one jack and inserted in a different one.......in any case, well-labeled !! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com hop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...> wrote: > > > Are their plans for building a switch between the transformer and track that > enables an operator to change from AC to DC and back with the flip of a > switch? > > Dave in Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55087	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

Hi on ebay they have what was talking about, and here is a link to it. They didn't have the # 14 rectiformer at this time on the listing.  http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-15-DIRECT-RECTIFIER-M2671_W0QQitemZ350217324040QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item518a944608&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-DIRECTRONIC-RECTIFIER-NO-15_W0QQitemZ380134965825QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item5881cf4241&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50  Clayton  OR --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: Ed Eckert <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 2:23 PM S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com; on behalf of; dradermexico@ aim.com Very nice colection I have a question : I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. THANKS . ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55088	From: Rosie	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

The cw-80 has a traditional transformer on the inside. It's on the small side. The modern engines that it's made to power use less amps. A few cheap elecronics have benn added to work the horn and whistle and circuit breaker. The KW has two transformers insde, a 16 volt and 4 volt stacked in series. You can hook it up to get 4, 16, or the full 20. You have, most likely, not wired the track to the correct posts. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser No, I don't have an osiliscope. I have read discussions on other forums about "pure sine wave" transformers. Is that what you're referring to? I'm sorry- this is what I mean when i refer to myself as "much less than expert!" Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:59:25 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser Here's a long shot. do you have access to an ociliscope? If so test both transformers output & see what wave form you get from both.My guess is you will see a different wave form. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/2/2009 1:35:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! ( http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55089	From: Donald Mengle	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Roof horn for 21207 F-9

Hi : Does anyone have a junker F-9 Diesel as I need a roof horn, any help will be appreciated Don Mengle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55090	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

I purchased a K-Line O31 Big Boy with the intention of having it converted to S. Once Lionel announced their own American Flyer version, I sold the unit on eBay, but not before taking it out of the box and snapping some photos on my layout and next to a 1/64th scale drawing of a Big Boy. I have posted the pictures on the Photos page at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1119884811/pic/list Some observations: 1) You can judge for yourself how well proportioned the K-Line locomotive is for S by looking at the comparison photo showing the locomotive in profile next to the drawing, which is perfect S scale. The locomotive is essentially scale in length, although the tender appears a bit shortened. This thing is definitely not 1/58 scale as has been suggested. 2) The height of the locomotive appears a foot or two too high. This appears to have been done to allow the drivers on the rear engine to swing freely under the firebox. On the prototype, the upper portion of the back two drivers on the rear engine are tucked in behind the ashpan. This creates no operating clearance problems on the prototype, since the rear engine was rigidly fixed to the boiler. However, on a model designed to negotiate tight radius curves (the K-Line model will go around 31" diameter curves--significantly tighter than standard AF!), the rear engine almost always incorporates some type of articulation. On the K-Line and most HO models, the two engines actually pivot like diesel trucks. It would be fantastic if Lionel figured out a way to lower the boiler on the running gear to improve this appearance issue, but it may be a difficult problem to solve with 40" Gilbert curves. 3) The steam chests are significantly undersized. This may have been another concession to achieve tight turning capability on O31 track. 4) The castings are beautifully detailed, with rivets and many separately applied details such as the whistle, pop-off valves, builders plates, engineer & fireman, and hinged cab roof hatch. 5) The rod action was significantly simplified by K-Line, however Lionel has promised that the AF version will correct this. I took several other photos showing the K-Line O gauge Big Boy on my S hirail layout, with one side of wheels on the railhead, and the other overhanging the other side. You can get an idea of what this thing will look like (although the engine is not perfectly centered on the track centerline by doing this). There is also a photo showing the Big Boy next to a Gilbert Hudson. The Big Boy looks quite a bit larger for two reasons: 1) the height issue mentioned above and 2) the prototype Big Boy was probably taller than a Hudson anyway because I think tunnel clearances were probably more generous on the UP. I can't wait to get my Flyonel 4-8-8-4! Scott Griggs Louisville, KY >- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Well,, if we can can believe big L, the AF BB has been retooled and > redetailed to be compatible with S. At approximately 25² long including > tender, it is pretty close to 1/64th of the prototype. > > Roy Inman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55091	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: BHOX CAR WILLIE

_YouTube - Boxcar Willie - Walbash Cannonball_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSrEcPdA0hE&feature=related) Follow this link to a lot of great music & old RR Photos Mike in Ore **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55092	From: michael prell	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: A Safe and Meaningful Forth!

Hi, Friends, Thought I'd take this opportunity to express my thanks to all of you who have helped make this country what it is; diverse and independent! Sometimes we tend to forget what we really have and the price it cost to obtain it. 1776 started a grand experiment that has yet to play out. Hopefully the results will be positive as well as rewarding to the entire world. So, while watching fireworks and eating all of that great food, look at your kids, best friend and your neighbor and remember how we all got here and what this holiday is really all about. Mike-the old guy in Syracuse-Prell     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55093	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Nickel Plate Road 765

_YouTube - Trackside 137 - Back In Steam, Nickel Plate Road 765_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw399-5XTWE&feature=related) There are a lot of great links in this one **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55094	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: BHOX CAR WILLIE

My favorite Box Car Willie¹s pronunciation notwithstanding, I believe it is WABASH, not WaLbash... Great music and photos though :) Roy Inman on 7/3/09 5:11 PM, Mike Strickland at anormal1@... wrote: > > > > > > _YouTube - Boxcar Willie - Walbash Cannonball_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSrEcPdA0hE&feature=related) Follow this > link to a lot of great > music & old RR Photos Mike in Ore > **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place > where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55095	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Vintage Rails magazine (blatant commercialism)

A few weeks ago, we got the first twenty issues of Vintage Rails magazine as part of a trade at the hobby shop. Gary put them on eBay, and so far, no bites! The first fifteen issues of a slot car magazine brought in three bucks a copy! This amazes us as this was one of the best railroad history magazines ever produced, right up until it was absorbed into Classic Trains. (I have every issue of VR!) Vintage Rails was superior to Classic Trains in many ways, and here are the first twenty issues in excellent shape for about a buck an issue! I can't remember the item number, but if you want to learn a lot about rail history cheap, here's an opportunity. Stumpy Stone...hot tip from G&M Trains in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55096	From: rapidrail1	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: New Christmas Train photos posted.

I have placed two new videos of the North Pole Express passenger train on YouTube. One shows the train highballing around the upper level of my home layout. The second is a closeup taken in one corner. The cars and engine are all repainted Flyer with my custom made decals. I also custom printed window shadow figures on cool blue paper to give the feel of a clear cold Christmas night. Hopefully, there will be an article about these cars in an upcoming Dispatch. These will be the last of my Christmas cars until we again approach Christmas time. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcE8T5WTM8Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR_z9slomho Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55097	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/3/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

Hi Jim,                      Lionel always had the sound, but nothing smokes like Gilbert American Flyer.  If you can find someone who has a Lionel AF Steam loco, put it on the tracks and see how it smokes.  Its a mystery to me.                                     Tom Seccia   --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 10:46 AM Thanks, Tom. That was one of the first things I did - to find out the combinations of terminal post letters for each voltage setting. I'm reasonably sure I have the fixed and variable posts identified and put a "sticky note" of the combinations on the transformer to remind me. You're right, the KW is a powerful unit, and it runs all my conventional AF locos great. The only problem I've found so far is the smoke output on the electronics- laden Flyonel Northern. My older AF conventional locos all smoke normally with it. It's not a big problem to me- just an interesting one. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 6:50:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser Hi Jim, You might want to check the connections on the KW. These connect with different voltages A-U-B-C-D unlike Flyer transformers and the new Lionel CW80 the KW has various voltage cominations. For Example A-U U-D etc. You may want to move the connections until you get the correct voltage. If you know a Lionel guy ask him. He may know the solution. The KW is 190 Watts and is a very strong transformer. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Jim Ensign < jimensign50@ comcast.net > wrote: From: Jim Ensign < jimensign50@ comcast.net > Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer poser To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 PM OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55098	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: I just posted some photos of a repair on a 346 o-8-o

Hi, I replaced the rubber pull-mor & white rings on this 346 0-8-0 come see the photos. I also clocked the wheels the way we had talked about some weeks back. New wires, and smoke wick too. After the clocking was done on the wheels I put the power to it. Wow this is a Flyer for sure! This also has the old E unit so if you have never had a chance to look at one here is your chance. I put the photos under the name Clayton repair. I my add more the photos were not that good. Clayton OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55099	From: Al	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: WANTED: 6-wheel link and knuckle coupler trucks needed.

Hi Guys, If you have any unused 6-wheel link-coupler trucks or 6-wheel knuckle-coupler trucks from heavyweight passenger cars, I would like to buy them from you or trade you some 6-wheel trucks that came from 322, 324. 332. or 336 tenders. I am in need of a dozen trucks of each type like mentioned above. Let me know if you have any for sale or trade. I have photos of these trucks available. Thanks, Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55100	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: A Safe and Meaningful Fourth!

Hi all: Will celebrate it here in Norway, but it is a little different than being in the US. Watching the John Adams series on the tube points out that we have always had our differences in the US but could work things out. Hopefully this happens even now. regards to all Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Interesting about the frog juicer, but at ~$70 a switch, a little pricey. michael prell wrote: > > > Hi, Friends, > Thought I'd take this opportunity to express my thanks to all of you > who have helped make this country what it is; diverse and independent! > Sometimes we tend to forget what we really have and the price it cost > to obtain it. 1776 started a grand experiment that has yet to play > out. Hopefully the results will be positive as well as rewarding to > the entire world. > So, while watching fireworks and eating all of that great food, look > at your kids, best friend and your neighbor and remember how we all > got here and what this holiday is really all about. > Mike-the old guy in Syracuse-Prell > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55101	From: texasgunslinger44	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: K-line O gauge Big Boy

I wish I could afford one and I wish I had pre-ordered one. That thing is awesome. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > I purchased a K-Line O31 Big Boy with the intention of having it converted to S. Once Lionel announced their own American Flyer version, I sold the unit on eBay, but not before taking it out of the box and snapping some photos on my layout and next to a 1/64th scale drawing of a Big Boy. I have posted the pictures on the Photos page at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1119884811/pic/list > > Some observations: > > 1) You can judge for yourself how well proportioned the K-Line locomotive is for S by looking at the comparison photo showing the locomotive in profile next to the drawing, which is perfect S scale. The locomotive is essentially scale in length, although the tender appears a bit shortened. This thing is definitely not 1/58 scale as has been suggested. > > 2) The height of the locomotive appears a foot or two too high. This appears to have been done to allow the drivers on the rear engine to swing freely under the firebox. On the prototype, the upper portion of the back two drivers on the rear engine are tucked in behind the ashpan. This creates no operating clearance problems on the prototype, since the rear engine was rigidly fixed to the boiler. However, on a model designed to negotiate tight radius curves (the K-Line model will go around 31" diameter curves--significantly tighter than standard AF!), the rear engine almost always incorporates some type of articulation. On the K-Line and most HO models, the two engines actually pivot like diesel trucks. It would be fantastic if Lionel figured out a way to lower the boiler on the running gear to improve this appearance issue, but it may be a difficult problem to solve with 40" Gilbert curves. > > 3) The steam chests are significantly undersized. This may have been another concession to achieve tight turning capability on O31 track. > > 4) The castings are beautifully detailed, with rivets and many separately applied details such as the whistle, pop-off valves, builders plates, engineer & fireman, and hinged cab roof hatch. > > 5) The rod action was significantly simplified by K-Line, however Lionel has promised that the AF version will correct this. > > I took several other photos showing the K-Line O gauge Big Boy on my S hirail layout, with one side of wheels on the railhead, and the other overhanging the other side. You can get an idea of what this thing will look like (although the engine is not perfectly centered on the track centerline by doing this). There is also a photo showing the Big Boy next to a Gilbert Hudson. The Big Boy looks quite a bit larger for two reasons: 1) the height issue mentioned above and 2) the prototype Big Boy was probably taller than a Hudson anyway because I think tunnel clearances were probably more generous on the UP. > > I can't wait to get my Flyonel 4-8-8-4! > > Scott Griggs > Louisville, KY > > > >- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > Well,, if we can can believe big L, the AF BB has been retooled and > > redetailed to be compatible with S. At approximately 25² long including > > tender, it is pretty close to 1/64th of the prototype. > > > > Roy Inman > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55102	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: BAR MILLS!!

My Tavern from Bar Mills came yesterday, as the owner said, he included a extra set of Lobster traps for me. I have never gotten a kit from Bar Mills before, but it came packed in a very nice wooden box, with a sliding lid. I am sure that caused the price of the kits to go up a bit. LOL Anyway, there are ALOT of pieces in this kit and that will keep me busy for a while. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55103	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

Hi Jim,                I just found a Lionel Instruction book.  Low Track Voltage connections are; D-C-A or B,  High Track Voltage connections are D-U-A or B.  If you are using a ZW connection, it is different than a KW.  Not sure if you have tried this connection.  Hope this helps.                                   Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer poser To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 PM OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55104	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: safe switching between AC & DC

Eeeech! Doug's description of the fried DC motor in what I assume is a beautiful brass piece has me cringing. Other than handcuffing people, there can be various ways to prevent this from occurring. These are only initial thoughts & have to be fleshed out: 1. With one transformer, a circuit based on perhaps a pair of relays would ONLY enable switching (via a momentary switch) to or from the DC mode when NO POWER is applied to tracks. Suitable visual and or aural indicators would confirm the mode that's operational. A secondary operational choice could be that the system would have a default state (I suppose AC) so that when the layout's master power switch is turned OFF, it automatically reverts to AC control. Thusly stopping the train or trains would not cause a reset. 2. Something akin to 1 would be done BUT WITH 2 transformers: if one's feeding voltage to the track, the other cannot. If both are feeding, then NOTHING reaches the track. The reason that I prefer #2 is because the two "trannies" could be conspicuously marked "AC" & "DC" & thus further reduce the chance of absent mindedness-caused damage. Years ago I designed something like this for the purpose of being able to preset blocks of tracks with different voltages. I wired it for an upper level that had extreme varied elevations. An incline or decline could yield mock constant speeds. The mode could only be entered when voltage was applied to the tracks. Therefore, no abrupt starts could occur if the loco happened to be parked where the voltage might jump if the circuit were to be activated. The default condition was SINGLE ZONE: the momentary switch activated a relay that was wired to de-latch when power was cut. This was in lieu of digital control, which I did not want then and am unwilling to undertake now. Perhaps a year ago some circumstance arose to motivate me to change my Yahoo password & perhaps even name. I stashed that info somewhere that I can't recall & therefore cannot post to the archives. Besides, whatever I might initially suggest might have technical and or conceptual errors, and, or someone might make some helpful constructive changes & or additions. So if anyone's interested in collaborating with me, we might work it out, test it & then post it. I could at the very least, provide the basics from which someone might springboard into a useful configuration. Note to Doug Peck: I've NOT forgotten about the matter of standardizing the 688 modifications: I merely lowered the priority of the matter relative to the other kettles that I'm stirring in the various aspects of my existence. I consider it an accomplishment that I even read the digest and occasionally reply. Woof! Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55105	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: I just posted some photos of a repair on a 346 o-8-o

Hi Clayton,   I put the photos under the name Clayton repair. I my add more the photos were not that good. Nice job. I am curious as to how you managed to get a shot of my workbench ?<grin>   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55106	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

Hadn't come across the three-post combinations. Will try them and see if there's a difference. Thanks. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 8:57:35 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser Hi Jim, I just found a Lionel Instruction book. Low Track Voltage connections are; D-C-A or B, High Track Voltage connections are D-U-A or B. If you are using a ZW connection, it is different than a KW. Not sure if you have tried this connection. Hope this helps. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Jim Ensign < jimensign50@... > wrote: From: Jim Ensign < jimensign50@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer poser To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 PM OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55107	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: No 15 Directronic Rectifier

I bought a No 15 Directronic Rectifier a while back but have never hooked it up.  An Electrical Engineer in my train club told me it's too old to operate correctly; he wouldn't trust a DC engine of his to it because the capacitor inside would be long gone.  After seeing this message, I hooked it up and tested it with my voltmeter and it seems fine.  Is there more to it than that, or is our EE mistaken?  Should my Rectifier be usable or not?  Is it a high risk? --- On Wed, 7/1/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 10:08 PM  Hi Ed, if you would like to stick with the old AC Gilbert items. You can add a No 15 Directronic Rectifier to your AC transformer. The other way to go is to fined a No 14 electronic rectiformer. I have them, but I like the blue light from the rectifomer over all of them. In a dark room with the lights of the train and all the other things going on it's way cool. The light looks like UVL light. They also made some HO transformers too, but the two that I was talking about were made for the train you have. Well as far as I know - any one have any other ideas, and or am I wrong?  Clayton OR --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Ed Eckert <ejenterp@pacbell. net> wrote: From: Ed Eckert <ejenterp@pacbell. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 2:23 PM S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com; on behalf of; dradermexico@ aim.com Very nice colection I have a question : I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. THANKS . ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55108	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

I saw a CW-80 taken apart down at my local Lionel train shop. They were trying to add a beefier heat sink to keep it from overheating and ruining yet another cooling fan. What I saw was anything but a traditional transformer. At least not like any of the AF transformers I've worked on (an 18B, a 12B, and an 8B. I have hooked it up the KW according to the directions supposedly out of the Lionel manuals, but there's always the possibility that they are wrong. I'm reminded that it's never safe to assume all info on the internet is accurate!! Thanks for your suggestions. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosie" <rosegirl88@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 1:50:10 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser The cw-80 has a traditional transformer on the inside. It's on the small side. The modern engines that it's made to power use less amps. A few cheap elecronics have benn added to work the horn and whistle and circuit breaker. The KW has two transformers insde, a 16 volt and 4 volt stacked in series. You can hook it up to get 4, 16, or the full 20. You have, most likely, not wired the track to the correct posts. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser No, I don't have an osiliscope. I have read discussions on other forums about "pure sine wave" transformers. Is that what you're referring to? I'm sorry- this is what I mean when i refer to myself as "much less than expert!" Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:59:25 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser Here's a long shot. do you have access to an ociliscope? If so test both transformers output & see what wave form you get from both.My guess is you will see a different wave form. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/2/2009 1:35:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! ( http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55109	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: No 15 Directronic Rectifier

Well , He is kind of right , what he was probably talking about is that the old selenium plate rectifier is not something to trust because of it's age , as they were not really too good when they were new , yes it might still work but as it heats up it will smell & the DC it makes won't be all that good for your motors & they may run hot due to the DC not being as much DC as it could be letting some AC get through . A better fix is to take the plate rectifier out of the circuit but leave it on the frame just for looks & mount at a least a 25 amp bridge on the underside & wire it in place of the plate rectifier , this will do a better job & run lots cooler , I have done this & it works good. Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55110	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Hi everyone, A couple days ago I put the American Flyer Factory Service Manual online for viewing. The manual now posted on my website is over 400 pages in length, and has been compiled from several factory service manuals. These manuals were used in actual Gilbert American Flyer Service stations, and are 50 years or so old. Some of the pages are are thus faded, torn, have finger prints, and even have notes that were hand written on them by the service technicians! I will be filling in holes as I am able to find additional pages. All pages are clickable to get larger or smaller versions. I hope you enjoy this and thanks to Bob Conner who provided the manuals for scanning. Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55111	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Beeeutiful job as usual. If it were me. I would watermark the images though to protect your hard work. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Harrington Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55112	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/5/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55113	From: Rosie	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer poser

The Lionels are inexpensive transformers. There's nothing special about the power source inside.. Under the buttons is the circuit board for direction, horn, and whistle. There's also a pot for voltage regulation. None of those parts are cutting edge. The mere fact it needs heats sinks and fans idicates it's not up to the job. A Lionel 2 motor diesel, of '50's vintage, may pull 4 amps or more. Tha'st more than that little unit should handle. We've had problems with them overheating. They're best suited to mordern DC motors and electronic e-units. The new 2 motor engines we've tested use less than 2 amps. It's a similar situation with the K-Line and small MRC transformers. The transformer itself doesn't fail, it's too small for the load and the circuitry around it fails. We've gutted transformers and used the power sources for fixed applications, such as lights or dedicatedd to one accessory. They are just not worth repairing for their original application. The K-Lines are especially problematic. The American Model transformer, I have used, has never experienced problems. I has a manual resetting breaker and reacts rather quickly. What people might not like is the lack of a direction and on/off switch. But, it will work a honk and whistle and I feel it's under rated at 80 watts. I don't what's on the inside. I never had to open one. Test the 20v posts, at full throttle, against the 16v and the 4v, with a test lamp. It may be the 4v is not in the circuit. With a meter you should get 3 different voltages. I've tested KW's and ZW's using AF and Lionel modern engines. All the engines smoked when and where they were suppose to. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser I saw a CW-80 taken apart down at my local Lionel train shop. They were trying to add a beefier heat sink to keep it from overheating and ruining yet another cooling fan. What I saw was anything but a traditional transformer. At least not like any of the AF transformers I've worked on (an 18B, a 12B, and an 8B. I have hooked it up the KW according to the directions supposedly out of the Lionel manuals, but there's always the possibility that they are wrong. I'm reminded that it's never safe to assume all info on the internet is accurate!! Thanks for your suggestions. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosie" <rosegirl88@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 1:50:10 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser The cw-80 has a traditional transformer on the inside. It's on the small side. The modern engines that it's made to power use less amps. A few cheap elecronics have benn added to work the horn and whistle and circuit breaker. The KW has two transformers insde, a 16 volt and 4 volt stacked in series. You can hook it up to get 4, 16, or the full 20. You have, most likely, not wired the track to the correct posts. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser No, I don't have an osiliscope. I have read discussions on other forums about "pure sine wave" transformers. Is that what you're referring to? I'm sorry- this is what I mean when i refer to myself as "much less than expert!" Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:59:25 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer poser Here's a long shot. do you have access to an ociliscope? If so test both transformers output & see what wave form you get from both.My guess is you will see a different wave form. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/2/2009 1:35:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: OK, here's a poser for you. I know there are several of you with electronics backgrounds on here much more expert than I... I recently purchased a Lionel KW transformer on ebay. It was in good shape and really only needed some replacement handles, new carbon rollers and a thorough cleaning. I'd been looking for a Lionel dual for my son's O gauge set-up so he could run two trains. Got the project done and the transformer works beautifully. I put it on my AF layout to try it out and everything works fine, except.... (You KNEW there would be an "except" in here, didn't you?) When I run the loop that has my Flyonel UP Northern on it, the loco runs great and the whistle will blow, but it barely smokes. Only when the transformer is cranking out close to the 20 volts and the Northern is flying, does it really start to put out smoke. Normally, I run that loop with a single Lionel CW-80 transformer to take advantage of it's separate whistle and horn buttons. And normally, the Northern smokes with the first "chug", and from then on, even at slower speeds. So I put the CW-80 back on the loop to make sure it was the KW and not the loco's problem. Sure enough, smoke poured out at a low speed. Tried the KW again, and again, the loco runs great ... but hardly any smoke. So what do you guys think? Is it because the CW-80 is a modern transformer and full of electronic gobbledy-gook as opposed to the old wiper-on-coil KW ? Jim E. - Puzzled in Colorado **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55114	From: herbw202	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Manual

I'm sure that you will take steps to protect your hard work. You know who is a real sleazeball for lifting your catalogs. I ( and lots of others) appreciate your efforts.' Best regards, Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55115	From: John	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Hi Chuck Have you thought about creating a CD or DVD with the manuals on it and charging a small fee for it? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Harrington To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online! Hi everyone, A couple days ago I put the American Flyer Factory Service Manual online for viewing. The manual now posted on my website is over 400 pages in length, and has been compiled from several factory service manuals. These manuals were used in actual Gilbert American Flyer Service stations, and are 50 years or so old. Some of the pages are are thus faded, torn, have finger prints, and even have notes that were hand written on them by the service technicians! I will be filling in holes as I am able to find additional pages. All pages are clickable to get larger or smaller versions. I hope you enjoy this and thanks to Bob Conner who provided the manuals for scanning. Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55116	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

I agree with the other comments requesting that this manual be made available on a DVD for our use and we would gladly pay a reasonable amount for it. I know I sure would. Please let us know if you can do this and how we can order one! Tom Detmer Chuck Harrington wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > A couple days ago I put the American Flyer Factory Service Manual > online for viewing. > > The manual now posted on my website is over 400 pages in length, and > has been compiled from several factory service manuals. These manuals > were used in actual Gilbert American Flyer Service stations, and are > 50 years or so old. Some of the pages are are thus faded, torn, have > finger prints, and even have notes that were hand written on them by > the service technicians! > > I will be filling in holes as I am able to find additional pages. All > pages are clickable to get larger or smaller versions. > > I hope you enjoy this and thanks to Bob Conner who provided the > manuals for scanning. > > Chuck Harrington > http://www.myflyertrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55117	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Would someone asist this gentleman?

You can follow a couple options. 1) go to Paul York's website and make the rectifier he shows there 2) Look on the S Helper Service web site and buy the DC supply they show. You might want to verify with SHS that their power supply has enough current capacity for a DC motor. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55118	From: not2lance	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

The blue light from a rectiformer Clayton describes sounds pretty cool... It is also original Gilbert AF. The AC to DC conversion I used is not so fancy, but it is lots cheaper than a rectiformer. The fellow ought to be able to buy a 6 amp bridge rectifier for less than $1.00 (http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/110/Bridge-Rectifiers/1.html). With a box and DPDT switch (for reversing direction), the total cost should be less than $10. With few exceptions, the gentlemen can run everything on DC. All the motors work as well with DC as AC. There may be some action cars or sound systems that need AC, otherwise, there is no reason to use AC at all. Lance McCold Knoxville, TN --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Eckert" <ejenterp@...> wrote: > > S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com; on behalf of; dradermexico@... > > Very nice colection I have a question : > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. > THANKS . > > > ________________________________________ > Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55119	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Great job! Thanks. Do you, or does anyone, have the wiring diagram for a Silver Flash 481 PA? With roar, diesel horn and one power truck. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55120	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

Also as you power up the train the the blue light from the tube on top of the transformer gets brighter...  Clayton  OR The blue light from a rectiformer Clayton describes sounds pretty cool... It is also original Gilbert AF. The AC to DC conversion I used is not so fancy, but it is lots cheaper than a rectiformer. The fellow ought to be able to buy a 6 amp bridge rectifier for less than $1.00 (http://www.allelect ronics.com/ make-a-store/ category/ 110/Bridge- Rectifiers/ 1.html). With a box and DPDT switch (for reversing direction), the total cost should be less than $10. With few exceptions, the gentlemen can run everything on DC. All the motors work as well with DC as AC. There may be some action cars or sound systems that need AC, otherwise, there is no reason to use AC at all. Lance McCold Knoxville, TN --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Ed Eckert" <ejenterp@.. .> wrote: > > S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com; on behalf of; dradermexico@ ... > > Very nice colection I have a question : > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. > THANKS . > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55121	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

Very good! Your efforts to provide a handy reference for everyone who repairs their own Flyer stuff is much appreciated. I have the K-line repair book, but it leaves many questions and the drawings are too small to decypher in many cases. I agree with others here that your efforts should be protected from the would be vultures out there. Having been robbed as an author many years ago, I go to the trouble of copyrighting even my unpublished stories and novels as well as artwork I have created. Making it known when you e-published this material, and who was involved in presenting it DOES establish you as producing it first, which can be valuable in any possible question of this type. Keep up the excellent work, you and Bob are to be commended for your service to the hobby! Stumpy Stone...having watched my brother-in-law blow up his yard for the holiday...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55122	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Murray Railway Modellers

The photos of our Show last May are now on our website - http://www.murrayrailwaymodellers.com/ - just click on the link on the left - 2009 Photos. There are even some of my portable AF layout! Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55123	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Murray Railway Modellers

Thanks for the photos John!  Clayton  OR --- On Sun, 7/5/09, John & Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> wrote: From: John & Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Murray Railway Modellers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 2:47 AM The photos of our Show last May are now on our website - http://www.murrayra ilwaymodellers. com/ - just click on the link on the left - 2009 Photos. There are even some of my portable AF layout! Regards, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55124	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

I got a cd of the parts views, instruction and catalogs on Ebay. I also downloaded a more complete set about a year ago. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Very good! Your efforts to provide a handy reference for everyone who repairs their own Flyer stuff is much appreciated. I have the K-line repair book, but it leaves many questions and the drawings are too small to decypher in many cases. > I agree with others here that your efforts should be protected from the would be vultures out there. Having been robbed as an author many years ago, I go to the trouble of copyrighting even my unpublished stories and novels as well as artwork I have created. > Making it known when you e-published this material, and who was involved in presenting it DOES establish you as producing it first, which can be valuable in any possible question of this type. > Keep up the excellent work, you and Bob are to be commended for your service to the hobby! > Stumpy Stone...having watched my brother-in-law blow up his yard for the holiday...in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55125	From: ai2q	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Train in a tornado

I thought some of you might enjoy this clip of a train in a tornado. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82d_1246651100

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55126	From: Don	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Off topic

Found this on the web. Off topic but amazing video. Freight train versus tornado... Don Bladen May have to copy/paste to your browser. (I'm not very computer literate) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82d_1246651100&p=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55127	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Off topic

Nice clip Don thank you!  Wow, that was just like on my layout, and now I know why....  Clayton  OR --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Don <niblick_32966@...> wrote: From: Don <niblick_32966@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 6:35 AM Found this on the web. Off topic but amazing video. Freight train versus tornado... Don Bladen May have to copy/paste to your browser. (I'm not very computer literate) http://www.liveleak .com/view? i=82d_1246651100 &p=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55128	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: 4 wheel S trucks for sale & 3/16s O wanted

Hi Gang, "A" Lionel: TWO MINT removed from ore dump car, one has brass contact ass'y, top slightly bent from pounding out the rivet Gilbert: "B" THREE knuckle type kunckles lock & open properly, 8 of 12 wheels missing "C" SIX link brass weights all wheels & journals present "D" SIX link black weight 8 of 24 wheels missing "E" TWO link early THIN SHANK with diecast journals all wheel present "F" ONE early THIN SHANK NO journals (possibly never installed) & NO wheels "G" TWO link THICK SHANK no weights all wheels present I'll consider offers for ALL or some of these by lettered grouping & will be pleased to make & send scans so that you can view before purchasing them. For all of the Gilbert parts: any extant rust is very superficial. AF 3/16s O wanted in at least STRONG EXC: 492 remote mail cars, with or without boxes, controllers & track sections: red, blue & tuscan 481 wrecker with GREY boom Art "Shiffy" Shifrin www.shifrin.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55129	From: michael prell	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: BAR MILLS!!

Mike, I'm glad that things finally worked out for you. About a year ago I received a martial arts catalog from a very good company and after years of debate decided to finally purchase a good quality katana. One that would be both functional and worthy of display. The catalog said to expect delivery in four to six weeks. It arrived several months later, after several calls and letters to the owners.Patience may be a virtue, but that was a stretch! Happy Fifth! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] BAR MILLS!! To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 11:22 AM My Tavern from Bar Mills came yesterday, as the owner said, he included a extra set of Lobster traps for me. I have never gotten a kit from Bar Mills before, but it came packed in a very nice wooden box, with a sliding lid. I am sure that caused the price of the kits to go up a bit. LOL Anyway, there are ALOT of pieces in this kit and that will keep me busy for a while. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55130	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

Hi Stumpy,                         I just put together a new Parts & Service book.  It has mostly all of the views that Chuck just put on the internet.  I can tell you he put a great deal of time and effort to do that,  My new book has a copyright.  I've edited all the text under the original exploded views to correct the errors of the A.C. Gilbert Factory Manual. For example a 285 did not have Pull Mor wheels and does not us an XA13B894 Smoke Unit.  I've also added views of rolling stock and passenger cars which Gilbert did not do.  Book is 200 Pages. Spiral bound for the workbench. 8-1/2 x 11 so views are easier to see. Book includes repair instructions that are not in the K-Line book or in the Gilbert Factory Manual.   It does not include some of the things that Chuck put on his site. Price for the book is $24.95 plus $2.95 S&H via Media Mail. Any questions please contact me seccia@....                                                        Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 8:14 AM Very good! Your efforts to provide a handy reference for everyone who repairs their own Flyer stuff is much appreciated. I have the K-line repair book, but it leaves many questions and the drawings are too small to decypher in many cases. I agree with others here that your efforts should be protected from the would be vultures out there. Having been robbed as an author many years ago, I go to the trouble of copyrighting even my unpublished stories and novels as well as artwork I have created. Making it known when you e-published this material, and who was involved in presenting it DOES establish you as producing it first, which can be valuable in any possible question of this type. Keep up the excellent work, you and Bob are to be commended for your service to the hobby! Stumpy Stone...having watched my brother-in-law blow up his yard for the holiday...in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55131	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Would someone asist this gentleman?

481 "A" Unit Wire Diagram is on page 192 in my Parts or Service Book or I believe it is in the Factory Manual just put on the internet by Chuck Harrington.                                                  Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 7/4/09, not2lance <lancemccold@...> wrote: From: not2lance <lancemccold@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Would someone asist this gentleman? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 10:29 PM The blue light from a rectiformer Clayton describes sounds pretty cool... It is also original Gilbert AF. The AC to DC conversion I used is not so fancy, but it is lots cheaper than a rectiformer. The fellow ought to be able to buy a 6 amp bridge rectifier for less than $1.00 (http://www.allelect ronics.com/ make-a-store/ category/ 110/Bridge- Rectifiers/ 1.html). With a box and DPDT switch (for reversing direction), the total cost should be less than $10. With few exceptions, the gentlemen can run everything on DC. All the motors work as well with DC as AC. There may be some action cars or sound systems that need AC, otherwise, there is no reason to use AC at all. Lance McCold Knoxville, TN --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Ed Eckert" <ejenterp@.. .> wrote: > > S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com; on behalf of; dradermexico@ ... > > Very nice colection I have a question : > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR IT STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER BUT NOT WORKIN T HE TRANSFORMER IS ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLI AND I SUPOST I NEED DC TRANSFORMER > I HAVE A Series 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Switcher Locomotive 342DC COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TRANSFORMER I NEED FOR THIS STEAM TRAIN. BECAUSE I HAVE A 8B TRANSFORMER WITH ALTERNATING CURRENT ONLY, BUT THE TRAIN DOESNTI WORK WITH IT.I THINK I MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER WITH DC. > THANKS . > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Visita AOL.com.mx: E-mail, AIM, noticias, deportes, entretenimiento y mucho más. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55132	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Never mind. I found a few copies of it among my reference materials - at the bottom of a page in the K-line book for one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55133	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/5/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55134	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

Thanks everyone for your kind words about the online manual! I have to say that I had not expected or considered that I would get some of the responses I have gotten, but would like to respond to the themes that I should sell it on CD, I should watermark it to protect it and others already providing this manual on book or CD. Also, it was said that Gilbert made errors in the original manual. I am not in the "selling it" business. I even took the banner ads off the website that used to cover some of the costs of providing it, preferring to simply handle the costs myself and have greater freedom to do what I wanted. Others "are" in the selling business, and they are welcome to everything that goes with being in the selling business, and having run a small software company once, I am real happy to not be in the selling business. I am not sure really why I made this website, but it does contain years of work and it is something that I take pride in. A few CDs would probably hold all of it's content, and then I could just shut the website down and go do something else I guess. Nobody lives forever, and I suppose that will happen someday, at least the shutting down the website part. ;-) For now, I enjoy having the website. I knew when I put the factory manual up, that it was already all over the place. The K-line book, the Greenberg book, the Hobby Surplus books, and parts of it free online at several websites, even before mine went up. When it comes to the manual, I am really doing a "me too" thing here. (I can tell you if you want the whole thing on paper, that Fred Jester had some pretty complete stacks of paper at York at a very reasonable price) Even though I found many of my catalog scans on another website, I chose not to watermark the repair manual pages. With many of the manual pages already all over the place, I would hope that anyone who wishes to sell the manual, will scan the pages their self. When I put the manual up, I was not sure how many people would find it useful. I have found the "if you build it they will come thing" often not apply to website features, as many new features like my recent soon to be history "flyer buys" idea just didn't catch on. One of the advantages I have over some of these other methods of publishing the Factory Manual, is that any time I get some new manual pages, I just upload them and do not worry about the books or CDs already published. A website is dynamic and can change and grow at will. My copy of The Service Manual will eventually be indexed, for quick access to what ever you are looking for. For now, Bob Conner loaned me a 1 foot high pile of Gilbert paper that I am trying to work my way through and scan. It is a daunting task, but a wonderful problem! Finally, the information is offered for entertainment and historical reference only. If A. C. Gilbert made any errors in what is written on those pages, then beware before you go soldering on your 50 year old trains! ;-) In short, if you like having the manual online great! I like providing it to you and hope to make it better in the future. It is what I do, and I am grateful when ever anyone visits my website. I really am! If you prefer to have the manual in paper or CD form, it is also available that way, all over the place. Isn't it great to have so many choices! Thanks again! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs online and now, American Flyer Factory Manual online! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55135	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

Chuck, THNX again! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, S-9, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harrington Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online Thanks everyone for your kind words about the online manual! I have to say that I had not expected or considered that I would get some of the responses I have gotten, but would like to respond to the themes that I should sell it on CD, I should watermark it to protect it and others already providing this manual on book or CD. Also, it was said that Gilbert made errors in the original manual. I am not in the "selling it" business. I even took the banner ads off the website that used to cover some of the costs of providing it, preferring to simply handle the costs myself and have greater freedom to do what I wanted. Others "are" in the selling business, and they are welcome to everything that goes with being in the selling business, and having run a small software company once, I am real happy to not be in the selling business. I am not sure really why I made this website, but it does contain years of work and it is something that I take pride in. A few CDs would probably hold all of it's content, and then I could just shut the website down and go do something else I guess. Nobody lives forever, and I suppose that will happen someday, at least the shutting down the website part. ;-) For now, I enjoy having the website. I knew when I put the factory manual up, that it was already all over the place. The K-line book, the Greenberg book, the Hobby Surplus books, and parts of it free online at several websites, even before mine went up. When it comes to the manual, I am really doing a "me too" thing here. (I can tell you if you want the whole thing on paper, that Fred Jester had some pretty complete stacks of paper at York at a very reasonable price) Even though I found many of my catalog scans on another website, I chose not to watermark the repair manual pages. With many of the manual pages already all over the place, I would hope that anyone who wishes to sell the manual, will scan the pages their self. When I put the manual up, I was not sure how many people would find it useful. I have found the "if you build it they will come thing" often not apply to website features, as many new features like my recent soon to be history "flyer buys" idea just didn't catch on. One of the advantages I have over some of these other methods of publishing the Factory Manual, is that any time I get some new manual pages, I just upload them and do not worry about the books or CDs already published. A website is dynamic and can change and grow at will. My copy of The Service Manual will eventually be indexed, for quick access to what ever you are looking for. For now, Bob Conner loaned me a 1 foot high pile of Gilbert paper that I am trying to work my way through and scan. It is a daunting task, but a wonderful problem! Finally, the information is offered for entertainment and historical reference only. If A. C. Gilbert made any errors in what is written on those pages, then beware before you go soldering on your 50 year old trains! ;-) In short, if you like having the manual online great! I like providing it to you and hope to make it better in the future. It is what I do, and I am grateful when ever anyone visits my website. I really am! If you prefer to have the manual in paper or CD form, it is also available that way, all over the place. Isn't it great to have so many choices! Thanks again! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs online and now, American Flyer Factory Manual online! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55136	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

Chuck, I, for one, would like to thank you very much for making the AF Factory Service Manual available to peruse on your website. I've found your website to be very informative and refer to it often. The availability of the individual service sheets is icing on the cake and makes it very easy to access the necessary information to repair our old trains. Again, thank you very much for your efforts. They are very much appreciated, not just by myself, but I would bet a lot of other "Gilbert Heads". Kind regards, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Harrington To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online Thanks everyone for your kind words about the online manual! I have to say that I had not expected or considered that I would get some of the responses I have gotten, but would like to respond to the themes that I should sell it on CD, I should watermark it to protect it and others already providing this manual on book or CD. Also, it was said that Gilbert made errors in the original manual. I am not in the "selling it" business. I even took the banner ads off the website that used to cover some of the costs of providing it, preferring to simply handle the costs myself and have greater freedom to do what I wanted. Others "are" in the selling business, and they are welcome to everything that goes with being in the selling business, and having run a small software company once, I am real happy to not be in the selling business. I am not sure really why I made this website, but it does contain years of work and it is something that I take pride in. A few CDs would probably hold all of it's content, and then I could just shut the website down and go do something else I guess. Nobody lives forever, and I suppose that will happen someday, at least the shutting down the website part. ;-) For now, I enjoy having the website. I knew when I put the factory manual up, that it was already all over the place. The K-line book, the Greenberg book, the Hobby Surplus books, and parts of it free online at several websites, even before mine went up. When it comes to the manual, I am really doing a "me too" thing here. (I can tell you if you want the whole thing on paper, that Fred Jester had some pretty complete stacks of paper at York at a very reasonable price) Even though I found many of my catalog scans on another website, I chose not to watermark the repair manual pages. With many of the manual pages already all over the place, I would hope that anyone who wishes to sell the manual, will scan the pages their self. When I put the manual up, I was not sure how many people would find it useful. I have found the "if you build it they will come thing" often not apply to website features, as many new features like my recent soon to be history "flyer buys" idea just didn't catch on. One of the advantages I have over some of these other methods of publishing the Factory Manual, is that any time I get some new manual pages, I just upload them and do not worry about the books or CDs already published. A website is dynamic and can change and grow at will. My copy of The Service Manual will eventually be indexed, for quick access to what ever you are looking for. For now, Bob Conner loaned me a 1 foot high pile of Gilbert paper that I am trying to work my way through and scan. It is a daunting task, but a wonderful problem! Finally, the information is offered for entertainment and historical reference only. If A. C. Gilbert made any errors in what is written on those pages, then beware before you go soldering on your 50 year old trains! ;-) In short, if you like having the manual online great! I like providing it to you and hope to make it better in the future. It is what I do, and I am grateful when ever anyone visits my website. I really am! If you prefer to have the manual in paper or CD form, it is also available that way, all over the place. Isn't it great to have so many choices! Thanks again! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs online and now, American Flyer Factory Manual online! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55137	From: lember2004	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Answers Re: removing eyelets from trucks question

Thanks to Tom Seccia and polpolk9 for pointing out that - because eyelets are softer than rivets - needle-nosed tools of various kinds will work by squeezing the eyelet edges in to the center hole. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > This group gave me several very effective methods for removing rivets from Gilbert trucks - such as using a 5/16" drill bit with a pilot point]. Now I'm on to rolling stock with eyelets [trucks on later 5-digit knuckle coupler cars and on pikemaster cars]. Any effective tricks for these wider [and I have found so far more stubborn] eyelets? > As always, many thanks! > Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55138	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

Keep your eyes on Chuck's site for more.... He has a couple of items that are rarely seen coming up..... One of which there is Maybe ONLY ONE.... Its an AF Salesman's book....With his name embossed on the cover.... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Don & Marsha Munsey Jr <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr <dmunseyjr@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 7:17 PM Chuck, THNX again! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@comcast. net S/Sn42, S-9, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harrington Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online Thanks everyone for your kind words about the online manual! I have to say that I had not expected or considered that I would get some of the responses I have gotten, but would like to respond to the themes that I should sell it on CD, I should watermark it to protect it and others already providing this manual on book or CD. Also, it was said that Gilbert made errors in the original manual. I am not in the "selling it" business. I even took the banner ads off the website that used to cover some of the costs of providing it, preferring to simply handle the costs myself and have greater freedom to do what I wanted. Others "are" in the selling business, and they are welcome to everything that goes with being in the selling business, and having run a small software company once, I am real happy to not be in the selling business. I am not sure really why I made this website, but it does contain years of work and it is something that I take pride in. A few CDs would probably hold all of it's content, and then I could just shut the website down and go do something else I guess. Nobody lives forever, and I suppose that will happen someday, at least the shutting down the website part. ;-) For now, I enjoy having the website. I knew when I put the factory manual up, that it was already all over the place. The K-line book, the Greenberg book, the Hobby Surplus books, and parts of it free online at several websites, even before mine went up. When it comes to the manual, I am really doing a "me too" thing here. (I can tell you if you want the whole thing on paper, that Fred Jester had some pretty complete stacks of paper at York at a very reasonable price) Even though I found many of my catalog scans on another website, I chose not to watermark the repair manual pages. With many of the manual pages already all over the place, I would hope that anyone who wishes to sell the manual, will scan the pages their self. When I put the manual up, I was not sure how many people would find it useful. I have found the "if you build it they will come thing" often not apply to website features, as many new features like my recent soon to be history "flyer buys" idea just didn't catch on. One of the advantages I have over some of these other methods of publishing the Factory Manual, is that any time I get some new manual pages, I just upload them and do not worry about the books or CDs already published. A website is dynamic and can change and grow at will. My copy of The Service Manual will eventually be indexed, for quick access to what ever you are looking for. For now, Bob Conner loaned me a 1 foot high pile of Gilbert paper that I am trying to work my way through and scan. It is a daunting task, but a wonderful problem! Finally, the information is offered for entertainment and historical reference only. If A. C. Gilbert made any errors in what is written on those pages, then beware before you go soldering on your 50 year old trains! ;-) In short, if you like having the manual online great! I like providing it to you and hope to make it better in the future. It is what I do, and I am grateful when ever anyone visits my website. I really am! If you prefer to have the manual in paper or CD form, it is also available that way, all over the place. Isn't it great to have so many choices! Thanks again! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyert rains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs online and now, American Flyer Factory Manual online! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55139	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

Chuck, I would like to second Bruce" comments- I have found your site useful in the past and hope to continue to use it. Thanks Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online Chuck, I, for one, would like to thank you very much for making the AF Factory Service Manual available to peruse on your website. I've found your website to be very informative and refer to it often. The availability of the individual service sheets is icing on the cake and makes it very easy to access the necessary information to repair our old trains. Again, thank you very much for your efforts. They are very much appreciated, not just by myself, but I would bet a lot of other "Gilbert Heads". Kind regards, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Harrington To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online Thanks everyone for your kind words about the online manual! I have to say that I had not expected or considered that I would get some of the responses I have gotten, but would like to respond to the themes that I should sell it on CD, I should watermark it to protect it and others already providing this manual on book or CD. Also, it was said that Gilbert made errors in the original manual. I am not in the "selling it" business. I even took the banner ads off the website that used to cover some of the costs of providing it, preferring to simply handle the costs myself and have greater freedom to do what I wanted. Others "are" in the selling business, and they are welcome to everything that goes with being in the selling business, and having run a small software company once, I am real happy to not be in the selling business. I am not sure really why I made this website, but it does contain years of work and it is something that I take pride in. A few CDs would probably hold all of it's content, and then I could just shut the website down and go do something else I guess. Nobody lives forever, and I suppose that will happen someday, at least the shutting down the website part. ;-) For now, I enjoy having the website. I knew when I put the factory manual up, that it was already all over the place. The K-line book, the Greenberg book, the Hobby Surplus books, and parts of it free online at several websites, even before mine went up. When it comes to the manual, I am really doing a "me too" thing here. (I can tell you if you want the whole thing on paper, that Fred Jester had some pretty complete stacks of paper at York at a very reasonable price) Even though I found many of my catalog scans on another website, I chose not to watermark the repair manual pages. With many of the manual pages already all over the place, I would hope that anyone who wishes to sell the manual, will scan the pages their self. When I put the manual up, I was not sure how many people would find it useful. I have found the "if you build it they will come thing" often not apply to website features, as many new features like my recent soon to be history "flyer buys" idea just didn't catch on. One of the advantages I have over some of these other methods of publishing the Factory Manual, is that any time I get some new manual pages, I just upload them and do not worry about the books or CDs already published. A website is dynamic and can change and grow at will. My copy of The Service Manual will eventually be indexed, for quick access to what ever you are looking for. For now, Bob Conner loaned me a 1 foot high pile of Gilbert paper that I am trying to work my way through and scan. It is a daunting task, but a wonderful problem! Finally, the information is offered for entertainment and historical reference only. If A. C. Gilbert made any errors in what is written on those pages, then beware before you go soldering on your 50 year old trains! ;-) In short, if you like having the manual online great! I like providing it to you and hope to make it better in the future. It is what I do, and I am grateful when ever anyone visits my website. I really am! If you prefer to have the manual in paper or CD form, it is also available that way, all over the place. Isn't it great to have so many choices! Thanks again! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs online and now, American Flyer Factory Manual online! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55140	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Action Cars Needed

Planning a layout. I am looking for some action cars. One spur will have a Lumber Mill, and off another spur I want to put a brewery. The inside loop will run past a large farm with a lake. I found the buildings at Bar Mills models. I am using S helper track and postwar AF locos. I will also be adding DCC.Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55141	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed

Steve of SnS Trains can convert action cars to DCC. I have two action box cars, one lumber car and one log dump car done by Steve. Well worth the price of the conversion for a lifetime of use. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Action Cars Needed Planning a layout. I am looking for some action cars. One spur will have a Lumber Mill, and off another spur I want to put a brewery. The inside loop will run past a large farm with a lake. I found the buildings at Bar Mills models. I am using S helper track and postwar AF locos. I will also be adding DCC.Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55142	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed

Hi wis,   If you decide to use signaling with DCC, I can offer some help. Check out JMRI. My layout was the prototype for PanlPro. It's a FREE signaling program.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Sun, 7/5/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Action Cars Needed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 9:22 PM Planning a layout. I am looking for some action cars. One spur will have a Lumber Mill, and off another spur I want to put a brewery.  The inside loop will run past a large farm with a lake. I found the buildings at Bar Mills models. I am using S helper track and postwar AF locos. I will also be adding DCC.Any suggestions are  greatly appreciated.  ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55143	From: huber25@att.net	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: For Sale

I have some AF stuff and also scale items for sale. If you are interested please email me OFFLINE for a copy of the list. Thanks, Roger Huber huber25@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55144	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2009
Subject: 2009 NASG Convention in St Louis........It's not too late to registe

Hi Group, Here is a message from our NASG 2009 Convention Chairman, Jim Bresnahan. See you in St Louis where rivers and railroads meet! Jack Riely Member NASG AFSGSLA B&ORRHS ____________________________________ From: sunsetatlake@... To: JNR59@... Sent: 7/6/2009 12:01:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: It's not too late yet... The NASG 2009 Convention will begin on Tuesday, 4 August, at the Airport Marriott Hotel opposite Lambert-St. Louis International Airport. It's not too late to register and get the convention room rate of $99 per night. This excellent rate is not restricted to the dates of the convention, but starts on the 1st of August and runs thru the 11th of August. You also must hurry to reserve your Convention SHS built beer reefer as they are going fast! The web site, _http://www.nasg2009.com/_ (http://www.nasg2009.com/) , has been updated to include the clinics and layout tours, not that more wouldn't be welcomed. Layout tour 1 is primarily American Flyer and high rail layouts. Layout tour 2 is an American Flyer layout and a large S scale layout. Layout tour 3 has been cancelled because of the unavailability of several layouts. Layout tour 4 is two outstanding Sn3 layouts and a modern HO layout that has been seen in national publications. Clinics include Freight Cars and Their Relevance to the Scene, Narrow Gauge Railroading, Scratchbuilding Tools, Building Passenger Cars You Want, Building Rail Crossings, Introduction to S Scale, the Yahoo Get-Together, and clinics for the ladies to include Jewelry Making and Rag Rug Crocheting Made Easy. We have 9000 square feet of vendor space and are looking for more manufacturers and vendors to expand into our overflow area. Manufacturers should contact Jack Riely at _jnr59@..._ (mailto:jnr59@...) if they have any questions. Our Wednesday night Welcome Party will include door prizes as well as some light snacks and a cash bar. Our tours include the Wabash, Frisco & Pacific live steam railroad, Missouri Wine Country Tour, Metrolink Operations and Maintenance Center, Union Pacific System Car Shop, Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tour with Manufacturers Railway System, daily tours to the Museum of Transport, ladies tour to the quaint river town of Kimmswick, and St. Louis' own Union Station. For the family, St. Louis offers many attractions like the world-famous Zoo, the Science Center, the Art Museum, and the Missouri Historical Society's Jefferson Memorial, all located in Forest Park and easily accessible from the MetroLink line at the airport. Also on the MetroLink line are Washington University, St. Louis University, the Grand Avenue Arts District, the Gateway Arch and its underground Museum of Western Expansion, the Old CourtHouse where the Dred Scott decision was rendered, and downtown St. Louis and Lacledes Landing. A little ways outside of St. Louis, you will find Six Flags Amusement Park. The Saturday night banquet will be followed our favorite auction and auctioneer Jamie Bothwell. Jim Bresnahan Chairman, NASG 2009 Convention **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55145	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Thanks, Chuck

A great big "Thank You" to Chuck Harrington for his website, and his recent posting of AF Service Manual pages.  Although I have 2 Service Manuals and both the K-Line and Hobby Surplus books, this contribution will be greatly appreciated by me, especially when I am on the road. I have always found Chuck's pages on the AF catalogs, All Aboard panels, and Kris cars especially useful.  Together with the contributions of The Upstairs Train Room (with its listing and pictures of almost everything Flyer) these are extremely valuable contributions to S Gauge. Try to find anything similar for Lionel trains on the web, such as catalogs, repair guides, listing of sets, etc. and you will see why this gauge is the best gauge of all. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55146	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online

First the A. C. Gilbert Catalogs--and now the American Flyer Factory Manuals online! Chuck Harrington is without a doubt one of the "good guys" in this hobby. Chuck, thank you for helping to keep the history of what went on at Erector Square alive. Frank Leskovitz **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377077x1201454398/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55147	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: removing eyelets from trucks?

Tom, good to hear from you. Still wish you set up a York, but at least good know you're out there, still providing great parts advice, and hopefully well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55148	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 NASG Convention in St Louis........It's not too late to reg

Mine didn't work either. It will open if you go to www.nasg.org and use the link. And as to the "ladies" clinic - I think one on saving in these economic times would be throwing gasoline on the fire as regards the model railroad budget. Most spouses would have that budget at the top to get the ax. Jeff M To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S_Scale_Traction@yahoogroups.com From: jnr59@... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 01:32:08 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 NASG Convention in St Louis........It's not too late to register but hurry! Hi Group, Here is a message from our NASG 2009 Convention Chairman, Jim Bresnahan. See you in St Louis where rivers and railroads meet! Jack Riely Member NASG AFSGSLA B&ORRHS ____________________________________ From: sunsetatlake@... To: JNR59@... Sent: 7/6/2009 12:01:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: It's not too late yet... The NASG 2009 Convention will begin on Tuesday, 4 August, at the Airport Marriott Hotel opposite Lambert-St. Louis International Airport. It's not too late to register and get the convention room rate of $99 per night. This excellent rate is not restricted to the dates of the convention, but starts on the 1st of August and runs thru the 11th of August. You also must hurry to reserve your Convention SHS built beer reefer as they are going fast! The web site, _http://www.nasg2009.com/_ (http://www.nasg2009.com/) , has been updated to include the clinics and layout tours, not that more wouldn't be welcomed. Layout tour 1 is primarily American Flyer and high rail layouts. Layout tour 2 is an American Flyer layout and a large S scale layout. Layout tour 3 has been cancelled because of the unavailability of several layouts. Layout tour 4 is two outstanding Sn3 layouts and a modern HO layout that has been seen in national publications. Clinics include Freight Cars and Their Relevance to the Scene, Narrow Gauge Railroading, Scratchbuilding Tools, Building Passenger Cars You Want, Building Rail Crossings, Introduction to S Scale, the Yahoo Get-Together, and clinics for the ladies to include Jewelry Making and Rag Rug Crocheting Made Easy. We have 9000 square feet of vendor space and are looking for more manufacturers and vendors to expand into our overflow area. Manufacturers should contact Jack Riely at _jnr59@..._ (mailto:jnr59@...) if they have any questions. Our Wednesday night Welcome Party will include door prizes as well as some light snacks and a cash bar. Our tours include the Wabash, Frisco & Pacific live steam railroad, Missouri Wine Country Tour, Metrolink Operations and Maintenance Center, Union Pacific System Car Shop, Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tour with Manufacturers Railway System, daily tours to the Museum of Transport, ladies tour to the quaint river town of Kimmswick, and St. Louis' own Union Station. For the family, St. Louis offers many attractions like the world-famous Zoo, the Science Center, the Art Museum, and the Missouri Historical Society's Jefferson Memorial, all located in Forest Park and easily accessible from the MetroLink line at the airport. Also on the MetroLink line are Washington University, St. Louis University, the Grand Avenue Arts District, the Gateway Arch and its underground Museum of Western Expansion, the Old CourtHouse where the Dred Scott decision was rendered, and downtown St. Louis and Lacledes Landing. A little ways outside of St. Louis, you will find Six Flags Amusement Park. The Saturday night banquet will be followed our favorite auction and auctioneer Jamie Bothwell. Jim Bresnahan Chairman, NASG 2009 Convention **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55149	From: race944t	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: 481 wiring diagram

All I have on the 481 is a price list dated "6/1/60 Form: 1771 - 481" and a price list "Rev: October 1, 1962 Form: 1771 - 481". Neither of them have diagram reference numbers for: XA13B038-B Motor XA14B127 Speaker PA14A275 Resistor PA14A914 Condenser PA13A870 Diesel Sound Generator PA13A208-A 4 Conductor Cable (Plastic) PA14A216 Speaker Bracket S172 Screw S171 Screw The remaining parts reference Form 1771 Dated October 1, 1956 which was originally listed for the 472 and has 497, 499, 21573, 481, 21551, & 21927 each number is individually stamped on the front sheet. The diagram is labeled "No.472 SILVER STREAK DIESEL WITH AIR CHIME WHISTLE". I don't think this is what you are seeking, but it's all I have. I hope someone else has more. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > > Great job! Thanks. Do you, or does anyone, have the wiring diagram for > a Silver Flash 481 PA? With roar, diesel horn and one power truck. > Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55150	From: race944t	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: AF Service Manual differences

Chuck thanks again from another voice! I was looking at your pages and comparing to my factory sheets. It is interesting to note some differences. I, of course, have not had a chance to view the 1,000s of pages you might have out there, but for instance my sheets for the 282 are dated Dec 15, 1953 and are form 1493 where yours are dated Feb. 1, 1957 and appears to be form 1815. I like my prices better than yours because for instance the PA12A190 smoke stack is only $.02 and yours is 50% higher at $.03. On a more serious note, has anyone published an internal wiring book for flyer pieces. I mentioned something about this about a year ago and got an e-mail from someone who said they were working on it. I can't remember who that was and I have not seen such a book in publication. Maybe they are on this list and will update us. We have a great resource in Bob Hannon's book for the internal component wiring, and there is a wealth of information on the hook-up and operation of equipment, but what seems to be missing to me is the component to component wiring diagrams. I love your engine component wiring and would love to see a publication of all flyer equipment. Can you imagine the amount of work to determine wire sizes, type of wire, parts diagrams, where tape was used, what type of tape, wire routing, not to mention the very basics of how the components were wired together. Then try to verify all this by year as technology and components changed. Sounds like a lifetime project for someone. Oh, and who would let the person doing the research tear apart their pristine electromatic crane (pick any other item) to measure wire lengths, size, etc. etc.? Maybe someone could come out with the basics and go from there. Any takers? "Banker" Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55151	From: ken garber	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} RE: [S-Trains] 2009 NASG Convention in St Louis..

The left link provided has a trailing '_' that shouldn't be there. The right link http://www.nasg2009.com/ <http://www.nasg2009.com/_> works fine. ken On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...>wrote: > > Mine didn't work either. It will open if you go to www.nasg.org and use > the link. And as to the "ladies" clinic - I think one on saving in these > economic times would be throwing gasoline on the fire as regards the model > railroad budget. Most spouses would have that budget at the top to get the > ax. Jeff M > > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S_Scale_Traction@yahoogroups.com > > ____________________________________ > > From: sunsetatlake@... > > To: JNR59@... > > Sent: 7/6/2009 12:01:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time > > > > The web site, _http://www.nasg2009.com/_ (http://www.nasg2009.com/) , has > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55155	From: Phil K	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Wal*Mart

I just deleted three postings about WalMart. We've gone through this routine before, and to no good. This is a trains board, gang, and so we'll not discuss the politics of where WalMart gets its products and what effects it has on the economy, etc. The Internet is full of forums where that sort of talk and the resultant arguments is welcome. Thank you, Phil K Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55156	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed

-Nick I want to go with DCC signaling JMRI ??? Thanks Wis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55157	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed

Mike: I just sent my two locos to Steve to be upgraded to DCC. Where can I find the action cars to purchase. I will have them converted to DCC. I want to use AF product. Wis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55158	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: removing eyelets from trucks?

Thank You,                       I should have everything up and running again by September.  Just got the Parts & Service Book done included my parts catalog.  This will help me get things straight.                                                                  Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 7/6/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: removing eyelets from trucks? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 11:05 AM Tom, good to hear from you. Still wish you set up a York, but at least good know you're out there, still providing great parts advice, and hopefully well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55159	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: 752 SEABOARD COALER

To the group: I just posted photos of my latest completed project. There are before and after pictures. With the exception of the 2 roofs and the windows, all is original. Allmetal parts were stripped, primed and then painted. Repro parts are from Doug Peck. Album title says 751 by mistake and I did not know how to change it. My next project is a 751 log loader. Thanks for looking. Link is as follows: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/recent/list _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that�s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55160	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: 481 wiring diagram

Hi,                   If you are looking for an exploded view for a 481, it doesn't exist from A.C. Gilbert.   A wiring diagram for the unit was made by Gilbert and I'm sure that is on Chuck's list.  If you have a K-Line book it is on page 141.  Gilbert used the 472 Santa Fe for the exploded views for the 481, but the views do not include the sound parts. There are exploded views for sound parts on page 136 of the K-Line book with the Alco "B" units.  If you need the parts for the sound in the 481, you have the part numbers.  If you have any other questions, please email me at seccia@....                                                    Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 7/6/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 481 wiring diagram To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 12:37 PM All I have on the 481 is a price list dated "6/1/60 Form: 1771 - 481" and a price list "Rev: October 1, 1962 Form: 1771 - 481". Neither of them have diagram reference numbers for: XA13B038-B Motor XA14B127 Speaker PA14A275 Resistor PA14A914 Condenser PA13A870 Diesel Sound Generator PA13A208-A 4 Conductor Cable (Plastic) PA14A216 Speaker Bracket S172 Screw S171 Screw The remaining parts reference Form 1771 Dated October 1, 1956 which was originally listed for the 472 and has 497, 499, 21573, 481, 21551, & 21927 each number is individually stamped on the front sheet. The diagram is labeled "No.472 SILVER STREAK DIESEL WITH AIR CHIME WHISTLE". I don't think this is what you are seeking, but it's all I have. I hope someone else has more. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@. ..> wrote: > > > Great job! Thanks. Do you, or does anyone, have the wiring diagram for > a Silver Flash 481 PA? With roar, diesel horn and one power truck. > Thanks. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55161	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed

Hi Wis, If you want to use DCC signaling, the only game in town is Digitrax SE8c. I have done a clinic on that and it is on the JMRI website under signaling. It is also on the jmri@yahoogroups.com files section.   If you just want signaling without dependency on DCC (it will work fine) You can use Bruce Chubb's C/MRI hardware. His hardware works with both DCC and analog (DC) systems. I am going to use it for my American Flyer layout. It will just be signaling, no computer control.   JMRI can also provide DCC decoder programming as well. What DCC system are you using? JMRI supports most of them. The group has over 2000 members and we all bring ideas to the table for improvements, new systems, etc.   If this topic is not in line with the group's normal topic, we can take it off-line.   Regards, Nick -Nick I want to go with DCC signaling JMRI ??? Thanks Wis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55162	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed

You can find action cars at train shows and/or ebay. Even new Lionel action cars can be converted as they come out. Then send them to Steve. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Action Cars Needed Mike: I just sent my two locos to Steve to be upgraded to DCC. Where can I find the action cars to purchase. I will have them converted to DCC. I want to use AF product. Wis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55163	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2009
Subject: Re: Action Cars Needed

I believe Steve said that the Cattle car and the Mail pick up car can not be DCC'd. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Action Cars Needed Mike: I just sent my two locos to Steve to be upgraded to DCC. Where can I find the action cars to purchase. I will have them converted to DCC. I want to use AF product. Wis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55164	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: smoking engines wanted i.e. 302 & 290 link coupllers

any body have any they would want to sell or even just trade my CKC for your link coupler tenders. and I need a second tender for a 302 which I bought W/O a tender.Also link coupler. INPark City A. Flyer Fan, aka Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55165	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Re: smoking engines wanted i.e. 302 & 290 link coupllers

We have a few link tenders on hand. Contact me off list. Email or phone. Phone is best. Steve, SnS Trains...Boise 208-376-1159 In a message dated 07/07/2009 5:02:29 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mikenguy9@... writes: any body have any they would want to sell or even just trade my CKC for your link coupler tenders. and I need a second tender for a 302 which I bought W/O a tender.Also link coupler. INPark City A. Flyer Fan, aka Mike **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55166	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Buzzing from engines with a horn or air-chime whistle

Do you know why Lionel Track Power Controllers (TPC's) make post-war American Flyer engines equipped with either a diesel horn or an air-chime whistle buzz or hum all the time? With a standard AC transformer these engines occasionaly crackle, but they don't buzz and hum all the time like they do when run in conventional mode using a TPC with either TMCC or Legacy. Does it have something to do with the trace or nature of the AC power generated by a TPC as compared to a post-war transformer (e.g. Flyer 30B) that causes the speaker, condensor, and capacitor to react? Thanks in advance for your help with this questions. I've had to disconnect all of these such systems in my classic Gilbert engines (steam, diesel, and electric) in order to run them without driving me and anyone else in the room nuts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55167	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Re: Buzzing from engines with a horn or air-chime whistle

You hit the nail on the head. It is the Chopped 60 Hz AC made by the TPC and Powermaster's Triacs. It is dirty AC not a pure sine wave and therefore messes with the resonance of the speaker circuit. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Buzzing from engines with a horn or air-chime whistle Do you know why Lionel Track Power Controllers (TPC's) make post-war American Flyer engines equipped with either a diesel horn or an air-chime whistle buzz or hum all the time? With a standard AC transformer these engines occasionaly crackle, but they don't buzz and hum all the time like they do when run in conventional mode using a TPC with either TMCC or Legacy. Does it have something to do with the trace or nature of the AC power generated by a TPC as compared to a post-war transformer (e.g. Flyer 30B) that causes the speaker, condensor, and capacitor to react? Thanks in advance for your help with this questions. I've had to disconnect all of these such systems in my classic Gilbert engines (steam, diesel, and electric) in order to run them without driving me and anyone else in the room nuts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55168	From: Christopher Burger	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: WALMART

OK YOU ALL. ENOUGH WALMART BASHING. PERIOD.  I WORKED FOR DELPHI FOR 8 YEARS. THEN MY JOB WAS SENT TO MEXICO. THANKS UNIONS FOR SAVING MY JOB. THEN I OPENED A STORE . ELIZABETH STATION TOY TRAINS IF SOME REMEMBER. HAD TO SELL CHINESE TRAINS. WHY. BECAUSE YOU ALL WANT EVERYTHING CHEAP. YOU DONT WANT TO SPEN THE MONEY TO KEEP PAYING THE 30 DOLLAR AN HOUR JOBS. THEN I HAD TO CLOSE MY SHOP BECAUSE YOU ALL WANTED IT CHEAPER AND BOUGHT IT OFF THE INTERNET. AND DELPHI AND GM ANNOUNCED MORE CLOSINGS HERE IN DAYTON. SO I HAD TO CLOSE THE STORE. OUT OF WORK AGAIN. 49 YEARS OLD. WOW, WHO WILL HIRE ME? WALMART. YES WALMART. IT IS SUPPLY AND DEMAND. YOU DEMAND CHEAPER, WALMART SUPPLIES IT. THEY SUPPLY MILLIONS OF JOBS AROUND THE WORLD. IF NOT FOR WALMART THE ECONOMY WOULD BE WORSE FOR EVEN MORE FAMILIES. THERE ARE OVER 1.3 MILLION HOURLY EMOPLOYEES FOR WALMART IN THE US. ALONE  I MAKE 11.40 AN HOUR. MORE THAN I COULD MAKE AT AMERICAN MADE MCDONALDS OR ANYWHERE ELSE  LOOK AT YOUR PRODUCTS FROM ALL THE OTHER STORES LIKE HOME DEPOT. CHINA, AND ELSWHERE.  BUT KNOW, YOU ALL WANT TO BAD MOUTH WALMART BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BIGGEST AND THE BEST AT WHAT THEY DO.  KNOW WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT BEFORE YOU BAD MOUTH SOMETHING.  TARGET SEARS KMART LOWES AND HOME DEPOT ALL SELL YOUR FOREIGN MADE PRODUCTS. AND NOW YOU ARE BAILING OUT THE AUTO MAKERS AND EVERYONE ELSE. WALMART HASN'T ASKED FOR A PENNY. STOCKS ARE UP AND I WORK FOR A GREAT AMERICAN COMPANY.   Christopher [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55169	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: AF Service Manual

Gentlemen: I have a photocopy of the AC Gilbert repair manual. It was $5.00 at a swap meet in New Haven, CT in 1984. (I was in my mid-twenties. The room was full of old men and their bored wives. They were delighted that 'this kid' was interested in both American Flyer Trains and repairing them.) It is a pile of three-hold punched, photocopied pages with metal brown covers. Does someone want to scan it, post it, and return the original? Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55170	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF Service Manual differences

I have two copys of an AF service manual, and there is about 3 to 4 reams of paper to make up this book. Yes I said about 1200 to 1800 sheets. This is no small task to do what you are doing. Thank you for posting this on line.  Clkayton  OR  --- On Mon, 7/6/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Service Manual differences To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 9:13 AM Chuck thanks again from another voice! I was looking at your pages and comparing to my factory sheets. It is interesting to note some differences. I, of course, have not had a chance to view the 1,000s of pages you might have out there, but for instance my sheets for the 282 are dated Dec 15, 1953 and are form 1493 where yours are dated Feb. 1, 1957 and appears to be form 1815. I like my prices better than yours because for instance the PA12A190 smoke stack is only $.02 and yours is 50% higher at $.03. On a more serious note, has anyone published an internal wiring book for flyer pieces. I mentioned something about this about a year ago and got an e-mail from someone who said they were working on it. I can't remember who that was and I have not seen such a book in publication. Maybe they are on this list and will update us. We have a great resource in Bob Hannon's book for the internal component wiring, and there is a wealth of information on the hook-up and operation of equipment, but what seems to be missing to me is the component to component wiring diagrams. I love your engine component wiring and would love to see a publication of all flyer equipment. Can you imagine the amount of work to determine wire sizes, type of wire, parts diagrams, where tape was used, what type of tape, wire routing, not to mention the very basics of how the components were wired together. Then try to verify all this by year as technology and components changed. Sounds like a lifetime project for someone. Oh, and who would let the person doing the research tear apart their pristine electromatic crane (pick any other item) to measure wire lengths, size, etc. etc.? Maybe someone could come out with the basics and go from there. Any takers? "Banker" Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55171	From: ham_45242	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?

Hello, fellow S-gaugers. I inquired (to no avail) about this a couple of years ago but since some of you have recently stated and have on-line some of the AF service manual(s) pages, I was wondering if anyone has service info on the above (detail of parts assembly, parts list). The #591 gate is the one with the 4 side-mounted binding posts and was designed to work with either the usual all-AC or AC/DC("rectiformer") train systems. Thanks for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55172	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: Buzzing from engines with a horn or air-chime whistle

Thanks. At least I now know there's a reason for my having to disconnect so many speakers. Might it be they chop the wave to better accomodate the command signal imposed ontop of it? Similar to DCC in that isn't really DC or AC, but I believe AC with the DCC commands carried atop it? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > You hit the nail on the head. > > It is the Chopped 60 Hz AC made by the TPC and Powermaster's Triacs. > It is dirty AC not a pure sine wave and therefore messes with the resonance > of the speaker circuit. > > Carl > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55173	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?

Hi,           591 Crossing Gates are Pre War and Post War.  There are no exploded views for this items.  I have the original part numbers in my Parts & Service Book or you can email me at seccia@... if you want any part numbers.  Gilbert did not make any exploded views until 1950 and they did not make exploded views on all the items they produced.  There are no exploded views for 751 Log Loaders, 583 Magnetic Cranes, 752 Coal Loaders(though there are parts listed with the 785 Coal Loader), 758 Sam the Semaphore Man and other accessories.  The American Flyer Factory Manual exploded views do not always list the correct applications of the views.                                               Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 7/8/09, ham_45242 <arl_123234@...> wrote: From: ham_45242 <arl_123234@...> Subject: [S-Trains] #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 7:47 AM Hello, fellow S-gaugers. I inquired (to no avail) about this a couple of years ago but since some of you have recently stated and have on-line some of the AF service manual(s) pages, I was wondering if anyone has service info on the above (detail of parts assembly, parts list). The #591 gate is the one with the 4 side-mounted binding posts and was designed to work with either the usual all-AC or AC/DC("rectiformer" ) train systems. Thanks for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55174	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!

As I continue scanning the library of Bob Conner, I have posted now a theme book like you would use in school for a term paper. It is titled AMERICAN FLYER S GAUGE TRAIN COMPOSITIONS and has the name R. H. Romer on it. I don't know a lot about this book, but it appears to list the contents of one hundred twenty 5-digit Flyer Sets. I hope you enjoy it! Chuck Harrington PS: Does anyone know anything about this book? Ever seen one before? http://www.myflyertrains.org A.C. Gilbert Paper Online ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55175	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!

The book CHUCK is refferring to was obtained from ROMER years ago just before he passed. I met him at York and paid for the book.... He said he would mail it to me. Sometime later, several months, I got a package from Susan saying she found the order on her Dad's Desk.... Kinda wish I had kept the note too... There are copies out there and one of these was up on e-bay not too long ago... He also did 2 other books.... Bob Conner --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:02 AM As I continue scanning the library of Bob Conner, I have posted now a theme book like you would use in school for a term paper. It is titled AMERICAN FLYER S GAUGE TRAIN COMPOSITIONS and has the name R. H. Romer on it. I don't know a lot about this book, but it appears to list the contents of one hundred twenty 5-digit Flyer Sets. I hope you enjoy it! Chuck Harrington PS: Does anyone know anything about this book? Ever seen one before? http://www.myflyert rains.org A.C. Gilbert Paper Online ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55176	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!

Sorry folks, but for now the Grinch has stole Christmas. I have taken the Romer book off of my website. It could return later. Thanks, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55177	From: Jim King	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: B&O wagontop box reservation payment due soon

CAD work on the HO version of the upcoming B&O M53 box is well along and the S version will follow right behind it. The HO car will be in production around 7/31 and the S car around mid-August. The kit will include custom-run decals created from B&OHS files, couplers, 1-pc body with separate underframe and details parts. No trucks. I am contemplating producing my own 50-ton ASF trucks later this year but not in time for this kit. To all of those who've made an unpaid reservation, now's the time to open your checking account and follow thru with your commitment. For those who've not made a reservation but are thinking about doing so, time is running out to make your order "real". No reservations will be taken after 8/1/09; whatever I've accumulated by that date will be the production run. If you miss out, see your dealer. If he's out, check S scale shows or eBay. These kit will NOT be re-run so act now. Unpaid reservations as of 8/5 will be cancelled. The next rolling stock item will be the B&O I-5c/d cab. The next diesel will be the 44-ton GE in 2 phases. Save your pennies! Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55178	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/8/2009
Subject: The Fugitive Flash back

I am having flashbacks to the 1960's TV series, The Fugitive, ever since I got my American Flyer by Lionel Diesel engine back this week, from S-N-S Trains in Idaho, as they converted the engine to DCC. The engine now has a bell, diesel sounds and diesel horn. It is the same type of diesel horn that you heard on the opening credits to the TV show, The Fugitive, as Dr. Kimble is being escorted to his demise by the detective. I believe they show a diesel engine with passenger cars speeding down the track with it's horn on. Then it crashes and then Richard Kimble makes his escape. So, now, every time I run this engine, I think of Dr. Kimble. LOL Mike Marmer The narration in the beginning of the show as it mentions the train wreck: the story of Dr. Richard Kimble, an innocent victim of blind justice. Falsely convicted for the murder of his wife. Reprieved by FATE when a train wreck freed him en route to the deathhouse. Freed him to hide in lonely desperation. To change his IDENTITY. To TOIL at many jobs. Freed him to search for a one-armed man he saw leave the scene of the crime. Freed him to RUN before the relentless pursuit of the police lieutenant obsessed with his capture . . . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55179	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: AF gp7 370

I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55180	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Great starter set for sale - engine runs well!

$275 - a great starter set! 1953 K5329 Meteor Freight Set, including all the equipment - 293 locomotive, six freight cars, track, track locks, uncoupler, and track terminal.  Most of the cars are in C-7/C-6 condition.  The caboose has two corners chipped and the NP Reefer has some small paint splotches on one side. The engine is C-5.  It has been serviced and runs great; reversing e-unit cycles properly 100% of the time.  It has no paperwork or boxes. Large, high quality pictures are on my website:                  http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/for_ sale_sets. html NOTE: Gilbert did not include a transformer in this set, but I do have a 15B for sale separately. While you're there, check out my other For Sale pages.  They offer the 96x Chestnut combo and observation cars, like new 24533 track cleaning car in the original box, 944 & 945 crane and boom cars, whistling billboard, Flyonel Christmas cars, two Marx playsets, and more.  Check back often because I have a lot more to upload to the website in the coming weeks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55181	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Fw: Some Photos

To my friends out there in our S Gauge World. Bob Jackson sent this to me to send out to you. Hope you can make the Springfield trip in August. Enjoy the images. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Jackson To: Bill Fraley ; Bill Fraley Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Fw: Some Photos Bill, As the attached shows I sent these to Karnes and asked him to send on the S Scale group which he has done. I ask if you can send the same to the S Trains group if you are a member? I am not so I have to depend on others. Hope to see you in August Bob Jackson --- On Wed, 7/8/09, rwjaxon@... <rwjaxon@...> wrote: From: rwjaxon@... <rwjaxon@...> Subject: Some Photos To: "Richard Karnes" <rnk2202@...> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 4:26 PM Hi Dick, I have attached some photos of The Jackson's railroad aka "The Central California Railroad" which, at your discretion, you might consider posting to the S gauge/scale groups to which you belong (and of which I am no longer a member). The thought is that possibly that would drum up some interest in the NASG tour to the Springfield area on August the 6th. The tour not only includes our railroad but that of a guy in Chatam, IL, just a few miles South of us, who is more of a collector than anything else. He is a member of the SGSLA, the hosting club, though he live at least 90 miles away. It is a near 200 mile round-trip and costs $50 which might well be off-putting to many. In St. Louis area the dominant 3/16ths emphasis is hi-rail for standard gauge, though there are a number of Sn scale railroads. Look forward to seeing you. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55182	From: ham_45242	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi, >           591 Crossing Gates are Pre War and Post War.  There are no exploded views for this items.  I have the original part numbers in my Parts & Service Book or you can email me at seccia@... if you want any part numbers.  Gilbert did not make any exploded views until 1950 and they did not make exploded views on all the items they produced.  There are no exploded views for 751 Log Loaders, 583 Magnetic Cranes, 752 Coal Loaders(though there are parts listed with the 785 Coal Loader), 758 Sam the Semaphore Man and other accessories.  The American Flyer Factory Manual exploded views do not always list the correct applications of the views. >                                               Tom Seccia > Thanks, Tom, that's good info. Sincerely

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55183	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper!

I have all three of the "books". I ordered them from Maury back in the mid 70's when he advertised them in the S Gaugian. I think I remember paying ten dollars each for the ledgers, that were basically ledgers Maury culled from the trash, as everything paper-wise from the Gilbert factory went into the trash right before they went under. They are prepared in his handwriting, as he kept the ledgers at the factory personally. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper! The book CHUCK is refferring to was obtained from ROMER years ago just before he passed. I met him at York and paid for the book.... He said he would mail it to me. Sometime later, several months, I got a package from Susan saying she found the order on her Dad's Desk.... Kinda wish I had kept the note too... There are copies out there and one of these was up on e-bay not too long ago... He also did 2 other books.... Bob Conner --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas in July - Still More Gilbert Paper! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:02 AM As I continue scanning the library of Bob Conner, I have posted now a theme book like you would use in school for a term paper. It is titled AMERICAN FLYER S GAUGE TRAIN COMPOSITIONS and has the name R. H. Romer on it. I don't know a lot about this book, but it appears to list the contents of one hundred twenty 5-digit Flyer Sets. I hope you enjoy it! Chuck Harrington PS: Does anyone know anything about this book? Ever seen one before? http://www.myflyert rains.org A.C. Gilbert Paper Online ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55184	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Royal Blue/Silver Buttet

Greetings! Reclaiming a Silver Bullet and wold like to add the wire handrails from the pilot to the the boiler. Need the location/dimensions for the the hole in the boiler shell. Thenks for any help you can provide! Charlie, in W MI. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55185	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXb_6-2zOw Good old Youtube to have the intro of the Fugitive and forever to be imbedded in my mind the horn sound from this opening and my diesel engine. LOL The voice over is the man who played Frank Cannon and sold million of First Alert fire alarms. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55186	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Tavern update

The tavern is coming along fine, as the base is 3 pieces and now painted concrete. I have primed the 8 wall pieces and made some bracing on the inside. I ordered several different colors of paint for the tavern and they are being shipped tomorrow. Richard Kimble will be getting a job there before he has to take off again. I will have to wreck a train however, to make this realistic. Just kidding. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55187	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

Hello All, The Good: Additional hip surgery was postponed for at least 3 months based on today's xrays that showed some bridging of the fracture at the femoral head. So after 6 months bone healing has finally began. The Bad: For once there is no bad to report. The Layout: I'm thinking maybe I should build the wall shelves for all my rolling stock and engines before starting back on the layout. Any thoughts or suggestions? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55188	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual?

If you ever need help finding a part or a part number just drop me an email. I've been doing this since 1977.                             Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/9/09, ham_45242 <arl_123234@...> wrote: From: ham_45242 <arl_123234@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #591 Crossing Gate Service Manual? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 6:38 AM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Hi, > 591 Crossing Gates are Pre War and Post War. There are no exploded views for this items. I have the original part numbers in my Parts & Service Book or you can email me at seccia@... if you want any part numbers. Gilbert did not make any exploded views until 1950 and they did not make exploded views on all the items they produced. There are no exploded views for 751 Log Loaders, 583 Magnetic Cranes, 752 Coal Loaders(though there are parts listed with the 785 Coal Loader), 758 Sam the Semaphore Man and other accessories. The American Flyer Factory Manual exploded views do not always list the correct applications of the views. > Tom Seccia > Thanks, Tom, that's good info. Sincerely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55189	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370

Hi Jack,                      In order for you to replace the Gilbert motor with a Can Motor you would have to use a Lionel #40-8251-100 Motor Truck. This unit would be complete with a can motor chassis & wheels.  Trying to match Gilbet gears and shafts with Lionels is not possible.                                                    Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 1:11 PM I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55190	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: The Fugitive Flash back

OK, OK, Michael, I've got a VHS copy of the first AND last episode of The Fugitive. I had to put it in and listen because of your post. You happy, now? Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55191	From: jeffcenrr	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Bob Jackson St. Louis Convention images

Okay, the photos are now avaiable under Bob Jackson - St. Louis images in the yahoo photo section. "S"ee ya, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55192	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370

Putting a DC can motor requires some machining. Let me recommend SnS Trains out in Boise, ID. Steve Blackburn is a good guy who runs the place and makes can motor kits for most old Flyer locos and other items. He also does installations and machining as well, so this could be a one stop shop for you. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer of junk box rebuilds...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55193	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

That voice belonged to none other than William Conrad. Highball Easy Michael In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:45:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXb_6-2zOw) Good old Youtube to have the intro of the Fugitive and forever to be imbedded in my mind the horn sound from this opening and my diesel engine. LOL The voice over is the man who played Frank Cannon and sold million of First Alert fire alarms. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Dell Studio XPS Desktop: Save up to $400 - Limited Time Offer (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222466512x1201463496/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D3) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55194	From: Jim King	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: B&O wagontop order payment update

I forgot to include the kit price and shipping for those still needing to "settle up" on previous reservations or place a new order. Kits are $80 each, including decals and couplers, excluding trucks. These are SCALE cars; hi-rail flanges will NOT work on this car due to prototypically close clearances. Shipping is $7 for 1-3 kits, $10 for 4+ sent via Priority Mail. Paypal payments go to my email address. I prefer checks/money orders as PP takes out 3.5-4%. All previously reserved orders and new orders must be paid in full by 8/5 to guarantee your shipment. All of my dealers have made reservations as well so if anyone misses the deadline, see your dealer. After the 8/5 cutoff, dealers will be the only way to get your kit(s). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55195	From: jim patterson	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370

Hi. So! What's the problem with the existing motor? In some cases it my only a brush kit! Or cleaning and lube? --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 > To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 10:11 AM > I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd > like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a > simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? > Thanks, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55196	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Flash back

Carlton. LOL, glad to hear you got that VHS out. I will go back now and run my diesel horn and think of Dr. Kimble. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Crpntr12449@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:The Fugitive Flash back OK, OK, Michael, I've got a VHS copy of the first AND last episode of The Fugitive. I had to put it in and listen because of your post. You happy, now? Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55197	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

Yes it was and who ever thought that The Fugitive show would ever be talked about on the TTML. Ahh, I am now running my DCC AF diesel engine and blasting that horn, thinking of Dr. Richard Kimble. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: boxcarmike464@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Fugitive Train Opening Scene That voice belonged to none other than William Conrad. Highball Easy Michael In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:45:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXb_6-2zOw) Good old Youtube to have the intro of the Fugitive and forever to be imbedded in my mind the horn sound from this opening and my diesel engine. LOL The voice over is the man who played Frank Cannon and sold million of First Alert fire alarms. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Dell Studio XPS Desktop: Save up to $400 - Limited Time Offer (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222466512x1201463496/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D3) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55198	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show this weekend - Hartford, CT

The NASG will have an S scale mfgs. booth at the NTS this year. It starts tomorrow at noon to 6, and on Sat and Sun. We have many samples of currently available S scale products. We have either received or brought samples from all of the Major S mfgs. including American Models, Lionel, S Scale America, River Raisin, B.T.S., Banta Models, Branchline, Clever Bros., Smokey Mtn, Tomalco, Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork, Shinahara, Scenery Unlimited, S Gaugian, 1/64 Modeling Guide, S Helper Service and many more. You can visit us at booth 457 - 458. If anyone is available to help us pack up on Sunday afternoon, please feel free to drop by. We would greatly appreciate the help. Best regards, Don Thompson PS I have posted an image of our set up at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/37042709/pic/330801024/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55199	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370

If you could buy one, the Lionel S-Gauge GEEP motor assembly would work but, there has to be a slot milled into the truck for the drive shaft to rotate in. Then you would have a loco that is prone to jackrabbit starts because "L" uses 1:1 drive shaft to motor gears. We use a 22 tooth drive gear into a 32 tooth drive shaft gear giving a lower gearing ratio and less apt to jackrabbit. We also use Johnson motors and our own motor mounts. Can install for either AC or DC operation. We have done over 300 of them so far. Steve SnS Trains Boise. In a message dated 07/09/2009 1:43:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55200	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

Mike, That train sequence was shot in North Carolina. The wreckage still exists trackside and is one of the attractions of the Great Smoky mountain Railroad, which runs between Dillsboro (a quaint little town with plenty of antique and curio shops) and Bryson City (which has a Lionel train museum, store, and large operating layout). Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXb_6-2zOw > > Good old Youtube to have the intro of the Fugitive and forever to be imbedded in my mind the horn sound from this opening and my diesel engine. LOL > > The voice over is the man who played Frank Cannon and sold million of First Alert fire alarms. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55201	From: John	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370

Tom Do you know the price of that motor truck? john ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 Hi Jack, In order for you to replace the Gilbert motor with a Can Motor you would have to use a Lionel #40-8251-100 Motor Truck. This unit would be complete with a can motor chassis & wheels. Trying to match Gilbet gears and shafts with Lionels is not possible. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 1:11 PM I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55202	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370

I posted a response to this yesterday, but it hasn't shown up as of yet. Maybe it was edited out. If you want to know about this, email me at _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) . Steve In a message dated 07/09/2009 8:22:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Putting a DC can motor requires some machining. Let me recommend SnS Trains out in Boise, ID. Steve Blackburn is a good guy who runs the place and makes can motor kits for most old Flyer locos and other items. He also does installations and machining as well, so this could be a one stop shop for you. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer of junk box rebuilds...in Appalachia. **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55203	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370

Can you post some Costs!!!!! bob Conner --- On Fri, 7/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:49 AM If you could buy one, the Lionel S-Gauge GEEP motor assembly would work but, there has to be a slot milled into the truck for the drive shaft to rotate in. Then you would have a loco that is prone to jackrabbit starts because "L" uses 1:1 drive shaft to motor gears. We use a 22 tooth drive gear into a 32 tooth drive shaft gear giving a lower gearing ratio and less apt to jackrabbit. We also use Johnson motors and our own motor mounts. Can install for either AC or DC operation. We have done over 300 of them so far. Steve SnS Trains Boise. In a message dated 07/09/2009 1:43:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@ yahoo.com writes: I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker. com. (http://www.tourtrac ker.com/? ncid=emlcntusmus i00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55204	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370

Steve, Is message 55199 the one you're referring to????? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > I posted a response to this yesterday, but it hasn't shown up as of yet. > Maybe it was edited out. If you want to know about this, email me at > _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) . > > Steve > > > In a message dated 07/09/2009 8:22:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mrstumpy@... writes: > > > > > > Putting a DC can motor requires some machining. Let me recommend SnS Trains > out in Boise, ID. Steve Blackburn is a good guy who runs the place and > makes can motor kits for most old Flyer locos and other items. He also does > installations and machining as well, so this could be a one stop shop for > you. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer of junk box rebuilds...in Appalachia. > > > > > > **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on > tour at TourTracker.com. > (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55205	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370

Hi John,                 If you have the gear on your armature shaft, the only thing you should need is the drive gear on the axle of the slot car.  If the gear on the armature of the Maint. Car is shot you're going to need th armature on the slot gear/ That gear is slightly diffeerent than the Maint. Car.   I don't have a motor for the slot car/                                             Tom Seccia                                  --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:47 AM Tom Do you know the price of that motor truck? john ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 Hi Jack, In order for you to replace the Gilbert motor with a Can Motor you would have to use a Lionel #40-8251-100 Motor Truck. This unit would be complete with a can motor chassis & wheels. Trying to match Gilbet gears and shafts with Lionels is not possible. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 1:11 PM I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55206	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show 2009 - Hartford, CT Friday update

I walked around the hall a took images of some of the S I found at the show. Right now we have the NMRA convention attendees walking around, but in a few minutes the public can come in. Some stuff I was not aware: Model Memories (booth 123) had S scale PRR single and double catenary poles. Bar Mills (booth 271) had a new laser cut S scale structure: Jebediah' carriage and wheel repair Frenchman River Model Works (booth 191) has S scale ship parts and a 50' steam freighter kit NJ International (booth 190) had new S scale searchlight signals in addition to their line of S crossing gates, semaphores and switch stands. While here you can visit Ron and Susan Sebastian of S Scale America. They have the full line of RTR freight cars on display. Many New Products has their S track cleaning car. Fast Track (booth 127) makes S scale turnout templates and is having ongoing clinics on using their templates to make switches using their method (this applies to any scale). Hunterline (booth 315) had their S scale line of strip wood, bridges and a really neat snow shed (boy, I wish the battery on Robin's camera had not run out...). Branchline is here, they make S scale laser cut structures, but did not bring stock to sell. But, you could ask them about coming out with a few more S scale kits. And, don't forget to drop by booth 457 & 458 and visit the NASG display. You can say hello to Will, Dan Navarre (River Raisin Models - today only), Jeff Wilson (Hoquat Hobbies - today and tomorrow), Hiram Graves (won best in show at the NMRA convention contest in scratch built Passenger Car for his Barre & Chelsea mail baggage coach) or Vic Roseman (today and tomorrow). Don http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1464853991/pic/list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55207	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

Thanks Joe, as that RR was not running a tourist train in the 1980's when I used to camp in the Smokies. I see that wreckage was for the Movie not the TV show. Here is a re-enactment using model trains of the opening scene. After it says the end, there is more to follow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDJ6rfq_5Vk Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Haenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene Mike, That train sequence was shot in North Carolina. The wreckage still exists trackside and is one of the attractions of the Great Smoky mountain Railroad, which runs between Dillsboro (a quaint little town with plenty of antique and curio shops) and Bryson City (which has a Lionel train museum, store, and large operating layout). Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXb_6-2zOw > > Good old Youtube to have the intro of the Fugitive and forever to be imbedded in my mind the horn sound from this opening and my diesel engine. LOL > > The voice over is the man who played Frank Cannon and sold million of First Alert fire alarms. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55208	From: Ben Serzo	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale

Roger, Do you still have any S scale items for sale? Please send me an email with the items and the asking price you would like. Thanks, Ben Serzo (215)491-1456 NASG/NPSG Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: huber25@... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 02:36:08 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale I have some AF stuff and also scale items for sale. If you are interested please email me OFFLINE for a copy of the list. Thanks, Roger Huber huber25@... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Hotmail�: Spread the word when you add celeb photos to your e-mails. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_celebrity_photos1_072009&cat=celebrity [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55209	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Layout

Well, thank heavens for some good news! Just a thought - building the shelves first would get your collection up off the floor or out of storage (wherever they are) and give you more room to work. I did it the other way around and must have moved the boxes and stuff three or four times at least. I was working in tight quarters anyway and had I been smarter, I would have put up the shelving first. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:24:47 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] The Good, the Bad and the Layout Hello All, The Good: Additional hip surgery was postponed for at least 3 months based on today's xrays that showed some bridging of the fracture at the femoral head. So after 6 months bone healing has finally began. The Bad: For once there is no bad to report. The Layout: I'm thinking maybe I should build the wall shelves for all my rolling stock and engines before starting back on the layout. Any thoughts or suggestions? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55210	From: Roger Huber	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: For Sale

Hi, Ben.   Here's the list. It's a combined HO-HOn30-N-S list so you'll hav eto llok around for the S stuff.   Thanks for looking! Roger ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   FOR SALE HO/HOn30/S-Books-Records-Videos Roger W. Huber 1218 Wentwood Drive Pasadena, Texas 77504-3138 281-487-9088 huber25@... ________________________________________________________________________ Prices may be negotiable and I will consider trades for HO items, especially brass! If you have any questions about any items please email and I will try to explain further. I can email pictures of the brass items. ___________________________________________________________________________ Abbreviations Used MIB mint, in original box u/p unpainted f/p factory painted Pro Pt Professionally painted o/b original box MIP mint, in original packing Undec undecorated kit unassembled RTR ready-to-run (assembled) New Duh!!! Used not new LP long play 12” KD Kadee brand P/F poor foam c/p custom painted DC&S Deer Creek & Susquehanna RR- my private shortline HO BRASS: Car Works caboose SR&RL #551 factory painted MIB HOn30 $100.00 Car Works/T&T 2-6-2 SR&RL #24 factory painted MIB HOn30 $595.00 GEM 4-6-0 Ma&Pa #28 MIB u/p never been on track ! $299.00 GEM 4-6-0 Ma&Pa #28 MIB u/p never been on track ! $299.00 GEM Gas-electric Ma&Pa #62 u/p MIB $199.00 Overland caboose Ma&Pa #2001 c/p o/b plastic underbody KD trucks $70.00 Overland N&W “Redbird” GP-9 OMI-5620 Mint u/p orig box $825.00 Overland caboose OMI-1221 N&W CH Mint O/B U/P $15.000 Overland caboose OMI-1224 N&W C-30a Mint O/B U/P $150.00 Railworks PB-54 combine/P-54 coach set PRR $4709 & #405 Pro Paint MIB* $399.00 Roanoke Rails Budd 10-6 sleeper N&W class S-2 Mint O/B U/P-VERY RARE $295.00 Sunset PRR ND bobber caboose H&H (private road) No Box** $85.00 Westside 2-8-2 B&O Q-4b with aux tank c/p o/b $299.00 Westside 2-10-2 B&O S-1a c/p o/b $495.00 Westside 4-8-2 B&O T-3b u/p MIB $400.00 Westside 2-8-8-4 B&O EM-1 u/p MIB $1100.00 Westside 4-6-2 PRR K5 ProPt #5698 Remotored/Regeared P/F $325.00 * PRR PB-54 & P-54 cars painted for the cars used on the Ma&Pa on the “Round The Circle Excursion” ** PRR ND caboose is prototype for Ma&Pa #2006 HO Locomotives: Athearn/Bev-Bel H-24-66 Train-Master F-M TM-2 Demonstrator rtr $45.00 P1K 303901 RDC-3 Reading #9168 rtr $20.00 Spectrum 81707 2-10-0 Susquehanna MIB rtr $45.00 HO Freight Cars: Accurail 01545 boxcar-40’ PS-1 Columbus & Georgia kit $7.00 AHM ? boxcar-40’ PS-1 GB&W #940 rtr $3.00 AHM ? boxcar-40’ single door AAR Timken Bearings #646450 rtr $2.00 Branchline 13714 reefer-40’ wood Illinois Onion #3700 kit $8.00 Branchline 01319 reefer-40’ wood NRTC (WiscCheese)#85145 kit $8.00 Branchline 09012 boxcar-40’ single door AAR Norfolk Southern #25682 kit $6.00 InterMountain 40910-10 boxcar-50’PS-1 A&WP #39027 kit $8.00 Life-Like P2K ? stockcar-40’ double deck B&O 4-car set kits $40.00 Life-Like P2K ? stockcar-40’ double deck B&O #111056 rtr $14.00 Life-Like P2K ? stockcar 40’ double deck B&O #110371 rtr $14.00 Life-Like P2K 21379 stockcar 40’double deck B&O #110537 kit $10.00 Life-Like P2K 21378 stockcar 40’ double deck B&O #110023 kit $10.00 Mantua ? boxcar-50’ single door Mantua #307 promo car rtr $15.00 Red Ball ? pickle tank car-4 vats undec kit $5.00 YOH&P 00322 boxcar-60’ single door wood Northern Pacific kit $4.00 HO Passenger Cars: Athearn ? business-heavyweight RMC #4 “Ramsey” RTR $15.00 Athearn ? baggage-heavyweight RMC #6 “Fredon” RTR $15.00 E&BV ? coach-American Flyer RMC #7 “Newton” kit $15.00 Bethlehem 00430 baggage-N&W/PRR BM-60 unassembled w/PRR decals kit $20.00 Bethlehem 00430 baggage-N&W/PRR BM-60 unassembled w/PRR decals kit $20.00 Branchline 05300 12-1 Pullman undec kit $25.00 Branchline 05300 12-1 Pullman undec kit $25.00 Branchline 05300 12-1 Pullman undec kit $25.00 Branchline 05399 12-1 Pullman unlettered-painted PG kit $25.00 Branchline 05399 12-1 Pullman unlettered-painted PG kit $25.00 HO B&O Heavyweight Passenger car set-4 cars-MIB never been on rails $85.00 Spectrum 89341 combination #1445 89044 diner 89047 Pullman “Loch Ness” 89346 observation #901 HO Alaska RR 15 Car Tour Train Special: $225.00 Athearn ? coach-lightweight Alaska RR #203 rtr Bachmann ? full dome McKinley Explorer HALX 50 rtr Bachmann ? full dome McKinley Explorer HALX 56 rtr Bachmann 71648 full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 507 rtr Bachmann 71645 full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 508 rtr Bachmann ? full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 509 rtr Bachmann 71644 full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 510 rtr Bachmann ? full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 511 rtr Bachmann 71643 full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 512 rtr Bachmann ? full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 513 rtr Bachmann ? full dome McKinley Explorer HALX 513 rtr Bachmann 71641 full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 551 rtr Bachmann 71649 full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 553 rtr Bachmann 71647 full dome McKinley Explorer WTMC 554 rtr Bachmann ? full dome McKinley Explorer HALX 1394 rtr 　 　 HO Decals: MicroScale 87-698 Wabash Diesels 1960-64 Blue units with yellow stripe $2.00 Mosteller Virginian passenger cars-does 8+ cars-bronze gold $7.00 Champ EH-252 Maryland & Pennsylvania steam engine-bronze gold $1.00 Walthers 164-75 Maryland & Pennsylvania diesel switcher-yellow $1.00 Herald King PR-50 Pennzoil tank car $1.00 Herald King Special Set Bicentennial Boxcar $1.00 Campbell Road DRY TRANSFERS Louisville & Nashville boxcars-white-does 2 cars $1.00 HO (& some “N”) Miscellaneous Stuff: Bachmann E-Z Track-16 pcs 18”R, 3-9” straight, 1-9” rerailer/terminal, transformer $5.00 Caboose Industries 204S HO ground throw-new $1.00 Caboose Industries 208S O ground throw-new $1.00 Chooch bridge abutments-stone for single track-6 each-new but removed from package $12.00 Circuitron BR-1 Bell ringer module for grade crossing with bell-MIB $20.00 Heljan 804 14” turntable with Walthers 942-472 motor $20.00 Micro Engineering 42-103 code 70 track gauge 3ea for $6.00 NRHS Potomac Chapter 1991 Calendar-many great color photos $1.00 Paasche AEX-602 air eraser abrasive 6oz bottles 2ea for $5.00 Walthers 933-3185 single track truss bridge-assembled $10.00 Walthers 933-3203 120’ manual turntable kit w/motor $10.00 Walthers 933-2613 130’ turntable deck/track/shanty & extra shanty (I converted the tables to HO) DOES NOT INCLUDE TABLE & DRIVE $4.00 HOn30 Stuff: Car Works SR&RL 2-6-2 #42 factory painted MIB $595 Car Works SR&RL caboose #551 factory painted MIB $100 F&C SR&RL caboose kit #5031 kit $20 Chivers SR&RL wood rack car kit #RC820 with Stevens Creek wood deck kit Both items Mint In Packages $20 Chivers SR&RL wood rack car kit #RC820 with Stevens Creek wood deck kit Both items Mint In Packages $20 Chivers SR&RL wood rack car kit #RC820 with Stevens Creek wood deck kit Both items Mint In Packages $20 NWSL #57517-4 33” metal wheel replacements 4axles $6 Grandt Line #5146 SR&RL arch bar freight trucks 1pair $4 Grandt Line same as above with NWSL wheel sets 1 pair $7 Grandt Line same as above with NWSL wheel sets 1 pair $7 Colonial #ME-20 passenger car truck side frames 1 pair $8 Kadee #1023 assembled magne-matic couplers 2 pair MIP $6 Kadee #1016-1 assembled couplers 2 pair MIP $6 Kadee #1051-1 Andrews trucks w/ low profile wheels 1 pair $4 Atlas #35112 N scale Frisco 40’ gondola w/cannister load MIB $3 Atlas #3508 N scale Southern 40’ gondola w/ cannister load MIB $3 Atlas #3508 N scale Southern 40’ gondola w/ cannister load MIB $3 Atlas? N scale 40’ gondola Southern No Box used $3 Atlas? N scale 50’ gondola w/coal load AT&SF No Box used $3 Atlas? N scale 50’ gondola Southern No Box used $3 Atlas? N scale 56’ gondola w/top Western Maryland No Box used $3 Take everything HOn30 for $750! S SCALE ITEMS: BRASS: Steam BTS 6101 Ma&Pa 2-8-0 #41 kit $400.00 Steam BTS 6202 Ma&Pa 2-8-0 #43 semi-kit $600.00 Diesel NW-2 PhII Oriental DC&S 20 $420.00 Diesel NW-2 PhV Oriental DC&S 21 $420.00 Caboose RR NKP 100 class wood c/p DC&S $190.00 Caboose GC GC-08 SP C-30-4 c/p DC&S $190.00 Caboose GC GC-08 SP C-30-4 c/p DC&S $190.00 Caboose Overland OMI-1604 LV NE style c/p DC&S $190.00 Express Reefer SWM SWM-ER1 PRR R-50b c/p DC&S $190.00 Express Reefer SWM SWM-ER1 PRR R-50b c/p DC&S $190.00 Milk Car SWM SWSE-3 Rutland #349 c/p DC&S $190.00 Milk Car SWM SWRL-7 Borden w/end fins c/p DC&S $190.00 Milk Car SWM SWLE-7 2 car set Borden w/EF c/p DC&S $245.00 American Flyer Parts & Stuff: 1 Box-AF freight trucks $20.00 approx 9 pair Link coupler approx 10 pair Knuckle couplers many mounting screws & washers, spare couplers NOTE: some trucks are missing wheelsets/axles 1 Box-AF Steam loco boiler shells & tender shells $45.00 4 plastic tender shells lettered AFL/Reading-all steps intact & good condition 1 metal 361 K-5 boiler shell-worn/missing handrails 1 metal 565 Atlantic boiler-same as above 1 metal 300 Atlantic boiler-same as above 1 plastic 21160 Atlantic boiler-same as above 1 complete 21160 Atlantic & tender-not sure if it runs 1 Box-AF steam engine parts $25.00 Many needed steamer parts to keep ‘em runnin’ motor parts-armatures/field mountings/cases smoke units/stack pipes E-units/frames lead & trailing trucks connectors/screws/washers frame & drivers for 4-6-2 Frame & drivers for 4-4-2’s (2X) American Flyer Engines: 293 4-6-2 NYNH&H Pacific $80.00 Has a cast metal boiler with a plastic tender. Knuckle coupler on tender. Very clean. Nothing damaged or worn heavily. In A Flyer corrugated engine wrapper for a 21024 Pacific. 322 4-6-4 NYC Hudson $30.00 Cast metal boiler & tender. Missing right side main rod, right side valve gear & motor. No other missing or broken parts. Paint fair and it’s dirty. Link coupler. 　 S Scale Miscellaneous: AF Aircraft beacon. Has new bulb & reflector assy. $25.00 3’ S scale ruler Cuyahoga Valley S-Guagers-flexible white w/black numbers $5.00 Small bag of brass parts-SWM/OSM/PBL/GCM-SP caboose antennas/class lights/ passenger car roof vents/diesel parts $5.00 PBL Sn3 Dispatch Summer 1998 PBL Sn3 Rolling Stock Compendium Spring 1998 BOTH For $5.00 　 Books: A Century Of Locomotives & Trains by Winkowski $15.00 American Car & Foundry 1899-1999 by Edward Kaminski $6.00 New York Central Lightning Stripes Vol 1 & 2 by David R. Sweetland (2 books as set only) $75.00 New York Central Steam In Color by David R. Sweetland $4000 New York Central Color Guide by Sweetland & Yanosey $40.00 NYC System Diesel Locomotives by William Edson $40.00 Steam Power of The New York Central Vol 1 by Alvin F. Staufer $50.00 Western Pacific Diesel Years by Joseph Strapac $50.00 Western Pacific Locomotives & Cars by Patrick Dorin $20.00 Ulster & Delaware by Gerald M. Best $20.00 Some Classic Trains & More Classic Trains by Arthur Dubin (2 books as set only) $80.00 The Trains We Rode Vol 1 & 2 by Lucius Beebe (2 books as set only) $80.00 The Streamline Era by Robert C. Reed $45.00 The Narrow Gauge Silverton Train-paperback $4.00 Steam Passenger Locomotives by Brian Hollingsworth $4.00 Portrait Of The Rails by Don Ball, Jr. $15.00 USRA 2-8-8-2 Series, Classic Power #1 $15.00 Building The Climax by Kozo Hiraoka Building the Heisler Building The Shay 3 hardback book SET ONLY $50.00 Westside G-Files Vol I (complete) Westside G-Files Vol II (missing 102/104/109/112/113/118/119/120) SET ONLY $50.00 Records: Record-12”LP Mobile Fidelity MF-402-Green Board South Southern Ry steamers-722/4501/630/750/77- excellent condition $5.00 Record-12”LP Mobile Fidelity MF-9-Sunday Only-CB&Q steamers 5632/6315/638-excellent condition $5.00 Record-12”LP-Arkay Records-Accent on Steam:Vol 1- misc steamers around the world- D&RGW/South Africa/Germany/Ecuador/Chessie-excellent condition $5.00 Record-12”LP O.Winston Link- Sounds Of Steam Railroading Vol 1-N&W Steam c1957-some light scratches $5.00 Record-12”LP Pilot-To-Tender-Records-NKP 759-excellent condition $5.00 Record-12”LP-Sound Bird-SB4-4506-SP 4449/NKP 759/RDG 2101-excellent condition $5.00 Record-12”LP-Audio Fidelity-AFSD-5843- Railroad Sounds-IC steam in New Orleans-excellent Condition $5.00 Record-12”LP-Sound Bird SB4-4505 Steel Rails Under Thundering Skies--11 different steamers-excellent condition $5.00 Record-7” 33 1/3-Arkay AR-103 Over The Sierras-SP 4449-excellent condition $4.00 Record-7” 33 1/3-Pilot-To-Tender Pacing UP 844-excellent condition $4.00 Take all records for only $40! DVD/Video: Beta: Glory Machines Herron Rail Services $2.00 Collectors Series, Vol 1 Hopewell Productions $2.00 Best of 1984 Pentrex $2.00 Best Of 1985 Pentrex $2.00 Best Of 1986 Pentrex $2.00 Best Of 1987 Pentrex $2.00 Cajon Pass/Tehachapi Loop Pentrex $2.00 VHS: Railroad Classics: Vols 1-5 Burlington Northern RR $35.00 Classic TV Train Commercials of the ‘50s & ‘60s Alpha Video Productions $3.00 Minneapolis & St. Louis Railway Casey Jones Video Productions $7.00 America’s Historic Steam Railroads Gold Hill $5.00 America’s Historic Steam RR’s: C&TS and RC&BT Gold Hill $5.00 Great American Train Rides Good Times Video $4.00 Great Railroads Good Tomes Video $4.00 Steam In The ‘50s Green Frog $5.00 Steam In The ‘50s, Vol 3 Green Frog $5.00 Cass! Hopewell Productions $4.00 America’s Railroads: Steam Train Legacy MM&V $4.00 Running A Steam Locomotive:Vols 1,2 & 3 National Syndications $8.00 All Aboard Series, Vol 1 Pentrex $4.00 Amtrak’s Autotrain Pentrex $4.00 Best Of The West Pentrex $4.00 Big Trains Rolling Pentrex $4.00 Chattanooga Steam Reunion Pentrex $4.00 Clinchfield Challenger Pentrex $4.00 Evolution Of The Air Brake Pentrex $4.00 Mainline USA Pentrex $4.00 MARC Railroading-Summer 1994 Pentrex $4.00 Mariners In Hardhats Pentrex $4.00 Movin’ On Pentrex $4.00 Mt. Rainier Scenic’s Heisler, Shay & Climax Pentrex $4.00 New Georgia Steam Excursions Pentrex $4.00 NYC: An Insiders View Pentrex $4.00 Railroading With The Rio Grande Pentrex $4.00 Sacramento Railfair 1991 Pentrex $4.00 San Jose Steam Celebration Pentrex $4.00 Santa Fe #3751 Pentrex $4.00 St. Louis Steam Celebration Pentrex $4.00 Steam ‘98 Pentrex $4.00 Steam Across America Vol 1: The East Pentrex $4.00 Steam To Sacramento Pentrex $4.00 The Steam Locomotive Pentrex $4.00 Today’s Steam Across America Pentrex $4.00 Washington Centennial Steam Pentrex $4.00 All Aboard: 150 Years On The Right Track Readers Digest $4.00 Alaska: The McKinley Explorer Skyriver Films $4.00 Wheels A’Rolling Video Images $4.00 DVD: Dream-Build-Plan Kalmbach $2.00 Scenery & Airbrushing Made Easy Kalmbach $2.00 Thanks for looking and I hope you found something you needed !!!! Feel free to pass this list to others who might be interested ! --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Ben Serzo <bpserzo@...> wrote: From: Ben Serzo <bpserzo@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] For Sale To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 9:41 PM Roger, Do you still have any S scale items for sale?  Please send me an email with the items and the asking price you would like. Thanks, Ben Serzo (215)491-1456 NASG/NPSG Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: huber25@... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 02:36:08 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale                                         I have some AF stuff and also scale items for sale. If you are interested please email me OFFLINE for a copy of the list. Thanks, Roger Huber huber25@...                                           _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Spread the word when you add celeb photos to your e-mails. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55211	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern update

I would like to see pictures, Just like with the ball field. --- On Wed, 7/8/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern update To: "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>, "John Cangemi" <godfather55@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 8:13 PM The tavern is coming along fine, as the base is 3 pieces and now painted concrete. I have primed the 8 wall pieces and made some bracing on the inside. I ordered several different colors of paint for the tavern and they are being shipped tomorrow. Richard Kimble will be getting a job there before he has to take off again. I will have to wreck a train however, to make this realistic. Just kidding. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55212	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

What? No one armed Lego Man..... Mike in Or In a message dated 7/10/2009 2:51:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Thanks Joe, as that RR was not running a tourist train in the 1980's when I used to camp in the Smokies. I see that wreckage was for the Movie not the TV show. Here is a re-enactment using model trains of the opening scene. After it says the end, there is more to follow. _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDJ6rfq_5Vk) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Haenn To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene Mike, That train sequence was shot in North Carolina. The wreckage still exists trackside and is one of the attractions of the Great Smoky mountain Railroad, which runs between Dillsboro (a quaint little town with plenty of antique and curio shops) and Bryson City (which has a Lionel train museum, store, and large operating layout). Joe --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@..m> wrote: > > _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://wwhttp_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXb_6-2zOw) > > Good old Youtube to have the intro of the Fugitive and forever to be imbedded in my mind the horn sound from this opening and my diesel engine. LOL > > The voice over is the man who played Frank Cannon and sold million of First Alert fire alarms. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55213	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern update

Only the base is complete, nothing really to see, but I will put some pictures in my album. The paint I need for the tavern will be here tomorrow. I have been making the lobster traps I got from Bar Mills too! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55214	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

LOL No, they did not show the one arm man in the beginning credits, I think. Maybe they can do a re-enactment of the final show. But no train was involve, only a amusement park, I believe, with a water tower, maybe a bubbling AF one. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55215	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

Here's a tidbit. The amusement park that was used was in Calif. it was POP, Pacific Ocean Park...I went there as a kid. It was closed down. Ratty place. Also there was the Paragon Ballroom where I believe L. Welk started. Mike in ore In a message dated 7/10/2009 4:21:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: LOL No, they did not show the one arm man in the beginning credits, I think. Maybe they can do a re-enactment of the final show. But no train was involve, only a amusement park, I believe, with a water tower, maybe a bubbling AF one. Mike **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55216	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: AF gp7 370 follow up

All the costs and most needed info are on our web site. _sns-trains@..._ (mailto:sns-trains@...) Steve In a message dated 07/10/2009 12:22:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Can you post some Costs!!!!! bob Conner --- On Fri, 7/10/09, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:49 AM If you could buy one, the Lionel S-Gauge GEEP motor assembly would work but, there has to be a slot milled into the truck for the drive shaft to rotate in. Then you would have a loco that is prone to jackrabbit starts because "L" uses 1:1 drive shaft to motor gears. We use a 22 tooth drive gear into a 32 tooth drive shaft gear giving a lower gearing ratio and less apt to jackrabbit. We also use Johnson motors and our own motor mounts. Can install for either AC or DC operation. We have done over 300 of them so far. Steve SnS Trains Boise. In a message dated 07/09/2009 1:43:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@ yahoo.com writes: I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker. com. (_http://www.tourtrac_ (http://www.tourtrac/) ker.com/? ncid=emlcntusmus i00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55217	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF GP-&7 #370

I don't know since I never saw it come up... In a message dated 07/10/2009 12:23:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Steve, Is message 55199 the one you're referring to????? BG1 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@... wrote: > > I posted a response to this yesterday, but it hasn't shown up as of yet. > Maybe it was edited out. If you want to know about this, email me at > _snstrains@. _snstrains@.<WBR>.._ _snst > > Steve > > > In a message dated 07/09/2009 8:22:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mrstumpy@... writes: > > > > > > Putting a DC can motor requires some machining. Let me recommend SnS Trains > out in Boise, ID. Steve Blackburn is a good guy who runs the place and > makes can motor kits for most old Flyer locos and other items. He also does > installations and machining as well, so this could be a one stop shop for > you. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer of junk box rebuilds...in Appalachia. > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Summer concert season is here! Find your favori > tour at TourTracker. tour > (_http://www.tourtrachttp://wwhttp://www.tourthttp://ww_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55218	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: PAUL YORKES WEB SITE

Is anyone else having trouble with Paul's site. The "LINKS" & "PARTS" come up as URL NOT FOUND. Mike in Ore **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55219	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/10/2009
Subject: Re: AF gp7 370 follow up

Can you send me the website... all I get is the email address... Bob Moderator: http://sns-trains.com --- On Fri, 7/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 follow up To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 8:06 PM All the costs and most needed info are on our web site. _sns-trains@ aol.com_ (mailto:sns-trains@aol. com) Steve In a message dated 07/10/2009 12:22:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@bellsouth. net writes: Can you post some Costs!!!!! bob Conner --- On Fri, 7/10/09, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF gp7 370 To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:49 AM If you could buy one, the Lionel S-Gauge GEEP motor assembly would work but, there has to be a slot milled into the truck for the drive shaft to rotate in. Then you would have a loco that is prone to jackrabbit starts because "L" uses 1:1 drive shaft to motor gears. We use a 22 tooth drive gear into a 32 tooth drive shaft gear giving a lower gearing ratio and less apt to jackrabbit. We also use Johnson motors and our own motor mounts. Can install for either AC or DC operation. We have done over 300 of them so far. Steve SnS Trains Boise. In a message dated 07/09/2009 1:43:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@ yahoo.com writes: I've got an old #370 gp7 switcher I'd like to get running again. Does anyone know if there is a simple can motor I can buy to put in the switcher? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker. com. (_http://www.tourtrac _ (http://www.tourtrac /) ker.com/? ncid=emlcntusmus i00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker. com. (http://www.tourtrac ker.com/? ncid=emlcntusmus i00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55220	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: PAUL YORKES WEB SITE

Mike, Richard Kimble took it down. Thanks for the name of the amusement park, as you are right. Nice video of it on You Tube. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: PAUL YORKES WEB SITE Is anyone else having trouble with Paul's site. The "LINKS" & "PARTS" come up as URL NOT FOUND. Mike in Ore **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55221	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: The Fugitive Train Opening Scene

Thanks, Joe. That's a bit of information I never knew. Sandra and I make some trips to places of interest in NC sometimes. I'll put this one on the list. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55222	From: jhl1963	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: FS 7 Lionel Reissue Accessories NIB for sale

Love tyo see them go to a good home. Only the talking station has been opened: Individually, or how about $500 for all delivered. Talking station - $95 Gabe lamploghter - $120 787 logloader - $125 774 floodlight - $60 6-49824 loading platform $119 773 oil derrick $60 789 baggage smasher $105 Happy to meet in the NYC/NJ/CT area. TCA member

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55223	From: Jim King	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: 50 ft PS1 box kit

I'm shopping for future project ideas and a couple of folks had suggested a 50 ft PS1 with 8 foot door as a good one. BUNCHES of roads got these new from P-S in the 1950s and some still run in MOW service today . I see variations of that car on NS work trains and ribbon rail trains quite often (ex-SR, N&W and CR heritage). Let me know off-list if this is of interest to y'all. I need at least 100 sales to make it worthwhile. Retail price will be $80 including couplers, excluding trucks and decals . but my 70-ton RB trucks are available for you "detail hounds". Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55224	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Miller

I just picked up a MILLER Diesel Switcher.... Someone did a very nice job on it years ago... My question.... So I won't screw it up, its DC with 4 Motors... 1 on each set of wheels, and the trucks swivil 360 degrees each..... Should I look for anything special before I put the Juice To It!!!!!.... Its very heavy with installed AF KC's.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55225	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: af gp7 370

I tried horsing around with the brushes. If I lean on one of them the motor almost moves, but I am not that great of a repair maven so I can't get it going. I figured it would be easier to install a can motor. jn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55226	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller

----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner I just picked up a MILLER Diesel Switcher.... . . . . .Should I look for anything special before I put the Juice To It!!!!!..... . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > Be careful. The speed was very hard to control on those things. Maybe put a few cars behind it from the beginning. I trust you're running it on DC. tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12800 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55227	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Truly A Tragedy

I just finished reading this news story and feel so bad that youngsters don't think they can be hurt in this world. This was one of the most important points stressed to us, as teenagers, mainly because not as many tracks had drop down gate crossings. I know many of you out there in your fifties remember the driver ed movies. What happened to showing them so maybe someone would think before doing? http://news.aol.com/article/lives-lost-on-detroit-tracks/564797?icid=main Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55228	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller

No instructions..... was told DC.... HO power pack work???? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner I just picked up a MILLER Diesel Switcher.... . . . . .Should I look for anything special before I put the Juice To It!!!!!..... . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > Be careful. The speed was very hard to control on those things. Maybe put a few cars behind it from the beginning. I trust you're running it on DC. tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55229	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: af gp7 370

Sounds like you may just need new brushes and springs. FAR cheaper than a can motor installation, Jack. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > I tried horsing around with the brushes. If I lean on one of them the motor almost moves, but I am not that great of a repair maven so I can't get it going. I figured it would be easier to install a can motor. > jn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55230	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller

----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner HO power pack work [for a MILLER Diesel Switcher] ???? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably. That's what most of us use. Try it. Tom Hawley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12800 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55231	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy

Yes, and this week in Lutherville, MD two teen boys were killed as they walked along light rail tracks and were hit from behind. Very sad. These trains cannot stop quickly. Tell your teens about these stories. Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carlton Lowry Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Truly A Tragedy I just finished reading this news story and feel so bad that youngsters don't think they can be hurt in this world. This was one of the most important points stressed to us, as teenagers, mainly because not as many tracks had drop down gate crossings. I know many of you out there in your fifties remember the driver ed movies. What happened to showing them so maybe someone would think before doing? http://news.aol.com/article/lives-lost-on-detroit-tracks/564797?icid=main Carlton ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.10/2231 - Release Date: 07/11/09 05:57:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55232	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller

Thanks.... will do tommorrow.... Bob --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Miller To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 5:04 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner HO power pack work [for a MILLER Diesel Switcher] ???? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably. That's what most of us use. Try it. Tom Hawley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12800 http://www.pctools com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55233	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Miller Switcher

and he notes - I owned one of these for years. The four motors (which was Bob Miller's original idea) give the loco more torque although it still has a tendency to take off like a rocket ship, but with a little finesse it can be made to run smoothly. Any DC power pack will do but it does have a tendency to draw a lot of current on starting, but then so did the prototype. One funny anecdote - When I first got it I had only a few feet of track so I took it over to Gene Fletcher's place on our usual Friday night operating session. He had a long 'dog-bone' loop and very well laid track so it was a good place to test equipment. We set it up on the main line and started her up. Ran smooth and very quiet until it came upon the first Kadee uncoupling ramp. where it almost stalled. That was a surprise as it seemed to be running just fine. Gene, who was at the throttle, backed it up slowly and the darned thing see-sawed back and forth over the ramp until it came to a stop! The combination of magnets in the motors and the uncoupling ramp created a magnetic field that held like a fly stuck to flypaper. A nudge past the ramp and it was on its way again and when it passed over a second ramp, Gene increased the throttle and it almost made it. Needless to say it was a bit disappointing but since I used Devore couplers on my own layout at the time it didn't have a problem. One more item - it likes to pick up loose spikes or anything else made of iron or steel. I eventually sold it to C. D. Lasley and got another one with a gear driven drive made by Ed Schumacher. I still have that one (somewhere). Raleigh in sunny but cool Maine... At 04:00 PM 7/11/2009, you wrote: >No instructions..... was told DC.... HO power pack work???? Bob > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Robert Conner >I just picked up a MILLER Diesel Switcher.... . . . . .Should I look for >anything special before I put the Juice To It!!!!!..... . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > >Be careful. The speed was very hard to control on those things. Maybe put >a few cars behind it from the beginning. I trust you're running it on DC. >tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55234	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy

Carlton,   I am not a hard-hearted person and I can not imagine the grief felt by the parents and friends of those young kids that were lost. On the other hand, who has mentioned how the engineer of that train moving at a high speed, must be feeling. He could not stop, he could not do anything as his train killed those very foolish and unthinking children while they commited a FELONY. Going around closed crossing gates is a felony. There was no emergency. No one was rushing to a hospital or fleeing for their lives.   He will be forced to live with that image in his mind forever. A friend of mine is an engineer for Amtrak. He knows others that have had that experience. A lot of them leave the industry and require years of counseling.  The driver of the car passed a driver's exam that should have tested the ability to avoid that life-threatening situation.   What would the headlines have read if the train derailed after the impact and passengers would have been killed? There was no excuse for their actions. It endangered more people than themselves.   True, those kids deserve our prayers, let's not forget the other folks that were a part of that tragedy and will be forced to relive it every day.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp From: Carlton Lowry <Crpntr12449@...> Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 3:42 PM I just finished reading this news story and feel so bad that youngsters don't think they can be hurt in this world. This was one of the most important points stressed to us, as teenagers, mainly because not as many tracks had drop down gate crossings. I know many of you out there in your fifties remember the driver ed movies. What happened to showing them so maybe someone would think before doing? http://news.aol.com/article/lives-lost-on-detroit-tracks/564797?icid=main Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55235	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: af gp7 370

Hi Jack,                  Check your wheels and make sure these are clea. Make sure the track is clean.  If you are getting movement when you move the brushes, check the wiring. See if it is loose or broken.   I gave you the part number from Lionel.  The part number which is a complete motor & chassis is 40-8251-40.  If you can't get it going check with a local hobby shop that is a Lionel Service Station. Ask them if they will sell you the part. Price range is $45 to $75.00 or check with Doug Peck or Fred Jester. I know Fred had some of those motors some time ago.                                     Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] af gp7 370 To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:01 PM I tried horsing around with the brushes. If I lean on one of them the motor almost moves, but I am not that great of a repair maven so I can't get it going. I figured it would be easier to install a can motor. jn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55236	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/12/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55237	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy-Consider the engineer and crew, and passengers

You are so right. I worked on the Santa Fe between semesters and one summer and I heard ghastly tales of vehicular/train crashes. Not only the engineer but the rest of the crew is affected as well. Passengers on the Amtrak train will never forget the incident either. I cannot tell you how many times an old pickup or Chevy or Ford with youngsters inside would apparently wait until the last second before darting across the tracks at a rural crossing just ahead of our mile-long freight doing 70. It seems that no matter how much education or warnings teen agers receive, many times their judgment has not caught up with their body maturity. That is no excuse, that is just the way their brains work. It sure was how my brain worked when I was a teenager. But because of my early experience of playing with model trains and learning early on the life-threatening dangers around the prototypes, I never did anything as foolish as going under crossing gates or trying to beat a train to a crossing. IMHO, Operation Lifesaver classes should be a requirement in elementary through high school. Roy Inman > > > > > > Carlton, >   >   > He will be forced to live with that image in his mind forever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55238	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: Re: FS 7 Lionel Reissue Accessories NIB for sale

I need the log loader for our new club's modular layout - definitely a good home for it where it will be seen and enjoyed by hundreds of people every year and will help promote S-Gauge model railroading!  How about $110 including insured shipping to San Diego 92014? Bob Graves http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/ --- On Sat, 7/11/09, jhl1963 <jhl1963@...> wrote: From: jhl1963 <jhl1963@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FS 7 Lionel Reissue Accessories NIB for sale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 8:14 AM Love tyo see them go to a good home. Only the talking station has been opened: Individually, or how about $500 for all delivered. Talking station - $95 Gabe lamploghter - $120 787 logloader - $125 774 floodlight - $60 6-49824 loading platform $119 773 oil derrick $60 789 baggage smasher $105 Happy to meet in the NYC/NJ/CT area. TCA member [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55239	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/11/2009
Subject: #49813 Baggage Smasher, Lionel's remake of the #789

Can anyone tell me the size of the footprint of the #49813 Baggage Smasher, Lionel's remake of the #789?  I'm especially interested in its depth from front track edge to the back edge.  Thanks. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55240	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: #49813 Baggage Smasher, Lionel's remake of the #789

Bob; Dimensions are 10" long by 7 1/4" deep. Also be aware that rear roof overhang is 1/2" additional. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:03 pm Subject: [S-Trains] #49813 Baggage Smasher, Lionel's remake of the #789 To: s-trains@... > Can anyone tell me the size of the footprint of the #49813 > Baggage Smasher, Lionel's remake of the #789? I'm especially > interested in its depth from front track edge to the back edge. > Thanks. > Bob > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55241	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Paul Yorke's Train Site

Hello Friends, Just thought I would poke my head up and confirm my status. 1) I'm still here, but from a train perspective 'just barely'. I still have most of my trains, but they are on the shelf or in a box. (the layout is long gone) 2) I scan the digest, most days. (other wonderful folks do the day to day heavy lifting, be nice to them!). 3) My work from home business (Oracle PL/SQL Database application development) is chugging along nicely. 4) My owl/bird watching hobby, up coming high school reunion, 10 acres of Florida jungle, gardening, home improvements, Solar Energy, and trying to take better care of myself are all consuming my time these days. 5) I am experimenting and learning about new ways to build websites. As far as S-Trains.com, I have obviously not touched it in years. I would like to make it more interactive but have not figured it out yet. I guess the list is them most 'interactive' part of the list. The friendships that have developed are the best offshoot. I also try to pop in on the Chat. But now the point of this note, the link list... There are lots of great S sites these days, not like the old days. There are several sites that have lists of links. I guess I would suggest that you (yes you) visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links and make sure.. 1) Any site that has a good list of 'S' links is mentioned. 2) Your favorite 'S' site is also listed. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55242	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show this weekend - Hartford, CT - Friday Update

Last day and a new discovery, S scale birds. Boy, you think you know stuff and then Manfred Lesser came to the NASG mfgs. booth this morning and informed us of these neat little s scale birds he produces. He was sharing a booth with Sylvan Models. A short walk over and I was picking out packets of decorated birds to perch on all of my buildings. I saw robins, cardinals, blue birds, eagles, pigeons, sea gulls, orioles, Blue herons, and other assorted other featured friends. I purchased a few, but will be getting more. His website is not up yet, but he can be reached at: 638 Layard St., London, ON N5Z 1L4 Bill Banta dropped by a few minutes ago to update us on the NASG brick warehouse kits. He had sent me an image a few weeks ago of a completed building. He only needs to order boxes and complete the instructions. I have uploaded the image of the completed building to the NTS folder in our e-groups. Go to the new photos for your group and you should be able to see all the photos I have uploaded. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55243	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy-Consider the engineer and crew, and passengers

In the report, a 20 year old male who had previously been a passenger with the idiot who drove around the crossing gate is quoted as having said that "the driver of the car was not a reckless driver....he just didn't think all the time." If he has a driver's license, then it should be immediately suspended: as is apparently his ability to reason. Art Shifrin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55244	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy

That is so sad to read about some one that has been hit by a train. Every time I drive to work or home from work I drive by the main line that goes from Portland to Cal. I hear the horn at night too from my home. I see kids walking the tracks all the time down there too. I know from growing up a few blocks south of where I am now, and more closer to the tracks then that people were getting hit by the train walking home. Not much to put in the bag. The cops would be sick from picking it up, and or finding it. I could always tell by the sound of the horn blast that some thing was up down there. AM Track or the big GP's - locomotives going by all the time... Clayton  OR  --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Carlton Lowry <Crpntr12449@...> wrote: From: Carlton Lowry <Crpntr12449@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Truly A Tragedy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:42 PM I just finished reading this news story and feel so bad that youngsters don't think they can be hurt in this world. This was one of the most important points stressed to us, as teenagers, mainly because not as many tracks had drop down gate crossings. I know many of you out there in your fifties remember the driver ed movies. What happened to showing them so maybe someone would think before doing? http://news. aol.com/article/ lives-lost- on-detroit- tracks/564797? icid=main Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55245	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy-Consider the engineer and crew, and passengers

Yes, the train crew really suffers. I was talking with a retired RR friend some years back, and somehow this subject came up. He suddenly looked very sad and said, "You never forget it." Afer a moment of silence I changed the subject. But that short comment has remained with me. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55246	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: 50 ft PS1 box kit

Jim, You might also consider the 40' version as there are decals available for them. Gary Chudzinski >50 ft PS1 box kit Posted by: "Jim King" jimking3@... smokymtn28805 Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:34 pm (PDT) I'm shopping for future project ideas and a couple of folks had suggested a 50 ft PS1 with 8 foot door as a good one. BUNCHES of roads got these new from P-S in the 1950s and some still run in MOW service today . I see variations of that car on NS work trains and ribbon rail trains quite often (ex-SR, N&W and CR heritage). Let me know off-list if this is of interest to y'all. I need at least 100 sales to make it worthwhile. Retail price will be $80 including couplers, excluding trucks and decals . but my 70-ton RB trucks are available for you "detail hounds". Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55247	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: National Train Show this weekend - Hartford, CT - Friday Update

Great, I see the train show was then a total success with the announcement of S scale birds. Where do I find Mr. Lesser so I can some for my 8 S scale cats to have a go at. Lets see, I have S scale Lobster traps from Bar Mills, square and rounded. Tell me Mr. Lesser might have some S scale Lobsters? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: Group ; S Train e-group Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: National Train Show this weekend - Hartford, CT - Friday Update Last day and a new discovery, S scale birds. Boy, you think you know stuff and then Manfred Lesser came to the NASG mfgs. booth this morning and informed us of these neat little s scale birds he produces. He was sharing a booth with Sylvan Models. A short walk over and I was picking out packets of decorated birds to perch on all of my buildings. I saw robins, cardinals, blue birds, eagles, pigeons, sea gulls, orioles, Blue herons, and other assorted other featured friends. I purchased a few, but will be getting more. His website is not up yet, but he can be reached at: 638 Layard St., London, ON N5Z 1L4 Bill Banta dropped by a few minutes ago to update us on the NASG brick warehouse kits. He had sent me an image a few weeks ago of a completed building. He only needs to order boxes and complete the instructions. I have uploaded the image of the completed building to the NTS folder in our e-groups. Go to the new photos for your group and you should be able to see all the photos I have uploaded. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55248	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/12/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55249	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Is there an 0 train group

I could not locate it. I have a question about some old merican Flyer . They were 0 amd standard ane wide ( and H0 ) before they were ' S '.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55250	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Is there an 0 train group

There certainly is. Search your Yahoo groups for Pre-war O gauge Trains and you will find it. BTW Wide Gauge was Flyer's name for Standard Gauge. Often thought there should be just a Gilbert or American Flyer group, though the battle of the gauges is still alive and well, even though the war was lost (not through merit) in the 1960's and many Flyer S gaugers will not admit that Gilbert ever made anything else. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Is there an 0 train group I could not locate it. I have a question about some old merican Flyer . They were 0 amd standard ane wide ( and H0 ) before they were ' S '. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2234 - Release Date: 07/12/09 17:56:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Richard Kimball, MD.

I wrote that since I am now reminded of the Fugitive due to the diesel horn on my DCC engine, that Richard Kimball will be working at the tavern, as one of his odd jobs he gets in each episode. However, a non train friend busted my balloon by telling me that David Janssen, the actor who played Kimball died to alcoholism. Soooo, that might not be a good idea having Kimball working at the Tavern. So, it is a toss up now as having Richard Kimball as manager of the Frosty Bar or the Station Master at the Plasticville RR station. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55252	From: zdava	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work

My AF northern does not smoke except at full speed, which then is too fast and flys off the track. Also, and perhaps related, the engine moves about 1 foot distance before the e-unit sequences. I am thinking of putting in some diodes in series with the motor, dropping it by about 2 volts. I am then hoping that the smoke heater element gets more current and the e-unit will engage before the motor starts. Has anyone tried this? Any other thoughts or suggestions? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55253	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Is there an 0 train group

Hi Mike,                      I don't know about the 0.  American Flyer Wide Gauge is Standard Gauge. A.C. Gilbert never made any Standard Gauge.  He bought American Flyer in 1938.  The first trains he made were HO in 1938.  In 1939, Gilbert began making 3/16" Scale trains to run on "O" Gauge track.  Greenberg Publishing had a book "Greenbergs Guide to American Flyer Wide Gauge which has a lot of information on the Wide Gauge.  I'm not sure if it is still in publication.                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/12/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Is there an 0 train group To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 6:28 PM I could not locate it. I have a question about some old merican Flyer . They were 0 amd standard ane wide ( and H0 ) before they were ' S '. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55254	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Handrail location

Greetings! Need help locating the hole in the boiler shell for the pilot handrail on the 350 Royal Blue. Thanks and best wishes. Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55255	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work

Dave, I just worked on a 332 for a friend. What you have is an e-unit that is sticking and needs cleaned. The smoking problem is the reason Gilbert added the 5th wire in later units. It was a direct wire to put track voltage directly to the smoke element. As far as the use of diodes, I can't answer that one. I try to keep my units as original as possible, so I don't do any alterations. Someone else in the group may be able to address that possibility. Good luck, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: zdava@... Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:39:46 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work My AF northern does not smoke except at full speed, which then is too fast and flys off the track. Also, and perhaps related, the engine moves about 1 foot distance before the e-unit sequences. I am thinking of putting in some diodes in series with the motor, dropping it by about 2 volts. I am then hoping that the smoke heater element gets more current and the e-unit will engage before the motor starts. Has anyone tried this? Any other thoughts or suggestions? Dave _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� SkyDrive�: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55256	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.

and he notes - Your friend is quoting one of several unfounded rumors that abounded at the time about David Janssen. He died in 1980 from a sudden heart attack at his Malibu home at the age of 48. There were stories that Janssen succumbed to alcoholism, a problem that plagued him most of his adult life and there were even unfounded rumors about drug use. However, a much more reasonable explanation for his sudden demise is that this intense, dedicated, determined actor simply worked himself to death. He drank and smoked but that wasn't what did him in. So put him back on the payroll at the tap room he was a good hearted man with a bum ticker. And for you wannabe astronauts (those who took up space in school), he will be appearing on TCM in "Marooned" on July 21st in the wee hours. Raleigh in Maine with two days without raine!!!! At 07:20 PM 7/12/2009, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: >I wrote that since I am now reminded of the Fugitive due to the >diesel horn on my DCC engine, that Richard Kimball will be working >at the tavern, as one of his odd jobs he gets in each episode. > >However, a non train friend busted my balloon by telling me that >David Janssen, the actor who played Kimball died to alcoholism. > >Soooo, that might not be a good idea having Kimball working at the Tavern. > >So, it is a toss up now as having Richard Kimball as manager of the >Frosty Bar or the Station Master at the Plasticville RR station. > >Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55257	From: michael prell	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.

Actually, not true. Heart attack.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Richard Kimball, MD. To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, "John Cangemi" <godfather55@...>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 7:20 PM I wrote that since I am now reminded of the Fugitive due to the diesel horn on my DCC engine, that Richard Kimball will be working at the tavern, as one of his odd jobs he gets in each episode. However, a non train friend busted my balloon by telling me that David Janssen, the actor who played Kimball died to alcoholism. Soooo, that might not be a good idea having Kimball working at the Tavern. So, it is a toss up now as having Richard Kimball as manager of the Frosty Bar or the Station Master at the Plasticville RR station. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55258	From: george leidinger	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work

What type of smoke fluid are you using???  Maybe the smoke unit may need to be replaced???   Check wiring to smoke unit??? --- On Sun, 7/12/09, zdava <zdava@...> wrote: From: zdava <zdava@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:39 PM My AF northern does not smoke except at full speed, which then is too fast and flys off the track. Also, and perhaps related, the engine moves about 1 foot distance before the e-unit sequences. I am thinking of putting in some diodes in series with the motor, dropping it by about 2 volts. I am then hoping that the smoke heater element gets more current and the e-unit will engage before the motor starts. Has anyone tried this? Any other thoughts or suggestions? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55259	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.

Thanks Rollain and Michael for that information. I will let my friend know. So, Kimble will be hired to work to the tavern, as the walls are completely painted, a drizzle gray and the windows are being painted now, a eggshade white. Once the tavern is up and running, Dr. Kimble has the job as bar keep. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Richard Kimball, MD. Actually, not true. Heart attack. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Richard Kimball, MD. To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, "John Cangemi" <godfather55@...>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 7:20 PM I wrote that since I am now reminded of the Fugitive due to the diesel horn on my DCC engine, that Richard Kimball will be working at the tavern, as one of his odd jobs he gets in each episode. However, a non train friend busted my balloon by telling me that David Janssen, the actor who played Kimball died to alcoholism. Soooo, that might not be a good idea having Kimball working at the Tavern. So, it is a toss up now as having Richard Kimball as manager of the Frosty Bar or the Station Master at the Plasticville RR station. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55260	From: zdava	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, george leidinger <smoothsoul2003@...> wrote: > > What type of smoke fluid are you using???  Maybe the smoke unit may need to be replaced???   Check wiring to smoke unit??? > > --- On Sun, 7/12/09, zdava <zdava@...> wrote: > > > From: zdava <zdava@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 Northern - Need to go full speed for smoke to work > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:39 PM > > My AF northern does not smoke except at full speed, which then is too fast and flys off the track. Also, and perhaps related, the engine moves about 1 foot distance before the e-unit sequences. > > I am thinking of putting in some diodes in series with the motor, dropping it by about 2 volts. I am then hoping that the smoke heater element gets more current and the e-unit will engage before the motor starts. > > Has anyone tried this? Any other thoughts or suggestions? > > Dave > > > Is there a wiring diagram online for a 332 Northern? Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55261	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Richard Kimball, MD.

WHAT then, may I ask, falls on the plain??? Jim "curious on the PENNSY Main" Lyle In a message dated 7/13/2009 10:18:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raleigh15@... writes: Raleigh in Maine with two days without raine!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55262	From: Jim King	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: 50 ft PS1 box kit

Gary, Kaslo produced the 40 ft PS1 and I don't want to tread on John's path. There are many other projects to make without creating ill will and direct competition between manufacturers. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55263	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/13/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail location

HI Charlie,                          Which version of the 350 Royal Blue is yours?  The 1948 version has wire handrails. The 1950 version. does not.  The unit with the handrails has 4 total. 2 - Pilot to Boiler and 2 - Long rails along the boiler.  If you have the 1948 version, look around the pilot section on each side, these should be there.                                                     Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 7/13/09, charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Handrail location To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 11:58 PM Greetings! Need help locating the hole in the boiler shell for the pilot handrail on the 350 Royal Blue. Thanks and best wishes. Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55264	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: TMCC Question

This has probably been asked before. I am finally building the dream layout. Up to this point I have been using a couple of old AF transformers (16B and 18B) for track power. After completing the first loop of track I decided to test run some trains. I noticed the newer locomotives (Flyonel PA, Flyonel 4-8-4, AM GP9) all wanted to jackrabbit start and exhibited rather poor speed control. The AM GP9 started moving as soon as the deadman throttle was engaged. I believe the problem to be related to the transformer. Would the TMCC system give me better slow speed response and throttle control, or would I be better off to buy a modern transformer like the MRC Pure Power series? It will be some time before I could consider converting many locomotives to full TMCC. I am wiring the layout for block control as I am building. When complete I will have 4 interconnected loops and be able to run 4-5 trains at the same time. Thanks in advance for the help. Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55265	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@...> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:................ Password:............................ Date of Birth:...................... Country Or Territory:.................... After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55266	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: Truly A Tragedy

Art et al., This incident occurred only two miles from my house, and the local papers covered it very well. To add even more to the tragedy is the fact that the young man who was driving was doing so on a suspended license. He borrowed the car from his mom, who allowed him to do so. CSX operates an "Operation Lifesaver" that is at most large local train shows. Too bad this young man didn't attend, or pay attention to it. Unfortunately, there is nothing illegal in being young and careless. To further compound the tragedy was that the young lady riding with him was forbidden to go with him and was on her way home at the time. We all love trains, and have come to respect them as well. Let's try to pass that along to others as well as we can. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 S Spree --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: > > In the report, a 20 year old male who had previously been a passenger with the idiot who drove around the crossing gate is quoted as having said that "the driver of the car was not a reckless driver....he just didn't think all the time." If he has a driver's license, then it should be immediately suspended: as is apparently his ability to reason. > > Art Shifrin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55267	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Search Problem

I have noticed that search in this group doesn't really work, especially for newer posts. Should we notify Yahoo! that we have an issue and need the changeover?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55268	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Don't do it....Why would they need your age...Mike In a message dated 7/14/2009 1:10:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drmusic244@... writes: Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <_vzeq552p@..._ (mailto:vzeq552p@...) > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:...UserName:User Password:...Password:Password:Passwor Date of Birth:......Date Date Country Or Territory:..Country OCountry O After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55269	From: John Sage	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

No I didn't receive this email.  It doesn't sound exactly right to me.   --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 8:35 AM Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@verizon. net> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:... ......... .... Password:... ......... ......... ....... Date of Birth:...... ......... ....... Country Or Territory:.. ......... ......... After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55270	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

It is bogus. Just ignore it as our colleagues have suggested. Now you have that message from three of us. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Rodgers Sr. Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:35 AM To: S-trains Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55271	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

It is a scam as they would address you by your member name. And ask yourself, why would they need that information from you? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@...> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:................ Password:............................ Date of Birth:...................... Country Or Territory:.................... After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55272	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Train Puzzle

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/magazine/second-glance/071209.html The Washington Post Sunday magazine runs a photo and a altered photo of the original photo. This week, they did a photo of model trains in a hobby Shoppe. This one is really tough to find the 12 differences. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55273	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

It is a phishing email. Ignore and delete. Roy Inman on 7/14/09 3:24 PM, John Sage at majordadsage@... wrote: > > > > > > No I didn't receive this email.  It doesn't sound exactly right to me. >   > > --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@... > <mailto:drmusic244%40msn.com> > wrote: > > From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@... <mailto:drmusic244%40msn.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification > To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 8:35 AM > > Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this > request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account > permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? > > Thanks, > > Doug > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@verizon. net> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM > Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification > > Account Alert > > Dear Valued Member, > > Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all > unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You > will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after > clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours > for security reasons. > > UserName:... ......... .... > Password:... ......... ......... ....... > Date of Birth:...... ......... ....... > > Country Or Territory:.. ......... ......... > > After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be > interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this > request. We apologize for any inconvenience. > > Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 > hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. > > Thank you for using Yahoo! mail > Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ > Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55274	From: Matthew Perks	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Definitely a phishing scam. No one legitimate would ask for your password. ________________________________ From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> To: S-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:35:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@verizon. net> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:... ......... .... Password:... ......... ......... ....... Date of Birth:...... ......... ....... Country Or Territory:.. ......... ......... After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55275	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Don Rodgers Sr. wrote: > > Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this > request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account > permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? > Yahoo scrubbed the e-mail address but most likely this is a scam to get you to reveal your user name and password to a third party. Scammers use techniques like this to obtain information for things like eBay accounts, PayPal accounts, bank accounts etc. Just go to http://www.yahoo.com and log into your account regularly and check for any messages. The e-mail addresses in these phishing e-mails usually point to someone else's server where they harvest the information even though they make look legitimate at first glance. I teach a PC security class at the local community college and this is one topic we spend a lot of time on! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55276	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Delete the email immediately and do not open any of the links in it. It may be a dangerous "phishing" email which could steal all your passwords and empty your online accounts. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification Don't do it....Why would they need your age...Mike In a message dated 7/14/2009 1:10:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drmusic244@... writes: Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <_vzeq552p@..._ (mailto:vzeq552p@...) > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:...UserName:User Password:...Password:Password:Passwor Date of Birth:......Date Date Country Or Territory:..Country OCountry O After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55277	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

If it sounds like it was written by an under age oriental then it most likely was. "If get email tell you send informations - then if do you get what you gets." BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: > > > Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@...> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM > Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Account Alert > > Dear Valued Member, > > > Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all > unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. > > UserName:................ > Password:............................ > Date of Birth:...................... > > Country Or Territory:.................... > > > After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. > > > Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. > > > Thank you for using Yahoo! mail > Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ > Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55278	From: The Reardon's	Date: 7/14/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Nope, I didn't get it. Don't do it! Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rodgers Sr. To: S-trains Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@...> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:................ Password:............................ Date of Birth:...................... Country Or Territory:.................... After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55279	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: SHS promotions - Robin's Summer Sale

Robin's Summer Sale Starts Today! Robin's fabulous Summer Sale is on! It will run for 16 days, two days for each sale, and two items each time! So watch this space! First up, is USRA Hopper 3 car sets. Buy one set, get a second set free! We have six roadnames available in three car sets, but three of them are in limited supply. So order quickly, and please give us a second or third choice if possible. Just go to the USRA Hoppers page, order the 3 car set you want, then list the set you want free in the comments. Remember to list a second and third choice! How about an SW-1 to pull those hoppers! Buy any SW-1 and get a free boxcar or a free DCC decoder in the SW-1. Just go to the SW-1 page, and select the unit you want. Then tell us in the comments if you want the free DCC upgrade, or list any available boxcar and it will be included free. If you choose a boxcar, please list a second choice. Remember, sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay- aways! These sales end midnight Thursday, July 16! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55280	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail location

Greetings Tom! Thanks for the reply. A long story .... I am working with a 354 shell and would like to add handrails from the pilot to the boiler. There are "nibs" on the pilot but nothing on the boiler shell to help locate the other end of the handrail. Am ready to prime, after much filling and sanding, and would like to drill the holes prior to. Thus, my need for a "location". Would really appreciate any help you or the "list" can provide. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Handrail location HI Charlie, Which version of the 350 Royal Blue is yours? The 1948 version has wire handrails. The 1950 version. does not. The unit with the handrails has 4 total. 2 - Pilot to Boiler and 2 - Long rails along the boiler. If you have the 1948 version, look around the pilot section on each side, these should be there. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 7/13/09, charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Handrail location To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 11:58 PM Greetings! Need help locating the hole in the boiler shell for the pilot handrail on the 350 Royal Blue. Thanks and best wishes. Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55281	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question

----- Original Message ----- From: lynnshouse2000 . . . . . . . . . I noticed the newer locomotives (Flyonel PA, Flyonel 4-8-4, AM GP9) all wanted to jackrabbit start and exhibited rather poor speed control. The AM GP9 started moving as soon as the deadman throttle was engaged.. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > The can motors being used by today's manufacturers, American Models &c, are much more efficient and only need a volt or two to start them moving, while the old AF motors required much more voltage. I don't know the exact numbers, but I think it took about 7 volts to start an AF loco moving, so the low end of an AF transformer's output (the first step above zero) was 7 volts. Seven volts will nicely move your AM locos along at a good speed. One solution would be an MRC or AM transformer. Also maybe, a Variac between wall outlet and the AF transformer. Anybody tried that? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12820 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55282	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail location

Hi Charlie,                        You need to have a 1948 Royal Blue and measure the distance of the holes.  I stock the handrail sets, but I don't have a 350 '48 to measure the holes.  If you have the handrail set, position the pilot to boiler rails on the side and drill the holes approximately where these should be.  Carefully, not much wiggle room.  Boiler rails are molded in the boiler casting on 1950 Royal Blue, 353 Circus Engine and 354 & 356 Plastic Silver Bullets. Not sure where you want to put the side rails.  If you have a picture of a 1948 350 you will see the pilot to boiler rail starts under the side boiler rail and goes down to the side of the pilot.  You may want to rethink installing the side boiler rails.  A plastic PA9512A Boiler Shell already has these molded in the shell.                                                             Tom Seccia                                                                                                                    --- On Wed, 7/15/09, charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Handrail location To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 10:43 PM Greetings Tom! Thanks for the reply. A long story .... I am working with a 354 shell and would like to add handrails from the pilot to the boiler. There are "nibs" on the pilot but nothing on the boiler shell to help locate the other end of the handrail. Am ready to prime, after much filling and sanding, and would like to drill the holes prior to. Thus, my need for a "location". Would really appreciate any help you or the "list" can provide. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Handrail location HI Charlie, Which version of the 350 Royal Blue is yours? The 1948 version has wire handrails. The 1950 version. does not. The unit with the handrails has 4 total. 2 - Pilot to Boiler and 2 - Long rails along the boiler. If you have the 1948 version, look around the pilot section on each side, these should be there. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 7/13/09, charlie and edith <charlieandedith@ i2k.com> wrote: From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@ i2k.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Handrail location To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 11:58 PM Greetings! Need help locating the hole in the boiler shell for the pilot handrail on the 350 Royal Blue. Thanks and best wishes. Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55283	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Toy Repair Comic

http://www.gocomics.com/culdesac/ This is today's episode of Cul De Sac, a local comic in the Washington Post. It is dealing with fixing a motorized toy, as I can relate to it with several of AF repairs I have attempted in the past. LOL My attempt at repair work in the past has been good for some of the finest AF repair people in the world. I think some of you have been hear before, maybe? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55284	From: herbw202	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Never, never give your password or other info in reply to and email inquiry. Also, your should be addressed in a specific inquiry by your account name not by dear member. Herb W > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Rodgers Sr. > To: S-trains > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:35 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification > > > > > > > Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? > > Thanks, > > Doug > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@...> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM > Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification > > Account Alert > > Dear Valued Member, > > Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all > unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. > > UserName:................ > Password:............................ > Date of Birth:...................... > > Country Or Territory:.................... > > After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. > > Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. > > > Thank you for using Yahoo! mail > Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ > Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55285	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Hi Mike report this to yahoo it's a spoof so they can trace it don't respond to any unauthorized yahoo e mails thanks stan ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification Don't do it....Why would they need your age...Mike In a message dated 7/14/2009 1:10:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drmusic244@... writes: Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <_vzeq552p@..._ (mailto:vzeq552p@...) > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:...UserName:User Password:...Password:Password:Passwor Date of Birth:......Date Date Country Or Territory:..Country OCountry O After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55286	From: michael prell	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

BOOOOOGUSSSS!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 8:35 AM Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@verizon. net> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:... ......... .... Password:... ......... ......... ....... Date of Birth:...... ......... ....... Country Or Territory:.. ......... ......... After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55287	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

I have to tell you all this, as I know it is not train related. But a few years ago, I got one of these scams from a "bank" and my account would be closed by February 31, if I did not respond. Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: > > > Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@...> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM > Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification > > Account Alert > > Dear Valued Member, > > > Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all > unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. > > UserName:................ > Password:............................ > Date of Birth:...................... > > Country Or Territory:.................... > > > After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. > > > Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. > > > Thank you for using Yahoo! mail > Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ > Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55288	From: michael prell	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Repair Comic

The hid with the hammer's got the right idea! LOL!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 7/15/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Toy Repair Comic To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:23 AM http://www.gocomics .com/culdesac/ This is today's episode of Cul De Sac, a local comic in the Washington Post. It is dealing with fixing a motorized toy, as I can relate to it with several of AF repairs I have attempted in the past. LOL My attempt at repair work in the past has been good for some of the finest AF repair people in the world. I think some of you have been hear before, maybe? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55289	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Repair Comic

Thoroughly enjoyed the cartoon post. Besides AF trains I also build model cars. I refer to my hammer as the UMA...universal model adjuster. --- On Wed, 7/15/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Toy Repair Comic To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:23 AM http://www.gocomics .com/culdesac/ This is today's episode of Cul De Sac, a local comic in the Washington Post. It is dealing with fixing a motorized toy, as I can relate to it with several of AF repairs I have attempted in the past. LOL My attempt at repair work in the past has been good for some of the finest AF repair people in the world. I think some of you have been hear before, maybe? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55290	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Michael Prell, Was that BOOOOOGUSSSS or just Boooooogussss! O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification BOOOOOGUSSSS! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: From: Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Yahoo! Account Verification To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 8:35 AM Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? Thanks, Doug ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@verizon. net> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification Account Alert Dear Valued Member, Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. UserName:... ......... .... Password:... ......... ......... ....... Date of Birth:...... ......... ....... Country Or Territory:.. ......... ......... After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. Thank you for using Yahoo! mail Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55291	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

You are lucky Mike - at one stage I was getting three a day - it is now down to only a couple a week. Mostly thanks to North Korea! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification I have to tell you all this, as I know it is not train related. But a few years ago, I got one of these scams from a "bank" and my account would be closed by February 31, if I did not respond. Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Rodgers Sr. <drmusic244@...> wrote: > > > Did anyone else receive this notice? I don't feel comfortable with this request for my account information within 24 hrs. or I lose my account permantly. Notice the yahoo email address. Is it real? > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Yahoo! alerts <vzeq552p@...> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:39:47 PM > Subject: Yahoo! Account Verification > > Account Alert > > Dear Valued Member, > > > Due to the congestion in all Yahoo account users and removal of all > unused Yahoo Accounts,Yahoo would be shutting down all unused Accounts,You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Info below after clicking the reply botton, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons. > > UserName:................ > Password:............................ > Date of Birth:...................... > > Country Or Territory:.................... > > > After following the instructions in the sheet, your account will not be interrupted and will continue as normal. Thanks for your attention to this request. We apologize for any inconvenience. > > > Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his or her account before 24 hours of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. > > > Thank you for using Yahoo! mail > Warning Code:VX2G99AAJ > Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.15/2239 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55292	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: Toy Repair Comic

The UMA works well on cars, mowers, appliances, etc. LOL Glad some of you like that comic. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: robert hendrickson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Toy Repair Comic Thoroughly enjoyed the cartoon post. Besides AF trains I also build model cars. I refer to my hammer as the UMA...universal model adjuster. --- On Wed, 7/15/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Toy Repair Comic To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:23 AM http://www.gocomics .com/culdesac/ This is today's episode of Cul De Sac, a local comic in the Washington Post. It is dealing with fixing a motorized toy, as I can relate to it with several of AF repairs I have attempted in the past. LOL My attempt at repair work in the past has been good for some of the finest AF repair people in the world. I think some of you have been hear before, maybe? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55293	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Tavern Photos

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/476033754/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=241&count=20&dir=asc Photos of the start of the tavern building that is from Bar Mills. Base is at the location on the layout where it will be. In Hagerstown, MD, there is a tavern behind the baseball wall of the minor league park, as the wall and lights are copied from Hagerstown. This is the first picture of ten. Photos where put in the album not in the order I wanted them to be, not my doing. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55294	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/15/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Yahoo! Account Verification

Alistair, I get them all the time like everyone else, Paypal, banks I do not have accounts with, etc. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55295	From: michael prell	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Photos

The good Doctor's going to have a nice home! Very nice. The corn and cows looked great too. Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern Photos To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 8:50 PM   http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/476033754/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=241& count=20& dir=asc Photos of the start of the tavern building that is from Bar Mills. Base is at the location on the layout where it will be. In Hagerstown, MD, there is a tavern behind the baseball wall of the minor league park, as the wall and lights are copied from Hagerstown. This is the first picture of ten. Photos where put in the album not in the order I wanted them to be, not my doing. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55296	From: jhl1963	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: FS: S-trax - siding, switch, controller, bumpers 25+ pieces of track

Hi guys, i have a package of Strax - most never used, some put together on the floor for literally an hour and taken apart. About 25 pieces of track, switch, siding bumper pieces etc. Pics available. Asking $125 delivered. email jhl1963 at hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55297	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Photos

You mean Richard Kimball right? Lot of free drink-em ups and eat-um ups for the good doctor at the Stadium Tavern. A perk for working there. Remember he can only stay here for a short time until Lt. Gerard catches up with him. Hey a new Marx figure for the layout. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tavern Photos The good Doctor's going to have a nice home! Very nice. The corn and cows looked great too. Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern Photos To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 8:50 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/476033754/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=241& count=20& dir=asc Photos of the start of the tavern building that is from Bar Mills. Base is at the location on the layout where it will be. In Hagerstown, MD, there is a tavern behind the baseball wall of the minor league park, as the wall and lights are copied from Hagerstown. This is the first picture of ten. Photos where put in the album not in the order I wanted them to be, not my doing. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55298	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: 752 SEABOARD COALER

Great job Larry; thanks for sharing! Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore Date: Monday, July 6, 2009 9:03 pm Subject: [S-Trains] 752 SEABOARD COALER To: s-trains > > To the group: I just posted photos of my latest completed > project. There are before and after pictures. With the exception > of the 2 roofs and the windows, all is original. Allmetal parts > were stripped, primed and then painted. Repro parts are from > Doug Peck. Album title says 751 by mistake and I did not know > how to change it. My next project is a 751 log loader. Thanks > for looking. > > Link is as follows: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- > Trains/photos/recent/list > _________________________________________________________________ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55299	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Toy Train Comic

Check this every few days. It changes, but is always entertaining. Used to be updated daily, but not anymore. Seems more like weekly. For some background click "Archives" at the top of the left hand margin. Go to the bottom "First Eight Strips", read them, then choose other archived strips at will. Enjoy - - Toy Train Comic <http://www.toytrunkrailroad.com/> http://www.toytrunkrailroad.com/ <http://www.toytrunkrailroad.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55300	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: UP dummy unit for the 372 Geep?

I have an inquiry from someone who says his dad bought him a Union Pacific "Built by Gilbert" switcher for Christmas 1958 and it came with a matching dummy.  Both trucks were free wheeling and there was no working headlight or horn in it.  Does anyone know of such a dummy made by Gilbert? He says he has an old super-8 movie of it and I've asked him if he can see the number on the dummy.  My guess is that someone put a 372 shell on a dummy chassis. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55301	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: UP dummy unit for the 372 Geep?

Good guess, the dummy might have had a bad motor & it was cheaper to just buy a new one & pull the bad motor & guts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/16/2009 1:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: I have an inquiry from someone who says his dad bought him a Union Pacific "Built by Gilbert" switcher for Christmas 1958 and it came with a matching dummy. Both trucks were free wheeling and there was no working headlight or horn in it. Does anyone know of such a dummy made by Gilbert? He says he has an old super-8 movie of it and I've asked him if he can see the number on the dummy. My guess is that someone put a 372 shell on a dummy chassis. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55302	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Shelf System

Hi All, Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55303	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: New ZOT Backdrop

I am sure there is some cross posting. Please forgive. The link below will take those interested souls to a page with information about the backdrop on my new railroad. I used printed materials from three manufacturers to combine for about 45 feet of backdrop that fits our size trains. http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_2.htm Let me know if there are questions. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55304	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: UP dummy unit for the 372 Geep?

Hi Robert,                  372 Union Pacific never came as a dummy unit. The only GP7's that ccame as dummy units were 375 & 378 T&P Units.  The combinations were 374 with motor, 375 dummy Texas & Pacific and the same set up for 377 with motor, 378 dummy.  Someone most likely put a 372 shell on a dummy chassis.  If it is a 372 Shell reading Built by American Flyer its worth some bucks.                                                  Tom Seccia                                                     --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] UP dummy unit for the 372 Geep? To: s-trains@... Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:58 PM   I have an inquiry from someone who says his dad bought him a Union Pacific "Built by Gilbert" switcher for Christmas 1958 and it came with a matching dummy. Both trucks were free wheeling and there was no working headlight or horn in it. Does anyone know of such a dummy made by Gilbert? He says he has an old super-8 movie of it and I've asked him if he can see the number on the dummy. My guess is that someone put a 372 shell on a dummy chassis. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55305	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: New ZOT Backdrop

Wow that is going to be some layout! Nice work.. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New ZOT Backdrop I am sure there is some cross posting. Please forgive. The link below will take those interested souls to a page with information about the backdrop on my new railroad. I used printed materials from three manufacturers to combine for about 45 feet of backdrop that fits our size trains. http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_2.htm Let me know if there are questions. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55306	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

I use them. They are a nice system. http://www.tuveson.com/trainwall1.htm RailRax are very similar products. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Shelf System Hi All, Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55307	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

I have used it on stairwell walls, where I had limited depth to work with. But in the train rooms, I much prefer the three-step shelf brackets on the walls......they provide MUCH more display space with adequate view of everything. In one train room alone (not an overly large room, either), they resulted in over 1/4 mile of shelf space!You'll find them on my website, at the very bottom of the INDEX column. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55308	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

I have not tried those, BUT .... I do have these: 2002_1124_065910AA.jpg Anyone remember where I got these and what their former use was???? Rick. > Hi All, > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 > > BG1 > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Fwd: Photos in e-mails

I just tried sending a photo through my lantern group on Yahoo, and it worked. Maybe I'll try here to see if it works. -Rick > Subject: Photos in e-mails > > In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails > to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be > done. > I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can > attach photos. > Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up > that way? > I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails > with photos. > A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. > Pretty cool IMHO. > What do ya all think? > > Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55310	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

Hi Carl, They look really good. What spacing did you use? Thanks, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > I use them. They are a nice system. > > http://www.tuveson.com/trainwall1.htm > > RailRax are very similar products. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:01 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Shelf System > > > Hi All, > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55311	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Photos in e-mails

In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be done. I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can attach photos. Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up that way? I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails with photos. A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. Pretty cool IMHO. What do ya all think? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55312	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: Photos in e-mails

No, it does not! Rick. > I just tried sending a photo through my lantern group on Yahoo, > and it worked. Maybe I'll try here to see if it works. > > -Rick > >> Subject: Photos in e-mails >> >> In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails >> to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be >> done. >> I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can >> attach photos. >> Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up >> that way? >> I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails >> with photos. >> A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. >> Pretty cool IMHO. >> What do ya all think? >> >> Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55313	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

My link didn't work. Let's try this: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album109/2002_1124_065910AA > I have not tried those, BUT .... I do have these: > 2002_1124_065910AA.jpg > Anyone remember where I got these and what their former use was???? > > Rick. > > >> Hi All, >> >> Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? >> >> http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 >> >> BG1 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55314	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

Spacing on my wall is 5 inches. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Shelf System Hi Carl, They look really good. What spacing did you use? Thanks, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > I use them. They are a nice system. > > http://www.tuveson.com/trainwall1.htm > > RailRax are very similar products. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:01 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Shelf System > > > Hi All, > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55315	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails

I would say no for four reasons: 1-There is the possibility of transmitting a virus via an attachment. 2-Emails with attachments take longer to download, 3-Emails with attachments require more bandwidth. 4-Attachments take up more space on the receiver¹s HD. Roy Inman on 7/16/09 8:39 PM, Rick Evans at bassflyer@... wrote: > > > > > In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails > to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be done. > I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can > attach photos. > Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up > that way? > I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails with > photos. > A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. > Pretty cool IMHO. > What do ya all think? > > Rick. > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55316	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/16/2009
Subject: Re: New ZOT Backdrop

I hope! Thanks Carl, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of carl@... Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New ZOT Backdrop Wow that is going to be some layout! Nice work.. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55317	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails

I agree with you Roy... IF ... the photo comes in ones e-mail, but it doesn't through Yahoo groups. I e-mailed a photo to my lantern group, and just like my high school group, when you click on the thumbnail, it takes you to Yahoo to see the photo, even though the photo came from my computer. The thumbnail is acting just like a link. Rick > I would say no for four reasons: > > 1-There is the possibility of transmitting a virus via an attachment. > 2-Emails with attachments take longer to download, > 3-Emails with attachments require more bandwidth. > 4-Attachments take up more space on the receiver’s HD. > > Roy Inman > > > on 7/16/09 8:39 PM, Rick Evans at bassflyer@... wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails >> to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be >> done. >> I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can >> attach photos. >> Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up >> that way? >> I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails with >> photos. >> A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. >> Pretty cool IMHO. >> What do ya all think? >> >> Rick. >> >> >> >>> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55318	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Viking Wood Crafts

http://www.vikingwoodcrafts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc This is where I ordered my paint for my Tavern, 6 different colors, that Michaels did not have. Cermacoat paint is very good for kits. Each unit of paint was .99 and their shipping fee is just actual postage cost. I have not explored this site to see what else they have, as I see they have brushes. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55319	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

Doug, That looks like a good approach. What size boards did you use for the shelves? Did you place track on top of the wood shelves or just place the trains on the wood? Thanks, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > I have used it on stairwell walls, where I had limited depth to work with. But in the train rooms, I much prefer the three-step shelf brackets on the walls......they provide MUCH more display space with adequate view of everything. In one train room alone (not an overly large room, either), they resulted in over 1/4 mile of shelf space!You'll find them on my website, at the very bottom of the INDEX column. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > www.flyerparts.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > > > http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 > > > > BG1 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55320	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

You might also want to look into a metals supply yard, if cost is an issue. You might find a piece of Alum. stock that is ready made & might be wider or better suits to your needs. You would if wanted add the rails. They could be stock Gilbert or just rail or Grargaves which I think looks better for display. Mike in Ore PS: Channel could be used if the "ears" were mounted downward & better handle the weight & maybe if you like Lablels In a message dated 7/17/2009 7:38:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Doug, That looks like a good approach. What size boards did you use for the shelves? Did you place track on top of the wood shelves or just place the trains on the wood? Thanks, BG1 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > I have used it on stairwell walls, where I had limited depth to work with. But in the train rooms, I much prefer the three-step shelf brackets on the walls......they provide MUCH more display space with adequate view of everything. In one train room alone (not an overly large room, either), they resulted in over 1/4 mile of shelf space!You'll find them on my website, at the very bottom of the INDEX column. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains. > www.flyerparts. ww > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD- VISA VISA-MASTERCARD- > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Bull_Gator_, <bull_gator_bu> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > > > _http://www.railservhttp://www.http://wwhttp://w_ (http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491) > > > > BG1 > > > **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55321	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism...Robin's Summer Sale Part 2!

Robin's Summer Sale Part 2! Robin's fabulous Summer Sale is on! It will run for 16 days, two days for each sale, and two items most times! So watch this space! This is a "buy 2, get 1 Free" sale on PS-2 Covered Hoppers. Buy two 2- bay or 3-bay PS-2 Covered Hoppers, and get your choice of another 2- Bay or 3-Bay PS-2 Covered Hopper free! For every two you buy, you get another one free. Mix and match road names and 2-bay or 3-bay. We have seven roadnames available in 2-bay, and seven more roadnames in 3-bay. Please give us a second or third choice if possible. Just go to the PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers page and/or the PS-2 3-Bay Covered Hoppers page, order the 2 cars you want, then list the car you want free in the comments. Remember to list a second and third choice! Remember, this sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay-aways! This sale ends midnight Saturday, July 18! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55322	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: "S" Wanted

Wanted 1990 TCA DIXIE DIVISION BOXCAR, WILL PAY FAIR PRICE. THANKS TO ALL, Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55323	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

I have looked into the aluminum shelving from both suppliers and was impressed by the appearance of both. I like their sleek, uncluttered look. I backed off from it because of the freight charges. I can't put much money into this project. (Heck, that's true of any project around here anymore. Our health insurance just went up AGAIN!) I agree with Doug that the adjustable brackets are preferable, and just from what I see on his website, he has a good solution for providing maximum space from one bracket. With his system, you can have one, two, or three shelves supported by the same bracket. That's a plus. The only drawback is how far out the bracket extends from the wall for three shelves. Probably over a foot from the wall (?) If you have that much space to work with along the wall and like the look, I'd go with Doug. I wanted the option of adjusting my shelves, but needed a minimum extension from the wall because of space limitations. I have to squeeze between that wall and my walk-around layout. Even 6 to 10 inches of space makes a difference for me and my belly. I finally went with the standard brackets and modified them for an eight foot long 1X4 of white primed pressed board commonly used as trim. Because I couldn't find a bracket small enough for a 1X4, I had to buy the smallest I could find and saw it to length. Then I ground the rounded profile so I wouldn't have a sharp edge scraping my back. I did not put any track or strip of wood on them to guide the wheels, but can if I find the cars need it. I did put a screw under each shelf on the outside of each end bracket so the entire shelf wouldn't slide off the end of the bracket. So far this cobbled-together system is serving my needs. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:46:44 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shelf System You might also want to look into a metals supply yard, if cost is an issue. You might find a piece of Alum. stock that is ready made & might be wider or better suits to your needs. You would if wanted add the rails. They could be stock Gilbert or just rail or Grargaves which I think looks better for display. Mike in Ore PS: Channel could be used if the "ears" were mounted downward & better handle the weight & maybe if you like Lablels In a message dated 7/17/2009 7:38:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Doug, That looks like a good approach. What size boards did you use for the shelves? Did you place track on top of the wood shelves or just place the trains on the wood? Thanks, BG1 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ) , "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > I have used it on stairwell walls, where I had limited depth to work with. But in the train rooms, I much prefer the three-step shelf brackets on the walls......they provide MUCH more display space with adequate view of everything. In one train room alone (not an overly large room, either), they resulted in over 1/4 mile of shelf space!You'll find them on my website, at the very bottom of the INDEX column. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains. > www.flyerparts. ww > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD- VISA VISA-MASTERCARD- > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ) , "Bull_Gator_, <bull_gator_bu> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > > > _ http://www.railservhttp://www.http://wwhttp://w_ ( http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 ) > > > > BG1 > > > **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com ( http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55324	From: lember2004	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: train room lighting to avoid fading

Hello, After reading that many halogen lights emit ultraviolet - which causes color fading - I am wondering what folk's experiences and thoughts are on safe train room lighting to protect collections on shelves and trains on the operating platform. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55325	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: train room lighting to avoid fading

Not the halogen lights that are the problem - it's the flourescents including the new compact flourescents that have the UV problem. Incandescent and halogen are high in the infrared and visible and don't contribute to as much fading. Also watch for sunlight coming through a window.   Bill Drake St. Louis. --- On Fri, 7/17/09, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] train room lighting to avoid fading To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:29 PM   Hello, After reading that many halogen lights emit ultraviolet - which causes color fading - I am wondering what folk's experiences and thoughts are on safe train room lighting to protect collections on shelves and trains on the operating platform. Thanks! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55326	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: train room lighting to avoid fading

I do have fluorescent lighting in my train room with tube UV filters on them. I did not put up enough of them so I will be getting some pole lights. I should of gotten some professional help, no pun intended, with how much lighting I needed over all. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] train room lighting to avoid fading Hello, After reading that many halogen lights emit ultraviolet - which causes color fading - I am wondering what folk's experiences and thoughts are on safe train room lighting to protect collections on shelves and trains on the operating platform. Thanks! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55327	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

The front edge of the lower shelf is 9" out from the wall. (With the aluminum single shelving, the front edge is 2-1/4" from the wall.) The way I located them, they are spaced 8" apart (e.g, measuring from the bottom of a bracket to the bottom of the next bracket below.) The train room in which the pictures on my website were taken has only a 6-1/2' high ceiling....that spacing allowed me nine brackets (and 27 shelves) per vertical wall strip, all above an electric baseboard beneath it all. BTW----a small cost-saving results from buying the plated, shiny wall strips, and spray-paint them black, matching the brackets. Anodized black wall strips cost more, but are available. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobbupply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > The only drawback is how far out the bracket extends from the wall for three shelves. Probably over a foot from the wall (?) If you have that much space to work with along the wall and like the look, I'd go with Doug. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55328	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Latest Tavern Photos

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1337480916/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=261&count=20&dir=asc Latest Tavern Photos as the front of the tavern is complete, three two tone sections. I had to take some putty where they met and smooth out. It is good now. Put of stairway is on the building with two tone door. Roof is on as I have to do some filing to fit the roof in its slots. Sub roof above entrance is on. Walls for the upper front will go on as I need to put the window frames on. And last is mango salsa for the Orange Roughy which is mango, red pepper, red onion, cilantro, lime juice, jalape�o pepper, dash salt. O:)! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55329	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

there were several pacifics 287,283,290,290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55330	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

I used 1x3 pine, but if I did it again, I'd use poplar....a little more expensive, but less likelihood of warpage over time. I did not use track. We ran each board through a table saw twice---once in each direction---- creating two properly-spaced grooves spaced equally apart from the front and rear edges. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.parts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Doug, > > That looks like a good approach. What size boards did you use for the shelves? Did you place track on top of the wood shelves or just place the trains on the wood? > > Thanks, > > BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55331	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System

Another cheaper item to use is go to a home center. The metal Channel that they use as a top & bottom plates for metal studs could work well too. Again I would use it channel side down. this stuff is 16 feet long & about 4' wide & primered red/rust. Mike in Ore In a message dated 7/16/2009 6:59:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi Carl, They look really good. What spacing did you use? Thanks, BG1 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , <carl@...> wrote: > > I use them. They are a nice system. > > _http://www.tuveson.http://www.tuvehtt_ (http://www.tuveson.com/trainwall1.htm) > > RailRax are very similar products. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ]On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:01 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Shelf System > > > Hi All, > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > _http://www.railservhttp://www.http://wwhttp://w_ (http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491) > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55332	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

287 does not smoke 283 smokes 290 does not smoke 293 smokes   generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not   and as with many systems there are some exceptions   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM   there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55333	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

The 290 does smoke, I have had it for 48 years. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: ee_train@... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:34:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? 287 does not smoke 283 smokes 290 does not smoke 293 smokes generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not and as with many systems there are some exceptions Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that�s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55334	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Bill, You forgot 9. As in 21129 and 21139 as they are smokers. My mind is smoking as nothing has changed with the Nationals, as the Cubs pitcher get a 2 RBI hit! So much for getting rid of the manager. My mind ends in 8. It smokes. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? 287 does not smoke 283 smokes 290 does not smoke 293 smokes generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not and as with many systems there are some exceptions Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55335	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: train room lighting to avoid fading

I think this is a first. The TCA list and the S List are having the same exact topic going on at the same time. Almost like when two radio stations have the same song on. I am overdosing in this topic right now. Takes my mind off the Nationals losing ways without the old manager. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55336	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

http://www.rfgco.com/steamspecs.html Click on the above link for a list of Flyer steam engines and specs. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mikenguy9@... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:54:50 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? there were several pacifics 287,283,290,290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55337	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

307 does not smoke In a message dated 7/17/2009 5:05:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boxcarsam@... writes: The 290 does smoke, I have had it for 48 years. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: ee_train@... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:34:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? 287 does not smoke 283 smokes 290 does not smoke 293 smokes generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not and as with many systems there are some exceptions Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55338	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

sorry-was working on the three digit loco's only - you are right --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6:52 PM   Bill, You forgot 9. As in 21129 and 21139 as they are smokers. My mind is smoking as nothing has changed with the Nationals, as the Cubs pitcher get a 2 RBI hit! So much for getting rid of the manager. My mind ends in 8. It smokes. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? 287 does not smoke 283 smokes 290 does not smoke 293 smokes generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not and as with many systems there are some exceptions Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55339	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

whoops - I have the others and a couple of locos that end in 0 that don't - I should have known better than to extrapolate Bill --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...> wrote: > From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:01 PM > > The 290 does smoke, I have had it for 48 years. > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: ee_train@... > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:34:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which > ones did? > >   > > > > 287 does not smoke > 283 smokes > 290 does not smoke > 293 smokes > > generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are > smokers, 0 or 1 are not > > and as with many systems there are some exceptions > > Bill Drake > Sunny St. Louis > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > wrote: > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones > did? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM > >   > > there were several pacifics > 287,283,290, 290 etc > > then there were atlantics > 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 > > I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But > the sellers > say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, > but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. > > I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are > listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right > for you. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55340	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

It does if you run it too fast and too long with a long train and no lubrication! LOL. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? 307 does not smoke In a message dated 7/17/2009 5:05:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boxcarsam@... writes: The 290 does smoke, I have had it for 48 years. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: ee_train@... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:34:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? 287 does not smoke 283 smokes 290 does not smoke 293 smokes generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not and as with many systems there are some exceptions Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the tix you need for this summer's biggest tours. Tourtracker.com (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.18/2243 - Release Date: 07/17/09 06:08:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55341	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Hi Bill,   I hate to show an exception, but I own a 290 from brand-spanking new. It was my father's and I now own it. It is one of the best smokers that I own.   Originally, he had 2 "smokers". One is a 322AC and the other was the 290. Sheet metal tender with SIB. Link couplers, choo-choo- and headlight.   I believe all 290's smoked according to the new Doyle catalog.   Kindest regards, Nick Kulp ===== 290 does not smoke 293 smokes   generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not   and as with many systems there are some exceptions   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55342	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

yep- my goof, I don't have one and should not have assumed that like a 320, 300, 310 and so forth, that it would be consistent.   Bill --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:47 PM   Hi Bill,   I hate to show an exception, but I own a 290 from brand-spanking new. It was my father's and I now own it. It is one of the best smokers that I own.   Originally, he had 2 "smokers". One is a 322AC and the other was the 290. Sheet metal tender with SIB. Link couplers, choo-choo- and headlight.   I believe all 290's smoked according to the new Doyle catalog.   Kindest regards, Nick Kulp ===== 290 does not smoke 293 smokes   generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not   and as with many systems there are some exceptions   Bill Drake Sunny St. Louis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55343	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails

Hi Roy and all, The reasons you list for not setting the group to archive attachments are all pretty dated. I belong to several Yahoo groups, and have not heard of any of these issues cropping up. 1)-As to viruses, I'm sure there is better and more up to date virus protection on the servers at Yahoo than any of us have on our own computer. If you are that concerned about receiving an embedded virus, you probably shouldn't open anything in either the Photos or the Files sections of the group. 2)-Individual Emails might take longer to download, I can't say for sure, because I receive my Emails from any of the groups in "Daily Digest" form. The way Yahoo Groups handles attachments is to archive them on the group site, and with the "Daily Digest" any attachments are handled by a link to the archive storage area on the group site, the actual photo file is not sent in the email. 3)-Bandwidth is less of a problem now than it used to be. My first computer had only 64KB of memory, a tape cassette instead of a hard drive and used a 300 baud modem. Times have certainly changed! 4)-Again, if you receive "Daily Digests" only the text goes to your hard drive. My computer has only an 80GB hard drive and I'm nowhere near it's limit. My previous computer has only a 2GB hard drive, and I still use it too, but with just under 300MB free space, I sometimes have to do a little housekeeping if I want to download large files. I think if your computer is less than 5 years old you shouldn't have a big problem. Everyone likes to complain about Yahoo Groups service, but the reality is that it is leagues better than most other similar services out there, even ones you have to pay for (and Yahoo is FREE!). Changing the group's settings to allow attachments will only make it EASIER for someone who wants to post only one or two photos, and at the same time make it easier for others to view the photos. For large groups of photos, the Albums in the "Photos" section are still the best way to post & view pictures. Regards, Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > I would say no for four reasons: > > 1-There is the possibility of transmitting a virus via an attachment. > 2-Emails with attachments take longer to download, > 3-Emails with attachments require more bandwidth. > 4-Attachments take up more space on the receiver¹s HD. > > Roy Inman > > > on 7/16/09 8:39 PM, Rick Evans at bassflyer@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails > > to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be done. > > I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can > > attach photos. > > Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up > > that way? > > I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails with > > photos. > > A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. > > Pretty cool IMHO. > > What do ya all think? > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55344	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Don't forget my favorite ....... the 282!! It's a smoker. Rick > there were several pacifics > 287,283,290,290 etc > > then there were atlantics > 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 > > I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the > sellers > say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not > knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. > > I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as > smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55345	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/17/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails

We get photos via links now. Let's keep it that way. Put the photo in the group photo section, on Photobucket, Or whatever site, and just post a link. jfred --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Photos in e-mails To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 1:05 AM I agree with you Roy... IF ... the photo comes in ones e-mail, but it  doesn't through Yahoo groups. I  e-mailed a photo to my lantern group, and just like my high school group, when you click on the thumbnail, it takes you to Yahoo to see the photo, even though the photo came from my computer. The thumbnail is acting just like a link. Rick > I would say no for four reasons: > > 1-There is the possibility of transmitting a virus via an attachment. > 2-Emails with attachments take longer to download, > 3-Emails with attachments require more bandwidth. > 4-Attachments take up more space on the receiver’s HD. > > Roy Inman > > > on 7/16/09 8:39 PM, Rick Evans at bassflyer@... wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails >> to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be  >> done. >> I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can >> attach photos. >> Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up >> that way? >> I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails with >> photos. >> A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. >> Pretty cool IMHO. >> What do ya all think? >> >> Rick. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55346	From: lember2004	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System: plexiglass

I've gone with a plexiglass shelf system: horizontal shelves with S-size grooves cut into them and heat-glued to vertical plexiglass with mounting holes. I have them put together as needed at a local plastics company. Because the shelves are clear, light travels thru the shelves providing more illumination on the rolling stock on the lower shelves. Plus one can look through the shelves from above or below. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55347	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Hi Mike,           Engines that smoke - K5 - 312 SIT 1946-47, 1948 312AC, 313, 314AW, 315, 316, 21115, Hudson 321 SIT, 322 SIT 1946, 322 SIT 1947, 322 1948, 322AC, 325, 326, 21129, 21130, Northern 332 1948-1949, 334DC, K335, 336, 21139, 21140, Pacific - 282, 283, 285, 290, 293, 295, 296, 21084, 21085, 354 & 356 Silver Bullets, 0-8-0 Switchers, 342 1948, 342AC, 343, 346, 21145, Atlantics 302 1948, 302AC, 303, 21106, 21107.  301 & 308 Atlantics had Choo Choo No Smoke. 310 1946-47 were the only K5's with no smoke, 320 Hudson and  some 321's did not have smoke.  287, 289, 350, 353 were the only Pacific's without smoke and there were numerous Atlantics without smoke.                                                             Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM   there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55348	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

It's always good to ask questions concerning the things that is important to a particular individual prior to bidding on the item, especially for things sold "as is". Once you ask the question(s) and the seller responds with further detailed description, if the item differs from his description in the ebay item description or from the enhanced description he provides to you in email, you've got his words on record and he knows it. I only worry about folks I don't know personally. If I know someone personally, I accept their answer as gospel and bid very confidently. Of course, if the individual doesn't answer your question(s), you should not bid, as he is probably trying to hide something, again, unless you know him personally. I have many sellers I would never buy from. First on my list of "never buy from" is "MWINTERNETAUCTIONSONMAIN". He is rude in his replies to questions and inaccurate in some of his listings, in my opinion. I have caught him in many errors and refuse to bid on anything he lists. I asked him a few questions about a box car he listed, because his description was non-descript and his answer to me was, "read my description." I wrote back to him, telling him that his description did not answer my specific questions. I told him that I was concerned about his rude non-answer, that I was a serious ebay buyer for 10+ years, and didn't think he provided answers to my specific questions, and he stated words to the effect that that's the reason he didn't answer my questions--to weed out people that asked specific questions. Check his negative feedback. He may have a lot of positives because he floods ebay with junk, but his negative feedback count is ridiculous. I have close to fifteen hundred positives (with no negatives), so my reputation is secure. Sorry about the rant. Just lending my considerable experience buying over ebay for the last 10 plus years. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? there were several pacifics 287,283,290,290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55349	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Hi Mike,                    Hers a couple that I missed on the list I sent you. 21168 Casy Jones Southern Loco, 21165 & 21166 No smoke and 21155 Docksider, 21156 & 21158 No smoke.                                                            Tom Seccia                                                         --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM   there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55350	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: AF Steamers that smoked--on purpose!

Hi all, As opposed to the ones where the "smoke got out" of the wire and no longer work! :) In general, for the three diget locos Numbers ending in: 1 Have choo-choo units (no smoke) 2 & 3, have smoke units 5 Have smoke unit and whistle (early version) 6 Have smoke unit and whistle 7 do not smoke, are 'bottom line" engines The other ending number vary depending on engine--and the 353 (circus engine) has no smoke unit, proving the "in general" statement! I think the 5 diget versions vary too much for a general statement--but I could be wrong! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55351	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: IMPORTANT NEWS ON UPCOMING 2009 NASG CONVENTION

For all our S Gauge friends still sitting on the fence, The Convention cars are 90% and going fast!!! The hotel is extending the $99/night room rate for at least another week. This means that if you come and register, you will get to hear Bob Hogan present his clinic on Friday. Bob will discuss the following items: 1. Scratchbuilding scale passenger cars using Lazer Horizons sides and American Models passenger car scale shells 2. Kit bashing and/or detailing American Models Budd cars 3. Kit bashing American Models 70' heavyweight passenger cars into scale length heavyweight cars 4. Kit bashing/detailing J C Chester passenger cars 5. Other kit bashing possibilities, passenger and freight His clinic will immediately follow a clinic by Roy Meissner discussing casting your own parts. Can you think maybe passenger car parts? Other clinics will include Rusty Westermeier discussing tools for scratchbuilding and Dick Karnes on how to do rail crossings the easy way. Dick has just published a great article in Scale Rails, the NMRA magazine, on his compact terminal which includes several crossings. One even dares to cross right thru a switch. Dick will show you how. For those who have tinkered with the thought of a narrow gauge railroad, Dave Heine will give you some thoughts to ponder. And to complement these clinics, Jerry Porter will do a clinic on freight cars and their relevance to the scene you are creating. For you Hi-Railers, the following vendors will be there: SHS, Gary Clark, John Vanacore, John Heck, Don Taylor, Doug Peck, Dave Blum any many others. Hi Rail tours include: John Nosari, Cliff Saxton, Norm Pilarski and Charley Taylor. We hope to see you in St. Louis. Jack Riely **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55352	From: newtoaf@rocketmail.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: AF Steamers that smoked--on purpose!

I found this chart: http://www.rfgco.com/steamspecs.html Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > As opposed to the ones where the "smoke got out" of the wire and no longer work! :) > In general, for the three diget locos Numbers ending in: > 1 Have choo-choo units (no smoke) > 2 & 3, have smoke units > 5 Have smoke unit and whistle (early version) > 6 Have smoke unit and whistle > 7 do not smoke, are 'bottom line" engines > The other ending number vary depending on engine--and the 353 (circus engine) has no smoke unit, proving the "in general" statement! > I think the 5 diget versions vary too much for a general statement--but I could be wrong! > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55353	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Shelf System: plexiglass

Why not use 1/4" glass with seamed edges. Any good glass shop should be able to provide the width & length you require and seam (smooth) the edges easily. Might even use up scraps from other cuts that MIGHT get you a better deal. Volume is the key, get the order right the first time and negotiate. NTTM has thousands of feet of glass shelving in various widths and lengths, almost all of it cut to order. Jalousie glass is another option if still available, was normally 4" wide, 1/4" thick, 48" long IF I recall properly. When I was in the Hardware business, that was a stock item we cut to length, treated the ends. I would suggest the two (2) lift brackets so almost all of the rear train can be seen, I replaced 3 lift brax for that rason. Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/18/2009 8:12:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lember2004@... writes: I've gone with a plexiglass shelf system: horizontal shelves with S-size grooves cut into them and heat-glued to vertical plexiglass with mounting holes. I have them put together as needed at a local plastics company. Because the shelves are clear, light travels thru the shelves providing more illumination on the rolling stock on the lower shelves. Plus one can look through the shelves from above or below. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Has anyone tried this model railroad shelf system? > > http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=22491 > > BG1 > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377099x1201454424/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55355	From: The LANIERs	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

21168 did have smoke, as did the 21155 docksider. All of this has been well documented in numerous collector books. Don't understand why we're trying to rehash this again here. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? Hi Mike, Hers a couple that I missed on the list I sent you. 21168 Casy Jones Southern Loco, 21165 & 21166 No smoke and 21155 Docksider, 21156 & 21158 No smoke. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55356	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Photos loaded to group

Greetings friends,   Many of you know that I have been building a layout for my daughter over the past few months. After some sweat, blood, and oaths, I have gotten a good start on it. I have taken some early stage photos of the progress to share with all of you. The layout is a large radius oval connected to an inner oval via crossovers. The inner loop contains a figure 8 in the center. I have added my 761 semaphore and my animated accessories from when I was a kid in the 1950's. All of them work and I am in the process of buying a stockyard to round out the accessories.   As of today, there are not many buildings yet. I wanted to make sure that the layout worked well before I made it hard to reach the back. I can run 5 trains at a time by using the passing sidings and the semaphore. I plan to make one change and that is to power the inner loop with the second throttle on the 12B transformer.   As the layout grows, I will post more photos. There is a staging yard planned that I intend to add at one end to accomodate all of the extra equipment that I cannot run. I can swap out trains to add some variety. Nicole owns a comp;ete 1981 Flyonel SP Daylight with A-B-A and 5 cars.Her Godfather bought an extra Vista-Dome car to lengthen the train. It runs great.   I hope you all get a chance to see them. They are in the Photos section under Nicole and Nick Kulp's Layout.   Enjoy, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Here's some Free-Stuff for Members to Share!

Whoops!! Spam slipped through... (Not my doing). Roy Inman on 7/18/09 7:51 AM, janetgrady2008 at janetgrady2008@... wrote: > > > > > Hi Everyone! > > I have got you a great mix of freestuff. It is all listed on the page below: > > http://groups.google.com/group/freebiestoday/web/freebies-july-16 > > I am sure you will find something of use! > > Jaynne > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55358	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in emails

Hi all, I have to strongly disagree with Bill's comment tht "Bandwidth is less of a problem now. . . " It's a BIG problem for me, as I live "in the boonies" and my only connection with the outside world consists of an old-fashioned two-wire phone line and a TV antenna in a tree next to the house (and the tree has grown so now I can't rotate the antenna, but that's another issue). Large file emails just clog my dial-up connection. A good-sized photo can take more than 15 minutes to download. YES, I would love to upgrade, but that option is not available to me, except for satelite at some $90 a month. The phone company promised to upgrade the lines out here last fall, but then the economy went south, so I don't expect it anytime soon. And YES, it is so frustrating that at times, I have considered just staying off-line and going back to snail mail. OK enough rant, I vote to leave things as they are! Back to fixing the house. . . (we had a bat flyinging around inside last night, time to seal the ceiling openings!) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55359	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Walter is gone... off topic

I know this isn't topical here, but I just thought it would be appropriate to note the passing of yet another great American, Walter Cronkite. He told us about our world in depth and with honesty, and not just the spectacular and the famous, which is what the news media has become today. Rest well, Mr. C. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55360	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Bruce if you don't like Brian's style dont deal with him its that simple.He has too much on sale to answer questions. You pays your money and you takes what you get.I have bought plenty off him on that understanding and will continue to do so. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? It's always good to ask questions concerning the things that is important to a particular individual prior to bidding on the item, especially for things sold "as is". Once you ask the question(s) and the seller responds with further detailed description, if the item differs from his description in the ebay item description or from the enhanced description he provides to you in email, you've got his words on record and he knows it. I only worry about folks I don't know personally. If I know someone personally, I accept their answer as gospel and bid very confidently. Of course, if the individual doesn't answer your question(s), you should not bid, as he is probably trying to hide something, again, unless you know him personally. I have many sellers I would never buy from. First on my list of "never buy from" is "MWINTERNETAUCTIONSONMAIN". He is rude in his replies to questions and inaccurate in some of his listings, in my opinion. I have caught him in many errors and refuse to bid on anything he lists. I asked him a few questions about a box car he listed, because his description was non-descript and his answer to me was, "read my description." I wrote back to him, telling him that his description did not answer my specific questions. I told him that I was concerned about his rude non-answer, that I was a serious ebay buyer for 10+ years, and didn't think he provided answers to my specific questions, and he stated words to the effect that that's the reason he didn't answer my questions--to weed out people that asked specific questions. Check his negative feedback. He may have a lot of positives because he floods ebay with junk, but his negative feedback count is ridiculous. I have close to fifteen hundred positives (with no negatives), so my reputation is secure. Sorry about the rant. Just lending my considerable experience buying over ebay for the last 10 plus years. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? there were several pacifics 287,283,290,290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.19/2245 - Release Date: 07/18/09 05:57:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55361	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Pics & e-mail

For those of you with dial-up systems I'm sure you don't want to clog up your phone lines with large photo attachments. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55362	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

I have a 290 that came from the factory with smoke. Bought from original owner. > > 287 does not smoke > 283 smokes > 290 does not smoke > 293 smokes >   > generally steam locomotives that end in 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 are smokers, 0 or 1 are not >   > and as with many systems there are some exceptions >   > Bill Drake > Sunny St. Louis > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:54 PM > > >   > > > > there were several pacifics > 287,283,290, 290 etc > > then there were atlantics > 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 > > I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers > say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. > > I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55363	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

I missed the 21168 and the 21155 on the list I sent to Mike.  I also missed 21088 Franklin & 21089 Washington.  No really rehashing.                                     Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 7/18/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@...> wrote: From: The LANIERs <hblanier@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:16 AM   21168 did have smoke, as did the 21155 docksider. All of this has been well documented in numerous collector books. Don't understand why we're trying to rehash this again here. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? Hi Mike, Hers a couple that I missed on the list I sent you. 21168 Casy Jones Southern Loco, 21165 & 21166 No smoke and 21155 Docksider, 21156 & 21158 No smoke. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s..com Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM there were several pacifics 287,283,290, 290 etc then there were atlantics 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo com ____________ _________ _________ _________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55364	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pics & e-mail

David Dewey has said the same thing. I don't mean to stir the pot..... BUT..... I feel some aren't understanding. If you have an attached photo through Yahoo, the photo ISN'T in your e-mail, it's only a thumbnail .... once you CLICK the thumbnail, it takes you to Yahoo to view the photo. ... just like a link to a photo at ANY site. :^) Rick Jack Nowosielski wrote: > For those of you with dial-up systems I'm sure you don't want to > clog up your phone lines with large photo attachments. > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55365	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails

Photo links to off site storage services are a big PITA, after a short time all the link will take you to is an error message. Posting to the photo section of this group is fine, but it is a lot more trouble to post just one photo than it is to add an attachment to an email message. There are those out there that resist anything new, but there is no GOOD reason to block attachments nowadays. If we never were to change things as new technology comes available, we'd all still be communicating with handwritten letters sealed with wax... Regards, Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: > > We get photos via links now. Let's keep it that way. Put the photo in the group photo section, on Photobucket, Or whatever site, and just post a link. > > jfred >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55366	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/19/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55367	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Pics & e-mail

And if you receive messages in "Daily Digest" form, it's not even a thumbnail, it's an all text link! Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > David Dewey has said the same thing. > I don't mean to stir the pot..... BUT..... I feel some aren't > understanding. > If you have an attached photo through Yahoo, the photo ISN'T in your > e-mail, it's only a thumbnail .... once you CLICK the thumbnail, > it takes you to Yahoo to view the photo. ... just like a link to a photo > at ANY site. :^) > > Rick > > > > > Jack Nowosielski wrote: > > > For those of you with dial-up systems I'm sure you don't want to > > clog up your phone lines with large photo attachments. > > Jack > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55368	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in emails

Hi David, If you opt to receive your messages in "Daily Digest" form, you will not notice them taking any longer to download, in fact they will probably download quicker, since there will be only a single "connection lag" for all of them instead of a lag for each message. Not everyone lives in the "boonies", or suffers from slow downloads. It's not fair to block the group from receiving attachments just because you can't download quickly, especially when you can adjust your preferences to not be be adversely affected by the attachments. BTW, which "boonies" do you live in? Be kind to the bats, they eat more than their weight in insects every day or too, and that's a lot of bugs that won't be bothering you. Screens should do the trick, and should also keep out those bugs that the bats are chasing! Regards, Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > I have to strongly disagree with Bill's comment tht "Bandwidth is less of a problem now. . . " It's a BIG problem for me, as I live "in the boonies" and my only connection with the outside world consists of an old-fashioned two-wire phone line and a TV antenna in a tree next to the house (and the tree has grown so now I can't rotate the antenna, but that's another issue). Large file emails just clog my dial-up connection. A good-sized photo can take more than 15 minutes to download. YES, I would love to upgrade, but that option is not available to me, except for satelite at some $90 a month. The phone company promised to upgrade the lines out here last fall, but then the economy went south, so I don't expect it anytime soon. And YES, it is so frustrating that at times, I have considered just staying off-line and going back to snail mail. > OK enough rant, I vote to leave things as they are! > Back to fixing the house. . . (we had a bat flyinging around inside last night, time to seal the ceiling openings!) > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55369	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Tom, and the group, My dad picked up a new K-312 for Christmas that had the hole in the tender for the SIT, but no SIT in the tender for my oldest brother, and my dad fix the rims that had come a part. He indexed holes in the wheels, and pressed hard wood dowels in the holes to fix the rims. My brother RIP 1942- 48 Was there a short sup. and some came with out the SIT? I put the SIT in a few years back. The train is mine, and Dad gave it to me when I was older. He didn't let anyone play with it for a very long time... My other brother was born in late 1949 and he got a lot of trains at christmas time, and then in high school he sold his share of the trains to me for five US bucks - Five smackers- :)) I ended up giving him two trains back 326 with the big motor, and the jack panel. The other was his 360 - 361 with the cars that dad, and mom gave him at Christmas. Boy did he get the raw end of that deal. Every year I give him some thing in the way of AF for his birthday, and Christmas. Clayton D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > I missed the 21168 and the 21155 on the list I sent to Mike.  I also missed 21088 Franklin & 21089 Washington.  No really rehashing. >                                     Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@...> wrote: > > From: The LANIERs <hblanier@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:16 AM > > > > > > >   > > > > > > 21168 did have smoke, as did the 21155 docksider. All of this has been well documented in numerous collector books. Don't understand why we're trying to rehash this again here. > > > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sheila Seccia > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > > > Hi Mike, > > Hers a couple that I missed on the list I sent you. 21168 Casy Jones Southern Loco, 21165 & 21166 No smoke and 21155 Docksider, 21156 & 21158 No smoke. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s..com > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM > > > > there were several pacifics > > > > 287,283,290, 290 etc > > > > then there were atlantics > > > > 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 > > > > I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers > > > > say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. > > > > I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > No viruses found in this incoming message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ > > No viruses found in this outgoing message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55370	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Re: Walter is gone...There is actually a train connection...

I photographed Walter Cronkite as he was doing a hard hat tour of Union Station Kansas City during the building¹s restoration in 1999. To those of us fortunate to be on site that day, he related the tale of how he used to lie back on the grassy hill of Liberty Memorial across the street from the station and watch the trains going to all parts of America, and dreamed of someday climbing aboard to visit those far away places. Cronkite was born in St. Joseph, MO but lived in nearby Kansas City until about the age of ten. He in fact began his journalistic career as a reporter for the Kansas City Times, formerly the morning newspaper published by the Kansas City Star. He was a big supporter of the Bi-State initiative, an across state lines (Kansas and Missouri) sales tax that helped finance the station¹s restoration, and even did a couple of public service announcements in 1996 urging locals to vote for the tax. Don¹t know about other locales, but around here it is difficult to get people across state lines to agree on the color of the sky or time of day, let alone tax themselves to restore an old building. Thanks in part to his help, the tax passed, the station is now back to its former glory (minus the 300 passenger trains a day!), and, among other things, is now a phenomenal place to run model trains-including S!!! We do have six Amtrak trains a day that arrive and depart Union Station. Roy, being a former Star staffer, Kansas City area resident, and feeling a connection with one of the greats, Inman on 7/18/09 8:05 AM, Stumpy Stone at mrstumpy@... wrote: > > > > > I know this isn't topical here, but I just thought it would be appropriate to > note the passing of yet another great American, Walter Cronkite. > He told us about our world in depth and with honesty, and not just the > spectacular and the famous, which is what the news media has become today. > Rest well, Mr. C. > Stumpy Stone > Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55371	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2009
Subject: Photos & email

what, wait, according to Bill I should throw away my wax & sealer???!!! :) Since I recieve S-trains as daily digest, it looks as though this change would not effect my download time--so I'm outa the equation. I had to switch to daily digest because I'm on dial up and multiple messages just lugged the system down. As I've said before, I'm not on dial up by choice!! When I'm at work, I'm on high-speed and that makes the home connection even more unbearable! Can't do anything at work, they have most web sites blocked--besides I'm at WORK, not supposed to be goofing off-and they can montior whatever I'm doing--even take over my cursor, if they want to change some software settings--or just mess with my mind. . . . Bill, I thought PITA was "People Inhaling Tasty Animals" :) And NO! that's not that bat! I don't mind him/her outside, just not inside! I have now sealed off all the attic openings in the ceiling. I really need to finish this house! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55372	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Latest Project AM Pacific

I picked up an American Models Pacific off of E-Bay with the intention of doing a TMCC conversion since I did not yet have one. I got it at a good price and it was a repaint so I knew it would take a bit of work to restore to something I was proud of. But the price was right and it was in good mechanical shape. Anyway here is a link to the AM Pacific's page: http://www.tuveson.com/am-pacific/am_pacific_tmcc.htm It is an excellent runner and makes tons of smoke. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: SHS stuff - Robin's summer part 3 - 00465 Flex Track

If you are building or expanding your layout, this is the sale for you! Buy two of our 00465 Flex track 6-packs, and get two more Free! Each 00465 package contains 6 pieces of 40", 155# flex track. Quantity is not limited, so buy as as many pairs of 00465 packages as you want, and get two free 00465 packages for every two you buy. Because of the oversized boxes, we will have to charge $15 for shipping for each set of four 00465 packages. This includes the free as well as the purchased packages. Thus if you order 2 00465 packages, you will get 2 more packages included free, and a total shipping for the track of $15. Note: the sale is only on the 00465 6 track packages. The 00466 24 track package and 01228 rail bundle are not included. Just go to the Flex Track page and order as many 00465 packages as you want. We will include two free packages for every two packages you order. Remember, this sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay-aways! This sale ends midnight Monday, July 20! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55374	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Hi Clayton,                          You indicate in your email a K312.  If this 312 your Dad bought has a knuckle coupler, that would indicate someone has altered the locomotive.  A 312 1946 & 1947 had a Smoke in Tender unit.  Many people buy a 310 K5 and when they see the hole in the tender shell they assume that should have a Smoke in Tender unit, but a 310 never had smoke.   Taking that into consideration, there is a possibility that the Gilbert factory  sold a 310 with a 312 Boiler.                                      Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 7/18/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:25 PM   Tom, and the group, My dad picked up a new K-312 for Christmas that had the hole in the tender for the SIT, but no SIT in the tender for my oldest brother, and my dad fix the rims that had come a part. He indexed holes in the wheels, and pressed hard wood dowels in the holes to fix the rims. My brother RIP 1942- 48 Was there a short sup. and some came with out the SIT? I put the SIT in a few years back. The train is mine, and Dad gave it to me when I was older. He didn't let anyone play with it for a very long time... My other brother was born in late 1949 and he got a lot of trains at christmas time, and then in high school he sold his share of the trains to me for five US bucks - Five smackers- :)) I ended up giving him two trains back 326 with the big motor, and the jack panel. The other was his 360 - 361 with the cars that dad, and mom gave him at Christmas. Boy did he get the raw end of that deal. Every year I give him some thing in the way of AF for his birthday, and Christmas. Clayton D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > I missed the 21168 and the 21155 on the list I sent to Mike. I also missed 21088 Franklin & 21089 Washington. No really rehashing. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@.. .> wrote: > > From: The LANIERs <hblanier@.. .> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21168 did have smoke, as did the 21155 docksider. All of this has been well documented in numerous collector books. Don't understand why we're trying to rehash this again here. > > > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sheila Seccia > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > > > Hi Mike, > > Hers a couple that I missed on the list I sent you. 21168 Casy Jones Southern Loco, 21165 & 21166 No smoke and 21155 Docksider, 21156 & 21158 No smoke. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s..com > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM > > > > there were several pacifics > > > > 287,283,290, 290 etc > > > > then there were atlantics > > > > 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 > > > > I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers > > > > say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. > > > > I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > No viruses found in this incoming message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ > > No viruses found in this outgoing message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55375	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?

I have come across a Gilbert 759 Bell danger signal that I would like to add to an existing module of our club's NASG S-Mod-compliant layout.  The module has dual SHS flex trak already laid, wired, and running; I would like to avoid tearing it up if I can.  I want the signal to sound and flash whenever a train goes by on either track. What's the best way to accomplish that? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55376	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Hi Tom, no it's a 312 with link no weight. Well he could of pick this one up, and they had done as you said, and took one tender off to put on a 310 to sell. If the wheels were coming off the 312 they could not sell it that way, but my dad could of struck a deal with them.   Tom I think I have ordered parts from you for about 10 plus years now... TY!!!!  Clayton S D. --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:21 PM   Hi Clayton,                          You indicate in your email a K312.  If this 312 your Dad bought has a knuckle coupler, that would indicate someone has altered the locomotive.  A 312 1946 & 1947 had a Smoke in Tender unit.  Many people buy a 310 K5 and when they see the hole in the tender shell they assume that should have a Smoke in Tender unit, but a 310 never had smoke.   Taking that into consideration, there is a possibility that the Gilbert factory  sold a 310 with a 312 Boiler.                                      Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 7/18/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:25 PM   Tom, and the group, My dad picked up a new K-312 for Christmas that had the hole in the tender for the SIT, but no SIT in the tender for my oldest brother, and my dad fix the rims that had come a part. He indexed holes in the wheels, and pressed hard wood dowels in the holes to fix the rims. My brother RIP 1942- 48 Was there a short sup. and some came with out the SIT? I put the SIT in a few years back. The train is mine, and Dad gave it to me when I was older. He didn't let anyone play with it for a very long time... My other brother was born in late 1949 and he got a lot of trains at christmas time, and then in high school he sold his share of the trains to me for five US bucks - Five smackers- :)) I ended up giving him two trains back 326 with the big motor, and the jack panel. The other was his 360 - 361 with the cars that dad, and mom gave him at Christmas. Boy did he get the raw end of that deal. Every year I give him some thing in the way of AF for his birthday, and Christmas. Clayton D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > I missed the 21168 and the 21155 on the list I sent to Mike. I also missed 21088 Franklin & 21089 Washington. No really rehashing. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@.. .> wrote: > > From: The LANIERs <hblanier@.. .> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21168 did have smoke, as did the 21155 docksider. All of this has been well documented in numerous collector books. Don't understand why we're trying to rehash this again here. > > > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sheila Seccia > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > > > Hi Mike, > > Hers a couple that I missed on the list I sent you. 21168 Casy Jones Southern Loco, 21165 & 21166 No smoke and 21155 Docksider, 21156 & 21158 No smoke. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s..com > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM > > > > there were several pacifics > > > > 287,283,290, 290 etc > > > > then there were atlantics > > > > 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 > > > > I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers > > > > say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. > > > > I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > No viruses found in this incoming message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ > > No viruses found in this outgoing message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55377	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/19/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55378	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?

Bob,   Since the 759 came with two 696 track trips, the only way to accomplish thiss would be to drill a hole alongside the rail and add some sort of contact that would complete the circuit to the bell/lights. The signal operated by the flange of one wheel, compressing the 696 contact momentarily. This caused the bell solenoid to "fire" and cause the lights to flash. Since it was only a small pulse, the length of the train dictated the number of times the bell would ring. I have a 759 installed on my layout and it is rather nice to watch but some sort of contact is needed. A continuous feed will burn out the solenoid coil.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak? To: s-trains@... Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:13 PM I have come across a Gilbert 759 Bell danger signal that I would like to add to an existing module of our club's NASG S-Mod-compliant layout.  The module has dual SHS flex trak already laid, wired, and running; I would like to avoid tearing it up if I can.  I want the signal to sound and flash whenever a train goes by on either track. What's the best way to accomplish that?       [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55379	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?

I'd use either an infrared detector across the tracks, OR photocell detectors mounted under the tracks, pointed upward. For a BDS, the IR would probably work better. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke ive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I have come across a Gilbert 759 Bell danger signal that I would like to add to an existing module of our club's NASG S-Mod-compliant layout.  The module has dual SHS flex trak already laid, wired, and running; I would like to avoid tearing it up if I can.  I want the signal to sound and flash whenever a train goes by on either track. What's the best way to accomplish that? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55380	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

I just got a stockyard with four loose windows.  What's the best way to put them back on for the long term? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55381	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?

Bob   I have done this with an industrial detector called a proximity sensor - it is used in the automatic flush units in airport restrooms. Disguised in a signal box at trackside it sends an LED signal out to the world and when the train comes by it reflects some of it into the matched sensor and activates a transistor that can activate a relay to work the bell danger signal or 760 the same way the 696 does.   Bill Drake sunny and cool St Louis --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak? To: s-trains@... Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 3:13 PM   I have come across a Gilbert 759 Bell danger signal that I would like to add to an existing module of our club's NASG S-Mod-compliant layout.  The module has dual SHS flex trak already laid, wired, and running; I would like to avoid tearing it up if I can.  I want the signal to sound and flash whenever a train goes by on either track. What's the best way to accomplish that? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55382	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

Try clear silicone sealant - like aquarium seal. Sticks well and can be peeled and rubbed off later if necessary - also won't affect the paint.   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] How do I secure the windows on a stockyard? To: s-trains@... Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:44 PM   I just got a stockyard with four loose windows.  What's the best way to put them back on for the long term? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55383	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

Good one bill, I have some of that, and the next time I will give that a try...  Clayton D. OR --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do I secure the windows on a stockyard? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 3:46 PM   Try clear silicone sealant - like aquarium seal. Sticks well and can be peeled and rubbed off later if necessary - also won't affect the paint.   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] How do I secure the windows on a stockyard? To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:44 PM   I just got a stockyard with four loose windows.  What's the best way to put them back on for the long term? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55384	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

Hi Clay,                 You can use Super Glue Gel. Put a blob on a piece of paper using a toothpick dab a small amount of glue in each corner. You can also use Rubber Cement and do the same with the toothpick.                                         Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/19/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do I secure the windows on a stockyard? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 7:32 PM   Good one bill, I have some of that, and the next time I will give that a try... Clayton D. OR --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do I secure the windows on a stockyard? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 3:46 PM Try clear silicone sealant - like aquarium seal. Sticks well and can be peeled and rubbed off later if necessary - also won't affect the paint. Bill Drake --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] How do I secure the windows on a stockyard? To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:44 PM I just got a stockyard with four loose windows. What's the best way to put them back on for the long term? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55385	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak?

Hi Robert,                   The 759 Bell Danger Signal requires two #696 Track Trips with shoes to activate the bell and the light.  The instructions instruct you to have the trips about 2 feet apart for the signal to work properly.  S Helper track is code 125 and the trips with not clip to that as American Flyer track.  You could remove two sections of the plastic roadbed and solder the metal of the clip to each side of the track.  That would be a minimum amount of  damage to the layout.  The other option would be to get two American Flyer 5" half straights, cut two 5" sections of S-Trax and insert those with the 696 Track Clips.  If you have a K-Line book, the hook up instructions for the 759 are on page 262.                                                        Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 759 Bell danger signal on dual SHS flex trak? To: s-trains@... Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:13 PM   I have come across a Gilbert 759 Bell danger signal that I would like to add to an existing module of our club's NASG S-Mod-compliant layout. The module has dual SHS flex trak already laid, wired, and running; I would like to avoid tearing it up if I can. I want the signal to sound and flash whenever a train goes by on either track. What's the best way to accomplish that? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55386	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/19/2009
Subject: Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did?

Hi Clayton,                       I'm sure you have.  Just finished my new parts catalog. I put it in the Parts and Service Book.  Lots of new material in the book.   Sold the fist run. doing another run on 7/24/09.                             Tom Seccia                           --- On Sun, 7/19/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:40 PM   Hi Tom, no it's a 312 with link no weight. Well he could of pick this one up, and they had done as you said, and took one tender off to put on a 310 to sell. If the wheels were coming off the 312 they could not sell it that way, but my dad could of struck a deal with them. Tom I think I have ordered parts from you for about 10 plus years now... TY!!!! Clayton S D. --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:21 PM Hi Clayton, You indicate in your email a K312. If this 312 your Dad bought has a knuckle coupler, that would indicate someone has altered the locomotive. A 312 1946 & 1947 had a Smoke in Tender unit. Many people buy a 310 K5 and when they see the hole in the tender shell they assume that should have a Smoke in Tender unit, but a 310 never had smoke. Taking that into consideration, there is a possibility that the Gilbert factory sold a 310 with a 312 Boiler. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 7/18/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: steam engines that smoke, which ones did? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:25 PM Tom, and the group, My dad picked up a new K-312 for Christmas that had the hole in the tender for the SIT, but no SIT in the tender for my oldest brother, and my dad fix the rims that had come a part. He indexed holes in the wheels, and pressed hard wood dowels in the holes to fix the rims. My brother RIP 1942- 48 Was there a short sup. and some came with out the SIT? I put the SIT in a few years back. The train is mine, and Dad gave it to me when I was older. He didn't let anyone play with it for a very long time... My other brother was born in late 1949 and he got a lot of trains at christmas time, and then in high school he sold his share of the trains to me for five US bucks - Five smackers- :)) I ended up giving him two trains back 326 with the big motor, and the jack panel. The other was his 360 - 361 with the cars that dad, and mom gave him at Christmas. Boy did he get the raw end of that deal. Every year I give him some thing in the way of AF for his birthday, and Christmas. Clayton D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > I missed the 21168 and the 21155 on the list I sent to Mike. I also missed 21088 Franklin & 21089 Washington. No really rehashing. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@.. .> wrote: > > From: The LANIERs <hblanier@.. .> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21168 did have smoke, as did the 21155 docksider. All of this has been well documented in numerous collector books. Don't understand why we're trying to rehash this again here. > > > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sheila Seccia > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > > > Hi Mike, > > Hers a couple that I missed on the list I sent you. 21168 Casy Jones Southern Loco, 21165 & 21166 No smoke and 21155 Docksider, 21156 & 21158 No smoke. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] steam engines that smoke, which ones did? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s..com > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 5:54 PM > > > > there were several pacifics > > > > 287,283,290, 290 etc > > > > then there were atlantics > > > > 300, 301, 302 303, 304, 305? .....307 > > > > I see them on ebay and I know how some of you hate it. But the sellers > > > > say from an auction as is. I do not mind the as is auction, but not knowing if it smoker or not has me guessing. > > > > I came across a 1954 maybe catalog not all engines are listed as smoker or non smoker. So I thought I would ask. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > No viruses found in this incoming message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ > > No viruses found in this outgoing message > > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > > http://www.iolo com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55387	From: rpuls3	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lynnshouse2000" <lynnshouse2000@...> wrote: > > This has probably been asked before. I am finally building the dream layout. Up to this point I have been using a couple of old AF transformers (16B and 18B) for track power. After completing the first loop of track I decided to test run some trains. I noticed the newer locomotives (Flyonel PA, Flyonel 4-8-4, AM GP9) all wanted to jackrabbit start and exhibited rather poor speed control. The AM GP9 started moving as soon as the deadman throttle was engaged. I believe the problem to be related to the transformer. Would the TMCC system give me better slow speed response and throttle control, or would I be better off to buy a modern transformer like the MRC Pure Power series? It will be some time before I could consider converting many locomotives to full TMCC. I am wiring the layout for block control as I am building. When complete I will have 4 interconnected loops and be able to run 4-5 trains at the same time. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Lynn Ray >I am going to try this reply again. I am in the midst of building a Flyer layout and am using TMCC. The nice part about using the TMCC system is you don't have to convert all your engines to be able to operate them. I am using Powermasters on each block and can control conventional engines, including the Gilbert post war equipment or the new Lionel Flyer, with the wireless remote. These Powermasters are being powered by my old Am Flyer transformers,15B,18B,30B,ect. In doing so the old engines and the new Flyonel engines with the can motors all can be run at very slow speeds. I do have three Gilbert engines with the ERR driver boards and it is so neat to have all three parked on one section of rail and just move out the one I want to run. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55388	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...

I know, I know, we have hashed and rehashed the passenger car thingy to death. BUT, I was browsing train magazines at my LHS and came across a copy of O Gauge Rail-Roading. Therein were two, not one, but two adds for upcoming scale lightweight passenger cars in O scale, that is, two-rail scale flange versions. Atlas was offering 21.3² long cars which by my calculations would be about 85¹ in the prototype, available in CB&Q, WP and D&RGW. Golden Gate Depot showed lightweight O scale cars (albeit in two and three rail) in NYC 20th Century Limited, SP Daylight, SF Super Chief, PRR Congressional, and Pullman smooth side 4 car set. I can see how offering them in two and three rail versions might make more business sense. I saw no prices, and I probably could not afford them anyway, even if I were into O scale. My limit is about $85~$100 per car. My question is, for anyone who might know the answer, are there more O scalers than S scalers? Roy, pondering life¹s mysterious questions of railroading on a rainy night in Lenexa, KS, Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55389	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...

There is anecdotal information that the S gauge sales represent about 1% of the Lionel revenue. My guess is that if you add S Helper, American Models and the smaller vendors on the S side of the fence, then add MTH, Atlas, Bachmann and the smaller vendors on the O side of the fence, the ratio will be about the same or S will be even smaller. So if there are 50 of us S gaugers in the St. Louis club, there are 5000 O gaugers or more in St. Louis and similar ratios around the country. Another cross check is to look at the number of listings on ebay or count the number of items in each scale in the annual catalogs. The quantities are probably proportional to the number of followers.   Bill Drake St. Louis - oh no not more rain. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle... To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 8:18 PM   I know, I know, we have hashed and rehashed the passenger car thingy to death. BUT, I was browsing train magazines at my LHS and came across a copy of O Gauge Rail-Roading. Therein were two, not one, but two adds for upcoming scale lightweight passenger cars in O scale, that is, two-rail scale flange versions. Atlas was offering 21.3² long cars which by my calculations would be about 85¹ in the prototype, available in CB&Q, WP and D&RGW. Golden Gate Depot showed lightweight O scale cars (albeit in two and three rail) in NYC 20th Century Limited, SP Daylight, SF Super Chief, PRR Congressional, and Pullman smooth side 4 car set. I can see how offering them in two and three rail versions might make more business sense. I saw no prices, and I probably could not afford them anyway, even if I were into O scale. My limit is about $85~$100 per car. My question is, for anyone who might know the answer, are there more O scalers than S scalers? Roy, pondering life¹s mysterious questions of railroading on a rainy night in Lenexa, KS, Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55390	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/20/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...

Hi Roy,                        I used to have a train store and I can tell you for sure that there are more in "O" Scale than "S" Scale.   With American Models, S Helper and Lionel,"S" Scale has a much better showing since 1979.  I used to handle the "O" Gauge RR mag in my store.                                                     Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle... To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 9:18 PM   I know, I know, we have hashed and rehashed the passenger car thingy to death. BUT, I was browsing train magazines at my LHS and came across a copy of O Gauge Rail-Roading. Therein were two, not one, but two adds for upcoming scale lightweight passenger cars in O scale, that is, two-rail scale flange versions. Atlas was offering 21.3² long cars which by my calculations would be about 85¹ in the prototype, available in CB&Q, WP and D&RGW. Golden Gate Depot showed lightweight O scale cars (albeit in two and three rail) in NYC 20th Century Limited, SP Daylight, SF Super Chief, PRR Congressional, and Pullman smooth side 4 car set. I can see how offering them in two and three rail versions might make more business sense. I saw no prices, and I probably could not afford them anyway, even if I were into O scale. My limit is about $85~$100 per car. My question is, for anyone who might know the answer, are there more O scalers than S scalers? Roy, pondering life¹s mysterious questions of railroading on a rainy night in Lenexa, KS, Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55391	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Handrail Location

Greetings! Tom and Larry, thanks to you both for your help! Tried to "scale" off the pictures .... will do a parts order and locate holes from there. Larry, you did sell me a passenger car which I decorated for our Circus Train. Had we one of those new-fangled cameras I would send you a picture. Again, thanks for the help. Best, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55392	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 4!

Robin's Summer Sale Part 4! Robin's fabulous Summer Sale is on! It will run for 16 days, two days for each sale, and two items most times! So watch this space! Three of our most popular series of open hoppers are on sale! Mix and Match any three Panel side hoppers, Composite hoppers, or Offset hoppers and get three more of your choice free! Quantity is not limited, so buy as as many groups of three in stock Panel, Composite, or Offset hoppers as you want, and then choose three in stock Panel, Composite, or Offset hoppers to be included free! Just go to the Panel Side Hoppers page, Composite Hoppers page, or Offset Hoppers page, and order as many cars as you want. For every three that you order, choose three that you want to get free. Please include second and third choices where possible, in case we run short of a particular car. For this sale, Panel Side, Composite and Offset hoppers are all mixed together, you can choose from any of the three types for each car, ordered or free. Note: This includes 3 car sets and/or single cars. You can order 3 single cars or a 3-car set and get a free 3 car set or 3 single cars. Remember, this sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay-aways! This sale ends midnight Tuesday, July 22! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55393	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Handrail Location

Charlie, Good to hear from you. Larry To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com From: charlieandedith@... Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:26:16 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Handrail Location Greetings! Tom and Larry, thanks to you both for your help! Tried to "scale" off the pictures .... will do a parts order and locate holes from there. Larry, you did sell me a passenger car which I decorated for our Circus Train. Had we one of those new-fangled cameras I would send you a picture. Again, thanks for the help. Best, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� SkyDrive�: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55394	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

I use good old "Tacky Glue" found in any good craft store. It is cheap and it holds... But also is removable if you need to. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55395	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain"

Having worked at a hobby shop for many years now, I can assure you that there are many more people into O scale than S scale! While in most areas HO has the biggest following, it is quickly losing market share to O gauge, 3 rail. N gauge is also shrinking fast, G is next in the hit parade, and then you're into what we now consider "nitch" scales. Z and S have leveled off in this area, but On30 is growing rapidly. O scale 2 rail is a tiny part of O now, but On30 has seen not only new model train people enter, but it is sucking the strength out of On2, On3, and the other narrow gauge scales/gauge combinations as it is MUCH easier and cheaper to do. We have debated the reasons for this. First, we see very few people entering the hobby at any age which have the time or skills to build kits or scratch build, and many of those who used to build models no longer do so. With stress levels so high in everyday life, fewer people are interested in the regimentation of exact scale modeling and following the prototype. As the hobby has aged, with declining eyesight and finger dexterity, the smaller, more model oriented scales, are losing ground to the larger, more ready to run scales. While some hobbyists are converting to S Gauge, many more go into O Gauge. When changing scales or coming into this hobby, O gauge 3 rail is attractive because there is so much availible to the hobbist, not only the trains, but structures, figures, and vehicles as well. This is a trait that favored HO up until recently. Finally, if you do build things, O scale is 1/4" to the foot and easier to work with than 3/16" scale. O Gauge is the best positioned for the immediate future. And yes, our sales rep says American Flyer is a tiny part of Lionel's annual sales. Stumpy Stone...selling WAY more O gauge than S...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55396	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain"

Dear  Stumpy, You  hit it where it hurts. MY point is that I don't have a local hobby shop that stocks anything in s guage. I rely heavy on local train shows and the internet to get what I need. I have to drive30 plus miles and then they still don't have it in stock. They are heavy into Lionel and HO. American Flyer by lionel is available, but I need  S-Helper and American Models on the shelf. Yea they will order what I want .                                                                   Alan Lambert                                                                   Lone Star Flyer club member --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:36 AM   Having worked at a hobby shop for many years now, I can assure you that there are many more people into O scale than S scale! While in most areas HO has the biggest following, it is quickly losing market share to O gauge, 3 rail. N gauge is also shrinking fast, G is next in the hit parade, and then you're into what we now consider "nitch" scales. Z and S have leveled off in this area, but On30 is growing rapidly. O scale 2 rail is a tiny part of O now, but On30 has seen not only new model train people enter, but it is sucking the strength out of On2, On3, and the other narrow gauge scales/gauge combinations as it is MUCH easier and cheaper to do. We have debated the reasons for this. First, we see very few people entering the hobby at any age which have the time or skills to build kits or scratch build, and many of those who used to build models no longer do so. With stress levels so high in everyday life, fewer people are interested in the regimentation of exact scale modeling and following the prototype. As the hobby has aged, with declining eyesight and finger dexterity, the smaller, more model oriented scales, are losing ground to the larger, more ready to run scales. While some hobbyists are converting to S Gauge, many more go into O Gauge. When changing scales or coming into this hobby, O gauge 3 rail is attractive because there is so much availible to the hobbist, not only the trains, but structures, figures, and vehicles as well. This is a trait that favored HO up until recently. Finally, if you do build things, O scale is 1/4" to the foot and easier to work with than 3/16" scale. O Gauge is the best positioned for the immediate future. And yes, our sales rep says American Flyer is a tiny part of Lionel's annual sales. Stumpy Stone...selling WAY more O gauge than S...in Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55397	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain"

I have heard that "American Flyer" is 3 to 5% of LIONEL'S sales. This from "reputable" sources. I do believe that HO is still close to 60% of the entire train hobby. Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/21/2009 9:23:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: And yes, our sales rep says American Flyer is a tiny part of Lionel's annual sales. Stumpy Stone...selling WAY more O gauge than S...in Martins Ferry, OH. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823310x1201398722/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55398	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle...

Hi Bill,                   You're right on with the ebay numbers.  "S" Scale/"S" Gauge will continue to get bigger because you have 3 major manufacturers making "S" Gauge trains.  Lionel since 1979. 30 years making "S" Gauge. Gilbert made "S" Gauge for 20 years with 3 different styles of couplers.  "S" Helper has been making "S" Gauge for about 15 years. American Models about 20 years and Lionel recently started making "S" steam locomotives.  Lionel bought K-Line. Bachmann bought Williams.  This means the "O" Gauge market was getting crowded. Considering that no one was mass producing "S" Gauge trains in 1967, "S" Gauge has a wide open field.                                              Tom Seccia                                                 --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 10:11 PM   There is anecdotal information that the S gauge sales represent about 1% of the Lionel revenue. My guess is that if you add S Helper, American Models and the smaller vendors on the S side of the fence, then add MTH, Atlas, Bachmann and the smaller vendors on the O side of the fence, the ratio will be about the same or S will be even smaller. So if there are 50 of us S gaugers in the St. Louis club, there are 5000 O gaugers or more in St. Louis and similar ratios around the country. Another cross check is to look at the number of listings on ebay or count the number of items in each scale in the annual catalogs. The quantities are probably proportional to the number of followers. Bill Drake St. Louis - oh no not more rain. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@everestkc. net> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@everestkc. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Passenger cars, but from a different angle... To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups .com>, "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 8:18 PM I know, I know, we have hashed and rehashed the passenger car thingy to death. BUT, I was browsing train magazines at my LHS and came across a copy of O Gauge Rail-Roading. Therein were two, not one, but two adds for upcoming scale lightweight passenger cars in O scale, that is, two-rail scale flange versions. Atlas was offering 21.3² long cars which by my calculations would be about 85¹ in the prototype, available in CB&Q, WP and D&RGW. Golden Gate Depot showed lightweight O scale cars (albeit in two and three rail) in NYC 20th Century Limited, SP Daylight, SF Super Chief, PRR Congressional, and Pullman smooth side 4 car set. I can see how offering them in two and three rail versions might make more business sense. I saw no prices, and I probably could not afford them anyway, even if I were into O scale. My limit is about $85~$100 per car. My question is, for anyone who might know the answer, are there more O scalers than S scalers? Roy, pondering life¹s mysterious questions of railroading on a rainy night in Lenexa, KS, Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55399	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question

The initial voltage of the vintage transformers and the coarseness of control create these issues. It makes the jackrabbit start of the early flyonel engines worse, and causes the AM and in some cases SHS models continue to creep with the transformer control at low.   How can TMCC help?   When using the conventional mode of TMCC with a powermaster or TPC you can set the initial voltage at a lower level to prevent the creeping of AM and SHS. With the lower initial voltage and the finer control afforded by the CAB-1/powermaster combination you can make the jackrabbit start much more controllable. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, rpuls3 <rpuls3@...> wrote: From: rpuls3 <rpuls3@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TMCC Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 7:08 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "lynnshouse2000" <lynnshouse2000@ ...> wrote: > > This has probably been asked before. I am finally building the dream layout. Up to this point I have been using a couple of old AF transformers (16B and 18B) for track power. After completing the first loop of track I decided to test run some trains. I noticed the newer locomotives (Flyonel PA, Flyonel 4-8-4, AM GP9) all wanted to jackrabbit start and exhibited rather poor speed control. The AM GP9 started moving as soon as the deadman throttle was engaged. I believe the problem to be related to the transformer. Would the TMCC system give me better slow speed response and throttle control, or would I be better off to buy a modern transformer like the MRC Pure Power series? It will be some time before I could consider converting many locomotives to full TMCC. I am wiring the layout for block control as I am building. When complete I will have 4 interconnected loops and be able to run 4-5 trains at the same time. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Lynn Ray >I am going to try this reply again. I am in the midst of building a Flyer layout and am using TMCC. The nice part about using the TMCC system is you don't have to convert all your engines to be able to operate them. I am using Powermasters on each block and can control conventional engines, including the Gilbert post war equipment or the new Lionel Flyer, with the wireless remote. These Powermasters are being powered by my old Am Flyer transformers, 15B,18B,30B, ect. In doing so the old engines and the new Flyonel engines with the can motors all can be run at very slow speeds. I do have three Gilbert engines with the ERR driver boards and it is so neat to have all three parked on one section of rail and just move out the one I want to run. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55400	From: cornwall9	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Question about an ebay posting

Friends, I saw a car listed on ebay while browsing, AMERICAN FLYER GREAT NORTHERN REFER CAR (wfex 69104)" Item number: 280372013138. In my daughter's collection, she had a couple cars like this. They look like someone's attempt at pad-painting a car that was for personal use. Since I could not find the car number in my Doyle Catalog of American Flyer Trains, I thought I would ask the group. Was this a real Flyer car? Or is it a fake? Thanks, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55401	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

So a cow can climb out the window??? Jim "curious in Amish country" Lyle In a message dated 7/21/2009 8:17:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: use good old "Tacky Glue" found in any good craft store. It is cheap and it holds... But also is removable if you need to. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55402	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca

This was posted on the S Scale list and with permission from Ed L , I am posting this here for your perusal. If interested, contact Ed L OFFLIST. He is not on this list! I am not Ed L, but the other Silicon Valley Ed Thanks, Ed Eckert moderator Gentlemen...... I am happy to report that S scale is alive and well! Our local club here in the San Francisco area (BASS) had a club meeting this past Saturday and voted to cooperate with the NMRA for a joint annual convention in "S"acramento in 2011. They wanted us to participate and we were happy to oblige them. This will be a full-featured S convention within the larger NMRA multi-scale community. Planning is underway for an entire series of S-only events. I have prepared an information sheet handout and have some special registration forms that can be mailed to you upon OFF LIST receipt of your request and e-mail address and snail mail address. I could use some help in spreading the word of this NMRA+S annual convention to S fellows who are not part of this list. If you know of some S folks who are VERY likely to attend, please send me their name and e-mail address and snail mail address also. I promise not to sell your email address to the likes of those guys at SHS or River Raisin. As Nixon said, "Trust me!" Here is some REALLY SUPER GOOD news: There is a special Early-Bird Registration Rate for this full-week (all seven days) NMRA+S convention of only $99 if you register within the next 60 days or so. This advance full-fare registration fee compares favorably to the $175 charged for the NMRA annual convention which just concluded in Hartford, CT. All the details are on the information sheet which will be sent next week after I receive your OFF LIST request. It is our intent to soon apply for official NASG sanction for their 2011 annual convention. We are hopeful of NASG approval when the time comes. This announcement is brought to you as a public service to enable you to take advantage of a really good price for early registration which is not generally known to the modeling public. "S"incerely....Ed Loizeaux, Loizeaux@... Bay Area S Scalers Edward Loizeaux [Loizeaux@...]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55403	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

Yes, it's true, but easily explained - many cows are dyslexic and confuse "egress" windows with "e-grass" windows. They simply do it because the layout looks greener on the other side. :) Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:51:07 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:How do I secure the windows on a stockyard? So a cow can climb out the window??? Jim "curious in Amish country" Lyle In a message dated 7/21/2009 8:17:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: use good old "Tacky Glue" found in any good craft store. It is cheap and it holds... But also is removable if you need to. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55404	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: Question about an ebay posting

That's a Kris Model Trains 71470 sold for 13.99 w/pikemaster and 21.99 for sintered iron/KC by Vince Amato (Hobby Surplus) back in the 80's I think Chuck Harrington(myflyertrains.org) has a reference on the Kris production story Clay Buckage --- On Tue, 7/21/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Question about an ebay posting To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 2:34 PM   Friends, I saw a car listed on ebay while browsing, AMERICAN FLYER GREAT NORTHERN REFER CAR (wfex 69104)" Item number: 280372013138. In my daughter's collection, she had a couple cars like this. They look like someone's attempt at pad-painting a car that was for personal use. Since I could not find the car number in my Doyle Catalog of American Flyer Trains, I thought I would ask the group. Was this a real Flyer car? Or is it a fake? Thanks, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55405	From: Ed	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: Re: NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca

I have just received an update on the train conventions in Sacramento in 2011 from the TCA Editor as follows. This event will follow the TCA National Convention in 2011 which is the week prior to the NMRA Convention...same hotel, same venue. Lots of trains those 2 weeks! Now if anyone wants 2 weeks of train conventions, back to back, here you are. A 2 week vacation in Sacramento in 2011. Start planning now to attend these events. Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Eckert Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca This was posted on the S Scale list and with permission from Ed L , I am posting this here for your perusal. If interested, contact Ed L OFFLIST. He is not on this list! I am not Ed L, but the other Silicon Valley Ed Thanks, Ed Eckert moderator Gentlemen...... I am happy to report that S scale is alive and well! Our local club here in the San Francisco area (BASS) had a club meeting this past Saturday and voted to cooperate with the NMRA for a joint annual convention in "S"acramento in 2011. They wanted us to participate and we were happy to oblige them. This will be a full-featured S convention within the larger NMRA multi-scale community. Planning is underway for an entire series of S-only events. I have prepared an information sheet handout and have some special registration forms that can be mailed to you upon OFF LIST receipt of your request and e-mail address and snail mail address. I could use some help in spreading the word of this NMRA+S annual convention to S fellows who are not part of this list. If you know of some S folks who are VERY likely to attend, please send me their name and e-mail address and snail mail address also. I promise not to sell your email address to the likes of those guys at SHS or River Raisin. As Nixon said, "Trust me!" Here is some REALLY SUPER GOOD news: There is a special Early-Bird Registration Rate for this full-week (all seven days) NMRA+S convention of only $99 if you register within the next 60 days or so. This advance full-fare registration fee compares favorably to the $175 charged for the NMRA annual convention which just concluded in Hartford, CT. All the details are on the information sheet which will be sent next week after I receive your OFF LIST request. It is our intent to soon apply for official NASG sanction for their 2011 annual convention. We are hopeful of NASG approval when the time comes. This announcement is brought to you as a public service to enable you to take advantage of a really good price for early registration which is not generally known to the modeling public. "S"incerely....Ed Loizeaux, Loizeaux@... <mailto:Loizeaux%40SBCGlobal.net> Bay Area S Scalers Edward Loizeaux [Loizeaux@... <mailto:Loizeaux%40SBCGlobal.net> ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55406	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: How do I secure the windows on a stockyard?

As long as the windows are nice and flat, I use Scotch tape. > > So a cow can climb out the window??? > > Jim "curious in Amish country" Lyle > > > In a message dated 7/21/2009 8:17:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lbstiles@... writes: > > use good old "Tacky Glue" found in any good craft store. It is cheap and > it holds... > > But also is removable if you need to. > > Ben > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55407	From: Gregg	Date: 7/21/2009
Subject: 754 Double Trestle Bridge

Has anyone run three lines (using AM or SHS track) through a 754 on their layout? Any pictures available? Thanks Gregg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55408	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: 754 Double Trestle Bridge

_754 Double Trestle Bridge _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/55407;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNm1tYmJ1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcw NjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1NTQwNwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjQ4MjU0MDQ0) Posted by: "Gregg" _amflyer336@... _ (mailto:amflyer336@...?Subject= Re:754%20Double%20Trestle%20Bridge) _amflyer336 _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/amflyer336) Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:08 pm (PDT) Has anyone run three lines (using AM or SHS track) through a 754 on their layout? Any pictures available? Thanks Gregg Hi Greg, have you considered a "gauntlet track" approach for two of your three tracks to keep the track spacing down to a "two-track" approach? Happy Model Railroading Milo Milo Rodriguez NASG 99R0116E NMRA 075593 0A TCA 09-63683 304-754-6304 home 252-402-8317 cell **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55409	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca

Now about NASG going for the third week?  or weekend. --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Ed <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: Ed <ejenterp@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 5:58 PM   I have just received an update on the train conventions in Sacramento in 2011 from the TCA Editor as follows. This event will follow the TCA National Convention in 2011 which is the week prior to the NMRA Convention.. .same hotel, same venue. Lots of trains those 2 weeks! Now if anyone wants 2 weeks of train conventions, back to back, here you are. A 2 week vacation in Sacramento in 2011. Start planning now to attend these events. Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Ed Eckert Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] NMRA and S, 2011 in Sacramento, Ca This was posted on the S Scale list and with permission from Ed L , I am posting this here for your perusal. If interested, contact Ed L OFFLIST. He is not on this list! I am not Ed L, but the other Silicon Valley Ed Thanks, Ed Eckert moderator Gentlemen... ... I am happy to report that S scale is alive and well! Our local club here in the San Francisco area (BASS) had a club meeting this past Saturday and voted to cooperate with the NMRA for a joint annual convention in "S"acramento in 2011. They wanted us to participate and we were happy to oblige them. This will be a full-featured S convention within the larger NMRA multi-scale community. Planning is underway for an entire series of S-only events. I have prepared an information sheet handout and have some special registration forms that can be mailed to you upon OFF LIST receipt of your request and e-mail address and snail mail address. I could use some help in spreading the word of this NMRA+S annual convention to S fellows who are not part of this list. If you know of some S folks who are VERY likely to attend, please send me their name and e-mail address and snail mail address also. I promise not to sell your email address to the likes of those guys at SHS or River Raisin. As Nixon said, "Trust me!" Here is some REALLY SUPER GOOD news: There is a special Early-Bird Registration Rate for this full-week (all seven days) NMRA+S convention of only $99 if you register within the next 60 days or so. This advance full-fare registration fee compares favorably to the $175 charged for the NMRA annual convention which just concluded in Hartford, CT. All the details are on the information sheet which will be sent next week after I receive your OFF LIST request. It is our intent to soon apply for official NASG sanction for their 2011 annual convention. We are hopeful of NASG approval when the time comes. This announcement is brought to you as a public service to enable you to take advantage of a really good price for early registration which is not generally known to the modeling public. "S"incerely. ...Ed Loizeaux, Loizeaux@SBCGlobal. net <mailto:Loizeaux% 40SBCGlobal. net> Bay Area S Scalers Edward Loizeaux [Loizeaux@SBCGlobal. net <mailto:Loizeaux% 40SBCGlobal. net> ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55410	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" - not!

Stumpy, I too, have worked in one of the country's bigger hobby shops for many year's, and even though I'm now retired, here's my take on the situation. When MTH came out with their original sophisticated (for the time) ProtoSound control system, it was a big boost for O 3-rail. Because everything in 3-rail was ready to run from the get-go, it gave O gauge an advantage over HO with DCC which was just becoming available, because the DCC was ALL user installed and involved a new learning curve. This meant that quite a few HO "train-runners" were enticed to make the switch from HO to O 3-rail. Then along came On30, with reasonably priced, great looking RTR Narrow Gauge trains that actually ran well (something that had never been available before), and more HO'ers began jumping ship. This also included a group of HOn3 and On3 modelers who were tired of paying high prices for brass that didn't run, or was finicky at best. In the meantime, the previously large HO brass market began to decline for many of the same reasons. As this happened, brass prices began to tank, which caused many of the "investment collectors" to sell off, which caused prices to drop even faster. Neither the brass builders or the brass importers must have seen this coming (maybe they thought it couldn't happen), and as a consequence, many, if not most of them are now gone. I think things have begun to stabilize now that Ready to run DCC w/sound, and models with good running performance have shown up in HO, HOn3, and N scales, and some of those who switched to O 3-rail have now switched back, realizing that in spite of O 3-rail's ability to run 15-1/2" radius curves, there was only so much RR they could fit into their available space. I don't think many On30 enthusiasts have gone back to smaller scales, partly because narrow gauge naturally lends itself better to tight quarters. I think it's pretty safe to guess that growth in On30 is now equal to or better than growth in O 3-rail. During this time, both S scale and N scale (and even Z) stayed pretty stable on the sidelines, as available products in all three of these sizes became more numerous and of higher quality. I have been told by many people both in O gauge and HO, that if S scale had the variety of equipment and/or was available with as sophisticated sound and control systems as their current scale, they would switch to S in a heartbeat. Had Department 56 and Bachmann chosen S scale instead of On30, I think things would have been way different. Of course, during all of this upheaval, the one thing that stayed the same across all the scales was the increasing age of those involved in the hobby, due to failure to attract as many young people to replace those that were dying off. This is the real issue here, more than which scales may be growing or declining. Regards, Bill Nielsen Oakland Park, FL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Having worked at a hobby shop for many years now, I can assure you that there are many more people into O scale than S scale! While in most areas HO has the biggest following, it is quickly losing market share to O gauge, 3 rail. N gauge is also shrinking fast, G is next in the hit parade, and then you're into what we now consider "nitch" scales. Z and S have leveled off in this area, but On30 is growing rapidly. O scale 2 rail is a tiny part of O now, but On30 has seen not only new model train people enter, but it is sucking the strength out of On2, On3, and the other narrow gauge scales/gauge combinations as it is MUCH easier and cheaper to do. > We have debated the reasons for this. First, we see very few people entering the hobby at any age which have the time or skills to build kits or scratch build, and many of those who used to build models no longer do so. With stress levels so high in everyday life, fewer people are interested in the regimentation of exact scale modeling and following the prototype. As the hobby has aged, with declining eyesight and finger dexterity, the smaller, more model oriented scales, are losing ground to the larger, more ready to run scales. While some hobbyists are converting to S Gauge, many more go into O Gauge. > When changing scales or coming into this hobby, O gauge 3 rail is attractive because there is so much availible to the hobbist, not only the trains, but structures, figures, and vehicles as well. This is a trait that favored HO up until recently. > Finally, if you do build things, O scale is 1/4" to the foot and easier to work with than 3/16" scale. > O Gauge is the best positioned for the immediate future. And yes, our sales rep says American Flyer is a tiny part of Lionel's annual sales. > Stumpy Stone...selling WAY more O gauge than S...in Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55411	From: rpuls3	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > The initial voltage of the vintage transformers and the coarseness of control create these issues. It makes the jackrabbit start of the early flyonel engines worse, and causes the AM and in some cases SHS models continue to creep with the transformer control at low. >   > How can TMCC help? >   > When using the conventional mode of TMCC with a powermaster or TPC you can set the initial voltage at a lower level to prevent the creeping of AM and SHS. With the lower initial voltage and the finer control afforded by the CAB-1/powermaster combination you can make the jackrabbit start much more controllable. > > --- On Mon, 7/20/09, rpuls3 <rpuls3@...> wrote: > > > From: rpuls3 <rpuls3@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TMCC Question > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 7:08 PM > > >   > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "lynnshouse2000" <lynnshouse2000@ ...> wrote: > > > > This has probably been asked before. I am finally building the dream layout. Up to this point I have been using a couple of old AF transformers (16B and 18B) for track power. After completing the first loop of track I decided to test run some trains. I noticed the newer locomotives (Flyonel PA, Flyonel 4-8-4, AM GP9) all wanted to jackrabbit start and exhibited rather poor speed control. The AM GP9 started moving as soon as the deadman throttle was engaged. I believe the problem to be related to the transformer. Would the TMCC system give me better slow speed response and throttle control, or would I be better off to buy a modern transformer like the MRC Pure Power series? It will be some time before I could consider converting many locomotives to full TMCC. I am wiring the layout for block control as I am building. When complete I will have 4 interconnected loops and be able to run 4-5 trains at the same time. > > > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > > > Lynn Ray > >I am going to try this reply again. I am in the midst of building a Flyer layout and am using TMCC. The nice part about using the TMCC system is you don't have to convert all your engines to be able to operate them. I am using Powermasters on each block and can control conventional engines, including the Gilbert post war equipment or the new Lionel Flyer, with the wireless remote. These Powermasters are being powered by my old Am Flyer transformers, 15B,18B,30B, ect. In doing so the old engines and the new Flyonel engines with the can motors all can be run at very slow speeds. I do have three Gilbert engines with the ERR driver boards and it is so neat to have all three parked on one section of rail and just move out the one I want to run. > Ray > > > Thanks Mark, you were able to say this much more clearly than I could. This is a great group and all these folks are really helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55412	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Tavern Update

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/589200207/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=261&count=20&dir=asc Roof is almost done. mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55413	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC Question

I have to laugh a bit, as I am a subsitute moderator for a TMCC yahoo group. My O scale friend is in Australia for 4 weeks and he asked me to sub for him. I said sure, as he knows I know nothing, to quote a actor, about TMCC. LOL Thank goodness, I have not gotten any messages to post as I would let everything go on the list, since I know nothing to reject anything. LOL He will be back next week. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55414	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" - not!

--- After many years I elected to knock off the dust of my Original AF train sets. Being new into this hobby I stayed with S Gauge because that is what I have had for years, Talking with numerouse people Stumpy, Steve from SnS and Don from S Helper and Don from Scenery Unlimited I soon realized that S gauge was not dead. There is not a hobby shop with in 300 miles of were I live that sells S gauge so I have to rely on E Bay, forums, and chat lines. I contacted a local business DCC Sales and Installations, by chance I new the owner( Rick) his business is primary H0 and DCC systems. He helped kindle my interests in model railroads and is helping me with my S gauge layout and yes I will be using a DCC system at a later date. . I believe the Gauge people select,have alot to do with what friends and family have or had; and the enthusiasm of fellow modelers. I hope to share my interests with others to keep our hobby alive. WIS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55415	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update

But, that stairway looks too narrow, more so as it has no handrail. jfred --- On Wed, 7/22/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern Update To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:32 PM   http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/589200207/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=261& count=20& dir=asc Roof is almost done. mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55416	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: YouTube, O ga. Trainland USA in Iowa

SUBJECT: YouTube video, of O Gauge "Trainland USA" operating toy train museum in Colfax, Iowa. OK, so this toy train museum is O gauge, not S gauge. But if you find yourself traveling through Iowa on Interstate 80, you still might want to stop, as it's only a couple of miles north of Interstate 80, and it's quite interesting. There IS some S gauge American Flyer in the static display area in the lobby of the museum -- which can be seen briefly at the very end of Part 2. And there is also some S gauge for sale in the attached train shop. ~~~~~~~~~~~ The Trainland USA brochure claims 4000 feet of track and 20 to 25 trains operating. As the video hopefully shows, there's lots of "action". Some of the trains are running on the same mainlines, using automatic block systems. In the video you will notice trains sometimes stopping and starting. The display is divided into 2 layouts: an U- shaped "outside" layout running diesel trains, and a rectangular- shaped "inside" layout running steam trains. ~~~~~~~~~~~ THE VIDEOS: ^^^^^^^^^^^ There are 3 videos -- since each YouTube video is limited to 10 minutes, and there is about 27 minutes total. Pt. 1/3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMX6HwrENs This 1st video shows the "outside" layout, with the DIESEL trains. Pt. 2/3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j13M5gldjZk This 2nd video shows the "inside" layout with the STEAM trains. Pt. 3/3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlh6CfSFWQ This 3rd video shows the SAME "outside" layout as the 1st video, but walking along the layout in the opposite direction (CCW instead of CW), which shows it from a slightly different view. This museum is open approximately from Memorial day to Labor day. Check the website at http://TrainlandUSA.com for details. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com Williamsport PA <=> MacBook Pro/OS 10.5 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55417	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update

That is because that is the last item to be completed on Stadium Tavern. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tavern Update But, that stairway looks too narrow, more so as it has no handrail. jfred --- On Wed, 7/22/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern Update To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:32 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/589200207/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=261& count=20& dir=asc Roof is almost done. mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55418	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 5!

Robin's Summer Sale Part 5! Robin's fabulous Summer Sale is on! It will run for 16 days, two days for each sale, and two items most times! So watch this space! Here's a chance to buy a Switcher, and get some cars for it to pull included for free! Buy any in-stock Switcher - NW-2, SW-1, SW-8 or SW-9 (AC/DC no sound, DCC no sound, or DCC sound) and get two in-stock freight cars or a caboose for free (does not include any flatcars, with or without loads)! Just go to the NW-2 page, SW-1 page, SW-8 page , or SW-9 page, and order the switcher that you want. Then choose two in-stock freight cars (flat cars not included) or one caboose that you want to get free. List the cars you want in the comments section of the order. Please include second and third choices where possible, in case we run short of a particular car. Remember, this sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay-aways! This sale ends midnight Friday, July 24! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55419	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Dispatch back issue requests

Sometime back, maybe even two months ago, I received a couple of requests for back issues of the Dispatch. Those emails evaporated into cyberspace. If those individuals would please contact me again, with snail mail address, I will send the Dispatches promptly. I promise. Roy Inman PS: Anyone else who needs promo materials for an upcoming show or open house or who just needs Dispatch issues to fill in a collection, please let me know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55420	From: william cole	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" - not!

I think a lot could have to do with getting better product announcements in the 2 major magazines (RMC and MR)... even reviews not only of the product, but the product in an S scale setting (scale couplers) with other scale components (locomotives, buildings, scenery....)... the point I guess I'm attempting to make is that many of the RTR S gauge products are an attraction for the AF crowd and the scale crowd,,,, no other gauge/scale has that going fo it! O is either 2 or 3 rail for cars and locos....for HO and N, there is no real "toy" market, and their starter set prices have been climbing in price for anything that may run for more than a couple of years under the tree at Christmas.... my 2 cents, that will soon be worth one.... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 7/22/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: O Gauge is "King of the Mountain" - not! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:19 PM   --- After many years I elected to knock off the dust of my Original AF train sets. Being new into this hobby I stayed with S Gauge because that is what I have had for years, Talking with numerouse people Stumpy, Steve from SnS and Don from S Helper and Don from Scenery Unlimited I soon realized that S gauge was not dead. There is not a hobby shop with in 300 miles of were I live that sells S gauge so I have to rely on E Bay, forums, and chat lines. I contacted a local business DCC Sales and Installations, by chance I new the owner( Rick) his business is primary H0 and DCC systems. He helped kindle my interests in model railroads and is helping me with my S gauge layout and yes I will be using a DCC system at a later date. . I believe the Gauge people select,have alot to do with what friends and family have or had; and the enthusiasm of fellow modelers. I hope to share my interests with others to keep our hobby alive. WIS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55421	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Bigger is not necessarily better

Yes, beyond question O and HO scales are loaded with product, trains, vehicles, structures, figures, trees, and on and on. They are also loaded with self proclaimed experts and wanna be's, rivet counters or rabid collectors, all the sorts of blow hards that anything very popular attracts. It's like people buying Corvettes ywho don't really know anything about cars, if you get my meaning. Believe me, working in many scales, I've seen this before! Large scale and garden railroading has been around since the 1930s. LGB entered the market, bringing high quality stuff to the market and started a progression in popularity in the US. I was in it from 1983 to 1997 and watched it go from an enjoyable little part of the hobby to just another mainstream scale taken over by the yo-yos mentioned above. Now G scale is a confused mess of several scales and quite expensive. On30 was for fifty years considered a small "bastard scale" and struggled along almost unnoticed by mainstream model railroading. When Bachmann Industries moved in, most of us were happy to see quality stuff that we didn't have to scratchbuild. But like G "scale" before it, On30 is degenerating into the same mess that G did several years ago. It is only a matter of time before the cameradery and fun that marks a scale when it is small is lost forever! So don't be too upset that S is a "nitch" scale. If it "grows up" it will never be the same! Stumpy Stone...it's your railroad, have fun...lost in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55422	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Benefits of Being in S

The Bar Mills tavern I am working on, states in the instructions, that making the stairway is the hardest part of the kit. It does say that making the stairway in "S" is allot easier than making it in "N". I guess in N you need a magnifying glass and tweezers. Funny, the instructions did not same making this in O would be easier than N. The kit is available in O as the instruction sheet is universal. I guess they know that S is best. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55423	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Tavern

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/566311522/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=261&count=20&dir=asc Roof line for tavern is done. Started on the signs. A grey cat has appeared out of nowhere. Stairway is the last thing to be done. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55424	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2009
Subject: Public Service Announcement (kind of)

The GREAT Hamburg "DUTCH" Train Meet is this Sunday at the Hamburg Field House, in back of the Hamburg Fire Station in (you are gonna LOVE this) Hamburg, PA. Close to CABELLA's, Rt 78 & 22, just off of PA RT 61, in downtown Hamburg. The RCTHS Museum is only a few blocks away. I have determined to take WARDIE-JAY "Tinplate Ties" in "S", among other gauges, repro A/F Circus flats with loads & repro Circus Litho sets. (S content). Just found some A/F runners that are crying for a better home than they have here, plus other goodies in other gauges. The Field House is GUARANTEED to be warm, no need for heavy coats or boots!!!! Open from 9 AM til 1 PM, prox. Admission is charged, I believe 4.00 per person. Be sure to stop by and say HI!, I'll be one of the few with RED suspenders. Jim "hope to see you Sunday" Lyle **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55425	From: daysend40	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Great Northern Decals

Hello Does anyone know where I can get decals for Great Northern Empire Builder GM F7 engines? Thank You Joe Wagner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55426	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: incandescent bulbs

I just heard on the radio that GE is shutting down a incandescent light bulb plant in VA. They are still making these bulbs, but the forecast is for someday that these bulbs will no longer be made by anyone, due to lack of sales. Soooooo, if you have a train room with these type of bulbs, stock up now for a life time. I did this with salt tablets to make you own salt solution for contact lenses. They where discontinued in 1992. Soooo, I purchased 30 bottles of tablets that should out last me. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55427	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > I just heard on the radio that GE is shutting down a incandescent light > bulb plant in VA. > > They are still making these bulbs, but the forecast is for someday that > these bulbs will no longer be made by anyone, due to lack of sales. > > Soooooo, if you have a train room with these type of bulbs, stock up now > for a life time. Most light bulbs are now manufactured in China. I have really had a hard time getting any kind of miniature lamp in the last year or so that wasn't. I just got the last box of a particular American made Chicago Miniature lamp from a supplier this week. So I don't think them shutting down will impact the hobby much. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55428	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs

There is an obscure federal law (I'll betcha) outlawing the "sale" of incandescent lamps in the future. When GE bought Hungary's "TUNGSRAM", because of "planning", TUNGSRAM had a 100 yr supply of 100 Watt bulbs. They were CRAP too, GE imported them for "builders" (CHEAPO) use. Jim "lighting the way along the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 7/24/2009 3:09:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gwcohn@... writes: Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > I just heard on the radio that GE is shutting down a incandescent light > bulb plant in VA. > > They are still making these bulbs, but the forecast is for someday that > these bulbs will no longer be made by anyone, due to lack of sales. > > Soooooo, if you have a train room with these type of bulbs, stock up now > for a life time. Most light bulbs are now manufactured in China. I have really had a hard time getting any kind of miniature lamp in the last year or so that wasn't. I just got the last box of a particular American made Chicago Miniature lamp from a supplier this week. So I don't think them shutting down will impact the hobby much. George Cohn ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. See now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377105x1201454426/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgI D=62&bcd=JulyBadfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55429	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs

Hi George, I was referring to the use of these bulbs, 60 watt, etc., for lights that light up a hobby room where fluorescent bulbs are not good due to UV fading. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] incandescent bulbs Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > I just heard on the radio that GE is shutting down a incandescent light > bulb plant in VA. > > They are still making these bulbs, but the forecast is for someday that > these bulbs will no longer be made by anyone, due to lack of sales. > > Soooooo, if you have a train room with these type of bulbs, stock up now > for a life time. Most light bulbs are now manufactured in China. I have really had a hard time getting any kind of miniature lamp in the last year or so that wasn't. I just got the last box of a particular American made Chicago Miniature lamp from a supplier this week. So I don't think them shutting down will impact the hobby much. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55430	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: GE Plant News

My concern is about lights we use to light up our hobby rooms. Many do not want flourescent bulbs due to UV fading. Mike Marmer GE May Close Last US Factory That Makes Household Incandescent Light Bulbs (GE) Fri. July 24, 2009; Posted: 02:13 PM Jul 24, 2009 (SmarTrend(R) News Watch via COMTEX) -- -- 7/24/2009 - General Electric Co. (NYSE:GE) may shutter its last U.S. factory that manufactures common household incandescent light bulbs as the demand for energy-efficient lighting rises. The closing of the factory, and two closely related, will result in terminating 430 jobs. The factory may not close if workers can figure out a cost savings plan, however if it is closed, the company will continue to produce the light bulbs outside of the U.S. A spokesperson for GE, Deborah Wexler said, "The market for incandescent light bulbs has declined by 50 percent in the past five years. Consumers have moved towards energy efficient light bulbs, and with governments around the world setting lighting efficiency standards, these will be legislated out of existence." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55431	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Incandescent Bulbs

Does anyone know if a frosted bulb and soft white bulb are the same? If not, would a frosted bulb be okay in a train room to light up the room? I found a site that has frosted 60 w incandescent bulbs that last 10,000 hours. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55432	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: tavern update

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1220421400/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=281&count=20&dir=asc Advertising signs are on the tavern, white wood trim is covering seams, Don Gato and Snou-Bol are up to no good, parts for the stairs are being painted and I baked a gingerbread cake for when the tavern opens. That might be some time next week however, so the cake might be a bit stale. Soooo, I just Linda and I will have to woof it done this weekend. After the stairway is complete, then I make the Stadium Tavern sign, put up the window stripe awnings, put some trim on the exposed wood line. Then it is done. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55433	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Fw: tavern update

I really butchered the first email on this, with many words missing. Just trying to do to many things at once. I redid the email below. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: tavern update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1220421400/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=281&count=20&dir=asc Advertising signs are on the tavern, white wood trim is covering the seams, Don Gato and Snou-Bol are up to no good, parts for the stairs are being painted and I baked a gingerbread cake for when the tavern opens. That might be some time next week however, so the cake might be a bit stale. Soooo, Linda and I will have to woof it down this weekend. After the stairway is complete, then I will make the Stadium Tavern sign, put up the window stripe awnings, put some trim on the exposed wood line. Then it is done. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55434	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs

as long as it is incandescent and not flourescent it should be fine. frosted and soft white just put diffusion material on the glass to reduce the glare from the direct view of the filament.   Bill Drake --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Incandescent Bulbs To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:02 PM   Does anyone know if a frosted bulb and soft white bulb are the same? If not, would a frosted bulb be okay in a train room to light up the room? I found a site that has frosted 60 w incandescent bulbs that last 10,000 hours. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55435	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Great Northern Decals

Hi Joe,                      Microscale made some "S" Scale Decals for Great Northern Box Cars. I did not see any listings for Great Northern diesels, but you want to give them a try.  "S"cenery Unlimited may handle that line or call Walters.  These may not be available in "S" scale.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/24/09, daysend40 <trainmaster1940@...> wrote: From: daysend40 <trainmaster1940@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Great Northern Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:23 AM   Hello Does anyone know where I can get decals for Great Northern Empire Builder GM F7 engines? Thank You Joe Wagner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55436	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: incandescent bulbs

Hi George,                      GE closed their miniature lamp division which was in King of Prussis, PA some years ago. Phillips Westinghouse was making USA lamps until the early nineties.  I tried having the USA manufacturing specifications made about 6 years ago.  I finally had those made in Taiwan.  The #`1449 Chinese bulb base is longer than the USA spec and these will not fit behind the Boiler Fronts on Hudsons, K5's,  0-8-0's, and Northern Locomotives for 1948 to 1964.  I have #1449 and #1447 with the USA spec in stock.  I also still have some USA both GE & Westinghouse #432 and #1449 in stock at premium prices.                                         Tom Seccia       --- On Fri, 7/24/09, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] incandescent bulbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 3:02 PM   Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > I just heard on the radio that GE is shutting down a incandescent light > bulb plant in VA. > > They are still making these bulbs, but the forecast is for someday that > these bulbs will no longer be made by anyone, due to lack of sales. > > Soooooo, if you have a train room with these type of bulbs, stock up now > for a life time. Most light bulbs are now manufactured in China. I have really had a hard time getting any kind of miniature lamp in the last year or so that wasn't. I just got the last box of a particular American made Chicago Miniature lamp from a supplier this week. So I don't think them shutting down will impact the hobby much. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55437	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs

Thanks Bill! I will order a lifetime supply of 10,000 bulbs. Now to try to figure out that and my remaining time here on Earth, before I leave for parts unknown. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Incandescent Bulbs as long as it is incandescent and not flourescent it should be fine. frosted and soft white just put diffusion material on the glass to reduce the glare from the direct view of the filament. Bill Drake --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Incandescent Bulbs To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:02 PM Does anyone know if a frosted bulb and soft white bulb are the same? If not, would a frosted bulb be okay in a train room to light up the room? I found a site that has frosted 60 w incandescent bulbs that last 10,000 hours. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55438	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 6!

Robin's Summer Sale Part 6! Robin's fabulous Summer Sale is on! It will run for 16 days, two days for each sale, and two items most times! So watch this space! This time it's Box Cars, Stock Cars, and Reefers! This is a "buy 2, get another one free sale." Buy any 2 cars from Box Cars, Stock Cars, or Reefers, and select another Box Car, Stock Car or Reefer to be included free. You can mix cars as required, but the lowest price car must be the free one. For example, you could buy a reefer and a stock Car, and select a free Box Car. Quantities are not limited, you can get a free car for each two cars that you buy. Just go to the Reefer page, Stock Car page, or any of the Box Car pages: Steel Rebuilt, Double Sheath, or Single Sheath, and order two cars that you want. Then choose another in-stock car from any of those pages that you want to get free. List the car(s) you want to receive free in the comments section of the order. Please include second and third choices where possible, in case we run short of a particular car. Remember, this sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay-away's! Note: Shipping for this sale will be flat rate within the contiguous United States. Each group of 3 cars will ship for $11. This sale ends midnight Sunday, July 26! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55439	From: lember2004	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs - "long life"

"Long life" bulbs generally produce noticably less light ["lumens"] than a "regular" bulb of the same wattage[which is the power consumed], so the train room will be less bright. You can usually read the packaging to compare lumens. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Thanks Bill! > > I will order a lifetime supply of 10,000 bulbs. > > Now to try to figure out that and my remaining time here on Earth, before I leave for parts unknown. LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Drake > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Incandescent Bulbs > > > as long as it is incandescent and not flourescent it should be fine. frosted and soft white just put diffusion material on the glass to reduce the glare from the direct view of the filament. > > Bill Drake > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Incandescent Bulbs > To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:02 PM > > > > Does anyone know if a frosted bulb and soft white bulb are the same? > > If not, would a frosted bulb be okay in a train room to light up the room? > > I found a site that has frosted 60 w incandescent bulbs that last 10,000 hours. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55440	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: Re: Incandescent Bulbs - "long life"

Thanks Mark for that information. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Incandescent Bulbs - "long life" "Long life" bulbs generally produce noticably less light ["lumens"] than a "regular" bulb of the same wattage[which is the power consumed], so the train room will be less bright. You can usually read the packaging to compare lumens. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Thanks Bill! > > I will order a lifetime supply of 10,000 bulbs. > > Now to try to figure out that and my remaining time here on Earth, before I leave for parts unknown. LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Drake > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Incandescent Bulbs > > > as long as it is incandescent and not flourescent it should be fine. frosted and soft white just put diffusion material on the glass to reduce the glare from the direct view of the filament. > > Bill Drake > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Incandescent Bulbs > To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:02 PM > > > > Does anyone know if a frosted bulb and soft white bulb are the same? > > If not, would a frosted bulb be okay in a train room to light up the room? > > I found a site that has frosted 60 w incandescent bulbs that last 10,000 hours. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55441	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/26/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 26, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 58 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55442	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: All S people both AF/Hi-Rail and Scale need:AF die-cast Atlantic fr

I am looking for AF 4-4-2 Atlantic frames in undamaged condition. I would prefer the # PA15D285 "split" frame with hub for choo-choo gear. The # PA 10512 solid one piece frame with hub for choo-choo gear, is also OK (less desireable for modifying due to a number of extra steps required to mount "new" drivers etc.). For either frame I would also desire the smoke unit (working?) piston assembly and s. u. drive gear with retainer hub. Additionally could also use some backup/spare axle drive gears for the AF Atlantic. I do not need the AF drivers, but if you do not wish to bother with pulling them off axles I will be glad to do this and return wheels if you like. I am trying to find at least 5-10 frames + above mentioned extras. Hope to be able to aquire these at modest prices as they will be modified and reused for a test run of a conversion project. Note please do not strip the above items off of a running AF engine. Hope that you can find the needed items in your "spare parts/damaged engine (shell/wheels/AF motor/etc.) junk" box. Think of it as a re-cycling project. Please let me know what you may have, your price and charge for shipping/handling. Any and all help is appreciated. Contact me directly (off-list) at: t4u@.... Contact by phone = email me your number, time zone and good time to call and I will be glad to discuss details/questions. Peter Loeb in Oregon PS check my web site at: trains-4-u.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55443	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: All S people both AF/Hi-Rail and Scale need:AF die-cast Atlanti

try e-bay,  I saw several the ottherday, but mostlikely the seller does not know what you are talking about. --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Trains 4 U <t4u@...> wrote: From: Trains 4 U <t4u@...> Subject: [S-Trains] All S people both AF/Hi-Rail and Scale need:AF die-cast Atlantic frames To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:14 AM   I am looking for AF 4-4-2 Atlantic frames in undamaged condition. I would prefer the # PA15D285 "split" frame with hub for choo-choo gear. The # PA 10512 solid one piece frame with hub for choo-choo gear, is also OK (less desireable for modifying due to a number of extra steps required to mount "new" drivers etc.). For either frame I would also desire the smoke unit (working?) piston assembly and s. u. drive gear with retainer hub. Additionally could also use some backup/spare axle drive gears for the AF Atlantic. I do not need the AF drivers, but if you do not wish to bother with pulling them off axles I will be glad to do this and return wheels if you like. I am trying to find at least 5-10 frames + above mentioned extras. Hope to be able to aquire these at modest prices as they will be modified and reused for a test run of a conversion project. Note please do not strip the above items off of a running AF engine. Hope that you can find the needed items in your "spare parts/damaged engine (shell/wheels/ AF motor/etc.) junk" box. Think of it as a re-cycling project. Please let me know what you may have, your price and charge for shipping/handling. Any and all help is appreciated. Contact me directly (off-list) at: t4u@.... Contact by phone = email me your number, time zone and good time to call and I will be glad to discuss details/questions. Peter Loeb in Oregon PS check my web site at: trains-4-u.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55444	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: e-bay #380140425081

American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55445	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

They look like S gauge loco gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55446	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: AM Mystery Sounds

Hello All, I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55447	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 They look like S gauge steam loco main drive gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55448	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

Hey Bull, Since it is An American Models Pacific, it sounds like the chuff and Choo- choo . That could mean there is a short in the wiring somewhere. Just a good guess.                                                               Thanks,                                                                          Alan Lambert --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AM Mystery Sounds To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 2:30 PM   Hello All, I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55449	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

It is supposed to be a feedwater or injector pump? Or a defective Chuff?? Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AM Mystery Sounds Hello All, I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55450	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

Hi Carl, I had the engine running about as slow as it would go in the video. If I speed it up the chuff sounds fine. Also the bell and whistle work fine. So far it's still a mystery! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > It is supposed to be a feedwater or injector pump? > > Or a defective Chuff?? > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:31 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] AM Mystery Sounds > > > Hello All, > > I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can > hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in > the video. Can anyone explain what these are? > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55451	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

I do not have one of my own to help troubleshoot but suspect the dwell (length) of the chuff trigger may be too long and causing a double chuff at slow speed? Anybody else got a clue? Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM Mystery Sounds Hi Carl, I had the engine running about as slow as it would go in the video. If I speed it up the chuff sounds fine. Also the bell and whistle work fine. So far it's still a mystery! BG1 > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:31 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] AM Mystery Sounds > > > Hello All, > > I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can > hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55452	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/26/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 26, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55453	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

Hi Bruce,                   The parts for this auction are PA11441 Worm Gear Covers for Alco & GP7 Diesels.                                       Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:29 PM   They look like S gauge loco gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55454	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: S-Gaugers Open House - Bring Your Trains To Run On Aug. 22 (So. Cali

For Southern California group members, here is information about the upcoming San Diego S-Gaugers Open House courtesy of Peter Gagnon. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads Of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ ==================================== Come Run Your "S Gauge" Locomotives and Trains on the Club's Modular Layout on Saturday, August 22, 2009. Hours are 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm. Location: 1262 Melba Road, Encinitas Our double-tracked mainline can accommodate engines and trains from vintage American Flyer through the latest releases from S-Helper, American Models and Lionel-American Flyer, running highrail or scale wheels. We will have AC, DC, and DCC power/control sources available, so whatever your equipment runs on just bring your trains and we will provide the juice. From I-5, exit on Santa Fe Drive eastbound. Turn left onto Crest Drive then turn left onto Melba Road. 1262 is the 2nd one on the right. Pull all the way down the gravel drive and park behind the house. Map Link: http://tinyurl.com/mk5ahr For additional information, visit our web site at: http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55455	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

Thanks, Tom. I knew they looked like gear covers, but wasn't sure which loco. I thought I remembered the Alco gear covers as being flat with no hump, though I could be wrong about that. At least, the gear covers on my 474/475 and 484/5/6 are flat. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, The parts for this auction are PA11441 Worm Gear Covers for Alco & GP7 Diesels. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:29 PM They look like S gauge loco gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55456	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

Hi Bruce,                You should take another look at your gear covers on your Alcos. No way can these be flat.  The only flat cover for gears is PA10017 Grease Pan on most steam locos. The Atlantic gear cover is PA10080 and that has a bubble.  That may be what you were thinking  about when you seen the auction.  If you have an exploded view of a Alco or GP7 you will see where those gear covers (PA11441) go.                                                                     Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:37 PM   Thanks, Tom. I knew they looked like gear covers, but wasn't sure which loco. I thought I remembered the Alco gear covers as being flat with no hump, though I could be wrong about that. At least, the gear covers on my 474/475 and 484/5/6 are flat. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, The parts for this auction are PA11441 Worm Gear Covers for Alco & GP7 Diesels. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:29 PM They look like S gauge loco gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55457	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Layout Videos

Hello All, For those who viewed my video of the AM mystery sounds you can see I need a new digital camera. The one I'm using is a 3.2 mega pixel Fuji 3800. I'm interested in getting a new digital camera to take both photos and videos as I begin re-building my layout. I've seen some excellent videos posted by group memebers. So - what cameras are you using and what would you receommend? Thanks! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55458	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/26/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

Hi Tom, I'll do it. I'm only going by my feeble memory. :) I'm sure you're probably right on the mark. It's tough getting old and I don't recommend it. Back to the basement...... Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, You should take another look at your gear covers on your Alcos. No way can these be flat. The only flat cover for gears is PA10017 Grease Pan on most steam locos. The Atlantic gear cover is PA10080 and that has a bubble. That may be what you were thinking about when you seen the auction. If you have an exploded view of a Alco or GP7 you will see where those gear covers (PA11441) go. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:37 PM Thanks, Tom. I knew they looked like gear covers, but wasn't sure which loco. I thought I remembered the Alco gear covers as being flat with no hump, though I could be wrong about that. At least, the gear covers on my 474/475 and 484/5/6 are flat. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, The parts for this auction are PA11441 Worm Gear Covers for Alco & GP7 Diesels. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:29 PM They look like S gauge loco gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55459	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: For Sate: K771 Stockyard and more

K771 Stockyard and car made in 1953-1956, all original C-8, $135. The vibrating mat and control button/switch both work well.  All windows are there and secure.  It comes with adjusting wrench, instructions, eight cows, a 976 stock car, and wires that look like they've never been cut.  One brown cow has had its felt replaced. The accompanying 976 Stock Car is also in C-8 condition, with brake wheel, door handles and nibs, and brake wheel.  There are no chips in the catwalk and no rust anywhere.  I cleaned the wheels and they are in beautiful condition.  The vibrating mat works well moving the cows in and out of the car. Pictures and more info are online:            http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_accessories.html While you're there,. check out all the other stuff for sale:           http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55460	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

Hi Bruce,                          No need to check. You'll have to remove the shell.  I've been doing the parts business since 1977.  No one knows more about Gilbert American Flyer parts than I. If you have have a question about a part just drop me an email seccia@....                                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:16 PM   Hi Tom, I'll do it. I'm only going by my feeble memory. :) I'm sure you're probably right on the mark. It's tough getting old and I don't recommend it. Back to the basement.... .. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, You should take another look at your gear covers on your Alcos. No way can these be flat. The only flat cover for gears is PA10017 Grease Pan on most steam locos. The Atlantic gear cover is PA10080 and that has a bubble. That may be what you were thinking about when you seen the auction. If you have an exploded view of a Alco or GP7 you will see where those gear covers (PA11441) go. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:37 PM Thanks, Tom. I knew they looked like gear covers, but wasn't sure which loco. I thought I remembered the Alco gear covers as being flat with no hump, though I could be wrong about that. At least, the gear covers on my 474/475 and 484/5/6 are flat. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, The parts for this auction are PA11441 Worm Gear Covers for Alco & GP7 Diesels. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:29 PM They look like S gauge loco gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55461	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: Robin's Summer Sale Part 7!

Robin's Summer Sale Part 7! Robin's fabulous Summer Sale is on! It will run for 16 days, two days for each sale, and two items most times! So watch this space! For the penultimate sale, we are featuring TOFCs (Trailers on Flat Cars) and Bulkhead Flat cars. This is a "buy 2, get another one free sale." Buy any 2 TOFCs or Bulkhead Flat Cars, and select another TOFC or Bulkhead Flat Car to be included free. You can mix cars as required, but the lowest price car must be the free one. For example, you could buy a TOFC and a Bulkhead Flat Car, and select a free Bulkhead Flat Car. Quantities are not limited, you can get a free car for each two cars that you buy. Just go to the TOFC page, or the Bulkhead Flat Car page, and order two cars that you want. Then choose another in-stock TOFC or Bulkhead Flat Car car that you want to get free. List the car(s) you want to receive free in the comments section of the order. Please include second and third choices where possible, in case we run short of a particular car. Remember, this sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay-away's! Note: Shipping for this sale will be flat rate within the contiguous United States. Each group of 3 cars will ship for $12. This sale ends midnight Tuesday, July 28! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55462	From: Greg Klein	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Baltimore Greenberg Show - Aug 1 & 2

For all of you S gaugers in the Baltimore/Washington Metro Area - the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be operating its modular layout this coming weekend (Aug 1 and 2 from 10 am to 4 pm each day) at the Timonium Fair Grounds on York Road. Hope to see you there and if you have a train you would like to run -- bring it along. Greg Klein BAAFC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55463	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

Thanks, Tom. I appreciate the help and I'll keep your offer in mind. I've been on the receiving end of the Flyer business since the mid 70's myself, but I'm no parts expert for sure. And, when I rely on my memory nowadays, I usually end up with the short end of the stick. :) Thanks again. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, No need to check. You'll have to remove the shell. I've been doing the parts business since 1977. No one knows more about Gilbert American Flyer parts than I. If you have have a question about a part just drop me an email seccia@.... Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:16 PM Hi Tom, I'll do it. I'm only going by my feeble memory. :) I'm sure you're probably right on the mark. It's tough getting old and I don't recommend it. Back to the basement.... .. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, You should take another look at your gear covers on your Alcos. No way can these be flat. The only flat cover for gears is PA10017 Grease Pan on most steam locos. The Atlantic gear cover is PA10080 and that has a bubble. That may be what you were thinking about when you seen the auction. If you have an exploded view of a Alco or GP7 you will see where those gear covers (PA11441) go. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:37 PM Thanks, Tom. I knew they looked like gear covers, but wasn't sure which loco. I thought I remembered the Alco gear covers as being flat with no hump, though I could be wrong about that. At least, the gear covers on my 474/475 and 484/5/6 are flat. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 Hi Bruce, The parts for this auction are PA11441 Worm Gear Covers for Alco & GP7 Diesels. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:29 PM They look like S gauge loco gear covers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 American Flyer parts. The seller id not know what they were. any body here know? I have no idea, but there is a bunch of them cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55464	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: AM Mystery Sounds

BG wrote: I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? BG, I believe that this sound is supposed to represent the air pumps/compressors that were used for train braking. I personally don't think AM's effort came very close to the real life sounds though. Ernie Mennecke _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live� Hotmail�: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55465	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Sunday in Hamburg

Overcast was the word for Sunday AM, thankfully when you are in a tin roof building lacking A/C. Appeared as tho most of the potential 350 tables were up and occupied, crowd reportedly smaller than June show. LOTS of old friends to talk to. Keystone Div Prez Jimmie Potts was set up next to me, so "Division" was talked off and on thru the morning. Late in the morning, as Jimmie and I were comparing Plasticville notes, he mentioned that he had gone to a competitor to get a part for the "HOBO SHACK". Upon his return a "gentleman" was working one of the smoke stacks out of the box on the table and "palming" it. Jimmie watched for a minute or so, then introduced himself and mentioned that the kit "was complete" & he would gladly show him. The part gently dropped to the table as the miscreant quickly departed. NOW, did the miscreant HAVE to have the part to complete his own set, was he JEALOUS because Jimmie had one complete or just a COMMON THIEF????? I would like to know, as I had a "Cattle Yard" stolen not long ago at another show, maybe the same guy. Jim "wish I had seen it happen" Lyle **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55466	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Tavern Update

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1561610610/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=281&count=20&dir=asc I took the night off last night from Tavern making to see Gordon Lightfoot at Wolf Trappe in Vienna, VA. I know more about folk music than trains. O:)! Anyway, I picked up where I left off during the day yesterday and completed the much awaited stairway and put up the special ordered awnings from the D&K RR Company Notions Store. Just kidding, they came with the kit, as you cut them out and made a fold. Next is adding the painted strip of paper for the roof and then to make the custom sign for the tavern, "Stadium Tavern", as Saulenas is the real name, as it was a real tavern somewhere at one time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55467	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: e-bay #380140425081

Hi Bruce,                      Always glad to help.                                  Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-bay #380140425081 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:25 PM Thanks, Tom. I appreciate the help and I'll keep your offer in mind. I've been on the receiving end of the Flyer business since the mid 70's myself, but I'm no parts expert for sure. And, when I rely on my memory nowadays, I usually end up with the short end of the stick. :) Thanks again. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55468	From: innotron	Date: 7/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update

Hi Mike, The naming of your tavern is most important and you may broaden your horizons with a contest. Vote for the tavern's name contest. Winner gets an autographed photo of the finished product and a 1/64th scale beer. If that suits your fancy I humbly submit "Sundown" in honor of Gordon Lightfoot. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern Update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1561610610/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=281&count=20&dir=asc I took the night off last night from Tavern making to see Gordon Lightfoot at Wolf Trappe in Vienna, VA. I know more about folk music than trains. O:)! Anyway, I picked up where I left off during the day yesterday and completed the much awaited stairway and put up the special ordered awnings from the D&K RR Company Notions Store. Just kidding, they came with the kit, as you cut them out and made a fold. Next is adding the painted strip of paper for the roof and then to make the custom sign for the tavern, "Stadium Tavern", as Saulenas is the real name, as it was a real tavern somewhere at one time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/09 6:16 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55469	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern Update

Alex, That is wonderful idea, but the tavern is going to be Stadium Tavern, as that is how a tavern is named based on my ballpark design of the lights, and wall. Even the bracing is the same. So, I will let you toss a 1/64th scale beer when complete. Apple Orchard is named Strickland's Apple Orchard that will to the right of the tavern on the layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: innotron To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tavern Update Hi Mike, The naming of your tavern is most important and you may broaden your horizons with a contest. Vote for the tavern's name contest. Winner gets an autographed photo of the finished product and a 1/64th scale beer. If that suits your fancy I humbly submit "Sundown" in honor of Gordon Lightfoot. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern Update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1561610610/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=281&count=20&dir=asc I took the night off last night from Tavern making to see Gordon Lightfoot at Wolf Trappe in Vienna, VA. I know more about folk music than trains. O:)! Anyway, I picked up where I left off during the day yesterday and completed the much awaited stairway and put up the special ordered awnings from the D&K RR Company Notions Store. Just kidding, they came with the kit, as you cut them out and made a fold. Next is adding the painted strip of paper for the roof and then to make the custom sign for the tavern, "Stadium Tavern", as Saulenas is the real name, as it was a real tavern somewhere at one time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/09 6:16 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55470	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: NASG Convention

To all, For those of you still sitting on the fence, time is flying bye. The special hotel rate of $99 per night is now only available by contacting me directly with the number of days and arrival date. I then have to notify the hotel and we can get the rate for you. Because of the economy, this may be an expensive convention on my part. We thought we would have at least 200 registrants staying an average of 3.5 nights. We have about 53% of that and are going to take a financial hit unless we get more people staying in the hotel. We (the NASG and I) have to pay 50% of whatever we don't make in hotel room-nights as a penalty. So if you are waivering, stop that. Come to St. Louis and have a great time with all your fellow S-gaugers. Best regards, Jim Bresnahan Chairman, NASG 2009 Convention ****** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55471	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: E-Bay Problems resolved

E-Bay and I have restored my account. I'm back to being vttrainguy and just won a 248 that needs some TLC for $39. I really like the E-Bay system, and I'm happy to have things right again. Thank you- John Marganski   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55472	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

With most of the sound in your video coming from the background radio, TV, or stereo, plus what sounded like the camera getting bumped during the filming process, it was hard to tell (especially without a stopwatch) that there was any sound other than one or two random chuffs coming from the loco. Definitely not the sounds one would expect to hear from a locomotive! Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hello All, > > I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55473	From: hjsheffield	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Bus Station

Hello Group I would like to announce a new product I have for sale. It is an S gauge bus station with a footprint of approximately 10" by 10". I have posted pictures of it in the photo section titled bus station. Please take a look. If you are unable to see the files, let me know and I will send you pictures of the station and optional decals and billboard. The kit is $99.95 Other details are with the photos. Be informed also that there IS an S gauge appropriate vintage bus being developed now. Contact me off list with requests for more information Thanks Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55474	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Fw: Tavern

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/2987115/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=281&count=20&dir=asc Tavern is on the layout with roadway down. Road way goes from the tavern, pass the track work gang to the Whistle Stop station and news stand. A total distance of 45.34 miles in the real world. Don Gato and Snou-Bol are on the sidewalk. I have trash cans, etc., to be painted. Milk Bottle has been taken out to be moved to Left Field, as it was blocking the view of the tavern. I will now be adding street lights. Heading off to Altoona, Pittsburgh and Cleveland for baseball this week, then I will order next week the apple trees for the Strickland's Apple Orchard and more EZ line for the telegraph poles. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55475	From: wisner_mark	Date: 7/28/2009
Subject: Decoder Advise

I have a 302 loco with 1/2 can DC motor that draws 2.9 Amps full stall. Running a digitrax super chief 8 Amp DCC system. Recomendations decoder/ with sound?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55476	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: 24558 Christmas Trees

Has anyone found a good replacement match for the Christmas trees that came with the AF 24558 Canadian Pacific flat car? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55477	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise

What's a 1/2 can motor? The can conversion motors are usually .3-.7A running. I've used SoundTraxx Tsunami. If your loco draws over 1A with wheels spinning I'd use a QSI Revolution U. It's 1.3 A constant plus has overload protection, which the Tsunami doesn''t (although I've yet to burn one out). Bill At 09:45 PM 7/28/2009, you wrote: > > >I have a 302 loco with 1/2 can DC motor that draws 2.9 Amps full stall. >Running a digitrax super chief 8 Amp DCC system. >Recomendations decoder/ with sound? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55478	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Bus Station

HiHoward, Very cool bus station! And the development of an appropriate bus is also good news. Might I suggest you post this announcement on the Yahoo 1:64 scale Vehicles list too? I posted photos of my scratch built art deco car dealership there. The dealership was seen by those who saw my club's display layout at the 2009 Spree in Strongsville. Now, I'll have to start saving my pennies and dimes... Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 S Spree Dearborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hjsheffield" <hjsheff@...> wrote: > > Hello Group > > I would like to announce a new product I have for sale. It is an S gauge bus station with a footprint of approximately 10" by 10". > > I have posted pictures of it in the photo section titled bus station. Please take a look. If you are unable to see the files, let me know and I will send you pictures of the station and optional decals and billboard. > > The kit is $99.95 Other details are with the photos. > > Be informed also that there IS an S gauge appropriate vintage bus being developed now. > Contact me off list with requests for more information > > Thanks > Howard Sheffield > Howard' S Trains >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55479	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise

Mark,   As far as I know, the only hi Amp sound decoder is by MRC. It was tested recently in S-Guagian I think. Most DCC decoders have a Maximum Amp rating of 1 Amp. Your 2.9 Amp motor would toast most of them. Before you buy, always check the rating on the decoder. A decoder that can handle the power will have some sort of visible heat sink to shed the heat. I own a Digitrax system for my HO scale layout and one HUGE problem with sound decoders is the start-up power surge caused by the capacitors in the decoder circuits. If you do not have a DCC surge blocking device, the Digitrax booster will not recover from a short if there are two or more sound decoders in the power district. Tony's DCC makes and sells units designed strictly for that purpose. I have over 50 sound-equipped locos and when someone runs an open switch it creates a big problem as the operators must lift the locos off the rails until the booster resets.   Good luck, Nick Kulp --- On Tue, 7/28/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Decoder Advise To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:45 PM I have a 302 loco with 1/2 can DC motor that draws 2.9 Amps full stall. Running a digitrax super chief 8 Amp DCC system. Recomendations decoder/ with sound? ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55480	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise

Something is wrong if your cam motor is drawing almost 3 amps! Those motors shouldn't even draw 1 amp !!! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, > > At 09:45 PM 7/28/2009, you wrote: > > > > > >I have a 302 loco with 1/2 can DC motor that draws 2.9 Amps full stall. > >Running a digitrax super chief 8 Amp DCC system. > >Recomendations decoder/ with sound? > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Train Show Concept

Last week in the Washington Post, they had a article about a gun show in Chantilly, VA. They where interviewing a man, as he did not have a table, but he had a sign on his back, advertising the gun he was carrying around as it was for sale. Soooo, I think walking around York or any train show with a sign on your back selling a train is a wonderful idea. LOL In fact, I might just try that at the mall today. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55482	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise

Bill, Send it to me, I will guarantee I will burn it out. LOL I had a AF Lionel Diesel converted to Diesel by Steve at Sn'S and I was able to burn out the decoder twice. Turns out the front coupler, metal part was hitting the rail. So, Steve took care of that problem too. Runs great now. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Clark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decoder Advise What's a 1/2 can motor? The can conversion motors are usually .3-.7A running. I've used SoundTraxx Tsunami. If your loco draws over 1A with wheels spinning I'd use a QSI Revolution U. It's 1.3 A constant plus has overload protection, which the Tsunami doesn''t (although I've yet to burn one out). Bill At 09:45 PM 7/28/2009, you wrote: > > >I have a 302 loco with 1/2 can DC motor that draws 2.9 Amps full stall. >Running a digitrax super chief 8 Amp DCC system. >Recomendations decoder/ with sound? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55483	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Concept

MOST likely an idea that would greatly offend the promoter running the show. Do see that at the bigger flea markets, people wearing hats or tee-shirts looking for something. Some shows now have "White Elephant" tables for "single item" sellers. Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/29/2009 9:10:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Soooo, I think walking around York or any train show with a sign on your back selling a train is a wonderful idea. **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55484	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advise

Mark; I'm running 15 DCC converted S locomotives, about evenly split between old AF conversions and new SHS and American Models conversions. I have 4 Tsunami steam, the rest are LokSound v3.5 Standard, never had a problem with them. (also one Digitrax) For locos with CAN motor conversions full wheels gripped no rotation stall currents of around 1.5 to 3 amp is normal, running draw of around .5 to .8 amp is also normal. You will never see a full stall in normal operation, and if you did, the decoder would simply shut down. I am not aware of any that are not thermally protected. You do not need 3.5A decoders for a CAN motor converted AF loco, just extra wasted money. Only exception to that would be a dual motored loco. I have never blown or shut down a decoder, except for one I fried by doing something stupid, it was not the Loco's or the decoders fault, I was poking around inside the shrink wrap with a sharp object with power on. Tsunami T1000s, LS v3.5 standard, Digitrax mid range power, QSI, and most other HO targeted decoders will work fine. Personally, LokSound v3.5 is the absolute best if you want a complete range of modeling capability. I have several conversions posted with pics in the photo section here if you want to look. I also some video's on youtube if you want to look / listen. (( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5xqQRJFa4 )) cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > I have a 302 loco with 1/2 can DC motor that draws 2.9 Amps full stall. > Running a digitrax super chief 8 Amp DCC system. > Recomendations decoder/ with sound? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55485	From: cornwall9	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Loksound Sound Decoder assistance

Friends, I have the ability to create custom sound files for specific locomotives and install them into LokSound decoders. I purchased the programmer and I have created several custom decoders for different people, especially the Reading T1 4-8-4. I have a large railroad audio library with a lot of steam files from various railroads. I also have a few diesel recordings but Diesel sounds can be created by rolling a tin can around a tiled floor with rocks inside <grin>. I can also use anyone's personal sound files as long as they do not have a lot of background noise. Adding sound files to a decoder is not really hard but editing sound files to meet the requirements of the small memory space can be a challenge. I would like to offer my help to anyone that would like a decoder customized. If you would be interested, please contact me off-list. Regards, Nick Kulp TCA #05-59603

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55486	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Decoder Advice

While I do not have the manufacturer's information, I've been told there are G-Scale decoders that will fit in an American Flyer tender and handle 4 amperes continuous. Alan Udy ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTQbQYczAsgykYZe1Yle5F1fzpazLRI5KVGkagGwz7oUgR9F2cvx5m/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55487	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hello All, > > I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? > > BG1 > There have been a lot of opinions offered here about these American Models 'Mystery Sounds'. I wrote a note to Ron at AM, and here's what he said: On Wed, 7/29/09, Ronald Bashista <americanmodels@...> wrote: From: Ronald Bashista <americanmodels@...> Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com To: rlgriggs@_________.net Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 4:32 PM yes thats what it is... Ron On Jul 29, 2009, at 4:01 PM, rlgriggs@_________.net () wrote: > Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted > on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 14:01:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > email: rlgriggs@_________.net > > name: Randall Griggs > > Hi, > > Some folks on the S-Trains list have been wondering about the 'sounds' an AM Pacific makes (in a short video clip referenced by BG1). In particular it was a Southern Pacific (like the one my son, Scott, has). I think the 'mystery sounds' are an injector pump, and also, a steam blow-down sound. Can you confirm this so I can set the list members straight? > > Thanks. > > Regards, Randy Griggs > Louisville, Kentucky

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55488	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder Advice

Alan,   You are correct. I forgot about the LOKsound 3.5 XL. This information is directly from the Loksound website. http://www.loksound.com/   The powerful output stage (3.0A continuous-current) will run models with even two prime movers. All known DC- and coreless motors (e.g. Mabuchi®, Bühler®, Faulhaber® or Maxon®) can be used. The load control (back EMF) with 32 kHz High frequency regulation takes care of a silky smooth, absolutely silent motor operation, and lets your engines crawl super slowly on the layout. A 10-bit A/D converter makes this possible. With Dynamic Drive Control (DDC) you can limit the influence of load control and operate really smoothly in the depot area and over turnouts; while on the (fast) main, when going uphill, the engine slows prototypically down.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Wed, 7/29/09, nsupbnsf@... <nsupbnsf@...> wrote: From: nsupbnsf@... <nsupbnsf@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Decoder Advice To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 4:03 PM While I do not have the manufacturer's information, I've been told there are G-Scale decoders that will fit in an American Flyer tender and handle 4 amperes continuous. Alan Udy ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTQbQYczAsgykYZe1Yle5F1fzpazLRI5KVGkagGwz7oUgR9F2cvx5m/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55489	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/29/2009
Subject: Re: Layout update

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1105932473/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=301&count=20&dir=asc I have added to the just completed tavern, a trash can and wooden boxes and barrels. The other barrel will be painted red and white. Lobster traps are done, painted wood color, as Mike and Linda's Lobster Company from Bar Harbor, Maine is picking up the empty traps. In real life, lobster is not delivered in these traps. In fact wood traps are no longer used. The door where the lobster enters and goes into a room that is called the chamber. As the lobster goes into the next room, he is stuck and that is called the parlour. And only the best beer will be served at Stadium Tavern, Dart Beer, from a local drug store now out of business. But made specially for Stadium Tavern and S Helper Field. I have a secret source making the stadium tavern sign. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55490	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

Hi Randall, So now we know what the mystery sound is but what triggers the sound? Also why doesn't any of the AM paperwork mention this? By the way my AM streamlined loco has the same sound. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rlgriggs@..." <rlgriggs@...> wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? > > > > BG1 > > > > There have been a lot of opinions offered here about these American Models 'Mystery Sounds'. I wrote a note to Ron at AM, and here's what he said: > > On Wed, 7/29/09, Ronald Bashista <americanmodels@...> wrote: > > From: Ronald Bashista <americanmodels@...> > Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com > To: rlgriggs@_________.net > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 4:32 PM > > yes thats what it is... Ron > > On Jul 29, 2009, at 4:01 PM, rlgriggs@_________.net () wrote: > > > Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted > > on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 14:01:49 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > email: rlgriggs@_________.net > > > > name: Randall Griggs > > > > Hi, > > > > Some folks on the S-Trains list have been wondering about the 'sounds' an AM Pacific makes (in a short video clip referenced by BG1). In particular it was a Southern Pacific (like the one my son, Scott, has). I think the 'mystery sounds' are an injector pump, and also, a steam blow-down sound. Can you confirm this so I can set the list members straight? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Regards, Randy Griggs > > Louisville, Kentucky >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55491	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

How about the "Tru Scale" variety of trees that were made in the 50's,  or were they the trees that originally came with the car????  Anyone have any info??     Al Paolozzi   amflyral@... --- On Tue, 7/28/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:02 PM   Has anyone found a good replacement match for the Christmas trees that came with the AF 24558 Canadian Pacific flat car? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55492	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: AM Mystery Sounds

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hello All, > > I've posted a video to the files section titled mysterysounds. You can hear what I call the AM mystery sounds at 4, 15, 27, 32 and 43 seconds in the video. Can anyone explain what these are? > > BG1 > I have an AM Pacific just like yours and mine makes those sounds too. I think they are supposed to be the injector and blowdown sounds. American Models locomotives with sound systems have these sounds which trigger all by themselves. I'm not sure if they occur randomly or at some set time interval. My AM GG1 similarly has a blowoff sound and a compressor cycling sound. I also have an AM K4 Pacific and I think it may also have these types of sound effects. I always thought they were kind of neat, although the AM sound system doesn't hold a candle to the RailSounds in the latest Lionel steamers. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55493	From: DonaldJoAnne Mengle	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Hi Al: The trees you are speaking of were in fact so near to the original ones that A. F. used you can not tell them apart. Don On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...>wrote: > > > How about the "Tru Scale" variety of trees that were made in the 50's, or > were they the trees that originally came with the car???? Anyone have any > info?? Al Paolozzi amflyral@... <amflyral%40yahoo.com> > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...<milepost407%40ymail.com>> > wrote: > > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@... <milepost407%40ymail.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] 24558 Christmas Trees > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:02 PM > > > > Has anyone found a good replacement match for the Christmas trees that came > with the AF 24558 Canadian Pacific flat car? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Donald E. Mengle djmengle@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55494	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Would I assume correctly that these trees will be next to impossible to find? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, DonaldJoAnne Mengle <DMengle@...> wrote: > > Hi Al: > > The trees you are speaking of were in fact so near to the original ones that > A. F. used you can not tell them apart. > > Don > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...>wrote: > > > > > > > How about the "Tru Scale" variety of trees that were made in the 50's, or > > were they the trees that originally came with the car???? Anyone have any > > info?? Al Paolozzi amflyral@... <amflyral%40yahoo.com> > > > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...<milepost407%40ymail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@... <milepost407%40ymail.com>> > > Subject: [S-Trains] 24558 Christmas Trees > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > Has anyone found a good replacement match for the Christmas trees that came > > with the AF 24558 Canadian Pacific flat car? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Donald E. Mengle > djmengle@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55495	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/30/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Hi Al,                 The Tru Scale tress were the trees Gilbert used.  These trees have plastic armatures with grass material glued on.  At the York TCA show some years ago, Bob Tufts found 6 or 8 boxes that an HO guy had.  These were still in the Tru Scale boxes.  I believe there were numbers on those boxes, but I never got the chance to note these. I've seen fakes at shows. Some are very obvious. I don't like the idea of reproducing the trees because of the problems it would cause.  If you can find Tru Scale trees these would be the originals.  Many people have asked me to repro the trees.  I'm not going to make these.  There may be another parts supplier making these, but not to my knowledge.                                                    Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 7/30/09, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:44 AM   How about the "Tru Scale" variety of trees that were made in the 50's, or were they the trees that originally came with the car???? Anyone have any info?? Al Paolozzi amflyral@yahoo. com --- On Tue, 7/28/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@ ymail.com> Subject: [S-Trains] 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:02 PM Has anyone found a good replacement match for the Christmas trees that came with the AF 24558 Canadian Pacific flat car? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55496	From: DonaldJoAnne Mengle	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Hi: Yes, sorry about that I will keep my eyes open at York this fall, they do show up once in a while. Don On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:56 PM, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: > > > Would I assume correctly that these trees will be next to impossible to > find? > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, DonaldJoAnne > Mengle <DMengle@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Al: > > > > The trees you are speaking of were in fact so near to the original ones > that > > A. F. used you can not tell them apart. > > > > Don > > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > How about the "Tru Scale" variety of trees that were made in the 50's, > or > > > were they the trees that originally came with the car???? Anyone have > any > > > info?? Al Paolozzi amflyral@... <amflyral%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...<milepost407% > 40ymail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@... <milepost407%40ymail.com>> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] 24558 Christmas Trees > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <S-Trains% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone found a good replacement match for the Christmas trees that > came > > > with the AF 24558 Canadian Pacific flat car? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Donald E. Mengle > > djmengle@... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > -- Donald E. Mengle djmengle@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55497	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Robin's Summer Sale Part 8!

Robin's Summer Sale Part 8! Robin's fabulous Summer Sale is on! It will run for 16 days, two days for each sale, and two items most times! So watch this space! This is it, the Last of eight sales! This time we are featuring F7's. The F7s have been very successful, and we only have MP A units, and two PRR B units left! So here's the deal, buy either a Missouri Pacific F7 A unit, or a PRR F7 B unit, and get any three in-stock freight cars (except Flat Cars with loads), or any two in-stock cabooses. Just go to the MP F7 page, or the PRR F7 page, and order the F7 unit that you want. Then list the car you want to receive free in the comments section of the order. Please include second and third choices where possible, in case we run short of a particular car. Remember, this sale only applies to in stock items, and there are no lay-away's! Note: Shipping for this sale will be flat rate within the contiguous United States. Each group of F7 and 2 or 3 cars will ship for $14. This sale ends noon Monday, August 3! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55498	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55499	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

We discussed these trees here about 18 months ago. At that time the discussion was about the height and type of trees that came with the 24558. For tree height check out the photos: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Volume 1, Fourth Edition, Page 136: 3 trees are tall and one is short. Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Volume 1, Fifth Edition, Page 156: all trees are in plastic wrap so you can't tell any height differences. Both Greenberg and the TM Price Guide list two types of trees: (1) fiber material on metal wire and (2) rubber type tree. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. > I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). > S' > David > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55500	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

David, On page 88 of David Doyle's book American Flyer Trains is a photo of the car and the trees. They are True-Scale trees, I've got some packed away in my HO stuff somewhere. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55501	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

And, of course, TheGilbertGallery.org has pictures of both types of trees, plus an unopened bag of trees:            http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:12 AM   David, On page 88 of David Doyle's book American Flyer Trains is a photo of the car and the trees. They are True-Scale trees, I've got some packed away in my HO stuff somewhere. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55502	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

I bought three of these new from a store. The trees came 4 to a plastic bag. The cars I bought all had the Tru-Scale type trees made of plastic with plug together parts. The trunk and roots molded in brown plastic and the foliage in layers of decreasing size as they moved up the tree molded in green plastic. Since these all came from the same store and probably the same production lot from the same year, there could well be other types of trees used in other years or lots of production.   Bill Drake St. Louis. --- On Fri, 7/31/09, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:32 AM   This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55503	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Hi David,                         I have sold an original 24558 Christmas Tree car with the trees in a clear plastic bag unopened.  These had plastic armatures with grass material glued on.  These were the same trees that Bob Tufts showed me at York.  I've seen trees made entirely of plastic on the flat cars. These had green branches and brown trunks. These are not originals.   The best way to authenticate the original trees is to have these in a unopened clear bag or find the Tru Scale trees in the original boxes.                                                                 Tom Seccia                                                              --- On Fri, 7/31/09, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:32 PM   This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55504	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION

NASG MEMBERS ONLY The long-awaited "NASG Brick Building" is now "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" and will be available at the St. Louis Convention beginning Thursday morning. Cost is $99.95 if you pick it up there, or $5.00 more to ship. Ohio residents add $6.75 for sales tax. If need to ship, mail your check (made payable to " NASG Inc." ) to: NASG Brick Building Alan Evans Rocky Fork Printing 165 Granville St. Gahanna, OH 43230 _____ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of william cole Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:29 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit where can i get my hands on these and how much????? Bc LOandS@yahoogroups. <mailto:LOandS%40yahoogroups.com> com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related> com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ''Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007'' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio <http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S> org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Fri, 7/31/09, richgajnak <rustytraque@ <mailto:rustytraque%40sbcglobal.net> sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: richgajnak <rustytraque@ <mailto:rustytraque%40sbcglobal.net> sbcglobal.net> Subject: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit To: S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:58 PM Hello, boys.. The all but nearly forgotten NASG Factory kit arrived today. Has it been 5 years already? Yep, according to my records, I ordered two kits on 7/1/04. Worth the wait. Looks to be pretty nice, just like the DPM modular sections available in HO. A brief, quick inspection show crisp molding for the side panels and windows, laser cut wood trusses for the roof support and two nicely cast metal chimneys. Thanks to the NASG members who gave their blood, sweat and tears, and to Banta Modelwoorks for making this project a reality. Rich G. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55505	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Hi Jim,                 If you ever get those Tru Scale trees out of your boxes and you have an original Tru Scale box with a stock number, please let me know the number.                                                           Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:12 PM   David, On page 88 of David Doyle's book American Flyer Trains is a photo of the car and the trees. They are True-Scale trees, I've got some packed away in my HO stuff somewhere. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55506	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/31/2009
Subject: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"

Order form attached for NEW NASG Building. - Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55507	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"

Alan, The list strips attachments. Roy on 7/31/09 8:52 PM, Alan Evans at alan@... wrote: > > > > > Order form attached for NEW NASG Building. > > - Alan Evans > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55508	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"

Alan,   Evidently, the list does not permit attachments. You must mail them off-list.   Nick Kulp --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Alan Evans <alan@...> wrote: From: Alan Evans <alan@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "S Trains List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 9:52 PM Order form attached for  NEW NASG Building.             - Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55509	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: EXCITEMENT IS BUILDING RE THE NASG 2009 CONVENTION IN ST LOUIS-READ

Group, THIS MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF THE BEST NASG CONVENTIONS EVER HERE IN ST LOUIS NEXT WEEK! WEBSITE: _http://www.nasg2009.com/index.htm_ (http://www.nasg2009.com/index.htm) o Why not just "bite the bullet" and just come just for all the activities and home tours! o Put away your worries and just drive to fabulous St. Louis either with the family or buddy up with someone else if even for only a few days and DRIVE. o Trust me, there will be bargains galore just in case you have some $ for that long awaited piece of rolling stock or locomotive whether you be a Hi Railer, Scaler.or Sn3er! o Even if you can't buy much, come for the S camaraderie, the RR tours, unique clinics, non RR tours, house tours and of coarse experience the great hospitality that we St. Louisianans are noted for! o And don't forget the Dinner, modeling contest, and Jamies famous auction. FLASH NEWS UPDATE: - Come see the new long awaited NASG Factory Kit - The following rare AFSGSLA cars will be for sale at the convention: Available Fall S Fest Meet Cars include: FSF-1995 A/F by Lionel, Monsanto Chemical Tank Car (White), LTI #48495 FSF-1999 A/F by Lionel, Monsanto 3-Bay Covered Hopper (White),LTI #48215 SF-2003 S Helper Service, TTRX TOFC with REAX Trailer,SHS #00193 FSF-2007 A/F by Lionel, UPRR Generator Car, LTI #48261 See ya in St. Louis? Jack Riely **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55510	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Oops on NASG Order Form attachment!

List E mail me direct and I'll forward the NASG Brick Building Order form as a pdf attachment with picture.. NOTE: The 16 members who pre-ordered: your building(s) have been shipped! - Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55511	From: uvl97222	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: 346 old stile e-unit

Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... Clayton D. Milwaukie OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55512	From: richs009	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: fixing up a 332 (DC)

I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55513	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Model train fair cancelled

Jack, and all the hard working guys associated with the upcoming NASG Convention in St. Louis: Things are also tough in your sister city to the west. Our Union Station Kansas City Model Railroad Society Train Fair scheduled for September has been cancelled due to lack of advance paid vendors. Unfortunate for lots of reasons, among them: disappointed kids, less foot traffic for Union Station, less income for the MRSS, and now the public will miss seeing model trains in one of the best venues for display in America, Union Station Kansas City, second-largest rail terminal in America. Roy, in a blue funk on a rainy morning in Kansas City, Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55514	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

Clayton, Top-quality reverse-unit fingers are readily available, and are an automatic replacement in all repair work that we do. I don't know what you mean by "old style", unless you are differentiating between the 4-position ("old style"), and the 2-position ("new style") reverse units. We have fingers for both. There is also the 4-position, motor-mounted e-unit used briefly on the 346...it was a nightmare, and was short-lived. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... > > Clayton D. > Milwaukie OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55515	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

Hi Clayton,                          The reverse unit you have is XA13B102. This was used only in 343 & 346 0-8-0 Switchers.  No one reproduced those fingers.  The part number is PA13A110.  I have these in stock 2/$2.50.  If you have a conversion reverse unit XA14C429 the fingers would be PA14A442 & PA14A443.  These are 2/$2.50.   The fingers that Doug is offering are for the more common reverse units XA10587 & XA8731.  These fingers were never used in a 346.                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:58 AM   Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... Clayton D. Milwaukie OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55516	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

Doug, do you have a copy of the K-line service manual? If so then go to page 92 # 346 then look at the e-unit item #58 This type of e-unit is not the same as in the 343 that is in the tender, and not in the Franklin type nor in the pacific - #21085  Clayton --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 6:26 AM   Clayton, Top-quality reverse-unit fingers are readily available, and are an automatic replacement in all repair work that we do. I don't know what you mean by "old style", unless you are differentiating between the 4-position ("old style"), and the 2-position ("new style") reverse units. We have fingers for both. There is also the 4-position, motor-mounted e-unit used briefly on the 346...it was a nightmare, and was short-lived. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@.. .> wrote: > > Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... > > Clayton D. > Milwaukie OR > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55517	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION

Is there a photo or other detailed information about this thing? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Evans Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:26 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S Trains List Subject: [S-Trains] {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION NASG MEMBERS ONLY The long-awaited "NASG Brick Building" is now "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" and will be available at the St. Louis Convention beginning Thursday morning. Cost is $99.95 if you pick it up there, or $5.00 more to ship. Ohio residents add $6.75 for sales tax. If need to ship, mail your check (made payable to " NASG Inc." ) to: NASG Brick Building Alan Evans Rocky Fork Printing 165 Granville St. Gahanna, OH 43230 _____ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of william cole Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:29 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit where can i get my hands on these and how much????? Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55518	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Tom, I found the trees, but unfortunately there is no box. They were in a box with other loose trees that I saved when I dismantled my HO layout in the mid 60's. Most of the "green grass" that was on the limbs has fallen off. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees Hi Jim, If you ever get those Tru Scale trees out of your boxes and you have an original Tru Scale box with a stock number, please let me know the number. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:12 PM David, On page 88 of David Doyle's book American Flyer Trains is a photo of the car and the trees. They are True-Scale trees, I've got some packed away in my HO stuff somewhere. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55519	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

The flat car on the GilbertGallery.com site (with no metal stakes and four pine trees), appears to be Plasticville HO pine trees #2410. I suspect they are not correct for this car. Or are they? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > And, of course, TheGilbertGallery.org has pictures of both types of trees, plus an unopened bag of trees: > >            http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > >   > > > > > > David, > > > > On page 88 of David Doyle's book American Flyer Trains is a photo of the car and the trees. They are True-Scale trees, I've got some packed away in my HO stuff somewhere. > > > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David Dewey > > To: s-trains list > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees > > > > This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. > > I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). > > S' > > David > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55520	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

Thank you Tom. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:43 AM   Hi Clayton,                          The reverse unit you have is XA13B102. This was used only in 343 & 346 0-8-0 Switchers.  No one reproduced those fingers.  The part number is PA13A110.  I have these in stock 2/$2.50.  If you have a conversion reverse unit XA14C429 the fingers would be PA14A442 & PA14A443.  These are 2/$2.50.   The fingers that Doug is offering are for the more common reverse units XA10587 & XA8731.  These fingers were never used in a 346.                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:58 AM   Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... Clayton D. Milwaukie OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55521	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/2/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55522	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"

_____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:33 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" Alan, The list strips attachments. Roy on 7/31/09 8:52 PM, Alan Evans at alan@rockyforkprint <mailto:alan%40rockyforkprinting.com> ing.com wrote: > > > > > Order form attached for NEW NASG Building. > > - Alan Evans > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55523	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

Hi Clayton,                        Please let me know if you want those contacts (PA13A110). I have these in stock.  You will have a lot of fun replacing these.                        Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:26 PM   Thank you Tom. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:43 AM Hi Clayton, The reverse unit you have is XA13B102. This was used only in 343 & 346 0-8-0 Switchers. No one reproduced those fingers. The part number is PA13A110. I have these in stock 2/$2.50. If you have a conversion reverse unit XA14C429 the fingers would be PA14A442 & PA14A443. These are 2/$2.50. The fingers that Doug is offering are for the more common reverse units XA10587 & XA8731. These fingers were never used in a 346. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:58 AM Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... Clayton D. Milwaukie OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55524	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Hi Jim,                    Thanks for checking.                                   Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:00 PM   Tom, I found the trees, but unfortunately there is no box. They were in a box with other loose trees that I saved when I dismantled my HO layout in the mid 60's. Most of the "green grass" that was on the limbs has fallen off. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees Hi Jim, If you ever get those Tru Scale trees out of your boxes and you have an original Tru Scale box with a stock number, please let me know the number. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@comcast. net> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:12 PM David, On page 88 of David Doyle's book American Flyer Trains is a photo of the car and the trees. They are True-Scale trees, I've got some packed away in my HO stuff somewhere. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55525	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION

_____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION Is there a photo or other detailed information about this thing? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Alan Evans Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:26 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com; S Trains List Subject: [S-Trains] {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit AVAILABLE AT ST LOUIS CONVENTION NASG MEMBERS ONLY The long-awaited "NASG Brick Building" is now "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" and will be available at the St. Louis Convention beginning Thursday morning. Cost is $99.95 if you pick it up there, or $5.00 more to ship. Ohio residents add $6.75 for sales tax. If need to ship, mail your check (made payable to " NASG Inc." ) to: NASG Brick Building Alan Evans Rocky Fork Printing 165 Granville St. Gahanna, OH 43230 _____ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On Behalf Of william cole Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:29 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Factory Kit where can i get my hands on these and how much????? Bc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55526	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"

_____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Kulp Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" Alan, Evidently, the list does not permit attachments. You must mail them off-list. Nick Kulp --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Alan Evans <alan@rockyforkprint <mailto:alan%40rockyforkprinting.com> ing.com> wrote: From: Alan Evans <alan@rockyforkprint <mailto:alan%40rockyforkprinting.com> ing.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" To: S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "S Trains List" <S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 9:52 PM Order form attached for NEW NASG Building. - Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55527	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

Oh, can I get two sets? Also how would you like to do this? Ebay Buyit now price? You can send it to me. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 4:17 PM   Hi Clayton,                        Please let me know if you want those contacts (PA13A110). I have these in stock.  You will have a lot of fun replacing these.                        Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:26 PM   Thank you Tom. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:43 AM Hi Clayton, The reverse unit you have is XA13B102. This was used only in 343 & 346 0-8-0 Switchers. No one reproduced those fingers. The part number is PA13A110. I have these in stock 2/$2.50. If you have a conversion reverse unit XA14C429 the fingers would be PA14A442 & PA14A443. These are 2/$2.50. The fingers that Doug is offering are for the more common reverse units XA10587 & XA8731. These fingers were never used in a 346. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:58 AM Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... Clayton D. Milwaukie OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55528	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

I know just by looking at them that I'm going to have fun.... Oh Joy... --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 4:17 PM   Hi Clayton,                        Please let me know if you want those contacts (PA13A110). I have these in stock.  You will have a lot of fun replacing these.                        Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:26 PM   Thank you Tom. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:43 AM Hi Clayton, The reverse unit you have is XA13B102. This was used only in 343 & 346 0-8-0 Switchers. No one reproduced those fingers. The part number is PA13A110. I have these in stock 2/$2.50. If you have a conversion reverse unit XA14C429 the fingers would be PA14A442 & PA14A443. These are 2/$2.50. The fingers that Doug is offering are for the more common reverse units XA10587 & XA8731. These fingers were never used in a 346. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:58 AM Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... Clayton D. Milwaukie OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55529	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2009
Subject: Re: 346 old stile e-unit

Hi Clayton,                         Send me an email to seccia@....   See if you need any other parts. I'll send these Priority Mail.                                                   Thank You,                                                         Tom --- On Sat, 8/1/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 10:03 PM   Oh, can I get two sets? Also how would you like to do this? Ebay Buyit now price? You can send it to me. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 4:17 PM Hi Clayton, Please let me know if you want those contacts (PA13A110). I have these in stock. You will have a lot of fun replacing these. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:26 PM Thank you Tom. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:43 AM Hi Clayton, The reverse unit you have is XA13B102. This was used only in 343 & 346 0-8-0 Switchers. No one reproduced those fingers. The part number is PA13A110. I have these in stock 2/$2.50. If you have a conversion reverse unit XA14C429 the fingers would be PA14A442 & PA14A443. These are 2/$2.50. The fingers that Doug is offering are for the more common reverse units XA10587 & XA8731. These fingers were never used in a 346. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/1/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 old stile e-unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:58 AM Tom, is any one making the old stile e-unit fingers ? I know that this e-unit is not that great , and sticks bad. I like to stay with what's in the train - OEM if I can. This is the first e-unit that they made, I think???? The drum is small too... Clayton D. Milwaukie OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55530	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Rich, I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. Barry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55531	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55532	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Rich, I have three 332 dc's and had a couple of others that I have sold over the years. Some thoughts With the original DC motors running on AC current you can use an old e-unit with a rectifier bridge,or an electronic unit. These engines seldom have enough power to climb hills. The engine will creep uphill and race downhill. Train length is limited. They seem to work well on flat layouts but use a lot of power, but the smoke units seem to really crank out the smoke with the higher transformer settings. I still have one original DC motor on AC track. The "Timco" can motor has far more power than Flyer's famous large motor but the transformer settings are so low that the smoker is weak. A 332 with this motor is almost dangerous because of the excessive speeds this engine can obtain. The engine can haul unbelievably long trains to the point of wheels constantly slipping. An electronic e-unit or a flyer reverser with rectifier bridge is needed. I have never tried a SnS motor in a northern because of the weight. They perform well in smaller engines but I have never tried it here. I had one with the timco and the electronic reverser. It was fun to run and problem and maintanance free. It was also custom painted. A good friend wanted it so I sold it to him. E bay seems to always have junker 307 engines for less than $25 that are not worth a repair, but usually have good motors and reversers ( I personally have never had one that did not work )that will drop into a 332 with a minimum of effort. This combination seems to always work well and is an inexpensive swap and the smoker works well. Doug Peck sells an after market 3/4" or large motor that someone made from old 1/2" motors. I bought one from a different vender but was the most pleased with this arrangement. I like the sound of the motor whirring as the train makes its way arround the layout and again good smoke. I have one of these custom painted and love it. Rich, You mentioned that you have poked arround Carl Tuveson's site. He shows the rectifier bridge with a Flyer reverser. He also recommends a Lionel elctronic e-unit that costs MUCH less than the Dallie ( but more than the $13 Carl mentions) and you will not be hit as hard with the shipping. Not quite as powerfull as Dallie and does not reset to forward automatically after ten secounds as Dallie does but worth a look. I have not installed any led lights in my northerns or any other Flyer steam engines for that matter. I found that if the light coming from the headlite was dim then the original lens was just old and fogged and I replaced it. I bought 332 DC's from ebay because they were usually $100 cheaper then the newer models and I had fun bringing these back to life. Have fun and good luck. Ernie Mennecke _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/2/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55534	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Cass Scenic RR video

My wife and I have been going to the Cass Scenic RR in West Virginia since 1972. Our Children grew up camping and staying in cabins in various State Parks when riding the train. Now my daughter has 3 girls of her own and she wanted me to take them up there for that steam train experience. All 3 grandaughters loved it. I took some video of our train to Whitaker station and as you can see, it was raining pretty hard. Next day I took a video of the Whitaker train arriving back in the depot in Cass on a much nicer day. Enjoy. Wayne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aim6Jg7o_Hc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t2bD4rvDw4

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55535	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335  also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due?   Clayton OR  --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM   I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55536	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release Date: 08/02/09 05:56:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55537	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: Cass Scenic RR video

Wayne, that is so cool! was that a two truck shay? Now why didn't flyer make one of them?   Clayton  OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Cass Scenic RR video To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 3:28 PM   My wife and I have been going to the Cass Scenic RR in West Virginia since 1972. Our Children grew up camping and staying in cabins in various State Parks when riding the train. Now my daughter has 3 girls of her own and she wanted me to take them up there for that steam train experience. All 3 grandaughters loved it. I took some video of our train to Whitaker station and as you can see, it was raining pretty hard. Next day I took a video of the Whitaker train arriving back in the depot in Cass on a much nicer day. Enjoy. Wayne http://www.youtube com/watch? v=aim6Jg7o_ Hc http://www.youtube com/watch? v=_t2bD4rvDw4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55538	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Rich, I'd like to echo Ernie's comments on the can motor conversion. I have used Lionel electronic e units and found them satisfactory even though they didn't reset to forward. I picked a few up at swap meets and that in itself makes a cheapskate like me happy. ;>) I have, however, used LED's for headlights. The original bulbs sometimes don't line up with the lens all that well. It depends on the model. The LED is VERY bright, and fits inside the original lens opening with a little modification, either to the LED or the opening. Plus the LED draws less current than a bulb, and thus more power goes to the motor and smoke unit. I had a converted K5 running at the 2009 S Spree on the SMSG display layout. Jeff Madden was kind enough to put a picture of it in the latest Dispatch. The locomotive pulls like crazy, and is also capable of slow running like an original Gilbert locomotive rarely is. BTW, the K5 was a rescued junker. For the $20 price plus about $50 in parts, I have a great runner and the satisfaction of seeing my handiwork in action. Just my two centavos... Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 S Spree --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ernest Mendecke <emennecke@...> wrote: > > > Rich, > > > ..........I have not installed any led lights in my northerns or any other Flyer steam engines for that matter. I found that if the light coming from the headlite was dim then the original lens was just old and fogged and I replaced it... > > Ernie Mennecke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55539	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Today I was rooting around in some boxes of scenery stuff  (get it trees/rooting)  anyway I found that I have a Tru Scale box of 6 trees in great condition,labeled Autumn Trees, H O 33-100.  I also found that in Greenbergs, S gauge Volume 2. page 57,   there is a photo of the flat with trees and a Tru Scale Autumn trees box.  So did the car ever come with Autumn Trees????   Interestin topic and thanks to ALL that responded.   Al,  HOT in the desert Paolozzi --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:54 PM   Hi Jim,                 If you ever get those Tru Scale trees out of your boxes and you have an original Tru Scale box with a stock number, please let me know the number.                                                           Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@comcast. net> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:12 PM   David, On page 88 of David Doyle's book American Flyer Trains is a photo of the car and the trees. They are True-Scale trees, I've got some packed away in my HO stuff somewhere. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55540	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Fixing up a 332 (DC)

I also have a 332DC awaiting reworking. The motor runs as described, slow uphill, runaway down. However, I am a long time proponebt of going to DC can moros. I have used SnS Trains' cans for several years and love them! There are two versions, one a "slower" motor geared down to allow you to run slower on a higher throttle setting for brighter lights and more smoke, and one that runs just as an original Flyer moptor. Check their website for details. Yes, you can keep the original parts for the next collector, but once you go to a can motor, you'll be hooked by the performance. I run straight DC, eliminating the reverse unit, but I'm more of a model railroader in S than a toy train collector and operator. Smooth, reliable operation is important on my display layouts. Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55541	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/2/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

Hi Al,                     The trees for the 24558 were only green.  The box with the Autumn trees was to show that Tru Scale made scenery products similar to the trees sold to Gilbert.  Text reads "Tru Scale produced many different types of trees, foilage, and roadbed for the model train industry. (They used to make "S" Scale track Code .172 with wood roadbed and ties) The Christmas trees they manufactured for Gilbert were also sold separately as well as autumn and spring trees"  If you can find those trees in green, you got a winner.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/2/09, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 7:44 PM Today I was rooting around in some boxes of scenery stuff (get it trees/rooting) anyway I found that I have a Tru Scale box of 6 trees in great condition,labeled Autumn Trees, H O 33-100. I also found that in Greenbergs, S gauge Volume 2. page 57, there is a photo of the flat with trees and a Tru Scale Autumn trees box. So did the car ever come with Autumn Trees???? Interestin topic and thanks to ALL that responded. Al, HOT in the desert Paolozzi --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:54 PM Hi Jim, If you ever get those Tru Scale trees out of your boxes and you have an original Tru Scale box with a stock number, please let me know the number. Tom Seccia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55542	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: S Fest Passenger Cars for sale. - Pre-convention sale offering

I am offering for sale a complete set of the "Fall S Fest Passenger Cars" at my dealer table at the NASG Convention. The asking price is $350 for all 7 cars. If anyone offers to buy them prior to my leaving for the convention, I will offer free shipping and insurance. I request payment by cashiers check. A description of the cars appears below: FALL S FEST PASSENGER CARS: This is the complete set of 7 different heavyweight passenger cars. They in are numbered original boxes. No trucks, couplers, or light sockets are included. Some boxes have window material but most do not. I will include some extra window material with silhouettes (but without shades) that I have on hand, but they may or may not fit all cars. These cars are decorated in the Chicago & Northwestern green and yellow paint scheme. They look great behind a # 283 Chicago & Northwestern AF Steam Locomotive or behind another locomotive of your choice. My choice personal choice would be to pull them behind a pair of F or E units from American Models or SHS. The green on these cars is a close match to the AF green mail pickup car and operating baggage cars. (1) RPO Car “1994” “CHICAGOLAND” #82 ..... (2) Baggage car “1946 – 1996 50th Anniversary”, “MILWAUKEE”, #76 ... (3) Combine “1993”, “STATELINE”, #92 ... (4) Coach “1997”, “SOUTH BELOIT”, #66 ... (5) Pullman “1992”, “PETER J. JUGLE”, #102 ... (6) Dining Car “1995”, “SAINT LOUIS”, #64 ... (7) Observation Car “1991 BADGERLAND", #59 ... Earl Henry, Jr. 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 615-298-4502 cell 615/545-6115 _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55543	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: California Zephyr Passenger Cars for sale. - Pre-convention sale o

I am offering for sale 7 California Zephyr Passenger Cars at my dealer table at the NASG Convention. The asking price is $280 for all 7 cars. If anyone offers to buy them prior to my leaving for the convention, I will offer free shipping and insurance. I request payment by cashiers check. A description of the cars appears below: FLYONEL PASSENGER SET – “CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR” These cars are in original boxes in new or like-new condition. One box shows wear on the bottom. (1) Combine “SILVER BEAVER”, (Western Pacific California Zephyr “Silver Beaver” Combo car #6-48926) (2) Vista Dome “SILVER SAGE”, (Western Pacific California Zephyr “ Silver Sage” Vista Dome #6-48927) (3) Vista Dome “SILVER SCHOONER”, (Western Pacific California Zephyr “ Silver Schooner” Vista Dome #6-48928) (4) Vista Dome “SILVER PALACE”, (Western Pacific California Zephyr “ Silver Palace” Vista Dome #6-48929) (5) Vista Dome “SILVER DOLLAR”, (Western Pacific California Zephyr “ Silver Dollar” Vista Dome #6-48930) (6) Observation Car “SILVER PLANET”, (Western Pacific California Zephyr “Silver Planet” Observation Car #6-48931) (7) Dining Car “SILV ER PLATTER”, (Western Pacific California Zephyr “ Silver Platter” Dining Car #6-48932) Earl Henry, Jr. 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 615-298-4502 cell 615/545-6115 _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ____________________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55544	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: Re: 24558 Christmas Trees

I have a Christmas tree car with the trees still in the plastic bag, stapled, never opened. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains list Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 24558 Christmas Trees This is a very interetsing discussion, because the trees that came with my car are all plastic. Does anyone have pictures of an "unopened" package of trees.? I'd really like to know what is supposed to be with the car. I'm the second owner of my car, so although I have the boxes, what was in them may have been changed by my cousins (the original owners). Kinda doubtful, as I think they did not play with this set much, the paper-mache scenery panels are still in the bottom of the box, although they did paint one of them. I probably played with them more than they did! (I've had the set since '67, when I was in 8th grade). S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55545	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 8/3/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"

Alan, Could you hold one for me at the convention. I won't make it but I told Jeff Madden to pick it up for me. Thanks, Steve Lunde ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Evans To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S Trains List Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" Order form attached for NEW NASG Building. - Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55546	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: AM Smooth sided Pass Set - NP-NORTH COAST DAYLIGHT - pre conv offer

I will be offering a 5 car NP set from American Models for sale at my dealer table at the NASG Convention in Saint Louis. If anyone buys it prior to my leaving for the convention mid-day on Wednesday, they get free shipping and insurance. I prefer payment by cashiers check. This message is much more readable on _AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com) than on the _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) or _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) versions which contort and distort the paragraphs. (Moderators, I hope you will do something about this). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ AMERICAN MODELS - SCALE LENGTH PASSENGER CARS: “NORTHERN PACIFIC (a la NORTH COAST LIMITED!)” These smooth sided lightweight cars were made by American Models, but they are no longer in stock. If you think the Flyonel NP set is beautiful, you should see these cars. The graphics are outstanding. This is truly an exceptional set. The cars are assembled with windows, SHS kadee-style couplers, interior lighting in all cars, and streamlined trucks that American Models uses on their shorter Budd passenger cars. These cars come with high rail wheels but they can easily be changed to scale wheels. (you do the changing). The asking price for this 5 car set is $650.. (1) Baggage Car - One window is loose. (2) Coach - One window is loose. (3) Sleeper - one coupler is broken and will need to be replaced. (4) Vista-Dome Car (5) Observation Car The purchaser of this set will probably want to purchase an FP7A-F7B-FP7A set from American Models. I have a set that I purchased from the seller of the cars but the diesels are not equal in condition to the passenger cars, which are exceptional. However, I will offer them for $150 to the buyer of the passenger cars, otherwise the price is $200. The overall paint condition is OK. FP7 6600A is missing left rear steps, window inserts, and the number boards are messed up. F7B6704 is missing one end step, and another step is loose, both couplers are broken, and one round window pane is missing. FP7 6601A is missing both number boards and some windows, one coupler is broken, One of the A units is operational but I am unsure about he other two. Hopefully I will be able to test the locos before I leave for Saint Louis, mid-day Wednesday. Earl Henry, Jr. 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 615-298-4502 cell 615/545-6115 _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55547	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals"

Steve, Consider it done. May see you at S Fest. - Alan _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lunde Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" Alan, Could you hold one for me at the convention. I won't make it but I told Jeff Madden to pick it up for me. Thanks, Steve Lunde [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55548	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Flyonel Heavhyweight Pass Cars - UP and Pennsy - Pre-convention Pr

This message is much more readable on _AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com) than on _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) which contort and distort the paragraphs. (Moderators, I hope you will do something about this). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ FLYONEL HEAVYWEIGHT CARS - UNION PACIFIC AND PENNSYLVANIA I will b offering for sale some Flyonel Heavyweight passenger cars at my dealer tables at the NASG Convention in Saint Louis. I have not priced them yet. I will consider offers made by email up until I leave for the convention mid-day Wednesday. I prefer payment by cashiers check. I will offer free shipping and insurance if anyone makes an offer I accept prior to my leaving for the convention. A description of the cars is below. AF UP HEAVYWEIGHT 4-PACK - 6-48978 Combo ‘5916’ Coach ‘405’ Diner ‘3617’ Observation ‘106’ And AF UP HEAVYWEIGHT COACH - 6-48980 Coach ‘405’ (free shipping not offered on individual cars) The UP cars are like new in original boxes. Tbey have been operated briefly a couple of times. ============================================ AF PENNSYLVANIA HEAVYWEIGHT 4-PACK - 6-48992 Combo ‘INDIAN ROCK’ Coach ‘ANDREW CARNEGIE’ Diner ‘SALMON B. CHASE’ Observation ‘SKYLINE VIEW’ Also two individual cars for sale: (free shipping not offered on individual cars) Diner ‘SALMON B. CHASE’ 6-49907 Observation ‘SKYLINE VIEW’ 6-49908 The Pennsylvania cars are like new in original boxes. Tbey have been operated briefly a couple of times. Earl Henry, Jr. 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 615-298-4502 cell 615/545-6115 _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ____________________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55549	From: Rashied Jibri	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: FW: S scale

In the July/August S Gaugian, S Briefs section, there's a paragraph about Downtown Deco's vain attempt at generating interest is a S Scale structure kit. The kit that was offered was a 3-story factory. I emailed Downtown Deco and suggested that there may be a better response if he tried a smaller kit. Read his reply below. I know the S Scale market is small and dwindling, but when a vendor makes offer perhaps we should make an effort to support it so we can hold on to what we got. If anyone is interested, I suggest going to the Downtown Deco website and look at the kits in other scales like the Addams St. series. If there is enough interest in a particular kit we can then approach Dowtown Deco about a S Scale project. Rashied From: downtowndeco@... To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:46:00 -0600 OK, thanks. What I'm saying it seems no matter what I propose to do in S Scale there is never an agreement. It's always too big or too small or too east coast too west coast too old too new etc. I'd like to do an S Scale kit, but no one can seem to agree on what it is they'd like to buy. : ) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@... Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: RE: S scale Maybe you did not understand me. I am aware the there was a lack of interest for the S scale 3-story building project. I am suggesting that a smaller kit may have better success if you were to try it again. From: downtowndeco@... To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:43:57 -0600 Hi Rashied, The S Scale project has been halted because of a lack of interest. THanks much. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@... Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: S scale In the current S Gauguain magazine it is mentioned that you were testing the waters of the S scale market back in March. The kit you offered was a three story factory. I know this kit is too large for my layout. Also, club traveling modular layouts are becoming more popular and large structures are not always practical. Perhaps there will be a better S scale response if a smaller kit was offered, such as one of the Addams St kits or even the Hamburger Stand. I will be happy to assist in promoting Downtown Deco S scale kits. Rashied Jibri Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55550	From: william cole	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Re: FW: S scale m(Downtown deco)

If Downtown Deco were to do an S building....   my vote in order of my preference:   Horowitz Garment Company  Triangle Fruit Company Shipping Warehouse Flat Addams Avenue Part 5 Addams Avenue Part 3 Angels Flight Motel Skid Rown Part 2 Trackside Tavern hope 99 others can agree on one or 2 of these..... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Rashied Jibri <Rjibri@...> wrote: From: Rashied Jibri <Rjibri@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FW: S scale To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 2:36 PM   In the July/August S Gaugian, S Briefs section, there's a paragraph about Downtown Deco's vain attempt at generating interest is a S Scale structure kit. The kit that was offered was a 3-story factory. I emailed Downtown Deco and suggested that there may be a better response if he tried a smaller kit. Read his reply below. I know the S Scale market is small and dwindling, but when a vendor makes offer perhaps we should make an effort to support it so we can hold on to what we got. If anyone is interested, I suggest going to the Downtown Deco website and look at the kits in other scales like the Addams St. series. If there is enough interest in a particular kit we can then approach Dowtown Deco about a S Scale project. Rashied From: downtowndeco@ montana.com To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:46:00 -0600 OK, thanks. What I'm saying it seems no matter what I propose to do in S Scale there is never an agreement. It's always too big or too small or too east coast too west coast too old too new etc. I'd like to do an S Scale kit, but no one can seem to agree on what it is they'd like to buy. : ) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@ montana.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: RE: S scale Maybe you did not understand me. I am aware the there was a lack of interest for the S scale 3-story building project. I am suggesting that a smaller kit may have better success if you were to try it again. From: downtowndeco@ montana.com To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:43:57 -0600 Hi Rashied, The S Scale project has been halted because of a lack of interest. THanks much. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@ montana.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: S scale In the current S Gauguain magazine it is mentioned that you were testing the waters of the S scale market back in March. The kit you offered was a three story factory. I know this kit is too large for my layout. Also, club traveling modular layouts are becoming more popular and large structures are not always practical. Perhaps there will be a better S scale response if a smaller kit was offered, such as one of the Addams St kits or even the Hamburger Stand. I will be happy to assist in promoting Downtown Deco S scale kits. Rashied Jibri Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowslivef ormobile. com/en-us/ photos/default. aspx?&OCID= 0809TL-HM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55551	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/4/2009
Subject: Re: SHS commercialism, this week at SHS...

This week at SHS�.. This has been a hectic week here at SHS. A new shipment arrived yesterday with the DL&W reefers as well as NWX �Eatmor Cranberries� and the Prima Beer cars. They can be seen and ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Along with this shipment were the 2009 NASG convention cars. They are now on their way to St. Louis. Also, Hoquat Hobbies ordered and received two more numbers of the ever popular Ballantine & Sons Beer cars. Lastly, track and components were in the container. Next week the the R/C switches will be sailing from Hong Kong. These have been out of stock for some time now. We expect them about the first week of September. August�s shipment is expected to include new stock cars, double sheathed boxcars and the 00259 20� radius curved track. The freight cars will be the 3M and TH&B double sheathed boxcars. Stock cars will include UP, CB&Q and the new CP Rail. Our Christmas Cars (2009 GN Christmas boxcar with tree) may be part of this shipment too . Robin told me they are almost sold out. This will be the earliest we have sold out of this offering. They can still be ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html We have a new coil load for our flatcars. This car features four coil loads held in place by laser cut chocks. Like the tarp covered coil loads, the price is $62.95. We have sold out of AT&SF and Reading flatcars as well as one number of PRR. Only a few of the tarp covered coil loads remain in stock. http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html Re- Code 110 2-8-0 News � These will be on the market again as we discovered why the fireman�s side drivers were not getting current. Longer contact pins are the solution and we are now having these produced. If anyone would like a code 110 2-8-0, please let Robin know. More DCC news�. Bill and I have installed our first F units with the QSI Revolution U DCC sound decoders. We were both very pleased how the A-B-B-A F7s operated and some of the added features that come with these decoders. We tested them for several hours before we shipped them out. All new F7 or F unit upgrades we will use the QSI Revolution U�s. We will still be using the Tsunamis for the 2-8-0 and our switchers. Lastly�Top 5 items purchased in July� #3, tied Marhoefer Packing Co. Reefers (number 3 is sold out) #3, tied Pacific Fruit Express Reefers (all numbers still available) #3, tied C&I offset hoppers (both numbers still available) #2 IC Offset hoppers (sets and single cars still available) #1 Flex Track 6/pk (#00465) http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/OffsetHoppers/offsethoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/track/FlexTrack.html Everyone enjoy the rest of the summer, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55552	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: -Video: DCC-BitSwitch Overview by Fred Hughes

| SUBJECT: Video describing DCC-BitSwitch, and DCC in general Demos in this video are done in G scale and N scale, but apply to all gauges of DCC trains. ===================== 1. VIDEO LINKS: ===================== * Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=z_M7xC0coyc Part 1 covers (1) Introductions, (2) Overview of DCC-BitSwitch, and (3) Fred's views on DCC systems. * Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nwo2UYvkK-g Part 2 covers , (4) about the NCE cab, (5) DCC overview, (6) Automatic Braking-3 methods, (6) Method 1-Analog DCC, and (7) Method 2-Set Speed Zero. * Part 3: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SGPyaHeyGzI Part 3 covers (8) Method 3-Asymmetric DCC, (9) Lenz decoders for push/ pull operation, (10) custom track plans, (11) other DCC-BitSwitch videos, and (12) photos of installed DCC-BitSwitch layouts. * http://track2.com/info/661 - This is a 'forwarding page' with links to all seven (7) DCC-BitSwitch-related videos referenced in the above video. ===================== 2. COMMENTS: ===================== I recently had the opportunity to videotape Fred Hughes, the gentleman who designed and owns "DCC-BitSwitch". Fred was kind enough to do an impromptu speech for me. As you may or may not know, "DCC-BitSwitches" are electrical controls that allow for "hands off", automatic control of DCC trains. This three-part YouTube video featuring DCC-BitSwitch designer and owner Fred Hughes, gives an overview of both DCC-BitSwitch and DCC systems in general. Fred talks about the 3 ways to automatically brake (stop) a DCC train: 1) analog DC, 2) set speed zero command, and 3) asymmetric DCC. Fred also discusses his experiences and reasons for preferring North Coast Engineering (NCE) DCC systems, and also talks about some advantages of Lenz and Zimo decoders. * http://DccBitSwitch.com - the official DCC-BitSwitch website. ========================================== 3. ADDITIONAL DCC-BITSWITCH-RELATED VIDEOS: ========================================== * http://youtube.com/watch?v=SxEQQlVPzUI - 'DCC-BitSwitch On The Hiwan Loop', showing DCC-BitSwitch controls operating on owner Fred Hughes's outdoor layout (video made by MovieMix.com). * http://youtube.com/watch?v=bpMYeZBXDf4 - 'Hiwan Loop', showing Fred's outdoor layout the 'Hiwan Loop' (video made by MovieMix.com). * http://vimeo.com/3396203 - 'Hiwan Loop', same video, but on Vimeo. * http://www.vimeo.com/609545 - 'DCC Automated Trains' on Vimeo, showing DCC-BitSwitch controlling long passenger trains on a large eight feet in the air -- at the Gaylord Texan Resort Hotel (video made by Dennis Cherry). * http://vimeo.com/3396947 - 'Foos Garden Layout' on Vimeo, showing another DCC-BitSwitch-controlled outdoor layout (video made by MovieMix.com) * http://vimeo.com/3396622 - 'Bertram Garden Layout' on Vimeo, showing another DCC-BitSwitch-controlled outdoor layout (video made by MovieMix.com) * http://vimeo.com/3396738 - 'Goins Garden Layout' on Vimeo, showing another DCC-BitSwitch designed track plan. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA http://AutoControls.org MacBook Pro/OS 10.5 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55553	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: tavern is done

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55554	From: william cole	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: Re: tavern is done

very nice work!!!!! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 8/5/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] tavern is done To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 9:09 PM   http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/1344886131/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=301& count=20& dir=asc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55555	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/5/2009
Subject: Tavern legal Problems

SPCA Cites Tavern Owner Dingburg, MD (AP) - The DelMarVa Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has filed a complaint against Delia Sindbad, owner of the Stadium Tavern on Railroad Street in Dingburg, after two cats were found crushed to death beneath a galvanized trash can on the sidewalk outside the bar. "Them two cats has been hangin' around ever since my husband passed ten years ago", said Sindbad. "In fact, th' grey one used ter stare at him while 'e was workin', and it made 'im so superstitious-like 'e wus afeard to clime up on th' roof. Th' white one showed up after Bill died. Hit's kinda queer how 'e gazes up into my upper story window at night, like 'e knows me. Anyway, them cats is always rummaging through th' garbage, tipping th' cans over and waking up th' neighborhood, and makin' a turrible mess on th' sidewalk." SPCA inspection of the premises revealed that the cans contained no garbage and were, in fact, solid die-cast zinc alloy. "Each of those huge hunks of metal musta weighed 750 pounds", said humane officer Herve Ledbetter. "Heaven help the kitty that tips one over and gets pinned beneath it. A little critter'd get squashed flatter 'n a flapjack. Beats me why a body would perch two o' them precarious-like along a well-traveled alley where a kid or a critter coulda got steamrollered." Sindbad was charged with feline endangerment and released on her own recognizance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55556	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: tavern is done

Thanks William. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: william cole To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] tavern is done very nice work!!!!! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 8/5/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] tavern is done To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 9:09 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/1344886131/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=301& count=20& dir=asc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55557	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems

Mike, Thanks for the laugh so early in the morning. Great way to start the day! Now, on to "yard work".... (two four-letter words)... Jerry Poniatowski Registrar 2010 S Spree Dearborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > SPCA Cites Tavern Owner > > Dingburg, MD (AP) - > > The DelMarVa Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has filed a > complaint against Delia Sindbad, owner of the Stadium Tavern on Railroad > Street in Dingburg, after two cats were found crushed to death beneath a > galvanized trash can on the sidewalk outside the bar. > > "Them two cats has been hangin' around ever since my husband passed ten > years ago", said Sindbad. "In fact, th' grey one used ter stare at him > while 'e was workin', and it made 'im so superstitious-like 'e wus afeard to > clime up on th' roof. Th' white one showed up after Bill died. Hit's kinda > queer how 'e gazes up into my upper story window at night, like 'e knows me. > Anyway, them cats is always rummaging through th' garbage, tipping th' cans > over and waking up th' neighborhood, and makin' a turrible mess on th' > sidewalk." > > SPCA inspection of the premises revealed that the cans contained no garbage > and were, in fact, solid die-cast zinc alloy. > > "Each of those huge hunks of metal musta weighed 750 pounds", said humane > officer Herve Ledbetter. "Heaven help the kitty that tips one over and gets > pinned beneath it. A little critter'd get squashed flatter 'n a flapjack. > Beats me why a body would perch two o' them precarious-like along a > well-traveled alley where a kid or a critter coulda got steamrollered." > > Sindbad was charged with feline endangerment and released on her own > recognizance. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55558	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: LOT"S" of "S" for "S"ale

I am helping three people sell their collections.  The following are in hand and ready to ship upon receipt of payment.  Pictures and more information are on my website:                 http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/for_ sale.html For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse!  Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.   771 Stockyard with 976 stock car. C-8 $135. 962 Green-Stripe  Hamilton Vista-Dome Car. VG $75   962 Green-Stripe Hamilton Vista Dome Car. G $40. This would qualify as Excellent condition, but one skirt is broken off. It's a terrific car for a display case or a siding where people will see only the good side!!! 963 Green-Stripe  Washington Observation Car. VG $100. 960 Chestnut-Stripe Columbus Combination Car. Ex- $215 963 Chestnut-Stripe Washington Observation Car. VG $200 1953 F5329 Meteor Freight Set VG $250 (no boxes or paperwork; engine has been serviced and runs great; reversing e-unit cycles properly 100% of the time) 971 Mo & Joe lumber unloading flatcar.  Ex- no boards or pickup rail. $125 944 Industrial Brownhoist crane car.  This is a beauty!  Ex- $70 945 Work and Boom car on plastic base.  Ex- $45 945 Work and Boom car on diecast base in original box.  VG+ $25   946 Erie Floodlight car in original box. VG+ $45 931 Texas & Pacific Gondola.  Ex- $13   48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99   48554 Bethlehem Steel Gondola with Coil Covers made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99.   48374 Holiday Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99   48375 Stock Car with Reindeer made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99   49046 Animated Santa Caboose made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $84.99   740 Handcar.  VG- $65 566 Whistling Billboard with instructions in the original box. Ex $60 15B transformer. Ex $60   1-1/2 transformer in original box. Ex $6   sideframe assemblies for the front and back ends of an Alco diesel dummy engine; they have no power pickup shoes.  Ex $25   Marx O-Scale foot bridge.  VG- $30.   Marx #4412 tinplate Glendale Station (unlighted) with figures.  It has all the figures that originally came in the lighted set #4414; I don’t know whether #4412 came with the same or different figures.  $20   Also in the collection are three plastic telephone poles and other pieces that would go nicely with this station.   Three Lionel #310 billboards.  The plastic is in excellent condition but the cardboard inserts show their age.  $8.00 each. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55559	From: Jim King	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: B&O M53/M53A kit design changes

The M53/M53A body design in 3D CAD will be done by this weekend. As I finalize details and focus on the door/door tracks, it's becoming increasingly obvious that I will not be able to offer Creco and Youngstown doors in the same kit. The door tracks are different enough to require separate car bodies, along with other features like tack boards and defect card holder "tubes". Creco doors were shorter than Youngstown and had very different door tracks. The upper track has a rain deflection shield, the lower track was more of a C-channel than track. Neither works for the taller Youngstown door, aside from the fact that both tracks were a different design and longer. Therefore, I will be producing the more popular Youngstown door equipped car which first appeared post-WWII and lasted until the end of revenue service in the late 70s. Decal artwork is complete and includes all eras except passenger service (which also used Creco doors initially). Only of few of you wanted Creco doors, so I'll give you the opportunity to cancel your order and I'll send a full refund. If the Youngstown door will suit your needs (as it was in service for 75% of the car's life), then your order is still "good" and will be processed when the kits are available in mid-Sept. Sorry for the confusion but such changes are common as more info becomes available. I'd rather be as accurate as possible than compromise details just to get "close enough". That's now how I work J. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55560	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: B&O M53/M53A kit design changes

Hi Jim:   Whatever doors you chose is fine with me.   Len --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote: From: Jim King <jimking3@...> Subject: [S-Trains] B&O M53/M53A kit design changes To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, SSPM@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 1:50 PM   The M53/M53A body design in 3D CAD will be done by this weekend. As I finalize details and focus on the door/door tracks, it's becoming increasingly obvious that I will not be able to offer Creco and Youngstown doors in the same kit. The door tracks are different enough to require separate car bodies, along with other features like tack boards and defect card holder "tubes". Creco doors were shorter than Youngstown and had very different door tracks. The upper track has a rain deflection shield, the lower track was more of a C-channel than track. Neither works for the taller Youngstown door, aside from the fact that both tracks were a different design and longer. Therefore, I will be producing the more popular Youngstown door equipped car which first appeared post-WWII and lasted until the end of revenue service in the late 70s. Decal artwork is complete and includes all eras except passenger service (which also used Creco doors initially). Only of few of you wanted Creco doors, so I'll give you the opportunity to cancel your order and I'll send a full refund. If the Youngstown door will suit your needs (as it was in service for 75% of the car's life), then your order is still "good" and will be processed when the kits are available in mid-Sept. Sorry for the confusion but such changes are common as more info becomes available. I'd rather be as accurate as possible than compromise details just to get "close enough". That's now how I work J. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymou ntainmodelworks. com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55561	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems

Jerry, You are welcome as I can not take the credit for that news story. It was written by a O gauge friend. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tavern legal Problems Mike, Thanks for the laugh so early in the morning. Great way to start the day! Now, on to "yard work".... (two four-letter words)... Jerry Poniatowski Registrar 2010 S Spree Dearborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > SPCA Cites Tavern Owner > > Dingburg, MD (AP) - > > The DelMarVa Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has filed a > complaint against Delia Sindbad, owner of the Stadium Tavern on Railroad > Street in Dingburg, after two cats were found crushed to death beneath a > galvanized trash can on the sidewalk outside the bar. > > "Them two cats has been hangin' around ever since my husband passed ten > years ago", said Sindbad. "In fact, th' grey one used ter stare at him > while 'e was workin', and it made 'im so superstitious-like 'e wus afeard to > clime up on th' roof. Th' white one showed up after Bill died. Hit's kinda > queer how 'e gazes up into my upper story window at night, like 'e knows me. > Anyway, them cats is always rummaging through th' garbage, tipping th' cans > over and waking up th' neighborhood, and makin' a turrible mess on th' > sidewalk." > > SPCA inspection of the premises revealed that the cans contained no garbage > and were, in fact, solid die-cast zinc alloy. > > "Each of those huge hunks of metal musta weighed 750 pounds", said humane > officer Herve Ledbetter. "Heaven help the kitty that tips one over and gets > pinned beneath it. A little critter'd get squashed flatter 'n a flapjack. > Beats me why a body would perch two o' them precarious-like along a > well-traveled alley where a kid or a critter coulda got steamrollered." > > Sindbad was charged with feline endangerment and released on her own > recognizance. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55562	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service.  Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM   The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release Date: 08/02/09 05:56:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55563	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems

I was thinking Mike's tavern was going to be shutdown for under age drinking or some sucnn thing.  Glad to have seen the notice of the tavern opened. --- On Wed, 8/5/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tavern legal Problems To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Art Fahie" <barmillsmodels@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...> Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 9:36 PM   SPCA Cites Tavern Owner Dingburg, MD (AP) - The DelMarVa Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has filed a complaint against Delia Sindbad, owner of the Stadium Tavern on Railroad Street in Dingburg, after two cats were found crushed to death beneath a galvanized trash can on the sidewalk outside the bar. "Them two cats has been hangin' around ever since my husband passed ten years ago", said Sindbad. "In fact, th' grey one used ter stare at him while 'e was workin', and it made 'im so superstitious- like 'e wus afeard to clime up on th' roof. Th' white one showed up after Bill died. Hit's kinda queer how 'e gazes up into my upper story window at night, like 'e knows me. Anyway, them cats is always rummaging through th' garbage, tipping th' cans over and waking up th' neighborhood, and makin' a turrible mess on th' sidewalk." SPCA inspection of the premises revealed that the cans contained no garbage and were, in fact, solid die-cast zinc alloy. "Each of those huge hunks of metal musta weighed 750 pounds", said humane officer Herve Ledbetter. "Heaven help the kitty that tips one over and gets pinned beneath it. A little critter'd get squashed flatter 'n a flapjack. Beats me why a body would perch two o' them precarious-like along a well-traveled alley where a kid or a critter coulda got steamrollered. " Sindbad was charged with feline endangerment and released on her own recognizance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55564	From: michael prell	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: Tavern legal Problems

Folks? Are you absolutely fer sher that yous don't live in Solvay, New York? Any Tyrolian-Americans reading this will get it (:>) Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Tavern legal Problems To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:58 PM   Jerry, You are welcome as I can not take the credit for that news story. It was written by a O gauge friend. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tavern legal Problems Mike, Thanks for the laugh so early in the morning. Great way to start the day! Now, on to "yard work".... (two four-letter words)... Jerry Poniatowski Registrar 2010 S Spree Dearborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@.. .> wrote: > > SPCA Cites Tavern Owner > > Dingburg, MD (AP) - > > The DelMarVa Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has filed a > complaint against Delia Sindbad, owner of the Stadium Tavern on Railroad > Street in Dingburg, after two cats were found crushed to death beneath a > galvanized trash can on the sidewalk outside the bar. > > "Them two cats has been hangin' around ever since my husband passed ten > years ago", said Sindbad. "In fact, th' grey one used ter stare at him > while 'e was workin', and it made 'im so superstitious- like 'e wus afeard to > clime up on th' roof. Th' white one showed up after Bill died. Hit's kinda > queer how 'e gazes up into my upper story window at night, like 'e knows me. > Anyway, them cats is always rummaging through th' garbage, tipping th' cans > over and waking up th' neighborhood, and makin' a turrible mess on th' > sidewalk." > > SPCA inspection of the premises revealed that the cans contained no garbage > and were, in fact, solid die-cast zinc alloy. > > "Each of those huge hunks of metal musta weighed 750 pounds", said humane > officer Herve Ledbetter. "Heaven help the kitty that tips one over and gets > pinned beneath it. A little critter'd get squashed flatter 'n a flapjack. > Beats me why a body would perch two o' them precarious-like along a > well-traveled alley where a kid or a critter coulda got steamrollered. " > > Sindbad was charged with feline endangerment and released on her own > recognizance. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55565	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

I looked up the part in my Book, and this part is called a magnet cover PA 10549 so can this part play two rolls then? Clayton --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:38 AM    Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service.  Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM   The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release Date: 08/02/09 05:56:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55566	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Hi Clayton,                      The part - PA10549 is blacken brass. It does protect the steel metal parts from being drawn into the armature and magent.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:38 AM   Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release Date: 08/02/09 05:56:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55567	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Hi Clayton. They are probably there to keep stuff out. It is true that horseshoe magnets need a keeper to help keep their magnetisim. However the the steel laminations on the rotor work nearly as well as a keeper plate anyway.Whether they are run or not should not make much difference but over a period of time those 1940's magnets will lose some of their magnetism, whether or not they have keepers. It should be possible to take the whole motor out and place it in a magnetisng coil to remagnetise. Finding someone who has one or can make one could be the problem! Have agreat day buddy! BTW I am planning on getting some early (1913-25) Gilbert Erector stuff and buld an overhead cable car setup to go over the Standard Gauge layout before next years train show! Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55568	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: New Cars...

No. It's not Cash for Clunkers................ Happened to be at Wally's today and noticed two new Motor Max American Graffiti 1:64 die-cast diorama cars. For around 9$ you get a heck of a lot considering one S figure from the usual sources will go for between $4 and $6. First one is Ray's Camera Shop/Downtown Savings & Loan. This has a '56 T-Bird, a woman figure in a dress with a pocketbook, a traffic light, a mailbox, a fire hydrant, a "No Stopping" sign, a parking meter and an American flag on a pole. Of course, it also has the diorama store fronts. Second one is Rusty's Auto Salvage. This has a '70 Dodge Charger, a bare-chested guy figure in bibbed jeans, a gas pump, a Model A hood, an oil pan, 2 engines, 2 jack stands, an exotic gas cylinder, an engine hoist and a tool box. Again, Rusty's is the diorama background. Bought 'em. Only way they could be better would be to have the figures' mode of dress reversed. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55569	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Possibly. It may keep stray magnetism in and shield it from negative effects of the eraths magnetism. Keep it on anyway. Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) I looked up the part in my Book, and this part is called a magnet cover PA 10549 so can this part play two rolls then? Clayton --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:38 AM Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55570	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Tom,  I took a look you are right. The part is copper or brass with black paint on it.  Clayton --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:12 PM   Hi Clayton,                      The part - PA10549 is blacken brass. It does protect the steel metal parts from being drawn into the armature and magent.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:38 AM   Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55571	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/9/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55572	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Clayton, You are in Portland, right? If so there was a magnet shop in the NE somewhere about 30+ years ago. Might still be there. Mike at the other end of Ore In a message dated 8/8/2009 5:01:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, uvl97222@... writes: Tom, I took a look you are right. The part is copper or brass with black paint on it. Clayton --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@trainsand_ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) > wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@trainsand_ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:12 PM Hi Clayton, The part - PA10549 is blacken brass. It does protect the steel metal parts from being drawn into the armature and magent. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:38 AM Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55573	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Hi Clayton,                          Just to let you know, while the PA10549 Cover is brass, the magnetic field will still attract steel parts through the cover.   I believe the cover was solely designed to protect the DC armature from getting steel parts jammed.  If you look at the make up of the Permanent Field it has brass plates with rivets at the top.  Steel parts will still be attracted to this portion of the DC Field as well as the bottom portion.  The bakelite brush bracket protects the top portion of the field.   Some parts which have a brass look are steel parts with brass plating. This parts are attracted to magnets.  XA9476 and XA11001 DC armatures are wound differently than the other armatures.  I believe the poles go in a different direction.  Someone once told me that these fields can de-magnetize over time.  I sold a lot of used XA10355 DC fields over the years and I haven't had any complaints.  If there is another reason for the PA10549 cover, I don't have one.                                                               Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 7:45 PM   Tom, I took a look you are right. The part is copper or brass with black paint on it. Clayton --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:12 PM Hi Clayton, The part - PA10549 is blacken brass. It does protect the steel metal parts from being drawn into the armature and magent. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:38 AM Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55574	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

Thanks Tom..  Clayton OR --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 7:48 PM   Hi Clayton,                          Just to let you know, while the PA10549 Cover is brass, the magnetic field will still attract steel parts through the cover.   I believe the cover was solely designed to protect the DC armature from getting steel parts jammed.  If you look at the make up of the Permanent Field it has brass plates with rivets at the top.  Steel parts will still be attracted to this portion of the DC Field as well as the bottom portion.  The bakelite brush bracket protects the top portion of the field.   Some parts which have a brass look are steel parts with brass plating. This parts are attracted to magnets.  XA9476 and XA11001 DC armatures are wound differently than the other armatures.  I believe the poles go in a different direction.  Someone once told me that these fields can de-magnetize over time.  I sold a lot of used XA10355 DC fields over the years and I haven't had any complaints.  If there is another reason for the PA10549 cover, I don't have one.                                                               Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 7:45 PM   Tom, I took a look you are right. The part is copper or brass with black paint on it. Clayton --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:12 PM Hi Clayton, The part - PA10549 is blacken brass. It does protect the steel metal parts from being drawn into the armature and magent. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:38 AM Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55575	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

With the way things are closing down I don't know if they would still be there. I will look in to it. I think I told you that my two boys went to SOU for 4 to 5 years each. That was down your way. What a drive that was to drop them off to school, and live down there. They loved the area.  I have also order smoke from you, and can say you have a fine item that you sell. I use it also when repairing trains - smoke boxes. I hope all is well down your way.  Clayton OR --- On Sat, 8/8/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 5:06 PM   Clayton, You are in Portland, right? If so there was a magnet shop in the NE somewhere about 30+ years ago. Might still be there. Mike at the other end of Ore In a message dated 8/8/2009 5:01:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, uvl97222@yahoo. com writes: Tom, I took a look you are right. The part is copper or brass with black paint on it. Clayton --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@ trainsand_ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com) > wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@ trainsand_ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:12 PM Hi Clayton, The part - PA10549 is blacken brass. It does protect the steel metal parts from being drawn into the armature and magent. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:38 AM Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55576	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: fixing up a 332 (DC)

We have magnaflux equipment at the other plant, and the ring - coil is so big. What do you think I'm thinking now? :)) The area is about 12 feet long, and the ring is on a rail that slides. No, I would not be working there if I did that... In the old days I could have ask one of my friends to do it for me..  Clayton OR --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 2:47 PM   Hi Clayton. They are probably there to keep stuff out. It is true that horseshoe magnets need a keeper to help keep their magnetisim. However the the steel laminations on the rotor work nearly as well as a keeper plate anyway.Whether they are run or not should not make much difference but over a period of time those 1940's magnets will lose some of their magnetism, whether or not they have keepers. It should be possible to take the whole motor out and place it in a magnetisng coil to remagnetise. Finding someone who has one or can make one could be the problem! Have agreat day buddy! BTW I am planning on getting some early (1913-25) Gilbert Erector stuff and buld an overhead cable car setup to go over the Standard Gauge layout before next years train show! Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Alistair, on one of my DC trains there is a plate that was formed to fit over the magnet area. Let say the open end of the horse shoe. My Dad would tell me if you don't run the DC motors the magnet will run down, but he did say if you keep a iron bar across the magnet so it is in use they will not run down as fast. This was only to be done in the case of one being out of service. Is this true or was my dad wrong? Also could some of the plates be gone off other trains? Were the plats made to keep the magnet from picking up bits of metal from the area the train was set up at, and not enter in to the brush- commutator - armature coil area? --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:04 PM The bottom line with the original DC motors is that some or many will require remagnetizing. That is the major cause of poor performance and high power consumption with these DC motors. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) Hi, I like to keep it OEM parts, but if you change it just hang on to the parts for the next flyer kid to play with it. There is a lot of talk in here of change this out, and I think it's you right to do so. I just love to hear the old style OEM going down the track, and the smell of the smoke. I have a 332 DC and 332 AC - K335 also 336 and three of the new ones by lionel. Also 533 in "O" gauge. As for how fast the 332 DC goes. I have one the moves like all the rest, but on AC. Are you sure there's not a good cleaning due? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ron Plyler <ron_tallyho@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: fixing up a 332 (DC) To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:22 AM I have one of these that was sitting on a siding and accidently got powered up on AC. It burnt the motor up which I carefully rewound by hand. If you take the motor apart without a keeper, you can weaken the magnet. Another problem. I wanted to keep it original so I went to Radio Shack and bought a bridge rectifirer and using a stock e-unit put it back together to run on AC and keep the cloth covered wires to the engine. It works fine. Ron Plyler > > Rich, > I have a 332 which initially would run but weakly. If you find that problem a can motor would definately be the answer unless of course you wanted to find an original replacement motor. Can motor (SNS) works well in mine. Can will work with a normal reverse unit or Dallee e-unit. > > Barry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > I recently acquired an AF 332, which turns out to have a DC motor. I haven't yet tried to run the motor (I will) and am considering my 'fix-up' options. Since all my other Flyer stuff runs on AC, I thought that the least I would do is install an electronic 'E' unit - like the one made by Dallee - which would also convert the AC to DC in addition to providing the directional switching. That card, as I understand it, would also allow me to add a soundcard and power some LED lights, etc. I don't plan to use either DCC or TMCC, so I'm not looking to go that route. > > > > So my questions are 1) what experiences folks have had with these types of conversions, 2) should I add a can motor (assuming the current DC motor works so I have a choice), 3) is there a clear preference for which motor? and/or 4) anything else to consider? > > > > I've poked around quite a bit on Carl Tuveson's site and have found much of what he shows to be quite helpful. I tune in to this group fairly frequently and am impressed by the collective wisdom and the usual willingness to provide useful information and opinions. Thanks in advance. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55577	From: uvl97222	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: 346 Rare on ebay???

Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-346-SWITCHER-RARE_W0QQitemZ200369673849QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2ea6f69679&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR

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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/9/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55579	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

If I get off my butt, I could look at mine! I was supposed to have had it boxed-up and sent to SnS for repair MONTHS ago! Rick. > Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-346-SWITCHER-RARE_W0QQitemZ200369673849QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2ea6f69679&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 > > In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the > cab hanging down. > > The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the > back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The > train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to > ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two > position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position > one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. > > > > Clayton > OR > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55580	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware.  The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound.  If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot.                                                  Tom Seccia                                                   --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM   Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. http://cgi.ebay com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55581	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Youtube Layout Video

Hello All, I have posted my first video on Youtube of a freight train on my soon to be under construction layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmlxCgEGeo Let me know what you think! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55582	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video

Looks like a lot of fun to me! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:26:20 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Youtube Layout Video Hello All, I have posted my first video on Youtube of a freight train on my soon to be under construction layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmlxCgEGeo Let me know what you think! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55583	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

I saw a set #20460 with a 346 that had that same reverse unit. the engine was marked 346 but they listed the engine as being a 21145. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/9/2009 5:37:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@..._ (mailto:uvl97222@...) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@..._ (mailto:uvl97222@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. _http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55584	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

Hi Mike,                      Set number 20460 Yard King Special 1958 came with a 21145 Switcher.  This switcher used a XA14C429 Reverse Unit.  The 346 Switcher was issued with a XA13A102 Reverse Unit.  This Reverse Unit also came in a 343 in 1955.  There were a lot of problems with these reverse units and conversion instructions were sent to the American Flyer repair stations.  The instructions are not dated, so I am not sure which year this occurred.  If you see a 346 with a reverse unit that looks the same as a 21145 it is a conversion. Both the 346 complete with the correct tender with sound and the 21145 which in 1958 was the last of the 0-8-0 switchers are very valuable.                                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 8:44 PM   I saw a set #20460 with a 346 that had that same reverse unit. the engine was marked 346 but they listed the engine as being a 21145. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/9/2009 5:37:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. _http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55585	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video

A very "stately" train. Thanks. What do you use to activate the whistle and bell? Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Youtube Layout Video Hello All, I have posted my first video on Youtube of a freight train on my soon to be under construction layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmlxCgEGeo Let me know what you think! BG1 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.49/2293 - Release Date: 08/09/09 18:10:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55586	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video

Hi Dave, I use the American Models Sound Controller to activate the bell and whistle. I don't know if they are still available from American Models - I got mine from a group member. I am told the Lionel sound activation buttons work if you use two in series(?), but I understand they are diffiicult to find. If you want to try to build one, you can search the files archive for various messages related to "home made" sound controllers. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...> wrote: > > A very "stately" train. Thanks. What do you use to activate the whistle and > bell? > Dave in Maryland > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:26 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Youtube Layout Video > > Hello All, > > I have posted my first video on Youtube of a freight train on my soon to be > under construction layout: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmlxCgEGeo > > Let me know what you think! > > BG1 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.49/2293 - Release Date: 08/09/09 > 18:10:00 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55587	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 Hallmark Harley Davidson motorcycle ornament

Wondered into a Hallmark store yesterday to check out the 2009 Harley Davidson motorcycle ornaments. These seem pretty close to S scale. I was pleasantly surprised by their 11th offering. I have posted their image in the photos file. I think I need a few more. Best regards, Don PS I know last year's was pretty modern but this years is a 1942 model.... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1848601145/pic/list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55588	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@..._ (mailto:uvl97222@...) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@..._ (mailto:uvl97222@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. _http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55589	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

I asked him what made it  ***RARE***  He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM   I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. _http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55590	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

The 346 was made in 1955 not 56. I have a Type 4 342 which according to the books is worth less that a 346, but I have seen far less of these I know the Type 4 342 was only made in 1 or 2 production runs, and I'm willing to gamble is harder to find than a 346 Rich in Cleveland ________________________________ From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? I asked him what made it ***RARE*** He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. _http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55591	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: Summer, 2009 1:64MG Issue Update

Good evening, all. The Summer issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine has gone to the printer and should be out by the end of the month (I'm keeping my fingers crossed, because the printer just went through a merger and you know how those things can go). I'm appealing to those who've let their subscriptions lapse, or are due for renewal to take a moment and renew. I've sent out a couple of reminder letters over the past several months and I will be sending out postcard reminders again later this week, but I'd like to avoid the expense as much as I can, hence this electronic appeal (things have been very slow lately). Remember, you can also go on line to subscribe: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com You can also get a sneak peak at the cover and the Table of Contents by visiting the Website. I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55592	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2009
Subject: 346 Rare ??

What you all need to remember (or learn) is that AC Gilbert built toy trains. There are many instances where the train set noted a particular number on the Loco, but it came out different when you opened the box. This was particularly prevelent when new sets were introduced for Christmas time marketing. One example is the 21099 actually coming out of the box as a 293 with a two position reverse unit on the back of the motor, or the 21099 with a 4 [position reverse unit in the tender. As stated earlier I have seen 346s with both type of reverse units. There were probably 346 boilers left over from the 1955 run and it was expedient to use them as a 343 or a 21145. Kids just didn't care what the number on the loco was and Gilbert knew that. Steve Boise In a message dated 08/10/2009 6:08:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rfalzini@... writes: The 346 was made in 1955 not 56. I have a Type 4 342 which according to the books is worth less that a 346, but I have seen far less of these I know the Type 4 342 was only made in 1 or 2 production runs, and I'm willing to gamble is harder to find than a 346 Rich in Cleveland ________________________________ From: mike rosz <_mikenguy9@..._ (mailto:mikenguy9@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? I asked him what made it ***RARE*** He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. __http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) _ (_http://cgi.ebay._ (http://cgi.ebay./) /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55593	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: It's Alive!

Just like in Young Frankenstein, my AF by Lionel Track Gang is alive! I am not one for taking apart things and then getting them to work, but I figured, what the heck, I got nothing to lose. It seems the plunger needed a jump start. I touched a wire from the transformer to the plunger soldered wire and that got a spark and the plunger started to work. Was the plunger stuck? I don't know as I got no sounds at all. But it works now!! Save a trip to sending this out for another repair. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55594	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare on ebay???

Hi Rich,                          Read you email.  Please let me know what a Type 4 342 is.                                                          Thank You,                                                              Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:20 PM   The 346 was made in 1955 not 56. I have a Type 4 342 which according to the books is worth less that a 346, but I have seen far less of these I know the Type 4 342 was only made in 1 or 2 production runs, and I'm willing to gamble is harder to find than a 346 Rich in Cleveland ____________ _________ _________ __ From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? I asked him what made it ***RARE*** He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. _http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55595	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??

Well at least I had my Dates right 1955 not 56 in my email. Also as parts this was still a good buy.  Clayton OR --- On Mon, 8/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:30 PM   What you all need to remember (or learn) is that AC Gilbert built toy trains. There are many instances where the train set noted a particular number on the Loco, but it came out different when you opened the box. This was particularly prevelent when new sets were introduced for Christmas time marketing. One example is the 21099 actually coming out of the box as a 293 with a two position reverse unit on the back of the motor, or the 21099 with a 4 [position reverse unit in the tender. As stated earlier I have seen 346s with both type of reverse units. There were probably 346 boilers left over from the 1955 run and it was expedient to use them as a 343 or a 21145. Kids just didn't care what the number on the loco was and Gilbert knew that. Steve Boise In a message dated 08/10/2009 6:08:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rfalzini@yahoo. com writes: The 346 was made in 1955 not 56. I have a Type 4 342 which according to the books is worth less that a 346, but I have seen far less of these I know the Type 4 342 was only made in 1 or 2 production runs, and I'm willing to gamble is harder to find than a 346 Rich in Cleveland ____________ _________ _________ __ From: mike rosz <_mikenguy9@yahoo. mik_ (mailto:mikenguy9@yahoo. com) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? I asked him what made it ***RARE*** He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. __http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) _ (_http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55596	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: AF Lionel Track gang

I have a AF Lionel Track gang that I have not really used, since the layout is being built. Today, I did some work on the area where the track gang is. I had to disconnect it and then I reconnect. Now it does not do anything. Wiring is correct. Any ideas. Did something blow up in it. Is this repairable? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55597	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??

Hi Steve,                 You can find a 346 Switcher with the XA13B102 Reverse Unit and the conversion XA14C429 2 Step Reverse unit, because Gilbert issued  conversion instructions to the repair stations. Both would be original and of great value.  This 346 on ebay has an incorrect tender. If you look at a tender on a 342 1947 or 1948 that is the correct tender.  An original 346 has sound in the tender. There was no indication in this ebay description of that.  The only thing that would be "Rare" is the incorrect tender.  This 346 with this tender is for the operator not the collector unless you have the correct tender with it.  This tender or tender shell in this ebay auction is not correct for a 343, 346 or a 21145.  It's important for those collecting American Flyer to get what they pay for.  A 346 original in excellent condition is most likley worth $900 to $1100.  I looked at the selling price so the buyer did not pay a collector's price for the loco.                                                 Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:30 PM   What you all need to remember (or learn) is that AC Gilbert built toy trains. There are many instances where the train set noted a particular number on the Loco, but it came out different when you opened the box. This was particularly prevelent when new sets were introduced for Christmas time marketing. One example is the 21099 actually coming out of the box as a 293 with a two position reverse unit on the back of the motor, or the 21099 with a 4 [position reverse unit in the tender. As stated earlier I have seen 346s with both type of reverse units. There were probably 346 boilers left over from the 1955 run and it was expedient to use them as a 343 or a 21145. Kids just didn't care what the number on the loco was and Gilbert knew that. Steve Boise In a message dated 08/10/2009 6:08:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rfalzini@yahoo. com writes: The 346 was made in 1955 not 56. I have a Type 4 342 which according to the books is worth less that a 346, but I have seen far less of these I know the Type 4 342 was only made in 1 or 2 production runs, and I'm willing to gamble is harder to find than a 346 Rich in Cleveland ____________ _________ _________ __ From: mike rosz <_mikenguy9@yahoo. mik_ (mailto:mikenguy9@yahoo. com) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? I asked him what made it ***RARE*** He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. __http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) _ (_http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55598	From: beebear	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: PDF Magazines

I had emailed Bob Nabone, editor of the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine, to see if he offered a PDF version of his magazine. Unfortunately he doesn't. So I was just curious about the idea that if a magazine was offered to you as a download file, like a PDF, would you be willing to get it as a paid subscription? I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang

On break????? Jim In a message dated 8/11/2009 6:58:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I have a AF Lionel Track gang that I have not really used, since the layout is being built. Today, I did some work on the area where the track gang is. I had to disconnect it and then I reconnect. Now it does not do anything. Wiring is correct. Any ideas. Did something blow up in it. Is this repairable? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55600	From: michael prell	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang

When their union contract expires noone works! Sorry. Sometimes I just can't help it. Did you mistakingly turn the figure that disables the accessory?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Lionel Track gang To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:29 PM   I have a AF Lionel Track gang that I have not really used, since the layout is being built. Today, I did some work on the area where the track gang is. I had to disconnect it and then I reconnect. Now it does not do anything. Wiring is correct. Any ideas. Did something blow up in it. Is this repairable? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55601	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

John, There is an ezine or cyber mag or whatever you want to call it for model railroading. It is free to download but carries advertising. Apparently the ad rate is based on the number of downloads of subscribers. The first couple of months the number of downloads was staggering, according to the publisher. In recent months they say that they have had trouble getting people to download therefore advertisers must be getting restless. I am doing some reading between the lines here. Locally, the daily Kansas City Star is still a print version, for how long no one knows. But they also offer an online version for $5 a month and they have more combined readership than ever before. That, however, is an example of an already established publication that just switched gears. The link to the online model train magazine: model-railroad-hobbyist.com/ Roy Inman on 8/11/09 6:24 AM, beebear at beebear@... wrote: > > > > > I had emailed Bob Nabone, editor of the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine, to see > if he offered a PDF version > of his magazine. Unfortunately he doesn't. So I was just curious about the > idea that if a magazine was offered > to you as a download file, like a PDF, would you be willing to get it as a > paid subscription? > > I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject > > Thanks > > John Frankforther > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55602	From: michael prell	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!

Sometimes all they need is a good kick! <{;>)   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 8/10/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] It's Alive! To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:50 PM   Just like in Young Frankenstein, my AF by Lionel Track Gang is alive! I am not one for taking apart things and then getting them to work, but I figured, what the heck, I got nothing to lose. It seems the plunger needed a jump start. I touched a wire from the transformer to the plunger soldered wire and that got a spark and the plunger started to work. Was the plunger stuck? I don't know as I got no sounds at all. But it works now!! Save a trip to sending this out for another repair. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55603	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: 346 variations

The 346 is one of the few ACG locomotives to recieve a "recall." ACG admitted the 4 step motor mounted reverse unit was a problem, and notified their repair stations to change it out with the 2 step unit. Therefore, today you will find both units on them. It doesn't mean it left the factory with that unit, although it may have been sold new with that unit if the store knew the problem, and didn't want unhappy customers. This would be especially true with left-over sets that didn't sell. BTW, the 21145 does not have a sound unit in the tender. That was one of my big disappointments when I bought mine--until I finally heard what one sounds like! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55604	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!

Mike, Good to know that some new things can actually be tinkered with and repaired! It's always been my philosophy that almost anything can be fixed if you take your time. Like you say, what have you got to lose? It wasn't working before you took it apart, so how can it get any worse? Don't answer that one..... ;>) Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Just like in Young Frankenstein, my AF by Lionel Track Gang is alive! > > I am not one for taking apart things and then getting them to work, but I figured, what the heck, I got nothing to lose. > > It seems the plunger needed a jump start. > > I touched a wire from the transformer to the plunger soldered wire and that got a spark and the plunger started to work. > > Was the plunger stuck? I don't know as I got no sounds at all. > > But it works now!! > > Save a trip to sending this out for another repair. LOL > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55605	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Interestingly, there was a lot written about "e-zines" in June '09 NASG "Dispatch" (a print publication, ironically). I'm sure many members who belong to this group also belong to the NASG and saw Jeff Madden's editorial and the comments in the 'S' Rail Mail section. My contention is that the S modelers won't support an "e-zine" anymore than a print magazine. At best, the reader base will be split and advertisers won't know which publication to support, so they they'll support neither. And what about those who are not online, or choose not to get their information that way? Is it "too bad, Charlie, you will comply?" I keep hearing from folks how they hope the '1:64 Modeling Guide" really works out for me and, golly, how the scale really needs a quality publication. It's nice to have that emotional support, but in any business venture, the only support that counts comes from the wallet--even hobby-related businesses (online or otherwise), as "Model Railroad Hobbyist" is apparently finding out. There are always bills and they have to get paid somehow. Back to electronic world: Has anyone actually tried to paint along with Bob Ross or build a desk with Norm Abram real time? (You better not be watching Norm while playing around with a band saw!!). How many people that you know who cook are tossing their salad real time in the kitchen while watching Rachel Ray on the kitchen TV? You can't do it because they are going too fast. They have to, they only have 24 minutes to demonstrate some techniques. Could you build a craftsman kit while I explained it and showed you in an "e-zine" article? It first glance it seems like the answer would be an emphatic "YES!" but are you really going to have your laptop on your workbench, along with all the sawdust, solvents, adhesives, small parts and tools, etc.? I don't think so. I wouldn't risk it. OK, so perhaps you could print out the article and have it handy, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of going paperless? What if some of the key steps were part of a video? I won't bore the group with all the intricacies of adult learning theory and how long video segments should be, etc., etc. (I'm a certified course designer and a technical writer and a former systems trainer, so I know a little about this stuff). Suffice it to state that there's something to be said for sitting down with a print publication, taking your time to read it (even the ads, if there are any) and re-read it and letting it all sink in and thinking about what you read. I don't think electronic media offers the same experience--on purpose. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55606	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!

Hugo and Che have taken care of the problem, as that section of track they are working on never seems to be making any progress in repair work. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] It's Alive! Sometimes all they need is a good kick! <{;>) Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 8/10/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] It's Alive! To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:50 PM Just like in Young Frankenstein, my AF by Lionel Track Gang is alive! I am not one for taking apart things and then getting them to work, but I figured, what the heck, I got nothing to lose. It seems the plunger needed a jump start. I touched a wire from the transformer to the plunger soldered wire and that got a spark and the plunger started to work. Was the plunger stuck? I don't know as I got no sounds at all. But it works now!! Save a trip to sending this out for another repair. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55607	From: beebear	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Hi Roy I have subscribed to that magazine already. I think people flock to those types of downloads looking for something new maybe to see if it fits their needs or wants. I have went through all of my model railroad magazines and converted the articles I wanted over to electronic versions. I find I can save several years worth on a single cd-rom. If I need a hard copy I just print it out. I have gotten many computer and programming books this way. I just don't have the room to store the hard copy version of all the books I have collected in PDF format over the years. I guess since Bob was trying to expand his past and future readers group to help grow his business, I would think he consider testing the option of using this electronic distribution to do so ....... or not per his discretion. I did create a training manual some years ago for work and just to print the 25 pages in house was going to cost about $5.00 per manual. But I created the same manual , in color with extra information and a couple of included slide shows and it cost 25 cents each for the cd-rom to put it on. The company chose the cd. Any way.... I was wondering in general ... would you prefer to get a hard copy or an electronic copy of a magazine publication in general? I would think it would be cheaper to send a link to download a PDF file for a reduced rate for the subscription. Just my thoughts...... your milage may very .... see dealer for details John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55608	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos

List; For those interested in S-gauge DCC, and SHS DCC conversions, here are 4 new video clips of my F3 under LokSound DCC, v3.5 standard. Audio is my latest sound project, from LIVE recordings, loaded to a standard size LS v3.5 16mb decoder. The sound from the clip is treble biased due to the camcorder mic, but it is pretty close to the actual sound, you can actually hear more "bark" from it that the audio in the clip misses. Bill Clark, as you can see, the bulb is still doing fine, no resistor, just the LS dimmer set at 10. I added the LED class lights a few months ago, not standard on the F3. (resistors mandatory for LED's) Can anybody guess the prime mover? It is EMD 567, but sadly, not a 16-567, very hard to get a recording session with one of those. (anybody out there got any pull with an owner?)(I've been trying to get the attention of a local excursion train with a GP7, so far not much luck) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fku-mnu3ww http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isnbAHdWh0E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLkRaha9R8c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZSWNE0g2FY Speaker is a Bass Reflex from Railmaster Hobbies. Thought you might like a look / listen. cheers phil d ps - this will be cross posted on a couple other groups

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55609	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang

That will be the last break they ever get when working on the D&K RR. Thank goodness their relatives did not work on the transcontinental RR in the 1860's or it never would of been completed. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Lionel Track gang On break????? Jim In a message dated 8/11/2009 6:58:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I have a AF Lionel Track gang that I have not really used, since the layout is being built. Today, I did some work on the area where the track gang is. I had to disconnect it and then I reconnect. Now it does not do anything. Wiring is correct. Any ideas. Did something blow up in it. Is this repairable? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55610	From: Ed	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

No way. I sit in front of a monitor too much as it is. I would rather take a magazine and sit in a comfortable chair to read it. I receive news letters that I print out for the same reason. Why waste my time, ink and paper for a colored magazine that is already bound and produced with quality paper. I read my magazines many times, probably more than 95% of you do. I also have some stashed in the porcelan throne room to get away from the computer. Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of beebear Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:25 AM To: S-group Subject: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines I had emailed Bob Nabone, editor of the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine, to see if he offered a PDF version of his magazine. Unfortunately he doesn't. So I was just curious about the idea that if a magazine was offered to you as a download file, like a PDF, would you be willing to get it as a paid subscription? I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55611	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos

Dear Phil, We are now using the QSI revolution U on all of our F unit installations. This is the 4th version of DCC sound that have been installed in our F units since 2000. The QSI allows us to keep our 8 ohm speakers as well as enough functions for all the lights (5 on F7 with mars light). Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55612	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Ed wrote: > No way. I sit in front of a monitor too much as it is. I would rather take a > magazine and sit in a comfortable chair to read it. I receive news letters > that I print out for the same reason. Why waste my time, ink and paper for a > colored magazine that is already bound and produced with quality paper. I > read my magazines many times, probably more than 95% of you do. I also have > some stashed in the porcelian throne room to get away from the computer. For decades I worked as a telecom specialist for a large health care company. On one occasion we contracted for some "factory support" for a major upgrade. One of their techs asked me for the CD-Rom of tech manuals. After his staring at a screen for 30 minutes, I finally asked what he was looking for. I then walked over to the bookshelf, grabbed the appropriate manual, turned to the page he was seeking, and laid it in his lap. The joke at the company was that no one ever read the tech manuals, they just called me because they said I had them all memorized! Actually, I just find it easier to work with a print version of any manual. That's probably one of the reasons I don't buy into the down loadable magazine format. It works for some situations but staring at a computer screen to read your favorite magazine for entertainment just seems to be a solution looking for a problem to solve. And no, I'm not a Luddite. I teach computer science classes at the local community college. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55613	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Hmmmmm.... That is a good question: Would I prefer a hard copy of a magazine or an electronic version? For me, I prefer a hard copy. I find it kind of difficult for whatever reason to stare at a backlit screen reading for even several minutes. Then too, in my business I have some slack time between assignments and I never know when that time may occur. So I always carry along along a few copies of my favorite magazines to read while I wait. For a traditional reader such as myself, there is something comforting about snuggling into my favorite chair with a good magazine or book and actually turning the pages. It is easy to go forward or back, more quickly than I can online. Then there is the primate thing. While on assignment at the Kansas City Zoo years ago with Jan Armstrong I had a very interesting conversation. She was known as the ³Zoo mother² because she kept baby animals in her home before they were ready to become exhibits. That was long before the zoo had a dedicated baby animal care facility. She told me that when bringing a baby primate such as a gorilla or chimp on a plane that a seat had to be purchased for the animal. That was because infant primates need continual physical touching to keep them from panicking and in some cases, even dying. She said that instinct continues into adulthood, to a lesser degree, but physical contact is still necessary. We are primates as well and require tactile experience (such as playing with trains for example). IMHO, we lose something when we devote more and more of our time to 2D experiences such as television and what I am doing right now. So bye :) Roy Inman on 8/11/09 10:18 AM, beebear at beebear@... wrote: > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55614	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??

Hi Clay,                  You are correct.  It was a good parts buy.  If you have the correct tender, you could make a collectible out of it.                                             Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/10/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 10:58 PM   Well at least I had my Dates right 1955 not 56 in my email. Also as parts this was still a good buy. Clayton OR --- On Mon, 8/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:30 PM What you all need to remember (or learn) is that AC Gilbert built toy trains. There are many instances where the train set noted a particular number on the Loco, but it came out different when you opened the box. This was particularly prevelent when new sets were introduced for Christmas time marketing. One example is the 21099 actually coming out of the box as a 293 with a two position reverse unit on the back of the motor, or the 21099 with a 4 [position reverse unit in the tender. As stated earlier I have seen 346s with both type of reverse units. There were probably 346 boilers left over from the 1955 run and it was expedient to use them as a 343 or a 21145. Kids just didn't care what the number on the loco was and Gilbert knew that. Steve Boise In a message dated 08/10/2009 6:08:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rfalzini@yahoo. com writes: The 346 was made in 1955 not 56. I have a Type 4 342 which according to the books is worth less that a 346, but I have seen far less of these I know the Type 4 342 was only made in 1 or 2 production runs, and I'm willing to gamble is harder to find than a 346 Rich in Cleveland ____________ _________ _________ __ From: mike rosz <_mikenguy9@ yahoo. mik_ (mailto:mikenguy9@ yahoo. com) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? I asked him what made it ***RARE*** He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. __http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) _ (_http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55615	From: william cole	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

hard copy...there is no computer screen in the rooms where I read.....and I don't want to be tethered to the computer room all the time..... now pdf for back issues would be a great idea !!!   which could get rid of ads, and allow for articles only..... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55616	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

We all have our preferences and more power to us :) But I personally like looking at the ads. Can¹t count the times I have checked an issue of whatever magazine to see the color, price, etc. of an item. They aren¹t all online and sometimes it¹s just faster to skim the pages. Roy Inman on 8/11/09 12:36 PM, william cole at billcwithonec@... wrote: > > > > > hard copy...there is no computer screen in the rooms where I read.....and I > don't want to be tethered to the computer room all the time..... > > now pdf for back issues would be a great idea !!! >   > which could get rid of ads, and allow for articles only..... > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:LOandS%40yahoogroups.com> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ŒŒFlexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¹¹ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55617	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

I do get several "Newsletters'" on PDF, most likely they would be disposed of soon after reading, saves paper & postage. "Save a tree, eat a beaver", altho ya gotta know how to prepare them. Not ready for mags on PDF yet. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55618	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: It's Alive!

Jerry, Thanks. I have no idea what caused to start working again, as there is not much inside this thing. Two diodes some wire and the electric coil with the plunger. The only thing that could really go bad, is a burnt out diode. I say that taking apart things and what do I have to loose, partially in fun, as I always make something wrong allot worse. In this case, that did not happen. Funny thing about the accessory. I got this for 70 dollars when it came out. You can still buy these, but many are selling them for 100 to 180. Someone in time will buy the 180 one. I just hope it is not me any time soon. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: It's Alive! Mike, Good to know that some new things can actually be tinkered with and repaired! It's always been my philosophy that almost anything can be fixed if you take your time. Like you say, what have you got to lose? It wasn't working before you took it apart, so how can it get any worse? Don't answer that one..... ;>) Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Just like in Young Frankenstein, my AF by Lionel Track Gang is alive! > > I am not one for taking apart things and then getting them to work, but I figured, what the heck, I got nothing to lose. > > It seems the plunger needed a jump start. > > I touched a wire from the transformer to the plunger soldered wire and that got a spark and the plunger started to work. > > Was the plunger stuck? I don't know as I got no sounds at all. > > But it works now!! > > Save a trip to sending this out for another repair. LOL > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55619	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang

Mike- Check the right-most "man." He is activates a switch and when turned will turn the accessory on and off. Perhaps you moved him? Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55620	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos

Hi Don; Why not post some video so folks can compare? I too have 5 functions on my F7 with LS, I think the installation photos are on this site,,, ?? can't recall. Did you check the video clip links? cheers p --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Phil, > We are now using the QSI revolution U on all of our F unit > installations. This is the 4th version of DCC sound that have been > installed in our F units since 2000. The QSI allows us to keep our 8 > ohm speakers as well as enough functions for all the lights (5 on F7 > with mars light). > Best, > Don >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55621	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??

Tom, I sure made a few people worked up over very little. I just want to know more about the 346 that were made.    I stopped picking up the yearly $45.00 books that seem to have come out year after year from Kalmbach that may have helped me. I would put that money in to trains, and or parts, and so they lost me at $75.00 + for each book. They do put out some fine books. I just can't see paying that for them. I will see if I have that service note some where on the 346 some where in my papers.  Clayton OR  --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:41 AM   Hi Clay,                  You are correct.  It was a good parts buy.  If you have the correct tender, you could make a collectible out of it.                                             Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/10/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 10:58 PM   Well at least I had my Dates right 1955 not 56 in my email. Also as parts this was still a good buy. Clayton OR --- On Mon, 8/10/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:30 PM What you all need to remember (or learn) is that AC Gilbert built toy trains. There are many instances where the train set noted a particular number on the Loco, but it came out different when you opened the box. This was particularly prevelent when new sets were introduced for Christmas time marketing. One example is the 21099 actually coming out of the box as a 293 with a two position reverse unit on the back of the motor, or the 21099 with a 4 [position reverse unit in the tender. As stated earlier I have seen 346s with both type of reverse units. There were probably 346 boilers left over from the 1955 run and it was expedient to use them as a 343 or a 21145. Kids just didn't care what the number on the loco was and Gilbert knew that. Steve Boise In a message dated 08/10/2009 6:08:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rfalzini@yahoo. com writes: The 346 was made in 1955 not 56. I have a Type 4 342 which according to the books is worth less that a 346, but I have seen far less of these I know the Type 4 342 was only made in 1 or 2 production runs, and I'm willing to gamble is harder to find than a 346 Rich in Cleveland ____________ _________ _________ __ From: mike rosz <_mikenguy9@ yahoo. mik_ (mailto:mikenguy9@ yahoo. com) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? I asked him what made it ***RARE*** He said, "It was only made in 1956." --- On Mon, 8/10/09, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM I have seen 346s with both type reverse units. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/09/2009 6:38:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: I took a look at this 346 on ebay. Buyer Beware. The tender lettering is from 1947 - 1948. The seller does not describe a sound unit in the tender. The 346 is the only 0-8-0 switcher with sound. If it was complete with the sound unit in the tender it would be a lot. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 8/9/09, uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > wrote: From: uvl97222 <_uvl97222@yahoo. uvl_ (mailto:uvl97222@ yahoo. com) > Subject: [S-Trains] 346 Rare on ebay??? To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:10 PM Here is a link to a 346 but it has rare next to it.. __http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) _ (_http://cgi.ebay _ (http://cgi.ebay /) /) com/AMERICAN- FLYER-346- SWITCHER- RARE_W0QQitemZ20 0369673849QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMod el_RR_Trains? hash=item2ea6f69 679&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14#ht_500wt_ 924 In looking at the photos. I see the newer E unit to the rear of the cab hanging down. The 346 that I repaired was with the four position E unit on the back side of the cab. The real one was made in 1955 only. The train was a nightmare to work on. This switcher was the only one to ever have the whistle in the tender. Was there a 346 with the two position E unit made also in 1955? I can't fined that two position one in my book, but I do find it on the 343 had the two types. Clayton OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55622	From: beebear	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: PDF magazine

First off to Bob..... Please except my apology if I have offended you in not offering your magazine in PDF format. I was only inquiring and to see what others thought of the idea. I will make an assumption here about the group in that a fair portion is in the 50 year old age group or above. Forgive me if I am wrong there. I can see from the replies that most would prefer a hard copy but an electronic copy of back issues might be wanted. It was not my intent to force anyone in getting their material in PDF format only, but to see if there was enough interest to make it worth while to pursue. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55623	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track gang

Hi Ben, No, the man did not get turn. But it is on the layout and working fine now. Thanks for the help. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben and Lynn Stiles To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Lionel Track gang Mike- Check the right-most "man." He is activates a switch and when turned will turn the accessory on and off. Perhaps you moved him? Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55624	From: lember2004	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: 4-wire controller button purpose?

One of my Unloading Car controller buttons [for a 715 or 915 Gilbert flat that unloads a vehicle]has four wires [2 yellow & 2 black]; the other controller buttons I have for this operating car have the usual places for two wires [yellow & black]. What is the reason for/purpose of the extra wires? Thanks for your help. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55625	From: lember2004	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: 2010 Flyer Fest West dates?

Hello all; to aid some advanced planning, does anyone know the date [and location] of 2010 Flyer Fest West next Spring? Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55626	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: 346 Rare ??

Hi Clay,                email me your address and I'll send you a copy.                                                  Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 8/11/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:58 PM Tom, I sure made a few people worked up over very little. I just want to know more about the 346 that were made. I stopped picking up the yearly $45.00 books that seem to have come out year after year from Kalmbach that may have helped me. I would put that money in to trains, and or parts, and so they lost me at $75.00 + for each book. They do put out some fine books. I just can't see paying that for them. I will see if I have that service note some where on the 346 some where in my papers. Clayton OR --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 346 Rare ?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:41 AM Hi Clay, You are correct. It was a good parts buy. If you have the correct tender, you could make a collectible out of it. Tom Seccia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55627	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF magazine

Please, no offense taken! To the contrary, it is an interesting discussion and one that publishers large and small all over the country are grappling with. Books are not immune, either. About the 50 and over group, a funny story that happened to me at the National Train Show. I introduced myself to Ron Sebastian and we chatted a bit. At one point he said to me: "You're awfully young to be in S scale." I replied: "I'm 50 years old!" "You're awfully young to be in S scale," he retorted. And there, I think, is something we need to think about. Bob Nalbone ________________________________ From: beebear <beebear@...> To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:36:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PDF magazine First off to Bob..... Please except my apology if I have offended you in not offering your magazine in PDF format. I was only inquiring and to see what others thought of the idea. I will make an assumption here about the group in that a fair portion is in the 50 year old age group or above. Forgive me if I am wrong there. I can see from the replies that most would prefer a hard copy but an electronic copy of back issues might be wanted. It was not my intent to force anyone in getting their material in PDF format only, but to see if there was enough interest to make it worth while to pursue. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55628	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Curved turnouts

Does anyone make curved S gauge turnouts? Ideal would be some that match the height of the rail of American Models or S Helper track. I realize that they would probably have to come from a custom builder. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. I E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.13020 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55629	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/11/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Hmm...I kinda like that idea. Bob Nalbone ________________________________ From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:36:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines hard copy...there is no computer screen in the rooms where I read.....and I don't want to be tethered to the computer room all the time..... now pdf for back issues would be a great idea !!! which could get rid of ads, and allow for articles only...... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups. com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence. " - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55630	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: SHS F3 w LokSound, new videos

Hi Phil, Mike Greene, tommy Robichaud, and I did a clinic at the last SHS open house, on DCC sound in the SHS F3/F7. We had Tsunami, LokSound 3,5, MRC, and QSI decoders installed in F units, and demo'd them and compared them. It was very interesting for us to do the research, but it was difficult to get a definitive answer. A major issue with LokSound was the speaker, as we couldn't use the F unit factory installed 8 ohm speaker. If we installed a better speaker for the LS installation (as you did) then we would need a better speaker for the Tsunami, MRC and QSI to make a fair comparison. But that might disappoint a customer who ordered an F7 with a Tsunami or QSI, because it would have the standard speaker. The big advantages to QSI in an SHS F7 at this time (IMHO): 1. 8 ohm speaker (can use standard F7 speaker). 2. 6 light ports (F7 needs 5, I added a cab light to use the 6th). LS, MRC and Tsunami all have 4 light ports. 3. Has a 5v supply which can run the F unit 6 v bulbs directly, with no resistors. 4. The QSI is rated for 1.3A continuos, 2A stall. This gives us some headroom over the 1A decoders, and in fact allows running 2 F units off one decoder using the MU cables. Phil, you mentioned that you are running the 6v bulbs off the LS directly without resistors, using dimming. The LS manual doesn't recommend that, because dimming is done by PWM. Thus the full voltage (track voltage - 1.5v) is applied for short periods. That will greatly decrease the bulb life. Also, for SHS selling to customers, using software dimming would not work because the customer would likely reset the decoder to defaults at some point, thus burning out the bulbs. At the National Train Show we talked to the owner of LokSound, and he has a new decoder which should be available this fall. It will use 8 ohm speakers, has more memory, and is less expensive! I'll be anxious to test one! All this makes it a great time to be in S scale! You are doing great works with your installs, and I think it is great that you are willing to share what you have done! This email is not meant as a criticism or rebuttal to your postings in any way. I'm just trying to give some insight on the choices being made by Don. Thanks! Bill At 06:29 PM 8/11/2009, Phil Dunlop wrote: > > >Hi Don; > >Why not post some video so folks can compare? I too have 5 functions >on my F7 with LS, I think the installation photos are on this >site,,, ?? can't recall. > >Did you check the video clip links? > >cheers >p > >--- In <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, >Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Phil, > > We are now using the QSI revolution U on all of our F unit > > installations. This is the 4th version of DCC sound that have been > > installed in our F units since 2000. The QSI allows us to keep our 8 > > ohm speakers as well as enough functions for all the lights (5 on F7 > > with mars light). > > Best, > > Don > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55631	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?

Mark, The four wire controller was for the early log unloader car #717, and the '46 & '47 #716 side dump car that had the center pick-up shoe and special center rail track section. I can't find my wiring diagram but I am sure someone in the group can furnish that info. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: lember2004@... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:30:29 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? One of my Unloading Car controller buttons [for a 715 or 915 Gilbert flat that unloads a vehicle]has four wires [2 yellow & 2 black]; the other controller buttons I have for this operating car have the usual places for two wires [yellow & black]. What is the reason for/purpose of the extra wires? Thanks for your help. Mark _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55632	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?

Hi Mark,                   The 4-wire control buttons are for DC operation.  You can use these for AC operation by using one of each wire or combining each of the colors and make one wire of each. One wire would go from the control button to the 15 volt post on the transformer and the other wire would go from the control button to the pick up rail on the track.  You will find these control buttons from 1947 to 1949. These were also used in later years for American Flyer HO.                                   Tom Seccia                                                              --- On Tue, 8/11/09, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 11:30 PM   One of my Unloading Car controller buttons [for a 715 or 915 Gilbert flat that unloads a vehicle]has four wires [2 yellow & 2 black]; the other controller buttons I have for this operating car have the usual places for two wires [yellow & black]. What is the reason for/purpose of the extra wires? Thanks for your help. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55633	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: PDF Magazines

I'm an old fashion type of guy that reads books and magazines mostly. However, I also buy CDs with books on them. It is less conveniant for me to read at the computer instead of my comfortable old chair, but I find myself on the computer more and more anyway. So both formats have their place. Still, you don't hear anyone saying they "curled up in bed with a good computer." And a magazine or book is more conveniant at the work bench. (Especially if it opens flat...why don't ALL how-to books come with ring binding?) On a related subject...Remember how we were told that once everyone had a home computer, the use of paper would decline to almost nothing? Well, I'm afraid that didn't happen! Everyone I know uses more paper now than they ever did! Why? Because like videotapes (another device we were promised was great), the electronics are not trustworthy for long term storage of anything, so they print a lot of stuff out. How much information have YOU lost on a computer over the years? One wrong "click" and it's gone! Hence, important stuff gets printed out. Today's kids are growing up being marketed to buy all kinds of electronics. They know nothing of history or hand built quality, and don't care. There is a real possibility that toy trains and print will die with us. Even so, while print media is under attack I think it is much too soon to write the obituary! Stumpy Stone...still raining in sub-tropical...Appalachia!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55634	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: Curved turnouts

Hi Mike,   ===== Does anyone make curved S gauge turnouts? Ideal would be some that match the height of the rail of American Models or S Helper track. I realize that they would probably have to come from a custom builder. Mike Vana  Omaha, NE. =====   I have built a lot of custom switches for my layout. Hand-laying switches is not very difficult if you take your time. I have a bad addiction to large steam power, especially PRR steam. I own a Q2, 4-4-6-4 rigid frame (non-articulated) loco. Most manufacturers of commercial switches do not make switches to accomodate this big girl. In HO scale, it requires a minimum 34" radius curve. In one location, I built a curved switch with a 44" outside radius and a 40" inside radius. It measured almost 3 feet long. I built the switch in place using a template made by laying down flex track and applying a piece of brown wrapping paper over each leg while I traced over the top with a piece of pencil lead.   Although I model in HO scale as well as American Flyer, the principals are the same. You need the ties, rail, spikes, an NMRA track guage, a good sharp file, a soldering device, and some time. I use a resistance soldering unit now but I built a lot of switches with my soldering pencil. For S-Scale, the rail is heavier so a little more heat is needed.   A company call Fast-Tracks, http://www.handlaidtrack.com/index-2.php, sells some very nice switch-laying jigs for almost any size switch you could want. Initially they are a bit pricey, but if you need several custom switches, they will pay for themselves. I have a few of their jigs and I have hand-laid a #8 Double cross-over that works like a solid piece of rail. I have given clinics at hobby shops showing how to use the tools and there is a great instructional video on the website. They will even send a CD to you with all of the instructions and printable templates for FREE.   If you want to discuss this in greater detail, contact me off-list.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55635	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF magazine

But on the other hand, if you are 50, then you may have 20-30 years of potential modeling years ahead of you. That's a lotta years to read, model and spend money on the hobby. Jeff Madden To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: bobnalbone04@... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:25:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF magazine Please, no offense taken! To the contrary, it is an interesting discussion and one that publishers large and small all over the country are grappling with. Books are not immune, either. About the 50 and over group, a funny story that happened to me at the National Train Show. I introduced myself to Ron Sebastian and we chatted a bit. At one point he said to me: "You're awfully young to be in S scale." I replied: "I'm 50 years old!" "You're awfully young to be in S scale," he retorted. And there, I think, is something we need to think about. Bob Nalbone ________________________________ From: beebear <beebear@...> To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:36:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PDF magazine First off to Bob..... Please except my apology if I have offended you in not offering your magazine in PDF format. I was only inquiring and to see what others thought of the idea. I will make an assumption here about the group in that a fair portion is in the 50 year old age group or above. Forgive me if I am wrong there. I can see from the replies that most would prefer a hard copy but an electronic copy of back issues might be wanted. It was not my intent to force anyone in getting their material in PDF format only, but to see if there was enough interest to make it worth while to pursue. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55636	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

I want the entire magazine on pdf.  I look at the ads for many reasons. The magazine is not whole without them. ________________________________ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:02:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines   We all have our preferences and more power to us :) But I personally like looking at the ads. Can¹t count the times I have checked an issue of whatever magazine to see the color, price, etc. of an item. They aren¹t all online and sometimes it¹s just faster to skim the pages. Roy Inman on 8/11/09 12:36 PM, william cole at billcwithonec@ yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > hard copy...there is no computer screen in the rooms where I read.....and I > don't want to be tethered to the computer room all the time..... > > now pdf for back issues would be a great idea !!! >   > which could get rid of ads, and allow for articles only..... > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups. com <mailto:LOandS% 40yahoogroups. com> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider: > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence. " - V > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ŒŒFlexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¹¹ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55637	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?

So how do you hook them up for DC operation? --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:55 AM   Hi Mark,                   The 4-wire control buttons are for DC operation.  You can use these for AC operation by using one of each wire or combining each of the colors and make one wire of each. One wire would go from the control button to the 15 volt post on the transformer and the other wire would go from the control button to the pick up rail on the track.  You will find these control buttons from 1947 to 1949. These were also used in later years for American Flyer HO.                                   Tom Seccia                                                              --- On Tue, 8/11/09, lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. com> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 11:30 PM   One of my Unloading Car controller buttons [for a 715 or 915 Gilbert flat that unloads a vehicle]has four wires [2 yellow & 2 black]; the other controller buttons I have for this operating car have the usual places for two wires [yellow & black]. What is the reason for/purpose of the extra wires? Thanks for your help. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55638	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?

Hope it helps...    Vin                 ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:50:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose?   So how do you hook them up for DC operation? --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:55 AM   Hi Mark,                   The 4-wire control buttons are for DC operation.  You can use these for AC operation by using one of each wire or combining each of the colors and make one wire of each. One wire would go from the control button to the 15 volt post on the transformer and the other wire would go from the control button to the pick up rail on the track.  You will find these control buttons from 1947 to 1949. These were also used in later years for American Flyer HO.                                   Tom Seccia                                                              --- On Tue, 8/11/09, lember2004 <lember2004@ yahoo. com> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@ yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 11:30 PM   One of my Unloading Car controller buttons [for a 715 or 915 Gilbert flat that unloads a vehicle]has four wires [2 yellow & 2 black]; the other controller buttons I have for this operating car have the usual places for two wires [yellow & black]. What is the reason for/purpose of the extra wires? Thanks for your help. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55639	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: Photos in e-mails

I like getting photo attachments. We do this in my other groups and I have seen many train photos I would not have seen other wise. John Metzger ________________________________ From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:39:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Photos in e-mails   In the past, we weren't able to attach photos to our e-mails to this group. Either it wasn't set-up that way, or it couldn't be done. I'm on a Class of '73 (my high school) group at Yahoo and we can attach photos. Any interest in doing it here? Is it just a matter of setting it up that way? I have done it on the other group and have received some e-mails with photos. A small thumbnail photo shows, then ya click on it. Pretty cool IMHO. What do ya all think? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55640	From: barb	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4561

Bull, Nice looking and running train on your YouTube video. Get started on your layout and keep the pics and vidoes coming. Happy railroading.... Barb -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Aug 5, 2009 5:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4561 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) 1. AM Smooth sided Pass Set - NP-NORTH COAST DAYLIGHT - pre conv offer From: tennsgauge@... 2a. Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" From: Alan Evans 3. Flyonel Heavhyweight Pass Cars - UP and Pennsy - Pre-convention Pr From: tennsgauge@... 4a. FW: S scale From: Rashied Jibri 4b. Re: FW: S scale m(Downtown deco) From: william cole 5. Re: SHS commercialism, this week at SHS... From: Don Thompson View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1. AM Smooth sided Pass Set - NP-NORTH COAST DAYLIGHT - pre conv offer Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:56 am (PDT) I will be offering a 5 car NP set from American Models for sale at my dealer table at the NASG Convention in Saint Louis. If anyone buys it prior to my leaving for the convention mid-day on Wednesday, they get free shipping and insurance. I prefer payment by cashiers check. This message is much more readable on _AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com) than on the _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) or _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) versions which contort and distort the paragraphs. (Moderators, I hope you will do something about this). ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ AMERICAN MODELS - SCALE LENGTH PASSENGER CARS: “NORTHERN PACIFIC (a la NORTH COAST LIMITED!)” These smooth sided lightweight cars were made by American Models, but they are no longer in stock. If you think the Flyonel NP set is beautiful, you should see these cars. The graphics are outstanding. This is truly an exceptional set. The cars are assembled with windows, SHS kadee-style couplers, interior lighting in all cars, and streamlined trucks that American Models uses on their shorter Budd passenger cars. These cars come with high rail wheels but they can easily be changed to scale wheels. (you do the changing). The asking price for this 5 car set is $650.. (1) Baggage Car - One window is loose. (2) Coach - One window is loose. (3) Sleeper - one coupler is broken and will need to be replaced. (4) Vista-Dome Car (5) Observation Car The purchaser of this set will probably want to purchase an FP7A-F7B-FP7A set from American Models. I have a set that I purchased from the seller of the cars but the diesels are not equal in condition to the passenger cars, which are exceptional. However, I will offer them for $150 to the buyer of the passenger cars, otherwise the price is $200. The overall paint condition is OK. FP7 6600A is missing left rear steps, window inserts, and the number boards are messed up. F7B6704 is missing one end step, and another step is loose, both couplers are broken, and one round window pane is missing. FP7 6601A is missing both number boards and some windows, one coupler is broken, One of the A units is operational but I am unsure about he other two. Hopefully I will be able to test the locos before I leave for Saint Louis, mid-day Wednesday. Earl Henry, Jr. 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 615-298-4502 cell 615/545-6115 _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 2a. Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" Posted by: "Alan Evans" alan@... alanstrains Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:56 am (PDT) Steve, Consider it done. May see you at S Fest. - Alan _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lunde Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" Alan, Could you hold one for me at the convention. I won't make it but I told Jeff Madden to pick it up for me. Thanks, Steve Lunde [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 3. Flyonel Heavhyweight Pass Cars - UP and Pennsy - Pre-convention Pr Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:22 am (PDT) This message is much more readable on _AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com) than on _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) which contort and distort the paragraphs. (Moderators, I hope you will do something about this). ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ FLYONEL HEAVYWEIGHT CARS - UNION PACIFIC AND PENNSYLVANIA I will b offering for sale some Flyonel Heavyweight passenger cars at my dealer tables at the NASG Convention in Saint Louis. I have not priced them yet. I will consider offers made by email up until I leave for the convention mid-day Wednesday. I prefer payment by cashiers check. I will offer free shipping and insurance if anyone makes an offer I accept prior to my leaving for the convention. A description of the cars is below. AF UP HEAVYWEIGHT 4-PACK - 6-48978 Combo ‘5916’ Coach ‘405’ Diner ‘3617’ Observation ‘106’ And AF UP HEAVYWEIGHT COACH - 6-48980 Coach ‘405’ (free shipping not offered on individual cars) The UP cars are like new in original boxes. Tbey have been operated briefly a couple of times. ============================================ AF PENNSYLVANIA HEAVYWEIGHT 4-PACK - 6-48992 Combo ‘INDIAN ROCK’ Coach ‘ANDREW CARNEGIE’ Diner ‘SALMON B. CHASE’ Observation ‘SKYLINE VIEW’ Also two individual cars for sale: (free shipping not offered on individual cars) Diner ‘SALMON B. CHASE’ 6-49907 Observation ‘SKYLINE VIEW’ 6-49908 The Pennsylvania cars are like new in original boxes. Tbey have been operated briefly a couple of times. Earl Henry, Jr. 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 615-298-4502 cell 615/545-6115 _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ____________________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4a. FW: S scale Posted by: "Rashied Jibri" Rjibri@... rashied_jibri Tue Aug 4, 2009 11:49 am (PDT) In the July/August S Gaugian, S Briefs section, there's a paragraph about Downtown Deco's vain attempt at generating interest is a S Scale structure kit. The kit that was offered was a 3-story factory. I emailed Downtown Deco and suggested that there may be a better response if he tried a smaller kit. Read his reply below. I know the S Scale market is small and dwindling, but when a vendor makes offer perhaps we should make an effort to support it so we can hold on to what we got. If anyone is interested, I suggest going to the Downtown Deco website and look at the kits in other scales like the Addams St. series. If there is enough interest in a particular kit we can then approach Dowtown Deco about a S Scale project. Rashied From: downtowndeco@... To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:46:00 -0600 OK, thanks. What I'm saying it seems no matter what I propose to do in S Scale there is never an agreement. It's always too big or too small or too east coast too west coast too old too new etc. I'd like to do an S Scale kit, but no one can seem to agree on what it is they'd like to buy. : ) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@... Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: RE: S scale Maybe you did not understand me. I am aware the there was a lack of interest for the S scale 3-story building project. I am suggesting that a smaller kit may have better success if you were to try it again. From: downtowndeco@... To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:43:57 -0600 Hi Rashied, The S Scale project has been halted because of a lack of interest. THanks much. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@... Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: S scale In the current S Gauguain magazine it is mentioned that you were testing the waters of the S scale market back in March. The kit you offered was a three story factory. I know this kit is too large for my layout. Also, club traveling modular layouts are becoming more popular and large structures are not always practical. Perhaps there will be a better S scale response if a smaller kit was offered, such as one of the Addams St kits or even the Hamburger Stand. I will be happy to assist in promoting Downtown Deco S scale kits. Rashied Jibri Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. __________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 4b. Re: FW: S scale m(Downtown deco) Posted by: "william cole" billcwithonec@... billcwithonec Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:26 pm (PDT) If Downtown Deco were to do an S building.... my vote in order of my preference: Horowitz Garment Company Triangle Fruit Company Shipping Warehouse Flat Addams Avenue Part 5 Addams Avenue Part 3 Angels Flight Motel Skid Rown Part 2 Trackside Tavern hope 99 others can agree on one or 2 of these..... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Rashied Jibri <Rjibri@...> wrote: From: Rashied Jibri <Rjibri@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FW: S scale To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 2:36 PM In the July/August S Gaugian, S Briefs section, there's a paragraph about Downtown Deco's vain attempt at generating interest is a S Scale structure kit. The kit that was offered was a 3-story factory. I emailed Downtown Deco and suggested that there may be a better response if he tried a smaller kit. Read his reply below. I know the S Scale market is small and dwindling, but when a vendor makes offer perhaps we should make an effort to support it so we can hold on to what we got. If anyone is interested, I suggest going to the Downtown Deco website and look at the kits in other scales like the Addams St. series. If there is enough interest in a particular kit we can then approach Dowtown Deco about a S Scale project. Rashied From: downtowndeco@ montana.com To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:46:00 -0600 OK, thanks. What I'm saying it seems no matter what I propose to do in S Scale there is never an agreement. It's always too big or too small or too east coast too west coast too old too new etc. I'd like to do an S Scale kit, but no one can seem to agree on what it is they'd like to buy. : ) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@ montana.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: RE: S scale Maybe you did not understand me. I am aware the there was a lack of interest for the S scale 3-story building project. I am suggesting that a smaller kit may have better success if you were to try it again. From: downtowndeco@ montana.com To: rjibri@... Subject: Re: S scale Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:43:57 -0600 Hi Rashied, The S Scale project has been halted because of a lack of interest. THanks much. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rashied Jibri To: downtowndeco@ montana.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: S scale In the current S Gauguain magazine it is mentioned that you were testing the waters of the S scale market back in March. The kit you offered was a three story factory. I know this kit is too large for my layout. Also, club traveling modular layouts are becoming more popular and large structures are not always practical. Perhaps there will be a better S scale response if a smaller kit was offered, such as one of the Addams St kits or even the Hamburger Stand. I will be happy to assist in promoting Downtown Deco S scale kits. Rashied Jibri Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowslivef ormobile. com/en-us/ photos/default. aspx?&OCID= 0809TL-HM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 5. Re: SHS commercialism, this week at SHS... Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901 Tue Aug 4, 2009 5:02 pm (PDT) This week at SHS�.. This has been a hectic week here at SHS. A new shipment arrived yesterday with the DL&W reefers as well as NWX �Eatmor Cranberries� and the Prima Beer cars. They can be seen and ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Along with this shipment were the 2009 NASG convention cars. They are now on their way to St. Louis. Also, Hoquat Hobbies ordered and received two more numbers of the ever popular Ballantine & Sons Beer cars. Lastly, track and components were in the container. Next week the the R/C switches will be sailing from Hong Kong. These have been out of stock for some time now. We expect them about the first week of September. August�s shipment is expected to include new stock cars, double sheathed boxcars and the 00259 20� radius curved track. The freight cars will be the 3M and TH&B double sheathed boxcars. Stock cars will include UP, CB&Q and the new CP Rail. Our Christmas Cars (2009 GN Christmas boxcar with tree) may be part of this shipment too . Robin told me they are almost sold out. This will be the earliest we have sold out of this offering. They can still be ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html We have a new coil load for our flatcars. This car features four coil loads held in place by laser cut chocks. Like the tarp covered coil loads, the price is $62.95. We have sold out of AT&SF and Reading flatcars as well as one number of PRR. Only a few of the tarp covered coil loads remain in stock. http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html Re- Code 110 2-8-0 News � These will be on the market again as we discovered why the fireman�s side drivers were not getting current. Longer contact pins are the solution and we are now having these produced. If anyone would like a code 110 2-8-0, please let Robin know. More DCC news�. Bill and I have installed our first F units with the QSI Revolution U DCC sound decoders. We were both very pleased how the A-B-B-A F7s operated and some of the added features that come with these decoders. We tested them for several hours before we shipped them out. All new F7 or F unit upgrades we will use the QSI Revolution U�s. We will still be using the Tsunamis for the 2-8-0 and our switchers. Lastly�Top 5 items purchased in July� #3, tied Marhoefer Packing Co. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55641	From: william cole	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

hmmm... now if a pdf version of a magazine had ads, it should then be cheaper than the hard copy???? Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 8/12/09, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:47 PM   I want the entire magazine on pdf.  I look at the ads for many reasons. The magazine is not whole without them. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@everestkc. net> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:02:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines   We all have our preferences and more power to us :) But I personally like looking at the ads. Can¹t count the times I have checked an issue of whatever magazine to see the color, price, etc. of an item. They aren¹t all online and sometimes it¹s just faster to skim the pages. Roy Inman on 8/11/09 12:36 PM, william cole at billcwithonec@ yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > hard copy...there is no computer screen in the rooms where I read.....and I > don't want to be tethered to the computer room all the time..... > > now pdf for back issues would be a great idea !!! >   > which could get rid of ads, and allow for articles only..... > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups. com <mailto:LOandS% 40yahoogroups. com> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider: > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence. " - V > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ŒŒFlexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¹¹ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55642	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: 4-wire controller button purpose?

Hi Robert,                         For DC Operation using #16 Electronic Rectiformer, you must hook up a yellow and a black wire from the control box to the two 15 Volt posts of the #16.  The other two wires connect to the single post on the action car pick up rail to the other two wires under the control button.  These  instructions would be the same as accessories such as 751 Log loader and 583 Magnetic Crane.  If you have a K-line book see page 370.  If you want to see a illustration of the control buttons with 4 wire hook up for regular AC operation see American Flyer Instruction Book M2984 - 1952, Pages 28, 29, and 30.                                                  Tom Seccia                              --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:50 PM   So how do you hook them up for DC operation? --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:55 AM Hi Mark, The 4-wire control buttons are for DC operation. You can use these for AC operation by using one of each wire or combining each of the colors and make one wire of each. One wire would go from the control button to the 15 volt post on the transformer and the other wire would go from the control button to the pick up rail on the track. You will find these control buttons from 1947 to 1949. These were also used in later years for American Flyer HO. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 8/11/09, lember2004 <lember2004@ yahoo. com> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@ yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-wire controller button purpose? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 11:30 PM One of my Unloading Car controller buttons [for a 715 or 915 Gilbert flat that unloads a vehicle]has four wires [2 yellow & 2 black]; the other controller buttons I have for this operating car have the usual places for two wires [yellow & black]. What is the reason for/purpose of the extra wires? Thanks for your help. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55643	From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Trade undec SW-9 for

Hi, I have an new undecorated SHS SW-9 that I would like to trade for a new SHS undecorated SW-8. If the SHS SW-9 does not interest you I can sub a: SHS BN SW-9 # 162, new SHS CB&Q SW-1 #9153, new & I will throw in one SHS USRA undecorated 2 bay hopper, new. Also looking for SHS yellow and red Swift reefers. Thank you for looking, Bill McClung Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55644	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Yes but by the same token, if the hard copy magazine had more ads, it might be cheaper as well (or at least cover its cost of production and distribution). Bob Nalbone ________________________________ From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:21:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines hmmm... now if a pdf version of a magazine had ads, it should then be cheaper than the hard copy???? Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.. com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence. " - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 8/12/09, John Metzger <johnm_63379@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:47 PM I want the entire magazine on pdf. I look at the ads for many reasons. The magazine is not whole without them. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@everestkc . net> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:02:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines We all have our preferences and more power to us :) But I personally like looking at the ads. Can¹t count the times I have checked an issue of whatever magazine to see the color, price, etc. of an item. They aren¹t all online and sometimes it¹s just faster to skim the pages. Roy Inman on 8/11/09 12:36 PM, william cole at billcwithonec@ yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > hard copy...there is no computer screen in the rooms where I read.....and I > don't want to be tethered to the computer room all the time..... > > now pdf for back issues would be a great idea !!! > > which could get rid of ads, and allow for articles only..... > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups. com <mailto:LOandS% 40yahoogroups. com> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider: > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence. " - V > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ŒŒFlexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¹¹ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55645	From: John	Date: 8/12/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Hi Bill I guess this was the point I was trying to make originally. If you don't have to sent the magazine to a printer then the subscription should be more affordable even with the ads. --- billcwithonec@... wrote: From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:21:42 -0700 (PDT) hmmm... now if a pdf version of a magazine had ads, it should then be cheaper than the hard copy???? Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55646	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

Robert Nalbone wrote: > Yes but by the same token, if the hard copy magazine had more ads, it > might be cheaper as well (or at least cover its cost of production and > distribution). But there comes a point when a magazine has so many ads and "blow in cards" that it is no longer enjoyable to read or buy. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55647	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Plasticville Upgrade

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1654924305/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=301&count=20&dir=asc I painted the roof on my plasticville station and added two lights to the platform, that light up. And one S scale cat, marking his territory. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55648	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Plasticville upgrade

Too often today, the Plasticville buildings are overlooked by modelers and layout builders. In this era of craftsman kits, laser cut goodies, and other really nice structures, we tend to dismiss Plasticville as cheesy, bottom of the barrel items with no potential. Mike's station is an example of you might do with Plasticville. While it is true that these are lower grade products designed for toy use back in the fifties, they are not without merit. They make an excellent base for painting, detailing, and especially kit bashing. Despite the "retail" prices in the Bachmann catalog or the "collector" prices that some vendors insist on putting on them, Plasticville can be relatively cheap in a market where $100. or more laser kits are top of the line. Just a little attention to them pays dividends. A repaint with window frames, doors, and roofs done in realistic colors and flat finishes makes a world of difference to a Plasticville structure. Adding lights, window curtains, and details helps a bit more. And when you use Plasticville parts to make up whole new structures, many people can't tell the new buildings started out as cheap fifties style rejects. I used the Plasticville Fire Station to build a small enginehouse and the Union Station to build a small "Customs House" for my On30 micro layout and virtually no one recognised them as Plasticville stuff! The potential is there, you just have to use it. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55649	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4561

Hi Barb, It's nice to hear from you. What have you been doing lately? Are you still running your trains? I should make a video of the entire train room - it looks like a category 5 hurricane blew through - hahahaha! ttyl, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Bull, > > Nice looking and running train on your YouTube video. Get started on > your layout and keep the pics and vidoes coming. > > Happy railroading.... Barb > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Aug 5, 2009 5:59 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4561 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains > > Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) > > > 1. > AM Smooth sided Pass Set - NP-NORTH COAST DAYLIGHT - pre conv offer From: tennsgauge@... > > 2a. > Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" From: Alan Evans > > 3. > Flyonel Heavhyweight Pass Cars - UP and Pennsy - Pre-convention Pr From: tennsgauge@... > > 4a. > FW: S scale From: Rashied Jibri > 4b. > Re: FW: S scale m(Downtown deco) From: william cole > > 5. > Re: SHS commercialism, this week at SHS... From: Don Thompson > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > > > 1. > > AM Smooth sided Pass Set - NP-NORTH COAST DAYLIGHT - pre conv offer > Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger > Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:56 am (PDT) > > > I will be offering a 5 car NP set from American Models for sale at my > dealer table at the NASG Convention in Saint Louis. If anyone buys it prior > to my leaving for the convention mid-day on Wednesday, they get free > shipping and insurance. I prefer payment by cashiers check. This message is much > more readable on _AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com) than on the _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) or _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) versions which contort and distort the paragraphs. (Moderators, I > hope you will do something about this). > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > AMERICAN MODELS - SCALE LENGTH PASSENGER CARS: > “NORTHERN PACIFIC (a la NORTH COAST LIMITED!)” > These smooth sided lightweight cars were made by American Models, but they > are no longer in stock. If you think the Flyonel NP set is beautiful, you > should see these cars. The graphics are outstanding. > This is truly an exceptional set. The cars are assembled with windows, SHS > kadee-style couplers, interior lighting in all cars, and streamlined > trucks that American Models uses on their shorter Budd passenger cars. > These cars come with high rail wheels but they can easily be changed to > scale wheels. (you do the changing). > The asking price for this 5 car set is $650.. > (1) Baggage Car - One window is loose. > (2) Coach - One window is loose. > (3) Sleeper - one coupler is broken and will need to be replaced. > (4) Vista-Dome Car > (5) Observation Car > The purchaser of this set will probably want to purchase an FP7A-F7B-FP7A > set from American Models. > I have a set that I purchased from the seller of the cars but the diesels > are not equal in condition to the passenger cars, which are exceptional. > However, I will offer them for $150 to the buyer of the passenger cars, > otherwise the price is $200. The overall paint condition is OK. FP7 6600A is > missing left rear steps, window inserts, and the number boards are messed > up. F7B6704 is missing one end step, and another step is loose, both > couplers are broken, and one round window pane is missing. FP7 6601A is missing > both number boards and some windows, one coupler is broken, One of the A > units is operational but I am unsure about he other two. > Hopefully I will be able to test the locos before I leave for Saint > Louis, mid-day Wednesday. > > Earl Henry, Jr. > 436 Westview Avenue > Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 > 615-298-4502 > cell 615/545-6115 > _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > 2a. > > Re: Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's Kleaning Khemicals" > Posted by: "Alan Evans" alan@... alanstrains > Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:56 am (PDT) > > > Steve, > > Consider it done. May see you at S Fest. > > - Alan > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Steve Lunde > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:48 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Order form for NASG Brick Building "Kermit's > Kleaning Khemicals" > > Alan, > Could you hold one for me at the convention. I won't make it but I told Jeff > Madden to pick it up for me. > > Thanks, > Steve Lunde > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (7) > > 3. > > Flyonel Heavhyweight Pass Cars - UP and Pennsy - Pre-convention Pr > Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger > Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:22 am (PDT) > > > This message is much more readable on _AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com) than on > _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) which > contort and distort the paragraphs. (Moderators, I hope you will do something > about this). > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > FLYONEL HEAVYWEIGHT CARS - UNION PACIFIC AND PENNSYLVANIA > I will b offering for sale some Flyonel Heavyweight passenger cars at my > dealer tables at the NASG Convention in Saint Louis. I have not priced them > yet. I will consider offers made by email up until I leave for the > convention mid-day Wednesday. I prefer payment by cashiers check. I will offer > free shipping and insurance if anyone makes an offer I accept prior to my > leaving for the convention. A description of the cars is below. > AF UP HEAVYWEIGHT 4-PACK - 6-48978 > Combo ‘5916’ > Coach ‘405’ > Diner ‘3617’ > Observation ‘106’ > And > AF UP HEAVYWEIGHT COACH - 6-48980 > Coach ‘405’ (free shipping not offered on individual cars) > The UP cars are like new in original boxes. Tbey have been operated > briefly a couple of times. > ============================================ > AF PENNSYLVANIA HEAVYWEIGHT 4-PACK - 6-48992 > Combo ‘INDIAN ROCK’ > Coach ‘ANDREW CARNEGIE’ > Diner ‘SALMON B. CHASE’ > Observation ‘SKYLINE VIEW’ > Also two individual cars for sale: (free shipping not offered on > individual cars) > Diner ‘SALMON B. CHASE’ 6-49907 > Observation ‘SKYLINE VIEW’ 6-49908 > The Pennsylvania cars are like new in original boxes. Tbey have been > operated briefly a couple of times. > Earl Henry, Jr. > 436 Westview Avenue > Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 > 615-298-4502 > cell 615/545-6115 > _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > > ____________________________________ > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > 4a. > > FW: S scale > Posted by: "Rashied Jibri" Rjibri@... rashied_jibri > Tue Aug 4, 2009 11:49 am (PDT) > > > > In the July/August S Gaugian, S Briefs section, there's a paragraph about Downtown Deco's vain attempt at generating interest is a S Scale structure kit. The kit that was offered was a 3-story factory. I emailed Downtown Deco and suggested that there may be a better response if he tried a smaller kit. Read his reply below. I know the S Scale market is small and dwindling, but when a vendor makes offer perhaps we should make an effort to support it so we can hold on to what we got. If anyone is interested, I suggest going to the Downtown Deco website and look at the kits in other scales like the Addams St. series. If there is enough interest in a particular kit we can then approach Dowtown Deco about a S Scale project. > > Rashied > > From: downtowndeco@... > To: rjibri@... > Subject: Re: S scale > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:46:00 -0600 > > OK, thanks. What I'm saying it seems no matter what I propose to do in S Scale there is never an agreement. It's always too big or too small or too east coast too west coast too old too new etc. I'd like to do an S Scale kit, but no one can seem to agree on what it is they'd like to buy. : ) > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rashied Jibri > To: downtowndeco@... > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:48 PM > Subject: RE: S scale > > Maybe you did not understand me. I am aware the there was a lack of interest for the S scale 3-story building project. I am suggesting that a smaller kit may have better success if you were to try it again. > > > From: downtowndeco@... > To: rjibri@... > Subject: Re: S scale > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:43:57 -0600 > > Hi Rashied, > > The S Scale project has been halted because of a lack of interest. THanks much. > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rashied Jibri > To: downtowndeco@... > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:23 PM > Subject: S scale > > In the current S Gauguain magazine it is mentioned that you were testing the waters of the S scale market back in March. The kit you offered was a three story factory. I know this kit is too large for my layout. Also, club traveling modular layouts are becoming more popular and large structures are not always practical. Perhaps there will be a better S scale response if a smaller kit was offered, such as one of the Addams St kits or even the Hamburger Stand. > > I will be happy to assist in promoting Downtown Deco S scale kits. > > Rashied Jibri > > Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. > > Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. > __________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > 4b. > > Re: FW: S scale m(Downtown deco) > Posted by: "william cole" billcwithonec@... billcwithonec > Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:26 pm (PDT) > > > If Downtown Deco were to do an S building.... > > my vote in order of my preference: > > Horowitz Garment Company > Triangle Fruit Company > Shipping Warehouse Flat > Addams Avenue Part 5 > Addams Avenue Part 3 > Angels Flight Motel > Skid Rown Part 2 > Trackside Tavern > > hope 99 others can agree on one or 2 of these..... > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Rashied Jibri <Rjibri@...> wrote: > > From: Rashied Jibri <Rjibri@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] FW: S scale > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 2:36 PM > > > > In the July/August S Gaugian, S Briefs section, there's a paragraph about Downtown Deco's vain attempt at generating interest is a S Scale structure kit. The kit that was offered was a 3-story factory. I emailed Downtown Deco and suggested that there may be a better response if he tried a smaller kit. Read his reply below. I know the S Scale market is small and dwindling, but when a vendor makes offer perhaps we should make an effort to support it so we can hold on to what we got. If anyone is interested, I suggest going to the Downtown Deco website and look at the kits in other scales like the Addams St. series. If there is enough interest in a particular kit we can then approach Dowtown Deco about a S Scale project. > > Rashied > > From: downtowndeco@ montana.com > To: rjibri@... > Subject: Re: S scale > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:46:00 -0600 > > OK, thanks. What I'm saying it seems no matter what I propose to do in S Scale there is never an agreement. It's always too big or too small or too east coast too west coast too old too new etc. I'd like to do an S Scale kit, but no one can seem to agree on what it is they'd like to buy. : ) > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rashied Jibri > To: downtowndeco@ montana.com > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:48 PM > Subject: RE: S scale > > Maybe you did not understand me. I am aware the there was a lack of interest for the S scale 3-story building project. I am suggesting that a smaller kit may have better success if you were to try it again. > > From: downtowndeco@ montana.com > To: rjibri@... > Subject: Re: S scale > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:43:57 -0600 > > Hi Rashied, > > The S Scale project has been halted because of a lack of interest. THanks much. > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rashied Jibri > To: downtowndeco@ montana.com > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:23 PM > Subject: S scale > > In the current S Gauguain magazine it is mentioned that you were testing the waters of the S scale market back in March. The kit you offered was a three story factory. I know this kit is too large for my layout. Also, club traveling modular layouts are becoming more popular and large structures are not always practical. Perhaps there will be a better S scale response if a smaller kit was offered, such as one of the Addams St kits or even the Hamburger Stand. > > I will be happy to assist in promoting Downtown Deco S scale kits. > > Rashied Jibri > > Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. > > Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowslivef ormobile. com/en-us/ photos/default. aspx?&OCID= 0809TL-HM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > > 5. > > Re: SHS commercialism, this week at SHS... > Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901 > Tue Aug 4, 2009 5:02 pm (PDT) > > > This week at SHS�.. > > This has been a hectic week here at SHS. A new shipment arrived > yesterday with the DL&W reefers as well as NWX �Eatmor Cranberries� > and the Prima Beer cars. They can be seen and ordered at: > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > Along with this shipment were the 2009 NASG convention cars. They are > now on their way to St. Louis. Also, Hoquat Hobbies ordered and > received two more numbers of the ever popular Ballantine & Sons Beer > cars. Lastly, track and components were in the container. > > Next week the the R/C switches will be sailing from Hong Kong. These > have been out of stock for some time now. We expect them about the > first week of September. > > August�s shipment is expected to include new stock cars, double > sheathed boxcars and the 00259 20� radius curved track. The freight > cars will be the 3M and TH&B double sheathed boxcars. Stock cars will > include UP, CB&Q and the new CP Rail. Our Christmas Cars (2009 GN > Christmas boxcar with tree) may be part of this shipment too . Robin > told me they are almost sold out. This will be the earliest we have > sold out of this offering. They can still be ordered at: > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html > > We have a new coil load for our flatcars. This car features four > coil loads held in place by laser cut chocks. Like the tarp covered > coil loads, the price is $62.95. We have sold out of AT&SF and > Reading flatcars as well as one number of PRR. Only a few of the tarp > covered coil loads remain in stock. > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html > > Re- Code 110 2-8-0 News � These will be on the market again as we > discovered why the fireman�s side drivers were not getting current. > Longer contact pins are the solution and we are now having these > produced. If anyone would like a code 110 2-8-0, please let Robin know. > > More DCC news�. Bill and I have installed our first F units with > the QSI Revolution U DCC sound decoders. We were both very pleased > how the A-B-B-A F7s operated and some of the added features that come > with these decoders. We tested them for several hours before we > shipped them out. All new F7 or F unit upgrades we will use the QSI > Revolution U�s. We will still be using the Tsunamis for the 2-8-0 > and our switchers. > > Lastly�Top 5 items purchased in July� > > #3, tied Marhoefer Packing Co. Reefers (number 3 is sold out) > > #3, tied Pacific Fruit Express Reefers (all numbers still available) > > #3, tied C&I offset hoppers (both numbers still available) > > #2 IC Offset hoppers (sets and single cars still available) > > #1 Flex Track 6/pk (#00465) > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/OffsetHoppers/offsethoppers_in_stock.html > > http://www.showcaseline.com/track/FlexTrack.html > > Everyone enjoy the rest of the summer, > > Don > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > > > Recent Activity > > > 4 > New Members > > 16 > New PhotosVisit Your Group > > > > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > Share Photos > Put your favorite > photos and > more online. > > Get in Shape > on Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55650	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: PDF Magazines

I look forward to dealing with that problem. Bob Nalbone ________________________________ From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:28:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PDF Magazines Robert Nalbone wrote: > Yes but by the same token, if the hard copy magazine had more ads, it > might be cheaper as well (or at least cover its cost of production and > distribution) . But there comes a point when a magazine has so many ads and "blow in cards" that it is no longer enjoyable to read or buy. George Cohn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55651	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville upgrade

I forgot to mention that the roof is too shiny and I will take some dull coat to it. As for Plasticville, yes, they can be altered. I have a barn that Grant Bishop, generously gave me that is Plasticville. His wife painted it and you would never think it was plasticville. Also, I have not seen many kit buildings that reflect my taste to replace the plasticville I have on the layout that make up a town. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Plasticville upgrade Too often today, the Plasticville buildings are overlooked by modelers and layout builders. In this era of craftsman kits, laser cut goodies, and other really nice structures, we tend to dismiss Plasticville as cheesy, bottom of the barrel items with no potential. Mike's station is an example of you might do with Plasticville. While it is true that these are lower grade products designed for toy use back in the fifties, they are not without merit. They make an excellent base for painting, detailing, and especially kit bashing. Despite the "retail" prices in the Bachmann catalog or the "collector" prices that some vendors insist on putting on them, Plasticville can be relatively cheap in a market where $100. or more laser kits are top of the line. Just a little attention to them pays dividends. A repaint with window frames, doors, and roofs done in realistic colors and flat finishes makes a world of difference to a Plasticville structure. Adding lights, window curtains, and details helps a bit more. And when you use Plasticville parts to make up whole new structures, many people can't tell the new buildings started out as cheap fifties style rejects. I used the Plasticville Fire Station to build a small enginehouse and the Union Station to build a small "Customs House" for my On30 micro layout and virtually no one recognised them as Plasticville stuff! The potential is there, you just have to use it. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55652	From: cornwall9	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: American Flyer 720A Switch repairs

I recently purchased some used Flyer 720A switches on ebay. They were in good shape and functioned well when I tested them but the colored tape inside the lamp housing was missing. I know this is an available replacement part and not very expensive but when it is the only thing you need, the cost of the postage is often more than the price of the part. I decided to look for an alternative solution. I have scratch-built my own semaphores for my HO scale layout and when looking for tiny colored lenses, I stumbled upon the perfect solution in a craft store. Doll-house builders like to make them special and one product in that section was for making "stained-glass" windows. I bought Red, Yellow, and Green for my semaphores It is a liquid that reminds you of white glue and it comes in many colors. It is very easy to use and all you need to do is fill the area you want with the "paint, let it dry, and it becomes a crystal-clear colored lens. It starts out as pink for red and a mint green for green but when it dries, it is absolutely perfect. The paint cost less than $1.00 per bottle. The small 3-Oz bottle will supply you for many years. I took some scotch tape and covered one side of the holes in the "lens" area on the switch mechanism that the light shines through, filled the hole with the "stained glass" paint, and let it dry over night. The next day, the paint had dried and looked great. I replaced the lamp cover, wired the switches, and the match with the other switches was perfect. Although this will not work with the old 720 style switches, it works well for the 720A style. One last thing, do not remove the tape as that will pull the rubbery lens tight out of the hole. Don't ask how I found this out. The dry lens material is a rubbery-like material and is easily removed by peeling it from the metal surface. Give it a try. The results were pleasing to me. Regards, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55653	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville upgrade

Stumpy,   I had a fully operational scale railroad in HO scale for over 15 years. One of the things that I love is operating signals. The price of many "scale-prototype signal bridges ofetn stretched my hobby budget to the breaking point, UNTIL, I saw that the plasticville signal bridge was a dead ringer for the PRR signal bridges over the NE Corridor. I haunted flea markets and train shows buying those "cheap Plasticville" bridges for $.50 to $1.00 and most of them were assembled. I took them home, painted the bases a concrete color, streaked a little rust-powder where the steel members met them and added functioning PRR position head signals. Many operators complimented me on the "brass" bridges .NJ International had produced this bridge in the late 1960's at $50.00 for 2- Track and $90.00 for a 4-track version. When I told them they were Plasticville, they had to look very closely to prove it.   I love Plasticville buildings. They can be found cheaply and are often, given away when an estate sale takes place.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55654	From: Alan	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: How To Solder Track?

I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? Thanks! A

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55655	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 720A Switch repairs

cornwall9 wrote: > I stumbled upon the perfect solution in > a craft store. Doll-house builders like to make them special and one > product in that section was for making "stained-glass" windows. Thanks for the tip! I have at least a dozen switches that need the lenses. Sounds like it might work as well for the semaphores? George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55656	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

Alan, The Lone Star Division of the TCA has their summer meet Saturday, August 22 in Plano, Texas. Trading for TCA members begins at 9:00 AM and the meet opens to the public at 10:30 AM. It's at the Holiday Inn Express at 700 Central Parkway East. I attended the TCA meet in Houston a couple of months ago and there was a gbood amount of AF available there. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan@...> wrote: > > I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. > > Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? > > Thanks! > > A >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55657	From: zdava	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Another video of my AF layout

Here is a short video of my 2 AF steamers on the main line. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zCmfUTQXgY Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55658	From: lember2004	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: answers to: halogen lights & UV fading

A while back I asked about halogen lights in the train room and UV color fading. A long thread ensued, which I read with interest - thank-you! By the way, I would have commented sooner, but I wrote an e-mail to GE to get their take and acqire some technnical data - and was waiting to get their reply so I could share it. However, I have yet to get a reply. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55659	From: lember2004	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: dummy PA shell on 2 motor PA frame?

I happen to have acquired some working Gilbert AF PA frames with 2-motors [but without body shells]. Looking around, it seems a lot easier to acquire an original "dummy" shell [i.e. unpowered part of an AA or ABA lashup] in great shape than it is to find a nice original shell numbered for use with motors. My question: anything about the construction, hole placement, etc. that would prevent a dummy shell from being attached to a 2-motor frame? Thanks for your help! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55660	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 720A Switch repairs

Hi George,   ===== Thanks for the tip!  I have at least a dozen switches that need the lenses.  Sounds like it might work as well for the semaphores? George Cohn =====   You're welcome. I have 3 of the 761 Semaphores but the lenses are acuually pretty thick. The switch holes are just thin sheet metal. You might need to make some brass or sheet steel "templates" with holes that the liquid will be able to create the thin film lens Since the switches have covers, no one can see the tape. The semaphores are much more visible but what the heck, give it a try. I'd like to hear how you make out.   Good luck, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55661	From: lember2004	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: thanks for answers to "4-wire controller button purpose?"

Thank you to Tom & Larry for responding to my question on 4-wire controllers; now I know! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55662	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/13/2009
Subject: Re: dummy PA shell on 2 motor PA frame?

Mark....... Only that there are variations in frames. Two-motor frames insert high into the shell, so the screw-hole posts are short. Single-motor frames are usually bi-level......the motorized end inserts high, while the dummy end sits low (short yoke on the dummy truck)....thus the screw-hole posts are short on one end, but longer on the other end. Finally, some dummy frames sat low on both ends......short yokes on both dummy trucks.......long posts on both ends. Hope that makes sense. Gilbert did produce metal screw-in extensions in order to turn short screw-hole posts into long ones, enabling a different frame to be inserted in the shell. We had reproductions of those extension posts made, should you need any. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I happen to have acquired some working Gilbert AF PA frames with 2-motors [but without body shells]. Looking around, it seems a lot easier to acquire an original "dummy" shell [i.e. unpowered part of an AA or ABA lashup] in great shape than it is to find a nice original shell numbered for use with motors. My question: anything about the construction, hole placement, etc. that would prevent a dummy shell from being attached to a 2-motor frame? Thanks for your help! Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55663	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

Alan, get a resistent type sodering unit and brass tubing and brass wire. The wire should just slide into the tubing. Cut the tubing just long enough to cover the rail joint by 1/2 inch.Soder the tubing to both sides of the track. You need a tube for each side of the track. Take a drumel tool and cut the tubing at the joint. Take the wire cut just long enough to when pushed into the tube, it goes into both pieces of the tube. Repeat on both sides. The tube needs an ell bend on one end so you can pull it out for dismantling. Hopes this helps. JOHN METZGER (johnm63379)  ________________________________ From: Alan <alan@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:54:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] How To Solder Track?   I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? Thanks! A [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55664	From: Glenn	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: GREENBERG SHOW

S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsIf you live in Southeastern PA, there is a Greenberg Train Show this weekend, August 15th & 16th from 10am to 4pm at the Greater Philadelphia Expo Center in Oaks at 100 Station Ave off Egypt Road and 422. At the World's Greatest Hobby Show in January there was traffic gridlock for 2 hours. Hope to see a better traffic pattern and more trains this time. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55665	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Plasticville Upgrade

Just wondering if Mike has living quarters for the 8 cats, like a "cat house" for instance, on the layout. Jim "curious on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55666	From: Alan	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

Thanks John, do you have a picture of the final assembly of this? Would copper wire be more conductive than brass? and I do not understand the ell part of this procedure as outlined below. Thanks again, A --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: > > Alan, get a resistent type sodering unit and brass tubing and brass wire. The wire should just slide into the tubing. Cut the tubing just long enough to cover the rail joint by 1/2 inch.Soder the tubing to both sides of the track. You need a tube for each side of the track. Take a drumel tool and cut the tubing at the joint. Take the wire cut just long enough to when pushed into the tube, it goes into both pieces of the tube. Repeat on both sides. The tube needs an ell bend on one end so you can pull it out for dismantling. Hopes this helps. JOHN METZGER (johnm63379)  > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alan <alan@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:54:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] How To Solder Track? > >   > I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. > > Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? > > Thanks! > > A > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55667	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

The way it USED to be done at NTTM---cut a piece of paperclip about 3/4" long, use a soldering gun and solder to both sides of the joint on the OUTSIDE of each rail, on the rails that are NOT normally separated. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/14/2009 10:41:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes: Thanks John, do you have a picture of the final assembly of this? Would copper wire be more conductive than brass? and I do not understand the ell part of this procedure as outlined below. Thanks again, A --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: > > Alan, get a resistent type sodering unit and brass tubing and brass wire. The wire should just slide into the tubing. Cut the tubing just long enough to cover the rail joint by 1/2 inch.Soder the tubing to both sides of the track. You need a tube for each side of the track. Take a drumel tool and cut the tubing at the joint. Take the wire cut just long enough to when pushed into the tube, it goes into both pieces of the tube. Repeat on both sides. The tube needs an ell bend on one end so you can pull it out for dismantling. Hopes this helps. JOHN METZGER (johnm63379) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alan <alan@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:54:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] How To Solder Track? > > > I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. > > Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? > > Thanks! > > A > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55668	From: John Metzger	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

The american flyers of the st louis area (AFSGSLA) club in st louis ,missouri have done this to our 12'x28' running layout and the famous barr/macy's downtown department store window display.  the brass tube material sodders easily to the out side edge of the rail.  we used brass because most hobby shops sell brass tubing and wire. read up on the resistent soddering unit. when you use one,  practice with it. they are the way we should be putting brass engines together. use the drummel tool after you sodder the tubing to the outside edge of the rail joint. the wire should slide into the tubbing snug enough to make contact but still able to be pulled out. bend one end of the wire 90 degree (ell shape) so you do not loss the wire inside the tubbing. this method makes for quick assembly and take down. much easier to line up track also.  hopes this helps, JOHN. ________________________________ From: Alan <alan@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:30:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How To Solder Track?   Thanks John, do you have a picture of the final assembly of this? Would copper wire be more conductive than brass? and I do not understand the ell part of this procedure as outlined below. Thanks again, A --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, John Metzger <johnm_63379@ ...> wrote: > > Alan, get a resistent type sodering unit and brass tubing and brass wire. The wire should just slide into the tubing. Cut the tubing just long enough to cover the rail joint by 1/2 inch.Soder the tubing to both sides of the track. You need a tube for each side of the track. Take a drumel tool and cut the tubing at the joint. Take the wire cut just long enough to when pushed into the tube, it goes into both pieces of the tube. Repeat on both sides. The tube needs an ell bend on one end so you can pull it out for dismantling. Hopes this helps. JOHN METZGER (johnm63379)  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Alan <alan@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:54:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] How To Solder Track? > >   > I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. > > Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? > > Thanks! > > A > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55669	From: Alan	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

This is helpful information, thank you. It looks to me like the resistance soldering tool is like a mini arc-welder which would certainly do the job but may be a little unwieldy in regards to parts handling, and I think I would figure out a way to build a unit before I spent hundreds of dollars on one. I would like to see one that actually uses the solder as the rod, now THAT would be one heck of a spot soldering device, have you ever tried that? It sounds messy, like pools of solder would be all over the place. This layout I have is about 10' X 5' with 3 electric switches, a trestle, and a crossover so I am thinking that maybe the best solution would be for me to make something in three wooden panels with track soldered together and mounted that I can disassemble and store when needed. I like being able to store the train in boxes but the cleaning and jockying around with track to get good continuity is a challenge every time (it's still fun, but not as fun as playing with the train!). Any ideas on good, sturdy, light weight, portable layout options? Thanks Again, A --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: > > The american flyers of the st louis area (AFSGSLA) club in st louis ,missouri have done this to our 12'x28' running layout and the famous barr/macy's downtown department store window display.  the brass tube material sodders easily to the out side edge of the rail.  we used brass because most hobby shops sell brass tubing and wire. read up on the resistent soddering unit. when you use one,  practice with it. they are the way we should be putting brass engines together. use the drummel tool after you sodder the tubing to the outside edge of the rail joint. the wire should slide into the tubbing snug enough to make contact but still able to be pulled out. bend one end of the wire 90 degree (ell shape) so you do not loss the wire inside the tubbing. this method makes for quick assembly and take down. much easier to line up track also.  hopes this helps, JOHN. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alan <alan@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:30:37 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How To Solder Track? > >   > Thanks John, do you have a picture of the final assembly of this? Would copper wire be more conductive than brass? and I do not understand the ell part of this procedure as outlined below. > > Thanks again, > > A > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, John Metzger <johnm_63379@ ...> wrote: > > > > Alan, get a resistent type sodering unit and brass tubing and brass wire. The wire should just slide into the tubing. Cut the tubing just long enough to cover the rail joint by 1/2 inch.Soder the tubing to both sides of the track. You need a tube for each side of the track. Take a drumel tool and cut the tubing at the joint. Take the wire cut just long enough to when pushed into the tube, it goes into both pieces of the tube. Repeat on both sides. The tube needs an ell bend on one end so you can pull it out for dismantling. Hopes this helps. JOHN METZGER (johnm63379)  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Alan <alan@> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:54:39 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] How To Solder Track? > > > >   > > I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. > > > > Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? > > > > Thanks! > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55670	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Upgrade

Jim, No, these are non moving cats, permanently in position on the layout for life, so there is no need for a living quarters for the 8 cats. LOL And they wont be able to reproduce either. Actually, at the Altoona RR Museum, they have a cat house for feral cats on the ground. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; mlmarmer@... Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Upgrade Just wondering if Mike has living quarters for the 8 cats, like a "cat house" for instance, on the layout. Jim "curious on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55671	From: wisner_mark	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Knuckle and Link

Need to create a car that has a knuckle coupler on on end and a link on the other. To replace a link with a knuckle do I have to replace the entire truck. ( wheel and coupler assy.) Currently my locos all have knuckle type couplers. Is the swap difficult?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55672	From: lember2004	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Doug Peck's reply to "dummy PA shell on 2 motor PA frame?"

Thanks for the reply & info, Doug. (The info you provided is right in-step with the answer you gave me at NASG last week when I asked about converting a single-motor PA to a 2 can motor PA.) As I understand it, the post extensions would allow a shell from a powered PA to be mounted on a frame from a dummy PA - but I'm out-of-luck wanting to to mount a dummy shell on a powered frame. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > Mark....... > Only that there are variations in frames. Two-motor frames insert high into the shell, so the screw-hole posts are short. > Single-motor frames are usually bi-level......the motorized end inserts high, while the dummy end sits low (short yoke on the dummy truck)....thus the screw-hole posts are short on one end, but longer on the other end. > Finally, some dummy frames sat low on both ends......short yokes on both dummy trucks.......long posts on both ends. > Hope that makes sense. > Gilbert did produce metal screw-in extensions in order to turn short screw-hole posts into long ones, enabling a different frame to be inserted in the shell. > We had reproductions of those extension posts made, should you need any. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > www.flyerparts.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@> wrote: > > > > I happen to have acquired some working Gilbert AF PA frames with 2-motors [but without body shells]. Looking around, it seems a lot easier to acquire an original "dummy" shell [i.e. unpowered part of an AA or ABA lashup] in great shape than it is to find a nice original shell numbered for use with motors. My question: anything about the construction, hole placement, etc. that would prevent a dummy shell from being attached to a 2-motor frame? Thanks for your help! Mark > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55673	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

Mark, You CAN replace the entire truck, but you don't HAVE to. Remove the LC and pin, and replace it with a conversion KC and pin.....very simple. You'll find more information about it in one of the Repair Clinics on our website. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > Need to create a car that has a knuckle coupler on on end and a link on the other. > To replace a link with a knuckle do I have to replace the entire truck. ( wheel and coupler assy.) Currently my locos all have knuckle type couplers. Is the swap difficult? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55674	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Breaking News

Ex-Wife, Divorce Lawyer Killed As Model Train Careens Off Tracks August 13, 2009 | KOFSKY BASEMENT�In an accident that model train conductor Howard Kofsky called "a real goddamn shame," an 8-inch passenger car carrying his ex-wife Jillian Gilpin and her divorce attorney Pete Koechman careened off the tracks Monday after a miniature truss bridge suddenly and mysteriously went missing. "Jillian died on impact," the 44-year-old Kofsky said while standing over the wreckage in his boxer shorts. "That snake lawyer, though, he suffered a broken back, neck, legs, arms, face, fingers, and ribs, and was bleeding internally a lot. Also, he was burned alive after a giant lighter came down from the sky and set him on fire." According to basement sources, this is the eighth time that both Kofsky's ex-wife and her legal prosecutor have perished this month. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55675	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

Hi Mark,                      If all your locos have knuckle couplers, you may want to make a piece of rolling stock a conversion car.  If you have a link coupler car, you can convert one truck to knuckle by using a XA13A067 Split Knuckle Coupler and a PA13A065 Split Rivet as Doug described.  If all of your freight cars are knuckle coupler cars, you would have to replace one of the knuckle coupler trucks with a link coupler truck to give you a knuckle coupler on one side and a link coupler on the other side.   The other option you would have is converting one of your locomotives from knuckle to link by replacing the rear tender truck. I have the XA13A067, PA13A065 Split Rivet and XA9987 Link coupler Trucks in stock.                                                           Tom Seccia                                                   --- On Sat, 8/15/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Knuckle and Link To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 6:12 AM   Need to create a car that has a knuckle coupler on on end and a link on the other. To replace a link with a knuckle do I have to replace the entire truck. ( wheel and coupler assy.) Currently my locos all have knuckle type couplers. Is the swap difficult? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55676	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News

I forgot to mention that news story was from www.theonion.com a satire newspaper. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55677	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News

Now that's some good news for a change!!! -----Original Message----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: Toy Trains <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Cookie Flannery <cookster1030@...>; steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; Steve Hoschler <steve@...> Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:54 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Breaking News Ex-Wife, Divorce Lawyer Killed As Model Train Careens Off Tracks ugust 13, 2009 | KOFSKY BASEMENT—In an accident that model train conductor Howard Kofsky called a real goddamn shame," an 8-inch passenger car carrying his ex-wife Jillian ilpin and her divorce attorney Pete Koechman careened off the tracks Monday fter a miniature truss bridge suddenly and mysteriously went missing. "Jillian ied on impact," the 44-year-old Kofsky said while standing over the wreckage in is boxer shorts. "That snake lawyer, though, he suffered a broken back, neck, egs, arms, face, fingers, and ribs, and was bleeding internally a lot. Also, he as burned alive after a giant lighter came down from the sky and set him on ire." According to basement sources, this is the eighth time that both Kofsky's x-wife and her legal prosecutor have perished this month. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos t http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55678	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Plasticville Upgrade

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1581001375/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=301&count=20&dir=asc I re-sprayed the Plasticville Station roof with a dull coat. I posted pictures of some of the plasticville items that have been altered. The plasticville barn was given to me from a friend in San Francisco, as this was actually painted by his wife. I painted the windmill, the WPLA TV station antenna. Also 8 of the 22 Apple trees are on the table, as they will be glued down soon. Trees behind the baseball wall, as they will be glued down and the trunk edge will be covered with green flake grass. Also, telegraph poles from dowls painted with metal S scale crossarms. I have one roll of EZ line on the poles, as one roll went three times around. Very easy to do, as it only took a hour to complete. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55679	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Breaking New

I want to apologize to those who might of been offended or did not like the humor in that story that came from a weekly on line satire website. These yahoo groups have many people with different views on things and now that I re-read the email, I realized that this should of not been sent to a yahoo group for posting. I am sincerely sorry, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55680	From: ajbird	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

Soldering sounds like one good solution. I wonder if you have pondered securing the track per the guidelines issued by Gilbert about keeping track tight (slightly bending the pins), and using track clips? More perhaps to the point of connectivity, have you considered using additional track trips, one spaced about every eight pieces of track? That helps to keep the current even across the length of the layout. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan@...> wrote: > > I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead ....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55681	From: majordadsage	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: How To Solder Track?

Alan, I have found that bending the pins using multiple track clips really helps; however, emory cloth (don't get to aggressive) really does a good job of cleaning the track. I had a 8 x 12 oval and there wasn't any dead spots using the above suggestions. I have also soldered the wires directly to the underside of the track which helps quite a bit. Good Luck--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan@...> wrote: > > I have an American Flyer that I build at Christmas and then disassemble after the holiday season. (I wish I had the room to build a permanent layout but alas ...) Since I can not weld the whole system together the circuit is not very robust and tends to have dead spots. I would like to solder the pins into the track in hopes that it will improve continuity. Is there a soldering iron that anyone knows of that will tack all this stuff together nice and fast? I have a fair amount of track to weld. > > Also, does anyone know of any train trade shows that are coming up in the Central Texas area that might have a good supply of American Flyer stuff? > > Thanks! > > A >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55682	From: Paul	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New

MIKE, you might not want to send it to the whole group, but if you decide to make a smaller group for receipts, stick me on it please. my only objection is that I missed the first eight times, starting with number 9, I would like the popcorn concession, (get rich quick scheme) from my standpoint, thanks, I needed a giggle. I believe satire is for thinkers and hope to include myself in that group. BTW, (required train content) eight inch cars, whew Kofsky is using HO not S paul in ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55683	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/16/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55684	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New

Thanks Paul. I will do that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Breaking New MIKE, you might not want to send it to the whole group, but if you decide to make a smaller group for receipts, stick me on it please. my only objection is that I missed the first eight times, starting with number 9, I would like the popcorn concession, (get rich quick scheme) from my standpoint, thanks, I needed a giggle. I believe satire is for thinkers and hope to include myself in that group. BTW, (required train content) eight inch cars, whew Kofsky is using HO not S paul in ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55685	From: michael prell	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New

Mike, Are you kidding? I sent it edited with my name and that of my ex to several friends and family members! Anytime I can use trains to get a point across, I'm all for it. So, about that missing bridge.....I'm guessing UFO's.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/15/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Breaking New To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 12:00 PM   I want to apologize to those who might of been offended or did not like the humor in that story that came from a weekly on line satire website. These yahoo groups have many people with different views on things and now that I re-read the email, I realized that this should of not been sent to a yahoo group for posting. I am sincerely sorry, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55686	From: wisner_mark	Date: 8/15/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

Thanks for the help. I will b ordering the parts next week.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55687	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Breaking News

Great Humor Mike,.. I agree that it fit's the "list" objective, as some of us do have a "twisted" sense of humor! Milo 304-754-6304 home 252-402-8317 cell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55688	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News

Sick and twisted...or creative and humorous? Either way, I don't think too many people are offended. At our ages, most of us either have been through a nasty divorce or know someone who has, and we understand. Besides, with all the bad news in the world today, humor IS the best medicine. Besides, it WAS train related! ;-) I sent this around to many pf my e-mail friends as soon as you sent it by e-mail originally! (There is one who IS in a nasty divorce, so not knowing which of the combatants would read it first and get ideas, I skipped them.) Stumpy Stone...certified sick and twisted in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55689	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New

Hi Mike If you ever come accross any more like this one please send them to me it was funny. About 20 years ago i read a story about a divorce that was all settled except how to split the American Flyer trains. The court ruled that joint custody was set up so the wife had them one week the husban had them the next week. I wish I had kept the arport thanks stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Breaking New Thanks Paul. I will do that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Breaking New MIKE, you might not want to send it to the whole group, but if you decide to make a smaller group for receipts, stick me on it please. my only objection is that I missed the first eight times, starting with number 9, I would like the popcorn concession, (get rich quick scheme) from my standpoint, thanks, I needed a giggle. I believe satire is for thinkers and hope to include myself in that group. BTW, (required train content) eight inch cars, whew Kofsky is using HO not S paul in ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55690	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

Hi Mark,                 If you have any other questions about this project, please email me seccia@....                                      Tom --- On Sat, 8/15/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Knuckle and Link To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 8:38 PM   Thanks for the help. I will b ordering the parts next week. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55691	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking New

Thanks for all the emails, in private and on the list, letting me know that many of you liked the humor on this "story" from the Onion. I did get a email in private from someone I respect very much on this list as he did not object to the divorce per say, but something else that written in that story. Next time I send something like that in, I will edited anything like that the line that this person objected to, as I respect his reasoning in his beliefs. We are a group of people on this list with different philoshpies and views on life and I will try to be more intune to the others who might object to something that I might think is funny, etc. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55693	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News

Seems to me that the main thing we all agree on is trains, and S-scale/gauge trains in particular. IMHO, our group is a microcosm of what is REALLY wrong with America today. It is not ³Them² or ³The others² or...name your group. It is our inability to focus on what we have in common more than on our differences. Thanks to some very skillful groups and individuals who have have developed the ³divide and conquer² technique to an art form, it seems all we can do is shout at each other. Just a gentle suggestion for us all: How about we spend more time and energy with a two-rail loop of track and some Flyer/Flyonel/SHS/AM, etc., running around it. Respectfully submitted, Roy, setting up his loop now in Lenexa, KS, Inman on 8/16/09 10:03 AM, Robert Conner at rcon7@... wrote: > > > > > I am kinda shocked.... When I saw the PROFANITY about GOD I stopped at that > point.... I didn't think it was approaite on this site.... I am a Christian > and I don't cuss..... Now if it had said F#*% Obama that wouuld have been ok > !!!!!... Bob > > --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@... > <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > wrote: > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Breaking News > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:11 AM > >   > > Sick and twisted...or creative and humorous? Either way, I don't think too > many people are offended. At our ages, most of us either have been through a > nasty divorce or know someone who has, and we understand. > Besides, with all the bad news in the world today, humor IS the best medicine. > Besides, it WAS train related! ;-) > I sent this around to many pf my e-mail friends as soon as you sent it by > e-mail originally! (There is one who IS in a nasty divorce, so not knowing > which of the combatants would read it first and get ideas, I skipped them.) > Stumpy Stone...certified sick and twisted in Appalachia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55694	From: af2rail	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

Mark, An AF operator here in California has invented an adaptor so it is not necessary to do any mechanical conversions. He premiered his product at our Flyer Fest West in May and, I believe, there will be an article in the upcoming, or next, S Gaugian. If you email Stuart at this email address, I am sure he will send photos and further information: swbaugherjr@... Don Rosa --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > Need to create a car that has a knuckle coupler on on end and a link on the other. > To replace a link with a knuckle do I have to replace the entire truck. ( wheel and coupler assy.) Currently my locos all have knuckle type couplers. Is the swap difficult? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55695	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

Hi Don, Tried to e-mail Stuart @ address provided, but it was rejected. Please check if address is correcty. Thanks, Pete Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: af2rail Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:33 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Knuckle and Link To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Mark, > An AF operator here in California has invented an adaptor so it > is not necessary to do any mechanical conversions. He premiered > his product at our Flyer Fest West in May and, I believe, there > will be an article in the upcoming, or next, S Gaugian. If you > email Stuart at this email address, I am sure he will send > photos and further information: > swbaugherjr@... > > Don Rosa > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" > wrote:> > > Need to create a car that has a knuckle coupler on on end and > a link on the other. > > To replace a link with a knuckle do I have to replace the > entire truck. ( wheel and coupler assy.) Currently my locos all > have knuckle type couplers. Is the swap difficult? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55696	From: ecphora123	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Mike's Barn

Hi Mike, Like the barn, but in all seriousness why the phone booth? Did I miss that chapter in your odyssey. You certainly have some talented cows, especially if they are able to make calls. It would be interesting to know how they get coins in the slot. I'm just teasing you of course. I marvel at how much effort you have put into your railroad. It is a wonderful role model for the rest of us slackers. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55697	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Track cleaning car

Some time back, a few of us discussed the "dragger" type track cleaning car here on S Trains. This was an innovation of the late, great, HO model railroader, John Allen. It is basically a Masonite block which was dragged along with the "waffle" side down to clean dust off the tops of the rails and polish the rail heads clean during operation of his extensive HO empire. He used a fleet of these, one to a freight train, to clean track as he and friends operated the layout. I'm currently building one for my Gn15 modeling, and have built one or more for every scale that I've ever worked in except Z scale. Look in the PHOTOS section in the "Basher Stumpy" album to see how a dragger is built. (Other Gn15 projects and my S gauge railtruck are still in this album too.) Masonite is used for pegboard and is also known as hardboard. The block needs to be about the same width as the car and as long as will fit between the trucks. Regular flat sided wood such as plywood will work, though a bit less effectively. Round off the edges on the side that will ride on the rails so that it doesn't snag on switch points and such. I use the widest headed nails I can fit under the car to glue to the top of the cleaning block center line, fore and aft. Use the nails to algin the holes to be drilled in the car floor. These holes must be a bit larger than the nails to allow the block to "float." The car "drags" the unweighted block along, polishing the tops of the rails clean. The block doesn't need to be attached under the car as it floats along over any bumps in the track. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55698	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/16/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55699	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2009
Subject: Re: Mike's Barn

Gene, The Farmer does not have a cellphone or pocketphone as it is call in a song by Great Big Sea. You never know when the Farmer will have to make a call. ALL building will have a payphone in the end. My tribute to the greatest invention on the earth, IMO, the Phone Booth, especially when you hit the jack pot from the change return slot. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ecphora123 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mike's Barn Hi Mike, Like the barn, but in all seriousness why the phone booth? Did I miss that chapter in your odyssey. You certainly have some talented cows, especially if they are able to make calls. It would be interesting to know how they get coins in the slot. I'm just teasing you of course. I marvel at how much effort you have put into your railroad. It is a wonderful role model for the rest of us slackers. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55700	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Phone booths

Mike, With your love of phone booths,you need one of two things. A,a figure of Clark Kent entering a phone booth. B,a figure of Superman leaving a phone booth. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55701	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Video - My Original AF Set

Hi All, After having a hard drive crash and burn earlier in the week, I finally am back in the computer business. So I have posted a Youtube video of my original AF set. This was my one and only AF set and comprised my entire collection until 1975 when I stumbled on an AF set in the classified ads. You can check out the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVGrZrWP9I Listen at the 13 second mark for Sherlock Catt - he was mad he wasn't getting any camera time - lol! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55702	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Phone booths

Jerry, that is a possibility, but I am thinking more in the line of Gary Larson, creator of the Far Side, who has a love for cows. I will have a dull cow entering and a Super Chic Fil-A cow leaving. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: afjerryk5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Phone booths Mike, With your love of phone booths,you need one of two things. A,a figure of Clark Kent entering a phone booth. B,a figure of Superman leaving a phone booth. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55703	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Video - My Original AF Set

Beautiful passenger station! Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Video - My Original AF Set Hi All, After having a hard drive crash and burn earlier in the week, I finally am back in the computer business. So I have posted a Youtube video of my original AF set. This was my one and only AF set and comprised my entire collection until 1975 when I stumbled on an AF set in the classified ads. You can check out the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVGrZrWP9I Listen at the 13 second mark for Sherlock Catt - he was mad he wasn't getting any camera time - lol! BG1 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: 08/17/09 06:08:00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55704	From: len_hall	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Las Vegas Train Stores?

Where is the best place to find S gauge trains in Las Vegas? Len

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55705	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Video - My Original AF Set

I think Sherlock Catt could of tramatized the passengers at the Station (is there a white room in that station, ala Cream) and Sherlock Catt would been seen by millions of women and movie producers. Dave would have his hands busy answering the calls for more Sherlock Catt on Youtube, then the movies and many marriage proposals. Nice video Dave. I think it is time I listen to more Neil Young, singing "It's Only A Dream". LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55706	From: rdgroup427	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Train Stores?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "len_hall" <len_hall@...> wrote: > > Where is the best place to find S gauge trains in Las Vegas? > > Len >There is a train store East of Eastern which is the East side of McCarran Airport. Cannot remember the name of it. It is in more like an office/industrial area. The store sits right in line with the East West runaway jets are only about 150 feet above the store when they are coming in to land. They sell Lionel but if you ask to go back and see the AF selection it is in the back part of the store. They are listed in the yellow pages. Also they are only open in the afternoon. Should be easy to find in yellow pages under hobby shops.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55707	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: S-Ring - Going away

Friends, Please remove the S-Ring code from your websites. The page that handles the list will be going away soon. Got hacked once to many times. i am pulling the plug on that host. S-Scale and S-Trains sites will continue. (although s-scale.org may be off line for a while.) -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55708	From: rj4010d	Date: 8/17/2009
Subject: S Gauge Disappearing Train

S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkj3PNT9vqs Enjoy!!! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55709	From: Phil Edgley	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

I'd read about the classic Lionel Disappearing Train display layout in magazines over the years but I had never seen one in action. I doubt Lionel's train was pulling 20 cars into the tunnel. Wherever he is A.C. Gilbert must be smiling. That layout is amazing to watch, and I sure wish I had one, or even knew how to build one. ________________________________ From: rj4010d <bjg@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:55:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge Disappearing Train S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube com/watch? v=gkj3PNT9vqs Enjoy!!! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55710	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

Bob, This is great! Tell us more about it. What is the size? Can you put a diagrams in the photos or file section here? I have a portable 5x9 layout I have been running at shows for years and this may be a good replacement for that. Thanks for the video. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > > S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkj3PNT9vqs > > Enjoy!!! > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55711	From: Robert Conner	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

That is one really nice layout..... Not to long ago, CTT had an article about lionels layout.... pics and track plan... I still can see it, in my mind, at Coyle and Richardson's in Charleston at Christmas.... As a kid I watched and watched it.... every day after school I ran down there to see it..... Its simply an oval with a loop on one side that goes down and under the other side then back up and out the other side of the mountain that hides the loop.... It was playing up thier new magnatraction.... Bob --- On Tue, 8/18/09, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 8:23 AM   Bob, This is great! Tell us more about it. What is the size? Can you put a diagrams in the photos or file section here? I have a portable 5x9 layout I have been running at shows for years and this may be a good replacement for that. Thanks for the video. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > > S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=gkj3PNT9vqs > > Enjoy!!! > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55712	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Speaker for a Gilbert 481 Silver Flash PA

Do any of you have a speaker for a 481? Or have one that you recommend using? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55713	From: barb	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4574

Bull, Nice train video of your original set. Who produced the station? It's great. Barb -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Aug 18, 2009 7:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4574 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (9 Messages) 1a. Phone booths From: afjerryk5 1b. Re: Phone booths From: Michael and Linda Marmer 2a. Video - My Original AF Set From: Bull_Gator_1 2b. Re: Video - My Original AF Set From: Dave Highfield 2c. Re: Video - My Original AF Set From: Michael and Linda Marmer 3a. Las Vegas Train Stores? From: len_hall 3b. Re: Las Vegas Train Stores? From: rdgroup427 4. S-Ring - Going away From: Paul Yorke 5. S Gauge Disappearing Train From: rj4010d View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Phone booths Posted by: "afjerryk5" afjerryk5@... afjerryk5 Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:51 am (PDT) Mike, With your love of phone booths,you need one of two things. A,a figure of Clark Kent entering a phone booth. B,a figure of Superman leaving a phone booth. Jerry Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 1b. Re: Phone booths Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:55 am (PDT) Jerry, that is a possibility, but I am thinking more in the line of Gary Larson, creator of the Far Side, who has a love for cows. I will have a dull cow entering and a Super Chic Fil-A cow leaving. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: afjerryk5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Phone booths Mike, With your love of phone booths,you need one of two things. A,a figure of Clark Kent entering a phone booth. B,a figure of Superman leaving a phone booth. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2a. Video - My Original AF Set Posted by: "Bull_Gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1 Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:51 am (PDT) Hi All, After having a hard drive crash and burn earlier in the week, I finally am back in the computer business. So I have posted a Youtube video of my original AF set. This was my one and only AF set and comprised my entire collection until 1975 when I stumbled on an AF set in the classified ads. You can check out the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVGrZrWP9I Listen at the 13 second mark for Sherlock Catt - he was mad he wasn't getting any camera time - lol! BG1 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2b. Re: Video - My Original AF Set Posted by: "Dave Highfield" davidh@... davidhighf Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:11 am (PDT) Beautiful passenger station! Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Video - My Original AF Set Hi All, After having a hard drive crash and burn earlier in the week, I finally am back in the computer business. So I have posted a Youtube video of my original AF set. This was my one and only AF set and comprised my entire collection until 1975 when I stumbled on an AF set in the classified ads. You can check out the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVGrZrWP9I Listen at the 13 second mark for Sherlock Catt - he was mad he wasn't getting any camera time - lol! BG1 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: 08/17/09 06:08:00 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2c. Re: Video - My Original AF Set Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:29 am (PDT) I think Sherlock Catt could of tramatized the passengers at the Station (is there a white room in that station, ala Cream) and Sherlock Catt would been seen by millions of women and movie producers. Dave would have his hands busy answering the calls for more Sherlock Catt on Youtube, then the movies and many marriage proposals. Nice video Dave. I think it is time I listen to more Neil Young, singing "It's Only A Dream". LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 3a. Las Vegas Train Stores? Posted by: "len_hall" len_hall@... len_hall Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:29 am (PDT) Where is the best place to find S gauge trains in Las Vegas? Len Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 3b. Re: Las Vegas Train Stores? Posted by: "rdgroup427" rdgroup427@... rdgroup427 Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:25 am (PDT) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "len_hall" <len_hall@...> wrote: > > Where is the best place to find S gauge trains in Las Vegas? > > Len >There is a train store East of Eastern which is the East side of McCarran Airport. Cannot remember the name of it. It is in more like an office/industrial area. The store sits right in line with the East West runaway jets are only about 150 feet above the store when they are coming in to land. They sell Lionel but if you ask to go back and see the AF selection it is in the back part of the store. They are listed in the yellow pages. Also they are only open in the afternoon. Should be easy to find in yellow pages under hobby shops. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 4. S-Ring - Going away Posted by: "Paul Yorke" s_trains@... s_trains Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:06 pm (PDT) Friends, Please remove the S-Ring code from your websites. The page that handles the list will be going away soon. Got hacked once to many times. i am pulling the plug on that host. S-Scale and S-Trains sites will continue. (although s-scale.org may be off line for a while.) -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 5. S Gauge Disappearing Train Posted by: "rj4010d" bjg@... rj4010d Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:28 pm (PDT) S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkj3PNT9vqs Enjoy!!! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55714	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Train Stores?

I have been to that store. It's fabulous, and I also discovered it in the Las Vegas yellow pages. I purchased hard-to-find cars there that were 70% less than what is being charged for the same units on the east coast. In a message dated 8/17/2009 1:26:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rdgroup427@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "len_hall" <len_hall@..l> wrote: > > Where is the best place to find S gauge trains in Las Vegas? > > Len >There is a train store East of Eastern which is the East side of McCarran Airport. Cannot remember the name of it. It is in more like an office/industrial area. The store sits right in line with the East West runaway jets are only about 150 feet above the store when they are coming in to land. They sell Lionel but if you ask to go back and see the AF selection it is in the back part of the store. They are listed in the yellow pages. Also they are only open in the afternoon. Should be easy to find in yellow pages under hobby shops. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55715	From: michael prell	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

Aw Darn! I thought it was done with smoke @ mirrors! Or maybe it got beamed up! They're everywhere you know. <{:>)==== Mike-I See Everything Twice-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:13 AM   That is one really nice layout..... Not to long ago, CTT had an article about lionels layout.... pics and track plan... I still can see it, in my mind, at Coyle and Richardson's in Charleston at Christmas... . As a kid I watched and watched it.... every day after school I ran down there to see it..... Its simply an oval with a loop on one side that goes down and under the other side then back up and out the other side of the mountain that hides the loop.... It was playing up thier new magnatraction. ... Bob --- On Tue, 8/18/09, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@ comcast.net> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@ comcast.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 8:23 AM   Bob, This is great! Tell us more about it. What is the size? Can you put a diagrams in the photos or file section here? I have a portable 5x9 layout I have been running at shows for years and this may be a good replacement for that. Thanks for the video. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > > S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=gkj3PNT9vqs > > Enjoy!!! > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55716	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S-Ring - Going away

OK, I did it. This is a new computer and I found that I needed to install the grep program to be sure I had stamped all of those references out. It is a sad day when we must lose a helpful way to connect with our colleagues because of vandals. In any case, thanks for the efforts, Paul, and I hope you have good memories of that part of it. For those who may not have visited the S-Ring lately or who have not surfed the member sites, you can see some stuff about my layout(s) and projects at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/ Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Yorke Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:54 PM To: slist Subject: [S-Trains] S-Ring - Going away Friends, Please remove the S-Ring code from your websites. The page that handles the list will be going away soon. Got hacked once to many times. i am pulling the plug on that host. S-Scale and S-Trains sites will continue. (although s-scale.org may be off line for a while.) -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55717	From: michael prell	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

Bob! Now we know what happened to Poor Old Charlie. He ain't riding forever 'neath the streets of Boston. Heck no! He hopped a fast fraight and left for the mountains,never to return! Great stuff. Thanks! Mike-Sweltering In Syracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 8/17/09, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge Disappearing Train To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 8:55 PM   S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube com/watch? v=gkj3PNT9vqs Enjoy!!! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55718	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: How To Solder Track?

- GreetingS - Alan recently asked about soldering connectors to AF track. My preference for AF track as well as Gargraves is to first turn the track up-down before affixing it to the table, use a box cutter or similar sharp, sturdy knife to open a small gap in the center of the bottom of the rail, and insert a thin piece of brass. One source is brass cut from exterior door weather- stripping. Leave exposed just enough to attach by soldering a piece of copper wire. This wire should be a couple of inches long and maybe #22, stranded rather than solid. The bus may be #16 and run beside the track or underneath the table; one bus for each side of the track. If the track is on modular tables, tying the buses together is simple with banana plugs and sockets, with Cinch-Jones connectors, or with Anderson power-pole connectors (30 A size). Anderson connectors may be cemented together in any combination you find useful. For a modular assembly, use stranded wire for the buses. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55719	From: Mellon, Jay	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Report on 2009 NASG Convention in St. Louis

All, As has become my habit when attending a major S gathering, I will present a report of my experiences. This report is by no means meant to be all inclusive. Vendors/Exhibitors Alan Evans - AT LAST, the long-awaited NASG-sponsored brick "modular" building was available (Banta Models production). I picked up one of these kits. After NASG has sold its allotment (100 kits), availability/sales will revert to Banta. Tom Henderson - Had lots of SHS product. Plus, he had some old production Downs tank cars. I couldn't resist acquiring some of his freight equipment. Hoquat Hobbies - Jeff had a good selection of S goodies. I picked up some freight car brake detail parts. Jeff Madden - Had his usual selection of S scale vehicles. M.L.W. Services - Andy Mallette had his latest kit there (CN combination car). Contact him for discussion of proposed S scale models of Canadian prototype. Michigan Models - Tom Hawley had a very complete selection of S inventory (AM, SHS, etc.). I picked up a SMMW flat car kit I had been looking for. Portlines Hobbies - The Pecks had their usual plethora of S merchandise available. I picked up some new (to me) Dallee LED light units. River Raisin Models - Dan Navarre had examples of his beautiful SP Mikes and 2-10-2s on display. Plus, detailed drawings for the SP "Mountain" project which is a GO. He also is still soliciting deposits for the gorgeous N&W J loco. If interested, you should contact Dan ASAP (looking like a NO GO as of 2 weeks ago). S Helper Service - Don, Robin and Mike couldn't make it to St. Louis, but Will Holt did a nice job of filling in. The brand new wood reefers had just arrived and were available. Scenery Unlimited - Had a good selection of books and other S stuff. I picked up a special run wood reefer (SHS production). Stoneworks - E.K. Parson brought some of his structure work using hydrocal walls. Excellent brickwork, stone, etc. I don't think anything is commercially available yet (?). The Supply Car - Bob McCarthy had some wooden roof stock for heavywgt. passenger cars that seemed to be "moving" nicely. He is actively pursuing the production of wanted steam locomotives in S scale. This collection of S vendors is one of the major resources available at a S gathering. I managed to acquire an Omnicon 2-8-0 steam engine (MoPac prototype) that I had been searching for, plus some MoPac heavywgt. cars (AM production). There was also a tool vendor there, so, naturally, I had to pick up some additional modeling tools. There was also LOTS of AF product available, both Gilbert era and Flyonel production. In that respect, this convention reminded me of an S Fest. I was a bit disappointed to learn that American Models, BTS, and Desplaines Hobbies would miss this one. But, not to worry...Michigan Models had plenty of AM/SSA product. Welcoming Reception - A low key affair allowing attendees the opportunity to catch up with old friends. I had the pleasure of making some new friends. Rusty Westermeier and I had an enjoyable dinner where we discussed S news/stories. I also made the acquaintance of Bob McCarthy (The Supply Car) and his wife. Bob is very enthusiastic about the pursuit of needed S models (locos). Clinics - Another one of my convention goals was to catch some clinics. Jeff English did a great job of filling in for Jerry Porter on Freight Cars. Rusty Westermeier gave us a primer on tools he finds essential for scratchbuilding. Dick Karnes did an admirable job of filling in for Bill Fraley in the Yahoo S List clinic. The Hershey chocolate bars were tasty too. Dick also gave us a thorough discussion of his easy technique for building rail crossings. Bob Hogan's clinic on building smooth-sided passenger cars had "standing room" only. Where else can you find this kind of S modeling expertise? Tours - I didn't partake of any of the available rail tours, as I had experienced most on a previous trip to St. Louis. But, I did go on one layout tour. We had the pleasure of taking in some excellent Sn3 modeling by Randy Meyer and John Kalin. The Kalin layout especially evoked the wide open spaces of Colorado narrow gauge railroading. I had seen Eric Brooman's layout (HO) in a feature magazine article. It was a thrill to see it in person. I especially enjoyed seeing his modeling of desert flora (e.g. ocotillo). And a number of folks advised me to see the S scale layout (standard gauge) of Bob and Randy Jackson. Although it was a 100-mile trip from St. Louis to Springfield, IL (opposite direction from my return trip), I certainly didn't regret making the trip to see this layout on the day after the convention ended. This layout depicts the Santa Fe and Southern Pacific roads in a transition era Central California location. Just some gorgeous modeling on this layout. It was also a real thrill to see brass models I remember from ads (e.g. SWM "Cab Forward"; River Raisin's SP Mike, 2-10-2, and EMD FT diesels) operating flawlessly. I was so "jazzed" after seeing the Jackson layout that, upon arriving home, I launched into continued track-laying on my own layout. Other 'S'tuff - Making a decided switch from last year's brief meeting, this year's General Business Meeting lasted 2 hours, with a lengthy discussion of NASG election procedures. But, just like last year, Andy Mallette and Dave Heine serenaded us during the "Happy Hour" preceding the banquet. Food and company during dinner were excellent. The model contest was pretty much "The Bob Hogan Show". I suspect there will be some Bob Werre photos of the winning models published in the Dispatch. It was also nice to see Jeff Madden honored for his service as Editor of the Dispatch. Every NASG convention is a bit different. Last year, there was "tons" of interesting items in the auctions. This year, there was considerably less. But, not to worry, Auctioneer Jamie Bothwell came to the rescue with the opportunity to acquire S scale "zombies". Due to fewer than planned-for attendees, convention finances appeared to be running "in the red". Thus, Earl Henry made a gracious donation of some prints of his father's art work of birds (think Audubon), with all derived proceeds going to help remedy the deficit. I was fortunate to make a winning bid on a print of Ruby-Throated Hummingbirds that has become a gift for a special friend (also a bird lover). So, how would I rate this convention? Very Good. I had a great time. Where else could I "pick the brain" of Lee Johnson for details of S history? Where else could I witness the meeting of Great S Minds (DC Proponent Bob Nicholson vs.. DCC Proponent Dick Karnes)? :-) And when it appeared there would be no NASG convention in 2009, Jim & Annette Bresnahan, Gary Brandenburger and Jack Riely came to the rescue to provide one. We, the fortunate beneficiaries of their efforts, thank them profusely. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55720	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

any way to ghe this to the S-fest in Rockford,IL ? --- On Sun, 8/16/09, amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote: From: amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Knuckle and Link To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:46 PM   Hi Don, Tried to e-mail Stuart @ address provided, but it was rejected. Please check if address is correcty. Thanks, Pete Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: af2rail Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:33 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Knuckle and Link To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Mark, > An AF operator here in California has invented an adaptor so it > is not necessary to do any mechanical conversions. He premiered > his product at our Flyer Fest West in May and, I believe, there > will be an article in the upcoming, or next, S Gaugian. If you > email Stuart at this email address, I am sure he will send > photos and further information: > swbaugherjr@ bak.rr.com > > Don Rosa > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "wisner_mark" > wrote:> > > Need to create a car that has a knuckle coupler on on end and > a link on the other. > > To replace a link with a knuckle do I have to replace the > entire truck. ( wheel and coupler assy.) Currently my locos all > have knuckle type couplers. Is the swap difficult? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55721	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Breaking News

And a Flyer man is S, and other Flyer fields such as 0, H0, and the Standard (wide) but I am not into standard.  But I like trains, and photographing them.  --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Breaking News To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 11:43 AM   Seems to me that the main thing we all agree on is trains, and S-scale/gauge trains in particular. IMHO, our group is a microcosm of what is REALLY wrong with America today. It is not ³Them² or ³The others² or...name your group. It is our inability to focus on what we have in common more than on our differences. Thanks to some very skillful groups and individuals who have have developed the ³divide and conquer² technique to an art form, it seems all we can do is shout at each other. Just a gentle suggestion for us all: How about we spend more time and energy with a two-rail loop of track and some Flyer/Flyonel/ SHS/AM, etc., running around it. Respectfully submitted, Roy, setting up his loop now in Lenexa, KS, Inman on 8/16/09 10:03 AM, Robert Conner at rcon7@bellsouth. net wrote: > > > > > I am kinda shocked.... When I saw the PROFANITY about GOD I stopped at that > point.... I didn't think it was approaite on this site.... I am a Christian > and I don't cuss..... Now if it had said F#*% Obama that wouuld have been ok > !!!!!... Bob > > --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net > <mailto:mrstumpy% 40comcast. net> > wrote: > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net <mailto:mrstumpy% 40comcast. net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Breaking News > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:11 AM > >   > > Sick and twisted...or creative and humorous? Either way, I don't think too > many people are offended. At our ages, most of us either have been through a > nasty divorce or know someone who has, and we understand. > Besides, with all the bad news in the world today, humor IS the best medicine. > Besides, it WAS train related! ;-) > I sent this around to many pf my e-mail friends as soon as you sent it by > e-mail originally! (There is one who IS in a nasty divorce, so not knowing > which of the combatants would read it first and get ideas, I skipped them.) > Stumpy Stone...certified sick and twisted in Appalachia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55722	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Layout Update

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1033302016/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=321&count=20&dir=asc Apple Orchard and two trees are on the layout. The apple orchard is Strickland's Apple Orchard. I trimmed the white base for the baseball field flag pole and painted remaining base concrete. Packaging for the trees was done by individual tree and well protected. Grass mat is down for the Whistle stop building and the track will be re-ballasted tonight, while listening to the Washington Nationals game. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55723	From: af2rail	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: Knuckle and Link

Mike, I understand there is an article in the upcoming S Gaugian about these adaptors.The link I provided to Stuarts email address should be working as I know some have already contacted him. P.S. I will be attending S Fest. Don Rosa --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > any way to ghe this to the S-fest in Rockford,IL ? > > --- On Sun, 8/16/09, amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote: > > > From: amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Knuckle and Link > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:46 PM > > >   > > > > Hi Don, > > Tried to e-mail Stuart @ address provided, but it was rejected. Please check if address is correcty. > > Thanks, Pete Henningsen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: af2rail > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:33 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Knuckle and Link > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > Mark, > > An AF operator here in California has invented an adaptor so it > > is not necessary to do any mechanical conversions. He premiered > > his product at our Flyer Fest West in May and, I believe, there > > will be an article in the upcoming, or next, S Gaugian. If you > > email Stuart at this email address, I am sure he will send > > photos and further information: > > swbaugherjr@ bak.rr.com > > > > Don Rosa > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "wisner_mark" > > wrote:> > > > Need to create a car that has a knuckle coupler on on end and > > a link on the other. > > > To replace a link with a knuckle do I have to replace the > > entire truck. ( wheel and coupler assy.) Currently my locos all > > have knuckle type couplers. Is the swap difficult? > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55724	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: S Gauge Disappearing Train

Great Video!! I have the plans to build one, just haven't gotten started, yet. Hope to soon, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55725	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

Ok, so how did they do that? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55726	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/18/2009
Subject: How To Recover Lost Train Files

Hi All, I mentioned my computer hard drive crashed last Friday. Upon trying to boot it would click three times then you could hear the drive spin down. I took it to a local computer professional who tried to boot it and said it would need to be disassembled in a clean room to recover any data - starting price $500 if no data could be recovered up to $3000 to recover everything. No thank you. The second stop was the Geek Squad at Best Buy. They had it for 4 hours and came back with the same story. No thank you. I bought a new computer but didn't want to give up on the old hard drive even though most of the files were backed up anyway. So I goggled "restore hard drive" and read several posts that said - stick it in the freezer overnight. Yeah - right! Well after being in the freezer for 24 hours I took it out and re-installed it. After thinking how incredibly stupid this seemed, I hit the computer start button and the drive jumped back to life. It booted and I recovered the few files I didn't have backed up plus almost 5 gigs of Itune stuff my wife had not backed up! So if your hard drive crashes and you need your train files back - if you're brave enough just throw it in the freezer! Or if you live near Stumpy and it's winter just sit it outside overnight - lol. If it works - fine. If not or it gets even more damage - I'm not responsible! As someone here is fond of saying - your mileage may vary! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55727	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Gilbert brake wheels

Are the brake wheels the same on all the 900-series Gilbert cars?  In particular, 982 boxcar, 924 hopper,  929 stock car, and 930 caboose. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55728	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

and he notes - Simple - Two identical trains on a figure eight with one half of the trackage hidden behind the backdrop. Timing is the trick - as soon as the caboose on train number one clears the crossover train number two is in the clear to continue the 'run'. It's an old carnival ride gimmick and to the observer it looks like one train. The tunnel conceals the 'razzle dazzle' and of course the locomotives must run at exactly the same speed. I would presume that a few trial runs were necessary to figure out how much track was necessary to avoid collisions. Raleigh in steamy Mainey... At 09:40 PM 8/18/2009, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > >Ok, so how did they do that? > >Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55729	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Pinhead Baseball

Conversation with a fan of Pinhead baseball who plays at S Helper Field on my layout who is on my list of emailers. Mike ******************************************************************************************************* the Pinheads must be losing a lot of money, because Dingburgians apparently can walk right into the ballpark for free. I hope you have plans for a nice, grandiose entrance, with turnstiles and ticket booths and of course a bronze statue of Mosquito Rodriguez on the sidewalk. ******************************************************************************************************** The government has given the Pinheads Baseball Club a grant of 4,023,009 pesos so that they can continue to play while meeting expensive. Admission is free, but concessions will cost you a arm and a leg. LOL *************************************************************************************** A little bit of Dingburg history - the Pinheads were apparently started as a triple-B farm team for players who were not quite competitive enough for the South Carolina Alley Cats. The founding manager, Jose' Tory, received $2000 in seed money from Mrs. Ruth Griffith, great-great aunt of the cartoonist. He blew most of it on booze and women at Sindbad's, and the Pinheads might not have had an opening season at all if he hadn't acquired two acres of abandoned land adjacent to the D&KRR's yards by adverse possession. However, the lousy two grand did give him a semi-legitimate basis for referring to S Helper Field as "the house that Ruth built". ************************************************************************************************************ I hear that Pinhead baseball cards are very rare. ********************************************************************************************* That's true, because the team was so lousy, Fleer wouldn't use their pictures in packs of bubble gum. Tory finally persuaded a local dairy to print the cards on waxed milk cartons. You got one player on the half-pint carton sold in school cafeterias; two players on the quart-sized carton, and three on a half-gallon. Milk cartons don't normally rate four-color printing, but this project was subsidized by a grant from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Players' parents had to sign affidavits stating that the kids were under 18 and were lost. The former was a lie, but the latter had a ring of credibility. Pinhead cards have become valuable because so few of them survived. Junior high school kids liked them, but couldn't cut them from the milk carton because the cafeteria monitor used a metal detector and confiscated knives and scissors. The school only allowed a 23-minute lunch period, so most kids crumpled the cartons and threw them away anyway. Some kids managed to salvage Pinheads cards from their home refrigerators, only to have their mothers discard them after the stench of soured milk began drawing flies. Some of those flies made it into Gilbert microscope sets, but the cards themselves were lost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55730	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised

and he re-notes - Hmmm... the more I look at the video the figure eight is actually a continuous loop with the hidden part beneath the layout as there appears to be no room behind the backdrop for the hidden trackage. Very clever - train number one enters the tunnel on the downward track while train number two is running around underneath and appears on the upward track a few seconds after number one's caboose disappears in the tunnel. Lionel had a display layout like this back in the good ol' days and is essentially two trains on the same track. Raleigh in humideous Maine... At 09:40 PM 8/18/2009, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: >Ok, so how did they do that? > >Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55731	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files

BG1: I'm glad that fix worked out. It's the first time I've heard of that one. The one I used to use with much success on PC hard drives was remove the drive, pick it up to about 6 inches off the desk and drop it on the desk. Nothing fancy just a flat drop. Then you reconnect the drive and immediatly back it up. You had about 15 minutes before it started to fail again. I'm an computer engineer that goes back to mainframes and punch cards. The younger engineers I work with laugh when I tell them I used to work on 50Meg drives that weighed 200lbs.! Never tried the drop test on one of those though. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>: -------------- Hi All, I mentioned my computer hard drive crashed last Friday. Upon trying to boot it would click three times then you could hear the drive spin down. I took it to a local computer professional who tried to boot it and said it would need to be disassembled in a clean room to recover any data - starting price $500 if no data could be recovered up to $3000 to recover everything. No thank you. The second stop was the Geek Squad at Best Buy. They had it for 4 hours and came back with the same story. No thank you. I bought a new computer but didn't want to give up on the old hard drive even though most of the files were backed up anyway. So I goggled "restore hard drive" and read several posts that said - stick it in the freezer overnight. Yeah - right! Well after being in the freezer for 24 hours I took it out and re-installed it. After thinking how incredibly stupid this seemed, I hit the computer start button and the drive jumped back to life. It booted and I recovered the few files I didn't have backed up plus almost 5 gigs of Itune stuff my wife had not backed up! So if your hard drive crashes and you need your train files back - if you're brave enough just throw it in the freezer! Or if you live near Stumpy and it's winter just sit it outside overnight - lol. If it works - fine. If not or it gets even more damage - I'm not responsible! As someone here is fond of saying - your mileage may vary! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55732	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Final S-Ring members - Please bookmark

*Site Name**Site ID*S-Trains - S-Scale & S-Gauge Site <http://s-trains.com/> 0My Flyer Trains <http://myflyertrains.org/> 1Badgerland S-Gaugers <http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/> 2S Gauge Trains-4-u <http://www.trains-4-u.com/> 3The Kueppers - Dick & Nancy <http://www.rkuepper.com/> 4William P. Porter's Home Page <http://wpporter.duckburg.us/> 5S Buyers Guide and Hobby Shop List <http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/links.html> 6The Upstairs Train <http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain> 7Penn Western (Roy Hoffman) <http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/> 8AF Train Master <http://aftrainmaster.com/> 9Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains <http://sns-trains.com/albums/main.php> 10David Blum's American Flyer Trains <http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> 11Minnesota Heartland Railroad <http://trainweb.org/mhrr> 12Proto:64 Special Interest Group <http://trainweb.org/proto64> 13Carl's S Gauge Empire <http://www.tuveson.com/> 14S Scale Model Railway Society <http://www.s-scale.org.uk/> 15Port Lines Hobby Supply <http://www.portlines.com/> 16American Flyer 'S' Gaugers of the St. Louis Area <http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla/> 17OPEN SPOT <http://s-scale.org/s_ring17_19.php> 18Clever Models <http://www.clevermodels.com/> 19OPEN SPOT <http://s-scale.org/s_ring19_21.php> 20Joel's Train Room <http://joelstrainroom.com/> 21Stephen Rabone's S Scale pages <http://www.geocities.com/sscale2000/> 22The All Aboard Scenic Panel Sets <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/> 23S-Scale.org - The interactive part of S-Trains <http://s-scale.org/> 24 -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55733	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Gilbert brake wheels

Hi Robert,                   900 series box cars in 1953 use a PA8963 Cast Brakewheel with a S-253 Drive Pin.  A 924 JC Covered Hopper will use this same brakewheel.  1954 and up uses a plastic brakewheel with shaft PA12C666.                                            Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert brake wheels To: s-trains@... Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:10 PM   Are the brake wheels the same on all the 900-series Gilbert cars? In particular, 982 boxcar, 924 hopper, 929 stock car, and 930 caboose. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55734	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Pinhead Baseball

Great story Mike! This shows the imagination and creativity that can be a big part of model railroding and playing with toy trains! The late, great John Allen, one of the masters of the hobby in HO many years ago, taught that imagination was as important as knowing the prototype to the hobby. His railway was called the Gorre & Dephetid (gory and defeated), and he had a whole story about why the railroad was what it was. He was also a great fan of steam locomotives, so he had a "diesel salesman" hung from a trestle, lynched by railroad officials. He had a Stegosaurus switching cars at the Gorre yard, two extremely fat guys known as the "Sorfeetz Brothers" who rode only swayback cars, and many other humorous tid-bits on his extensive layout. And he created a story for everything. Sadly, Allen died of a heart attack only months before completing the huge, basement filling empire. But through his many photos and magazine articles, his style remains with those of us fortunate enough to have seen them. A bit of humor and a good story can make even a small layout "bigger than life." Stumpy Stone...story teller in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55735	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files

You were lucky..........doesn't always work. I asked one of my sons about this, as he is a Geek Squad District Supervisor. He wrote me back this--- <<<I used to do this all the time...... Companies cannot do this as it is not a recognized method, and can cause further damage to the unit, so neither Geek Squad or any other competent repair shop would use this as an option >>> But in your case, it paid off. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyt, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I mentioned my computer hard drive crashed last Friday. Upon trying to boot it would click three times then you could hear the drive spin down. I took it to a local computer professional who tried to boot it and said it would need to be disassembled in a clean room to recover any data - starting price $500 if no data could be recovered up to $3000 to recover everything. No thank you. > > The second stop was the Geek Squad at Best Buy. They had it for 4 hours and came back with the same story. No thank you. > > I bought a new computer but didn't want to give up on the old hard drive even though most of the files were backed up anyway. So I goggled "restore hard drive" and read several posts that said - stick it in the freezer overnight. Yeah - right! Well after being in the freezer for 24 hours I took it out and re-installed it. After thinking how incredibly stupid this seemed, I hit the computer start button and the drive jumped back to life. It booted and I recovered the few files I didn't have backed up plus almost 5 gigs of Itune stuff my wife had not backed up! > > So if your hard drive crashes and you need your train files back - if you're brave enough just throw it in the freezer! Or if you live near Stumpy and it's winter just sit it outside overnight - lol. If it works - fine. If not or it gets even more damage - I'm not responsible! As someone here is fond of saying - your mileage may vary! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55736	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Pinhead Baseball

Thanks Stumpy and thanks for the story on the other person. I can not take full credit for the email I sent, as I have someone who wrote most of that and to think he is a O guager and a college professor. Wish I had a college professor like him in my days at U of MD. I am trying to put a little humor into my layout, as you can probably tell from past stories and the cast of characters that live in the D&K RR Company Town. The D&K RR Co. Town baseball team are the Pinheads, which I have taken from one of my favorite comics, Zippy the Pinhead. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Pinhead Baseball Great story Mike! This shows the imagination and creativity that can be a big part of model railroding and playing with toy trains! The late, great John Allen, one of the masters of the hobby in HO many years ago, taught that imagination was as important as knowing the prototype to the hobby. His railway was called the Gorre & Dephetid (gory and defeated), and he had a whole story about why the railroad was what it was. He was also a great fan of steam locomotives, so he had a "diesel salesman" hung from a trestle, lynched by railroad officials. He had a Stegosaurus switching cars at the Gorre yard, two extremely fat guys known as the "Sorfeetz Brothers" who rode only swayback cars, and many other humorous tid-bits on his extensive layout. And he created a story for everything. Sadly, Allen died of a heart attack only months before completing the huge, basement filling empire. But through his many photos and magazine articles, his style remains with those of us fortunate enough to have seen them. A bit of humor and a good story can make even a small layout "bigger than life." Stumpy Stone...story teller in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55737	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files

Just after I posted my last message about this, I also got a reply back from my other son.....he's a network administrator. He said---- <<<Have used this trick several times. Once, even after being in the freezer, I wasn't getting enough run time before it heated up so I couldn't get the drive copied, so I threw the whole computer in a walk-in freezer. I snaked the cables out the door and sat outside the freezer copying the drive >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I mentioned my computer hard drive crashed last Friday. Upon trying to boot it would click three times then you could hear the drive spin down. I took it to a local computer professional who tried to boot it and said it would need to be disassembled in a clean room to recover any data - starting price $500 if no data could be recovered up to $3000 to recover everything. No thank you. > > The second stop was the Geek Squad at Best Buy. They had it for 4 hours and came back with the same story. No thank you. > > I bought a new computer but didn't want to give up on the old hard drive even though most of the files were backed up anyway. So I goggled "restore hard drive" and read several posts that said - stick it in the freezer overnight. Yeah - right! Well after being in the freezer for 24 hours I took it out and re-installed it. After thinking how incredibly stupid this seemed, I hit the computer start button and the drive jumped back to life. It booted and I recovered the few files I didn't have backed up plus almost 5 gigs of Itune stuff my wife had not backed up! > > So if your hard drive crashes and you need your train files back - if you're brave enough just throw it in the freezer! Or if you live near Stumpy and it's winter just sit it outside overnight - lol. If it works - fine. If not or it gets even more damage - I'm not responsible! As someone here is fond of saying - your mileage may vary! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55738	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Speaker for a Gilbert 481 Silver Flash PA

I haven't tried the speaker yet, but i bought a 16 ohm, mini speaker at radio shack.  It was not very expensive. I was going to experiment and check if it worked.  It is quite small, a lil over 1" diameter.  Has anyone ever tried it out on flyer??   Al --- On Tue, 8/18/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Speaker for a Gilbert 481 Silver Flash PA To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 8:22 AM   Do any of you have a speaker for a 481? Or have one that you recommend using? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55739	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: How To Recover Lost Train Files

Hi Doug, That's priceless. I think I'l tell my wife there is more of her Ipod data we need to recover but I'll need to stick the entire computer in the freezer. And since it's her data she will need to keep reaching in to run the file transfers to CDs!!!!!!!!!!!!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > Just after I posted my last message about this, I also got a reply back from my other son.....he's a network administrator. He said---- > > <<<Have used this trick several times. Once, even after being in the freezer, I wasn't getting enough run time before it heated up so I couldn't get the drive copied, so I threw the whole computer in a walk-in freezer. I snaked the cables out the door and sat outside the freezer copying the drive > > >>> > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > www.flyerparts.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I mentioned my computer hard drive crashed last Friday. Upon trying to boot it would click three times then you could hear the drive spin down. I took it to a local computer professional who tried to boot it and said it would need to be disassembled in a clean room to recover any data - starting price $500 if no data could be recovered up to $3000 to recover everything. No thank you. > > > > The second stop was the Geek Squad at Best Buy. They had it for 4 hours and came back with the same story. No thank you. > > > > I bought a new computer but didn't want to give up on the old hard drive even though most of the files were backed up anyway. So I goggled "restore hard drive" and read several posts that said - stick it in the freezer overnight. Yeah - right! Well after being in the freezer for 24 hours I took it out and re-installed it. After thinking how incredibly stupid this seemed, I hit the computer start button and the drive jumped back to life. It booted and I recovered the few files I didn't have backed up plus almost 5 gigs of Itune stuff my wife had not backed up! > > > > So if your hard drive crashes and you need your train files back - if you're brave enough just throw it in the freezer! Or if you live near Stumpy and it's winter just sit it outside overnight - lol. If it works - fine. If not or it gets even more damage - I'm not responsible! As someone here is fond of saying - your mileage may vary! > > > > BG1 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55740	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised

I saw this in a hobby shop window in Amarillo TX when I was a kid. It looked like an oval with a tunnel on the straight section. The train ran clockwise. But just as the train entered the tunnel, it took a slight turn to the right (toward the inside of the oval) and immediately began a descent to another oval hidden under the top track board. When the train nearly completed the lower oval, it began an ascent (at a slight angle with respect to the apparent straight track in the tunnel), making a little left turn just before exiting the tunnel to bring it back onto line with the top surface straight track. Just to clarify, inside the tunnel, you might imagine starting with a straight track that goes through tunnel. But at the halfway point in the tunnel, cut the track and bend/curve the cut ends away from each other from each other just enough to be able to connect more track to the cut ends (which have to be trimmed a little bit after curving them. The track sections you attach to the cut ends are both sloped downward, as steeply as the train's traction will allow (Magnetraction helps!!). Those are the sloping tracks that connect with the lower oval. The tunnel wasn't long enough to completely hide the action, but it was relatively short, and it sure looked cool!! JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55741	From: herbw202	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised

That's exactly what Lionel did on their department store displays when they introduced Magnetraction. I remember how dramatic an event it was when I first saw it in Macy's. Only they hid it completely. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@...> wrote: > > I saw this in a hobby shop window in Amarillo TX when I was a kid. It > looked like an oval with a tunnel on the straight section. The train ran > clockwise. But just as the train entered the tunnel, it took a slight > turn to the right (toward the inside of the oval) and immediately began > a descent to another oval hidden under the top track board. When the > train nearly completed the lower oval, it began an ascent (at a slight > angle with respect to the apparent straight track in the tunnel), making > a little left turn just before exiting the tunnel to bring it back onto > line with the top surface straight track. > > Just to clarify, inside the tunnel, you might imagine starting with a > straight track that goes through tunnel. But at the halfway point in the > tunnel, cut the track and bend/curve the cut ends away from each other > from each other just enough to be able to connect more track to the cut > ends (which have to be trimmed a little bit after curving them. The > track sections you attach to the cut ends are both sloped downward, as > steeply as the train's traction will allow (Magnetraction helps!!). > Those are the sloping tracks that connect with the lower oval. > > The tunnel wasn't long enough to completely hide the action, but it was > relatively short, and it sure looked cool!! JimA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55742	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Phone Booths in Barns

Glenn Ritter mentioned Mike's thread on farm phone booths at our PVMR gathering this forenoon, and Mike and Glenn are both RIGHT ON. Almost every farm (NON Amish) in Lancaster Co, PA has at least one phone in the barn, often several. Fastest way to call Veterinarian, Emergency help, feed dealer, etc. Many if not all the Amish have "phone booths" resembling wooden "facilities" somewhere on the property, NOT in the home or barn, TOO convenient that way. Several years ago, a "new" farm was split from an "old" farm, new house, new barn AND until the shed was built, the local phone co dropped a wire down a pole, installed a jack and then whoever in the family had to make a call, carried a phone to the pole, plugged it in, leaned on the pole and dialed away. They now have a shed. Several families sometimes go together with one shed and share the expense of the phone. Long distance is sometimes an issue. Many Amish also have cell phones in someone elses' names. Many also have their computers and their toy and model train layouts, powered by batteries and inverters, with solar now leading the way to charge the batteries. Jim " ready to run the wires" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55743	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Phone Booths in Barns

Joe, I know of a LIONEL layout in Lebanon Co, PA, fair number of HO layouts around here, quietly running off of the inverter and a carriage (deep cycle Marine) battery. Can take pics of Amish if NOT including their faces. Younger ones have cell phones with cameras and digital cameras, cars, boats, etc. AMAZING that most of the young stay in the church, a major concern for the elders. Prox 5 yrs ago, I wired an Amish "Clubhouse", with big screen TV, computer with Comcast, pool table, bar, refrigerator, microwave, etc. Kids give most if not all of that up when they join the church, usually around 21 or a female comes into the picture. You'll NEVER find the clubhouse, yet it is plain view. Amish have a GREAT interest in railroads, some families had relatives that worked for PRR. One passed his burning barn in Gordonville, PA, ( on the KEYSTONE Main) on his way to Harrisburg with a fast freight ( he was the engineer) he took his train in, "tied it up" and caught the next eastbound to get back to his home. Jim "livin" on the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 8/19/2009 4:48:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Joseph.Lechner@... writes: >>> <WJJIM@...> 8/19/2009 4:36 PM >>> Many Amish have their computers and their toy and model train layouts, powered by batteries and inverters, with solar now leading the way to charge the batteries. Jim, I'd love to see an Amish solar-powered toy train layout. Got pictures? Of course, the Amish also shun cameras, as does Eastern Division. Joseph H. Lechner, Ph.D. Professor of Chemistry Mount Vernon Nazarene University 800 Martinsburg Road Mount Vernon, OH 43050-9500 [740] 397-9000 extension 3211 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55744	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: GG1 For Sale...

I have an AM Pennsylvania GG1 for sale for $225 including shipping. This is a five-striped in Tuscan with #4876. Scale flanges and talgo-mounted 802s. Original AM couplers are also in the box. This engine has been test-run only and is just short of NIB. No high-rail wheels included. If interested, contact off-list at cujoacat@.... No response to on-list replies. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55745	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised

I saw this in a hobby shop window in Amarillo TX when I was a kid. It looked like an oval with a tunnel on the straight section. The train ran clockwise. But just as the train entered the tunnel, it took a slight turn to the right (toward the inside of the oval) and immediately began a descent to another oval hidden under the top track board. When the train nearly completed the lower oval, it began an ascent (at a slight angle with respect to the apparent straight track in the tunnel), making a little left turn just before exiting the tunnel to bring it back onto line with the top surface straight track. Just to clarify, inside the tunnel, you might imagine starting with a straight track that goes through tunnel. But at the halfway point in the tunnel, cut the track and bend/curve the cut ends away from each other from each other just enough to be able to connect more track to the cut ends (which have to be trimmed a little bit after curving them. The track sections you attach to the cut ends are both sloped downward, as steeply as the train's traction will allow (Magnetraction helps!!). Those are the sloping tracks that connect with the lower oval. The tunnel wasn't long enough to completely hide the action, but it was relatively short, and it sure looked cool!! JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55746	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: My Train Station Source

Hi Barb, The train station is the Rico Station, Lionel kit number 70-2797-202. I found it on eBay several years ago. It's a pretty nice kit with lots of detail. Now I need to spice it up with some interior details, curtains, outside signage, etc. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Bull, > > Nice train video of your original set. Who produced the station? > It's great. > > Barb > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Aug 18, 2009 7:46 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4574 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains > > Messages In This Digest (9 Messages) > > > 1a. > Phone booths From: afjerryk5 > 1b. > Re: Phone booths From: Michael and Linda Marmer > > 2a. > Video - My Original AF Set From: Bull_Gator_1 > 2b. > Re: Video - My Original AF Set From: Dave Highfield > 2c. > Re: Video - My Original AF Set From: Michael and Linda Marmer > > 3a. > Las Vegas Train Stores? From: len_hall > 3b. > Re: Las Vegas Train Stores? From: rdgroup427 > > 4. > S-Ring - Going away From: Paul Yorke > > 5. > S Gauge Disappearing Train From: rj4010d > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > > > 1a. > > Phone booths > Posted by: "afjerryk5" afjerryk5@... afjerryk5 > Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:51 am (PDT) > > > Mike, > > With your love of phone booths,you need one of two things. > > A,a figure of Clark Kent entering a phone booth. > B,a figure of Superman leaving a phone booth. > Jerry > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > 1b. > > Re: Phone booths > Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 > Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:55 am (PDT) > > > Jerry, > > that is a possibility, but I am thinking more in the line of Gary Larson, creator of the Far Side, who has a love for cows. I will have a dull cow entering and a Super Chic Fil-A cow leaving. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: afjerryk5 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:24 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Phone booths > > Mike, > > With your love of phone booths,you need one of two things. > > A,a figure of Clark Kent entering a phone booth. > B,a figure of Superman leaving a phone booth. > Jerry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 2a. > > Video - My Original AF Set > Posted by: "Bull_Gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1 > Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:51 am (PDT) > > > Hi All, > > After having a hard drive crash and burn earlier in the week, I finally am back in the computer business. So I have posted a Youtube video of my original AF set. This was my one and only AF set and comprised my entire collection until 1975 when I stumbled on an AF set in the classified ads. You can check out the video at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVGrZrWP9I > > Listen at the 13 second mark for Sherlock Catt - he was mad he wasn't getting any camera time - lol! > > BG1 > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > 2b. > > Re: Video - My Original AF Set > Posted by: "Dave Highfield" davidh@... davidhighf > Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:11 am (PDT) > > > Beautiful passenger station! > Dave in Maryland > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:31 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Video - My Original AF Set > > Hi All, > > After having a hard drive crash and burn earlier in the week, I finally am > back in the computer business. So I have posted a Youtube video of my > original AF set. This was my one and only AF set and comprised my entire > collection until 1975 when I stumbled on an AF set in the classified ads. > You can check out the video at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVGrZrWP9I > > Listen at the 13 second mark for Sherlock Catt - he was mad he wasn't > getting any camera time - lol! > > BG1 > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: 08/17/09 > 06:08:00 > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > 2c. > > Re: Video - My Original AF Set > Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 > Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:29 am (PDT) > > > I think Sherlock Catt could of tramatized the passengers at the Station (is there a white room in that station, ala Cream) and Sherlock Catt would been seen by millions of women and movie producers. Dave would have his hands busy answering the calls for more Sherlock Catt on Youtube, then the movies and many marriage proposals. > > Nice video Dave. > > I think it is time I listen to more Neil Young, singing "It's Only A Dream". LOL > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > > 3a. > > Las Vegas Train Stores? > Posted by: "len_hall" len_hall@... len_hall > Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:29 am (PDT) > > > Where is the best place to find S gauge trains in Las Vegas? > > Len > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > 3b. > > Re: Las Vegas Train Stores? > Posted by: "rdgroup427" rdgroup427@... rdgroup427 > Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:25 am (PDT) > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "len_hall" <len_hall@> wrote: > > > > Where is the best place to find S gauge trains in Las Vegas? > > > > Len > >There is a train store East of Eastern which is the East side of McCarran Airport. Cannot remember the name of it. It is in more like an office/industrial area. The store sits right in line with the East West runaway jets are only about 150 feet above the store when they are coming in to land. They sell Lionel but if you ask to go back and see the AF selection it is in the back part of the store. They are listed in the yellow pages. Also they are only open in the afternoon. Should be easy to find in yellow pages under hobby shops. > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 4. > > S-Ring - Going away > Posted by: "Paul Yorke" s_trains@... s_trains > Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:06 pm (PDT) > > > Friends, > Please remove the S-Ring code from your websites. > The page that handles the list will be going away soon. > Got hacked once to many times. i am pulling the plug on that host. > S-Scale and S-Trains sites will continue. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55747	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Phones and cameras

Of course, the Amish also shun cameras, as does Eastern Division.-- Joe Casting NO parallels there are we??? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55748	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2009
Subject: Re: Phone Booths in Barns

Linda told me that the Amish can have payphones on their property, outside the house, if used for running a business, I.e. farming and for emergencies. Once at Bob Board's All Aboard Railroad in Lancaster, where he runs his 880 square foot layout at Christmas, there where tons of Amish there watching the layout. Glad that no one got upset this time on CC'd. LOL See what these people are missing. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: cookie flannery To: mlmarmer@... ; Wjzwjz@... ; WJJIM@... ; thewinans@... ; Christie1wilson@... ; robint@... ; don@... ; Anormal1@... ; tstoltz@... ; jcryba@... ; Bionicworm1@... ; bigo456@... ; ralcor888@... ; Joseph.Lechner@... ; KTTrains@... ; roger.knight@... ; kenstoys@... ; JSnell5990@... ; bjamison330@... ; steve@... ; jhannawald@... ; joestrainrepair@... ; yaheynow@... ; bassflyer@... ; gigeastman@... ; grdobbs@... ; djdewey@... ; steve.conard@... ; ecphora123@... ; bull_gator_1@... ; goatfarm@... ; mainelydon@... ; Boss31@... ; gwbishop@... ; tjbian@... ; velapoldi@... ; Toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Phone Booths in Barns Great topic and extremely interesting. I've always loved learning more things about the Amish. Kudos to all the originally email and all the responses! Love it! Cookie~<who doesn't know squat about the trains but loves and is fascinated by the layouts and all the emails and info I've learned.> --- On Wed, 8/19/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Phone Booths in Barns To: mlmarmer@..., Wjzwjz@..., WJJIM@..., thewinans@..., Christie1wilson@..., robint@..., don@..., Anormal1@..., tstoltz@..., jcryba@..., Bionicworm1@..., bigo456@..., ralcor888@..., Joseph.Lechner@..., KTTrains@..., roger.knight@..., kenstoys@..., JSnell5990@..., bjamison330@..., steve@..., jhannawald@..., joestrainrepair@..., yaheynow@..., cookster1030@..., bassflyer@..., gigeastman@..., grdobbs@..., djdewey@..., steve.conard@..., ecphora123@..., bull_gator_1@..., goatfarm@..., mainelydon@..., Boss31@..., gwbishop@..., tjbian@..., velapoldi@..., Toytrains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 4:36 PM Glenn Ritter mentioned Mike's thread on farm phone booths at our PVMR gathering this forenoon, and Mike and Glenn are both RIGHT ON. Almost every farm (NON Amish) in Lancaster Co, PA has at least one phone in the barn, often several. Fastest way to call Veterinarian, Emergency help, feed dealer, etc. Many if not all the Amish have "phone booths" resembling wooden "facilities" somewhere on the property, NOT in the home or barn, TOO convenient that way. Several years ago, a "new" farm was split from an "old" farm, new house, new barn AND until the shed was built, the local phone co dropped a wire down a pole, installed a jack and then whoever in the family had to make a call, carried a phone to the pole, plugged it in, leaned on the pole and dialed away. They now have a shed. Several families sometimes go together with one shed and share the expense of the phone. Long distance is sometimes an issue. Many Amish also have cell phones in someone elses' names. Many also have their computers and their toy and model train layouts, powered by batteries and inverters, with solar now leading the way to charge the batteries. Jim " ready to run the wires" Lyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55749	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train revised

To quote a famous television actress, "I don't think so, Tim." Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55750	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: For trade

I have several pair of scale "S" trucks some , I will trade for "S" K-Line tinplate trucks. Jerry ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Justice Degrees Start your criminal justice career. Earn your degree 100% online! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=SrkEcO9erKTwJP0s0JNSQQAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAQAAAAFAAAAAARWjj4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAoAAAAAA==

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55751	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Don't Hit Me!

I was with a group of cousins drinking coffee and discussing topics of the day when "hobbies" came up. Gladly I was able to contribute to the conversation by mentioning my limited experience with Gilbert American Flyer. "Don't they call that S-Gauge?, asked one. "Yup! That'd be correct", said I. "So, what's "S" stand for?" asked another. Now at 63 a few cells have gone missing and the bod ain't what it was a few years back, but for the life of me, I could not come up with an answer! I know I've heard it and read about it and that A.C. came out with his AF line in S after WWII, but as to what "S" actually comes from I could not answer. So, at the risk of appearing ignorant and uneducated, would someone kindly fill me in with the answer to my cousin's and my question; What does "S" mean in S-Gauge.Boy'I'll bet I feel real S-tupid when I find out. No Lionel Smart A-SS answers please. Thanks. Mike-S-weltering in S-yracuse-Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55752	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!

How iS thiS for an anSwer: "We model in The Superior Gauge. I am sure you have wondered why we all have a Superiority Complex." - Earl Henry, NaShville In a message dated 8/22/2009 10:35:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: I was with a group of cousins drinking coffee and discussing topics of the day when "hobbies" came up. Gladly I was able to contribute to the conversation by mentioning my limited experience with Gilbert American Flyer. "Don't they call that S-Gauge?, asked one. "Yup! That'd be correct", said I. "So, what's "S" stand for?" asked another. Now at 63 a few cells have gone missing and the bod ain't what it was a few years back, but for the life of me, I could not come up with an answer! I know I've heard it and read about it and that A.C. came out with his AF line in S after WWII, but as to what "S" actually comes from I could not answer. So, at the risk of appearing ignorant and uneducated, would someone kindly fill me in with the answer to my cousin's and my question; What does "S" mean in S-Gauge.Boy'Now at 63 a few cells have gone missing and the bod ain't what it was a few years back, Thanks. Mike-S-weltering in S-yracuse-Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55753	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!

and he notes - AF started making "3/16 0 Scale" trains in 1938. The locomotives were essentially S Gauge boilers and tenders running on 0 gauge (3 rail) track. During WWII (1943 I believe) the NMRA held a meeting at their St. Louis convention to officially adopt the names for scales. "0" was selected for 1/4" scale, "H0" for 1/8" scale and then there was 3/16". The discussion group chaired by NMRA Prexy "Tex" Guess, included Louis Hertz and (among others) Bill Stewart. Since 3'16" scale was one-half of No. 1 Gauge (3/8" = 1 ft.) Hertz wanted the group to adopt "H1" much as HO is 'Half-0' Gauge. As the story goes it was hot and humid and getting late as the discussion went on and on. The deadlock was broken when Bill Stewart suggested 'S Gauge" inasmuch as the letter S is repeated a few times: One sixty-fourth, three-sixteenths, seven-eighths gauge etc.). It sounded good and the vote carried rather quickly and the meeting broke up and moved to the bar for a cold brewskie. After the War, Gilbert brought out the now familiar two-rail, 7/8ths gauge trains with the same locomotives and rolling stock now running on S Gauge chasses. Bill Stewart followed with MidGage and then there was Nord, Stinson, Dayton, Rex and a bunch of others for the scale guys. Tru-Scale and Len Chemidlin (Midlin Models) had track and later Bob Miller's switcher. For the most part, AF outlived them all lasting (under Gilbert) until the late 60s. Hope this info helps. I'm sure a few of the old farts (like me) can fill in the voids but the story about naming "S" was told to me by Bill Stewart many, many years ago. Raleigh in Maine, waitin' for the hurrycaine... At 10:36 AM 8/22/2009, snottpuppy124 wrote: > > >I was with a group of cousins drinking coffee and discussing topics >of the day when "hobbies" came up. Gladly I was able to contribute >to the conversation by mentioning my limited experience with Gilbert >American Flyer. "Don't they call that S-Gauge?, asked one. "Yup! >That'd be correct", said I. "So, what's "S" stand for?" asked another. >Now at 63 a few cells have gone missing and the bod ain't what it >was a few years back, but for the life of me, I could not come up >with an answer! I know I've heard it and read about it and that A.C. >came out with his AF line in S after WWII, but as to what "S" >actually comes from I could not answer. So, at the risk of appearing >ignorant and uneducated, would someone kindly fill me in with the >answer to my cousin's and my question; What does "S" mean in >S-Gauge.Boy'I'll bet I feel real S-tupid when I find out. No Lionel >Smart A-SS answers please. >Thanks. >Mike-S-weltering in S-yracuse-Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55754	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: GG1 For Sale...

I am culling my herd and have a GG1 for sale. Tuscan. Five-stripe. Scale flanges. Kadee 802's talgo-mounted with original AM couplers in the box. NIB. Test -run only. #4876 Pennsylvania. Perfect condition. $200 including shipping to the lower 48. Please respond only off-list to cujoacat@... . On-list responses will be ignored. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55755	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!

You left out the French JEP, German Bub and a variety of East German toy manufacturers, the latter which in one form of another actually outlived Gilbert. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollain Mercier To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Don't Hit Me! and he notes - AF started making "3/16 0 Scale" trains in 1938. The locomotives were essentially S Gauge boilers and tenders running on 0 gauge (3 rail) track. During WWII (1943 I believe) the NMRA held a meeting at their St. Louis convention to officially adopt the names for scales. "0" was selected for 1/4" scale, "H0" for 1/8" scale and then there was 3/16". The discussion group chaired by NMRA Prexy "Tex" Guess, included Louis Hertz and (among others) Bill Stewart. Since 3'16" scale was one-half of No. 1 Gauge (3/8" = 1 ft.) Hertz wanted the group to adopt "H1" much as HO is 'Half-0' Gauge. As the story goes it was hot and humid and getting late as the discussion went on and on. The deadlock was broken when Bill Stewart suggested 'S Gauge" inasmuch as the letter S is repeated a few times: One sixty-fourth, three-sixteenths, seven-eighths gauge etc.). It sounded good and the vote carried rather quickly and the meeting broke up and moved to the bar for a cold brewskie. After the War, Gilbert brought out the now familiar two-rail, 7/8ths gauge trains with the same locomotives and rolling stock now running on S Gauge chasses. Bill Stewart followed with MidGage and then there was Nord, Stinson, Dayton, Rex and a bunch of others for the scale guys. Tru-Scale and Len Chemidlin (Midlin Models) had track and later Bob Miller's switcher. For the most part, AF outlived them all lasting (under Gilbert) until the late 60s. Hope this info helps. I'm sure a few of the old farts (like me) can fill in the voids but the story about naming "S" was told to me by Bill Stewart many, many years ago. Raleigh in Maine, waitin' for the hurrycaine... At 10:36 AM 8/22/2009, snottpuppy124 wrote: > > >I was with a group of cousins drinking coffee and discussing topics >of the day when "hobbies" came up. Gladly I was able to contribute >to the conversation by mentioning my limited experience with Gilbert >American Flyer. "Don't they call that S-Gauge?, asked one. "Yup! >That'd be correct", said I. "So, what's "S" stand for?" asked another. >Now at 63 a few cells have gone missing and the bod ain't what it >was a few years back, but for the life of me, I could not come up >with an answer! I know I've heard it and read about it and that A.C. >came out with his AF line in S after WWII, but as to what "S" >actually comes from I could not answer. So, at the risk of appearing >ignorant and uneducated, would someone kindly fill me in with the >answer to my cousin's and my question; What does "S" mean in >S-Gauge.Boy'I'll bet I feel real S-tupid when I find out. No Lionel >Smart A-SS answers please. >Thanks. >Mike-S-weltering in S-yracuse-Prell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55756	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!

Hi Mike,                   Rollie gave you the description that gave the Model Railroad Scale and Gauge to designate "S" Scale & "S" Gauge. one-Sixtyfourth = One Inch, three-Sixteenths= One Foot and Seven-eigthths between the rails.  I named my company Triple "S" Supplies after those designations.  Please note the the gauge and the scale are not always the same. For example the first Gilbert American Flyer Trains were HO with two rail track and 3/16" "O" Gauge trains with three rail track.  Many people into American Flyer "S" don't know Gilbert had three rail trains before the two rail.  The Pre War American Flyer from Gilbert were called Tru Model because of the "S" scale bodies.   Gilbert made a Northern, a Hudson, a K5 Pacific, Atlantic, 0-8-0 Switcher and a Bullet Nose Pacific at that time.  Those 3/16" boilers and tenders carried on in to the Post War area.  In 1946 Gilbert developed 2 rail track - 7/8" Gauge making American Flyer complete "S" Gauge models.  "S" Gauge was originated in the thirties in Cleveland.   The boilers were made on wood.  It was known as Cleveland Design. I can't think of the name of the company but they were the first to sell "S" Scale & "S" Gauge.  As for the difference of scale and gauge.  Lionel 027, Marx, K-Line and Industrial Rail have 3/16" Scale bodes on "O" Gauge frames with "O" gauge trucks.  In the dark years when no one was mass producing "S" gauge trains, these bodies were used in many "S" scale projects.  Today "S" scale is at highest peak with three major manufacturers making the trains, Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and the Showcase Line("S" Helper).  Each of these companies is making rolling stock and locomotives that were never made by A.C. Gilbert.  All of their product lines have trucks and couplers that are compatible with the original A.C Gilbert knuckle coupler trucks.   If you look at the "O" gauge production with three rail track from Lionel, MTH etc and look at the "S" scale models, you can see that "S" scale is superior.                                                             Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 8/22/09, snottpuppy124 <mlprell@...> wrote: From: snottpuppy124 <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Don't Hit Me! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 10:36 AM   I was with a group of cousins drinking coffee and discussing topics of the day when "hobbies" came up. Gladly I was able to contribute to the conversation by mentioning my limited experience with Gilbert American Flyer. "Don't they call that S-Gauge?, asked one. "Yup! That'd be correct", said I. "So, what's "S" stand for?" asked another. Now at 63 a few cells have gone missing and the bod ain't what it was a few years back, but for the life of me, I could not come up with an answer! I know I've heard it and read about it and that A.C. came out with his AF line in S after WWII, but as to what "S" actually comes from I could not answer. So, at the risk of appearing ignorant and uneducated, would someone kindly fill me in with the answer to my cousin's and my question; What does "S" mean in S-Gauge.Boy' I'll bet I feel real S-tupid when I find out. No Lionel Smart A-SS answers please. Thanks. Mike-S-weltering in S-yracuse-Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55757	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Plasticville Frosty Bar

The bumps on the two sides of the Plasticville Frosty Bar, are they sky lights? Thanks, as I am thinking about painting the Frosty Bar on the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55758	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: The signing Of Mosquito Rodriquez

Mosquito Rodriquez is the all star shortstop for the D&K RR Pinheads. He was discovered playing baseball in a cow pasture in Venezuela by super baseball scout, Carlos Gonzalez who retired from playing outfield for the Colorado Rockies a few years ago. As he too was discovered by a scout on a cow pasture in Venezuela. Carlos was returning to his hotel in Caracas, about a 2 hour drive from this famous cow pasture for future baseball stars, when his scouting party was stopped around midnight by uniformed officials. They went through the car, asked for passports and it was pitch black on this road. One scout did not have his passport and he was the only one who spoke fluent Spanish. They where going to take him to jail and said to the officials, "300 Dinero". So they negotiated the official down to 80 American dollars. And that is how Mosquito was discovered and now lives in the world famous town of the D&K RR. (Story was taken from the Washington Post on how Mike Rizzo discovered Carlos Gonzales, but hey, thought it might be a good story stolen for the number one player on the D&K RR ballclub. Bobble head day to come soon.) Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55759	From: traintracks01	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: For Sale S items

For Sale S Items August 22, 2009 Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126, Kenmore, Wa 98028 eric@... 1. Lionel Flyer 6-48041 Union Pacific Mikado 2-8-2 engine new in Box $400 (shipping to USA included) 2. SHS 00267 Caboose Milwaukee road 992302 newinbox $40 .. 3. SHS 01801 Refer Theo Hamm Beer WFEX1313 newinbox $35 .. 4. SHS 01844 White rock water Refer 55075 newinbox $35 .. 5. SHS panelside hopper Rock island 89813 new-NO-box both wheels $27 6. SHS panelside hopper Rock island 89772 new-NO-box both wheels $27 .. 7. SHS panelside hopper Rock island 89813 new-NO-box both wheels $27 8. Am Models NP 7520-B Wood Built up RTR Caboose Newinbox $30 9. Am Models 2229 milwaukee plug door refer newinbox $30 .. 10. Am Models miller beer refer mhlx80274, used missing 1 step, otherwise excellent $20 11. Am Models kit #712 GN wide view caboose X273 newinbox with trucks. $25 .. 12. Pac Rail Shops (PRS) gold coast kit 40 foot boxcar sp overnite black 97804 with trucks newinbox $40 13. Pac Rail Shops (PRS) kit PFE 45698 Refer SP and UP (color) emblems on side with trucks newinbox $40 . 14. Pac Rail Shops (PRS) kit 40 foot steel ice refer Milwaukee 37371 no trucks newinbox $22 .. 15. Pac Rail Shops (PRS) kit S,P,& S 40 foot boxcar 10'6" high from 1994 NASG convention in Vancouver, WA. 11242 (#3) with trucks newinbox $35 .. 16. Pac Rail Shops (PRS) kit B352 GN green 40 foot double door boxcar #4009 no trucks newinbox $30 . 17. S Scale America Canadian National hopper flyer compatible DPS 15062 car# 111498 newinbox 18. S Scale America hopper car Milwaukee 321008. Shs trucks Has scale wheels and Kadees, your choice, I can change back to knuckles and Hirail wheels. $30 Make an offer on any or all. Shipping will be $7 for one or $9 for 2, $10 for 3 or more USPS ground. Postal money order, checks (held for clear) and paypal work. Thanks for looking .............................................................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55760	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/23/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55761	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland

In honor of Cow On Track on my layout, which is actually a Steer on Track, since the cow has horns, my Ghost Writer has struck again. Mike Marmer Dingburg, MD (AP) - Traffic on the D&K Railroad came to a halt yesterday as zoologists from three Ivy League universities puzzled over the origin of an enormous heifer that unexpectedly disrupted operations by parking her avoirdupois squarely in the center of a busy rail junction. The prodigious bovine stood six feet tall at the shoulders, measured over nine feet long, and weighed an estimated 4,000 pounds. She was described as white with chocolate-brown spots. Train crews said that the hefty heifer simply walked onto the tracks from behind a twelve foot Norwegian lichen tree near the Farmers' Market on Railroad Street. "This thing just ambled onto the roadbed and stood there like she owned it", noted officer Hugo of the D&KRR security department. "We had no more warning than the poor sap in Jurassic Park who ended up face-to-face with a T. Rex in the outhouse." Veterinarians from Harvard University noted that the giant cow was considerably larger than any in the herd owned by Olaf MacDonald, who operates a dairy farm on the outskirts of Dingburg. Further, it appeared to be genetically distinct from the Guernseys bred by MacDonald. A paleontologist from Yale University recalled that similar sightings were reported in and around New Haven CT during the 1950s. Oversize bovines would wander onto the main line of the New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad, sometimes delaying passenger trains for hours. Zoologists proposed to name the new species Bovis gilbertianis since most of the sightings occurred near the A. C. Gilbert Manufacturing Company. Knowledgeable railfans wondered why the beasts were not electrocuted, since the New Haven was electrified with 25,000 volts AC. However, the Connecticut cows appeared to be made of polyvinyl chloride and were well-insulated. In an unrelated development, management of the Dingburg Pinheads has announced an all-you-can-eat roast beef dinner prior to Sunday night's baseball game against the Annapolis Crustaceans. Should the Pinheads win this contest, next Tuesday's game will be designated Surf-and-Turf Night. ghost writer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55762	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland

My mystery ghost writer has struck again. I think his last job was working for the Washington Post in 1972. Mike Marmer ******************************************************** Dingburg, MD (AP) - Traffic on the D&K Railroad came to a halt yesterday as zoologists from three Ivy League universities puzzled over the origin of an enormous heifer that unexpectedly disrupted operations by parking her avoirdupois squarely in the center of a busy rail junction. The prodigious bovine stood six feet tall at the shoulders, measured over nine feet long, and weighed an estimated 4,000 pounds. She was described as white with chocolate-brown spots. Train crews said that the hefty heifer simply walked onto the tracks from behind a twelve foot Norwegian lichen tree near the Farmers' Market on Railroad Street. "This thing just ambled onto the roadbed and stood there like she owned it", noted officer Hugo of the D&KRR security department. "We had no more warning than the poor sap in Jurassic Park who ended up face-to-face with a T. Rex in the outhouse." Veterinarians from Harvard University noted that the giant cow was considerably larger than any in the herd owned by Olaf MacDonald, who operates a dairy farm on the outskirts of Dingburg. Further, it appeared to be genetically distinct from the Guernseys bred by MacDonald. A paleontologist from Yale University recalled that similar sightings were reported in and around New Haven CT during the 1950s. Oversize bovines would wander onto the main line of the New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad, sometimes delaying passenger trains for hours. Zoologists proposed to name the new species Bovis gilbertianis since most of the sightings occurred near the A. C. Gilbert Manufacturing Company. Knowledgeable railfans wondered why the beasts were not electrocuted, since the New Haven was electrified with 25,000 volts AC. However, the Connecticut cows appeared to be made of polyvinyl chloride and were well-insulated. In an unrelated development, management of the Dingburg Pinheads has announced an all-you-can-eat roast beef dinner prior to Sunday night's baseball game against the Annapolis Crustaceans. Should the Pinheads win this contest, next Tuesday's game will be designated Surf-and-Turf Night. ghost writer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55763	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Frosty Bar

More likely roof vents for heat/humidity. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/22/2009 7:42:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: The bumps on the two sides of the Plasticville Frosty Bar, are they sky lights? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55764	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: latest

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/620300739/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=341&dir=asc Latest on layout as the last of the grass around the ballpark is down. HO Swimming pool, with chairs, with 1960's ancient dust from my home basement, is complete for the latest in baseball ballparks fads, a tree has been planted between the Citgo Sign and the Milk Bottle on a Pole, advertising Milk, not Coca Cola like at Fenway Park. Now, work is to begin in the Tuftsville Industrial Complex. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55765	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland

Dude, Cows can have horns. Your animal science major friend, Don On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:07 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > In honor of Cow On Track on my layout, which is actually a Steer on > Track, > since the cow has horns, my Ghost Writer has struck again. > > Mike Marmer > > Dingburg, MD (AP) - > > Traffic on the D&K Railroad came to a halt yesterday as zoologists > from > three Ivy League universities puzzled over the origin of an enormous > heifer > that unexpectedly disrupted operations by parking her avoirdupois > squarely > in the center of a busy rail junction. > > The prodigious bovine stood six feet tall at the shoulders, measured > over > nine feet long, and weighed an estimated 4,000 pounds. She was > described as > white with chocolate-brown spots. > > Train crews said that the hefty heifer simply walked onto the tracks > from > behind a twelve foot Norwegian lichen tree near the Farmers' Market on > Railroad Street. "This thing just ambled onto the roadbed and stood > there > like she owned it", noted officer Hugo of the D&KRR security > department. > "We had no more warning than the poor sap in Jurassic Park who ended > up > face-to-face with a T. Rex in the outhouse." > > Veterinarians from Harvard University noted that the giant cow was > considerably larger than any in the herd owned by Olaf MacDonald, who > operates a dairy farm on the outskirts of Dingburg. Further, it > appeared to > be genetically distinct from the Guernseys bred by MacDonald. > > A paleontologist from Yale University recalled that similar > sightings were > reported in and around New Haven CT during the 1950s. Oversize bovines > would wander onto the main line of the New York, New Haven & Hartford > Railroad, sometimes delaying passenger trains for hours. Zoologists > proposed to name the new species Bovis gilbertianis since most of the > sightings occurred near the A. C. Gilbert Manufacturing Company. > > Knowledgeable railfans wondered why the beasts were not > electrocuted, since > the New Haven was electrified with 25,000 volts AC. However, the > Connecticut cows appeared to be made of polyvinyl chloride and were > well-insulated. > > In an unrelated development, management of the Dingburg Pinheads has > announced an all-you-can-eat roast beef dinner prior to Sunday night's > baseball game against the Annapolis Crustaceans. Should the Pinheads > win > this contest, next Tuesday's game will be designated Surf-and-Turf > Night. > > ghost writer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55766	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Don't Hit Me!

and he notes - I left out a lot. Who remembers Arden? Or Picard or Kansas City Kits, Perma Built (AKA SuperScale) Sylvania Models, Culp Bros., Devore couplers, and so forth. We had a few distributors that held the hobby together long enough for Bob Blois to produce S Gauge kits (Kinsman, which, by the way was his son's name) and then there was Jan Lorenzen, John Sudimak and Howard Phillips and of course the legendary Claud Wade and Strafford's excellent passenger car kits. I'm sure I missed a few. But 40 or 50 years ago few, if any hobby shops even thought about scale "S" models and those that did stock them found them languishing on the shelf for decades!. The fact is, except for the toy market, (AF per se) the great post-war surge to S Gauge scale modeling fizzled and all but disappeared until the Herald came to life in 1962 under Dave Bulkin and later under Wally Collins and Frank Titman. Incidentally Karl Bub's European S Gauge all but vanished upon his death (or was it bankruptcy - can't recall). Today the hobby shops still do not stock S Scale in any appreciable numbers. The answer may be simply that the manufacturers do not have a marketing program. It costs money and Lionel, Marx and AF spent a fortune promoting their products. The existing manufacturers do well but without the big money for ads, S will remain a minority Gauge. It might be different in the future but S as a discipline will always (to the other scales) be nothing more than a curiosity. Raleigh in Rainy Mainey... At 04:32 PM 8/22/2009, Alistair McAllister wrote: > > >You left out the French JEP, German Bub and a variety of East German >toy manufacturers, the latter which in one form of another actually >outlived Gilbert. Alistair >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rollain Mercier >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; ><mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:02 AM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Don't Hit Me! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55767	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: Plasticville Frosty Bar

Thanks Jim, as I thought so. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Plasticville Frosty Bar More likely roof vents for heat/humidity. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/22/2009 7:42:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: The bumps on the two sides of the Plasticville Frosty Bar, are they sky lights? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55768	From: michael prell	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest

So, Michael. Is that a little kitty on the diving board?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] latest To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:19 PM   http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/620300739/ view?picmode= medium&mode= tn&order= ordinal&start= 341&dir=asc Latest on layout as the last of the grass around the ballpark is down. HO Swimming pool, with chairs, with 1960's ancient dust from my home basement, is complete for the latest in baseball ballparks fads, a tree has been planted between the Citgo Sign and the Milk Bottle on a Pole, advertising Milk, not Coca Cola like at Fenway Park. Now, work is to begin in the Tuftsville Industrial Complex. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55769	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland

Don, Wait, I thought Cows have guns. LOL Youtube video. I thought only steers had horns, but you are the animal science guy to go to . But these horns on the "cow" are so steer like, pointing dead ahead. Okay, it is a cow then. Thanks for clearing up my tiny brain on this Don. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland Dude, Cows can have horns. Your animal science major friend, Don On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:07 PM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > In honor of Cow On Track on my layout, which is actually a Steer on > Track, > since the cow has horns, my Ghost Writer has struck again. > > Mike Marmer > > Dingburg, MD (AP) - > > Traffic on the D&K Railroad came to a halt yesterday as zoologists > from > three Ivy League universities puzzled over the origin of an enormous > heifer > that unexpectedly disrupted operations by parking her avoirdupois > squarely > in the center of a busy rail junction. > > The prodigious bovine stood six feet tall at the shoulders, measured > over > nine feet long, and weighed an estimated 4,000 pounds. She was > described as > white with chocolate-brown spots. > > Train crews said that the hefty heifer simply walked onto the tracks > from > behind a twelve foot Norwegian lichen tree near the Farmers' Market on > Railroad Street. "This thing just ambled onto the roadbed and stood > there > like she owned it", noted officer Hugo of the D&KRR security > department. > "We had no more warning than the poor sap in Jurassic Park who ended > up > face-to-face with a T. Rex in the outhouse." > > Veterinarians from Harvard University noted that the giant cow was > considerably larger than any in the herd owned by Olaf MacDonald, who > operates a dairy farm on the outskirts of Dingburg. Further, it > appeared to > be genetically distinct from the Guernseys bred by MacDonald. > > A paleontologist from Yale University recalled that similar > sightings were > reported in and around New Haven CT during the 1950s. Oversize bovines > would wander onto the main line of the New York, New Haven & Hartford > Railroad, sometimes delaying passenger trains for hours. Zoologists > proposed to name the new species Bovis gilbertianis since most of the > sightings occurred near the A. C. Gilbert Manufacturing Company. > > Knowledgeable railfans wondered why the beasts were not > electrocuted, since > the New Haven was electrified with 25,000 volts AC. However, the > Connecticut cows appeared to be made of polyvinyl chloride and were > well-insulated. > > In an unrelated development, management of the Dingburg Pinheads has > announced an all-you-can-eat roast beef dinner prior to Sunday night's > baseball game against the Annapolis Crustaceans. Should the Pinheads > win > this contest, next Tuesday's game will be designated Surf-and-Turf > Night. > > ghost writer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55770	From: kenvendlinger	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > I use the American Models Sound Controller to activate the bell and whistle. I don't know if they are still available from American Models - I got mine from a group member. I am told the Lionel sound activation buttons work if you use two in series(?), but I understand they are diffiicult to find. If you want to try to build one, you can search the files archive for various messages related to "home made" sound controllers. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Highfield" <davidh@> wrote: > > > > A very "stately" train. Thanks. What do you use to activate the whistle and > > bell? > > Dave in Maryland > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > Of Bull_Gator_1 > > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:26 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Youtube Layout Video > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have posted my first video on Youtube of a freight train on my soon to be > > under construction layout: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmlxCgEGeo > > > > Let me know what you think! > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.49/2293 - Release Date: 08/09/09 > > 18:10:00 > > > IF YOU NEED SOUND CONTROLLERS I KNOW WERE YOU CAN GET THEM. THEY ARE LIONEL. EMAIL ME AT JVENDLINGER@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55771	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest

Yes, it is. I need to post some pictures I took at Bob Board's in Dec. 2007 when we visited to see his layout running. One of his cats, Sunny, was in the pool, covered of course, but still had some puddles of water on it, as Sunny was pawing the puddle. Sunny did not go down the sliding board however. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest So, Michael. Is that a little kitty on the diving board? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] latest To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:19 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/620300739/ view?picmode= medium&mode= tn&order= ordinal&start= 341&dir=asc Latest on layout as the last of the grass around the ballpark is down. HO Swimming pool, with chairs, with 1960's ancient dust from my home basement, is complete for the latest in baseball ballparks fads, a tree has been planted between the Citgo Sign and the Milk Bottle on a Pole, advertising Milk, not Coca Cola like at Fenway Park. Now, work is to begin in the Tuftsville Industrial Complex. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55772	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland

BELLS too. Some probably whistle. Jim "herding the cows OFF the road" Lyle In a message dated 8/22/2009 11:47:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, don@... writes: Dude, Cows can have horns. Your animal science major friend, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55773	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video

From Alan Lambert American Models sound controler American Models now incorperates the sound control into their --- On Sun, 8/23/09, kenvendlinger <kenvendlinger@...> wrote: From: kenvendlinger <kenvendlinger@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Youtube Layout Video To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:42 AM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Bull_Gator_ 1" <bull_gator_ 1@...> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > I use the American Models Sound Controller to activate the bell and whistle. I don't know if they are still available from American Models - I got mine from a group member. I am told the Lionel sound activation buttons work if you use two in series(?), but I understand they are diffiicult to find. If you want to try to build one, you can search the files archive for various messages related to "home made" sound controllers. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave Highfield" <davidh@> wrote: > > > > A very "stately" train. Thanks. What do you use to activate the whistle and > > bell? > > Dave in Maryland > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf > > Of Bull_Gator_1 > > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:26 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Youtube Layout Video > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have posted my first video on Youtube of a freight train on my soon to be > > under construction layout: > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xfmlxCgEGeo > > > > Let me know what you think! > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.49/2293 - Release Date: 08/09/09 > > 18:10:00 > > > IF YOU NEED SOUND CONTROLLERS I KNOW WERE YOU CAN GET THEM. THEY ARE LIONEL. EMAIL ME AT JVENDLINGER@ ROADRUNNER. COM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55774	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Youtube Layout Video

From: Alan Lambert American Models now has a transformer; AC only; Sorry DC guys, that has the sound activation built into tje transformer. You can seeit on theirwebsite under accessories.                                                            Thanks,                                                                       Alan  --- On Sun, 8/23/09, kenvendlinger <kenvendlinger@...> wrote: From: kenvendlinger <kenvendlinger@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Youtube Layout Video To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:42 AM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Bull_Gator_ 1" <bull_gator_ 1@...> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > I use the American Models Sound Controller to activate the bell and whistle. I don't know if they are still available from American Models - I got mine from a group member. I am told the Lionel sound activation buttons work if you use two in series(?), but I understand they are diffiicult to find. If you want to try to build one, you can search the files archive for various messages related to "home made" sound controllers. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave Highfield" <davidh@> wrote: > > > > A very "stately" train. Thanks. What do you use to activate the whistle and > > bell? > > Dave in Maryland > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf > > Of Bull_Gator_1 > > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:26 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Youtube Layout Video > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have posted my first video on Youtube of a freight train on my soon to be > > under construction layout: > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xfmlxCgEGeo > > > > Let me know what you think! > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.49/2293 - Release Date: 08/09/09 > > 18:10:00 > > > IF YOU NEED SOUND CONTROLLERS I KNOW WERE YOU CAN GET THEM. THEY ARE LIONEL. EMAIL ME AT JVENDLINGER@ ROADRUNNER. COM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55775	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland

From a guy who has actually milked?cows. In my youth we had two milk cows that had horns. Most cows & bulls?are dehorned at youth and bulls are neutered to become steers. It was no fun to do either, bloody mess. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Toy Trains <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:55 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Nine Foot Heifer sighted in suburban Maryland My mystery ghost writer has struck again. I think his last job was working for the Washington Post in 1972. Mike Marmer ******************************************************** Dingburg, MD (AP) - Traffic on the D&K Railroad came to a halt yesterday as zoologists from three Ivy League universities puzzled over the origin of an enormous heifer that unexpectedly disrupted operations by parking her avoirdupois squarely in the center of a busy rail junction. The prodigious bovine stood six feet tall at the shoulders, measured over nine feet long, and weighed an estimated 4,000 pounds. She was described as white with chocolate-brown spots. Train crews said that the hefty heifer simply walked onto the tracks from behind a twelve foot Norwegian lichen tree near the Farmers' Market on Railroad Street. "This thing just ambled onto the roadbed and stood there like she owned it", noted officer Hugo of the D&KRR security department. "We had no more warning than the poor sap in Jurassic Park who ended up face-to-face with a T. Rex in the outhouse." Veterinarians from Harvard University noted that the giant cow was considerably larger than any in the herd owned by Olaf MacDonald, who operates a dairy farm on the outskirts of Dingburg. Further, it appeared to be genetically distinct from the Guernseys bred by MacDonald. A paleontologist from Yale University recalled that similar sightings were reported in and around New Haven CT during the 1950s. Oversize bovines would wander onto the main line of the New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad, sometimes delaying passenger trains for hours. Zoologists proposed to name the new species Bovis gilbertianis since most of the sightings occurred near the A. C. Gilbert Manufacturing Company. Knowledgeable railfans wondered why the beasts were not electrocuted, since the New Haven was electrified with 25,000 volts AC. However, the Connecticut cows appeared to be made of polyvinyl chloride and were well-insulated. In an unrelated development, management of the Dingburg Pinheads has announced an all-you-can-eat roast beef dinner prior to Sunday night's baseball game against the Annapolis Crustaceans. Should the Pinheads win this contest, next Tuesday's game will be designated Surf-and-Turf Night. ghost writer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55776	From: michael prell	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest

Thanks, Mike! I'm glad to learn that my eyes are not as bad as I thought. My next guess would have been skunk. Very nice community you have! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:49 AM   Yes, it is. I need to post some pictures I took at Bob Board's in Dec. 2007 when we visited to see his layout running. One of his cats, Sunny, was in the pool, covered of course, but still had some puddles of water on it, as Sunny was pawing the puddle. Sunny did not go down the sliding board however. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest So, Michael. Is that a little kitty on the diving board? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: [S-Trains] latest To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:19 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/620300739/ view?picmode= medium&mode= tn&order= ordinal&start= 341&dir=asc Latest on layout as the last of the grass around the ballpark is down. HO Swimming pool, with chairs, with 1960's ancient dust from my home basement, is complete for the latest in baseball ballparks fads, a tree has been planted between the Citgo Sign and the Milk Bottle on a Pole, advertising Milk, not Coca Cola like at Fenway Park. Now, work is to begin in the Tuftsville Industrial Complex. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/23/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 23, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55778	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: In Appreciation

Thanks for the several answers to my question about the origin of "S" Gauge. Back in the day when I taught at an upstate New York University College I always made it quite clear to my students that there was no such thing as a dumb question. The respect that I've just received warms my heart. Thank you,Friends! Mike-"S"eeing everything twice In "S"yracuse-Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55779	From: Scott	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: In Appreciation... just wondering

What did you teach?..... maybe I had you at the upstate NY University College?... From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of snottpuppy124 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] In Appreciation Thanks for the several answers to my question about the origin of "S" Gauge. Back in the day when I taught at an upstate New York University College I always made it quite clear to my students that there was no such thing as a dumb question. The respect that I've just received warms my heart. Thank you,Friends! Mike-"S"eeing everything twice In "S"yracuse-Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55780	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Great Big Sea and Model Trains

The below is from a blog of Alan Doyle from the music group Great Big Sea, a group from Canada that Linda and I follow. Alan just finished filming a movie in England and the below is the last paragraph from July on his experience and his coming home to Canada this summer. I has to do with model trains. We just saw Great Big Sea perform last Friday night, a wonderful group. Mike ******************************************************************************************************************** I cannot begin to describe this whole experience yet. Give me a few weeks and I�ll have a better perspective. Because right now I�ve got my eye hard on the prize, and there�s no prize I want more than to sit in my kitchen and watch my little fella play with his trains. Hopefully, AC Flight 861 is on time this weekend, and after a brief stop in Halifax, I�ll get to eat Sunday Brunch at home. Look forward to seeing you all at the shows. Cheers Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55781	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: latest

Mike, You are the second one who thought these where skunks. LOL maybe it was you the first time. they are certified S scale cats from Arttista. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Thanks, Mike! I'm glad to learn that my eyes are not as bad as I thought. My next guess would have been skunk. Very nice community you have! Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:49 AM Yes, it is. I need to post some pictures I took at Bob Board's in Dec. 2007 when we visited to see his layout running. One of his cats, Sunny, was in the pool, covered of course, but still had some puddles of water on it, as Sunny was pawing the puddle. Sunny did not go down the sliding board however. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest So, Michael. Is that a little kitty on the diving board? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: [S-Trains] latest To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:19 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/620300739/ view?picmode= medium&mode= tn&order= ordinal&start= 341&dir=asc Latest on layout as the last of the grass around the ballpark is down. HO Swimming pool, with chairs, with 1960's ancient dust from my home basement, is complete for the latest in baseball ballparks fads, a tree has been planted between the Citgo Sign and the Milk Bottle on a Pole, advertising Milk, not Coca Cola like at Fenway Park. Now, work is to begin in the Tuftsville Industrial Complex. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55782	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Beer Train Video

Hi All, I'm still playing around with the digital camera. Here's my sister's favorite - the beer train lol! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eqIfEMy-Q8 BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55783	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Beer Train Video

I'll drink to that! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55784	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?

I continue my search for side rods for my 21168 re-build project. It's complete except for the side rods. Parts suppliers do not carry this for some reason - apparently just too few were made. The 21168 looks like the 21165 and 21166 Casey Jones-type engines, but the 21168 has smoke, chug, and the multi-piece side rod set-up. The 21165 and 66 have that funky one-piece side rod. Anyone have a 21168 to sell for parts that has the side rods? Maybe a bad motor or no motor at all? Broken shell or missing tender? I'd be interested in most anything that has the rods, but I don't need a complete engine. Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55785	From: willisbd	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: PDF Magazines - Another Option

Here's another take on the subject. There is a service called Zinio that scans print magazines into electronic format. It isn't PDF; you have to use their reader. You can subscribe to the electronic version and keep a library of magazines on your computer. It's great for folks who travel a lot with a laptop. They can read their magazines on the plane or in their hotel room without hauling around bulky print materials. It makes a great backup if you subscribe to both the print and electronic versions. In my case, I have a print subscription that includes the electronic subscription for free as a service for readers who travel a lot. There's a legitimate need for the print version of a train magazine to use at the workbench, but I bet there's a significant number of readers who never use/need it at a workbench and would prefer an electronic version that takes up a lot less space in the house. I don't know what it would cost a publisher to use Zinio, or something like it, but it might be worth looking into. - Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55786	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Train Video

David, Your little town must be feeling pretty good right now. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Beer Train Video Hi All, I'm still playing around with the digital camera. Here's my sister's favorite - the beer train lol! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eqIfEMy-Q8 BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55787	From: michael prell	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: In Appreciation... just wondering

Yo, Scott, They told me that I "taught" basic television production. Truth is I learned more from my students than they ever did from me. This from about 73-83. Great fun. Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Scott <scottdee25@...> wrote: From: Scott <scottdee25@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] In Appreciation... just wondering To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 7:51 PM   What did you teach?..... maybe I had you at the upstate NY University College?... From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of snottpuppy124 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] In Appreciation Thanks for the several answers to my question about the origin of "S" Gauge. Back in the day when I taught at an upstate New York University College I always made it quite clear to my students that there was no such thing as a dumb question. The respect that I've just received warms my heart. Thank you,Friends! Mike-"S"eeing everything twice In "S"yracuse-Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55788	From: jim_marski	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Layouts wanted

The Rocky Mountain Division of TCA is sponsoring its annual winter meet in Denver on November 28th and 29th. We will be moving the show to a 65,000 square foot exhibition space at the Denver Merchandise Mart, making it, we believe, the largest show west of the Mississippi. We are asking anyone that might be interested in bringing an operating layout or static display of S gauge trains to contact me as soon as possible. We will have many childrens activities and vendor spots for sale. Thanks, Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55789	From: Thomas Kaufman	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Can Motors electronic reverser

Group        I have a 355 Baldwin, I am considering replacing the motor and reversing unit with an electronic reverser and can motor from Doug's company, Port Lines Supply. I wondered if anyone had actually done the conversion. The ad says the conversion is easy, and is explained in the instructions. Just wanted to get an idea of what is involved. Tom Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55790	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?

HI Jim,                Those side rods PA30A115 and PA30A116 are very difficult to find.  No one has ever reproduced these and quite frankly it would not be worth it.  Your best bet is to find a junker as you already know.  In all the these I've been selling American Flyer parts, I only had these in stock a few times.   I buy junkers all the time, if I come across any I'll keep you in mind.                                            Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/24/09, hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Anyone have a 21168 for parts? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 12:29 AM   I continue my search for side rods for my 21168 re-build project. It's complete except for the side rods. Parts suppliers do not carry this for some reason - apparently just too few were made. The 21168 looks like the 21165 and 21166 Casey Jones-type engines, but the 21168 has smoke, chug, and the multi-piece side rod set-up. The 21165 and 66 have that funky one-piece side rod. Anyone have a 21168 to sell for parts that has the side rods? Maybe a bad motor or no motor at all? Broken shell or missing tender? I'd be interested in most anything that has the rods, but I don't need a complete engine. Jim Ensign [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55791	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Can Motors electronic reverser

Simple as pie. Takes 10 minutes. All you need is a low wattage soldering iron and an Allen wrench and screw driver. I've done many of them... Steve In a message dated 08/24/2009 8:44:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, takaufman2009@... writes: Group I have a 355 Baldwin, I am considering replacing the motor and reversing unit with an electronic reverser and can motor from Doug's company, Port Lines Supply. I wondered if anyone had actually done the conversion. The ad says the conversion is easy, and is explained in the instructions. Just wanted to get an idea of what is involved. Tom Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55792	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?

This brings back a York Memory a few years ago. A vendor had a beautiful, LN++++++++ 21168 but it was missing a siderod. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Anyone have a 21168 for parts? HI Jim, Those side rods PA30A115 and PA30A116 are very difficult to find. No one has ever reproduced these and quite frankly it would not be worth it. Your best bet is to find a junker as you already know. In all the these I've been selling American Flyer parts, I only had these in stock a few times. I buy junkers all the time, if I come across any I'll keep you in mind. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/24/09, hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Anyone have a 21168 for parts? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 12:29 AM I continue my search for side rods for my 21168 re-build project. It's complete except for the side rods. Parts suppliers do not carry this for some reason - apparently just too few were made. The 21168 looks like the 21165 and 21166 Casey Jones-type engines, but the 21168 has smoke, chug, and the multi-piece side rod set-up. The 21165 and 66 have that funky one-piece side rod. Anyone have a 21168 to sell for parts that has the side rods? Maybe a bad motor or no motor at all? Broken shell or missing tender? I'd be interested in most anything that has the rods, but I don't need a complete engine. Jim Ensign [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55793	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: "S"uper Scale

I believe Mike Prell received thorough explanations regarding his inquiry into the origin of the designator for "S" gauge. But, with a twinkle in my eye, I simply tell my other-scale friends: "There's a reason why Superman doesn't wear 'HO' on his chest." YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55794	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Can Motors electronic reverser

I converted my Baldwin about 3 years ago. It really is a simple job and took me about 25 minutes. That engine never ran so good. --- On Mon, 8/24/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors electronic reverser To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 10:46 AM   Simple as pie. Takes 10 minutes. All you need is a low wattage soldering iron and an Allen wrench and screw driver. I've done many of them... Steve In a message dated 08/24/2009 8:44:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, takaufman2009@ ymail.com writes: Group I have a 355 Baldwin, I am considering replacing the motor and reversing unit with an electronic reverser and can motor from Doug's company, Port Lines Supply. I wondered if anyone had actually done the conversion. The ad says the conversion is easy, and is explained in the instructions. Just wanted to get an idea of what is involved. Tom Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55795	From: michael prell	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: latest

Mike, Yeah, but with a little alteration....if one could ever get a cat to sit still long enough....{;>) Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 7:32 PM   Mike, You are the second one who thought these where skunks. LOL maybe it was you the first time. they are certified S scale cats from Arttista. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Thanks, Mike! I'm glad to learn that my eyes are not as bad as I thought. My next guess would have been skunk. Very nice community you have! Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:49 AM Yes, it is. I need to post some pictures I took at Bob Board's in Dec. 2007 when we visited to see his layout running. One of his cats, Sunny, was in the pool, covered of course, but still had some puddles of water on it, as Sunny was pawing the puddle. Sunny did not go down the sliding board however. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest So, Michael. Is that a little kitty on the diving board? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: [S-Trains] latest To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:19 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/620300739/ view?picmode= medium&mode= tn&order= ordinal&start= 341&dir=asc Latest on layout as the last of the grass around the ballpark is down. HO Swimming pool, with chairs, with 1960's ancient dust from my home basement, is complete for the latest in baseball ballparks fads, a tree has been planted between the Citgo Sign and the Milk Bottle on a Pole, advertising Milk, not Coca Cola like at Fenway Park. Now, work is to begin in the Tuftsville Industrial Complex. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55796	From: michael prell	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: "S"uper Scale

John, I'll drink to that!  Very good! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 8/24/09, JOHN EICHMANN <jeichmann@...> wrote: From: JOHN EICHMANN <jeichmann@...> Subject: [S-Trains] "S"uper Scale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 11:28 AM   I believe Mike Prell received thorough explanations regarding his inquiry into the origin of the designator for "S" gauge. But, with a twinkle in my eye, I simply tell my other-scale friends: "There's a reason why Superman doesn't wear 'HO' on his chest." YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55797	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?

Thanks, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:22:32 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Anyone have a 21168 for parts? HI Jim, Those side rods PA30A115 and PA30A116 are very difficult to find. No one has ever reproduced these and quite frankly it would not be worth it. Your best bet is to find a junker as you already know. In all the these I've been selling American Flyer parts, I only had these in stock a few times. I buy junkers all the time, if I come across any I'll keep you in mind. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/24/09, hugoroundhouse < jimensign50@... > wrote: From: hugoroundhouse < jimensign50@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Anyone have a 21168 for parts? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 12:29 AM I continue my search for side rods for my 21168 re-build project. It's complete except for the side rods. Parts suppliers do not carry this for some reason - apparently just too few were made. The 21168 looks like the 21165 and 21166 Casey Jones-type engines, but the 21168 has smoke, chug, and the multi-piece side rod set-up. The 21165 and 66 have that funky one-piece side rod. Anyone have a 21168 to sell for parts that has the side rods? Maybe a bad motor or no motor at all? Broken shell or missing tender? I'd be interested in most anything that has the rods, but I don't need a complete engine. Jim Ensign [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55798	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: Anyone have a 21168 for parts?

There should be junkers around because the cylinders had a propensity for getting damaged. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Anyone have a 21168 for parts? HI Jim, Those side rods PA30A115 and PA30A116 are very difficult to find. No one has ever reproduced these and quite frankly it would not be worth it. Your best bet is to find a junker as you already know. In all the these I've been selling American Flyer parts, I only had these in stock a few times. I buy junkers all the time, if I come across any I'll keep you in mind. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 8/24/09, hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Anyone have a 21168 for parts? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 12:29 AM I continue my search for side rods for my 21168 re-build project. It's complete except for the side rods. Parts suppliers do not carry this for some reason - apparently just too few were made. The 21168 looks like the 21165 and 21166 Casey Jones-type engines, but the 21168 has smoke, chug, and the multi-piece side rod set-up. The 21165 and 66 have that funky one-piece side rod. Anyone have a 21168 to sell for parts that has the side rods? Maybe a bad motor or no motor at all? Broken shell or missing tender? I'd be interested in most anything that has the rods, but I don't need a complete engine. Jim Ensign [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2324 - Release Date: 08/24/09 12:55:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55799	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers open house videos on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8biDhQDWiQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glZyRj3z-I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RfCSNsmRPw I'll add a page with pictures to our website some time this week if all goes well. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55800	From: poniaj	Date: 8/24/2009
Subject: Re: "S"uper Scale

Hey John, Good one! Now that it's been on the internet, does that make it common usage? If so, I'd like to use it.... <VBG> There are too many of those smug HO (How Ordinary) guys out there. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar 2010 S Spree Darborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> wrote: > > I believe Mike Prell received thorough explanations regarding his inquiry into the origin of the designator for "S" gauge. But, with a twinkle in my eye, I simply tell my other-scale friends: "There's a reason why Superman doesn't wear 'HO' on his chest." > > YourS, > John Eichmann > RMHR > Boise >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55801	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: "S"uper Scale

You or anyone else can certainly use it, Jerry. I first wrote it several years ago in the "S Say," the newsletter of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers. Glad you like it. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "poniaj" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Hey John, > > Good one! Now that it's been on the internet, does that make it common > usage? If so, I'd like to use it.... <VBG> > > There are too many of those smug HO (How Ordinary) guys out there. > > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar 2010 S Spree > Darborn, MI > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@> wrote: > > > > I believe Mike Prell received thorough explanations regarding his > inquiry into the origin of the designator for "S" gauge. But, with a > twinkle in my eye, I simply tell my other-scale friends: "There's a > reason why Superman doesn't wear 'HO' on his chest." > > > > YourS, > > John Eichmann > > RMHR > > Boise > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55802	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers open house videos on YouTube

Bob, What track is that on the layout? Roy Inman on 8/24/09 3:06 PM, Robert Graves at theupstairstrain@... wrote: > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8biDhQDWiQ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glZyRj3z-I > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RfCSNsmRPw > > I'll add a page with pictures to our website some time this week if all goes > well. > > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55803	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers open house videos on YouTube

S-Helper flex track with Tom's Turnouts.  It's working out great for us. --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] San Diego S-Gaugers open house videos on YouTube To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 9:06 AM   Bob, What track is that on the layout? Roy Inman on 8/24/09 3:06 PM, Robert Graves at theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=g8biDhQDWiQ > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=1glZyRj3z- I > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=3RfCSNsmRPw > > I'll add a page with pictures to our website some time this week if all goes > well. > > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55804	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Frsoty Bar is Closed

The D&K RR Frosty Bar is closed until further notice due to major renovations. The floor is getting a coat of concrete paint, the bar stools are getting painted steel for the base and red for seat. Counter is getting painted steel for stainless steel and the floor inside is getting a white and black check tile look inside. Walls and roof will be painted some color unknown at this time. Suggestions welcomed. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55805	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Frosty Bar Photos

Mike, I've posted some photos of my Frosty Bar that Tracie detailed for me. You can see them here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/302186957/pic/list ttyl, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55806	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: smoke unit

http://www.micromark.com/SMOKE-GENERATOR,8116.html Has anyone used one of these, as I am thinking of putting on in the train station, by cutting a hole in the chimney. Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55807	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Photos

David, Thank you so much for sharing those photos. I like the cream color walls. How did Tracie get the counter items so detailed? the ketchup, mustard, relish, juke box, etc. What type of brush did she use, if you could ask her. Again, thank you so much for your help again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frosty Bar Photos Mike, I've posted some photos of my Frosty Bar that Tracie detailed for me. You can see them here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/302186957/pic/list ttyl, BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55808	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit

I saw one similar to it. from Germany. still have it was going to put in in an engine and have not got the time. ____________________________________________________________ Earn an IT Degree Online Earn your AS, BS, or Masters degree in IT from the top schools online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=H0TUDoGHoZDvlNjMrOln8gAAJz1aTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAQAAAAFAAAAABKDQD4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABYY4AAAAAA==

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55809	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit

Hi Mike,                     You might want to think about using a Smoke in Tender Unit.   You can pick one up for almost the same price as the unit in the photo.  It used a smaller exit tube and you can control it with a small transformer and best of all it will Gilbert American Flyer.                                                         Tom Seccia    --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] smoke unit To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:22 PM   http://www.micromar k.com/SMOKE- GENERATOR, 8116.html Has anyone used one of these, as I am thinking of putting on in the train station, by cutting a hole in the chimney. Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55810	From: kenvendlinger	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.micromark.com/SMOKE-GENERATOR,8116.html > > Has anyone used one of these, as I am thinking of putting on in the train station, by cutting a hole in the chimney. > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >DEAR MIKE THIS IS A PRETTY BIG SMOKE UNIT IT IS FOR G SCALE. WHAT I WOULD DO IS USE A 18VOLT 65213 LGB SMOKE UNIT. IT WILL WORK IN A STATION. THEY TEND TO GET HOT IF THE ROOF IS PLASTIC IT MIGHT MELT IT. YOU COULD USE THE MICRO MARK UNIT WHAT I WOULD DO IS PUT A PLASTIC QTIP CUT THE COTTON OFF THE ENDS AND PUT IT IN THE STACK WERE THE HOLE IS OR A BRASS TUBE THAT WOULD FIT IT THE STACK THEN PUT THAT THROUGH THE HOLE IN THE ROOF. GOOD LUCK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55811	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Photos

Mike, She used a very fine art brush with long bristles and removed all but three of the bristles. For the extra fine details she used a fine toothpick with a tiny drop of paint. She has much more patience than I do - lol! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > David, > > Thank you so much for sharing those photos. > > I like the cream color walls. > > How did Tracie get the counter items so detailed? the ketchup, mustard, relish, juke box, etc. What type of brush did she use, if you could ask her. > > Again, thank you so much for your help again. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bull_gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Frosty Bar Photos > > > Mike, > > I've posted some photos of my Frosty Bar that Tracie detailed for me. You can see them here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/302186957/pic/list > > ttyl, > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55812	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Photos

Thanks David for the answer. I will give that a try. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Frosty Bar Photos Mike, She used a very fine art brush with long bristles and removed all but three of the bristles. For the extra fine details she used a fine toothpick with a tiny drop of paint. She has much more patience than I do - lol! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > David, > > Thank you so much for sharing those photos. > > I like the cream color walls. > > How did Tracie get the counter items so detailed? the ketchup, mustard, relish, juke box, etc. What type of brush did she use, if you could ask her. > > Again, thank you so much for your help again. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bull_gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Frosty Bar Photos > > > Mike, > > I've posted some photos of my Frosty Bar that Tracie detailed for me. You can see them here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/302186957/pic/list > > ttyl, > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55813	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Vote for S Gauge

Go to http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=lc&id=94%c2%a0and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55814	From: michael prell	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge

They are both great examples of true love for the hobby, no matter which gauge it is! WOW! I really hate to have to make a choice but as I am a Flyer Fan and hate that middle rail........ Both gentlemen deserve a round(house full) of applause! Mike-S-leppen in S-yracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Vote for S Gauge To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:03 AM   Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.##### ######### ######### ####.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.####### ######### ######### ###.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###### ######### ####.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaine s Hobbies.##.S- Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com.########### ######### .Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55815	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Smoke unit

Smoke units are alway problematic as to space, heat, capacity, or voltage because they are all driven by heating an oil just to the point of smoking, but not igniting! Different heats and smoke fluids create slightly different results. The problem that has seldom been solved in locomotives is capacity. Wick type units such as the old Flyer ones, and tank and blower units like MTH worked well in their applications, but require a lot of space inside the loco or a small structure. While using a Flyer Smoke in Tender unit would work, I don't think that would be the best solution for a variety of reasons. I also don't recommend putting loco stack units such as the Seuthe one for this application either. The Micro Mark unit is an welcome upgrade on the old Seuthe Structure unit which was made for Pola buildings some years ago, and it is quite small. It can be driven on 8 to 24 volts and has a plastic stack so that it won't melt a plastic structure. Just remember to allow for regular refilling of the fluid. The biggest drawback is the cost, even on sale. But another thing to ponder is the "escalation principle." If you put lights in one structure, you soon feel you should light every structure or the layout will look as if nobody is home. The same thing goes for smoke. Pretty soon you want EVERY structure to smoke! Unlike a light, smoke units run into real money! Since most of us who live where it snows tend to model summer, why not limit smoke to industrial structures where a roaring fire is part of the manufacturing process to save money? Stumpy Stone...the Appalachian Flyer...in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55816	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Fw: Smoke Generator

I got a reply from Micro Mark about the smoke generator. It seems it will be fine for the train station. I heard you Stumpy on then getting more smoke units for buildings, LOL, but the rest of the buildings do not have chimneys. Okay, one factory that came today, so that might be one more, but that would be it. Thanks for all the replies. It helps and I appreciate it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Micro-Mark Tech Service To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Smoke Generator Dear Micro-Mark Customer: The smoke stack will not get hot. I would not suggest extending the stack as this would restrict airflow. If you need to add height I would suggest elevating the base of the unit. Micro-Mark Technical Service Department 908-464-1094, 1pm to 5pm Eastern Time weekdays http://www.micromark.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: MMTechService@... Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Smoke Generator I would like to use the Smoke Generator, 82602, in a Plasticville RR station. I believe I have 5 inches from top to bottom of the roof. Will the tip of the smoke generator get hot to melt the plastic? If the tube is too short, do I need to extend the tube to the chimney? Thank you Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55817	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge

44.5 to 55.5  we are loosing --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Vote for S Gauge To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:03 AM   Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.##### ######### ######### ####.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.####### ######### ######### ###.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###### ######### ####.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaine s Hobbies.##.S- Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com.########### ######### .Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55818	From: michael prell	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge

Waddya mean, we're loosing???We just haven't voted often enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vote for S Gauge To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 5:50 PM   44.5 to 55.5  we are loosing --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Vote for S Gauge To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:03 AM   Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.##### ######### ######### ####.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.####### ######### ######### ###.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###### ######### ####.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaine s Hobbies.##.S- Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com.## ######### ######### .Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55819	From: michael prell	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!

A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled.      Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's.  Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby.     As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite  because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS!      Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!)      As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating!     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along?   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55820	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!

My history with the "Cuse is much shorter than yours, but every time I visit the in-laws I try to get to JR Junction on Erie Blvd. He has some Flyer, both vintage and Flyonel as well as S Helper. I also like to hit Central Hobby Supply for decals and reference material --- On Wed, 8/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:39 PM        A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled.      Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's.   Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby.     As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite  because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS!      Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!)      As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating!     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution!  Can't We Just All Get Along?   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55821	From: wisner_mark	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Tender truck rebuilt.

Have a AF 283 and a AF302. Running both of these with DC motors and motor decoders. Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the wheels and axles. It appears the wheels are old and out of round. Much side to side play on the axle. I did clean the wheels and the brass contact strips. Trains run but when they stop all I have to do is nudge the tender. Any ideas?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55822	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge

http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=lc&id=94 Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55823	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!

Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55824	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.

One option would be to replace the AF tender trucks with S-Helper trucks. Then you will have electrical pickup from all 8 tender wheels. I think you will need to add some washers or something as shims between the truck and the tender body to accommodate the difference in the height of the S-Helper trucks.... otherwise it's pretty simple. Maybe S-Helper can make a suggestion. Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:11:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Tender truck rebuilt. Have a AF 283 and a AF302. Running both of these with DC motors and motor decoders. Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the wheels and axles. It appears the wheels are old and out of round. Much side to side play on the axle. I did clean the wheels and the brass contact strips. Trains run but when they stop all I have to do is nudge the tender. Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55825	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuild.

----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark . . . . . . . Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the wheels and axles. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > If you're an AF purist, delete now, but since you're already running on SHS track, why not buy and install some SHS tender trucks? They pick up electricity from all four wheels of each truck. Not sure if those turcks are on their website, but if not, just call or e-mail SHS. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13130 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55826	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.

Dear Mark, We have metal wheel replacements for AF wheels (#00979). You will only get 4 wheel pickup, but it will be easier than installing our tender trucks (#01208). Best regards, Don S Helper Service Inc. On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Manderman@... wrote: > One option would be to replace the AF tender trucks with S-Helper > trucks. Then you will have electrical pickup from all 8 tender wheels. > > I think you will need to add some washers or something as shims > between the truck and the tender body to accommodate the difference > in the height of the S-Helper trucks.... otherwise it's pretty simple. > > Maybe S-Helper can make a suggestion. > > Mark Anderman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:11:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: [S-Trains] Tender truck rebuilt. > > Have a AF 283 and a AF302. > Running both of these with DC motors and motor decoders. > Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through > the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the > wheels and axles. It appears the wheels are old and out of round. > Much side to side play on the axle. I did clean the wheels and the > brass contact strips. Trains run but when they stop all I have to do > is nudge the tender. Any ideas? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55827	From: jcolonbc	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track

How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55828	From: michael prell	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!

Yeah, great place with some nice displays! Used to be located in Liverpool.There's a fine shop in B-ville. (No, I'm serious-short for Baldwinsville-west of S-yracuse) run by two brothers and started by their Dad. Used to be an old train station. I think it's called The Junction. Great aitch-oh layout.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:13 PM   My history with the "Cuse is much shorter than yours, but every time I visit the in-laws I try to get to JR Junction on Erie Blvd. He has some Flyer, both vintage and Flyonel as well as S Helper. I also like to hit Central Hobby Supply for decals and reference material --- On Wed, 8/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:39 PM        A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled.      Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's.   Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby.     As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite  because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS!      Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!)      As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating!     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution!  Can't We Just All Get Along?   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55829	From: michael prell	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!

Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM   Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55830	From: royhoffman	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge

Once again, beautiful modeling ruined by a third rail! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ironhorse_66" <ejenterp@...> wrote: > > http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=lc&id=94 > > > > Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55831	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!

Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55832	From: michael prell	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky!

Mike, No he didn't, but that's alright. It's sometimes more fun to make stuff up as to what the possibilities could have been. You know. Sort of like having your own "s"-mall  "s"-cale town to do with what you want because nobody's the boss of you now. Imagination being a truly wonderful thing. When I received that catalog I must have spent the better part of an hour reading the various descriptions and admiring the art work. Gilbert always tried to deliver quality in everything that went out of his shop. Want to have a good experience?Read the introduction to his early 1946-7 era Operations Manual. The prose is highly descriptive and well written. IMHO, nothing today matches the beauty of those few words. Like old time radio, it left alot to the imagination and for a kid, it was magic. Still is if one's a kid at heart. Have a great day, my Friend. You deserve it! Mike-getting ready for our "S"-tate Fair-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:16 AM   Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55833	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track

Hi Jim,                   If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners.  Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop.   You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track.  For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track.  Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> wrote: From: jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM   How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55834	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.

I can vouch for SHS AF replacement wheels - - insulated and non-insulated. I use them in tenders for better pick-up (especially in engines like a 350 without pu shoes/feet), and rolling stock. Better rolling and operation in both cases. Just don't buy too many. They seem to go out of stock just about the time I want to buy more.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55835	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: Tender truck rebuilt.

Hi Mark,                     I would suggest putting new wheels on the tender trucks.  PA10140 Copper Wheels would be the correct number for replacement.  If you pushing the tender and the locomotive moves you may have a loose connection.  Possibly a worn PA10209 rivet insulator or a tender truck that is bent and not making contact.  If you have steel wheels rather than brass or copper, these make poor contact  I believe the solution to your problem is to replace all 4 wheel sets on the tender. This will give you new wheels for electrical contact.  These wheel sets for knuckle coupler tenders are XA10238B. These are copper and plastic and sell for $2.50 each.  Because there is some play between the knuckle coupler side frame hole and the axle, you will have breaks in the electrical contact.  I do have in stock brass bushings to insert in the knuckle coupler sideframes. These will tighten up the axle in the hole and will make the electric contact better.  These sell 10 for $1.50.   If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle coupler side frame.  I would not recommend using "S" Helper wheels.  If you have to replace the rear tender truck, it would much easier to use a American Flyer truck XA12A050B.  Please email me seccia@..., if you have any other questions.                                                          Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tender truck rebuilt. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:11 PM   Have a AF 283 and a AF302. Running both of these with DC motors and motor decoders. Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the wheels and axles. It appears the wheels are old and out of round. Much side to side play on the axle. I did clean the wheels and the brass contact strips. Trains run but when they stop all I have to do is nudge the tender. Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55836	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter

Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55837	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train

SUBJECT: Disappearing Train Layout We hqve been working on a short YouTube video (not done), showing an O- gauge disappearing "Polar Express" train layout, that a gentlemen named Rob Mueller here in North Central Pennsylvania built. Rob did some investigation, and discovered that you can purchase a PDF version of the original article -- plus an updated article -- from Kalmbach for $2.95 . The original article appeared in the Nov 2001 Classic Toy Trains. You can also purchase that magazine issue from Kalmbach. There are links to Kalmbach pages to purchase the PDF article or the magazine, and also a small copy of one of their illustrations, on the following web page: http://www.track2.com/info/236/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> MacBook Pro/OS 10.5 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:23 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > Bob, > This is great! Tell us more about it. What is the size? Can you put > a diagrams in the photos or file section here? I have a portable 5x9 > layout I have been running at shows for years and this may be a good > replacement for that. Thanks for the video. > > Wayne Beachy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkj3PNT9vqs > Enjoy!!! > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55838	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: hobby visit

Today I stopped in a hobby Shoppe in Gaithersburg, MD, as here in the DC area we do not really have a full service hobby Shoppe like the shop in Strasburg, PA by the TCA museum. However, he does carry Floquil paint and I needed some colors for a new project. He did not have the colors I needed, but on the way out, there was a man talking to the owner about his lightbulbs he was changing in his out sign. He looked at me and ask if I am Mike. I said yes? He said I am so and so, as he was in my Scout troop from 1966 to 1970, as he owned the business next door to the hobby Shoppe. So we talked for about a half hour or so about the old days. So, you never know what you really might find in a hobby Shoppe. There is a shop in Mount Airy, MD, 25 miles north of Gaithersburg that has a pretty good selection of things, but I think I will just go ahead and order the paint I need on line. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55839	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Linda's Co workers

I forward some pictures of my layout to Linda at work and she forward them to several women co-workers. Linda is a dietician who does menu nutrition work at her headquarters of a company that provides food service to hospitals, school, business, sports, etc. They are all dieticians. All where totally impressed with the layout and want to see it. One loves the apple trees as Linda told her there will be bee hives and that there will be invisible bees, as that is joke, since they would be so small being in S. They all laugh as they thought that was really funny as I meant it to be. A half hour later, the co worker said to Linda, in a serious voice, she could paint some rice yellow and black. No, that would be too big, as they all laugh again. So, the worker said how about Couscous, which is a round grain. So, women love seeing trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55840	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter

Hi Don,                     I have my own email account seccia@....                                           Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM   Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55841	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter

Hi Don,                  If your 00979 Wheels sets are the correct length and do not have needle point axle ends, I stand corrected.  Sorry for the error.   These would work.  I still believe the repro American Flyer wheel sets are better replacements.                                                         Tom Seccia                            --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM   Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55842	From: jcolonbc	Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track

Thanks for the help. Jim C-Texas --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners. Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop. You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track. For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track. Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc jcolonbc@... wrote: > > From: jcolonbc jcolonbc@... > Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Jim C. in Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55843	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Hi Mike -- Just tell them the dust in the air is bees... Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55844	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: hobby visit

Mike-   I used to shop there when I worked in Gaithersburg. For trade show booth demonstrations of our industrial wireless bearing sensors we made a 3 x 3 foot layout with a train going around and the bearing vibration monitor in a gondola transmitting to a computer in the booth. Every time the gondola went over a track joint the sensor would transmit a signal to the computer and it would show up as a bump in the graph. The hobby shop was the supplier of the train equipment and scenery stuff. The demonstrator was such a great booth draw that we made two more as there were times during the year when multiple trade shows happened at the same time. The hobby shop was a lot of help providing the equipment and guidance. However it all was the dreaded 3 rail stuff since it needed to be new and reliable and survive non train people for the set up and tear down and packing. All of the modern stuff literally wore out doing 8 hour days 3 to 5 days in a row. In spite of hourly lubrication and cleaning, the bearings and gears gave up and things started binding or just plain quit. Went through 7 steam locomotives from three different manufacturers. Only the postwar L hudson continues to run.   I did a holiday train show for an art museum that my wife started when we lived in California. A Gilbert 283 and a 303 did 8 hour days 7 days a week from the weekend before Thanksgiving until the weekend after New Year's with less lubrication and cleaning and they are still going strong. They just don't make 'em like they used to.   Bill Drake Unusually cool and dry for August in St. Louis. --- On Thu, 8/27/09, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] hobby visit To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>, jsnell5990@..., "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 6:47 PM   Today I stopped in a hobby Shoppe in Gaithersburg, MD, as here in the DC area we do not really have a full service hobby Shoppe like the shop in Strasburg, PA by the TCA museum. However, he does carry Floquil paint and I needed some colors for a new project. He did not have the colors I needed, but on the way out, there was a man talking to the owner about his lightbulbs he was changing in his out sign. He looked at me and ask if I am Mike. I said yes? He said I am so and so, as he was in my Scout troop from 1966 to 1970, as he owned the business next door to the hobby Shoppe. So we talked for about a half hour or so about the old days. So, you never know what you really might find in a hobby Shoppe. There is a shop in Mount Airy, MD, 25 miles north of Gaithersburg that has a pretty good selection of things, but I think I will just go ahead and order the paint I need on line. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55845	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

LOL Will do. I can't wait to have a flock of women here looking at the layout. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Hi Mike -- Just tell them the dust in the air is bees... Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55846	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: S-Helper Track

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55847	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Be careful there, Michael. Ya might want to have 'em sign a legal release form or somptin exhonorating you from any responsibilities as a result of this gathering which might influence them from reacting in such a way that could possibly have consequences that ....oh hell! Just make 'em promice not to have their husbands, boyfriends or other forms of soul mates in general feel the need to work on projects that they're not readyb to do. "If Michale can do that, then why can't you put a deck on the back shed" That sort of thing. If it's starting a layput, cool! Anything else is not your responsibility. Dig? Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:04 AM   LOL Will do. I can't wait to have a flock of women here looking at the layout. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Hi Mike -- Just tell them the dust in the air is bees... Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55848	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Mike, I can come on down if you need help. Jim In a message dated 8/28/2009 9:10:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I can't wait to have a flock of women here looking at the layout. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55849	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Jim, I bet. LOL Hey, you are welcome anytime and so is anyone else, even if the layout is not completely down. I am using DCC and have 2 S Helper steamers, one S Helper Switcher and Two AF converted engines, a Hudson and a Lionel Diesel, AF. Plus I have several action cars converted to DCC, 2 box, lumber and log loader. The street lights and ball park lights when dark and on is totally amazing. Just sent a email with advance warning that you would like to stop by. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Mike, I can come on down if you need help. Jim In a message dated 8/28/2009 9:10:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I can't wait to have a flock of women here looking at the layout. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55850	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Spell check! Gotta start usin' spell check!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:21 AM   Be careful there, Michael. Ya might want to have 'em sign a legal release form or somptin exhonorating you from any responsibilities as a result of this gathering which might influence them from reacting in such a way that could possibly have consequences that ....oh hell! Just make 'em promice not to have their husbands, boyfriends or other forms of soul mates in general feel the need to work on projects that they're not readyb to do. "If Michale can do that, then why can't you put a deck on the back shed" That sort of thing. If it's starting a LAYOUT, cool! Anything else is not your responsibility. Dig? Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:04 AM   LOL Will do. I can't wait to have a flock of women here looking at the layout. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Hi Mike -- Just tell them the dust in the air is bees... Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55851	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Vote for S Gauge! We're ahead!

Hi all, Well, I voted, but I must admit, other than that funny track the other layout does look wonderful! Amazingly S is in the lead right now! One thing that makes the S layout so great is that he has incorporated regular ACG Track and accessories in a near-scale setting. Now that's clever!! Vote early and often! Remember, AF started out as Chicago Flyer, so it's prototypical to over vote!! :) Heh heh heh! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55852	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Oh oh, I might of cause marital bliss then? All because of trains? LOL Who would of thought that. By the way there was divorce cause in NJ of all places, because the man watch ESPN 24/7. There is a neat song about that, I have hidden away, as one of the shows was Golf for the Dead at 2 am. That not a real show, but it was great in the song. Maybe train layout at 2 am for the dead someday? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Be careful there, Michael. Ya might want to have 'em sign a legal release form or somptin exhonorating you from any responsibilities as a result of this gathering which might influence them from reacting in such a way that could possibly have consequences that ....oh hell! Just make 'em promice not to have their husbands, boyfriends or other forms of soul mates in general feel the need to work on projects that they're not readyb to do. "If Michale can do that, then why can't you put a deck on the back shed" That sort of thing. If it's starting a layput, cool! Anything else is not your responsibility. Dig? Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:04 AM LOL Will do. I can't wait to have a flock of women here looking at the layout. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Hi Mike -- Just tell them the dust in the air is bees... Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55853	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Who?????????? Sick individuals like me! That's who! A divorse will getcha thinkin' twisted! You betcha! And ya doesn't haveta be from Alaska, either! btw, I just sent Classic Toy Trains a check for the November 2001 issue featuring the disappearing train layout. Might attempt it for Christmas. Should be fun. Know where I can get me some 3/16 snow flakes? Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Bill Zide" <Wjzwjz@...> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 1:49 PM   Oh oh, I might of cause marital bliss then? All because of trains? LOL Who would of thought that. By the way there was divorce cause in NJ of all places, because the man watch ESPN 24/7. There is a neat song about that, I have hidden away, as one of the shows was Golf for the Dead at 2 am. That not a real show, but it was great in the song. Maybe train layout at 2 am for the dead someday? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Be careful there, Michael. Ya might want to have 'em sign a legal release form or somptin exhonorating you from any responsibilities as a result of this gathering which might influence them from reacting in such a way that could possibly have consequences that ....oh hell! Just make 'em promice not to have their husbands, boyfriends or other forms of soul mates in general feel the need to work on projects that they're not readyb to do. "If Michale can do that, then why can't you put a deck on the back shed" That sort of thing. If it's starting a layput, cool! Anything else is not your responsibility. Dig? Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:04 AM LOL Will do. I can't wait to have a flock of women here looking at the layout. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers Hi Mike -- Just tell them the dust in the air is bees... Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55854	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Vote for S Gauge! We're ahead!

Man, we are ALWAYS ahead and it doesn't matter what any numbers say. It's just the way it is! Because we're cool! Ask my Grand Daughter. She'll tell ya! {:>0   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Vote for S Gauge! We're ahead! To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 1:58 PM   Hi all, Well, I voted, but I must admit, other than that funny track the other layout does look wonderful! Amazingly S is in the lead right now! One thing that makes the S layout so great is that he has incorporated regular ACG Track and accessories in a near-scale setting. Now that's clever!! Vote early and often! Remember, AF started out as Chicago Flyer, so it's prototypical to over vote!! :) Heh heh heh! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55855	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: hobby visit

Mike,   If you want a full-service hobby shop, Main Line Hobby Supply, in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. is not that far from Gaithersburg, Md. There is an open house / Layout tour in September. Check out their website for the date.  http://www.mainlinehobby.com/   A few of the layouts are in Gaithersburg so it is not that far. They carry paint, scratch-building materials, kits, equipment, track, power packs, DCC, and anything else you can think of. They are mainly HO and N Scale but they do have a good selection of S, including American Flyer. Bonnie and Brian are great and knowledgable people and their staff are also modelers too.   Save the postage and support your local hobby shop.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55856	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Linda Co-Workers Part 2

Two Lady Co-Workers where non stop today talking about my layout. A man forwarded the pictures to his home, as his 6 year old loves trains. He wanted to know when they could come. O:)! Anytime. Also his son is constantly searching the web for local train shows. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55857	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: hobby visit

Thanks Nick, as I appreciate the help with the shop in PA. I tried to support the local Shoppe and they where out of the colors. Not their fault as I understand that some colors are more popular than others. He was way overstocked on all other colors as he had a nice selection, so I hope he get selected things from a wholesaler. Or it might be a long time before he gets them in. Actually it turns out, the color I really want now is a aircraft color from Floquil, so they might not it. So, the postage would be 8 and it would many gallons of gas, wear and tear on the car, so I think I will go ahead and order the products on line. Again, I was not looking for a particular S item, just a paint that is use by all scales. I tried, so now I will use the web. I do appreciate you writing about the shop in PA. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] hobby visit Mike, If you want a full-service hobby shop, Main Line Hobby Supply, in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. is not that far from Gaithersburg, Md. There is an open house / Layout tour in September. Check out their website for the date. http://www.mainlinehobby.com/ A few of the layouts are in Gaithersburg so it is not that far. They carry paint, scratch-building materials, kits, equipment, track, power packs, DCC, and anything else you can think of. They are mainly HO and N Scale but they do have a good selection of S, including American Flyer. Bonnie and Brian are great and knowledgable people and their staff are also modelers too. Save the postage and support your local hobby shop. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55858	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

ISN'T it??? Jim In a message dated 8/28/2009 2:07:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: of the shows was Golf for the Dead at 2 am. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55859	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Disaster At S Helper Field

The following news bulletin was sent to me today from Stink Sock, not Deep Throat, as it seems another member of the List has decided to take a shot at Journalism. He could sure get a job at the D&K RR News/Gazette someday. In other news Shortstop Mosquito Rodriquez has been asked to attend the grand re-opening of the Frosty Bar tonight. Mike Marmer Dingburg, MD (AP) "A swarm of Giant Bees settled on the grandstands yesterday. Fortunately for the crowd there, it was a swarm, and swarming bees seldom sting. No one was crushed by the swarm, and all got away safely with no injuries except poor Dave, from the Funnel Cake booth who slipped in some spilled batter and cut his forehead. Doctors said he was dazed, but should be fine soon, " He's often in a daze anyway, so we don't see anything unusual about his behavior." the park is closed until the swarm moves on. Speculation of the source of the giant bees ranges from them coming from the Nuclear plant in the next state, or possibly from the dumpster at the Nutrition center (although a spokesperson there, a Linda M. stated, "I know NOTHING!"). This writer suspects they moved in from San Francisco looking for a new team to follow that MIGHT win a few games." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55860	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

How many bags do you want?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/28/2009 3:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Know where I can get me some 3/16 snow flakes? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55861	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Yes, can't hit the ball for anything back in 8th grade. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers ISN'T it??? Jim In a message dated 8/28/2009 2:07:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: of the shows was Golf for the Dead at 2 am. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55862	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update

Good evening. I am pleased to announce some important changes for advertisers and prospective advertisers. Effective Sept. 1, a new advertising rate card will be in effect. It features: 1) Lower rates for all display ad sizes! 2) More choices! Ads can now run 1x, 2x, 3x 4x and 6x (previously, only 1x, 3x & 6x were available). 3) More generous payment terms! Payment is now Net 30 days (was 15 days) and a 2% discount can be claimed if payment is made within 15 days of the invoice due date (was 10 days). The late charge for payments past due after 30 days will rise from 1.5% per month to 5% per month. Current advertisers who signed up under the special discount incentive when the magazine changed hands will be billed either the current agreed-upon rate or the new rates, whichever is less. You can download the new rate card, as well as a display ad reservation form from the magazine's Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com. Fed Chairman Ben Bernake has been quoted as saying that the recession is showing signs of easing. Let's prove him right! It's time to start advertising. The reserve date for the Fall issue has been extended to Sept. 15 with the closing date moved to Sept. 30. In other news, unfortunately two advertisers have been dropped due to non-payment. They have ignored nearly all correspondence from me, so I am left with no choice. The magazine is owed over $500 from these folks and that's a lot for a small business. The bottom line: I can't give the space away for free -- the printer wants to get paid (and so do I). The Summer issue, alas, is still at the printer. I received the proof and approved it a couple of weeks ago, but that's where things stand. The company that prints the magazine went through a merger a few weeks ago and moved to a new location and are asking their customers to be patient. I, in turn, ask for your patience and thank you in advance for your understanding. Any questions? Please feel free to contact me. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55863	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Disaster At S Helper Field

More chuckles from Mike M. & Co.! Thanks! Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55864	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Disaster At S Helper Field

Thanks Bill, but I did not write that "story". Someone on the S list we all know and love very much. LOL Well at least know. There where a few hints in that piece and it is not Linda. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Disaster At S Helper Field More chuckles from Mike M. & Co.! Thanks! Bill W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55865	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Frosty Bar

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/769775253/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=341&count=20&dir=asc I have pictures of the Frosty Bar I painted this week. I want to thank David T. for sending me pictures of the Frosty Bar that his wife painted. He gave the idea for the cream color walls. It is amazing how this looks now. Before you could not really notice it but now on the layout it is outstanding. I am not done yet, as I have to paint the side counter steel and then the juke boxes soda items, cash register, and condiment containers. I also finally found a way to take photos with the camera on a piece of wood so the pictures are not blurry anymore. I took a few new shots of the layout. I got a 3 story warehouse this week for the (Robert) Tufts Industrial Complex. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55866	From: michael prell	Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Won't they melt by time they get here?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 3:33 PM   How many bags do you want?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/28/2009 3:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlprell@yahoo. com writes: Know where I can get me some 3/16 snow flakes? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55867	From: barb	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4584

S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Well Mike, I am not sure what offended me most about your post of "women love seeing trains", but I didn't feel good reading it. For many women, trains are for more than 'seeing'. Although I haven't posted much in the past couple of years, I am now again making major progress on my layout. There would be something huge and signigicant missing in my life if I were restricted to just 'seeing' trains. Barb -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Aug 28, 2009 6:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4584 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (16 Messages) 1a. How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: jcolonbc 1b. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: Sheila Seccia 1c. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: jcolonbc 2a. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 2b. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 2c. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: Michael and Linda Marmer 2d. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 3a. Re: Vote for S Gauge From: royhoffman 4a. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. From: sgaugian 4b. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. From: Sheila Seccia 4c. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Don Thompson 4d. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Sheila Seccia 4e. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Sheila Seccia 5a. Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups 6. hobby visit From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER 7. Linda's Co workers From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "jcolonbc" jcolonbc@... jcolonbc Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:37 am (PDT) How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1b. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) Hi Jim, If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners. Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop. You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track. For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track. Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> wrote: From: jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1c. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "jcolonbc" jcolonbc@... jcolonbc Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:19 pm (PDT) Thanks for the help. Jim C-Texas --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners. Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop. You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track. For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track. Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc jcolonbc@... wrote: > > From: jcolonbc jcolonbc@... > Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Jim C. in Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2a. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:37 am (PDT) Yeah, great place with some nice displays! Used to be located in Liverpool.There's a fine shop in B-ville. (No, I'm serious-short for Baldwinsville-west of S-yracuse) run by two brothers and started by their Dad. Used to be an old train station. I think it's called The Junction. Great aitch-oh layout. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:13 PM My history with the "Cuse is much shorter than yours, but every time I visit the in-laws I try to get to JR Junction on Erie Blvd. He has some Flyer, both vintage and Flyonel as well as S Helper. I also like to hit Central Hobby Supply for decals and reference material --- On Wed, 8/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:39 PM A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2b. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:38 am (PDT) Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2c. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:10 am (PDT) Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2d. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:48 am (PDT) Mike, No he didn't, but that's alright. It's sometimes more fun to make stuff up as to what the possibilities could have been. You know. Sort of like having your own "s"-mall "s"-cale town to do with what you want because nobody's the boss of you now. Imagination being a truly wonderful thing. When I received that catalog I must have spent the better part of an hour reading the various descriptions and admiring the art work. Gilbert always tried to deliver quality in everything that went out of his shop. Want to have a good experience?Read the introduction to his early 1946-7 era Operations Manual. The prose is highly descriptive and well written. IMHO, nothing today matches the beauty of those few words. Like old time radio, it left alot to the imagination and for a kid, it was magic. Still is if one's a kid at heart. Have a great day, my Friend. You deserve it! Mike-getting ready for our "S"-tate Fair-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:16 AM Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 3a. Re: Vote for S Gauge Posted by: "royhoffman" royhoffman@... royhoffman Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:10 am (PDT) Once again, beautiful modeling ruined by a third rail! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ironhorse_66" <ejenterp@...> wrote: > > http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=lc&id=94 > > > > Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 4a. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@... sgaugian Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) I can vouch for SHS AF replacement wheels - - insulated and non-insulated. I use them in tenders for better pick-up (especially in engines like a 350 without pu shoes/feet), and rolling stock. Better rolling and operation in both cases. Just don't buy too many. They seem to go out of stock just about the time I want to buy more. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4b. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) Hi Mark, I would suggest putting new wheels on the tender trucks. PA10140 Copper Wheels would be the correct number for replacement. If you pushing the tender and the locomotive moves you may have a loose connection. Possibly a worn PA10209 rivet insulator or a tender truck that is bent and not making contact. If you have steel wheels rather than brass or copper, these make poor contact I believe the solution to your problem is to replace all 4 wheel sets on the tender. This will give you new wheels for electrical contact. These wheel sets for knuckle coupler tenders are XA10238B. These are copper and plastic and sell for $2.50 each. Because there is some play between the knuckle coupler side frame hole and the axle, you will have breaks in the electrical contact. I do have in stock brass bushings to insert in the knuckle coupler sideframes. These will tighten up the axle in the hole and will make the electric contact better. These sell 10 for $1.50. If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle coupler side frame. I would not recommend using "S" Helper wheels. If you have to replace the rear tender truck, it would much easier to use a American Flyer truck XA12A050B. Please email me seccia@..., if you have any other questions. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tender truck rebuilt. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:11 PM Have a AF 283 and a AF302. Running both of these with DC motors and motor decoders. Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the wheels and axles. It appears the wheels are old and out of round. Much side to side play on the axle. I did clean the wheels and the brass contact strips. Trains run but when they stop all I have to do is nudge the tender. Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4c. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901 Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:13 am (PDT) Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4d. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:38 pm (PDT) Hi Don, I have my own email account seccia@.... Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4e. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:10 pm (PDT) Hi Don, If your 00979 Wheels sets are the correct length and do not have needle point axle ends, I stand corrected. Sorry for the error. These would work. I still believe the repro American Flyer wheel sets are better replacements. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 5a. Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train Posted by: "Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups" shoot-all-spammers4@... jim17701pa Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:32 pm (PDT) SUBJECT: Disappearing Train Layout We hqve been working on a short YouTube video (not done), showing an O- gauge disappearing "Polar Express" train layout, that a gentlemen named Rob Mueller here in North Central Pennsylvania built. Rob did some investigation, and discovered that you can purchase a PDF version of the original article -- plus an updated article -- from Kalmbach for $2.95 . The original article appeared in the Nov 2001 Classic Toy Trains. You can also purchase that magazine issue from Kalmbach. There are links to Kalmbach pages to purchase the PDF article or the magazine, and also a small copy of one of their illustrations, on the following web page: http://www.track2.com/info/236/ ---------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> MacBook Pro/OS 10.5 ---------------------------------------------------------- > On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:23 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > Bob, > This is great! Tell us more about it. What is the size? Can you put > a diagrams in the photos or file section here? I have a portable 5x9 > layout I have been running at shows for years and this may be a good > replacement for that. Thanks for the video. > > Wayne Beachy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkj3PNT9vqs > Enjoy!!! > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh : ==========end of email ======== Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (15) 6. hobby visit Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:52 pm (PDT) Today I stopped in a hobby Shoppe in Gaithersburg, MD, as here in the DC area we do not really have a full service hobby Shoppe like the shop in Strasburg, PA by the TCA museum. However, he does carry Floquil paint and I needed some colors for a new project. He did not have the colors I needed, but on the way out, there was a man talking to the owner about his lightbulbs he was changing in his out sign. He looked at me and ask if I am Mike. I said yes? He said I am so and so, as he was in my Scout troop from 1966 to 1970, as he owned the business next door to the hobby Shoppe. So we talked for about a half hour or so about the old days. So, you never know what you really might find in a hobby Shoppe. There is a shop in Mount Airy, MD, 25 miles north of Gaithersburg that has a pretty good selection of things, but I think I will just go ahead and order the paint I need on line. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7. Linda's Co workers Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:37 pm (PDT) I forward some pictures of my layout to Linda at work and she forward them to several women co-workers. Linda is a dietician who does menu nutrition work at her headquarters of a company that provides food service to hospitals, school, business, sports, etc. They are all dieticians. All where totally impressed with the layout and want to see it. One loves the apple trees as Linda told her there will be bee hives and that there will be invisible bees, as that is joke, since they would be so small being in S. They all laugh as they thought that was really funny as I meant it to be. A half hour later, the co worker said to Linda, in a serious voice, she could paint some rice yellow and black. No, that would be too big, as they all laugh again. So, the worker said how about Couscous, which is a round grain. So, women love seeing trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 1 New Members 10 New PhotosVisit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Yahoo! Groups team blog. Need to Reply? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55868	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Playboy and Model Trains

Now you must be wondering what the heck am I writing about now, Playboy and Trains. LOL Well, this is a very clean story from my childhood. When I was in the Boy Scouts in the 1960's, I was the troop librarian for merit badge books. Some where always trying to bring along some "reading" material that was not allowed of course as the scout master had to always state this policy for some reason. Well, while at Goshen Scout Camp in 1968 I was going through the library in the case I had. There in between two books where torn out pages of Playboy with, ahem, pictures. I had no idea who put these here, either as a joke on me, incase the scout master went into the case for a certain book to embarrass me, which I probably was already, lol, or if someone thought they could really get away with them hiding their stash of pictures for later use. Well, I had no idea what to do as I knew I could not leave them in the case. So, I folded them up and put them in my wallet for safe keeping for now, as putting them in the trash might not be good. So, when I got home, I had to figure what to do with them, as I could not keep them in my wallet for the rest of my life. LOL So, I had to think as again, the trash might not be a good idea, if a parent or sibling saw them there. Then I got it! MODEL TRAIN COAL CARS!!!!!! Coal Cars always have a secret compartment, as the coal load is just like a cover as we all know and they you have the space for coal if you want to do that. Perfect hiding place, as no one in my family would ever think of taking the cover off of a coal car for anything nor did they really know that they worked this way. Who would of thought of that. So, I took the Playboy pages out of my wallet and folded them up real tight, as these where HO coal cars and place them in their "vault" and closed the "vault" with the coal load. It worked. So time goes on, the layout get taken down and the trains go into storage in a huge box. I still have the box of HO trains but the pages are gone! I have no memory of getting rid of them, so I do not know what happen to them. Soooo, all parents reading this, go now and check out your kids coal cars with coal load covers. You never know what they might be hiding in them from you. LOL The end. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55869	From: michael prell	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

iF SO, WOULD THEY BECOME 3/16THS INCH WATER?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:53 PM   Won't they melt by time they get here?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 3:33 PM   How many bags do you want?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/28/2009 3:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlprell@yahoo. com writes: Know where I can get me some 3/16 snow flakes? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55870	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's Co workers

Would be tremendously surprised if that happened. Same "snow" we use on the PVMR layout. Jim In a message dated 8/28/2009 10:27:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Won't they melt by time they get here? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 8/28/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Linda's Co workers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 3:33 PM How many bags do you want?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/28/2009 3:27:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlprell@yahoo. com writes: Know where I can get me some 3/16 snow flakes? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55871	From: Arthur Ferguson	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Kaddee Couplers

Wondering if any one out there has had problems with Kaddee couplers or draft gear boxes becoming a smokey or powdery color or condition and then failing ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55872	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: There would be something huge and signigicant missing in my life

I THINK there has been something HUGE & SIGNIFICANT missing from the S-Trains guys and gals who go to York twice a year because we've lost our "Conductor Barb". It is amusing to watch and read grown (men primarily) trying to figure out what to do without Barb's leadership at York. I am guessing everyone knows the CONDUCTOR runs the train??? Just the thoughts of a country boy, Jim Lyle ____________________________________ From: _rcespeak@..._ (mailto:rcespeak@...) For many women, trains are for more than 'seeing'. Although I haven't posted much in the past couple of years, I am now again making major progress on my layout. There would be something huge and signigicant missing in my life if I were restricted to just 'seeing' trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55873	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track

Alternative 2: I recently got a Gilbert bell crossing signal that I wanted to add to our club's modular layout which uses S-Helper track.  Dennis Zander of Z-Stuff for Trains made me up a 1075A flashing variation of his 1075 infrared sensor and it works great!  Since I have a two-track grade crossing, he explained how to connect a 1075 to the 1075A so the signal sounds and flashes if a train comes on either track.  No connections to either track!!!  And his service was FAST and he's really helpful and communicative.  I love it! By the way, his standard DZ-1075M was designed for Gilbert semaphores and the DZ-1075 for crossing gates.  No track trips! Dennis told me he would probably add the 1075A to his product line, so everybody out there send in an order! No, I don't work for Dennis; just an incredibly happy customer. --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 8:57 AM   Hi Jim,                   If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners.  Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop.   You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track.  For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track.  Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc <jcolonbc@twlt. net> wrote: From: jcolonbc <jcolonbc@twlt. net> Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM   How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55874	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Playboy and Model Trains

Mike, you BIG RAT,my wife read your post & found my hiding place for $$$. RATS, mike in Ore. Up to my ears in Bartletts In a message dated 8/29/2009 8:54:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Now you must be wondering what the heck am I writing about now, Playboy and Trains. LOL Well, this is a very clean story from my childhood. When I was in the Boy Scouts in the 1960's, I was the troop librarian for merit badge books. Some where always trying to bring along some "reading" material that was not allowed of course as the scout master had to always state this policy for some reason. Well, while at Goshen Scout Camp in 1968 I was going through the library in the case I had. There in between two books where torn out pages of Playboy with, ahem, pictures. I had no idea who put these here, either as a joke on me, incase the scout master went into the case for a certain book to embarrass me, which I probably was already, lol, or if someone thought they could really get away with them hiding their stash of pictures for later use. Well, I had no idea what to do as I knew I could not leave them in the case. So, I folded them up and put them in my wallet for safe keeping for now, as putting them in the trash might not be good. So, when I got home, I had to figure what to do with them, as I could not keep them in my wallet for the rest of my life. LOL So, I had to think as again, the trash might not be a good idea, if a parent or sibling saw them there. Then I got it! MODEL TRAIN COAL CARS!!!!!! Coal Cars always have a secret compartment, as the coal load is just like a cover as we all know and they you have the space for coal if you want to do that. Perfect hiding place, as no one in my family would ever think of taking the cover off of a coal car for anything nor did they really know that they worked this way. Who would of thought of that. So, I took the Playboy pages out of my wallet and folded them up real tight, as these where HO coal cars and place them in their "vault" and closed the "vault" with the coal load. It worked. So time goes on, the layout get taken down and the trains go into storage in a huge box. I still have the box of HO trains but the pages are gone! I have no memory of getting rid of them, so I do not know what happen to them. Soooo, all parents reading this, go now and check out your kids coal cars with coal load covers. You never know what they might be hiding in them from you. LOL The end. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55875	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Playboy and Model Trains

Mike, LOL 20 cents? LOL Just kidding. I teased my wife we could hide her jewelry in those cars as who think that. She said what if they take the whole car? LOL I guess not then. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Playboy and Model Trains Mike, you BIG RAT,my wife read your post & found my hiding place for $$$. RATS, mike in Ore. Up to my ears in Bartletts In a message dated 8/29/2009 8:54:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Now you must be wondering what the heck am I writing about now, Playboy and Trains. LOL Well, this is a very clean story from my childhood. When I was in the Boy Scouts in the 1960's, I was the troop librarian for merit badge books. Some where always trying to bring along some "reading" material that was not allowed of course as the scout master had to always state this policy for some reason. Well, while at Goshen Scout Camp in 1968 I was going through the library in the case I had. There in between two books where torn out pages of Playboy with, ahem, pictures. I had no idea who put these here, either as a joke on me, incase the scout master went into the case for a certain book to embarrass me, which I probably was already, lol, or if someone thought they could really get away with them hiding their stash of pictures for later use. Well, I had no idea what to do as I knew I could not leave them in the case. So, I folded them up and put them in my wallet for safe keeping for now, as putting them in the trash might not be good. So, when I got home, I had to figure what to do with them, as I could not keep them in my wallet for the rest of my life. LOL So, I had to think as again, the trash might not be a good idea, if a parent or sibling saw them there. Then I got it! MODEL TRAIN COAL CARS!!!!!! Coal Cars always have a secret compartment, as the coal load is just like a cover as we all know and they you have the space for coal if you want to do that. Perfect hiding place, as no one in my family would ever think of taking the cover off of a coal car for anything nor did they really know that they worked this way. Who would of thought of that. So, I took the Playboy pages out of my wallet and folded them up real tight, as these where HO coal cars and place them in their "vault" and closed the "vault" with the coal load. It worked. So time goes on, the layout get taken down and the trains go into storage in a huge box. I still have the box of HO trains but the pages are gone! I have no memory of getting rid of them, so I do not know what happen to them. Soooo, all parents reading this, go now and check out your kids coal cars with coal load covers. You never know what they might be hiding in them from you. LOL The end. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55876	From: Robert Conner	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Barbs Trains

I recently had the pleasure of visiting Barb..... Her little loop, as some might think, of a train would put MANY OF OUR LAYOUTS TO SHAME.... It is HUGE..... Works fine... And is a layout with lots of action.... AND SHE HAS DONE IT ALL HERSELF!!!!!! And when something breaks... SHE FIXES IT!!!!! Just seeing several trains run at once was a thrill.... CTT Needs this one... Even the little HO AF train high up on the mountain, for scale... And her Turntable and roundhouse works perfectly (except all the engines are in the wrong way... HA HA HA)(But that the way she likes them)..... She is a wonderful , Talented Lady, Barb..... post some more pictures of your layout.... And you should see the Building she built for the trains..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55877	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers

Not in 50 years of using them in both HO and S... Bill Winans Wondering if any one out there has had problems with Kaddee couplers or draft gear boxes becoming a smokey or powdery color or condition and then failing ? Arthur F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55878	From: michael prell	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: Playboy and Model Trains

Soft speeking mice ate them.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Playboy and Model Trains To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>, "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, jsnell5990@... Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 11:21 AM   Now you must be wondering what the heck am I writing about now, Playboy and Trains. LOL Well, this is a very clean story from my childhood. When I was in the Boy Scouts in the 1960's, I was the troop librarian for merit badge books. Some where always trying to bring along some "reading" material that was not allowed of course as the scout master had to always state this policy for some reason. Well, while at Goshen Scout Camp in 1968 I was going through the library in the case I had. There in between two books where torn out pages of Playboy with, ahem, pictures. I had no idea who put these here, either as a joke on me, incase the scout master went into the case for a certain book to embarrass me, which I probably was already, lol, or if someone thought they could really get away with them hiding their stash of pictures for later use. Well, I had no idea what to do as I knew I could not leave them in the case. So, I folded them up and put them in my wallet for safe keeping for now, as putting them in the trash might not be good. So, when I got home, I had to figure what to do with them, as I could not keep them in my wallet for the rest of my life. LOL So, I had to think as again, the trash might not be a good idea, if a parent or sibling saw them there. Then I got it! MODEL TRAIN COAL CARS!!!!!! Coal Cars always have a secret compartment, as the coal load is just like a cover as we all know and they you have the space for coal if you want to do that. Perfect hiding place, as no one in my family would ever think of taking the cover off of a coal car for anything nor did they really know that they worked this way. Who would of thought of that. So, I took the Playboy pages out of my wallet and folded them up real tight, as these where HO coal cars and place them in their "vault" and closed the "vault" with the coal load. It worked. So time goes on, the layout get taken down and the trains go into storage in a huge box. I still have the box of HO trains but the pages are gone! I have no memory of getting rid of them, so I do not know what happen to them. Soooo, all parents reading this, go now and check out your kids coal cars with coal load covers. You never know what they might be hiding in them from you. LOL The end. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55879	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: CTT and Barb

CTT will never know about it unless Barb contacts them. I believe Barb did contact them once to do her layout, but I think she moved before it was done. I contacted CTT and S Gaugian about my layout. CTT is going to do a story on it, as Roger has called me and sends me emails, as I keep up to date on it. Anyone can do the same. S Gaugian wants you to write the story and take the pictures, which might be a damper, since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. Bob, thanks for the update on Barb and her layout. It sounds like a nice layout and she should contact CTT. I am glad she is doing well. I miss seeing her post on the site. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55880	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" talents. Jim In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55881	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/29/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/30/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55882	From: traintracks01	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: S items for sale 8/29/2009

Last chance for these before I put them on EBAY. Make me an offer. With the way my Job is going lately I just don't have that much hobby time so an offer may be easier route for me. For Sale S Items August 29, 2009 Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126, Kenmore, Wa 98028 eric@... 1. Lionel Flyer 6-48041 Union Pacific Mikado 2-8-2 engine new in Box $389. (List $529) (shipping to USA included) 2. 3. 4. sold......... 5. SHS panelside hopper Rock island 89813 new-NO-box both wheels $25 6. SHS panelside hopper Rock island 89772 new-NO-box both wheels $25 .. 7. SHS panelside hopper GTW 108461 new-NO-box both wheels $25 8. Am Models NP 7520-B Wood Built up RTR Caboose Newinbox $30 9. Am Models 2229 milwaukee plug door refer . fasttracktrains newinbox $30 10. sold............ 11. Am Models kit #712 GN wide view caboose X273 newinbox with trucks. $25 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. sold ..... 17. S Scale America Canadian National hopper flyer compatible DPS 15062 car# 111498 newinbox..$30 .. 18. S Scale America hopper car Milwaukee 321008. Shs trucks Has scale wheels and Kadees, your choice, I can change back to knuckles and Hirail wheels. $30 19. panelside hopper Canadian National 117791 new-NO-box both wheels $25 20. 01981 S Helper Refer Marhoefer ultx 72215 newinbox..$37.50 .. 21. 01957 S Helper Refer PFE UP oval #3 11040 newinbox..$37.50 . 22. 00346 S Helper Steel Rebuilt BoxcarXM Great Northern 2058 green/orange like new in box .$35 . I do have a 3 place SHS hopper box, if you buy at least 2 I will include the box. Make an offer on any or all. Shipping will be $7 for one or $9 for 2, $10 for 3 or more USPS ground. Check, M.O., or Paypal work for me. Thanks for looking Eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55883	From: michael prell	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

Trust your eye and instinct. It's a great way to learn about and gain perspective. Hell, when the camera was invented noone said, "that's a great shot." It was learned. It is an art but most of the time it is amateure photography that's the best. There are certain aspects about your layout that are, no doubt significant to you. Start wide and slowly go into those areas that please you most. Nothing ventured, nothing gained or learned.Don't be afraid to try. It's fun. Mike-still trying to learn in S-yracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/29/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:53 PM   BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" talents. Jim In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

And I will. LOL Thanks Jim. Maybe I can bribe them with some Blueberry muffins that I am going to bring you in December. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" talents. Jim In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55885	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

Mike, I was going to give it a try, as the publishing said to read many of the stories written by others to get a feel of how to do it. Wont be till next year. Thanks for the help. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb Trust your eye and instinct. It's a great way to learn about and gain perspective. Hell, when the camera was invented noone said, "that's a great shot." It was learned. It is an art but most of the time it is amateure photography that's the best. There are certain aspects about your layout that are, no doubt significant to you. Start wide and slowly go into those areas that please you most. Nothing ventured, nothing gained or learned.Don't be afraid to try. It's fun. Mike-still trying to learn in S-yracuse-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/29/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:53 PM BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" talents. Jim In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55886	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Playboy and Model Trains

Now I know why there are so many O gauge people in this world. Think of all the stuff you can hide in those coal cars with cover loads. And then the tankers cars. Why not just go to G scale. LOL Who needs safe deposit boxes anymore or safes. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55887	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

The key element is the photos. A few years ago, the NMRA was holding their national convention a few miles away. A friend of mine had a garage-sized layout that was loaded with details, packed with scenery, powered with a state-of-the-art control system, populated with cars, locos and people, included long, flawless runs, lights and animation. We contacted another Kalmbach publication and asked if they would be interested in visiting since they would already be in the area and talking about an article. They said, maybe. We were to send them some snapshots to see if they might like the subject matter. We did. They didn't. The response was that the photos were not 'publication quality' for them. Well of course not, they were just the snapshots requested. My friend was so bummed he refused any further efforts. The editors always say they are starved for good material, but, the reality is that (like most editors) they don't want to do much work to get that material. The moral I came away with is that there is only one chance for a first impression, the first impression is vital and the photos are the essence. Words come later and may be good or bad. The photos are really everything. If you want your layout published, be sure to take a few photos that are the highest resolution you can get, are well-lighted and properly composed. Start with just one or two and send them in for the 'Photo Album' feature in CTT. Let them know there is more where they came from and let it ride. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb Trust your eye and instinct. It's a great way to learn about and gain perspective. Hell, when the camera was invented noone said, "that's a great shot." It was learned. It is an art but most of the time it is amateure photography that's the best. There are certain aspects about your layout that are, no doubt significant to you. Start wide and slowly go into those areas that please you most. Nothing ventured, nothing gained or learned.Don't be afraid to try. It's fun. Mike-still trying to learn in S-yracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/29/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:53 PM   BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" talents. Jim In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55888	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

There are other publications, PLUS the internet now. Sounds like something we would like to see. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/30/2009 2:56:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wpporter@... writes: We contacted another Kalmbach publication and asked if they would be interested in visiting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55889	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

I sent my original email to CTT with my bad photos that are seem in my photo album on this site and Roger Carp the editor was very friendly to me about the layout, as I told him these where not the best photos. So, I am not sure what happen, but try again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb The key element is the photos. A few years ago, the NMRA was holding their national convention a few miles away. A friend of mine had a garage-sized layout that was loaded with details, packed with scenery, powered with a state-of-the-art control system, populated with cars, locos and people, included long, flawless runs, lights and animation. We contacted another Kalmbach publication and asked if they would be interested in visiting since they would already be in the area and talking about an article. They said, maybe. We were to send them some snapshots to see if they might like the subject matter. We did. They didn't. The response was that the photos were not 'publication quality' for them. Well of course not, they were just the snapshots requested. My friend was so bummed he refused any further efforts. The editors always say they are starved for good material, but, the reality is that (like most editors) they don't want to do much work to get that material. The moral I came away with is that there is only one chance for a first impression, the first impression is vital and the photos are the essence. Words come later and may be good or bad. The photos are really everything. If you want your layout published, be sure to take a few photos that are the highest resolution you can get, are well-lighted and properly composed. Start with just one or two and send them in for the 'Photo Album' feature in CTT. Let them know there is more where they came from and let it ride. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb Trust your eye and instinct. It's a great way to learn about and gain perspective. Hell, when the camera was invented noone said, "that's a great shot." It was learned. It is an art but most of the time it is amateure photography that's the best. There are certain aspects about your layout that are, no doubt significant to you. Start wide and slowly go into those areas that please you most. Nothing ventured, nothing gained or learned.Don't be afraid to try. It's fun. Mike-still trying to learn in S-yracuse-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/29/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:53 PM BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" talents. Jim In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55890	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

Bill, et al, I think it is not necessarily that editors do not to do that much work to get good material. It is all about the money. Ask Bob Werre (or me) how much it costs to pack all the gear, maybe hire an assistant, rent a motel and feed a photographer, all to get some publishable photos. Yes, CTT and others do on occasion assign and pay a relatively small amount for photography. But the layout has to offer the possibility of a solid story concept and multiple pages in the magazine. I have had no work published by CTT, but I have had a number of photos in Trains, another Kalmbach magazine. Trains pays $30 per photo inside, $300 for the cover. Midwest Living pays a minimum of $200 per photo inside (for stock work) $2,000 for a cover. Given that we all have a limited amount of time, if it were your lively hood, which publication would you rather work for? The point is, if CTT paid what some other national publications pay, there would be no shortage of good material. I understand that the model train market is not as large as the MWL audience, but holy cow Batman, Kalmbach is tight, just plain tight, and takes extreme advantage of contributors. Roy Inman on 8/30/09 2:12 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > > I sent my original email to CTT with my bad photos that are seem in my photo > album on this site and Roger Carp the editor was very friendly to me about the > layout, as I told him these where not the best photos. > > So, I am not sure what happen, but try again. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Porter > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:31 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb > > The key element is the photos. > > A few years ago, the NMRA was holding their national convention a few > miles away. A friend of mine had a garage-sized layout that was loaded > with details, packed with scenery, powered with a state-of-the-art > control system, populated with cars, locos and people, included long, > flawless runs, lights and animation. We contacted another Kalmbach > publication and asked if they would be interested in visiting since they > would already be in the area and talking about an article. They said, > maybe. We were to send them some snapshots to see if they might like the > subject matter. We did. They didn't. The response was that the photos > were not 'publication quality' for them. Well of course not, they were > just the snapshots requested. My friend was so bummed he refused any > further efforts. The editors always say they are starved for good > material, but, the reality is that (like most editors) they don't want > to do much work to get that material. > > The moral I came away with is that there is only one chance for a first > impression, the first impression is vital and the photos are the > essence. Words come later and may be good or bad. The photos are really > everything. > > If you want your layout published, be sure to take a few photos that are > the highest resolution you can get, are well-lighted and properly > composed. Start with just one or two and send them in for the 'Photo > Album' feature in CTT. Let them know there is more where they came from > and let it ride. > > Good Luck, > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of michael prell > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:51 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb > > Trust your eye and instinct. It's a great way to learn about and gain > perspective. Hell, when the camera was invented noone said, "that's a > great shot." It was learned. It is an art but most of the time it is > amateure photography that's the best. There are certain aspects about > your layout that are, no doubt significant to you. Start wide and slowly > go into those areas that please you most. Nothing ventured, nothing > gained or learned.Don't be afraid to try. It's fun. > Mike-still trying to learn in S-yracuse-Prell > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Sat, 8/29/09, WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> <WJJIM@... > <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> > wrote: > > From: WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> <WJJIM@... > <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:53 PM > > BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" > talents. > > Jim > > In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mlmarmer@msn. com writes: > > since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a > > story acceptable for a magazine. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55891	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

Actually someone probably did say that. The French inventor of photography in the late 1820's was an artist I believe and the English inventor of modern photography a few years later, Fox Talbot, certainly had artistic reproduction of scenes around him in mind and his early paper negative produced prints were carefully compiled shots worthy of the name Art. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb Trust your eye and instinct. It's a great way to learn about and gain perspective. Hell, when the camera was invented noone said, "that's a great shot." It was learned. It is an art but most of the time it is amateure photography that's the best. There are certain aspects about your layout that are, no doubt significant to you. Start wide and slowly go into those areas that please you most. Nothing ventured, nothing gained or learned.Don't be afraid to try. It's fun. Mike-still trying to learn in S-yracuse-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 8/29/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:53 PM BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" talents. Jim In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a story acceptable for a magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2335 - Release Date: 08/30/09 06:36:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55892	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Wish for this building

http://www.palsweb.com/ Pal's is a small hamburger fast food chain with a very unique building design. I think it would be neat of a building vendor could get permission to make this as a kit, as it would be very eye catching on any layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55893	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: CTT and Barb

I thought that was why we have magazines for anything in life, for them to do stories on what the magazine is all about. And that would mean a expense in doing the stories. Hopefully they cover their costs and make a profit after expensives as subscriptions and advertising is how they get revenue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb Bill, et al, I think it is not necessarily that editors do not to do that much work to get good material. It is all about the money. Ask Bob Werre (or me) how much it costs to pack all the gear, maybe hire an assistant, rent a motel and feed a photographer, all to get some publishable photos. Yes, CTT and others do on occasion assign and pay a relatively small amount for photography. But the layout has to offer the possibility of a solid story concept and multiple pages in the magazine. I have had no work published by CTT, but I have had a number of photos in Trains, another Kalmbach magazine. Trains pays $30 per photo inside, $300 for the cover. Midwest Living pays a minimum of $200 per photo inside (for stock work) $2,000 for a cover. Given that we all have a limited amount of time, if it were your lively hood, which publication would you rather work for? The point is, if CTT paid what some other national publications pay, there would be no shortage of good material. I understand that the model train market is not as large as the MWL audience, but holy cow Batman, Kalmbach is tight, just plain tight, and takes extreme advantage of contributors. Roy Inman on 8/30/09 2:12 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > > I sent my original email to CTT with my bad photos that are seem in my photo > album on this site and Roger Carp the editor was very friendly to me about the > layout, as I told him these where not the best photos. > > So, I am not sure what happen, but try again. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Porter > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:31 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb > > The key element is the photos. > > A few years ago, the NMRA was holding their national convention a few > miles away. A friend of mine had a garage-sized layout that was loaded > with details, packed with scenery, powered with a state-of-the-art > control system, populated with cars, locos and people, included long, > flawless runs, lights and animation. We contacted another Kalmbach > publication and asked if they would be interested in visiting since they > would already be in the area and talking about an article. They said, > maybe. We were to send them some snapshots to see if they might like the > subject matter. We did. They didn't. The response was that the photos > were not 'publication quality' for them. Well of course not, they were > just the snapshots requested. My friend was so bummed he refused any > further efforts. The editors always say they are starved for good > material, but, the reality is that (like most editors) they don't want > to do much work to get that material. > > The moral I came away with is that there is only one chance for a first > impression, the first impression is vital and the photos are the > essence. Words come later and may be good or bad. The photos are really > everything. > > If you want your layout published, be sure to take a few photos that are > the highest resolution you can get, are well-lighted and properly > composed. Start with just one or two and send them in for the 'Photo > Album' feature in CTT. Let them know there is more where they came from > and let it ride. > > Good Luck, > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of michael prell > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:51 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb > > Trust your eye and instinct. It's a great way to learn about and gain > perspective. Hell, when the camera was invented noone said, "that's a > great shot." It was learned. It is an art but most of the time it is > amateure photography that's the best. There are certain aspects about > your layout that are, no doubt significant to you. Start wide and slowly > go into those areas that please you most. Nothing ventured, nothing > gained or learned.Don't be afraid to try. It's fun. > Mike-still trying to learn in S-yracuse-Prell > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Sat, 8/29/09, WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> <WJJIM@... > <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> > wrote: > > From: WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> <WJJIM@... > <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT and Barb > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 3:53 PM > > BUT you can TRY. Might be a hidden talent. Reading now about "hidden" > talents. > > Jim > > In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mlmarmer@msn. com writes: > > since I do not have the professional camera nor do I think I can write a > > story acceptable for a magazine. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55894	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: CTT and Barb

I have done articles for Garden Railways (contributing editor many years ago), Steam in the Garden, Vintage Oval racing (covereage of AARA touring series five years), O Gauge Railroading and more recently S Gaugian. I have submitted work to other magazines and several novels to publishing houses. Magazine editors can be comparatively lazy. The best way to get your work published is to have the article damn near print ready and provide crisp photos that meet or better their specifications. Then be very patient. Magazine editors often have more material than they can use, or try to hold certain types of articles as a special issue. I've have articles tied up for years with certain magazines, but found out that you can't even write a similar article for another magazine while you wait. (Most hobby magazines DO NOT send notification that they are not going to publish, while Time, Newsweek and many others will at least send a rejection letter, which allows you to submit your work to others.) IF your article is used, the payment is held until publication (often much later) and varies widely from magazine to magazine, if there is payment at all! As to Barb, I have never met her, but from postings and e-mail, I wouldn't underestimate her. I get the feeling that if she had been around in the Golden Era of Aviation she would have been an Aviatrix with the talent and drive of a Jackie Cochran or Pancho Barnes, but less publicity seeking than Amelia Earhart. Stumpy Stone...in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55895	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/30/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55896	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: New photos added

Friends,   I have just uploaded some recent photos of Nicole's layout. Please check them out. We have added our Plasticville structures. Most of these structures were bought in the early 1950's. There are some LittleTown buildings as well.   Enjoy, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55897	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: S items for sale 8/29/2009

Hello again Eric, If still available..... I'm submitting my offer of $495 plus shipping for items 1,5,6,7,17,20,and 21 Let me know if this works for you and I will paypal funds. Thanks Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "traintracks01" <traintracks01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:51:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] S items for sale 8/29/2009 Last chance for these before I put them on EBAY. Make me an offer. With the way my Job is going lately I just don't have that much hobby time so an offer may be easier route for me. For Sale S Items August 29, 2009 Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126, Kenmore, Wa 98028 eric@... 1. Lionel Flyer 6-48041 Union Pacific Mikado 2-8-2 engine new in Box $389. (List $529) (shipping to USA included) 2. 3. 4. sold......... 5. SHS panelside hopper Rock island 89813 new-NO-box both wheels $25…………………… 6. SHS panelside hopper Rock island 89772 new-NO-box both wheels $25…………………….. 7. SHS panelside hopper GTW 108461 new-NO-box both wheels $25………………………… 8. Am Models NP 7520-B Wood Built up RTR Caboose Newinbox $30……………………… 9. Am Models 2229 milwaukee plug door refer…. fasttracktrains…newinbox $30…………… 10. sold............ 11. Am Models kit #712 GN wide view caboose X273 newinbox with trucks. $25…………… 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. sold ..... 17. S Scale America Canadian National hopper flyer compatible DPS 15062 car# 111498 newinbox..$30………….. 18. S Scale America hopper car Milwaukee 321008. Shs trucks Has scale wheels and Kadees, your choice, I can change back to knuckles and Hirail wheels. $30………… 19. panelside hopper Canadian National 117791 new-NO-box both wheels $25…………… 20. 01981 S Helper Refer Marhoefer ultx 72215 newinbox..$37.50……………….. 21. 01957 S Helper Refer PFE UP oval #3 11040 newinbox..$37.50………………. 22. 00346 S Helper Steel Rebuilt BoxcarXM Great Northern 2058 green/orange…like new in box….$35…………. I do have a 3 place SHS hopper box, if you buy at least 2 I will include the box. Make an offer on any or all. Shipping will be $7 for one or $9 for 2, $10 for 3 or more USPS ground. Check, M.O., or Paypal work for me. Thanks for looking Eric…………… [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55898	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Hi Nick and others. A good way to get others to look at your pictures is to click on view pictures and it takes you to the first new picture you loaded. Then copy and paste the website to your email about them. It really helps to have this. A direct connection. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New photos added Friends, I have just uploaded some recent photos of Nicole's layout. Please check them out. We have added our Plasticville structures. Most of these structures were bought in the early 1950's. There are some LittleTown buildings as well. Enjoy, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55899	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Nick, What the devil have you been feeding those chickens?????????? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Friends, >   > I have just uploaded some recent photos of Nicole's layout. Please check them out. We have added our Plasticville structures. Most of these structures were bought in the early 1950's. There are some LittleTown buildings as well. >   > Enjoy, > Nick Kulp > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55900	From: bstilesaf	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: The price of ballast

I recently got a small trailer full of stone dust from the local masonry supply place to use as ballast on my garden railroad. The cost...$16 per ton. My load came in at just under 1000 pounds. The price, including taxes, was $7. Then I thought about the price of a Woodland Scenics ballast container from the hobby shop. About the same as 1000 pounds for my outdoor railroad. Now if that doesn't make you think... Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55901	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: The price of ballast

Ben, I am told the limestone (calcium ) is corrosive, the hobby shop stuff is usually granite, non -corrosive. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/30/2009 8:55:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: I recently got a small trailer full of stone dust from the local masonry supply place to use as ballast on my garden railroad. The cost...$16 per ton. My load came in at just under 1000 pounds. The price, including taxes, was $7. Then I thought about the price of a Woodland Scenics ballast container from the hobby shop. About the same as 1000 pounds for my outdoor railroad. Now if that doesn't make you think... Ben ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55902	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Thanks Mike,   The link is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/575720234/pic/239940160/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc   That is the latest photo.   Regards, Nick --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos added To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:50 PM Hi Nick and others. A good way to get others to look at your pictures is to click on view pictures and it takes you to the first new picture you loaded. Then copy and paste the website to your email about them. It really helps to have this. A direct connection. Mike   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55903	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/30/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Hi BG,   ==== Nick, What the devil have you been feeding those chickens?????????? BG1 =====   The chickens are my wife's. I think they were raised near 3-Mile Island around 1979.   Honestly, when I had my HO layout operational, she built a nice farm scene. She built all of the buildings, painted the figures, and added the animals. While digging through my old train stuff, she found the toy animals that used to go on my Christmas Flyer layout when I was a kid. She kept sneaking one of those chikens onto the layout. When I built the Flyer layout, she told me the chickens "were part of the Flyer stuff", and I could not object.   I have to sleep at night.   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55904	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Nick, Thank you so much for doing that I figured I would get lost trying to find you album and then the pictures. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos added Thanks Mike, The link is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/575720234/pic/239940160/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc That is the latest photo. Regards, Nick --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos added To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:50 PM Hi Nick and others. A good way to get others to look at your pictures is to click on view pictures and it takes you to the first new picture you loaded. Then copy and paste the website to your email about them. It really helps to have this. A direct connection. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55905	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Nick, Looks good. Yes, I like the chickens too. Where did they come from as that is the neat thing about adding things. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos added Thanks Mike, The link is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/575720234/pic/239940160/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc That is the latest photo. Regards, Nick --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos added To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:50 PM Hi Nick and others. A good way to get others to look at your pictures is to click on view pictures and it takes you to the first new picture you loaded. Then copy and paste the website to your email about them. It really helps to have this. A direct connection. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55906	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55907	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: The price of ballast

I too was in garden railways, although some years ago. I tried limestone tailings for ballast on my outdoor line because there is a limestone quarry only two miles from me. I found that the limestone slowly disolved into powder that got into everything and promoted plant growth. Rain splashed this powder as well so it was quite a mess after a time, getting into rail joints and so on. Fortunately, much of my locomotive fleet was based on LGB chassis with sealed gears and motors, and I convered to battery power. I switched to using "chicken grit" which was the right scale and is granite. It came in inexpensive 50lb. bags and didn't make a mess either. From my experiance, I'd avoid limestone for use around anything with exposed gears, railjoints, etc, indoors or out. While Woodland Scenics stuff tends to be rather expensive, they're not the only player in the game. Any type ballast made specifically for model railroads will cost a bit, but will be safe for such use. Stumpy Stone...been there, paid for that...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55908	From: workinalure	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Mike, Don't paint the tip of the radio tower. Cut a half inch off of a straw and put a red pea lamp in it at stick on top for a lighted tower. I've been away a long time. Do the hobby shops still have pea lamps? Mark B. Preman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55909	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: WINNER FALL 2009

For all of the members that would like to see an outstanding reefer we have posted the photograph on our album pages. This photo won the free decals give-a-way at our web site. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55910	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Mike, I believe someone some time back suggested painting Plasticville roofs with a coat of DullCoat (?) to reduce the shine. That might be quicker and easier than painting the roofs with a color coat? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55911	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Painting Frosty Bar

Mike, "When I got done, she (Linda) said she has some ideas for the other buildings." I certainly HOPE you have bought Linda her own paints by now. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55912	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Painting Frosty Bar

LOL No, she had the paints I have all lined up for me to do. Which is fine. But someone thinks she is now going to want to paint all my AF Hudson's different colors, like the 3 LN 21130 Hudson's that go with each set. No, she knows those are too valuable to paint up. But then the Penn Salt Tanker could use a new coat of paint. Red, might be good. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: mlmarmer@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; jcryba@... ; cookster1030@... ; ralcor888@... ; steve.conard@... ; steve@... ; JSnell5990@... ; tldilelo@... ; yaheynow@... Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Painting Frosty Bar Mike, "When I got done, she (Linda) said she has some ideas for the other buildings." I certainly HOPE you have bought Linda her own paints by now. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55913	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Hi Mark, Good to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. I never heard of a pea lamp before. I will have to check this out. Thank you so much for that idea. I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: workinalure To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout Mike, Don't paint the tip of the radio tower. Cut a half inch off of a straw and put a red pea lamp in it at stick on top for a lighted tower. I've been away a long time. Do the hobby shops still have pea lamps? Mark B. Preman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55914	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

David, I thought of that too. But the paint I have it on, will have to spray with dull coat. I think the paint will do something for it with the dull coat. The Frosty Bar roof is fine, but the paint I am using for the red, is shiny. It is the same paint as the RR station, as that was shiny too and I spray dull coat on that. I think the brown I am using might be okay. And thanks David for sending me those pictures of your Frosty Bar that your wife painted. It helped me with many colors for it. Painting up PLasticville is real easy and it makes a big difference. And if you want to remove the paint, use Purple Power and it does not harm to the plastic. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout Mike, I believe someone some time back suggested painting Plasticville roofs with a coat of DullCoat (?) to reduce the shine. That might be quicker and easier than painting the roofs with a color coat? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55915	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Dear Mike, I think he means "bulb". You know, grain of rice bulb, etc.... Don On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Good to hear from you. > > I hope you are doing well. > > I never heard of a pea lamp before. > > I will have to check this out. > > Thank you so much for that idea. > > I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you > might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: workinalure > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout > > Mike, > Don't paint the tip of the radio tower. Cut a half inch off of a > straw and put a red pea lamp in it at stick on top for a lighted > tower. I've been away a long time. Do the hobby shops still have pea > lamps? > > Mark B. Preman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the > counters too. I will have pictures later. > > > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other > buildings. > > > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same > gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are > fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/ > yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some > projects. > > > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look > toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are > too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for > each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, > the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the > roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted > but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is > for warning for aircraft mainly. > > > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and > it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55916	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: WINNER FALL 2009

Hi Dave,   I'd love to see the photos. A web address would be very helpful. I made the same mistake when I posted my photos.   Thanks, Nick Kulp       For all of the members that would like to see an outstanding reefer we have posted the photograph on our album pages. This photo won the free decals give-a-way at our web site. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55917	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Thanks Mike,   The chickens, buildings, toy trucks, animals and figures all came from toys my parents bought and put on our Christmas layout in the early 1950's. I still have all of the trains and accessories, and they all work. They were only out of the boxes 2 months of the years, then they were packed away until next Christmas. When I was married and moved away from home, my folks would come to visit and during one visit, my father asked me if "I wanted the trains". I was modeling in HO scale by then but they meant so much to me that I did not want to see them given away. Only recently within the last 5 years, I started to set up a small Flyer layout at Christmas after I joined the TCA. Cedar smoke reignited the fun and the layout is partially a result of that, plus my daughter's inheritence of her Godfather's collection.   I hope they make people happy. They are the reason I got started in this great hobby.   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55918	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: New photos added

Hi Nick, Thanks for telling us more about these things on your layout as that has great meaning and memory to you as they go deep back into your childhood. It seems that you where not the only one who AF first then went the HO route and came back to AF and S overall. Hopefully these will be pass down to your daughter someday. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos added Thanks Mike, The chickens, buildings, toy trucks, animals and figures all came from toys my parents bought and put on our Christmas layout in the early 1950's. I still have all of the trains and accessories, and they all work. They were only out of the boxes 2 months of the years, then they were packed away until next Christmas. When I was married and moved away from home, my folks would come to visit and during one visit, my father asked me if "I wanted the trains". I was modeling in HO scale by then but they meant so much to me that I did not want to see them given away. Only recently within the last 5 years, I started to set up a small Flyer layout at Christmas after I joined the TCA. Cedar smoke reignited the fun and the layout is partially a result of that, plus my daughter's inheritence of her Godfather's collection. I hope they make people happy. They are the reason I got started in this great hobby. Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55919	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Mike -- You can also get flashing LED's at the local electronics supply house... Bill Winans I never heard of a pea lamp before. I will have to check this out. Thank you so much for that idea. I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55920	From: workinalure	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Wow! A tower named after me? And all I wanted was to be "planted" in the tall corn. Mark B. Preman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Good to hear from you. > > I hope you are doing well. > > I never heard of a pea lamp before. > > I will have to check this out. > > Thank you so much for that idea. > > I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: workinalure > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout > > > Mike, > Don't paint the tip of the radio tower. Cut a half inch off of a straw and put a red pea lamp in it at stick on top for a lighted tower. I've been away a long time. Do the hobby shops still have pea lamps? > > Mark B. Preman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. > > > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. > > > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. > > > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. > > > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55921	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Hallmark's 1942 Harley-Davidson

I was in picking out a card for my daughter, so I had to pick one of these up! http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album105/IMG_2409 Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55922	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Don, See again, I told you all I know nothing about the "technical side" of these things. LOL yes, I thought of that after I sent that. Now to get one red "dim" bulb. LOL I painted the white thing for the Antenna and will get a red bulb the next time I see one, as they are still available. Then I can do what Mark and get the wire to run down the antenna, paint the wire and there it is. Now I need some airplanes roving the sky's over S Helper Field. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout Dear Mike, I think he means "bulb". You know, grain of rice bulb, etc.... Don On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Good to hear from you. > > I hope you are doing well. > > I never heard of a pea lamp before. > > I will have to check this out. > > Thank you so much for that idea. > > I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you > might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: workinalure > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout > > Mike, > Don't paint the tip of the radio tower. Cut a half inch off of a > straw and put a red pea lamp in it at stick on top for a lighted > tower. I've been away a long time. Do the hobby shops still have pea > lamps? > > Mark B. Preman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the > counters too. I will have pictures later. > > > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other > buildings. > > > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same > gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are > fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/ > yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some > projects. > > > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look > toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are > too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for > each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, > the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the > roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted > but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is > for warning for aircraft mainly. > > > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and > it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55923	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: WINNER FALL 2009

Nice,      The photo is in the photos section of this group or you can use this link and look at the bottom of the page.   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html        Take care. Dave --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WINNER FALL 2009 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:47 PM   Hi Dave,   I'd love to see the photos. A web address would be very helpful. I made the same mistake when I posted my photos.   Thanks, Nick Kulp       For all of the members that would like to see an outstanding reefer we have posted the photograph on our album pages. This photo won the free decals give-a-way at our web site. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55924	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4584

I just saw this from Barb, as I am sorry that Barb you feel I offended you. Well, Linda's co-workers, are all female, loved the pictures of my layout. If I offended you in any way, I am truly sorry. You know I have great respect for your knowledge and workings with trains. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4584 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Well Mike, I am not sure what offended me most about your post of "women love seeing trains", but I didn't feel good reading it. For many women, trains are for more than 'seeing'. Although I haven't posted much in the past couple of years, I am now again making major progress on my layout. There would be something huge and signigicant missing in my life if I were restricted to just 'seeing' trains. Barb -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Aug 28, 2009 6:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4584 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (16 Messages) 1a. How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: jcolonbc 1b. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: Sheila Seccia 1c. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: jcolonbc 2a. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 2b. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 2c. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: Michael and Linda Marmer 2d. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 3a. Re: Vote for S Gauge From: royhoffman 4a. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. From: sgaugian 4b. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. From: Sheila Seccia 4c. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Don Thompson 4d. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Sheila Seccia 4e. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Sheila Seccia 5a. Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups 6. hobby visit From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER 7. Linda's Co workers From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "jcolonbc" jcolonbc@... jcolonbc Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:37 am (PDT) How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1b. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) Hi Jim, If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners. Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop. You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track. For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track. Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> wrote: From: jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1c. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "jcolonbc" jcolonbc@... jcolonbc Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:19 pm (PDT) Thanks for the help. Jim C-Texas --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners. Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop. You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track. For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track. Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc jcolonbc@... wrote: > > From: jcolonbc jcolonbc@... > Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Jim C. in Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2a. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:37 am (PDT) Yeah, great place with some nice displays! Used to be located in Liverpool.There's a fine shop in B-ville. (No, I'm serious-short for Baldwinsville-west of S-yracuse) run by two brothers and started by their Dad. Used to be an old train station. I think it's called The Junction. Great aitch-oh layout. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:13 PM My history with the "Cuse is much shorter than yours, but every time I visit the in-laws I try to get to JR Junction on Erie Blvd. He has some Flyer, both vintage and Flyonel as well as S Helper. I also like to hit Central Hobby Supply for decals and reference material --- On Wed, 8/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:39 PM A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2b. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:38 am (PDT) Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2c. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:10 am (PDT) Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2d. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:48 am (PDT) Mike, No he didn't, but that's alright. It's sometimes more fun to make stuff up as to what the possibilities could have been. You know. Sort of like having your own "s"-mall "s"-cale town to do with what you want because nobody's the boss of you now. Imagination being a truly wonderful thing. When I received that catalog I must have spent the better part of an hour reading the various descriptions and admiring the art work. Gilbert always tried to deliver quality in everything that went out of his shop. Want to have a good experience?Read the introduction to his early 1946-7 era Operations Manual. The prose is highly descriptive and well written. IMHO, nothing today matches the beauty of those few words. Like old time radio, it left alot to the imagination and for a kid, it was magic. Still is if one's a kid at heart. Have a great day, my Friend. You deserve it! Mike-getting ready for our "S"-tate Fair-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:16 AM Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 3a. Re: Vote for S Gauge Posted by: "royhoffman" royhoffman@... royhoffman Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:10 am (PDT) Once again, beautiful modeling ruined by a third rail! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ironhorse_66" <ejenterp@...> wrote: > > http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=lc&id=94 > > > > Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 4a. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@... sgaugian Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) I can vouch for SHS AF replacement wheels - - insulated and non-insulated. I use them in tenders for better pick-up (especially in engines like a 350 without pu shoes/feet), and rolling stock. Better rolling and operation in both cases. Just don't buy too many. They seem to go out of stock just about the time I want to buy more. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4b. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) Hi Mark, I would suggest putting new wheels on the tender trucks. PA10140 Copper Wheels would be the correct number for replacement. If you pushing the tender and the locomotive moves you may have a loose connection. Possibly a worn PA10209 rivet insulator or a tender truck that is bent and not making contact. If you have steel wheels rather than brass or copper, these make poor contact I believe the solution to your problem is to replace all 4 wheel sets on the tender. This will give you new wheels for electrical contact. These wheel sets for knuckle coupler tenders are XA10238B. These are copper and plastic and sell for $2.50 each. Because there is some play between the knuckle coupler side frame hole and the axle, you will have breaks in the electrical contact. I do have in stock brass bushings to insert in the knuckle coupler sideframes. These will tighten up the axle in the hole and will make the electric contact better. These sell 10 for $1.50. If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle coupler side frame. I would not recommend using "S" Helper wheels. If you have to replace the rear tender truck, it would much easier to use a American Flyer truck XA12A050B. Please email me seccia@..., if you have any other questions. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tender truck rebuilt. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:11 PM Have a AF 283 and a AF302. Running both of these with DC motors and motor decoders. Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the wheels and axles. It appears the wheels are old and out of round. Much side to side play on the axle. I did clean the wheels and the brass contact strips. Trains run but when they stop all I have to do is nudge the tender. Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4c. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901 Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:13 am (PDT) Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4d. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:38 pm (PDT) Hi Don, I have my own email account seccia@.... Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4e. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:10 pm (PDT) Hi Don, If your 00979 Wheels sets are the correct length and do not have needle point axle ends, I stand corrected. Sorry for the error. These would work. I still believe the repro American Flyer wheel sets are better replacements. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 5a. Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train Posted by: "Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups" shoot-all-spammers4@... jim17701pa Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:32 pm (PDT) SUBJECT: Disappearing Train Layout We hqve been working on a short YouTube video (not done), showing an O- gauge disappearing "Polar Express" train layout, that a gentlemen named Rob Mueller here in North Central Pennsylvania built. Rob did some investigation, and discovered that you can purchase a PDF version of the original article -- plus an updated article -- from Kalmbach for $2.95 . The original article appeared in the Nov 2001 Classic Toy Trains. You can also purchase that magazine issue from Kalmbach. There are links to Kalmbach pages to purchase the PDF article or the magazine, and also a small copy of one of their illustrations, on the following web page: http://www.track2.com/info/236/ ---------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> MacBook Pro/OS 10.5 ---------------------------------------------------------- > On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:23 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > Bob, > This is great! Tell us more about it. What is the size? Can you put > a diagrams in the photos or file section here? I have a portable 5x9 > layout I have been running at shows for years and this may be a good > replacement for that. Thanks for the video. > > Wayne Beachy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkj3PNT9vqs > Enjoy!!! > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh : ==========end of email ======== Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (15) 6. hobby visit Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:52 pm (PDT) Today I stopped in a hobby Shoppe in Gaithersburg, MD, as here in the DC area we do not really have a full service hobby Shoppe like the shop in Strasburg, PA by the TCA museum. However, he does carry Floquil paint and I needed some colors for a new project. He did not have the colors I needed, but on the way out, there was a man talking to the owner about his lightbulbs he was changing in his out sign. He looked at me and ask if I am Mike. I said yes? He said I am so and so, as he was in my Scout troop from 1966 to 1970, as he owned the business next door to the hobby Shoppe. So we talked for about a half hour or so about the old days. So, you never know what you really might find in a hobby Shoppe. There is a shop in Mount Airy, MD, 25 miles north of Gaithersburg that has a pretty good selection of things, but I think I will just go ahead and order the paint I need on line. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7. Linda's Co workers Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:37 pm (PDT) I forward some pictures of my layout to Linda at work and she forward them to several women co-workers. Linda is a dietician who does menu nutrition work at her headquarters of a company that provides food service to hospitals, school, business, sports, etc. They are all dieticians. All where totally impressed with the layout and want to see it. One loves the apple trees as Linda told her there will be bee hives and that there will be invisible bees, as that is joke, since they would be so small being in S. They all laugh as they thought that was really funny as I meant it to be. A half hour later, the co worker said to Linda, in a serious voice, she could paint some rice yellow and black. No, that would be too big, as they all laugh again. So, the worker said how about Couscous, which is a round grain. So, women love seeing trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 1 New Members 10 New PhotosVisit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Yahoo! Groups team blog. Need to Reply? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55925	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4584

Barb, Again, I am very sorry if you where offended by my post, as the subject was Linda's Co-workers, not women love trains. That was the last line of the email, since the co-workers are a group of women. Linda says the vast majority of women do not look at real trains or model trains the way you do. It was not meant to be dis-respectful. And you know Linda loves trains too. Sincerely, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4584 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Well Mike, I am not sure what offended me most about your post of "women love seeing trains", but I didn't feel good reading it. For many women, trains are for more than 'seeing'. Although I haven't posted much in the past couple of years, I am now again making major progress on my layout. There would be something huge and signigicant missing in my life if I were restricted to just 'seeing' trains. Barb -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Aug 28, 2009 6:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4584 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (16 Messages) 1a. How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: jcolonbc 1b. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: Sheila Seccia 1c. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track From: jcolonbc 2a. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 2b. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 2c. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: Michael and Linda Marmer 2d. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! From: michael prell 3a. Re: Vote for S Gauge From: royhoffman 4a. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. From: sgaugian 4b. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. From: Sheila Seccia 4c. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Don Thompson 4d. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Sheila Seccia 4e. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter From: Sheila Seccia 5a. Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups 6. hobby visit From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER 7. Linda's Co workers From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "jcolonbc" jcolonbc@... jcolonbc Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:37 am (PDT) How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1b. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) Hi Jim, If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners. Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop. You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track. For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track. Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> wrote: From: jcolonbc <jcolonbc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? Thanks in advance for any help. Jim C. in Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1c. Re: How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track Posted by: "jcolonbc" jcolonbc@... jcolonbc Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:19 pm (PDT) Thanks for the help. Jim C-Texas --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > If you're hooking up Sam the Semaphore, or other semaphores, you can use Showcase Line #00395 Insulated Rail Joiners. Insulate a block of track where you want the train to stop. You will have to solder a wire to the side of the track. For Crossing Gates and Flashers, I would use a piece of American Flyer track to connect the 696 and 697 Track trips and adapt the Flyer track to the "S" Helper Track. Showcase #00393 Track Adapters. Instructions are in the back of the Showcase Catalogs("S Helper) or these may be on the "S" Helper website. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Wed, 8/26/09, jcolonbc jcolonbc@... wrote: > > From: jcolonbc jcolonbc@... > Subject: [S-Trains] How to hook up post war accessories to s-helper track > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you hook up old accessories i.e. "Sam the semaphore man", crossing gates & block signals to S-helper track? > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Jim C. in Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2a. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:37 am (PDT) Yeah, great place with some nice displays! Used to be located in Liverpool.There's a fine shop in B-ville. (No, I'm serious-short for Baldwinsville-west of S-yracuse) run by two brothers and started by their Dad. Used to be an old train station. I think it's called The Junction. Great aitch-oh layout. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:13 PM My history with the "Cuse is much shorter than yours, but every time I visit the in-laws I try to get to JR Junction on Erie Blvd. He has some Flyer, both vintage and Flyonel as well as S Helper. I also like to hit Central Hobby Supply for decals and reference material --- On Wed, 8/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:39 PM A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2b. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:38 am (PDT) Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2c. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:10 am (PDT) Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 2d. Re: Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@... snottpuppy124 Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:48 am (PDT) Mike, No he didn't, but that's alright. It's sometimes more fun to make stuff up as to what the possibilities could have been. You know. Sort of like having your own "s"-mall "s"-cale town to do with what you want because nobody's the boss of you now. Imagination being a truly wonderful thing. When I received that catalog I must have spent the better part of an hour reading the various descriptions and admiring the art work. Gilbert always tried to deliver quality in everything that went out of his shop. Want to have a good experience?Read the introduction to his early 1946-7 era Operations Manual. The prose is highly descriptive and well written. IMHO, nothing today matches the beauty of those few words. Like old time radio, it left alot to the imagination and for a kid, it was magic. Still is if one's a kid at heart. Have a great day, my Friend. You deserve it! Mike-getting ready for our "S"-tate Fair-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:16 AM Mike, He did not respond? It is neat to see train boxes with old price tags from stores of yesteryear, most are gone, but especially when it was a store you knew. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! Yup, and that's exactly what he did. Oh well. Every time I look at that old catalog I am amazed. Just part of what makes this hobby fun. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:29 PM Mike, That is a great story. But try emailing the seller and tell him you are from Syracuse and the item is from Syracuse. Then ask if might be able to tell you how he got this item that came originally from Syracuse, NY, in a friendly way, as you are just curious of its tracking from NY to Ottawa. Can't hurt. All he could do is not respond. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com ; toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sometimes Ya Get Lucky! A short time ago I ventured out into the Wonderful World of E-Bay. My experience with The Bay has been, for the most part, unremarkable. This particular visit, quite frankly, left me humbled. Being born and raised in Syracuse and having recently moved back, it astonishes me to see how much of the Heart of the Old Gal had changed over the years. Gone are all but one of the many movie theaters, Economy Book Store, Lincold Store, Woolworth's. Sadest for me is the departure of Ed Guth's Hobby. As a kid Ed Guth's was my favorite because that's where one could always count on seeing the latest in the Toy Train Universe and in particular Planet Gilbert! Lionel was ok if one liked 3 rails, but FLYER! Now those were TRAINS! Now it had been a while since I thought about Ed Guth's place of magic so one can appreciate my surprise and thrill when as I scrolled down a group of train items I came across a 1956 issue of AMERICAN FLYER made by Gilbert with the ED GUTH'S HOBBIES stamp neatly printed on the cover. The address given was 323 S. Salina Street, Syracuse 2, New York. (No zip code in 1956!) As luck would have it I bid on it and won. This is where it gets even more interesting, because the seller is from Ottawa, Canada! If it could talk, imagine the story this piece of history could tell! It's been quite a round trip from here to Canada and back here again; forty-three years and in very good shape! And to have started on the road from 323 S. Salina! Fascinating! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! Can't We Just All Get Along? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 3a. Re: Vote for S Gauge Posted by: "royhoffman" royhoffman@... royhoffman Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:10 am (PDT) Once again, beautiful modeling ruined by a third rail! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ironhorse_66" <ejenterp@...> wrote: > > http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=lc&id=94 > > > > Go to http://www.trains com/ctt/default. aspx?c=lc& id=94 and vote for Scott Moller's S gauge layout (over Tony Lash's O gauge layout) in the current Classic Toy Trains photo challenge. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 4a. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@... sgaugian Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) I can vouch for SHS AF replacement wheels - - insulated and non-insulated. I use them in tenders for better pick-up (especially in engines like a 350 without pu shoes/feet), and rolling stock. Better rolling and operation in both cases. Just don't buy too many. They seem to go out of stock just about the time I want to buy more. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4b. Re: Tender truck rebuilt. Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 am (PDT) Hi Mark, I would suggest putting new wheels on the tender trucks. PA10140 Copper Wheels would be the correct number for replacement. If you pushing the tender and the locomotive moves you may have a loose connection. Possibly a worn PA10209 rivet insulator or a tender truck that is bent and not making contact. If you have steel wheels rather than brass or copper, these make poor contact I believe the solution to your problem is to replace all 4 wheel sets on the tender. This will give you new wheels for electrical contact. These wheel sets for knuckle coupler tenders are XA10238B. These are copper and plastic and sell for $2.50 each. Because there is some play between the knuckle coupler side frame hole and the axle, you will have breaks in the electrical contact. I do have in stock brass bushings to insert in the knuckle coupler sideframes. These will tighten up the axle in the hole and will make the electric contact better. These sell 10 for $1.50. If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle coupler side frame. I would not recommend using "S" Helper wheels. If you have to replace the rear tender truck, it would much easier to use a American Flyer truck XA12A050B. Please email me seccia@..., if you have any other questions. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 8/26/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tender truck rebuilt. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:11 PM Have a AF 283 and a AF302. Running both of these with DC motors and motor decoders. Running on new S Helper track. Poor pick up from the track through the wheels to the motor. Where can I get the parts to rebuild the wheels and axles. It appears the wheels are old and out of round. Much side to side play on the axle. I did clean the wheels and the brass contact strips. Trains run but when they stop all I have to do is nudge the tender. Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4c. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901 Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:13 am (PDT) Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4d. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:38 pm (PDT) Hi Don, I have my own email account seccia@.... Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 4e. Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@... trainsandhobbies Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:10 pm (PDT) Hi Don, If your 00979 Wheels sets are the correct length and do not have needle point axle ends, I stand corrected. Sorry for the error. These would work. I still believe the repro American Flyer wheel sets are better replacements. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS vs. AF axel diameter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:12 PM Dear Tom (you should get your own e-mail account), Maybe I am measuring my axles incorrectly, but ours seems to be 0.001" 0.002 thicker than the samples of AF axles I have here (I measured a 1947 312, a Franklin passenger car and a 1948 tin auto unloader). I am guessing that being our axles are blackened, they seem thinner to you, but if your put a vernier or micrometer on one, you will see ours are actually ever so slightly thicker. Best regards, Don On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > ....If you use "S" Helper wheel sets with axles that are thinner > that Flyer, you will have more play in the hole of the knuckle > coupler side frame. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 5a. Re: S Gauge Disappearing Train Posted by: "Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups" shoot-all-spammers4@... jim17701pa Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:32 pm (PDT) SUBJECT: Disappearing Train Layout We hqve been working on a short YouTube video (not done), showing an O- gauge disappearing "Polar Express" train layout, that a gentlemen named Rob Mueller here in North Central Pennsylvania built. Rob did some investigation, and discovered that you can purchase a PDF version of the original article -- plus an updated article -- from Kalmbach for $2.95 . The original article appeared in the Nov 2001 Classic Toy Trains. You can also purchase that magazine issue from Kalmbach. There are links to Kalmbach pages to purchase the PDF article or the magazine, and also a small copy of one of their illustrations, on the following web page: http://www.track2.com/info/236/ ---------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> MacBook Pro/OS 10.5 ---------------------------------------------------------- > On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:23 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > Bob, > This is great! Tell us more about it. What is the size? Can you put > a diagrams in the photos or file section here? I have a portable 5x9 > layout I have been running at shows for years and this may be a good > replacement for that. Thanks for the video. > > Wayne Beachy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > S gauge friends. Check out video on youtube "S Gauge Disappearing Train" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkj3PNT9vqs > Enjoy!!! > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh : ==========end of email ======== Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (15) 6. hobby visit Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:52 pm (PDT) Today I stopped in a hobby Shoppe in Gaithersburg, MD, as here in the DC area we do not really have a full service hobby Shoppe like the shop in Strasburg, PA by the TCA museum. However, he does carry Floquil paint and I needed some colors for a new project. He did not have the colors I needed, but on the way out, there was a man talking to the owner about his lightbulbs he was changing in his out sign. He looked at me and ask if I am Mike. I said yes? He said I am so and so, as he was in my Scout troop from 1966 to 1970, as he owned the business next door to the hobby Shoppe. So we talked for about a half hour or so about the old days. So, you never know what you really might find in a hobby Shoppe. There is a shop in Mount Airy, MD, 25 miles north of Gaithersburg that has a pretty good selection of things, but I think I will just go ahead and order the paint I need on line. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7. Linda's Co workers Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:37 pm (PDT) I forward some pictures of my layout to Linda at work and she forward them to several women co-workers. Linda is a dietician who does menu nutrition work at her headquarters of a company that provides food service to hospitals, school, business, sports, etc. They are all dieticians. All where totally impressed with the layout and want to see it. One loves the apple trees as Linda told her there will be bee hives and that there will be invisible bees, as that is joke, since they would be so small being in S. They all laugh as they thought that was really funny as I meant it to be. A half hour later, the co worker said to Linda, in a serious voice, she could paint some rice yellow and black. No, that would be too big, as they all laugh again. So, the worker said how about Couscous, which is a round grain. So, women love seeing trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 1 New Members 10 New PhotosVisit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Yahoo! Groups team blog. Need to Reply? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 55926	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Bill, Thanks as I will look into that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout Mike -- You can also get flashing LED's at the local electronics supply house... Bill Winans I never heard of a pea lamp before. I will have to check this out. Thank you so much for that idea. I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55927	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/31/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

Mark, LOL No, your time has not call for you to be planted in the corn. This tells me you have a great sense of humor as I know you have some medical issues in life. Good for you. Hmm, maybe I could change the station call letters from WPLA to WMBP. Thanks Mark and I wish you the best. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: workinalure To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout Wow! A tower named after me? And all I wanted was to be "planted" in the tall corn. Mark B. Preman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Good to hear from you. > > I hope you are doing well. > > I never heard of a pea lamp before. > > I will have to check this out. > > Thank you so much for that idea. > > I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: workinalure > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout > > > Mike, > Don't paint the tip of the radio tower. Cut a half inch off of a straw and put a red pea lamp in it at stick on top for a lighted tower. I've been away a long time. Do the hobby shops still have pea lamps? > > Mark B. Preman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. > > > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. > > > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. > > > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. > > > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55928	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Women and Trains

Hi, I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. I think I had it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55929	From: workinalure	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout

WMBP - now that has a certain flair. Kind of like that song by "The Cat's in the Cradle guy (I can't think of his name -oldtimer's disease, you know.) Oh, Harry Chapin - WOLD D D d d . And fitting as well as my first real job was as a radio announcer in Philadelphia. Traffic reporter actually. "This is Mark Preman reporting for the Arco Go Patrol" I would be honored. And thank you for your concerns regarding my health. I am happy to say that at the moment, I am cancer free and doing quite well. I do enjoy lurking on this list. It keeps me connected to something I really enjoyed - my old toy trains. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Mark, > > LOL > > No, your time has not call for you to be planted in the corn. > > This tells me you have a great sense of humor as I know you have some medical issues in life. > > Good for you. > > Hmm, maybe I could change the station call letters from WPLA to WMBP. > > Thanks Mark and I wish you the best. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: workinalure > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:52 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout > > > Wow! A tower named after me? And all I wanted was to be "planted" in the tall corn. > Mark B. Preman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > Good to hear from you. > > > > I hope you are doing well. > > > > I never heard of a pea lamp before. > > > > I will have to check this out. > > > > Thank you so much for that idea. > > > > I have been naming things on the layout after train people so you might get a antenna named after you. Made your day right? O:)! > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: workinalure > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Linda's On A Roll With The Layout > > > > > > Mike, > > Don't paint the tip of the radio tower. Cut a half inch off of a straw and put a red pea lamp in it at stick on top for a lighted tower. I've been away a long time. Do the hobby shops still have pea lamps? > > > > Mark B. Preman > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > > > I finished painting the Frosty Bar, detail the things on the counters too. I will have pictures later. > > > > > > I showed Linda the finished Frosty Bar and I went to get a Shower. > > > > > > When I got done, she said she has some ideas for the other buildings. > > > > > > I am in the process of painting the Toll Booth, the roof the same gray as the Frosty Bar, the base, concrete and the blue walls are fine. I will paint the cones, the base black and the tops, orange/yellow like the color of a Tootsie Toy road sign. > > > > > > She gets me down to the layout and has colors picked out for some projects. > > > > > > She said the roofs of the PLasticville buildings make them look toy like, as she feel the walls and front are fine. The roofs are too shiny and maybe painting them the same color, red and brown for each building will make a great improvement. I agree. Then she goes, the TV station walls need to be painted maybe a off wall and the roof red, and the letters black. I already have the antenna painted but not the tip, the white globe. I will paint that red, as that is for warning for aircraft mainly. > > > > > > It is great to have a spouse that is interested in the hobby and it is very easy to do some painting to Plasticville. > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55930	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: American Models Empire Express Hudson

A friend of mine provided me a beautiful AM satin silver hi-rail Empire Express Hudson to repair. It sparks a lot and runs terribly erratically. I discovered that both rear drivers are grounding to the chassis (so you get inside to outside rail cross-over, shorting, and sparks). The rear drivers are solid (rims not insulated from hubs), so their connecting rods are "hot". The pushrod and valve timing linkage that the rear-driver connecting rod comes in contact with on the middle driver are both grounded to the chassis through the valve assembly which is held in place by 2 adjacent screws toward the front of the engine (one pair of screws on both sides of the chassis). Something tells me some form of inslulator is missing. Do any of you have this engine to check, and/or ideas about what's missing/wrong? The reason this engine runs at all is the slop in the contact between different pieces at the bolt on the middle driver. The AM 4-8-4 must have a plastic top-hat shaped washer installed where the valve gear is attached along the side of that engine or you get shorts. I think some key, but missing, piece like that is what's wrong with this otherwise great looking steamer, but I'm not sure what that piece is or would look like. Thanks in advance for your help and ideas.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55931	From: Jim King	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: B&O M53/M53A wagontop box status

I just completed the last of the HO CAD files for the upcoming "wagontop" box. The S scale CAD files will be finished tomorrow. I'm running about 1 week behind due to finding a BUNCH of new information that caused me to redirect original CAD creation. But, the end result is worth it. This will be the most detailed car I've produced to date, including what I believe to be the FIRST correct representation of the "floating" Duryea underframe . the model's centersill is a separate piece, just like the prototype, along with the characteristic "friction plates" where the c'sill I-beam shape intersects the bolsters and intermediate sills. 160 wagontop box kits will be produced, based on reservations, then the kit will be discontinued. The cutoff date to get your reservation-in-full to me was 8/12, however, for folks who are just now reading this, you have until this Friday, 9/4/09, to get payment to me ($80/kit + $7 shipping for 1-3 kits) by Paypal or check/MO. Only enough decals to match the order quantity plus a few spares will be printed. After this date, please contact a dealer listed on my web site. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55932	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains

Mike, Just drop the "women" thing for a while. Just THANK GOD for them. THAT will get you the most points. Jim In a message dated 9/1/2009 2:07:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Hi, I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. I think I had it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55933	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Women and Trains

Calm down Mike, it's not all that bad. Stick around! I get blasted here every so often by some of the rabid collectors, and also over in On30 by the rivet counters, but I'm still around! Just stay with us to and us have fun. Stumpy Stone...The Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55934	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains

Mike, I think if you were to give up this group you would be truly missed. I can't tell you how many of your posts have brought a smile to my face, much less outright guffaws. Those who know you from the list I think understand you and that you mean no offense. Unfortunately in today's world no matter what you do or say someone seems to get offended. I'm thankful there are no politically correct police lest I be serving a life sentence. Keep us laughing! --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Women and Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 7:59 PM   Hi, I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. I think I had it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55935	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains

No don'y give up Mike - I enjoy your humor! Trouble is some of them forget that they are playing with toy trains and that it should be fun! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: robert hendrickson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Women and Trains Mike, I think if you were to give up this group you would be truly missed. I can't tell you how many of your posts have brought a smile to my face, much less outright guffaws. Those who know you from the list I think understand you and that you mean no offense. Unfortunately in today's world no matter what you do or say someone seems to get offended. I'm thankful there are no politically correct police lest I be serving a life sentence. Keep us laughing! --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Women and Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 7:59 PM Hi, I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. I think I had it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.75/2340 - Release Date: 09/01/09 20:03:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55936	From: alanlambert2006	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. > > If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. > > Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. > > I think I had it. > > Mike Marmer >From Alan Lambert Hey Mike, If you leave the list, the fun will be over. I really enjoy seeing all those pictures. Those that can't take a joke, need to look in the mirror and think about What otherpeople think about them. Some wouldbe really suprised if they knew. Joking around is a part of every day life. I get joked with every day. Sometimes I laugh, and sometimes I just walk away.I wish I had the space you have for a layout. Thanks, Alan Lambert > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55937	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Full Scale Box Cars

Hi All, My Engineering Department has been asked by the Traffic Department to locate the most economic (cheapest) new box cars to start replacing several hundred cars that have reached their useful life and need to be retired (scrapped). We have prepared drawings and specifications and have sent them to fabricators in the USA, Canada, Eastern Europe, India and China. (Luckily I have a Chinese mechanical engineer working for me who can of course translate the documents and talk with the Chinese fabricators.) Bids should be back in a few weeks. Anyone want to predict which country will be the most economic and by how much? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55938	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Full Scale Box Cras

I'm going to guess India, since it appears to have the cheapest labor rate of any country with industrial capacity that you list. I understand that craft, toy, and hobby manufacturers, electronics people, auto part makers, and Wal-Mart, are looking at, or are already doing business with India. The cost of transportation compares about equally with that of China or Korea. It's getting hard to reach a computer technician or get a call from a telemarketer from anywhere else these days so the necessary technology is understood in India. However, with the high productivity of American workers and depressed wages in this country, and there being even lower transportation costs by being "on shore", I'm not sure that those cars couldn't be made by some small business here. Besides, Americans might actually be able to buy the product they make. Except for Canada, the workers in most other countries you list can't do that. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55939	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Full Scale Box Cars

Anybody want to predict who'se cars would be the junkiest....? Steve In a message dated 09/01/2009 6:32:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi All, My Engineering Department has been asked by the Traffic Department to locate the most economic (cheapest) new box cars to start replacing several hundred cars that have reached their useful life and need to be retired (scrapped). We have prepared drawings and specifications and have sent them to fabricators in the USA, Canada, Eastern Europe, India and China. (Luckily I have a Chinese mechanical engineer working for me who can of course translate the documents and talk with the Chinese fabricators.M Bids should be back in a few weeks. Anyone want to predict which country will be the most economic and by how much? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55940	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"

PVMR is now doing "working pics" of our work sessions, idea we kinda borrowed from Mike. Will be online soon. Probably crew "bios" too. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55941	From: pompeiijazz98	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Full Scale Box Cars

China? No idea on cost. John Simms In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Hi All, My Engineering Department has been asked by the Traffic Department to locate the most economic (cheapest) new box cars to start replacing several hundred cars that have reached their useful life and need to be retired (scrapped). We have prepared drawings and specifications and have sent them to fabricators in the USA, Canada, Eastern Europe, India and China. (Luckily I have a Chinese mechanical engineer working for me who can of course translate the documents and talk with the Chinese fabricators.) Bids should be back in a few weeks. Anyone want to predict which country will be the most economic and by how much? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55942	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"

PVMR is the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders, TCA and NonTCA members working on a hirail "S" ga layout for Christmas display. Several thousand people see our layout every yr Pequea= Peck-Way Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/2/2009 6:50:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: PVMR is now doing "working pics" of our work sessions, idea we kinda borrowed from Mike. Will be online soon. Probably crew "bios" too. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55943	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Fw: Latest

I am a big fan of Zippy the Pinhead comic, as I even own a Yahoo group on Zippy. Zippy likes to visit old roadside attractions, diners, especially in NJ, some are gone, as today is Big Dog in SF of a food chain long gone. I sent Bill Griffith pictures of my painted Frosty Bar and I think he might use it in a future comic, as he had trains as a kid too. Zippy's humor can be weird at times, but the places he goes are really neat. You can get the comic sent to you on a daily basis by going to www.zippythepinhead.com And my baseball team at S Helper Field are the Pinheads. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...> To: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Latest > Mike- > Thanks---I have enough fotos of the Frosty Bar to work with---will send a > copy of whatever I do--- > -Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55944	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: New Photo Posted

We have posted a new photo of a #24052 converted to a #1861 U.S. CAVALRY box car using LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. Hope all enjoy the photo. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55945	From: william cole	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Full Scale Box Cars

have them made here an have them done right ! ! ! ! wouldn't these qualify under the cash for clunkers program <grins>?   best of luck.   buy American, and help keep your neighbor employed ! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 9/2/09, pompeiijazz98 <pompeiijazz98@...> wrote: From: pompeiijazz98 <pompeiijazz98@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Full Scale Box Cars To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 7:24 AM   China? No idea on cost. John Simms In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "bull_gator_ 1" <bull_gator_ 1@...> wrote: Hi All, My Engineering Department has been asked by the Traffic Department to locate the most economic (cheapest) new box cars to start replacing several hundred cars that have reached their useful life and need to be retired (scrapped). We have prepared drawings and specifications and have sent them to fabricators in the USA, Canada, Eastern Europe, India and China. (Luckily I have a Chinese mechanical engineer working for me who can of course translate the documents and talk with the Chinese fabricators. ) Bids should be back in a few weeks. Anyone want to predict which country will be the most economic and by how much? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55946	From: michael prell	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains

Yo, Michael, As I tried to "S"-plain to yous earlier, try quittin' and we will find yous! Nobody quit"S" dis family. Kapee"S"h??? (Unless they want to and I hope you don't!) Mike-you bring out the Italian in me-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Women and Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 7:59 PM   Hi, I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. I think I had it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55947	From: michael prell	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains

Michael! What's this crap about you giving up this group? Wassa matta U, Keed??? Have you forgotten the words of the old philosopher who can't remember his name? "Screw Them If they can't take a joke" "Screw anyone who is self-righteous and believes that the world is flat and that it spins around them!" This is about a passion called little toy trains that allow the rest of us to have fun, talk with folks who share this passion and welcome humor, knowledge and the education gained from people of like mind. Quit this group! Naah! Let THEM quit. You stay! So, how do I go about getting a structure named after me? Hell, I'll settle for an outhouse if you have one. Which leads me to another question abour "S"-cale. But I don't think I can ask that here! {;>) Mike-The S-yracuse Kid-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 9/1/09, alanlambert2006 <adlbert1950@...> wrote: From: alanlambert2006 <adlbert1950@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Women and Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:54 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@.. .> wrote: > > Hi, > > I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. > > If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. > > Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. > > I think I had it. > > Mike Marmer >From Alan Lambert Hey Mike, If you leave the list, the fun will be over. I really enjoy seeing all those pictures. Those that can't take a joke, need to look in the mirror and think about What otherpeople think about them. Some wouldbe really suprised if they knew. Joking around is a part of every day life. I get joked with every day. Sometimes I laugh, and sometimes I just walk away.I wish I had the space you have for a layout. Thanks, Alan Lambert > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55948	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Fest Car For Sale...

I have a 1999 S Fest three-bay Monsanto hopper car, #48215 for sale. NIB. Flyer flanges. AF compatible couplers. In addition to the box that houses the car, I even have the original brown cardboard packing container that held the inner box. All yours for $85 plus $5 shipping. Please respond off-list to cujoacat@.... Any on-list response will be ignored. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55949	From: Michael Rector	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Women and Trains

Mike, I just want you to know, I enjoy your sense of humor. Some folks take themselves way too serious.   Keep up the good work and please keep the pictures coming.   Mike R in Ohio --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Women and Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 7:59 PM   Hi, I just want to clarify that Linda's co-workers, Women, where really into trying to figure out what food grain item would work for my on my layout for trains and laughing about it, since they where having a good time in doing, not a disrectful laugh. If that was insulting to anyone, then I am truly sorry. Maybe I should just give these list up, as lately, I am getting too many complains from people about the use of words, bee hives and other things. I think I had it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55950	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"

Hi Jim,                     Thats the way to do it.  Keep up the good work.                                                Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 9/2/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:15 AM   PVMR is the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders, TCA and NonTCA members working on a hirail "S" ga layout for Christmas display. Several thousand people see our layout every yr Pequea= Peck-Way Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/2/2009 6:50:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: PVMR is now doing "working pics" of our work sessions, idea we kinda borrowed from Mike. Will be online soon. Probably crew "bios" too. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55951	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted

I'll bet he knows WHERE too. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/2/2009 9:06:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@... writes: We have posted a new photo of a #24052 converted to a #1861 U.S. CAVALRY box car using LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. Hope all enjoy the photo. Dave ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55952	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted

In the photo section of this group. --- On Wed, 9/2/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:19 PM   I'll bet he knows WHERE too. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/2/2009 9:06:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com writes: We have posted a new photo of a #24052 converted to a #1861 U.S. CAVALRY box car using LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. Hope all enjoy the photo. Dave ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55954	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted CORRECTION!

Ooops wrong link! Here is the right one I think... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/recent/1594775326/view -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of carl@... Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted Here is ths link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/list -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted In the photo section of this group. --- On Wed, 9/2/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:19 PM I'll bet he knows WHERE too. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/2/2009 9:06:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com writes: We have posted a new photo of a #24052 converted to a #1861 U.S. CAVALRY box car using LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. Hope all enjoy the photo. Dave ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55955	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"

Jim is already getting a bag full of my world famous Blueberry muffins made from Maine Wild Blueberries when I see him at his layout in December. So, I am promoting blueberry muffins. LOL I have seen their layout twice and they do a nice job. December is a nice time to visit Lancaster, with Jim's layout and Bob Board running his layout. This is a annual thing for Linda and me, to go to Lancaster in December. I highly recommend to others. There is another train ride not too far away from Lancaster near Harrisburg, about 45 minutes from Lancaster. By the way, many times I have written that Linda loves trains, loves going to York for the meets, loves any train show and she loves going to baseball games, sadly, seeing our Nats lose many times, but she writes a mean scoresheet. She has given me some ideas, like the apple orchard and things for the layout. So I have complete respect for women, especially for my wife, Linda. Who for her birthday on 9-12, wants to go to a baseball game in York, PA for the York Revolution team. I do not write or send in things to upset people. This was a bad month, August, as I already upset one other member here and I just had a big blow up on the TCA list with someone, who did not like anything I wrote over there. So, it was just it was the snowball effect of upsetting a third person in so short time, that I wrote that I was going to quit these list in the heat of the moment. I wish that people write the moderator first, if they feel that someone upset them, as it was hurtful to see that I upset someone in front of the entire list. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S" Hi Jim, Thats the way to do it. Keep up the good work. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 9/2/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:15 AM PVMR is the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders, TCA and NonTCA members working on a hirail "S" ga layout for Christmas display. Several thousand people see our layout every yr Pequea= Peck-Way Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/2/2009 6:50:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: PVMR is now doing "working pics" of our work sessions, idea we kinda borrowed from Mike. Will be online soon. Probably crew "bios" too. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55956	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: All New Photos Posted To .......

To avoid all future confusion we will be posting all new photos of AMERICAN FLYER items using LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals to our ALBUM on this group site at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list Thank you all for your interest and understanding about this move. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55957	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: New Photo Posted CORRECTION!

Carl,      Yes, this is the link. Thank you ;o). Dave --- On Thu, 9/3/09, carl@... <carl@...> wrote: From: carl@... <carl@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted CORRECTION! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 7:11 AM   Ooops wrong link! Here is the right one I think... http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/recent/ 1594775326/ view -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of carl@tuveson. com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted Here is ths link http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 2099290812/ pic/list -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted In the photo section of this group. --- On Wed, 9/2/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Photo Posted To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:19 PM I'll bet he knows WHERE too. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/2/2009 9:06:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com writes: We have posted a new photo of a #24052 converted to a #1861 U.S. CAVALRY box car using LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. Hope all enjoy the photo. Dave ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55958	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: Doin' What I Can to Promote "S"

I forgot to add that I feel that ALL women can do anything in life that they want to and I always felth this way. Two women in the TCA are running for VP and that is great. I hope one of them will make it to President, as one will win the VP job. That was not the intend of the original email about Linda's co-workers that women can not build a layout or anything in life. They are still talking about the layout. So, that was one way to promote model trains in general, sharing photos of what you have with others. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55959	From: srgriggs	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: News on Big Boy shipping date?

Has anyone heard any news about when Lionel will be shipping the AF Big Boys? Shipping schedule on the Lionel website still says September 09. If anyone has anything they can pass along, it would be appreciated. Scott Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55960	From: portlines	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?

Verification from a factory rep last week---- They will begin shipping in late-September, so we probably won't see them "on the street" until sometime in October. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > Has anyone heard any news about when Lionel will be shipping the AF Big Boys? Shipping schedule on the Lionel website still says September 09. If anyone has anything they can pass along, it would be appreciated. > > Scott Griggs >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55961	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?

Not until the end of the year at the earliest. Roy Inman on 9/3/09 1:13 PM, srgriggs at sgriggs@... wrote: > > > > > Has anyone heard any news about when Lionel will be shipping the AF Big Boys? > Shipping schedule on the Lionel website still says September 09. If anyone > has anything they can pass along, it would be appreciated. > > Scott Griggs > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55962	From: innotron	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Labor Day Weekend

Hi all, Just a note to let all know that the San Diego S Gaugers http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home will be operating our modular layout at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum at Balboa Park over the Labor Day Weekend. Although the train museum is huge, S is not represented in a permanent layout so this is a special event. We invite everyone to attend. Alex Sibbald [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55963	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?

Doug, I will finally be buy next week to pick up the car and the Union Station. I will call before I come. Also what is the final price for the Big Boy with tax excluding shipping. Joe _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of portlines Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: News on Big Boy shipping date? Verification from a factory rep last week---- They will begin shipping in late-September, so we probably won't see them "on the street" until sometime in October. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > Has anyone heard any news about when Lionel will be shipping the AF Big Boys? Shipping schedule on the Lionel website still says September 09. If anyone has anything they can pass along, it would be appreciated. > > Scott Griggs > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55964	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?

$722.50 total, for the BB. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Haughney Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: News on Big Boy shipping date? Doug, I will finally be buy next week to pick up the car and the Union Station. I will call before I come. Also what is the final price for the Big Boy with tax excluding shipping. Joe _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of portlines Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: News on Big Boy shipping date? Verification from a factory rep last week---- They will begin shipping in late-September, so we probably won't see them "on the street" until sometime in October. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > Has anyone heard any news about when Lionel will be shipping the AF Big Boys? Shipping schedule on the Lionel website still says September 09. If anyone has anything they can pass along, it would be appreciated. > > Scott Griggs > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55965	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?

Hello everyone, I'm about to open Pandoras box but here goes...H..E..L..P.. I'm a new member and I'm in deep do-do. I hope my wife doesn't see the bill from ebay or you will read "Man Killed by Wife". I have bought so much stuff from ebay. I have 12 engines and every conceivable "TOY ACTION FIGURE EG. COAL LOADER...LOG..MAIL CAR ...CATTLE PEN ETC." that has ever been offer on ebay and I still don't have a layout. I have room for a 8' X 12' but I can't get any plans I like. I have looked on the Internet for downloads but all of them are either not what I'm looking for their for HO. Anyone want to come to Arkansas for a couple of weeks. I would like to run three trains and have some switching and yard work. I have an idea of having a long main line and I would like to have an elevation but that is about all I can come up with. I have tried to draw out what I would like but don't know if I have any of the angles right All of the toys I have I'm going to put back on ebay in October. I want a realistic layout and not toyed out. I bought a book on line for $40 (down load book)and I would have done better to have burned the money in the front yard, What a waste. I don't know where to turn. I want to use AF track because all of my engines are from the 1940. My oldest one is from 1946. I just overhauled it and does it scream. I put a capacitor on the engine leads to clean up the a/c from the transformer and I'm looking at a ferried bead to clean up the a/c. I can do all of that stuff but I CAN NOT PLAN A LAYOUT. I'm open to suggestions, Thanks... Phil Dagenais dagenais01@ aol.com 870-453-7925 In a message dated 9/3/2009 3:56:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Mexi, doug@... writes: $722.50 total, for the BB. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.www <_file:///C:_ (file:///C:/) \Documents%20and%\Documents%\Documents%20an\Documents%2\Docum \Microsoft\Signatur\Microsoft\Signa\Micros> www.flyerparts.www <_file:///C:_ (file:///C:/) \Documents%20and%\Documents%\Documents%20an\Documents%2\Docum \Microsoft\Signatur\Microsoft\Signa\Micr> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-VISA-MASTVISA-MASTERCARD-<WBR>DISC ________________________________ From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Joseph Haughney Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:01 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: News on Big Boy shipping date? Doug, I will finally be buy next week to pick up the car and the Union Station. I will call before I come. Also what is the final price for the Big Boy with tax excluding shipping. Joe _____ From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> ] On Behalf Of portlines Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:34 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: News on Big Boy shipping date? Verification from a factory rep last week---- They will begin shipping in late-September, so we probably won't see them "on the street" until sometime in October. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.www www.flyerparts.www Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-VISA-MASTVISA-MASTERCARD-<WBR> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> s.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > Has anyone heard any news about when Lionel will be shipping the AF Big Boys? Shipping schedule on the Lionel website still says September 09. If anyone has anything they can pass along, it would be appreciated. > > Scott Griggs > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55966	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: 8 X 12 layout ideas

Hello Phil, Here are pics of PVMR's 8 X 16 layout, started out as 8 X 12. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html) You can see how it "grew" and matured. Hope this helps. Anyone want to come to Arkansas for a couple of weeks. THINKING ABOUT THAT, SEVERAL OF US COULD. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/3/2009 8:22:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Dagenais01@... writes: Hello everyone, and I still don't have a layout. I have room for a 8' X 12' but I can't get any plans I like. I would like to run three trains and have some switching and yard work. I have an idea of having a long main line and I would like to have an elevation but that is about all I can come up with. I have tried to draw out what I would like but don't know if I have any of the angles right so we probably won't see them "on the street" until [ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55967	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: New and improved Pictures

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/842286327/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=361&dir=asc Photos are not in order on how they are written about. I have 33! new and improved pictures of the layout. And I will update you on the latest, as I basically was painting some Plasticville items, while I await the arrival for my biggest building project yet, the 3 story factory. First is a AHL Beer truck that I got from Ebay last week, as it is Olympia Beer from the State of Washington. I like this truck since you can see Olympia Beer from the other side of the table. AHL made S scale trucks as they are out of business which is mostly on my layout. The Produce Platform, soon to be named with a sign, Lechner's Produce, has a cat and in a later picture, I took a close up and there is some S scale cat dropping. Okay, that is a joke. I did not realize that a piece of rock ballast was there! Sooooo I see a marketing opportunity. S scale cat droppings at a train show near you. Silly yes. I am going to write out of memory what else is posted. I have a close of the apple trees, as they are in great detail with some apples on the ground. PLasticville. I repainted the roof and concrete foundation to the Toll Booth. What a difference, as the cones are painted yellow, not seen, as I await some 1/4" 3m tape to paint the base black and a red tip. The WPLA TV station has the roof painted and the call letters are black. Now you really notice this station. Also, the beacon is now red, as I will get a blinking red mini light soon for it. The post office, hardware and supermarket have their roofs painted. The Frosty Bar, that even got the attention of comic strip writer is the real piece now, as everything is detailed. I also took some new shots of just about everything, as the pictures are really much better. I included pictures of the control table as in one you see a bottle underneath the top. I take a hit from that from time to time, as now you might know why I am weird at times. yup, good old AF smoke fluid does you right. Drink it straight, don't use a mixer. Ruins the real flavor. Hugo, Che, Cat Stevens, and Company are pictured too. My switch controller are position on the board as how the switches are on the layout. I have made labels telling how the switch is curved or straight how is position on the table. Then the accessory buttons, as no AF action car needs a button anymore. Since they are DCC, they work anywhere. Then the New Frontier, as Hugo will give a speech that the factory will be done by the end of this decade, hopefully 2009. Oh, trees behind the baseball wall as they are really detailed. I will have people in those trees watching the Pinheads play baseball. Wait till Hugo goons get hold of them for not paying. I also cut the base of the Plasticville American Flag and painted the real base concrete. I forgot to get a picture of it. Much better. You can actually see the base in the picture of the apple trees. I have mentioned this before, as these pictures really show the detail, that I got this from a hobby shop in Peabody, MA, Northwest Trains, in 1993! I emailed the shop this summer about it and they did tell me it was a scratch built thing they did. everything you see, the detail items, except the plastic things around it came with this building. The cost was 80 dollars for the whole thing! So that is latest in the town of the D&K RR Company Town. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55968	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: News on Big Boy shipping date?

Phil, Sounds as if you have a good start at least :) There are many online sources for layout plans, and others more familiar will make suggestions. I have found some good ideas in the S-Helper track planning guide, available from SHS for less than ten bucks. The layouts are based on their track of course, and so long as you use parts of the plan that are 20² radius you will be fine. There are some photos on the SHS web site www.showcaseline.com that show the company layout that they take around to shows, and it is a two-level setup as I recall; quite cleverly done. Good luck, and please keep us informed of your progress :) I actually do get to Arkansas occasionally on assignment, but not sure how much help I could be in figuring out a layout plan... Roy Inman There is track planning software available from several sources, and a Google search will turn them up. I am on Mac so I have RailModeler. on 9/3/09 6:45 PM, Dagenais01@... at Dagenais01@... wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > I'm about to open Pandoras box but here goes...H..E..L..P.. I'm a new > member and I'm in deep do-do. I hope my wife doesn't see the bill from ebay or > you will read "Man Killed by Wife". I have bought so much stuff from ebay. > I have 12 engines and every conceivable "TOY ACTION FIGURE EG. COAL > LOADER...LOG..MAIL CAR ...CATTLE PEN ETC." that has ever been offer on ebay > and I still don't have a layout. I have room for a 8' X 12' but I can't get > any plans I like. I have looked on the Internet for downloads but all of > them are either not what I'm looking for their for HO. > > Anyone want to come to Arkansas for a couple of weeks. > > I would like to run three trains and have some switching and yard work. I > have an idea of having a long main line and I would like to have an > elevation but that is about all I can come up with. I have tried to draw out > what I > would like but don't know if I have any of the angles right > > All of the toys I have I'm going to put back on ebay in October. I want a > realistic layout and not toyed out. I bought a book on line for $40 (down > load book)and I would have done better to have burned the money in the front > yard, What a waste. I don't know where to turn. I want to use AF track > because all of my engines are from the 1940. My oldest one is from 1946. I > just > overhauled it and does it scream. I put a capacitor on the engine leads to > clean up the a/c from the transformer and I'm looking at a ferried bead to > clean up the a/c. I can do all of that stuff but I CAN NOT PLAN A LAYOUT. > > I'm open to suggestions, Thanks... > > Phil Dagenais > dagenais01@ aol.com > > 870-453-7925 > > In a message dated 9/3/2009 3:56:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Mexi, > doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> writes: > > $722.50 total, for the BB. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.www > <_file:///C:_ (file:///C:/) > \Documents%20and%\Documents%\Documents%20an\Documents%2\Docum > \Microsoft\Signatur\Microsoft\Signa\Micros> > www.flyerparts.www > <_file:///C:_ (file:///C:/) > \Documents%20and%\Documents%\Documents%20an\Documents%2\Docum > \Microsoft\Signatur\Microsoft\Signa\Micr> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-VISA-MASTVISA-MASTERCARD-<WBR>DISC > > ________________________________ > > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) > [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) ] On > Behalf Of Joseph Haughney > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:01 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: News on Big Boy shipping date? > > Doug, > > I will finally be buy next week to pick up the car and the Union > Station. I > will call before I come. Also what is the final price for the Big Boy > with > tax excluding shipping. > Joe > > _____ > > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) > <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) > <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> ] > On Behalf > Of portlines > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:34 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) > <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: News on Big Boy shipping date? > > Verification from a factory rep last week---- They will begin shipping > in > late-September, so we probably won't see them "on the street" until > sometime > in October. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.www > www.flyerparts.www > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-VISA-MASTVISA-MASTERCARD-<WBR> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%mailto:S-Trainmai> s.com, > "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: >> > >> > Has anyone heard any news about when Lionel will be shipping the AF > Big > Boys? Shipping schedule on the Lionel website still says September 09. > If > anyone has anything they can pass along, it would be appreciated. >> > >> > Scott Griggs >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55969	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get-Together September 20th

Bill Clark posted the info for our Fall Get Together. Sorry we have gotten this out so late. Don http://www.nasg.org/cjssfgt.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55970	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Re: 8 X 12 layout ideas

My layout is 10X11; check it out and see if it gives you any ideas.  The track plan is on this web page:     http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/operations.html As you can see, I also give a lot of lessons learned in building my layout.  I hope that will save you from the problems that caught me! The bad news is that 8X12 is pretty small for a two-level layout.  You need a long run to raise the track enough to pass over another track, and it's a lot easier for the engine to pull the train up if it's a straight run rather than a curved one. Bob --- On Thu, 9/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 8 X 12 layout ideas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 5:41 PM   Hello Phil, Here are pics of PVMR's 8 X 16 layout, started out as 8 X 12. _http://kulpritterpi cs.homestead. com/PVMR. html_ (http://kulpritterpi cs.homestead. com/PVMR. html) You can see how it "grew" and matured. Hope this helps. Anyone want to come to Arkansas for a couple of weeks. THINKING ABOUT THAT, SEVERAL OF US COULD. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/3/2009 8:22:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Dagenais01@aol. com writes: Hello everyone, and I still don't have a layout. I have room for a 8' X 12' but I can't get any plans I like. I would like to run three trains and have some switching and yard work. I have an idea of having a long main line and I would like to have an elevation but that is about all I can come up with. I have tried to draw out what I would like but don't know if I have any of the angles right so we probably won't see them "on the street" until [ ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122284 6709x1201493018/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072& hmpgID=115& bcd =JulystepsfooterNO1 15) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55971	From: herbw202	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get-Together September 20th

Perfect. Right on Rosh Hashana weekend. Like to have gone. But I wish everyone a great time. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Bill Clark posted the info for our Fall Get Together. Sorry we > have gotten this out so late. > Don > > http://www.nasg.org/cjssfgt.html >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [coTowpath] How lucky are we?

Yup, blame the Railroads on a email below about the C&O Canal. The writer talks on how the canal was massive to build. All done by hand, no steam power shovels. The Passage below is from Cumberland to Pittsburgh while the C&O Canal is from DC to Cumberland. The RR is side by side with the canal most of the way, which was the B&O. RR engineers used to throw rocks at mules pulling boats to spook them. Now it is the CSX line. I guess they never had a model canal set in the 1800's for kids. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: antoniofielder To: coTowpath@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: [coTowpath] How lucky are we? Unbeknownst to many people. Hidden from the hustle and bustle of the real world, but not too far away; Awaits One hundred and eighty odd miles of a modern marvel. A canal by definition is made by man. The effort it must have took (in the 1800's nonetheless) to construct such a MASSIVE waterway is incomprehensible to me. But alas the railroads ultimately killed the canal. Locks, Aquaducts, Lock houses and the like; all for not. Or were they? As our group of three was on our way out of your Towpath; and en route to our Passage, a guy said "I can't wait to be done with this darned canal!". I then said aloud "I, for one will miss this Canal. It is an INCREDIBLE feat of mankind. The Canal gave it's life so you could ride on it." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55973	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: On its way

The Summer, 2009 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is in the mail and most of our US subscribers should have it by early next week. Some may be receiving it as early as today! International subscribers and dealers will be a little longer. A reminder to all: If your subscription is up, please renew promptly (renewal notices are included with your magazine). I'll be catching up on some e-mail today and then I'll be on vacation. I'll be back in the office on Monday, Sept. 14. Happy Labor Day! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55974	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: San Diego, CA Visit

I know this is a bit early, but my wife and I will be vacationing in the San Diego area 12-15 October 2009. While there we would like to visit an S friendly hobby shop and a layout or two. We are primarily hi-railers building a 12'x12' layout. I realize this is close to the York meet so may not be possible. Any information is appreciated. If you would welcome visitors please contact off list. Thanks in advance. Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55975	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: FNF

Folks, Once again the PVMR crew got together to continue to update the big layout for Christmas. Progress is made everytime the group tackles a project. This time we have pics, thanks to our photog, Glenn Ritter. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRprogress.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRprogress.html) Thanks, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55976	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube

Today through Monday, the San Diego S-Gaugers are running their modular layout at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum.  If you're in the area, stop in and say hello!!!  If you're not, check us out on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3tRy6A3tg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a99VqMasf2I A third video is currently uploading and will be done about 10:30 tonight San Diego time, probably before you read this message! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55977	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Smoke Generator

The smoke generator arrived today from Micro Mark along with a "few" other things. I am not sure if I will have installed this weekend in the Plasticville train station, but I will let you all know how it works, as the tip does not get hot to melt plastic. In other news, Hugo and his line crew got another 3 loops of telegraph line around the layout. It only took about 45 minutes. EZ line is very easy to use, as you loop it around each cross arm post. Tie the first one and then just keep looping, cross over when you get to the first and continue on. When due, make a loop and put a drop of Elmer's Glue on the post. Wait, and cut the line carefully. Paint should be here next week for the American Flag Company by BTS. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55978	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube

Was that American Models track? Or American S Gauge? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:47 PM To: s-trains@... Subject: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube Today through Monday, the San Diego S-Gaugers are running their modular layout at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum. If you're in the area, stop in and say hello!!! If you're not, check us out on YouTube: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3tRy6A3tg> com/watch?v=qd3tRy6A3tg http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a99VqMasf2I> com/watch?v=a99VqMasf2I A third video is currently uploading and will be done about 10:30 tonight San Diego time, probably before you read this message! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55979	From: innotron	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube

Hi Mark, The track is S-Helper flex track. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube Was that American Models track? Or American S Gauge? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:47 PM To: s-trains@... Subject: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube Today through Monday, the San Diego S-Gaugers are running their modular layout at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum. If you're in the area, stop in and say hello!!! If you're not, check us out on YouTube: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3tRy6A3tg> com/watch?v=qd3tRy6A3tg http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a99VqMasf2I> com/watch?v=a99VqMasf2I A third video is currently uploading and will be done about 10:30 tonight San Diego time, probably before you read this message! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/09 6:16 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55980	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Fw: Plasticvile Makes The Big Time!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/480785140/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=381&count=20&dir=asc I think many of you know that I am a big fan of Zippy comics, as I even own a Yahoo chat group about the comic. So this is why I might be a bit weird at times. LOL Anyway, I do email the writer from time to time, Bill Griffith, as I have sent him pictures of my layout. He wrote back once that he like the layout as he too, as a kid had trains, he did not say what scale, and he loved the buildings that he had. I have tried for years,sending him pictures of structures I have run into, but so far none of the pictures made it to the newspapers, as you a get a tip of the pin for anything he uses from you. Last week I sent him my pictures of a sign I made, Zippy for President, as Zippy does run for President every four years and promises not to invade NJ. He actually loves NJ because it is the king state for roadside diners. Griffith loved that I had this sign on my layout. Then I sent him pictures of the Frosty Bar, as Zippy does love Ice Cream stands too. I figure, what the heck something not in the real world could be used. And it worked. He asked me for my address and a copy of what he did with the pictures of the Frosty Bar came today. It is wonderful as I love the last panel. LOL It has a date of 11-4 on it, so I am wondering if it will used then or did he just do this for me? I asked him. Either way, he sells colored, signed prints and I am going to buy one for the train room, have it framed. Think of the reaction I will get when people see that on the wall! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55981	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Summer 2009 Update...

I forgot to add the link to our Summer 2009 SHS Update. We started to mail them out last week. http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V20N3.pdf Best regards, Don PS - Robin and I are on vacation for a few days in Ocean City, NJ. We will be back on Monday Sept. 14th.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55982	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Fw: Zippy

It is official, Plasticville will be in the newspaper on November 4 and it will be on line too in color. In the third panel I get a mention for a tip for letting Mr. Griffith know about the Plasticville Frosty Bar. Normally it is a Tip of the Pin, as like in placing a pin on a map of where the place is in the country. However Plasticville does not exist in any state, as I know it was made in a factory in Philadelphia. But I think I have seen some boxes of Plasticville with Plasticville, USA on it. Years of sending Zippy photos finally paid off. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Zippy > Mike- > Glad you enjoyed Zippy's visit to Plasticville. Thanks again for the > fotos. > Yes, the strip will run in newspapers on 11/4. > If you'd like to order a Hand-Colored Signed Print of it, just go to the > link below and fill in the date of the strip: > > http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ZTP&Product_Code=genhc > > -Bill G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55983	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/6/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 6, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 58 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55984	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Lot"S" more "S" for "S"ale

Including the Flyonel Milwaukee Road GP-9 and matching caboose, four Christmas boxcars, Gilbert chestnut and green stripe streamliners, stockyard, and lots more.  Make offer! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_engines.html http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_freights.html http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_passengers.html http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_accessories.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube

S-Helper flex track.  Works great! --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...> wrote: From: Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 7:58 AM   Was that American Models track? Or American S Gauge? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:47 PM To: s-trains@YahooGroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers videos on YouTube Today through Monday, the San Diego S-Gaugers are running their modular layout at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum. If you're in the area, stop in and say hello!!! If you're not, check us out on YouTube: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube com/watch? v=qd3tRy6A3tg> com/watch?v= qd3tRy6A3tg http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube com/watch? v=a99VqMasf2I> com/watch?v= a99VqMasf2I A third video is currently uploading and will be done about 10:30 tonight San Diego time, probably before you read this message! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55986	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Fw: Plasticvile Makes The Big Time!

Photos are great, Mike. I never had Zippy down here in Chester, VA, but it looks as though you will be famous once you get the signed print, unless of course, the Giant Hand throws it on the tracks. LOL Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55987	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/6/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 6, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55988	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Rare PENN Budds For Sale...

I have a rare and no longer available standard four-car set of AM Pennsylvania Budd cars for sale. They are test run only and in pristine condition. They are decorated with AM's three-stage chroming process though they have only scale-flanged wheel sets. Kadee 802's are body-mounted on all four cars. The original AF compatible couplers, now detached, will come with the cars. Car numbers are 1102, 4002, 1126 and 1155. Price: $250 + $10 shipping. Please respond off-list. On-list responses will not be answered. Gerry Evans cujoacat@... In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55989	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Fw: Permission to post

I removed the Zippy comic about the Frosty Bar as I wanted to make sure it was okay to post, since it is copywrited. I will repost and send a link to a colored Copy on November 4th. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Permission to post > Sorry, but you can't post the Frosty Bar strip until the day it appears > in nrespapers (Nov. 4), Otherwide, it would be in violation of my > contract with the newspapers that carry Zippy. Hope you understand. > -Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55991	From: cornwall9	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem

Friends, This weekend I finally hooked up my Green 715 operating mail car on my new layout. The car was my father's and has great sentimental value as well. While testing the car, it appears that the welds broke on the arm that grabs/throws the mail bag. I cannot find any exploded drawings of the car to see a way to possibly fix it. Has anyone any suggestions ? I'd rather repair it than replace it. Any help will be appreciated, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55992	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55993	From: portlines	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

You've got the right idea, Bob. You'll find one of our AF Repair Clinics on our website describes the options in repairing or replacing AF steam drive wheels. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.comwww.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. > > The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. > > My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. > > In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. > > Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55994	From: portlines	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem

Nick, Hard to answer without knowing exactly what broke, but if a weld spot(s) broke, I think I'd try to find someone locally who could spot-weld it back together for you. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Friends, > > This weekend I finally hooked up my Green 715 operating mail car on my new layout. The car was my father's and has great sentimental value as well. While testing the car, it appears that the welds broke on the arm that grabs/throws the mail bag. I cannot find any exploded drawings of the car to see a way to possibly fix it. Has anyone any suggestions ? I'd rather repair it than replace it. > > Any help will be appreciated, > Nick Kulp >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55996	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. > > The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. > > My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. > > In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. > > Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri > I would use a 5 minute epoxy as that would give you a little time to may sure everything was where is should be before it sets up.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55997	From: Alan Evans	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Let's move on beyond the Mountain

List, We've all had problems with certain vendors -- fortunately they are few & far between in S. Can we please move on to positive stories about our vendors. The modest size of our S community is such that news about problem vendors spreads quickly Thank you. - Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55998	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Bob, welcome to the group. If you look back in to the past post you will fined a link to a web site to see the in's, and out of redoing the rims. I don't know where it is, but the others will. Just hag on there's help on the way! I'm sure..  Scott D.  Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:08 AM   I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 55999	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Bob -   You have the right idea. Clean the areas thoroughly. Gilbert used a type of plastic that shrank and left the rims loose. My favorite technique is to use some of the aquarium or bathroom clear silicone sealant. Dab some into the gap around the rim then pull the rim tight against the hub and white wall. Wedge in place with some shims but make sure the rim is level with the hub all around or the loco will wobble down the tracks. I suggest one side at a time. The clear silicone should fill the gap and solidify. Any excess can be trimmed off after it sets up. It should not interact with the plastic or paint and result in a solid mount for the rim. If it doesn't work the first time, the stuff is possible to mechanically remove and try again without too much trouble. Also it is non conductive so won't mess up the electrical connections of the loco.   Good luck and welcome to the group.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 1:08 PM   I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56000	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem

Nick, do you have a sheet metal shop by you? If so take the car apart, and run that two sheet metal parts in to them. I'm sure they will spot weld over the old weld for you. Thiswould take less then 20 sec. to do. They will more then likely do it for free. I would. This will not change the look or value of the item.  Clayton S.D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer 715 Mail car problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:15 AM   Friends, This weekend I finally hooked up my Green 715 operating mail car on my new layout. The car was my father's and has great sentimental value as well. While testing the car, it appears that the welds broke on the arm that grabs/throws the mail bag. I cannot find any exploded drawings of the car to see a way to possibly fix it. Has anyone any suggestions ? I'd rather repair it than replace it. Any help will be appreciated, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56001	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem

Friends,   Thanks to those that responded to my question.   ===== Hard to answer without knowing exactly what broke, but if a weld spot(s) broke, I think I'd try to find someone locally who could spot-weld it back together for you. Doug Peck =====   I will try to find someone that could spot-weld the mechanical "mailbag grabber". I cannot give a better description simply because a parts breakdown is not in my K-Line repair manual. Most of the locomotives are shown by exploded drawing but not the accessories. if anyone has a parts diagram, I would appreciate a look at it. There is a hole directly below the pivot point under the grabber that could support a pivot arm. I checked all over the layout but didn't find anything. There was what appeared to be a "slug" that fell out of the mechanism. I am concerned that if a part is missing, simply welding the parts together might not fix the car.   Kindest regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56002	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: track cleaner

http://www.micromark.com/O-GAUGE-TRACK-CLEANER,8309.html I got a order in last week from Micro mark and one of the items was this track cleaner for hard to reach places. Since I am using S track, as I am sending this to the TCA list, I got the O scale cleaner, since they did not have anything for S. It really works with out any pressure at all. I highly recommend it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56003	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1074657723/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=381&count=20&dir=asc Dingburg, MD (AP)- Several alarmed residents telephoned police on December 24 with reports of a large gray animal seen riding on a freight train of the D&K Railroad. One photograph showed the creature reclining on the bed of a flat car belonging to the New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad. Such freight cars are typically 40' in length, making this the largest land mammal yet reported. "The thing had long, shaggy fur like a sasquatch", said officer Gustav of the railroad's security force. "He must have weighed at least twenty tons. Ordinarily we'd stop a train and order an unauthorized rider to get off, but I mean, who's gonna argue with a rat that's the size of a house?" Zoologists at the University of Maryland were undecided on the animal's identity. Some eyewitnesses described the creature as a rat; others thought its rounded pink ears looked more like a mole. Florida resident Rev. J. Paul Matsick, who happened to be visiting friends in Maryland, thought it was a manatee, only larger. "It's like somebody tried to fit a Standard gauge manatee onto an S gauge flatcar", he remarked. Train crews were last seen stuffing pillows underneath the enormous rodent in hopes that his ponderous avoirdupois would not shift suddenly while the train was going through tunnels.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56004	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train

Jerry said it was okay to use his name. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry "Matt" Matsick To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: giant rat hitches ride on train Mike No problem, LOL change name to: Rev. J. Paul Matsick - which is correct! LOL funny Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Jerry \"Matt\" Matsick" <jerry.matsick@...> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 2:46:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train Jerry, I hope you want mind, but I am going to post this on the S and TTML list. I can change the name of the pastor if you want me to. Let me know. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lechner" <Joseph.Lechner@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: giant rat hitches ride on train Dingburg, MD (AP)- Several alarmed residents telephoned police on December 24 with reports of a large gray animal seen riding on a freight train of the D&K Railroad. One photograph showed the creature reclining on the bed of a flat car belonging to the New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad. Such freight cars are typically 40' in length, making this the largest land mammal yet reported. "The thing had long, shaggy fur like a sasquatch", said officer Gustav of the railroad's security force. "He must have weighed at least twenty tons. Ordinarily we'd stop a train and order an unauthorized rider to get off, but I mean, who's gonna argue with a rat that's the size of a house?" Zoologists at the University of Maryland were undecided on the animal's identity. Some eyewitnesses described the creature as a rat; others thought its rounded pink ears looked more like a mole. Florida resident Rev. Jerome Matsick, who happened to be visiting friends in Maryland, thought it was a manatee, only larger. "It's like somebody tried to fit a Standard gauge manatee onto an S gauge flatcar", he remarked. Train crews were last seen stuffing pillows underneath the enormous rodent in hopes that his ponderous avoirdupois would not shift suddenly while the train was going through tunnels. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56005	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer 715 Mail car problem

Hi Nick,                   Let me know if you can't get that piece welded.  I may have that part with the arm attached.   There are no exploded views for a 718 Mail Car.                                                    Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer 715 Mail car problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:15 PM   Friends, This weekend I finally hooked up my Green 715 operating mail car on my new layout. The car was my father's and has great sentimental value as well. While testing the car, it appears that the welds broke on the arm that grabs/throws the mail bag. I cannot find any exploded drawings of the car to see a way to possibly fix it. Has anyone any suggestions ? I'd rather repair it than replace it. Any help will be appreciated, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56006	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/7/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Hi Bob,                    Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947.  The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender.  The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center.   The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in.  Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center.  If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel.                                                                 Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM   I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56007	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Did they have them Tom or were they fitted later as a factory repair? I understood that was the case and that if they were as they originally left the factory there would be no pins. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56008	From: Paul	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train

Mike, keep those pillows stored in a shed close to the railroad after the big old mammal leaves. should Gumby come for an excursion ride, no reason to make him yell "Oh no Mister Bill" firmly supported and comfortable will get you better reviews. paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56009	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Hi Alistair,                    I have found the spikes on many 1946 locomotives and some 1947 locomotives 310, 312, 322.   When I was scraping the locos for parts and I tried to punch out the centers, I could not get the centers out.  I didn't realize the wheels had spikes. Someone at York told me that the Gilbert factory had put spikes or nails in the early locos.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 3:29 AM   Did they have them Tom or were they fitted later as a factory repair? I understood that was the case and that if they were as they originally left the factory there would be no pins. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56010	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material.  Am I right?  Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM   Hi Bob,                    Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947.  The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender.  The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center.   The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in.  Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center.  If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel.                                                                 Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM   I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56011	From: portlines	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

They used tiny wood "spikes", inserted into drilled holes. Doug Peck Port Lines Houpply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > >  Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material.  Am I right? >  Clayton S. D. Milw. OR.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56012	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: giant rat hitches ride on train

Jerry.... If you still have the rodent problem I have my .50 cal working now..... Have found a legal 600 Yard range here in Florida.... Should be an easy target at 1/2 mile with the 80 power scope.. Would you need Dense Material Penetrators for this tough bird? Tracer or Incendaries?... But it does KICK a little ( I think the wildest shot I have read about was a Marmot at 1 1/2 miles ) Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56013	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Smoke Generator

http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=smoke+generator I got this smoke generator at Micro Mark and I give it a thumbs up. Easy to install. Generates lots of smoke in any building, as I have it in a Plasticville RR station. It holds 75 drops of smoke fluid, does not get hot, has a fan in the base to blow the smoke out, makes a bit of noise but you do not hear it when the trains are running. Turns off when out of fluid. It is on sale and the sale ends tomorrow. But becareful, as all I wanted was this smoke generator and I ended up ordering over 200 dollars of stuff. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56014	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Clayton I think the pins only went througheither the tyre or the centre so would not short and Tom, like I said, I am sure the pins were put in by the factory when returned (very quickly) for repair. The plastic used in the first production runs in 1946 was the same rubbish that is found in the "banana" cars that warped and shrunk. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material. Am I right? Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56015	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Big Boy Delayed again

But only 1 month this time. New shipping date, listed today, is October 2009.  Also, the unloading car (6-49045) and operating boxcar (6-49048) have now been shipped. Only items left to ship (besides the BigBoy) are the CP Rail coal dump (still Sept 2009) and the U33C TMCC diesels and AF Christmas set (both December 2009). Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56016	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Bob, > Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in.Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. > Tom Seccia > Thanks, Tom, for the comments. I do not have the PRR keystone logo on the tender - It only has "Pennsylvania" written in the center. On the other hand, the white walls are definitely NOT(at least not visible to me)held on by small nails or spikes. I understand the 310 was also made from 1948 to 1951 with 'white' lettering. Again my eye's are not attuned to telling if my lettering is white or silver although I would say 'white' if pressed but who knows. The two loose tires are quite free and easily slide back in place on the hubs. So that is good. I will probably use the instant glue method but not right off the bat. Again thanks for your comments. Bob Groh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56017	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

The later locos have the logo on the side - onlythe 46's have just the roadname. alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: zemouse2001 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Bob, > Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in.Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. > Tom Seccia > Thanks, Tom, for the comments. I do not have the PRR keystone logo on the tender - It only has "Pennsylvania" written in the center. On the other hand, the white walls are definitely NOT(at least not visible to me)held on by small nails or spikes. I understand the 310 was also made from 1948 to 1951 with 'white' lettering. Again my eye's are not attuned to telling if my lettering is white or silver although I would say 'white' if pressed but who knows. The two loose tires are quite free and easily slide back in place on the hubs. So that is good. I will probably use the instant glue method but not right off the bat. Again thanks for your comments. Bob Groh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2353 - Release Date: 09/08/09 06:48:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56018	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Hi Clayton,                         If the pins go through the whitewall the wheels would not short.  The rim would have to make contact with the metal center.  The composite wheel for "S" gauge was issued a patent in 1944.   I going to look up the patent number and see if the spikes were in the original patent.  I'll get back to you.                                                Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:33 AM   Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material. Am I right? Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56019	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Hi Bob,                 I just wanted to avoid a potential problem repairing those wheels.  Doug Peck and the other members offered you some good ways of repairing the wheels and you also have a good way to fix the wheels.  310 K5 Locomotives were made in 1946 and 1947. These K5's did not have smoke in tender units.  In 1948 all smoke units were moved to the boiler and reverse units were moved to the tender in all smoking locomotives.  There were no more 310's made after 1947. Good Luck with the repair and Happy Railroading with your American Flyer trains.                                     Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 2:39 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Bob, > Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in.Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. > Tom Seccia > Thanks, Tom, for the comments. I do not have the PRR keystone logo on the tender - It only has "Pennsylvania" written in the center. On the other hand, the white walls are definitely NOT(at least not visible to me)held on by small nails or spikes. I understand the 310 was also made from 1948 to 1951 with 'white' lettering. Again my eye's are not attuned to telling if my lettering is white or silver although I would say 'white' if pressed but who knows. The two loose tires are quite free and easily slide back in place on the hubs. So that is good. I will probably use the instant glue method but not right off the bat. Again thanks for your comments. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56020	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Hi Clayton,                      Doug said the pins were wood.  I've been searching for a wheel with the pins.  These would have to be wood or plastic if these went through the rim through the whitewall and into the center.  As you pointed out if these were metal these would short.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:05 PM   Clayton I think the pins only went througheither the tyre or the centre so would not short and Tom, like I said, I am sure the pins were put in by the factory when returned (very quickly) for repair. The plastic used in the first production runs in 1946 was the same rubbish that is found in the "banana" cars that warped and shrunk. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material. Am I right? Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56021	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Generator

Hi Mike,                      Hope the generator doesn't set off you smoke alarm.                                          Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Generator To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:27 PM   http://www.micromar k.com/SearchResu lt.aspx?deptIdFi lter=0&searchPhr ase=smoke+ generator I got this smoke generator at Micro Mark and I give it a thumbs up. Easy to install. Generates lots of smoke in any building, as I have it in a Plasticville RR station. It holds 75 drops of smoke fluid, does not get hot, has a fan in the base to blow the smoke out, makes a bit of noise but you do not hear it when the trains are running. Turns off when out of fluid. It is on sale and the sale ends tomorrow. But becareful, as all I wanted was this smoke generator and I ended up ordering over 200 dollars of stuff. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56022	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Generator

Hee Hee. no I hope not. It pours out smoke for about a minute then the fan inside the unit shuts off. I am not sure if that is normal, as I sent Micro Mark a email. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Generator Hi Mike, Hope the generator doesn't set off you smoke alarm. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Generator To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:27 PM http://www.micromar k.com/SearchResu lt.aspx?deptIdFi lter=0&searchPhr ase=smoke+ generator I got this smoke generator at Micro Mark and I give it a thumbs up. Easy to install. Generates lots of smoke in any building, as I have it in a Plasticville RR station. It holds 75 drops of smoke fluid, does not get hot, has a fan in the base to blow the smoke out, makes a bit of noise but you do not hear it when the trains are running. Turns off when out of fluid. It is on sale and the sale ends tomorrow. But becareful, as all I wanted was this smoke generator and I ended up ordering over 200 dollars of stuff. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56023	From: Bob Groh	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Well, I definitely don't have a smoke unit and the reverser unit is definitely in the locomotive so those facts plus the lettering on the tender indicates it is a 1946 unit. I was just looking it over again and found another tire loose (this time one of the flangeless ones). So I will carefully disassemble it, clean and lube it and secure the tires (probably with thin CYA). Looking forward to getting it going. Also posting another thread on securing the drawbar. But that is another thread! Thanks to everyone for a great time. Bob Groh On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>wrote: > > > Hi Bob, > I just wanted to avoid a potential problem repairing those > wheels. Doug Peck and the other members offered you some good ways of > repairing the wheels and you also have a good way to fix the wheels. 310 K5 > Locomotives were made in 1946 and 1947. These K5's did not have smoke in > tender units. In 1948 all smoke units were moved to the boiler and reverse > units were moved to the tender in all smoking locomotives. There were no > more 310's made after 1947. Good Luck with the repair and Happy Railroading > with your American Flyer trains. > Tom Seccia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56024	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab

Hope this makes sense. My 'new' 310 (which is a 1946 version) has a cross bar which goes across the rear of the engine. This cross bar has a threaded stud on it and that is where the drawbar from the tender is connected. The cross bar is (or 'was' for my engine) secured with two little blips of metal which were (probably) 'headed' (i.e. like a rivit) to secure the cross bar. The cross bar has 'removed' itself from the engine - the remnants of the rivets are still there. Suggestions on how to repair this? Bob Groh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56025	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Hi Clay,                        You are correct.  I found a spiked wheel with my other flanged wheels.  There were three spikes in the wheel. These are wood as Doug said.  I looked at patent #2,507,483 Composite Wheel Assembly for two rail operation filed 11/4/44, awarded 5/9/50. There are no spikes in this design.  Someone in the group emailed the spikes were done by the Gilbert Factory.  I believe this to be true.  I think there was a recall on the locomotives with wheels seperating and the factory installed the spikes to keep the wheels together.                                                            Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:33 AM   Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material. Am I right? Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56026	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Tom, and this is also for the group. We should have a show on TV like "House" we could  call it The Round house in "S"... :)) Clayton  Milw. OR --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 6:31 PM   Hi Clayton,                      Doug said the pins were wood.  I've been searching for a wheel with the pins.  These would have to be wood or plastic if these went through the rim through the whitewall and into the center.  As you pointed out if these were metal these would short.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:05 PM   Clayton I think the pins only went througheither the tyre or the centre so would not short and Tom, like I said, I am sure the pins were put in by the factory when returned (very quickly) for repair. The plastic used in the first production runs in 1946 was the same rubbish that is found in the "banana" cars that warped and shrunk. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material. Am I right? Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56027	From: The Laniers	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

Some may have been put in place at the factory, but they were a "fix" mostly installed by authorized repair shops throughout the country. I remember having this done by a local repairman on my 1946 300 multicast Atlantic. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive Hi Clay, You are correct. I found a spiked wheel with my other flanged wheels. There were three spikes in the wheel. These are wood as Doug said. I looked at patent #2,507,483 Composite Wheel Assembly for two rail operation filed 11/4/44, awarded 5/9/50. There are no spikes in this design. Someone in the group emailed the spikes were done by the Gilbert Factory. I believe this to be true. I think there was a recall on the locomotives with wheels seperating and the factory installed the spikes to keep the wheels together. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:33 AM Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be wood or some other form of insulating type of material. Am I right? Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM Hi Bob, Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire wheel. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them in place. In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56028	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

To all, I have made this repair several times, using J-B Weld repair epoxy. Simply polish the stubby ends of the remaining posts on the engine, with a Dremel and wire wheel, do the same on both ends of the crossbar. Mix a little of the epoxy, dab a little onto the posts with a toothpick, place the crossbar into position, dab a little more over holes, place unit upside down and allow to dry overnight. Touch-up with a little flat black paint, and it makes for a very satisfactory repair. Good-luck, Larry Moore From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zemouse2001 Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab Hope this makes sense. My 'new' 310 (which is a 1946 version) has a cross bar which goes across the rear of the engine. This cross bar has a threaded stud on it and that is where the drawbar from the tender is connected. The cross bar is (or 'was' for my engine) secured with two little blips of metal which were (probably) 'headed' (i.e. like a rivit) to secure the cross bar. The cross bar has 'removed' itself from the engine - the remnants of the rivets are still there. Suggestions on how to repair this? Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56029	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

Thanks Larry,   I happen to have a 312 with the same problem. I was thinking of tapping the holes and using a machine screw but I like your method better.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56030	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Moore" <mo2337@...> wrote: > > To all, I have made this repair several times, using J-B Weld repair epoxy. > Simply polish the stubby ends of the remaining posts on the engine, with a > Dremel and wire wheel, do the same on both ends of the crossbar. Mix a > little of the epoxy, dab a little onto the posts with a toothpick, place the > crossbar into position, dab a little more over holes, place unit upside down > and allow to dry overnight. Touch-up with a little flat black paint, and it > makes for a very satisfactory repair. Good-luck, Larry Moore > Excellent idea and one apparently proven by experience. Thanks. Bob Groh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56031	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

Bob, Let me know how it turns out. Larry From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zemouse2001 Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Larry Moore" <mo2337@...> wrote: > > To all, I have made this repair several times, using J-B Weld repair epoxy. > Simply polish the stubby ends of the remaining posts on the engine, with a > Dremel and wire wheel, do the same on both ends of the crossbar. Mix a > little of the epoxy, dab a little onto the posts with a toothpick, place the > crossbar into position, dab a little more over holes, place unit upside down > and allow to dry overnight. Touch-up with a little flat black paint, and it > makes for a very satisfactory repair. Good-luck, Larry Moore > Excellent idea and one apparently proven by experience. Thanks. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56032	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

Nick, Let me know how it turns out. Larry From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Kulp Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:12 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab Thanks Larry, I happen to have a 312 with the same problem. I was thinking of tapping the holes and using a machine screw but I like your method better. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56033	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

I just did it automatically a couple of years ago with epoxy and no problems. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:15 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab Nick, Let me know how it turns out. Larry From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Kulp Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:12 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab Thanks Larry, I happen to have a 312 with the same problem. I was thinking of tapping the holes and using a machine screw but I like your method better. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56034	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Link coupler conversion

Have a question. I bought 12 links and pins from Marty's Tarains out of New York and I have had nothing but problems. I bought the tool for removing the old pin ( a tube to knock the old pins out ) and all I have been able to do is make the hole in the truck bigger so now the replacement pins won't fit. My only options are to convert over to knuckle couplers, which I have w/ split rivets, but how do you convert the hole or what do I need to do other then change the trucks?.Any suggestions ....... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56035	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Spooky Train...

GUYS: Today I made my weekly pilgrimage to Michael's so I could buy yet another can of Testors Dullcote with the 40% off coupon that they put in almost every Sunday newspaper. This brings the price down from $3.99 to $2.39 for a $1.60 savings. This adds up over time as I use a lot of Dullcote. The coupon works equally well for paint brushes, some of the Woodland Scenics scenery that Michael's carries, foam core board for mounting models, other spray paint, Aleene's Tacky Glue, etc. etc. Anyway, as I was leaving I noticed a battery-driven Spooky Train that Michael's is now stocking for Halloween. Couldn't believe it; rails are 7/8" apart, but plastic. Train includes engine, tender, coffin car and caboose for $60. I think it runs on three 1.5v. batteries. Lots of spooky detail parts spread among the four pieces. The people, including a flying witch, skeleton engineer, mummy, Franck-in-steen etc. all appear a bit big for S use, but ya never can tell. The three cars are daisy-chained electrically to the engine, and each has some kind of action and/or lighting. The engine has an LED headlight. With the 40% off coupon, this would bring the price down to $36 if you can scrounge around and find last Sunday's Michael's ad. On my way out, the clerk handed me a 50% off coupon that is good for next week. That would bring the price down to $30 plus our local exorbitant 8.4% sales tax. There are enough spooky pieces-parts, cats, bats, bones etc., on the assembly to make it well worth $30. The engine drivers are plastic so they'd only work on a static model. The wheels on the cars are about 3/8" diameter and might work well on mine cars. They do have big flanges. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56036	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive

I believe paflyrman is correct. "A.C. Gilbert's Heritage", which is a compilation of older articles from S-Gaugian, contains an article by Paul Nelson titled "Window into the A.C. Gilbert Company." It is an interview of Maury Romer by Paul Nelson. The following is noted on page 10: "...you know how the wheels on steam locomotives were made with that plastic insert between the rim and the center? Well, we got the wrong plastic there one time. Some new plastic was developed and the plastic salesman came in and told us it was a better deal than what we were using, so we used it. But, we didn't realize, of course, that it would shrink. What happened was that the metal rim on the outside got loose and caused shorting. It cost us, we figured, something like $175,000 to correct the problem. We had trains shipped all around the country in department stores, when we found out that this wheel problem was happening. We had to send crews out on the road along with their equipment such as drills, and pins and pegs, all that kind of stuff and go out and correct the wheels on the road. We'd have to go into a store and go to their warehouse, unpack all of their trains, fix the locomotive, test it, and put it back together. It was a big, big job. We had a number of crews out doing this job. The whole problem was just because of a switch in material in which we were stepping in the right direction, but that of course, was not the case." While I don't have any models with this fix, I found an old chassis in my parts bin with definite pegs in the drivers. From the end, it is difficult to determine what the pegs are made of, maybe wood or possible fiber. In any case, it is a very good job and does look like it could have been designed that way from the beginning. If I recall correctly, there were 4 pegs in each wheel. Dale Smith The Laniers wrote: > > > Some may have been put in place at the factory, but they were a "fix" > mostly installed by authorized repair shops throughout the country. I > remember having this done by a local repairman on my 1946 300 > multicast Atlantic. > > paflyrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sheila Seccia > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive > > Hi Clay, > You are correct. I found a spiked wheel with my other flanged wheels. > There were three spikes in the wheel. These are wood as Doug said. I > looked at patent > #2,507,483 Composite Wheel Assembly for two rail operation filed > 11/4/44, awarded 5/9/50. > There are no spikes in this design. Someone in the group emailed the > spikes were done by the Gilbert Factory. I believe this to be true. I > think there was a recall on the locomotives with wheels seperating and > the factory installed the spikes to keep the wheels together. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Tue, 9/8/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@... > <mailto:uvl97222%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@... <mailto:uvl97222%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:33 AM > > Tom the white walls are there to insulate your + from the - and so if > they use nails or pins it would short out. I think they needed to be > wood or some other form of insulating type of material. Am I right? > > Clayton S. D. Milw. OR. > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:44 PM > > Hi Bob, > > Please check the 310 and see if it is a 1946 or a 1947. The 1946 310 > has "Pennsylvania" accross the center of the tender. The 1947 310 has > a PRR Keystone Logo in the corner and "American Flyer Lines" across > the center. The 1946 wheels had small nails or spikes holding the > whitewall in. Before trying the epoxy or glue methods you are using, > make sure the rim is flush with the whitewall and the center. If you > can't line the wheels up properly, you may have to replace the entire > wheel. > > Tom Seccia > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Loose tires on a AF 310 locomotive > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:08 PM > > I've just joined the group after having picked up a AF 310 locomotive > at a local auction. I was delighted to pick it up - I've always wanted > some AF equipment and I am a sucker for steam engines. The engine and > tender look to be in very nice shape and complete with all the little > marker lights, whistle, bell, etc. Paint a bit marked up but all there. > > The problem for this email is that the 'tires' (i.e. the outer rims > and flanges) are 'loose' on two of the main drive wheels. I would like > some suggestions on what I can do to fix them. > > My thoughts are to clean the area as best I can (i.e. of dirt and > grease) and then use some thin CYA (i.e. instant glue) to secure them > in place. > > In way of an introduction, I am a retired electronics engineer and > have had model trains on and off since I was 10 years old or so. My > first train was a Lionel set given to me by my Dad back in the early > 50's which progressed to a table layout, a KW transformer and several > accessories. Most of that disappeared over the years (except for the > KW transformer which I still have) and I have piddled around with HO > and N gauge. 6 or so years ago I purchased one of the beginner Lionel > sets and that got me going again. And now AF. Looking forward to the fun. > > Bob Groh, Kansas City, Missouri > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56037	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion

Phil,   You can try "shrinking" the hole by tapping it with a rounded or domed punch over an anvil or steel block. Micro Mark sells punches for this purpose. A flat pucnh might work too. I have also found that most of the tools sold for staking the coupler pins have holes that are too large to effectively peen the pin into place. I have made my own tool by drilling out a punch with a hole just barely larger than the coupler pin shank and then filed or cut grooves with a Dremel to form the crimps.  Good luck. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> wrote: From: Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler conversion To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:37 PM   Have a question. I bought 12 links and pins from Marty's Tarains out of New York and I have had nothing but problems. I bought the tool for removing the old pin ( a tube to knock the old pins out ) and all I have been able to do is make the hole in the truck bigger so now the replacement pins won't fit. My only options are to convert over to knuckle couplers, which I have w/ split rivets, but how do you convert the hole or what do I need to do other then change the trucks?.Any suggestions ....... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56038	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Smoke Unit

----- Original Message ----- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/718358099/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=401&count=20&dir=asc > The latest in the town of the D&K RR as the ghost writer strikes again. > Funny how the ghost writer never signs his name in full. > > Mike Marmer > >> > > Dingburg, MD (CNN) - > > The United States Environmental Protection Agency has announced a fine > of $230,000 against the Dink & Kitty Railroad Co. for excessive > hydrocarbon emissions. Inspectors alleged that D&K management > intentionally installed a G scale smoke unit inside an S scale depot, > resulting in far greater amounts of smoke than would have been necessary > to keep the structure warm. > > G scale is commonly understood to be 1/32 full size if it represents > contemporary North American-prototype trains that operate on standard > gauge track; however, one manufacturer (USA Trains) makes its models > 1/29 full size because the proprietor did not think 1/32 was > impressively large enough. To complicate the issue further, another > manufacturer used 1/24 full size to represent German-prototype > meter-gauge trains; and still another manufacturer used 1/22.5 full size > to represent Colorado-prototype 3' gauge trains. > > EPA instructed its agents to assume that the D&K smoke unit was > intended for a 1/22.5 scale model, since that would tend to magnify the > scale of the violation and thus maximize the financial gain to EPA. > > At any rate, that particular interpretation of G scale is (64/22.5) = > 2.844444 times larger than S scale. However, it is excessive both in > its length, its width and its height, so the G scale unit produced > (64/22.5)^3 or 23 times more smoke than it should, prompting EPA to seek > the maximum penalty permitted by federal statute. > > Hugo Chavez, the reputed mayor of Dingburg, could not explain why this > depot even had a furnace inside it, since the entire town of Dingburg is > built inside a climate-controlled room where the temperature never > varies from 70°F. "In Dingburg, you never need a coat, and there is > nothing at all to think about except toroidal baked goods and clam > juice". > > Later, after a two-pitcher interview at Sindbad's, Chavez was heard to > say, > > "dah Mike, he dah boss man, he been smokin' sumthin' up at th' big > house, an' I think he jus' wern't thinkin' clearly when he told dah boys > t' git a Micro Mark furnace. He gotta registered letter from some > artist, sayin' our very own ice cream stand was gonna be in th' > newspapahs, an' I think it jus' went to his head for a while. Just th' > othah day dah Mike, he warn't tall enough to reach th' coupler on a > boxcar, so he gits a 29 foot long box of feminyne things t' stand on; I > mean, why not just git a ladder?" > > An EPA operative originally believed that the smoke unit was 0 scale, > until an unnamed source who saw it being unloaded called EPA's anonymous > tip line and claimed that it was in fact a G scale smoke unit. When > asked about the informant, and after being given an additional pitcher, > Chavez mumbled, > > "@$%X! Moshqueeto, him alluhs wandrin' aroun in th' cornfield when 'e > oughta be practicin' with th' Pinheads, him never woulda seen that crate > if he bin in th' ballpark where 'e belongs, Che gonna fix 'im for > stickin 'is nose into th' company's bisness, skeeta gonna sleep with th' > fishes mornin', capish?" > > In late breaking news, CNN has learned that a Micro Mark engineer was > aware that D&K had ordered a furnace that was vastly larger than needed. > The unnamed technician installed a timer inside the furnace's ignition > control so that combustion would stop automatically after thirty > seconds. Had the device been left undisturbed, it would have waited 13 > minutes before restarting the furnace, and total average smoke emission > would have remained within EPA parameters. Unfortunately, a D&K > employee in the Bridges & Buildings Department who is widely-known for > his tinkering, bypassed the timer in order to get maximum performance > from the furnace. > > Chavez's comment on this development was both unintelligible and > unprintable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56039	From: uvl97222	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: New photos of the rim repair for the 310

I just posted a photo of two 310 trains with, and with out the repair done. The holes are very small. So take a look for your self. Clayton Milw. OR.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56040	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train...

Sounds neat! Did you buy it and will it run on Flyer S-Gauge track? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry & Janet Evans" <cujoacat@...> wrote: > > GUYS: > Today I made my weekly pilgrimage to Michael's so I could buy yet another > can of Testors Dullcote with the 40% off coupon that they put in almost > every Sunday newspaper. This brings the price down from $3.99 to $2.39 for a > $1.60 savings. This adds up over time as I use a lot of Dullcote. The coupon > works equally well for paint brushes, some of the Woodland Scenics scenery > that Michael's carries, foam core board for mounting models, other spray > paint, Aleene's Tacky Glue, etc. etc. > > Anyway, as I was leaving I noticed a battery-driven Spooky Train that > Michael's is now stocking for Halloween. Couldn't believe it; rails are 7/8" > apart, but plastic. Train includes engine, tender, coffin car and caboose > for $60. I think it runs on three 1.5v. batteries. Lots of spooky detail > parts spread among the four pieces. The people, including a flying witch, > skeleton engineer, mummy, Franck-in-steen etc. all appear a bit big for S > use, but ya never can tell. The three cars are daisy-chained electrically to > the engine, and each has some kind of action and/or lighting. The engine has > an LED headlight. > > With the 40% off coupon, this would bring the price down to $36 if you can > scrounge around and find last Sunday's Michael's ad. On my way out, the > clerk handed me a 50% off coupon that is good for next week. That would > bring the price down to $30 plus our local exorbitant 8.4% sales tax. There > are enough spooky pieces-parts, cats, bats, bones etc., on the assembly to > make it well worth $30. The engine drivers are plastic so they'd only work > on a static model. The wheels on the cars are about 3/8" diameter and might > work well on mine cars. They do have big flanges. > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56041	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit

Mike, Maybe they should file a countersuit against the EPA for contributing to global warming due to an excess of hot air coming from their offices. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:33 PM   ----- Original Message ----- http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/718358099/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=401& count=20& dir=asc > The latest in the town of the D&K RR as the ghost writer strikes again. > Funny how the ghost writer never signs his name in full. > > Mike Marmer > >> > > Dingburg, MD (CNN) - > > The United States Environmental Protection Agency has announced a fine > of $230,000 against the Dink & Kitty Railroad Co. for excessive > hydrocarbon emissions. Inspectors alleged that D&K management > intentionally installed a G scale smoke unit inside an S scale depot, > resulting in far greater amounts of smoke than would have been necessary > to keep the structure warm. > > G scale is commonly understood to be 1/32 full size if it represents > contemporary North American-prototype trains that operate on standard > gauge track; however, one manufacturer (USA Trains) makes its models > 1/29 full size because the proprietor did not think 1/32 was > impressively large enough. To complicate the issue further, another > manufacturer used 1/24 full size to represent German-prototype > meter-gauge trains; and still another manufacturer used 1/22.5 full size > to represent Colorado-prototype 3' gauge trains. > > EPA instructed its agents to assume that the D&K smoke unit was > intended for a 1/22.5 scale model, since that would tend to magnify the > scale of the violation and thus maximize the financial gain to EPA. > > At any rate, that particular interpretation of G scale is (64/22.5) = > 2.844444 times larger than S scale. However, it is excessive both in > its length, its width and its height, so the G scale unit produced > (64/22.5)^3 or 23 times more smoke than it should, prompting EPA to seek > the maximum penalty permitted by federal statute. > > Hugo Chavez, the reputed mayor of Dingburg, could not explain why this > depot even had a furnace inside it, since the entire town of Dingburg is > built inside a climate-controlled room where the temperature never > varies from 70°F. "In Dingburg, you never need a coat, and there is > nothing at all to think about except toroidal baked goods and clam > juice". > > Later, after a two-pitcher interview at Sindbad's, Chavez was heard to > say, > > "dah Mike, he dah boss man, he been smokin' sumthin' up at th' big > house, an' I think he jus' wern't thinkin' clearly when he told dah boys > t' git a Micro Mark furnace. He gotta registered letter from some > artist, sayin' our very own ice cream stand was gonna be in th' > newspapahs, an' I think it jus' went to his head for a while. Just th' > othah day dah Mike, he warn't tall enough to reach th' coupler on a > boxcar, so he gits a 29 foot long box of feminyne things t' stand on; I > mean, why not just git a ladder?" > > An EPA operative originally believed that the smoke unit was 0 scale, > until an unnamed source who saw it being unloaded called EPA's anonymous > tip line and claimed that it was in fact a G scale smoke unit. When > asked about the informant, and after being given an additional pitcher, > Chavez mumbled, > > "@$%X! Moshqueeto, him alluhs wandrin' aroun in th' cornfield when 'e > oughta be practicin' with th' Pinheads, him never woulda seen that crate > if he bin in th' ballpark where 'e belongs, Che gonna fix 'im for > stickin 'is nose into th' company's bisness, skeeta gonna sleep with th' > fishes mornin', capish?" > > In late breaking news, CNN has learned that a Micro Mark engineer was > aware that D&K had ordered a furnace that was vastly larger than needed. > The unnamed technician installed a timer inside the furnace's ignition > control so that combustion would stop automatically after thirty > seconds. Had the device been left undisturbed, it would have waited 13 > minutes before restarting the furnace, and total average smoke emission > would have remained within EPA parameters. Unfortunately, a D&K > employee in the Bridges & Buildings Department who is widely-known for > his tinkering, bypassed the timer in order to get maximum performance > from the furnace. > > Chavez's comment on this development was both unintelligible and > unprintable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56042	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

Hi Bob,                      The XA9578 Crossbar Assembly can be reattached by filing off the nibs, drilling two #2 holes where the nibs were are use 2 - S183 #2 Tap screws to hold the crossbar in place.   A strong epoxy may work, but keep in mind that there will be stress on this part as it attaches to the PA10243 Coupler bar which connects the locomotive and the tender.                             Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:11 PM   Hope this makes sense. My 'new' 310 (which is a 1946 version) has a cross bar which goes across the rear of the engine. This cross bar has a threaded stud on it and that is where the drawbar from the tender is connected. The cross bar is (or 'was' for my engine) secured with two little blips of metal which were (probably) 'headed' (i.e. like a rivit) to secure the cross bar. The cross bar has 'removed' itself from the engine - the remnants of the rivets are still there. Suggestions on how to repair this? Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56043	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion

Phil, did you try to flatten the hole out first after you removed the pin? I fined that doing so makes the hole small ones more, and I can use the same pin over some times too.  Clayton Milw. OR. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> wrote: From: Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler conversion To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:37 PM   Have a question. I bought 12 links and pins from Marty's Tarains out of New York and I have had nothing but problems. I bought the tool for removing the old pin ( a tube to knock the old pins out ) and all I have been able to do is make the hole in the truck bigger so now the replacement pins won't fit. My only options are to convert over to knuckle couplers, which I have w/ split rivets, but how do you convert the hole or what do I need to do other then change the trucks?.Any suggestions ....... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56044	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/9/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion

Hi Phil,                   If you purchased link coupler pins that were imported from Bulgaria, you will find that the shoulder is too long and you will not be able to punch these flush against the metal.  That will leave a small gap and the link coupler will not function properly.   You should also use a four mark link coupler tool made of tool steel. This will enable you to punch enough metal over the hole to hold the link coupler in place.  I am currently out of the 4 mark tools.  Knuckle Coupler conversions with the split rivet are basically simple.  I can mail you instructions if you don't have these.  Check the shoulder of your repro pins against an original and see if that is the problem.                                                                Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> wrote: From: Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler conversion To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:37 PM   Have a question. I bought 12 links and pins from Marty's Tarains out of New York and I have had nothing but problems. I bought the tool for removing the old pin ( a tube to knock the old pins out ) and all I have been able to do is make the hole in the truck bigger so now the replacement pins won't fit. My only options are to convert over to knuckle couplers, which I have w/ split rivets, but how do you convert the hole or what do I need to do other then change the trucks?.Any suggestions ....... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56045	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit

Not as hot as the air in California which is what the EPA is talking about! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: robert hendrickson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit Mike, Maybe they should file a countersuit against the EPA for contributing to global warming due to an excess of hot air coming from their offices. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:33 PM ----- Original Message ----- http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/718358099/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=401& count=20& dir=asc > The latest in the town of the D&K RR as the ghost writer strikes again. > Funny how the ghost writer never signs his name in full. > > Mike Marmer > >> > > Dingburg, MD (CNN) - > > The United States Environmental Protection Agency has announced a fine > of $230,000 against the Dink & Kitty Railroad Co. for excessive > hydrocarbon emissions. Inspectors alleged that D&K management > intentionally installed a G scale smoke unit inside an S scale depot, > resulting in far greater amounts of smoke than would have been necessary > to keep the structure warm. > > G scale is commonly understood to be 1/32 full size if it represents > contemporary North American-prototype trains that operate on standard > gauge track; however, one manufacturer (USA Trains) makes its models > 1/29 full size because the proprietor did not think 1/32 was > impressively large enough. To complicate the issue further, another > manufacturer used 1/24 full size to represent German-prototype > meter-gauge trains; and still another manufacturer used 1/22.5 full size > to represent Colorado-prototype 3' gauge trains. > > EPA instructed its agents to assume that the D&K smoke unit was > intended for a 1/22.5 scale model, since that would tend to magnify the > scale of the violation and thus maximize the financial gain to EPA. > > At any rate, that particular interpretation of G scale is (64/22.5) = > 2.844444 times larger than S scale. However, it is excessive both in > its length, its width and its height, so the G scale unit produced > (64/22.5)^3 or 23 times more smoke than it should, prompting EPA to seek > the maximum penalty permitted by federal statute. > > Hugo Chavez, the reputed mayor of Dingburg, could not explain why this > depot even had a furnace inside it, since the entire town of Dingburg is > built inside a climate-controlled room where the temperature never > varies from 70°F. "In Dingburg, you never need a coat, and there is > nothing at all to think about except toroidal baked goods and clam > juice". > > Later, after a two-pitcher interview at Sindbad's, Chavez was heard to > say, > > "dah Mike, he dah boss man, he been smokin' sumthin' up at th' big > house, an' I think he jus' wern't thinkin' clearly when he told dah boys > t' git a Micro Mark furnace. He gotta registered letter from some > artist, sayin' our very own ice cream stand was gonna be in th' > newspapahs, an' I think it jus' went to his head for a while. Just th' > othah day dah Mike, he warn't tall enough to reach th' coupler on a > boxcar, so he gits a 29 foot long box of feminyne things t' stand on; I > mean, why not just git a ladder?" > > An EPA operative originally believed that the smoke unit was 0 scale, > until an unnamed source who saw it being unloaded called EPA's anonymous > tip line and claimed that it was in fact a G scale smoke unit. When > asked about the informant, and after being given an additional pitcher, > Chavez mumbled, > > "@$%X! Moshqueeto, him alluhs wandrin' aroun in th' cornfield when 'e > oughta be practicin' with th' Pinheads, him never woulda seen that crate > if he bin in th' ballpark where 'e belongs, Che gonna fix 'im for > stickin 'is nose into th' company's bisness, skeeta gonna sleep with th' > fishes mornin', capish?" > > In late breaking news, CNN has learned that a Micro Mark engineer was > aware that D&K had ordered a furnace that was vastly larger than needed. > The unnamed technician installed a timer inside the furnace's ignition > control so that combustion would stop automatically after thirty > seconds. Had the device been left undisturbed, it would have waited 13 > minutes before restarting the furnace, and total average smoke emission > would have remained within EPA parameters. Unfortunately, a D&K > employee in the Bridges & Buildings Department who is widely-known for > his tinkering, bypassed the timer in order to get maximum performance > from the furnace. > > Chavez's comment on this development was both unintelligible and > unprintable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56046	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion

We have about 60 original Gilbert link pins if anybody needs them. I'm not familiar with the repro ones. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 09/09/2009 10:15:30 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Phil, If you purchased link coupler pins that were imported from Bulgaria, you will find that the shoulder is too long and you will not be able to punch these flush against the metal. That will leave a small gap and the link coupler will not function properly. You should also use a four mark link coupler tool made of tool steel. This will enable you to punch enough metal over the hole to hold the link coupler in place. I am currently out of the 4 mark tools. Knuckle Coupler conversions with the split rivet are basically simple. I can mail you instructions if you don't have these. Check the shoulder of your repro pins against an original and see if that is the problem. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 9/9/09, _Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) <_Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) > wrote: From: _Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) <_Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler conversion To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:37 PM Have a question. I bought 12 links and pins from Marty's Tarains out of New York and I have had nothing but problems. I bought the tool for removing the old pin ( a tube to knock the old pins out ) and all I have been able to do is make the hole in the truck bigger so now the replacement pins won't fit. My only options are to convert over to knuckle couplers, which I have w/ split rivets, but how do you convert the hole or what do I need to do other then change the trucks?.Any suggestions ....... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56047	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train...

Dont forget the Franklin and old time cars is aproximately O scale so running another out of scale will not matter. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertguy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Spooky Train... Sounds neat! Did you buy it and will it run on Flyer S-Gauge track? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry & Janet Evans" <cujoacat@...> wrote: > > GUYS: > Today I made my weekly pilgrimage to Michael's so I could buy yet another > can of Testors Dullcote with the 40% off coupon that they put in almost > every Sunday newspaper. This brings the price down from $3.99 to $2.39 for a > $1.60 savings. This adds up over time as I use a lot of Dullcote. The coupon > works equally well for paint brushes, some of the Woodland Scenics scenery > that Michael's carries, foam core board for mounting models, other spray > paint, Aleene's Tacky Glue, etc. etc. > > Anyway, as I was leaving I noticed a battery-driven Spooky Train that > Michael's is now stocking for Halloween. Couldn't believe it; rails are 7/8" > apart, but plastic. Train includes engine, tender, coffin car and caboose > for $60. I think it runs on three 1.5v. batteries. Lots of spooky detail > parts spread among the four pieces. The people, including a flying witch, > skeleton engineer, mummy, Franck-in-steen etc. all appear a bit big for S > use, but ya never can tell. The three cars are daisy-chained electrically to > the engine, and each has some kind of action and/or lighting. The engine has > an LED headlight. > > With the 40% off coupon, this would bring the price down to $36 if you can > scrounge around and find last Sunday's Michael's ad. On my way out, the > clerk handed me a 50% off coupon that is good for next week. That would > bring the price down to $30 plus our local exorbitant 8.4% sales tax. There > are enough spooky pieces-parts, cats, bats, bones etc., on the assembly to > make it well worth $30. The engine drivers are plastic so they'd only work > on a static model. The wheels on the cars are about 3/8" diameter and might > work well on mine cars. They do have big flanges. > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56048	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

Dont forget Tom, epoxy was formulated to hold aluminum aircraft panels together originally. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab Hi Bob, The XA9578 Crossbar Assembly can be reattached by filing off the nibs, drilling two #2 holes where the nibs were are use 2 - S183 #2 Tap screws to hold the crossbar in place. A strong epoxy may work, but keep in mind that there will be stress on this part as it attaches to the PA10243 Coupler bar which connects the locomotive and the tender. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:11 PM Hope this makes sense. My 'new' 310 (which is a 1946 version) has a cross bar which goes across the rear of the engine. This cross bar has a threaded stud on it and that is where the drawbar from the tender is connected. The cross bar is (or 'was' for my engine) secured with two little blips of metal which were (probably) 'headed' (i.e. like a rivit) to secure the cross bar. The cross bar has 'removed' itself from the engine - the remnants of the rivets are still there. Suggestions on how to repair this? Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56049	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Idaho Train Shows

The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be displaying the new, third-generation version of its famous layout, Lookout Junction, at two train shows in Idaho in the next few weeks. Join us if you can! September 11-13 Treasure Valley Train Expo O'Connor Field House 2207 E. Blaine Caldwell, Idaho October 10-11 Railshow 2009 Idaho Falls Recreation Center 520 Memorial Drive Idaho Falls, Idaho Lookout Junction III is bigger and certainly more complex than its predecessors. We've mounted S-Helper flex track with Tom's Turnouts. There are three "lookout" crossings now instead of one, a couple of wyes, a huge fiddle yard (still under construction), two levels with long connecting ramps, a roundhouse and turntable, and DCC operation. C'mon out and play trains with us. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56050	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion

Thank You for all of you suggestions. I think I screwed the hole up bad. The tool I have for installing the new pin is harden tool steal and the sholder on the pin is small enough not to be to long. I just egg shaped the hoie I guess. How do I convert to a knuckle coupler useing the same truck?...Anyone... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 9/9/2009 11:15:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Mex, uvl97222@... writes: Phil, did you try to flatten the hole out first after you removed the pin? I fined that doing so makes the hole small ones more, and I can use the same pin over some times too. Clayton Milw. OR. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, _Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) <_Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) > wrote: From: _Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) <_Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler conversion To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:37 PM Have a question. I bought 12 links and pins from Marty's Tarains out of New York and I have had nothing but problems. I bought the tool for removing the old pin ( a tube to knock the old pins out ) and all I have been able to do is make the hole in the truck bigger so now the replacement pins won't fit. My only options are to convert over to knuckle couplers, which I have w/ split rivets, but how do you convert the hole or what do I need to do other then change the trucks?.Any suggestions ....... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56051	From: michael prell	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit

Or the Hot Air coming out of Washington lately!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:52 AM   Not as hot as the air in California which is what the EPA is talking about! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: robert hendrickson To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit Mike, Maybe they should file a countersuit against the EPA for contributing to global warming due to an excess of hot air coming from their offices. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:33 PM ----- Original Message ----- http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/718358099/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=401& count=20& dir=asc > The latest in the town of the D&K RR as the ghost writer strikes again. > Funny how the ghost writer never signs his name in full. > > Mike Marmer > >> > > Dingburg, MD (CNN) - > > The United States Environmental Protection Agency has announced a fine > of $230,000 against the Dink & Kitty Railroad Co. for excessive > hydrocarbon emissions. Inspectors alleged that D&K management > intentionally installed a G scale smoke unit inside an S scale depot, > resulting in far greater amounts of smoke than would have been necessary > to keep the structure warm. > > G scale is commonly understood to be 1/32 full size if it represents > contemporary North American-prototype trains that operate on standard > gauge track; however, one manufacturer (USA Trains) makes its models > 1/29 full size because the proprietor did not think 1/32 was > impressively large enough. To complicate the issue further, another > manufacturer used 1/24 full size to represent German-prototype > meter-gauge trains; and still another manufacturer used 1/22.5 full size > to represent Colorado-prototype 3' gauge trains. > > EPA instructed its agents to assume that the D&K smoke unit was > intended for a 1/22.5 scale model, since that would tend to magnify the > scale of the violation and thus maximize the financial gain to EPA. > > At any rate, that particular interpretation of G scale is (64/22.5) = > 2.844444 times larger than S scale. However, it is excessive both in > its length, its width and its height, so the G scale unit produced > (64/22.5)^3 or 23 times more smoke than it should, prompting EPA to seek > the maximum penalty permitted by federal statute. > > Hugo Chavez, the reputed mayor of Dingburg, could not explain why this > depot even had a furnace inside it, since the entire town of Dingburg is > built inside a climate-controlled room where the temperature never > varies from 70°F. "In Dingburg, you never need a coat, and there is > nothing at all to think about except toroidal baked goods and clam > juice". > > Later, after a two-pitcher interview at Sindbad's, Chavez was heard to > say, > > "dah Mike, he dah boss man, he been smokin' sumthin' up at th' big > house, an' I think he jus' wern't thinkin' clearly when he told dah boys > t' git a Micro Mark furnace. He gotta registered letter from some > artist, sayin' our very own ice cream stand was gonna be in th' > newspapahs, an' I think it jus' went to his head for a while. Just th' > othah day dah Mike, he warn't tall enough to reach th' coupler on a > boxcar, so he gits a 29 foot long box of feminyne things t' stand on; I > mean, why not just git a ladder?" > > An EPA operative originally believed that the smoke unit was 0 scale, > until an unnamed source who saw it being unloaded called EPA's anonymous > tip line and claimed that it was in fact a G scale smoke unit. When > asked about the informant, and after being given an additional pitcher, > Chavez mumbled, > > "@$%X! Moshqueeto, him alluhs wandrin' aroun in th' cornfield when 'e > oughta be practicin' with th' Pinheads, him never woulda seen that crate > if he bin in th' ballpark where 'e belongs, Che gonna fix 'im for > stickin 'is nose into th' company's bisness, skeeta gonna sleep with th' > fishes mornin', capish?" > > In late breaking news, CNN has learned that a Micro Mark engineer was > aware that D&K had ordered a furnace that was vastly larger than needed. > The unnamed technician installed a timer inside the furnace's ignition > control so that combustion would stop automatically after thirty > seconds. Had the device been left undisturbed, it would have waited 13 > minutes before restarting the furnace, and total average smoke emission > would have remained within EPA parameters. Unfortunately, a D&K > employee in the Bridges & Buildings Department who is widely-known for > his tinkering, bypassed the timer in order to get maximum performance > from the furnace. > > Chavez's comment on this development was both unintelligible and > unprintable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56052	From: portlines	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Link coupler conversion

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56053	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: PRR (R.E.A.) Photo - NEW

Hello All, We have just posted a NEW PHOTO of a #17456 PRR (R.E.A.) baggage car in our album. Go to this to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/140713396/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Enjoy. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56054	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers?

I see reference to two general types of couplers - link couplers (LC) and knuckle couplers (KC) - I am assuming I have the short hand correct here. I am also assuming the coupler on the tail of my AF 310 tender is a 'link coupler', i.e. it is a straight hook type of arrangement that pivots up and drops down by gravity. I am also assuming (dangerous assumption perhaps) that the standard today is the knuckle couplers. If so, when did the transition take place? Is there a preference? Or do folks run a bit of both with a transition car to handle coupling from one to the other. Ah, so many questions. Bob Groh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56055	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit

You guys are too cruel. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit Or the Hot Air coming out of Washington lately! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:52 AM Not as hot as the air in California which is what the EPA is talking about! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: robert hendrickson To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit Mike, Maybe they should file a countersuit against the EPA for contributing to global warming due to an excess of hot air coming from their offices. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:33 PM ----- Original Message ----- http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/718358099/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=401& count=20& dir=asc > The latest in the town of the D&K RR as the ghost writer strikes again. > Funny how the ghost writer never signs his name in full. > > Mike Marmer > >> > > Dingburg, MD (CNN) - > > The United States Environmental Protection Agency has announced a fine > of $230,000 against the Dink & Kitty Railroad Co. for excessive > hydrocarbon emissions. Inspectors alleged that D&K management > intentionally installed a G scale smoke unit inside an S scale depot, > resulting in far greater amounts of smoke than would have been necessary > to keep the structure warm. > > G scale is commonly understood to be 1/32 full size if it represents > contemporary North American-prototype trains that operate on standard > gauge track; however, one manufacturer (USA Trains) makes its models > 1/29 full size because the proprietor did not think 1/32 was > impressively large enough. To complicate the issue further, another > manufacturer used 1/24 full size to represent German-prototype > meter-gauge trains; and still another manufacturer used 1/22.5 full size > to represent Colorado-prototype 3' gauge trains. > > EPA instructed its agents to assume that the D&K smoke unit was > intended for a 1/22.5 scale model, since that would tend to magnify the > scale of the violation and thus maximize the financial gain to EPA. > > At any rate, that particular interpretation of G scale is (64/22.5) = > 2.844444 times larger than S scale. However, it is excessive both in > its length, its width and its height, so the G scale unit produced > (64/22.5)^3 or 23 times more smoke than it should, prompting EPA to seek > the maximum penalty permitted by federal statute. > > Hugo Chavez, the reputed mayor of Dingburg, could not explain why this > depot even had a furnace inside it, since the entire town of Dingburg is > built inside a climate-controlled room where the temperature never > varies from 70°F. "In Dingburg, you never need a coat, and there is > nothing at all to think about except toroidal baked goods and clam > juice". > > Later, after a two-pitcher interview at Sindbad's, Chavez was heard to > say, > > "dah Mike, he dah boss man, he been smokin' sumthin' up at th' big > house, an' I think he jus' wern't thinkin' clearly when he told dah boys > t' git a Micro Mark furnace. He gotta registered letter from some > artist, sayin' our very own ice cream stand was gonna be in th' > newspapahs, an' I think it jus' went to his head for a while. Just th' > othah day dah Mike, he warn't tall enough to reach th' coupler on a > boxcar, so he gits a 29 foot long box of feminyne things t' stand on; I > mean, why not just git a ladder?" > > An EPA operative originally believed that the smoke unit was 0 scale, > until an unnamed source who saw it being unloaded called EPA's anonymous > tip line and claimed that it was in fact a G scale smoke unit. When > asked about the informant, and after being given an additional pitcher, > Chavez mumbled, > > "@$%X! Moshqueeto, him alluhs wandrin' aroun in th' cornfield when 'e > oughta be practicin' with th' Pinheads, him never woulda seen that crate > if he bin in th' ballpark where 'e belongs, Che gonna fix 'im for > stickin 'is nose into th' company's bisness, skeeta gonna sleep with th' > fishes mornin', capish?" > > In late breaking news, CNN has learned that a Micro Mark engineer was > aware that D&K had ordered a furnace that was vastly larger than needed. > The unnamed technician installed a timer inside the furnace's ignition > control so that combustion would stop automatically after thirty > seconds. Had the device been left undisturbed, it would have waited 13 > minutes before restarting the furnace, and total average smoke emission > would have remained within EPA parameters. Unfortunately, a D&K > employee in the Bridges & Buildings Department who is widely-known for > his tinkering, bypassed the timer in order to get maximum performance > from the furnace. > > Chavez's comment on this development was both unintelligible and > unprintable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56056	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: PRR (R.E.A.) Photo - NEW

Wow !!!   Dave that is really beautiful. Will you be at York this October? I'd love to own one to use behing my 312 PRR K5.   Nick Kulp   Hello All,      We have just posted a NEW PHOTO of a #17456 PRR (R.E.A.) baggage car in our album.      Go to this to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/140713396/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc      Enjoy. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56057	From: portlines	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers

Bob, Your assumptions are all correct! The conversion to KCs began in 1953. Choice?----personal preferences. LC trucks are easily converted to KCs, but the opposite is not practical. Conversion cars are often used, as you noted. Everything produced today by Flyonel, SHS, Am Models, etc, for highrail use has KCs. Doug PecPort Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > I see reference to two general types of couplers - link couplers (LC) and knuckle couplers (KC) - I am assuming I have the short hand correct here. I am also assuming the coupler on the tail of my AF 310 tender is a 'link coupler', i.e. it is a straight hook type of arrangement that pivots up and drops down by gravity. > > I am also assuming (dangerous assumption perhaps) that the standard today is the knuckle couplers. > > If so, when did the transition take place? > > Is there a preference? Or do folks run a bit of both with a transition car to handle coupling from one to the other. > > Ah, so many questions. > > Bob Groh >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56058	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers

Bob... At the risk of starting confusion.... dates approximate... 1946 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thin shank at the metal pivot point. 1947 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point. 1948 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a brass weight. 1949 to around 1952 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a black weight. 1952 up to 1960+ had the knuckle coupler. 1963+- had the pikemaster type. There is also a solid non working coupler.... around 1960+- Bob --- On Thu, 9/10/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:46 PM   I see reference to two general types of couplers - link couplers (LC) and knuckle couplers (KC) - I am assuming I have the short hand correct here. I am also assuming the coupler on the tail of my AF 310 tender is a 'link coupler', i.e. it is a straight hook type of arrangement that pivots up and drops down by gravity. I am also assuming (dangerous assumption perhaps) that the standard today is the knuckle couplers. If so, when did the transition take place? Is there a preference? Or do folks run a bit of both with a transition car to handle coupling from one to the other. Ah, so many questions. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56059	From: Jim V	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: wiring diagram

Greetings fellow S gaugers, Tried my best to find a wiring diagram for Gabe 780 or 23780 - did not find one anywhere.  The Yellow and red wires are disconnected at the tower. Anybody have any input? thanks, JimV

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56060	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: S Scale Pigeons

Just when I thought it could not get any better than having S scale Cats on the layout, I now have S SCALE PIGEONS!!!!!! WA HOO! Yes, in the next kit I am making, a instrument house for the railroad, it has THREE S scale pigeons. Also, I believe the factory that will be worked on next has pigeons. What could be better than creating a Hugo, Cat and Pigeon Scene on the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56061	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons

Just glad I am not a scale figure without an umbrella! LOL Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains ; Toy Trains ; Cookie Flannery ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Jeanette Ryba ; jsnell5990@... Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Pigeons Just when I thought it could not get any better than having S scale Cats on the layout, I now have S SCALE PIGEONS!!!!!! WA HOO! Yes, in the next kit I am making, a instrument house for the railroad, it has THREE S scale pigeons. Also, I believe the factory that will be worked on next has pigeons. What could be better than creating a Hugo, Cat and Pigeon Scene on the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56062	From: portlines	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: wiring diagram

Assuming that "yellow and red" are consistent........the red wire from the control button connects to the fahnestock clip underneath the tower (it is on the metal rod that extends up to the lights. The yellow wire goes inside the house, and connects to the VERY fine wire coming off the outer winding of the small release-coil (a very fragile wire connection!). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturd: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jim V <jimmyv42@...> wrote: > > Greetings fellow S gaugers, > > Tried my best to find a wiring diagram for Gabe 780 or 23780 - did not find one anywhere.  The Yellow and red wires are disconnected at the tower. Anybody have any input? > > thanks, > > JimV >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56063	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons

Yes, little spots of white paint will be in order. Wait till I create the great cat and pigeons war. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Scale Pigeons Just glad I am not a scale figure without an umbrella! LOL Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains ; Toy Trains ; Cookie Flannery ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Jeanette Ryba ; jsnell5990@... Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Pigeons Just when I thought it could not get any better than having S scale Cats on the layout, I now have S SCALE PIGEONS!!!!!! WA HOO! Yes, in the next kit I am making, a instrument house for the railroad, it has THREE S scale pigeons. Also, I believe the factory that will be worked on next has pigeons. What could be better than creating a Hugo, Cat and Pigeon Scene on the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56064	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2

I was just reminded in a private email when some one was telling me how to make some S scale Pigeon droppings, lol, that there are already painted S scale pigeons ready to go. I forgot about this, as I have the makers email address. Pre-painted Pigeons, 4 for 10 dollars, I believe they where. Let the war of the Cats vs. Pigeons begin. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56065	From: The Reardon's	Date: 9/10/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2

Hey Mike, Can you share with us the name/address of the maker of pigeons? Thanks, Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S trains Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Pigeons, Part 2 I was just reminded in a private email when some one was telling me how to make some S scale Pigeon droppings, lol, that there are already painted S scale pigeons ready to go. I forgot about this, as I have the makers email address. Pre-painted Pigeons, 4 for 10 dollars, I believe they where. Let the war of the Cats vs. Pigeons begin. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56066	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2

Dear Pat, From my NMRA convention report in July. Don On Jul 12, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Don Thompson wrote: > Last day and a new discovery, S scale birds. Boy, you think you > know stuff and then Manfred Lesser came to the NASG mfgs. booth this > morning and informed us of these neat little s scale birds he > produces. He was sharing a booth with Sylvan Models. A short walk > over and I was picking out packets of decorated birds to perch on > all of my buildings. I saw robins, cardinals, blue birds, eagles, > pigeons, sea gulls, orioles, Blue herons, and other assorted other > featured friends. I purchased a few, but will be getting more. > His website is not up yet, but he can be reached at: > 638 Layard St., > London, ON N5Z 1L4 On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:06 PM, The Reardon's wrote: > Hey Mike, > > Can you share with us the name/address of the maker of pigeons? > > Thanks, > Pat, in Maine > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 3 > New Members > 41 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56067	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers

TheGilbertGallery.org has pictures of each of the five generations of American Flyer couplers, including the variations within generations:              http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/couplers.html I do need to add the several different variations of Flyer knuckle couplers sold by Lionel in the past 20 years. Bob --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 1:24 PM   Bob... At the risk of starting confusion... . dates approximate. .. 1946 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thin shank at the metal pivot point. 1947 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point. 1948 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a brass weight. 1949 to around 1952 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a black weight. 1952 up to 1960+ had the knuckle coupler. 1963+- had the pikemaster type. There is also a solid non working coupler.... around 1960+- Bob --- On Thu, 9/10/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:46 PM   I see reference to two general types of couplers - link couplers (LC) and knuckle couplers (KC) - I am assuming I have the short hand correct here. I am also assuming the coupler on the tail of my AF 310 tender is a 'link coupler', i.e. it is a straight hook type of arrangement that pivots up and drops down by gravity. I am also assuming (dangerous assumption perhaps) that the standard today is the knuckle couplers. If so, when did the transition take place? Is there a preference? Or do folks run a bit of both with a transition car to handle coupling from one to the other. Ah, so many questions. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56068	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers

Hi Bob,                     There are 3 different Link Couplers.  PA9993 Link coupler with thin shank 1946 only, PA10469 Link Coupler No weght 1947 Only and XA10469 Link Coupler Assembly Brass Weight 1948, Black Weight 1949 to 1953.  Link Couplers from 1947 to 1953 used PA10467 Link Coupler Pins.  PA9993 Thin Shank Link Couplers used PA9994 Black Link Coupler Pins 1946 Only.                                             Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/10/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:46 PM   I see reference to two general types of couplers - link couplers (LC) and knuckle couplers (KC) - I am assuming I have the short hand correct here. I am also assuming the coupler on the tail of my AF 310 tender is a 'link coupler', i.e. it is a straight hook type of arrangement that pivots up and drops down by gravity. I am also assuming (dangerous assumption perhaps) that the standard today is the knuckle couplers. If so, when did the transition take place? Is there a preference? Or do folks run a bit of both with a transition car to handle coupling from one to the other. Ah, so many questions. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56069	From: Jim V	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: wiring diagram

Hey Doug, Many thanks for the input - I'll get on it first thing in the AM. BTW - do you have the house and roof in stock?  I checked your parts and couldn't find them. JimV ________________________________ From: portlines <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:27:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wiring diagram   Assuming that "yellow and red" are consistent.. ......the red wire from the control button connects to the fahnestock clip underneath the tower (it is on the metal rod that extends up to the lights. The yellow wire goes inside the house, and connects to the VERY fine wire coming off the outer winding of the small release-coil (a very fragile wire connection!) . Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturd: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Jim V <jimmyv42@.. .> wrote: > > Greetings fellow S gaugers, > > Tried my best to find a wiring diagram for Gabe 780 or 23780 - did not find one anywhere.  The Yellow and red wires are disconnected at the tower. Anybody have any input? > > thanks, > > JimV > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56070	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco

Hi Alistair,                   I'm not saying the epoxy would not work, but I know that the screws would be a permanent fix.  Some epoxys are better than others.                                                        Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:50 AM   Dont forget Tom, epoxy was formulated to hold aluminum aircraft panels together originally. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab Hi Bob, The XA9578 Crossbar Assembly can be reattached by filing off the nibs, drilling two #2 holes where the nibs were are use 2 - S183 #2 Tap screws to hold the crossbar in place. A strong epoxy may work, but keep in mind that there will be stress on this part as it attaches to the PA10243 Coupler bar which connects the locomotive and the tender. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/8/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] 310 Locomotive - how to secure the drawbar cross bar in the loco cab To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 10:11 PM Hope this makes sense. My 'new' 310 (which is a 1946 version) has a cross bar which goes across the rear of the engine. This cross bar has a threaded stud on it and that is where the drawbar from the tender is connected. The cross bar is (or 'was' for my engine) secured with two little blips of metal which were (probably) 'headed' (i.e. like a rivit) to secure the cross bar. The cross bar has 'removed' itself from the engine - the remnants of the rivets are still there. Suggestions on how to repair this? Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.88/2357 - Release Date: 09/09/09 17:50:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56071	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons, Part 2

lesser_12@... Pat, His name is Manfred Lesser. I know he is on the S scale list. I get to go to your state in 19 days, leaving 9-30 for our usual trip to Acadia. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: The Reardon's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Scale Pigeons, Part 2 Hey Mike, Can you share with us the name/address of the maker of pigeons? Thanks, Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S trains Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Pigeons, Part 2 I was just reminded in a private email when some one was telling me how to make some S scale Pigeon droppings, lol, that there are already painted S scale pigeons ready to go. I forgot about this, as I have the makers email address. Pre-painted Pigeons, 4 for 10 dollars, I believe they where. Let the war of the Cats vs. Pigeons begin. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56072	From: kc6ktj	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Convention Car's

Hi! All. Any one have an idea when the 2009 Convention Car's will be released to those who were unable to attented the convention.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56073	From: michael prell	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers

Just a thought, if one were to convert all of ones rolling stock to KC, (1946-52?) how does this effect collector value, assuming that the conversion does not detract from operation or appearence. Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:24 PM   Bob... At the risk of starting confusion... . dates approximate. .. 1946 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thin shank at the metal pivot point. 1947 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point. 1948 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a brass weight. 1949 to around 1952 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a black weight. 1952 up to 1960+ had the knuckle coupler. 1963+- had the pikemaster type. There is also a solid non working coupler.... around 1960+- Bob --- On Thu, 9/10/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:46 PM   I see reference to two general types of couplers - link couplers (LC) and knuckle couplers (KC) - I am assuming I have the short hand correct here. I am also assuming the coupler on the tail of my AF 310 tender is a 'link coupler', i.e. it is a straight hook type of arrangement that pivots up and drops down by gravity. I am also assuming (dangerous assumption perhaps) that the standard today is the knuckle couplers. If so, when did the transition take place? Is there a preference? Or do folks run a bit of both with a transition car to handle coupling from one to the other. Ah, so many questions. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56074	From: michael prell	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Pigeons

How's about little guys with s-cale 12gauge shotguns?    Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Pigeons To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Steve Hoschler" <steve@...>, "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>, jsnell5990@... Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:50 PM   Just when I thought it could not get any better than having S scale Cats on the layout, I now have S SCALE PIGEONS!!!!! ! WA HOO! Yes, in the next kit I am making, a instrument house for the railroad, it has THREE S scale pigeons. Also, I believe the factory that will be worked on next has pigeons. What could be better than creating a Hugo, Cat and Pigeon Scene on the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56075	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: PRR (R.E.A.) Photo - NEW

Nick,      Sorry, we won't be at York, just super busy with the business with no time left to attend.      As you can see this unit is made from a #651 so just about any one can build one up using our decals.      Thank you for the cudos.      Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRR (R.E.A.) Photo - NEW To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 3:46 PM   Wow !!!   Dave that is really beautiful. Will you be at York this October? I'd love to own one to use behing my 312 PRR K5.   Nick Kulp   Hello All,      We have just posted a NEW PHOTO of a #17456 PRR (R.E.A.) baggage car in our album.      Go to this to view: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/140713396/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc      Enjoy. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56076	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: wiring diagram

Yes......they're listed under TOWERS. Have both. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim V Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: wiring diagram Hey Doug, Many thanks for the input - I'll get on it first thing in the AM. BTW - do you have the house and roof in stock? I checked your parts and couldn't find them. JimV ________________________________ From: portlines <doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:27:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wiring diagram Assuming that "yellow and red" are consistent.. ......the red wire from the control button connects to the fahnestock clip underneath the tower (it is on the metal rod that extends up to the lights. The yellow wire goes inside the house, and connects to the VERY fine wire coming off the outer winding of the small release-coil (a very fragile wire connection!) . Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains. com www.flyerparts. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturd: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Jim V <jimmyv42@.. .> wrote: > > Greetings fellow S gaugers, > > Tried my best to find a wiring diagram for Gabe 780 or 23780 - did not find one anywhere. The Yellow and red wires are disconnected at the tower. Anybody have any input? > > thanks, > > JimV > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56077	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: 2009 AF, Fall catalog

I haven't seen anyone else post this yet, so here goes. The Lionel Fall, 2009, catalog will soon be released, and it includes 10 AF items. Not yet visible on the Lionel website. MSRP prices are given here. Santa Fe A-A diesel pair ($370) Santa Fe Streamline car 3-pack ($250) Circus stock car ($70) 1953 Catalog Cover Art boxcar ($70) USPS boxcar ($70) Sunoco tank car ($70) BNSF flat car with turbo-engine load ($70) UP hopper ($70) E-L caboose ($70) SP Cotton Belt caboose ($70) We will be accepting reservations for items, effective immediately, at our usual discounted advance-order pricing. I do not yet know the "closing date" for orders. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56078	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convention Car's

Just rec. my cars on Wed. of this week. Should see them soon, we are in Ohio. Dave. Regards, Dave Bellian -----Original Message----- From: kc6ktj <kc6ktj@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 11:20 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Convention Car's Hi! All. Any one have an idea when the 2009 Convention Car's will be released to those who were unable to attented the convention. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56079	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > TheGilbertGallery.org has pictures of each of the five generations of American Flyer couplers, including the variations within generations: > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/couplers.html > > I do need to add the several different variations of Flyer knuckle couplers sold by Lionel in the past 20 years. > > Bob > Loved the web site and the pictures really helped tie down the coupler question. In fact, the web site has a great deal of information that helps fill in my knowledge of AF trains. Tom's part numbers for all variations of the LC is also a great help. Bob Groh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56080	From: Glenn	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train

Seems that tiny layout used to be at the Greenberg train shows with the air propelled train. Glenn Re: Spooky Train... Posted by: "Art Armstrong" aarmstro@... s_scale2001 Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:14 am (PDT) Hi Bill - Are you old enough to remember an article in MR years ago about a guy who build a small (around Z scale, as I remember) layout to do this? He had cars on a string with airjets in a trough-like track/roadbed and he blew the trains around his layout with a small compressor - the layout was smaller than 3 feet square - again, as I remember - and my memory is not much. There were no wheels on his cars. Art Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Diane, B.T.S. Seems that having air nozzels embedded in the 'track', or whatever the concrete roadbed will be called, with most pointed straight up to provide lift, one group angled in one direction and the other group pointed the other way, will propel a lightweight car. Speed can be controlled by reducing the angled air flow. Build the cars from balsa - have free-rolling small wheels on the lower sides to keep it centered. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56081	From: jvmandell	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 11TH 2009

The New Haven and Derby Model Railroad Club, Inc. (an affiliate of The Orange Historical Society) will be holding it's 17th annual model train show on Sunday October 11, 2009 from 9:30AM–3:30PM at High Plains Community Center 525 Orange Center Road (route 152) in Orange, CT. Mapquest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=525+Orange+Center+Road&city=Orange&state=ct&zipcode= The building is minutes from Interstate 95's exit 41 and exit 56 of the Wilbur Cross Parkway (CT 15). It is handicap accessible and has plenty of free parking. All Scales and eras will be represented with between 90-100 vendor tables featuring locomotives, rolling stock, books, accessories, clothing, scenery, buildings and railroad memorabilia. The Valley "HO" Railroad Club, Valley "N"-Trak Railroad Club and the Connecticut "G" Scale Railroad Club will have their modular operating layouts set up for viewing and their members will gladly answer any questions you may have. In addition we will have smaller kid friendly "S" gauge and "T" track layouts. And for those who want to incorporate a nautical scene to their layouts, we'll have the Connecticut Marine Model Society demonstrating their craft. There will be door prizes at least every hour and a dining car to satisfy your hunger. All in all there will be something for every member of the family. Donations are: adults $5.00, teens (12-18 with adult) $1.00 and under 12 free. For more information contact Chairman Don Robillard by phone at (203)932-0185 or by e-mail at donbetnessrobi@.... Visit our website: www.newhaven-derbymodelrailroadclub.org to find out more about us.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56082	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Spooky Train

Yes, I remember that old Model Railroader article from the eighties. I tried the mini air train thing at the time too. Made up an oval layout using Masonite and cardboard for the layout and file cards for the train. The first test blew the train two feet into the air! After slowing the fan motor and changing the air channels under the layout, I got it to work just "okay" but not reliably. It was really too small to be practical for me to stay with it and do a bigger layout. The idea of air jets lifting and moving this tiny train reminds me of the way the Mag-Lev trains work by using magnets to do the same thing. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56083	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convention Car's

Hi, If you're refering to the Falstaff beer cars mine arrived a couple of weeks ago. You can see them here on my beer train video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eqIfEMy-Q8 BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "kc6ktj" <kc6ktj@...> wrote: > > Hi! All. > > Any one have an idea when the 2009 Convention Car's will be released to those who were unable to attented the convention. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56084	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Instrument House

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/270510660/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=401&count=20&dir=asc Pictures of a B.T.S. Instrument House for the RR. The spool and pallet come with it. The spool was 8 pieces and the pallet was 8 also. There is a pole that will have two insulators for electric line to the house, as you drill two holes in the vents by the door. There are rail plates for the pallet to be painted and trash cans, barrel and pigeons. However, this house is really for storage of S scale marching band musical instruments for the D&K RR Marching Band. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56085	From: rj4010d	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: S Gauge on You Tube

S Friends, My son has loaded some more S gauge video's on You Tube under the name of CarTrain1. Must give them time to load & then hit replay.See at http://www.youtube.com/user/CarTrain1 Enjoy. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56086	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers

Hi Mike,                          I can tell you that you really wouldn't want to convert a 1946 625 Orange Shell Tank Car or a 1947 G. Fox Box Car.   There are link cars that are worth a considerable amount of money and removing the original couplers would certainly hurt the value.                             Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/10/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:25 PM   Just a thought, if one were to convert all of ones rolling stock to KC, (1946-52?) how does this effect collector value, assuming that the conversion does not detract from operation or appearence. Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:24 PM Bob... At the risk of starting confusion... . dates approximate. .. 1946 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thin shank at the metal pivot point. 1947 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point. 1948 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a brass weight. 1949 to around 1952 LC is the type with the hook and tapered end that goes up and down... has a thick shank at the metal pivot point and a black weight. 1952 up to 1960+ had the knuckle coupler. 1963+- had the pikemaster type. There is also a solid non working coupler.... around 1960+- Bob --- On Thu, 9/10/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@gmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Another 'nubie' question - what is the history/story on couplers? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:46 PM I see reference to two general types of couplers - link couplers (LC) and knuckle couplers (KC) - I am assuming I have the short hand correct here. I am also assuming the coupler on the tail of my AF 310 tender is a 'link coupler', i.e. it is a straight hook type of arrangement that pivots up and drops down by gravity. I am also assuming (dangerous assumption perhaps) that the standard today is the knuckle couplers. If so, when did the transition take place? Is there a preference? Or do folks run a bit of both with a transition car to handle coupling from one to the other. Ah, so many questions. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56087	From: jim patterson	Date: 9/11/2009
Subject: Re: Convention Car's

09/11/09 Hi. Actually No! I did order the same cars. I was wondering if they were received and being sent to those who did order them. I wasn't able to find a contact address to check. So I was hoping some would see the message. and pass on a contact address! Thanks! For the help. Jim. --- On Fri, 9/11/09, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Convention Car's > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 4:28 PM > Hi, > > If you're refering to the Falstaff beer cars mine arrived a > couple of weeks ago.  You can see them here on my beer > train video: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eqIfEMy-Q8 > > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, > "kc6ktj" <kc6ktj@...> wrote: > > > > Hi! All. > > > > Any one have an idea when the 2009 Convention Car's > will be released to those who were unable to attented the > convention. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56088	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Calendar reminder

This Sunday, Sept 13th, the FALL HAMBURG DUTCH TRAIN MEET opens it's doors at 9 AM, open til 1 PM in the Hamburg Fire Co Field House, Pine St, off of Fourth St in Hamburg PA. EASY access to I 78/US 22 ALWAYS lots of tables (usually over 300), new, used, parts etc for all gauges. GREAT FOOD TOO. Might be a few tables left, contact Ralph @ 610-987-3144 OR 610-374-7632 Jim "takin' Tinplate Ties to Hamburg" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56089	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: FREE DECALS

For those of you that use decals we have an on going FREE DECAL GIVE-A-WAY. Information is avaliable at our web site. Please use the link below to get there and look on the bottom of the page. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html To all reading this message, "HAVE A GREAT WEEK END". Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56090	From: Mike Vana	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Beer cars, and converting link coupler equipment to knuckle coupler

Where can you get the Robin Hood Beer reefer that is shown on Bull Gator's video? Is that a special run? That brewery was in Omaha, and long gone before my time, but I am somewhat interested in getting one. I already have O and HO versions of the car. Falstaff also had a brewery in Omaha, the last one in the city in fact, but I'm not crazy about that one. As for converting link coupler equipment to knuckle couplers, I was once all for doing that, and did convert a lot. But, link coupler cars have a more realistic spacing when coupled together than when they are converted. In the late 1960's, a lot of freight cars were built with cushion underframes, which spaced them a lot farther apart from cars to which they were coupled. Link coupler conversions are like this. It looks OK on freight cars, but not on passenger cars. Especially for heavyweights, it's hard to beat the realistic spacing between link coupler passenger cars when they are coupled together, and they seem to run well, too. As I became more of a collector, I converted almost all the original link coupler conversions back to link couplers, leaving a few conversion cars and cars that were not original. But if you want to get even more prototypical, and don't care about collector values, remove all the AF couplers and body mount Kadee couplers to everything. But then you will probably want to replace the trucks, too, and that gets messier because scale trucks usually don't mount the same way as AF ones. (I tried that!) If you get that far, though, you might as well buy S Helper and American Models equipment and just forget converting AF equipment. This is the point where I have come to. It depends on your situation whether you should convert link coupler equipment to knuckle couplers. For example, if you have just a few link coupler pieces and have mostly knuckle couplers you might as well convert them. If you are not going to mix equipment, you might as well leave it alone, or convert one end of a link coupler car to knuckle couplers in case you want to. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13250 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56091	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog

Doug, the SF diesel AA pair...what locomotive? Alco PA, like the previous set, or what? > >From: Doug Peck <doug@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:25:28 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 AF, Fall catalog > >  >I haven't seen anyone else post this yet, so here goes. > >The Lionel Fall, 2009, catalog will soon be released, and it includes 10 >AF items. > >Not yet visible on the Lionel website. > >MSRP prices are given here. > >Santa Fe A-A diesel pair ($370) > >Santa Fe Streamline car 3-pack ($250) > >Circus stock car ($70) > >1953 Catalog Cover Art boxcar ($70) > >USPS boxcar ($70) > >Sunoco tank car ($70) > >BNSF flat car with turbo-engine load ($70) > >UP hopper ($70) > >E-L caboose ($70) > >SP Cotton Belt caboose ($70) > >We will be accepting reservations for items, effective immediately, at >our usual discounted advance-order pricing. > >I do not yet know the "closing date" for orders. > >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supply >6 Storeybrooke Drive >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 >www.sgaugetrains. com ><file:///C:\Documents%20and% 20Settings\ Doug.PORTLINES\ Application% 20Data >\Microsoft\Signatur es\www.sgaugetra ins.com> >www.flyerparts. com ><file:///C:\Documents%20and% 20Settings\ Doug.PORTLINES\ Application% 20Data >\Microsoft\Signatur es\www.flyerpart s.com> >Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). >978-465-8798 >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) >VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56092	From: Ed	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer cars, and converting link coupler equipment to knuckle coup

Mike, Mine is a SHS car from several years ago. Ed From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Vana Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Beer cars, and converting link coupler equipment to knuckle coupler Where can you get the Robin Hood Beer reefer that is shown on Bull Gator's video? Is that a special run? That brewery was in Omaha, and long gone before my time, but I am somewhat interested in getting one. I already have O and HO versions of the car. Falstaff also had a brewery in Omaha, the last one in the city in fact, but I'm not crazy about that one. As for converting link coupler equipment to knuckle couplers, I was once all for doing that, and did convert a lot. But, link coupler cars have a more realistic spacing when coupled together than when they are converted. In the late 1960's, a lot of freight cars were built with cushion underframes, which spaced them a lot farther apart from cars to which they were coupled. Link coupler conversions are like this. It looks OK on freight cars, but not on passenger cars. Especially for heavyweights, it's hard to beat the realistic spacing between link coupler passenger cars when they are coupled together, and they seem to run well, too. As I became more of a collector, I converted almost all the original link coupler conversions back to link couplers, leaving a few conversion cars and cars that were not original. But if you want to get even more prototypical, and don't care about collector values, remove all the AF couplers and body mount Kadee couplers to everything. But then you will probably want to replace the trucks, too, and that gets messier because scale trucks usually don't mount the same way as AF ones. (I tried that!) If you get that far, though, you might as well buy S Helper and American Models equipment and just forget converting AF equipment. This is the point where I have come to. It depends on your situation whether you should convert link coupler equipment to knuckle couplers. For example, if you have just a few link coupler pieces and have mostly knuckle couplers you might as well convert them. If you are not going to mix equipment, you might as well leave it alone, or convert one end of a link coupler car to knuckle couplers in case you want to. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13250 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56093	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer cars, and converting link coupler equipment to knuckle coup

The Robin Hood Beer reefer is S-Helper 00485. This car has been sold out for some number of years. eBay is about the only place to find one and they show up rarely. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> wrote: > > Where can you get the Robin Hood Beer reefer > that is shown on Bull Gator's video? Is that a > special run? That brewery was in Omaha, and > long gone before my time, but I am somewhat > interested in getting one. I already have O and > HO versions of the car. Falstaff also had a > brewery in Omaha, the last one in the city in > fact, but I'm not crazy about that one. > > As for converting link coupler equipment to > knuckle couplers, I was once all for doing that, > and did convert a lot. But, link coupler cars have > a more realistic spacing when coupled together > than when they are converted. In the late 1960's, > a lot of freight cars were built with cushion > underframes, which spaced them a lot farther > apart from cars to which they were coupled. > Link coupler conversions are like this. It looks > OK on freight cars, but not on passenger cars. > Especially for heavyweights, it's hard to beat > the realistic spacing between link coupler > passenger cars when they are coupled > together, and they seem to run well, too. > > As I became more of a collector, I converted > almost all the original link coupler conversions > back to link couplers, leaving a few conversion > cars and cars that were not original. > > But if you want to get even more prototypical, > and don't care about collector values, remove > all the AF couplers and body mount Kadee > couplers to everything. But then you will probably > want to replace the trucks, too, and that gets > messier because scale trucks usually don't > mount the same way as AF ones. (I tried that!) > If you get that far, though, you might as well > buy S Helper and American Models equipment > and just forget converting AF equipment. > This is the point where I have come to. > > It depends on your situation whether you > should convert link coupler equipment to > knuckle couplers. For example, if you have > just a few link coupler pieces and have mostly > knuckle couplers you might as well convert > them. If you are not going to mix equipment, > you might as well leave it alone, or convert > one end of a link coupler car to knuckle > couplers in case you want to. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > Database version: 6.13250 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56094	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer cars,

> > > Where can you get the Robin Hood Beer reefer > that is shown on Bull Gator's video? Is that a > special run? > > Didn't Doug Peck (or somebody)have a special run on some beer reefers that were SHS made? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56095	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Beer Reefers

I only have five beer reefers. I think I need more! ;^) http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x90/bassflyer/Flyer%20Pics/IMG_2748-1.jpg -Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56096	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog

Alco PA........but I don't know if the paint scheme is the same or not. The actual catalog picture is not yet available to see. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Kiner Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 AF, Fall catalog Doug, the SF diesel AA pair...what locomotive? Alco PA, like the previous set, or what? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56097	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/13/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 13, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 58 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56098	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Reefers

Hi Rick, You can never have enough FULL beer reefers - lol! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > I only have five beer reefers. > I think I need more! ;^) > http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x90/bassflyer/Flyer%20Pics/IMG_2748-1.jpg > > -Rick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56099	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Robin Hood Beer

George LaBlanc of George's Trains in Staten Island asked us to re- run this scheme with new numbers. You can reach him at: LeBlanc Co. 28 Hamlin Pl Staten Island. NY 10302 718-727-6126 Don On Sep 12, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Mike Vana wrote: > Where can you get the Robin Hood Beer reefer > > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 4 > New Members > 8 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > easy 1-click access > to your groups. > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > in 3 easy steps. > Connect with others. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56101	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Bus Train Video

Hi All, I've posted a short video of my bus train on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OfEMaHjof8 I hope you enjoy it! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56102	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: link couolers: disturbingly S-centric

And what about the thicker sintered metal ones of AF's O gauge? AF 3/16s trains preceded 1946. And O gauge 3/16s engines, cars & track were made AFTER 1942. Off hand I can think of these variations: with & without a PA - prefixed part # (on one side) & pivot pins plated & blackened And, IF you happen to have Gargraves 4 rail track that'll accommopdate both gauges, they will interconnect. Bes, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56103	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Wienermobile Train Video Posted

Hi All, What goes with a nice cold beer from the beer train? A loaded hot dog from a wienermobile! I have posted a short video of my wienermobile train on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDSCszBUafk Now it's back to the college football games on TV. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56104	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 9/12/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog

The new Alco A-A PA set is the blue and yellow freight color scheme. There is also a 3 car streamline passenger set, silver with blue color band. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Doug Peck Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 2009 AF, Fall catalog Alco PA........but I don't know if the paint scheme is the same or not. The actual catalog picture is not yet available to see. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Kiner Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 AF, Fall catalog Doug, the SF diesel AA pair...what locomotive? Alco PA, like the previous set, or what? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56105	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Robin Hood Beer decals

Hi All, With all of the interest in the ROBIN HOOD BEER reefers it looks like we will be producing sets of ROBIN HOOD BEER DECALS in "S" scale in a few days for the modelers requiring them. Please email us for further info. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56106	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer artwork

Dear Dave, While you are preparing the artwork, do not make the mistake that many other scales have made, Robin Hood does not have a beard. I was very lucky and located a copy of the original artwork. Most companies had used a much smaller version printed in the "Burlington Route" historical society magazine's reefer issue (a must for anyone doing wooden reefer research). The original drawing showing the two Robin Hood logos and one had a smudge on his face. In the smaller drawing (about 1/8 the size of the original), the smudge looks like Robin Hood has a beard, but on the original you can clearly see it is just a smudge. At first, I thought the Robin Hood looked just like the Errol Flynn from the Movie. But a little more research and I discovered the movie was released 5 years after the reefer artwork. Don On Sep 13, 2009, at 6:18 AM, lbrenterprisesllc wrote: > Hi All, > ... we will be producing sets of ROBIN HOOD BEER DECALS in "S" scale. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56107	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: link couolers: disturbingly S-centric

Hi Art,                   3/16" "O" Gauge Used a thin shank die cast link coupler PA8968. The pin used was PA8967.   This coupler can be converted to knuckle coupler same as "S".                                            Tom Seccia                                         --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: From: Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> Subject: [S-Trains] link couolers: disturbingly S-centric To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:45 PM   And what about the thicker sintered metal ones of AF's O gauge? AF 3/16s trains preceded 1946. And O gauge 3/16s engines, cars & track were made AFTER 1942. Off hand I can think of these variations: with & without a PA - prefixed part # (on one side) & pivot pins plated & blackened And, IF you happen to have Gargraves 4 rail track that'll accommopdate both gauges, they will interconnect. Bes, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56108	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: ebay item #120467046707

Hello group' I have a question for the knowledgeable collectors on this list. On Sundays' ebay auctions is a "Rare Pathfinder set" # 120467046707 from 1959. Although this set is beyond my means it was interesting to look at. One thing that caught my attention was the driving wheels on the locomotive. They seem to be the standard spoked type wheels rather than the Box Pox type that were found on the earlier northern types of engines such as the 336's and 332's. Was this normal for this engine? Ernie Mennecke _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56109	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers

I don't think anyone answered Bob's question on what folks do with their LC cars. Some of us run them because they couple closer together than the KC cars, and especially LCs converted to KCs. And if you're CHEAP! like me, you set up one or two conversion cars so you can run 'em if ya got 'em. Sometimes you want to run KC's behind an LC engine, sometimes you want to run LCs behind a KC engine. Goes both ways. There is also the question of value, especially if you have some unusual rolling stock. Also, LC's tend to stick. The plastic shrinks a little, the steric (sp?) leaches out (that's the white stuff on top), so you have to warm them up, clean 'em off, and work them looserl. LCs are a bit more finicky than KCs, but they can function reliably. Have fun! S' David D. PS, LCs don't like a heavy load though, even ACG knew that and put springs on the LCs on the aluminum passenger cars to help keep them coupled. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56110	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Central Railway Museum

The Americn Flyer layout, 10x16, has just been completed. 3 loops with passing sidings and stub sidings. However, very few of the operating accessories are working yet. Regular open hours began saturday, the second saturday of the month from 9am to noon. Also, we are open almost every thursday and saturday from 9am to 3pm. Location is 108 Werner Street, Central, SC. Ya'll come see us! dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56111	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer artwork

Don,      Thank you for the heads up on this, I see what you mean. Dave --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Robin Hood Beer artwork To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:31 AM   Dear Dave, While you are preparing the artwork, do not make the mistake that many other scales have made, Robin Hood does not have a beard. I was very lucky and located a copy of the original artwork. Most companies had used a much smaller version printed in the "Burlington Route" historical society magazine's reefer issue (a must for anyone doing wooden reefer research). The original drawing showing the two Robin Hood logos and one had a smudge on his face. In the smaller drawing (about 1/8 the size of the original), the smudge looks like Robin Hood has a beard, but on the original you can clearly see it is just a smudge. At first, I thought the Robin Hood looked just like the Errol Flynn from the Movie. But a little more research and I discovered the movie was released 5 years after the reefer artwork. Don On Sep 13, 2009, at 6:18 AM, lbrenterprisesllc wrote: > Hi All, > ... we will be producing sets of ROBIN HOOD BEER DECALS in "S" scale. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56112	From: robertyablonski	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Club, Orange County

Are there any S-Guage clubs in Orange County Ca?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56113	From: len_hall	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Portland Oregon S Gauge

If there is one, where is the best place to shop in Portland for S gauge?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56114	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Software Package for Inventory Control?

Any recommendations for a software package to inventory motive power and rolling stock? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56115	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: #4657 Robin Hood Beer decals

Hi Again, Well we worked hard today and finished the ROBIN HOOD BEER DECALS. They are at the link below under the heading REFRIGERATOR CARS. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html Have a Good Week Ahead. Dave LBR Restorations. U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56116	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer artwork

and he notes - Ah but it does appear that Mr. Hood did have a beard and mustache, at least on the label used by Fontenelle Brewing Company, which I presume is the one used on the car. (see link below and click on the image) http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/robin-hood-beer-irtp-label-fontenelle-bc-omaha Also, I found a photo of one of their delivery trucks at: http://www.memories.ne.gov/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dwhm&CISOPTR=71&CISOBOX=1&REC=4 I like the name of the bar! There is a painting of Robin Hood at this page. Supposedly it is a bearded Errol Flynn sloshing a quaff of beer. Close examination of the beer sign would show a somewhat blonde beard but that may have been the artist's technique: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1937-robin-hood-beer-sign-metz-nebraska-errol If you look at the playing card on this page (again click to expand the image) you can see a trace of a beard as well as a mustache http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1930s-robin-hood-beer-playing-cards-omaha I have looked at the various models available for this car and some have beards and some don't. Plus, the bow and arrow position varies which would suggest that whoever prepared the artwork took liberties with the logo as in all probability, no photos of the original car were available. From what I have seen on the Internet, some car artwork has a beard and on some it is either a beard along the lower jaw or none at all. But a mustache does seem to appear on most of them. Interesting that there is a statue of Robin at Nottingham, England which seems to show a beard and mustache. The statue may have been the inspiration for the brewery art: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Robin_Hood_Memorial.jpg Incidentally, Douglas Fairbanks played a bearded Robin Hood in the 1922 United Artists film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fairbanks_Robin_Hood_standing_by_wall_w_sword.jpg In all I would presume that a Robin Hood with and without a beard is correct, depending on which source is used for the artwork and who knows, maybe some of the car logos had beards and some didn't. The brewery didn't last long. It was closed in 1917 when Prohibition was passed and restarted after repeal in 1933 and sold to Metz Brewing in 1938. Raleigh in Maine where it looks like raine... At 08:31 AM 9/13/2009, Don Thompson wrote: > > >Dear Dave, >While you are preparing the artwork, do not make the mistake that >many other scales have made, Robin Hood does not have a beard. I was >very lucky and located a copy of the original artwork. Most companies >had used a much smaller version printed in the "Burlington Route" >historical society magazine's reefer issue (a must for anyone doing >wooden reefer research). The original drawing showing the two Robin >Hood logos and one had a smudge on his face. In the smaller drawing >(about 1/8 the size of the original), the smudge looks like Robin Hood >has a beard, but on the original you can clearly see it is just a >smudge. At first, I thought the Robin Hood looked just like the Errol >Flynn from the Movie. But a little more research and I discovered the >movie was released 5 years after the reefer artwork. >Don > >On Sep 13, 2009, at 6:18 AM, lbrenterprisesllc wrote: > > > Hi All, > > ... we will be producing sets of ROBIN HOOD BEER DECALS in "S" scale. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56117	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers

One of the guys on here, Ben Stiles, uses little rubber bands to keep his LC cars together. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/13/2009 1:50:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djdewey@... writes: LCs are a bit more finicky than KCs, but they can function reliably. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56118	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: link couplers: disturbingly S-centric

COOOL--Thanks Shiffy Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/12/2009 9:40:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Goldens3@... writes: And, IF you happen to have Gargraves 4 rail track that'll accommodate both gauges, they will interconnect. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56119	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/13/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56120	From: Robert Boring	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge

The only shop in Portland that has S gauge that I'm aware of is the Whistle Stop at 117th and SE Division. They have precious little of it. Some Flyonel and a little bit of track. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: len_hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon S Gauge If there is one, where is the best place to shop in Portland for S gauge? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56121	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

I suggest you do your own with MS Access or the comparable product in open office software. Both are meant for users, not techies. If you do your own you can make it do what you want. Dave Paul4Schil@... wrote: > > > Any recommendations for a software package to inventory motive power and > rolling stock? > > Paul S. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56122	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

Paul,   What I use is not really a "Software Package" in the sense that I purchased it. I belong to the Yahoogroups CarCards group. Dave Husman, a member of the group, created an excellent MS Access database for creating carcard/waybills for op sessions. The database contains extra fields that permit the owner to include no-operations information like manufacturer, value, identifying features, even photos of the equipment. The only requirement is that you have MS Access on your computer system. You do not need to use the CC/WB portion if you don't want to but it is there if you do.   The program is extremely expensive though. It has NO cost except the time to download it.  Personally, I am thrifty (cheap) when it comes to my hobby dollars. It is also completely open if you know how to use MS Access. If not, it is menu-driven and is very easy to use.   If you know how to use a database program, there is also the Open Office program, another FREE download. It has an excellent database program that you could use to create your own Inventory program.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Paul4Schil@... <Paul4Schil@...> wrote: From: Paul4Schil@... <Paul4Schil@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? To: sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 2:01 PM Any recommendations for a software package to  inventory motive power and rolling stock?     Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56123	From: richs009	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

I guess this depends upon how sophisticated you want a data base to be. Filemaker and Bento (for a Mac) have a lot of capability, including linking pictures, etc. My needs are pretty plebian, so I set something up in Excel (for which I believe there is an open office equivalent) with various columns, like Model number (AF, Flyonel, SHS, etc.), category (loco, freight, passenger, MoW, etc.), type (box car, pullman, steam, diesel, etc.), description (amplifies on the 'type'), road name, and then some columns that are 'binary', like a 'yes' if it has smoke/choo-choo, action car, etc. I've populated these columns and have some others set up but haven't added much data yet, like condition, year acquired, estimated price, etc. The advantage of using something like Excel - as opposed to, say, a table in Word, is that one can easily sort the list by any parameter. So, for example, I have a master list that I keep sorted by model number and then set up additional tabs in the same Excel workbook for sorting by type or by road name or ... I have found that my list has saved me from bidding on a couple of items on eBay that I forgot that I already owned (aging short term memory -- or maybe its just the 'bright lights' of eBay...!). - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Paul, >   > What I use is not really a "Software Package" in the sense that I purchased it. I belong to the Yahoogroups CarCards group. Dave Husman, a member of the group, created an excellent MS Access database for creating carcard/waybills for op sessions. The database contains extra fields that permit the owner to include no-operations information like manufacturer, value, identifying features, even photos of the equipment. The only requirement is that you have MS Access on your computer system. You do not need to use the CC/WB portion if you don't want to but it is there if you do. >   > The program is extremely expensive though. It has NO cost except the time to download it.  Personally, I am thrifty (cheap) when it comes to my hobby dollars. It is also completely open if you know how to use MS Access. If not, it is menu-driven and is very easy to use. >   > If you know how to use a database program, there is also the Open Office program, another FREE download. It has an excellent database program that you could use to create your own Inventory program. >   > Regards, > Nick Kulp > > --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Paul4Schil@... <Paul4Schil@...> wrote: > > > From: Paul4Schil@... <Paul4Schil@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? > To: sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 2:01 PM > > > Any recommendations for a software package to  inventory motive power and > rolling stock? > >     Paul S. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56124	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

I did just that and if anyone is interested, I can post the .mdb Access file in the files section. With my collection entered, it takes up 128 megabytes, so I would need to strip the entries before posting. It was constructed using Access 97, which is good enough for me, but you can convert it to a later version of Access if that is what you are using. I entered most of my collection in the text, but the pictures are yet to come. For examples, I entered some catalog covers on the first entry in the picture files. It allows 4 photos of each item. If you want something different, you can use this as a starting point. Dale Smith Dave Winslow wrote: > > > I suggest you do your own with MS Access or the comparable > product in open office software. Both are meant for users, > not techies. If you do your own you can make it do what you > want. Dave > > Paul4Schil@... <mailto:Paul4Schil%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > Any recommendations for a software package to inventory motive power and > > rolling stock? > > > > Paul S. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56125	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke

I had a 283. with a DC can mtr. and a decoder with F0 working the headlight on and off. Found another 283 in better shape taking the decoder and the motor off the old one and adding to the newer 283. The new one has a smoke unit. Can I wire the smoke box directly to the two terminals on the back of the motor or should I splice them into the headlight wires. If i splice them into these wires I will only have smoke when the headlight is on.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56126	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

Dale, I would be interested in the .mdb file, Thanks Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? I did just that and if anyone is interested, I can post the .mdb Access file in the files section. With my collection entered, it takes up 128 megabytes, so I would need to strip the entries before posting. It was constructed using Access 97, which is good enough for me, but you can convert it to a later version of Access if that is what you are using. I entered most of my collection in the text, but the pictures are yet to come. For examples, I entered some catalog covers on the first entry in the picture files. It allows 4 photos of each item. If you want something different, you can use this as a starting point. Dale Smith Dave Winslow wrote: > > > I suggest you do your own with MS Access or the comparable > product in open office software. Both are meant for users, > not techies. If you do your own you can make it do what you > want. Dave > > Paul4Schil@... <mailto:Paul4Schil%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > Any recommendations for a software package to inventory motive power and > > rolling stock? > > > > Paul S. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56127	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: Re: ebay item #120467046707

Hi Ernest,                         The 21140 Northern has the same drivers as the 21130 Hudson. These were aluminum with black plastic centers and these came on the 21140. These are the correct wheels foir that locomotive.  XA14A925 Pull Mor Drive Wheels, XA14A598 Flangeless Wheels, there is another flangeless wheel part number that I can't find at this time and XA14A602.  The plastic centers are not the same style as the 336 or the 21139. The 21140 Northern Locomotive is highly collectible and worth quite a bit.  I looked at the set on ebay.  I believe that will go for a considerable bid.                                                        Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Ernest Mendecke <emennecke@...> wrote: From: Ernest Mendecke <emennecke@...> Subject: [S-Trains] ebay item #120467046707 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:38 AM   Hello group' I have a question for the knowledgeable collectors on this list. On Sundays' ebay auctions is a "Rare Pathfinder set" # 120467046707 from 1959. Although this set is beyond my means it was interesting to look at. One thing that caught my attention was the driving wheels on the locomotive. They seem to be the standard spoked type wheels rather than the Box Pox type that were found on the earlier northern types of engines such as the 336's and 332's. Was this normal for this engine? Ernie Mennecke ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt com/GBL/go/ 171222986/ direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56128	From: michael prell	Date: 9/13/2009
Subject: E-Bay Butcher

Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: Drive rods-14.99,CowCatcher-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still continues to bother me. I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts and profit. Sort of reminds me of the butcher who saw fit to destroy all of the Old Hudsons with no regard to their significance. Sorry my Friends, but I just had to vent. Ran outa lexapro this morning and it's just been oneofthemdays. KnowwhatImean Vern?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56129	From: beebear	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

I would like to get a copy of the .mbf file if available also John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? > Dale, > > I would be interested in the .mdb file, Thanks > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Smith > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? > > > I did just that and if anyone is interested, I can post the .mdb Access > file in the files section. With my collection entered, it takes up 128 > megabytes, so I would need to strip the entries before posting. It was > constructed using Access 97, which is good enough for me, but you can > convert it to a later version of Access if that is what you are using. > I entered most of my collection in the text, but the pictures are yet to > come. For examples, I entered some catalog covers on the first entry in > the picture files. It allows 4 photos of each item. If you want > something different, you can use this as a starting point. > > Dale Smith > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > > > I suggest you do your own with MS Access or the comparable > > product in open office software. Both are meant for users, > > not techies. If you do your own you can make it do what you > > want. Dave > > > > Paul4Schil@... <mailto:Paul4Schil%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Any recommendations for a software package to inventory motive power > and > > > rolling stock? > > > > > > Paul S. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56130	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge

There is few S gauge shops in Portland, and if ask I would say there is no best place. There is only a few places that it may go up for sale only after some one is selling off.  Clayton  Milwaukie OR. --- On Sun, 9/13/09, len_hall <len_hall@...> wrote: From: len_hall <len_hall@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon S Gauge To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 12:55 PM   If there is one, where is the best place to shop in Portland for S gauge? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56131	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

michael prell wrote: > > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the > past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's > American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there > was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim > E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a > perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: How do you know the individual dismantled a "perfectly good" K-335? Maybe there were missing pieces that in fact disabled it. > Drive rods-14.99,CowCatcher-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke > Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not > least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. What would a "perfectly good" engine be worth? $500 maybe, well over his starting bid total I would say. This means that his engine was not a good candidate for sale as it was, not running, poor condition, missing pieces, or he is a fool. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about > this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still > continues to bother me. Maybe you should check your assumptions. As much as we all like old American Flyer, we should respect everyone's individual needs, judgments, and life more. The guy has his reasons, we don't know what they are, or the condition of this engine if in fact he started by dismantling one. Maybe he was collecting parts in the hope of ending up with one and lost interest, needs the money, who knows. We don't! I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong > American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good > engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts > and profit. Whenever I read anyone going on about another man's profit, I wonder if he is not simply envious or resentful. Why make assumptions that bring you to such a state? Does it seem healthy to you? And what is wrong with profit? If we earn a living or supplement our living working for ourselves, is our profit less noble than working a job? I say, check your assumption and find some respect for the next guy's needs and values. Ok, now I have had my rant. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56132	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge

I would like to know the answer to that one too.... Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56133	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Well, he owns it and has every perfect right to do as he please with his item. It's all still there, just will cost you more to buy it. -----Original Message----- From: michael prell <mlprell@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:56 pm Subject: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: Drive rods-14.99,CowCatcher-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still continues to bother me. I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts and profit. Sort of reminds me of the butcher who saw fit to destroy all of the Old Hudsons with no regard to their significance. Sorry my Friends, but I just had to vent. Ran outa lexapro this morning and it's just been oneofthemdays. KnowwhatImean Vern? ? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56134	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke

No, no, no. The smoke unit will suck the guts out of the decoder. Wire the smoke unit separately to the input from the tender. In other words it's own separate set of wires from the tender trucks. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 09/13/2009 6:37:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wisner_mark@... writes: I had a 283. with a DC can mtr. and a decoder with F0 working the headlight on and off. Found another 283 in better shape taking the decoder and the motor off the old one and adding to the newer 283. The new one has a smoke unit. Can I wire the smoke box directly to the two terminals on the back of the motor or should I splice them into the headlight wires. If i splice them into these wires I will only have smoke when the headlight is on. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56135	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

Are you sure?  Having spent forty years in the database software industry, allow me to say I personally would FAR rather buy a product from a company that is committed to the ongoing maintenance and improvement of the product that build and/or maintain one myself.  I once built a database application to run my own business, but after a few years of spending far too much time on it, I bought a package from a software company and have never regretted the change. I use TrainMinder:  https://www.trainminder.com/store/ --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 5:32 PM   Dale, I would be interested in the .mdb file, Thanks Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? I did just that and if anyone is interested, I can post the .mdb Access file in the files section. With my collection entered, it takes up 128 megabytes, so I would need to strip the entries before posting. It was constructed using Access 97, which is good enough for me, but you can convert it to a later version of Access if that is what you are using. I entered most of my collection in the text, but the pictures are yet to come. For examples, I entered some catalog covers on the first entry in the picture files. It allows 4 photos of each item. If you want something different, you can use this as a starting point. Dale Smith Dave Winslow wrote: > > > I suggest you do your own with MS Access or the comparable > product in open office software. Both are meant for users, > not techies. If you do your own you can make it do what you > want. Dave > > Paul4Schil@aol. com <mailto:Paul4Schil% 40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > Any recommendations for a software package to inventory motive power and > > rolling stock? > > > > Paul S. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56136	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: York, PA

Linda and I where in York, PA, which is about 90 miles from our home in Germantown, MD. We where in York to see a baseball game, as York has a independent league team. Usually these are baseball players who where in the minors and mlb who are still trying to get back to MLB. Pete Rose, Jr, or PJ plays for York and is 40 years old. I am not sure what he will be doing at age 50! York is part of a league that has a team also in Lancaster PA, as they both have stadiums that make many minor parks look real bad, except for S Helper Field. But it was interesting to drive by the York Fair Ground and see a actual fair going on, as the grounds where full of rides. I am sure the Purple Hall was full of Sheep and things that Sheep leave behind. LOL This baseball league starts right around when York happens in April. York will be home that week. I highly recommend going to a game, if you have the time. Today, we continue exploring the York rail trail, as we have ridden down from York to Glen Rock. today, we rode from Glen Rock to 5 miles past the MD State line, as this rail line went to Baltimore. We saw lots of RR signals still on the rail line, as the track, not in use, is still intact in PA. In MD they pulled up the track. We stopped in New Freedom, where there is train station that is not a small museum. Mr. and Mrs. Neal who are 80 and 76 run the museum. We talked for about a hour about trains, as he worked for the C&O for 43 years. His first son was born the same day I was in 1955. They are really nice people as I have his email address. He has HO trains and was pleased to hear that I am a S guager, as they have O scale cars on display. And you know what he said. He does not like O gauge because it has 3 rail track.. LOL Not my saying, his. I am going to send him a CD of pictures of my layout plus pictures of our bike rides on other rail trails and the C&O Canal. I think I just started a new friendship. I hope you all had a nice weekend too. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56137	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Club, Orange County

Yes, the Southern California S-Gaugers, hosts of the 2010 S-Fest West, cover Orange County and other areas of Los Angeles.  jeffreykruger@... Also, the San Diego S-Gaugers is just an hour south of Orange County.       http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home --- On Sun, 9/13/09, robertyablonski <yabo1@...> wrote: From: robertyablonski <yabo1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Club, Orange County To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:14 AM   Are there any S-Guage clubs in Orange County Ca? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56138	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Hi Mike, I think this has been talked about before on the S list, but sadly we can not do anything about what is done to something that is owned by someone else. I don't like this either, but there is nothing we can do to stop this type of selling. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: Drive rods-14.99,CowCatcher-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still continues to bother me. I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts and profit. Sort of reminds me of the butcher who saw fit to destroy all of the Old Hudsons with no regard to their significance. Sorry my Friends, but I just had to vent. Ran outa lexapro this morning and it's just been oneofthemdays. KnowwhatImean Vern? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56139	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers

Hi David,                     I emailed someone about converting all link cars to knuckle couplers concerning the collectors value of the cars. Two cars that I would not convert would be the 625 Orange Shell Tank Car and the G. Fox Box Car.  Another that comes to mind is the 633 Refrigerator Car. These cars are of considerable value and should be put in the collectors box. If anyone wants to know other cars that should not be converted, please email me. If you want to operate link couplers with better operation try and find a bunch of PA11589 Coupler Springs. Gilbert used these on link passenger cars and the springs keep tension on the link couplers so that these stay in place.  Knuckle couplers are the best conversions, because you can run these cars with American Models and Showcase cars.                                                Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 9/13/09, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Link couplers, Knuckle couplers To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 1:33 PM   I don't think anyone answered Bob's question on what folks do with their LC cars. Some of us run them because they couple closer together than the KC cars, and especially LCs converted to KCs. And if you're CHEAP! like me, you set up one or two conversion cars so you can run 'em if ya got 'em. Sometimes you want to run KC's behind an LC engine, sometimes you want to run LCs behind a KC engine. Goes both ways. There is also the question of value, especially if you have some unusual rolling stock. Also, LC's tend to stick. The plastic shrinks a little, the steric (sp?) leaches out (that's the white stuff on top), so you have to warm them up, clean 'em off, and work them looserl. LCs are a bit more finicky than KCs, but they can function reliably. Have fun! S' David D. PS, LCs don't like a heavy load though, even ACG knew that and put springs on the LCs on the aluminum passenger cars to help keep them coupled. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56140	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Hi Mike,                I can see why you're upset.  It's one thing to scrap an Atlantic thats not worth fixing, but Northerns, K5's, Hudsons & Switchers are a different story.  We have plenty of people out there selling reproduction parts if you need a part or two to make a restoration. Nothing you can do if the owner wants to take that route.                                                      Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 9/13/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:56 PM   Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: Drive rods-14.99,CowCatch er-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still continues to bother me. I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts and profit. Sort of reminds me of the butcher who saw fit to destroy all of the Old Hudsons with no regard to their significance. Sorry my Friends, but I just had to vent. Ran outa lexapro this morning and it's just been oneofthemdays. KnowwhatImean Vern? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56141	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke

Hi Mark,                    See what type of smoke unit you have with this 283.  See if the smoke unit is wired side to side or straight down the middle.  You should be able to wire it.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 9/13/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Decoder- Head light/ Smoke To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:23 PM   I had a 283. with a DC can mtr. and a decoder with F0 working the headlight on and off. Found another 283 in better shape taking the decoder and the motor off the old one and adding to the newer 283. The new one has a smoke unit. Can I wire the smoke box directly to the two terminals on the back of the motor or should I splice them into the headlight wires. If i splice them into these wires I will only have smoke when the headlight is on. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56142	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke

Hi Mark, I always use a small relay for the smoke unit, as it draws too much current for most decoders function output. If the decoder is in the tender, I usually use F0 to turn the relay on and off, and run track voltage through the relay to run the light and smoke which are wired in parallel. The advantage of having the light and smoke in parallel is that you can tell that the smoke is on whenever the headlight is on, thus you will be less likely to leave the smoke on when the loco is stopped and burning the smoke unit out. Using track voltage gives great smoke! If you wire the smoke unit to the motor you'll only get good smoke at very high motor speeds, similar to the original AC setup. I use a small reed relay from Radio Shack. Bill At 08:23 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote: > > >I had a 283. with a DC can mtr. and a decoder with F0 working the >headlight on and off. Found another 283 in better shape taking the >decoder and the motor off the old one and adding to the newer 283. >The new one has a smoke unit. Can I wire the smoke box directly to >the two terminals on the back of the motor or should I splice them >into the headlight wires. If i splice them into these wires I will >only have smoke when the headlight is on. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56143	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: eBay butcher

Yeah, I have to agree, and I'm supposed to be "The Mad Butcher" too! Sometimes I make my own parts, and most of the time, my stuff is painted and decaled for a prototype railroad. But all my stuff comes from junk boxes because it's cheap and not collectable. Most of the folks I've dealt with over the years keep the collectable trains, restore them, and sell them for much more money than I can afford! To dismantle a complete and collectable loco to sell as parts reminds me of those weaslely, toothy little scum bags on Star Trek, the Ferrengie. They always said:"We only do it for profitttt." In a world where oil and pharmaceutical companies are allowed to run amok, setting an example for others, what are you going to do? These guys don't love old Flyer..."they're only in it for profittt..." Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56144	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Hey, if everything goes for the starting price, isn't that a good price for a K335???? Even at two times the starting price (~$350)??? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56145	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge

What was the question???? Rance (Tranby, Norway) Trains 4 U wrote: > > > I would like to know the answer to that one too.... > > Peter > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56146	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: LC Variations

Bob Graves wrote: TheGilbertGallery. org has pictures of each of the five generations of American Flyer couplers, including the variations within generations:              http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/couplers. html I do need to add the several different variations of Flyer knuckle couplers sold by Lionel in the past 20 years. Bob ###################################################################### You all forgot one improtant variation of the link coupler. The 1950 LC had an aluminum weight due to a metals shortage caused by the korean War. Wit the sideframe and the type of LC, you can date every original AF car from 1946 through 1952. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56147	From: portlines	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers

And we have reproductions of those LC springs, if you really want to use them. Unfortunately, in order to install them, you have to remove the coupler pin insert the spring, and then either re-install or replace the pin. I know a number of guys who use the tiny orthodontic rubber bands instead! Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi David, >                     I emailed someone about converting all link cars to knuckle couplers concerning the collectors value of the cars. Two cars that I would not convert would be the 625 Orange Shell Tank Car and the G. Fox Box Car.  Another that comes to mind is the 633 Refrigerator Car. These cars are of considerable value and should be put in the collectors box. If anyone wants to know other cars that should not be converted, please email me. If you want to operate link couplers with better operation try and find a bunch of PA11589 Coupler Springs. Gilbert used these on link passenger cars and the springs keep tension on the link couplers so that these stay in place.  Knuckle couplers are the best conversions, because you can run these cars with American Models and Showcase cars. >                                                Tom Seccia > > --- On Sun, 9/13/09, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > > From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Link couplers, Knuckle couplers > To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 1:33 PM > > > > > > >   > > > > > > I don't think anyone answered Bob's question on what folks do with their LC cars. Some of us run them because they couple closer together than the KC cars, and especially LCs converted to KCs. And if you're CHEAP! like me, you set up one or two conversion cars so you can run 'em if ya got 'em. Sometimes you want to run KC's behind an LC engine, sometimes you want to run LCs behind a KC engine. Goes both ways. > > There is also the question of value, especially if you have some unusual rolling stock. > > Also, LC's tend to stick. The plastic shrinks a little, the steric (sp?) leaches out (that's the white stuff on top), so you have to warm them up, clean 'em off, and work them looserl. LCs are a bit more finicky than KCs, but they can function reliably. > > Have fun! > > S' > > David D. > > PS, LCs don't like a heavy load though, even ACG knew that and put springs on the LCs on the aluminum passenger cars to help keep them coupled. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56148	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog

Legacy, TMCC, or conventional? > > The new Alco A-A PA set is the blue and yellow freight color scheme. > There is also a 3 car streamline passenger set, silver with blue color band.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56149	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog

Conventional ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 2009 AF, Fall catalog Legacy, TMCC, or conventional? > > The new Alco A-A PA set is the blue and yellow freight color scheme. > There is also a 3 car streamline passenger set, silver with blue color band. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56150	From: lbdrummer3	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Rolling stock craftsman kit plans

Does anyone have a source for S gauge craftsman kit plans for rolling stock? I picked up some neat tank car kits but they don't have any plans with them. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56151	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke

Hi Bill, Could you provide a Radio Shack part number please? Jack In a message dated 9/14/2009 7:57:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billclark42@... writes: Hi Mark, I always use a small relay for the smoke unit, as it draws too much current for most decoders function output. If the decoder is in the tender, I usually use F0 to turn the relay on and off, and run track voltage through the relay to run the light and smoke which are wired in parallel. The advantage of having the light and smoke in parallel is that you can tell that the smoke is on whenever the headlight is on, thus you will be less likely to leave the smoke on when the loco is stopped and burning the smoke unit out. Using track voltage gives great smoke! If you wire the smoke unit to the motor you'll only get good smoke at very high motor speeds, similar to the original AC setup. I use a small reed relay from Radio Shack. Bill At 08:23 PM 9/13/2009, you wrote: > > >I had a 283. with a DC can mtr. and a decoder with F0 working the >headlight on and off. Found another 283 in better shape taking the >decoder and the motor off the old one and adding to the newer 283. >The new one has a smoke unit. Can I wire the smoke box directly to >the two terminals on the back of the motor or should I splice them >into the headlight wires. If i splice them into these wires I will >only have smoke when the headlight is on. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56152	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

Hi Robert,   ===== Are you sure?  Having spent forty years in the database software industry, allow me to say I personally would FAR rather buy a product from a company that is committed to the ongoing maintenance and improvement of the product that build and/or maintain one myself.  I once built a database application to run my own business, but after a few years of spending far too much time on it, I bought a package from a software company and have never regretted the change. =====   I respect your experience, since I too spent 30 years in Network Administration while creating custom software for US Navy applications. The database I recommended by Dave Husman, has all of the features you describe and the maintenance, plus upgrades. Although it is a "personal" program, Dave's generosity to share and improve the program actually has a higher commitment than some commercial software. A lot of the group members use the program and Dave is quick to post upgrades.   I made the mistake of buying a commercial package for the same reasons you mentioned. Unfortunately, like many hobby manufacturers, the program was "not their day job". After spending over $100.00 for the program, I discovered that the hard-coding inadequately created small entry fields fo some necessary fields. When I contacted the "company", I was abruptly told that he was too busy with his "real" job to make small modifications. I would have to "wait" for the "next upgrade". After I waited for over 6 months, I contacted them again and requested a refund as his program did not perform as advertised. I was told that it was beyond the 30-day refund limit and basically I was told to suck rocks. Oh yeah, the program is still available and it is still waiting for the upgrade, 7 years later. The price went up as well.   Commercial software is great if the company's income depends on it to survive. Unfortunately, there are not many companies that depend solely on model railroaders to put food on the table.   The program works well, it is FREE, and if it does not meet your needs, the only thing you lose is the short time it takes to download and try. On the other hand, spend $100.00, fight with the programmer, and end up with a program you can't use. I choose FREE first.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56153	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Tom: The terminals on the top of the smoke unit are offset. They are not across from each other.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56154	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Software Package for Inventory Control?

For those of you who are interested, I uploaded two versions of the database to the files section of the group. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Dale%27s%20Database/ The folder is called "Dale's database." One version is completely empty and the other has one sample entry. The difference in sizes is about 500k, most of which is occupied by the embedded 15k photo, which seems to have bloated in the database. I know there are add ons to make Access handle photos more efficiently, but I also understand there is a 2GB max file size, so bear that in mind if you have or plan a really big collection. This database doesn't have the stock photos of some of the commercial databases, but I designed it to to track my modest collection, most of which were obtained in less than mint condition, some even junkers, and I wanted to keep track of some before and after photos. Whether this will work for me is still up in the air considering the bloating problem. As to my experience in databases, before I retired I was on a national committee that worked with in house developers on the design of case control software for the general counsel of a large government agency. We didn't do the coding, but we did determine the data that needed to be tracked and how the user interface should work. It was an SQL database using a Delphi designed front end. One thing I did learn though is that it pays to keep the data tracked to the essentials. The more data you track, the more you have to input, which can make it a real chore. This is why I tried to keep the data in this database to a minimum with a remarks field that could be filled in as needed for the instances where I wanted to track additional information. If any of you try this in more up to date versions of access than my Access 97, please let me know if the bloating problem is improved. Dale Smith beebear wrote: > > > I would like to get a copy of the .mbf file if available also > > John Frankforther > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@... > <mailto:jhannawald%40comcast.net>> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? > > > Dale, > > > > I would be interested in the .mdb file, Thanks > > > > Jim > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dale Smith > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Software Package for Inventory Control? > > > > > > I did just that and if anyone is interested, I can post the .mdb Access > > file in the files section. With my collection entered, it takes up 128 > > megabytes, so I would need to strip the entries before posting. It was > > constructed using Access 97, which is good enough for me, but you can > > convert it to a later version of Access if that is what you are using. > > I entered most of my collection in the text, but the pictures are yet to > > come. For examples, I entered some catalog covers on the first entry in > > the picture files. It allows 4 photos of each item. If you want > > something different, you can use this as a starting point. > > > > Dale Smith > > > > Dave Winslow wrote: > > > > > > > > > I suggest you do your own with MS Access or the comparable > > > product in open office software. Both are meant for users, > > > not techies. If you do your own you can make it do what you > > > want. Dave > > > > > > Paul4Schil@... <mailto:Paul4Schil%40aol.com> > <mailto:Paul4Schil%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Any recommendations for a software package to inventory motive > power > > and > > > > rolling stock? > > > > > > > > Paul S. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo>! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56155	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge

If there is one, where is the best place to shop in Portland for S gauge? --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon S Gauge To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:37 AM   What was the question???? Rance (Tranby, Norway) Trains 4 U wrote: > > > I would like to know the answer to that one too.... > > Peter > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56156	From: Tim Benner	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: S Gauge on You Tube

Bob, Thanks for those! They are great videos. Truly motivating. As soon as I finish up the new deck, patio, raingutters and paint the back of the house, I can playwith my trains again. In the meantime the videos will do it! Tim Benner On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:46 PM, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote: > > > S Friends, My son has loaded some more S gauge video's on You Tube under > the name of CarTrain1. Must give them time to load & then hit replay.See at > http://www.youtube.com/user/CarTrain1 > Enjoy. > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56157	From: michael prell	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Rance, It's like this. Over the years, through the actions of folks like my Dad and a few other close personal friends and family, I've been able to acquire a number of engines, rolling stock and accessories that I've come to Cherish. If ever I were in need of having to sell these treasures, I would no more think of dismantling any of them in the manner which some would choose to do. I couldn't do it. My whole point to my primary rant was simply to voice my personal concern about this practice. Nothing more and nothing less. I don't need lectures regarding profit, needs or respect. Why not give someone the chance to bid on the complete or as near to complete item! Why not give the interested bidder or bidders the opportunity to potentially enjoy owning something that would be of value to them and that would be shown the respect due. I know that this might be a difficult concept for some to understand or accept, but there are some Fans of Flyer that do get it. Again, if this pov saves one item from what I refer to as butchery, then great. It's just something to think about. OK?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:36 AM   Hey, if everything goes for the starting price, isn't that a good price for a K335???? Even at two times the starting price (~$350)??? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56158	From: michael prell	Date: 9/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Dave, You've got your opinion and I've got mine. If what I wrote influences anyone with a similar treasuer not to go the same route that this person chose, then I'll be content with that.I'll have no way of knowing, but I can hope.  Personally, I don't give a hoot about the individual's financial situation.It has nothing to do with respect, My chief consern is with the potential destruction of one of these classic engines when, perhaps a more beneficially constructive choice could be made. Like maybe, selling the whole thing as a single, assembled unit, rather than in bits and pieces. As I said at the start, the practice bothers me.  Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:10 AM   michael prell wrote: > > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the > past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's > American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there > was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim > E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a > perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: How do you know the individual dismantled a "perfectly good" K-335? Maybe there were missing pieces that in fact disabled it. > Drive rods-14.99,CowCatch er-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke > Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not > least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. What would a "perfectly good" engine be worth? $500 maybe, well over his starting bid total I would say. This means that his engine was not a good candidate for sale as it was, not running, poor condition, missing pieces, or he is a fool. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about > this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still > continues to bother me. Maybe you should check your assumptions. As much as we all like old American Flyer, we should respect everyone's individual needs, judgments, and life more. The guy has his reasons, we don't know what they are, or the condition of this engine if in fact he started by dismantling one. Maybe he was collecting parts in the hope of ending up with one and lost interest, needs the money, who knows. We don't! I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong > American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good > engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts > and profit. Whenever I read anyone going on about another man's profit, I wonder if he is not simply envious or resentful. Why make assumptions that bring you to such a state? Does it seem healthy to you? And what is wrong with profit? If we earn a living or supplement our living working for ourselves, is our profit less noble than working a job? I say, check your assumption and find some respect for the next guy's needs and values. Ok, now I have had my rant. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56159	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge

Len, I used to have to go to Oregon City (about 10 miles south of Portland) to get S gauge. Decent Flyer is pretty much dried up in Portland, unless you're looking for a 630 Caboose or a 631 T&P Gondola. In other words, nothing you couldn't get anywhere else. The two Oregon City shops are within walking distance of each other. One is "Coin Corner and Hobbies" and the other is "Quality Farm Toys and Hobbies". "Quality Farm" is probably your best bet now, though no guarantees. Back in the 80's "Coin Corner" had a pretty nice representation of post war Flyer. I bought my 332 there for $125 and a bunch of other stuff. The phone number I have for Coin Corner is 503-656-1835. Quality Farm's phone number is 503-650-8023. Hope this helps somewhat. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: len_hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon S Gauge If there is one, where is the best place to shop in Portland for S gauge? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56160	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Pile driver

I am looking for an "S" gauge pile driver kit or completed unit. Any one out there seen one or know of one ??? Jerry HR77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYbMaRYKMznjjSOmhPUvMYzbTrsRJ0XVybFHZj03PDsKd7TahmI/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56161	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon S Gauge

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56162	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Mike, I'm with you. I'm the first one to back profits, but one has to worry about profiteers that have no concept (or care) concerning the rarity of a particular piece. It's the same mentality that auto chop-shops have when they destroy perfectly good classics by parting them out for profit. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher Dave, You've got your opinion and I've got mine. If what I wrote influences anyone with a similar treasuer not to go the same route that this person chose, then I'll be content with that.I'll have no way of knowing, but I can hope. Personally, I don't give a hoot about the individual's financial situation.It has nothing to do with respect, My chief consern is with the potential destruction of one of these classic engines when, perhaps a more beneficially constructive choice could be made. Like maybe, selling the whole thing as a single, assembled unit, rather than in bits and pieces. As I said at the start, the practice bothers me. Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:10 AM michael prell wrote: > > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the > past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's > American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there > was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim > E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a > perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: How do you know the individual dismantled a "perfectly good" K-335? Maybe there were missing pieces that in fact disabled it. > Drive rods-14.99,CowCatch er-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke > Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not > least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. What would a "perfectly good" engine be worth? $500 maybe, well over his starting bid total I would say. This means that his engine was not a good candidate for sale as it was, not running, poor condition, missing pieces, or he is a fool. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about > this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still > continues to bother me. Maybe you should check your assumptions. As much as we all like old American Flyer, we should respect everyone's individual needs, judgments, and life more. The guy has his reasons, we don't know what they are, or the condition of this engine if in fact he started by dismantling one. Maybe he was collecting parts in the hope of ending up with one and lost interest, needs the money, who knows. We don't! I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong > American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good > engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts > and profit. Whenever I read anyone going on about another man's profit, I wonder if he is not simply envious or resentful. Why make assumptions that bring you to such a state? Does it seem healthy to you? And what is wrong with profit? If we earn a living or supplement our living working for ourselves, is our profit less noble than working a job? I say, check your assumption and find some respect for the next guy's needs and values. Ok, now I have had my rant. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56163	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke

Hi Mark,                        The smoke unit you have XA13B894. This smoke unit was used from 1954 to 1966. There may be some 1954 productions which still used the XA10513 Smoke Unit. I have wiring diagram for a 21085, which is a 5 digit version of a 283.  I have to make copies of the 302 & 283 exploded views which I sending you. I'll make copies of the 21085 and a few other wiring diagrams for this unit and put these in the mail.  Your parts were sent Priority Mail.                                        Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/14/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Decoder- Head light/ Smoke To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 7:13 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Tom: The terminals on the top of the smoke unit are offset. They are not across from each other. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56164	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

A few years ago, I bought a large box of locos and tenders on ebay. They were mostly basket cases but I got them for any needed parts I might find. Today I was looking for a tender for a K-5 and what do you suppose I found when I removed the tender from a beat up 312? I noticed that someone had replaced the original motor with a "Super Motor" as used in the 336 etc. I cleaned it up, resurfaced it and having no need for it, I'm going to sell it and the 312 loco without a motor and boiler front and trailing truck on ebay. Not as one item but the motor assembly (armature, field magnet, brush holder cap, and mounting screws as one auction and the loco as another. Please don't bad mouth me......I'm one of the good guys. Anybody need any of the above, speak up before I list it. I am going to list it on Wednesday. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 09/14/2009 7:32:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Dave, You've got your opinion and I've got mine. If what I wrote influences anyone with a similar treasuer not to go the same route that this person chose, then I'll be content with that.I'll have no way of knowing, but I can hope. Personally, I don't give a hoot about the individual's financial situation.It has nothing to do with respect, My chief consern is with the potential destruction of one of these classic engines when, perhaps a more beneficially constructive <WBR>choice could be made. Like maybe, selling the whole thing as a single, assembled unit, rather than in bits and pieces. As I said at the start, the practice bothers Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Dave Winslow <_davidwin@..._ (mailto:davidwin@...) > wrote: From: Dave Winslow <_davidwin@..._ (mailto:davidwin@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:10 AM michael prell wrote: > > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the > past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's > American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there > was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim > E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a > perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: How do you know the individual dismantled a "perfectly good" K-335? Maybe there were missing pieces that in fact disabled it. > Drive rods-14.99,CowCatch er-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke > Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not > least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. What would a "perfectly good" engine be worth? $500 maybe, well over his starting bid total I would say. This means that his engine was not a good candidate for sale as it was, not running, poor condition, missing pieces, or he is a fool. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about > this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still > continues to bother me. Maybe you should check your assumptions. As much as we all like old American Flyer, we should respect everyone's individual needs, judgments, and life more. The guy has his reasons, we don't know what they are, or the condition of this engine if in fact he started by dismantling one. Maybe he was collecting parts in the hope of ending up with one and lost interest, needs the money, who knows. We don't! I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong > American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good > engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts > and profit. Whenever I read anyone going on about another man's profit, I wonder if he is not simply envious or resentful. Why make assumptions that bring you to such a state? Does it seem healthy to you? And what is wrong with profit? If we earn a living or supplement our living working for ourselves, is our profit less noble than working a job? I say, check your assumption and find some respect for the next guy's needs and values. Ok, now I have had my rant. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56165	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: HOLD for ADVICE - Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher

Interesting, as I started an almost identical thread on the Model T group site, as there are folks (one in particular, in this case) taking apart running model Ts and As and selling the parts. The response there is about the same as here. As much as one might hate the concequences, the parts do go to other projects and put other cars on the road (and I'm guilty of buying one of the back seats for my car, so I can't pleade abstinence!), and the seller is the legal owner of the stuff. But for those of us who bring stuff back from the near-dead or even already-dead, it sure hurts to see good stuff parted out! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56166	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher

mrstumpy50 wrote: > Most of the folks I've dealt with over the years > keep the collectable trains, restore them, and > sell them for much more money than I can afford! > To dismantle a complete and collectable loco to > sell as parts reminds me of those weaslely, > toothy little scum bags on Star Trek, the > Ferrengie. > They always said:"We only do it for profitttt." Which is for you, an evil motive. I however see profit as the way business people earn their living, just as employees earn theirs by serving some aspect of the business man's total plan. And some people earn theirs, or supplement it, by selling parts on Ebay. More power to anyone who gets it done by making voluntary deals with others. > In a world where oil and pharmaceutical > companies are allowed to run amok, setting an > example for others, what are you going to do? So, its not only the little guy's profit you resent, but the big guys as well. The oil companies satisfy one of our greatest needs, keep the country going, but you begrudge the owners their 6% profit. It doesn't seem very smart to me, or generous, or tolerant. Consider what a complex matrix is required out there for you to have gas pouring out of that nozzle or medication as close as the local drug store? It is amazing that such order comes from what we might guess would be chaotic. The free market, which is really just to say, free people working together to put bread on their tables, is a wondrous sight to behold. > These guys don't love old Flyer..."they're only in it for > profittt..." > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia. We are all in everything to come out ahead of the game one way or another. Maybe it is money with which to feed the family, and maybe it is more emotional profit as when we help others. And what is the alternative except loss? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56167	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: MOre on the 310 locomotive disassembly and cleaning and a few questi

I went ahead and started pulling the 310 apart. This has gone well with no odd moments - a wonderfully well built little engine. Anyways on to the questions: 1. I assume that to complete the removal of the e-unit and motor, I need to unsolder the connections to the headlight shell and center contact. 2. The 'cow catcher' (sorry, for this archaic term) dangles because it is held in place by two pieces of bent wire 'trim'. It doesn't seem like the wire can be worked out of the holes in the castings but I don't want to bend the wire ends to extract them. Any other ways to wiggle the wires out of the way? I may just leave it dangle. 3. The brushes are about 3/16" long and seem to be in good shape. Should I replace them anyways? That does it for now. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56168	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher posts

What we have is a question of ethics. In my opinion, ethics are in as short supply today as common sense. There is no point in arguing this further because there will always be different opinions anyway. By the way, the Star Trek "Ferrengie" characters were originally created by Gene Roddenberry because of his observation of what was evolving in America in the 1980s. The Ferrengie were a culture driven by unrestrained greed to the point that it was honorable to cut one another's throat in business. They had done it for so many generations that they knew no other way. Perhaps Roddenberry saw the future of our society with a clearer vision than most. My distrust of gigantic corporations is because I used to work for Standard Oil and know better. But you believe anything you want to. As it is, this disagreement about parting out good stuff has dragged on long enough, and it is starting to get nasty. If there is one thing that we don't need in S gauge, it is more fragmentation! I'm going to go play with my trains... Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56169	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive

Are there any explanations (with drawings preferably) available that will show me how to disassemble my 'new' 310 locomotive? I am gearing up to fix the 'loose' tires, replace the broken drawbar and do a general cleaning and relube. Figured any hints would be most welcome. Bob Groh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56170	From: michael prell	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Pile driver

Have you considered constructing one from Erector Set parts?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 9/15/09, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Pile driver To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 11:38 AM   I am looking for an "S" gauge pile driver kit or completed unit. Any one out there seen one or know of one ??? Jerry HR77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/BLSrjpTFoYbMa RYKMznjjSOmhPUvM YzbTrsRJ0XVybFHZ j03PDsKd7TahmI/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56171	From: michael prell	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

If you have the courage of your convictions then go forth and profit. What you describe in no way compairs to my initial complaint. I hope you do well.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 9/14/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:36 PM   A few years ago, I bought a large box of locos and tenders on ebay. They were mostly basket cases but I got them for any needed parts I might find. Today I was looking for a tender for a K-5 and what do you suppose I found when I removed the tender from a beat up 312? I noticed that someone had replaced the original motor with a "Super Motor" as used in the 336 etc. I cleaned it up, resurfaced it and having no need for it, I'm going to sell it and the 312 loco without a motor and boiler front and trailing truck on ebay. Not as one item but the motor assembly (armature, field magnet, brush holder cap, and mounting screws as one auction and the loco as another. Please don't bad mouth me......I'm one of the good guys. Anybody need any of the above, speak up before I list it. I am going to list it on Wednesday. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 09/14/2009 7:32:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlprell@yahoo. com writes: Dave, You've got your opinion and I've got mine. If what I wrote influences anyone with a similar treasuer not to go the same route that this person chose, then I'll be content with that.I'll have no way of knowing, but I can hope. Personally, I don't give a hoot about the individual's financial situation.It has nothing to do with respect, My chief consern is with the potential destruction of one of these classic engines when, perhaps a more beneficially constructive <WBR>choice could be made. Like maybe, selling the whole thing as a single, assembled unit, rather than in bits and pieces. As I said at the start, the practice bothers Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Dave Winslow <_davidwin@TDS. dav_ (mailto:davidwin@TDS. net) > wrote: From: Dave Winslow <_davidwin@TDS. dav_ (mailto:davidwin@TDS. net) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay Butcher To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:10 AM michael prell wrote: > > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the > past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's > American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there > was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim > E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a > perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: How do you know the individual dismantled a "perfectly good" K-335? Maybe there were missing pieces that in fact disabled it. > Drive rods-14.99,CowCatch er-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke > Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not > least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. What would a "perfectly good" engine be worth? $500 maybe, well over his starting bid total I would say. This means that his engine was not a good candidate for sale as it was, not running, poor condition, missing pieces, or he is a fool. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about > this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still > continues to bother me. Maybe you should check your assumptions. As much as we all like old American Flyer, we should respect everyone's individual needs, judgments, and life more. The guy has his reasons, we don't know what they are, or the condition of this engine if in fact he started by dismantling one. Maybe he was collecting parts in the hope of ending up with one and lost interest, needs the money, who knows. We don't! I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong > American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good > engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts > and profit. Whenever I read anyone going on about another man's profit, I wonder if he is not simply envious or resentful. Why make assumptions that bring you to such a state? Does it seem healthy to you? And what is wrong with profit? If we earn a living or supplement our living working for ourselves, is our profit less noble than working a job? I say, check your assumption and find some respect for the next guy's needs and values. Ok, now I have had my rant. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56172	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher

Dave,   ===== <snip> Which is for you, an evil motive. I however see profit as the way business people earn their living, just as employees earn theirs by serving some aspect of the business man's total plan. And some people earn theirs, or supplement it, by selling parts on Ebay. More power to anyone who gets it done by making voluntary deals with others. ===== In a few years, fewer than I care to think about, there will no longer be a lot of "new", mint, American Flyer equipment. 60+ years is a LOOOOOONG time for toys to last and fortunately, American Flyer trains were made in the era where quality, not profitability, was the most important factor in a business. In today's "I've got to make all of the money I can, no matter who I screw " business world, Companies no longer are concerned about whether consumers give repeat business, only about making something cheap and exporting the work to some third world country to increase their profit margin. People that start businesses today, rarely worry about hiring local people to improve communities, help honest people afford a home, provide a decent place to raise families.   I am not trying to make any political statement for anything. I have seen the dismantling of American infrastructure and manufacturing. Soon, VERY soon, we will become another 3rd world country controlled by the "money lenders". We can no longer protect ourselves as one of the world leaders in manufacturing. We no longer MAKE anything. We have shipped that part of our economic base overseas. If we no longer MAKE anything, we no longer have anything to SELL. Trust me, the kid with the most marbles, usually wins the game by attrition.   ===== So, its not only the little guy's profit you resent, but the big guys as well. The oil companies satisfy one of our greatest needs, keep the country going, but you begrudge the owners their 6% profit. It doesn't seem very smart to me, or generous, or tolerant. =====   Some things in this world need to be preserved and handed down to the next generation simply to show what we USED to be capable of. Sometimes value transcends MONEY. If your father won the Medal of Honor, would you melt it down just for the percious metals it was made of ? If not, why not? It would be worth more MONEY than in it's current state.   ===== > These guys don't love old Flyer..."they're only in it for the profitttt > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia. We are all in everything to come out ahead of the game one way or another. Maybe it is money with which to feed the family, and maybe it is more emotional profit as when we help others. And what is the alternative except loss? =====   The alternative is preservation of a Heritage, not loss. Reminders to our youth that money isn't everything, sometimes it is quality. Teaching a kid that "profit" is the only thing is why this country is in the shape it is now. Yes, I am naive, idealistic, unreasonable. I just hate to see things destroyed simply in the name of PROFIT. Some things have more value when they are left for others to see in their original form.   There will always be people that steal, destroy, and deface things. Those of us that appreciate originality and the creator's work for itself, rather than it's parts will always be appalled by their insensitivity and inane concern for history and preservation.   Apologies to the group for this off-topic response. Everyone has CHOICE. Some choose destruction, others choose preservation.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56173	From: rep928	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: 293 White Stripe

I am restoring a 293 I picked up last weekend. Any advice on how to repaint the white stripe running along the side? - Thanks - Roy P. (BTW - been a member of this group for years, can't remember the last time I posted!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56174	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher

Reasonable people don't begrudge the mega-businesses a reasonable profit. We're just sick of the greed and unethical behavior leading to unreasonable profits, outrageous CEO salaries, and seniors choosing between eating and buying their meds. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Winslow" <davidwin@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:25:35 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:eBay butcher mrstumpy50 wrote: > Most of the folks I've dealt with over the years > keep the collectable trains, restore them, and > sell them for much more money than I can afford! > To dismantle a complete and collectable loco to > sell as parts reminds me of those weaslely, > toothy little scum bags on Star Trek, the > Ferrengie. > They always said:"We only do it for profitttt." Which is for you, an evil motive. I however see profit as the way business people earn their living, just as employees earn theirs by serving some aspect of the business man's total plan. And some people earn theirs, or supplement it, by selling parts on Ebay. More power to anyone who gets it done by making voluntary deals with others. > In a world where oil and pharmaceutical > companies are allowed to run amok, setting an > example for others, what are you going to do? So, its not only the little guy's profit you resent, but the big guys as well. The oil companies satisfy one of our greatest needs, keep the country going, but you begrudge the owners their 6% profit. It doesn't seem very smart to me, or generous, or tolerant. Consider what a complex matrix is required out there for you to have gas pouring out of that nozzle or medication as close as the local drug store? It is amazing that such order comes from what we might guess would be chaotic. The free market, which is really just to say, free people working together to put bread on their tables, is a wondrous sight to behold. > These guys don't love old Flyer..."they're only in it for > profittt..." > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia. We are all in everything to come out ahead of the game one way or another. Maybe it is money with which to feed the family, and maybe it is more emotional profit as when we help others. And what is the alternative except loss? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56175	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe

Go to a craft store and get a small paint roller.... like for walls but about 1/2" wide..... keep the paint light by rolling it on paper.... then carefully roll it along..... Bob --- On Tue, 9/15/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 White Stripe To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:28 PM   I am restoring a 293 I picked up last weekend. Any advice on how to repaint the white stripe running along the side? - Thanks - Roy P. (BTW - been a member of this group for years, can't remember the last time I posted!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56176	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive

Hi Bob,                      I made a exploded view for a 310, 312 Smoke in Tender and a 561.  This is in my Parts & Service book on page 59.  Gilbert did not have exploded views until 1950.  The 310 was made in 1946 & 1947.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/15/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:49 PM   Are there any explanations (with drawings preferably) available that will show me how to disassemble my 'new' 310 locomotive? I am gearing up to fix the 'loose' tires, replace the broken drawbar and do a general cleaning and relube. Figured any hints would be most welcome. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56177	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe

Hi Roy,                 See if you can find a Brayer.  This looks like a paint roller, but it's smooth.  Printers use these to spread ink.  A company that makes these is Hunt Manufacturing Co. Statesville. N.C.  Get a piece of glass spread some white ink thin and you should be able to duplicate the original lines.                                             Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/15/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 White Stripe To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:28 PM   I am restoring a 293 I picked up last weekend. Any advice on how to repaint the white stripe running along the side? - Thanks - Roy P. (BTW - been a member of this group for years, can't remember the last time I posted!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56178	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: eBay butcher posts

Right On Stumpy                Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/15/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: eBay butcher posts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 3:59 PM   What we have is a question of ethics. In my opinion, ethics are in as short supply today as common sense. There is no point in arguing this further because there will always be different opinions anyway. By the way, the Star Trek "Ferrengie" characters were originally created by Gene Roddenberry because of his observation of what was evolving in America in the 1980s. The Ferrengie were a culture driven by unrestrained greed to the point that it was honorable to cut one another's throat in business. They had done it for so many generations that they knew no other way. Perhaps Roddenberry saw the future of our society with a clearer vision than most. My distrust of gigantic corporations is because I used to work for Standard Oil and know better. But you believe anything you want to. As it is, this disagreement about parting out good stuff has dragged on long enough, and it is starting to get nasty. If there is one thing that we don't need in S gauge, it is more fragmentation! I'm going to go play with my trains... Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56179	From: portlines	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe

We use a TESTORS white paint marker. It is like a wide felt-tip, except with white paint in it. They are only $4.00. You'll find it in our online AF Parts Catalog, under PAINTS. Doug Peck Poret Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rep928" <plotnick@...> wrote: > > I am restoring a 293 I picked up last weekend. Any advice on how to repaint the white stripe running along the side? > - Thanks - Roy P. > > (BTW - been a member of this group for years, can't remember the last time I posted!) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56180	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: TCA S Gauge Convention Cars

Hello friends, I have followed the recent posts about delivery of the NASG (I presume) Convention cars, and I was prompted to forward to this list my query last month to the TTML about the S Gauge Convention Cars from the 2009 TCA Convention in Scottsdale. Are any of you list members TCA members who might have ordered the S cars? If so, have you received them yet? If not, any insight as to when we might expect them? Thanks. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan and Sherry Bennett To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re:Desert Division Flag/Mint Car Hello friends, We have had a few posts about some of the 2009 convention cars, but what about the AF cars? Has anyone received theirs? Have they been shipped? If not, when might we expect them? Thanks, Alan Bennett Keizer, Or PS: The convention was great! All involved in the Desert Division are to be congratulated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56181	From: portlines	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive

If it has a screw-in smokestack, ALWAYS remove that first. Since you say it is a 310, it probably doesn't have one, unless someone installed a smoke unit at a later date. Then remove all linkage (keep track or what goes where, and right side vs left side). Remove the screw holding on the cowcatcher (or "pilot"), and then the screw holding on the steamchest. Unscrew the phenolic jack panel from the rear of the cab. Then there are two remaining screws up front that hold the entire frame/chassis into the boiler shell.....take those out. Now you can carefully slide the entire frame slightly forward until it comes free from the two motor mount plates near the cab. Once it is free of those plates, it will lift out of the shell. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > Are there any explanations (with drawings preferably) available that will show me how to disassemble my 'new' 310 locomotive? I am gearing up to fix the 'loose' tires, replace the broken drawbar and do a general cleaning and relube. Figured any hints would be most welcome. > > Bob Groh >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56182	From: Coopers	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive

Hi Bob One no-cost source for a drawing is the Hobby Surplus site. Take a look at the following site for a parts break out. If you need parts, there are several folks in this group that can assist, Tom Seccia or Doug at Portlines to name a couple. http://www.hobbysurplus.com/xviews/310sk5HSS.asp The cowcatcher is typically held on by a machine screw on the bottom and the handrail wires you speak of. The tips may be bent on the inside of the cowcatcher to hold them in place. If so, straighten and then you should be able to pull out. When you remove the e-unit, examine the fingers on the 2 fingerboards. If not making good contact or badly worn, they will need to be replaced. If needed, unsolder the connecting wires of the defective finger board carefully, and then gently twist the 2 lugs holding the defective board. Acquire the finger boards from the sources above, press on, twist the lugs gently back to retain, and carefully solder the leads back on to the contacts. Be careful to avoid too much heat while soldering. Best of Luck to you, Art Keeping the rails clean in Richardson, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: zemouse2001 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive Are there any explanations (with drawings preferably) available that will show me how to disassemble my 'new' 310 locomotive? I am gearing up to fix the 'loose' tires, replace the broken drawbar and do a general cleaning and relube. Figured any hints would be most welcome. Bob Groh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56183	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: Disassembling process for AF 310 locomotive

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > Are there any explanations (with drawings preferably) available that will show me how to disassemble my 'new' 310 locomotive? I am gearing up to fix the 'loose' tires, replace the broken drawbar and do a general cleaning and relube. Figured any hints would be most welcome. > > Bob Groh > Just me replying to my own question. I got 'into it' this afternoon and pretty much disassembled it already! Took lots of pictures so I can thrown a document together if the desire moves me (also documents it so I can put together again!). Specific questions have popped up - I have started separate threads on those. My $25 purchase is proving to be a lot of fun, a great learning experience and another way to spend money. After all, if you have an engine, you need track (ka-ching!). If you have an engine and track, then you need a few cars (ka-ching!). Bob Groh, Blue Springs, MO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56184	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe

I use a Testor's paint pen. They come in different colors and have a felt tip much like a magic marker. I have only been able to find a gloss white but they may in fact make a flat. I usually apply this after I have repainted the whole unit black. Sometimes you need more than one coat of white and you just need to be sure to let the first coat dry thoroughly first. Hope this helps. Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "rep928" <plotnick@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:28:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] 293 White Stripe I am restoring a 293 I picked up last weekend. Any advice on how to repaint the white stripe running along the side? - Thanks - Roy P. (BTW - been a member of this group for years, can't remember the last time I posted!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56185	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and thos

Q#1: what the heck are those spring loaded rods/buttons (2 of them) on the bottom on the engine? Q#2: Is there anyway to lube the main drive wheel axles? Shy of pulling the wheels off. Q#3: My engine has, of course, some missing paint here and there. I'm not interested in doing a repaint (at this time) but has anyone some ideas on type and color of paint I might use for touch up on the engine and tender? I would think a dull dirty black and maybe some of those paints used for metal game pieces. Bob Groh Blue Springs, MO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56186	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/15/2009
Subject: Re: MOre on the 310 locomotive disassembly and cleaning and a few qu

Hi Bob,                     Don't remove the drivers unless you have an quarterly tool.  Leave the handrails in the pilot casting.  It is easier to put these back on the boiler.  I would suggest replacing the brushes.  These are usually worn.  Check the brush springs for tension on the brush.   No need to remove the reverse unit,  You can replace or clean the fingers and drum with the reverse unit in place.  If you need any replacement parts, please email me seccia@....                                                Tom Seccia                                                                               --- On Tue, 9/15/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] MOre on the 310 locomotive disassembly and cleaning and a few questions. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 5:50 PM   I went ahead and started pulling the 310 apart. This has gone well with no odd moments - a wonderfully well built little engine. Anyways on to the questions: 1. I assume that to complete the removal of the e-unit and motor, I need to unsolder the connections to the headlight shell and center contact. 2. The 'cow catcher' (sorry, for this archaic term) dangles because it is held in place by two pieces of bent wire 'trim'. It doesn't seem like the wire can be worked out of the holes in the castings but I don't want to bend the wire ends to extract them. Any other ways to wiggle the wires out of the way? I may just leave it dangle. 3. The brushes are about 3/16" long and seem to be in good shape. Should I replace them anyways? That does it for now. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56187	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: #293 White Stripes

Good Morning All, We can produce white stripe decals for the AF #293 for those that are interested. Please contact us off line for info. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56188	From: Johntech	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe

Hi Roy You could try and mask off the area you want to paint with painters tape That way the line will be nice and straight after you remove the tape. John --- On Tue, 9/15/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 White Stripe To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:28 PM I am restoring a 293 I picked up last weekend. Any advice on how to repaint the white stripe running along the side? - Thanks - Roy P. (BTW - been a member of this group for years, can't remember the last time I posted!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56189	From: portlines	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: Re: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and

See below. Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > Q#1: what the heck are those spring loaded rods/buttons (2 of them) on the bottom on the engine? *******Left-over from the prewar era.......they serve no purpose on the S-gauge engines. > > Q#2: Is there anyway to lube the main drive wheel axles? Shy of pulling the wheels off. ******Give each wheel a quick shot of Radio Shack Tuner Cleaner, aimed down between the back of the wheel and the chassis. This will help remove caked grease. Then use a needletip oiler, and add a drop or two of oil in the same locations. That's all it takes. > > Q#3: My engine has, of course, some missing paint here and there. I'm not interested in doing a repaint (at this time) but has anyone some ideas on type and color of paint I might use for touch up on the engine and tender? I would think a dull dirty black and maybe some of those paints used for metal game pieces. ******Almost impossible to "touch-up" without it being obvious. ALL original paints have experienced some fading over the past 50-60 years! So even if you have a "perfect match" paint (and we DO have those), the likelihood of it not being noticeable for touchup is small. These are terrific for full repaints, but not usually satisfactory for "perfect" touch-ups. > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, MO. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56190	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: Back to Trains Please

Hi All, Could we please get back to trains and let all the other topics die a quick death? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56191	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 9/16/2009
Subject: 310 Questions

Bob, Those two brass buttons on the bottom of the chassis are only found on '46 and maybe early '47 production. They were used to activate track trips for signals. ACG dropped the idea early on, and the trips used with these are very uncommon. So, nowadays, they are only used as an identifying feature. Locomotives with these are not all that rare, I have a few of them myself. An oiler with a long needle, or oil drops on a needle can be used to get lube to the driver axles, no need to pull wheels, which then opens up another can of worms (quartering, loose wheel centers, & gauging.) don't forget that the main drive rods do have a front and a back, the rear holes are round, and the front holes are oval--it's not wear, it's a factory feature. There is a "bump" on one side of the main axle hole (the middle one) that replicates a joint on the prototype rods, and it goes to the rear of the engine--that'll get you right, mate! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56192	From: amflyer336	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: TCA S Gauge Convention Cars

Hi Alan I was wondering the same thing since it is about 2 months after they were suppose to be delivered. I sent a note to HQ and got a reply that Lionel advised TCA that the cars should arrive by the end of the year. I suggested they post a status on their website or put something in one of the TCA's publications. Delays happen - just keep us informed. Gregg --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...> wrote: > > Hello friends, > > I have followed the recent posts about delivery of the NASG (I presume) Convention cars, and I was prompted to forward to this list my query last month to the TTML about the S Gauge Convention Cars from the 2009 TCA Convention in Scottsdale. > > Are any of you list members TCA members who might have ordered the S cars? If so, have you received them yet? If not, any insight as to when we might expect them? > > Thanks. > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan and Sherry Bennett > To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:10 PM > Subject: Re:Desert Division Flag/Mint Car > > > Hello friends, > > We have had a few posts about some of the 2009 convention cars, but what about the AF cars? Has anyone received theirs? Have they been shipped? If not, when might we expect them? > > Thanks, > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, Or > > PS: The convention was great! All involved in the Desert Division are to be congratulated. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56193	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Catalog Art Work

Over the past six months or so, I've become interested in collecting several of the vintage Gilbert American Flyer catalogs.I'm concentrating on the first 10 years of the Post War era. The latest one arrived this afternoon featuring a front cover by an artist named "Soltesz" this appearing on the lower right corner of the front cover. The thing that interests me the most about these classic catalogs is this wonderful artwork. Not only am I taken back to a time in my life that was magical and fun, being older I can better appreciate the work that went into creating these treasures. My question is, was one artist responsible for the covers or were there several. If there were more than one, who were they and what if anything can be told about Mr. Soltesz. It is amazing to me that any of these are still around. They are truly beautiful and enjoyable to look at. Mike Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56194	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and

Actually Doug they weren't. They were a strictly 1946 S gauge innovation and they were designed to work a short lived #695 track trip to operate accessories and semaphores etc. They serve no useful purpose in the absence of the rare track trip. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: portlines To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and those push pins See below. Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > Q#1: what the heck are those spring loaded rods/buttons (2 of them) on the bottom on the engine? *******Left-over from the prewar era.......they serve no purpose on the S-gauge engines. > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13280 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13280 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56195	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: "TrainMinder"

I'm looking for a user-friendly inventory system. Has anyone had experience w/subject system? Would like some feedback before I purchase. Thanks, Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56196	From: michael prell	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: Back to Trains Please

Good idea! How's about this. Recently I've started to collect some of the older Gilbert Catalogs.I've gotten lucky and have several from the first ten years of the Post War era. Not only do theys take me back to a better time, they've also allowed me to appreciate the fantastic art work that appeared on the covers. The 1952 edition arrived today with artwork by someone named Soltesz. Can anyone provide me with information regarding this artest? Thanks, Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 9/15/09, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Back to Trains Please To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 8:40 PM   Hi All, Could we please get back to trains and let all the other topics die a quick death? Thanks, BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56197	From: crcsdiv	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: RIVER RAISIN BRASS FOR SALE

Hi, I thought I would get a quick message out that I have two River Raisin steam engines for sale, that I can hand deliver to the S Get Together in South Amboy NJ this Saturday. Chesapeake & Ohio ALCO H-4 2-6-6-2 Built July 2005 Retail Price: $ 2499 (painted and lettered) Asking Price $2200 The second one is Pere Marquette N-1 Berkshire (2-8-4) #1216-1227 35 models built , March 2001 Asking Price: $ 1900 Contact me off list if you are interested. I can also ship FED EX GROUND. Thank You, Jack Bartman Walden NY 845-778-0145

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56198	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: TCA S Gauge Convention Cars

I have not received mine,I live in Pa. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan and Sherry Bennett To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TCA S Gauge Convention Cars Hello friends, I have followed the recent posts about delivery of the NASG (I presume) Convention cars, and I was prompted to forward to this list my query last month to the TTML about the S Gauge Convention Cars from the 2009 TCA Convention in Scottsdale. Are any of you list members TCA members who might have ordered the S cars? If so, have you received them yet? If not, any insight as to when we might expect them? Thanks. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan and Sherry Bennett To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re:Desert Division Flag/Mint Car Hello friends, We have had a few posts about some of the 2009 convention cars, but what about the AF cars? Has anyone received theirs? Have they been shipped? If not, when might we expect them? Thanks, Alan Bennett Keizer, Or PS: The convention was great! All involved in the Desert Division are to be congratulated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2375 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56199	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and

Hi Bob,                       The Brass Buttons in the chassis come on 1946 locomotives only.  These were put in to be used on center trip trips. Never developed by Gilbert.                       Using a Pin Point Oiler, lubricate the center around the axle.                     You won't be able to match the original paint due to the age of the locomotive. Flat Black Satin is close to do some touch up.  I have Black Satin 225 which is also close $3.95 per jar.                                          Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 9/15/09, zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> wrote: From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Subject: [S-Trains] More AF 310 locomotive questions part 2) - painting, lubing and those push pins To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 10:45 PM   Q#1: what the heck are those spring loaded rods/buttons (2 of them) on the bottom on the engine? Q#2: Is there anyway to lube the main drive wheel axles? Shy of pulling the wheels off. Q#3: My engine has, of course, some missing paint here and there. I'm not interested in doing a repaint (at this time) but has anyone some ideas on type and color of paint I might use for touch up on the engine and tender? I would think a dull dirty black and maybe some of those paints used for metal game pieces. Bob Groh Blue Springs, MO. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56200	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: #21165 Window Inserts

Hi All, We have been asked to produce some window inserts for the AF #21165,66 & 68. The new window insert decals have metallic silver frames and graduated back color wiich simulates some depth in the cab interior. They will be at our web site by tomorrow morning for those interested in the new offering. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56201	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/17/2009
Subject: Re: 310 Questions

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Bob, > Those two brass buttons on the bottom of the chassis are only found on '46 and maybe early '47 production. They were used to activate track trips for signals. ACG dropped the idea early on, and the trips used with these are very uncommon. So, nowadays, they are only used as an identifying feature. Locomotives with these are not all that rare, I have a few of them myself. > An oiler with a long needle, or oil drops on a needle can be used to get lube to the driver axles, no need to pull wheels, which then opens up another can of worms (quartering, loose wheel centers, & gauging.) > don't forget that the main drive rods do have a front and a back, the rear holes are round, and the front holes are oval--it's not wear, it's a factory feature. There is a "bump" on one side of the main axle hole (the middle one) that replicates a joint on the prototype rods, and it goes to the rear of the engine--that'll get you right, mate! > S' > David D. > A TON of good info there, David. Thanks a lot. And, no, I would not lightly (or ever) consider pulling the wheels due exactly to the factors you mentioned. Enough problems as it is! I did take pictures throughout the disassembly process but your details add to my confidence (a lot!). Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56202	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Problem uploading photos

I can not upload a jpg file to the photo section. After adding the information and selecting the photo file and clicking on upload, my computer screen gets a transparent gray overlay and nothing happens. What gives? I'm trying to upload a photo to my album "Walton". I had previously deleted photos in this album that are no longer relevant. Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56203	From: rep928	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe

Thanks to everyone who responded. I will try the paint pen, perhaps with some masking. BTW, this engine had the most worn brushes I have ever encountered. There was scarcely anything left! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56204	From: David	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Robin Hood Beer Reefer Photo

Here We Are Again, We have just posted a PHOTO of our version of a ROBIN HOOD BEER REEFER using an Ammerican Flyer #802 reefer car and LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. It is in this groups photo section at the folling link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1495344613/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you for your interest in our photos. Take care. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56205	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Fw: S gauge Arizona Convention Cars

Hello again, friends, I should have emailed TCA first, but I only yesterday drilled down far enough into their website to find the contact info. Included below is my email to them and the reply from Rose at TCA. Looks like Lionel is on its usual "slow boat from China" AF schedule for these AF cars as well. At least I know I have not missed receiving them. I was hoping to run them at this November's World's Greatest Hobby on Tour show near Seattle. Oh,well, maybe they will be waiting for me as late Christmas presents when I return next January from spending the Holidays in South Carolina. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Rose Strawser To: 'Alan and Sherry Bennett' Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: RE: S gauge Arizona Convention Cars Unfortunately the AF cars have been delayed. Lionel has told us that we will probably not see them until the end of this year. I apologize for this inconvenience, and thank you for your patience. Rose Strawser Membership Services Coordinator rstrawser@... 717-687-8623 Train Collectors Association P.O. Box 248 Strasburg, PA 17579 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett [mailto:alansherry@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: tca-office@... Subject: S gauge Arizona Convention Cars Hello friends, We have had a few posts on the TTML about some of the 2009 0 gauge convention cars being shipped, but what about the AF S gauge cars? Have they been shipped? If so, I have not received mine. If not, when might we expect them? Thanks, Alan Bennett Keizer, Or 87-25778 PS: The convention was great! All involved in the Desert Division are to be congratulated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56206	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Link couplers, Knuckle couplers

I find that by cutting or filing a 5 to 10 deg. "rake" on a link coupler hook really minimizes unwanted uncoupling at pretty high speeds. I run some passenger trains with this mod and they stay coupled over track with some irregularities. There are several other prerequisites to watch: 1) Couplers MUST fall freely with NO force applied. Rinsing out the pivot hole with some detergent works well. 2) Coupler mounting rods must be lined up to be horizontal across the rails. 3) Height of the uncoupling surface on the coupler must be set a little above the rail height. It is OK for the coupler point to end up a little lower at the tip end 4) Check your link trucks to be sure they are square and parallel, with all 4 wheels touching a glass surface under them. They can pick up some odd distortions over 50-60 years. I've probably forgotten some things but this will help. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56207	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Ensure Good Communication

Hi All, I emailed a model train supplies vendor and inquired about his product I had seen in a magazine. I read his response and thought it looked like something I needed and wanted. His email did not contain any pricing so I asked for the price for 24 of his items shipped to my home. His return email said $98 via UPS or FedEx. That sounded like a good deal so just to be sure I asked him what payment he accepted. He said checks and money orders - no PayPal or credit cards. So I emailed back and told him I would put the $98 check in the mail. Then he emailed back and said the $98 was for the shipping only - the 24 items were $480 - so write the check for $578. So what's the deal here? You can ship a ton of stuff for $98 so was he just trying to pull a rip off? Or was this a simple mis-understanding? In any event a Google search found basically identical items for around $200 plus $35 shipping. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56208	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Thank You: "Software Package for Inventory Control" Responses

Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond to my question. I appreciate all the good thoughts and suggestions. I certainly have some things to consider. Regards. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56209	From: David	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: CHANGE: Robin Hood Beer Decal Set

Hello Again, Since we last posted about our new #4756 ROBIN HOOD BEER REEFER DECAL SET we have changed the center of the logo's circle. We have removed the Robin Hood and installed the Robin Hood from the original beer label thus making our decal set different from all of the rest. We hope you enjoy this historical change. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56210	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: "TrainMinder"

I like it. --- On Wed, 9/16/09, pete.henningsen <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote: From: pete.henningsen <amerflyerwanted@...> Subject: [S-Trains] "TrainMinder" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:47 AM   I'm looking for a user-friendly inventory system. Has anyone had experience w/subject system? Would like some feedback before I purchase. Thanks, Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56211	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: 293 White Stripe

I once pulled a little 302 off of the "S" layout at NTTM, for periodic maint. Brushes were just the "shoulders" IN the springs, but, it RAN. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/18/2009 7:00:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, plotnick@... writes: Thanks to everyone who responded. I will try the paint pen, perhaps with some masking. BTW, this engine had the most worn brushes I have ever encountered. There was scarcely anything left! - Roy ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56212	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem

I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate the barrow as an intermittent problem. I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56213	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Problem uploading photos

There is a gray fram section that should come up which requires you to tick a share with others box. Trouble is sometimes only the top of the frame shows up. You need to perservere until you get enough of the frame to tick the box - then it will upload. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Walton To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Problem uploading photos I can not upload a jpg file to the photo section. After adding the information and selecting the photo file and clicking on upload, my computer screen gets a transparent gray overlay and nothing happens. What gives? I'm trying to upload a photo to my album "Walton". I had previously deleted photos in this album that are no longer relevant. Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13300 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56214	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

the following cars are for sale at $25 each, 3 or more gets free shipping.i have more in the same series of numbersjust ask if your looking for a car. email me at lglumac@... 48501 flat car with trailers 48303 chesie box car 48301 denver/rio 48300 sp box car 48703 up box car 49003 up search lite car 48302 canadian pacific 48802 penn reffer 48701 caboose [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56215	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

Hi i have the following cars for sale at $25 each 48318 ac gilbert box car 48405 shell tank car 48407 gilbert tank car 48322 new haven box car 48509 flat car with tractors 48483 boys rr club 48406 celanese tanker email me at lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56216	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: FOR SALE flyer/lionel

hi i have the following for sale , plus lots of xmas cars for $20 each if you need some let me know. 8914 &8915 MP pass cars $50 each 6-49605 set of 3 new haven cars $150 8154 B&O dummy $75 8153 B&O engine , dummy is wrapped $75 buy both 8153 & 8154 for $125 email me at lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56217	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Beer Reefer Photo

David - what procedures did you go through to paint the car, what type paint etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Robin Hood Beer Reefer Photo > Here We Are Again, > We have just posted a PHOTO of our version of a ROBIN HOOD BEER REEFER > using an Ammerican Flyer #802 reefer car and LBR Restorations U.S.A. > decals. It is in this groups photo section at the folling link > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1495344613/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > Thank you for your interest in our photos. > Take care. > Dave > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56218	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Spray Paint

I have finishes spray painting the walls for my next kit. Do I need to sand the walls next to smooth out the paint. If so, what grit of paper do I use. thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56219	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/18/2009
Subject: Re: Spray Paint

Finished, not Finishes. S is next to the D. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains ; Toy Trains Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Spray Paint I have finishes spray painting the walls for my next kit. Do I need to sand the walls next to smooth out the paint. If so, what grit of paper do I use. thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56220	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Ensure Good Communication

bull_gator_1 wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I emailed a model train supplies vendor and inquired about his product I > had seen in a magazine. I read his response and thought it looked like > something I needed and wanted. His email did not contain any pricing so > I asked for the price for 24 of his items shipped to my home. His return > email said $98 via UPS or FedEx. That sounded like a good deal so just > to be sure I asked him what payment he accepted. He said checks and > money orders - no PayPal or credit cards. So I emailed back and told him > I would put the $98 check in the mail. Then he emailed back and said the > $98 was for the shipping only - the 24 items were $480 - so write the > check for $578. I am always leery of any vendor who will not take credit cards or PayPal in this day and age. Checks are a pain and even many vendors who still accept them, process them electronically so the money comes out of your account just like a debit card. What were you ordering that would cost $98 to ship, a real railroad tie? ;-) Haven't they seen the USPS commercials for flat rate boxes? Yes, way too many vendors try to rip you off on shipping. I saw a software program on a DVD that I wanted yesterday. Cost was $19.95 but they wanted $12 to put it in an envelope and mail it. I passed on it. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56221	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Ensure Good Communication

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > >---- snip ---- > So what's the deal here? You can ship a ton of stuff for $98 so was he just trying to pull a rip off? Or was this a simple mis-understanding? > > In any event a Google search found basically identical items for around $200 plus $35 shipping. > At a minimum, I would say that the individual seems like an inexperienced business person. His response should have been a bit (no, a LOT) more professional including the quantity of each item, the unit price, the extended price, the choices for shipping (yes, there are choices! USPS, Fed Ex, UPS, Ground, with or without insurance, his terms of sale (personal check or money order only), etc. As to the particulars of the $98 fee - I have no idea not knowing any of the particulars (weight, size, etc) but the fact that someone else quoted only $30 - hummmm - that is a bit of a red flag. Another red flag - the fact that he wouldn't take PayPal or a credit card! That does not indicate a merchant of any size. Sorry, today I am not about to spend multiple $100s of dollars and not have some protection (which is what using a credit card or PayPal gives you). Yes, I will take checks from people - people that I know or folks who I know that just have a problem with using PayPal! It just takes too much time to go through the check game. Anyways that is my take on it. I think you were lucky to have decided not to do business with this gentleman. Just my opinion. Bob Groh, Blue SPrings, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56222	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

Are these new or used? ----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... Date: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:27 pm Subject: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Hi i have the following cars for sale at $25 each > > 48318 ac gilbert box car > 48405 shell tank car > 48407 gilbert tank car > 48322 new haven box car > 48509 flat car with tractors > 48483 boys rr club > 48406 celanese tanker > > email me at lglumac@... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56223	From: Herbert	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Catalog Art Work

This is probably the work of Frank Soltesz, a very highly regarded commercial illustrator of that time period. He did work for many major corporations. The catalogs themselves were produced under the stewardship of Baning Repplier, Gilbert's advertising manager, who was originally recruited from Lionel. You can see the difference when he took over in 1950. I had the pleasure of speaking to him on the phone a number of times in the late 1980's. Very bright man who did very well in business after leaving in 1958. Very conversant with what was wrong at Gilbert. One of a number of bright executives familiar with what was wrong at the company. Modest man who never mentioned he was a paratrooper in WWII. He made a parachute jump when he was 86 years old. Probably more than you want to know. Herb Wasserman Mike--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Over the past six months or so, I've become interested in collecting several of the vintage Gilbert American Flyer catalogs.I'm concentrating on the first 10 years of the Post War era. The latest one arrived this afternoon featuring a front cover by an artist named "Soltesz" this appearing on the lower right corner of the front cover. > The thing that interests me the most about these classic catalogs is this wonderful artwork. Not only am I taken back to a time in my life that was magical and fun, being older I can better appreciate the work that went into creating these treasures. My question is, was one artist responsible for the covers or were there several. If there were more than one, who were they and what if anything can be told about Mr. Soltesz. > It is amazing to me that any of these are still around. They are truly beautiful and enjoyable to look at. > Mike Prell >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56224	From: David White	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

Hi, I am intrested in the 48802 AF Penn. reffer. Do you have more than one. Lou I think I bought a bunch of black rubber roadbed off of you a year ago and picked it up at your house. I live in Wampum, PA. 16157. Thank you, Dave. --- On Fri, 9/18/09, lglumac@... <lglumac@...> wrote: From: lglumac@... <lglumac@...> Subject: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 9:25 PM     the following cars are for sale at $25 each, 3 or more gets free shipping.i have more in the same series of numbersjust ask if your looking for a car. email me at lglumac@comcast. net 48501 flat car with trailers 48303 chesie box car 48301 denver/rio 48300 sp box car 48703 up box car 49003 up search lite car 48302 canadian pacific 48802 penn reffer 48701 caboose [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56225	From: michael prell	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Catalog Art Work

Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 9/19/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Catalog Art Work To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 10:38 AM Thanks, Herb! It was more than I knew before. I appreciate your reply. So many times we see these examples of illustrated fantasy and don't give them much thought. It's obvious that much time and work, revision and final decision making goes into these before going to print. The frustration must have been enormous. For me, it's nice to know something about the artist who created this art. Thanks again. Mike  As an afterthought, This availability and willingness to participate in discussions such as this is what I really enjoy the most about our group. We may not always agree and it would be boring as hell if we did, but, we do manage to keep things interesting and alive! Take care,     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Herbert <hwass@...> wrote: From: Herbert <hwass@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Catalog Art Work To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 8:50 AM   This is probably the work of Frank Soltesz, a very highly regarded commercial illustrator of that time period. He did work for many major corporations. The catalogs themselves were produced under the stewardship of Baning Repplier, Gilbert's advertising manager, who was originally recruited from Lionel. You can see the difference when he took over in 1950. I had the pleasure of speaking to him on the phone a number of times in the late 1980's. Very bright man who did very well in business after leaving in 1958. Very conversant with what was wrong at Gilbert. One of a number of bright executives familiar with what was wrong at the company. Modest man who never mentioned he was a paratrooper in WWII. He made a parachute jump when he was 86 years old. Probably more than you want to know. Herb Wasserman Mike--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@... > wrote: > > Over the past six months or so, I've become interested in collecting several of the vintage Gilbert American Flyer catalogs.I'm concentrating on the first 10 years of the Post War era. The latest one arrived this afternoon featuring a front cover by an artist named "Soltesz" this appearing on the lower right corner of the front cover. > The thing that interests me the most about these classic catalogs is this wonderful artwork. Not only am I taken back to a time in my life that was magical and fun, being older I can better appreciate the work that went into creating these treasures. My question is, was one artist responsible for the covers or were there several. If there were more than one, who were they and what if anything can be told about Mr. Soltesz. > It is amazing to me that any of these are still around. They are truly beautiful and enjoyable to look at. > Mike Prell > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56226	From: michael prell	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Catalog Art Work

Thanks, Herb! It was more than I knew before. I appreciate your reply. So many times we see these examples of illustrated fantasy and don't give them much thought. It's obvious that much time and work, revision and final decision making goes into these before going to print. The frustration must have been enormous. For me, it's nice to know something about the artist who created this art. Thanks again. Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Herbert <hwass@...> wrote: From: Herbert <hwass@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Catalog Art Work To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 8:50 AM   This is probably the work of Frank Soltesz, a very highly regarded commercial illustrator of that time period. He did work for many major corporations. The catalogs themselves were produced under the stewardship of Baning Repplier, Gilbert's advertising manager, who was originally recruited from Lionel. You can see the difference when he took over in 1950. I had the pleasure of speaking to him on the phone a number of times in the late 1980's. Very bright man who did very well in business after leaving in 1958. Very conversant with what was wrong at Gilbert. One of a number of bright executives familiar with what was wrong at the company. Modest man who never mentioned he was a paratrooper in WWII. He made a parachute jump when he was 86 years old. Probably more than you want to know. Herb Wasserman Mike--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@... > wrote: > > Over the past six months or so, I've become interested in collecting several of the vintage Gilbert American Flyer catalogs.I'm concentrating on the first 10 years of the Post War era. The latest one arrived this afternoon featuring a front cover by an artist named "Soltesz" this appearing on the lower right corner of the front cover. > The thing that interests me the most about these classic catalogs is this wonderful artwork. Not only am I taken back to a time in my life that was magical and fun, being older I can better appreciate the work that went into creating these treasures. My question is, was one artist responsible for the covers or were there several. If there were more than one, who were they and what if anything can be told about Mr. Soltesz. > It is amazing to me that any of these are still around. They are truly beautiful and enjoyable to look at. > Mike Prell > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56227	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: NASG Brick Building...

Since I received a handful of inquires about ordering the infamous NASG Brick Building kit as a result of my FNF post on the S Scale List, I thought I'd go ahead and post details here. You don't actually need an order form. To get the kit at the NASG discount, you do need to be an NASG member. As of a day or so ago, we had 56 kits either in-hand or available. The kit is $99.95. S&H is $5. Ohio residents add $6.75 sales tax. Once our supply is exhausted, the kits can be ordered from Banta Modelworks at a slightly, very slightly, higher price due to Banta's $10 S&H charge as was seen in his ad in the latest "S Gaugian" edition. You can mail your orders to NASG Brick Building, Alan Evans, Rocky Fork Printing, 165 Granville St., Gahanna, OH 43230. alan@... Information you need to provide: Your name. Your street/PO address. Your city, state/prov. Your postal code/country. Your check/money order for $104.95 non-Ohio delivery points; $111.70 for Ohio delivery points per kit. Your NASG membership number. Make check/money order payable to: NASG Inc. I am trying to get the webmaster to put up an image of the completed building on the NASG site www.nasg.org as soon as possible. Lacking that, as written above, Banta Modelworks ran an ad for the kit in the last "S Gaugian." The NASG "Dispatch" roster edition is due out soon and should contain a copy of the order flyer. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56228	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Calendar reminder

THIS Sunday the ORIGINAL Gilbertsville Train Show opens doors at 8:30 AM in the Gilbertsville Fire House. Show runs 8:30 AM til 1:30 PM, Admission is $3.00 at the door, Children under 12 FREE Over 200 tables trains, train collectibles, ALL gauges & ages Gilbertsville Fire House is on PA RT 73, prox 1 mile EAST of PA RT 100, Sunday Sept 26th is the FIRST Annual Columbia Historical Society Train Show, in the Columbia Market House, 15 S 3rd St, Columbia, PA. 11 AM til 5 PM, $3.00 Adult, $1.00 Kids Admission. Sunday Sept 27th is the TCA Atlantic Div Train Meet at the Plumbers Union Hall, 2791 Southampton Rd, Phila, PA. Hours 9 AM til 12:30 PM, Admission $5.00 per family. Contact Dick @ 215-332-5028 for tables. Sunday Oct 4th is the 30 Annual FALL Train Meet, sponsored by RCTHS at Leesport Farmers Market, PA RT 61 N, Leesport, PA. 9 AM til 1 PM, Adult Adm $4.00, kids under 12 FREE w/Adult. Contact Dale _dalem1955@..._ (mailto:dalem1955@...) or 610-372-3759 for table info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56229	From: michael prell	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist.   Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.com. It makes for some very interesting reading! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56230	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Problem uploading photos

Thanks Alistair. That was the problem. Could never get enought of the frame to see where I could click to opt out with what they wanted me to do. I had to reduce the window size and then move the frame up to where I could see what needed to be selected. Ted At 05:43 AM 9/19/2009, you wrote: >There is a gray fram section that should come up which requires you >to tick a share with others box. Trouble is sometimes only the top >of the frame shows up. You need to perservere until you get enough >of the frame to tick the box - then it will upload. Alistair >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Walton >To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:58 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Problem uploading photos >I can not upload a jpg file to the photo section. After adding the >information and selecting the photo file and clicking on upload, my >computer screen gets a transparent gray overlay and nothing happens. >What gives? I'm trying to upload a photo to my album "Walton". I had >previously deleted photos in this album that are no longer relevant. >Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56231	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

there new ----- Original Message ----- From: amerflyerwanted@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:46:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE  flyer/lionel   Are these new or used? ----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... Date: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:27 pm Subject: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Hi i have the following cars for sale at $25 each > > 48318 ac gilbert box car > 48405 shell tank car > 48407 gilbert tank car > 48322 new haven box car > 48509 flat car with tractors > 48483 boys rr club > 48406 celanese tanker > > email me at lglumac@... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56232	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

i only have the one pennsy car, i am doing the train show tomarrow in cranberry shearton if you want to pick it up there let me know,,,,,call me at 412-849-6380 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David White" <zu5249s@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:01:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE  flyer/lionel   Hi, I am intrested in the 48802 AF Penn. reffer. Do you have more than one. Lou I think I bought a bunch of black rubber roadbed off of you a year ago and picked it up at your house. I live in Wampum, PA. 16157. Thank you, Dave. --- On Fri, 9/18/09, lglumac@... < lglumac@... > wrote: From: lglumac@... < lglumac@... > Subject: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 9:25 PM     the following cars are for sale at $25 each, 3 or more gets free shipping.i have more in the same series of numbersjust ask if your looking for a car. email me at lglumac@comcast. net 48501 flat car with trailers 48303 chesie box car 48301 denver/rio 48300 sp box car 48703 up box car 49003 up search lite car 48302 canadian pacific 48802 penn reffer 48701 caboose [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56233	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.com. It makes for some very interesting reading! Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56234	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/20/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56235	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: 20 gauge stranded wire..

Needing to buy in bulk in different colors. Any recomendations on a good source.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56236	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Wheel Bearing Repair

Hello Group, I need help with a 336 "Northern" that has worn bushings on the rear drivers I have removed the chassis and the rear wheels . The axle is loose and has a lot of up and down side play. The worm gear appears to be pressed on and I don't think I can make a "Shade Tree" repair as I don't have the a press to remove the axle.. I should probably send this out for service.. Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who can replace these bearings for me and whats the average cost ? Thank you for your help Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56237	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/19/2009
Subject: Floquil Paint

I am brushing Floquil paint on the trim for my next project. I normally use acrylic paint. The paint is very difficult to brush, as I am using a oil brush. Do I need to get some Floquil paint thinner to make it brush better? thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56238	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

Send list of any NASG, NETCA, TCA, TTOS, Christmas, or other commemerative cars for sale. ----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > there new > ----- Original Message ----- > From: amerflyerwanted@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:46:17 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE > flyer/lionel > > > > > > > Are these new or used? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lglumac@... > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:27 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi i have the following cars for sale at $25 each > > > > 48318 ac gilbert box car > > 48405 shell tank car > > 48407 gilbert tank car > > 48322 new haven box car > > 48509 flat car with tractors > > 48483 boys rr club > > 48406 celanese tanker > > > > email me at lglumac@... > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56239	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..

wisner_mark wrote: > Needing to buy in bulk in different colors. > Any recomendations on a good source. Here's a good mail order source: http://tinyurl.com/l9c3g2 http://www.allelectronics.com deals in surplus, manufacture over runs and some things that they just stock regularly. The tinyurl link above is for 100 foot rolls of stranded wire in various gauges and colors on their web site. Their shipping is incredibly reasonable as well. I don't think I have ever paid more than $8 for shipping and that was for some heavy transformers. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56240	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..

Try Googling 20 Gauge Stranded Wire. When ever you are looking for anything, product, information, whether train related or not, Google will get you some answers. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 20 gauge stranded wire.. Needing to buy in bulk in different colors. Any recomendations on a good source. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56241	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..

one example I found on Google. http://www.bulkwire.com/search.asp?Action=search&Keywords=20+gauge+stranded Hope this helps. And there are other sites. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wisner_mark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 20 gauge stranded wire.. Needing to buy in bulk in different colors. Any recomendations on a good source. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56242	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel

My offer is $150 including postage for ; 48303 49003 48302 48701 48802 48509 48483 48406 ----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > there new > ----- Original Message ----- > From: amerflyerwanted@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:46:17 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE > flyer/lionel > > > > > > > Are these new or used? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lglumac@... > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:27 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] [toytrainstrading] FOR SALE flyer/lionel > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi i have the following cars for sale at $25 each > > > > 48318 ac gilbert box car > > 48405 shell tank car > > 48407 gilbert tank car > > 48322 new haven box car > > 48509 flat car with tractors > > 48483 boys rr club > > 48406 celanese tanker > > > > email me at lglumac@... > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56243	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

Hello I am Michael Phillips and I am sort of a silent member of our group. However this catalog art thread fascinated me as I really enjoy looking at both the A.F. catalogs as well as the lionel catalog art as well. My question is this: Does anyone in the group know of either a web site or a book that features this art from the catalogs? As I recall there was a book of catalog art and over at the E trains site they had some Lionel catalog art screen savers as well as the gif files. I was just wondering. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips Owner of the American Flyer Line Co. (4x6 American Flyer Layout) In a message dated 9/19/2009 3:38:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: _S-trains@yahoogroupS-tra_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) ; _toytrains@yahoogroutoytra_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56244	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Ensure Good Communication

Hi, Looking for two (2) Baggage cars AF 49927 & 49928... new this year. George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56245	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: "TrainMinder"

Pete, I used to use TrainTracker, but they quit making price guide updates. Believe they have now stopped making the inventory program. So, I bought TrainMinder when it came out in late 2008. It works very well, and they say they will keep updating the program as needed. It is well worth the price. Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56246	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm Mike All the catalogs are on this site. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boxcarmike464@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More Hello I am Michael Phillips and I am sort of a silent member of our group. However this catalog art thread fascinated me as I really enjoy looking at both the A.F. catalogs as well as the lionel catalog art as well. My question is this: Does anyone in the group know of either a web site or a book that features this art from the catalogs? As I recall there was a book of catalog art and over at the E trains site they had some Lionel catalog art screen savers as well as the gif files. I was just wondering. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips Owner of the American Flyer Line Co. (4x6 American Flyer Layout) In a message dated 9/19/2009 3:38:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: _S-trains@yahoogroupS-tra_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) ; _toytrains@yahoogroutoytra_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56247	From: michael prell	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

My favorite's the 1949 issue. The kids expressions are great. I always wanted to be the kid crooking his invite digit! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 9/19/09, boxcarmike464@... <boxcarmike464@...> wrote: From: boxcarmike464@... <boxcarmike464@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 10:51 PM   Hello I am Michael Phillips and I am sort of a silent member of our group. However this catalog art thread fascinated me as I really enjoy looking at both the A.F. catalogs as well as the lionel catalog art as well. My question is this: Does anyone in the group know of either a web site or a book that features this art from the catalogs? As I recall there was a book of catalog art and over at the E trains site they had some Lionel catalog art screen savers as well as the gif files. I was just wondering. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips Owner of the American Flyer Line Co. (4x6 American Flyer Layout) In a message dated 9/19/2009 3:38:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@verizon. net writes: Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: _S-trains@yahoogrou pS-tra_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroup s.com) ; _toytrains@yahoogro utoytra_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56248	From: boxcarmike464@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

Thank You Very Much. That is a very impressive site. I am enjoying this to the hilt. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips In a message dated 9/20/2009 9:07:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://www.myflyerthttp://wwwhttp://www.mhttp://www.myflyhttp:/_ (http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm) Mike All the catalogs are on this site. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: _boxcarmike464@boxcarm_ (mailto:boxcarmike464@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More Hello I am Michael Phillips and I am sort of a silent member of our group. However this catalog art thread fascinated me as I really enjoy looking at both the A.F. catalogs as well as the lionel catalog art as well. My question is this: Does anyone in the group know of either a web site or a book that features this art from the catalogs? As I recall there was a book of catalog art and over at the E trains site they had some Lionel catalog art screen savers as well as the gif files. I was just wondering. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips Owner of the American Flyer Line Co. (4x6 American Flyer Layout) In a message dated 9/19/2009 3:38:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: _S-trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-train_S-trains@yahoogroupS-tra_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ; _toytrains@yahoogro_toytrains@yahoog_toytrains@yahoogroutoytra_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56249	From: A E Johnson	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

I can faintly remember a few of these covers from my youth. 1952, 1953, maybe 1956. By this time I became more interested in the female of our species! Thank you for posting these and sharing. bigfoot From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm Mike All the catalogs are on this site. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boxcarmike464@... <mailto:boxcarmike464%40aol.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More Hello I am Michael Phillips and I am sort of a silent member of our group. However this catalog art thread fascinated me as I really enjoy looking at both the A.F. catalogs as well as the lionel catalog art as well. My question is this: Does anyone in the group know of either a web site or a book that features this art from the catalogs? As I recall there was a book of catalog art and over at the E trains site they had some Lionel catalog art screen savers as well as the gif files. I was just wondering. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips Owner of the American Flyer Line Co. (4x6 American Flyer Layout) In a message dated 9/19/2009 3:38:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: _S-trains@yahoogroupS-tra_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) ; _toytrains@yahoogroutoytra_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> ) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56250	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Floquil paint

I have used this paint for years, going back to the original formula which was loaded with toulene and other nasty stuff. It was well known for its finely ground pigments and ability to cover with one coat. As they have made it more environmentally friendly, it has become less managable. Still, I have no real problems with it and I have almost always used Floquil for brush painting as it usually covers in one coat and is already a "flat" finish. The acrylics or water base paints seem to be blended thinner for airbrushing and I find them a problem brushing light colors without multiple coats. Without knowing your specific problem, it is hard to suggest an answer. My guess is that you're having trouble getting the paint to cover. Use softer brushes for thin paints and built coats slowly as necessary. Try stirring the paint rather than shaking to mix up the paint. (Often paint has been on a shelf for a very long time before purchased.) Store paint on it's side so that all the pigment doesn't settle to the bottom, but to the side where it can be easier to mix. Even quality paint will permanently separate after a time (acrylics seem to faster)or the pigment will harden beyond mixing (solvent based types do this.) Give us a little more description of your problem too, we're always willing to help and everyone has different experiances to work from. Stumpy Stone...home again from the weekend's auto race announcing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Paint conclusion

I have come to the conclusion that the problem I am having with some floquil paint is the brush. The paint seems to be fine, but when brushing, it is difficult to move after a few strokes. I got some nylon brushes from Michaels that where for oil paint. Someone said to use Sable brushes. I tried a different type of brush, I have and it seem to flow better with the brush. But I need more paint, so I will order brushes with the paint. Thanks for all the help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56252	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

that website has allot of information. The artwork on these catalogs makes these trains look so good. Mike M ----- Original Message ----- From: boxcarmike464@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More Thank You Very Much. That is a very impressive site. I am enjoying this to the hilt. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips In a message dated 9/20/2009 9:07:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://www.myflyerthttp://wwwhttp://www.mhttp://www.myflyhttp:/_ (http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm) Mike All the catalogs are on this site. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: _boxcarmike464@boxcarm_ (mailto:boxcarmike464@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More Hello I am Michael Phillips and I am sort of a silent member of our group. However this catalog art thread fascinated me as I really enjoy looking at both the A.F. catalogs as well as the lionel catalog art as well. My question is this: Does anyone in the group know of either a web site or a book that features this art from the catalogs? As I recall there was a book of catalog art and over at the E trains site they had some Lionel catalog art screen savers as well as the gif files. I was just wondering. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips Owner of the American Flyer Line Co. (4x6 American Flyer Layout) In a message dated 9/19/2009 3:38:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: _S-trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-train_S-trains@yahoogroupS-tra_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ; _toytrains@yahoogro_toytrains@yahoog_toytrains@yahoogroutoytra_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56253	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: 20 gauge stranded wire..

Port Lines Hobby sells "Super Flex"" wire in 20 and 24 gauge. I use a lot of it in my can motor retrofits. The "flex" wire is important to prevent fatigue breaks. Steve In a message dated 09/19/2009 8:00:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wisner_mark@... writes: Needing to buy in bulk in different colors. Any recomendations on a good source. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56254	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Wheel Bearing Repair

SnS Trains in Boise does those type repairs. _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) or _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) Steve In a message dated 09/19/2009 8:00:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mikejoan45@... writes: Hello Group, I need help with a 336 "Northern" that has worn bushings on the rear drivers I have removed the chassis and the rear wheels . The axle is loose and has a lot of up and down side play. The worm gear appears to be pressed on and I don't think I can make a "Shade Tree" repair as I don't have the a press to remove the axle.. I should probably send this out for service.. Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who can replace these bearings for me and whats the average cost ? Thank you for your help Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56255	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Wheel Bearing Repair

Hi Mike,                        I don't believe that a 336 Northern has chassis bearings or bushings.  The early steam locomotives had hard brass bushings PA9540 Small Hole and PA9541 Large Hole.  If you have removed the drivers, you will need a quartering tool to put these back on the locomotive.  These can be done with a good drill press.  I would suggest contacting SnS Trains in Idaho.  I believe they are in the S Group and see if they can do the job for you.                                 Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 9/19/09, mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> wrote: From: mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Wheel Bearing Repair To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 9:44 PM   Hello Group, I need help with a 336 "Northern" that has worn bushings on the rear drivers I have removed the chassis and the rear wheels . The axle is loose and has a lot of up and down side play. The worm gear appears to be pressed on and I don't think I can make a "Shade Tree" repair as I don't have the a press to remove the axle.. I should probably send this out for service.. Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who can replace these bearings for me and whats the average cost ? Thank you for your help Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56256	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint

Hi Stumpy, Yes, I do appreciate the help from all. It just seems the paint is fine, but once I start to brush it, it get hard to push the paint. I did order Sable brushed today, as I was using nylon as the label said okay for oil base. Maybe not. I think the brush is the problem. Should be here from Micro Mark this way, as I go the battery operated mixer too along with a whole paint shop it seems. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Floquil paint I have used this paint for years, going back to the original formula which was loaded with toulene and other nasty stuff. It was well known for its finely ground pigments and ability to cover with one coat. As they have made it more environmentally friendly, it has become less managable. Still, I have no real problems with it and I have almost always used Floquil for brush painting as it usually covers in one coat and is already a "flat" finish. The acrylics or water base paints seem to be blended thinner for airbrushing and I find them a problem brushing light colors without multiple coats. Without knowing your specific problem, it is hard to suggest an answer. My guess is that you're having trouble getting the paint to cover. Use softer brushes for thin paints and built coats slowly as necessary. Try stirring the paint rather than shaking to mix up the paint. (Often paint has been on a shelf for a very long time before purchased.) Store paint on it's side so that all the pigment doesn't settle to the bottom, but to the side where it can be easier to mix. Even quality paint will permanently separate after a time (acrylics seem to faster)or the pigment will harden beyond mixing (solvent based types do this.) Give us a little more description of your problem too, we're always willing to help and everyone has different experiances to work from. Stumpy Stone...home again from the weekend's auto race announcing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56257	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More

So you remember the covers then, from the other magazine with rabbit ears on it? LOL Oh oh, I am in trouble again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: A E Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More I can faintly remember a few of these covers from my youth. 1952, 1953, maybe 1956. By this time I became more interested in the female of our species! Thank you for posting these and sharing. bigfoot From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm Mike All the catalogs are on this site. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boxcarmike464@... <mailto:boxcarmike464%40aol.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More Hello I am Michael Phillips and I am sort of a silent member of our group. However this catalog art thread fascinated me as I really enjoy looking at both the A.F. catalogs as well as the lionel catalog art as well. My question is this: Does anyone in the group know of either a web site or a book that features this art from the catalogs? As I recall there was a book of catalog art and over at the E trains site they had some Lionel catalog art screen savers as well as the gif files. I was just wondering. Keep Highballing Easy Michael Phillips Owner of the American Flyer Line Co. (4x6 American Flyer Layout) In a message dated 9/19/2009 3:38:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: Yes, we got fellow TCA member so hooked on Zippy he had to sign up for the daily dose emails for comics from Zippy. Now which one of you is next. LOL Had a great bike ride today on the York Rail Trail from Glen Rock, PA to Parkton, MD. At New Freedom and Hanover Junction they have RR museums in restored train stations. One of the greeters at New Freedom is Mr. Charles Neel, 80 years old. He worked for the RR's and 43 years with C&O, His wife, Marilyn is also another greeter. very nice people. Any one going to York, should try to make some time to see these places on the rail trail. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: _S-trains@yahoogroupS-tra_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) ; _toytrains@yahoogroutoytra_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> ) Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Frank Soltesz-Commercial Illustrator and More As per a suggestion from a fellow zippyhead, and after receiving information from Herb Wasserman, I googled the name Frank Soltesz. The results are impressive. His son, Ken wrote a beautifully informative biography about this Artist. Although Mr. Soltesz's professional relationship with A.C. Gilbert wasn't mentioned, one can't help but know that the name appearing on the 1952 Catalog cover was that of Frank Soltesz. I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www.franksoltesz.I'd suggest to anyone interested, click. www Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56258	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/20/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 20, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56259	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: "TrainMinder"

Thanks, Mike- no negatives yet! Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth A Leahy Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:41 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re:"TrainMinder" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Pete, > > I used to use TrainTracker, but they quit making price guide updates. > Believe they have now stopped making the inventory program. So, > I bought > TrainMinder when it came out in late 2008. It works very well, > and they say > they will keep updating the program as needed. It is well worth > the price. > > Mike Leahy > Boulder, CO > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56260	From: Nick	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint

Mike, I agree with Stumpy and I have also been using it since 1976. I loved to paint but my experience with brush painting anything except door frames has been terrible. I moved on to an air brush a long time ago and never looked back. Airbrushing takes a lot of practice but when you get the hang of it, it really makes the difference between a good model and a great model. I like Floquil for painting things that do not need to be decaled. Decals require a glass-like finish to avoid decal "shadows" caused by a rough finish under the decal film. My choice for locomotive or car painting is ScaleCoat or Scalecoat II for plastic. It gives me an extremely smooth finish and decals snuggle right down onto it like white on rice. Done correctly, a decal will not even need an overcoat if you use a decal setting solution like Solvaset. The decals become part of the paint and rarely are damaged by handling. Either choice, it always gives you the satisfaction of knowing you added something to your model. Good luck, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56261	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint

I did use Floquil on a water tank I made in 2007 and no problems there. Ahhhhhhhhhh! LOL This is driving me nuts as if I am already nuts. LOL I await the new brushes. The window frames are already painted with the glass in. I think I have enough plastic to make more windows if I need to repaint with acrylic. Yes, trains are like tropical fish I am learning. LOL thanks for the help again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Floquil paint Mike, I agree with Stumpy and I have also been using it since 1976. I loved to paint but my experience with brush painting anything except door frames has been terrible. I moved on to an air brush a long time ago and never looked back. Airbrushing takes a lot of practice but when you get the hang of it, it really makes the difference between a good model and a great model. I like Floquil for painting things that do not need to be decaled. Decals require a glass-like finish to avoid decal "shadows" caused by a rough finish under the decal film. My choice for locomotive or car painting is ScaleCoat or Scalecoat II for plastic. It gives me an extremely smooth finish and decals snuggle right down onto it like white on rice. Done correctly, a decal will not even need an overcoat if you use a decal setting solution like Solvaset. The decals become part of the paint and rarely are damaged by handling. Either choice, it always gives you the satisfaction of knowing you added something to your model. Good luck, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56262	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Floquil paint

Thanks Nick. I have done many building this year, all with acrylic paint. No problems with brushing. I ordered sable brushes and I hope that works. This building only cost $250. LOL I hope it does not turn out to be my worse job. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Floquil paint Mike, I agree with Stumpy and I have also been using it since 1976. I loved to paint but my experience with brush painting anything except door frames has been terrible. I moved on to an air brush a long time ago and never looked back. Airbrushing takes a lot of practice but when you get the hang of it, it really makes the difference between a good model and a great model. I like Floquil for painting things that do not need to be decaled. Decals require a glass-like finish to avoid decal "shadows" caused by a rough finish under the decal film. My choice for locomotive or car painting is ScaleCoat or Scalecoat II for plastic. It gives me an extremely smooth finish and decals snuggle right down onto it like white on rice. Done correctly, a decal will not even need an overcoat if you use a decal setting solution like Solvaset. The decals become part of the paint and rarely are damaged by handling. Either choice, it always gives you the satisfaction of knowing you added something to your model. Good luck, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56263	From: Bill	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Paint conclusion

I agree with Stumpy, the currently available Floquil paints are still very usable, but I think I had better results using the old original formula that came in the square bottles, with nasty solvents and all. The original formula was harder to use on plastics, but when properly sprayed, once it dried, it seemed to become part of the plastic (the bond was THAT good). They also seemed to cover better, but the only time I ever brushed them was on wooden or cardstock models that were sealed first with model airplane dope. Everything else was done with my Binks "Wren" airbrush. I suspect that the super-finely ground pigments haven't been used since the Testors/RPM takeover, though I was once told by a paint "expert" that the super-fine pigment was a marketing myth, and today's pigments are ground just as fine, so who really knows for sure? At least we still have Floquil model railroad paints to choose from, unlike other hobby paints such as K&B Superpoxy and Petitt Hobbypoxy which are no longer available due to government regulations protecting us from ourselves. Regards, Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I have come to the conclusion that the problem I am having with some floquil paint is the brush. > > The paint seems to be fine, but when brushing, it is difficult to move after a few strokes. > > I got some nylon brushes from Michaels that where for oil paint. Someone said to use Sable brushes. > > I tried a different type of brush, I have and it seem to flow better with the brush. > > But I need more paint, so I will order brushes with the paint. > > Thanks for all the help. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56264	From: seg60133	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Mike, Many of the parts you described could have come from less rare pieces. Dozens of times I've seen sellers list common parts as coming from a 21140, 21005, etc. I ask myself, how does the seller know the parts came from a rare item? This is often a ploy to get one to bid up the price for a common item. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: Drive rods-14.99,CowCatcher-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still continues to bother me. I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts and profit. Sort of reminds me of the butcher who saw fit to destroy all of the Old Hudsons with no regard to their significance. > Sorry my Friends, but I just had to vent. Ran outa lexapro this morning and it's just been oneofthemdays. KnowwhatImean Vern? > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56265	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Paint conclusion

Actually the brand name of the paint from Testor's I am using is Model Master, as it was a color that I match up for the trim on this building. It is a oil enamel. Probably the same formula as Testor's recommend's using the brushes I ordered. I also ordered Paint thinner, as I used floquil on Plasticville with no problems. again, I think it was the brush causing me the grief. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Paint conclusion I agree with Stumpy, the currently available Floquil paints are still very usable, but I think I had better results using the old original formula that came in the square bottles, with nasty solvents and all. The original formula was harder to use on plastics, but when properly sprayed, once it dried, it seemed to become part of the plastic (the bond was THAT good). They also seemed to cover better, but the only time I ever brushed them was on wooden or cardstock models that were sealed first with model airplane dope. Everything else was done with my Binks "Wren" airbrush. I suspect that the super-finely ground pigments haven't been used since the Testors/RPM takeover, though I was once told by a paint "expert" that the super-fine pigment was a marketing myth, and today's pigments are ground just as fine, so who really knows for sure? At least we still have Floquil model railroad paints to choose from, unlike other hobby paints such as K&B Superpoxy and Petitt Hobbypoxy which are no longer available due to government regulations protecting us from ourselves. Regards, Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I have come to the conclusion that the problem I am having with some floquil paint is the brush. > > The paint seems to be fine, but when brushing, it is difficult to move after a few strokes. > > I got some nylon brushes from Michaels that where for oil paint. Someone said to use Sable brushes. > > I tried a different type of brush, I have and it seem to flow better with the brush. > > But I need more paint, so I will order brushes with the paint. > > Thanks for all the help. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56266	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/20/2009
Subject: Re: Paint conclusion/Floquil paint

I suspect that many years ago Floquil paint pigment was finely ground and the rest of the hobby paint industry finally caught up with them. Paint technology in the auto industry began changing rapidly in the fifties allowing many new colors and paint types. Automotive paints today are fantastic. To decal over Floquil's "flat" surface, I spray it with Testors Gloss Cote, decal it, and then use Dull Cote. Yes, this is a multi step process, but it works. Since Floquil makes colors that others don't it is sometimes necessary anyway. I have used Accu Flex acrylics and also Scalecoat, which need no extra steps before decaling. However, being an old time modeler who uses cheap materials like wood and cardstock and a brush painter, I still like Floquil best for much of my work. So in the end, I use different paints for different models. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56267	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Depends on the seller. Some sellers have not the knowledge and dismantle whole locos and are thus able to say what they came from. Otherwise they would not know. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: seg60133 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: E-Bay Butcher Mike, Many of the parts you described could have come from less rare pieces. Dozens of times I've seen sellers list common parts as coming from a 21140, 21005, etc. I ask myself, how does the seller know the parts came from a rare item? This is often a ploy to get one to bid up the price for a common item. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: Drive rods-14.99,CowCatcher-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still continues to bother me. I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts and profit. Sort of reminds me of the butcher who saw fit to destroy all of the Old Hudsons with no regard to their significance. > Sorry my Friends, but I just had to vent. Ran outa lexapro this morning and it's just been oneofthemdays. KnowwhatImean Vern? > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13300 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56268	From: michael prell	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: E-Bay Butcher

Steve, Perhaps you're right. However. I continue to find it difficult to accept in light of the progressive listing, one after the other, of the various stages of dis-assembly. Too convenient to be merely a random listing of parts. Anyway, the horse is dead. No need to beat it any further. Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 9/20/09, seg60133 <seg50@...> wrote: From: seg60133 <seg50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: E-Bay Butcher To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:22 PM   Mike, Many of the parts you described could have come from less rare pieces. Dozens of times I've seen sellers list common parts as coming from a 21140, 21005, etc. I ask myself, how does the seller know the parts came from a rare item? This is often a ploy to get one to bid up the price for a common item. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@... > wrote: > > Friends, I know that I've been on the rant about this subject in the past. Sorry, but here I go again. I just went to page 11 of E-Bay's American Flyer section of what they have to offer. What I found there was, in my opinion only, completely disgusting. Note! I do not blaim E-Bay for this. I blaim the individual who chose to dismantal a perfectly good K-335 into the following pieces and starting prices: Drive rods-14.99,CowCatch er-$19.99, Boiler Front-$19.99, Smoke Unit-$9.99, Engine Cab-$49.99, Drive gear base-$29.99, and last but not least, the motor for $29.99 for a starting bid total of $174.93. > Now, I've read all of the collective reasoning both pro and con about this practice and yet after all of the discussion this practice still continues to bother me. I guess the reason remains that I, as a lifelong American Flyer fan cannot stand to see a perfectly good engine such as this no doubt was, broken up for parts and profit. Sort of reminds me of the butcher who saw fit to destroy all of the Old Hudsons with no regard to their significance. > Sorry my Friends, but I just had to vent. Ran outa lexapro this morning and it's just been oneofthemdays. KnowwhatImean Vern? > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56269	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Zippy Print

We took the Zippy print to Michael's yesterday and they have it for framing. It will be in non glare glass with a neat wood frame and double matted to match some colors on the print. A light gray and green. It only cost $65. Might be ready by the end of this week. Zippy stuck forever in Plasticville, USA. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56270	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Message Archives

Hi All, Has anyone else noticed that when searching the message archives any messages since March 2009 do not show up? I am assuming this is a Yahoo problem. Can the moderator(s) look into this? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56271	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: Message Archives

----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 Has anyone else noticed that when searching the message archives any messages since March 2009 do not show up? I am assuming this is a Yahoo problem. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > It is a Yahoo problem. Yahoo notified moderators several months ago that they are aware of it and are working on it. Maybe they will fix it some day. Tom Hawley Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13310 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56272	From: michael prell	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Clarification

Frank Soltesz signed his illustrated cover of the 1952 American Flyer Trains & Gilbert Toys catalog. It appears (on the one I'm looking at) at the bottom right side of the Hudson's front left truck wheel. It's done in yellow paint. The catalog included the 1952 price list for that year.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56273	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: old/new bilboard

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/221815034/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=401&count=20&dir=asc This is a old billboard that I came across while riding my bike on the York RT in PA. This billboard is in New Freedom, PA and could only be seem by passengers on the passenger train that ran till 1971 or so. The billboard was erected in the 1940's and the store when out of business in the early 70's. A train friend is going to size the billboard only for me at 2" x 4.25 inches. I will print this out and make a billboard, as it will be another piece of the puzzle on the layout of a long gone furniture store, but the dilapidated billboard hangs on. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56274	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem, repeat request

OK, maybe sending a post for help on Friday night is a bad idea since no one responded. Also, you had to go to the photo section to understand the problem and maybe I was expecting too much. So, let me try to make it a little easier. Below is a direct link to the photo I posted and below that is my original post. You can blow the photo up by clicking on "large" or "original" to get a better view. One point, the red and the black wire next to it, are attached to a position below the plan where the green and the other black wires are attached. We need a 3D view. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc AF 283 problem Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@...?Subject= Re%3AAF%20283%20problem>trwalton@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1 Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:33 pm (PDT) I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate the barrow as an intermittent problem. I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2387 - Release Date: 09/21/09 17:55:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56275	From: Ed	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: Message Archives

This is my yahoo message. Report your problem as requested below. <http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2009/03/17/groups-search-update/> Groups Message Search Update March 17, 2009 at 10:47 pm . Filed under General <http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/category/general/> First off, thank you to all of you who have been affected by this issue and have waited patiently while our team works to resolve the problem. We have been working hard to complete a new, more powerful and scalable search system (rather than simply patching the old system as we had done in the past), which is why this fix has taken longer to complete. But, we're happy to let you know that the team is in the final stages of QA-ing the new system (checking for bugs, testing for stability, etc.); and if all goes well, we should be able to start switching over affected groups in the next 2 weeks. Eventually all groups will be switched over to this new system, but since we don't the capacity to move all groups to the new system immediately (there are more than 5 billion messages and 40 terabytes of data to index!), we want to first address the groups who are having message search problems. If the search bug has impacted your group and you'd like to ensure that it is on the list for migration, please click on the link <http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p6290938.aspx> below. (Note: If you have already reported the problem to Customer Care, it is not necessary to do so again. We have your information already. On the other hand, reporting the problem a second time won't hurt either, so if your group is having search issues and you're not sure absolutely sure it has been reported, go ahead and complete the form). This link will take you to a site where you'll be asked to provide: . The email address of your Group (this is listed at the bottom of the home page of the group in the list of group email addresses-so, if you were the Moderator for Moderator Central, you'd enter moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com). NOTE: If this issue affects more than one of your groups, please enter each group address on a separate line in the form. . Your role within the Group (Member, Moderator, Owner, none) . Your email address (please use the email address that you have registered with Yahoo! Groups-if you have multiple email addresses registered with Yahoo! Groups, please enter them all.) <http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p6290938.aspx> Click here if your group is having Search Problems. If you have already reported your group's search issue to Customer Care, remember that you do not need to fill out this form. If your group is not currently experiencing search issues, please do not fill out the form. Your group will be migrated over to this new system in the near future, but in the meantime, we want to ensure that all impacted groups are taken care of before we begin migrating over groups that are not having any search problems. Thanks for your patience and understanding while we work together to fix this problem! Melissa Daniels Yahoo! Community Manager From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Message Archives ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 Has anyone else noticed that when searching the message archives any messages since March 2009 do not show up? I am assuming this is a Yahoo problem. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > It is a Yahoo problem. Yahoo notified moderators several months ago that they are aware of it and are working on it. Maybe they will fix it some day. Tom Hawley Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13310 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56276	From: portlines	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request

Oops.....sorry. It's Clinic #10, not 11. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56277	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: More Layout Videos Posted

Hi All, I've posted two more layout videos to YouTube. You can watch them at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOkbhoxvYoM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khy7i55eG6U Attention Mike M: Stray cats have invaded my layout also. One of them is standing atop the tank car unloading pump house - see him?????? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56278	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: FYI: Fixing AF track switches

I was cleaning up my upstair's storage area and was going through some back issues of Classic Toy Trains. Ran across an excellent article on how to 'Fix Flyer Track Switches' by John Reddington - it is in the November 2005 issue on page 78 to 80. Very nice article with lots of pictures. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56279	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request

Just a few notes on your problem from an AF 'newbie'. There is a wiring diagram on the Portline web site so that will give you a start: <http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic10.htm> At least you can trace out the wiring and try to see what is going on. One thing that pops out for me is that it sounds like the e-unit is not working right. I am right in the middle of that with my 'new' (and first AF engine) 310 - in my case, it was physically obvious as I operated the e-unit by hand that the drum was not cycling. Again in my case, the problem was the 'pawl' (the little metal hook that translates the electrical solenoid into a rotary action on the drum) was not pivoting due to corrosion on the pivot. I've freed that up with a shot of WD-10 and a bit of light oil and that seems to be working again. Again the source of my knowledge was the Portline's site and their collection of 'repair clinics': <http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic23.htm>. So, bottom line: 1. I'm not an expert (that should be obvious) 2. I suspect your e-unit 3. Lots of good stuff on Portline site! Have fun while I go downstairs and try to find the washer I dropped on the floor (Murphy rules!). Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56280	From: portlines	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request

Ted, On our website, click on AF REPAIR CLINICS, and then select Clinic #11.... you'll see the 3D image you want. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ted Walton <trwalton@...> wrote: > > > > OK, maybe sending a post for help on Friday night is a bad idea since > no one responded. Also, you had to go to the photo section to > understand the problem and maybe I was expecting too much. So, let me > try to make it a little easier. Below is a direct link to the photo I > posted and below that is my original post. You can blow the photo up > by clicking on "large" or "original" to get a better view. One point, > the red and the black wire next to it, are attached to a position > below the plan where the green and the other black wires are > attached. We need a 3D view. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > AF 283 problem > > > > > Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@...?Subject= > Re%3AAF%20283%20problem>trwalton@... > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1 > > > > > Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:33 pm (PDT) > > I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an > incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to > reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral > and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. > Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. > Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate > the barrow as an intermittent problem. > I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my > album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that > appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes > where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the > red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine > run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with > resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. > Ted > > ---------- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2387 - Release Date: 09/21/09 17:55:00 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56281	From: clheistand	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: 735 passenger car

I aquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56282	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: A/F E-unit

Bob, Get rid of the "oil" on the e-unit and adjust the pawl. The oil will eventually gather dust, dirt, etc and foul up the e-unit again. Shame ACG couldn't use DC current effectively. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56283	From: portlines	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@...> wrote: > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56284	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

The only material I have found industrially is something called "fishpaper". It is fibrous, I used it as an electrical insulator in instrumentation. It comes in controlled thicknesses and can be cut with an xacto knife. Someone would have to measure the thickness of an existing piece to see what to get or get a variety of thicknesses and experiment to figure out which would work.   Bill Drake with lots of thunderbooming in St. Louis --- On Mon, 9/21/09, portlines <doug@...> wrote: From: portlines <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:06 PM   Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@ ...> wrote: > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56285	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Just as an adder - "fish paper" has been a commonly used electrical insulation material for about 100 years. Gilbert would have been familiar with it in the making of transformers and the appliance products. When they needed a stable material that could be punched from sheets for the stockyard, Guilford Station and 735 and 736 cars, it would have been a natural. It comes in a variety of gray to black colors as well. Google "fish paper" and suppliers will show up - probably some in your area.   Bill Drake Still thundering and lightning in St. Louis --- On Mon, 9/21/09, portlines <doug@...> wrote: From: portlines <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:06 PM   Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@ ...> wrote: > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56286	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

In MHO even #600 Emory paper would be too course. Try going smaller if you can find it. I'd use 1200 if available.. Steve In a message dated 09/21/2009 8:45:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ee_train@... writes: The only material I have found industrially is something called "fishpaper". It is fibrous, I used it as an electrical insulator in instrumentation. It comes in controlled thicknesses and can be cut with an xacto knife. Someone would have to measure the thickness of an existing piece to see what to get or get a variety of thicknesses and experiment to figure out which would work. Bill Drake with lots of thunderbooming in St. Louis --- On Mon, 9/21/09, portlines <_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) > wrote: From: portlines <_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:06 PM Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@ ...> wrote: > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56287	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: A/F E-unit

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Bob, > > Get rid of the "oil" on the e-unit and adjust the pawl. The oil will > eventually gather dust, dirt, etc and foul up the e-unit again. Shame ACG > couldn't use DC current effectively. > > Jim Lyle > I can certainly tackle cleaning the oil off (kind of worried about crud building up again anyways) but my problem was corrosion on and around the pawl pivot area and I had to get it clean somehow. I'll clean it up (i.e. get the oil off) and leave it alone. You mentioned '..adjusting the pawl.' Could you elaborate on that a bit? Bob Groh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56288	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Bill, In St. Louis, I'm in Flippin, Ar. ( 4 miles west of Buzzard Roust and 1.5 miles south of toad suck..No shit..real places )and I'll trump your thunder with two lighting strikes and 4.5 in. of rain. Wanta switch??? Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:13:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Me, boss31@... writes: In MHO even #600 Emory paper would be too course. Try going smaller if you can find it. I'd use 1200 if available.. Steve In a message dated 09/21/2009 8:45:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _ee_train@...__ (mailto:ee_train@...) writes: The only material I have found industrially is something called "fishpaper". It is fibrous, I used it as an electrical insulator in instrumentation. It comes in controlled thicknesses and can be cut with an xacto knife. Someone would have to measure the thickness of an existing piece to see what to get or get a variety of thicknesses and experiment to figure out which would work. Bill Drake with lots of thunderbooming in St. Louis --- On Mon, 9/21/09, portlines <__doug@portlines._do_ (mailto:_doug@...) _ (mailto:_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) ) > wrote: From: portlines <__doug@portlines._do_ (mailto:_doug@...) _ (mailto:_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) ) > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:06 PM Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@ ...> wrote: > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56289	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

It's on its way here for the night. No trade desired. --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> wrote: From: Dagenais01@... <Dagenais01@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 10:18 PM   Bill, In St. Louis, I'm in Flippin, Ar. ( 4 miles west of Buzzard Roust and 1.5 miles south of toad suck..No shit..real places )and I'll trump your thunder with two lighting strikes and 4.5 in. of rain. Wanta switch??? Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:13:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Me, boss31@... writes: In MHO even #600 Emory paper would be too course. Try going smaller if you can find it. I'd use 1200 if available.. Steve In a message dated 09/21/2009 8:45:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _ee_train@yahoo. ee__ (mailto:ee_train@yahoo. com) writes: The only material I have found industrially is something called "fishpaper". It is fibrous, I used it as an electrical insulator in instrumentation. It comes in controlled thicknesses and can be cut with an xacto knife. Someone would have to measure the thickness of an existing piece to see what to get or get a variety of thicknesses and experiment to figure out which would work. Bill Drake with lots of thunderbooming in St. Louis --- On Mon, 9/21/09, portlines <__doug@portlines. _do_ (mailto:_doug@portlines. dou) _ (mailto:_doug@portlines. dou_ (mailto:doug@portlines. com) ) > wrote: From: portlines <__doug@portlines. _do_ (mailto:_doug@portlines. dou) _ (mailto:_doug@portlines. dou_ (mailto:doug@portlines. com) ) > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou To: _S-Train_S-Trains@ yahoogroupS- Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) ) Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:06 PM Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@ ...> wrote: > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56290	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/21/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem, repeat request

Hi Ted,                  I looked at the wiring diagram for the 283/293 Locomotives.  This diagram is incorrect for the 283.  That wiring diagram is for a XA10513 Smoke Unit used from 1948 to 1953.  Locomotives in that time frame used a XA10663 Four Prong Plug and a 4 or 5 hole Receptacle XA10662 or XA10662A.  The correct smoke unit for a 283 is XA13B894.  This smoke unit wired down the middle rather than side by side.  All steam locomotives for 1954 to 1957 were direct wired.  Steam Locomotives for 1958 to 1966 used a 2 prong plug except the 21088 & 21089 and 21160.   The correct wiring from the XA13B894 Smoke unit to rear of the loco would be for a 21085, which can be found in the same grouping of A.C. Gilbert wiring diagrams as the 283/293.   There were no 283's made in 1953.  I'm not sure that this will help you with the reverse unit problem, but if you look at your smoke unit you will see the solder terminals are down the middle.                                                  Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Ted Walton <trwalton@...> wrote: From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 283 problem, repeat request To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:39 PM   OK, maybe sending a post for help on Friday night is a bad idea since no one responded. Also, you had to go to the photo section to understand the problem and maybe I was expecting too much. So, let me try to make it a little easier. Below is a direct link to the photo I posted and below that is my original post. You can blow the photo up by clicking on "large" or "original" to get a better view. One point, the red and the black wire next to it, are attached to a position below the plan where the green and the other black wires are attached. We need a 3D view. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 656690669/ pic/1346662086/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc AF 283 problem Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@verizon. net?Subject= Re%3AAF%20283% 20problem>trwalton@verizon. net <http://profiles. yahoo.com/ trwalton1>trwalton1 Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:33 pm (PDT) I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate the barrow as an intermittent problem. I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2387 - Release Date: 09/21/09 17:55:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56291	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Replacing windows in Mini-craft buildings

Hello Group, I am replacing the windows in a Mini-craft #161 Bungalow.. I need a recommendation for the best type of glue to hold the windows in place.. What works best ? Thank you - Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56292	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Re: Replacing windows in Mini-craft buildings

Mike,      We use TOMBO brand MONOADHESIVE permanent found at office depot. No muss - no fuss. It comes on a roll in a dispenser and costs around $4.00 per unit.      Really great stuff. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Tue, 9/22/09, mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> wrote: From: mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Replacing windows in Mini-craft buildings To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 12:27 PM   Hello Group, I am replacing the windows in a Mini-craft #161 Bungalow.. I need a recommendation for the best type of glue to hold the windows in place.. What works best ? Thank you - Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56293	From: Jack	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: AF REPRO TRUCKS

Several years ago, there was a person that sold repro diecast AF trucks, that were made in Bulgaria (I think). They were priced around $3.00 each. Does anyone know who this was? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56294	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem

Doug P., Bob G., and Tom S.; thanks for the replies. I get the messages in digest format so it takes a couple days for me to see your responses and reply. And I just finished replacing the rear brake cylinders on my 85 Mercury - at 78 I'm getting too old to craw under the cars anymore. I'm tired. Anyway, engine wires run directly to the tender - no plugs, and appears to be 5 wires unless my eyes are getting too full of grit from repair and bleeding the brakes on the Mercury. So with Tom S. description, the 283 must be a 54 to 57 model with direct wiring. The current wiring and soldering looks a little sloppy, so that's why I was concerned that someone may have done a poor/incorrect job before I got the engine. I have cleaned up the e-unit with contact cleaner and had lightly oiled the pivot points for the drum ( not the drum itself). May have to take a second look at its operation. I need to sit down and study the wiring diagrams you all have suggest and re-compare them with mine. Maybe I do need to interchange the two wire I mentioned earlier in my post. Thanks again and I will let the group know the results. Ted Walton Annandale, VA At 06:03 AM 9/22/2009 Ted Walton wrote: >OK, maybe sending a post for help on Friday night is a bad idea since >no one responded. Also, you had to go to the photo section to >understand the problem and maybe I was expecting too much. So, let me >try to make it a little easier. Below is a direct link to the photo I >posted and below that is my original post. You can blow the photo up >by clicking on "large" or "original" to get a better view. One point, >the red and the black wire next to it, are attached to a position >below the plan where the green and the other black wires are >attached. We need a 3D view. > ><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc >AF 283 problem >Posted by: "Ted Walton" ><mailto:<mailto:trwalton%40verizon.net>trwalton@...?Subject= >Re%3AAF%20283%20problem><mailto:trwalton%40verizon.net>trwalton@... ><<http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1 >Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:33 pm (PDT) >I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an >incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to >reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral >and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. >Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. >Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate >the barrow as an intermittent problem. >I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my >album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that >appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes >where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the >red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine >run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with >resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. Ted Walton > >Posted by: "zemouse2001" <mailto:bob.groh@...?Subject= >Re%3A%20AF%20283%20problem%2C%20repeat%20request>bob.groh@... > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/zemouse2001>zemouse2001 > >Just a few notes on your problem from an AF 'newbie'. >There is a wiring diagram on the Portline web site so that will give >you a start: ><<http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic10.htm>http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic10.htm> >At least you can trace out the wiring and try to see what is going on. >One thing that pops out for me is that it sounds like the e-unit is >not working right. I am right in the middle of that with my 'new' >(and first AF engine) 310 - in my case, it was physically obvious as >I operated the e-unit by hand that the drum was not cycling. Again >in my case, the problem was the 'pawl' (the little metal hook that >translates the electrical solenoid into a rotary action on the drum) >was not pivoting due to corrosion on the pivot. I've freed that up >with a shot of WD-10 and a bit of light oil and that seems to be >working again. >So, bottom line: >1. I'm not an expert (that should be obvious) >2. I suspect your e-unit >3. Lots of good stuff on Portline site! >Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri > > >Posted by: "portlines" <mailto:doug@...?Subject= >Re%3A%20AF%20283%20problem%2C%20repeat%20request>doug@... > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/portlines>portlines > > >Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:50 pm (PDT) > >Ted, >On our website, click on AF REPAIR CLINICS, and then select Clinic >#11.... you'll see the 3D image you want. >Doug Peck >Port Lines > >Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" ><mailto:trainsandhobbies@...?Subject= >Re%3A%20AF%20283%20problem%2C%20repeat%20request>trainsandhobbies@... ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/trainsandhobbies>trainsandhobbies > >Hi Ted, > I looked at the wiring diagram for the 283/293 > Locomotives. This diagram is incorrect for the 283. That wiring > diagram is for a XA10513 Smoke Unit used from 1948 to > 1953. Locomotives in that time frame used a XA10663 Four Prong > Plug and a 4 or 5 hole Receptacle XA10662 or XA10662A. The correct > smoke unit for a 283 is XA13B894. This smoke unit wired down the > middle rather than side by side. All steam locomotives for 1954 to > 1957 were direct wired. Steam Locomotives for 1958 to 1966 used a > 2 prong plug except the 21088 & 21089 and 21160. The correct > wiring from the XA13B894 Smoke unit to rear of the loco would be > for a 21085, which can be found in the same grouping of A.C. > Gilbert wiring diagrams as the 283/293. There were no 283's made > in 1953. I'm not sure that this will help you with the reverse > unit problem, but if you look at your smoke unit you will see the > solder terminals are down the middle. > Tom Seccia ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2387 - Release Date: 09/21/09 17:55:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Bullsheet Website

http://www.bullsheet.com/index.html An interesting webpage on things real train related in the MD/DC/PA area. The last issue was Sept. 2005. This is where I found some information on the billboard in New Freedom. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56296	From: portlines	Date: 9/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF REPRO TRUCKS

Jack, We have plenty of them, but they have never been that cheap! They are $14 per pair. They can be ordered directly from our website AF Parts Catalog. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jack" <CRCSDiv@...> wrote: > > Several years ago, there was a person that sold repro diecast AF trucks, that were made in Bulgaria (I think). They were priced around $3.00 each. Does anyone know who this was? > > Jack >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56297	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Repairing 21160 shell

Hi everyone, Our 21160 took its second header five feet to a concrete floor at last Saturday's open house and broke 3 screw mounts out of the shell. One appears to be cracked and repairable, the front two are missing pieces. I asked on the chat group and folks say the broken mounts can be repaired either by using foil and filling with some sort of epoxy and drilling and tapping. I have a spare 21160 shell graciously given to me by a fellow member on this group, but until I get scenery installed to prevent recurring high dives, I'd prefer to repair this poor old shell and run it for the time being. I could use the mounts on the good 21160 shell to make a mold. Someone mentioned they thought there was an article in the S Gaugian on doing such a repair. While I have some experience making molds and casting, I would appreciate anything you might have on this subject, either advice or an article or a site on the net. On its maiden dive its pilot broke off and it now it has a toothless grin. I have considered using it as a double header loco since it now has room for a front coupler. I'd like to get this poor old soldier running again by the next open house on Oct. 17. You can see the precarious route it must traverse in the photo section under G, O, & S layout photos. I think it is in some of the photos in better condition than it is now, on my workbench. By the way, what size and thread are the front mounting screws so I can obtain a proper tap and drill? Thanks very much in advance for any help you can provide. I've got to start taking better care of my trains!!! Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56298	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell

You can purchase a new replacement shell from Hobby Surplus Sales in Connecticut.   I think they are about $15.00.   al Paolozzi    amflyral@... --- On Wed, 9/23/09, rwferr1 <rwferr@...> wrote: From: rwferr1 <rwferr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing 21160 shell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 9:07 AM   Hi everyone, Our 21160 took its second header five feet to a concrete floor at last Saturday's open house and broke 3 screw mounts out of the shell. One appears to be cracked and repairable, the front two are missing pieces. I asked on the chat group and folks say the broken mounts can be repaired either by using foil and filling with some sort of epoxy and drilling and tapping. I have a spare 21160 shell graciously given to me by a fellow member on this group, but until I get scenery installed to prevent recurring high dives, I'd prefer to repair this poor old shell and run it for the time being. I could use the mounts on the good 21160 shell to make a mold. Someone mentioned they thought there was an article in the S Gaugian on doing such a repair. While I have some experience making molds and casting, I would appreciate anything you might have on this subject, either advice or an article or a site on the net. On its maiden dive its pilot broke off and it now it has a toothless grin. I have considered using it as a double header loco since it now has room for a front coupler. I'd like to get this poor old soldier running again by the next open house on Oct. 17. You can see the precarious route it must traverse in the photo section under G, O, & S layout photos. I think it is in some of the photos in better condition than it is now, on my workbench. By the way, what size and thread are the front mounting screws so I can obtain a proper tap and drill? Thanks very much in advance for any help you can provide. I've got to start taking better care of my trains!!! Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56299	From: mikenguy9	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Flyer couplers parts

Did American Flyer ever make the parts for replacing individual parts for their knuckle couplers? Some guy on Ebay has what looks like the weights for the couplers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56300	From: portlines	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer couplers parts

We have all 6 parts of the AF knuckle coupler available as separate parts. You'll find them in our website AF PARTS CATALOG under COUPLERS. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > Did American Flyer ever make the parts for replacing individual parts for their knuckle couplers?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56301	From: The Laniers	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell

The screws holding the 21160 chassis to the plastic boiler are AF part # S319, which is a #6x5/6" type Z, or self tapping screw. Therefore, you do not need to tap , or thread the hole. The proper screw makes its own threads in the plastic. This is generally true whenever you have metal screws going into plastic. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: rwferr1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing 21160 shell Hi everyone, Our 21160 took its second header five feet to a concrete floor at last Saturday's open house and broke 3 screw mounts out of the shell. One appears to be cracked and repairable, the front two are missing pieces. I asked on the chat group and folks say the broken mounts can be repaired either by using foil and filling with some sort of epoxy and drilling and tapping. I have a spare 21160 shell graciously given to me by a fellow member on this group, but until I get scenery installed to prevent recurring high dives, I'd prefer to repair this poor old shell and run it for the time being. I could use the mounts on the good 21160 shell to make a mold. Someone mentioned they thought there was an article in the S Gaugian on doing such a repair. While I have some experience making molds and casting, I would appreciate anything you might have on this subject, either advice or an article or a site on the net. On its maiden dive its pilot broke off and it now it has a toothless grin. I have considered using it as a double header loco since it now has room for a front coupler. I'd like to get this poor old soldier running again by the next open house on Oct. 17. You can see the precarious route it must traverse in the photo section under G, O, & S layout photos. I think it is in some of the photos in better condition than it is now, on my workbench. By the way, what size and thread are the front mounting screws so I can obtain a proper tap and drill? Thanks very much in advance for any help you can provide. I've got to start taking better care of my trains!!! Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56302	From: portlines	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell

Herb, I assume you mean a 5/16" screw, not a 5/6" !!! Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The Laniers" <hblanier@...> wrote: > > The screws holding the 21160 chassis to the plastic boiler are AF part # S319, which is a #6x5/6" type Z, or self tapping screw. Therefore, you do not need to tap , or thread the hole. The proper screw makes its own threads in the plastic. This is generally true whenever you have metal screws going into plastic.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56303	From: The Laniers	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell

Doug, Yes, you're right, 5/16" long; sorry for the typo. paflyrman . ----- Original Message ----- From: portlines To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Repairing 21160 shell Herb, I assume you mean a 5/16" screw, not a 5/6" !!! Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The Laniers" <hblanier@...> wrote: > > The screws holding the 21160 chassis to the plastic boiler are AF part # S319, which is a #6x5/6" type Z, or self tapping screw. Therefore, you do not need to tap , or thread the hole. The proper screw makes its own threads in the plastic. This is generally true whenever you have metal screws going into plastic. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56304	From: Jerry	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Hey Bill, Thanks for the lead on the fish paper. Not only can I use it for repairs, but also on a "phantom" accessory I made a couple of years ago. It's an oil drum loader that I saw as part of a rare collection of items Gilbert thought of making and never got past the prototype stage. Now, I'll check my local electronic supply stores for it. Online suppliers want to sell a 10"x24" by 510 foot roll! Besides going to the local place will give me a chance to browse the shelves for goodies! It's the same reason I don't subscribe to a lot of train magazines. The local hobby shop carries them and even though they don't carry "S", it's still an excuse to go there. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 S Spree Dearborn, MI PS We will be announcing a special offer concerning the Spree in a few months... stay tuned. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > The only material I have found industrially is something called "fishpaper". It is fibrous, I used it as an electrical insulator in instrumentation. It comes in controlled thicknesses and can be cut with an xacto knife. Someone would have to measure the thickness of an existing piece to see what to get or get a variety of thicknesses and experiment to figure out which would work. > > Bill Drake > with lots of thunderbooming in St. Louis > > --- On Mon, 9/21/09, portlines doug@... wrote: > > > From: portlines doug@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:06 PM > > > > > > > Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. > If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > www.flyerparts. com > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@ ...> wrote: > > > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56305	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Jerry-   Should be places that sell it by the roughly 24" x 30" sheet. The roll stuff is curly and will be a problem.   try these people   http://www.electricalinsulationmaterial.com/fish-paper.html   I have had luck calling them up and explaining that it is a hobby application and I just need one sheet - and they or their rep delivered a sample - processing an order for a small amount was more trouble than just giving me one.   Or you can get the roll and become the supplier to the S gauge community for replacements for all of the vibrating accessories.   What kind of other prototypes did you discover?   Bill   On location in Atlanta for this evening --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Jerry <poniaj@...> wrote: From: Jerry <poniaj@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 5:09 PM   Hey Bill, Thanks for the lead on the fish paper. Not only can I use it for repairs, but also on a "phantom" accessory I made a couple of years ago. It's an oil drum loader that I saw as part of a rare collection of items Gilbert thought of making and never got past the prototype stage. Now, I'll check my local electronic supply stores for it. Online suppliers want to sell a 10"x24" by 510 foot roll! Besides going to the local place will give me a chance to browse the shelves for goodies! It's the same reason I don't subscribe to a lot of train magazines. The local hobby shop carries them and even though they don't carry "S", it's still an excuse to go there. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 S Spree Dearborn, MI PS We will be announcing a special offer concerning the Spree in a few months... stay tuned. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@.. .> wrote: > > The only material I have found industrially is something called "fishpaper". It is fibrous, I used it as an electrical insulator in instrumentation. It comes in controlled thicknesses and can be cut with an xacto knife. Someone would have to measure the thickness of an existing piece to see what to get or get a variety of thicknesses and experiment to figure out which would work. > > Bill Drake > with lots of thunderbooming in St. Louis > > --- On Mon, 9/21/09, portlines doug@... wrote: > > > From: portlines doug@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:06 PM > > > > > > > Only available from a "junker" car, or find a junk stockyard with an intact mat and cut one from that mat. > If all that fails, I have often recommended cutting a replacement from 400 or 600 grit black emery paper. I think it would work, but I have never actually attempted it myself. Has anyone else???? > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > www.flyerparts. com > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "clheistand" <clheistand@ ...> wrote: > > > > I acquired a 735 passenger car and I noticed that it didn't have the mat inside the car for the people to move around on. I was wondering if any one knew where to get that mat at? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56306	From: rep928	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Pacific trailing trucks

My under restoration 293 Pacific was missing its trailing truck. I have a spare trailing truck from a 312 Pacific. Are they the same? The photos aren't clear. Also, there is small hole in front of the boiler on top of the cowcatcher. What (if anything) goes in there? I have restored it to full operation and it runs and smokes really well. Thanks! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56307	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Bug remover

Last York I purchased a 21145 very nice engine, as I really was looking for a 21115 to complete a set. But I do need the 21145 so I figure this would be the next set to work on. Since I have some down time from the layout, I figure I would look and see what cars I already have for it on hand. One car that goes with the set is 24539 NH Flat car with 3 silver plastic pipes. I do have this car for that set, but one pipe had allot of residue from scotch tape, real bad. So, I figure let me try something, as if nothing worked or it makes it worse, I would have to replace it anyway. I thought of using goof off as that is real strong and I need it might take off any silver paint if any on these pipes. So, I though bug and tar remover for autos might work, since it is made not to damage paint. Well, with a little elbow work, it got the tape residue completely off. Probably vintage 1958 tape residue mind you. LOL Finally, I have had some success in not messing up some vintage AF product even though this is not a very valuable car. But I did it. Ahh, finally the smell of success vs. all the past damage I have done to engines. LOL Victory is mine. What else can add with these sayings. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56308	From: portlines	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Jerry, You may want to Google that again and look a little deeper. I think I found a place where you could buy it in single sheets......I believe they were 10x24 sheets for under $5.00 I didn't record where I found it, so I'm not sure......it may have been the same place you found the 510' rolls (for about $250 ????)...it was just a different quantity listing of the same item. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Hey Bill, > > Thanks for the lead on the fish paper. Not only can I use it for > repairs, but also on a "phantom" accessory I made a couple of years ago. > It's an oil drum loader that I saw as part of a rare collection of items > Gilbert thought of making and never got past the prototype stage. Now, > I'll check my local electronic supply stores for it. Online suppliers > want to sell a 10"x24" by 510 foot roll! ........ > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar, 2010 S Spree > Dearborn, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56309	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/23/2009
Subject: Re: Repairing 21160 shell

Hi Ron, You can see photos showing how I repaired some broken boiler shell screw posts using JB Weld and a soda straw here: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 It's a simple repair and still holding strong after several years! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rwferr1" <rwferr@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > Our 21160 took its second header five feet to a concrete floor at last Saturday's open house and broke 3 screw mounts out of the shell. One appears to be cracked and repairable, the front two are missing pieces. > I asked on the chat group and folks say the broken mounts can be repaired either by using foil and filling with some sort of epoxy and drilling and tapping. I have a spare 21160 shell graciously given to me by a fellow member on this group, but until I get scenery installed to prevent recurring high dives, I'd prefer to repair this poor old shell and run it for the time being. I could use the mounts on the good 21160 shell to make a mold. Someone mentioned they thought there was an article in the S Gaugian on doing such a repair. While I have some experience making molds and casting, I would appreciate anything you might have on this subject, either advice or an article or a site on the net. On its maiden dive its pilot broke off and it now it has a toothless grin. I have considered using it as a double header loco since it now has room for a front coupler. I'd like to get this poor old soldier running again by the next open house on Oct. 17. You can see the precarious route it must traverse in the photo section under G, O, & S layout photos. I think it is in some of the photos in better condition than it is now, on my workbench. > > By the way, what size and thread are the front mounting screws so I can obtain a proper tap and drill? > > Thanks very much in advance for any help you can provide. > > I've got to start taking better care of my trains!!! > > Ron Ferrel > Pocatello, Idaho >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56310	From: Jerry	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Guys, Thanks for the leads on the paper. I didn't have time to look deeper on the sites. I had a car repair to do and finish up a house painting project. Retirement is great, but I have to save money by doing things myself around here any more. But then, I've been dong that for a long time. I'll look when things calm down around here. I want to try my local electronics stores first. As far as becoming a supplier.... well, that will have to be up to someone else. That prototype I referred to was one of many in an article in CTT a few years ago. I forgot the issue, but again, when things calm down around here..... I based an RDC I scratch built on one of the items in the article. The RDC was later featured in the S Gaugian. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "portlines" <doug@...> wrote: > > Jerry, > You may want to Google that again and look a little deeper. I think I found a place where you could buy it in single sheets......I believe they were 10x24 sheets for under $5.00 > I didn't record where I found it, so I'm not sure......it may have been the same place you found the 510' rolls (for about $250 ????)...it was just a different quantity listing of the same item. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > www.flyerparts.com > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@> wrote: > > > > Hey Bill, > > > > Thanks for the lead on the fish paper. Not only can I use it for > > repairs, but also on a "phantom" accessory I made a couple of years ago. > > It's an oil drum loader that I saw as part of a rare collection of items > > Gilbert thought of making and never got past the prototype stage. Now, > > I'll check my local electronic supply stores for it. Online suppliers > > want to sell a 10"x24" by 510 foot roll! ........ > > Jerry Poniatowski > > Registrar, 2010 S Spree > > Dearborn, MI >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56311	From: David	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: #916 Canister Decal

Good Morning All, We have been asked to produce decals for the canisters in the AF #916 & #24113 Delaware and Hudson Gondola. We have posted a photo of the results in our album here at the group web site. The link below will take those members interested to the page. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/7136931/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56312	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: #916 Canister Decal

Hi Dave,                       There are stickers and dry transfers available for the cannisters.  You may want to rethink making those decals.                                              Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, David <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] #916 Canister Decal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:33 AM   Good Morning All, We have been asked to produce decals for the canisters in the AF #916 & #24113 Delaware and Hudson Gondola. We have posted a photo of the results in our album here at the group web site. The link below will take those members interested to the page. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/7136931/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56313	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pacific trailing trucks

The wheels and axle is the same, but the drawbar they are mounted to is different because these engines pulled different tenders. The later, five diget engines used a completely different (and more correct to the real thing) cast trailing truck, but this would be wrong for your engine and again would use yet another drawbar. Stumpy Stone...kit basher extraordinare...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56314	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: #916 Canister Decal

Tom,      Already produced and we have sold quite a few. These look better than stickers and are a lot easier to apply than dry transfers. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #916 Canister Decal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:59 AM   Hi Dave,                       There are stickers and dry transfers available for the cannisters.  You may want to rethink making those decals.                                              Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] #916 Canister Decal To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:33 AM   Good Morning All, We have been asked to produce decals for the canisters in the AF #916 & #24113 Delaware and Hudson Gondola. We have posted a photo of the results in our album here at the group web site. The link below will take those members interested to the page. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/7136931/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56315	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: 735 passenger car

Both Digikey and Mouser offered those pieces but the details discussed rolls. It may be possible to iron these to flatten them, but I found it difficult to deal with rolled product.   Bill Drake --- On Wed, 9/23/09, portlines <doug@...> wrote: From: portlines <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 735 passenger car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 8:13 PM   Jerry, You may want to Google that again and look a little deeper. I think I found a place where you could buy it in single sheets...... I believe they were 10x24 sheets for under $5.00 I didn't record where I found it, so I'm not sure......it may have been the same place you found the 510' rolls (for about $250 ????)...it was just a different quantity listing of the same item. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Hey Bill, > > Thanks for the lead on the fish paper. Not only can I use it for > repairs, but also on a "phantom" accessory I made a couple of years ago. > It's an oil drum loader that I saw as part of a rare collection of items > Gilbert thought of making and never got past the prototype stage. Now, > I'll check my local electronic supply stores for it. Online suppliers > want to sell a 10"x24" by 510 foot roll! ........ > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar, 2010 S Spree > Dearborn, MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56316	From: race944t	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: PM hayjector activator

Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56317	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Brushes

My two sets of sable brushes came today, so now I get to see if it was the brushes I was using the real problem with the paint. In cleaning brushes with oil, is okay to re-use brush cleaner or should I really be using fresh cleaner? Thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56318	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56319	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Brushes

Hi Mike, Here is what has worked well for me for a long time for Testors enamel, Model Master series, Floquil, Rustoleum and nail polish. I keep small a jar of the appropriate brush cleaner handy. I like to use lacquer thinner. I change this stuff after it begins to look bad. I consider bad to be when stuff is accumulating on the bottom of the jar. The jar is glass and never more than about 3/4 inch full of thinner. It is easy to see through the bottom. For non-solvent based paints like Tamiya, use a small jar of water for the first step. After I swish the brush in the thinner and wipe it a bunch on the inside of the jar, I wipe the excess thinner off on paper towels. Next, I head to the sink and wash the brush again in dish-washing detergent and water. Just a drop of detergent in the palm of my hand and really work the bristles. Then I rinse it thoroughly and wipe it dry. It sounds like a lot of work, but, it takes less than a minute in practice. The thinner lasts a long time and the brushes last for decades. If I am going to use the brush right away, I skip the soap and water step until the very end. A brush wet with water is not good for solvent-based paints. Keep us posted. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:14 PM To: Toy Trains; S Scale; S trains Subject: [S-Trains] Brushes My two sets of sable brushes came today, so now I get to see if it was the brushes I was using the real problem with the paint. In cleaning brushes with oil, is okay to re-use brush cleaner or should I really be using fresh cleaner? Thanks. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56320	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Brushes

Thanks Bill, as I do wash with detergent after cleaning. I did get some small glass jars from Micro Mark with the brushes so I will let you all know how things go. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Brushes Hi Mike, Here is what has worked well for me for a long time for Testors enamel, Model Master series, Floquil, Rustoleum and nail polish. I keep small a jar of the appropriate brush cleaner handy. I like to use lacquer thinner. I change this stuff after it begins to look bad. I consider bad to be when stuff is accumulating on the bottom of the jar. The jar is glass and never more than about 3/4 inch full of thinner. It is easy to see through the bottom. For non-solvent based paints like Tamiya, use a small jar of water for the first step. After I swish the brush in the thinner and wipe it a bunch on the inside of the jar, I wipe the excess thinner off on paper towels. Next, I head to the sink and wash the brush again in dish-washing detergent and water. Just a drop of detergent in the palm of my hand and really work the bristles. Then I rinse it thoroughly and wipe it dry. It sounds like a lot of work, but, it takes less than a minute in practice. The thinner lasts a long time and the brushes last for decades. If I am going to use the brush right away, I skip the soap and water step until the very end. A brush wet with water is not good for solvent-based paints. Keep us posted. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:14 PM To: Toy Trains; S Scale; S trains Subject: [S-Trains] Brushes My two sets of sable brushes came today, so now I get to see if it was the brushes I was using the real problem with the paint. In cleaning brushes with oil, is okay to re-use brush cleaner or should I really be using fresh cleaner? Thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56321	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Decals.

Looking for a place to purchase decals for a unbranded steam Loco. I am looking for Chicago Northwestern decals. LBJ Enterprises ? or others. Need contact info Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56322	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Fw: Paint issues

A email I sent to Testors asking about the paint problems I had. I will let you know if I hear back from Testors. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: customerservice@... Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: Paint issues Hi, I ordered and received some Floquil and Model Master Paint this month. One bottle was so runny and then another bottle was so thick, I had to order more paint and paint thinner. I have used Floquil in the past with no problems. The bottle that was so thick was Model Master, Jet Exhaust, as I believe this is really Floquil under a different label for airplane models. The paint that was so runny was old Silver. Could you let me know if this is normal, as I would expect these are ready to use paints. Thank you. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56323	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Pacific trailing trucks

Hi Roy,                  A 293 Pacific used a XA10020 Die Cast Delta Trailing Truck. A 1947 & 1948 312 K5 Pacific Used the same truck. The 1947 version had a hook on the back.  A later 312AC would use XA10891 Drabar Assembly and a 1949 290 would also use a XA10891 Drawbar Assembly. The XA10891 Drawbar Assembly will not work with a 293.                                                Tom Seccia                                     --- On Wed, 9/23/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Pacific trailing trucks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 10:41 PM   My under restoration 293 Pacific was missing its trailing truck. I have a spare trailing truck from a 312 Pacific. Are they the same? The photos aren't clear. Also, there is small hole in front of the boiler on top of the cowcatcher. What (if anything) goes in there? I have restored it to full operation and it runs and smokes really well. Thanks! - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56324	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

Hi Mike,                         I ran out of these some years ago.  I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol.  When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items.                                                      Tom Seccia                                                          Triple "S" Supplies --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM   I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56325	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

Hi Bill,                    I had these years ago for the standard "S" AF track.  These were made by Russ Burns.   Russ has left us years ago.  He was a good maker of AF repro items. XA16A551 is the part number of the Pikemaster Trip. XA16A554 is the part number for the Standard "S" track trip.                                                 Tom Seccia                                       --- On Thu, 9/24/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 3:36 PM   Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56326	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: 295 restoration

Hi, gang! I just finished restoring a very beat and battered 295 (photos available) and came across something interesting. Most steam locos I have worked on over the years have either brass or red plastic smoke stack inserts. This one has a steel one. I'm thinking that since this was made in 1951 and 1951 only, that the Korean war probably put the squeeze on brass (shell casings, etc.) and steel was all Gilbert could get. Anybody else seen this? I don't recall having seen a steel insert before, but of course I don't remember much of anything anymore...... Steve SnS Trains Boise Steve, S-'n-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.sns-trains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56327	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: #916 Canister Decal

Hi Dave,                   Please email me seccia@..., if you have dealer prices.                                                  Tom Seccia                                       --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #916 Canister Decal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 12:33 PM   Tom, Already produced and we have sold quite a few. These look better than stickers and are a lot easier to apply than dry transfers. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #916 Canister Decal To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:59 AM Hi Dave, There are stickers and dry transfers available for the cannisters. You may want to rethink making those decals. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] #916 Canister Decal To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:33 AM Good Morning All, We have been asked to produce decals for the canisters in the AF #916 & #24113 Delaware and Hudson Gondola. We have posted a photo of the results in our album here at the group web site. The link below will take those members interested to the page. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/7136931/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56328	From: portlines	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: Decals.

Have CNW tender heralds as dry-transfers, or as peel-&-stick. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > Looking for a place to purchase decals for a unbranded steam Loco. > I am looking for Chicago Northwestern decals.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56329	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Paint Update

I got my 109 dollar order in from Micro Mark before Shipping, LOL, of Paint supplies. All for my last building. Figures. LOL Anyway, the paint went on a little better with the sable brush, but no where how it should be in my opinion. So, I did order floquil paint thinner, added two drops, then five, then 15, now I think it is where it should be, as this was on a half a jar. The paint I am using is a Model Master and it is half the size bottle of Floquil, but made by Testors. However, a jar of Floquil I got with my paint order is very thin. Go figure. Someone on the S list recommended the 10 dollar battery power stirrer. What a great product. Work really well and I had no problems with it. I did get a glass jar with some metal rings in it to clean brushes better, as you don't want to smash the brush again the bottom of the container to clean. Plus I got some small mixing bottle, funnels, for clean up. I used a eye dropper to add the thinner. I have more paint due Monday so it will be interesting to see how it is to work with. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56330	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

Hi Tom, Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56331	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Decals.

Mark,      Please use this link to go to our web site:   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html        You will probably find what you require there. If not we can do custom decals for you. We do not charge lay out fees just payment for the finished decal and as always no shipping charges.   Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Thu, 9/24/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Decals. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:00 PM   Looking for a place to purchase decals for a unbranded steam Loco. I am looking for Chicago Northwestern decals. LBJ Enterprises ? or others. Need contact info Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56332	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Paint issues

Hi Mike,                 I've been reading your emails with the paint brush problem.  I had a train store, where I sold the cheaper brushes made by Testors.  These brushes were made of nylon. If you started out using this type of brush and you were using lacquer thinner, there may have been a possibility where the lacquer attacked those bristles and caused these to harden.  Years ago Floquill paints were all lacquer based.  I'm not sure if these are the same currently, but if you were painting plastics, you had to use a barrier because lacquer attacks plastic.  I looked at a 2004 Walters catalog in the paint section and I did not see any listing for barrier so Floquil may have changed the base to enamel.  Testor's Model Master comes in an oil base and a water base.  I found Model Master excellent to paint figures because of their military color selection. These colors are mostly flat and I believe have three different flesh tones.  Getting back to the cheap brushes,  Testor's instructions on the back of the paint brush package, reads clean brushes Testor's 1148 or 1156 Thinner Brush Cleaner.  I did stock in my store Testor's 1159 Lacquer Thinner & Brush Cleaner, which I used on my painting projects.   Sable brushes which cost about $3.00 to $5.00 each are top of the line for painting.  Just passing along some info to you.                                                      Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Paint issues To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 9:30 PM   A email I sent to Testors asking about the paint problems I had. I will let you know if I hear back from Testors. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: customerservice@ testors.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: Paint issues Hi, I ordered and received some Floquil and Model Master Paint this month. One bottle was so runny and then another bottle was so thick, I had to order more paint and paint thinner. I have used Floquil in the past with no problems. The bottle that was so thick was Model Master, Jet Exhaust, as I believe this is really Floquil under a different label for airplane models. The paint that was so runny was old Silver. Could you let me know if this is normal, as I would expect these are ready to use paints. Thank you. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56333	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 295 restoration

Hi Steve,                       I found steel PA10536 Smokestacks mostly in Atlantics.  I believe you have something with the year 1951.  You will also find in certain locomotives white plastic PA12A190 smokestacks.  I'm not sure but these may be in 1952.                                                     Tom Seccia                                                     --- On Thu, 9/24/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 295 restoration To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:53 PM   Hi, gang! I just finished restoring a very beat and battered 295 (photos available) and came across something interesting. Most steam locos I have worked on over the years have either brass or red plastic smoke stack inserts. This one has a steel one. I'm thinking that since this was made in 1951 and 1951 only, that the Korean war probably put the squeeze on brass (shell casings, etc.) and steel was all Gilbert could get. Anybody else seen this? I don't recall having seen a steel insert before, but of course I don't remember much of anything anymore..... . Steve SnS Trains Boise Steve, S-'n-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.sns-trains. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56334	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

Hi Mike,                  $12.95 is a fair price for a repro.  Thats about the same price for a XA10528 Action Car Pick Up Rail.                                          Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:51 PM   Hi Tom, Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56335	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Decals.

Some of the signs on my baseball wall are decals from LBR Enterprises. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave at LBR Enterprises To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals. Mark, Please use this link to go to our web site: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html You will probably find what you require there. If not we can do custom decals for you. We do not charge lay out fees just payment for the finished decal and as always no shipping charges. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Thu, 9/24/09, wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> wrote: From: wisner_mark <wisner_mark@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Decals. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:00 PM Looking for a place to purchase decals for a unbranded steam Loco. I am looking for Chicago Northwestern decals. LBJ Enterprises ? or others. Need contact info Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56336	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Paint issues

Thanks Tom, as I think it was a combination of brush, minor issue, and thick, major issue. I got the paint thinned to where I think it should be. However, I have on bottle of Floquil with this order that is so thin. I sent a email to Testors asking about why one bottle is very thin and one is semi thick. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Paint issues Hi Mike, I've been reading your emails with the paint brush problem. I had a train store, where I sold the cheaper brushes made by Testors. These brushes were made of nylon. If you started out using this type of brush and you were using lacquer thinner, there may have been a possibility where the lacquer attacked those bristles and caused these to harden. Years ago Floquill paints were all lacquer based. I'm not sure if these are the same currently, but if you were painting plastics, you had to use a barrier because lacquer attacks plastic. I looked at a 2004 Walters catalog in the paint section and I did not see any listing for barrier so Floquil may have changed the base to enamel. Testor's Model Master comes in an oil base and a water base. I found Model Master excellent to paint figures because of their military color selection. These colors are mostly flat and I believe have three different flesh tones. Getting back to the cheap brushes, Testor's instructions on the back of the paint brush package, reads clean brushes Testor's 1148 or 1156 Thinner Brush Cleaner. I did stock in my store Testor's 1159 Lacquer Thinner & Brush Cleaner, which I used on my painting projects. Sable brushes which cost about $3.00 to $5.00 each are top of the line for painting. Just passing along some info to you. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Paint issues To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 9:30 PM A email I sent to Testors asking about the paint problems I had. I will let you know if I hear back from Testors. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: customerservice@ testors.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: Paint issues Hi, I ordered and received some Floquil and Model Master Paint this month. One bottle was so runny and then another bottle was so thick, I had to order more paint and paint thinner. I have used Floquil in the past with no problems. The bottle that was so thick was Model Master, Jet Exhaust, as I believe this is really Floquil under a different label for airplane models. The paint that was so runny was old Silver. Could you let me know if this is normal, as I would expect these are ready to use paints. Thank you. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56337	From: David	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: #21162 PRESTONE Tank Car

Well, here we are again with a NEW car. This time we decided to give the AF #21161 a little company with this #21162 tank car. Please visit photo at the link below here at the groups web site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/910261677/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc We are planning on doing a #21163 PRESTONE caboose to finish off a three unit set. Thank you for your time and interest in our efforts. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

But Tom, This is the only one in the world that is still mint in bag. So, I think more like 1295.00 might be more like it. LOL And it came from Triple S, which means it should go for maybe a bit more, if I can get a bidding war. But wait, I could sell it for parts. O:)! No, if someone wants it, 12.95 plus shipping. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, $12.95 is a fair price for a repro. Thats about the same price for a XA10528 Action Car Pick Up Rail. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:51 PM Hi Tom, Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56339	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

You're a good man Mike,            Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 7:29 AM   But Tom, This is the only one in the world that is still mint in bag. So, I think more like 1295.00 might be more like it. LOL And it came from Triple S, which means it should go for maybe a bit more, if I can get a bidding war. But wait, I could sell it for parts. O:)! No, if someone wants it, 12.95 plus shipping. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, $12.95 is a fair price for a repro. Thats about the same price for a XA10528 Action Car Pick Up Rail. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:51 PM Hi Tom, Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56340	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

Hi Mike, If no one has spoken up then I'll take the activator. Sned me your price and address and I'll shoot you a check. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. > > Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL > > Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. > > But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sheila Seccia > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator > > > Hi Mike, > I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. > Tom Seccia > Triple "S" Supplies > > --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM > > > > I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. > > I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: race944t > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator > > Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. > > Is this item reproduced anywhere? > > "Banker" Bill Clark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56341	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

Tom, Thank you as I might be a better rich man if I put this on ebay and a big war starts over it. LOL Maybe I could use it as a paper weight but it is too light. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator You're a good man Mike, Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 7:29 AM But Tom, This is the only one in the world that is still mint in bag. So, I think more like 1295.00 might be more like it. LOL And it came from Triple S, which means it should go for maybe a bit more, if I can get a bidding war. But wait, I could sell it for parts. O:)! No, if someone wants it, 12.95 plus shipping. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, $12.95 is a fair price for a repro. Thats about the same price for a XA10528 Action Car Pick Up Rail. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:51 PM Hi Tom, Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56342	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 21160 screw post repair

Thank you to everyone who posted their input to my question. This is the best group around to ask for assistance. I'm looking at trying the screw post repair to keep my old shell around awhile longer. If I don't get it repaired in time for the next open house (3rd Saturday in October) I'll use my spare 21160 shell temporarily. Thanks again, Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56343	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 295 restoration

Haven't seen one of those yet, BUT I do have a reverse unit drum that is white plastic rather than black. Steve In a message dated 09/25/2009 5:22:21 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Steve, I found steel PA10536 Smokestacks mostly in Atlantics. I believe you have something with the year 1951. You will also find in certain locomotives white plastic PA12A190 smokestacks. I'm not sure but these may be in 1952. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] 295 restoration To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:53 PM Hi, gang! I just finished restoring a very beat and battered 295 (photos available) and came across something interesting. Most steam locos I have worked on over the years have either brass or red plastic smoke stack inserts. This one has a steel one. I'm thinking that since this was made in 1951 and 1951 only, that the Korean war probably put the squeeze on brass (shell casings, etc.) and steel was all Gilbert could get. Anybody else seen this? I don't recall having seen a steel insert before, but of course I don't remember much of anything anymore..... . Steve SnS Trains Boise Steve, S-'n-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.sns-trains. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56344	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: 295 restoration

Hi Steve,                   White plastic XA8716 Reverse Unit drums are Pre War.                                                      Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 9/25/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 295 restoration To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:59 PM   Haven't seen one of those yet, BUT I do have a reverse unit drum that is white plastic rather than black. Steve In a message dated 09/25/2009 5:22:21 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com writes: Hi Steve, I found steel PA10536 Smokestacks mostly in Atlantics. I believe you have something with the year 1951. You will also find in certain locomotives white plastic PA12A190 smokestacks. I'm not sure but these may be in 1952. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: From: _boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) <_boss31@aol. com_ (mailto:boss31@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] 295 restoration To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:53 PM Hi, gang! I just finished restoring a very beat and battered 295 (photos available) and came across something interesting. Most steam locos I have worked on over the years have either brass or red plastic smoke stack inserts. This one has a steel one. I'm thinking that since this was made in 1951 and 1951 only, that the Korean war probably put the squeeze on brass (shell casings, etc.) and steel was all Gilbert could get. Anybody else seen this? I don't recall having seen a steel insert before, but of course I don't remember much of anything anymore..... . Steve SnS Trains Boise Steve, S-'n-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.sns-trains. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56345	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

Hi Mike,                      Looks like you got a sale for it.  One thing I learned over the years, these AF items always seen to show up.  I don't collect original Flyer parts. If someone needs an original part and I have it, its sold.  Maybe I can save a few of those butchered locos.                                                        Tom Seccia                                               --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 1:59 PM   Tom, Thank you as I might be a better rich man if I put this on ebay and a big war starts over it. LOL Maybe I could use it as a paper weight but it is too light. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator You're a good man Mike, Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 7:29 AM But Tom, This is the only one in the world that is still mint in bag. So, I think more like 1295.00 might be more like it. LOL And it came from Triple S, which means it should go for maybe a bit more, if I can get a bidding war. But wait, I could sell it for parts. O:)! No, if someone wants it, 12.95 plus shipping. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, $12.95 is a fair price for a repro. Thats about the same price for a XA10528 Action Car Pick Up Rail. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:51 PM Hi Tom, Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. Is this item reproduced anywhere? "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56346	From: Johntech	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Boxes for the AF switches

I was digging around my stuff the other day and came across 3 or 4 original AF cardboard boxes for the track switches. They are a little battered but still usable anyone interested in a sale or trade?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56347	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem

OK, I got the 283 to run both forward and in reverse, but not sure that interchanging the red and green wires was actually the problem. ( see link below). I made the wire switch but the engine still misbehaved. With all the soldering, I was not sure I didn't introduce another problem with the e-switch fingers. Any way, by using a probe to push on one of the fingers, I was able to get the engine to run forward and reverse. Bending the finger a little solved the contact problem. My next problem is to attach the front wheels on the tender to the pickup "rivet" that connects the wiring to the front pickup trucks/wheels - a lot of things have to go together and I not sure what they mean by the "rivet" term - not sure how to fasten it down under the frame (with the insulators) to hold the wheels, cooper pickup together on the tender frame. I hoping I can use a horseshoe type of clip to make the attachment and give the truck the free rotation it will need. Any tricks to do this? <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Ted Walton at 05:54 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: > >Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@...?Subject= >Re%3AAF%20283%20problem>trwalton@... ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1 > > > > > >I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an > >incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to > >reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral > >and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. > >Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. > >Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate > >the barrow as an intermittent problem. > >I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my > >album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that > >appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes > >where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the > >red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine > >run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with > >resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. Ted Walton ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2395 - Release Date: 09/25/09 17:52:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56348	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: AF 283 problem

OK, I got the 283 to run both forward and in reverse, but not sure that interchanging the red and green wires was actually the problem. ( see link below). I made the wire switch but the engine still misbehaved. With all the soldering, I was not sure I didn't introduce another problem with the e-switch fingers. Any way, by using a probe to push on one of the fingers, I was able to get the engine to run forward and reverse. Bending the finger a little solved the contact problem. My next problem is to attach the front wheels on the tender to the pickup "rivet" that connects the wiring to the front pickup trucks/wheels - a lot of things have to go together and I not sure what they mean by the "rivet" term - not sure how to fasten it down under the frame (with the insulators) to hold the wheels, cooper pickup together on the tender frame. I hoping I can use a horseshoe type of clip to make the attachment and give the truck the free rotation it will need. Any tricks to do this? <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/656690669/pic/1346662086/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Ted Walton at 05:54 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: > >Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@...?Subject= >Re%3AAF%20283%20problem>trwalton@... ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1 > > > > >I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an > >incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to > >reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral > >and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. > >Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. > >Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate > >the barrow as an intermittent problem. > >I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my > >album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that > >appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes > >where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the > >red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine > >run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with > >resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. Ted Walton ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2395 - Release Date: 09/25/09 17:52:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56349	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Re: PM hayjector activator

David, Looking at this, I think it is a regular track activator. I will scan it for you and Tom to see. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PM hayjector activator Hi Mike, If no one has spoken up then I'll take the activator. Sned me your price and address and I'll shoot you a check. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Well, until then I have a original Triple S repro Activator for sale. > > Hmm, since you don't have them at this time, I bet I could get big bucks for this or at least what I paid for it in 1995 or so plus I have to take in account that it has been sitting here for 14 years, so all the interest I missed out on if that 12.95 or so was sitting in the bank. LOL > > Let see, the rule of 72 at maybe, 3% tells me my 12.95 would of double in 24 years. So, no big lost. > > But seriously if anyone is in need of this, let me know, I will give you a deal below the big bucks price. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sheila Seccia > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator > > > Hi Mike, > I ran out of these some years ago. I'm in the the process of getting some investment capitol. When this happens, I will be making a number of American Flyer items. > Tom Seccia > Triple "S" Supplies > > --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:29 PM > > > > I do have a brand new sealed in the bag reproduction track trip for Pike Master track that I will sell. I have no need for it, since I am not using these cars on my layout. > > I got it from Triple S so long ago as I do not know if he still sells them. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: race944t > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:36 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] PM hayjector activator > > Does anyone know the item number or Gilbert part number for the track lockon that operates cars like the Hayjector, Tiejector, etc. I just came across one for standard high rail track (not PM track). There is no number on it, but from the rivets and materials used it looks vintage Gilbert. > > Is this item reproduced anywhere? > > "Banker" Bill Clark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56350	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2009
Subject: Testors

I did hear back from Testors twice today, as they do show concern and they do reply very quickly. I think they think I am using a air brush, so they said they have to be thinned, which I know for air brushing, but I am not. So I emailed them back just now that I am brushing. They did send attached usage tips and if it comes down for them to send me a UPS postage return tag for them to get the product back for testing they will do that. So, I have to say they have been very good in customer care. So, I know allot has been said about Floquil on all three list, as I don't want people to get wrong information on their products. Anytime you have a question any Testors product email them. They will help you. I will let you know what happens next, as the paint now is fine since I thinned it down. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56351	From: traintracks01	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: For Sale - New American Flyer S Items

For Sale American Flyer S Items September 25, 2009 Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126, Kenmore, Wa 98028 eric@... 1. American Flyer 48426 Commerative 3 car set Plus AF 60th year Commerative Boxcar and Commerative Caboose. These are the blue and yellow cars that say American Flyer Trains on them. All 5 cars for $240 Shipping included to USA-48. All new in their boxes 2. American Flyer 48078 operating handcar with shed. Commerative blue and yellow version brand new in its box. $120 shipping included to USA48. Thanks for looking Eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56352	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 problem

Hi Ted,                  To attach the front tender truck on a 283, you will need a PA10235A Rivet, PA10209 Fiber Bushing, PA10207 Copper Contact, PA8715 Fiber Washer and a PA1405 Tin Washer.  The rivet goes through the fiber bushing on the top of the tender frame, put the PA8715B Fiber Washer on top of the tender truck, then line up the tender truck and put the PA10207 contact on the bottom of the tender truck with the last piece PA1405 to go over the rivet.  There are rivet punches available, but you can use a center punch to spread the rivet.  Lionel uses horse shoe clips in some applications to attach trucks. Gilbert American Flyer never use horseshoe clips. They used rivets and eyelets.  I wouldn't recommend using screws because of the differences in sizes of the tender frame hole and the tender truck hole.  Make sure to use a new rivet and a new PA10207 contact if the hole is enlarged.                                                         Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Ted Walton <trwalton@...> wrote: From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 283 problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 7:47 PM   OK, I got the 283 to run both forward and in reverse, but not sure that interchanging the red and green wires was actually the problem. ( see link below). I made the wire switch but the engine still misbehaved. With all the soldering, I was not sure I didn't introduce another problem with the e-switch fingers. Any way, by using a probe to push on one of the fingers, I was able to get the engine to run forward and reverse. Bending the finger a little solved the contact problem. My next problem is to attach the front wheels on the tender to the pickup "rivet" that connects the wiring to the front pickup trucks/wheels - a lot of things have to go together and I not sure what they mean by the "rivet" term - not sure how to fasten it down under the frame (with the insulators) to hold the wheels, cooper pickup together on the tender frame. I hoping I can use a horseshoe type of clip to make the attachment and give the truck the free rotation it will need. Any tricks to do this? <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 656690669/ pic/1346662086/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 656690669/ pic/1346662086/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Ted Walton at 05:54 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: > >Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@verizon. net?Subject= >Re%3AAF%20283% 20problem>trwalton@verizon. net ><http://profiles. yahoo.com/ trwalton1>trwalton1 > > > > > >I'm trying to repair a AF283. The problem could be the e-switch or an > >incorrect wiring. The engine will run only in forward. Attempting to > >reverse (turning on and off) the e-switch appears to go into neutral > >and then into the reverse(? not sure) but just hums. > >Repeating the cycle, the engine will go into forward and run. > >Superimposed on this behavior, the e-switch does not always rotate > >the barrow as an intermittent problem. > >I have posted a correct wiring diagram in the photo section( see my > >album Walton ) and have highlighted two wires (red and green) that > >appear to be miss connected in my engine. In my case, the red goes > >where the green is suppose to go, and the green is attached where the > >red is suppose to go. Is this causing a problem; or should the engine > >run OK with this different hookup? I don't want to mess with > >resodering the wires if not necessary - just call me chicken. Ted Walton ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2395 - Release Date: 09/25/09 17:52:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56353	From: clayton	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Where can I fined the link to...

Hi, Can any one tell me where I can fined the link to all the photos to all the AF train cars that some one took so much time in cataloging? I would like to look up some photos of a few cars that I have. Clayton Milwaukie OR.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56354	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Train Show in Maumee Ohio

Gentlemen I will be selling S Gauge trains at the Train Show in the Lucas County Fail Grounds, 2901 Key Str, in Maumee (Toledo area) Ohio, tomorrow, Sunday 27 Sep, from 11am to 4pm. No AF, new or used, but many tables of AF-compatible AM, SHS, &c. Mention this e-mail, get an extra 2% off our already slightly discounted prices. Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: PHOTS LINK

_The Upstairs Train - Overview_ (http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56356	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Scale Gas pumps

Does anyone know a source for S-scale gas pumps? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56357	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: PHOTS LINK

What a nice layout...And I know your grandson loves it...DR..in HOT FL. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:11:22 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: PHOTS LINK _The Upstairs Train - Overview_ (http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56358	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/27/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56359	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: Scale Gas pumps

Hi Jim, At your local Wal-Mart, there is a series of Motor Max scenes. The series is named American Graffiti, Moments in Time. Each includes an S-scale car and some details in a plastic display case. The Country Store scene has two gas pumps and some other stuff that is useful. In South Florida, they cost about $10 and might vary a little in different regions. Look to them in the die cast toy car aisle. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hannawald Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:41 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Scale Gas pumps Does anyone know a source for S-scale gas pumps? Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56360	From: portlines	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: Re: Scale Gas pumps

Jim, Depends what "era" you want. We have pump kits for the gas pumps that are in our "Deco-style Gas Station" kits....about '50s era....rectangular with a round globe on top. You can see them if you check our Deco Gas Station image on our website. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know a source for S-scale gas pumps? > > > Jim >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56361	From: afjerryk5	Date: 9/26/2009
Subject: BBs

All this talk about paint made me think about something I do with my paint.When I open a new jar,I add a few BBs,then close the jar and shake it well.At first the BBs won't rattle,when they do the pigment in the bottom of the jar will be broken up and mixed.Hope this helps. Jerry,in stormy Indiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56363	From: David	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: #21163 PRESTONE Caboose

Hello All, We have just posted a photo of our #21163 PRESTONE caboose at the groups web site (link below) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1903550032/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc We built this one up to go with the #21162 PRESTONE tank car in the previous photo and to go along with the AF #21161 engine & tender units. Have a GREAT WEEK. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56364	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Scale Gas pumps

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know a source for S-scale gas pumps? > > > Jim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Jim, Twin Whistle makes S gauge kits with gas pumps and sells the pumps separately. For details, go to www.twinwhistle.com or contact me ditectly. I am a dealer for their kits (although currently I am in Florence, Italy. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56365	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/27/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 27, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56366	From: Scott	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Gas Stations - Related Retro 50s Question... Stuckey's

S-Folks, Has anyone ever seen a Stuckey's S scale model gas station from their halcyon days in the 50s. I always wanted to put one on a layout.... Right next to the Howard Johnsons.... cape cod style with the orange roof of course... I've seen Howard Johnsons still around in parts of the north east on business trips... restaurants on the NYS state thruway and lodgings... Haven't seen a Stuckey's since 1964 when I was a kid in a trip to grandmother's winter house in Florida that had a Stuckey's on the highway on the way to her house... Use to con (beg) my father in buying me a candy nut log that they made... Web indicates they are still in business ... somewhat..... Anyone seen a Stuckey's around where they live? Keep training, Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Scale Gas pumps Hi Jim, At your local Wal-Mart, there is a series of Motor Max scenes. The series is named American Graffiti, Moments in Time. Each includes an S-scale car and some details in a plastic display case. The Country Store scene has two gas pumps and some other stuff that is useful. In South Florida, they cost about $10 and might vary a little in different regions. Look to them in the die cast toy car aisle. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jim Hannawald Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:41 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Scale Gas pumps Does anyone know a source for S-scale gas pumps? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56367	From: rep928	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Pacific trailing trucks

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Roy, >                  A 293 Pacific used a XA10020 Die Cast Delta Trailing Truck. A 1947 & 1948 312 K5 Pacific Used the same truck. The 1947 version had a hook on the back.  A later 312AC would use XA10891 Drabar Assembly and a 1949 290 would also use a XA10891 Drawbar Assembly. The XA10891 Drawbar Assembly will not work with a 293. >                                                Tom Seccia >                                     > > --- On Wed, 9/23/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: Thanks - I had the 1947 version of the truck. I removed the hook and it works fine! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56368	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4617

Sorry Tom, I already did what you said I shouldn't. (Didn't have a new rivet). I used a bolt and two nuts to hold everything together. A small bolt, a metal washer,a thin insulating washer on and through the top of the frame and then the large insulating washer,the trucks, the copper metal wheel contact, and another thin washer underneath the frame, and then a nut to fasten down enough with free play for the trucks to move, and then another nut tightened down on the first nut to prevent the first from coming lose. Then soldered the leads to the top of the bolt. I wanted to get everything together to see if the engine would run on the track- and it did. I can do it the correct way when I get the rivet - this fix will come apart easy. And now that I understand how all those parts go together, the final repair should go easy. Thanks. Ted Walton At 06:07 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote: >Hi Ted, > To attach the front tender truck on a 283, you > will need a PA10235A Rivet, PA10209 Fiber Bushing, PA10207 Copper > Contact, PA8715 Fiber Washer and a PA1405 Tin Washer. The rivet > goes through the fiber bushing on the top of the tender frame, put > the PA8715B Fiber Washer on top of the tender truck, then line up > the tender truck and put the PA10207 contact on the bottom of the > tender truck with the last piece PA1405 to go over the > rivet. There are rivet punches available, but you can use a center > punch to spread the rivet. Lionel uses horse shoe clips in some > applications to attach trucks. Gilbert American Flyer never use > horseshoe clips. They used rivets and eyelets. I wouldn't > recommend using screws because of the differences in sizes of the > tender frame hole and the tender truck hole. Make sure to use a > new rivet and a new PA10207 contact if the hole is enlarged. > Tom Seccia ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2399 - Release Date: 09/27/09 17:52:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56369	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Gas Stations - Related Retro 50s Question... Stuckey's

Scott.... I passed a gas station in the Carolinas or Ga on the way home from Tenn....( Ran the "Tail of the Dragon" in 21 minutes..... 11 miles.... 318 curves.... and I was in my 6 cyl Tbird.... not the vette ) that had a Stuckeys in it.... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 9/27/09, Scott <scottdee25@...> wrote: From: Scott <scottdee25@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gas Stations - Related Retro 50s Question... Stuckey's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 7:07 PM   S-Folks, Has anyone ever seen a Stuckey's S scale model gas station from their halcyon days in the 50s. I always wanted to put one on a layout.... Right next to the Howard Johnsons.... cape cod style with the orange roof of course... I've seen Howard Johnsons still around in parts of the north east on business trips... restaurants on the NYS state thruway and lodgings... Haven't seen a Stuckey's since 1964 when I was a kid in a trip to grandmother' s winter house in Florida that had a Stuckey's on the highway on the way to her house... Use to con (beg) my father in buying me a candy nut log that they made... Web indicates they are still in business ... somewhat.... . Anyone seen a Stuckey's around where they live? Keep training, Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Scale Gas pumps Hi Jim, At your local Wal-Mart, there is a series of Motor Max scenes. The series is named American Graffiti, Moments in Time. Each includes an S-scale car and some details in a plastic display case. The Country Store scene has two gas pumps and some other stuff that is useful. In South Florida, they cost about $10 and might vary a little in different regions. Look to them in the die cast toy car aisle. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On Behalf Of Jim Hannawald Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:41 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Scale Gas pumps Does anyone know a source for S-scale gas pumps? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56370	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: Stuckey's

Hi Scott, There's a Stuckey's about 15 miles east of my hometown of Pensacola, Florida on Interstate 10. It has all the typical Stuckey's stuff and a ton of Florida souveniers. It was still there earlier this year when I was over that way. I assume it's still going strong. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottdee25@...> wrote: > > S-Folks, > > > > Has anyone ever seen a Stuckey's S scale model gas station from their > halcyon days in the 50s. > > I always wanted to put one on a layout.... Right next to the Howard > Johnsons.... cape cod style with the orange roof of course... > > I've seen Howard Johnsons still around in parts of the north east on > business trips... restaurants on the NYS state thruway and lodgings... > > > > Haven't seen a Stuckey's since 1964 when I was a kid in a trip to > grandmother's winter house in Florida that had a Stuckey's on the highway on > the way to her house... > > Use to con (beg) my father in buying me a candy nut log that they made... > > Web indicates they are still in business ... somewhat..... > > > > Anyone seen a Stuckey's around where they live? > > > > Keep training, > > > > Scott Dee > > > > > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Bill Porter > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:09 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Scale Gas pumps > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > At your local Wal-Mart, there is a series of Motor Max scenes. The > series is named American Graffiti, Moments in Time. Each includes an > S-scale car and some details in a plastic display case. The Country > Store scene has two gas pumps and some other stuff that is useful. In > South Florida, they cost about $10 and might vary a little in different > regions. Look to them in the die cast toy car aisle. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Jim Hannawald > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:41 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Scale Gas pumps > > Does anyone know a source for S-scale gas pumps? > > Jim > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56371	From: wisner_mark	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: LED Lights

I have drawn my Layout on my control panel. I want to Identify each turnout by number and wire in a red and green light indicating switch position at the control panel. Where can I buy the lights, and do I wire them directly into the turnout. I am running a DCC system so I am sending a command from the hand held to each switch. I am not using the throw switches that come with the turnouts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

Dear Mark, I think there was a very nice article in the October 2009 Model Railroader about adding red/green LED and IR detectors to detect trains in each siding. Not exactly what you want, but very interesting concept and reading. Best, Don On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:58 PM, wisner_mark wrote: > I have drawn my Layout on my control panel. I want to Identify each > turnout by number and wire in a red and green light indicating > switch position at the control panel. Where can I buy the lights, > and do I wire them directly into the turnout. I am running a DCC > system so I am sending a command from the hand held to each switch. > I am not using the throw switches that come with the turnouts. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56374	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2009
Subject: Re: LED Lights

It's not likely that any standard DCC decoder could handle the current that a Flyer switch draws. You will need to use large decoders or single function decoders in series with a relay. Also you will probably need to rectify the current to the switches as Gilbert coils and most relays can't seem to recognize the DCC wave as current. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 09/27/2009 7:16:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wisner_mark@... writes: I have drawn my Layout on my control panel. I want to Identify each turnout by number and wire in a red and green light indicating switch position at the control panel. Where can I buy the lights, and do I wire them directly into the turnout. I am running a DCC system so I am sending a command from the hand held to each switch. I am not using the throw switches that come with the turnouts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56376	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Pictures of the UP 3985 Challenger loco are now online

http://sites.google.com/site/beenonboard/Home/up-3985-challenger Now to upload the pictures of all the cars in the consist! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56377	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: LEDS

_Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs)_ (http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56378	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4617

Hi Ted,                   Should be OK as long as there is no play to cause an arc or a short.  I'm not sure which tender truck you used in view of the screw size you used.                                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 9/27/09, Ted Walton <trwalton@...> wrote: From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4617 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:08 PM   Sorry Tom, I already did what you said I shouldn't. (Didn't have a new rivet). I used a bolt and two nuts to hold everything together. A small bolt, a metal washer,a thin insulating washer on and through the top of the frame and then the large insulating washer,the trucks, the copper metal wheel contact, and another thin washer underneath the frame, and then a nut to fasten down enough with free play for the trucks to move, and then another nut tightened down on the first nut to prevent the first from coming lose. Then soldered the leads to the top of the bolt. I wanted to get everything together to see if the engine would run on the track- and it did. I can do it the correct way when I get the rivet - this fix will come apart easy. And now that I understand how all those parts go together, the final repair should go easy. Thanks.. Ted Walton At 06:07 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote: >Hi Ted, > To attach the front tender truck on a 283, you > will need a PA10235A Rivet, PA10209 Fiber Bushing, PA10207 Copper > Contact, PA8715 Fiber Washer and a PA1405 Tin Washer. The rivet > goes through the fiber bushing on the top of the tender frame, put > the PA8715B Fiber Washer on top of the tender truck, then line up > the tender truck and put the PA10207 contact on the bottom of the > tender truck with the last piece PA1405 to go over the > rivet. There are rivet punches available, but you can use a center > punch to spread the rivet. Lionel uses horse shoe clips in some > applications to attach trucks. Gilbert American Flyer never use > horseshoe clips. They used rivets and eyelets. I wouldn't > recommend using screws because of the differences in sizes of the > tender frame hole and the tender truck hole. Make sure to use a > new rivet and a new PA10207 contact if the hole is enlarged. > Tom Seccia ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2399 - Release Date: 09/27/09 17:52:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56379	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Horse car

Last month some one on the list built a house car. Where did you get the decals ?? Jerry HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Obama Raises Pell Grants Get Your Degree with Government Grants and Scholarships! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=o-vW-Dh7Ycm2E_FJrHWpnAAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAQAAAAFAAAAAObuAD8AAAMqAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2RwAAAAA=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56380	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: Pictures of the UP 3985 Challenger loco are now online

Thanks for sharing. What is the date of these pics? I last heard the Challenger was in for major servicing and it was uncertain when it would return to service.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56381	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/28/2009
Subject: Re: Pictures of the UP 3985 Challenger loco are now online

September 29, 2008, when the Challenger 4-6-6-4 and its passenger consist visited St Paul Minnesota.  That info is on the home page above the link I sent.  Sorry about that! Bob --- On Mon, 9/28/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pictures of the UP 3985 Challenger loco are now online To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 5:43 AM   Thanks for sharing. What is the date of these pics? I last heard the Challenger was in for major servicing and it was uncertain when it would return to service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56383	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER

_Improving the New AF Northern Smoke_ (http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm) This might help as he has listed a 27 ohm resistor & Lionel # ____________________________________ From: allen.evans@... Reply-to: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 9/28/2009 9:17:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [S-Trains] THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER I have made some measurements and observations with regard to the smoker on the Lionel AF Mikado. I needed to replace mine, and so I took a moment to do some testing to find out how it works and to figure out a way to extend its life. CURRENT: I am getting a 300ma reading when connected directly to a 1amp 12VDC power supply. So the raw current draw is this value. But I think the life of the smoker will be considerably shortened if you do not cut it back a little. The smoke was plentiful. Cough - choke! DROPPING RESISTOR: I put a 39 ohm 1/4 watt carbon film resistor in series with the unit using the same 12VDC power. Result - It hardly smoked at all. Also the little resistor nearly burned up. A ceramic wire-wound resistor rated at 1/2 to 1 watt would be more appropriate. I then put a 22 ohm 1/4 watt resistor in series and I got some acceptable smoke, although not tons of it. The current under this condition was 240ma. I think the 1/4watt rating on the resistor is what was really holding it back to this amperage. Again, the resistor was too hot. A ceramic wire-wound resistor rated at 1/2 - 1 watt might be a better choice. To get the voltage to exactly 11 volts from a 12 volt power supply, and assuming a 300ma draw, the dropping resistor is supposed to be 3.9ohms. But I do not think this is really what you want to use. Instead, use a 1/2 watt -1 watt resistor with a value between 10-20 ohms. This will knock the voltage and current down enough to get the life to extend. HANDLING: Its funny when I test these smokers. I can actually hold it in my hand. Put in about 4-8 drops and it takes care of itself. It will go through the fluid pretty quick though. MIKADO REGULATOR VOLTAGE: 11VDC reading is coming off the Mikado's voltage regulator. If you want to use the Mikado's own regulator for DCC applications, there are 2 approaches. (1) Using track voltage - Just cut the regulator out of the loco and put a 1 amp rated bridge rectifier before it and input to the red & black wire. Then add a slide switch on the ouside of the loco. Someplace more convenient that behind the boiler plate is a good idea. (2) If a decoder is used, forget the Mikado regulator and use a TCS FL4 function decoder. Try using 2, 3 or all 4 function leads to get sufficient amperage to drive the smoker. Then set all of those function leads to the same F key on your throttle, like F6 or F12 for instance. That way, you can be sure of supporting the current pull of the unit while avoiding the risk of damaging a more expensive decoder. The TCS FL4 costs only $16. Other voltages - With 6VDC 2amp power supply connected, only a little bit of smoke from a 6VDC lantern battery. But its not enough to make it really smoke acceptably. Smoke is like an abandoned cigarette. CONCLUSIONS: I would rate these smokers at 300ma and 10-16 volts. But I would run them only at 220-250ma at 10-11 volts. A dropping resistor is easy to find. Use a 1/2 or 1/3 watt resistor. You can even try two 40 ohm 1/4 watt resistors in parallel to cut the current back. CONFIGURATIONS: For a setup where your are coming straight off the track, a 1 amp rated bridge rectifier with a current limiter LM317 set to 250ma and a LM78L10 following that stage would be a good combination. You would need an external slide switch, to power it on and off however. For DCC, I would just have the current limiter and set it at 210-250ma. The current limiting in this case would be protecting the decoder as well as extending the life of the smoker. The TCS FL4 is the safest way to go.The TCS FL4 can have all 4 function wires set to the same Function button on your throttle. This multiplies the available current and makes it possible to control the smoker from the throttle. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56384	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Fw: Paint issues

Testor's wants to test the paint I got. I will say that Testor's has a great customer service department. I had no problem with the spray cans of Earth I used. Bottles of Earth, Old Silver seem very thin to me. The bottle of Model Master Jet Exhaust had to be cut down with Thinner and is fine now. I have two more bottles of Model Master Jet Exhaust that came yesterday. I have not opened them. But I am leaving tomorrow for 18 days in Maine. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Myres" <WMyres@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Paint issues Thank you, Our Lab is requesting to have the paint sent back. Can I have your address to send you a UPS Call tag? Wendy >>> "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> 9/25/2009 7:58 PM >>> Hi, thanks for the quick replies. I am using a brush, not a air brush. I have paint mixer from Micro Mark, so it get mix very well. On the Jet Exhaust I see 796 printed on the label. The bottles do not say to thin for brushing. I see no stamped numbers on the Old Silver, as my main use for it is done, I painted the structure. But is still thin. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "CustomerService CustomerService" <CustomerService@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Paint issues The Model Master 1796 & Floquil F110100 Enamels require thinning. The most common reason for thin paint is insufficient mixing ( see attached tip sheet). The paint maybe be defective, can you locate the Paint Lot code on the bottles labels? It would be 2 letters followed by 2 numbers. It should be by the UPC bar code. This will allow us to check here at the manufacturing plant for the same code to test, otherwise we may need to send you a UPS Call Tag and have the paint returned for testing and send you some replacements. Wendy >>> "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> 9/25/2009 12:50 PM >>> Thank you for the quick reply. The floquil that is very thin was Old Silver in the jar, F110100. The Model Master I had to thin was Jet Exhaust 1796. These where purchased from E Hobbies, as I have 2 more bottles of Jet Exhaust due here Monday. I using a brush for trim work on a building kit. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "CustomerService CustomerService" <CustomerService@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Paint issues We apologize for the disappointment you experienced with our product and appreciate you notifying us of this situation. How did you place your order? Model Master is it's own product line. Floquil was purchased by our Parent Company years ago and incorporated in Testors line. We have specific paints for airbrushing that are pre-thinned and some you need to thin, if you can give me the item numbers I can check to see exactly which paint you have. Attached is our paint thinning & airbrushing tips. Best Regards, Wendy Testors Customer Service M-F 8:00 am - 4:00 pm CST 1-800-837-8677 1-800-962-6654 >>> "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> 9/24/2009 8:29 PM >>> Hi, I ordered and receive some Floquil and Model Master Paint this month. One bottle was so runny and then another bottle was so thick, I had to order more paint and paint thinner. I have used Floquil in the past with no problems. The bottle that was so thick was Model Master, Jet Exhaust, as I believe this is really Floquil under a different label for airplane models. The paint that was so runny was old Silver. Could you let me know if this is normal, as I would expect these are ready to use paints. Thank you. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56385	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER

Mikado's and Pacifics have a Seuthe unit, the Northerns use a wick and coil. Recently I read where Gilbert smoke and chooch units fit in Lionel Northerns. Looks like the best way to upgrade a Lionel Northern is to replace the smoke unit with one by AC -- good smoke production, less frequent fluid filling, and better sounding chooch.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56386	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/29/2009
Subject: Digest Number 4617 - AF 283 problem

Hi Tom The screw was sized to just fit through the original truck and copper-wheel contact. The hole in the tender was much larger and the " thin insulating washer" was more like a bushing that fit into the hole but with its top of larger diameter to prevent it from sliping through the hole ( not sure what you call this, a washer with a shoulder or lip) At 06:33 AM 9/29/2009, you wrote: > >Posted by: "Sheila Seccia" ><mailto:trainsandhobbies@...?Subject= >Re%3A%20Digest%20Number%204617>trainsandhobbies@... ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/trainsandhobbies>trainsandhobbies > > >Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:48 am (PDT) > > >Hi Ted, > Should be OK as long as there is no play to cause > an arc or a short. I'm not sure which tender truck you used in > view of the screw size you used. > Tom Seccia >--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Ted Walton ><<mailto:trwalton%40verizon.net>trwalton@...> wrote: >Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:08 PM > >Sorry Tom, >I already did what you said I shouldn't. (Didn't have a new rivet). I >used a bolt and two nuts to hold everything together. A small bolt, a >metal washer,a thin insulating washer on and through the top of the >frame and then the large insulating washer,the trucks, the copper >metal wheel contact, and another thin washer underneath the frame, >and then a nut to fasten down enough with free play for the trucks to >move, and then another nut tightened down on the first nut to prevent >the first from coming lose. Then soldered the leads to the top of the >bolt. I wanted to get everything together to see if the engine would >run on the track- and it did. I can do it the correct way when I get >the rivet - this fix will come apart easy. And now that I understand >how all those parts go together, the final repair should go easy. Thanks.. >Ted Walton ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.115/2403 - Release Date: 09/29/09 17:56:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56387	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER

Awhile back I measured the resistance of several (~5) different smoke units (Seuthe type) from Mikado and Pacific engines and found they ranged (if memory serves correctly) from about 6-9 ohms. Units at the lower range produced more smoke than at the high. Too low and they tended to pop and splatter fluid on the boiler shell, too high and they generated only wisps of smoke, not a consistent flow. I'd have to check my notes for the voltage I tested them at, but I think it was 5VDC. Isn't there a 5V voltage regulator on the mother board after the AC-DC converter?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56388	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER

Not directly to the topic of the Lionel AF smoker, I did find a nice compilation of data on smoke units on the web at: <http://www.trainweb.org/girr/tips/tips3/smoke_tips.html> All the smokers in the above reference were large scale (G) trains but still has some interesting data and results nicely compiled. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56389	From: michael prell	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Flyer Circus 353

I've seen quite a few Royal Blue 350's with actual wire rail trim, but never a 353 with wire trim. Were any made? What years? Thanks, Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56390	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353

Well I have seen only 2 with wire rails that I can say were for sure to be "legit" made probably in 1950 or early 51. I have also seen 3 Yellow circus engines I know to be legit as well. I think they also had the wire rails as well. On a last note, I have also seen 354 Silver Bullets with Red Paint under the flaking silver, possibly meaning these were 353's painted over at the plant --- On Wed, 9/30/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Circus 353 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:59 PM   I've seen quite a few Royal Blue 350's with actual wire rail trim, but never a 353 with wire trim. Were any made? What years? Thanks, Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56391	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353

Hi Mike,                       The 1948 Royal Blue and the 556 Pre War Royal Blue had wire handrails. The 1950 Royal Blue and the 1950 353 Circus Engine did not.  There is a possibility that the Gilbert factory had some leftover 1948 shells and could have painted some of those in the Circus color.                                              Tom Seccia                                               --- On Wed, 9/30/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Circus 353 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:59 PM   I've seen quite a few Royal Blue 350's with actual wire rail trim, but never a 353 with wire trim. Were any made? What years? Thanks, Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56392	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353

This seems unlikely since the 354 is a "second generation" Silver Bullet, having both a plastic shell and knuckle couplers. Also, the 350/353 shell is slightly different in shape from the 356/354 shell, as well as being metal instead of plastic. The top cowling is extended slightly farther forward on the 354/356 to align the smoke hole with the smoke unit. My guess is that this would be a 354 (or 356 if it has link couplers) turned into a circus engine then turned back into a 354. Maybe that is why the paint is flaking. Dale Smith Richard Falzini wrote: > > > > On a last note, I have also seen 354 Silver Bullets with Red Paint > under the flaking silver, possibly meaning these were 353's painted > over at the plant > > --- On Wed, 9/30/09, michael prell <mlprell@... > <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Circus 353 > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:59 PM > > > > I've seen quite a few Royal Blue 350's with actual wire rail trim, but > never a 353 with wire trim. Were any made? What years? > > Thanks, > > Mike Prell > > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56393	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353

Mike, I have been to a few train shows out here in Portland OR that had one dealer that had for sale repaints. The dealer was taking Royal blues trains, and stripping the paint off then repainting them in Circus colorers. They looked real good too. The only way I will buy one now is if the date stamp is inside the train with the dust, and dirt of age from use too was still on the train.  I do have one red circus trains with no wire rails, and the date stamp is in the cab too. I picked it up at a train show, and I had the red tender from one in a box of parts that I had picked up in the past. The train cost me $75.00 and the tender could of been $5.00 with the break down of the other parts. I also picked up all the flat cars, but I could only pick up repro loads. I do have some parts to some of the loads only. The new loads cost me $40.00 each. If you would like a photo of the train I can post one. Just ask me.    Clayton Milwaukie OR --- On Wed, 9/30/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Circus 353 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:59 PM   I've seen quite a few Royal Blue 350's with actual wire rail trim, but never a 353 with wire trim. Were any made? What years? Thanks, Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56394	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 9/30/2009
Subject: Flyonel Accessories For Sale

Flyonel Accessories 32987 NIB Hobo camp $50.00 49806 NIB Sawmill $115.00 12862 NIB Oil Drum Loader $100.00 49813 NIB Baggage Smash $105.00 Contact me offline at ejenterp@... Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56395	From: richs009	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353

To the extent the old Flyer catalogs are any guide, I took a quick look at the on-line catalogs at myflyertrains.org and found the following (all of the illustrations of the trains appear to be drawings, so there is the issue of differences between the artist's rendering and the actual production...): 1941 catalog (D1390) shows Royal Blue 556 with wire handrails. It also uses the term 'torpedo' to describe the engine 1944 listing "Roar of the Rails" shows a picture of a 'real' B&O Royal Blue train 1948 D1508 catalog shows Royal Blue 350 with wire hand rails 1949 catalogs - no listing 1950 D1578 shows a circus train (but the engine drawing appears to be a Royal Blue). Engine is described as a 'torpedo' with number 353. In addition, engine 350 is shown separately (also drawn with wire handrails) 1950 D1604 has a color drawing of a red 353 with wire handrails as part of a circus train set 1951 D1637 and D1640 both illustrate the 353 as part of the circus trainset - BUT showing cast handrails 1953 D1714 introduces engine 354 as part of the silver bullet passenger set (cast handrails) 1954 D1748 and D1760 catalogs show engine 354 (w/cast handrails) as part of train sets Doyle's "Standard Catalog of AF Trains" shows a picture of a red 353 with wire handrails, stating that its one of only two known with wire handrails. Lastly, as someone else has noted, the 354 and 356 silver bullet loco shells are slightly different than those used for the 350 and 353, as shown in the photos in the Doyle book and in Greenberg's Guide to AF S Gauge (1988) FWIW, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > I've seen quite a few Royal Blue 350's with actual wire rail trim, but never a 353 with wire trim. Were any made? What years? > Thanks, > Mike Prell > > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56396	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Circus 353

Hi Richard,                      No way a Silver Bullet was painted over a red shell.  354 & 356 Silver Bullets are all plastic shells with no reverse unit hole in the boiler. Painted over black plastic. Revese Units in the tender on 354 & 356. Reverse Unit in boiler 350 & 356.  Yellow 353 Circus Engine big question.                                                 Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Circus 353 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:39 PM   Well I have seen only 2 with wire rails that I can say were for sure to be "legit" made probably in 1950 or early 51. I have also seen 3 Yellow circus engines I know to be legit as well. I think they also had the wire rails as well. On a last note, I have also seen 354 Silver Bullets with Red Paint under the flaking silver, possibly meaning these were 353's painted over at the plant --- On Wed, 9/30/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Circus 353 To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:59 PM I've seen quite a few Royal Blue 350's with actual wire rail trim, but never a 353 with wire trim. Were any made? What years? Thanks, Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56397	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Flyer Circus #353

I have to agree with there being no plastic Circus locos. I've seen both the Royal Blue and Circus locos as well as the Silver Bullets come through the hobby shop and at train shows. I also rebuilt and customized a streamliner out of a junk box a two years ago, learning more of the differences. The metal boilered Royal Blue and Circus locos are slightly different in appearance from the later plastic versions. They look better with separate wire handrailing and run better due to the diecast shell. I particularly like the Royal Blue version. The later plastic streamline engine DID have smoke and choo-choo in it's favor, but lacked pulling power with the lighter plastic shell to the point that it was only offered in sets with very few cars. Even with the addition of weight, the one I have doesn't pull well at all. I've thought about trying to swap Pull-Mor traction wheels onto it, finding a metal shell for it, parking it for display only, or just getting rid of it. The streamliner locos were vasty underscale and required some parts unique to them alone, which is probably why they were dropped from the Gilbert line. From this I would conclude that if you see a plastic shelled "Circus" loco, it is obviously bogus! And if you like to run your trains, forget the plastic boilered version of the streamliner. Stumpy Stone...giver of life to junk box trains...but the plastic streamliner was a mistake!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56398	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Thanks, Guys!

It never fails to impress me as to how dedicated and knowledgeable this group is. Thanks to all of you who answered my recent question about the Flyer Circus engine. I have one that my Dad gave to me when I was a little guy. It's one of the very few things from my childhood that survived. The question asked came from the one that pops up from time to time, namely, "I wonder why....." Sometimes I wonder if I should ask for fear of appearing ignorant. This time I'm glad I did. Thanks, guys! Mike-looking for heat in S-yracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56399	From: David	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: L&N Reefer

Hi Folks, Well, we posted another of our items of rolling stock. This time we have a #1898 L&N refrigerator car build up from an AF #802. Please follow link below to view. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/261044476/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank all of you for your indulgance in our endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56400	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Circus Train Part Deux

As a follow up, knowing this was mentioned but what the heck. I just received an issue of the 1950 Gilbert catalog. Page 19 shows a very nice red 353 with wire rails. It would have been a true beauty had they made it. Oh well! At least we have the catalog. Thanks again for the input! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56401	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: L&N Reefer

That is ONE very nice looking reefer! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 10/1/09, David <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] L&N Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 1:39 PM   Hi Folks, Well, we posted another of our items of rolling stock. This time we have a #1898 L&N refrigerator car build up from an AF #802. Please follow link below to view. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/261044476/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Thank all of you for your indulgance in our endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56402	From: Ted Walton	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: AF 977 caboose with brakeman

I have a 977 lighted caboose with the operating brakeman. I don't have a layout to run the car, but it seem that current would be continuously supplied to the solenoid from the wheels during operation. If so, how does the brakeman move back and forth with the solenoid always on and holding the brakeman in a fixed position. Second, with current continuously supplied to the solenoid, would it not over heat and eventually burn out. My car seems to operate with test leads. What am I missing here. Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.2/2408 - Release Date: 10/01/09 18:23:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56403	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Train Part Deux

Hi Mike,                       Think about it this way, the 353 Circus engine didn't have SMOKE!                                                         Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/1/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Circus Train Part Deux To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 12:18 PM   As a follow up, knowing this was mentioned but what the heck. I just received an issue of the 1950 Gilbert catalog. Page 19 shows a very nice red 353 with wire rails. It would have been a true beauty had they made it. Oh well! At least we have the catalog. Thanks again for the input! Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56404	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 977 caboose with brakeman

Only thing you are missing is some anxiety pills. LOL The solenoid does not draw enough current to make much difference and will not overheat. The solenoid holds the brakeman in. When it is staionary and no current to the tarin he hangs out. Run it and enjoy! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Walton To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 977 caboose with brakeman I have a 977 lighted caboose with the operating brakeman. I don't have a layout to run the car, but it seem that current would be continuously supplied to the solenoid from the wheels during operation. If so, how does the brakeman move back and forth with the solenoid always on and holding the brakeman in a fixed position. Second, with current continuously supplied to the solenoid, would it not over heat and eventually burn out. My car seems to operate with test leads. What am I missing here. Ted ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.2/2408 - Release Date: 10/01/09 18:23:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56405	From: michael prell	Date: 10/1/2009
Subject: Re: Circus Train Part Deux

Yeah, but it was SMOKEN' just the same! {;>)   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Circus Train Part Deux To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 8:55 PM   Hi Mike,                       Think about it this way, the 353 Circus engine didn't have SMOKE!                                                         Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/1/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Circus Train Part Deux To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 12:18 PM   As a follow up, knowing this was mentioned but what the heck. I just received an issue of the 1950 Gilbert catalog. Page 19 shows a very nice red 353 with wire rails. It would have been a true beauty had they made it. Oh well! At least we have the catalog. Thanks again for the input! Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56406	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: L&N Reefer

Mike,      Thank you. We really try to give our clients what they want.      Have a GREAT WEEK END. ;o) Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Thu, 10/1/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] L&N Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 5:48 PM   That is ONE very nice looking reefer! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 10/1/09, David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] L&N Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 1:39 PM   Hi Folks, Well, we posted another of our items of rolling stock. This time we have a #1898 L&N refrigerator car build up from an AF #802. Please follow link below to view. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/261044476/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Thank all of you for your indulgance in our endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56407	From: afjeff_56	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet (SVD)

Hello All, Our annual River City Toy Train Swap Meet will be held Saturday October,3 from 10am to 3pm. At the Scottish Rite Center, 6151 H Street, Sacramento, California. It is hosted by the Sacramento Valley Division of the Toy Train Operating Society (TTOS) . There will be all Gauge's of Trains. Yes Plenty of S Gauge "American Flyer" to Buy, Trade, or Sell. There will be Operating Train Layouts, Door Prizes, Refreshments. Hope to See you West Coasters come out! Jeff Silvera (916) 481-4694

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56408	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Big Train show near Cleveland

There's a really big train show at the Cuyahoga County Fair Grounds in Berea, Ohio, this Saturday 10 am - 5 pm and Sunday 11 am - 4 pm. Many halls full of trains, including lots of AF. The CVSG group will probably have several layouts, as they have done in the past, and I will be selling SHS, AM, &c in the next building. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13400 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56409	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: THE LIONEL AF MIKADO SMOKER

Thanks. Good smoke unit info and specs summary table.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56410	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: York - Open House

Hi All ! You Are Invited To; OPEN HOUSE - WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 14, 2009 at TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED 38 YORK STREET HANOVER, PA 17331 FOOD - DRINKS - GREAT TRAIN CONVERSATION AMERICAN FLYER, LIONEL FLYER, S-HEPLER, AMERICAN MODELS ATTENTION!!! WE WILL OPEN AN ORIGINAL, SEALED AT THE FACTORY, A. C. GILBERT AF BOXED SET @ 4:00 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56411	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Silver bullet engines & 977 crummies

HI all, Sorry Stumpy, I think the Silver Bullet engine WITH pullmore wheels is great to put in front of AF streamliner cars. The one I had/have as a kid was used just for that. Because the wheels slipped so easily, i put friction tape on the rear drivers--very carefully. It worked back then, I don't know about now! And I ran that puppy through the yard tracks and up and down grades with 4 passenger cars behind it--and one was the aluminum combo car! On my Dayligh conversions of junk royal blues, besided filling the reverse lever hole, I redrill the top of the smoke unit so the stack comes out where it needs to on those boiler shells. Oops, I just let out a trade secret!! Ted, your brakeman comes out and looks down the track to see why he's stopped, so he only does that when there's no power on! I've added a diode to mine, so he can't hum--he was never in key, and the tune left something to be desired! :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56412	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: Silver bullet engines & 977 crummies

Hey Dave & others, has anyone tried belt dressing? It is like liquid rubber & if applied right should work, Mike in Ore In a message dated 10/2/2009 5:05:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, djdewey@... writes: HI all, Sorry Stumpy, I think the Silver Bullet engine WITH pullmore wheels is great to put in front of AF streamliner cars. The one I had/have as a kid was used just for that. Because the wheels slipped so easily, i put friction tape on the rear drivers--very carefully. It worked back then, I don't know about now! And I ran that puppy through the yard tracks and up and down grades with 4 passenger cars behind it--and one was the aluminum combo car! On my Dayligh conversions of junk royal blues, besided filling the reverse lever hole, I redrill the top of the smoke unit so the stack comes out where it needs to on those boiler shells. Oops, I just let out a trade secret!! Ted, your brakeman comes out and looks down the track to see why he's stopped, so he only does that when there's no power on! I've added a diode to mine, so he can't hum--he was never in key, and the tune left something to be desired! :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56413	From: lember2004	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?

Just acquired a Gilbert AF O 3/16 baggage car with working built-in whistle, made in 1940-41. The whistle operates on DC; originally the car came with a button controller that when pressed sent a shot of DC down the rails. This is similar to how the post-war 314AW tender whistle works. Anyone know if using the control box for the 314W would properly operate the 490 whistle? As always, thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56414	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?

I never attempted this, however I wonder how a Lionel transformer such as a 1040 would work Rich --- On Fri, 10/2/09, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:26 PM   Just acquired a Gilbert AF O 3/16 baggage car with working built-in whistle, made in 1940-41. The whistle operates on DC; originally the car came with a button controller that when pressed sent a shot of DC down the rails. This is similar to how the post-war 314AW tender whistle works. Anyone know if using the control box for the 314W would properly operate the 490 whistle? As always, thanks! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56415	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/2/2009
Subject: Slippery Silver Bullet

Hey! friction tape, great idea! I should have thought of that! I'll give that a try. Mike Strickland just e-mailed me and suggested automobile belt dressing ot help traction! Any other ideas out there for my slippery Bullet? Stumpy...I feel real dumb now...in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56416	From: lember2004	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: from "Shiffy" Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in

The following reply is from Art "Shiffy" Shifrin, who asked it be posted to the group: Hi Mark, I've never had the privilege of opening and examining a 314AW tender but at least I'll explain the workings of the 490. BTW 316s O was made until mid '42. Manufacturing was not terminated in '41. The e units are wired so that progressions of the drum alternate on, then off (or vice versa of course). The coil of the e-unit's in series with the switched contact of the DC relay. Thusly, once activated, the whistle stays on until the relay receives the next pulse of DC, be it intentional via the controller, or serendipitous from some spark emanating from the layout. A variant of this design was used on some of the 3/16s O engines (i.e. 531 & 5640 Hudsons, 559 Pacific, 533, 534, 571 & 806 Northerns). Also note that I've seen 571s with and without the DC relay. (3/16s O engines made without the DC relay were 565 Atlantic, 553 & 556 Bullets, 561 Pacific & 570 Hudson.) Their e units' contacts were wired for forward - stop - reverse. The e-units' coils were wired in series with the DC relay so that cuts in power would ostensibly not cause changes in running mode when power was subsequently reapplied. Accidental sparks could of course, result in progression of the e unit & cause directional changes & stalls while an engine was running. So please educate me, is this the same as the 314AW's whistle? [Thanks Shiffy; unfortunately, I cannot answer the question of if that is how the 314AW tender works internally - Mark]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56417	From: tbennerohio	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Electronic Whistle Control sounds

Hi folks, It's been a long hot summer working on the house (new deck, screened porch, patio, gutters, geothermal... everything but a train room). Now that it's getting chilly it's time for trains again and it sure is good to be back. Last Spring I rebuilt an unnumbered Electronic Whistle Control, replacing all the capacitors, resistors and the tube. Part of the reason for doing this was because I never heard one and and was curious about what they sounded like. I had read that they were unsuccessful for a number of reasons; including too expensive to make and poor sound volume. These may both be true but I sure like mine. While the circuit is not complex it would not have been cheap to manufacture as these were hand soldered, the old-fashioned way. And the tuning may have been more than the average guy wanted to tinker with. The volume can be made about as loud as an airchime tube if it is tuned properly, but if one can be satisfied with a little less volume they can make a more pleasing sound... only my opinion, of course. But you can decide for yourself. I made some quick recordings and posted them at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power_off.mp3 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power_off.mp3\ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power-on.mp3 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power-on.mp3> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/325ac_running.\ mp3 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/325ac_running\ .mp3> Please forgive the dirty track sounds as I just ran a dragger cleaner a few laps before recording. I'll replace the recordings with better ones after I get up there and give the track a thorough cleaning. (Getting up there is one of the drawbacks of a ceiling layout) If you ever wondered what these sounded like, here's your chance. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56418	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet

Hi Stumpy, In the wild days of my youth, we used silicone rubber as a thin, high-friction coating for our slot car tires. We would put the tire on an axle in a hand drill, turn it on slowly and smear the silicone goo with our fingers until it was smooth. After it cured, it was pretty strong and had great grip. The NASA technicians learned that ice makes a great forming tool for the silicone as it comes from the tube. They had ice cube trays with popsicle sticks in each piece to make silicone-forming-tools to which nothing could stick. That would be better than fingers for the application and smoothing phase. The cured rubber is not very strong in the formulations we see in tubes today. So, it would need to be thicker than the paper thickness we used on our tires. It might work for a cast-in-place traction tire. I keep thinking I want to try it and maybe I will, someday. It is bound to have more grip than neoprene bands. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Slippery Silver Bullet Hey! friction tape, great idea! I should have thought of that! I'll give that a try. Mike Strickland just e-mailed me and suggested automobile belt dressing ot help traction! Any other ideas out there for my slippery Bullet? Stumpy...I feel real dumb now...in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56419	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet

Stumpy, Have you you checked out the Frog Snot, Doug at Portlines is carrying it. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:21:26 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Slippery Silver Bullet Hey! friction tape, great idea! I should have thought of that! I'll give that a try. Mike Strickland just e-mailed me and suggested automobile belt dressing ot help traction! Any other ideas out there for my slippery Bullet? Stumpy...I feel real dumb now...in Appalachia _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56420	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control sounds

Hi Tim, I did the same thing with two, Electronic Whistle Controllers. I agree with you!! I think you get a far superior sound out of them than with the "vibrator tube" controllers. The ability to "tune" the sound with the variable capacitors allows you to get a wide range of tones out of the Air Chime Whistle. I have one controller "tuned' for the diesels and the other one set to what I think is more appropriate sound for a steam whistle. Daryl tbennerohio wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > It's been a long hot summer working on the house (new deck, screened > porch, patio, gutters, geothermal... everything but a train room). Now > that it's getting chilly it's time for trains again and it sure is good > to be back. > > Last Spring I rebuilt an unnumbered Electronic Whistle Control, > replacing all the capacitors, resistors and the tube. Part of the > reason for doing this was because I never heard one and and was curious > about what they sounded like. I had read that they were unsuccessful > for a number of reasons; including too expensive to make and poor sound > volume. These may both be true but I sure like mine. > > While the circuit is not complex it would not have been cheap to > manufacture as these were hand soldered, the old-fashioned way. And the > tuning may have been more than the average guy wanted to tinker with. > The volume can be made about as loud as an airchime tube if it is tuned > properly, but if one can be satisfied with a little less volume they can > make a more pleasing sound... only my opinion, of course. > > But you can decide for yourself. I made some quick recordings and > posted them at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power_off.mp3 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power_off.mp3> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power_off.mp3\ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power_off.mp3>> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power-on.mp3 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power-on.mp3> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power-on.mp3 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/power-on.mp3>> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/325ac_running.\ > mp3 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/325ac_running.mp3> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/325ac_running\ > .mp3 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/325ac_running.mp3>> > > Please forgive the dirty track sounds as I just ran a dragger cleaner a > few laps before recording. I'll replace the recordings with better ones > after I get up there and give the track a thorough cleaning. (Getting > up there is one of the drawbacks of a ceiling layout) > > If you ever wondered what these sounded like, here's your chance. > > Regards, > > Tim Benner > > Dayton, Ohio > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56421	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet

NOT TOO LATE to plan to visit the RCTHS 30th Annual Fall Train Meet in Leesport, tomorrow Sunday, OCT 4th. Doors open 9 AM, show runs til 1 to 1:30 PM. Adult Admission is $4.00. Show is ALL Gauges and Scales, NEW & USED. Show is held in the LEESPORT Farmers Market, PA RT 61, just north of Leesport, south of Hamburg and Rts 22/78. Outdoor Fleea Market will also be going on. Contact DALE for late table info--610-372-3759 Jim "I'll be there at 0600" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: This week at SHS…

This week at SHS… This has been a hectic month here at SHS. A new shipment of 00259 20” radius 30˚ curved track was picked up last week. These have been out of stock for some time now. I believe we have filled all of the back orders. We are now making up 00256 40” X 60” track sets and hope to fill all of the hobby shop orders next week. http://www.showcaseline.com/track/SectionalTrack.html October’s shipment should leave next week and include new stock cars, double sheathed boxcars The freight cars will be the 3M and TH&B double sheathed boxcars. Stock cars will include UP, CB&Q and the new CP Rail. Our Christmas Cars (2009 GN Christmas boxcar with tree) may be part of this shipment too . Robin told me they sold out in August, but you can still check with our dealers. This will be the earliest we have sold out of this offering. The other items can still be ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html We waiting for our next new coil load for our Bulkhead flatcars. This car features two assembled reels on a laser cut rack. The price for these is $74.95. We still have the four gray coil loads that are also held in place by laser cut chocks, but we are now putting these on Bulkhead flatcars. The same for the few tarp covered coil loads that we have in stock, the price is $62.95. We have sold out of PRR, AT&SF, SP and Reading flatcars with only the ACL in stock. http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/BHFC/bhfc_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html A very interesting e-mail came to me last week regarding a 1/64” scale die-cast International TranStar tractor with a vintage 40’ Santa Fe trailer. The cost for the pair is $49.94 and only sold as a set. The image was stunning, very detailed. We have to add $1.50 to the shipping as the die-cast set weight is 1.1 lbs. These are expected the beginning of next month and we are taking online orders with a $15 deposit. I have been after several 1/64” scale die-cast mfgs for a long time to produce older equipment. We hope these do well. http://www.showcaseline.com/OtherProducts/ TrucksTrailersContainers.html Re: Arch Bar Trucks – We are putting out a very limited number of Arch Bar truck kits. These are lost wax brass sideframes and bolsters. They will use the same Celcon bearings our our injection molded Zamac trucks. We will be offering this kits with a choice of code or and American Flyer compatible wheelsets The cost of a pair of truck kits is $35. More on these next month. Re- Code 110 2-8-0 News – We have been shipping these again. Bill Clark has added them again to our website. If anyone would like a code 110 2-8-0, please let Robin know. http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/2-8-0_in_stock.html More DCC news…. We are now installing the QSI Revolution U DCC sound decoders in our early runs of SW9s. We found a baffled high base speaker that fits quite nicely. The cost is $179.95 plus $12 for S/H. So far we have not located a speaker that easily will fit in our SW1. We are still installing the Tsunamis for the 2-8-0 and our in stock switchers. Lastly…Top 5 items purchased in August… #4 Prima Beer Reefer (#02050) #3 NWX “Eatmor Cranberries” reefer (#02045) #3 Gray Coil Loads on flat car (#02065) #2 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer (#01951, 52 & 57) #1 Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Reefer (#02043 & 44) I hope to see everyone at York… Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56423	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet

Hi Stump,                       I believe all of the parts dealers have rubber tires to glue on the rims.  That would include Triple "S' Supplies, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, Doug Peck.  I believe Leventon offers a kit with glue.    This made be easier than some of the other methods being suggested.   I am currently out of stock.                                                   Tom Seccia                                                    Triple "S" supplies                               --- On Fri, 10/2/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Slippery Silver Bullet To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 9:21 PM   Hey! friction tape, great idea! I should have thought of that! I'll give that a try. Mike Strickland just e-mailed me and suggested automobile belt dressing ot help traction! Any other ideas out there for my slippery Bullet? Stumpy...I feel real dumb now...in Appalachia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56424	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?

Hi Rich,                    A Lionel 1040 Transformer will not replace a 314AW controller.  I had some controllers made some years ago.  While the Lionel transformers do have whistle connections, these also have additional voltage and wattage power.   There are some Pre War Lionel whistle controllers that you may be able to use to control the 314AW whistle.  These wire separate from the transformer.                                                    Tom Seccia                     --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 9:24 PM   I never attempted this, however I wonder how a Lionel transformer such as a 1040 would work Rich --- On Fri, 10/2/09, lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. com> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:26 PM Just acquired a Gilbert AF O 3/16 baggage car with working built-in whistle, made in 1940-41. The whistle operates on DC; originally the car came with a button controller that when pressed sent a shot of DC down the rails. This is similar to how the post-war 314AW tender whistle works. Anyone know if using the control box for the 314W would properly operate the 490 whistle? As always, thanks! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56425	From: portlines	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet

Unfortunately, I believe everyone of us are out of those glue-on bands; they are no longer produced. Frankly, I never cared for them much anyway, as they simply don't last very long. That's the main reason we had the repro pullmor rims made, with a vulcanized rubber tread, like originals. And repro pullmor diesel wheels as well. They can also be used on engines that never had pullmor wheels originally. Use those, and they'll outlive us! Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Stump, >                       I believe all of the parts dealers have rubber tires to glue on the rims.  That would include Triple "S' Supplies, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, Doug Peck.  I believe Leventon offers a kit with glue.    This made be easier than some of the other methods being suggested.   I am currently out of stock. >                                                   Tom Seccia >                                                    Triple "S" supplies >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56426	From: portlines	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?

We have repro 314AW controls, but that's NOT what Mark is looking for. He wants to be able to operate the prewar 490 Whistling Baggage car, and his original question was whether a 314AW control might do so. Doug Peck Port Lines. www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich, >                    A Lionel 1040 Transformer will not replace a 314AW controller.  I had some controllers made some years ago.  While the Lionel transformers do have whistle connections, these also have additional voltage and wattage power.   There are some Pre War Lionel whistle controllers that you may be able to use to control the 314AW whistle.  These wire separate from the transformer. >                                                    Tom Seccia >                     > > > > Just acquired a Gilbert AF O 3/16 baggage car with working built-in whistle, made in 1940-41. The whistle operates on DC; originally the car came with a button controller that when pressed sent a shot of DC down the rails. This is similar to how the post-war 314AW tender whistle works. Anyone know if using the control box for the 314W would properly operate the 490 whistle? As always, thanks! Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56427	From: richs009	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet

So what about the Bullfrog Snot (full points for clever name) as an alternative? Doug, you carry it. Does anyone have any experience using it, i.e., does it work and how often does it need to be redone? - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "portlines" <doug@...> wrote: > > Unfortunately, I believe everyone of us are out of those glue-on bands; they are no longer produced. Frankly, I never cared for them much anyway, as they simply don't last very long. That's the main reason we had the repro pullmor rims made, with a vulcanized rubber tread, like originals. And repro pullmor diesel wheels as well. > They can also be used on engines that never had pullmor wheels originally. > Use those, and they'll outlive us! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > www.flyerparts.com > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote: > > > > Hi Stump, > >                       I believe all of the parts dealers have rubber tires to glue on the rims.  That would include Triple "S' Supplies, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, Doug Peck.  I believe Leventon offers a kit with glue.    This made be easier than some of the other methods being suggested.   I am currently out of stock. > >                                                   Tom Seccia > >                                                    Triple "S" supplies > >                               >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56428	From: AlR	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: 6 wheel trucks set for sale

I have two sets of 6-wheels trucks for tenders that have the power pickup on them - they really have only 4 wheels - the middle wheel area is where the power pickup is located - one set has link couplers, the other set has knuckle couplers - 4 wheels included on each truck. Selling each set for $16.00 - plus shipping costs. I have two 6-wheel trucks each with all 6 wheels but without power pickups or coupler arms. They are for sale for $12 each - plus shipping costs. I also have three 6-wheel trucks without wheels. One has a knuckle coupler, one has a link coupler, and one has a link coupler arm with no link coupler. Each is for sale for $6 each - plus shipping costs. E-mail me off the site for details. Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56429	From: David	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: #53 FY & PRR (RED) Box Car

Hi Folks, Well, here we are once more with another F.Y. & P.R.R. piece of rolling stock. This time we painted an AF #24052 box car red and applied LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals so now the car is a #53 F.Y. & P.R.R. "NEW HAVEN horse drawn CARRIAGES" red box car. Please follow the link below to enjoy a look at this special car. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/87053472/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for indulgeing us. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56430	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Slippery Silver Bullet

Google "frog snot" for info on traction tires. " Bull Frog Snot is actually a high performance liquid plastic which makes some of the most amazing traction tyres" Bob George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56431	From: David	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet

Doug, We still have our own brand of glue on traction tires that we had made from exterior grade neopreme type rubber and have always been rated better than the tires that everyone else had. At $1.49 per pair which includes shipping is quite a deal still. We have these for the standard steam engine "S" wheels as well as for the steam engine 0-8-0's. Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "portlines" <doug@...> wrote: > > Unfortunately, I believe everyone of us are out of those glue-on bands; they are no longer produced. Frankly, I never cared for them much anyway, as they simply don't last very long. That's the main reason we had the repro pullmor rims made, with a vulcanized rubber tread, like originals. And repro pullmor diesel wheels as well. > They can also be used on engines that never had pullmor wheels originally. > Use those, and they'll outlive us! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > www.flyerparts.com > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote: > > > > Hi Stump, > >                       I believe all of the parts dealers have rubber tires to glue on the rims.  That would include Triple "S' Supplies, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, Doug Peck.  I believe Leventon offers a kit with glue.    This made be easier than some of the other methods being suggested.   I am currently out of stock. > >                                                   Tom Seccia > >                                                    Triple "S" supplies > >                               >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56432	From: portlines	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: Re: Slippery Silver Bullet

B.S. has a good reputation, although I have not used it myself. I've sold quite a lot of it, however, and have not had a single complaint about it. It is VERY important to follow directions regarding application, or else you will have a lumpy surface on the wheel! My apology to LBR.....I was not aware that they were making replacement traction bands for pullmor wheels Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > So what about the Bullfrog Snot (full points for clever name) as an alternative? Doug, you carry it. Does anyone have any experience using it, i.e., does it work and how often does it need to be redone? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "portlines" <doug@> wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, I believe everyone of us are out of those glue-on bands; they are no longer produced. Frankly, I never cared for them much anyway, as they simply don't last very long. That's the main reason we had the repro pullmor rims made, with a vulcanized rubber tread, like originals. And repro pullmor diesel wheels as well. > > They can also be used on engines that never had pullmor wheels originally. > > Use those, and they'll outlive us! > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines > > www.flyerparts.com > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stump, > > >                       I believe all of the parts dealers have rubber tires to glue on the rims.  That would include Triple "S' Supplies, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, Doug Peck.  I believe Leventon offers a kit with glue.    This made be easier than some of the other methods being suggested.   I am currently out of stock. > > >                                                   Tom Seccia > > >                                                    Triple "S" supplies > > >                               > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56433	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/4/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56434	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Mystery Franklin

I have recently picked up a 21088 Franlkin mounted on a presentation board with track, roadbed and plaque. It apparently has never has a motor or smoke unit installed and has a Pikemaster coupler. Doyle's book pg 33 lists it as a type VI but doesn't have a value because it is too rare. It is in poor condition, missing the stack, has a large crack on the tank end of the tender and is very dirty. Anybody know why it was made and the approximate value? Sam W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56435	From: portlines	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin

Sam, I own one of those, I've sold a second one, and I've seen 3-4 additional ones. They were presentation pieces from ACG to sales execs at various stores and AF dealers. I've seen estimates of quantity ranging from 50 to 200....so who knows. Because of the number I've seen myself, I'd lean toward the higher quantity. You are correct in that they did not have an installed motor, smoke unit, e-unit, etc. Value??? I've seen them priced anywhere from about $200 to over $1000. Condition of yours sounds like it's toward the lower end??? I'd hesitate to put the word "rare" on it. Uncommon....yes. You mention "Pikemaster coupler". Are you sure you don't mean a solid knuckle coupler? I've never heard of this piece with Pikemaster trucks. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON" <seaboard2@...> wrote: > > I have recently picked up a 21088 Franlkin mounted on a presentation board with track, roadbed and plaque. It apparently has never has a motor or smoke unit installed and has a Pikemaster coupler. > > Doyle's book pg 33 lists it as a type VI but doesn't have a value because it is too rare. > > It is in poor condition, missing the stack, has a large crack on the tank end of the tender and is very dirty. > > Anybody know why it was made and the approximate value? > > Sam W > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56436	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin

Sam -   Don't know about the value but I have one on the plaque with the brass plate - never had a motor, missing a couple of the tender stickers - and it was made into a lamp with the socket mount pole coming up through the roof of the cab. This one has a knuckle coupler and there is standard track with rubber roadbed on the plaque. I am curious as to what the lamp shade would have been. Guessing these were given out as some sort of presentation or award. Perhaps to sales people, distributors and so forth for selling a lot of Franklins.   Bill Drake Fall is here in St. Louis --- On Sun, 10/4/09, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...> wrote: From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 10:36 AM   I have recently picked up a 21088 Franlkin mounted on a presentation board with track, roadbed and plaque. It apparently has never has a motor or smoke unit installed and has a Pikemaster coupler. Doyle's book pg 33 lists it as a type VI but doesn't have a value because it is too rare. It is in poor condition, missing the stack, has a large crack on the tank end of the tender and is very dirty. Anybody know why it was made and the approximate value? Sam W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56437	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Will the 314AW controller also work the whistle in a 490?

Has anyone tried current Lionel Railsound Buttons? They work fine for me on a flyer transformer to Operate bell and horn/whistle. They work by pulsing DC of the required polarity onto the transformer output. I have no Flyer or Gilbert old style to experiment on. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56438	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin

Hi, I'm quite aware of this Franklin and I do believe it was for dept. heads etc. I have seen pictures of a friends who had these ( I had 3 friends with them ) The ones I have seen had never had a lamp post attached to them. I'm curious as to whether this owner attached this himself? Just wondering? --- Rich ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 12:20:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin Sam - Don't know about the value but I have one on the plaque with the brass plate - never had a motor, missing a couple of the tender stickers - and it was made into a lamp with the socket mount pole coming up through the roof of the cab. This one has a knuckle coupler and there is standard track with rubber roadbed on the plaque. I am curious as to what the lamp shade would have been. Guessing these were given out as some sort of presentation or award. Perhaps to sales people, distributors and so forth for selling a lot of Franklins. Bill Drake Fall is here in St. Louis --- On Sun, 10/4/09, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> wrote: From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 10:36 AM I have recently picked up a 21088 Franlkin mounted on a presentation board with track, roadbed and plaque. It apparently has never has a motor or smoke unit installed and has a Pikemaster coupler. Doyle's book pg 33 lists it as a type VI but doesn't have a value because it is too rare. It is in poor condition, missing the stack, has a large crack on the tank end of the tender and is very dirty. Anybody know why it was made and the approximate value? Sam W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56439	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin

Hi, what about the cut away store displays that show the insides  of the train? Do any of you know of any one having one, and how much $$ they would be on the "S" market?? Sam brings up this thought of awards, and other non running things they may of been use for tools to sell trains. Thanks for the info on this. I have yet to see one of what you are talking about. I may of thought it was fake, and now I know better.  Clayton  Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 9:20 AM   Sam -   Don't know about the value but I have one on the plaque with the brass plate - never had a motor, missing a couple of the tender stickers - and it was made into a lamp with the socket mount pole coming up through the roof of the cab. This one has a knuckle coupler and there is standard track with rubber roadbed on the plaque. I am curious as to what the lamp shade would have been. Guessing these were given out as some sort of presentation or award. Perhaps to sales people, distributors and so forth for selling a lot of Franklins.   Bill Drake Fall is here in St. Louis --- On Sun, 10/4/09, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> wrote: From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 10:36 AM   I have recently picked up a 21088 Franlkin mounted on a presentation board with track, roadbed and plaque. It apparently has never has a motor or smoke unit installed and has a Pikemaster coupler. Doyle's book pg 33 lists it as a type VI but doesn't have a value because it is too rare. It is in poor condition, missing the stack, has a large crack on the tank end of the tender and is very dirty. Anybody know why it was made and the approximate value? Sam W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56440	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin

See photos under "Bill's American Flyer". I have looked closely at this and don't know for sure. It is not a "hack" job as the alignment and the holes are clean and professional looking. The base and the Franklin are similar to others I have seen photos of. I checked with the Greenberg Flyer author and there doesn't seem to be any knowledge of another lamp. The place I got it didn't know anything about it either.   The base, brass nameplate, unpowered loco screwed to the base, track and rubber roadbed all seem to be similar to the others without the lamp parts. I haven't taken the felt off of the base to see how the wiring is done and the lamp parts are fastened to the base. Always interesting stuff coming out of the woodwork.   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 12:58 PM   Hi, I'm quite aware of this Franklin and I do believe it was for dept. heads etc. I have seen pictures of a friends who had these ( I had 3 friends with them ) The ones I have seen had never had a lamp post attached to them. I'm curious as to whether this owner attached this himself? Just wondering? --- Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 12:20:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin Sam - Don't know about the value but I have one on the plaque with the brass plate - never had a motor, missing a couple of the tender stickers - and it was made into a lamp with the socket mount pole coming up through the roof of the cab. This one has a knuckle coupler and there is standard track with rubber roadbed on the plaque. I am curious as to what the lamp shade would have been. Guessing these were given out as some sort of presentation or award. Perhaps to sales people, distributors and so forth for selling a lot of Franklins. Bill Drake Fall is here in St. Louis --- On Sun, 10/4/09, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> wrote: From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 10:36 AM I have recently picked up a 21088 Franlkin mounted on a presentation board with track, roadbed and plaque. It apparently has never has a motor or smoke unit installed and has a Pikemaster coupler. Doyle's book pg 33 lists it as a type VI but doesn't have a value because it is too rare. It is in poor condition, missing the stack, has a large crack on the tank end of the tender and is very dirty. Anybody know why it was made and the approximate value? Sam W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56441	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin

Some photos of the lamp are in the photos under "Bill's American Flyer"   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 10/4/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 11:51 AM    Hi, what about the cut away store displays that show the insides  of the train? Do any of you know of any one having one, and how much $$ they would be on the "S" market?? Sam brings up this thought of awards, and other non running things they may of been use for tools to sell trains. Thanks for the info on this. I have yet to see one of what you are talking about. I may of thought it was fake, and now I know better.  Clayton  Milwaukie OR --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 9:20 AM   Sam -   Don't know about the value but I have one on the plaque with the brass plate - never had a motor, missing a couple of the tender stickers - and it was made into a lamp with the socket mount pole coming up through the roof of the cab. This one has a knuckle coupler and there is standard track with rubber roadbed on the plaque. I am curious as to what the lamp shade would have been. Guessing these were given out as some sort of presentation or award. Perhaps to sales people, distributors and so forth for selling a lot of Franklins.   Bill Drake Fall is here in St. Louis --- On Sun, 10/4/09, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> wrote: From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@verizon. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Mystery Franklin To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 10:36 AM   I have recently picked up a 21088 Franlkin mounted on a presentation board with track, roadbed and plaque. It apparently has never has a motor or smoke unit installed and has a Pikemaster coupler. Doyle's book pg 33 lists it as a type VI but doesn't have a value because it is too rare. It is in poor condition, missing the stack, has a large crack on the tank end of the tender and is very dirty. Anybody know why it was made and the approximate value? Sam W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56442	From: wisner_mark	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: AF 283 - Jerky

283 with a DC motor and a decoder will not run. Track Power is fine, new copper wheels for pick up. Have power to Loco. Loco will jump maybe 4 inches in forward and then back when I reverse direction. What can be binding.? everything seems free. What is the next check.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/4/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56444	From: portlines	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Mystery Franklin

The Franklin display piece that I once had and sold did in fact have a lamp. It's been a lot of years, so I don't know how accurate my memory is of it, but as I recall, at the time, I felt it was a "home-made" alteration, and not original to the piece. I also have no recollection at all of any felt on the base. I've heard of no others that were lamps. Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > See photos under "Bill's American Flyer". I have looked closely at this and don't know for sure. It is not a "hack" job as the alignment and the holes are clean and professional looking. The base and the Franklin are similar to others I have seen photos of. I checked with the Greenberg Flyer author and there doesn't seem to be any knowledge of another lamp. The place I got it didn't know anything about it either. >   > The base, brass nameplate, unpowered loco screwed to the base, track and rubber roadbed all seem to be similar to the others without the lamp parts. I haven't taken the felt off of the base to see how the wiring is done and the lamp parts are fastened to the base. Always interesting stuff coming out of the woodwork. >   > Bill Drake >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56445	From: portlines	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 - Jerky

Just a guess, but it sounds like the gear shaft on the can motor is not meshed properly with the axle gear and/or the smoke gear. Remove the can motor, and re-install it. Is the axle gear (worm gear) perfectly centered on the axle, beneath the worm? Is the smoke gear mounted as firmly as possible, with minimal :slop" ? Doug Peck Port Lines www.flyerparts.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wisner_mark" <wisner_mark@...> wrote: > > 283 with a DC motor and a decoder will not run. > Track Power is fine, new copper wheels for pick up. Have power to Loco. > Loco will jump maybe 4 inches in forward and then back when I reverse direction. What can be binding.? everything seems free. > What is the next check. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56446	From: jim patterson	Date: 10/4/2009
Subject: Re: Boxes for the AF switches

Hi. All Which type of switch units are the boxes for R/C or ML, and How much. --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Johntech <beebear@...> wrote: > From: Johntech <beebear@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Boxes for the AF switches > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 4:21 PM > I was digging around my stuff the > other day and came across 3 or 4 original > AF cardboard boxes > for the track switches. They are a little battered but > still  usable anyone > interested in a sale or trade? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >     mailto:S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56447	From: David	Date: 10/5/2009
Subject: #24046 L&N Tank Car

Hi Folks, Here we are back again with another piece of rolling stock. This time what we have numbered 24046 (flyer never produced this) to go with the AF #24066 L&N box car an L&N tank car. Please use link below to view this unit. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/998606114/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc We hope you all are enjoying these cars we are putting in our album here at the site. Take care. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56448	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/5/2009
Subject: Idaho Show Invitation

The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be making the cross-state trip to Eastern Idaho this weekend to display the brand-new Lookout Junction III at Railshow 2009. Dates: October 10-11 Time: Sat., 9-5; Sun., 10-2 Place: Idaho Falls Recreation Center, 520 Memorial Dr., Idaho Falls, Idaho Host: Eagle Rock Railroad Historical Society http://www.ida.net/org/errhsi/theframes.html C'mon out and play trains with us! YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56449	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF 283 - Jerky

Mark, You may very well have a wheel that has slipped on the axle causing a quartering problem. Check to see if any of the front or drive wheels are loose on the axle. Steve SnS Trains....Boise In a message dated 10/04/2009 2:51:16 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wisner_mark@... writes: 283 with a DC motor and a decoder will not run. Track Power is fine, new copper wheels for pick up. Have power to Loco. Loco will jump maybe 4 inches in forward and then back when I reverse direction. What can be binding.? everything seems free. What is the next check. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56450	From: David	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer

Hi Again, We are working on a NEW REEFER for the fall of this year. It is a PABST (Blue Ribbon) BEER refrigerator car. The car is painted metallic aluminum and uses LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. The decals are produced in color & metallic gold with black text. We are using an AF #24403 as the car of choice to change over. As a VERY WISE PERSON here at the site stated "You can never have too many BEER REEFERS". The photos of this car will be coming very soon. Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56451	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer

Hi, Please let me know when you get the price and shipping down for these reefers because as several wise persons have said, "You can never have enough beer cars". Therefore I am interested in acquiring at least one. These are to be used at the site, of my under construction regional beer distributor, where many brand shipments are repackaged and placed in waiting trucks for delivery to satiate local modelers thirsts. In the future, I'm looking for Eslinger, Rolling Rock, Schmidt's of Phila anda other Pennsylvania, NJ and New York Beers reefers and supporting trucks and corner tap room kits. I remember that my local beer distributor, his wife and kids all drove Caddies so I figure there is going to be a lot of money in this business provided the mob doesn't take a share. Anyway, Thanks, Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] #7419 PABST BEER Reefer Hi Again, We are working on a NEW REEFER for the fall of this year. It is a PABST (Blue Ribbon) BEER refrigerator car. The car is painted metallic aluminum and uses LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. The decals are produced in color & metallic gold with black text. We are using an AF #24403 as the car of choice to change over. As a VERY WISE PERSON here at the site stated "You can never have too many BEER REEFERS". The photos of this car will be coming very soon. Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56452	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Beer Cars &c

----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haughney . . . . . . several wise persons have said, "You can never have enough beer cars.". . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > For a little variety, how about some TOCF.?? Like so, for instance (too bad this one isn't S) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200385729285 Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13420 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56453	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer

hi:i assume that is from milwaukee,wisconsin?if it is please let me know of the cost and when the car will be avaible.thanks.jim --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] #7419 PABST BEER Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 1:11 PM   Hi, Please let me know when you get the price and shipping down for these reefers because as several wise persons have said, "You can never have enough beer cars". Therefore I am interested in acquiring at least one. These are to be used at the site, of my under construction regional beer distributor, where many brand shipments are repackaged and placed in waiting trucks for delivery to satiate local modelers thirsts. In the future, I'm looking for Eslinger, Rolling Rock, Schmidt's of Phila anda other Pennsylvania, NJ and New York Beers reefers and supporting trucks and corner tap room kits. I remember that my local beer distributor, his wife and kids all drove Caddies so I figure there is going to be a lot of money in this business provided the mob doesn't take a share. Anyway, Thanks, Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] #7419 PABST BEER Reefer Hi Again, We are working on a NEW REEFER for the fall of this year. It is a PABST (Blue Ribbon) BEER refrigerator car. The car is painted metallic aluminum and uses LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. The decals are produced in color & metallic gold with black text. We are using an AF #24403 as the car of choice to change over. As a VERY WISE PERSON here at the site stated "You can never have too many BEER REEFERS". The photos of this car will be coming very soon. Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56454	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: York - Open House

Store hours on Wed. Oct. 14 Toy Trains Unlimited 2 - 6ish [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56455	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: L&N Reefer

Is this based on a prototype photo? - Earl Henry, Nashville ================== In a message dated 10/2/2009 6:20:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@... writes: Mike, Thank you. We really try to give our clients what they want. Have a GREAT WEEK END. ;o) Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Thu, 10/1/09, michael prell <_mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) > wrote: From: michael prell <_mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] L&N Reefer To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 5:48 PM That is ONE very nice looking reefer! Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 10/1/09, David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] L&N Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 1:39 PM Hi Folks, Well, we posted another of our items of rolling stock. This time we have a #1898 L&N refrigerator car build up from an AF #802. Please follow link below to view. _http://groups._ (http://groups./) yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/261044476/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Thank all of you for your indulgance in our endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56456	From: David	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: #7419 PABST Reefer

Hi All, I am sorry for the confusion on our end. We are not making a PABST reefer to sell, although we will be putting the first one up on our EBAY site. We are in the business of producing "S" scale decals for model train hobbiests. The decals for the PABST reefer and over 500 other "S" scale decals are at our web site. Please use the link below to get there if you are interested in our products. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html All of our photos here at the site use our LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals and no others. Again, I am sorry for all of the confusion. Now I wish we were in the business of selling these reefers. Maybe if we can get enough of the old AF reefers we can offer a few more in the near future. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56457	From: richs009	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: AF 332 set price on eBay

Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC engine (#120475204401). Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting comfortably?? - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56458	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay

No doubt someone will be able to say. But there are some not particularly common 1946/47cars and accessories in what looks like top order and if boxes and paperwork went with what was probably a complete purchase new then it may have much more than normal collectible value. There were some high bids in it by obvious senior collectors or dealers - its not just a duel by a couple of feedbackless morons. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: richs009 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 set price on eBay Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC engine (#120475204401). Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting comfortably?? - Rich E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13420 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56459	From: David	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer

Hello Once Again, As promised, we have posted the photo of our #7419 PABST BEER reefer in our album here at the site. For those of you that are interested in this first of its kind in the world reefer please follow the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1751461526/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for your on going interest in our decals. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 www.lbrenterprisesllc.com 502-292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56460	From: DonaldJoAnne Mengle	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay

Hi Rich: Sorry, I can not locate the 332 DC on Ebay as you described, do you have a item number? Don On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>wrote: > > > No doubt someone will be able to say. But there are some not particularly > common 1946/47cars and accessories in what looks like top order and if boxes > and paperwork went with what was probably a complete purchase new then it > may have much more than normal collectible value. There were some high bids > in it by obvious senior collectors or dealers - its not just a duel by a > couple of feedbackless morons. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: richs009 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 set price on eBay > > Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC > engine (#120475204401). Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob > on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the > current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting > on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I > can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really > rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing > here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting > comfortably?? > > - Rich > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > Database version: 6.13420 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > Database version: 6.13420 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Donald E. Mengle djmengle@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56461	From: richs009	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay

Don/all -- the item number is 120475204401 (as listed in my original post). BTW, the winning bid was $5255.55. One other note - after my post I looked in Peterson, et al., "Greenberg's Guide to AF" and this seems to fit their description of the 1947 model, which is DC powered. The description is silent on whether there is SIT. It does say "very rare". - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, DonaldJoAnne Mengle <DMengle@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich: > > Sorry, I can not locate the 332 DC on Ebay as you described, do you have a > item number? > > Don > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>wrote: > > > > > > > No doubt someone will be able to say. But there are some not particularly > > common 1946/47cars and accessories in what looks like top order and if boxes > > and paperwork went with what was probably a complete purchase new then it > > may have much more than normal collectible value. There were some high bids > > in it by obvious senior collectors or dealers - its not just a duel by a > > couple of feedbackless morons. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: richs009 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:39 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 set price on eBay > > > > Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC > > engine (#120475204401). Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob > > on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the > > current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting > > on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I > > can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really > > rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing > > here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting > > comfortably?? > > > > - Rich > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Donald E. Mengle > djmengle@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56462	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay

Don, The number (120475204401) Rich gave in his post is the eBay item number. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, DonaldJoAnne Mengle <DMengle@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich: > > Sorry, I can not locate the 332 DC on Ebay as you described, do you have a > item number? > > Don > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>wrote: > > > > > > > No doubt someone will be able to say. But there are some not particularly > > common 1946/47cars and accessories in what looks like top order and if boxes > > and paperwork went with what was probably a complete purchase new then it > > may have much more than normal collectible value. There were some high bids > > in it by obvious senior collectors or dealers - its not just a duel by a > > couple of feedbackless morons. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: richs009 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:39 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 set price on eBay > > > > Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC > > engine (#120475204401). Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob > > on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the > > current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting > > on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I > > can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really > > rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing > > here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting > > comfortably?? > > > > - Rich > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Donald E. Mengle > djmengle@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56463	From: Ed	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay

Looking at the transformer picture it looks like AMERICAN FLYER NO. 14 ELECTRONIC RECTIFORMER seen on Ebay 350259366225. Also the whole set seems to be the 4622 Complete Railroad System as listed in Tufts Guide, missing a couple of pieces. Ed From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009 Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 332 set price on eBay Don/all -- the item number is 120475204401 (as listed in my original post). BTW, the winning bid was $5255.55. One other note - after my post I looked in Peterson, et al., "Greenberg's Guide to AF" and this seems to fit their description of the 1947 model, which is DC powered. The description is silent on whether there is SIT. It does say "very rare". - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , DonaldJoAnne Mengle <DMengle@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich: > > Sorry, I can not locate the 332 DC on Ebay as you described, do you have a > item number? > > Don > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>wrote: > > > > > > > No doubt someone will be able to say. But there are some not particularly > > common 1946/47cars and accessories in what looks like top order and if boxes > > and paperwork went with what was probably a complete purchase new then it > > may have much more than normal collectible value. There were some high bids > > in it by obvious senior collectors or dealers - its not just a duel by a > > couple of feedbackless morons. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: richs009 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:39 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 set price on eBay > > > > Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC > > engine (#120475204401). Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob > > on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the > > current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting > > on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I > > can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really > > rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing > > here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting > > comfortably?? > > > > - Rich > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Donald E. Mengle > djmengle@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56464	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay

I can't see the value in 90% of Flyer stuff, S gauge or O gauge but I can certainly see why someone would pay that much for such an interesting capsule of history. Were I a rich fanatic collector I would have bought it at that price too. Something you may never see again! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:46 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: AF 332 set price on eBay Looking at the transformer picture it looks like AMERICAN FLYER NO. 14 ELECTRONIC RECTIFORMER seen on Ebay 350259366225. Also the whole set seems to be the 4622 Complete Railroad System as listed in Tufts Guide, missing a couple of pieces. Ed From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009 Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 332 set price on eBay Don/all -- the item number is 120475204401 (as listed in my original post). BTW, the winning bid was $5255.55. One other note - after my post I looked in Peterson, et al., "Greenberg's Guide to AF" and this seems to fit their description of the 1947 model, which is DC powered. The description is silent on whether there is SIT. It does say "very rare". - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , DonaldJoAnne Mengle <DMengle@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich: > > Sorry, I can not locate the 332 DC on Ebay as you described, do you have a > item number? > > Don > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>wrote: > > > > > > > No doubt someone will be able to say. But there are some not particularly > > common 1946/47cars and accessories in what looks like top order and if boxes > > and paperwork went with what was probably a complete purchase new then it > > may have much more than normal collectible value. There were some high bids > > in it by obvious senior collectors or dealers - its not just a duel by a > > couple of feedbackless morons. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: richs009 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:39 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 set price on eBay > > > > Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC > > engine (#120475204401). Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob > > on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the > > current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting > > on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I > > can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really > > rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing > > here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting > > comfortably?? > > > > - Rich > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.13420 > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Donald E. Mengle > djmengle@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13430 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13430 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56465	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: Re: AF 332 set price on eBay

Hi Rich,                      I took a look at the ebay items with the 332 Northern which is a 1947 Smoke in Tender Northern. These locos were DC and and are very rare.  These came in the 4622 Complete Railroad System.  This set is very unusual and extremely rare.  It includes two Trains. Train One-332 & red Passenger Cars 718 with rare red mail bag arm 650-652 &654. Train Two-342 SIT DC, 629-633-715 with Armored Car-634-631-630 and almost all available accessories.  Set 4621 also had a 332 SIT Northern and is also a very rare set.  I believe this auction had Train One in its content and part of Train Two.  I had trouble viewing all the pictures.  I think the set sold for $5, 250.  In my opinion, considering all the items in the auction it was a steal.  A complete 4622 Complete Railroad System with all the items boxed and the 4622T Wiring Diagram should be worth over $20,000.  A 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is the rarest of all the Northerns.  Some will say a 21140 is worth more, but that Northern was cataloged and produced in numbers.  The 1947 Northern has no reported sales.                                                  Tom Seccia m> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 332 set price on eBay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 11:09 PM   Some of you may have seen the listing on eBay for a trainset with a 332 DC engine (#120475204401) . Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it has a knob on the tender indicating it has a smoke system in the tender. Anyway, the current price (listing not closed as of my writing this) is $4750! Counting on my fingers and toes, and multiplying my estimates by a factor of two, I can't get anywhere close to that price without assuming the engine is really rare and thus of interest to those with deep checkbooks. What am I missing here? Should I go to my closet and make sure my 332 DC (SIB) is resting comfortably? ? - Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56466	From: Jim King	Date: 10/7/2009
Subject: B&O M53 update

Following a longer than expected delay in getting stereolithography patterns produced (I was trying to bring on a 2nd supplier but he's not yet able to build the VERY fine detail on my parts, so went back to my ol' tried and true primary supplier), I'm proud to announce that production castings for the M53/M53A "wagontop" box will start on Friday. I made a test shot of the body today and, except for a few minor areas that required touch-up, everything looks great. The underframe and detail SLA sheets (these are separate due to footprint restrictions on the SLA machine) are "in rubber" now and production molds will be ready to fill on Friday. Pilot model construction will start Monday and instruction photos shot as I build it. If all goes to plan, shipments will begin next Friday. Most of the parts are in-house (all will be here by next Friday), just need to ramp up with production molds and start packaging (after the instructions are written). As with the GE 70-tonner, each kit will contain a mini-CD with color instructions and proto pix. I'll update my web site showing photos of the text castings sometime this weekend. I **greatly** appreciate everyone's patience with this project. It has been a very complex car to properly design with many "false starts" along the way due to finding more detailed information, namely underbody photos. But, in the end, I hope y'all feel the wait has been worth it as the detail produced using the CAD/rapid prototyping process is phenomenal. Once production gets into "routine" mode, I'm starting design of the 44-tonner in 2 phases. Watch this list and my web site for updates. Target release is January 2010 at a retail price of $325. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56467	From: David	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: #7520 SCHLITZ BEER Reefer

Good Morning All, Keeping in the vein of the BEER REEFER our next project is a #7520 SCHLITZ BEER REFRIGERATOR CAR. Yes, it will have the logo "THE BEER THAT MADE MILWAUKEE FAMOUS" on it. We will be using an older Schlitz logo that not many have seen before. Please stay tuned in for this new decal set that will be placed on an AF reefer. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. www.lbrenterprisesllc.com DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56468	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: Information--Public Service Announcement

I have been having email "issues" and been getting calls about it. THINK it is fixed. I WILL have WARDIE-JAY TinPlate Ties at York, Orange Hall Tables I-4 thru 8. My apologies for any confusion this computer has caused, I had to fix the recoil starter. Jim "packing on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56469	From: rj4010d	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: new parts & service book

Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56470	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/8/2009
Subject: Re: new parts & service book

Thanks Bob,           Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/8/09, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 8:16 PM   Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56471	From: Bruce	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: new parts & service book

Tom, What gauges does the book cover, where can I get it, and how much does it cost? Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Thanks Bob, Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/8/09, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 8:16 PM Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56472	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Weekend in Lancaster County

Train fans will find lots to do in Lancaster County, PA this weekend. The National Toy Train Museum (NTTM) and the Railroad Museum Of Pennsylvania (RRMPA) are sponsoring "Model Railroading Days" at both locations in Strasburg, PA. Special events at BOTH locations, from 10 AM til 5 PM each day. Regular Admission rates apply. In conjunction, you can tour SIX Garden Railroads on Sunday the 11th, from 1 to 5 PM. Cost is $10.00 per person. Tickets available at both museums plus Stauffers of Kissel Hill stores. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56473	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: NY & NJ Beer Reefers

Good Morning All, We have been approached by quite a few of the "S" gaugers at this site to produce decals for New York & New Jersey brewries for refrigerator cars. In keeping with this we are asking you which ones would you like to see first, lets say, the first five choices. We look forward to working with the group on this request. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com (502) 292-1872 (leave message) P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56474	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: #7419 PABST BEER Reefer

Joe,      We have had some more interest in NEW YORK & NEW JERSEY breweries so we are going to produced some limited run decals for these to be applied to "S" scale reefers.      As you were the first one to ask for these, which one would you like to see first?      Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] #7419 PABST BEER Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 2:11 PM   Hi, Please let me know when you get the price and shipping down for these reefers because as several wise persons have said, "You can never have enough beer cars". Therefore I am interested in acquiring at least one. These are to be used at the site, of my under construction regional beer distributor, where many brand shipments are repackaged and placed in waiting trucks for delivery to satiate local modelers thirsts. In the future, I'm looking for Eslinger, Rolling Rock, Schmidt's of Phila anda other Pennsylvania, NJ and New York Beers reefers and supporting trucks and corner tap room kits. I remember that my local beer distributor, his wife and kids all drove Caddies so I figure there is going to be a lot of money in this business provided the mob doesn't take a share. Anyway, Thanks, Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] #7419 PABST BEER Reefer Hi Again, We are working on a NEW REEFER for the fall of this year. It is a PABST (Blue Ribbon) BEER refrigerator car. The car is painted metallic aluminum and uses LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. The decals are produced in color & metallic gold with black text. We are using an AF #24403 as the car of choice to change over. As a VERY WISE PERSON here at the site stated "You can never have too many BEER REEFERS". The photos of this car will be coming very soon. Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56475	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: Weekend in Lancaster County

Wish I could be there, maybe in a month or two I will be much closer to that part of the country....Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56476	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: BEER REEFER POLL

We require assistance. We have opened a poll for the BEER REEFER COMPANIES to be used for the up coming BEER CO> REEFER decals that we were asked to produce, so if you have an extra minute or two please check out the poll and give us your input. Thank you. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56477	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: Re: new parts & service book

Hi Bruce,                       Book covers all gauges made by A.C. Gilbert HO-O-S, 200 pages spiral bound. Different than the K-Line book.  $24.95 plus $2.95 via Media Mail.  I have two on E Bay at this time or please email me seccia@... and I can take your order.                                                   Thank You,                                                         Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 4:01 AM   Tom, What gauges does the book cover, where can I get it, and how much does it cost? Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Thanks Bob, Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/8/09, rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 8:16 PM Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56478	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: #7520 Schlitz Beer Reefer

Hey All, Well, as promised we have just posted the photo of the #7520 SCHLITZ BEER REEFER to our photo album here at the site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1169498841/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56479	From: David	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: CANADIAN "S" GAUGERS

For all of our clients in Canada. We have droped our minimum order to $20.00 by an over whelming request from our Canadian Friends. Enjoy ;o) Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56480	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/9/2009
Subject: OT A bit: Old Model Railroader magazine available

Cleaning house and rounded up some older issue of Model Railroader for the trash heap or for donation at the library. There are 30+ issues - mostly clustered around 1990 and 2000 - 20 lbs more or less. If you are interested, you can have them for $17 to cover postage (US only) and fees. PayPal only (partly because it means I can print postage using my computer). Email me at <bob.groh@...> if interested. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56481	From: Edward	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Beer Refers.....

Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56482	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

Edward,      We are thinking strongly about doing a MOOSE HEAD reefer as we have had quite a few requests for this car. What do you think, a good choice A? Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Edward <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:01 AM   Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56483	From: David	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer

Well, we have had over 100 requests for a MOOSE HEAD BEER refrigerator car, so that will be the next one up. The decals should be at our web site by 10-14-2009 and the photo of the actual car slightly before that here at our photo album. A GREAT BIG THANK YOU to all of the BILLBOARD REEFER FANS. Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56484	From: michael prell	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: American Grafitti

Every now and then as I'm motoring down the streets of Syracuse, I happen to spot some of the rail lines loaded with various box cars. Most if not all have some form of graffiti painted on their sides. Most is fairly shabby and an eye sore, but on occasion, some of the stuff is pretty nice art work. Has this sort of "art work" ever been reproduced for scale rolling stock?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56485	From: Larry Asp	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

Dave - thaanks for the heads up on lowering the minimum purchase for decals to Canadian buyers to $20.00 minimum. Id be interested in knowing what Canadian RR decals for S gauge you might have in stock and their eras - IE - CNR, CPR, Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo, Ontario Northland etc., and also how to prepare a car properly for repainting - I have a number of AF 802s sitting around here doing nothing that I would like to experiment on. I noted recently that the "Slemans Brewing Company"of Guelph Ontario has thier Co. logo on a little diesel switch engine that runs around town here - the locomotive was painted 100% black, with thier oval shaped orange/red/yellow logo placed beneath the cab window - no other railroad markings on it at all. Something I wouldnt mind trying to emulate with an old Baldwin shell or something if I could get a decal made of that logo. You have to enjoy Sleemans beer in order to appreciate this of course. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave at LBR Enterprises" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... Edward, We are thinking strongly about doing a MOOSE HEAD reefer as we have had quite a few requests for this car. What do you think, a good choice A? Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Edward <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:01 AM Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56486	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

Larry,      We really don't have a lot of Canadian on the web site, I think only 2 or 3. You might want to check it out though.      We just got the "STEMANS" logo but haven't put it on the site yet.      As far as redoing an AF #802 we generally clean off the text with denatured alcohol. Then give it a good wash down with dawn dish washing soap and water (gets all of the wax and crude off).      As far as painting, that is a personal matter. We tend to lean towards KRYLON fusion paint as much as possible. After that is laid down and it is dry we apply a light coat of KRYLON clear matte. After that we apply the decals using SOLVESET under the decal. We then finish with 1 or 2 coats of the KRYLON matte finish.      When done this way they usually turn out pretty darn good.      Hope this helps.      Let us know how everything turns out. A photo sent to the web site would be appreciated. Dave   LBR Restorations DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@... --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: lbrenterprisesllc@... Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 11:14 AM   Dave - thaanks for the heads up on lowering the minimum purchase for decals to Canadian buyers to $20.00 minimum. Id be interested in knowing what Canadian RR decals for S gauge you might have in stock and their eras - IE - CNR, CPR, Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo, Ontario Northland etc., and also how to prepare a car properly for repainting - I have a number of AF 802s sitting around here doing nothing that I would like to experiment on. I noted recently that the "Slemans Brewing Company"of Guelph Ontario has thier Co. logo on a little diesel switch engine that runs around town here - the locomotive was painted 100% black, with thier oval shaped orange/red/yellow logo placed beneath the cab window - no other railroad markings on it at all. Something I wouldnt mind trying to emulate with an old Baldwin shell or something if I could get a decal made of that logo. You have to enjoy Sleemans beer in order to appreciate this of course. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave at LBR Enterprises" <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... Edward, We are thinking strongly about doing a MOOSE HEAD reefer as we have had quite a few requests for this car. What do you think, a good choice A? Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@lbrenterprises llc.com --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Edward <am-flyr@telus. net> wrote: From: Edward <am-flyr@telus. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:01 AM Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56487	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: York

WHO among us is attending Eastern Div Fall York Meet this yr??? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56488	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

Larry,      The MOOSE HEAD LAGER decals are at the web site now. Follow the link below.   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html       Take care. Dave --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: lbrenterprisesllc@... Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 11:14 AM   Dave - thaanks for the heads up on lowering the minimum purchase for decals to Canadian buyers to $20.00 minimum. Id be interested in knowing what Canadian RR decals for S gauge you might have in stock and their eras - IE - CNR, CPR, Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo, Ontario Northland etc., and also how to prepare a car properly for repainting - I have a number of AF 802s sitting around here doing nothing that I would like to experiment on. I noted recently that the "Slemans Brewing Company"of Guelph Ontario has thier Co. logo on a little diesel switch engine that runs around town here - the locomotive was painted 100% black, with thier oval shaped orange/red/yellow logo placed beneath the cab window - no other railroad markings on it at all. Something I wouldnt mind trying to emulate with an old Baldwin shell or something if I could get a decal made of that logo. You have to enjoy Sleemans beer in order to appreciate this of course. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave at LBR Enterprises" <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... Edward, We are thinking strongly about doing a MOOSE HEAD reefer as we have had quite a few requests for this car. What do you think, a good choice A? Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@lbrenterprises llc.com --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Edward <am-flyr@telus. net> wrote: From: Edward <am-flyr@telus. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:01 AM Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56489	From: portlines	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York

We'll be there, of course, set up in our usual spot in the corner of PURPLE Hall. John & Robin Vanacore ("The Train Collector" will be located right next to us, and Dave Blum is located just down the row from us......all with lots of S-gauge goodies! We'll have some new AF parts that we recently had made; we'll have the first re-run "Cruising Main Street" kits from the new owners of Pine Canyon Models; we'll have the new Bus Station kits, and McPherson's Tool & Machinery kits from Twin Whistle; the new Greenberg Guides;.....and much more! Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > WHO among us is attending Eastern Div Fall York Meet this yr??? > > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56490	From: JOHNM63379	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

How about St Louis, MO area beers like Falstaff, Lemp, Griesidick Bros, Buschs Manufacturer RR. Could add TRRA. JohnM63379 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward" <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others.... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56491	From: myflyertrains@cfl.rr.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York

I will be there, not selling just hunting for S. Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56492	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

John,      I think we will do a falstaf next. Dave --- On Sat, 10/10/09, JOHNM63379 <johnm_63379@...> wrote: From: JOHNM63379 <johnm_63379@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 2:59 PM   How about St Louis, MO area beers like Falstaff, Lemp, Griesidick Bros, Buschs Manufacturer RR. Could add TRRA. JohnM63379 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Edward" <am-flyr@... > wrote: > > Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others.... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56493	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: York

I'll be there all 3 days, til the bitter end on Saturday (2 PM). Will have a few repro Circus tent sets, repro circus flats, WITH and without loads, Link AND Knuckle coupler versions. TINPLATE TIES in abundance, some AM track, first come first serve, new, one lot. Debating whether to bring the SHS CHROME SantaFe A & B "F's"??? NEW SHS ore car sets & other SHS, a NEW FLYONEL PRR Passenger set. LOTS of all gauges THIS n' THAT, to get room to move here. Several NEW Plasticville parts. Saturday, while everyone is eating donuts, Jeffro and I are going to be cutting prices on selected items, so you might want to stop by all 3 days. ORANGE HALL Row I, 4 thru 8. NO doubt I will be wearing RED suspenders. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56494	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: new kid on the block.

OK..HELP...HELP...I have a simple problem and I'm sure there is a simple answer but when your simple minded... ?I have a platform built 7" X 16' I can not find a layout where I can run three trains at the same time and I know about the bypass spur and the timing( Well I read about it) but I can' do a layout. Every?time I draw one out it won't fit. I would like to have a freight yard ( I have 14 switches) I've spent over $150 on books that say "S" but when you get into it its HO or N or Z. I'll pay BIG BUCKS( maybe I'll give you my wife instead) if someone would draw me a layoutor tell me where to go other the "Hell". Second..What about track. I see track that looks real and then I have this AF track and some rubber what ever you want to call them but I don't like the track. Open for suggestions. Trying to get this up within the next two or so weeks. That is why I said "HELP...HELP" Phil 870-453-7925 -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Hi Bruce, ????????????????????? Book covers all gauges made by A.C. Gilbert HO-O-S, 200 pages spiral bound. Different than the K-Line book.? $24.95 plus $2.95 via Media Mail.? I have two on E Bay at this time or please email me seccia@... and I can take your order. ????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thank You, ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 4:01 AM ? Tom, What gauges does the book cover, where can I get it, and how much does it cost? Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Thanks Bob, Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/8/09, rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 8:16 PM Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56495	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.

Try these, Mike in Ore _Layouts for American Flyer track_ (http://www.thortrains.net/flyrlay1.htm) In a message dated 10/10/2009 2:42:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Dagenais01@... writes: OK..HELP...HELP.OK..HELP...HELP.<WBR>..I have a simple problem and I'm sure there is a simple answer but when ?I have a platform built 7" X 16' I can not find a layout where I can run three trains at the same time and I know about the bypass spur and the timing( Well I read about it) but I can' do a layout. Every?time I draw one out it won't fit. I would like to have a freight yard ( I have 14 switches) I've spent over $150 on books that say "S" but when you get into it its HO or N or Z. I'll pay BIG BUCKS( maybe I'll give you my wife instead) if someone would draw me a layoutor tell me where to go other the "Hell". Second..What about track. I see track that looks real and then I have this AF track and some rubber what ever you want to call them but I don't like the track. Open for suggestions. Trying to get this up within the next two or so weeks. That is why I said "HELP...HELP" Phil 870-453-7925 -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@trainsand_ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Hi Bruce, ????????????????????????<WBR>????????? Book covers all gauges made by A.C. Gilbert HO-O-S, 200 pages spiral bound. Different than the K-Line book.? $24.95 plus $2.95 via Media Mail.? I have two on E Bay at this time or _seccia@..._ (mailto:seccia@...) and I can take your order. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????<WBR>??? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????<WBR>????? --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Bruce <_goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) > wrote: From: Bruce <_goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 4:01 AM ? Tom, What gauges does the book cover, where can I get it, and how much does it cost? Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Thanks Bob, Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/8/09, rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 8:16 PM Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around _http://mail._ (http://mail./) yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around _http://mail.http://ma_ (http://mail.yahoo.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56496	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.

TYPO ERRoR...My platform is 7' X 16' not 7" X 16' Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 10/10/2009 4:42:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Me, Dagenais01@... writes: OK..HELP...HELP.OK..HELP...HELP.<WBR>..I have a simple problem and I'm sure there is a simple answer but when ?I have a platform built 7" X 16' I can not find a layout where I can run three trains at the same time and I know about the bypass spur and the timing( Well I read about it) but I can' do a layout. Every?time I draw one out it won't fit. I would like to have a freight yard ( I have 14 switches) I've spent over $150 on books that say "S" but when you get into it its HO or N or Z. I'll pay BIG BUCKS( maybe I'll give you my wife instead) if someone would draw me a layoutor tell me where to go other the "Hell". Second..What about track. I see track that looks real and then I have this AF track and some rubber what ever you want to call them but I don't like the track. Open for suggestions. Trying to get this up within the next two or so weeks. That is why I said "HELP...HELP" Phil 870-453-7925 -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <_trainsandhobbies@trainsand_ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Hi Bruce, ????????????????????????<WBR>????????? Book covers all gauges made by A.C. Gilbert HO-O-S, 200 pages spiral bound. Different than the K-Line book.? $24.95 plus $2.95 via Media Mail.? I have two on E Bay at this time or _seccia@..._ (mailto:seccia@...) and I can take your order. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????<WBR>??? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????<WBR>????? --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Bruce <_goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) > wrote: From: Bruce <_goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 4:01 AM ? Tom, What gauges does the book cover, where can I get it, and how much does it cost? Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Thanks Bob, Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/8/09, rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 8:16 PM Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around _http://mail._ (http://mail./) yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around _http://mail.http://ma_ (http://mail.yahoo.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56497	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.

10/10/2009 Phil, This may or may not help.....but on our website LINKS, you will find several links to S-gauge track layout websites.....specifically S ! Check 'em out. 7'x16' should not be a problem designing what you want.....that is plenty of room! One of my own layouts is only 6 x 12, and I run two trains with no problem.....I could run 3 or 4 if I added blocking to it. As for track.....even though I'm a Gilbert collector, I never recommend anyone stick with original AF track......it's a maintenance nightmare! Save yourself a lot of headaches and go with something "modern". Again, on our website, click on TRACK OPTIONS. You'll find ALL your highrail choices there. We stock them all, and can discount almost all. As you go down the TRACK OPTIONS page, the quality of the trackwork gets better and better (my opinion). You might even want to consider using flextrack (with or without roadbed) in order to create your own design without being locked into sectional track. So check it out. And sorry, but I don't want your wife.....I have my own, and that's enough problems already ! <<<<Just kidding, of course!>>>> Let me know if you have additional questions. Good luck! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dagenais01@... Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] new kid on the block. OK..HELP...HELP...I have a simple problem and I'm sure there is a simple answer but when your simple minded... ?I have a platform built 7" X 16' I can not find a layout where I can run three trains at the same time and I know about the bypass spur and the timing( Well I read about it) but I can' do a layout. Every?time I draw one out it won't fit. I would like to have a freight yard ( I have 14 switches) I've spent over $150 on books that say "S" but when you get into it its HO or N or Z. I'll pay BIG BUCKS( maybe I'll give you my wife instead) if someone would draw me a layoutor tell me where to go other the "Hell". Second..What about track. I see track that looks real and then I have this AF track and some rubber what ever you want to call them but I don't like the track. Open for suggestions. Trying to get this up within the next two or so weeks. That is why I said "HELP...HELP" Phil 870-453-7925 -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@... <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Hi Bruce, ????????????????????? Book covers all gauges made by A.C. Gilbert HO-O-S, 200 pages spiral bound. Different than the K-Line book.? $24.95 plus $2.95 via Media Mail.? I have two on E Bay at this time or please email me seccia@... <mailto:seccia%40aol.com> and I can take your order. ????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thank You, ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Bruce <goatfarm@... <mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> > wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@... <mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 4:01 AM ? Tom, What gauges does the book cover, where can I get it, and how much does it cost? Thank you. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new parts & service book Thanks Bob, Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/8/09, rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] new parts & service book To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 8:16 PM Just received the new book by Tom Seccia today & all I can say is GREAT!I can even read the smallest print!It seems to be very through. Nice job Tom! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56498	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.

Hi Phil, Are you sure your platform is 7 inches wide? I am building a layout right now. I will be using mostly Gargraves track and old Flyer switches for the S-gauge parts. It will be some work, but it will be happy work. You should take a look at the Showcase Line of S-Trax. It is similar to Lionel Fastrack, MTH Scale Trax, Kato Unitrack and the various sizes of Bachman E-Z track in that it has roadbed built in. The connections are robust (better than the MTH stuff for O-gauge) and they have flex track available. Look on their site (http://www.showcaseline.com/). They have an excellent track planning booklet for not much money. You can never go wrong with SHS. There is an old booklet of American Flyer track plans. I got an electronic copy (I think a scan from someone on this list). It has lots of plans and ideas, although, not much to fit in 7 inches. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dagenais01@... Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] new kid on the block. OK..HELP...HELP...I have a simple problem and I'm sure there is a simple answer but when your simple minded... ?I have a platform built 7" X 16' I can not find a layout where I can run three trains at the same time and I know about the bypass spur and the timing( Well I read about it) but I can' do a layout. Every?time I draw one out it won't fit. I would like to have a freight yard ( I have 14 switches) I've spent over $150 on books that say "S" but when you get into it its HO or N or Z. I'll pay BIG BUCKS( maybe I'll give you my wife instead) if someone would draw me a layoutor tell me where to go other the "Hell". Second..What about track. I see track that looks real and then I have this AF track and some rubber what ever you want to call them but I don't like the track. Open for suggestions. Trying to get this up within the next two or so weeks. That is why I said "HELP...HELP" Phil 870-453-7925

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56499	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/11/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56500	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.

Thanks for the help. I sure would like to know what the web sites are for the different track. Some mentioned a discount on new track. I'm going to put all of this AF track on ebay with the rubber road bed, nooooow Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 10/10/2009 6:49:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Me, wpporter@... writes: Hi Phil, Are you sure your platform is 7 inches wide? I am building a layout right now. I will be using mostly Gargraves track and old Flyer switches for the S-gauge parts. It will be some work, but it will be happy work. You should take a look at the Showcase Line of S-Trax. It is similar to Lionel Fastrack, MTH Scale Trax, Kato Unitrack and the various sizes of Bachman E-Z track in that it has roadbed built in. The connections are robust (better than the MTH stuff for O-gauge) and they have flex track available. Look on their site (_http://www.showcasehttp://ww_ (http://www.showcaseline.com/) ). They have an excellent track planning booklet for not much money. You can never go wrong with SHS. There is an old booklet of American Flyer track plans. I got an electronic copy (I think a scan from someone on this list). It has lots of plans and ideas, although, not much to fit in 7 inches. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:16 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] new kid on the block. OK..HELP...HELP.OK..HELP...HELP.<WBR>..I have a simple problem and I'm s answer but when your simple minded... ?I have a platform built 7" X 16' I can not find a layout where I can run three trains at the same time and I know about the bypass spur and the timing( Well I read about it) but I can' do a layout. Every?time I draw one out it won't fit. I would like to have a freight yard ( I have 14 switches) I've spent over $150 on books that say "S" but when you get into it its HO or N or Z. I'll pay BIG BUCKS( maybe I'll give you my wife instead) if someone would draw me a layoutor tell me where to go other the "Hell". Second..What about track. I see track that looks real and then I have this AF track and some rubber what ever you want to call them but I don't like the track. Open for suggestions. Trying to get this up within the next two or so weeks. That is why I said "HELP...HELP" Phil 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56501	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

I second the "Fallstaff" suggestion Steve Boise In a message dated 10/10/2009 1:53:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, johnm_63379@... writes: How about St Louis, MO area beers like Falstaff, Lemp, Griesidick Bros, Buschs Manufacturer RR. Could add TRRA. JohnM63379 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Edward" <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Well for a Start ....how about Canadian Beer...Its far better than most American Beers(min 5% for a start lol)...So try ..Molson Canadian, or Coors Lite, or Moose Head, Old Style,or any one of a dozen others.... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56502	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York

I will be attending,   Nick Kulp 05-59603   WHO among us is attending Eastern Div Fall York Meet this yr??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56503	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: new kid on the block.

Try this link, Mike in Ore _Classic Trains_ (http://www.classictrains.com/) In a message dated 10/10/2009 6:49:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Dagenais01@... writes: Thanks for the help. I sure would like to know what the web sites are for the different track. Some mentioned a discount on new track. I'm going to put all of this AF track on ebay with the rubber road bed, nooooow Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 10/10/2009 6:49:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time (Me, _wpporter@..._ (mailto:wpporter@...) writes: Hi Phil, Are you sure your platform is 7 inches wide? I am building a layout right now. I will be using mostly Gargraves track and old Flyer switches for the S-gauge parts. It will be some work, but it will be happy work. You should take a look at the Showcase Line of S-Trax. It is similar to Lionel Fastrack, MTH Scale Trax, Kato Unitrack and the various sizes of Bachman E-Z track in that it has roadbed built in. The connections are robust (better than the MTH stuff for O-gauge) and they have flex track available. Look on their site (__http://www.showcasehttp://www_ (http://www.showcasehttp//ww_) (_http://www.showcasehttp://ww_ (http://www.showcaseline.com/) ) ). They have an excellent track planning booklet for not much money. You can never go wrong with SHS. There is an old booklet of American Flyer track plans. I got an electronic copy (I think a scan from someone on this list). It has lots of plans and ideas, although, not much to fit in 7 inches. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogrouFrom: _S-Trains@_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto:_S-Trains@[mailto:_S-T[mailto:_S-Tr_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ] On Behalf Of __Dagenais01@_Dagena_ (mailto:_Dagenais01@...) _ (mailto:_Dagenais01@..._ (mailto:Dagenais01@...) ) Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:16 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Trains@yahoog_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: [S-Trains] new kid on the block. OK..HELP...HELP.OK..HELP.OK..HEL<WBR><WBR>..I have a simple problem and answer but when your simple minded... ?I have a platform built 7" X 16' I can not find a layout where I can run three trains at the same time and I know about the bypass spur and the timing( Well I read about it) but I can' do a layout. Every?time I draw one out it won't fit. I would like to have a freight yard ( I have 14 switches) I've spent over $150 on books that say "S" but when you get into it its HO or N or Z. I'll pay BIG BUCKS( maybe I'll give you my wife instead) if someone would draw me a layoutor tell me where to go other the "Hell". Second..What about track. I see track that looks real and then I have this AF track and some rubber what ever you want to call them but I don't like the track. Open for suggestions. Trying to get this up within the next two or so weeks. That is why I said "HELP...HELP" Phil 870-453-7925 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56504	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Re: York

Sorry boys but I won't be there..... I miss seeeing all you guys and GAL....... Have a great time and you guys eat an extra helping of fries for me from the fry stand...... miss that too..... Bob Conner --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 11:11 PM   I will be attending,   Nick Kulp 05-59603   WHO among us is attending Eastern Div Fall York Meet this yr??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56505	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/10/2009
Subject: Sign Question

Yes its kinda train related........ What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

Jess Bennett has had one in his front yard for over 30 years...No problems..... Steve Boise In a message dated 10/10/2009 11:48:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Yes its kinda train related.....Yes What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56507	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

You may want to make sure you have no neighborhood covenant restrictions you agreed to. We have them in mine. When we first moved in, I placed a low profile, cast, switch stand in the front flower bed as a decoration. I had gotten it from a contractor removing track from a place I used to work at. It was painted and well-kept, but some of my lovely neighbors complained to the neighborhood architectural committee. Luckily for me there was another train fan on that committee who told them to get a life. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Yes its kinda train related........ > What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner > PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56508	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Hi-rail track was : new kid on the blocks

Doug Pecks wrote: "Again, on our website, click on TRACK OPTIONS. You'll find ALL your highrail choices there. We stock them all, and can discount almost all." Hello Everyone, In addition to the items available on Doug's list, there are other track products on the market. Our trackwork is Hi-rail by design, but you can also run Flyer and scale at the same time - in the same train if you like, without having to alter or modify the trackwork. As many of you know, my test train is a mixed consist of Hi-rail, Flyer and scale and you can see it in action on our web site. As far as I know, there is no other prototypically accurate, open frog, turnout that will run Hi-rail, Flyer and scale on the market. Please have a look at our web site, you might find some of the videos interesting. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56509	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: York

I will be there in the Silver Hall, tables at I-23. See ya all there, drive careful. Weather looks good for the area. Don't forget open house at Toy Trains Unlimited in Hanover on Wed. from 2 - 6. About 35 min from York. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56510	From: David	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: BEER REEFER SERVICE

We have been approached by serveral members of the group to re-paint and apply our decals with their choice of breweries to their old AF #802's. Before we venture into this realm we have started a poll to see if the rest of the group thinks this is a good idea. Please visit our poll here at the site and vote so we will know possiably weather to go forward with this. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56511	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: American Graffitti

Yep, you can get rolling stock graffitti from Walthers, it is availible in HO scale only. However, it's Graffitti! I don't think the "taggers" who paint this stuff are much concerned with being "in scale!" Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56512	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Sign Question

<Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@... rcon7@... <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related........ <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56513	From: michael prell	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

The only other problem you might possibly meet up with is an infusion of hobo's. A baseball bat should cure that. Seriously, that sign sounds like a great idea. Looks like it has a good home! Good luck! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Sign Question To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 11:51 PM   Yes its kinda train related..... ... What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56514	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ________________________________ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@...> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/11/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56516	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

HoBo's..... I have noticed an infusion of girls holding Homeless signs lately!!!!! Saw on in Daytona..... "Won't LIE..... Need money for beer".... Bob --- On Sun, 10/11/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sign Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:05 PM   The only other problem you might possibly meet up with is an infusion of hobo's. A baseball bat should cure that. Seriously, that sign sounds like a great idea. Looks like it has a good home! Good luck! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@bellsouth. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Sign Question To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 11:51 PM   Yes its kinda train related..... ... What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56517	From: michael prell	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: American Graffitti

Thanks, Stumpy, I'll look into it! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 10/11/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:American Graffitti To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:37 AM   Yep, you can get rolling stock graffitti from Walthers, it is availible in HO scale only. However, it's Graffitti! I don't think the "taggers" who paint this stuff are much concerned with being "in scale!" Stumpy in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56518	From: David	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: #7621 MOOSE HEAD Reefer

Well, as promised we have just added a photo of our newest reefer. A #7621 MOOSE HEAD LAGER (Saint John - New Brunswick - Canada). For those reefer people please use the link below to view this great looking car. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1257706991/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56519	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: SIGN

Guys..... I was afraid someone would think I stole it....... But THE SIGN GOES UP THIS WEEK !!!!!! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56520	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Chat server is Down

The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56521	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: SIGN

Hey! Has anyone seen my railroad crossing sign????? ;^) Rick > Guys..... I was afraid someone would think I stole it....... But THE > SIGN GOES UP THIS WEEK !!!!!! Bob > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56522	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

Hi Dave --- I sent an off-the-list email, but got no response. Maybe I am not the only one who gets confused... Your catalog pages state "Tranfers" at the top and "Decals" elsewhere. To me, transfers are dry, rub-on things and decals are soak in water, slide the film off things. What type of process do your products use, really? Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56523	From: David	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Chat's down?? RATS!

Rats! I was all set to log in down here in Pasadena. We're down here looking at a theater organ for the Oroville Theater. We head home tommorrow and will try to beat the rain, but think we're headed straight into the first real storm of fall. Ah well! Y'all have a good week, hear? (or here & there) Nyuck! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56524	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: American Graffitti

mrstumpy50 wrote: > Yep, you can get rolling stock graffitti from Walthers, it is availible > in HO scale only. However, it's Graffitti! I don't think the "taggers" > who paint this stuff are much concerned with being "in scale!" I guess I am the only one who will ask why? I find tagging to be offensive on anything. I've seen trains rolling through town covered with the crap and wondered why they didn't power wash it off? George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56525	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/11/2009, 8:00 pm

Anyone else having trouble getting on chat tonight? I keep getting a fatal error message... Steve In a message dated 10/11/2009 4:15:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56526	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: American Graffitti

Paint doesn't power wash off..... Bob --- On Sun, 10/11/09, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:American Graffitti To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:22 PM   mrstumpy50 wrote: > Yep, you can get rolling stock graffitti from Walthers, it is availible > in HO scale only. However, it's Graffitti! I don't think the "taggers" > who paint this stuff are much concerned with being "in scale!" I guess I am the only one who will ask why? I find tagging to be offensive on anything. I've seen trains rolling through town covered with the crap and wondered why they didn't power wash it off? George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56527	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down

Can this problem be fixed by next sunday? The server was down yesterday at 20:00 cdt. johnm63379. ________________________________ From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 6:50:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Chat server is Down   The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56528	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

Talk about signs of the times: it's a sign of the times that Bob even thought to ask the question!  30 years ago every one of us would have put it up without a thought.  Times have changed. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sign Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:29 AM   You may want to make sure you have no neighborhood covenant restrictions you agreed to. We have them in mine. When we first moved in, I placed a low profile, cast, switch stand in the front flower bed as a decoration. I had gotten it from a contractor removing track from a place I used to work at. It was painted and well-kept, but some of my lovely neighbors complained to the neighborhood architectural committee. Luckily for me there was another train fan on that committee who told them to get a life. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Yes its kinda train related..... ... > What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner > PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56529	From: alanlambert2006	Date: 10/11/2009
Subject: Train Show Find.

Hi All, Just to let you know what I found thi weekend at our local(Fort Worth, Texas)Train show. It is a talking station, with 1 difference. Instead of the red roof, this one has a blue roof.The needle is a reproduction and I need to tweek it to fit properly,It is too long and needs to br trimedoff to work right. It has a grey control button. Here is the killer, I gave only $125.00 for it. It has mistic on plckards on each short end Thanks, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club P.S. our website is back upand running again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56530	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: York

Jes Train Repair will be at York in its usual spot in the middle of the Orange Hall on the middle aisle. We will be bringing along all of the current S scale kit offerings from Twin Whistle as welll as a few others plus all of our AF parts, dry transfers, and water slide decals and out-of-stock S-Helper Service trains and offering from Des Plaines Hobbies. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > WHO among us is attending Eastern Div Fall York Meet this yr??? > > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56531	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers

Dave, I would like to see: Ballantine Shaeffers Piels National Bohemian Reading Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All, > We have been approached by quite a few of the "S" gaugers at this site to produce decals for New York & New Jersey brewries for refrigerator cars. In keeping with this we are asking you which ones would you like to see first, lets say, the first five choices. > We look forward to working with the group on this request. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc > www.lbrenterprisesllc.com > (502) 292-1872 (leave message) > P.O. Box 494 > Goshen, KY 40026 > dave@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56532	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

DON'T forget to call the "Locater". I have to have COMCAST come here, they destroy something every time, even WITH the locater. Dreading it. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/12/2009 2:41:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: Talk about signs of the times: it's a sign of the times that Bob even thought to ask the question! 30 years ago every one of us would have put it up without a thought. Times have changed. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sign Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:29 AM You may want to make sure you have no neighborhood covenant restrictions you agreed to. We have them in mine. When we first moved in, I placed a low profile, cast, switch stand in the front flower bed as a decoration. I had gotten it from a contractor removing track from a place I used to work at. It was painted and well-kept, but some of my lovely neighbors complained to the neighborhood architectural committee. Luckily for me there was another train fan on that committee who told them to get a life. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Yes its kinda train related..... ... > What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner > PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56533	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.

Here's one link you can follow for packets of 100 at $4.00 per package plus postage, it also backs up what I had said before I found the link. - http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/phonographneedles/index2.html Good luck Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: alanlambert2006 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show Find. Hi All, Just to let you know what I found thi weekend at our local(Fort Worth, Texas)Train show. It is a talking station, with 1 difference. Instead of the red roof, this one has a blue roof.The needle is a reproduction and I need to tweek it to fit properly,It is too long and needs to br trimedoff to work right. It has a grey control button. Here is the killer, I gave only $125.00 for it. It has mistic on plckards on each short end Thanks, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club P.S. our website is back upand running again. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56534	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.

BTW don't let anybody try to tell you different - Gilbert did not use a special needle, it was a standard acoustical phonograph needle as supplied in their millions at about twenty cents for a 100 at the time, for use in portable spring wound phonos. There were gold plated needles or special alloy ones that were supposed to be able to play 100 ten inch discs but Gilbert did not use them and in any case no phono enthusiast would use even one of those for more than about ten playings. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: alanlambert2006 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show Find. Hi All, Just to let you know what I found thi weekend at our local(Fort Worth, Texas)Train show. It is a talking station, with 1 difference. Instead of the red roof, this one has a blue roof.The needle is a reproduction and I need to tweek it to fit properly,It is too long and needs to br trimedoff to work right. It has a grey control button. Here is the killer, I gave only $125.00 for it. It has mistic on plckards on each short end Thanks, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club P.S. our website is back upand running again. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56535	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Beer Refers.....

Good Morning Bill,      Just to clarify this situation. Weather dry rub or water slide they are all transfers because you are transferring one medium to another they are all considered transfers. That being said ours are of the WATER SLIDE variety.      Thank you for asking.      Have a GREAT WEEK. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beer Refers..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 2:50 PM   Hi Dave --- I sent an off-the-list email, but got no response. Maybe I am not the only one who gets confused... Your catalog pages state "Tranfers" at the top and "Decals" elsewhere. To me, transfers are dry, rub-on things and decals are soak in water, slide the film off things. What type of process do your products use, really? Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56536	From: AlR	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Lionel Trainmaster Command Base for Sale.

I have a mint new in the box Lionel Trainmaster Command Base #6-12911 for Sale. Cost $79.95. Sell for $65.95. Never used. Comes with command base wallpack to power this unit and instruction booklet. This unit was designed for use with Lionel, American Flyer, and other O gauge and S gauge AC engines, switches, and accessories. You will need a Lionel Trainmaster CAB-1 to go with this unit. Photos available. Email me offline for more information. Buy Now and Save $14. Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56537	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.

All good fun! . BTW what Flyer never told anybody is that those steel needles should not be used more than around six to 12 times on the same record and never on a second different record, or the other side of the same record, after playing on one side. I know there are people out there charging about a buck per needle but if you google "vintage phonograph supplies" you will find that you can buy a packet of 100 for a few dollars. Reason for replacement of needles is that the records contain an abrasive compound which is designed to wear the steel needle to the shape of the record groove for more accurate playing. However after several plays the abrasive makes the needle too thin and worn and it bangs back and forward against the grooves or scapes them and wears them. Its quite instructive to look at a needle under a strong magnifier after a half dozen uses! BTW if the needle is too long it is not a standard phono needle or you are not pushing it far enough into the holder. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: alanlambert2006 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show Find. Hi All, Just to let you know what I found thi weekend at our local(Fort Worth, Texas)Train show. It is a talking station, with 1 difference. Instead of the red roof, this one has a blue roof.The needle is a reproduction and I need to tweek it to fit properly,It is too long and needs to br trimedoff to work right. It has a grey control button. Here is the killer, I gave only $125.00 for it. It has mistic on plckards on each short end Thanks, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club P.S. our website is back upand running again. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56538	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.

Dear Alistair, Thanks for the link. That will help me greatly in the future.                                                 Thanks,                                                            Alan Lambert                                                           Lone Star Flyer Club                                                            Arlington, Texas --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show Find. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 2:26 AM   Here's one link you can follow for packets of 100 at $4.00 per package plus postage, it also backs up what I had said before I found the link. - http://www.angelfir e.com/vt2/ phonographneedle s/index2. html Good luck Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: alanlambert2006 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show Find. Hi All, Just to let you know what I found thi weekend at our local(Fort Worth, Texas)Train show. It is a talking station, with 1 difference. Instead of the red roof, this one has a blue roof.The needle is a reproduction and I need to tweek it to fit properly,It is too long and needs to br trimedoff to work right. It has a grey control button. Here is the killer, I gave only $125.00 for it. It has mistic on plckards on each short end Thanks, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club P.S. our website is back upand running again. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13450 http://www.pctools com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56539	From: michael prell	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Um, Excuse me, but....

didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and whether or not thec came with wire rails?  Well, it appears that someone on E-Bay is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I found it at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No where in the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was repainted. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out of the top of the engine. No doubt more than a little re-wiring as well. It is a very nice looking unit, BUT! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56540	From: michael prell	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56541	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.

Yes thanks for the education in old style phonograph needles. I don't have an original Gilbert Talking Station, but I do have the electronic version that I bought from Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby. Sounds pretty good and never a needle to wear out of replace.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56542	From: michael prell	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM   The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56543	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

Is it a fake..... Ha Ha..... LOOK AT THE TENDER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 2:49 PM   The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM   The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56544	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: RE : American Graffitti

If you don't like graffitti on railroad rolling stock, you might enjoy this tid-bit that reputedly happened at a storage yard for New York City's subway/elevated trains. I cannot speak for the veracity of the story because I got it in an e-mail a few years ago, but it IS a good tale..... A well known "tagger" (slang for spray can wall artist) had been nailed by the Transit Police a number of times, and was facing going "up the river" to do some serious time if nabbed again. Therefore, he decided to do a "farewell" performance and quit. While being watched by several "associates" from the other side of the yard's chain link fence, he created his final masterpiece on the sides of one of the then new stainless steel trains, windows and all. Unfortunately, when he stepped back to admire his crowning achievement, it was onto an active mainline, and he was immediately struck down by a speeding train! Supposedly one of the "associates" was video taping the affair, but I have yet to see that show up on YouTube. Probably just as well. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56545	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Product delay problems

Maybe one of the more knowledgable people on this list can confirm/deny the rumor going around that the Big Boy has been either pushed back again to next year, or cancelled altogether. So far two of our better customers have cancelled their BB orders at the shop and another is waiting until the guys return from York, and will cancel if the BB has been delayed beyond this month. We have already had several of our regular Lionel and MTH O guage customers cancel orders due to delays. And our HO customers are not buying anything that isn't right on the shelves. Whether this is impatience or worries about the economy is debateable, but the ongoing delays by several manufacturers in several scales is putting a real bite in our already weak sales this year. Fewer and fewer people are willing to tie up money to reserve an item that may be years away. It's getting real hard to sell people promises of products that never arrive. Stumpy Stone...getting worried in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56546	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@... > <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56547	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Um, Excuse me, but....

Mike, also it has Choo Choo down not that it smokes. I have a few smoke units that have the smoke box part cut off in my parts pile..... Some one will want it. Clayton  Milwaukie OR. --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Um, Excuse me, but.... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:21 AM    didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and whether or not thec came with wire rails?  Well, it appears that someone on E-Bay is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I found it at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No where in the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was repainted. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out of the top of the engine. No doubt more than a little re-wiring as well. It is a very nice looking unit, BUT! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56548	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show Find.

sgaugian wrote: > Yes thanks for the education in old style phonograph needles. I don't > have an original Gilbert Talking Station, but I do have the electronic > version that I bought from Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby. Sounds pretty > good and never a needle to wear out of replace. I have an original talking station and a new repro record. I'm tempted to copy the record to digital and set up an electronic mechanism to play the sounds, saving wear and tear both on the record and the original station. There are a number of digital reproducers that would suffice. I have one of these from Ramsey electronics: http://tinyurl.com/yg4w6t George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56549	From: richs009	Date: 10/12/2009
Subject: Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all. > > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56550	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems

Lionel.com now shows November 09 for the BB. Not that will it necessarilty/actually ship then, but recently it used to show September, then October, now November. U33C still showing as December '09. Last newsletter from Doug Peck indicated the BB's may have left port in September and could arrive during October. The November posting on Lionel.com may now mean otherwise. Let's hope it just arrives some day, works well, and looks great. Same with the U33C.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56551	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ________________________________ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56552	From: Edward	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > What Confusion...>>>...its amazing how many people cant figure out that anyone with a drawer full of engines can put together any number of differant configurations of an engine ...you simply take a piece of this and a piece of that and it seems everyone is CONFUSED...its called KITBASHING ...and these items are not Strange or Rare AF uncatalogued missing links...Just Trains > Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. > > One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). > > All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@> wrote: > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all. > > > > > >   > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56553	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

His "other items" includes a blue Casey Jones with red pilot and a tender with link coupler and sheet metal trucks. Somebody was having fun.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:49 PM   I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com > <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56554	From: jaay_st	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers

Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56555	From: The Laniers	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

This reworked item probably has the choo choo only unit found in the AF 301 Atlantic; it does not have a smoke chamber, just the chugger portion of the combination chugger/smoke unit with which most folks are more familiar. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@... > <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56556	From: portlines	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems

I'm not claiming this to be "gospel", but the latest word I was told is that the BBs should begin shipping by the end of this month, and start appearing on shelves next month. But.......who knows. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Maybe one of the more knowledgable people on this list can confirm/deny the rumor going around that the Big Boy has been either pushed back again to next year, or cancelled altogether..........> Stumpy Stone...getting worried in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56557	From: Dave	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: DECALS You Design

We have been asked by several of the members here to design decal sets for their refrigerator cars using their choice of breweries. We thought this might be a good idea for all of the members interested in this option so we are offering a LIMITED TIME OFFER to all just to see where this option goes and weather we should offer it on a permanent basis. THIS INITIAL OFFER WILL ONLY BE IN EFFECT UNTIL Nov. 30, 2009. THIS OFFER IS ONLY FOR MAIL IN ORDERS. YOU DESIGN YOUR OWN BREWERY DECAL SET. THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK: 1. All sets will feature 2 full color logos (you supply sample) 2. All sets will have enough text & markings to do both sides of car and top end numbers (you supply sample - reporting marks, weights, measurements, etc.). 4. All text and markings will be in black color only. 5. COST: $10.25 per set which includes shipping. 6. TIME TO DELIVERY: Approx. 45 days from receipt of order. 7. PAYMENT: Personal Check (add 7-10 days), money order or chashiers check. Please let us know what you think about this new service and how it may help you with your modeling endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56558	From: michael prell	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: RE : American Graffitti

Poetic Justice elevated to a new level! Yes! PUN intended!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE : American Graffitti To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:01 PM   If you don't like graffitti on railroad rolling stock, you might enjoy this tid-bit that reputedly happened at a storage yard for New York City's subway/elevated trains. I cannot speak for the veracity of the story because I got it in an e-mail a few years ago, but it IS a good tale..... A well known "tagger" (slang for spray can wall artist) had been nailed by the Transit Police a number of times, and was facing going "up the river" to do some serious time if nabbed again. Therefore, he decided to do a "farewell" performance and quit. While being watched by several "associates" from the other side of the yard's chain link fence, he created his final masterpiece on the sides of one of the then new stainless steel trains, windows and all. Unfortunately, when he stepped back to admire his crowning achievement, it was onto an active mainline, and he was immediately struck down by a speeding train! Supposedly one of the "associates" was video taping the affair, but I have yet to see that show up on YouTube. Probably just as well. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56559	From: michael prell	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...."

I never caught the tender descrepency. I was too focused on the loco. Regarding that. I wonder how more smoke juice would be added. My main concern about this whole thing is with the possibility that some uninformed new-to-the-FlyerWorld of Cool Stuff might win this thinking that he or she might have a rare gem, when it's really a pig in a polk. Then again, let the buyer beware!  Thanks for all of your input, guys! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 10/13/09, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:27 AM   Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. - Rich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56560	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Sign Question

There are no marking as to RR.... So up it goes in the yard.... Bob --- On Tue, 10/13/09, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:26 AM   Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56561	From: Ben Perry	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers

Hi Dave; This might help http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Miss Rheingold photos&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=7cDUSqGIBM2X8AbSwcyADQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQsAQwAA Regards. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56562	From: Ben Perry	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers

Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56563	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems

One might expect then to see at least a prototype or test model version of it at York.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56564	From: michael prell	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1

Can anyone tell me what this is about? Does this guy go by polpolk9?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:18 PM =A0didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and whether= or not thec came with wire rails?=A0 Well, it appears that someone on E-Ba= y is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I found i= t at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No where i= n the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was repaint= ed. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out of = the top of the engine. No doubt more than a little re-wiring as well. It is= a very nice looking unit, BUT! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! 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I have a few smoke units that have the smoke box part cut off in my parts= pile.....=A0Some one will want it.<br> <br> Clayton=A0=A0Milwaukie OR.<br> <br> --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <<a href=3D"mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.c= om">mlprell@yahoo.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> From: michael prell <<a href=3D"mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com">mlprell@yaho= o.<wbr>com</a>><br> Subject: [S-Trains] Um, Excuse me, but....<br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com">S-trains@yahoogroup<wbr>s= .com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com">toytrains@yahoogro= u<wbr>ps.com</a><br> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:21 AM<br> <br> =A0<br> <br> =A0didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and whether= or not thec came with wire rails?=A0 Well, it appears that someone on E-Ba= y is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I found i= t at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No where i= n the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was repaint= ed. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out of = the top of the engine. No doubt more than a little re-wiring as well. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56565	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/13/2009
Subject: Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers

Gentlemen, Seems like my little request for Beer Reefers has generated a lot of interest in beer reefers decals. As I stated in my original messages, my desire is for local Pa.,NJ and even some NY brews. RHEINGOLD does come to mind in addition to the normal Schmidts of Philadelphia, Eslinger, and other local PA brands. Maybe one could have multiple Ms Rhingolds decals for fleet operations. My favorite of course is the little green bottles of Rolling Rock. Our frat parties would start with many cases of Rolling Rock on one side of room and end when all of the cases were empty on the back porch. Ah, memories. Of course now a days, my kidneys would be on dialisys if I drank at those consumption levels. Anyway, you have my votes, let the decals role and let S helper know that we need unpainted reefers. Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Perry Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56566	From: myflyertrains@cfl.rr.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down

Carl, Might I suggest the chat room at MyFlyerTrains.org. Right now it is customized for my wife's embroidery people but is pretty much unused and ready to gyo as is. I can further customize it for us when I get home from York. In the mean time... Pretty much the same chat software that you and Paul used. http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Later.. Chuck PS: Hitting the pre-meets this morning! ---- Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. > > Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. > Carl > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56567	From: michael prell	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: (no subject)

Friends, Romans, Countrymen & Women, From this day forth, please send any and all correespondance to the following e-mail address. bull124dog4@...  Certain YAHOO incoming mail activities have forced me with no other choice. Thank you for your cooperation and patience. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56568	From: Dave	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Decal Setting Solution

We have been asked on more than one occasion if a "SETTING SOLUTION" can be used on our decals. The answer is "YES" but be sure it does not affect the paint of sub-strata of the object you use it on. We recommend only one setting solution "WALTHERS BRAND SOLVASET". Although others may be used at the modelers own risk. Our decals are somewhat different from most as they have a top coating that minimunizes the tearing problem of most. Therefore we recommend that the "SOLVASET" be used under the decal. We follow these steps: 1. After trimming decal to desired shape soak in room temp. tap water until decal will slide freely from backing paper (do not remove from backing paper at this time). 2. Apply setting solution to area of decals final resting place. 3. Remove decal from backing paper and drag through the setting solution with a pair of non-seratted twesers then position in final place. 4. Using a cotton tipped swab gentally roll the excess setting solution from under the decal paying attention to bracing and rivit rows. 5. Set aside to dry. 6. Top coat as you deam necessary. With a little practice you will become a "MASTER DECAL SETTER". Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56569	From: Dave	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: New Decal Info.

Good Morning All, With the permission of the groups moderator we would like to start posting info. about our new decals when they are avaliable at our web site. First offerings are: 1. #1923 Pittsburgh & West Virginia 40' Box Car, Set (White Text & Herald) 2. #3085 Pittsburgh & West Virginia 40' 2 Bay Hopper, Set (White Text & Herald) Avaliable Date: 10-14-2009 Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56570	From: John Stevens	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: DECALS You Design

Dave, Sounds good; however, are you really offering to do different versions of each beer depending on each of our preferences? I think you ought to accept suggestions for each beer you decide to produce and then pick one. or put to a vote? Jay Here are a couple of suggestions for Rheingold ---------- That's the definitive slogan for Rheingold ---------- The second is a tray, but the image could be extracted? Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56571	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!!

Chuck, Well I have mine repaired now. I restored some files from a backup and it is working so it was not my ISP's issue. I will leave my chat up then for now but we can use yours for a backup plan "B" if that is ok? Good to have a backup so we don't get stranded like last week. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of myflyertrains@... Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Carl Tuveson Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat server is Down Carl, Might I suggest the chat room at MyFlyerTrains.org. Right now it is customized for my wife's embroidery people but is pretty much unused and ready to gyo as is. I can further customize it for us when I get home from York. In the mean time... Pretty much the same chat software that you and Paul used. http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Later.. Chuck PS: Hitting the pre-meets this morning! ---- Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. > > Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. > Carl > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56572	From: myflyertrains@cfl.rr.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!!

Carl that is good news. The room is there if ever needed. Chuck ---- carl@... wrote: > Chuck, > > Well I have mine repaired now. I restored some files from a backup and it is working so it was not my ISP's issue. > > I will leave my chat up then for now but we can use yours for a backup plan "B" if that is ok? > > Good to have a backup so we don't get stranded like last week. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of myflyertrains@... > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:46 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Carl Tuveson > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat server is Down > > > Carl, > > Might I suggest the chat room at MyFlyerTrains.org. Right now it is customized for my wife's embroidery people but is pretty much unused and ready to gyo as is. I can further customize it for us when I get home from York. In the mean time... > > Pretty much the same chat software that you and Paul used. > > http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Later.. Chuck > > PS: Hitting the pre-meets this morning! > > ---- Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > > The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. > > > > Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. > > Carl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56573	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: S Trains CHAT

I, for one, enjoy "chatting" with some of the S Trains folks on Sunday evenings. These are people from all over the country that I have never met face to face, but have come to consider them friends. I've missed two weeks now, the first because I wasn't home, and of course this past Sunday, the server problem. I'm starting to suffer from withdrawl.....:-) Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56574	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: S Trains CHAT

I also missed the past two weeks of chat and hope we have the chat group back up running for this sunday.  johnm63379  John Metzger  Troy, Missouri ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 5:42:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: S Trains CHAT   I, for one, enjoy "chatting" with some of the S Trains folks on Sunday evenings. These are people from all over the country that I have never met face to face, but have come to consider them friends. I've missed two weeks now, the first because I wasn't home, and of course this past Sunday, the server problem. I'm starting to suffer from withdrawl... ..:-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56575	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: Decal Setting Solution

Dave- I noticed on an earlier post that you usually spray a couple coats of clear matte finish over the decals on your plastic cars. Do you also recommend using the matte spray over the decals on a metal tender? Thanks, Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:11:07 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Decal Setting Solution We have been asked on more than one occasion if a "SETTING SOLUTION" can be used on our decals. The answer is "YES" but be sure it does not affect the paint of sub-strata of the object you use it on. We recommend only one setting solution "WALTHERS BRAND SOLVASET". Although others may be used at the modelers own risk. Our decals are somewhat different from most as they have a top coating that minimunizes the tearing problem of most. Therefore we recommend that the "SOLVASET" be used under the decal. We follow these steps: 1. After trimming decal to desired shape soak in room temp. tap water until decal will slide freely from backing paper (do not remove from backing paper at this time). 2. Apply setting solution to area of decals final resting place. 3. Remove decal from backing paper and drag through the setting solution with a pair of non-seratted twesers then position in final place. 4. Using a cotton tipped swab gentally roll the excess setting solution from under the decal paying attention to bracing and rivit rows. 5. Set aside to dry. 6. Top coat as you deam necessary. With a little practice you will become a "MASTER DECAL SETTER". Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56576	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -

A completed sample was shown here today at the Lionel presentation at the Toy Train Museum on Wednesday, Oct. 14 at 4:00 PM. The Big Boy looks very nice and is to have full features including Legacy control, electrocouplers, wireless tether, smoke with variable control, sounds, and (if I heard Matt Ashba correctly) Odyssey cruise control. We here at York will get a better look at the L-AF Big Boy in Orange Hall tomorrow. It appears that Lionel is delivering more than originally first promised in the catalog. According to the presentation, we should have these in hand before the end of the year. We will learn more tomorrow. Bob Bubeck -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:32 am Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4634 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (16 Messages) 1a. Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian 1b. Re: Product delay problems From: portlines 1c. Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian 2a. Re: Sign Question From: John Metzger 2b. Re: Sign Question From: Robert Conner 3a. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Edward 3b. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: michael prell 4a. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Bill Drake 4b. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: The Laniers 5a. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: jaay_st 5b. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry 5c. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry 5d. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Joseph Haughney 6. DECALS You Design From: Dave 7a. Re: RE : American Graffitti From: michael prell 8. Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1 From: michael prell View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@...   sgaugian Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) Lionel.com now shows November 09 for the BB. Not that will it necessarilty/actually ship then, but recently it used to show September, then October, now November. U33C still showing as December '09. Last newsletter from Doug Peck indicated the BB's may have left port in September and could arrive during October. The November posting on Lionel.com may now mean otherwise. Let's hope it just arrives some day, works well, and looks great. Same with the U33C. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 1b. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "portlines" doug@...   portlines Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) I'm not claiming this to be "gospel", but the latest word I was told is that the BBs should begin shipping by the end of this month, and start appearing on shelves next month. But.......who knows. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Maybe one of the more knowledgable people on this list can confirm/deny the rumor going around that the Big Boy has been either pushed back again to next year, or cancelled altogether..........> Stumpy Stone...getting worried in Appalachia. > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 1c. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@...   sgaugian Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) One might expect then to see at least a prototype or test model version of it at York. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2a. Re: Sign Question Posted by: "John Metzger" johnm_63379@...   johnm_63379 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ________________________________ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 2b. Re: Sign Question Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@...   rcon7@... Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:07 am (PDT) There are no marking as to RR.... So up it goes in the yard.... Bob --- On Tue, 10/13/09, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:26 AM   Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 3a. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "Edward" am-flyr@...   fyrrfytr Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:45 am (PDT) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > What Confusion...>>>...its amazing how many people cant figure out that anyone with a drawer full of engines can put together any number of differant configurations of an engine ...you simply take a piece of this and a piece of that and it seems everyone is CONFUSED...its called KITBASHING ...and these items are not Strange or Rare AF uncatalogued missing links...Just Trains > Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. > > One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). > > All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@> wrote: > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all. > > > > > >   > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 3b. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@...   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) I never caught the tender descrepency. I was too focused on the loco. Regarding that. I wonder how more smoke juice would be added. My main concern about this whole thing is with the possibility that some uninformed new-to-the-FlyerWorld of Cool Stuff might win this thinking that he or she might have a rare gem, when it's really a pig in a polk. Then again, let the buyer beware!  Thanks for all of your input, guys! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 10/13/09, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:27 AM   Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. - Rich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 4a. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "Bill Drake" ee_train@...   ee_train Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) His "other items" includes a blue Casey Jones with red pilot and a tender with link coupler and sheet metal trucks. Somebody was having fun.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:49 PM   I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com > <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 4b. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "The Laniers" hblanier@...   paflyrman Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) This reworked item probably has the choo choo only unit found in the AF 301 Atlantic; it does not have a smoke chamber, just the chugger portion of the combination chugger/smoke unit with which most folks are more familiar. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@... > <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 5a. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "jaay_st" jaay_st@...   jaay_st Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5b. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@...   benperryjr Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) Hi Dave; This might help http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Miss Rheingold photos&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=7cDUSqGIBM2X8AbSwcyADQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group &ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQsAQwAA Regards. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5c. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@...   benperryjr Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5d. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Joseph Haughney" J.Haughney1@...   zane323 Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:49 pm (PDT) Gentlemen, Seems like my little request for Beer Reefers has generated a lot of interest in beer reefers decals. As I stated in my original messages, my desire is for local Pa.,NJ and even some NY brews. RHEINGOLD does come to mind in addition to the normal Schmidts of Philadelphia, Eslinger, and other local PA brands. Maybe one could have multiple Ms Rhingolds decals for fleet operations. My favorite of course is the little green bottles of Rolling Rock. Our frat parties would start with many cases of Rolling Rock on one side of room and end when all of the cases were empty on the back porch. Ah, memories. Of course now a days, my kidneys would be on dialisys if I drank at those consumption levels. Anyway, you have my votes, let the decals role and let S helper know that we need unpainted reefers. Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Perry Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 6. DECALS You Design Posted by: "Dave" lbrenterprisesllc@...   lbrenterprisesllc Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:47 am (PDT) We have been asked by several of the members here to design decal sets for their refrigerator cars using their choice of breweries. We thought this might be a good idea for all of the members interested in this option so we are offering a LIMITED TIME OFFER to all just to see where this option goes and weather we should offer it on a permanent basis. THIS INITIAL OFFER WILL ONLY BE IN EFFECT UNTIL Nov. 30, 2009. THIS OFFER IS ONLY FOR MAIL IN ORDERS. YOU DESIGN YOUR OWN BREWERY DECAL SET. THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK: 1. All sets will feature 2 full color logos (you supply sample) 2. All sets will have enough text & markings to do both sides of car and top end numbers (you supply sample - reporting marks, weights, measurements, etc.). 4. All text and markings will be in black color only. 5. COST: $10.25 per set which includes shipping. 6. TIME TO DELIVERY: Approx. 45 days from receipt of order. 7. PAYMENT: Personal Check (add 7-10 days), money order or chashiers check. Please let us know what you think about this new service and how it may help you with your modeling endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7a. Re: RE : American Graffitti Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@...   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) Poetic Justice elevated to a new level! Yes! PUN intended!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE : American Graffitti To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:01 PM   If you don't like graffitti on railroad rolling stock, you might enjoy this tid-bit that reputedly happened at a storage yard for New York City's subway/elevated trains. I cannot speak for the veracity of the story because I got it in an e-mail a few years ago, but it IS a good tale..... A well known "tagger" (slang for spray can wall artist) had been nailed by the Transit Police a number of times, and was facing going "up the river" to do some serious time if nabbed again. Therefore, he decided to do a "farewell" performance and quit. While being watched by several "associates" from the other side of the yard's chain link fence, he created his final masterpiece on the sides of one of the then new stainless steel trains, windows and all. Unfortunately, when he stepped back to admire his crowning achievement, it was onto an active mainline, and he was immediately struck down by a speeding train! Supposedly one of the "associates" was video taping the affair, but I have yet to see that show up on YouTube. Probably just as well. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 8. Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1 Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@...   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:33 am (PDT) Can anyone tell me what this is about? Does this guy go by polpolk9?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56577	From: Alan Evans	Date: 10/14/2009
Subject: Cost of attending train shows and "Absentee Vendor" tables

At the 2007 S Spree the Central Ohio S Gaugers sat behind tables for several "Absentee Vendors." We sent letters to potential S vendors asking them to send whatever product(s) they sell, any promotional material, along with an inventory list and price list. Cost was $10 for the table maintained by a COSG member plus the shipping cost to the show and return. For small items the Post Office Flat Rate was available. No room cost, no gas or food expenses, no travel time. The vendor received an 8 foot table and our members were responsible for the table and sales. Several vendors sold quite well. Clubs or show host would be responsible for publicity. If the vendor's product is large, only a few items could be sent for "bait," with extra order forms for an attendee to fill out and mail in. Not sure why other club sponsored shows have not offered this, but it worked for us! Several of our club members' wives helped at the tables. Alan Evans Central Ohio S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56578	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -

Bob I have had my order in from the start of all this. Will you be able to take photos?   Clayton  Milwaukie OR. --- On Wed, 10/14/09, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 - To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:32 PM   A completed sample was shown here today at the Lionel presentation at the Toy Train Museum on Wednesday, Oct. 14 at 4:00 PM. The Big Boy looks very nice and is to have full features including Legacy control, electrocouplers, wireless tether, smoke with variable control, sounds, and (if I heard Matt Ashba correctly) Odyssey cruise control. We here at York will get a better look at the L-AF Big Boy in Orange Hall tomorrow. It appears that Lionel is delivering more than originally first promised in the catalog. According to the presentation, we should have these in hand before the end of the year. We will learn more tomorrow. Bob Bubeck -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:32 am Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4634 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (16 Messages) 1a. Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian 1b. Re: Product delay problems From: portlines 1c. Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian 2a. Re: Sign Question From: John Metzger 2b. Re: Sign Question From: Robert Conner 3a. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Edward 3b. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: michael prell 4a. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Bill Drake 4b. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: The Laniers 5a. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: jaay_st 5b. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry 5c. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry 5d. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Joseph Haughney 6. DECALS You Design From: Dave 7a. Re: RE : American Graffitti From: michael prell 8. Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_ mr 0 1 From: michael prell View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@hotmail. com   sgaugian Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) Lionel.com now shows November 09 for the BB. Not that will it necessarilty/ actually ship then, but recently it used to show September, then October, now November. U33C still showing as December '09. Last newsletter from Doug Peck indicated the BB's may have left port in September and could arrive during October. The November posting on Lionel.com may now mean otherwise. Let's hope it just arrives some day, works well, and looks great. Same with the U33C. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 1b. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "portlines" doug@portlines. com   portlines Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) I'm not claiming this to be "gospel", but the latest word I was told is that the BBs should begin shipping by the end of this month, and start appearing on shelves next month. But.......who knows. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote: > > Maybe one of the more knowledgable people on this list can confirm/deny the rumor going around that the Big Boy has been either pushed back again to next year, or cancelled altogether.. ........> Stumpy Stone...getting worried in Appalachia. > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 1c. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@hotmail. com   sgaugian Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) One might expect then to see at least a prototype or test model version of it at York. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2a. Re: Sign Question Posted by: "John Metzger" johnm_63379@ yahoo.com   johnm_63379 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 2b. Re: Sign Question Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net   rcon7@bellsouth. net Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:07 am (PDT) There are no marking as to RR.... So up it goes in the yard.... Bob --- On Tue, 10/13/09, John Metzger <johnm_63379@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:26 AM   Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 3a. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "Edward" am-flyr@telus. net   fyrrfytr Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:45 am (PDT) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@.. .> wrote: > What Confusion... >>>...its amazing how many people cant figure out that anyone with a drawer full of engines can put together any number of differant configurations of an engine ...you simply take a piece of this and a piece of that and it seems everyone is CONFUSED...its called KITBASHING ...and these items are not Strange or Rare AF uncatalogued missing links...Just Trains > Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. > > One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). > > All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@> wrote: > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all. > > > > > >   > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 3b. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@yahoo. com   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) I never caught the tender descrepency. I was too focused on the loco. Regarding that. I wonder how more smoke juice would be added. My main concern about this whole thing is with the possibility that some uninformed new-to-the-FlyerWor ld of Cool Stuff might win this thinking that he or she might have a rare gem, when it's really a pig in a polk. Then again, let the buyer beware!  Thanks for all of your input, guys! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 10/13/09, richs009 <richs009@yahoo. com> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:27 AM   Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. - Rich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 4a. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "Bill Drake" ee_train@yahoo. com   ee_train Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) His "other items" includes a blue Casey Jones with red pilot and a tender with link coupler and sheet metal trucks. Somebody was having fun.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:49 PM   I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com > <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 4b. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "The Laniers" hblanier@embarqmail .com   paflyrman Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) This reworked item probably has the choo choo only unit found in the AF 301 Atlantic; it does not have a smoke chamber, just the chugger portion of the combination chugger/smoke unit with which most folks are more familiar. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com > <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 5a. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "jaay_st" jaay_st@yahoo. com   jaay_st Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5b. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@hotmail. com   benperryjr Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) Hi Dave; This might help http://images. google.com/ images?hl= en&resnum= 0&q=Miss Rheingold photos&um=1& ie=UTF-8& ei=7cDUSqGIBM2X8 AbSwcyADQ& sa=X&oi=image_ result_group &ct=title&resnum= 1&ved=0CBUQsAQwA A Regards. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5c. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@hotmail. com   benperryjr Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5d. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Joseph Haughney" J.Haughney1@ verizon.net   zane323 Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:49 pm (PDT) Gentlemen, Seems like my little request for Beer Reefers has generated a lot of interest in beer reefers decals. As I stated in my original messages, my desire is for local Pa.,NJ and even some NY brews. RHEINGOLD does come to mind in addition to the normal Schmidts of Philadelphia, Eslinger, and other local PA brands. Maybe one could have multiple Ms Rhingolds decals for fleet operations. My favorite of course is the little green bottles of Rolling Rock. Our frat parties would start with many cases of Rolling Rock on one side of room and end when all of the cases were empty on the back porch. Ah, memories. Of course now a days, my kidneys would be on dialisys if I drank at those consumption levels. Anyway, you have my votes, let the decals role and let S helper know that we need unpainted reefers. Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Ben Perry Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 6. DECALS You Design Posted by: "Dave" lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com   lbrenterprisesllc Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:47 am (PDT) We have been asked by several of the members here to design decal sets for their refrigerator cars using their choice of breweries. We thought this might be a good idea for all of the members interested in this option so we are offering a LIMITED TIME OFFER to all just to see where this option goes and weather we should offer it on a permanent basis. THIS INITIAL OFFER WILL ONLY BE IN EFFECT UNTIL Nov. 30, 2009. THIS OFFER IS ONLY FOR MAIL IN ORDERS. YOU DESIGN YOUR OWN BREWERY DECAL SET. THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK: 1. All sets will feature 2 full color logos (you supply sample) 2. All sets will have enough text & markings to do both sides of car and top end numbers (you supply sample - reporting marks, weights, measurements, etc.). 4. All text and markings will be in black color only. 5. COST: $10.25 per set which includes shipping. 6. TIME TO DELIVERY: Approx. 45 days from receipt of order. 7. PAYMENT: Personal Check (add 7-10 days), money order or chashiers check. Please let us know what you think about this new service and how it may help you with your modeling endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@lbrenterprises llc.com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7a. Re: RE : American Graffitti Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@yahoo. com   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) Poetic Justice elevated to a new level! Yes! PUN intended!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@comcast. net> Subject: [S-Trains] RE : American Graffitti To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:01 PM   If you don't like graffitti on railroad rolling stock, you might enjoy this tid-bit that reputedly happened at a storage yard for New York City's subway/elevated trains. I cannot speak for the veracity of the story because I got it in an e-mail a few years ago, but it IS a good tale..... A well known "tagger" (slang for spray can wall artist) had been nailed by the Transit Police a number of times, and was facing going "up the river" to do some serious time if nabbed again. Therefore, he decided to do a "farewell" performance and quit. While being watched by several "associates" from the other side of the yard's chain link fence, he created his final masterpiece on the sides of one of the then new stainless steel trains, windows and all. Unfortunately, when he stepped back to admire his crowning achievement, it was onto an active mainline, and he was immediately struck down by a speeding train! Supposedly one of the "associates" was video taping the affair, but I have yet to see that show up on YouTube. Probably just as well. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 8. Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_ mr 0 1 Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@yahoo. com   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:33 am (PDT) Can anyone tell me what this is about? Does this guy go by polpolk9?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_ mr 0 1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:18 PM =A0didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and whether= or not thec came with wire rails?=A0 Well, it appears that someone on E-Ba= y is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I found i= t at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No where i= n the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was repaint= ed. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out of = the top of the engine. No doubt more than a little re-wiring as well. It is= a very nice looking unit, BUT! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56579	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Decal Setting Solution

Jim,      Sure, but test on an area on the tender that doesn't show first as it may affect some incompatible paints or if the surface has any oil on it, it will fish eye.      Give us your phone number off site and I can talk you through it and answer any other questions you might have. Dave      --- On Wed, 10/14/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decal Setting Solution To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:40 PM   Dave- I noticed on an earlier post that you usually spray a couple coats of clear matte finish over the decals on your plastic cars. Do you also recommend using the matte spray over the decals on a metal tender? Thanks, Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" < [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56580	From: Dave	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: P&WV Box Car

The next car up is our #1293 "PITTSBURGH & WEST VIRGINIA" 40' box car. We have posted to our album here at this site. For those interested please follow the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1377090671/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc As always, thank you for the oppertunity to share our items with you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56581	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: U33C

Any news on the AF U33C? In 2009 Vol I there was no mention of a fan driven smoke unit, but in Vol 2 it is listed, so hopefully it will have one. In both catalog it mentions ____ motor, but I'm still hoping both trucks are powered as with the 48075 NH EP5 which also only oly had ____ motor (not motors) listed in its description, but was manufactured with both trucks powered separately.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56582	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -

Electrocouplers and Odyssey cruise? Those would be unexpected, but very much welcomed, features. Please keep us posted Bob. Things. Not to get too far ahead of things, but maybe that would mean electrocouplers on the U33C? And/or as spare parts? Would be nice not to have to hack O-gauge electro-couplers any longer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56583	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 -

I would like to see some photos as well, but I have heard that the stogy folks at York don¹t allow photography. Roy Inman on 10/15/09 7:47 AM, clayton deich at uvl97222@... wrote: > > > > > Bob I have had my order in from the start of all this. Will you be able to > take photos?  >  Clayton  Milwaukie OR. > --- On Wed, 10/14/09, rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> > <rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> > wrote: > > From: rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> <rbubeck327@... > <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest > Number 4634 - > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:32 PM > >   > > A completed sample was shown here today at the Lionel presentation at > > the Toy Train Museum on Wednesday, Oct. 14 at 4:00 PM. The Big Boy > > looks very nice and is to have full features including Legacy control, > > electrocouplers, wireless tether, smoke with variable control, sounds, > > and (if I heard Matt Ashba correctly) Odyssey cruise control. We here > > at York will get a better look at the L-AF Big Boy in Orange Hall > > tomorrow. It appears that Lionel is delivering more than originally > > first promised in the catalog. According to the presentation, we should > > have these in hand before the end of the year. > > We will learn more tomorrow. > > Bob Bubeck > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:32 am > > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4634 > > S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains > > Messages In This Digest (16 Messages) > > 1a. > > Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian > > 1b. > > Re: Product delay problems From: portlines > > 1c. > > Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian > > 2a. > > Re: Sign Question From: John Metzger > > 2b. > > Re: Sign Question From: Robert Conner > > 3a. > > Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Edward > > 3b. > > Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: michael prell > > 4a. > > Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Bill Drake > > 4b. > > Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: The > > Laniers > > 5a. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: jaay_st > > 5b. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry > > 5c. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry > > 5d. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Joseph Haughney > > 6. > > DECALS You Design From: Dave > > 7a. > > Re: RE : American Graffitti From: michael prell > > 8. > > Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_ mr 0 1 From: michael prell > > View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages > > 1a. > > Re: Product delay problems > > Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@hotmail. com   sgaugian > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) > > Lionel.com now shows November 09 for the BB. Not that will it > > necessarilty/ actually ship then, but recently it used to show September, > > then October, now November. U33C still showing as December '09. Last > > newsletter from Doug Peck indicated the BB's may have left port in > > September and could arrive during October. The November posting on > > Lionel.com may now mean otherwise. Let's hope it just arrives some day, > > works well, and looks great. Same with the U33C. > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (4) > > 1b. > > Re: Product delay problems > > Posted by: "portlines" doug@portlines. com   portlines > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) > > I'm not claiming this to be "gospel", but the latest word I was told is > > that the BBs should begin shipping by the end of this month, and start > > appearing on shelves next month. But.......who knows. > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines > > www.sgaugetrains. com > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote: > >> > > >> > Maybe one of the more knowledgable people on this list can > > confirm/deny the rumor going around that the Big Boy has been either > > pushed back again to next year, or cancelled altogether.. ........> > > Stumpy Stone...getting worried in Appalachia. > >> > > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (4) > > 1c. > > Re: Product delay problems > > Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@hotmail. com   sgaugian > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) > > One might expect then to see at least a prototype or test model version > > of it at York. > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (4) > > 2a. > > Re: Sign Question > > Posted by: "John Metzger" johnm_63379@ yahoo.com   johnm_63379 > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) > > Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing > > pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People > > how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad > > crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for > > the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have > > gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad > > property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question > >   > > I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of > > anyone having problems resulting from this. > > Rich > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> > > To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> > > Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question > > <Sign Question > > <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net > > <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) > > <Yes its kinda train related..... ... > > <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a > > "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded > > Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... > > There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going > > to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner > > <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who > > came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly > > <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! > > Robert, > > My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see > > if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments > > have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing > > the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt > > there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to > > put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). > > Just my two cents worth. > > Gary Chudzinski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (11) > > 2b. > > Re: Sign Question > > Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net   rcon7@bellsouth. net > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:07 am (PDT) > > There are no marking as to RR.... So up it goes in the yard.... Bob > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, John Metzger <johnm_63379@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:26 AM > >   > > Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing > > pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People > > how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad > > crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for > > the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have > > gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad > > property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question > >   > > I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of > > anyone having problems resulting from this. > > Rich > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> > > To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> > > Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question > > <Sign Question > > <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net > > <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) > > <Yes its kinda train related..... ... > > <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a > > "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded > > Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... > > There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going > > to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner > > <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who > > came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly > > <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! > > Robert, > > My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see > > if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments > > have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing > > the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt > > there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to > > put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). > > Just my two cents worth. > > Gary Chudzinski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (11) > > 3a. > > Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > > Posted by: "Edward" am-flyr@telus. net   fyrrfytr > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:45 am (PDT) > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "richs009" <richs009@.. .> wrote: > >> > > > What Confusion... >>>...its amazing how many people cant figure out that > > anyone with a drawer full of engines can put together any number of > > differant configurations of an engine ...you simply take a piece of > > this and a piece of that and it seems everyone is CONFUSED...its called > > KITBASHING ...and these items are not Strange or Rare AF uncatalogued > > missing links...Just Trains > >> > Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it > > different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for > > the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the > > reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows > > the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what > > appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. > > Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender > > found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found > > with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been > > changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also > > has a knuckle coupler. > >> > > >> > One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says > > the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole > > in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the > > 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver > > Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the > > books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). > >> > > >> > All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the > > 353 number just to add to the confusion. > >> > > >> > - Rich > >> > > >> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, michael prell <mlprell@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about > > says it all. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >   > >>> > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > >>> > > The inmates are running the institution! > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > > > >> > > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (4) > > 3b. > > Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > > Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@yahoo. com   snottpuppy124 > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) > > I never caught the tender descrepency. I was too focused on the loco. > > Regarding that. I wonder how more smoke juice would be added. My main > > concern about this whole thing is with the possibility that some > > uninformed new-to-the-FlyerWor ld of Cool Stuff might win this thinking > > that he or she might have a rare gem, when it's really a pig in a polk. > > Then again, let the buyer beware!  Thanks for all of your input, guys! > > Mike > >   > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, richs009 <richs009@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: richs009 <richs009@yahoo. com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:27 AM > >   > > Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it > > different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for > > the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the > > reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows > > the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what > > appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. > > Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender > > found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found > > with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been > > changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also > > has a knuckle coupler. > > One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the > > choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in > > the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 > > nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did > > have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle > > and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). > > All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 > > number just to add to the confusion. > > - Rich > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (4) > > 4a. > > Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > > Posted by: "Bill Drake" ee_train@yahoo. com   ee_train > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) > > His "other items" includes a blue Casey Jones with red pilot and a > > tender with link coupler and sheet metal trucks. Somebody was having > > fun. > >   > > Bill Drake > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> wrote: > > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> > > Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:49 PM > >   > > I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." > > Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't > > seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears > > to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct > > one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. > > Dale Smith > > michael prell wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > >> > > >> > > >> > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > >> > The inmates are running the institution! > >> > > >> > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com > >> > <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> > From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > >> > > >> > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > >> > To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > >> > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com> > >> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > >> > it all. > >> > > >> > > >> > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > >> > The inmates are running the institution! > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (5) > > 4b. > > Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > > Posted by: "The Laniers" hblanier@embarqmail .com   paflyrman > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) > > This reworked item probably has the choo choo only unit found in the AF > > 301 Atlantic; it does not have a smoke chamber, just the chugger > > portion of the combination chugger/smoke unit with which most folks are > > more familiar. > > paflyrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dale Smith > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > > I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." > > Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't > > seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears > > to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct > > one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. > > Dale Smith > > michael prell wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > >> > > >> > > >> > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > >> > The inmates are running the institution! > >> > > >> > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com > >> > <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> > From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > > >> > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > >> > To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > >> > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com> > >> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > >> > it all. > >> > > >> > > >> > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > >> > The inmates are running the institution! > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (5) > > 5a. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers > > Posted by: "jaay_st" jaay_st@yahoo. com   jaay_st > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) > > Dave, > > No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. > > It was the number one beer for many years in this area. > > Jay > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (6) > > 5b. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers > > Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@hotmail. com   benperryjr > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) > > Hi Dave; > > This might help > > http://images. google.com/ images?hl= en&resnum= 0&q=Miss Rheingold > > photos&um=1& ie=UTF-8& ei=7cDUSqGIBM2X8 AbSwcyADQ& sa=X&oi=image_ result_group > > &ct=title&resnum= 1&ved=0CBUQsAQwA A > > Regards. > > Ben Perry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (6) > > 5c. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers > > Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@hotmail. com   benperryjr > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) > > Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. > > Ben Perry > > Drive like > > A railroad engineer > > Take it easy > > When the road's > > Not clear > > Burma~Shave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jaay_st > > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers > > Dave, > > No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. > > It was the number one beer for many years in this area. > > Jay > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (6) > > 5d. > > Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers > > Posted by: "Joseph Haughney" J.Haughney1@ verizon.net   zane323 > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:49 pm (PDT) > > Gentlemen, > > Seems like my little request for Beer Reefers has generated a lot of > > interest in beer reefers decals. As I stated in my original messages, my > > desire is for local Pa.,NJ and even some NY brews. RHEINGOLD does come > > to > > mind in addition to the normal Schmidts of Philadelphia, Eslinger, and > > other > > local PA brands. Maybe one could have multiple Ms Rhingolds decals for > > fleet operations. > > My favorite of course is the little green bottles of Rolling Rock. Our > > frat > > parties would start with many cases of Rolling Rock on one side of room > > and > > end when all of the cases were empty on the back porch. Ah, memories. Of > > course now a days, my kidneys would be on dialisys if I drank at those > > consumption levels. Anyway, you have my votes, let the decals role and > > let S > > helper know that we need unpainted reefers. > > Joe Haughney > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On > > Behalf > > Of Ben Perry > > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:02 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers > > Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. > > Ben Perry > > Drive like > > A railroad engineer > > Take it easy > > When the road's > > Not clear > > Burma~Shave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jaay_st > > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers > > Dave, > > No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. > > It was the number one beer for many years in this area. > > Jay > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (6) > > 6. > > DECALS You Design > > Posted by: "Dave" lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com   lbrenterprisesllc > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:47 am (PDT) > > We have been asked by several of the members here to design decal sets > > for their refrigerator cars using their choice of breweries. > > We thought this might be a good idea for all of the members interested > > in this option so we are offering a LIMITED TIME OFFER to all just to > > see where this option goes and weather we should offer it on a > > permanent basis. > > THIS INITIAL OFFER WILL ONLY BE IN EFFECT UNTIL Nov. 30, 2009. > > THIS OFFER IS ONLY FOR MAIL IN ORDERS. > > YOU DESIGN YOUR OWN BREWERY DECAL SET. > > THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK: > > 1. All sets will feature 2 full color logos (you supply sample) > > 2. All sets will have enough text & markings to do both sides of car > > and top end numbers (you supply sample - reporting marks, weights, > > measurements, etc.). > > 4. All text and markings will be in black color only. > > 5. COST: $10.25 per set which includes shipping. > > 6. TIME TO DELIVERY: Approx. 45 days from receipt of order. > > 7. PAYMENT: Personal Check (add 7-10 days), money order or chashiers > > check. > > Please let us know what you think about this new service and how it may > > help you with your modeling endeavors. > > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc > > www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com > > P.O. Box 494 > > Goshen, KY 40026 > > (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) > > dave@lbrenterprises llc.com > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (1) > > 7a. > > Re: RE : American Graffitti > > Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@yahoo. com   snottpuppy124 > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) > > Poetic Justice elevated to a new level! Yes! PUN intended! > >   > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: > > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@comcast. net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE : American Graffitti > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:01 PM > >   > > If you don't like graffitti on railroad rolling stock, you might enjoy > > this tid-bit that reputedly happened at a storage yard for New York > > City's subway/elevated trains. I cannot speak for the veracity of the > > story because I got it in an e-mail a few years ago, but it IS a good > > tale..... > > A well known "tagger" (slang for spray can wall artist) had been nailed > > by the Transit Police a number of times, and was facing going "up the > > river" to do some serious time if nabbed again. Therefore, he decided > > to do a "farewell" performance and quit. While being watched by several > > "associates" from the other side of the yard's chain link fence, he > > created his final masterpiece on the sides of one of the then new > > stainless steel trains, windows and all. > > Unfortunately, when he stepped back to admire his crowning achievement, > > it was onto an active mainline, and he was immediately struck down by a > > speeding train! > > Supposedly one of the "associates" was video taping the affair, but I > > have yet to see that show up on YouTube. Probably just as well. > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > > Messages in this topic (2) > > 8. > > Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_ mr 0 1 > > Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@yahoo. com   snottpuppy124 > > Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:33 am (PDT) > > Can anyone tell me what this is about? Does this guy go by polpolk9? > >   > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_ mr 0 1 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:18 PM > > =A0didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and > > whether= > > or not thec came with wire rails?=A0 Well, it appears that someone on > > E-Ba= > > y is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I > > found i= > > t at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No > > where i= > > n the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was > > repaint= > > ed. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out > > of = > > the top of the engine. No doubt more than a little re-wiring as well. > > It is= > > a very nice looking unit, BUT! > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > =20 > > =20=20=20=20= 20=20 > > =20=20=20=20 > > =20=20=20=20 > > =09 > > =09=20 > > =09 > > =09 > > =09 > > =09 > > =09 > > =09 > > =09 > > =09 > > =20=20=20=20= 20=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --OxoxLBWSqGZqxiCv8 Fw3GU40zH6Z7hvq- JjIsGQ > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO- 8859-1 > > Content-Transfer- Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" > > "http://www.w3. org/TR/htm= > > l4/strict.dtd" > > > <html> > > <head> > > </head> > > <body style=3D"background -color: #ffffff;"> > > <span style=3D"display: none">  </span> > > <!--~-|**|PrettyHtm lStartT|* *|-~--> > > <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"width: 655px; position:relative; "> > > <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 > > 0; f= > > loat:left; z-index:1;"> > > <!--~-|**|PrettyHtm lEndT|**| -~--> > >     <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > > >                   <p>=A0Mike, also it has Choo Choo down not that it > > smokes= > > . I have a few smoke units that have the smoke box part cut off in my > > parts= > > pile.....=A0Some one will want it.<br> > > <br> > > Clayton=A0=A0Milwau kie OR.<br> > > <br> > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <<a > > href=3D"mailto: mlprell%40yahoo. c= > > om">mlprell@ yahoo.<wbr> com</a>> wrote:<br> > > <br> > > From: michael prell <<a > > href=3D"mailto: mlprell%40yahoo. com">mlprell@ yaho= > > o.<wbr>com</ a>><br> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Um, Excuse me, but....<br> > > To: <a > > href=3D"mailto: S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com">S-trains@ yahoogroup< wbr>s= > > .com</a>, <a > > href=3D"mailto: toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com">toytrains@ yahoogro= > > u<wbr>ps.com< /a><br> > > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:21 AM<br> > > <br> > > =A0<br> > > <br> > > =A0didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and > > whether= > > or not thec came with wire rails?=A0 Well, it appears that someone on > > E-Ba= > > y is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I > > found i= > > t at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No > > where i= > > n the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was > > repaint= > > ed. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out > > of = > > the top of the engine. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56584	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: S Scale Shay

Does any company manufacture an S scale Shay Locomotive? Thanks, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56585	From: johntech	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Walthers new flyer

Hi All I just got an email the other day from Walthers indicating that they are coming out with a new flyer will now include O AND S gauge. I didn't know they carried anything in S. There must be enough of an intrest in S gauge for them to be putting it in their flyers. I had always thought that they were strictly HO as that is all I ever seen in the flyers I have gotten. "Another small step for S gaugers ..........." John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56586	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Shay

I think River Rasin did in Brass..... Someone did a few years back..... The BB will be much Cheaper..... Bob --- On Thu, 10/15/09, colleenandrob <colleenandrob@...> wrote: From: colleenandrob <colleenandrob@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Shay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:02 PM   Does any company manufacture an S scale Shay Locomotive? Thanks, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56587	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers new flyer

Walthers sold I think S-Helper products, but not very much. ________________________________ From: johntech <beebear@...> To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 4:30:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Walthers new flyer   Hi All I just got an email the other day from Walthers indicating that they are coming out with a new flyer will now include O AND S gauge. I didn't know they carried anything in S. There must be enough of an intrest in S gauge for them to be putting it in their flyers. I had always thought that they were strictly HO as that is all I ever seen in the flyers I have gotten. "Another small step for S gaugers ..........." John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56588	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers new flyer

from Alan Lambert Walthers lists more than just S-Helper. Just go to their website click on shop and pick S Guage. You will be suprised at what you find.                                                                  Thanks,                                                                             Alan Lambert                                                                             Lone Star Flyer Club --- On Thu, 10/15/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Walthers new flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 6:09 PM   Walthers sold I think S-Helper products, but not very much. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: johntech <beebear@bex. net> To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 4:30:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Walthers new flyer   Hi All I just got an email the other day from Walthers indicating that they are coming out with a new flyer will now include O AND S gauge. I didn't know they carried anything in S. There must be enough of an intrest in S gauge for them to be putting it in their flyers. I had always thought that they were strictly HO as that is all I ever seen in the flyers I have gotten. "Another small step for S gaugers ..........." John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56589	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: RE Walthers new flyer

While Walthers is predominantly a supplier of HO and to a lesser amount, N scale, they began many years ago with O scale. And yes, at one time or another, they have carried just about every scale, including the narrow gauge variations. They had a separate O and S catalog, a separate G scale/Large scale catalog, and even had a combined S, O, G, and Large scale catalog for a time. During the past few years, there has been a "shake out" of small HO and N manufacturers availible to Walthers. This is because Horizon Hobbies, another hobby distributor who used to concentrate on model airplanes and R/C, has moved into model railroading. They bought up Athern and MDC/Roundhouse, the most popular brands, and Walthers could no longer sell them. There is a scramble going on behind the scenes in the hobby business (and has been for several years), so anything is possible. Stumpy Stone...hoping my guys are doing well at York.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56590	From: ironhorse_66	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: American Flyer Silver Streak

From: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SOURWY@... Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:30 PM To: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com Subject: American Flyer Silver Streak The Christmas of 1952 I received an American Flyer #405 "Silver Streak" PA locomotive with the passenger car set. I purchased a B. Unit in earkt 1954, and I was sure it was in the Silver Streak scheme. I wanted to know if any one knew if the B was made for sale? I have been told that they were only a few proto types made and not for sale. I purchased the unit from my local American Flyer store at the BF Goodrich dealer in Ocala, Florida. This was over fifty years ago so my memory is not all that good, but I am sure of the B. Unit, be not as sure of the Silver Streak name on the unit. If any know the story about the B. Units please let me know. Sincerely, Allen L. Wiener Ocala, Florida Email: SouRwy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56591	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer Silver Streak

Hi Allen,                     Gilbert never made a Silver Streak "B" Unit.  405 Silver Streak "A" Unit came in set number 5205W with 660 Combine, 661 Coach & 662 Vista Dome plastic passenger cars. No Observation car. 405 Diesel has air chime.  Extremely valuable if you have this set with 500 series passenger cars.  If chrome is excellent, this is a very nice collectible set.                                      Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/15/09, ironhorse_66 <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: ironhorse_66 <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Silver Streak To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:44 PM   From: S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of SOURWY@... Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:30 PM To: S-Trains-owner@ yahoogroups. com Subject: American Flyer Silver Streak The Christmas of 1952 I received an American Flyer #405 "Silver Streak" PA locomotive with the passenger car set. I purchased a B. Unit in earkt 1954, and I was sure it was in the Silver Streak scheme. I wanted to know if any one knew if the B was made for sale? I have been told that they were only a few proto types made and not for sale. I purchased the unit from my local American Flyer store at the BF Goodrich dealer in Ocala, Florida. This was over fifty years ago so my memory is not all that good, but I am sure of the B. Unit, be not as sure of the Silver Streak name on the unit. If any know the story about the B. Units please let me know. Sincerely, Allen L. Wiener Ocala, Florida Email: SouRwy@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56592	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Walthers new flyer

Hi John,                     In the 6th Edition of Walter's Big Trains Catalog, they listed G-O and S Gauge. S items included Laser Kit Structures by American Model Builders, Bar Mills Billboards and Structures,FKM Findkind Structures and detail parts, Lionel American Flyer trains and accessories, CTT Inc. Track Planner, K-Line "S Gauge Rolling Stock, Kadee "S" Scale Couplers, Micro Scale Decals, Preiser 1/72 Scale Figures, and The Showcase Line "S" Helper Service.  I believe Walter's has discontinued the Big Trains Catalog.  Since Lionel began making American Flyer "S" Gauge in 1979. there has been significant growth in "S".  You now have three major manufacturers, American Models, Lionel, and The Showcase Line.  The major drawback is you can't get hobby shops to carry "S" on the shelfs, but there are plenty of smaller companies who specialize in "S".  "S" Scenery, Port Line Hobbies, Bill Parr and others.  Walter's would be an advantage because you could purchase paint and scenery supplies along with the trains.  If the new flyer indicates which lines they are handling that may help you buying "S" gauge trains.                                                         Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 10/15/09, johntech <beebear@...> wrote: From: johntech <beebear@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Walthers new flyer To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:30 PM   Hi All I just got an email the other day from Walthers indicating that they are coming out with a new flyer will now include O AND S gauge. I didn't know they carried anything in S. There must be enough of an intrest in S gauge for them to be putting it in their flyers. I had always thought that they were strictly HO as that is all I ever seen in the flyers I have gotten. "Another small step for S gaugers ..........." John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56593	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635

A follow up .... A final version sample of the L-AF Big Boy was runing on the Lionel display layout all day today. It does have Odyssey cruise control along with all the usual Legacy features (Legacy TMCC, Odyssey cruise, RS5.0, electrocouplers, variable smoke level, 4 chuffs/rev., IR tether). This engine will have the most operational features ever offered in an S gauge locomotive. It does have some compromises as a model, as was expected given the fact that the engine was sprung from the K-Line "Little Boy", but many will find this acceptable given the operational capabilities. You all will be able to judge for yourselves by December, 2009. Bob Bubeck >> A completed sample was shown here today at the Lionel presentation at the Toy Train Museum on Wednesday, Oct. 14 at 4:00 PM. The Big Boy looks very nice and is to have full features including Legacy control, electrocouplers, wireless tether, smoke with variable control, sounds, and (if I heard Matt Ashba correctly) Odyssey cruise control. We here at York will get a better look at the L-AF Big Boy in Orange Hall tomorrow. It appears that Lionel is delivering more than originally first promised in the catalog. According to the presentation, we should have these in hand before the end of the year. We will learn more tomorrow. Bob Bubeck << -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 6:57 am Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (12 Messages) 1a. Re: Chat server is Down From: myflyertrains@... 1b. Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!! From: carl@... 1c. Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!! From: myflyertrains@... 2. (no subject) From: michael prell 3a. Decal Setting Solution From: Dave 3b. Re: Decal Setting Solution From: jimensign50@... 4. New Decal Info. From: Dave 5a. DECALS You Design From: John Stevens 6a. Re: S Trains CHAT From: mrstumpy50 6b. Re: S Trains CHAT From: John Metzger 7. Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 - From: rbubeck327@... 8. Cost of attending train shows and "Absentee Vendor" tables From: Alan Evans View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Chat server is Down Posted by: "myflyertrains@..." myflyertrains@...   myflyertrains Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:37 pm (PDT) Carl, Might I suggest the chat room at MyFlyerTrains.org. Right now it is customized for my wife's embroidery people but is pretty much unused and ready to gyo as is. I can further customize it for us when I get home from York. In the mean time... Pretty much the same chat software that you and Paul used. http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Later.. Chuck PS: Hitting the pre-meets this morning! ---- Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. > > Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. > Carl > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 1b. Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!! Posted by: "carl@..." carl@...   carl4flyer Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:53 pm (PDT) Chuck, Well I have mine repaired now. I restored some files from a backup and it is working so it was not my ISP's issue. I will leave my chat up then for now but we can use yours for a backup plan "B" if that is ok? Good to have a backup so we don't get stranded like last week. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of myflyertrains@... Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Carl Tuveson Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat server is Down Carl, Might I suggest the chat room at MyFlyerTrains.org. Right now it is customized for my wife's embroidery people but is pretty much unused and ready to gyo as is. I can further customize it for us when I get home from York. In the mean time... Pretty much the same chat software that you and Paul used. http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Later.. Chuck PS: Hitting the pre-meets this morning! ---- Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. > > Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. > Carl > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 1c. Re: Chat server is Down-- Restored and working !!! Posted by: "myflyertrains@..." myflyertrains@...   myflyertrains Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:40 pm (PDT) Carl that is good news. The room is there if ever needed. Chuck ---- carl@... wrote: > Chuck, > > Well I have mine repaired now. I restored some files from a backup and it is working so it was not my ISP's issue. > > I will leave my chat up then for now but we can use yours for a backup plan "B" if that is ok? > > Good to have a backup so we don't get stranded like last week. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of myflyertrains@... > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:46 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Carl Tuveson > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat server is Down > > > Carl, > > Might I suggest the chat room at MyFlyerTrains.org. Right now it is customized for my wife's embroidery people but is pretty much unused and ready to gyo as is. I can further customize it for us when I get home from York. In the mean time... > > Pretty much the same chat software that you and Paul used. > > http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Later.. Chuck > > PS: Hitting the pre-meets this morning! > > ---- Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > > The Chat Server is down and may not be available till further notice. It looks like the Service provider has stopped offering the service. > > > > Sorry... we may need to look for an alternate chat service. > > Carl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 2. (no subject) Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@...   snottpuppy124 Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:38 pm (PDT) Friends, Romans, Countrymen & Women, From this day forth, please send any and all correespondance to the following e-mail address. bull124dog4@...  Certain YAHOO incoming mail activities have forced me with no other choice. Thank you for your cooperation and patience. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 3a. Decal Setting Solution Posted by: "Dave" lbrenterprisesllc@...   lbrenterprisesllc Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:38 pm (PDT) We have been asked on more than one occasion if a "SETTING SOLUTION" can be used on our decals. The answer is "YES" but be sure it does not affect the paint of sub-strata of the object you use it on. We recommend only one setting solution "WALTHERS BRAND SOLVASET". Although others may be used at the modelers own risk. Our decals are somewhat different from most as they have a top coating that minimunizes the tearing problem of most. Therefore we recommend that the "SOLVASET" be used under the decal. We follow these steps: 1. After trimming decal to desired shape soak in room temp. tap water until decal will slide freely from backing paper (do not remove from backing paper at this time). 2. Apply setting solution to area of decals final resting place. 3. Remove decal from backing paper and drag through the setting solution with a pair of non-seratted twesers then position in final place. 4. Using a cotton tipped swab gentally roll the excess setting solution from under the decal paying attention to bracing and rivit rows. 5. Set aside to dry. 6. Top coat as you deam necessary. With a little practice you will become a "MASTER DECAL SETTER". Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 3b. Re: Decal Setting Solution Posted by: "jimensign50@..." jimensign50@...   hugoroundhouse Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:00 pm (PDT) Dave- I noticed on an earlier post that you usually spray a couple coats of clear matte finish over the decals on your plastic cars. Do you also recommend using the matte spray over the decals on a metal tender? Thanks, Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:11:07 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Decal Setting Solution We have been asked on more than one occasion if a "SETTING SOLUTION" can be used on our decals. The answer is "YES" but be sure it does not affect the paint of sub-strata of the object you use it on. We recommend only one setting solution "WALTHERS BRAND SOLVASET". Although others may be used at the modelers own risk. Our decals are somewhat different from most as they have a top coating that minimunizes the tearing problem of most. Therefore we recommend that the "SOLVASET" be used under the decal. We follow these steps: 1. After trimming decal to desired shape soak in room temp. tap water until decal will slide freely from backing paper (do not remove from backing paper at this time). 2. Apply setting solution to area of decals final resting place. 3. Remove decal from backing paper and drag through the setting solution with a pair of non-seratted twesers then position in final place. 4. Using a cotton tipped swab gentally roll the excess setting solution from under the decal paying attention to bracing and rivit rows. 5. Set aside to dry. 6. Top coat as you deam necessary. With a little practice you will become a "MASTER DECAL SETTER". Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 4. New Decal Info. Posted by: "Dave" lbrenterprisesllc@...   lbrenterprisesllc Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:38 pm (PDT) Good Morning All, With the permission of the groups moderator we would like to start posting info. about our new decals when they are avaliable at our web site. First offerings are: 1. #1923 Pittsburgh & West Virginia 40' Box Car, Set (White Text & Herald) 2. #3085 Pittsburgh & West Virginia 40' 2 Bay Hopper, Set (White Text & Herald) Avaliable Date: 10-14-2009 Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 5a. DECALS You Design Posted by: "John Stevens" jaay_st@...   jaay_st Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:41 pm (PDT) Dave, Sounds good; however, are you really offering to do different versions of each beer depending on each of our preferences? I think you ought to accept suggestions for each beer you decide to produce and then pick one. or put to a vote? Jay Here are a couple of suggestions for Rheingold ---------- That's the definitive slogan for Rheingold ---------- The second is a tray, but the image could be extracted? Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 6a. Re: S Trains CHAT Posted by: "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@...   mrstumpy50 Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:38 pm (PDT) I, for one, enjoy "chatting" with some of the S Trains folks on Sunday evenings. These are people from all over the country that I have never met face to face, but have come to consider them friends. I've missed two weeks now, the first because I wasn't home, and of course this past Sunday, the server problem. I'm starting to suffer from withdrawl.....:-) Stumpy in Appalachia Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 6b. Re: S Trains CHAT Posted by: "John Metzger" johnm_63379@...   johnm_63379 Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:00 pm (PDT) I also missed the past two weeks of chat and hope we have the chat group back up running for this sunday.  johnm63379  John Metzger  Troy, Missouri ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 5:42:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: S Trains CHAT   I, for one, enjoy "chatting" with some of the S Trains folks on Sunday evenings. These are people from all over the country that I have never met face to face, but have come to consider them friends. I've missed two weeks now, the first because I wasn't home, and of course this past Sunday, the server problem. I'm starting to suffer from withdrawl... ..:-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7. Re: AF Big Boy - was Product Delay Problems in Digest Number 4634 - Posted by: "rbubeck327@..." rbubeck327@...   lionely6b Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:01 pm (PDT) A completed sample was shown here today at the Lionel presentation at the Toy Train Museum on Wednesday, Oct. 14 at 4:00 PM. The Big Boy looks very nice and is to have full features including Legacy control, electrocouplers, wireless tether, smoke with variable control, sounds, and (if I heard Matt Ashba correctly) Odyssey cruise control. We here at York will get a better look at the L-AF Big Boy in Orange Hall tomorrow. It appears that Lionel is delivering more than originally first promised in the catalog. According to the presentation, we should have these in hand before the end of the year. We will learn more tomorrow. Bob Bubeck -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:32 am Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4634 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (16 Messages) 1a. Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian 1b. Re: Product delay problems From: portlines 1c. Re: Product delay problems From: sgaugian 2a. Re: Sign Question From: John Metzger 2b. Re: Sign Question From: Robert Conner 3a. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Edward 3b. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: michael prell 4a. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: Bill Drake 4b. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." From: The Laniers 5a. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: jaay_st 5b. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry 5c. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Ben Perry 5d. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers From: Joseph Haughney 6. DECALS You Design From: Dave 7a. Re: RE : American Graffitti From: michael prell 8. Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1 From: michael prell View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@...   sgaugian Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) Lionel.com now shows November 09 for the BB. Not that will it necessarilty/actually ship then, but recently it used to show September, then October, now November. U33C still showing as December '09. Last newsletter from Doug Peck indicated the BB's may have left port in September and could arrive during October. The November posting on Lionel.com may now mean otherwise. Let's hope it just arrives some day, works well, and looks great. Same with the U33C. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 1b. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "portlines" doug@...   portlines Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) I'm not claiming this to be "gospel", but the latest word I was told is that the BBs should begin shipping by the end of this month, and start appearing on shelves next month. But.......who knows. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Maybe one of the more knowledgable people on this list can confirm/deny the rumor going around that the Big Boy has been either pushed back again to next year, or cancelled altogether..........> Stumpy Stone...getting worried in Appalachia. > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 1c. Re: Product delay problems Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@...   sgaugian Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) One might expect then to see at least a prototype or test model version of it at York. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2a. Re: Sign Question Posted by: "John Metzger" johnm_63379@...   johnm_63379 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:44 am (PDT) Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ________________________________ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 2b. Re: Sign Question Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@...   rcon7@... Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:07 am (PDT) There are no marking as to RR.... So up it goes in the yard.... Bob --- On Tue, 10/13/09, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:26 AM   Make sure there are no identification markings on the RR crossing pieces.  In Missouri, the Rock Island RR was never abandoned.  People how ever trespassed onto the doormat property and stole railroad crossing lights, signs, etc. It is an active railroad property now for the past 15 years.  The current owners of this railroad right away have gone into the surrounding counties looking for the stolen railroad property. Some litigation has accrued.  johnm_63379 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:08:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question   I have seen them ( real Crossing signs ) in yards and never heard of anyone having problems resulting from this. Rich ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@earthlink. net> To: S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:32:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sign Question <Sign Question <Posted by: "Robert Conner" rcon7@bellsouth. net rcon7@bellsouth. net <Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT) <Yes its kinda train related..... ... <What are the legal problems you can encounter if you display a "RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN" in your yard? This is a real Extruded Aluminium <Railroad crossbuck that came from somewhere up north.... There is no Railroad markins on it as to who owned it..... I was going to mount it <on a 4 x 4 post in my yard...... Ideas!!!!!!! Bob Conner <PS I got it at a train show from a fellow I have known for years who came from New York years ago.... Had a reepair shop there..... Sadly <he didn't want to sell but The TIMES!!!!! Robert, My suggestion for you is to check with your local zoning board and see if there are any written restrictions. Also, some housing developments have restricftions of their own that might prevent you from installing the sign. If you are paying into a neighborhood association, no doubt there are some published restrictions. Depending on where you want to put it on your property, you might also talk to any close neighbor(s). Just my two cents worth. Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 3a. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "Edward" am-flyr@...   fyrrfytr Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:45 am (PDT) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > What Confusion...>>>...its amazing how many people cant figure out that anyone with a drawer full of engines can put together any number of differant configurations of an engine ...you simply take a piece of this and a piece of that and it seems everyone is CONFUSED...its called KITBASHING ...and these items are not Strange or Rare AF uncatalogued missing links...Just Trains > Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. > > One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). > > All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@> wrote: > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says it all. > > > > > >   > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 3b. Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@...   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) I never caught the tender descrepency. I was too focused on the loco. Regarding that. I wonder how more smoke juice would be added. My main concern about this whole thing is with the possibility that some uninformed new-to-the-FlyerWorld of Cool Stuff might win this thinking that he or she might have a rare gem, when it's really a pig in a polk. Then again, let the buyer beware!  Thanks for all of your input, guys! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 10/13/09, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:27 AM   Interesting -- there are several items about this engine that make it different than a vintage 353 - or 350, for that matter. The slot for the reverse lockout is still present on the engine shell, but the reverse unit appears to have been moved to the tender - one photo shows the lever protruding from the bottom of the tender. There's also what appears to be a four-wire harness from the tender to the engine. Speaking of tenders, this one is not the usual "streamlined" tender found on the 350 and 353. It looks like one of the 'tin' tenders found with the early AF Atlantics and Pacifics, but the trucks have been changed to the sintered frames in place of the stamped frames -- also has a knuckle coupler. One of the photos does show a choo-choo unit (and the ad text says the choo-choo works) - but I don't see a smoke unit. There is no hole in the streamlined smokestack to accommodate a smoke unit. Neither the 350 nor the 353 had smoke/choo-choo. Apparently the 354 (Silver Bullet)did have smoke/choo-choo. My references for all this are the books by Doyle and by Paterson (Greenberg's Guide...). All-in-all, it looks like a careful rework. Too bad it carries the 353 number just to add to the confusion. - Rich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 4a. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "Bill Drake" ee_train@...   ee_train Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) His "other items" includes a blue Casey Jones with red pilot and a tender with link coupler and sheet metal trucks. Somebody was having fun.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:49 PM   I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com > <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com <mailto:mlprell% 40yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:toytrains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 4b. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." Posted by: "The Laniers" hblanier@...   paflyrman Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) This reworked item probably has the choo choo only unit found in the AF 301 Atlantic; it does not have a smoke chamber, just the chugger portion of the combination chugger/smoke unit with which most folks are more familiar. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." I couldn't see your attachment, but he does say it has a "Choo-Choo." Exactly where smoke would come out is a mystery, as the photos don't seem to show any drill out in the area of the stack. Also, it appears to have an early Atlantic or 290 or 282 tender instead of the correct one. The tender appears to have sintered iron trucks too. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > The E-Bay item number in question is 160368280339. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael prell <mlprell@... > <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] A Follow Up to "Excuse me, but...." > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:41 PM > > > > The attached will show a smoke unit in side the loco. That about says > it all. > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 5a. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "jaay_st" jaay_st@...   jaay_st Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 am (PDT) Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5b. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@...   benperryjr Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) Hi Dave; This might help http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Miss Rheingold photos&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=7cDUSqGIBM2X8AbSwcyADQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group &ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQsAQwAA Regards. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5c. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Ben Perry" traindspr@...   benperryjr Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:32 am (PDT) Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 5d. Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Posted by: "Joseph Haughney" J.Haughney1@...   zane323 Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:49 pm (PDT) Gentlemen, Seems like my little request for Beer Reefers has generated a lot of interest in beer reefers decals. As I stated in my original messages, my desire is for local Pa.,NJ and even some NY brews. RHEINGOLD does come to mind in addition to the normal Schmidts of Philadelphia, Eslinger, and other local PA brands. Maybe one could have multiple Ms Rhingolds decals for fleet operations. My favorite of course is the little green bottles of Rolling Rock. Our frat parties would start with many cases of Rolling Rock on one side of room and end when all of the cases were empty on the back porch. Ah, memories. Of course now a days, my kidneys would be on dialisys if I drank at those consumption levels. Anyway, you have my votes, let the decals role and let S helper know that we need unpainted reefers. Joe Haughney _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Perry Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Especially with Miss Rheingold of 19?? on it. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: jaay_st Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NY & NJ Beer Reefers Dave, No issue of NY/NJ Beer decals would be complete without RHEINGOLD BEER. It was the number one beer for many years in this area. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 6. DECALS You Design Posted by: "Dave" lbrenterprisesllc@...   lbrenterprisesllc Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:47 am (PDT) We have been asked by several of the members here to design decal sets for their refrigerator cars using their choice of breweries. We thought this might be a good idea for all of the members interested in this option so we are offering a LIMITED TIME OFFER to all just to see where this option goes and weather we should offer it on a permanent basis. THIS INITIAL OFFER WILL ONLY BE IN EFFECT UNTIL Nov. 30, 2009. THIS OFFER IS ONLY FOR MAIL IN ORDERS. YOU DESIGN YOUR OWN BREWERY DECAL SET. THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK: 1. All sets will feature 2 full color logos (you supply sample) 2. All sets will have enough text & markings to do both sides of car and top end numbers (you supply sample - reporting marks, weights, measurements, etc.). 4. All text and markings will be in black color only. 5. COST: $10.25 per set which includes shipping. 6. TIME TO DELIVERY: Approx. 45 days from receipt of order. 7. PAYMENT: Personal Check (add 7-10 days), money order or chashiers check. Please let us know what you think about this new service and how it may help you with your modeling endeavors. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7a. Re: RE : American Graffitti Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@...   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:48 am (PDT) Poetic Justice elevated to a new level! Yes! PUN intended!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE : American Graffitti To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:01 PM   If you don't like graffitti on railroad rolling stock, you might enjoy this tid-bit that reputedly happened at a storage yard for New York City's subway/elevated trains. I cannot speak for the veracity of the story because I got it in an e-mail a few years ago, but it IS a good tale..... A well known "tagger" (slang for spray can wall artist) had been nailed by the Transit Police a number of times, and was facing going "up the river" to do some serious time if nabbed again. Therefore, he decided to do a "farewell" performance and quit. While being watched by several "associates" from the other side of the yard's chain link fence, he created his final masterpiece on the sides of one of the then new stainless steel trains, windows and all. Unfortunately, when he stepped back to admire his crowning achievement, it was onto an active mainline, and he was immediately struck down by a speeding train! Supposedly one of the "associates" was video taping the affair, but I have yet to see that show up on YouTube. Probably just as well. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 8. Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1 Posted by: "michael prell" mlprell@...   snottpuppy124 Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:33 am (PDT) Can anyone tell me what this is about? Does this guy go by polpolk9?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 10/12/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Umom.yahoo@siy_mr 0 1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:18 PM =A0didn't we recently have a conversation about AF Circus 353's and whether= or not thec came with wire rails?=A0 Well, it appears that someone on E-Ba= y is trying to sell a re-painted royal blue 350 as a 353 W/rails. I found i= t at about page 14, but as things change, it will no doubt move. No where i= n the description does it mention a repainted 350, just that it was repaint= ed. Also, it does not appear to have a reverse unit switck sticking out of = the top of the engine. No doubt more than a little re-wiring as well. It is= a very nice looking unit, BUT! Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56594	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635

Bob, IF you are visiting York all week, how about stopping by Tables I 4 thru 8 in Orange and say HI. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/15/2009 9:36:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56595	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/15/2009
Subject: Re: Product delay problems

The BigBoy is running here at York. According to 2 different Lionek reps, it is definitely expected to ship by the end of November, if not before. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > > Lionel.com now shows November 09 for the BB. Not that will it > necessarilty/actually ship then, but recently it used to show September, > then October, now November. U33C still showing as December '09. Last > newsletter from Doug Peck indicated the BB's may have left port in > September and could arrive during October. The November posting on > Lionel.com may now mean otherwise. Let's hope it just arrives some day, > works well, and looks great. Same with the U33C. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56596	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: S Scale Shay

Hi: I think that PBL, in addition to their Sn3 engines, had produced some S gauge shays/Colorado type 4-6-0's, etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Robert Conner wrote: > > > I think River Rasin did in Brass..... Someone did a few years > back..... The BB will be much Cheaper..... Bob > > --- On Thu, 10/15/09, colleenandrob <colleenandrob@... > <mailto:colleenandrob%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: colleenandrob <colleenandrob@... > <mailto:colleenandrob%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Shay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:02 PM > > > > Does any company manufacture an S scale Shay Locomotive? > > Thanks, > Rob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56597	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Cost of attending train shows and "Absentee Vendor" tables

Loved your idea! Well, really more than an idea since your club is actually doing it. A great idea not only for model train groups but other groups - all of which are fighting problems with costs, low turnouts, etc. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56598	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Sensible Reply Button use - - Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4636

- Greetings - May we please enjoy some sensible use of the reply button (like don't use it to repeat the entire history of many threads that don't even pertain). Swimming thru the crap de jour is getting to be less and less fun! Thanks, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635

LIONEL has TWO loops of A/F track on their big layout. ALMOST blasphemy, I thought. BIG BOY is a piece of work, seems very nicely done, I only watched it on what must be no more than 20" radius track. Watch THIS space for "Apres York Specials". Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/15/2009 10:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: Bob, IF you are visiting York all week, how about stopping by Tables I 4 thru 8 in Orange and say HI. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/15/2009 9:36:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56600	From: Bob	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement

Good evening. I'm pleased to announce that a new "Half-Year" (2 issue) subscription to the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine is now available. Rates are as follows: USA 1st Class USPS postage: $17.95 USA Std. USPS Postage: $13.95 1st Class USPS-Canada: $18.95 All other International: $21.95 Maybe you've been meaning to subscribe, but never seem to have enough extra $$. Now's your opportunity! Check out the website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com and make it happen. If your subscription has expired and you received a renewal notice (or two), please send in your payment as soon as possible. Advertisers: where are you? BTW: One of my columnists e-mailed me last week and said that at a recent train show, he mentioned that he (proudly) wrote for the magazine and the person he spoke to didn't know the magazine changed hands over 14 months ago! Is there anyone else out there that thinks the prior owner is still in charge? Happy modeling! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56601	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!

Hey Guys...... Hows York.... Any good finds..... How are things selling, prices up or down..... Lots of people buying .... Lots of tables..... How did the Bandits do???? Full or sparse???? Miss seeing all.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56602	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2009
Subject: Re: Cost of attending train shows and "Absentee Vendor" tables

Alan. I'd be interested in something like this. Please contact me off list, Mike in Ore In a message dated 10/14/2009 7:33:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alan@... writes: At the 2007 S Spree the Central Ohio S Gaugers sat behind tables for several "Absentee Vendors." We sent letters to potential S vendors asking them to send whatever product(s) they sell, any promotional material, along with an inventory list and price list. Cost was $10 for the table maintained by a COSG member plus the shipping cost to the show and return. For small items the Post Office Flat Rate was available. No room cost, no gas or food expenses, no travel time. The vendor received an 8 foot table and our members were responsible for the table and sales. Several vendors sold quite well. Clubs or show host would be responsible for publicity. If the vendor's product is large, only a few items could be sent for "bait," with extra order forms for an attendee to fill out and mail in. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56603	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Sensible reply button

Say, that brings up something I've wondered about. I see this a lot of times on various Yahoo groups and don't know how to do it. (But that's probably a good thing.) Is there some sort of reply button that repeats the previous message with your new post? Is this like forwarding an e-mail without removing all the previous addresses and BCCing the ones you're sending the message along to? (A lot of people still don't know how to do that!) If you've been following a certain thread (sometimes for days), you really don't need the recap of everything that has been said, because you've already read it. I always thought that repeating the same stuff over and over is redundant. How is this done, and why? Stumpy Stone...I know trains WAY better than I know computers...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56604	From: __A_YAHOO_USER__	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635

Can we see some pictures, even if it is on just a loop of track? My first train was only on a loop. JS --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > LIONEL has TWO loops of A/F track on their big layout. ALMOST blasphemy, > I thought. BIG BOY is a piece of work, seems very nicely done, I only > watched it on what must be no more than 20" radius track. > Watch THIS space for "Apres York Specials". > Jim Lyle > > > > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 10:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > WJJIM@... writes: > > Bob, > > IF you are visiting York all week, how about stopping by Tables I 4 > thru 8 in Orange and say HI. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 9:36:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rbubeck327@... writes: > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56605	From: len_hall	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Big Boy

Could someone attending York take some video of the Big Boy and upload it to YouTube or S-Trains? There are many of us who aren't able to travel to York, or anywhere else for that matter, who have ordered one and are anxious to see it, but especially video, to remove all doubts that we will ever get one. It would be greatly appreciated. Len

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56606	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

mrstumpy50 wrote: > Is there some sort of reply button that repeats the previous message > with your new post? I rarely if ever use the web based forums. Having grown up on e-mail, I find it easier to edit and reply. I also use Thunderbird as my e-mail client and if I'm working on something else, new messages alerts pop up in the bottom right corner and I can either quickly go to them now or just wait until later. I spend a lot of time in front of a monitor (too much really) because I teach computer science classes at a local community college and am always working on labs and assignments for my students. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56607	From: michael prell	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Survival of the Fittest

Back in the day Let's say 1957 at Christmas time, my Mom, with a heart bigger than all out doors, decided that a young cousin of mine (I'll call him Little Johnny) "needed" to have a train set of his very own. And since I already had several (5) she decided that it would be OK to give little John two of mine,  my K-5 and my 350,along with several cars. What good were engines without cars! Despite the fact that I expressed my dissatisfaction over her decision, protest was futile. In those days, what Mother said was law. I've always been patient. So, as luck would have it, about eight years later I was able to retrieve one of the two engines that went to Little Johnny. By this time my 350 was all but destroyed. No more linkage, front truck, no bulb socket and the tender was in pieces. Luckily the reverse unit and motor survived along with all six drive wheels. Instead of throwing the whole thing in the junk, I decided to wrap it up in newspaper and box it.                                                        Time Passes  1983. Upstate New York. In a place called Watertown, I was introduced to a gentleman named,coincidentally, John. who I learned belonged to an organization called TCA. In conversation I learned that most if not all parts for American Flyer were still available, and if I wanted, I could bring it over to his home and he'd check it out and see what I needed. Imagine THAT! WOW! Wouldn't it be great to run the Royal Blue again!                                                 So, I ordered a mess of parts from a fella out in Oregon,whose name I can't recall, but who was able to provide me with every part I needed. It took me the better part of three evenings before I was able to successfully bench test the old girl! She ran like a top!                                                  Time Passes Yet Again.   Present day. I'm now residing at my childhood home in Syracuse with my Wife and best friend who also enjoys  a love of trains and all things cool! My layout has been a work in progress for quite some time and finally, the other night I decided that it was finally time to begin wiring and securing track. First step was to establish the outside rail which goes around the parameter of the 6x10 board. I took great care to make sure that the ancient Gilbert track was installed correctly with no gaps, dirt or loose ties to interrupt operation. I was also careful about installing the several Flyer turnouts as well. Then came the moment of truth. Which engine to run first on the First part of the Second Chance Railroad? Looking at my shelf of engines, my eyes fell across my old Royal Blue. Great choice! Unfortunately I had not run this classic in about ten years, so it was time to give her a good cleaning. As I began work, my memory went back to Mom and Little Johnny. Then to the night I completed the restoration and then to my Dad, who'd gotten me interested in Flyer in the first place. He was a man who had worked damn hard all of his life, provided for his family and would do just about anything for anyone. Unfortunately he died at age 65 from Type II Diabetes, back when treatment was limited. I tried to imagine what he'd think about my finally getting a good place to set up and run these treasures. I think he would have enjoyed seeing this stuff run again. And the Blue ran like the wind! After all of these years I still could not put her into the turns at full speed without her flying off the track! Half throttle and no more, Laddy! But as for the straight aways? My, My could she FLY!   So, there you have it. Maybe too long a story for a single post and maybe a bit corny to add, but what the heck. Aren't stories like this the stuff that keeps us all kids at heart?       Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56608	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

Well, I saw this topic brought up once again (i.e. people not deleting all the previous messages before replying) and thought 'Some one is trying to fight the 'good' fight once again but with the same result as always - i.e. very few of us delete the old stuff before sending the new. I do almost all the time (the only exception is usually when I am responding as the first replier). Yes, it is aggravating to see all those emails which include all the previous one's in the thread. Even worse, I sometimes just get tired of scrolling and just jump past to the next thread. So I do support the idea of almost always deleting everything when you reply. Stick a short explanation in your response to repeat or paraphrase what you are talking about. Does it take time. Some more but not all that much! For example, to delete everything in the email after you select 'Reply', just hit the <Control> key and the 'a' key at the same time (that selects everything in the email) and then hit the 'delete' key. Poof - everything is gone and you have a clean slate. Unfortunately very few will do it. Many will just dig in their heels and start complaining about the extra work. Oh, well. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri P.S. The Google forums hide the old text in replies unless you specifically hit a key to bring it up.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56609	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Store display layouts

Does anyone know of a source of layout track plans for any of the larger American Flyer store displays or of any factory layouts. I've found one for Lionel's New York layout but nothing for Flyer. Thank you. Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56610	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy

No photographia at York, por favor!!! Roy Inman on 10/17/09 9:31 AM, len_hall at len_hall@... wrote: > > > > > Could someone attending York take some video of the Big Boy and upload it to > YouTube or S-Trains? There are many of us who aren't able to travel to York, > or anywhere else for that matter, who have ordered one and are anxious to see > it, but especially video, to remove all doubts that we will ever get one. It > would be greatly appreciated. > > Len > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56611	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635

Photos are a no-no at York, so they tell me. Roy Inman on 10/17/09 6:57 AM, __A_YAHOO_USER__ at pompeiijazz98@... wrote: > > > > > Can we see some pictures, even if it is on just a loop of track? My first > train was only on a loop. > > JS > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > WJJIM@... wrote: >> > >> > LIONEL has TWO loops of A/F track on their big layout. ALMOST blasphemy, >> > I thought. BIG BOY is a piece of work, seems very nicely done, I only >> > watched it on what must be no more than 20" radius track. >> > Watch THIS space for "Apres York Specials". >> > Jim Lyle >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 10/15/2009 10:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> > WJJIM@... writes: >> > >> > Bob, >> > >> > IF you are visiting York all week, how about stopping by Tables I 4 >> > thru 8 in Orange and say HI. >> > >> > Jim Lyle >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 10/15/2009 9:36:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> > rbubeck327@... writes: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Enjoy thousands of great photos >> > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56612	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Old Memeories

I too have many old Memories.... The Lionel set Santa brought me in 1945 at Christmas.... The war had just ended..... The ONLY LIONEL ON MY DISPLAY SHELVES..... Yes I still have the 302 Passenger set Santa brought in 1948....  It still runs and is complete with hand brushed black on the tender with C & O decals...... Wanted a real train!!!! ..... And my 1950 342 set with diecast flood ..... But what I now think of was that set and the Cattle loader cost around $57.00.... My Dad was a driver for Greyhound then and I doubt if he made much more than that in a week!!!!!!.... Of course the boxes are long gone but I have replaced them with more Original boxes...... But now with over 100 Boxed sets plus another hundred loose sets..... Those are still my Favs!!!!!!!! I often think about looking in the catalog as a kid at the Pennsy set with the log loader, and the Hudson set with the coal loader.... I waited for Christmas for years..... BUT IT NEVER CAME!!!!!!! ( Have both now.... Boxed) Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56613	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Old Memeories

Bob, We all have more now than we did then, funny how it somehow seems still sweeter the memory. Tom In a message dated 10/17/2009 6:02:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: I too have many old Memories.... The Lionel set Santa brought me in 1945 at Christmas...I too have many old Memories.... The Lionel set Santa brought me in 1945 at Christmas...<WBR>. The war had just ended..... The ONLY LIONEL ON It still runs and is complete with hand brushed black on the tender with C & O decals...... Wanted a real train!!!! ..... And my 1950 342 set with diecast flood ..... But what I now think of was that set and the Cattle loader cost around $57.00.... My Dad was a driver for Greyhound then and I doubt if he made much more than that in a week!!!!!!..and the Cattle loader cost around $57.00.... My Dad was a driver for Greyhound then and I doubt if he made much more than that in a week!!!!!!..<WBR>.. Of course the boxes are long gone but I have replaced them with more Original boxes...... But now with over 100 Boxed sets plus another hundred loose sets..... Those are still my Favs!!!!!!!! I often think about looking in the c CAME!!!!!!! ( Have both now.... Boxed) Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56614	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Hi Ron,                     Go to Myflyertrains.org. I believe this site belongs to someone who is in this S Group.  It has D1705 with 1953 Store displays and D1882 with 1956 Store displays.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 10/17/09, ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Store display layouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 5:20 PM   Does anyone know of a source of layout track plans for any of the larger American Flyer store displays or of any factory layouts. I've found one for Lionel's New York layout but nothing for Flyer. Thank you. Ron Plyler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56615	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56616	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!

RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN EVERY DAY!!!!! STILL RAINING IN YORK on Saturday evening. I think RAIN kept people from "circulating" from building to building. Some parts of northern PA had snow Thursday into Friday, State College had rain overnight apparently which washed the snow away. SO, road conditions probably kept some at home also. The Shuttles surely ran, but, many people customarily walk from hall to hall. Certainly are more people with difficulty walking, including myself. VERY FEW children, I thanked parents who brought them when I could. Saw some umbrellas, some soaked members, etc. I NEVER left the Orange Hall except to go to the truck outside the door. My helper unexpectedly had family care issues so I was alone with 5 tables. SALES--Depending entirely on who you talk to, some did well, MANY did not. Saturday I sold enough to replace the gasoline I used to commute two days (25 bucks) . My cross aisle neighbor did $24.00 TODAY. I heard this AM that opening York to the public (DEALER HALLS, Orange, Brown, Purple ONLY) on Saturday would ruin the "tradition" of York. This from a LONG timer, NOT an "official". Couldn't find ANY place to fill the tank with "tradiditon" to get home. AND there was NOT a LOT of tradition, because the halls were devoid of "buyers". . and members in general, today. Never really crowded at any point in time. I did, once again, speak to Debbie Geiser about opening the DEALER Halls to the public on SATURDAY. Not her call, obviously. Debbie & Crew did an excellent job AGAIN, Debbie even helped serve 40th Birthday Cake last night. Eastern Div HAD a quorum for their membership mtg this AM, they also had very good Maple Donuts and coffee in Orange Hall Lobby. I DID mark down about 10 items on the tables, sold ONE. These were items that are normally good sellers until these three days. AS for prices, NO idea, altho train collectors NEVER lower prices, the "flea market theory". IF it didn't sell last spring, raise the price 10%. AS for me, really thinking about how I might participate in the spring. I have to unload & reload for the DeMolay Show at the Reading Scottish Rite Cathedral on Nov 1st, Allentown Fairgrounds (ATMA) on the 14 & 15th and Keystone (Lancaster) on the 21st. Then, hopefully PVMR's layout goes to Dutchway and our little layout to a "Fire Hall Breakfast with Santa" in early Dec. Jim "damp on the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 10/16/2009 10:45:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Hey Guys...... Hows York.... Any good finds..... How are things selling, prices up or down..... Lots of people buying .... Lots of tables..... How did the Bandits do???? Full or sparse???? Miss seeing all.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56617	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Survival of the Fittest

That was a nice story Michael. I came in to the world on June 25 1957 and my brothers had the AF trains that dad had - as you said work so hard for. Years before I was born one of my brothers had passed away to the 1930's Plymouth lack of a child door locks. I ended up with his trains that they had packed away, and later my other brother sold his half for only $5 too. He told dad at the time he didn't care about them any more.  Also My dad gave me his trains that he had in Germany as a little boy. His uncles came over set the train up around the Christmas tree with his dad late at night, and he had with out them seeing him sitting on the top of the stairs looking down on all that was going on had one of the best Christmas ever. Dad was only able to take some of his trains with him to America the rest had to stay behind with other family, and then to be lost for ever in the war as most of Hamburg was burned. Dad was born in 1911 and made his way to America in 1922 his dad was already was here.     When my dad was alive he would come over to see the boys, and I play with the trains in my train room. He would shake his head at how large the AF layout was, and the number of train we had. My other brother come over to look from time to time, and see if I can fine him cars, and such after I return two of his trains to him. I am not the rat he made me out to be as a little brother. :) You and I have almost walked the same talk as they say.  Clayton Milwaukie OR. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56618	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!

We will be using Chuck Harringtons Chat server now. The url is http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ PLEASE NOTE! You will have to re-register at Chuck's chat page but you can do that before chat starts. Also use the Default 2 chat room. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday October 18, 2009 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Next reminder: The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 59 minutes. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright � 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56619	From: Ed	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

First things first. As a moderator I am not going to edit everything that comes up for approval. I edit many posts by removing this type of problem. Some have been 5 or 6 messages long. I think as a whole moderators staff, we do not feel it as our responsibility to do so. Do you have any idea how much more time we would have to expend to this particular task? How many posts are made each month? Remember, we are volunteers. Please help keep our job simple. We also want to play with our trains, not sitting in front of the computer all the time. To get to the problem. It is the individual that is replyings responsibility to clean the message with only a sentence remaining to keep some continuity to the post. All one has to do is scroll down and delete the unnecessary information. If you really have a problem with the sender, send them an offline message stating your concern and remind or explain to them how to do it properly. Their email address is posted in the from line. I have sent some offline messages to posters many times. This also consumes time but it is better sometimes to address the individual offline to help them in the future. I would suggest to all to read the next monthly reminder that is posted each month so that your memory is refreshed to the posted list procedures. Ed Eckert, one of the volunteer moderators From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:14 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Sensible reply button Say, that brings up something I've wondered about. I see this a lot of times on various Yahoo groups and don't know how to do it. (But that's probably a good thing.) Is there some sort of reply button that repeats the previous message with your new post? Is this like forwarding an e-mail without removing all the previous addresses and BCCing the ones you're sending the message along to? (A lot of people still don't know how to do that!) If you've been following a certain thread (sometimes for days), you really don't need the recap of everything that has been said, because you've already read it. I always thought that repeating the same stuff over and over is redundant. How is this done, and why? Stumpy Stone...I know trains WAY better than I know computers...in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56620	From: michael prell	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Survival of the Fittest

Clayton,It is, indeed, a S-mall world! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 10/17/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Survival of the Fittest To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:58 PM    That was a nice story Michael. I came in to the world on June 25 1957 and my brothers had the AF trains that dad had - as you said work so hard for. Years before I was born one of my brothers had passed away to the 1930's Plymouth lack of a child door locks. I ended up with his trains that they had packed away, and later my other brother sold his half for only $5 too. He told dad at the time he didn't care about them any more.  Also My dad gave me his trains that he had in Germany as a little boy. His uncles came over set the train up around the Christmas tree with his dad late at night, and he had with out them seeing him sitting on the top of the stairs looking down on all that was going on had one of the best Christmas ever. Dad was only able to take some of his trains with him to America the rest had to stay behind with other family, and then to be lost for ever in the war as most of Hamburg was burned. Dad was born in 1911 and made his way to America in 1922 his dad was already was here.     When my dad was alive he would come over to see the boys, and I play with the trains in my train room. He would shake his head at how large the AF layout was, and the number of train we had. My other brother come over to look from time to time, and see if I can fine him cars, and such after I return two of his trains to him. I am not the rat he made me out to be as a little brother. :) You and I have almost walked the same talk as they say.  Clayton Milwaukie OR. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56621	From: michael prell	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!

Has any thought ever been given to perhaps moving this to Saturday night?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 10/17/09, carl@... <carl@...> wrote: From: carl@... <carl@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 8:21 PM We will be using Chuck Harringtons Chat server now. The url is http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ PLEASE NOTE!  You will have to re-register at Chuck's chat page but you can do that before chat starts. Also use the Default 2 chat room.   -----Original Message-----   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]   Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:01 PM   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm         Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group         Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT         Date:   Sunday October 18, 2009         Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am         Repeats:   This event repeats every week.         Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 59 minutes.         Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/         Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus         Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email.         Edit reminder options   Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56622	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/17/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Sheila Seccia wrote: > Hi Ron, > Go to Myflyertrains.org. I believe this site belongs > to someone who is in this S Group. It has D1705 with 1953 Store > displays and D1882 with 1956 Store displays. > Tom Seccia That is so cool! Does anyone have a copy of the 1954 store displays catalog? I have a 302 store display that I got for Christmas that year. I'm hoping to drag it out of the attic and put it up for a while for this Christmas. If I do, I'll post photos and maybe a video of it in action. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56623	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Old memories Re: S

For those of you who might wish to a liitle of my "old memories" please check my web sit and tyhe side bar links http://www.trains-4-u.com/ Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56624	From: johntech	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!

Don't go there Michael I have already ask this once and the idea got shot down rather quickly ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael prell" <mlprell@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED! Has any thought ever been given to perhaps moving this to Saturday night?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56625	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

By the way, Ed, Thank you and the other moderators for keeping this from being a CLF as we used to call it in the ARMY. I am on some other lists that are totally incoherent at times, so believe me when I say thank you for a job well done!! Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56626	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

I am replying to Bob Groh's message, which is #3 on my list. All I did was hit the "Reply to Group" listed at the bottom of his post. I use AOL, but doesn't Yahoo show the same on everybody's mail? I think the difference would only be whether one had HTML. or standard group listing in their e mail preferences.??. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56627	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Big Boy

I saw it and was impressed. The tender is just bit too short, but all in all, it is an impressive locomotive. I am sure anyone who is waiting for one will not be disappointed. It would have been nice had they given it some room to stretch out with a long consist trailing it, but it was also neat to see how it looked negotiating "regular" Flyer curve radius. The overhang is not half bad...the O gauge folks have been watching their articulated locos overhang for years...it is about time we get to chuckle at that aspect as well! The tunnel opening was too tight and the loco's cab was scraping it as evidenced by a nice shiny metal spot where the paint had rubbed off and the height was JUST enough! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56628	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

It is really so easy to just start with a clean slate when replying. All that is required are two right clicks of the mouse on the body of text (after you have begun to reply of course). The first is "select all" and the second is "delete". You then type in what you want to say. Easy as that. gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56629	From: Matthew	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: STUCK IN NEUTRAL?

I have two steam engines, an Atlantic and a Hudson, that seem to have the same problem. When I turn on the power, they don't move. The headlight goes on, but they don't start the Forward-Neutral-Reverse-Neutral cycle without literally a lot of prodding. Not even sure what works, but after some tapping and wiggling of the tender, they will start to move and then the cycle works pretty consistently. Any ideas? By the way, I'm waiting for some scenes of Don Draper fixing his son's trains in Mad Men. He must have had them back then. I think he's a Flyer guy, not Lionel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56630	From: The Reardon's	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: STUCK IN NEUTRAL?

Hi Matthew, My first instinct says to clean or replace the E-unit. Doug has a good tutorial (check out Clinic #23 AF Reverse Unit) on his, Portline Hobbies website. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] STUCK IN NEUTRAL? I have two steam engines, an Atlantic and a Hudson, that seem to have the same problem. When I turn on the power, they don't move. The headlight goes on, but they don't start the Forward-Neutral-Reverse-Neutral cycle without literally a lot of prodding. Not even sure what works, but after some tapping and wiggling of the tender, they will start to move and then the cycle works pretty consistently. Any ideas? By the way, I'm waiting for some scenes of Don Draper fixing his son's trains in Mad Men. He must have had them back then. I think he's a Flyer guy, not Lionel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56631	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: PRR prototype colors

I'm in the process of building a S-gauge freight station that has a PRR prototype. The old photo's of it don't show the colors. Do you know what colors the PRR used on their structures in the early years. This station is in Centreville, MD and is in the process of being moved. I can find all kinds of info on rolling stock and engine colors but not much on structures. Thank you Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56632	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!

Dear Bob, I am sorry we missed you this York. We also missed Barb and a few others. I can report that the orange hall business was as usual. More people on Friday than Thursday, and Saturday was very slow. Some new items to see I guess the most anticipated was the K-Line/ Lionel S gauge Big Boy. They had it running at the "L" booth. They have added many new un-announced features. But, they understandably used the same loco and tender injections that was on Maury's O/S offering. Way to small for O and not really S scale. I was hoping "L" would re-tool to make the first no brass S scale articulate, but I guess that was a bit too much to expect. But, I am sure it will be fine for most of the market. I was more hoping to see something on the U33C. I have a pair of these on order and expect this one to have S scale dimensions. I have sent files with our code 110 wheel contours as well as dimensions for the KD802 coupler box. Maybe next York. Other new items we saw were some new S scale signals from NJ International, New AF Loco bodies from Mel for a 4-6-4 tank engine similar to the ones the CNJ used. I talked to Dennis DiBattista about some new people for S scale. He has the Artistta line of S scale people with over a 100 different ones. I suggested a few fireman to go with all the code 3 1/64 fire engines. He has a line of O scale figures. I did get a chance to visit Doug and Cecile Peck, John and Robin Vannacore and Dave Blum (with son Sam) in the unheated purple hall. I am sure that had a big effect on how long people spent there. Gary Clark and Laura (for my semi-annual hug and kiss...from Laura, just a hand shake from Gary) in the Red hall. I did sit a few minutes and talk to Clay and Charlie Buckage in the white hall. While I was talking to Clay, in the next row I saw long time friend Lee McCarty reading the manual for our first generation NYC SW9. I walked over and pulled up a chair with Lee's back to me, sat down and nudged his elbow. Lee looked up as I told him that when someone opens our engine manuals my cell phone goes off and I contact the reader to see if he had additional questions. He seemed entertained by my comment.... Big difference this York for us was that our friends from Weaver moved next to our display. Their latest freight car is a TOFC with the exact same roadnames that we had produced in the past. We had several comments from long time customers about how they stole our idea. Truth is, we supplied them with the artwork and models for them to look over. We have been friends with Joe and Gary for a while now and are more than happy to help anyone in these hard times...even 0 gaugers.... Don On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Robert Conner wrote: > > > Hey Guys...... Hows York.... Any good finds..... How are things > selling, prices up or down..... Lots of people buying .... Lots of > tables..... How did the Bandits do???? Full or sparse???? Miss > seeing all.... Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56633	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Follow up on L-AF Big Boy [S-Trains] Digest Number 4635

Photos? At York? I think you could get shot at dawn.... Don On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:57 AM, __A_YAHOO_USER__ wrote: > Can we see some pictures, even if it is on just a loop of track? My > first train was only on a loop. > > JS > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > > > LIONEL has TWO loops of A/F track on their big layout. ALMOST > blasphemy, > > I thought. BIG BOY is a piece of work, seems very nicely done, I > only > > watched it on what must be no more than 20" radius track. > > Watch THIS space for "Apres York Specials". > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 10:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > WJJIM@... writes: > > > > Bob, > > > > IF you are visiting York all week, how about stopping by Tables I 4 > > thru 8 in Orange and say HI. > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 9:36:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > rbubeck327@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56634	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement

Bob, How heavy are you on the A/F side of things?? I make and sell the WARDIE-JAY TinPlate Ties for A/F track. DO you have A/F readers?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/16/2009 10:23:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobnalbone04@... writes: Advertisers: where are you? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56635	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!

Hello everyone... Just got home from York a couple hours ago. I have made some changes to the chat room to make it easier for people. It is basically the same software that Paul and Carl used, but with some changes so it looks a little different. I have changed the requirement for registration. You can just enter a username and click chat, as with Paul's and Carl's chat rooms. Of course registration is encouraged. Though I originally made this chat room for my wife's sewing activities, the default chat room is now labeled S-TRAINS. Enjoy... Chuck On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:21 PM, <carl@...> <carl@...> wrote: > We will be using Chuck Harringtons Chat server now. > The url is http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > PLEASE NOTE! You will have to re-register at Chuck's chat page but > you can > do that before chat starts. > > Also use the Default 2 chat room. > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:01 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm > > > > > > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > Date: Sunday October 18, 2009 > Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am > Repeats: This event repeats every week. > Next reminder: The next reminder for this event will be > sent in 21 > hours, 59 minutes. > Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 > PM ET > to "lights out" by consensus > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder options > Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of > Service | > Privacy Policy > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56636	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: York notes

LIONEL DID announce at their "seminars" ( I am told), that they WILL produce TWO sets, gauge unknown, in NEW JERSEY next yr as a test. Do NOT know if this is simply a "boxing" operation or more involved. I have NO other information, surely it will follow. Hopefully this is starting a trend in bringing jobs back to this country. Jim Weaver of ATLAS pointed out that ATLAS' Atlantic is actually 1/52 (prox) scale. Check youtube & Traincollectors.org for York Wed presentations. NOTE the vibrant colors on the SHS stock cars. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56637	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: STUCK IN NEUTRAL?

Hi Mathew,                        Try cleaning your track and your tender wheel sets.  If you're having the same problem with both locos, it may be a electrical contact problem.                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Matthew <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] STUCK IN NEUTRAL? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:33 AM   I have two steam engines, an Atlantic and a Hudson, that seem to have the same problem. When I turn on the power, they don't move. The headlight goes on, but they don't start the Forward-Neutral- Reverse-Neutral cycle without literally a lot of prodding. Not even sure what works, but after some tapping and wiggling of the tender, they will start to move and then the cycle works pretty consistently. Any ideas? By the way, I'm waiting for some scenes of Don Draper fixing his son's trains in Mad Men. He must have had them back then. I think he's a Flyer guy, not Lionel. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56638	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!

I can "second" almost everything Don T had to say about York. For us, it was an "average" York.....no worse and no better than most. Thursday morning started slow in Purple Hall, but it always does. But after an hour or so, the flow began, and it was a typical Thursday, til 7 PM. Friday was very busy all day, as usual. And Saturday was deadly.....as usual.....actually, maybe MORE deadly than usual ! As for the "unheated Purple Hall"......true......but Lowe's was only a mile away, and a $20 space heater kept my wife much happier for three days! It was not as unbearable as some would have you think. Frankly, I prefer that to hot humid days in Purple, which also lacks AC ! And most of the S-gaugers who come to York find their way to Purple, once they realize that there are three familiar S-gauge vendors in Purple. Reinforcing what many others have said, that Big Boy is indeed impressive, despite a tender that looks a bit short. The "hot" sellers for us this time included rubber roadbed (now available again); SHS track; Boston & Albany boxcars; Moxie reefers; and various structure kits. All in all......a decent York, other than the weather ! Hope to see many of you in IL at the S-Fest in 3 weeks! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56639	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Sunshine

The sun, a glowing source of light and heat, not seen in Central PA since early afternoon on Wednesday last, is now ( 5 PM Sunday) glowing in the sky over York and environs. Go figure. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56640	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 18, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56641	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!

I have had no luck signing on to this or Carl's sites... Steve SnS In a message dated 10/18/2009 2:24:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, myflyertrains@... writes: Hello everyone... Just got home from York a couple hours ago. I have made some changes to the chat room to make it easier for people. It is basically the same software that Paul and Carl used, but with some changes so it looks a little different. I have changed the requirement for registration. You can just enter a username and click chat, as with Paul's and Carl's chat rooms. Of course registration is encouraged. Though I originally made this chat room for my wife's sewing activities, the default chat room is now labeled S-TRAINS. Enjoy... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56642	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!

Steve, Just enter a username without a password. Click chat and wait. Let me know what happens. Chuck On Oct 18, 2009, at 7:08 PM, boss31@... wrote: > I have had no luck signing on to this or Carl's sites... > > Steve > SnS > > > In a message dated 10/18/2009 2:24:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > myflyertrains@... writes: > > Hello everyone... > > Just got home from York a couple hours ago. I have made some changes > to the chat room to make it easier for people. > > It is basically the same software that Paul and Carl used, but with > some changes so it looks a little different. > > I have changed the requirement for registration. You can just enter a > username and click chat, as with Paul's and Carl's chat rooms. Of > course registration is encouraged. > > Though I originally made this chat room for my wife's sewing > activities, the default chat room is now labeled S-TRAINS. > > Enjoy... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56643	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED!

Steve, Looks like you were in? We saw you there? What did you see? Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/18/2009, 8:00 pm SERVER MOVED! I have had no luck signing on to this or Carl's sites... Steve SnS In a message dated 10/18/2009 2:24:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, myflyertrains@... writes: Hello everyone... Just got home from York a couple hours ago. I have made some changes to the chat room to make it easier for people. It is basically the same software that Paul and Carl used, but with some changes so it looks a little different. I have changed the requirement for registration. You can just enter a username and click chat, as with Paul's and Carl's chat rooms. Of course registration is encouraged. Though I originally made this chat room for my wife's sewing activities, the default chat room is now labeled S-TRAINS. Enjoy... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56644	From: templetonlou	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: lights for layout

I know that using fluorescent lights can change the color over time of a collection. I went to 100w flood lights in the train room for that reason. However 100w R40 floods are not made anymore. To get the light I want I have to use a halogen bulb. Is a halogen light safe for color? Thanks, Lou

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56645	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: 718 AFL Video

Hi All, I've posted a video of my two rare 718 AFL mailcars on Youtube. You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tKF5zNivsQ More videos to come. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56646	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: My Original Set Video

Hi All, I've posted a video of my original set on Youtube. You can see if here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Gigog2wL4 While there you can check out some of my other Flyer videos. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56647	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Layout Room Shelves

Hi All, I've posted a video of my display shelves on Youtube. They are 12' long and spaced at 4 1/2 inches. Now it's time to start work on the layout. You can see the shelve video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7IsWKGFvo Back to the camera! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56648	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/18/2009
Subject: Smokey Mountain Set Video

Hi All, I've posted a video of my rare Smokey Mountain set on Youtube. You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlG8QwgHUU4 More to come. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56649	From: edhavens@cox.net	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: PRR prototype colors

For PRR freight house color photos, see this link to a Midwest NMRA freight house kit: http://midcentral-region-nmra.org/ProjectFold/FreightFold/FreightHouse.html Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz. ---- Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: > I'm in the process of building a S-gauge freight station that has a PRR prototype. The old photo's of it don't show the colors. Do you know what colors the PRR used on their structures in the early years. This station is in Centreville, MD and is in the process of being moved. I can find all kinds of info on rolling stock and engine colors but not much on structures. > > Thank you > > Jim > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56650	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement

Hi, Jim. The magazine has a few AF readers, but it caters to the scale modeler in S. Regards, Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher ________________________________ From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 3:38:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement Bob, How heavy are you on the A/F side of things?? I make and sell the WARDIE-JAY TinPlate Ties for A/F track. DO you have A/F readers?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/16/2009 10:23:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobnalbone04@ yahoo.com writes: Advertisers: where are you? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56651	From: Scott	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

What does acronym CLF stand for? Thanks By the way, Ed, Thank you and the other moderators for keeping this from being a CLF as we used to call it in the ARMY.... Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56652	From: william cole	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Hows York!!!!

those B&A box cars are beauties...picked up one of each number from PortLines on Friday morning..... lots of AF on tables in the few Halls I made it into ..... in the 40 degree range with rain all 3 days..... did see a brass GP-30 and a PRR M-1 along with a few extra coast to coast tenders in the Orange Hall..... am on a plastic budget....unless there is a reasonable priced Omnicon RDC on someone's table.... saw the Lonel Big Boy....loco did look good (I am not a UP guy), and the tender was different......short for sure....when I saw her running she ran smooth (Friday) ...didn't see her run on Saturday......no sign of their U-Boat, unless I really was blind at their booth????? anyway, York was a success...I think I will only go on Saturday from here on out, as getting back to work and putting in a full day plus some overtime is just a bit too much these days..... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56653	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible reply button

I believe it has to do with a Cluster (romantic dalliance - use a synonym for the full impact) Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Sensible reply button What does acronym CLF stand for? Thanks By the way, Ed, Thank you and the other moderators for keeping this from being a CLF as we used to call it in the ARMY.... Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56654	From: barb	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Layout Room Shelves

Hey Bull, Nice job on the shelves. Now you have to build a place to run some of those engines and rolling stock. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56655	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Room Shelves

Nice job on the shelving. They look great. Amazing how quickly they fill up, isn't it! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:03:28 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Room Shelves Hi All, I've posted a video of my display shelves on Youtube. They are 12' long and spaced at 4 1/2 inches. Now it's time to start work on the layout. You can see the shelve video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7IsWKGFvo Back to the camera! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56656	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Sensible Reply Button (Fix for OE)

HI all, I didn't want to get into this, as it usually doesn't seem to change anything, but here goes: For those of you who use Outlook Express (Hmm, probably should have a "Registered trademark" symbol here), Microsoft (R) in their infinite wisdom has the factory setting of copying the old message in a reply. To fix this, just go to the top of the screen, click on "Options" then click on the "Send" tab, and in the drop down box, UNCHECK "Include message in reply." Now you don't even have to think about deleting stuff, you can just reply. Hmm, I'm using XP; maybe other systems are different--I'm no computer geek, so your mileage may vary! S' David D. In rainy Calif! (Finally!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56657	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Room Shelves

Hi David, Shelves looks great and I got your check. I hope the "rare" triple S reproduction track trip will be on your layout soon. Keep the packaging. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Room Shelves Hey Bull, Nice job on the shelves. Now you have to build a place to run some of those engines and rolling stock. Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56658	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?

I have purchased a variety of AF cabooses with the idea of taking one of them and putting link coupler on one end and knuckle coupler on the other - stealing from one to make that happen. 3 of the 5 are 630's with a variety of couplers on them. Lots of ways to make that happen but some of those ways involve removing the plastic body from the chassis. This is where things get sticky - the body is held on to the chassis by little 'pins'. How do I get those 'pins' out? Just wedge up gently on the heads of the pins? I figured I would ask before jumping ahead and just trying it. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56659	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re:

Does any one "know" Bob Morrison ??? (The Doors) BEWARE: email has Mal Ware/pfshing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56660	From: nk07083	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Transformer Question

Hello Group-After having followed the daily postings of the group I have to admit that I am hooked again on Flyer trains-the first set of toy trains that I had as a kid were Flyer which I stupidly sold to purchase you know what!It is amazing the passion you all still hold for Flyer trains and that in part is what convinced me to "come home again"-enough rambling and let me get to my question-I have everything to get up and running even if in a small way for now-except for a transformer-can I use my old Lionel KW transformer for Flyer and is there anything I need to know about hook-up?Been away from toy trains for some time now and might need a refresher course or two from the group-wish me luck and thanks in advance for your help. Ed Barry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56661	From: zemouse2001	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question

Can you use the Lionel KW (or ZW or whatever) with your 'new' AF trains. Yes. And vice versa. Nothing strange about the hookup. Despite being a 2-rail system, the AF engines, etc are AC operated. Bob Groh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "nk07083" <barry339@...> wrote: > > Hello Group-After having followed the daily postings of the group I have to admit that I am hooked again on Flyer trains-the first set of toy trains that I had as a kid were Flyer which I stupidly sold to purchase you know what!It is amazing the passion you all still hold for Flyer trains and that in part is what convinced me to "come home again"-enough rambling and let me get to my question-I have everything to get up and running even if in a small way for now-except for a transformer-can I use my old Lionel KW transformer for Flyer and is there anything I need to know about hook-up?Been away from toy trains for some time now and might need a refresher course or two from the group-wish me luck and thanks in advance for your help. Ed Barry >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56662	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?

I have heard this question before.  and I do not recall who it was said heat them up.  How?  I do not recall.  I have some cabooses where they just lift up.  but your are 630 an early version, mine is 24xxx  but I do have some 630 with lights.  they are packed away right now.  Right now I am playing(?) with other Flyer the pre-war stuff akd 0 & H0. ________________________________ From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 2:39:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] How to take apart AF 630 caboose?   I have purchased a variety of AF cabooses with the idea of taking one of them and putting link coupler on one end and knuckle coupler on the other - stealing from one to make that happen. 3 of the 5 are 630's with a variety of couplers on them. Lots of ways to make that happen but some of those ways involve removing the plastic body from the chassis. This is where things get sticky - the body is held on to the chassis by little 'pins'. How do I get those 'pins' out? Just wedge up gently on the heads of the pins? I figured I would ask before jumping ahead and just trying it. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56663	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?

Heat the head of the pin with a soldering irona nd lift up on the frame. Don't twist the pins as they are splined. To reinstall, just reverse the process.. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 10/19/2009 2:09:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bob.groh@... writes: I have purchased a variety of AF cabooses with the idea of taking one of them and putting link coupler on one end and knuckle coupler on the other - stealing from one to make that happen. 3 of the 5 are 630's with a variety of couplers on them. Lots of ways to make that happen but some of those ways involve removing the plastic body from the chassis. This is where things get sticky - the body is held on to the chassis by little 'pins'. How do I get those 'pins' out? Just wedge up gently on the heads of the pins? I figured I would ask before jumping ahead and just trying it. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56664	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Layout Room Shelves

Hi Barb, missed you at York, how the cat? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: barb <rcespeak@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2009 10:21 am Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Room Shelves Hey Bull, Nice job on the shelves. Now you have to build a place to run some of those engines and rolling stock. Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56665	From: Matthew	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?

The official answer is: "Try heating the knurled pins a bit with the tip of a soldering iron, then pull out with a pair of needle-nose pliers. Don't heat too much to melt the plastic, tho'. You can re-seat them the same way." There was thread on this back in March 2003. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > I have heard this question before.  and I do not recall who it was said heat them up.  How?  I do not recall.  I have some cabooses where they just lift up.  but your are 630 an early version, mine is 24xxx  but I do have some 630 with lights.  they are packed away right now.  Right now I am playing(?) with other Flyer the pre-war stuff akd 0 & H0. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 2:39:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] How to take apart AF 630 caboose? > >   > I have purchased a variety of AF cabooses with the idea of taking one of them and putting link coupler on one end and knuckle coupler on the other - stealing from one to make that happen. 3 of the 5 are 630's with a variety of couplers on them. Lots of ways to make that happen but some of those ways involve removing the plastic body from the chassis. > > This is where things get sticky - the body is held on to the chassis by little 'pins'. How do I get those 'pins' out? Just wedge up gently on the heads of the pins? > > I figured I would ask before jumping ahead and just trying it. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56666	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question

Hi Newbie, well lets get you indoctrinated right away, first of all, AC was Mr. Gilberts initials...not the only type of electricity, there is also DC (stands for dumb copf -eng spelling-), which is purported to have a number of advantages over AC per Mr. Edison (to the consternation of Mr. Tesla). The prime of which is you can use an American Flyer "field wound universal motor" on either AC or DC..DC being quiter and smoother running [and faster] not to mention the joyous possibility of installing rectifiers and toggle switches to reverse direction instead of dem old sticky-E units, and think of the joy "look Ma ...no hands" letting that engine really stretch its "legs" on the high iron, roaring and clattering around the track, lifting the inside wheels off the track, as she whips around curves...tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit- (well that what MY smoke unit sounds like).... and then that wonderful dreamy smell of the scented smoke drifting by your nostrils...and THEN the whistle!!!! boy o boy I got goose bumps just thinking about that...too bad S "Scale" guys can't enjoy that...maybe that's why they...oh wel that's another topic!!! Wisdom of the day is: "never let anyone or anything deter you from having fun, playn wid twains" By the way if you say this in increasing frequency and loudness ...you get the idea! S Gaugingly, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56667	From: Matthew	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: How to take apart AF 630 caboose?

Here's the answer: "Try heating the knurled pins a bit with the tip of a soldering iron, then pull out with a pair of needle-nose pliers. Don't heat too much to melt the plastic, tho'. You can re-seat them the same way." Per Member Tim Brown - there was a thread on this back at the end of March 2003. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > I have heard this question before.  and I do not recall who it was said heat them up.  How?  I do not recall.  I have some cabooses where they just lift up.  but your are 630 an early version, mine is 24xxx  but I do have some 630 with lights.  they are packed away right now.  Right now I am playing(?) with other Flyer the pre-war stuff akd 0 & H0. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 2:39:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] How to take apart AF 630 caboose? > >   > I have purchased a variety of AF cabooses with the idea of taking one of them and putting link coupler on one end and knuckle coupler on the other - stealing from one to make that happen. 3 of the 5 are 630's with a variety of couplers on them. Lots of ways to make that happen but some of those ways involve removing the plastic body from the chassis. > > This is where things get sticky - the body is held on to the chassis by little 'pins'. How do I get those 'pins' out? Just wedge up gently on the heads of the pins? > > I figured I would ask before jumping ahead and just trying it. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56668	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question

Just be sure you do not have one of the few DC engines. ________________________________ From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 5:11:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Transformer Question   Can you use the Lionel KW (or ZW or whatever) with your 'new' AF trains. Yes. And vice versa. Nothing strange about the hookup. Despite being a 2-rail system, the AF engines, etc are AC operated. Bob Groh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "nk07083" <barry339@.. .> wrote: > > Hello Group-After having followed the daily postings of the group I have to admit that I am hooked again on Flyer trains-the first set of toy trains that I had as a kid were Flyer which I stupidly sold to purchase you know what!It is amazing the passion you all still hold for Flyer trains and that in part is what convinced me to "come home again"-enough rambling and let me get to my question-I have everything to get up and running even if in a small way for now-except for a transformer- can I use my old Lionel KW transformer for Flyer and is there anything I need to know about hook-up?Been away from toy trains for some time now and might need a refresher course or two from the group-wish me luck and thanks in advance for your help. Ed Barry > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56669	From: rwferr1	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: My Original Set Video

Hi BG1, I viewed your video of your first American Flyer train set. Very nice. A couple of months ago, our club found a box outside our door that contained a 283 loco. The box also contained most of a trestle set, a 1-1/2 transformer that needs some binding post parts, a figure eight worth of track, an 801 B&O hopper, 805 PRR gondola, 806 caboose, 807 DRGW box, and a 925 Gulf tanker. It appeared to have been a set at one time, but I couldn't find it in any of the online catalogs. The upstairs train site said the box car was made only in 1957 so I'm guessing it dates from about then. Your set looks very similar in composition. I'm afraid what we got was a real fixer upper. But, I'm happy to say, I sent the engine to Barb Rudnicki who got it running and smoking again and I fixed up the cars to running condition. They are scuffed and have paint overspray and are a bit beat up, but have all their parts and run fairly well. I ran the train for 4 hours last Saturday at our monthly club open house and it performed well. Since you have a similar set, I wonder if you might know whether this was indeed sold as a complete over and under figure eight train set in its day. If anyone else can add some information about this train (set), I'd greatly appreciate it. Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've posted a video of my original set on Youtube. You can see if here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Gigog2wL4 > > While there you can check out some of my other Flyer videos. > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56670	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Newbie

Hi Newbie, well lets get you indoctrinated right away, first of all, AC was Mr. Gilberts initials...not the only type of electricity, there is also DC (stands for dumb copf -eng spelling-), which is purported to have a number of advantages over AC per Mr. Edison (to the consternation of Mr. Tesla). The prime of which is you can use an American Flyer "field wound universal motor" on either AC or DC..DC being quiter and smoother running [and faster] not to mention the joyous possibility of installing rectifiers and toggle switches to reverse direction instead of dem old sticky-E units, and think of the joy "look Ma ...no hands" letting that engine really stretch its "legs" on the high iron, roaring and clattering around the track, lifting the inside wheels off the track, as she whips around curves...tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit-tchit- (well that what MY smoke unit sounds like).... and then that wonderful dreamy smell of the scented smoke drifting by your nostrils...and THEN the whistle!!!! boy o boy I got goose bumps just thinking about that...too bad S "Scale" guys can't enjoy that...maybe that's why they...oh wel that's another topic!!! Wisdom of the day is: "never let anyone or anything deter you from having fun, playn wid twains" By the way if you say this in increasing frequency and loudness ...you get the idea! S Gaugingly, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56671	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: My Original Set Video

Try set #9991..... except the 807 should be an 803....... but cars got swapped in the stores..... a car is a car is a car!!!!!!!! also had allthe usual figure 8 set and tranny...... Bob --- On Mon, 10/19/09, rwferr1 <rwferr@...> wrote: From: rwferr1 <rwferr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My Original Set Video To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 7:42 PM   Hi BG1, I viewed your video of your first American Flyer train set. Very nice. A couple of months ago, our club found a box outside our door that contained a 283 loco. The box also contained most of a trestle set, a 1-1/2 transformer that needs some binding post parts, a figure eight worth of track, an 801 B&O hopper, 805 PRR gondola, 806 caboose, 807 DRGW box, and a 925 Gulf tanker. It appeared to have been a set at one time, but I couldn't find it in any of the online catalogs. The upstairs train site said the box car was made only in 1957 so I'm guessing it dates from about then. Your set looks very similar in composition. I'm afraid what we got was a real fixer upper.. But, I'm happy to say, I sent the engine to Barb Rudnicki who got it running and smoking again and I fixed up the cars to running condition. They are scuffed and have paint overspray and are a bit beat up, but have all their parts and run fairly well. I ran the train for 4 hours last Saturday at our monthly club open house and it performed well. Since you have a similar set, I wonder if you might know whether this was indeed sold as a complete over and under figure eight train set in its day. If anyone else can add some information about this train (set), I'd greatly appreciate it. Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "bull_gator_ 1" <bull_gator_ 1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've posted a video of my original set on Youtube. You can see if here: > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=40Gigog2wL4 > > While there you can check out some of my other Flyer videos. > > BG1 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56672	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/19/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question

Hi Ed,                      You can use the KW with American Flyer trains, but the larger Lionel transformers such as the KW has more different voltage posts than Gilbert transformers. For example on a KW Post Combinations A-U 6V-18V, B-U 6V-18V, C-D 12 Volts, D-U 18 Volts.  Connect one wire to U as a Base Post, and connect the other wire to C or D posts to get 12 volts to operate your American Flyer trains.                                                              Tom Seccia    From: nk07083 <barry339@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 5:14 PM   Hello Group-After having followed the daily postings of the group I have to admit that I am hooked again on Flyer trains-the first set of toy trains that I had as a kid were Flyer which I stupidly sold to purchase you know what!It is amazing the passion you all still hold for Flyer trains and that in part is what convinced me to "come home again"-enough rambling and let me get to my question-I have everything to get up and running even if in a small way for now-except for a transformer- can I use my old Lionel KW transformer for Flyer and is there anything I need to know about hook-up?Been away from toy trains for some time now and might need a refresher course or two from the group-wish me luck and thanks in advance for your help. Ed Barry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56673	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Hi Ron,   You can see a track plan of the display layout that came from Sibley's Dept. Store of Rochester, NY here.. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/DepartmentStore   -Clay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56674	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: shelving

Using "Z" shaped aluminum extrusions I've figured out a way to hang shelves from ceilings. Email for images if interested. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56675	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Clay, What is the story behind this layout? Is it the original layout rescued or a re creation? Since the track plan shows 3 rail track is it a modification of an O gauge plan? I am sure the details would be of interest. Dale Smith Clay Buckage wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > You can see a track plan of the display layout that came from Sibley's > Dept. Store of Rochester, NY here.. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/DepartmentStore > <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/DepartmentStore> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56676	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

From: Alan Lambert     Dear Dale,     Upon closer  look at the track plans they are 2 rail plans as evidence when you look at the area of the switch at the bottom near the control pannel. I magnified the picture and it is 2 rail .                                                 Thanks,                                                              Alan Lambert                                                              Lone Star Flyer Club --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Store display layouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:28 PM   Clay, What is the story behind this layout? Is it the original layout rescued or a re creation? Since the track plan shows 3 rail track is it a modification of an O gauge plan? I am sure the details would be of interest. Dale Smith Clay Buckage wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > You can see a track plan of the display layout that came from Sibley's > Dept. Store of Rochester, NY here.. > http://myflyertrain s.org/gallery/ DepartmentStore > <http://myflyertrain s.org/gallery/ DepartmentStore> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56677	From: rwferr1	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: #9991 set

Thanks Bob, I Googled it and came up with an expired listing for a #9991 set listed in the Sears catalog 1958. Sounds like the one, but since the listing was long expired, no reference to it on ebay. Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Try set #9991..... except the 807 should be an 803....... but cars got swapped in the stores..... a car is a car is a car!!!!!!!! also had allthe usual figure 8 set and tranny...... Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56678	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Alan, By golly, you are right! The switches on closer examination are clearly 2 rail and when you blow it up, the upper edge of the roadbed, which looks like a third rail at lower magnification seems to disappear showing two rail clearly. Still interested in the story behind this layout though. Dale Alan Lambert wrote: > > > From: Alan Lambert > Dear Dale, > Upon closer look at the track plans they are 2 rail plans as > evidence when you look at the area of the switch at the bottom near > the control pannel. I magnified the picture and it is 2 rail . > Thanks, > Alan Lambert > Lone Star > Flyer Club > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56679	From: portlines	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

I'll leave it to Clay to tell you the details, but....Yes, that is the REAL AF-postwar store layout which Clay and his dad rescued and restored. Many of us have seen this layot in operation at both York and at the S-Fest. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Alan, > > By golly, you are right! The switches on closer examination are > clearly 2 rail and when you blow it up.........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56680	From: richs009	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

I don't know the story, but here is a link to a video of what appears to be that layout, though the camera angle never changes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KJVCUnuoE4 Here's also a 'video' consisting of a bunch of stills from the same/similar layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEO4Vaq94gk&feature=related I don't know the origin of either... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Alan, > > By golly, you are right! The switches on closer examination are > clearly 2 rail and when you blow it up, the upper edge of the roadbed, > which looks like a third rail at lower magnification seems to disappear > showing two rail clearly. Still interested in the story behind this > layout though. > > Dale > > Alan Lambert wrote: > > > > > > From: Alan Lambert > > Dear Dale, > > Upon closer look at the track plans they are 2 rail plans as > > evidence when you look at the area of the switch at the bottom near > > the control pannel. I magnified the picture and it is 2 rail . > > Thanks, > > Alan Lambert > > Lone Star > > Flyer Club > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56681	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Dale, If you look very closely or enlarge the jpg of the track plan you will see it is 2 rail not three. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Store display layouts Clay, What is the story behind this layout? Is it the original layout rescued or a re creation? Since the track plan shows 3 rail track is it a modification of an O gauge plan? I am sure the details would be of interest. Dale Smith Clay Buckage wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > You can see a track plan of the display layout that came from Sibley's > Dept. Store of Rochester, NY here.. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/DepartmentStore > <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/DepartmentStore> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56682	From: A E Johnson	Date: 10/20/2009
Subject: Layouts

I went out on youtube.com to watch. I found a vid attributed to Art Ferguson. I surely appears that he has a Challenger pulling a string of yellow and orange reefers. With all of the discussion and excitement about the Lionel Big Boy, does anyone know who produced the Challenger? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56683	From: barb	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Layout Room Shelves

Hi Harwood, I missed seeing you and everyone at York. At 19 years my cat is showing all the signs of age. I can't take take him to train shows anymore nor can I leave him in the care of anyone else. But darn, I'm not going to miss anymore train shows if I can help it. For now I go to local shows only. Hope to see you in April.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56684	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Guys..... THE LAYOUT IS AF "S" GUAGE........ I have seen it several times...... Strange point the curves on the left end are continious rails..... Not seperate pieces of track..... Bob --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Store display layouts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 4:59 PM   Alan, By golly, you are right! The switches on closer examination are clearly 2 rail and when you blow it up, the upper edge of the roadbed, which looks like a third rail at lower magnification seems to disappear showing two rail clearly. Still interested in the story behind this layout though. Dale Alan Lambert wrote: > > > From: Alan Lambert > Dear Dale, > Upon closer look at the track plans they are 2 rail plans as > evidence when you look at the area of the switch at the bottom near > the control pannel. I magnified the picture and it is 2 rail . > Thanks, > Alan Lambert > Lone Star > Flyer Club > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56685	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: VHS train tapes for sale

Hi Gang, It's closet & shelf emptying time. I'm offering this lot for the highest offer received via email by this coming Monday (October 26) @ 6PM. If no one buys them then they'll be added to the recycling pickup the next morning. Buyer to pay for shipping via the class he or she will specify. Remittance via PayPal. 1. Pentrex "Alaska" 2. Pentrex "By Daylight To The Fair" 3. "For Train Freaks Only" contains 4 films: TTOS "O" Joe McDokes (So you want to buy a train?) The R.R. Signal Puppets: Algie Caboose Lionel Promo 4. McComas: The New Lionel Showroom Layout and How It Was Built 5. Railfare 1991 Official Video MINT SEALED 6. Bonus: Sussex Air Show 1996 Best, Shiffy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56686	From: Dave	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Warning Signs

Good Morning Folks, Our next offering to the "S" scale community is a varity of warning signs. They will be offered in pairs and will probably cost between $00.75 and $1.25 per pair with, as always, free shipping. Your comments on this offering and requests for which kind of signs you want are acepted and encouraged. Thank you for your time. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56687	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: two more VHS tapes

Pentrex "Sacramento Steam '99" 2 tapes SEALED Sunday River Productions "Under The Heat" PRR series Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56688	From: Dave	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: WARNING SIGNS

Hi All, Well, it didn't take that long to get our first 2 pair of WARNING SIGNS on our web site. I really thought it would take a lot longer. The first one is a "RADIOACTIVE" triangle (size: .582" x .582") in full color on white film at $0.80 per pair. The second pair is a "DANGER" DO NOT UNLOAD WITHOUT FULL PROTECTIVE CLOTHING rectangle ( size: .698"W x .499"H ) in full color on white film at $0.99 per pair. For those interested look near the bottom of the page at the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56689	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Yikes! I didn't realize that my post would generate so much interest and so many questions. Let's see if I can hit all the basses (for Rick) here.    I've posted in word and pdf  a modified version the handout that we use when displaying the layout in the files section of the group. link below    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Store%20Layout/   It tells a little of Gilbert's history and of some of the features of the layout. The layout was built in December of 1950 by the Gilbert Art Department specifically Frank Castiglione and Art Mazurka most likely at the West Haven Plant. It was on display at the Sibley's Department store in Rochester, NY when in 1953 a gentleman (Frank Ligocki) that worked for Eastman purchased the layout and everything on it. Mr. Ligocki was a great steward of the display. Upon his passing the layout was dismantled and shipped to his son who was residing in Florida at the time. His son, unable to care for the layout, expressed a desire to unload it. We became aware of its availability through the train community. The rest they say is history.   The layout was featured in the May 1998 issue of CTT. CTT has also done additional articles on Frank Castiglione although the issue dates escape me at the moment.   The track plan is indeed 2-rail and drawn by Jeff Faust I believe with RR-Track software. I recall Jeff being active in the 70's & 80's. I believe he has moved to N gauge, but still somewhat active in RASG. I know that Jeff did occasionally help Mr. Ligocki with some maintenance. (Maybe Chuck Smith or Ted Larson can chime in here)   Lastly, the items on YouTube, they are of the same layout. The video was taken with my permission at the Open House of our new train shed, although I didn't know it was going to be posted. The montage of stills was done by someone who took MY pictures from other web sites  and created the video from them.   Hope this helps! -Clay Buckage     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56690	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/21/2009
Subject: Fw: 914 Car

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Scale ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: 914 Car Does it matter which 914 car, gray bin or aluminum bin goes with the Hot Shot set of 1956 with the NH 494 and 495 engines? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56691	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Blue-box etc. and Athearn

I am a bit on the gray foggy side of things, and maybe my age is affecting my thinking but: Athearn started of with some incredably wonderful kits that were earlier in yellowish boxes...that is when kits were really kits, wood,stamped and formed metal, die-cast and later plastic parts, great detailed instructions, with exploded views and concise instructions logically writen. Yes you did have to do some finish work with files and fine grade emory paper, paint parts and sand down and repaint, some gluing and in some cases measuring and cutting wood. But oh those beautiful precisely lithographed metal sides, in mostly accurate colors and lettering, and a so-so modeler could put a car together in a few nights, at the kitchen table, a skilled modeler might take a week and add end lettering, under body detail including fine brake riging, valves weathering and, as I did, reposee the sides. (carefully deforming the car pannels in the right places to look "real"; nail holes in the wooden roofwalk which had been split into seperate boards and so on. Those type of car kits were, heavier and looked great traveling down the track. The best part was the great fun turning parts into something that had my blood in it (sometimes literaly), that was something I used my hands, mind,and heart to create...it was a mass produced item...yet it was individualized and personal..so many wonderful hours spent and such (in most cases-except for those dang truck springs launching themselves into the universe) happy and positive persuit. Now you may ask what does this have to do with blue boxes and S, well just read on. Perma Built S kits were like that and guess how I developed the abillities to do some fine kit building. And Athearn was into O scale and I loved building their kits ...and won few awards for my efforts. There were of course many other manufactures that offered everything from bare bones to highly detailed in all scales ...even TT. Some of you may not have been exposed to that "minority" scale. So, back to blue boxes...they cut down on the modeling time, were almost all plastic and could be seen as a "shake the box" kit. Athearn cut cost at every level they could, even the truck springs were elliminated by a little double bump rubber "spring" immitation...euch. That was the beginning of the slide to a non-kit..the tendancy of companies to minimalize the process of getting from raw materials to a finished marketable product. I can't wait for virtual model railroading..we could all run trains on each others layouts, they could be "real time" experiences on a world wide interactive basis. We could "own" any type, size, era of equipment, rolling stock, locomotives and do it on a - theoreticaly- unending layout with complete scenery, hump yards, switch backs ..whatever you could dream up...the nicest part is you do not have to build a single kit, do not have to go down to a musty smelling hobby shop to buy supllies or get advice from a grumpy old fart, and you do not have to be an electrician, carpenter, artist and fine skilled craftsman. Grab ahold of the throttle and ease off the barkes...a couple of toot's and we are rolling..look a green board..it's highball'n time, the chair we are sitting in has a surround sound system, the swaying and slight push back lets us "know" we are puttn'er in run 8. The sounds and increasing vibrations raise our heartbeat and eyes widen as we see the town vanish and the track unwrapping around a bend on the full view surround screen in 3-d...even the smells waft by. Yeh that's where were heading..screw all tha silly track laying, kit building, wiring and endless arguing over scale, hi-rail, and does that car have the correct number, pattern and spacing of rivets....Let's Get Real. LOVE YA ALL, UNCONDITIONALLY ...AND I DO LOVE TRAINS AND RAILROADING, S- Gaugingly Peter Loeb If you care to check out my web site/blog at: http://www.trains-4-u.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56692	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Yikes! I didn't realize that my post would generate so much interest and so many questions. Let's see if I can hit all the basses (for Rick) here. I've posted in word and pdf a modified version the handout that we use when displaying the layout in the files section of the group. link below http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Store%20Layout/ If my memory serves, which it often doesn't, this layout was used for the Boy's Railroad Club series of 15 minute TV flicks aired in November / December of the early 1950's Bob George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56693	From: Dave	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: "WARNING" Decal Photo

We have just posted a photo of our first two new "WARNING" decals. For those of you that are interested in this new offering please follow the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/2017137570/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56694	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Blue-box and Athearn etc.

Pete, you sparked many memories from my early days in model railroading! Yes, I did Athearn, Silver Streak, Ball, Globe, and others that were full of balsa blocks, stamped metal or litho'ed cardstock sides, white metal castings, and so on. It's what I started with as a youngster moving from American Flyer to the more detailed HO. Often, in the middle of struggling through those old kits, I wondered if making the move to HO was really all that smart! Actually, I was relieved when Athrean and others discovered plastic. I could build the kit more easily and spend more effort on detailing and decorating. However, starting out with those old kits as a child taught me things that have paid back many dividends over the years and in many scales. And yes, I remember TT scale, which was sort of put out of action when N scale came along. As to "virtual railroading," I have the Trainz 2009 simulation (I started in with Trainz 2006). Yes, it's kind of neat, but far less satisfying than building models and running trains on a real layout. The types of locos and rolling stock availble is still very limited and not all that realistic to operate. I have found it to be a good time waster and layout planning tool. But it will never replace "playing with trains" for me. Stumpy Stone...old guy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56695	From: Jack	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: TRADE RIVER RAISIN BERKSHIRE FOR AF

Hi, I have a S scale River Raisin Pere Marquette N-1 2-8-4 Berkshire steam engine, in new condition, Road number #1222 for trade. It was produced in 2001 with a production run of 35 models. List price in 2001 was $1849.00. I gave it a test run and it works fine. This was a shelf display piece. I'm interested in trading for American Flyer S gauge trains, no junk. Contact me off line if you are interested. Thanks, Jack Bartman Walden NY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56696	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/22/2009
Subject: Mary Gray

Is Mary Gray of Boyd's on this list? If you are, I think my wife knows you. I think Mary is hosting the BAFCC meeting this month. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56697	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: Maine Trains

While many of you in the train groups where at York, we where doing our annual October trip to Maine to Acadia National Park. We have been doing this since 1987. Sometimes we go in June also. Maine is where I got the train bug real bad, when I stumbled in a hobby shop by accident while getting lost trying to get back to US 1 after we visited the Walker House of George H. Bush in 1991. I told this story before, but quickly, he had a collection of AF he just purchased, and I purchase most of it. Anyway, while looking for Maine Milk bottles on a rainy day in Ellsworth Maine, as collecting milk bottles lead us to the original B&E Junction in New Oxford, PA, where I saw that he had new AF by Lionel and old AF, as I purchased 3 pieces before the train bug really hit. LOL I did find one bottle that was from Machias, Maine, north of Ellsworth, on US 1 and in talking to the shoppe owner, I mentioned that I collect AF trains. He told me about a antique shoppe that had just purchase a collection from someone in the area. So, we headed off to this antique shop, which was in a building behind his house, nicely remodeled, as it was a house from the 1800's that was a carriage house. As we entered, there was the AF nicely displayed, as he had a set on the wall, behind him displayed. The man was from England, as he met a lady from Maine and married her. I was able to pick up a real nice 494/495 NH diesels for 600, as the stickers on the nose are great, no chips, cracks, marks, skirts are not broken and the plastic shell has the factory shine to it. This list for 825 in the last TM book. I got a real nice 983 MP box for 50, no rust anywhere, the underneath metal frame has that new look to it. Stickers are in good shape. Just a small chip on the roof. This list for 145 in E, so I think with the chip I did well, as the door nibs are there. I did not need the 983 but I could not let it go. The last item I got was a 24309 tank car for 16 in VG+. I need this for a set with a 21145 engine as that set takes two of these. I hope to find two in E or better, but for now, this one will do. It looks much better than the ones on Ebay right now. He sold a 336 engine for 225 that was in real good shape. I made the mistake of walking out and then coming back later. LOL The set on the wall for 875 as he will deal is a set with a 336 engine as it was a freight set. I do not know the number. I think he said he had two of these sets. He did also have a single five digit NH engine diesel for 160, 21561 that list for 370 in E! I did not need it. LOL But I should of and then re-sold it. Oh well. What was left was a 343 engine, a 973 milk car with the things that go with it, a five digit State of Maine with a cat walk at the end, slightly shorten for 145, real clean over all, some common cars. This was a local collection from someone in the area. So, I had my own little York in Maine two weeks ago. So, you never know when you run into some trains in the least expected place with great pricing. I am sure the seller of these trains at the shoppe made money too. The original owner is probably happy with what he got for them also. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56698	From: grdobbs	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: Blue-box etc. and Athearn

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56699	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of Great Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. I will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. I am hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56700	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2009
Subject: AFC Building

After 3 weeks of being away, I am back tonight working on the BTS American Flag Co. building. Did some more painting of pieces as tomorrow I hope to get the four walls together. that might be a challenge, as you have to do some filing to make two walls fit, since one wall is at a angle. As for the paint issues, Testor's did send me a UPS tag for anything I want to have tested by them. I have to say, Testor's have been on top of this ever since I contacted them. Again, the paint I am having issues with is the Model Master line, as the Floquil is fine. It seems that Mode Master is a bit thicker for some reason, but with the paint thinner, it is fine now. Mike Marmer, missing those Lobster Rolls I made in Maine the last 3 weeks. LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56701	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Store display layouts

Clay, Thank you for the information on the layout and more important for your efforts in continuing its preservation. Dale Smith Clay Buckage wrote: > > > > > Yikes! > I didn't realize that my post would generate so much interest and so > many questions. > Let's see if I can hit all the basses (for Rick) here. > > I've posted in word and pdf a modified version the handout that we > use when displaying the layout in the files section of the group. link > below > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Store%20Layout/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Store%20Layout/> > > It tells a little of Gilbert's history and of some of the features of > the layout. > The layout was built in December of 1950 by the Gilbert Art Department > specifically Frank Castiglione and Art Mazurka most likely at the West > Haven Plant. > It was on display at the Sibley's Department store in Rochester, NY when > in 1953 a gentleman (Frank Ligocki) that worked for Eastman purchased > the layout and > everything on it. Mr. Ligocki was a great steward of the display. Upon > his passing the layout was dismantled and shipped to his son who was > residing in Florida at the time. > His son, unable to care for the layout, expressed a desire to unload > it. We became aware of its availability through the train community. > The rest they say is history. > > The layout was featured in the May 1998 issue of CTT. CTT has also > done additional articles on Frank Castiglione although the issue dates > escape me at the moment. > > The track plan is indeed 2-rail and drawn by Jeff Faust I believe with > RR-Track software. > I recall Jeff being active in the 70's & 80's. I believe he has moved > to N gauge, but still somewhat active in RASG. I know that Jeff did > occasionally help Mr. Ligocki with some maintenance. (Maybe Chuck > Smith or Ted Larson can chime in here) > > Lastly, the items on YouTube, they are of the same layout. > The video was taken with my permission at the Open House of our new > train shed, although I didn't know it was going to be posted. > The montage of stills was done by someone who took MY pictures from > other web sites > and created the video from them. > > Hope this helps! > -Clay Buckage > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56702	From: johntech	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Hi Earl I have stripped a 370 diesel in break fluid without any problems. All that silver paint came off revealing a nice white shell. I put a plastic bag inside of a box to use as a "washing" tub. I put the shell in it and used an acid brush to work the fluid into the nooks and crannies on the shell. I think it took about 20 minutes of soaking and brushing to get all the paint off the shell. ***NOTE*** I did test a small spot on the inside of the shell BEFORE I emursed the entire shell into the fluid to make sure it didn't do anything to the plastic. Make sure you use rubber gloves when doing this as it is messy. I used the empty bottle to put the used fluid in so I could recycle it. After a bath in grease cutting dish soap and warm water I and let it dry completely for a day or two and now is ready to be painted. John Frankforther Subject: [S-Trains] Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations >I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. > These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of > Great > Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top > just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. > I > will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. > I am > hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56703	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Earl,      We use denatured alcohol on a daily basis to strip our plastic rolling stock. Be careful though, sometimes it will soften thin plastics such as the AF #925 tank car. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenteprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... --- On Fri, 10/23/09, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 7:00 PM   I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of Great Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. I will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. I am hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56704	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Thanks for this recommendation. - Earl Henry In a message dated 10/24/2009 6:05:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, beebear@... writes: Hi Earl I have stripped a 370 diesel in break fluid without any problems. All that silver paint came off revealing a nice white shell. I put a plastic bag inside of a box to use as a "washing" tub. I put the shell in it and used an acid brush to work the fluid into the nooks and crannies on the shell. I think it took about 20 minutes of soaking and brushing to get all the paint off the shell. ***NOTE*** I did test a small spot on the inside of the shell BEFORE I emursed the entire shell into the fluid to make sure it didn't do anything to the plastic. Make sure you use rubber gloves when doing this as it is messy. I used the empty bottle to put the used fluid in so I could recycle it. After a bath in grease cutting dish soap and warm water I and let it dry completely for a day or two and now is ready to be painted. John Frankforther Subject: [S-Trains] Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations >I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. > These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of > Great > Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top > just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. > I > will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. > I am > hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56705	From: race944t	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: 770 vs 775 vs K775

I'm confused. Without the car or the button, how do you tell the difference between a green base 770, 775 or K775? Since cars and buttons can be easily moved from piece to piece, it would seem easy to say a common green base 770 is a less common 775. I know there is a Pat. # on the bottom of some of them. Is that a way to distinguish the differences? Also, if you happen to have a black base version, how do you determine if it is a 775 or K775 without the car? Am I correct in that they didn't make a black base 770? So many questions, sorry! "Banker" Bill Clark confused in SW Va. with too many loading platforms.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56706	From: Jerry	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Hi Earl, I remember going to American Models a couple of years ago to pick something up since I only live 30 minutes away. Joe, the shop foreman, was stripping a whole trash can full of shells and was using full strength launder detergent. He said it took a while, but was the best thing to use in the long run. Take it for what it's worth. As a side note, I have used both brake fluid and Scalecoat stripper on such projects and have had no problems with brake fluid. But still be careful and test if first on an inconspicuous portion of the shell, perhaps on the inside first. With so many plastics out there, the can all react differently. And who knows exactly what kind are used in China. It may be labeled as ABS or such, but their composition could be slightly different that ours. With the Scalecoat stripper, you can re-use it for quite a while. When its reaction slows down, I add abit of denatured alcohol to boost it again. Eventually, it breaks down completely, though. Have fun! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree Dearborn, Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. > These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of Great > Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top > just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. I > will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. I am > hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56707	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Taking a tip from my car modeling friends I have used an automotive degreaser called Super Clean. It can be found in most auto parts stores or at Wally world. Just dunk the part you want stripped for a few hours then use a toothbrush on stubborn areas. Works great and has not attacked any plastic I've used it on from model cars to old Flyer. :   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56708	From: Joe	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Info needed

Group Members I need your help in locating the following clubs in order to send information for the 2011 NASG convention If you have contact information please send it to me off list. At h2oman@... I will also forward the correct contact information to the NASG Dispatch to correct their club list. I will need a contact person, address, city, State and zip code for the following San Diego Sn3 Fellowship Durango Sn3 Fellowship State line S Gaugers possibly Dave Oberholtzer? Hossier S Gaugers possibly Charles Malinowski Blue Ridge S Scalers possibly Jim Schall Austin Texas Area possibly Tom Potthast Also Do the Delaware State S Gaugers still exist, they are not listed in the 07-08 directory. Thank you for your help. Joe Visintine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56709	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Observations at an S Auction

Hello Everyone: With my work schedule I've never attended York even though I live in Southeast PA (Go Phillies). I did go to an S/Flyer auction at Maurer's in Spring City PA today. I've been there before. This is the first time there was more S, i.e. S-Helper, American Models, Downs, Pacific Rail and older kits, than Classic American Flyer. I'm not going to comment on prices, I'm primarily a "junque" buyer (Shout out to Stumpy in WV) In my buys today were of course, Cabeese. In that lot were a couple of flyer ones kitbashed. One was made into an offset cupola caboose and done well. The other was an extended vision one. Also done well. I've come across other kitbashed Flyer that I've bought. I'm always impressed with the workmanship. It's not on the par with S-Helper et al, but does have a respected place in my collection. I left before noon. If anyone else in this group was there I have just one question, absent bidder 515 who was buying up the place, is that the boys from Cynthiana KY? Please no responses on likes or dislikes for MW. I buy from them on occasion, and have stopped by there to pick up a lot when I was doing work in Cynthiana. They treat me well as does the S-helper crew and Doug Peck. It's just inquiring minds want to know. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56710	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Hi Earl,                     I've read some the replies to paint stripping.  While these seem to be tried and tested, I should tell you that there was a paint stripper on the market that would be more secure in use.  The product is called Chameleon. This product is noncaustic, water soluble and biochemically degradable. Works in about 15 minutes and can be reused.  Sold by Walters. Prices in 2004 Catalog. Walters #359-1 16 Oz $11.99, #359-2 32 Oz $17.99, and 359-1000 8 oz $6.99.    This product is made for plastic and metals.                                                                Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 10/24/09, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 8:26 AM   Thanks for this recommendation. - Earl Henry In a message dated 10/24/2009 6:05:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, beebear@bex. net writes: Hi Earl I have stripped a 370 diesel in break fluid without any problems. All that silver paint came off revealing a nice white shell. I put a plastic bag inside of a box to use as a "washing" tub. I put the shell in it and used an acid brush to work the fluid into the nooks and crannies on the shell. I think it took about 20 minutes of soaking and brushing to get all the paint off the shell. ***NOTE*** I did test a small spot on the inside of the shell BEFORE I emursed the entire shell into the fluid to make sure it didn't do anything to the plastic. Make sure you use rubber gloves when doing this as it is messy. I used the empty bottle to put the used fluid in so I could recycle it. After a bath in grease cutting dish soap and warm water I and let it dry completely for a day or two and now is ready to be painted. John Frankforther Subject: [S-Trains] Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations >I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. > These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of > Great > Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top > just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. > I > will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. > I am > hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56711	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775

In addition to my previous email;    770 is the correct number for the Loading Platform. K775 is the correct number for the 770 Loading Platform and the 974 Operating Boxcar.  I believe the buttons are different. I don't have one to look at, but I think the K775 button reads "775 Loading Platform".  Another note, the earlier 770 may have come with square base milk cans XA11520 rather than merchadise cubes.                                               Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 10/24/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 770 vs 775 vs K775 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 11:01 AM   I'm confused. Without the car or the button, how do you tell the difference between a green base 770, 775 or K775? Since cars and buttons can be easily moved from piece to piece, it would seem easy to say a common green base 770 is a less common 775. I know there is a Pat. # on the bottom of some of them. Is that a way to distinguish the differences? Also, if you happen to have a black base version, how do you determine if it is a 775 or K775 without the car? Am I correct in that they didn't make a black base 770? So many questions, sorry! "Banker" Bill Clark confused in SW Va. with too many loading platforms. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56712	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775

Hi,                The 770 Loading Platform was new in 1950.  While pictured with a 732 Operating Baggage Car, the car was not included with the platform.  In 1953, the first full year of knuckle coupler productions, the K775 was new and the loading platform was combined with a 974 Operating Box Car.  This was the same in 1954 and 1955.  The Loading Platform was never listed as 775.   1955 was the last year for this accessory.   From 1950 to 1952 the 770 was sold separately and most likely with a green base.  I believe the black base which is rare most likely came in the K775 set.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 10/24/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 770 vs 775 vs K775 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 11:01 AM   I'm confused. Without the car or the button, how do you tell the difference between a green base 770, 775 or K775? Since cars and buttons can be easily moved from piece to piece, it would seem easy to say a common green base 770 is a less common 775. I know there is a Pat. # on the bottom of some of them. Is that a way to distinguish the differences? Also, if you happen to have a black base version, how do you determine if it is a 775 or K775 without the car? Am I correct in that they didn't make a black base 770? So many questions, sorry! "Banker" Bill Clark confused in SW Va. with too many loading platforms. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56713	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/25/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56714	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: railroad Bridge Walkway

http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/178/details.aspx Someone on the S Scale list pointed out that this bridge, Railroad bridge over the Hudson is open for walkers. It is in Fishkill, NY. I will have to check this out next September 2010 on the way to Maine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56715	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775

My 770 (obtained as a kid) came with four milk cans and four crates, and a green base. Can't find the button at the moment.   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 770 vs 775 vs K775 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 3:07 PM   In addition to my previous email;    770 is the correct number for the Loading Platform. K775 is the correct number for the 770 Loading Platform and the 974 Operating Boxcar.  I believe the buttons are different. I don't have one to look at, but I think the K775 button reads "775 Loading Platform".  Another note, the earlier 770 may have come with square base milk cans XA11520 rather than merchadise cubes.                                               Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 10/24/09, race944t <race944t@sitestar. net> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@sitestar. net> Subject: [S-Trains] 770 vs 775 vs K775 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 11:01 AM   I'm confused. Without the car or the button, how do you tell the difference between a green base 770, 775 or K775? Since cars and buttons can be easily moved from piece to piece, it would seem easy to say a common green base 770 is a less common 775. I know there is a Pat. # on the bottom of some of them. Is that a way to distinguish the differences? Also, if you happen to have a black base version, how do you determine if it is a 775 or K775 without the car? Am I correct in that they didn't make a black base 770? So many questions, sorry! "Banker" Bill Clark confused in SW Va. with too many loading platforms. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56716	From: portlines	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

We carry Chameleon Paint Stripper too, but one caution---- there are two versions of it. The clear Chameleon liquid should NOT be used on pre-1955 plastics (they indicate this on their own label). I generally recommend folks go with the blue Chameleon gel, which is safe on "all" plastics. I've heard no negative feedback from the use of the blue gel. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Earl, >                     I've read some the replies to paint stripping.  While these seem to be tried and tested, I should tell you that there was a paint stripper on the market that would be more secure in use.  The product is called Chameleon. This product is noncaustic, water soluble and biochemically degradable. Works in about 15 minutes and can be reused.  Sold by Walters. Prices in 2004 Catalog. Walters #359-1 16 Oz $11.99, #359-2 32 Oz $17.99, and 359-1000 8 oz $6.99.    This product is made for plastic and metals. >                                                                Tom Seccia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56717	From: william cole	Date: 10/24/2009
Subject: Re: Observations at an S Auction

was gonna go also, but am recovering from the flu....more than likely it was the KY crew....I see stuff from Mauer there all the time...comes in handy when one doesn't want to buy a set of passenger cars, but a piece or 2 from a set..... can't wait to see the prices realied...any Gulf Tank cars from DesPlains? it was one bg lot of AM and SHS stuff...were any of the locos DC scale? or was everything hi-rail? Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 10/24/09, romoyer@... <romoyer@...> wrote: From: romoyer@... <romoyer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Observations at an S Auction To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 4:51 PM   Hello Everyone: With my work schedule I've never attended York even though I live in Southeast PA (Go Phillies). I did go to an S/Flyer auction at Maurer's in Spring City PA today. I've been there before. This is the first time there was more S, i.e. S-Helper, American Models, Downs, Pacific Rail and older kits, than Classic American Flyer. I'm not going to comment on prices, I'm primarily a "junque" buyer (Shout out to Stumpy in WV) In my buys today were of course, Cabeese. In that lot were a couple of flyer ones kitbashed. One was made into an offset cupola caboose and done well. The other was an extended vision one. Also done well. I've come across other kitbashed Flyer that I've bought. I'm always impressed with the workmanship. It's not on the par with S-Helper et al, but does have a respected place in my collection. I left before noon. If anyone else in this group was there I have just one question, absent bidder 515 who was buying up the place, is that the boys from Cynthiana KY? Please no responses on likes or dislikes for MW. I buy from them on occasion, and have stopped by there to pick up a lot when I was doing work in Cynthiana. They treat me well as does the S-helper crew and Doug Peck. It's just inquiring minds want to know. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56718	From: Tom Crowley	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: railroad Bridge Walkway

The bridge connects Poughkeepsie and Highlands, NY and is above Fishkill. I remember when this was the most Southern route across the Hudson. Bridge caught on fire 30 years ago or so. Was then closed to railway traffic. Cheers, Tom Crowley No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:02 PM To: S trains; Toy Trains; steve Conard Subject: [S-Trains] railroad Bridge Walkway http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/178/details.aspx Someone on the S Scale list pointed out that this bridge, Railroad bridge over the Hudson is open for walkers. It is in Fishkill, NY. I will have to check this out next September 2010 on the way to Maine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56719	From: race944t	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775

OK, so here is what I've learned so far: 770 green base 775 green base or black base K775 green base or black base 770 with button that says "770 Platform" 775 with button that says "Loading Platform" K775 with button that says "Loading Platform" 770 came with 4 boxes or 4 milk cans on square bases 775 came with 4 boxes or 4 milk cans on square bases K775 came with 4 boxes or 4 milk cans on square bases 770 didn't come with a car 775 came with a 734 and Link Couplers K775 came with a 974 and Knuckle Couplers 770 produced 1950 through 1952 775 produced 1953 through 1954 K775 produced 1954 through 1955 So, if I happen to have a green platform without any accessories (button, car, boxes, milkcans, etc.) it seems it could be a 770, 775, or K775. If I happen to have a black base platform it will either be a 775 or K775. (You will note the value of a 775 is greater than a 770 as listed in most books) Anyone else know of an identifying feature on the platform itself to determine which one it is? "Banker" Bill, still frustrated with too many unidentified platforms in SW Va. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > In addition to my previous email;    770 is the correct number for the Loading Platform. K775 is the correct number for the 770 Loading Platform and the 974 Operating Boxcar.  I believe the buttons are different. I don't have one to look at, but I think the K775 button reads "775 Loading Platform".  Another note, the earlier 770 may have come with square base milk cans XA11520 rather than merchadise cubes. >                                               Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 10/24/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: > > From: race944t <race944t@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 770 vs 775 vs K775 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 11:01 AM > > I'm confused. Without the car or the button, how do you tell the difference between a green base 770, 775 or K775? Since cars and buttons can be easily moved from piece to piece, it would seem easy to say a common green base 770 is a less common 775. I know there is a Pat. # on the bottom of some of them. Is that a way to distinguish the differences? > > Also, if you happen to have a black base version, how do you determine if it is a 775 or K775 without the car? Am I correct in that they didn't make a black base 770? > > So many questions, sorry! > > "Banker" Bill Clark confused in SW Va. with too many loading platforms. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56720	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775

The Loading Platform was never sold separately as a 775.  K775 is a combination of the Loading Platform and the Action Car with knuckle couplers. The Loading Platform alone is a 770.   The button with the 775 set reads different than the 770.  If you have a 1953, 1954 or 1955 catalog you will see how the item was listed.  The K775 set should always have PA11180 Merchandise Cubes.  The 732 was discontinued after 1953. Both the 734 Action Box Car and the 732 were new in 1950.  The 1950 catalog shows milk cans and merchandise cubes with the 734 and the 732 shows cubes only. Both cars most likely had both milk cans and cubes.  These cars were used with the 770 Platform. That button would read Loading Platform.   If you don't have a K775 box or a button that reads "775 Loading Platform", it would be very difficult to tell the difference.                                         Tom Seccia                           --- On Sun, 10/25/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 770 vs 775 vs K775 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 9:31 AM   OK, so here is what I've learned so far: 770 green base 775 green base or black base K775 green base or black base 770 with button that says "770 Platform" 775 with button that says "Loading Platform" K775 with button that says "Loading Platform" 770 came with 4 boxes or 4 milk cans on square bases 775 came with 4 boxes or 4 milk cans on square bases K775 came with 4 boxes or 4 milk cans on square bases 770 didn't come with a car 775 came with a 734 and Link Couplers K775 came with a 974 and Knuckle Couplers 770 produced 1950 through 1952 775 produced 1953 through 1954 K775 produced 1954 through 1955 So, if I happen to have a green platform without any accessories (button, car, boxes, milkcans, etc.) it seems it could be a 770, 775, or K775. If I happen to have a black base platform it will either be a 775 or K775. (You will note the value of a 775 is greater than a 770 as listed in most books) Anyone else know of an identifying feature on the platform itself to determine which one it is? "Banker" Bill, still frustrated with too many unidentified platforms in SW Va. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > In addition to my previous email; 770 is the correct number for the Loading Platform. K775 is the correct number for the 770 Loading Platform and the 974 Operating Boxcar. I believe the buttons are different. I don't have one to look at, but I think the K775 button reads "775 Loading Platform". Another note, the earlier 770 may have come with square base milk cans XA11520 rather than merchadise cubes. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 10/24/09, race944t <race944t@.. .> wrote: > > From: race944t <race944t@.. .> > Subject: [S-Trains] 770 vs 775 vs K775 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 11:01 AM > > I'm confused. Without the car or the button, how do you tell the difference between a green base 770, 775 or K775? Since cars and buttons can be easily moved from piece to piece, it would seem easy to say a common green base 770 is a less common 775. I know there is a Pat. # on the bottom of some of them. Is that a way to distinguish the differences? > > Also, if you happen to have a black base version, how do you determine if it is a 775 or K775 without the car? Am I correct in that they didn't make a black base 770? > > So many questions, sorry! > > "Banker" Bill Clark confused in SW Va. with too many loading platforms. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56721	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Thanks. Chris Burger wrote a note saying that he has had success with no problems putting plastic shells in the dishwasher a couple of cycles using Cascade detergent. This sounds consistent with what you witnessed at American Models. - Earl Henry, Jr. ============================================ In a message dated 10/24/2009 11:40:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, poniaj@... writes: Hi Earl, I remember going to American Models a couple of years ago to pick something up since I only live 30 minutes away. Joe, the shop foreman, was stripping a whole trash can full of shells and was using full strength launder detergent. He said it took a while, but was the best thing to use in the long run. Take it for what it's worth. As a side note, I have used both brake fluid and Scalecoat stripper on such projects and have had no problems with brake fluid. But still be careful and test if first on an inconspicuous portion of the shell, perhaps on the inside first. With so many plastics out there, the can all react differently. And who knows exactly what kind are used in China. It may be labeled as ABS or such, but their composition could be slightly different that ours. With the Scalecoat stripper, you can re-use it for quite a while. When its reaction slows down, I add abit of denatured alcohol to boost it again. Eventually, it breaks down completely, though. Have fun! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree Dearborn, Michigan --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , tennsgauge@., ten > > I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. > These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of Great > Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top > just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. I > will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. I am > hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56722	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations

Tom, great to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Thanks for the tip - Earl In a message dated 10/24/2009 4:58:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Earl, I've read some the replies to paint stripping. While these seem to be tried and tested, I should tell you that there was a paint stripper on the market that would be more secure in use. The product is called Chameleon. This product is noncaustic, water soluble and biochemically degradable. Works in about 15 minutes and can be reused. Sold by Walters. Prices in 2004 Catalog. Walters #359-1 16 Oz $11.99, #359-2 32 Oz $17.99, and 359-1000 8 oz $6.99. This product is made for plastic and metals. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 10/24/09, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 8:26 AM Thanks for this recommendation. - Earl Henry In a message dated 10/24/2009 6:05:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, beebear@bex. net writes: Hi Earl I have stripped a 370 diesel in break fluid without any problems. All that silver paint came off revealing a nice white shell. I put a plastic bag inside of a box to use as a "washing" tub. I put the shell in it and used an acid brush to work the fluid into the nooks and crannies on the shell. I think it took about 20 minutes of soaking and brushing to get all the paint off the shell. ***NOTE*** I did test a small spot on the inside of the shell BEFORE I emursed the entire shell into the fluid to make sure it didn't do anything to the plastic. Make sure you use rubber gloves when doing this as it is messy. I used the empty bottle to put the used fluid in so I could recycle it. After a bath in grease cutting dish soap and warm water I and let it dry completely for a day or two and now is ready to be painted. John Frankforther Subject: [S-Trains] Stripping paint from AM FAs - Recommendations >I am getting ready to strip an FA-FB-FA set of American Models locos. > These are Canadian Pacific. Many years ago I stripped a similar set of > Great > Northern locos and the plastic was damaged on all three units on the top > just behind the cab part. I do not want that to happen on these units. > I > will do them one and see how it does before I proceed to the other two. > I am > hoping I can get some recommendations on how to proceed. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56723	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer

Was therre a contest for a beer refer? How about:  Fox head '400' Meister Brau Canadian Ace Brau Meister Blatz Drewrey's Hamm's Peter Hand Reserve ________________________________ From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 7:01:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer   Well, we have had over 100 requests for a MOOSE HEAD BEER refrigerator car, so that will be the next one up. The decals should be at our web site by 10-14-2009 and the photo of the actual car slightly before that here at our photo album. A GREAT BIG THANK YOU to all of the BILLBOARD REEFER FANS. Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@lbrenterprises llc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56724	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/25/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56725	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Easy Way To Enter Chat Room Tonight

Hi all, No need to worry about the link. Just go to MyFlyerTrains.org and on the upper menu center, Click Chat! See you there! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56726	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: S-Helper Western Pacific Diesel

Have ONE SHS- Western Pacific SW-1 switcher, cab # 503, NIB, 169.95 + 13.95 Priority Mail. Pa residents add 6% Sales Tx. Prefer Postal Money order, will ship on receipt. Thank You, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56727	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: chameleon paint remover

Here is the web site for chameleonproductsonline.com and modeltrainstuff.com is a good source. I destroyed a couple of valuable Lionel shells with brake fluid. Looked good till I removed them as they became soft like rubber. I never had much luck with strong Tide mixture as it depends on the paint itself. Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56728	From: Ben	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Directronic reverse

Hi all: I bought a 1939 AF 3/16 O gauge Northern locomotive and die cast freight car set from a respected collector at York. I am not a fan of the DC...directronic reverse unit!! The train will run for a short period of time, then as if it hits a dead spot on the track...it shifts to neutral. It does run better in reverse, but will not even really complete a full oval on my small Christmas layout with continuous Gargraves track and no switches! Is there any way to lock the thing in forward? Get the unit working more reliably? Anyone want to trade a 1940 806 Northern for this 1939 unit? I want to operate it, not just look at it on a shelf. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56729	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/25/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse

Sure you are not trying to run the whole thing on DC? It is supposed to run on AC with only the DC overlaid when you wish to change direction. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Directronic reverse Hi all: I bought a 1939 AF 3/16 O gauge Northern locomotive and die cast freight car set from a respected collector at York. I am not a fan of the DC...directronic reverse unit!! The train will run for a short period of time, then as if it hits a dead spot on the track...it shifts to neutral. It does run better in reverse, but will not even really complete a full oval on my small Christmas layout with continuous Gargraves track and no switches! Is there any way to lock the thing in forward? Get the unit working more reliably? Anyone want to trade a 1940 806 Northern for this 1939 unit? I want to operate it, not just look at it on a shelf. Thanks! Ben E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13550 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56730	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse

Ben you could put the OEM old type back in.... --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Directronic reverse To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 4:40 PM   Hi all: I bought a 1939 AF 3/16 O gauge Northern locomotive and die cast freight car set from a respected collector at York. I am not a fan of the DC...directronic reverse unit!! The train will run for a short period of time, then as if it hits a dead spot on the track...it shifts to neutral. It does run better in reverse, but will not even really complete a full oval on my small Christmas layout with continuous Gargraves track and no switches! Is there any way to lock the thing in forward? Get the unit working more reliably? Anyone want to trade a 1940 806 Northern for this 1939 unit? I want to operate it, not just look at it on a shelf. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56731	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse

Don't think it has the slot in the boiler.   Bill Drake --- On Mon, 10/26/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Directronic reverse To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 7:44 AM   Ben you could put the OEM old type back in.... --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Ben <lbstiles@verizon. net> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@verizon. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Directronic reverse To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 4:40 PM   Hi all: I bought a 1939 AF 3/16 O gauge Northern locomotive and die cast freight car set from a respected collector at York. I am not a fan of the DC...directronic reverse unit!! The train will run for a short period of time, then as if it hits a dead spot on the track...it shifts to neutral. It does run better in reverse, but will not even really complete a full oval on my small Christmas layout with continuous Gargraves track and no switches! Is there any way to lock the thing in forward? Get the unit working more reliably? Anyone want to trade a 1940 806 Northern for this 1939 unit? I want to operate it, not just look at it on a shelf. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56732	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: AF piant stripping

Several years ago i used brake fluid on an older New Haven style coach and it softened badly, not really 'melted' but not good at all....dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56733	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse

- GreetingS - Ben wrote: I am not a fan of the DC...directronic reverse unit!! The train will run for a short period of time, then as if it hits a dead spot on the track...it shifts to neutral. It does run better in reverse, but will not even really complete a full oval on my small Christmas layout with continuous Gargraves track and no switches! Is there any way to lock the thing in forward? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quickly to the question: yes, it can be locked in forward. First, make certain that no one has changed the wiring and has removed the directronic DC sensing relay from the circuit of the reversing relay controller. That is, wired the reversing relay solenoid directly between the third-rail pickup and the locomotive chassis. Such a change would produce ordinary sequence reversity. The sensing relay is ordinarily well-behaved and nothing about the Gargraves track or the loco generates DC sufficient to close that relay. Otherwise, fold sturdy cardboard such as a piece of business card so that it keeps the contacts on the sensing relay open and will not slip out of place even if the relay tries to close. Then the reversing solenoid will not be powered. Then power the loco and kick the reverser manually with a small screwdriver until forward operation is achieved. Since push button controllers may not be the easiest items to find, I use a momentary switch which puts 1.5 V DC from two paralleled D-cells in the yellow wire path from the transformer when I want whistle/horn or bell sounds from the AM GG-1 or the EP-5 (?). That small offset, 1.5 V, is all that is required to get the job done. Hope this helps. CheerS. Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56734	From: Dave	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: $10.00 Off Coupon

We are now offering everyone that uses water slide DECALS $10.00 off of their purchase of $50.00 or more "opportunity" at our web site. Thank you. Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (leave message) (502) 292-1872 dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56735	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer

National Boh (made on the shores of the Chesapeake). With singing Clams and Pelicans in the early ads on TV in the 1950's and 60's. One of my earliest memory of TV. LOL I think Youtube has some of those Ads. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer Was therre a contest for a beer refer? How about: Fox head '400' Meister Brau Canadian Ace Brau Meister Blatz Drewrey's Hamm's Peter Hand Reserve ________________________________ From: David <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 7:01:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] #7621 MOOSE HEAD BEER Reefer Well, we have had over 100 requests for a MOOSE HEAD BEER refrigerator car, so that will be the next one up. The decals should be at our web site by 10-14-2009 and the photo of the actual car slightly before that here at our photo album. A GREAT BIG THANK YOU to all of the BILLBOARD REEFER FANS. Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@lbrenterprises llc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56736	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: 375 T & P GP-7

Was the 375 ever sold alone or did it only come in the 374-375 set. Either way, does it have a horn or was the horn in the 374. Thanks Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56737	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56738	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: GAME OVER

It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, 2009. Having always priced their stock at 10% below retail, they are having a storewide sale with an additional 20% off everything. In many cases, this is their cost or below! Everything has to be sold, including the shelves! This includes a quickly declining stock of Flyonel, S Helper, and American Models, plus what remaining old Flyer they have. (Due to the uncertain nature of the Flyonel Big Boy shipping date, contact the store for updates.) They also carry Lionel, MTH, Weaver, and Atlas O gauge, plus all HO manufacturers. (N, and G scales are already sold out.) Store hours are 10 AM to 5 PM Mondays, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and 10 AM to 4 PM Saturdays. Closed Sunday and Tuesday. Phone:740/633-6055 or e-mail them at: gmtrainshobby@... They do mail orders daily, being a UPS shipping station. I have known Gary and Mike since 1985 and worked part time for much of the twenty two years they ran the shop. I can tell you that this was no "spur of the moment" decision. They have agonized for nearly a year over this and are pretty depressed about it. Unfortunately, they would have to run too much additional debt to continue, so it's Game Over for G&M. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56739	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: 375 T & P GP-7

Hi Ron,                   The 375 T&P Dummy was never sold separately.  The horn was in the powered 374.  The rare 375 GM was a separate powered unit.                                                         Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 10/26/09, ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 375 T & P GP-7 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 7:45 PM   Was the 375 ever sold alone or did it only come in the 374-375 set. Either way, does it have a horn or was the horn in the 374. Thanks Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56740	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Stumpy.... Can you post some items and prices? Bob --- On Mon, 10/26/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:02 PM   It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, 2009. Having always priced their stock at 10% below retail, they are having a storewide sale with an additional 20% off everything. In many cases, this is their cost or below! Everything has to be sold, including the shelves! This includes a quickly declining stock of Flyonel, S Helper, and American Models, plus what remaining old Flyer they have. (Due to the uncertain nature of the Flyonel Big Boy shipping date, contact the store for updates.) They also carry Lionel, MTH, Weaver, and Atlas O gauge, plus all HO manufacturers. (N, and G scales are already sold out.) Store hours are 10 AM to 5 PM Mondays, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and 10 AM to 4 PM Saturdays. Closed Sunday and Tuesday. Phone:740/633- 6055 or e-mail them at: gmtrainshobby@ aol.com They do mail orders daily, being a UPS shipping station. I have known Gary and Mike since 1985 and worked part time for much of the twenty two years they ran the shop. I can tell you that this was no "spur of the moment" decision. They have agonized for nearly a year over this and are pretty depressed about it. Unfortunately, they would have to run too much additional debt to continue, so it's Game Over for G&M. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56741	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/26/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse

Nope...it is running on AC...from a stock Lionel ZW (watching the voltage output, of course!). It is the only tranny I have right now that has the DC reversing switch used by Lionel and others. I thought sure the 806 would run flawlessly with it! I will convert it to DC if it does not behave. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56742	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Sorry to hear that Stumpy. They're not alone. Many small businesses are struggling right now. Just not enough "disposable" income out there right now. Never did have enough money myself to ever consider any of it "Disposable" !! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:02:29 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] GAME OVER It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, 2009. Having always priced their stock at 10% below retail, they are having a storewide sale with an additional 20% off everything. In many cases, this is their cost or below! Everything has to be sold, including the shelves! This includes a quickly declining stock of Flyonel, S Helper, and American Models, plus what remaining old Flyer they have. (Due to the uncertain nature of the Flyonel Big Boy shipping date, contact the store for updates.) They also carry Lionel, MTH, Weaver, and Atlas O gauge, plus all HO manufacturers. (N, and G scales are already sold out.) Store hours are 10 AM to 5 PM Mondays, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and 10 AM to 4 PM Saturdays. Closed Sunday and Tuesday. Phone:740/633-6055 or e-mail them at: gmtrainshobby@... They do mail orders daily, being a UPS shipping station. I have known Gary and Mike since 1985 and worked part time for much of the twenty two years they ran the shop. I can tell you that this was no "spur of the moment" decision. They have agonized for nearly a year over this and are pretty depressed about it. Unfortunately, they would have to run too much additional debt to continue, so it's Game Over for G&M. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56743	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Stumpy, I am sorry to hear this, as this is the trend for many small businesses. I still remember trying to find this place in 1992, as that was before the days of the computer and MapQuest. Best of luck to the owners during this time in their lives. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER Stumpy.... Can you post some items and prices? Bob --- On Mon, 10/26/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:02 PM It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, 2009. Having always priced their stock at 10% below retail, they are having a storewide sale with an additional 20% off everything. In many cases, this is their cost or below! Everything has to be sold, including the shelves! This includes a quickly declining stock of Flyonel, S Helper, and American Models, plus what remaining old Flyer they have. (Due to the uncertain nature of the Flyonel Big Boy shipping date, contact the store for updates.) They also carry Lionel, MTH, Weaver, and Atlas O gauge, plus all HO manufacturers. (N, and G scales are already sold out.) Store hours are 10 AM to 5 PM Mondays, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and 10 AM to 4 PM Saturdays. Closed Sunday and Tuesday. Phone:740/633- 6055 or e-mail them at: gmtrainshobby@ aol.com They do mail orders daily, being a UPS shipping station. I have known Gary and Mike since 1985 and worked part time for much of the twenty two years they ran the shop. I can tell you that this was no "spur of the moment" decision. They have agonized for nearly a year over this and are pretty depressed about it. Unfortunately, they would have to run too much additional debt to continue, so it's Game Over for G&M. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56744	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Directronic reverse

Actually it is probably not even wired in by the sounds of it. Probably just running straight off the reverser on AC without the relay. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben and Lynn Stiles To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Directronic reverse Nope...it is running on AC...from a stock Lionel ZW (watching the voltage output, of course!). It is the only tranny I have right now that has the DC reversing switch used by Lionel and others. I thought sure the 806 would run flawlessly with it! I will convert it to DC if it does not behave. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13560 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56745	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: the walls came down! A new home?

Well I am trying to do the same thing Bill, Ed et all ...have been looking for years for a layout space with an attached living quarters...was wiling to have an RV hooked up outside of a shed...well I may be looking at one of those large train rooms with a living hovel above, instead of parked alongside. If I am real lucky it may actually have electricity, heat and be dry as well as have enough head room so I do not have to dig out the floor. So I am packing up my stuff (boy there is a lot of that) a lot of boxes that say "train stuff" and "junk"...I know I am going to need some of that one of these days for the train building with attached living quarters. And getting ready to head east...west is a bit of a problem because of the ocean... so about mid November I will be on my way to NE Tennessee, and what appears to be a large group of S people of al ilks. Yes it may be a challenge getting there, snowy mountain passes, blizards, floods, tornados, and the occasional drunk driver to dodge...but I will be leaving this beautiful place in Oregon for another beautiful place in the hills and mountains of NE Tennessee. Yes another adventure for this old fart...and maybe a new RR empire to engineer in them thar hills. So press on Bill and you other empire builders, two blows on the whistle, green board, open the throttle, and let 'er go! For those of you in NE TN area who follow the S yahoo groups, would like to hear from you. For anyone else interested in keeping in touch... This email t4u@... is good for the next two months, alternate email...drktrains@... good now and ...? Phone contact till mid Nov. 541-471-8819 or alternate computer phone connection: 605 838-1008 S gaugingly, Peter Loeb (for now in S. Oregon) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56746	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: "Directronic": a term that's irrelevant to AF 3/16s O unmodified eng

"Directronic" refers to the polarity flipping of DC fed to tracks. Gilbert never used it in the context of any of its O gauge engines. "Directional Remote Control" (DRC) was the term that they coined and featured in their literature and advertising to refer to the DC advancing of the AC e-units in such engines (including the worm type 559, 531, 533s & 534s and some 571s). IF engines (such as 3/16s #s 556, 565, 561, 570, 572 & some 571s....cited because they're comparable to S successors) were to be wired for DC operation (or the universal motor replaced with a DC motor) & the tracks wired to a post-war Directronic Controller, then the term would be applicable. The 806 & its spur drive Hudson counterpart DO have e-unit lockout features. The tapped hole at the top of the boiler, just in front of the cab is supposed to have a knurled headed brass screw whose purpose is analogous to O & S lockout levers. The screws are often missing from such engines & the purpose of the hole misunderstood or not even contemplated). When rotated downwards it jams the e-unit. When turned out the e-unit functions unimpeded. When turned out the e-unit functions unimpeded. Any screw with an appropriate thread & shaft can serve this purpose. A common cause of DRC malfunctions (unwanted e-unit advances) is that the return spring of the DRC relay has become flacid. Therefore sufficient vibrations (including those caused by switchtracks & crossings) can cause the e-unit to erroneously trip. Another consequence of the flacid spring is that arcs on the tracks (of less wattage than what are supposed to be provided by the controller) can cause the DRC relay to trip because there's insufficient mechanical resistance to the stray weaker magnetic fields that develop in the windings. Note that a very similar arrangement for controlling a universal motor is in the 490 whistling baggage car. The same relay controls the same e-unit to switch the whistle's motor. The difference is that the motor's direction is not changed by the e-unit's state. It simply alternates between ON and OFF. Clarifying my references to the 571 Northern, they were made in conventional and DRC versions. I have one of each. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56747	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Unfortunately this happens all too often to small business. i'm sure their decision was not easy. I agonized over closing my business 4 years ago, a gasoline service station I had for 30 years. Part of the problem for small businesses is that people have come to equate value with low price only and have no appreciation or understanding of the value of good service. This I blame on the big box retailers who can afford to bury the little guys under an avalanche of low prices. Add to that the internet and a small hobby retailer with a brick & mortar location is really up against it. That's why I always try to patronize the local guys where I can get my questions answered and problems resolved. Good hobby shops are hard to find and are rapidly disappearing from today's retail landscape so think before you click on to that mail order website.   Bob Hendrickson --- On Mon, 10/26/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:02 PM   It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, 2009. Having always priced their stock at 10% below retail, they are having a storewide sale with an additional 20% off everything. In many cases, this is their cost or below! Everything has to be sold, including the shelves! This includes a quickly declining stock of Flyonel, S Helper, and American Models, plus what remaining old Flyer they have. (Due to the uncertain nature of the Flyonel Big Boy shipping date, contact the store for updates.) They also carry Lionel, MTH, Weaver, and Atlas O gauge, plus all HO manufacturers. (N, and G scales are already sold out.) Store hours are 10 AM to 5 PM Mondays, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and 10 AM to 4 PM Saturdays. Closed Sunday and Tuesday. Phone:740/633- 6055 or e-mail them at: gmtrainshobby@ aol.com They do mail orders daily, being a UPS shipping station. I have known Gary and Mike since 1985 and worked part time for much of the twenty two years they ran the shop. I can tell you that this was no "spur of the moment" decision. They have agonized for nearly a year over this and are pretty depressed about it. Unfortunately, they would have to run too much additional debt to continue, so it's Game Over for G&M. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56748	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars.  I called Scenery Unlimited today and they are out of stock.  I called another online dealer who also was out and then Lionel customer "no service" and they were clueless.  Can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find somebody who has these two cars for sale.  Russ in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56749	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

The sad thing about when a small business closes you lose the service and knowledge of the people who work in these places. I rather pay a few more dollars to a business, i.e. Hardware store, hobby store, for someone who can really help me solve a problem, find a product, how to use the product, etc. With the big box stores, Home Depot, etc. you lose that. But many do not understand that or they would not go to the big box stores. I hate going into Home Depot, but I have no choice, since my little hardware store was run out of town by HD, as the same with the little hobby shoppe. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: robert hendrickson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER Unfortunately this happens all too often to small business. i'm sure their decision was not easy. I agonized over closing my business 4 years ago, a gasoline service station I had for 30 years. Part of the problem for small businesses is that people have come to equate value with low price only and have no appreciation or understanding of the value of good service. This I blame on the big box retailers who can afford to bury the little guys under an avalanche of low prices. Add to that the internet and a small hobby retailer with a brick & mortar location is really up against it. That's why I always try to patronize the local guys where I can get my questions answered and problems resolved. Good hobby shops are hard to find and are rapidly disappearing from today's retail landscape so think before you click on to that mail order website. Bob Hendrickson --- On Mon, 10/26/09, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:02 PM It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, 2009. Having always priced their stock at 10% below retail, they are having a storewide sale with an additional 20% off everything. In many cases, this is their cost or below! Everything has to be sold, including the shelves! This includes a quickly declining stock of Flyonel, S Helper, and American Models, plus what remaining old Flyer they have. (Due to the uncertain nature of the Flyonel Big Boy shipping date, contact the store for updates.) They also carry Lionel, MTH, Weaver, and Atlas O gauge, plus all HO manufacturers. (N, and G scales are already sold out.) Store hours are 10 AM to 5 PM Mondays, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and 10 AM to 4 PM Saturdays. Closed Sunday and Tuesday. Phone:740/633- 6055 or e-mail them at: gmtrainshobby@ aol.com They do mail orders daily, being a UPS shipping station. I have known Gary and Mike since 1985 and worked part time for much of the twenty two years they ran the shop. I can tell you that this was no "spur of the moment" decision. They have agonized for nearly a year over this and are pretty depressed about it. Unfortunately, they would have to run too much additional debt to continue, so it's Game Over for G&M. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56750	From: Dave	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: BALLANTINE ALE Reefer Decals

Good Afternoon All, We now have set #1972 BALLANTINE ALE refrigerator car decals at our web site. For those of you that are interested please follow the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html Thank you for your interest in our on going endeavor to produce BILLBOARD REEFER DECALS for your favorite beers. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56751	From: The LANIERs	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

My understanding is that they have not been delivered yet. Could be wrong. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Dondero To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars. I called Scenery Unlimited today and they are out of stock. I called another online dealer who also was out and then Lionel customer "no service" and they were clueless. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find somebody who has these two cars for sale. Russ in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56752	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: GAME OVER

Stump, I am truly sorry to hear this, as it's quickly becoming the norm in this country. I am sure these gentlemen and you have put their hearts into this endeavor and, as you stated , have agonized over this decision. Thank them for us for doing what they did for so many years because they loved it. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56753	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Tuesday October 27, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56754	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

Hi Russ,                         You may want to try Bob Board - All Aboard Railroad, Lancaster, PA. 1-717-392-1568 www.bartspneumatics.com.  I know he always has a selection of Lionel American Flyer.                                             Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> wrote: From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:49 PM   Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars. I called Scenery Unlimited today and they are out of stock. I called another online dealer who also was out and then Lionel customer "no service" and they were clueless. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find somebody who has these two cars for sale. Russ in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56755	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

They were due in Nov. but they weren't taking orders.  --- On Tue, 10/27/09, The LANIERs <hblanier@...> wrote: From: The LANIERs <hblanier@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:20 PM   My understanding is that they have not been delivered yet. Could be wrong. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Dondero To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars. I called Scenery Unlimited today and they are out of stock. I called another online dealer who also was out and then Lionel customer "no service" and they were clueless. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find somebody who has these two cars for sale. Russ in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo com ____________ _________ _________ _________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56756	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

I am sorry to hear about this. When I first got back into S gauge and was not a aTCA member yet, I traveled from Florida and went to a number of Hobby Shops up north that included this shop. I was very well treated at the store in Martins Ferry, OH that I had found an add for in the back of a S Gaugian Magazine. I bought a couple of Crown Reefers there that are still in my collection. Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:02 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in > business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, > 2009. Having always priced their stock at 10% below retail, they are > having a storewide sale with an additional 20% off everything. In > many cases, this is their cost or below! Everything has to be sold, > including the shelves! > This includes a quickly declining stock of Flyonel, S Helper, and > American Models, plus what remaining old Flyer they have. > (Due to the uncertain nature of the Flyonel Big Boy shipping date, > contact the store for updates.) > They also carry Lionel, MTH, Weaver, and Atlas O gauge, plus all HO > manufacturers. (N, and G scales are already sold out.) > Store hours are 10 AM to 5 PM Mondays, Wednesday, Thursday, and > Friday, and 10 AM to 4 PM Saturdays. Closed Sunday and Tuesday. > Phone:740/633-6055 or e-mail them at: gmtrainshobby@... > They do mail orders daily, being a UPS shipping station. > > I have known Gary and Mike since 1985 and worked part time for much > of the twenty two years they ran the shop. I can tell you that this > was no "spur of the moment" decision. They have agonized for nearly > a year over this and are pretty depressed about it. Unfortunately, > they would have to run too much additional debt to continue, so it's > Game Over for G&M. > Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56757	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: GAME OVER

Mike, What local little hobby shop was run out of town. I thought all the local shops are still in business, i.e. Mt Airy, Thurmont, Hanover, Sykesville, Wheaton, Kensington. I know the one in Ellicott City closed but they never carried "S" or Flyer. We still have plenty of private "small" shops around the carry our gauge. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56758	From: portlines	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

Delivered 6-8 weeks ago.......in short supply, and difficult to locate already! BTW----learned today that the BBs have not yet left China.... Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "The LANIERs"<hblanier@...> wrote: > > My understanding is that they have not been delivered yet. Could be wrong. > > paflyrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Russ Dondero > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:49 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question > > > Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56759	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/27/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

Thanks for the tip...  --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 2:47 PM   Hi Russ, You may want to try Bob Board - All Aboard Railroad, Lancaster, PA. 1-717-392-1568 www.bartspneumatics .com. I know he always has a selection of Lionel American Flyer. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:49 PM Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars. I called Scenery Unlimited today and they are out of stock. I called another online dealer who also was out and then Lionel customer "no service" and they were clueless. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find somebody who has these two cars for sale. Russ in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56760	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

I thank you folks for you best wishes to the guys at G&M. I will pass them along. Gary (the G of G&M) is particularly sad because this has been his life's work for twenty two years. Now, at age 54, in the middle of an economic crisis, he will be on the street looking for work, saddled with remaining debt. I think we have learned a painful lesson (at least I hope we have) that bigger is not always better, and that living large on credit doesn't work (both personnally and corporately.) Now, we're learning what our parents learned in the Great Depression. As far as small hobby shops, just like all those old famous artists, value is often not recognized until it is gone. Stumpy Stone...the sad, Mad Butcher...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56761	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

Thanks for the info Doug.  I'm just hoping a dealer or an individual bought more than they've sold...  not likely I know.  I was late cluing into this...  my loss.  Have you seen a prototype of the BB?  It certainly will be a great addition to S-Gauge, if Lionel does it right...  --- On Tue, 10/27/09, portlines <doug@...> wrote: From: portlines <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:10 PM   Delivered 6-8 weeks ago.......in short supply, and difficult to locate already! BTW----learned today that the BBs have not yet left China.... Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains. com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "The LANIERs"<hblanier@ ...> wrote: > > My understanding is that they have not been delivered yet. Could be wrong. > > paflyrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Russ Dondero > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:49 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question > > > Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo com > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56762	From: traintracks01	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: S items for sale

For Sale S Items October 27, 2009 Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126, Kenmore, Wa 98028 eric@... A few more clearance items that I will list here prior to EBAY in a week or so. 1. American models 4-6-2 K4 Pennsylvania engine green, new-in-box $240 .. 2. Am Models URTX 10322 milwaukee plug door refer newinbox $20 .. 3. S Scale America Milwaukee hopper hirrail modified for kadees car# 371008 $20 .. 4. SHS panelside hopper Canadian National 117794 new-NO-box both wheels $25 5. SHS panelside hopper Canadian National 117794 new-NO-box both wheels $25 .. 6. SHS panelside hopper Anderson 128 new-NO-box both wheels $25 3 above hoppers have 3 place shs box if you buy all three ($70) 7. Downes – Rusti models Tanker TC451 hi rail wheels and knuckles 91102 sunkist dark blue with orange and lemon graphics was displayed (slightly dusty) almost like new except for lower wires may need a minor bit of straightening, complete in original excellent box $75 8. Downes – Rusti models Tanker TC707 scale wheels, with kadees, dpux 9913, Dupont anti-knock green-gold , still sealed in its original plastic bag, complete in original excellent box $75 9. 5 AHL trucks with trailers all excellent, boxes may vary: BM Mack cab and trailer Hersheys chocolate Mack cab and trailer Hersheys Syrup ..Ford cab and trailer Pennsylvania railroad ..Mack CJ cab and trailer, Gopher state Trucking .Second.. Mack CJ cab and trailer, Gopher state Trucking hersheys $8, Pennsy $15, Gopher st. $10 each 10. 3 AHL trucks all excellent, boxes may vary. .Ford Flying A gas tanker ..Mack CJ Wrigleys box cab,,,,,,,,,,Mack CJ Royal Oak Briquets $5 each . All 8 trucks $60 Make an offer on any or all. Shipping will be $8 for one or $9 for 2, $10 for 3 or more USPS ground. Engine shipping will be $10. Thanks for looking eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Harwood, that was just a generalization over all, as I can tell you I remember Red's Hobby Shoppe in Wheaton, Model Railroader in Rockville, A Shoppe in Glenmont, Corr's of Washington then Rockville, all gone. These go back to the 70's and before. The Train Shed in Silver Spring is another. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] GAME OVER Mike, What local little hobby shop was run out of town. I thought all the local shops are still in business, i.e. Mt Airy, Thurmont, Hanover, Sykesville, Wheaton, Kensington. I know the one in Ellicott City closed but they never carried "S" or Flyer. We still have plenty of private "small" shops around the carry our gauge. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56764	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

It is true the big box stores hurt the small guys....... But my problem is I am part of the NEW CHANGE!!!!! I have been in business for 30 years..... never starved.... bought plenty of trains and other stuff.... put people to work, etc...... But now its been almost a year since I have had any work!!!!  And it ain't gonna get better...... As an Architect it can take up to a year to design, draw, permit, etc a project...... Thats a year from when I start back up before people get hired..... Many Contractors I know are shutting down..... i have a very good Plumbing contractor who laid everybody off..... Is now going to school to be a claims adjuster..... The elec contractor across the street let all go.... On and On..... True you can order trains on line and I do.... I still buy some stuff from Hobby shops..... But Flyer is not very plentiful!!!!!!..... But even the shows are down and some cheap prices can be found there....... Next election lets throw ALL INCUMBENTS OUT..... Lets elect people who have to work for a living and will try to cover thier own A@#$.... If I was elected you better believe I am going to ask myself this simple question on each bill...... How will it help me or save me $$$$$$$..... Everybody else follows along on my coattail's...... Bob   I know this will stir the hornets nest...... SORRY IN ADVANCE...... I am off on another cruise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56765	From: fleskovitz	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Miniature Wonderland Railway

The YouTube link below is to the huge Miniature Wonderland Railway in Hamburg, Germany. It's amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_oDdGmKyA&feature Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56766	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Huh? So Bob, how cheap will you go for a contract to design something? reason why the local Shoppe's are going out of business, as people always want it cheaper. Sure, you are very knowledgeable in your field, but someone wants that new train item, so they try to get it from the cheapest place possible, so they do. Then try to get help with it from that place. So there lies the problem with the Shoppes like the one in Martin's Ferry, Ohio. They can not compete with the big websites. But they can for a few more dollars, give you the help you need and advise in doing something. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER It is true the big box stores hurt the small guys....... But my problem is I am part of the NEW CHANGE!!!!! I have been in business for 30 years..... never starved.... bought plenty of trains and other stuff.... put people to work, etc...... But now its been almost a year since I have had any work!!!! And it ain't gonna get better...... As an Architect it can take up to a year to design, draw, permit, etc a project...... Thats a year from when I start back up before people get hired..... Many Contractors I know are shutting down..... i have a very good Plumbing contractor who laid everybody off..... Is now going to school to be a claims adjuster..... The elec contractor across the street let all go.... On and On..... True you can order trains on line and I do.... I still buy some stuff from Hobby shops..... But Flyer is not very plentiful!!!!!!..... But even the shows are down and some cheap prices can be found there....... Next election lets throw ALL INCUMBENTS OUT..... Lets elect people who have to work for a living and will try to cover thier own A@#$.... If I was elected you better believe I am going to ask myself this simple question on each bill...... How will it help me or save me $$$$$$$..... Everybody else follows along on my coattail's...... Bob I know this will stir the hornets nest...... SORRY IN ADVANCE...... I am off on another cruise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56767	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

Heard that many times after the hardware store I managed at one time was sold to another owner who soon closed it. MY bosses couldn't comprehend that K-Mart, Jamesway, SEARS, Penneys, (when they HAD hardware) etc were competition to our store 10 miles away. Just couldn't believe it, maybe they still don't. Those who grieved the most after the store closed were those who shopped the least when it was open. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/28/2009 6:41:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: As far as small hobby shops, just like all those old famous artists, value is often not recognized until it is gone. Stumpy Stone...the sad, Mad Butcher...in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56768	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: the walls came down! A new home?

Peter, Welcome back East. I moved back East from Oregon in 1977, and have never regretted it for one day. It is nice to visit the Northwest, but this is truly a great place to live. There is a new Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers in NE TN as well as a scale S club. And the university in Johnson City even has a train layout!! Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains 4 U" <t4u@...> wrote: > > Well I am trying to do the same thing Bill, Ed et all ...have been looking for years for a layout space with an attached living quarters...was wiling to have an RV hooked up outside of a shed...well I may be looking at one of those large train rooms with a living hovel above, instead of parked alongside. If I am real lucky it may actually have electricity, heat and be dry as well as have enough head room so I do not have to dig out the floor. > > So I am packing up my stuff (boy there is a lot of that) a lot of boxes that say "train stuff" and "junk"...I know I am going to need some of that one of these days for the train building with attached living quarters. And getting ready to head east...west is a bit of a problem because of the ocean... so about mid November I will be on my way to NE Tennessee, and what appears to be a large group of S people of al ilks. Yes it may be a challenge getting there, snowy mountain passes, blizards, floods, tornados, and the occasional drunk driver to dodge...but I will be leaving this beautiful place in Oregon for another beautiful place in the hills and mountains of NE Tennessee. > > Yes another adventure for this old fart...and maybe a new RR empire to engineer in them thar hills. So press on Bill and you other empire builders, two blows on the whistle, green board, open the throttle, and let 'er go! > > For those of you in NE TN area who follow the S yahoo groups, would like to hear from you. For anyone else interested in keeping in touch... > > This email t4u@... is good for the next two months, alternate email...drktrains@... good now and ...? > Phone contact till mid Nov. 541-471-8819 or alternate computer phone connection: 605 838-1008 > > S gaugingly, Peter Loeb (for now in S. Oregon) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56769	From: Dave	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: #1225 Mr. & Mrs. Clause Decals

We produced some #1225 METALLIC GOLD decals for a club member in Ashville NC and have a few left over. Please follow the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1481172240/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc The price is $13.50 for one (1) E&T and one (1) caboose set combined into one (1) FULL SET and includes USPS FIRST CLASS shipping in the USA. Please contact us off group. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56770	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Fw: UPS Call Tag

A follow up with Testors on the paint issue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Wendy Myres" <WMyres@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: UPS Call Tag > Wendy, > > A second bottle of Jet Exhaust that I got from Ehobbies is working out > just fine. > > It is thicker that Floquil, but this bottle of paint is working out fine. > > So, I wont be sending you anything at this time. > > I appreciate your help and quick response. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Myres" <WMyres@...> > To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: UPS Call Tag > > > Your welcome and I will check our stock. > > Wendy > > > >>>> "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> 10/20/2009 12:52 PM >>>> >>> > Hi Wendy. > > I just got back from Maine and thank you for the tag. > > The bottle of paint I had that I thought was too thick is now thinned > down. > > I do have two more unopened bottles of Jet Exhaust paint that I got from > Ehobbies right before I went to Maine. > > The paint is a grayish color, the bottle I am using, where the paint chip > on > Testor's is more brownish. The gray is fine, but I saw a bottle in Maine > with paint chip in a testors display that was the brown color I was hoping > for. > > If the two other bottles are the same color that is on my building now, > that > is fine. but if they are brownish, I am in trouble, as the trim will not > be > the same and this is a large building. This is a $250 kit and I would > hate to have to buy another one if the other bottles turn out to be a > different color. I hope that will not be the case. > > I will let you know how the paint is, color and usability is soon. > > I do appreciate the quick response from Testors and you. > > Mike > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56771	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

My first "job" in 1963 was working at the Hobby House in Lebanon, Pa. I was 13 at the time and my allowance would not pay for some of the model railroad items I wanted. When my father told me if I wanted these things so bad, I should get a job to earn the money. He was thinking along the lines of a paper route or something like that. Since I hated the idea of getting up at Zero-Dark-Thirty to start work before school, I looked elsewhere.   The Hobby House had glass display cases that were filled with "gold" locomotives. They were right in front of the entrance and wrapped around the back of the counter. The store had a table with chairs for the "regulars" and coffee was always available. There was a libary of railroad books and the shelves were filled with the familiar Yellow Athearn boxes. Most of the stock was HO scale but there was a nice selection of Lionel as well.   The owner of the Hobby House was a lawyer and the shop was only open in the evenings from 6:00PM to 9:00 PM and Saturdays from noon until 6:00PM. I was in the shop one day when the owner was not very busy. He had just expanded the building and was building a 3-rail layout for the holidays. I asked him if he needed some help for the holidays and he told me that he would need someone to operate the layout he was building. The pay was $.50 an hour and that included a 10% discount on purchases.   I worked at the store until I was 16 and discovered girls. I spent most of my paycheck in that store and I still have the UP 372 GP7 and New Nahve EP5 that I purchased for my father for a total of $15.00 as used equipment.   The owner passed away while I was in the Navy and his son took over the business. In 1972, I returned to civilian life. The Hobby House was still in business and I would frequently drop in to chat with the guys and pick up a few items. One day the owner asked me if I knew anything about repairing old trains. The fellow that had been his repairman had quit and he had some trains that were still in need of repair. Since I had been doing it a while, I told him I could take a look at a problem he was having. I became the repairman that season and stayed there until my wife and I moved to Allentown.   Bloch's Hobby Shop In Allentown became my new hobby haven. The place reminded me of an old hardware store, long and narrow. I ended up working there as well and even drove 80 miles, one way, on Saturdays to help out during the Christmas season. Bloch's had their own "paint shop", complete with a guy that did the paint work for Overland Models. He spent every evening and weekend doing painting of models for customers and importers. I learned to paint and decal from this fellow and today, I have no fear about stripping and repainting my own, or friends equipment. It was a great place to be. I made friends there that I still keep in contact with after almost 23 years. In 1986, I decided to "retire" from the repair business and concentrate on my own layout.   Both of these hobby shops are gone now. The Hobby House died when the sone decided to deal only in Lionel and ignore the faithful scale model railroading customers the shop had established for almost 30 years. it only took 3 years before the shop closed it's doors.   Bloch's owner decided to retire in 1987. The shop was in a pretty rough part of town and going into the area after dark was a risk a lot of customers no longer wanted to take. The owner called me and asked if I would help move his remaining stock to his home and I took part in the move. I was able to purchase a lot of things for great prices that day but it was a very sad moment to see a good hobby shop die.   Today, I have to drive over 70 miles to go to a hobby shop. I live ner Harrisburg, Pa and the only decent hobby shop is Mainline Hobby Supply, in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. The folks there keep up the tradition of great customer service and a well-stocked inventory. They have a very good internet presence and offer great prices. True, they are not as cheap as some of the web-only places but they know the business and their customers keep coming back.   Sorry for the long post but we still need good local hobby shops. I truly hope this current depression does not kill them off. If possible, help support them. If not, we will have nothing left but ebay and internet shopping. I like to see, touch and feel something before I buy it.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56772	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Mike..... As always, as with certain people, who I have had for many years, I will try to help them with somw prelims..... If it goes then they pay.... If it doesn't then they don't.... Almost always it works..... I try to be VERY FAIR.... I got a call from a lady about some things I did last year..... Get me a bill because the company is about to go bust and we can still get the funds!!!! Large company.... but its only 3 or 4 thousand.... So I will.... Bob --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:40 AM   Huh? So Bob, how cheap will you go for a contract to design something? reason why the local Shoppe's are going out of business, as people always want it cheaper. Sure, you are very knowledgeable in your field, but someone wants that new train item, so they try to get it from the cheapest place possible, so they do. Then try to get help with it from that place. So there lies the problem with the Shoppes like the one in Martin's Ferry, Ohio. They can not compete with the big websites. But they can for a few more dollars, give you the help you need and advise in doing something. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER It is true the big box stores hurt the small guys....... But my problem is I am part of the NEW CHANGE!!!!! I have been in business for 30 years..... never starved.... bought plenty of trains and other stuff.... put people to work, etc...... But now its been almost a year since I have had any work!!!! And it ain't gonna get better...... As an Architect it can take up to a year to design, draw, permit, etc a project..... . Thats a year from when I start back up before people get hired..... Many Contractors I know are shutting down..... i have a very good Plumbing contractor who laid everybody off..... Is now going to school to be a claims adjuster.... . The elec contractor across the street let all go.... On and On..... True you can order trains on line and I do.... I still buy some stuff from Hobby shops..... But Flyer is not very plentiful!!! !!!..... But even the shows are down and some cheap prices can be found there....... Next election lets throw ALL INCUMBENTS OUT..... Lets elect people who have to work for a living and will try to cover thier own A@#$.... If I was elected you better believe I am going to ask myself this simple question on each bill...... How will it help me or save me $$$$$$$..... Everybody else follows along on my coattail's.. .... Bob I know this will stir the hornets nest...... SORRY IN ADVANCE..... . I am off on another cruise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56773	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Bob, Great, as that is how all business works. But when some do not take in enough revenue to covers all expenses plus a reasonable profit for them to make a living, they go out of business. Sadly, there are many forces that are pushing the small business out, which includes hobby Shoppe's. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER Mike..... As always, as with certain people, who I have had for many years, I will try to help them with somw prelims..... If it goes then they pay.... If it doesn't then they don't.... Almost always it works..... I try to be VERY FAIR.... I got a call from a lady about some things I did last year..... Get me a bill because the company is about to go bust and we can still get the funds!!!! Large company.... but its only 3 or 4 thousand.... So I will.... Bob --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:40 AM Huh? So Bob, how cheap will you go for a contract to design something? reason why the local Shoppe's are going out of business, as people always want it cheaper. Sure, you are very knowledgeable in your field, but someone wants that new train item, so they try to get it from the cheapest place possible, so they do. Then try to get help with it from that place. So there lies the problem with the Shoppes like the one in Martin's Ferry, Ohio. They can not compete with the big websites. But they can for a few more dollars, give you the help you need and advise in doing something. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER It is true the big box stores hurt the small guys....... But my problem is I am part of the NEW CHANGE!!!!! I have been in business for 30 years..... never starved.... bought plenty of trains and other stuff.... put people to work, etc...... But now its been almost a year since I have had any work!!!! And it ain't gonna get better...... As an Architect it can take up to a year to design, draw, permit, etc a project..... . Thats a year from when I start back up before people get hired..... Many Contractors I know are shutting down..... i have a very good Plumbing contractor who laid everybody off..... Is now going to school to be a claims adjuster.... . The elec contractor across the street let all go.... On and On..... True you can order trains on line and I do.... I still buy some stuff from Hobby shops..... But Flyer is not very plentiful!!! !!!..... But even the shows are down and some cheap prices can be found there....... Next election lets throw ALL INCUMBENTS OUT..... Lets elect people who have to work for a living and will try to cover thier own A@#$.... If I was elected you better believe I am going to ask myself this simple question on each bill...... How will it help me or save me $$$$$$$..... Everybody else follows along on my coattail's.. .... Bob I know this will stir the hornets nest...... SORRY IN ADVANCE..... . I am off on another cruise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56774	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

and he notes - I presume you are talking about Walter Graef (aka The Hobby House, also Ace Models). He was a good friend as well as a good friend to the Gauge. When he died his son ran it part time and I don't think he was a model railroader. The one time I visited the shop he was getting rid of a ton of parts which I and my friend Jim Bassett loaded up on. The next time I went through the area it was gone. Raleigh in Mainely rain!.. At 12:52 PM 10/28/2009, Nick Kulp wrote: > > >My first "job" in 1963 was working at the Hobby House in Lebanon, >Pa. I was 13 at the time and my allowance would not pay for some of >the model railroad items I wanted. When my father told me if I >wanted these things so bad, I should get a job to earn the money. He >was thinking along the lines of a paper route or something like >that. Since I hated the idea of getting up at Zero-Dark-Thirty to >start work before school, I looked elsewhere. > >The Hobby House had glass display cases that were filled with "gold" >locomotives. They were right in front of the entrance and wrapped >around the back of the counter. The store had a table with chairs >for the "regulars" and coffee was always available. There was a >libary of railroad books and the shelves were filled with the >familiar Yellow Athearn boxes. Most of the stock was HO scale but >there was a nice selection of Lionel as well. > >The owner of the Hobby House was a lawyer and the shop was only open >in the evenings from 6:00PM to 9:00 PM and Saturdays from noon until >6:00PM. I was in the shop one day when the owner was not very busy. >He had just expanded the building and was building a 3-rail layout >for the holidays. I asked him if he needed some help for the >holidays and he told me that he would need someone to operate the >layout he was building. The pay was $.50 an hour and that included a >10% discount on purchases. > >I worked at the store until I was 16 and discovered girls. I spent >most of my paycheck in that store and I still have the UP 372 GP7 >and New Nahve EP5 that I purchased for my father for a total of >$15.00 as used equipment. > >The owner passed away while I was in the Navy and his son took over >the business. In 1972, I returned to civilian life. The Hobby House >was still in business and I would frequently drop in to chat with >the guys and pick up a few items. One day the owner asked me if I >knew anything about repairing old trains. The fellow that had been >his repairman had quit and he had some trains that were still in >need of repair. Since I had been doing it a while, I told him I >could take a look at a problem he was having. I became the repairman >that season and stayed there until my wife and I moved to Allentown. > >Bloch's Hobby Shop In Allentown became my new hobby haven. The place >reminded me of an old hardware store, long and narrow. I ended up >working there as well and even drove 80 miles, one way, on Saturdays >to help out during the Christmas season. Bloch's had their own >"paint shop", complete with a guy that did the paint work for >Overland Models. He spent every evening and weekend doing painting >of models for customers and importers. I learned to paint and decal >from this fellow and today, I have no fear about stripping and >repainting my own, or friends equipment. It was a great place to be. >I made friends there that I still keep in contact with after almost >23 years. In 1986, I decided to "retire" from the repair business >and concentrate on my own layout. > >Both of these hobby shops are gone now. The Hobby House died when >the sone decided to deal only in Lionel and ignore the faithful >scale model railroading customers the shop had established for >almost 30 years. it only took 3 years before the shop closed it's doors. > >Bloch's owner decided to retire in 1987. The shop was in a pretty >rough part of town and going into the area after dark was a risk a >lot of customers no longer wanted to take. The owner called me and >asked if I would help move his remaining stock to his home and I >took part in the move. I was able to purchase a lot of things for >great prices that day but it was a very sad moment to see a good >hobby shop die. > >Today, I have to drive over 70 miles to go to a hobby shop. I live >ner Harrisburg, Pa and the only decent hobby shop is Mainline Hobby >Supply, in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. The folks there keep up the >tradition of great customer service and a well-stocked inventory. >They have a very good internet presence and offer great prices. >True, they are not as cheap as some of the web-only places but they >know the business and their customers keep coming back. > >Sorry for the long post but we still need good local hobby shops. I >truly hope this current depression does not kill them off. If >possible, help support them. If not, we will have nothing left but >ebay and internet shopping. I like to see, touch and feel something >before I buy it. > >Regards, >Nick Kulp > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56775	From: michael prell	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

Long post? Are you kidding? I hung on to your every word! There used to be one or two places like those in Syracuse. Then a not so funny thing happened. Video games, drugs and crime. Syracuse went to hellinahandbasket during the 80's. Industry left and owners got older. Lucky for us that a couple of area stores are rebounding but it's tough. We're having an annual Train Fair in about a week and usually that generates plenty of interest. It also brings in quite a few vendors, Anyway, yours was a great piece! Not long at all! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Game Over To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 12:52 PM   My first "job" in 1963 was working at the Hobby House in Lebanon, Pa. I was 13 at the time and my allowance would not pay for some of the model railroad items I wanted. When my father told me if I wanted these things so bad, I should get a job to earn the money. He was thinking along the lines of a paper route or something like that. Since I hated the idea of getting up at Zero-Dark-Thirty to start work before school, I looked elsewhere.   The Hobby House had glass display cases that were filled with "gold" locomotives. They were right in front of the entrance and wrapped around the back of the counter. The store had a table with chairs for the "regulars" and coffee was always available. There was a libary of railroad books and the shelves were filled with the familiar Yellow Athearn boxes. Most of the stock was HO scale but there was a nice selection of Lionel as well.   The owner of the Hobby House was a lawyer and the shop was only open in the evenings from 6:00PM to 9:00 PM and Saturdays from noon until 6:00PM. I was in the shop one day when the owner was not very busy. He had just expanded the building and was building a 3-rail layout for the holidays. I asked him if he needed some help for the holidays and he told me that he would need someone to operate the layout he was building. The pay was $.50 an hour and that included a 10% discount on purchases.   I worked at the store until I was 16 and discovered girls. I spent most of my paycheck in that store and I still have the UP 372 GP7 and New Nahve EP5 that I purchased for my father for a total of $15.00 as used equipment.   The owner passed away while I was in the Navy and his son took over the business. In 1972, I returned to civilian life. The Hobby House was still in business and I would frequently drop in to chat with the guys and pick up a few items. One day the owner asked me if I knew anything about repairing old trains. The fellow that had been his repairman had quit and he had some trains that were still in need of repair. Since I had been doing it a while, I told him I could take a look at a problem he was having. I became the repairman that season and stayed there until my wife and I moved to Allentown.   Bloch's Hobby Shop In Allentown became my new hobby haven. The place reminded me of an old hardware store, long and narrow. I ended up working there as well and even drove 80 miles, one way, on Saturdays to help out during the Christmas season. Bloch's had their own "paint shop", complete with a guy that did the paint work for Overland Models. He spent every evening and weekend doing painting of models for customers and importers. I learned to paint and decal from this fellow and today, I have no fear about stripping and repainting my own, or friends equipment. It was a great place to be. I made friends there that I still keep in contact with after almost 23 years. In 1986, I decided to "retire" from the repair business and concentrate on my own layout.   Both of these hobby shops are gone now. The Hobby House died when the sone decided to deal only in Lionel and ignore the faithful scale model railroading customers the shop had established for almost 30 years. it only took 3 years before the shop closed it's doors.   Bloch's owner decided to retire in 1987. The shop was in a pretty rough part of town and going into the area after dark was a risk a lot of customers no longer wanted to take. The owner called me and asked if I would help move his remaining stock to his home and I took part in the move. I was able to purchase a lot of things for great prices that day but it was a very sad moment to see a good hobby shop die.   Today, I have to drive over 70 miles to go to a hobby shop. I live ner Harrisburg, Pa and the only decent hobby shop is Mainline Hobby Supply, in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. The folks there keep up the tradition of great customer service and a well-stocked inventory. They have a very good internet presence and offer great prices. True, they are not as cheap as some of the web-only places but they know the business and their customers keep coming back.   Sorry for the long post but we still need good local hobby shops. I truly hope this current depression does not kill them off. If possible, help support them. If not, we will have nothing left but ebay and internet shopping. I like to see, touch and feel something before I buy it.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56776	From: michael prell	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature Wonderland Railway

fleskovitz! Thank you for the heads up on this spectacular layout. I was beginning to be concerned if my small 6X10 setup was going to be overcrowded. Not any more! One should view this presentation more than a couple of times to really get the feel for the dedication and creativity that went into it! Beautiful! Mike-S-oakingin S-yracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 10/28/09, fleskovitz <fleskovitz@...> wrote: From: fleskovitz <fleskovitz@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Miniature Wonderland Railway To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 6:58 AM   The YouTube link below is to the huge Miniature Wonderland Railway in Hamburg, Germany. It's amazing! http://www.youtube com/watch? v=PN_oDdGmKyA& feature Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56777	From: Dave	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer

Hello All, We have just posted a photo of our #1972 BALLANTINE ALE reefer in our album here at the group web site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/488501439/view?picmode=&mode=list&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc With everyone's pemission we will continue to do some more NEW beer reefer decals and show the results here. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56778	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Mike..... And thats why I haven't gone to York and have cut back buying trains..... I might even sell one of my BB ( Ro sent me an invoice on some other items and said on or before 11/10/2009)..... Bob..... Any body know any good hobby shops in the Caymans or Cozumel?????????? --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:21 PM   Bob, Great, as that is how all business works. But when some do not take in enough revenue to covers all expenses plus a reasonable profit for them to make a living, they go out of business. Sadly, there are many forces that are pushing the small business out, which includes hobby Shoppe's. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER Mike..... As always, as with certain people, who I have had for many years, I will try to help them with somw prelims..... If it goes then they pay.... If it doesn't then they don't.... Almost always it works..... I try to be VERY FAIR.... I got a call from a lady about some things I did last year..... Get me a bill because the company is about to go bust and we can still get the funds!!!! Large company.... but its only 3 or 4 thousand.... So I will.... Bob --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:40 AM Huh? So Bob, how cheap will you go for a contract to design something? reason why the local Shoppe's are going out of business, as people always want it cheaper. Sure, you are very knowledgeable in your field, but someone wants that new train item, so they try to get it from the cheapest place possible, so they do. Then try to get help with it from that place. So there lies the problem with the Shoppes like the one in Martin's Ferry, Ohio. They can not compete with the big websites. But they can for a few more dollars, give you the help you need and advise in doing something. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER It is true the big box stores hurt the small guys....... But my problem is I am part of the NEW CHANGE!!!!! I have been in business for 30 years..... never starved.... bought plenty of trains and other stuff.... put people to work, etc...... But now its been almost a year since I have had any work!!!! And it ain't gonna get better...... As an Architect it can take up to a year to design, draw, permit, etc a project..... . Thats a year from when I start back up before people get hired..... Many Contractors I know are shutting down..... i have a very good Plumbing contractor who laid everybody off..... Is now going to school to be a claims adjuster.... . The elec contractor across the street let all go.... On and On..... True you can order trains on line and I do.... I still buy some stuff from Hobby shops..... But Flyer is not very plentiful!!! !!!..... But even the shows are down and some cheap prices can be found there....... Next election lets throw ALL INCUMBENTS OUT..... Lets elect people who have to work for a living and will try to cover thier own A@#$.... If I was elected you better believe I am going to ask myself this simple question on each bill...... How will it help me or save me $$$$$$$..... Everybody else follows along on my coattail's.. .... Bob I know this will stir the hornets nest...... SORRY IN ADVANCE..... . I am off on another cruise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56779	From: The LANIERs	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

Next time you're in our area visiting Mainline Hobby Supply, check out The Train Room in Hagerstown MD. He is not so heavily HO oriented, and has a nice inventory of S even though his ad in CTT doesn't mention it. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Game Over My first "job" in 1963 was working at the Hobby House in Lebanon, Pa. I was 13 at the time and my allowance would not pay for some of the model railroad items I wanted. When my father told me if I wanted these things so bad, I should get a job to earn the money. He was thinking along the lines of a paper route or something like that. Since I hated the idea of getting up at Zero-Dark-Thirty to start work before school, I looked elsewhere. The Hobby House had glass display cases that were filled with "gold" locomotives. They were right in front of the entrance and wrapped around the back of the counter. The store had a table with chairs for the "regulars" and coffee was always available. There was a libary of railroad books and the shelves were filled with the familiar Yellow Athearn boxes. Most of the stock was HO scale but there was a nice selection of Lionel as well. The owner of the Hobby House was a lawyer and the shop was only open in the evenings from 6:00PM to 9:00 PM and Saturdays from noon until 6:00PM. I was in the shop one day when the owner was not very busy. He had just expanded the building and was building a 3-rail layout for the holidays. I asked him if he needed some help for the holidays and he told me that he would need someone to operate the layout he was building. The pay was $.50 an hour and that included a 10% discount on purchases. I worked at the store until I was 16 and discovered girls. I spent most of my paycheck in that store and I still have the UP 372 GP7 and New Nahve EP5 that I purchased for my father for a total of $15.00 as used equipment. The owner passed away while I was in the Navy and his son took over the business. In 1972, I returned to civilian life. The Hobby House was still in business and I would frequently drop in to chat with the guys and pick up a few items. One day the owner asked me if I knew anything about repairing old trains. The fellow that had been his repairman had quit and he had some trains that were still in need of repair. Since I had been doing it a while, I told him I could take a look at a problem he was having. I became the repairman that season and stayed there until my wife and I moved to Allentown. Bloch's Hobby Shop In Allentown became my new hobby haven. The place reminded me of an old hardware store, long and narrow. I ended up working there as well and even drove 80 miles, one way, on Saturdays to help out during the Christmas season. Bloch's had their own "paint shop", complete with a guy that did the paint work for Overland Models. He spent every evening and weekend doing painting of models for customers and importers. I learned to paint and decal from this fellow and today, I have no fear about stripping and repainting my own, or friends equipment. It was a great place to be. I made friends there that I still keep in contact with after almost 23 years. In 1986, I decided to "retire" from the repair business and concentrate on my own layout. Both of these hobby shops are gone now. The Hobby House died when the sone decided to deal only in Lionel and ignore the faithful scale model railroading customers the shop had established for almost 30 years. it only took 3 years before the shop closed it's doors. Bloch's owner decided to retire in 1987. The shop was in a pretty rough part of town and going into the area after dark was a risk a lot of customers no longer wanted to take. The owner called me and asked if I would help move his remaining stock to his home and I took part in the move. I was able to purchase a lot of things for great prices that day but it was a very sad moment to see a good hobby shop die. Today, I have to drive over 70 miles to go to a hobby shop. I live ner Harrisburg, Pa and the only decent hobby shop is Mainline Hobby Supply, in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. The folks there keep up the tradition of great customer service and a well-stocked inventory. They have a very good internet presence and offer great prices. True, they are not as cheap as some of the web-only places but they know the business and their customers keep coming back. Sorry for the long post but we still need good local hobby shops. I truly hope this current depression does not kill them off. If possible, help support them. If not, we will have nothing left but ebay and internet shopping. I like to see, touch and feel something before I buy it. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56780	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: DRC vs Directronic

- GreetingS - Thanks to Shiffy for elucidation regarding the distinction betwee DRC and Directronic. The knowledge of this great group keeps some of us out of even more trouble than we presently find ourselves. The purpose of the DRC with the reverser were obvious in my 4-8-4. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56781	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature Wonderland Railway

That an incredible layout...  --- On Wed, 10/28/09, fleskovitz <fleskovitz@...> wrote: From: fleskovitz <fleskovitz@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Miniature Wonderland Railway To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 3:58 AM   The YouTube link below is to the huge Miniature Wonderland Railway in Hamburg, Germany. It's amazing! http://www.youtube com/watch? v=PN_oDdGmKyA& feature Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56782	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Bob, As understand completely about the cutback in income. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER Mike..... And thats why I haven't gone to York and have cut back buying trains..... I might even sell one of my BB ( Ro sent me an invoice on some other items and said on or before 11/10/2009)..... Bob..... Any body know any good hobby shops in the Caymans or Cozumel?????????? --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:21 PM Bob, Great, as that is how all business works. But when some do not take in enough revenue to covers all expenses plus a reasonable profit for them to make a living, they go out of business. Sadly, there are many forces that are pushing the small business out, which includes hobby Shoppe's. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER Mike..... As always, as with certain people, who I have had for many years, I will try to help them with somw prelims..... If it goes then they pay.... If it doesn't then they don't.... Almost always it works..... I try to be VERY FAIR.... I got a call from a lady about some things I did last year..... Get me a bill because the company is about to go bust and we can still get the funds!!!! Large company.... but its only 3 or 4 thousand.... So I will.... Bob --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:40 AM Huh? So Bob, how cheap will you go for a contract to design something? reason why the local Shoppe's are going out of business, as people always want it cheaper. Sure, you are very knowledgeable in your field, but someone wants that new train item, so they try to get it from the cheapest place possible, so they do. Then try to get help with it from that place. So there lies the problem with the Shoppes like the one in Martin's Ferry, Ohio. They can not compete with the big websites. But they can for a few more dollars, give you the help you need and advise in doing something. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GAME OVER It is true the big box stores hurt the small guys....... But my problem is I am part of the NEW CHANGE!!!!! I have been in business for 30 years..... never starved.... bought plenty of trains and other stuff.... put people to work, etc...... But now its been almost a year since I have had any work!!!! And it ain't gonna get better...... As an Architect it can take up to a year to design, draw, permit, etc a project..... . Thats a year from when I start back up before people get hired..... Many Contractors I know are shutting down..... i have a very good Plumbing contractor who laid everybody off..... Is now going to school to be a claims adjuster.... . The elec contractor across the street let all go.... On and On..... True you can order trains on line and I do.... I still buy some stuff from Hobby shops..... But Flyer is not very plentiful!!! !!!..... But even the shows are down and some cheap prices can be found there....... Next election lets throw ALL INCUMBENTS OUT..... Lets elect people who have to work for a living and will try to cover thier own A@#$.... If I was elected you better believe I am going to ask myself this simple question on each bill...... How will it help me or save me $$$$$$$..... Everybody else follows along on my coattail's.. .... Bob I know this will stir the hornets nest...... SORRY IN ADVANCE..... . I am off on another cruise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56783	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer

FINE with me, we need new products!!! Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:32:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@... writes: Hello All, We have just posted a photo of our #1972 BALLANTINE ALE reefer in our album here at the group web site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/488501439/ view?picmode=&mode=list&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc With everyone's pemission we will continue to do some more NEW beer reefer decals and show the results here. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56784	From: richs009	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer

So how about some west coast beers - where at least some of us like our beer dark and chewy. Two that come immediately to mind - just for the sake of the logos - are North Coast Brewing's Old No. 38 stout, which has a picture of a steam engine in the logo (not sure, but I'd guess its based on the steam engine used on the Ft. Bragg to Willets 'skunk' train). Second, Big Sky brewing (Missoula, MT) makes Moose Drool - a really yummy brown ale (naturally, the logo is a drooling moose...). I'm sure with little more personal or collective thought there are others on this side of the continent worthy of note. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Hello All, > We have just posted a photo of our #1972 BALLANTINE ALE reefer in our album here at the group web site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/488501439/view?picmode=&mode=list&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > With everyone's pemission we will continue to do some more NEW beer reefer decals and show the results here. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc > www.lbrenterprisesllc.com > P.O. Box 494 > Goshen, KY 40026 > (502) 292-1872 (leave message) > dave@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56785	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

I have purchased some AF Lionel from him, as I no longer buy Lionel products. So he does stock S, I am not sure if he carries S Helper, maybe Don can answer that. He does have a nice little museum on Lionel products. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: The LANIERs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Game Over Next time you're in our area visiting Mainline Hobby Supply, check out The Train Room in Hagerstown MD. He is not so heavily HO oriented, and has a nice inventory of S even though his ad in CTT doesn't mention it. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Kulp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Game Over My first "job" in 1963 was working at the Hobby House in Lebanon, Pa. I was 13 at the time and my allowance would not pay for some of the model railroad items I wanted. When my father told me if I wanted these things so bad, I should get a job to earn the money. He was thinking along the lines of a paper route or something like that. Since I hated the idea of getting up at Zero-Dark-Thirty to start work before school, I looked elsewhere. The Hobby House had glass display cases that were filled with "gold" locomotives. They were right in front of the entrance and wrapped around the back of the counter. The store had a table with chairs for the "regulars" and coffee was always available. There was a libary of railroad books and the shelves were filled with the familiar Yellow Athearn boxes. Most of the stock was HO scale but there was a nice selection of Lionel as well. The owner of the Hobby House was a lawyer and the shop was only open in the evenings from 6:00PM to 9:00 PM and Saturdays from noon until 6:00PM. I was in the shop one day when the owner was not very busy. He had just expanded the building and was building a 3-rail layout for the holidays. I asked him if he needed some help for the holidays and he told me that he would need someone to operate the layout he was building. The pay was $.50 an hour and that included a 10% discount on purchases. I worked at the store until I was 16 and discovered girls. I spent most of my paycheck in that store and I still have the UP 372 GP7 and New Nahve EP5 that I purchased for my father for a total of $15.00 as used equipment. The owner passed away while I was in the Navy and his son took over the business. In 1972, I returned to civilian life. The Hobby House was still in business and I would frequently drop in to chat with the guys and pick up a few items. One day the owner asked me if I knew anything about repairing old trains. The fellow that had been his repairman had quit and he had some trains that were still in need of repair. Since I had been doing it a while, I told him I could take a look at a problem he was having. I became the repairman that season and stayed there until my wife and I moved to Allentown. Bloch's Hobby Shop In Allentown became my new hobby haven. The place reminded me of an old hardware store, long and narrow. I ended up working there as well and even drove 80 miles, one way, on Saturdays to help out during the Christmas season. Bloch's had their own "paint shop", complete with a guy that did the paint work for Overland Models. He spent every evening and weekend doing painting of models for customers and importers. I learned to paint and decal from this fellow and today, I have no fear about stripping and repainting my own, or friends equipment. It was a great place to be. I made friends there that I still keep in contact with after almost 23 years. In 1986, I decided to "retire" from the repair business and concentrate on my own layout. Both of these hobby shops are gone now. The Hobby House died when the sone decided to deal only in Lionel and ignore the faithful scale model railroading customers the shop had established for almost 30 years. it only took 3 years before the shop closed it's doors. Bloch's owner decided to retire in 1987. The shop was in a pretty rough part of town and going into the area after dark was a risk a lot of customers no longer wanted to take. The owner called me and asked if I would help move his remaining stock to his home and I took part in the move. I was able to purchase a lot of things for great prices that day but it was a very sad moment to see a good hobby shop die. Today, I have to drive over 70 miles to go to a hobby shop. I live ner Harrisburg, Pa and the only decent hobby shop is Mainline Hobby Supply, in Blue Ridge Summit, Pa. The folks there keep up the tradition of great customer service and a well-stocked inventory. They have a very good internet presence and offer great prices. True, they are not as cheap as some of the web-only places but they know the business and their customers keep coming back. Sorry for the long post but we still need good local hobby shops. I truly hope this current depression does not kill them off. If possible, help support them. If not, we will have nothing left but ebay and internet shopping. I like to see, touch and feel something before I buy it. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56786	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature Wonderland Railway

Who made the track? LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Dondero To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Miniature Wonderland Railway That an incredible layout... --- On Wed, 10/28/09, fleskovitz <fleskovitz@...> wrote: From: fleskovitz <fleskovitz@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Miniature Wonderland Railway To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 3:58 AM The YouTube link below is to the huge Miniature Wonderland Railway in Hamburg, Germany. It's amazing! http://www.youtube com/watch? v=PN_oDdGmKyA& feature Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56787	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [toytrains] Differences Between O and O-27

Again, I am so sorry that was meant for the S list. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S Scale ; Ralph Loveless ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: [toytrains] Differences Between O and O-27 The Inn Keeper where I stay in Maine has his American Flyer trains as a kid still, as they are from the mid 50's. He thinks one of the engines is a 326 Hudson, a common engine. But he told many of the accessories he has, talking station, highway crossing light, switches, etc., as they set them up at Christmas. He told me his Dad would not buy O or Lionel trains in the 50's because real trains did not run on three rail track, as I can hear him in his Maine accent say "It ain't right" his said his father would say. Plus his Dad said Lionel was not to scale and as detailed as AF is. His words not mine. Okay, just reporting what I hear. LOL Oh, the innkeeper's daughter at age 35, has her own AF trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56788	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2009
Subject: QWIK Tyme Calendar

Show this Sunday, Nov 1st (don't forget the clocks) at the Scottish Rite Cathedral in Reading, sponsored by DeMolay. Show runs 9 AM til 3 PM, Admission is FREE. Contact Nicole @ 610-929-9774 for table ($15.00 per) information. Understand DeMolay lads will help dealers in and out. Allentown Train Meet Assocaites (ATMA) FIRST FROST Show at the Fairgrounds, Nov 14 & 15. $6.00 Admission both (or either) days, 9 AM til 4 PM Saturday, 9 AM til 3 PM on Sunday. _www.Allentowntrainmeet.com_ (http://www.Allentowntrainmeet.com) TCA KEYSTONE Div Meet, Nov 21st at St Philips' RC Church, Corner of Rts 999 & 741, Lancaster/Millersville, PA. Open to Keystone VIPS at 8 AM, public at 9 AM, $4.00 admission charged at door. TCA members might still be able to get tables, contact Ron, _rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...) More coming--- Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56789	From: richs009	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: rail pictures

Some/many of you may know this -- there is a very (very) good site for rail pictures at www.railpictures.net. There are some terrific photos up right now -- many rivaling the old photos of Don Ball and O Winston Link. Great subject matter and really high quality/artistic photography. Has a nice searchable data base, so, for example, you can dig up 100's of photos of UP's 844 - generic prototype for Flyer's 'challenger' (there are also many photos of UP's "real" challenger, #3985). - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56790	From: Herbert	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: DRC vs Directronic

I also thought Shiffy's post was informative. This is one reason why Gilbert had to discontinue the 314AW whistle. They were promoting DC powered trains on the high end, but that meant the whistle would blow continuosly. Gilbert's plans for DC were stymied by material restrictions imposed by the Korean War, particularly on the Alnico permanent magnets. The other reason was that servicing the unit was very difficult in the restricted space of the Flyer tenders. Reggie Carnes once told me that A. C. was upset with the engineers saying they had this problem with the whistling baggage car which incidentally used a DC relay. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: > > > - GreetingS - > > Thanks to Shiffy for elucidation regarding the distinction betwee DRC and > Directronic. The knowledge of this great group keeps some of us out of > even more trouble than we presently find ourselves. The purpose of the > DRC with the reverser were obvious in my 4-8-4. > > CheerS, > > Rhett >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56791	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: QWIK Tyme Calendar Clarification

Allentown FIRST FROST--ATMA, Admission $6.00 PER day, Saturday 9 AM til 4 PM, Sunday 9 AM, til 3 PM. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56792	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer

Rich,      The old #38 looks like a great candidate for a reefer. It has a SUPER LOOKING STEAM ENGINE in the logo.      What does everyone else think about it?      If we get more than 6 yes votes we will produce a set of decals for it. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com dave@... --- On Wed, 10/28/09, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:38 PM   So how about some west coast beers - where at least some of us like our beer dark and chewy. Two that come immediately to mind - just for the sake of the logos - are North Coast Brewing's Old No. 38 stout, which has a picture of a steam engine in the logo (not sure, but I'd guess its based on the steam engine used on the Ft. Bragg to Willets 'skunk' train). Second, Big Sky brewing (Missoula, MT) makes Moose Drool - a really yummy brown ale (naturally, the logo is a drooling moose...). I'm sure with little more personal or collective thought there are others on this side of the continent worthy of note. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@ ...> wrote: > > Hello All, > We have just posted a photo of our #1972 BALLANTINE ALE reefer in our album here at the group web site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/488501439/ view?picmode= &mode=list& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > With everyone's pemission we will continue to do some more NEW beer reefer decals and show the results here. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc > www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com > P.O. Box 494 > Goshen, KY 40026 > (502) 292-1872 (leave message) > dave@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56793	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer

Rich,      The old #38 looks like a great candidate for a reefer. It has a SUPER LOOKING STEAM ENGINE in the logo.      What does everyone else think about it?      If we get more than 6 yes votes we will produce a set of decals for it. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.comP.O. --- On Wed, 10/28/09, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:38 PM   So how about some west coast beers - where at least some of us like our beer dark and chewy. Two that come immediately to mind - just for the sake of the logos - are North Coast Brewing's Old No. 38 stout, which has a picture of a steam engine in the logo (not sure, but I'd guess its based on the steam engine used on the Ft. Bragg to Willets 'skunk' train). Second, Big Sky brewing (Missoula, MT) makes Moose Drool - a really yummy brown ale (naturally, the logo is a drooling moose...). I'm sure with little more personal or collective thought there are others on this side of the continent worthy of note. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@ ...> wrote: > > Hello All, > We have just posted a photo of our #1972 BALLANTINE ALE reefer in our album here at the group web site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/488501439/ view?picmode= &mode=list& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > With everyone's pemission we will continue to do some more NEW beer reefer decals and show the results here. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc > www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com > P.O. Box 494 > Goshen, KY 40026 > (502) 292-1872 (leave message) > dave@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56794	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: End rails

Does anyone have an easy way to remount the end rail 371? Also, does anyone know the prototype of the 293 and where I might find a picture. Thank you Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56795	From: barry_ja	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: Game Over

Jim, You hit the nail on the head. Owners or management do not always react. Not that it would change anything. Now the stores that took over then are being pressed. Barry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Heard that many times after the hardware store I managed at one time was > sold to anothe r owner who soon closed it. MY bosses couldn't comprehend > that K-Mart, Jamesway, SEARS, Penneys, (when they HAD hardware) etc were > competition to our store 10 miles away. Just couldn't believe it, maybe they > still don't. > Those who grieved the most after the store closed were those who shopped > the least when it was open. > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 10/28/2009 6:41:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mrstumpy@... writes: > > As far as small hobby shops, just like all those old famous artists, value > is often not recognized until it is gone. > Stumpy Stone...the sad, Mad Butcher...in Appalachia. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56796	From: Ben	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Continuing Prewar 806 Northern (DC reverse/solenoid) saga and questi

After cleaning up the DC relay contacts and the e-unit drum, I tried the un-shelled loco to see if it would run. It did not. Then I seemed to remember that the body shell is the ground for the prewar locos. I put the shell on temporarily and the 806 ran well in fact. It did not stop or hesitate like it had before and I thought I was in business until I saw smoke coming out of the e-unit lock screw hole. I took the loco shell off (after stinking up the entire second floor!) and the solenoid for the e-unit was HOT, HOT, HOT and still smoking a bit. So the good news is that the motor is fine, very smooth in fact. Looks like that solenoid is cooked (I don't think it was anything I did), so I might still do a DC conversion. My questions are: 1)Could the use of the ZW have had anything to do with the solenoid problem? (I know they put out too much juice but I was watching my voltage) 2)Can anyone tell me how to replace the DC relay and e-unit with a DC rectifier for DC operation? (Wiring diagram?) I may still go that route as the solenoid, I am sure, will be difficult to replace. 3) What would make the solenoid get so hot, stinky...and blackened in color? Thanks, S gaugers, for helping me to answer these prewar Gilbert questions!! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56797	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer

Ok I know about the Redwoods and The 'Skunk' Train. California Western #45, Noyo River and I think they have a doodlebug too.   It's been quite some time since I've ridden her, but somehow 'skunk' and beer just don't go together. For neophytes, skunk beer is generally found in a keg that has been chilled and subsequently allowed to warm, sometimes re-chilled it leaves a nasty taste in your mouth.   -Clay Buckage --- On Wed, 10/28/09, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:38 PM   So how about some west coast beers - where at least some of us like our beer dark and chewy. Two that come immediately to mind - just for the sake of the logos - are North Coast Brewing's Old No. 38 stout, which has a picture of a steam engine in the logo (not sure, but I'd guess its based on the steam engine used on the Ft. Bragg to Willets 'skunk' train). Second, Big Sky brewing (Missoula, MT) makes Moose Drool - a really yummy brown ale (naturally, the logo is a drooling moose...). I'm sure with little more personal or collective thought there are others on this side of the continent worthy of note. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@ ...> wrote: > > Hello All, > We have just posted a photo of our #1972 BALLANTINE ALE reefer in our album here at the group web site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/488501439/ view?picmode= &mode=list& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > With everyone's pemission we will continue to do some more NEW beer reefer decals and show the results here. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc > www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com > P.O. Box 494 > Goshen, KY 40026 > (502) 292-1872 (leave message) > dave@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56798	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: QWIK Tyme Calendar Clarification

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56799	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: End rails

One of the New Haven Railroad fansites has pictures of several of NYNH&H's Pacifics. The big difference between the real Pacs and the AF was a pair of air tanks mounted on top of the boiler. Some photos show that a wind cheater was installed just ahead of the tanks.- John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56800	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer

Rich,      We now have a set of decals (#3809) for the North Coast Brewing Co. featuring the "OLD 38" engine.      We will post a photo at our album in a short while.      They are at our web site now. Price: $11.99 per set with free shipping in the USA.      Thanks for the idea. We may make some more west coast sets soon. Any more suggestions? Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@...     --- On Wed, 10/28/09, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: #1972 BALLANTINE ALE Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:38 PM   So how about some west coast beers - where at least some of us like our beer dark and chewy. Two that come immediately to mind - just for the sake of the logos - are North Coast Brewing's Old No. 38 stout, which has a picture of a steam engine in the logo (not sure, but I'd guess its based on the steam engine used on the Ft. Bragg to Willets 'skunk' train). Second, Big Sky brewing (Missoula, MT) makes Moose Drool - a really yummy brown ale (naturally, the logo is a drooling moose...). I'm sure with little more personal or collective thought there are others on this side of the continent worthy of note. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@ ...> wrote: > > Hello All, > We have just posted a photo of our #1972 BALLANTINE ALE reefer in our album here at the group web site. For all that are interested please follow the link below. > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/488501439/ view?picmode= &mode=list& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc > > With everyone's pemission we will continue to do some more NEW beer reefer decals and show the results here. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc > www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com > P.O. Box 494 > Goshen, KY 40026 > (502) 292-1872 (leave message) > dave@... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56801	From: Dave	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: NCBX Reefer Decal Set

By request we now have a set of decals for the NORTH COAST BREWING CO. featuring the #38 steam engine. The photo is at our album here at the groups web site. For those of you interested in viewing them please follow the link below; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/963134658/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Please stay tuned in "MORE BEER REEFER SETS TO FOLLOW". Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56802	From: srgriggs	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: End rails

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ron_tallyho" <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have an easy way to remount the end rail 371? Also, does anyone know the prototype of the 293 and where I might find a picture. Thank you Ron Plyler > Here is a folder in the Files section containing prototype photos of several AF steamers (including the New Haven I4 Pacific): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/AFPrototypePhotos/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56803	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question

I called Bob and he's sold out...  I may be able to get them from a fellow nearer to me...  thanks...  --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 2:47 PM   Hi Russ, You may want to try Bob Board - All Aboard Railroad, Lancaster, PA. 1-717-392-1568 www.bartspneumatics .com. I know he always has a selection of Lionel American Flyer. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer by Lionel search question To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:49 PM Scenery Unlimited in the Sept./Oct. edition of S-Gaugian listed UP (49927) and MP (49928) baggage cars. I called Scenery Unlimited today and they are out of stock. I called another online dealer who also was out and then Lionel customer "no service" and they were clueless. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find somebody who has these two cars for sale. Russ in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56804	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2009
Subject: Train Station Inn

http://www.trainstation.ca/ Here is place to stay someday. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56805	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: Re: S items for sale

Eric, If still available I would offer you $180.00 plus $10.00 shipping for items 4,5,6,7,8. Let me know. Thanks Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "traintracks01" <traintracks01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:11:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] S items for sale For Sale S Items October 27, 2009 Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126, Kenmore, Wa 98028 eric@... A few more clearance items that I will list here prior to EBAY in a week or so. 1. American models 4-6-2 K4 Pennsylvania engine green, new-in-box……$240 ….. 2. Am Models URTX 10322 milwaukee plug door refer newinbox $20…………….. 3. S Scale America Milwaukee hopper hirrail modified for kadees car# 371008 $20……………….. 4. SHS panelside hopper Canadian National 117794 new-NO-box both wheels $25…………………… 5. SHS panelside hopper Canadian National 117794 new-NO-box both wheels $25…………………….. 6. SHS panelside hopper Anderson 128 new-NO-box both wheels $25………………………… 3 above hoppers have 3 place shs box if you buy all three ($70) 7. Downes – Rusti models Tanker TC451 hi rail wheels and knuckles 91102 sunkist dark blue with orange and lemon graphics was displayed (slightly dusty) almost like new except for lower wires may need a minor bit of straightening, complete in original excellent box……$75………………… 8. Downes – Rusti models Tanker TC707 scale wheels, with kadees, dpux 9913, Dupont anti-knock green-gold , still sealed in its original plastic bag, complete in original excellent box……$75………………… 9. 5 AHL trucks with trailers all excellent, boxes may vary: BM Mack cab and trailer Hersheys chocolate…………… Mack cab and trailer Hersheys Syrup………..Ford cab and trailer Pennsylvania railroad……..Mack CJ cab and trailer, Gopher state Trucking……………….Second.. Mack CJ cab and trailer, Gopher state Trucking………hersheys $8, Pennsy $15, Gopher st. $10 each 10. 3 AHL trucks all excellent, boxes may vary. …….Ford Flying A gas tanker………..Mack CJ Wrigleys box cab,,,,,,,,,,Mack CJ Royal Oak Briquets ……$5 each…. All 8 trucks $60 Make an offer on any or all. Shipping will be $8 for one or $9 for 2, $10 for 3 or more USPS ground. Engine shipping will be $10. Thanks for looking eric [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56806	From: sscalemn	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: 2010 NASG National Convention in Duluth, Minnesota July 21-24

The National Association of S Gaugers owes its existence to discussions between Claude Wade and other S guys at the NMRA Convention in Chicago in 1960. So 2010 is being celebrated as the 50th anniversary of the NASG. We are building a mix of activities to cover all interests - scale, hirail and American Flyer and talking with the "old-timers" about the history of our scale and the NASG. We hope that many of you be able to make the trip to Duluth next summer. Below you will find some posts copied from the S-Scale list talking about the convention. This post speaks of some tours in the Twin Cities area before and after the convention. There are some fantastic American Flyer and hirail layouts in the area and we will be helping those of you who can come early and/or stay late with seeing some of these (no cost). Another shameless promotion by the Pines and Praires S Scale Workshop. I will probably be "cross-pollinating" more posts between the lists for convention items of general interest. Walt Jopke The time is rapidly approaching when some of us will attend the 2010 NASG convention in Duluth. I was just wondering about some of the guys that were there in the beginning of NASG: Richard Karnes, Fred Schuster, Kelly Bryant, Claude Wade, Tommy Riddle, Barney Daelher, Henry Sprauge, Don Heimberger, Hansel Main, Frank Titman, Win Blake, Gale Hall, John Bortz, Jess Bennett, Chester Bolly, Dave Jasper, plus many, many more. I've left... This next convention is in Duluth and I really, really, want to build one of those 2-8-8-4 DM&IR engines. With that in mind, today I looked up air fares to Minneapolis. The air fare is really , really cheap right now, I think I should pack my suntan lotion and head out next week. I need lots of info, lots of unique detailed info... Rustermier Hi, Rusty, et al: No time like the present to buy the cheap airfares to the Twin Cities for the 2010 NASG Convention on July 21-25 in Duluth. With Northwest Airlines becoming Delta (maybe THEY won't overshoot their target!), there are more opportunities to fly from more cities into MSP. If you'd like to rent a car, Duluth is just a short 2-1/2 drive, or you can take an express van shuttle from MSP airport to Duluth several times daily; the same for the return. For those of you who can make it early, we'll have layout tours of the PPSSW layouts (almost all on the western side of the Twin Cities; Brother Jasper is down "on the island" just south of St. Paul) on Monday, Tuesday and Sunday get-away day. The official proceedings in Duluth start on Wednesday with a tour called "Iron Ore and the Iron Horse - Searching for Steam on Minnsota's Iron Range." Rusty, there are 2 or 3 opportunities to see your Yellowstones during your stay, including one whose wheels and gears animate at the world-class Lake Superior Railroad Museum. Speaking of the Museum, that's where our Welcome Event is opening night, where one docent will detail how a diesel engine works, and for an extra $25 you can actually take the controls on a diesel cab ride on the Museum trackage! Worth the price of admission! You brought up the NASG 50th Anniversary celebration and were opining about the all the guys from the early days and whether they'll be in Duluth. Well, we've secured the services of Madame Pomporonivich who will be conducting a special seance during the Welcome reception to conjure up some of departed Brothers Wade, Thomas and many others who've taken their last rides. Seriously, though, either in person or via tape, you'll be able to see and hear a number of our longtime members including Frank Titman, Wally Collins and Jess Bennett, as well as all of our living ex-Presidents. On the latter, we're hoping all of them (you know who you are!)will plan on attending in person to be officially recognized for your contributions at the Banquet as well as particpate in a roundtable discussion where they can exchange of memories of the challenges and accomplishments in S's early days through the present. Such an historic discussion will be videotaped and posted for everyone to view on-line. Rusty also mentioned Jim Konas. Well, our Tom Lennon has a couple of Jim's engines he can bring as part of an historic display along with John Kromhot-built engines that show early craftsmanship of "S" and demonstrate how Claude Wade's S Scale Locomotive and Supply contributed to "S" in the early days. Anyway, we'll have the PPSSW S-modules in operation, some fantastic hands-on clinics and a CGW convention car with the unusual reverse panel doors. Any more fun and it'll be illegal...all in the beautiful port city of "Little San Francisco" - Duluth - along the shores of the world's largest freshwater lake. Plan to make it a family vacation, but book early because this is the summer "high season" and folks from all over the Midwest vacation along the strikingly beautiful North Shore. This shameless promotion has been brought to you by the sponsors of the 2010 Convention - the gang at the Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop. Steve Doyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56807	From: Jim	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: Unusual Wheel Contamination?

Good Morning All- Yesterday I went on a wild goose chase when my relatively "young" Moe 'n Joe would barely operate to unload its lumber. I checked all the voltages to the track trip, checked it's operation on the bench, etc. After an hour or so of suspecting an electrical supply problem, I finally took a careful look at the metal wheels. They had a thick coat of gunk on them. I might have thought it was just an oil/dirt build-up from heavy use, except that this car has sat on a siding next to a loading dock for most of it's five year(?) life. And this stuff was very hard. Denatured alcohol did not dissolve it, I ended up taking them out of the trucks to clean them with emery cloth. I carefully cleaned the axle wipers while i had the wheels out. When I put the reassembled car back on the track, it worked like a charm. Are any of you experiencing this unusual build-up on your newer Lionel products? I swear it was more like a corrosion problem than the oil/dirt problem we usually contend with. The layout is in a very dry area, so excessive humidity is not an issue. I'm wondering if maybe the metals used overseas is a bit different than what we're used to? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56808	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer

Hello All, We have just posted our latest reefer, #3809 NORTH COAST BREWING COMPANY "OLD 38" to our album here at the groups web site. For those of you that want to view the photo pleae follow the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/872864502/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56809	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/30/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Wheel Contamination?

Jim, I'm not sure if Lionel has this build up on the wheels as Flyer will over time. I have had the build up roll off on the curves, but that takes time. I think it is just what you said at the start - oil dirt with a spark, and that make this hard paste. This can be found on the other wheels too, and not just the metal ones.  Scott --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Unusual Wheel Contamination? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 11:01 AM   Good Morning All- Yesterday I went on a wild goose chase when my relatively "young" Moe 'n Joe would barely operate to unload its lumber. I checked all the voltages to the track trip, checked it's operation on the bench, etc. After an hour or so of suspecting an electrical supply problem, I finally took a careful look at the metal wheels. They had a thick coat of gunk on them. I might have thought it was just an oil/dirt build-up from heavy use, except that this car has sat on a siding next to a loading dock for most of it's five year(?) life. And this stuff was very hard. Denatured alcohol did not dissolve it, I ended up taking them out of the trucks to clean them with emery cloth. I carefully cleaned the axle wipers while i had the wheels out. When I put the reassembled car back on the track, it worked like a charm. Are any of you experiencing this unusual build-up on your newer Lionel products? I swear it was more like a corrosion problem than the oil/dirt problem we usually contend with. The layout is in a very dry area, so excessive humidity is not an issue. I'm wondering if maybe the metals used overseas is a bit different than what we're used to? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56810	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer

NICE JOB.  HOW MANY DID YOU RESTORE?  ARE THEY FOR SALE?  --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 12:21 PM   Hello All, We have just posted our latest reefer, #3809 NORTH COAST BREWING COMPANY "OLD 38" to our album here at the groups web site. For those of you that want to view the photo pleae follow the link below. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/872864502/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@lbrenterprises llc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56811	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Wheel Contamination?

That's kind of what I thought at first, but the plastic wheels were pretty clean, with very little, if any, build-up. Thanks for the reply. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 4:29:22 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Unusual Wheel Contamination? Jim, I'm not sure if Lionel has this build up on the wheels as Flyer will over time. I have had the build up roll off on the curves, but that takes time. I think it is just what you said at the start - oil dirt with a spark, and that make this hard paste. This can be found on the other wheels too, and not just the metal ones. Scott --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Jim < jimensign50@... > wrote: From: Jim < jimensign50@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Unusual Wheel Contamination? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 11:01 AM Good Morning All- Yesterday I went on a wild goose chase when my relatively "young" Moe 'n Joe would barely operate to unload its lumber. I checked all the voltages to the track trip, checked it's operation on the bench, etc. After an hour or so of suspecting an electrical supply problem, I finally took a careful look at the metal wheels. They had a thick coat of gunk on them. I might have thought it was just an oil/dirt build-up from heavy use, except that this car has sat on a siding next to a loading dock for most of it's five year(?) life. And this stuff was very hard. Denatured alcohol did not dissolve it, I ended up taking them out of the trucks to clean them with emery cloth. I carefully cleaned the axle wipers while i had the wheels out. When I put the reassembled car back on the track, it worked like a charm. Are any of you experiencing this unusual build-up on your newer Lionel products? I swear it was more like a corrosion problem than the oil/dirt problem we usually contend with. The layout is in a very dry area, so excessive humidity is not an issue. I'm wondering if maybe the metals used overseas is a bit different than what we're used to? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56812	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer

Russ,      We only did one and it is up for bid at our EBAY site.      The decals for this and many other bill board reefers as well as over 500 "S" scale decals are at our decal web site.      Thank you for your interest in our reefers. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> wrote: From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:22 AM   NICE JOB.  HOW MANY DID YOU RESTORE?  ARE THEY FOR SALE?  --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 12:21 PM   Hello All, We have just posted our latest reefer, #3809 NORTH COAST BREWING COMPANY "OLD 38" to our album here at the groups web site. For those of you that want to view the photo pleae follow the link below. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/872864502/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@lbrenterprises llc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56813	From: beechcricker	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: AF 307: Possible Driving Wheels Issue

Hello all--long time no post by yours truly. I am having a problem with my AF 307. I believe at least one of the rear driving wheels is coming into contact with the chassis which is not only creating a rather impressive display of sparks at times but also some derailments, sometimes rather violent ones. Assuming this unnatural contact is indeed the cause, how might I rectify this? I thought perhaps the Pull-Mor tires may be too worn creating even more excessive rocking, even for one of these Atlantics, but they still seem to be in good overall shape. Would pulling the wheels be necessary to solve the problem? I fear if that is the case the repair costs may be more than this locomotive is worth. The unfortunate part is that this engine otherwise runs like a well-oiled sewing machine. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56814	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: Unusual Wheel Contamination?

Jim,   >>>>> That's kind of what I thought at first, but the plastic wheels were pretty clean, with very little, if any, build-up. Thanks for the reply. Jim E. >>>>>   Something that has been discussed for years in the HO scales has been the buildup of "mung" like you have described. One of the actual studies done has more or less proven that the buildup appreas to come from PLASTIC wheels. The material used to make the plastic wheels actually deteriorates over time due to non-plastic compatible lubricants used on our equipment. The plastic wheels slowly deposit their material on the rails and the metal wheels seem to pick it up quickly, creating the "mung".   When I started to convert my older wheel sets from plastic to metal, I started seeing a very visible difference in the amount of dirt buildup on my wheel sets. Today, most of my wheels are metal and the problem has almost entirely disappeared. One side benefit has been that the nickel-silver rails do not need to be cleaned as often. Perhaps the same problem exists with S-Guage.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56815	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer

Thanks.  I'll check you website out. --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:18 AM   Russ, We only did one and it is up for bid at our EBAY site. The decals for this and many other bill board reefers as well as over 500 "S" scale decals are at our decal web site. Thank you for your interest in our reefers. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (leave message) dave@lbrenterprises llc.com www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:22 AM NICE JOB. HOW MANY DID YOU RESTORE? ARE THEY FOR SALE? --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] #3809 North Coast Brewing Reefer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 12:21 PM Hello All, We have just posted our latest reefer, #3809 NORTH COAST BREWING COMPANY "OLD 38" to our album here at the groups web site. For those of you that want to view the photo pleae follow the link below. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 251825696/ pic/872864502/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc www.lbrenterprisesl lc.com P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@lbrenterprises llc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56816	From: Dave	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: "FREE DECALS"

Hello All, We are doing a promotion for the group in order that they may receive a "FREE PAIR" of R.E.A. decals. Simply send a stamped, self addressed #10 envelope to us and we will send you a free pair of R.E.A. decals with information about our "S" scale decal web site. A great way to get information about us and help yourself to a free pair of decals. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc Attn: "S" Decal Dept. P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... This Is A U.S.A. Small Business Enterprise Dedicated To The "S" Scale Model Rail Road Community

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56817	From: portlines	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Re: AF 307: Possible Driving Wheels Issue

Hi Jeff, First guess is that the flanged rim on one of your rear wheels is separating from the whitewall. As a result, it can slide inward, make contact with the chassis, and result in exactly what you describe. You should easily be able to tell by inspection whether one of those rims is loose. If so, it's an easy repair...no need to pull the wheel.....clean out grease and oil from the open joint, and then use a toothpick to apply a very thin bead of superglue all the way around the exposed whitewall. Pull the rim back into position evenly around the entire circumference, and you have a "lifetime" repair. One of our AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website describes this in a bit more detail. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> wrote: > > Hello all--long time no post by yours truly. > > I am having a problem with my AF 307. I believe at least one of the rear driving wheels is coming into contact with the chassis which is not only creating a rather impressive display of sparks at times but also some derailments, sometimes rather violent ones. ..........> Jeff Feldmeier >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56818	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Train Show at Mt Clemens, Mich

The famous "Gratiot Valley" train show will be held tomorrow, Sunday 1 Nov, from 10 AM to 4 PM at the Gibraltar Trade Center, 237 North River Rd in Mt Clemens, Michigan. I will be there selling all kinds of S Gauge & S Scale stuff. Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56819	From: Dave	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: #20093 Indian River Citrus Reefer

Hi All, We have just posted another photo of yet another bill board reefer. This time it is a #20093 "INDIAN RIVER CITRUS". For those of you that wish to view the photo please use the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1561624001/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for your interest in our rolling stock photos and our decal offerings. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 www.lbrenterprisesllc.com dave@... (502) 292-1872 (please leave message)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56820	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/1/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56821	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/31/2009
Subject: Hello from Taiwan

Hi All, Greetings from Taipei. I have been here for a week and have traveled from the north end of the island to south and back on the hi-speed train. We hit a maximum speed of 280 kph and it is so smooth you don't know you're moving unless you look out the window. This afternoon I travel to Hangzhou in the People's Republic of China. I will be there for 8 days then return through Taipai for final business meetings before returning to the USA. I look forward to catching up on almost three weeks of group messages once I get back home. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56822	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Hobby Shoppes

There was some talk recently about Hobby Shoppe's going out of business and Harwood wanted to know what Shoppe in the DC area is going out. Well, my comments where in general, but I see in a TCA publication today that Engine House Hobbies in Gaithersburg, MD is for sale. So, if no new owner comes, how long this will last. For me, this Shoppe had very little that I needed, as I had purchased allot over the past two years in making a layout, as I am sure that is the same for many Shoppe's. So, for me, I have done most of my shopping on the internet with Scenic Express, Ehobbies, Micro Mark, etc. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56823	From: beechcricker	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 307: Possible Driving Wheels Issue

Excellent, Doug, thank you. In fact, I believe I have done this repair in the past on a different locomotive. I've just forgotten, I guess. Thanks again, Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "portlines" <doug@...> wrote: > > Hi Jeff, > First guess is that the flanged rim on one of your rear wheels is separating from the whitewall. As a result, it can slide inward, make contact with the chassis, and result in exactly what you describe. > You should easily be able to tell by inspection whether one of those rims is loose. If so, it's an easy repair...no need to pull the wheel.....clean out grease and oil from the open joint, and then use a toothpick to apply a very thin bead of superglue all the way around the exposed whitewall. Pull the rim back into position evenly around the entire circumference, and you have a "lifetime" repair. One of our AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website describes this in a bit more detail. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > www.sgaugetrains.com > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@> wrote: > > > > Hello all--long time no post by yours truly. > > > > I am having a problem with my AF 307. I believe at least one of the rear driving wheels is coming into contact with the chassis which is not only creating a rather impressive display of sparks at times but also some derailments, sometimes rather violent ones. ..........> Jeff Feldmeier > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56824	From: bud9351	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Milw Road ribside boxcar

Hi all, A group of us on the S scale prototype modelers list have once again started to solicit interest in a resin kit for a Milwaukee Road 40' ribside boxcar kit. These would be less trucks and couplers so that one could use SHS (or other) Hi-rail trucks and AF compatible couplers. We are looking to get enough statements of interest for 100 cars for this project to be a go. These would be produced by Smoky Mountain Model Works. Once again, though, no deposits or money at this time, as price is still to be determined, but just a statement of interest as to how many you'd want. Thanks, Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56825	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Ebay, good thing

Many have said that Ebay has cause prices on things to fall. I am not sure about this, but there was a car I was bidding on that I needed for a set. Not a rare care, but it has a rating of 2 with 5 being the rarest. It list for 80 in E in the last TM book as it was in LN condition. Add 30% and you have 104. Well, I had a bid in it for 151, max and lost. I think that is great, as it tells me that nice pieces are still in high demand. Sure, I lost, but there will be others. All is not lost on Ebay. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56826	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing

Mike, don't let me hang on the edge of my seat. What was the car, and ebay item number?  Clayton OR  --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:52 AM   Many have said that Ebay has cause prices on things to fall. I am not sure about this, but there was a car I was bidding on that I needed for a set. Not a rare care, but it has a rating of 2 with 5 being the rarest. It list for 80 in E in the last TM book as it was in LN condition. Add 30% and you have 104. Well, I had a bid in it for 151, max and lost. I think that is great, as it tells me that nice pieces are still in high demand. Sure, I lost, but there will be others. All is not lost on Ebay. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56827	From: Bruce	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing

I have found the same thing to be true. I have been outbid on items in really nice condition that I thought I had overbid on. Then again, I have seen the same items go for less than what they are worth on occasion. I think it all depends on the motivation of the buyer and the time of day that the auction ends. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains ; Toy Trains Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing Many have said that Ebay has cause prices on things to fall. I am not sure about this, but there was a car I was bidding on that I needed for a set. Not a rare care, but it has a rating of 2 with 5 being the rarest. It list for 80 in E in the last TM book as it was in LN condition. Add 30% and you have 104. Well, I had a bid in it for 151, max and lost. I think that is great, as it tells me that nice pieces are still in high demand. Sure, I lost, but there will be others. All is not lost on Ebay. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56828	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing

I rather not say, as I don't want to create a demand for this item now. Maybe I will email you in private on it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing Mike, don't let me hang on the edge of my seat. What was the car, and ebay item number? Clayton OR --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:52 AM Many have said that Ebay has cause prices on things to fall. I am not sure about this, but there was a car I was bidding on that I needed for a set. Not a rare care, but it has a rating of 2 with 5 being the rarest. It list for 80 in E in the last TM book as it was in LN condition. Add 30% and you have 104. Well, I had a bid in it for 151, max and lost. I think that is great, as it tells me that nice pieces are still in high demand. Sure, I lost, but there will be others. All is not lost on Ebay. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56829	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Milw Road ribside boxcar

I liked them in H0. Would be good seeing them in S.  How about for next year S-Fest in Rockford.  Is it going to be in Rockford next year?  It is there this year.  ________________________________ From: bud9351 <BlackDiamondRR@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 9:19:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Milw Road ribside boxcar   Hi all, A group of us on the S scale prototype modelers list have once again started to solicit interest in a resin kit for a Milwaukee Road 40' ribside boxcar kit. These would be less trucks and couplers so that one could use SHS (or other) Hi-rail trucks and AF compatible couplers. We are looking to get enough statements of interest for 100 cars for this project to be a go. These would be produced by Smoky Mountain Model Works. Once again, though, no deposits or money at this time, as price is still to be determined, but just a statement of interest as to how many you'd want. Thanks, Bud Rindfleisch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56830	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Milw Road ribside boxcar

Chicago next year, Rockford next week. Don On Nov 1, 2009, at 3:49 PM, mike rosz wrote: > I liked them in H0. Would be good seeing them in S. How about for > next year S-Fest in Rockford. Is it going to be in Rockford next > year? It is there this year. > > ________________________________ > From: bud9351 <BlackDiamondRR@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 9:19:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Milw Road ribside boxcar > > > Hi all, > A group of us on the S scale prototype modelers list have once again > started to solicit interest in a resin kit for a Milwaukee Road 40' > ribside boxcar kit. These would be less trucks and couplers so that > one could use SHS (or other) Hi-rail trucks and AF compatible > couplers. > We are looking to get enough statements of interest for 100 cars for > this project to be a go. These would be produced by Smoky Mountain > Model Works. Once again, though, no deposits or money at this time, > as price is still to be determined, but just a statement of interest > as to how many you'd want. > Thanks, > Bud Rindfleisch > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56831	From: Larry Asp	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing

Keep watching - make the item you want an "ebay favorite" and you should get a notice if one comes up. Also - since a high price for a relatively common item was originally obtained, this often encourages others to list thier piece in hopes of getting a similar price - often - and I have seen this before, several get listed and the end prices are usually less. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing > > I have found the same thing to be true. I have been outbid on items in > really nice condition that I thought I had overbid on. Then again, I have > seen the same items go for less than what they are worth on occasion. I > think it all depends on the motivation of the buyer and the time of day > that the auction ends. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S trains ; Toy Trains > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:52 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing > > > Many have said that Ebay has cause prices on things to fall. > > I am not sure about this, but there was a car I was bidding on that I > needed for a set. > > Not a rare care, but it has a rating of 2 with 5 being the rarest. It > list for 80 in E in the last TM book as it was in LN condition. Add 30% > and you have 104. > > Well, I had a bid in it for 151, max and lost. > > I think that is great, as it tells me that nice pieces are still in high > demand. > > Sure, I lost, but there will be others. > > All is not lost on Ebay. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56832	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/1/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56833	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: Ebay, good thing

Larry, thanks for the tip on getting notice on things coming up. I did not know that exist. I will look into that. Again, I am glad how the auction went, as there will be others. And I might get it for less. O:)! that happen once a Boy Scout item, as one I lost went for 75. I finally got the item for 15. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Asp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing Keep watching - make the item you want an "ebay favorite" and you should get a notice if one comes up. Also - since a high price for a relatively common item was originally obtained, this often encourages others to list thier piece in hopes of getting a similar price - often - and I have seen this before, several get listed and the end prices are usually less. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing > > I have found the same thing to be true. I have been outbid on items in > really nice condition that I thought I had overbid on. Then again, I have > seen the same items go for less than what they are worth on occasion. I > think it all depends on the motivation of the buyer and the time of day > that the auction ends. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S trains ; Toy Trains > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:52 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay, good thing > > > Many have said that Ebay has cause prices on things to fall. > > I am not sure about this, but there was a car I was bidding on that I > needed for a set. > > Not a rare care, but it has a rating of 2 with 5 being the rarest. It > list for 80 in E in the last TM book as it was in LN condition. Add 30% > and you have 104. > > Well, I had a bid in it for 151, max and lost. > > I think that is great, as it tells me that nice pieces are still in high > demand. > > Sure, I lost, but there will be others. > > All is not lost on Ebay. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56834	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: eBay: good thing

I have to agree with Larry on this. Generally when an item sells for too much money, several more show up. One or two sell higher than they should sometimes, but most go for much less, usually about what they are really worth and a price you can afford. On the other hand, if an items does poorly, it might be quite a while before one like it will appear as the "pro" sellers watch this closely. Then there is the person eBay was really meant for that is just selling something he doesn't need anymore. Depending on how knowledgeable the seller is, you might get something for a real good price. At a normal auction, it depends on who is there that is interested, or who can afford the item, or the weather is bad, etc. The variables are endless. On eBay, the weather is always good, there is always someone who is interested, and there is always someone who can afford the item. One constant for both a normal auction and eBay is that there are sometimes those who are on hand to "shill" the price, or the unscrupulous who misrepresent the item. Good or bad, you should always remember those immortal words:"Buyer beware" at any auction! Be patient, be careful, and don't let yourself get caught up in the "thrill of the chase." Stumpy Stone...eBay poor in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56835	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Ballast, grass, etc.

Hi, I'm planning my layout finally. I have the tray plan basically done, but what a more complete plan before starting, to include how I will do the ballast. I plan to lay track out on the blue foundation insulation material someone here mentioned. I'm hoping it will give me just a bit of lift off the table, quiet things a bit, and be easy and cheap. I've tried an 8' length clued it down with spray adhesive, and that seems fine. I'll nail track with little brads after drilling, avoiding pulling the track down any as I seat the nails. I'll join the track with those brass pins that come with Gargraves track. I'm trying to figure how I'll soldier the power leads down below the board, thought I might try to soldier a wire right in the center bottom of the joining pins?? The thin insulation material with get me up a bit, but nowhere near the 1/2" people get with cork or homosote. I'd appreciate any thoughts on that. As for ballast, I've tried the 50/50 white glue mix with Kittie litter, and it looks like the general idea works great. Kittie litter however is light tan, rather than gray, so I'm wondering what other material might be good for that and for dirt roads or paths. It will be a good size RR, maybe 150-200' of track on maybe 100 square feet of table, so I would prefer something I can buy in cheap bulk. I've wondered also if I might be able to die some fine material with food color or something like that? I'll appreciate any thoughts. Thanks, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56836	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Re: eBay: good thing

Yes, it is amazing how the same item number appears in bunches then nothing. However, I did win a item I need for a set, as now I need one more for another set, about 20 to 30 dollars below the TM book. So, I guess it depends on how badly a certain item at a certain time is needed by someone. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:eBay: good thing I have to agree with Larry on this. Generally when an item sells for too much money, several more show up. One or two sell higher than they should sometimes, but most go for much less, usually about what they are really worth and a price you can afford. On the other hand, if an items does poorly, it might be quite a while before one like it will appear as the "pro" sellers watch this closely. Then there is the person eBay was really meant for that is just selling something he doesn't need anymore. Depending on how knowledgeable the seller is, you might get something for a real good price. At a normal auction, it depends on who is there that is interested, or who can afford the item, or the weather is bad, etc. The variables are endless. On eBay, the weather is always good, there is always someone who is interested, and there is always someone who can afford the item. One constant for both a normal auction and eBay is that there are sometimes those who are on hand to "shill" the price, or the unscrupulous who misrepresent the item. Good or bad, you should always remember those immortal words:"Buyer beware" at any auction! Be patient, be careful, and don't let yourself get caught up in the "thrill of the chase." Stumpy Stone...eBay poor in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56837	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/1/2009
Subject: Ballast, grass, etc.

Some railroads use a tan colored gravel for ballast, so kitty litter is prototypical. You can also dye kitty litter, but it's a messy job. Another bulk material you might look into is found at farm supply or feed stores and it the granit that is mixed in with chicken feed. It comes in different sizes or grades, the largest works well for G scale, and I have seen it used down to HO scale, so you should be able to find what you need. It's known as chicken grit, or granny grit as some brands are ground granite. Some folks have reported certain brands tend to have metal like particles in it, although I've never found this. Even so, just wave a magnet close over it to pick up any unsecured metalic stuff. By the way, I glue all ballast down with white glue unthinned with water because most of the layouts I have built are portable. I have a friend who did this too, knowing he would be moving in a few years and it worked well for him too. For Gargraves track "terminals" you can use their accessory track terminal clips which shove into the bottom of the rails and you solder them on. Of course you could also just solder your wires to the underside or the outsides of any brand of rails. To get through the styrofoam, just poke a couple of holes through it and send your wires down through them. You can either drill through your wooden baseboard, or run the wires along the top of the wood and cover the wires with scenery. Either way, be sure to mark your wiring and make up a wiring diagram. You'll surely need it for any repairs. To get a bit more hiegth to your ballast, try gluing N gauge cork roadbed to the top of the styrofoam. This will also help deaden sound. Styrofoam will transmit sound, though less so than wood, so this might be a good idea anyway. Hope this info helps. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56838	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Fall S Fest

There's supposed to be a Fall S Fest this coming weekend in Rockford IL. The State Line S Gaugers' website has some information, but nothing about dealer floor hours. Sending e-mail to the person indicated for more information gets no results. Anybody have any information about the Fest schedule? Tom Hawley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56839	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

If you nail down the track, the nails will transmit a surprising amount of the sound to the board.  On our club layout, we used Liquid Nails to glue our SHS track to Cal Roadbed material (see link on the SHS site). --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 3:19 PM   Hi, I'm planning my layout finally. I have the tray plan basically done, but what a more complete plan before starting, to include how I will do the ballast. I plan to lay track out on the blue foundation insulation material someone here mentioned. I'm hoping it will give me just a bit of lift off the table, quiet things a bit, and be easy and cheap. I've tried an 8' length clued it down with spray adhesive, and that seems fine. I'll nail track with little brads after drilling, avoiding pulling the track down any as I seat the nails. I'll join the track with those brass pins that come with Gargraves track. I'm trying to figure how I'll soldier the power leads down below the board, thought I might try to soldier a wire right in the center bottom of the joining pins?? The thin insulation material with get me up a bit, but nowhere near the 1/2" people get with cork or homosote. I'd appreciate any thoughts on that. As for ballast, I've tried the 50/50 white glue mix with Kittie litter, and it looks like the general idea works great. Kittie litter however is light tan, rather than gray, so I'm wondering what other material might be good for that and for dirt roads or paths. It will be a good size RR, maybe 150-200' of track on maybe 100 square feet of table, so I would prefer something I can buy in cheap bulk. I've wondered also if I might be able to die some fine material with food color or something like that? I'll appreciate any thoughts. Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56840	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

I just want to pass along what Roger Carp told me on the phone this year, as we where discussing my layout to be in CTT next year. He is impressed with my layout, not that I am trying to impress anyone with it, that I used a ballast that is in scale and is realistic. He said that ballast really makes the layout. I have heard many times that people use kitty litter and other things, as I am sure they have reasons to do so. But make sure you are really happy with the results of any litter. If you, as I say you in general are using kitty litter because it is cheap, re think that if money is not really a issue. We spent 100's on Lionel Big Boy engines, S Helper Engines, AM engines, etc., but some cut back on other things on a layout because it is cheaper. Remember ballast is a one time expense, use the best you can. By the way, the ballast I am using is from www.classictrains.com and it is real crushed stone, S scale. I highly suggest you order a bag to see it. I use a 50/50 solution of white glue with a drop of dish detergent. Spray the ballast first. Works great. I used the 1/4" new roadbed from Vinyl in TN. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Ballast, grass, etc. Some railroads use a tan colored gravel for ballast, so kitty litter is prototypical. You can also dye kitty litter, but it's a messy job. Another bulk material you might look into is found at farm supply or feed stores and it the granit that is mixed in with chicken feed. It comes in different sizes or grades, the largest works well for G scale, and I have seen it used down to HO scale, so you should be able to find what you need. It's known as chicken grit, or granny grit as some brands are ground granite. Some folks have reported certain brands tend to have metal like particles in it, although I've never found this. Even so, just wave a magnet close over it to pick up any unsecured metalic stuff. By the way, I glue all ballast down with white glue unthinned with water because most of the layouts I have built are portable. I have a friend who did this too, knowing he would be moving in a few years and it worked well for him too. For Gargraves track "terminals" you can use their accessory track terminal clips which shove into the bottom of the rails and you solder them on. Of course you could also just solder your wires to the underside or the outsides of any brand of rails. To get through the styrofoam, just poke a couple of holes through it and send your wires down through them. You can either drill through your wooden baseboard, or run the wires along the top of the wood and cover the wires with scenery. Either way, be sure to mark your wiring and make up a wiring diagram. You'll surely need it for any repairs. To get a bit more hiegth to your ballast, try gluing N gauge cork roadbed to the top of the styrofoam. This will also help deaden sound. Styrofoam will transmit sound, though less so than wood, so this might be a good idea anyway. Hope this info helps. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56841	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Hello from Taiwan

----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 Greetings from Taipei. I have been here for a week and have traveled from the north end of the island to south and back on the hi-speed train. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > 3½ Foot gauge, no? < < < < < < < < . . . . . . . This afternoon I travel to Hangzhou in the People's Republic of China. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > Which I believe uses the same standard gauge we use. Tom Hawley Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56842	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

mrstumpy50 wrote: > > > Some railroads use a tan colored gravel for ballast, so kitty litter is > prototypical. You can also dye kitty litter, but it's a messy job. > Another bulk material you might look into is found at farm supply or > feed stores and it the granit that is mixed in with chicken feed. It > comes in different sizes or grades, the largest works well for G scale, > and I have seen it used down to HO scale, so you should be able to find > what you need. It's known as chicken grit, or granny grit as some brands > are ground granite. Some folks have reported certain brands tend to have > metal like particles in it, although I've never found this. Even so, > just wave a magnet close over it to pick up any unsecured metalic stuff. > By the way, I glue all ballast down with white glue unthinned with water > because most of the layouts I have built are portable. I have a friend > who did this too, knowing he would be moving in a few years and it > worked well for him too. That's a great tip, I have a farm store near by too. > For Gargraves track "terminals" you can use their accessory track > terminal clips which shove into the bottom of the rails and you solder > them on. Of course you could also just solder your wires to the > underside or the outsides of any brand of rails. Its stainless track and I am unsure about being able to soldier to it. Ordinary rosin flux does not work. I just checked and found Gargraves terminals, $1,70 per pair, which will be a bit expensive as I will employ lots of blocking etc., but its good to know they are available. > To get through the > styrofoam, just poke a couple of holes through it and send your wires > down through them. You can either drill through your wooden baseboard, > or run the wires along the top of the wood and cover the wires with > scenery. Either way, be sure to mark your wiring and make up a wiring > diagram. You'll surely need it for any repairs. Yes, I plan to drop the wiring below, and run buses, probably bare solid copper, so I can see a mirror image of the layout below the board. I will work out a labeling plan and have a schematic for sure. I planed to drill through the board for wires and also for nail that hold the track. I looked for and didn't find an alternative for my big cordless drill, so I'm guessing it'll break a few of those 1/32" bits. > To get a bit more hiegth to your ballast, try gluing N gauge cork > roadbed to the top of the styrofoam. This will also help deaden sound. > Styrofoam will transmit sound, though less so than wood, so this might > be a good idea anyway. I read that about Styrofoam, surprising, may do your cork trick. > Hope this info helps. Yes, thanks very much. > Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56843	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > I just want to pass along what Roger Carp told me on the phone this > year, as we where discussing my layout to be in CTT next year. > > He is impressed with my layout, not that I am trying to impress anyone > with it, that I used a ballast that is in scale and is realistic. He > said that ballast really makes the layout. > > I have heard many times that people use kitty litter and other things, > as I am sure they have reasons to do so. > > But make sure you are really happy with the results of any litter. If > you, as I say you in general are using kitty litter because it is cheap, > re think that if money is not really a issue. Thanks, if I can't get a good experimental result, I'll go for a commercial product. The Kittie Liter I experimented with resulted in stones I equate to about 4" in size, so clearly I would have to sift out the bigger stuff. Seems to me 1 1/2" crushed stone is typical of real RR's. > We spent 100's on Lionel > Big Boy engines, S Helper Engines, AM engines, etc., but some cut back > on other things on a layout because it is cheaper. Remember ballast is a > one time expense, use the best you can. That is good advice for sure. I'll be sure before going ahead. > By the way, the ballast I am using is from www.classictrains.com and it > is real crushed stone, S scale. I highly suggest you order a bag to see it. > > I use a 50/50 solution of white glue with a drop of dish detergent. > Spray the ballast first. Works great. What do you mean by spray the ballast? wet the ballast material with 50/50 glue before laying it down? In my experiment with Kittie Liter, I really soaked it, poured it right on after forming a long pile of the stuff about 1/2" high in the center. I was very surprised to see it eventually become completely invisible and solid. > I used the 1/4" new roadbed from Vinyl in TN. > > Mike Thanks again Mike. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56844	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Robert Graves wrote: > > > If you nail down the track, the nails will transmit a surprising amount > of the sound to the board. On our club layout, we used Liquid Nails to > glue our SHS track to Cal Roadbed material (see link on the SHS site). Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I have started a small section using Styrofoam foundation insulation, which is very easy to pull apart etc. I would have to be pretty generous with the glue, which would then make things a real mess if I wanted to make a change. Also, pushing the track sections together could pull the track glue and all away from the Styrofoam. Maybe I can add nails temporarily, holding things while new track sections are put down and while the glue is setting up. Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56845	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/TWSSMPP.cfm Use, panhead sheet metal screws. I think I used the #2 x 1/4 black, as you want the screw to go into the roadbed only. I used Elmer's to glue down the roadbed once I have the track on top of it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Winslow To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. Robert Graves wrote: > > > If you nail down the track, the nails will transmit a surprising amount > of the sound to the board. On our club layout, we used Liquid Nails to > glue our SHS track to Cal Roadbed material (see link on the SHS site). Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I have started a small section using Styrofoam foundation insulation, which is very easy to pull apart etc. I would have to be pretty generous with the glue, which would then make things a real mess if I wanted to make a change. Also, pushing the track sections together could pull the track glue and all away from the Styrofoam. Maybe I can add nails temporarily, holding things while new track sections are put down and while the glue is setting up. Thanks, Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56846	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Spray water on the ballast so that the glue travels through the ballast. I have heard of cats using roadbed ballast with litter, if you have a cat. Seriously. they see it and think it is for them, even if it is formed permanently. I have a TCA friend tell me this. Is it true? I am not sure, but it makes sense. We eat with our eyes, so maybe the cat uses the litter since he sees it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Winslow To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Ballast, grass, etc. Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > I just want to pass along what Roger Carp told me on the phone this > year, as we where discussing my layout to be in CTT next year. > > He is impressed with my layout, not that I am trying to impress anyone > with it, that I used a ballast that is in scale and is realistic. He > said that ballast really makes the layout. > > I have heard many times that people use kitty litter and other things, > as I am sure they have reasons to do so. > > But make sure you are really happy with the results of any litter. If > you, as I say you in general are using kitty litter because it is cheap, > re think that if money is not really a issue. Thanks, if I can't get a good experimental result, I'll go for a commercial product. The Kittie Liter I experimented with resulted in stones I equate to about 4" in size, so clearly I would have to sift out the bigger stuff. Seems to me 1 1/2" crushed stone is typical of real RR's. > We spent 100's on Lionel > Big Boy engines, S Helper Engines, AM engines, etc., but some cut back > on other things on a layout because it is cheaper. Remember ballast is a > one time expense, use the best you can. That is good advice for sure. I'll be sure before going ahead. > By the way, the ballast I am using is from www.classictrains.com and it > is real crushed stone, S scale. I highly suggest you order a bag to see it. > > I use a 50/50 solution of white glue with a drop of dish detergent. > Spray the ballast first. Works great. What do you mean by spray the ballast? wet the ballast material with 50/50 glue before laying it down? In my experiment with Kittie Liter, I really soaked it, poured it right on after forming a long pile of the stuff about 1/2" high in the center. I was very surprised to see it eventually become completely invisible and solid. > I used the 1/4" new roadbed from Vinyl in TN. > > Mike Thanks again Mike. Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56847	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Good morning Mike, I'm almost out the door to deal with pears, Better than JAY....Mike In a message dated 11/2/2009 5:08:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://www.microfashttp://www.http://www.microhttp://wwhtt_ (http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/TWSSMPP.cfm) Use, panhead sheet metal screws. I think I used the #2 x 1/4 black, as you want the screw to go into the roadbed only. I used Elmer's to glue down the roadbed once I have the track on top of it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Winslow To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. Robert Graves wrote: > > > If you nail down the track, the nails will transmit a surprising amount > of the sound to the board. On our club layout, we used Liquid Nails to > glue our SHS track to Cal Roadbed material (see link on the SHS site). Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I have started a small section using Styrofoam foundation insulation, which is very easy to pull apart etc. I would have to be pretty generous with the glue, which would then make things a real mess if I wanted to make a change. Also, pushing the track sections together could pull the track glue and all away from the Styrofoam. Maybe I can add nails temporarily, holding things while new track sections are put down and while the glue is setting up. Thanks, Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56848	From: John McAlonan	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: eBay: good thing

There have been two excellent reminders posted in this thread so far. Mike said he set his price and waited it out. Yes, he was outbid but he established a limit and stayed within it. Smart way to protect your wallet. And Stumpy's similar suggestion of "buyer beware" -"Be patient, be careful, and don't let yourself get caught up in the "thrill of the chase." should be a guiding principle. Just this week I bid on roadbed, put my limit at $2 apiece and watched them sell for over $3.25 apiece. Maybe next time. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56849	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

We have been laying ballast for many years without any problems. We use fines from the local gravel company which are free. We sift the fines through a wire screen then let dry completely. Next we spread the fines, now ballast, where we want it between the rails and on the shoulders. Then we use a fine brush to position the ballast exactly where we want it. Next we affix the ballast with a mixture of 50/50 white glue and water with a few drops liquid dish washing soap (we use dawn). When thoroughly dry the excess can be removed (we use a shop vac). Run a piece of rolling stock by hand over the areas that were ballasted to be sure that no ballast is inter fearing with the operation of the car. Next clean the rail heads with a scotch brite pad and you have a perfect ballast job. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 11:31 PM   If you nail down the track, the nails will transmit a surprising amount of the sound to the board.  On our club layout, we used Liquid Nails to glue our SHS track to Cal Roadbed material (see link on the SHS site). --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@TDS. net> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@TDS. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 3:19 PM   Hi, I'm planning my layout finally. I have the tray plan basically done, but what a more complete plan before starting, to include how I will do the ballast. I plan to lay track out on the blue foundation insulation material someone here mentioned. I'm hoping it will give me just a bit of lift off the table, quiet things a bit, and be easy and cheap. I've tried an 8' length clued it down with spray adhesive, and that seems fine. I'll nail track with little brads after drilling, avoiding pulling the track down any as I seat the nails. I'll join the track with those brass pins that come with Gargraves track. I'm trying to figure how I'll soldier the power leads down below the board, thought I might try to soldier a wire right in the center bottom of the joining pins?? The thin insulation material with get me up a bit, but nowhere near the 1/2" people get with cork or homosote. I'd appreciate any thoughts on that. As for ballast, I've tried the 50/50 white glue mix with Kittie litter, and it looks like the general idea works great. Kittie litter however is light tan, rather than gray, so I'm wondering what other material might be good for that and for dirt roads or paths. It will be a good size RR, maybe 150-200' of track on maybe 100 square feet of table, so I would prefer something I can buy in cheap bulk. I've wondered also if I might be able to die some fine material with food color or something like that? I'll appreciate any thoughts. Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56850	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Lots of good ideas for ballasting etc presented here. I use Roofing granules. They are usually available in light gray or black, sometimes in browns. I screen them through window screen to sort the size to be more scale like. My track is American Models with cork roadbed. I too presoak the ballast before gluing but use Windex glass cleaner instead of water. There are some new window cleaners that are clear now too. This helps the glue mixture penetrate more evenly than plain water. I then use a small squeeze bottle to dribble the glue mix onto the ballast and dab the excess off of the ties with a paper towel. I airbrush grungy brown between the rails to weather the ballast after it dries. Here is a photo link: http://www.tuveson.com/updates/ballast3.jpg Works for me. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56851	From: zemouse2001	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: eBay: good thing

Amen, brother. I totally support these comments. One more note: do bid early (goes along with the 'bid your max'). Yeah, you will get skunked every now and then (or better put '... most of the time...') but it does mean that you won't miss a good deal because you forgot to come back and bid before bidding closed! Not like I haven't done that several times. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John McAlonan <macflyer@...> wrote: > > There have been two excellent reminders posted in this thread so far. > Mike said he set his price and waited it out. Yes, he was outbid but > he established a limit and stayed within it. Smart way to protect your > wallet. And Stumpy's similar suggestion of "buyer beware" -"Be > patient, be careful, and don't let yourself get caught up in the > "thrill of the chase." should be a guiding principle. Just this week > I bid on roadbed, put my limit at $2 apiece and watched them sell for > over $3.25 apiece. Maybe next time. > > Mac > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56852	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

Hi Everyone, I am interested in going to the Fall S-fest in Rockford .. But, I cannot find the hours that it is open for the general public.. Anyone know the dates and times?.. thx ..Mike ---- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest There's supposed to be a Fall S Fest this coming weekend in Rockford IL. The State Line S Gaugers' website has some information, but nothing about dealer floor hours. Sending e-mail to the person indicated for more information gets no results. Anybody have any information about the Fest schedule? Tom Hawley E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56853	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: eBay: good thing

Thanks John, but the next item I bid on which I needed for a set, came in 30 dollars below what I thought it would go for. again, it all depends on what people are searching for at the time. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John McAlonan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:eBay: good thing There have been two excellent reminders posted in this thread so far. Mike said he set his price and waited it out. Yes, he was outbid but he established a limit and stayed within it. Smart way to protect your wallet. And Stumpy's similar suggestion of "buyer beware" -"Be patient, be careful, and don't let yourself get caught up in the "thrill of the chase." should be a guiding principle. Just this week I bid on roadbed, put my limit at $2 apiece and watched them sell for over $3.25 apiece. Maybe next time. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56854	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

More RR track layers prefer Dawn dish detergent than the other brand to add to their 50/50 glue solution. sorry, I could not resist writing that since I use Dawn also. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave at LBR Enterprises To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. We have been laying ballast for many years without any problems. We use fines from the local gravel company which are free. We sift the fines through a wire screen then let dry completely. Next we spread the fines, now ballast, where we want it between the rails and on the shoulders. Then we use a fine brush to position the ballast exactly where we want it. Next we affix the ballast with a mixture of 50/50 white glue and water with a few drops liquid dish washing soap (we use dawn). When thoroughly dry the excess can be removed (we use a shop vac). Run a piece of rolling stock by hand over the areas that were ballasted to be sure that no ballast is inter fearing with the operation of the car. Next clean the rail heads with a scotch brite pad and you have a perfect ballast job. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 11:31 PM If you nail down the track, the nails will transmit a surprising amount of the sound to the board. On our club layout, we used Liquid Nails to glue our SHS track to Cal Roadbed material (see link on the SHS site). --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Dave Winslow <davidwin@TDS. net> wrote: From: Dave Winslow <davidwin@TDS. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Ballast, grass, etc. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 3:19 PM Hi, I'm planning my layout finally. I have the tray plan basically done, but what a more complete plan before starting, to include how I will do the ballast. I plan to lay track out on the blue foundation insulation material someone here mentioned. I'm hoping it will give me just a bit of lift off the table, quiet things a bit, and be easy and cheap. I've tried an 8' length clued it down with spray adhesive, and that seems fine. I'll nail track with little brads after drilling, avoiding pulling the track down any as I seat the nails. I'll join the track with those brass pins that come with Gargraves track. I'm trying to figure how I'll soldier the power leads down below the board, thought I might try to soldier a wire right in the center bottom of the joining pins?? The thin insulation material with get me up a bit, but nowhere near the 1/2" people get with cork or homosote. I'd appreciate any thoughts on that. As for ballast, I've tried the 50/50 white glue mix with Kittie litter, and it looks like the general idea works great. Kittie litter however is light tan, rather than gray, so I'm wondering what other material might be good for that and for dirt roads or paths. It will be a good size RR, maybe 150-200' of track on maybe 100 square feet of table, so I would prefer something I can buy in cheap bulk. I've wondered also if I might be able to die some fine material with food color or something like that? I'll appreciate any thoughts. Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56855	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: American Flyer engine not working

Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains from my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. I am currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and cleaned everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. (the tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the track to let it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. even when on full power. I have no idea why. Any help would be appreatiated! Thanks, Mike J.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56856	From: portlines	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

We'll be set up in the S-Fest Dealer Hall, and we can't even determine the hours ! I've written the host contact, with no response yet. The only thing I DO know is that set-up is this Friday morning, Registration begins at 1 PM, and the hall opens to attendees at 2 PM. We still don't know how late the hall is open on Friday, or what the Saturday hours are. Doug Peck Port Lines www.sgaugetrains.com > > I am interested in going to the Fall S-fest in Rockford .. But, I cannot find the hours > that it is open for the general public.. Anyone know the dates and times?.. > > thx ..Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56857	From: portlines	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

Just got the word---- Friday, Nov 6th----2 PM - 10 PM. Saturday, Nov 7th--- 8:30 AM - 2 PM. Doug Peck Port Lines > I am interested in going to the Fall S-fest in Rockford .. But, I cannot find the hours > that it is open for the general public.. Anyone know the dates and times?.. > > thx ..Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56858	From: Dave	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: #355 Baldwin Switcher Repainted

We have just posted a new photo of an old beat up #355 that we changed to a #743 PRR. To view please follow the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1338817631/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) www.lbrenterprisesllc.com dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56859	From: Red Ned	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

See the information on our web page for Badgerland S-Gaugers at http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/ then go to Events to see current and history for this event. Very important event for our Midwest groups. Keeps us here communicating on recent things as well as great deals. Doug Stoll, BSG Webmaster. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mikejoan45@... wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I am interested in going to the Fall S-fest in Rockford .. But, I cannot find the hours > that it is open for the general public.. Anyone know the dates and times?.. > > thx ..Mike > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Hawley > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:20:04 +0000 (UTC) > > Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's supposed to be a Fall S Fest this coming weekend in Rockford IL. The State Line S Gaugers' website has some information, but nothing about dealer floor hours. Sending e-mail to the person indicated for more information gets no results. > > > > > > Anybody have any information about the Fest schedule? > > > > > > Tom Hawley > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > > Database version: 6.13600 > > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56860	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > > We have been laying ballast for many years without any problems. We use > fines from the local gravel company which are free. We sift the fines > through a wire screen then let dry completely. Next we spread the fines, > now ballast, where we want it between the rails and on the shoulders. > Then we use a fine brush to position the ballast exactly where we want > it. Next we affix the ballast with a mixture of 50/50 white glue and > water with a few drops liquid dish washing soap (we use dawn). When > thoroughly dry the excess can be removed (we use a shop vac). Run a > piece of rolling stock by hand over the areas that were ballasted to be > sure that no ballast is inter fearing with the operation of the car. > Next clean the rail heads with a scotch brite pad and you have a perfect > ballast job. > Dave I have a gravel pit right near me too, will pay them a visit for sure. Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56861	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

Here is one thought toward a possible answer to your question. I assume you are turning the transformer down just before you set the loco on the track. If so, the reverse unit is cycling into "neutral" and no voltage goes to loco when you next turn the transformer up, thus no power to the loco. In case you aren't familiar with the reverse units they are a 4 cycle piece. Each time you shut current down it cycles one more step, Forward, neutral, reverse, neutral over and over. There is a lever on the bottom of the tender that will lock the unit in any position you choose. Next time you put power to the loco, move the lever to lock as the wheels are turning forward. Then set the loco down and see if it now moves. If it doesn't you have a gremlin......{:>) Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 11/02/2009 8:48:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, civicman_97@... writes: Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains from my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. I am currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and cleaned everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. (the tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the track to let it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. even when on full power. I have no idea why. Any help would be appreatiated! Thanks, Mike J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56862	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

Its a major gremlin! yea the reverse unit in the tender is set to forward and is locked in place. there are a few things that are wrong with some parts. on the wireing lumb one of the wires is broken and is soldered back togeather. could that be a probem? also when it is running when im holding the locomotive it does not seem to be spinning fast enough. Im an completely lost with this one! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Here is one thought toward a possible answer to your question. > I assume you are turning the transformer down just before you set the loco > on the track. If so, the reverse unit is cycling into "neutral" and no > voltage goes to loco when you next turn the transformer up, thus no power to > the loco. In case you aren't familiar with the reverse units they are a 4 > cycle piece. Each time you shut current down it cycles one more step, Forward, > neutral, reverse, neutral over and over. There is a lever on the bottom > of the tender that will lock the unit in any position you choose. Next time > you put power to the loco, move the lever to lock as the wheels are > turning forward. Then set the loco down and see if it now moves. If it doesn't > you have a gremlin......{:>) > > Steve > SnS Trains > > In a message dated 11/02/2009 8:48:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > civicman_97@... writes: > > > > > Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains from > my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. I am > currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and cleaned > everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. (the > tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the track to let > it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. even when > on full power. I have no idea why. Any help would be appreatiated! Thanks, > Mike J. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56863	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

I assume when you say you cleaned everything that you cleaned out and replaced the grease in the gearbox. That would be my first suspect. Also, did you clean the commutator on the motor? What about brushes and brush springs? Are they in good condition? Finally, is it faster in reverse? There is a whole lot in the archive on that problem involving the thrust washer at the front of the armature. Dale Smith mike wrote: > > > Its a major gremlin! yea the reverse unit in the tender is set to > forward and is locked in place. there are a few things that are wrong > with some parts. on the wireing lumb one of the wires is broken and is > soldered back togeather. could that be a probem? also when it is > running when im holding the locomotive it does not seem to be spinning > fast enough. Im an completely lost with this one! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > boss31@... wrote: > > > > Here is one thought toward a possible answer to your question. > > I assume you are turning the transformer down just before you set > the loco > > on the track. If so, the reverse unit is cycling into "neutral" and no > > voltage goes to loco when you next turn the transformer up, thus no > power to > > the loco. In case you aren't familiar with the reverse units they > are a 4 > > cycle piece. Each time you shut current down it cycles one more > step, Forward, > > neutral, reverse, neutral over and over. There is a lever on the bottom > > of the tender that will lock the unit in any position you choose. > Next time > > you put power to the loco, move the lever to lock as the wheels are > > turning forward. Then set the loco down and see if it now moves. If > it doesn't > > you have a gremlin......{:>) > > > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > > > In a message dated 11/02/2009 8:48:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > civicman_97@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains > from > > my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. > I am > > currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and > cleaned > > everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. > (the > > tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the > track to let > > it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. > even when > > on full power. I have no idea why. Any help would be appreatiated! > Thanks, > > Mike J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56864	From: richs009	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

This may be a stretch, but is it possible that the actual engine or engine chassis has an electrical short? The engine/engine chassis is supposed to be isolated from the tracks. So when you are holding the engine with just the tender in contact with the rails, it works, but when the engine is placed on the rails the short prevents it from running. You could check this easily with a multimeter -- power off and look for either no conductance or infinite resistance between the engine and the tracks. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I assume when you say you cleaned everything that you cleaned out and > replaced the grease in the gearbox. That would be my first suspect. > Also, did you clean the commutator on the motor? What about brushes > and brush springs? Are they in good condition? Finally, is it faster > in reverse? There is a whole lot in the archive on that problem > involving the thrust washer at the front of the armature. > > Dale Smith > > mike wrote: > > > > > > Its a major gremlin! yea the reverse unit in the tender is set to > > forward and is locked in place. there are a few things that are wrong > > with some parts. on the wireing lumb one of the wires is broken and is > > soldered back togeather. could that be a probem? also when it is > > running when im holding the locomotive it does not seem to be spinning > > fast enough. Im an completely lost with this one! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56865	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

yeah, grease trap is clean and full of new grease. i took apart the power lumb from the tinder to the locomotive and i found that one of the wires was broken so i fixed it. it would run slow on the straight pieces but it stop on the cirved pieces. i think the problem is the thing behind the reverse wheel in the tinder. also when i would move the tinder from side to side it would move a very little bit. the brushes are in good shap. one of the springs is a little elongated compared to the other one. it is deffinitally slower in reverse then it is forward. mike j. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I assume when you say you cleaned everything that you cleaned out and > replaced the grease in the gearbox. That would be my first suspect. > Also, did you clean the commutator on the motor? What about brushes > and brush springs? Are they in good condition? Finally, is it faster > in reverse? There is a whole lot in the archive on that problem > involving the thrust washer at the front of the armature. > > Dale Smith > > mike wrote: > > > > > > Its a major gremlin! yea the reverse unit in the tender is set to > > forward and is locked in place. there are a few things that are wrong > > with some parts. on the wireing lumb one of the wires is broken and is > > soldered back togeather. could that be a probem? also when it is > > running when im holding the locomotive it does not seem to be spinning > > fast enough. Im an completely lost with this one! > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > Here is one thought toward a possible answer to your question. > > > I assume you are turning the transformer down just before you set > > the loco > > > on the track. If so, the reverse unit is cycling into "neutral" and no > > > voltage goes to loco when you next turn the transformer up, thus no > > power to > > > the loco. In case you aren't familiar with the reverse units they > > are a 4 > > > cycle piece. Each time you shut current down it cycles one more > > step, Forward, > > > neutral, reverse, neutral over and over. There is a lever on the bottom > > > of the tender that will lock the unit in any position you choose. > > Next time > > > you put power to the loco, move the lever to lock as the wheels are > > > turning forward. Then set the loco down and see if it now moves. If > > it doesn't > > > you have a gremlin......{:>) > > > > > > Steve > > > SnS Trains > > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/2009 8:48:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > civicman_97@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains > > from > > > my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. > > I am > > > currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and > > cleaned > > > everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. > > (the > > > tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the > > track to let > > > it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. > > even when > > > on full power. I have no idea why. Any help would be appreatiated! > > Thanks, > > > Mike J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56866	From: The Reardon's	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: 1997 Xmas Car

I have just recieved 2, 1997 "Flyonel" Christmas Boxcars. I have won two separate E-Bay auctions and they are both in like new condition with good boxes. I only need one, so.... if anyone else is looking for this car, I will send it for exactly what I paid for it ($31.00). If anyone is interested, contact me at preardon@... Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56867	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

Clean the axles on the tender, Clean and polish with fine sandpaper or scotch brite the place where the two brass spring contacts touch the axles in the tender. See what happens then. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mike To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer engine not working yeah, grease trap is clean and full of new grease. i took apart the power lumb from the tinder to the locomotive and i found that one of the wires was broken so i fixed it. it would run slow on the straight pieces but it stop on the cirved pieces. i think the problem is the thing behind the reverse wheel in the tinder. also when i would move the tinder from side to side it would move a very little bit. the brushes are in good shap. one of the springs is a little elongated compared to the other one. it is deffinitally slower in reverse then it is forward. mike j. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I assume when you say you cleaned everything that you cleaned out and > replaced the grease in the gearbox. That would be my first suspect. > Also, did you clean the commutator on the motor? What about brushes > and brush springs? Are they in good condition? Finally, is it faster > in reverse? There is a whole lot in the archive on that problem > involving the thrust washer at the front of the armature. > > Dale Smith > > mike wrote: > > > > > > Its a major gremlin! yea the reverse unit in the tender is set to > > forward and is locked in place. there are a few things that are wrong > > with some parts. on the wireing lumb one of the wires is broken and is > > soldered back togeather. could that be a probem? also when it is > > running when im holding the locomotive it does not seem to be spinning > > fast enough. Im an completely lost with this one! > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > Here is one thought toward a possible answer to your question. > > > I assume you are turning the transformer down just before you set > > the loco > > > on the track. If so, the reverse unit is cycling into "neutral" and no > > > voltage goes to loco when you next turn the transformer up, thus no > > power to > > > the loco. In case you aren't familiar with the reverse units they > > are a 4 > > > cycle piece. Each time you shut current down it cycles one more > > step, Forward, > > > neutral, reverse, neutral over and over. There is a lever on the bottom > > > of the tender that will lock the unit in any position you choose. > > Next time > > > you put power to the loco, move the lever to lock as the wheels are > > > turning forward. Then set the loco down and see if it now moves. If > > it doesn't > > > you have a gremlin......{:>) > > > > > > Steve > > > SnS Trains > > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/2009 8:48:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > civicman_97@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains > > from > > > my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. > > I am > > > currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and > > cleaned > > > everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. > > (the > > > tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the > > track to let > > > it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. > > even when > > > on full power. I have no idea why. Any help would be appreatiated! > > Thanks, > > > Mike J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13610 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13610 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56868	From: race944t	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

I wonder if the problem is a shorted driver in the engine. That would trip the breaker in the transformer and if the transformer doesn't have a breaker light you might not realize what's happening. "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56869	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

You might try carefully pressing the reverse unit fingers to the drum. These lose their spring property over time and use and sometimes make just enough contact spin the motor, yet will not pass enough current to flow when the motor is drawing enough current to move the engine. To test, use a toothpick to press the ends of the fingers one at a time to the drum. But watch out. If that is the problem the loco may take off when you find the problem finger(s) I usually replace the reverse unit fingers and polish the drum before doing anything else on a newly acquired loco. It's easy and you can eliminate that problem for a couple of bucks. Check out the clinics on the Port Lines website. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio > > yeah, grease trap is clean and full of new grease. i took apart the power lumb from the tinder to the locomotive and i found that one of the wires was broken so i fixed it. it would run slow on the straight pieces but it stop on the cirved pieces. i think the problem is the thing behind the reverse wheel in the tinder. also when i would move the tinder from side to side it would move a very little bit. the brushes are in good shap. one of the springs is a little elongated compared to the other one. it is deffinitally slower in reverse then it is forward. > mike j. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56870	From: michael prell	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: 735 Operating Coach

Does anyone know where I might purchase a #735 operating coach? Other than E-Bay? Thanks, Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56871	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Carl, Are you happy with American Model track. I'm torn between S Helper and A.M. I can't afford 19 switches so i will need to do it a couple of switches at a time. S Helper told me that A.M. track would corrode but A.M. said everyone was referring to the old HO brass track. I don't know what to do. What are your thoughts on the matter since you have A.M. track. Dagenais01@... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 11/2/2009 9:36:58 A.M. Central America Standard T, carl@... writes: Lots of good ideas for ballasting etc presented here. I use Roofing granules. They are usually available in light gray or black, sometimes in browns. I screen them through window screen to sort the size to be more scale like. My track is American Models with cork roadbed. I too presoak the ballast before gluing but use Windex glass cleaner instead of water. There are some new window cleaners that are clear now too. This helps the glue mixture penetrate more evenly than plain water. I then use a small squeeze bottle to dribble the glue mix onto the ballast and dab the excess off of the ties with a paper towel. I airbrush grungy brown between the rails to weather the ballast after it dries. Here is a photo link: _http://www.tuveson.http://www.thttp://wwhtt_ (http://www.tuveson.com/updates/ballast3.jpg) Works for me. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56872	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

The pick up wheels on the tender COULD be so worn into the side frames that they are shorting to the tender floor. I just repaired one that was so loose, the tender would derail after rocking it's way down the track. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:35:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, alizoo@... writes: Clean the axles on the tender, Clean and polish with fine sandpaper or scotch brite the place where the two brass spring contacts touch the axles in the tender. See what happens then. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mike To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer engine not working yeah, grease trap is clean and full of new grease. i took apart the power lumb from the tinder to the locomotive and i found that one of the wires was broken so i fixed it. it would run slow on the straight pieces but it stop on the cirved pieces. i think the problem is the thing behind the reverse wheel in the tinder. also when i would move the tinder from side to side it would move a very little bit. the brushes are in good shap. one of the springs is a little elongated compared to the other one. it is deffinitally slower in reverse then it is forward. mike j. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I assume when you say you cleaned everything that you cleaned out and > replaced the grease in the gearbox. That would be my first suspect. > Also, did you clean the commutator on the motor? What about brushes > and brush springs? Are they in good condition? Finally, is it faster > in reverse? There is a whole lot in the archive on that problem > involving the thrust washer at the front of the armature. > > Dale Smith > > mike wrote: > > > > > > Its a major gremlin! yea the reverse unit in the tender is set to > > forward and is locked in place. there are a few things that are wrong > > with some parts. on the wireing lumb one of the wires is broken and is > > soldered back togeather. could that be a probem? also when it is > > running when im holding the locomotive it does not seem to be spinning > > fast enough. Im an completely lost with this one! > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > Here is one thought toward a possible answer to your question. > > > I assume you are turning the transformer down just before you set > > the loco > > > on the track. If so, the reverse unit is cycling into "neutral" and no > > > voltage goes to loco when you next turn the transformer up, thus no > > power to > > > the loco. In case you aren't familiar with the reverse units they > > are a 4 > > > cycle piece. Each time you shut current down it cycles one more > > step, Forward, > > > neutral, reverse, neutral over and over. There is a lever on the bottom > > > of the tender that will lock the unit in any position you choose. > > Next time > > > you put power to the loco, move the lever to lock as the wheels are > > > turning forward. Then set the loco down and see if it now moves. If > > it doesn't > > > you have a gremlin......{:>) > > > > > > Steve > > > SnS Trains > > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/2009 8:48:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > civicman_97@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains > > from > > > my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. > > I am > > > currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and > > cleaned > > > everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. > > (the > > > tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the > > track to let > > > it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. > > even when > > > on full power. I have no idea why. Any help would be appreatiated! > > Thanks, > > > Mike J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13610 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13610 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56873	From: mike	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer engine not working

i think i may have gotten it. i took the tinder wheels off again and cleaned the backs of them and put them back on and it worked. thanks,Alistair! atleasted moving very slowly on a 4 foot section with a curve at the end. the transformer was on full speed. should the train take a little bit to get up to full speed? or do i still hae a problem? mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > The pick up wheels on the tender COULD be so worn into the side frames that > they are shorting to the tender floor. I just repaired one that was so > loose, the tender would derail after rocking it's way down the track. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:35:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > alizoo@... writes: > > Clean the axles on the tender, Clean and polish with fine sandpaper or > scotch brite the place where the two brass spring contacts touch the axles in > the tender. See what happens then. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mike > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:29 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer engine not working > > > yeah, grease trap is clean and full of new grease. i took apart the power > lumb from the tinder to the locomotive and i found that one of the wires > was broken so i fixed it. it would run slow on the straight pieces but it > stop on the cirved pieces. i think the problem is the thing behind the reverse > wheel in the tinder. also when i would move the tinder from side to side > it would move a very little bit. the brushes are in good shap. one of the > springs is a little elongated compared to the other one. it is deffinitally > slower in reverse then it is forward. > mike j. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > I assume when you say you cleaned everything that you cleaned out and > > replaced the grease in the gearbox. That would be my first suspect. > > Also, did you clean the commutator on the motor? What about brushes > > and brush springs? Are they in good condition? Finally, is it faster > > in reverse? There is a whole lot in the archive on that problem > > involving the thrust washer at the front of the armature. > > > > Dale Smith > > > > mike wrote: > > > > > > > > > Its a major gremlin! yea the reverse unit in the tender is set to > > > forward and is locked in place. there are a few things that are wrong > > > with some parts. on the wireing lumb one of the wires is broken and is > > > soldered back togeather. could that be a probem? also when it is > > > running when im holding the locomotive it does not seem to be spinning > > > fast enough. Im an completely lost with this one! > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is one thought toward a possible answer to your question. > > > > I assume you are turning the transformer down just before you set > > > the loco > > > > on the track. If so, the reverse unit is cycling into "neutral" and > no > > > > voltage goes to loco when you next turn the transformer up, thus no > > > power to > > > > the loco. In case you aren't familiar with the reverse units they > > > are a 4 > > > > cycle piece. Each time you shut current down it cycles one more > > > step, Forward, > > > > neutral, reverse, neutral over and over. There is a lever on the > bottom > > > > of the tender that will lock the unit in any position you choose. > > > Next time > > > > you put power to the loco, move the lever to lock as the wheels are > > > > turning forward. Then set the loco down and see if it now moves. If > > > it doesn't > > > > you have a gremlin......{:>) > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > SnS Trains > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/2009 8:48:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > > civicman_97@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi yall! i have inhareted a huge collection of American FLyer trains > > > > from > > > > my great uncle and im in the process of cleaning and restoring them. > > > I am > > > > currently working on engine 322ac. I have taken it all appart and > > > cleaned > > > > everything. The problem is it runs fine when it is not on the track. > > > > (the > > > > tinder is on the track and im holding the locomotive off of the > > > track to let > > > > it spin freely).But when i put the loco on the track it wont move. > > > even when > > > > on full power. I have no idea why. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56874	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/2/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

AM track will not corrode. It is a brass alloy and I have no issue with corrosion. Both AM and SHS are good systems. SHS is a code 125 modular system that easy to use and has the roadbed built in. The turnouts are number 5? I believe and are a tight radius though but they have the switch throw built in. AM is code 148 and can be a bit more scale like but requires more work to ballast etc. The Turnouts are 27" raduis but require a ground throw or switch machine. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dagenais01@... Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Ballast, grass, etc. Carl, Are you happy with American Model track. I'm torn between S Helper and A.M. I can't afford 19 switches so i will need to do it a couple of switches at a time. S Helper told me that A.M. track would corrode but A.M. said everyone was referring to the old HO brass track. I don't know what to do. What are your thoughts on the matter since you have A.M. track. Dagenais01@... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 11/2/2009 9:36:58 A.M. Central America Standard T, carl@... writes: Lots of good ideas for ballasting etc presented here. I use Roofing granules. They are usually available in light gray or black, sometimes in browns. I screen them through window screen to sort the size to be more scale like. My track is American Models with cork roadbed. I too presoak the ballast before gluing but use Windex glass cleaner instead of water. There are some new window cleaners that are clear now too. This helps the glue mixture penetrate more evenly than plain water. I then use a small squeeze bottle to dribble the glue mix onto the ballast and dab the excess off of the ties with a paper towel. I airbrush grungy brown between the rails to weather the ballast after it dries. Here is a photo link: _http://www.tuveson.http://www.thttp://wwhtt_ (http://www.tuveson.com/updates/ballast3.jpg) Works for me. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56875	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: 735 Operating Coach

If you don't mind the drive the First Frost train meet in Allentown PA is coming up on the 14th & 15th. This show has been pretty good for Flyer lately. --- On Mon, 11/2/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 735 Operating Coach To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:45 PM   Does anyone know where I might purchase a #735 operating coach? Other than E-Bay? Thanks, Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56876	From: Jerry	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: 735 Operating Coach

Hey MIke, The Fall S Fest is this weekend in Rockford, IL. There's bound to be one there. If you're not going, maybe someone you know can look for one for you. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 Spring S Spree Dearborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might purchase a #735 operating coach? Other than E-Bay? > Thanks, > Mike Prell > > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56877	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Thanks to all for the many suggestions. I like the quarry dust idea the best, imagine it to be the best color, and I can sift it to be the right size. I'll be sure to use lots of 50/50 glue mix with a drop of detergent, spray it on I think with a little spray bottle until soaked pretty well. I did this with my Kittie Liter and it was a full day before any sign of glue disappeared, but it did in fact disappear leaving a very nice tight roadbed. And I'll use the Gargraves electrical track connectors mentioned on my stainless track. The only issue I am left with is the bending of this less then flexible stainless stuff. It should be possible to bend it with a jig, and I have thought about sandwiching a radius made of 1/2" plywood, between two more pieces of plywood. I would then slip the track section into sandwich and bend it around that radius. Am I crazy? Is the non-matching copper/brass flex track the only other alternative? thanks again, Dave carl@... wrote: > > > > Lots of good ideas for ballasting etc presented here. > > I use Roofing granules. They are usually available in light gray or black, > sometimes in browns. I screen them through window screen to sort the size to > be more scale like. My track is American Models with cork roadbed. > > I too presoak the ballast before gluing but use Windex glass cleaner > instead of water. There are some new window cleaners that are clear now too. > This helps the glue mixture penetrate more evenly than plain water. I then > use a small squeeze bottle to dribble the glue mix onto the ballast and dab > the excess off of the ties with a paper towel. I airbrush grungy brown > between the rails to weather the ballast after it dries. > > Here is a photo link: > http://www.tuveson.com/updates/ballast3.jpg > <http://www.tuveson.com/updates/ballast3.jpg> > Works for me. > > Carl > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56878	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Go on the wild side, take a look at www.classictrains.com track. I am using it and I have no problems with the switches. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dagenais01@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Ballast, grass, etc. Carl, Are you happy with American Model track. I'm torn between S Helper and A.M. I can't afford 19 switches so i will need to do it a couple of switches at a time. S Helper told me that A.M. track would corrode but A.M. said everyone was referring to the old HO brass track. I don't know what to do. What are your thoughts on the matter since you have A.M. track. Dagenais01@... Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 11/2/2009 9:36:58 A.M. Central America Standard T, carl@... writes: Lots of good ideas for ballasting etc presented here. I use Roofing granules. They are usually available in light gray or black, sometimes in browns. I screen them through window screen to sort the size to be more scale like. My track is American Models with cork roadbed. I too presoak the ballast before gluing but use Windex glass cleaner instead of water. There are some new window cleaners that are clear now too. This helps the glue mixture penetrate more evenly than plain water. I then use a small squeeze bottle to dribble the glue mix onto the ballast and dab the excess off of the ties with a paper towel. I airbrush grungy brown between the rails to weather the ballast after it dries. Here is a photo link: _http://www.tuveson.http://www.thttp://wwhtt_ (http://www.tuveson.com/updates/ballast3.jpg) Works for me. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56879	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Building a free website just got easier

Hello Trains Friends, One of my train friends called yesterday asking about websites. Because I program very complex sites for a living I am pretty familiar with all the methods. When folks ask me about building website I have some great news for them. It is now cheap and easy. The hardest part will be figuring out what stuff (content) you want on your site. *No HTML* coding is required. My tool of choice is 'Google Sites' , a free Google service. watch this YouTube video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD-4FRTzxkI> Go to Gmail.com and create a Google account. (If you don't already have one.) For managing your content, I recommend you 1) For online photos - Google Albums http://picasaweb.google.com 2) For managing and editing photos on your PC - http://picasa.google.com<http://picasa.google.com/> 3) Take a look at Google Docs, they can be easily displayed on your site. 4) YouTube videos are easily intergrated. I have switched my sites to Google Sites: http://owlwatch.org http://paulyorke.com http://classof70.org The only cost is registering your site name, your URL Not a requirement, but suggested. That costs about 9 bucks per year. without that your site url would be... http://sites.google.com/site/yoursitename vs. http://owlwatch.org/ (PS. Steve your stupid AOL account is blocking me from sending you this note directly (not so good for business). No wonder I hate AOL.) -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56880	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] November 4 in toy train history - Zippy the Pinhead

Today is the day, the Zippy print using my photos of my painted Plasticville Frosty Bar, which is from the 1950's hits the papers. Below is my email in response to Joseph's This Day in Toy Train History. There is a link below to the comic, as the signed print I have is more colorful. I attached pictures of my print so you can compare with the link below. The list will not get this pictures. The print is between a original 1930's Chessie Calendar print and the Gaithersburg, MD train station. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [toytrains] November 4 in toy train history - Zippy the Pinhead Joseph, Very well written. Great explanation of what Zippy is all about. Yes, today is the day that this strip is in newspapers, not many all over the country. I have known about this since September, as I already have a signed color print in my train room. Here is a link to the comic in the SF Chronicle. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/comics/Zippy_the_Pinhead_Color.dtl In the last frame, is where I get my tip for letting Zippy know about this. I have been sending Bill Griffith photos of statues and buildings for years to get into the comic with Zippy visiting, as he loves Diners, especially ones in New Jersey. But what makes the cut for me? A painted up Frosty Bar. LOL Bill told me a while ago, that he had trains and building, not sure what buildings, but possibly PLasticville, as a kid. Now I need to continue and have Zippy visit WPLA TV station. Zippy has been to Maple Donuts in York, PA several times. The interesting thing is, the color print I purchased from Bill Griffith is more colorful, but that is fine about the one in the SF paper, as most papers comics are in Black and White. I do know that the Boston Globe has comics in color and they do carry Zippy. And just to show you how much I love Zippy I am moderator of Zippy the Pinhead on Yahoo with a total of 24 members, 3 are in the TCA. LOL Ah, what a great day for Plasticville. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: jlechner2001 To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: [toytrains] November 4 in toy train history - Zippy the Pinhead "Zippy the Pinhead" will appear in the comics section of hundreds of newspapers today, as it has every day for the past 24 years. Zippy, a middle-aged man who wears a yellow muu-muu with red polka dots, is loosely based on William Henry Johnson (aka "Zip the Pinhead"), who was a sideshow attraction for P. T. Barnum and later for the Ringling Brothers Circus from 1857 until his death in 1926. Artist Bill Griffith often depicts his characters in accurately-drawn scenes based on photos of real places that are sent to him by readers. Contributors are acknowledged with a "Tip of th' Pin", which is itself an homage to cartoonist Jimmy Hatlo ("They'll Do It Every Time") who used to thank his fans with "A tip of the Hatlo hat" for their suggestions. Griffith's web site indexes the real places that Zippy has visited on a clickable map of the United States. Zippy has been to York PA on several occasions, and he is very fond of Maple Donuts. http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ZTP&Category_Code=rss Today's comic strip is very special. This is, to my knowledge, the first time Zippy has visited a toy train layout. TTMLer Mike Marmer sent Griffith photos of the large S gauge layout he has been building in Germantown MD. Through magic that is only possible in the comics, Zippy has shrunk to one inch tall. He has been elected president of Plasticville, and he is sitting on a stool in the Frosty Bar sipping a milkshake. All perspective is shattered in the final frame, when a full-size hand reaches down to pick him up and throw him on the tracks. Congratulations, and "a tip of th' pin", to Mike Marmer for publicizing the hobby in a most unusual way. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56881	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: 735 Operating Coach

Thanks to all who've answered my request about this car. Just to let y'all know, I've located a seller almost immediately after posting. This is what continues to humble me about this group! No one's out to screw  or screw with anyone, and you're always right there to lend help when asked. My best to all of you. Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56882	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: S-Trax For sale

Hay Guys, I just purchased 5 new unopened boxes of 10" straight and 1 box of curve track and 1 left handed turnout, of the S-Trax that I do not need, I have bought another track system and I can not use the track. I will sell it all for less then what I paid for it. Make me an offer on it all, plus $18.00 shipping. I will furnish my original invoice. Thanks, Phil Recent Activity * 3 _New Members_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY29rZjk4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRs BHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjU3MjM2NTMy) * 6 _New Photos_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbGRvdmt1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHN sawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjU3MjM2NTMy) _Visit Your Group _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZGpkdmI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBH NsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNTcyMzY1MzI-) Yahoo! Finance _It's Now Personal_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14hkprrip/M=493064.12016257.12445664.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1257243732/L=/B=.qd5 HUPDhCw-/J=1257236532977937/K=1kaZ5k4KPOi0vczmB9h9jg/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4 rskk/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-fi nance) Guides, news, advice & more. Drive Traffic _Sponsored Search_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14h68181i/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1257243732/L=/B=.6d5H UPDhCw-/J=1257236532977937/K=1kaZ5k4KPOi0vczmB9h9jg/A=4025338/R=0/SIG=12jnci 1fd/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srch /index.php) can help increase your site traffic. Group Charity _Give a laptop_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14hipng62/M=737447.13475021.13554044.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1257243732/L=/B=_Kd5HUPD hCw-/J=1257236532977937/K=1kaZ5k4KPOi0vczmB9h9jg/A=5733763/R=0/SIG=11o233dqm /*http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=yahoogroups?node=721521011) Get a laptop: One laptop per child . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56883	From: Jim	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: 316

I recently purchased a 316 K-type off ebay. It's very dirty with some corrosion, but looks complete. Curiously, this engine also has a white stripe on the side of the engine, like the ones you see on a 293. Is this a factory job, or something a previous owner applied later? Can't seem to find a picture of another 316 to compare it to. Thanks. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56884	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: 316

Jim,      That is not original to the #316. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 316 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 2:06 PM   I recently purchased a 316 K-type off ebay. It's very dirty with some corrosion, but looks complete. Curiously, this engine also has a white stripe on the side of the engine, like the ones you see on a 293. Is this a factory job, or something a previous owner applied later? Can't seem to find a picture of another 316 to compare it to. Thanks. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56885	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] November 4 in toy train history - Zippy the Pinh

Now all you need is an S-scale Zippy to sit at the Frosty Bar. Maybe you could even make one ala John Allen. Dale snip - Here is a link to the comic in the SF Chronicle. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/comics/Zippy_the_Pinhead_Color.dtl <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/comics/Zippy_the_Pinhead_Color.dtl> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56886	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: 316

Thanks, Dave. The guy did a nice job, but I suspected it was added later. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave at LBR Enterprises" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:44:20 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 316 Jim, That is not original to the #316. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Jim < jimensign50@... > wrote: From: Jim < jimensign50@... > Subject: [S-Trains] 316 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 2:06 PM I recently purchased a 316 K-type off ebay. It's very dirty with some corrosion, but looks complete. Curiously, this engine also has a white stripe on the side of the engine, like the ones you see on a 293. Is this a factory job, or something a previous owner applied later? Can't seem to find a picture of another 316 to compare it to. Thanks. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56887	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2009
Subject: Re: S-Trax For sale

Up Date on the "S" Track for sale: 5 boxes 00258 10 " straight 1ea 00671 5" Accessory w/ button 1 ea 00299 #3 control left hand switch 2 ea 00395 Connector, Insulated 8 ea bags of track connector pins All new, never taken out of the box. Still taped. All must go. Phil Dagenais 870-453-7925 In a message dated 11/4/2009 12:37:12 P.M. Central America Standard , Dagenais01@... writes: Hay Guys, I just purchased 5 new unopened boxes of 10" straight and 1 box of curve track and 1 left handed turnout, of the S-Trax that I do not need, I have bought another track system and I can not use the track. I will sell it all for less then what I paid for it. Make me an offer on it all, plus $18.00 shipping. I will furnish my original invoice. Thanks, Phil Recent Activity * 3 _New Members_ (_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://grhttp://groups.<Whttp://grou ps.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://g_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY29rZjk4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdy cElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRs) BHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGlBHNsawN2bWJycwRzBHNsawN * 6 _New Photos_ (_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://grouhttp://groups.<Whttp://gr oups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbGRvdmt1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdyc ElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHN) sawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQ _Visit Your Group _ (_http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp ://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://grou_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZGpkdmI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBG dycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBH) NsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lANsawN2Z2hwBHN0aNsawN2 Yahoo! Finance _It's Now Personal_ (_http://us.ard.http://us.http://us.ard.http://ushttp://ushttp://ushttp://us .http://ushttp://us.ahttp://us.ahttp://us.ard.http://us_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14hkprrip/M=493064.12016257.12445664.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818 :NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1257243732/L=/B=.qd5) HUPDhCw-/J=12572365HUPDhCw-/HUPDhCw-/J=12572HUPDhCw-/HUPDhCw-/JHUPDhCw-/J=12 rskk/*_http://us.rd.http://us.http://us.http://us.rd.<WBhttp://us.http://ush t_ (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-fi) nance) Guides, news, advice & more. Drive Traffic _Sponsored Search_ (_http://us.ard.http://us.http://us.ard.http://ushttp://ushttp://ushttp://us .http://ushttp://us.ahttp://us.ahttp://us.ard.http://us._ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14h68181i/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=groups/S=170653381 8:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1257243732/L=/B=.6d5H) UPDhCw-/J=125723653UPDhCw-/J=UPDhCw-/J=125723UPDhCw-/JUPDhCw-/J=UPDhCw-/J=12 1fd/*_http://us.rd.http://us.http://us.http://us.rd.<WBhttp://us.rd.http://u _ (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srch) /index.php) can help increase your site traffic. Group Charity _Give a laptop_ (_http://us.ard.http://us.http://us.ard.http://ushttp://ushttp://ushttp://us .http://ushttp://us.ahttp://us.ahttp://us.ard.http://us.ard_ (http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14hipng62/M=737447.13475021.13554044.8674578/D=groups/S=170653 3818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1257243732/L=/B=_Kd5HUPD) hCw-/J=125723653297hCw-/J=125723653hCw-/J=1257236hCw-/J=125hCw-/J=125723653h /*_http://www.amazon.http://wwwhttp://www.ahttp://www.ama_ (http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=yahoogroups?node=721521011) ) Get a laptop: One laptop per child . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56888	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

Found this listing on Ebay. Looks to me like the 1947 version by the tender lettering, not the rarer 1946 version? TM lists this at $550 and this is set for a minimum bid of $2000. I wonder if he will get it. Item number: 180427761938 In case link below doesn't work. http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Trains-S-Gauge-Scale-Locomotives-Misc_W0QQitemZ180427761938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a02552912 Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56889	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)

Only if the buyer is high on Crack! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56890	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: A correction in direction?

In recent discussions at train shows and at the shop, the demise of the model and toy train hobby has been getting a lot of play again. With rumors of Lionel's and Atlas O's money problems and the announcement that Horizon Distributors will no longer manufacture repair parts or kits in their captive Athearn and Model Die Casting/Roundhouse HO lines, folks are getting uneasy. Are there going to be parts around to keep trains running in the future? Along with the troubles of a poor economy, and an aging hobbyist base, must we add a growing lack of repair parts to our problems? Fortunately, we in S have relied on aftermarket suppliers for repair parts for a long time for Flyer. But remember, the parts business is one of high initial investment and agonizingly slow return, so it isn't only the major manufacturers who are having problems supplying parts. Train shows are hurting as vendors (including parts dealers)attend less shows, concentrate only on the big ones, or are going all internet. Most dealers have found that they must cut prices or risk turning into "traveling museums." Thing look bleak, don't they? However, as old Mark Twain once said: "Reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated." It's the same with our hobby! Those of us who play with our trains...still are! Some collectors are using this time to restore what they already have if they can't afford to buy more, and some are building the layout that they never got around to doing before. Folks who have never built anything are trying some of the nice structure kits available, or doing scenery for the first time. If nothing else, the economic situation and the graying of the hobby might be changing our focus. We're all finding a way to keep going! Looking at the average age of the people I see in this hobby today, we have about twenty more years to go before today's kids put our hobby in the scrap line. Maybe a little "correction in direction" will keep us going until then? Stumpy Stone...you can have my trains when you pry them from my cold, dead hand...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56891	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

Hey, everything on Ebay is rare. LOL This is just part of the sellers marketing strategy, as hopefully he will catch a uneducated buyer, most likely not. But you never know. And it is rare LOL since they are no longer made. Does not mean it is very valuable. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay) Found this listing on Ebay. Looks to me like the 1947 version by the tender lettering, not the rarer 1946 version? TM lists this at $550 and this is set for a minimum bid of $2000. I wonder if he will get it. Item number: 180427761938 In case link below doesn't work. http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Trains-S-Gauge-Scale-Locomotives-Misc_W0QQitemZ180427761938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a02552912 Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56892	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Hey, everything on Ebay is rare. LOL > > This is just part of the sellers marketing strategy, as hopefully he > will catch a uneducated buyer, most likely not. No kidding! I admin a list with several thousand members for folks who collect the old Jaguar e-type sports cars. There is a guy on eBay selling a rusty pile of unsalvageable parts that used to be a car and when one of the guys who runs a Jaguar restoration shop asked him how much he thought it should really be worth, he responded, "Obviously you know nothing about the value of these cars." ;-) We all had a good chuckle over that one. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56893	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)

and he muses - I can't help but notice that the seller has had no activity since April 2008 (and then only one purchase). His auction is (to understate) optimistic - An asking price of $2,000.00 with one photo and a one line description hardly instills confidence that he knows what he is selling and what (pray tell) are the "Misc" he alludes to?. He is obviously an amateur. BTW - wouldn't an SIT loco have the reverse slot in the boiler? Raleigh in partly cloudy (for now) Maine At 06:59 AM 11/5/2009, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > >Only if the buyer is high on Crack! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56894	From: Bob	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle

I hope somebody can help me . When my air chime whistle is hooked up ( checked to make sure it's hooked up right ) I can't get any power to the tracks.Any suggestions ? Thanks in advance , Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56895	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle

The probable answer is that the steam generator tube vibrator)is bad. The Track voltage goes through it and the contacts are probably burned or open. Try smacking it a bit to jar the contacts loose? Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56896	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle

From Alan Lambert One good source would be Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies. check his website for more info. Thanks, � Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Bob <segie@...> wrote: From: Bob <segie@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Air chime whistle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 9:24 AM   I hope somebody can help me . When my air chime whistle is hooked up ( checked to make sure it's hooked up right ) I can't get any power to the tracks.Any suggestions ? Thanks in advance , Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56897	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)

Rollain Mercier wrote: > I can't help but notice that the seller has had no activity since > April 2008 (and then only one purchase). His auction is (to > understate) optimistic - An asking price of $2,000.00 with one photo > and a one line description hardly instills confidence that he knows > what he is selling and what (pray tell) are the "Misc" he alludes > to?. He is obviously an amateur. The other thing that you have to watch out for is hijacked eBay accounts with fraudulent auctions. They send out thousands of "official" looking e-mails asking folks to log in and verify their information. That link usually points to a server overseas where they collect the info and use it to hijack eBay and financial accounts. I've seen them ask for credit card numbers, pin numbers, and the CVV code as well. No responsible organization will *ever* request that information via e-mail. They usually grab a photo or two somewhere on the Internet and post a quick auction, usually for three days or less. Another red flag is a request to contact them through private e-mail and not the eBay system or a "buy it now" price with no eBay BIN link. They then collect the payment and move on to another sucker, never having merchandise to sell in the first place. Always do your homework and beware if a deal sound too good to be true. I teach a computer security class at the local community college and we cover this all of the time. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56898	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)

If someone buys this without doing any research, then so be it. Sad, but buyers most do the research on anything they are not sure of. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollain Mercier To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay) and he muses - I can't help but notice that the seller has had no activity since April 2008 (and then only one purchase). His auction is (to understate) optimistic - An asking price of $2,000.00 with one photo and a one line description hardly instills confidence that he knows what he is selling and what (pray tell) are the "Misc" he alludes to?. He is obviously an amateur. BTW - wouldn't an SIT loco have the reverse slot in the boiler? Raleigh in partly cloudy (for now) Maine At 06:59 AM 11/5/2009, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > >Only if the buyer is high on Crack! Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56899	From: Jim V	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)

Greetings to all! I have been monitoring this list for more than a few years and have found the info and spirit of fellowship second to none.  Now I am in need of some input and advice. Both of the referenced Diesels seem to have some sort of contact problem (the 8150 is the worse of the 2) - partucurlary going forward.  It moves less that an inch and shuts down, if it does move, it's not for long and than an abrupt stop (which derails a few of the cars), very frustrating.  I have compromised in putting the powered unit last but this while an improvement is also is undependable.  The units have been serviced and on run the test bench (not on track) they operate flawlessly. I seem to recall some remarks about a problem with the Erie ALCO's and there was a repair kit? but I have only a faint recollection.  Anyway, I sure would be grateful for any insight and a remedy. Many thanks, JimmyV

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56900	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

If you noticed he only has 1 ebay sale. It is possible he just doesn't know the value and is fishing......Yes, it is the 1947 model. Steve SnS Trains...Boise In a message dated 11/05/2009 4:52:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, dfsmith26@... writes: Found this listing on Ebay. Looks to me like the 1947 version by the tender lettering, not the rarer 1946 version? TM lists this at $550 and this is set for a minimum bid of $2000. I wonder if he will get it. Item number: 180427761938 In case link below doesn't work. _http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebahttp://cgi.ehttp:// cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebay.htt_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Trains-S-Gauge-Scale-Locomotives-Misc_W0Q QitemZ180427761938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a02552912) Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56901	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)

The best fix I know of is to replace the motors with SnS can motors. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/05/2009 1:42:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimmyv42@... writes: Greetings to all! I have been monitoring this list for more than a few years and have found the info and spirit of fellowship second to none. Now I am in need of some input and advice. Both of the referenced Diesels seem to have some sort of contact problem (the 8150 is the worse of the 2) - partucurlary going forward. It moves less that an inch and shuts down, if it does move, it's not for long and than an abrupt stop (which derails a few of the cars), very frustrating. I have compromised in putting the powered unit last but this while an improvement is also is undependable. The units have been serviced and on run the test bench (not on track) they operate flawlessly. I seem to recall some remarks about a problem with the Erie ALCO's and there was a repair kit? but I have only a faint recollection. Anyway, I sure would be grateful for any insight and a remedy. Many thanks, JimmyV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56902	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)

The Erie PA used the old style AC Gilbert power truck with a dual wound field coil and electronic reverse unit. There was a fix for overheating: http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic18.htm But it sounds like you may have a mechanical alignment issue of the field winding causing binding in one direction under load. There are adjustment screws in the yoke to center the field assembly around the armature. Carl In a message dated 11/05/2009 1:42:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimmyv42@... writes: Greetings to all! I have been monitoring this list for more than a few years and have found the info and spirit of fellowship second to none. Now I am in need of some input and advice. Both of the referenced Diesels seem to have some sort of contact problem (the 8150 is the worse of the 2) - partucurlary going forward. It moves less that an inch and shuts down, if it does move, it's not for long and than an abrupt stop (which derails a few of the cars), very frustrating. I have compromised in putting the powered unit last but this while an improvement is also is undependable. The units have been serviced and on run the test bench (not on track) they operate flawlessly. I seem to recall some remarks about a problem with the Erie ALCO's and there was a repair kit? but I have only a faint recollection. Anyway, I sure would be grateful for any insight and a remedy. Many thanks, JimmyV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56903	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)

All early Flyonel Diesel where terrible. Take's Steve's advice and replace the motors with his. Steve has done allot of work for me and one was replacing the motor on the same type of AF Lionel Diesel. Works great now! And he might be able to add sound to it, as he die with mine, as it was converted to DCC, so I am not sure if that is possible if you are not doing a DCC conversion. If you do have Steve do this, I expect a small commission on this repair, Steve. LOL JUST KIDDING. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150) The best fix I know of is to replace the motors with SnS can motors. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/05/2009 1:42:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimmyv42@... writes: Greetings to all! I have been monitoring this list for more than a few years and have found the info and spirit of fellowship second to none. Now I am in need of some input and advice. Both of the referenced Diesels seem to have some sort of contact problem (the 8150 is the worse of the 2) - partucurlary going forward. It moves less that an inch and shuts down, if it does move, it's not for long and than an abrupt stop (which derails a few of the cars), very frustrating. I have compromised in putting the powered unit last but this while an improvement is also is undependable. The units have been serviced and on run the test bench (not on track) they operate flawlessly. I seem to recall some remarks about a problem with the Erie ALCO's and there was a repair kit? but I have only a faint recollection. Anyway, I sure would be grateful for any insight and a remedy. Many thanks, JimmyV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56904	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (eBay)

and he notes - Ten years and 5,000 transactions - I've seen em all. Raleigh in Maine At 11:42 AM 11/5/2009, George Cohn wrote: > > >Rollain Mercier wrote: > > > I can't help but notice that the seller has had no activity since > > April 2008 (and then only one purchase). His auction is (to > > understate) optimistic - An asking price of $2,000.00 with one photo > > and a one line description hardly instills confidence that he knows > > what he is selling and what (pray tell) are the "Misc" he alludes > > to?. He is obviously an amateur. > >The other thing that you have to watch out for is hijacked eBay accounts >with fraudulent auctions. > >They send out thousands of "official" looking e-mails asking folks to >log in and verify their information. That link usually points to a >server overseas where they collect the info and use it to hijack eBay >and financial accounts. I've seen them ask for credit card numbers, pin >numbers, and the CVV code as well. No responsible organization will >*ever* request that information via e-mail. > >They usually grab a photo or two somewhere on the Internet and post a >quick auction, usually for three days or less. Another red flag is a >request to contact them through private e-mail and not the eBay system >or a "buy it now" price with no eBay BIN link. > >They then collect the payment and move on to another sucker, never >having merchandise to sell in the first place. > >Always do your homework and beware if a deal sound too good to be true. >I teach a computer security class at the local community college and we >cover this all of the time. > >George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56905	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

and he asks - Didn't the 1947 tender have a rubber stamped "American Flyer" marking? And didn't it have the slot on the boiler for the reverse unit? Raleigh in rainey Mainey At 01:34 PM 11/5/2009, boss31@... wrote: > > >If you noticed he only has 1 ebay sale. It is possible he just doesn't know >the value and is fishing......Yes, it is the 1947 model. > >Steve >SnS Trains...Boise > > >In a message dated 11/05/2009 4:52:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, ><mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>dfsmith26@... writes: > >Found this listing on Ebay. Looks to me like the 1947 version by the >tender lettering, not the rarer 1946 version? TM lists this at $550 >and this is set for a minimum bid of $2000. I wonder if he will get it. > >Item number: 180427761938 In case link below doesn't work. > >_<http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebahttp://cgi.ehttp://>http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebahttp://cgi.ehttp:// ><cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebay.htt_>cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.ebay.htt_ > >(<http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Trains-S-Gauge-Scale-Locomotives-Misc_W0Q>http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Trains-S-Gauge-Scale-Locomotives-Misc_W0Q >QitemZ180427761938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2a02552912) > >Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56906	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)

I had the same problem with my Sante Fe and the SP Alco A units.  I followed Steve's advice and had no regrets...  --- On Thu, 11/5/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:48 PM   The best fix I know of is to replace the motors with SnS can motors. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/05/2009 1:42:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimmyv42@yahoo. com writes: Greetings to all! I have been monitoring this list for more than a few years and have found the info and spirit of fellowship second to none. Now I am in need of some input and advice. Both of the referenced Diesels seem to have some sort of contact problem (the 8150 is the worse of the 2) - partucurlary going forward. It moves less that an inch and shuts down, if it does move, it's not for long and than an abrupt stop (which derails a few of the cars), very frustrating. I have compromised in putting the powered unit last but this while an improvement is also is undependable. The units have been serviced and on run the test bench (not on track) they operate flawlessly. I seem to recall some remarks about a problem with the Erie ALCO's and there was a repair kit? but I have only a faint recollection. Anyway, I sure would be grateful for any insight and a remedy. Many thanks, JimmyV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56907	From: barb	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Speaking of Ballast...

Hi y'all, Since we have been speaking of ballast, I thought I would add my few comments and send a couple of photos. I am using traditional American Flyer track. But I have discovered a wonderful addtion to the track that makes it look so much more realistic, especially when ballasted. The addition is ties. Now I know this is not a new idea but I just had to share this. The ties are the same size as the original AF ties and stained dark brown. They are produced by our very own Jim Lyle. Since he makes them, there is a limitless supply. I don't mean this to be an advertisement to sell Jim's ties, but a picture is worth a thousand words. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_0697 In this photo, you can see the AF track to the left and to the right the track with the ties. Then check the next photo and see how it looks ballasted. Oh, before you go look, please note that I do the same thing as Carl Tuveson. I use roofing granuals for ballast. I have mixed a light grey and thunder grey to get the color I wanted. It is glued with 50 - 50 water and Elmer's glue with a few drops of Joy dishwashing soap added. Check it out.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56908	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle

Hi Bob, Green Wire goes from the Whistle Control Box to the 690 Track Terminal on the track.  Yellow Wire goes from the Whistle Control Box to the 15 Volt Post on the Transformer.  Red wire goes from the Whistle Control Box to the center post on the transformer,  Black wire goes from the Whistle Control box the the Base Post on the transformer.  Another Black wire goes from the 690 Track Terminal to the Base Post on the transformer.� Power to the track goes through the Whistle Control Box to the transformer. � Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Bob <segie@...> wrote: From: Bob <segie@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Air chime whistle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:24 AM   I hope somebody can help me . When my air chime whistle is hooked up ( checked to make sure it's hooked up right ) I can't get any power to the tracks.Any suggestions ? Thanks in advance , Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56909	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Fw: PLasticville Muffler Man

I have to find a toy muffler man. Mr. Griffith told me he would love to see a Plasticville Muffler man. None exist, but I bet if I can find a toy plastic one of some kind, I might be able to come up with another entry into a Zippy comic. Help me with this quest to find the great plastic muffler man!! In O/S scale. LOL It would be a another small step for Plasticville, and a giant leap for model traindom. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: PLasticville Muffler Man > I'd love to see a Plasticville Muffler Man----BG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56910	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

Note the herald is not boxed in. This is appropriate for the 1947 tender. "American Flyer Lines" is also appropriate. Also note the smoke fluid filler cap on the right front top of the tender. Only 1947 meets all these criteria. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/05/2009 5:05:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, raleigh15@... writes: Didn't the 1947 tender have a rubber stamped "American Flyer" marking? And didn't it have the slot on the boiler for the reverse unit? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56911	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

Hi Steve, � I believe you are correct and I think the seller is fishing.  It wasn't too long ago when another 1947 332 was on ebay.  He may have seen the final price and since he had one, out it on ebay. Though many of the groups comments may think $2000 is a high price for this locomotive, they should check into the rarity.  Greenberg booked it in excellent condition at $2400.  The locomotive only came in the Complete Railroad System and maybe in one passenger set in 1947 and only DC with American Flyer Lines in silver letters. � Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 11/5/09, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:34 PM   If you noticed he only has 1 ebay sale. It is possible he just doesn't know the value and is fishing..... .Yes, it is the 1947 model. Steve SnS Trains...Boise In a message dated 11/05/2009 4:52:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, dfsmith26@att. net writes: Found this listing on Ebay. Looks to me like the 1947 version by the tender lettering, not the rarer 1946 version? TM lists this at $550 and this is set for a minimum bid of $2000. I wonder if he will get it. Item number: 180427761938 In case link below doesn't work. _http://cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebhttp:// cgi.ebhttp: //cgi.ebahttp: //cgi..ehttp: // cgi.ebay.http: //cgi.ebay. http://cgi. ebay.http: //cgi.ebhttp: //cgi.ebay. htt_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/American- Flyer-Trains- S-Gauge-Scale- Locomotives- Misc_W0Q QitemZ180427761938Q QcmdZViewItemQQp tZModel_RR_ Trains?hash= item2a02552912) Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56912	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

and he notes - That would make the tender 1947 but what about the loco? Shouldn't it have the reverse mechanism slot on the boiler? Raleigh in Rainey Maine At 10:37 PM 11/5/2009, boss31@... wrote: > > >Note the herald is not boxed in. This is appropriate for the 1947 tender. >"American Flyer Lines" is also appropriate. Also note the smoke fluid >filler cap on the right front top of the tender. Only 1947 meets all these >criteria. > >Steve >Boise > > >In a message dated 11/05/2009 5:05:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ><mailto:raleigh15%40myfairpoint.net>raleigh15@... writes: > >Didn't the 1947 tender have a rubber stamped "American Flyer" >marking? And didn't it have the slot on the boiler for the reverse unit? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56913	From: Jim	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Another 316 Surprise

Oh Boy. I finally had some time to start tearing down my 316 project. I was surprised to find a DC motor in it. My reference says Flyer used DC in some 332, 334, and 342 models. Anyone want to hazard a guess on this one? How about suggestions if i want to take it back to AC - is it just a matter of trading out the field and re-wiring? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56914	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

1947 332 Northern were DC. No Reverse Unit.  1947 0-8-0 342 were also DC. Both with Smoke in Tender.  You may find a 342 with AC. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> wrote: From: Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 7:14 AM   and he notes - That would make the tender 1947 but what about the loco? Shouldn't it have the reverse mechanism slot on the boiler? Raleigh in Rainey Maine At 10:37 PM 11/5/2009, boss31@... wrote: > > >Note the herald is not boxed in. This is appropriate for the 1947 tender. >"American Flyer Lines" is also appropriate. Also note the smoke fluid >filler cap on the right front top of the tender. Only 1947 meets all these >criteria. > >Steve >Boise > > >In a message dated 11/05/2009 5:05:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ><mailto:raleigh15% 40myfairpoint. net>raleigh15@myfairpoi nt.net writes: > >Didn't the 1947 tender have a rubber stamped "American Flyer" >marking? And didn't it have the slot on the boiler for the reverse unit? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56915	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise

You should change out both the field and armature. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/06/2009 11:39:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: Oh Boy. I finally had some time to start tearing down my 316 project. I was surprised to find a DC motor in it. My reference says Flyer used DC in some 332, 334, and 342 models. Anyone want to hazard a guess on this one? How about suggestions if i want to take it back to AC - is it just a matter of trading out the field and re-wiring? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56916	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: another "rare" one up for sale (Ebay)

It has to be there or this couldn't run. There is no room in the tender for a reverse unit. It just isn't visible in the angle of the photo. In a photo in the Greenberg guide of this same 1947 loco the lever is also not visable, but there. It doesn't protrude up a great distance anyway. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/06/2009 5:24:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, raleigh15@... writes: and he notes - That would make the tender 1947 but what about the loco? Shouldn't it have the reverse mechanism slot on the boiler? Raleigh in Rainey Maine At 10:37 PM 11/5/2009, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote: > > >Note the herald is not boxed in. This is appropriate for the 1947 tender. >"American Flyer Lines" is also appropriate. Also note the smoke fluid >filler cap on the right front top of the tender. Only 1947 meets all these >criteria. > >Steve >Boise > > >In a message dated 11/05/2009 5:05:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ><mailto:raleigh15%mailto:raleighmai>_raleigh15@myfairpoiraleig_ (mailto:raleigh15@...) writes: > >Didn't the 1947 tender have a rubber stamped "American Flyer" >marking? And didn't it have the slot on the boiler for the reverse unit? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56917	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise

A nice companion piece to my "300DC" Atlantic with DC motor. Obviously playing mix and match with motors wasn't that unusual. You might want to check to see if all the hobbyist did was switch the fields. It might actually be an AC armature. Bob Hannon's S-Gauge Reference Manual is essential, but even from that it doesn't look like it is easy to differentiate the AC and DC armatures. The resistance seems to be the only thing which might be useful in determining which is which. (2.1-2.3 or 2.7-2.9 ohms for the DC armature vs. 1.4-1.6 for the AC armature) Does anyone know of any other way to tell the difference? Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56918	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise

Most DC armatures had green paint on them Steve Boise In a message dated 11/06/2009 6:48:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dfsmith26@... writes: A nice companion piece to my "300DC" Atlantic with DC motor. Obviously playing mix and match with motors wasn't that unusual. You might want to check to see if all the hobbyist did was switch the fields. It might actually be an AC armature. Bob Hannon's S-Gauge Reference Manual is essential, but even from that it doesn't look like it is easy to differentiate the AC and DC armatures. The resistance seems to be the only thing which might be useful in determining which is which. (2.1-2.3 or 2.7-2.9 ohms for the DC armature vs. 1.4-1.6 for the AC armature) Does anyone know of any other way to tell the difference? Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56919	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise

That's so simple I should slap myself on the forehead. :-) Where is the paint though, on the windings? Hannon's photos didn't show it or maybe it was just too subtle for me to catch it. Dale "Most DC armatures had green paint on them" Steve Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56920	From: Bruce	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise

No 316s were ever produced with a DC motor. Change out the motor, and make sure the reverse unit is still in place. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Another 316 Surprise Oh Boy. I finally had some time to start tearing down my 316 project. I was surprised to find a DC motor in it. My reference says Flyer used DC in some 332, 334, and 342 models. Anyone want to hazard a guess on this one? How about suggestions if i want to take it back to AC - is it just a matter of trading out the field and re-wiring? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56921	From: grdobbs	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Ties

Barb: Tell me more about the ties. The cost, and are they available in back, like the old ties produced by Ideal Models. Where to buy them. I set my track on jute carpet pad, cut in 2 1/2 " strips, held in place with one nail each track section, set the ties, ballast with "Oil Dry" clay or cat litter ( with out the green ) held in place with John's ballast glue, then sprayed with a spray bottle of water with a few drops of India ink. Cheep, easy, light weight, and extremely silent running. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Manufacturer-Direct Hardwood Floors Never pay retail again. Wholesale prices on all hardwood floors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=vVTvCWa88corEGYIjs9MqgAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAQAAAAFAAAAAG7toD4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANldAAAAAA=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56922	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise

All I got was the engine, no tender. As I said, I went into it knowing it was going to be a project. I alread y had a a gutted-out tender for the 310-series and planned to put a Dallee reverse board in it. I've decided to go ahead and convert it to a can motor with the Dallee reverse and be done with it. Thanks for your sugestion. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2009 12:56:16 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another 316 Surprise No 316s were ever produced with a DC motor. Change out the motor, and make sure the reverse unit is still in place. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Another 316 Surprise Oh Boy. I finally had some time to start tearing down my 316 project. I was surprised to find a DC motor in it. My reference says Flyer used DC in some 332, 334, and 342 models. Anyone want to hazard a guess on this one? How about suggestions if i want to take it back to AC - is it just a matter of trading out the field and re-wiring? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56923	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Re: Another 316 Surprise

Paint was on one of the set of plates Steve In a message dated 11/06/2009 10:15:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dfsmith26@... writes: That's so simple I should slap myself on the forehead. :-) Where is the paint though, on the windings? Hannon's photos didn't show it or maybe it was just too subtle for me to catch it. Dale "Most DC armatures had green paint on them" Steve Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56924	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: FNF

This is the latest from PVMR--hopefully we will be on display in early December. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRprogress.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRprogress.html) Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56925	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/8/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56926	From: michael prell	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Syracuse Train Fair

The weather could not have been better for day one. Once again this year, two buildings were used to house many very fine exhibits and vendors. There was plenty to look at and purchase. Don't get me wrong. It's nothing like York. Few things are, but for Syracuse, it aint bad, Brothers & Sisters! The looks on the faces of the younsters said it all. The magic lives! S-avoring the S-yracuse Weather! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56927	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/7/2009
Subject: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

In looking through an old issue of Model Trains Magazine (Fall 1957), saved from when I was 12 years old, I noticed an ad for Atlas S-Gauge Snap-track. I uploaded a scan of the ad to the photos section (dfsmith26 album) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/353776936/pic/2114523232/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Does anyone know if this was actually produced? Has anyone ever seen any of this stuff. With the modern alternatives available, I doubt I would want to use it even if I could find it, but it is interesting as a bit of history. It said it had aluminum rail. I wonder how well that worked. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56928	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Port-A-Potty Cars; Anyone make S-scale Port-A-Pot

I wonder how "Roger" likes his office and has it decorated. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyler To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:21 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Port-A-Potty Cars; Anyone make S-scale Port-A-Pottys? While browsing through a rail equipment photo archive, I found the following picture of Port-A-Pottys sitting on Union Pacific speeder trailers and surrounded by roll-cages; presumably to ensure that employees remain safe while using the outhouse while it is in motion. :-) http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/22425 If a decent S-scale speeder and trailer ever become available in `S', this would be a really neat project. Even without an `S' scale speeder, it appears as though these two Port-A-Pottys have been taken off the track and left at a work site. It'd be neat just to build some of these and place them at the side of the track. Does anyone know of any S-scale Port-A-Pottys or have an idea about how to scratch build one??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56929	From: Howard	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle for K325.

I was helping a friend of mine who was setting up a K5206W set for his son. Now i could get the air chime whistle to work right but could not get the locomotive to operate, unless we disconnected the air chime and hooked it to the transformer (19B) directly. Does anyone have any ideas on this matter? Thanks, Howard.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56930	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

I remember seeing those ads for the S gauge Snap Track myself. I suspect that if it was indeed made, some S gauger has some! Aluminum was used in a number of early S scale applications, such as the Miller wheelsets, and I believe that the Enhorning F-units and Miller Alco switcher had aluminum wheels, too. While in itself it's a good conductor of electricity, aluminum doesn't RUST like steel does, the "rust" that it develops--a coating of oxide--is a crummy conductor of electricity. I suspect that you could conceivably wear aluminum track out just by having to CLEAN it every time you wanted to run trains! Aluminum wire was a "cheaper" alternative to copper, but the oxide causes BIG problems. Homes that were wired with it had fires because of the oxide that develops at the connections. If you use aluminum wire, you have to coat connections with a gel to keep air out of those connections. Also, Alco and possibly EMD built some locomotives using aluminum wire that had big problems. What was bad with home wiring was much worse with a locomotive with the vibration and other jostling that takes place. Imagine a relatively new, expensive locomotive that won't operate properly. ____________________________________________________________ Passion for Animation? Earn an animation degree and advance your career! Free info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=UQ16DuLEQUD6f3sG0bd_rgAAJz1aTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAQAAAAFAAAAAPLSTT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBaQAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56931	From: johntech	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} Port-A-Potty Cars; Anyone make S-scale Port-A

A while back, maybe 8 months to a year ago, wasn't there a guy that was on here saying thet he was building a speeder in S? I seem to remember it was in the $325 - $350 range and it had a trailer included. I wonder if it ever got built? I never heard any more about it John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tyler > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:21 PM > Subject: {S-Scale List} Port-A-Potty Cars; Anyone make S-scale > Port-A-Pottys? > > > > While browsing through a rail equipment photo archive, I found the > following picture of Port-A-Pottys sitting on Union Pacific speeder > trailers and surrounded by roll-cages; presumably to ensure that employees > remain safe while using the outhouse while it is in motion. :-) > > http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/22425 > > If a decent S-scale speeder and trailer ever become available in `S', this > would be a really neat project. > > Even without an `S' scale speeder, it appears as though these two > Port-A-Pottys have been taken off the track and left at a work site. It'd > be neat just to build some of these and place them at the side of the > track. Does anyone know of any S-scale Port-A-Pottys or have an idea about > how to scratch build one??? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56932	From: michael prell	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Lookin'4

As mentioned, I attended our local Syracuse Train Fair yesterday. While there I stumbled across a really nice 770 Loading Platform. Now alls I need (Murphy Brown Reference) is a 732 or 734 car to go with it. Thanks ahead of time for any replys. Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56933	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle for K325.

Hi Howard, If the Air Chime is wired correctly and the train is running, when you press the button on the controller and the air chime makes the sound the train will slow down because of the voltage draw of the air chime.  If the air chime is working and the train is not running this means you're not getting enough voltage to operate the train.  You may want to clean your track and the tender wheels to increase your voltage input.  When wiring the air chime, the red wire on the controller goes to the center post on the transformer.  This is the variable voltage post.  If you are connecting a wire from the 690 Track Terminal to this post this could cause a problem.   Please double check your wiring from the air chime to the track. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Howard <papehoward@...> wrote: From: Howard <papehoward@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Air chime whistle for K325. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:26 PM   I was helping a friend of mine who was setting up a K5206W set for his son. Now i could get the air chime whistle to work right but could not get the locomotive to operate, unless we disconnected the air chime and hooked it to the transformer (19B) directly. Does anyone have any ideas on this matter? Thanks, Howard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56934	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

Dear Dale, I have seen test shots of the Atlas S scale straight and curved roadbed sections. I was surprised how similar it was to our roadbed. The most noticeable difference is the larger size ballast and spike heads. My friends told me that the tool for the ballasted bumper section was converted to non-S uses. I was also told that the track was never produced. On the other hand, those who told me were not working there when the test shots were molded. I was able to find a box of Atlas S scale railjoiners. We based our railjoiners on this design. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56935	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

Hi Dale, I don't believe Atlas made "S" Gauge Snap Track.   In addition to Gargraves and American Flyer, the only other company that made "S" Gauge track in the fifities was Tru Scale.   They made code 172 track on wood roadbed and they put ads in Model Railroader. I have some old Model Railroader mags with these ads.  Atlas HO track was used in Lionel & American Flyer HO train sets. � Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:03 PM   In looking through an old issue of Model Trains Magazine (Fall 1957), saved from when I was 12 years old, I noticed an ad for Atlas S-Gauge Snap-track. I uploaded a scan of the ad to the photos section (dfsmith26 album) http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 353776936/ pic/2114523232/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc Does anyone know if this was actually produced? Has anyone ever seen any of this stuff. With the modern alternatives available, I doubt I would want to use it even if I could find it, but it is interesting as a bit of history. It said it had aluminum rail. I wonder how well that worked. Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56936	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

Have the GMC truck version. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/8/2009 8:18:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, schwartzsj@... writes: Imagine a relatively new, expensive locomotive that won't operate properly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56937	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Of Porta-potties and Muffler Men

Well gang, seeing Porta-potties hauled on speeder trailers to work sites is a modern thing. Way up in the woods in the days of Shay steam locos and before chain saws, there were "outhouse cars" and the famous "Outhouse Caboose." The "outhouse cars" were generally slapped together like a three hole outhouse and mounted of either Skeleton log cars or old flatcars with holes cut through the decking. The "outhouse cabooses" were named not for their use, but because they looked like an outhouse on a 4 wheel truck, tagging along behind the train. This was a tiny office, just as a regular caboose was, but without bunks or cooking facilities. Either of these would be real easy to model and would be appropriate for the pre-plastics age of steam. As far as a Muffler Man, I would get two Plasticville Gas Stations and kit bash them into a single four bay shop with the office on one end. With some model putty and plastic tubing, you could modify an old toy army man into a muffler man statue to place on top of the building, or out front just like the Big Boy restaurants do. That way you'd have another roadside business,"The Muffler Man" muffler and exhaust service. Either of these could be easy, cheap, and fun projects. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56938	From: knockbill	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: John Wanamaker set

Hi I picked up a JW set at a TCA show today,it is boxed in a brown corrigated box numbered,B3N134 and the side of teh box is stamped 26428 ACCESS.PACK ABFJ, the other side of teh box is stamped with teh AC Gilbert return address... It has teh following in it: 21161 Reading engine, 24636 AFL caboose, 24030 MKT box car, No # PRR gondola, No # NH flat car w/ 3 orange pipes, 4 straight track 12 curve track... The cars are all pikemaster, but teh track is regular AF track... Can anyone one help with teh set number, or the numbers for the teh cars? Any info will be appreciated,,, The set is in LN condition... Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56939	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle for K325.

And again a hint to anybody having trouble with intermittent running or slow speed Flyer S - clean the tender axles with scotchbrite or even fine sandpaper where they contact the brass wipers and polish the brass wipers at the point of contact the same way. The build up of burnt oil at the contact point, combined with copper oxide makes a higher resistance contact which robs the loco of power. It is an area that nobody seems to mention but in my limited contact with Flyer I have found it to be a factor on a number of occasions. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Air chime whistle for K325. Hi Howard, If the Air Chime is wired correctly and the train is running, when you press the button on the controller and the air chime makes the sound the train will slow down because of the voltage draw of the air chime. If the air chime is working and the train is not running this means you're not getting enough voltage to operate the train. You may want to clean your track and the tender wheels to increase your voltage input. When wiring the air chime, the red wire on the controller goes to the center post on the transformer. This is the variable voltage post. If you are connecting a wire from the 690 Track Terminal to this post this could cause a problem. Please double check your wiring from the air chime to the track. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Howard <papehoward@...> wrote: From: Howard <papehoward@yahoo..com> Subject: [S-Trains] Air chime whistle for K325. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:26 PM I was helping a friend of mine who was setting up a K5206W set for his son. Now i could get the air chime whistle to work right but could not get the locomotive to operate, unless we disconnected the air chime and hooked it to the transformer (19B) directly. Does anyone have any ideas on this matter? Thanks, Howard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13650 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13650 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56940	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: John Wanamaker set

Hello John, This sounds similar to a set I own, I will look at mine later and get back to you, and I would be curious as to what you paid for this if you don't mind me asking? Rich ________________________________ From: knockbill <jdefelice@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 2:47:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] John Wanamaker set Hi I picked up a JW set at a TCA show today,it is boxed in a brown corrigated box numbered,B3N134 and the side of teh box is stamped 26428 ACCESS.PACK ABFJ, the other side of teh box is stamped with teh AC Gilbert return address... It has teh following in it: 21161 Reading engine, 24636 AFL caboose, 24030 MKT box car, No # PRR gondola, No # NH flat car w/ 3 orange pipes, 4 straight track 12 curve track... The cars are all pikemaster, but teh track is regular AF track... Can anyone one help with teh set number, or the numbers for the teh cars? Any info will be appreciated, ,, The set is in LN condition... Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56941	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

The ads for S Atlas track that I have seen were most likely in the late 50's and early 60's....The AF "Pikemaster" switches and track, were, I believe, what Atlas was going to do, except with solid rail instead of the bent U shaped "rail"...I further believe that AC Gilbert had Atlas make the "Pikemaster" track assortment for them, and therefore Atlas decided not to enter the S market on it's own. Furthermore the packaging, instructions, overall design, the switch motor housing and electric mechanism are all appera to be "Atlas", except for the AC Gilbert/AF graphics. An afterthought: AF, I think, would of had a far superior product to any other Toy train manufacturer, if they would have gone with a solid rail and a slightly smaller size (similar to what S Helper Service did and does so well) and the same radius as existing AF track, and also a larger radius assortment, then they would have been unbeatable in the "realism" area, and maybe in marketing. I will never understand the U tube rail decision....by the way some currently available "Lionel" track "copied" this U design (euch) on their tinplate track. Peter Loeb in S. Oregon, but not for much longer! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56942	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Lookin'4

Contact me off list t4u@..., Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56943	From: grant	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Transformer Question

I have a couple of transformers by MRC (tech II) and was wondering if the fixed and variable outputs are independent of each other. Thanks Much! Grant

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56944	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/8/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 56945	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: John Wanamaker set

Hi John, � The set number is 20182 Special Prestone Train Set - 1960 Includes 21161 Locomotive & Tender, 24030, 24130, 24564 & 24636 Caboose. Accessories M5100, 12 pieces 26720 Curved track & 26690 Track Terminal.  This set was listed by Harwood Owings in Greenbergs Volume II.  Harwood is a member of the group if you want to check with him. � Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 11/8/09, knockbill <jdefelice@...> wrote: From: knockbill <jdefelice@...> Subject: [S-Trains] John Wanamaker set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:47 PM   Hi I picked up a JW set at a TCA show today,it is boxed in a brown corrigated box numbered,B3N134 and the side of teh box is stamped 26428 ACCESS.PACK ABFJ, the other side of teh box is stamped with teh AC Gilbert return address... It has teh following in it: 21161 Reading engine, 24636 AFL caboose, 24030 MKT box car, No # PRR gondola, No # NH flat car w/ 3 orange pipes, 4 straight track 12 curve track... The cars are all pikemaster, but teh track is regular AF track... Can anyone one help with teh set number, or the numbers for the teh cars? Any info will be appreciated, ,, The set is in LN condition... Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56946	From: paflyrman	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Recent Odd Purchase

At an auction today I purchased a box lot of train items. Included were a K771 or 23771 and 976 operating cattle car. What is odd is that the underside of the car is rubber stamped with the number 2,794,297 in about 1/8th" high numbers. I have never seen any such numbering on AF equipment, but it is mentioned in the Joe Deger edition of Vol. I American Flyer S Gauge. However, it is not explained. Logically, it's an awefully large number for anyone but the factory to have done this. NE1 know to what the number is a reference? paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56947	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Of Porta-potties and Muffler Men

Thanks Stumpy, but Bob Big Boy is not considered a Muffler Man. Again, a muffler man does not have to be auto related. It is just a term for a giant man, woman or rabbit, as seen in Oregon, what the heck are you feeding those rabbits Mike S., that advertised something, a service, product, or business. Maybe S Helper needs a muffler man holding a steam engines, high enough to be seen from the NJ Turnpike. I will find something for layout. I am told to look at G scale figures. Maybe then I can adjust the arms. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Of Porta-potties and Muffler Men Well gang, seeing Porta-potties hauled on speeder trailers to work sites is a modern thing. Way up in the woods in the days of Shay steam locos and before chain saws, there were "outhouse cars" and the famous "Outhouse Caboose." The "outhouse cars" were generally slapped together like a three hole outhouse and mounted of either Skeleton log cars or old flatcars with holes cut through the decking. The "outhouse cabooses" were named not for their use, but because they looked like an outhouse on a 4 wheel truck, tagging along behind the train. This was a tiny office, just as a regular caboose was, but without bunks or cooking facilities. Either of these would be real easy to model and would be appropriate for the pre-plastics age of steam. As far as a Muffler Man, I would get two Plasticville Gas Stations and kit bash them into a single four bay shop with the office on one end. With some model putty and plastic tubing, you could modify an old toy army man into a muffler man statue to place on top of the building, or out front just like the Big Boy restaurants do. That way you'd have another roadside business,"The Muffler Man" muffler and exhaust service. Either of these could be easy, cheap, and fun projects. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56948	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question

Grant, The variable output is a wiper that crosses most all windings on a coil. The fixed output is a wire attached to the end of the coil. It is independent of the wiper but both combined wattage can not exceed the max power of the transformer. Hope that helps, Phil In a message dated 11/8/2009 3:25:22 P.M. Central America Standard T, gwbishop@... writes: I have a couple of transformers by MRC (tech II) and was wondering if the fixed and variable outputs are independent of each other. Thanks Much! Grant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56949	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Humble beginings

I finally started laying track on my RR. I found I could soldier wires to the underside of my Gargraves stainless track. I'm using naval jelly for lack of proper flux, seems to work great. I expect to drop wires down below the board every 20 feet or so, is that enough? I am nailing through the center of 3 ties per straight track, several more as needed on curves, with thin blue Styrofoam as underlayment. I am able to bend the track a considerable amount by hand, it is very springy, so I must hold a given radius while nailing it down. This bending causes the inner rail to be too long, and my grinder with a cut off wheel does a very smooth and quick job of cutting it down. I'll pick up some cut off wheels for my Dremmel and try that next, as I could cut right in place with that. Bending the Gargraves is limited to pretty large radii, so I'll be looking for better solutions at the tighter parts of the RR, but for now I am making good progress on the outermost loop with about 15 feet down so far. I ran my little Diesel switcher back and forth and found it very slow for the first few runs but quite nice after a while, very smooth. The Royal Blue, my first engine as a kid, hardly runs at all, but that is the good part about hobbies, I'll get to that when I get to that. For ballast, I got some stone dust the other day, a 5 gal bucket. I can sift it down to whatever size looks best to me. I think I will go for .025", which would be equivalent to 1 1/2 " crushed stone. Will send progress reports and ask questions as work progresses. Thanks to all. Dave W. Oh, another question, does anyone bank the track a little on the curves? With my Styrofoam, I could add a few nails on the inside edge of the ties, and give it just a tweak of invisible banking.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56950	From: knockbill	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: John Wanamaker set

thanks for the replies, so far,, the engine is not stamped prestone, as other 21161's i have seen, however i've read that it was available both ways...i think you are right about the car numbers,, i'm still trying to find teh info on teh box... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi John, >   The set number is 20182 Special Prestone Train Set - 1960 Includes 21161 Locomotive & Tender, 24030, 24130, 24564 & 24636 Caboose. Accessories M5100, 12 pieces 26720 Curved track & 26690 Track Terminal.  This set was listed by Harwood Owings in Greenbergs Volume II.  Harwood is a member of the group if you want to check with him. >   Tom Seccia > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, knockbill <jdefelice@...> wrote: > > From: knockbill <jdefelice@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] John Wanamaker set > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:47 PM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > I picked up a JW set at a TCA show today,it is boxed in a brown corrigated box numbered,B3N134 and the side of teh box is stamped > > 26428 ACCESS.PACK ABFJ, the other side of teh box is stamped with teh AC Gilbert return address... > > It has teh following in it: > > 21161 Reading engine, > > 24636 AFL caboose, > > 24030 MKT box car, > > No # PRR gondola, > > No # NH flat car w/ 3 orange pipes, > > 4 straight track > > 12 curve track... > > The cars are all pikemaster, but teh track is regular AF track... > > Can anyone one help with teh set number, or the numbers for the teh cars? Any info will be appreciated, ,, The set is in LN condition... > > Thanks > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56951	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Lansing Michigan Train Show

Lansing Model Railroad Club Show & Sale MSU Pavilion, East Lansing, Michigan Don't miss this show! Grown to be the Largest Club Sponsored Show in Michigan!! Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM * 525 Sales Tables (TABLES ARE SOLD OUT !!) * 11 Visiting Layouts from Z Scale to Garden Scale * FREE Parking * $6 Admission * Under 12 FREE * Scouts in uniform FREE * NMRA NCR Division 5 "How To" sessions throughout the show Map, details, and more information: https://www.msu.edu/~tdc2/lmrc/NovemberTrainShow2009.html See our TV ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6kjl5fBb6Q&feature LMRC is a 501(c)(3) organization [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56952	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Recent Odd Purchase

Number is a patent number.  You may find other pieces stamped with patent numbers.� Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 11/8/09, paflyrman <hblanier@...> wrote: From: paflyrman <hblanier@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Recent Odd Purchase To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:44 PM   At an auction today I purchased a box lot of train items. Included were a K771 or 23771 and 976 operating cattle car. What is odd is that the underside of the car is rubber stamped with the number 2,794,297 in about 1/8th" high numbers. I have never seen any such numbering on AF equipment, but it is mentioned in the Joe Deger edition of Vol. I American Flyer S Gauge. However, it is not explained. Logically, it's an awefully large number for anyone but the factory to have done this. NE1 know to what the number is a reference? paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56953	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Humble beginings

We feed every 4 feet on the PVMR layout. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/8/2009 6:14:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidwin@... writes: I expect to drop wires down below the board every 20 feet or so, is that enough? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56954	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Recent Odd Purchase

paflyrman wrote: > > > At an auction today I purchased a box lot of train items. Included were > a K771 or 23771 and 976 operating cattle car. What is odd is that the > underside of the car is rubber stamped with the number 2,794,297 in > about 1/8th" high numbers. Its a patent number assigned to AC Gilbert Company for a traveling figure on a toy railroad car! http://tinyurl.com/yhhck4d George Cohn Tucson AZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56955	From: Howard	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle

I was helping a friend of mine setting up a K5206W set that was left to him by a relavtive. He was really setting it up for his 6 year old son. We cleaned the track and the locomotive, a sweet K325. Our problem was when hooking up the air chime whistle control, was that we were able to get the horn to operate but we could not get the engine to run.We then disconnected the air chime unit and got the engine to run on the transformer. I know it is probably not a good idea to run it like this as the horn still wants to operate.Could you give us some help in this matter. Thanks, Howard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56956	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Christmas Drive-In Theater Set

I was over at Lowes Home Improvement today and my wife wanted to look at their Christmas decorations. They have a whole bunch of animated circus stuff that looks about right for S scale but what caught my attention was their Elvis at the Drive-In set! http://tinyurl.com/yh4dgt4 It has three cars with speakers and poles, a box-office snack bar, and a separate building for restrooms. The screen is animated as is the top of the box office and it plays a few Elvis songs with different pictures of him on a lighted, motorized screen. It's pretty cool but I could think of a couple of improvements. Build a screen basically the same size as the one in the kit but use one of those tiny LCD TVs for the display. Then you could hook it up to a DVD player and *really* show movies at your drive-in. ;-) I'm probably going to buy this one even though it's close to $100 because it is a fitting tribute to our last drive-in which closed on Oct 3 after 58 years of movies under the stars. We went to the last show and I shed a tear as I pulled out of the lot for the last time. When the Tucson 5 Drive-In was still open, the railroad tracks ran right behind several of the screens and it was always cool to see a long freight come by while watching a movie. George Cohn Tucson AZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56957	From: Howard Pape	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: air chime whistle

Hi sheila, we did clean the loco inside and out including the reverse unit,axles,wheels and copper contacts.Even with the transformer turned up all the way,it was like there was no juice to the track. You would think that if you could make the horn operate it would be able to run the loco. The only other thing that i can think of is maybe the whistle control itself is defective even though we took it out of the box with the packing still on it.Thanks, Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56958	From: Howard Pape	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Air chime whistle

Hi Sheila, we had cleaned the loco inside and out, the tender wheels,axles and copper pickups, besides cleaning the reverse unit.Even though we took the air chime whistle out of the box and packing, is it possible even though the horn works we can't get the loco to run even turned up all the way. Hooking the transformer to the track the loco ran. But could the problem be a defective whistle control? Thanks Sheila, Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56959	From: afjerryk5	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Atlas S track

Several years ago Carsterns Publishing,which also publishes Railroad Model Craftsman did a book on the history of model railroading. There is a picture of an Atlas display of S gauge Snap Track at a hobby trade show.A Flyer NH electric is shown running on a loop of this track They must have made at least enough for this display. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56960	From: macflyer0513	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Cincinnati Train Shows

Has anyone seen any promotion of a Cincinnati area train show for the fall? Gettin' itchy in Northern Kentucky Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56961	From: grant	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question

Thanks! So removing the lights etc to another voltage supply, should free up the supply for the train when I need it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dagenais01@... wrote: > > Grant, > The variable output is a wiper that crosses most all windings on a coil. > The fixed output is a wire attached to the end of the coil. It is independent > of the wiper but both combined wattage can not exceed the max power of the > transformer. Hope that helps, > > Phil > > > > > In a message dated 11/8/2009 3:25:22 P.M. Central America Standard T, > gwbishop@... writes: > > > > > I have a couple of transformers by MRC (tech II) and was wondering if the > fixed and variable outputs are independent of each other. > Thanks Much! > Grant > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56962	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: air chime whistle

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Howard Pape <papehoward@...> wrote: Hi Howard,                          What is the number of the Air Chime you are using?   What is the size of your transformer?  Do you have 4 wires coming out of the controller?    Do you have any accessories or lights in your houses connected to that transformer?  If you have switches connected to the tracks are these switched to the power track?  The best way to test this air chime is to use 1 loop of track and use the wiring directions that came with the Air Chime.  Another problem may be you have a bad air chime tube or the prongs are in the incorrect position.  Please check these other things and see if that helps.                                       Tom Seccia From: Howard Pape <papehoward@...> Subject: [S-Trains] air chime whistle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: sflyerguy@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:07 PM   Hi sheila, we did clean the loco inside and out including the reverse unit,axles,wheels and copper contacts.Even with the transformer turned up all the way,it was like there was no juice to the track. You would think that if you could make the horn operate it would be able to run the loco. The only other thing that i can think of is maybe the whistle control itself is defective even though we took it out of the box with the packing still on it..Thanks, Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56963	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/8/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Drive-In Theater Set

George Cohn wrote: > It's pretty cool but I could think of a couple of improvements. Build a > screen basically the same size as the one in the kit but use one of > those tiny LCD TVs for the display. Then you could hook it up to a DVD > player and *really* show movies at your drive-in. ;-) I just measured the little Haier 7 inch LCD TV that I have here on my computer desk. Its 7-1/4 inches wide by 5 - 1/4 inches high. That scales out to roughly 40 feet wide by 30 feet high! That's almost exactly what the typical small 40 foot wide drive-in screen measures. I also have a tiny DVD player here that I don't use anymore so there's the movie source. Guess I will be picking up the Elvis set sometime this week. Just wish it had more than 3 cars and speakers in it. ;-) George Cohn Tucson AZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56964	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Hello from Anshan City

Hi All, I'm in Anshan City and my China trip is winding down. Tomorrow I travel back to Taipei via Beijing. Wednesday it's Taipei to LAX to Houston. Then a short limo ride home to Katy. I look forward to getting back home and reading almost three weeks of group messages! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56965	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

I have a piece of S gauge track that I thought might be made by Atlas. I don't know where I got it, but I've had it for years. It's brass rail with fiber ties, like the really old HO flextrack. But since it is flextrack, not snap-track, maybe I'm off on a tangent. I remember in a Model Railroader or RMC once that there was a picture of an American Flyer train - the 1956 NH electric set - running around on an oval of track made by Atlas. Maybe it wasn't produced for sale, but at least some had been made. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13650 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56966	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Atlas S track]

Jerry, I think I have that book, "150 Years of Train Models," but I couldn't find the picture showing the Atlas Track. Is this the book and if so, what page is it on? Thanks, Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56967	From: Dagenais01@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Transformer Question

Yes, but be sure that you calculate your power requirements and do not exceed max power output of the transformer. In my layout I use 80% of my transformer just so the transformer runs cooler. Phil In a message dated 11/8/2009 7:48:52 P.M. Central America Standard T, gwbishop@... writes: Thanks! So removing the lights etc to another voltage supply, should free up the supply for the train when I need it. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Dagenais01@., Dag > > Grant, > The variable output is a wiper that crosses most all windings on a coil. > The fixed output is a wire attached to the end of the coil. It is independent > of the wiper but both combined wattage can not exceed the max power of the > transformer. Hope that helps, > > Phil > > > > > In a message dated 11/8/2009 3:25:22 P.M. Central America Standard T, > gwbishop@... writes: > > > > > I have a couple of transformers by MRC (tech II) and was wondering if the > fixed and variable outputs are independent of each other. > Thanks Much! > Grant > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56968	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Heavyweight observation railings

Greetings, Does anyone know a source for replacement railings for AF heavyweight observation cars? I have not seen them listed anywhere. Assuming they they are not available, has anyone made an alternative work? Any suggestions? Thanks Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56969	From: paflyrman	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Recent Odd Purchase

Thanks to those who responded to my question regarding the number rubber stamped on the chassis of a 976 operating cattle car as being the patent number. It still seems odd that after this car had been out for three years as a 736, ACG felt the need to put the patent number on the bottom of some 976's. I still wonder what was going on. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56970	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

What you may have is "Bob Peer" (sp.?) track they had a line of HO, S, and O track with fiber tie strip and brass rail and also switches etc. I believe it was code 172 rail. Peter Loeb, in S. Ore-gone soon on his way east. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56971	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track

Hi Peter, � When I sent my email, I forgot about that track line.  It was also Code 172 and as you said with fiber ties.  It was also made in the fifties.  As far as Atlas making "S" track, seeing is believing. � Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Trains 4 U <t4u@...> wrote: From: Trains 4 U <t4u@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Atlas S-Gauge Snap-Track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:35 AM   What you may have is "Bob Peer" (sp.?) track they had a line of HO, S, and O track with fiber tie strip and brass rail and also switches etc. I believe it was code 172 rail. Peter Loeb, in S. Ore-gone soon on his way east. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56972	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: Heavyweight observation railings

Hi Tim, � I used to have these many years ago.  John Heck was selling these.  The production has ceased and I don't believe any part supplier has these in stock.  You may want to try using an American Models Heavyweight Observation car railing or maybe a Lionel American Flyer Heavyweight railing to adapt for a replacement. � Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 11/9/09, tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> wrote: From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Heavyweight observation railings To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:07 AM   Greetings, Does anyone know a source for replacement railings for AF heavyweight observation cars? I have not seen them listed anywhere. Assuming they they are not available, has anyone made an alternative work? Any suggestions? Thanks Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56973	From: Dave	Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: #1873 COORS Refrigerator Car

Hello All, We have just posted another of our BILLBOARD REEFER photos. This time we have a #1873 "COORS" Golden Beer reefer. For those of you that are interested please follow the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/419325963/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all ;o) Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56974	From: jaytewilli	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO

Not "S", but definitely Gilbert related. Has anybody out there come across a source for the tiny, coupler springs for the Gilbert HO couplers?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56975	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO

Would the spring for Kadee work? I have some couplers but nevelooked at the Flyer couplers .to see how they would be repaired if they 'broke' I do have one that snapped of the tender and was thinking of a # 5 kadee and go from there.some ofn my cars have Kadee and NMRA horn hook both but it is a bummer to get the old one out. I still have some pre war and try to get a replacement for one of those broken ones. Please note: message attached From: "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:23:34 -0000 ____________________________________________________________ Doctoral Degrees Online Explore our directory of degrees. Move ahead with a Doctorate Degree! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=uaeNQ4nURX1PG1qHq10mPQAAJz1aTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAQAAAAFAAAAALx0kz4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkSEAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56976	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO

Jay,   >>>>> Not "S", but definitely Gilbert related. Has anybody out there come across a source for the tiny, coupler springs for the Gilbert HO couplers? >>>>>   I have both a hudson and the PRR B6 0-6-0 and the springs in the older KaDee #4 work fine. The springs from the KaDee knuckle are a bit shorter but will work as well.   BIG HINT !! Tie a piece of bright RED thread through the spring when trying to replace it. When it takes to the air, it is easier to find on the floor. (I'm cheap)  Snip the thread after you have it installed and pull it back through the spring. if you have RED carpet, change the thread color.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56977	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO

Broken what??? Prewar couplers? We have those, for both prewar O-gauge , and the AF HO cast couplers. HO coupler SPRINGS are a problem, however. <<<I still have some pre war and try to get a replacement for one of those broken ones.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56978	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Train slows to a halt/transformer problem?

Folks - any thoughts help on this issue would be much appreciated... I have converted my layout to DC, and can successfully run 2-3 DC locomotives (at the same time on the same line). I have an s-helper AC/DC loco, and when I run that loco with another loco (DC) on the same track, after a minute or so, both locos come to a slow, decelerating halt (not abrupt). Also, if I run more than 4 cars with the s-helper loco running alone, it will halt after some time (slowly again). This halting occurs in varying places on the track (i.e. I don't think it's dead or dirty track). I have a MRC 280 Tech 4 transformer: # Output: CAB 1 14.5V DC Total Output: 8.5VA # CAB 2 14.5V DC, 14.8V AC Total Output: 8.5VA Does it sound like the transformer is resetting? Is the AC/DC loco (with the reverse unit) drawing too much power? I have a relatively small layout (5" 9" with a single line looped twice). Could my wiring be causing problems? I have 2 small runs of 18 gauge wire feeding power, in addition to 4 runs of common lamp wiring. Is my wiring a problem? Is my transformer too small? Thanks for your help! AJ in Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56979	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO

Thanks Nick, I'll check the Kadee springs out. I hear ya on the red string brother! How many times I was saved by my big magnet that's good for "sucking up" small springs I've lost on the floor!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56980	From: wyoaf	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: www.americanflyerclub.org

I encountered this site while surfing yesterday and recommend it to this group. It's Denver based and these guys seem to know how to really make user friendly use of the computer. I enjoyed the videos, particularly the S Gauge cab ride, and the blend-in video that starts as a AF Boy's Railroad Club piece. Several links to familiar sites and regulars on this site. Forgive me if this is old news, but it was new to me and this Group's search feature didn't register any references to it. John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56981	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO

Hi Daryl, � I have those springs.  Part number P-13A714  2 for $1.50. Limited supply. � Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 11/10/09, jaytewilli <jaytewilli@...> wrote: From: jaytewilli <jaytewilli@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Coupler Springs for Gilbert HO To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:23 AM   Not "S", but definitely Gilbert related. Has anybody out there come across a source for the tiny, coupler springs for the Gilbert HO couplers? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56982	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Train slows to a halt/transformer problem?

It sounds from your description that there is a problem with the S helper engine. If the others will run okay, but this one won't, that's a good indication that this loco is the trouble. Unlike HO, 18 gauge wire is a bit small, but useable for short runs. I use 14 gauge from power pack to track on my small portable layouts (4x6' and 43"x 56"), which may be "overkill" by some opinions, but I run at Train Shows and reliability is paramount. I also use the large MRC 6200 power packs, which have been more than equal to anything I have tried to run during shows. I actually fried a Putt Trains smoke unit while trying to double head it and an old Flyer engine with a DC can motor using the MRC 6200! I have run DC power almost since I returned to S gauge a few years ago, and have had little problems, unlike fighting with reverse units when I started. I hope this helps. Stumpy Stone...Appalachia Flyer...in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56983	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Train slows to a halt/transformer problem?

Dear AJ, If this engine has LocoMatic, I can tell you now that your transformer at 8.5VA does not have the umph to power up the capacitors. If it is just one of our AC/DC no sound boards, just plug in the DC shorting plug into the mother socket and be done with the sequencing and take advantage of all that DC has to offer. Don On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:40 PM, smokestacklightnin wrote: > Folks - any thoughts help on this issue would be much appreciated... > > I have converted my layout to DC, and can successfully run 2-3 DC > locomotives (at the same time on the same line). I have an s-helper > AC/DC loco, and when I run that loco with another loco (DC) on the > same track, after a minute or so, both locos come to a slow, > decelerating halt (not abrupt). Also, if I run more than 4 cars with > the s-helper loco running alone, it will halt after some time > (slowly again). This halting occurs in varying places on the track > (i.e. I don't think it's dead or dirty track). > > I have a MRC 280 Tech 4 transformer: > # Output: CAB 1 14.5V DC Total Output: 8.5VA > # CAB 2 14.5V DC, 14.8V AC Total Output: 8.5VA > > Does it sound like the transformer is resetting? Is the AC/DC loco > (with the reverse unit) drawing too much power? > > I have a relatively small layout (5" 9" with a single line looped > twice). Could my wiring be causing problems? I have 2 small runs of > 18 gauge wire feeding power, in addition to 4 runs of common lamp > wiring. Is my wiring a problem? Is my transformer too small? > > Thanks for your help! > > AJ in Portland, OR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56984	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: airbrush suggestions

Fellow Hobbyists, I realize that asking which airbrush is best is like asking who makes the best motor oil... or worse, who makes the best smoke fluid. (I know the answer to that one) :) I am still using a Badger model 200 single action from back in 1980-something. With a 20 gal compressor w/dryer, it does OK with solvent-based paint but not too well with acrylics. Scalecoat comes out of it like a pro, thanks to tips from the guys at Smitty's hobby shop here in Dayton. The holidays are coming up and the family want to know what I would like... not sure they know they're about to buy me a GG1. In the next project, I'll be switching colors a lot from NYC light grey to NYC dark grey to white and black. Color switching is a bit of a pain with the old Badger. Is there a make/model that you prefer? Thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56985	From: Jerry	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: airbrush suggestions

Hey Tim, I have an old Pasche single action, external mix brush, but the Badgers are OK too. If you're shooting acrylics, you need to up the pressure a bit more than when you're shooting solvent paints. I try to go between 20 and 25 psi. Also be sure to thin the acrylics according to manufacturer's instructions. Acrylics are also shot "drier" than solvent paints, but that makes them trickier. You have to be careful so as not to have the paint run under any masking. Experiment, and have fun! As an aside, I prefer solvent paints over acrylics anyway. Solvent paints are cleaned up in the brush most of the time simply by shooting a bit of lacquer thinner through the brush. Water based paints seem to take much more than water to clean up. Hope you get the GG1 from Santa. It was the GG1 that got me back into S. Haven't looked back and have enjoyed every minute of it! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2010 S Spree Dearborn, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Fellow Hobbyists, > > I realize that asking which airbrush is best is like asking who makes the best motor oil... or worse, who makes the best smoke fluid. (I know the answer to that one) :) > > I am still using a Badger model 200 single action from back in 1980-something. With a 20 gal compressor w/dryer, it does OK with solvent-based paint but not too well with acrylics. Scalecoat comes out of it like a pro, thanks to tips from the guys at Smitty's hobby shop here in Dayton. > > The holidays are coming up and the family want to know what I would like... not sure they know they're about to buy me a GG1. > > In the next project, I'll be switching colors a lot from NYC light grey to NYC dark grey to white and black. Color switching is a bit of a pain with the old Badger. Is there a make/model that you prefer? > > Thanks! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, OH >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56986	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4666

I have used a portable DVD player for a drive in theater for 3 years or so at shows in the northwest. Cheri Warner, Federal Way, WA Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9 Nov 2009 11:38:15 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4666 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains 4a. Christmas Drive-In Theater Set <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/56956;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbmlua2w0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1Njk1NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjU3NzY2Njk1> Posted by: "George Cohn" gwcohn@... <mailto:gwcohn@...?Subject= Re%3AChristmas%20Drive-In%20Theater%20Set>   gwescoyh <http://profiles.yahoo.com/gwescoyh> Sun Nov 8, 2009 5:07 pm (PST) I was over at Lowes Home Improvement today and my wife wanted to look at their Christmas decorations. They have a whole bunch of animated circus stuff that looks about right for S scale but what caught my attention was their Elvis at the Drive-In set! http://tinyurl.com/yh4dgt4 <http://tinyurl.com/yh4dgt4> It has three cars with speakers and poles, a box-office snack bar, and a separate building for restrooms. The screen is animated as is the top of the box office and it plays a few Elvis songs with different pictures of him on a lighted, motorized screen. It's pretty cool but I could think of a couple of improvements. Build a screen basically the same size as the one in the kit but use one of those tiny LCD TVs for the display. Then you could hook it up to a DVD player and *really* show movies at your drive-in. ;-) I'm probably going to buy this one even though it's close to $100 because it is a fitting tribute to our last drive-in which closed on Oct 3 after 58 years of movies under the stars. We went to the last show and I shed a tear as I pulled out of the lot for the last time. When the Tucson 5 Drive-In was still open, the railroad tracks ran right behind several of the screens and it was always cool to see a long freight come by while watching a movie. George Cohn Tucson AZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56987	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: FW: [deerfieldriver] Christmas Sale on new Kits now til 12-25-09

My Friends in S, Ed at Deerfield River lasers is having a Christmas sale on some of their O-scale kits. I think his EBT On3 wooden hopper kit may be useful as an free-lanced standard gauge wooden hopper in our beloved 1:64 scale. Here is a link to the pix: http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/DRL-O-115.html Here are the dimensions: O scale S scale length over end beams 23.5 ft 35.25 ft width 6 ft 9 ft height bottom of frame to top of box 4.5 ft 6.75 ft Enjoy! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, S-9, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford one! From: deerfieldriver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:deerfieldriver@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of edfillion448 Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:40 PM To: deerfieldriver@yahoogroups.com Subject: [deerfieldriver] Christmas Sale on new Kits now til 12-25-09 Hi Group, We are putting our newest kits on sale from now until Christmas. Two of the kits are 25% off (DRL O-111 & DRL O-112) and 3 kits at 20% off (DRL O-113,DRL O-114 & DRL O-115). Kit DRL O-111 is the RDA NPC Baggage/Express/Milk car MSRP $56 and on sale at $42. This is the Railway Design Assoc. kit by Rod Guthrie. Kit DRL O-112 is the Union Pacific NG caboose. This is an 1880's caboose with a very high cupola with arched windows and horizontal boards. MSRP is $56, on sale at $42. Kit DRL O-113 is a 16 foot boxcar with Tichy and Grandt parts. The MSRP is $34, on sale at $27. Kit DRL O-114 is a 20 foot boxcar with Tichy and Grandt parts. The MSRP is $38, on sale at $30. Kit DRL O-115 is an EBT wood coal car from the 1880's from a plan in the Gazette, and on photos. The MSRP is $38 and the sale price is $30. Photos of these kits are located in the "111 New Stuff" photos album. Thanks for looking, Ed Fillion [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56988	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: airbrush suggestions

Tim and All, I don’t know much about air brushes or using one, but like you, I didn’t want to use solvent based paints. Actually, I wanted to be able to use latex from the hardware store. I ended up with an Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS. It is a double action, bottom feed brush and it does spray hardware store latex. Changing colors is a breeze because of the bottom feed I have several bottles to use for different colors and one I keep Windex in. To change color, I put the Windex one on and spray until clear, then change over to the new color. I thin the paint with Windex and use a fine mesh filter/strainer from a car painting store. This is the only brush I’ve ever had, so I really have nothing to compare it to. I do like being able to use latex and this opens up the world of craft store acrylics (Apple Barrel Colors from Michaels, I think) and artist’s brands like Createx from the art supply store. The pricing and variety of colors really changes with this option. I hope Jerry P weights in on this, because he knows his air brushes 2¢ worth from, Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56989	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"

Mine arrived in fine shape along with information about plenty of other ones. Thanks Dave. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS" Hello All, We are doing a promotion for the group in order that they may receive a "FREE PAIR" of R.E.A. decals. Simply send a stamped, self addressed #10 envelope to us and we will send you a free pair of R.E.A. decals with information about our "S" scale decal web site. A great way to get information about us and help yourself to a free pair of decals. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc Attn: "S" Decal Dept. P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@lbrenterprises <mailto:dave%40lbrenterprisesllc.com> llc.com This Is A U.S.A. Small Business Enterprise Dedicated To The "S" Scale Model Rail Road Community [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56990	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"

Bill,      We are happy to get the info. to you.      Have a GREAT VETERANS DAY. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) www.lbrenterprisesllc.com dave@...   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:05 AM   Mine arrived in fine shape along with information about plenty of other ones. Thanks Dave. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS" Hello All, We are doing a promotion for the group in order that they may receive a "FREE PAIR" of R.E.A. decals. Simply send a stamped, self addressed #10 envelope to us and we will send you a free pair of R.E.A. decals with information about our "S" scale decal web site. A great way to get information about us and help yourself to a free pair of decals. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc Attn: "S" Decal Dept. P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@lbrenterprises <mailto:dave% 40lbrenterprises llc.com> llc.com This Is A U.S.A. Small Business Enterprise Dedicated To The "S" Scale Model Rail Road Community [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56991	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"

Mine have not arrived as yet. maybe tomorrow. ________________________________ From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:05:38 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS"   Mine arrived in fine shape along with information about plenty of other ones. Thanks Dave. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS" Hello All, We are doing a promotion for the group in order that they may receive a "FREE PAIR" of R.E.A. decals. Simply send a stamped, self addressed #10 envelope to us and we will send you a free pair of R.E.A. decals with information about our "S" scale decal web site. A great way to get information about us and help yourself to a free pair of decals. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc Attn: "S" Decal Dept. P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@lbrenterprises <mailto:dave% 40lbrenterprises llc.com> llc.com This Is A U.S.A. Small Business Enterprise Dedicated To The "S" Scale Model Rail Road Community [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56992	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Broken off side rod screw

I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good condition. Any suggestions? Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56993	From: Dave	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: #1874 CMR Box Car

Well, we have just posted a new photo here at this site of our latest redo. It's a #1874 Colorado Midland Railway box car. Please follow the link below to view. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1411883525/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56994	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: "FREE DECALS"

Mike,      We haven't received the request as the offer stated as yet. Dave --- On Wed, 11/11/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:05 PM   Mine have not arrived as yet. maybe tomorrow. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bill Porter <wpporter@bellsouth. net> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 9:05:38 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS"   Mine arrived in fine shape along with information about plenty of other ones. Thanks Dave. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] "FREE DECALS" Hello All, We are doing a promotion for the group in order that they may receive a "FREE PAIR" of R.E.A. decals. Simply send a stamped, self addressed #10 envelope to us and we will send you a free pair of R.E.A. decals with information about our "S" scale decal web site. A great way to get information about us and help yourself to a free pair of decals. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc Attn: "S" Decal Dept. P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@lbrenterprises <mailto:dave% 40lbrenterprises llc.com> llc.com This Is A U.S.A. Small Business Enterprise Dedicated To The "S" Scale Model Rail Road Community [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56995	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

Try using a mini drill bit? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Broken off side rod screw I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good condition. Any suggestions? Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56996	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

It's a lot less stress to pull the blind driver and punch out the brass stud from behind and then replace it with another. Or just replace the entire driver. We have lots of both on hand and they are not expensive. Be careful re-installing a stud that has the square recess as it has to be properly aligned for the eccentric crank to function. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 11/11/2009 12:47:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dfsmith26@... writes: I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good condition. Any suggestions? Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56997	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

Hi Dale, � If you have a reversible electric drill using a small bit maybe #2 since the broken side rod screw is 4-40, insert the bit into the broken screw set the drill to retract the screw and that should get it out.  I've never seen any screw extractors that small. � Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Broken off side rod screw To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:38 PM   I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good condition. Any suggestions? Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56998	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

Hi Dale, � I suggested using a #2 bit.  That would be too large. a 3/32 bit or another bit smaller than a #4 screw. � Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Broken off side rod screw To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:38 PM   I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good condition. Any suggestions? Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 56999	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

Sheila Seccia wrote: > � I suggested using a #2 bit. That would be too large. a 3/32 bit or > another bit smaller than a #4 screw. Or check with someone like http://www.fastenal.com They sell "left handed" drill bits that drill using a counterclockwise motion. I've often found that the counterclockwise rotation plus the heat of drilling will often back out a broken screw. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57000	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Automatic Siding Question

Hello, Is it possible to have a siding with AF switches at each end, that is set up for automatic operation, one train stopping and the other going, either using track trips or electronic circuits? If so can someone please forward the wiring diagram? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57001	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question

No special wiring is needed.  Set the switches on 2-train operation (the slide switch between the track branches) and make sure the power supply is not on either the mainline or the siding. By the way, that's called a "passing track" not a siding.  Technically speaking, a siding is a deadend track with a switch on only one end. --- On Wed, 11/11/09, CRCSDiv@... <CRCSDiv@...> wrote: From: CRCSDiv@... <CRCSDiv@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Automatic Siding Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:01 PM   Hello, Is it possible to have a siding with AF switches at each end, that is set up for automatic operation, one train stopping and the other going, either using track trips or electronic circuits? If so can someone please forward the wiring diagram? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57002	From: Jerry	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

Dale, Try using a drill bit the size of the bottom of the threads (just a tad smaller than the hole in the wheel) but drill it from the OTHER SIDE (inside) OF THE WHEEL. That way, there is a chance that the drill action will catch the broken piece and unscrew the broken piece out of the wheel to the outside. The added pressure of drilling may be all it needs to get free. Jerry Poniatowski (who spent MANY a summer vacation in machine shops working my way through college) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about > screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the > broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to > get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it > out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. > I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good > condition. Any suggestions? > > Dale >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57003	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

If you try to "unscrew" the stud out of the wheel you will ruin the wheel. It is splined not threaded. You need to drive it out with a small drift. Steve SnS In a message dated 11/11/2009 8:19:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, poniaj@... writes: Dale, Try using a drill bit the size of the bottom of the threads (just a tad smaller than the hole in the wheel) but drill it from the OTHER SIDE (inside) OF THE WHEEL. That way, there is a chance that the drill action will catch the broken piece and unscrew the broken piece out of the wheel to the outside. The added pressure of drilling may be all it needs to get free. Jerry Poniatowski (who spent MANY a summer vacation in machine shops working my way through college) --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Dale Smith <dfsmith26@.df> wrote: > > I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about > screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the > broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to > get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it > out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. > I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good > condition. Any suggestions? > > Dale > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57004	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

Jerry and George, and all others Thanks for the ideas. I think Jerry's idea of going from the back or George's use of left handed drills will do it. Going from the back has the advantage of being able to use the drill press, which only goes clockwise and getting a more precise hole, but requires the removal of the wheel, while using the left hand drill in a reversible drill is not as precise, but leaves the wheel on. Maybe a small hole to start on the drill press to make a pilot hole followed by use of the the left hand drill will give me the best of all worlds. I couldn't find left handed drills at the site linked but found others online. Thanks, Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57005	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question

<No special wiring is needed. Set the switches on 2-train operation (the slide switch between the track <branches) and make sure the power supply is not <on either the mainline or the siding. Im looking for automatic operation, two trains heading at each other. One stopping, throwing the swicth for the other, the other leaving the passing siding. There must be electronics involved, using something like the RR-Concepts switchman. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57006	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

I think we may be talking about two different things. The screw is broken off in the wheel, not in the stud, fortunately. I took the screw out of another locomotive and the hole goes all the way through. Presumably it is threaded all the way through too, so I think Jerry's suggestion might work. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57007	From: Dave	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Your Product Advertised

We have been approached by a few of you at this site to ask about advertising your product at our web site so we are proposing this offer to all here with a "QUILITY "S" SCALE PRODUCT" that you want to put on the web. 1. This must be a "PRODUCT" of your own making and produced in the U.S.A. only. 2. Your "PRODUCT" must be of high quality and for the "S" scale market. 3. Your product can not be one of a kind but must be produced in a quanity of at least 50 or more. 4. You "MUST ACCEPT A FULL REFUND" if the product fails from a defect in the product under normal use. 5. We (LBR Enterprises, llc) does not guarantee your product. 6. We will do all of the art and text work involved with your product. ALL YOU NEED FURNISH ARE QUALITY PHOTOS AND INFORMATION ON HOW TO CONTACT/ ORDER FROM YOU AND A SHORT PRODUCT DESCRIPTION. We have a limited amount of space at present so it will be "FIRST COME - FIRST SERVED" CONTACT US AT: dave@... or lbrenterprisesllc@... The cost for each product is $20.00 per month invoiced through PAY PAL on the date of your products inseration at our web site. (In other words, we are renting you space at our web site.) We truly hope this brings more quality "S" scale products to the market and helps the "S" scale community at large. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 www.lbrenterprisesllc.com dave$lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57008	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question

I get it now.  Great idea! I believe the Z-Stuff infrared detectors will work for you:       http://www.z-stuff.net/New_Products.htm Put one DZ-1075M on each track; they have limited range so each will sense only the train on its track, not the train on the other track.  Each flips the two switches in the other direction so the other train can proceed. --- On Thu, 11/12/09, CRCSDiv@... <CRCSDiv@...> wrote: From: CRCSDiv@... <CRCSDiv@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Automatic Siding Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:38 AM   <No special wiring is needed. Set the switches on 2-train operation (the slide switch between the track <branches) and make sure the power supply is not <on either the mainline or the siding. Im looking for automatic operation, two trains heading at each other. One stopping, throwing the swicth for the other, the other leaving the passing siding. There must be electronics involved, using something like the RR-Concepts switchman. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57009	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Broken off side rod screw

My dad was a watch repairman, and he had extractors that were very small.  Clayton   OR   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Broken off side rod screw To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:05 PM   Hi Dale,   If you have a reversible electric drill using a small bit maybe #2 since the broken side rod screw is 4-40, insert the bit into the broken screw set the drill to retract the screw and that should get it out.  I've never seen any screw extractors that small.   Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Broken off side rod screw To: "S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:38 PM   I have a locomotive with a broken off side rod screw. I know about screw extractors and have a drill press to make a center hole in the broken off screw, but does anyone make a screw extractor small enough to get in to such a small screw. Or is my best approach to simply drill it out using a drill of almost, but not quite the same size as the hole. I would like to avoid replacing the wheel, which is otherwise in good condition. Any suggestions? Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57010	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Your Product Advertised

Dear Dave, Sadly we do not have any "Quility" products made in the US. LOL, Don On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Dave wrote: > We have been approached by a few of you at this site to ask about > advertising your product at our web site so we are proposing this > offer to all here with a "QUILITY "S" SCALE PRODUCT" that you want > to put on the web. > > 1. This must be a "PRODUCT" of your own making and produced in the > U.S.A. only.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57011	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question

Jack, Check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU If this is what you are talking about I may be able to supply the wiring diagram. Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: CRCSDiv@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:01:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Automatic Siding Question Hello, Is it possible to have a siding with AF switches at each end, that is set up for automatic operation, one train stopping and the other going, either using track trips or electronic circuits? If so can someone please forward the wiring diagram? Thanks, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57012	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Your Product Advertised

Don,      Not so. There are a lot of Americans that build quality products and most of them are in the model rail road hobby, it's just that they don't have the knowledge on how to be recognized  in the market for their product.     This is why we made the offer to put their products on our web site for next to nothing in cost.      We beleive in the "AMERICAN SPIRIT" and we support the U.S.A. and it's people. Dave --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Your Product Advertised To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:59 AM   Dear Dave, Sadly we do not have any "Quility" products made in the US. LOL, Don On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Dave wrote: > We have been approached by a few of you at this site to ask about > advertising your product at our web site so we are proposing this > offer to all here with a "QUILITY "S" SCALE PRODUCT" that you want > to put on the web. > > 1. This must be a "PRODUCT" of your own making and produced in the > U.S.A. only.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57013	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Your Product Advertised

Chill out Dave and check the spelling on the notes. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Your Product Advertised Don, Not so. There are a lot of Americans that build quality products and most of them are in the model rail road hobby, it's just that they don't have the knowledge on how to be recognized in the market for their product. This is why we made the offer to put their products on our web site for next to nothing in cost. We beleive in the "AMERICAN SPIRIT" and we support the U.S.A. and it's people. Dave --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> com> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Your Product Advertised To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:59 AM Dear Dave, Sadly we do not have any "Quility" products made in the US. LOL, Don On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Dave wrote: > We have been approached by a few of you at this site to ask about > advertising your product at our web site so we are proposing this > offer to all here with a "QUILITY "S" SCALE PRODUCT" that you want > to put on the web. > > 1. This must be a "PRODUCT" of your own making and produced in the > U.S.A. only.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57014	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: walk around throttle

Hi all, I have converted my American Flyer to DC can motors.  I am considering   walk around throttles for my layout.  I have three loops and small two yards to operate.  Layout is about 18 by 18 with walk in isles. I would have to have DC output to the tracks. Anyone with any experience they would like to share I would like to hear it.   Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57015	From: CRCSDiv@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question

Hi Mark, This is exactly what I'm talking about. I would have been happy with two trains, but three is even better. Please forward the diagram. Thanks, Jack Bartman _CRCSDIV@..._ (mailto:CRCSDIV@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57016	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Automatic Siding Question

Hi Mark, Now, I remember watching that video a while back. I too am interested in learning about that wiring. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Manderman@... Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Automatic Siding Question Jack, Check this out... http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU> com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU If this is what you are talking about I may be able to supply the wiring diagram. Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: CRCSDiv@aol. <mailto:CRCSDiv%40aol.com> com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:01:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Automatic Siding Question Hello, Is it possible to have a siding with AF switches at each end, that is set up for automatic operation, one train stopping and the other going, either using track trips or electronic circuits? If so can someone please forward the wiring diagram? Thanks, Jack ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57017	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: S Helper Christmas Car

My S Helper 2009 Christmas Car came today. It is a Great Northern Box car with a green pine tree inside with snow on it and it lights up. It will go well with the Bruster the Reindeer car from last year. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57018	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Christmas Car

My S Helper car came too. It looks terrific!! I'm glad to get it. Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57019	From: trainnut2us	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: S Fest 2009 ?

I haven't seen any report did no one go? Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57020	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: RED SPIKE CEREMONY!

Hugo, Che and a Cow gathered tonight for the Red Spike Ceremony of the last spike to go down on the last piece of track for my train shelves. This was a great occasion, as the work on putting down track, started back in 1993, way before there was a Hugo, Che and Cow here. The are 14 shelves, 14 feet long and 14 shelves, 11 feet long. 2 cases of Gargraves track was ordered directly from Gargraves in 1993. Now the empty box can be thrown away! Everything went according as planned. However, when the big hand came down with the big hammer, Hugo, Che and Cow vibrated away, especially the cow, as it ended way down the line. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57021	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Allentown Train Meet

Allentown Train Meet, FIRST FROST, is THIS weekend at the Allentown Fairgrounds, AG Hall, on Chew St in Allentown, PA. IF you are not fortunate to be a TCA member, TCA's Director of Developement, Jane Boyce, will be on hand to "show you the way" to become a member. Many Rail Historical Societies also will be on hand. The Show is ALL GAUGES, ALL AGES, Open to the Public at 9 AM each day, closing at 4 PM on Saturday, 3 PM on Sunday. Admission is $6.00 for Adults, kids under 12 FREE. LOTS of dealers, LOTS of Trains, Operating Train layouts, Train Races, LOTS of family fun. I will have my "almost famous" WARDIE-JAY "TinPlateTies" in 0-27, 0, S & Standard Ga., located near the snack bar in the new section . Stock up to lay track on those cold winter nights. Hope to see you there, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57022	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Fw: RED SPIKE CEREMONY!

The Ghost Writer for D&K RR News/Gazette would like to present his or her take on the red spike ceremony. Mike Marmer Subject: Re: RED SPIKE CEREMONY! FDA Cracks Down on Inhumane Slaughtering Techniques Animal welfare advocates were furious last night when films were made public showing a steer being dispatched with a blow from a 200-ton hydraulic ram. The battered bovine reportedly became airborne and traveled some 300 feet before coming down as hamburger. Mayor Hugo Chavez, whose administration has been repeatedly investigated on charges of election fraud and racketeering, was reportedly seen at the scene of the slaughter. One eyewitness claimed that Chavez and police chief Marx may have actually led the animal to the site. Officials of the Dink & Kitty Railroad claimed the trio were driving a spike to celebrate completion of D&K's branch line, but no one was able to explain the track's destination. "This railroad just runs to the edge of nowhere and suddenly ends", explained one local who asked to remain anonymous. Traffic came to a halt on the Plasticville Turnpike as motorists observed a moment of silence for the departed cow. Representatives of the American Vegan Society were recruiting new members on Main Street in downtown Dingburg.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57023	From: michael prell	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Thanks Again!

Another Thank You to all who responded to my post for a 734! You folks are outstanding! Once again I am impressed by your support! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57024	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?

There were quite a few of us, including a double-digit contingent from the Kansas/Missouri region. I thought it was an excellent show. The only grumbles I heard were from those who did not get their reservations for the meet car(s) in before July. One person told me that there were only 100 each produced of the three cars offered. I cannot verify that. It is understandable to me that given the economy folks err on the side of caution. Perhaps the poor attendance at the NASG convention in St. Louis was still fresh in the minds of the clubs. I apparently got in my reservation just under the wire. I sent in my payment for the Fest around the middle of July. I found several things I was looking for, and saw a bunch more that are now definitely on my list. With cheer, Roy Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com on 11/12/09 7:20 PM, trainnut2us at trainnut2us@... wrote: > > > > > > I haven't seen any report did no one go? > > Jim Siverling > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57025	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?

The Fall S Fest in Rockford, IL was well attendent. State Line S-Gaugers put on a great train show. Venders had a half flight of stairs to bring their sale items into the main sale room.  A second trading room was downstairs requiring two flights of stairs to desend to. Many layouts to look at. The banquet food was very good, usual Joe McDocks film, real auctioneer for auction, and a retired Rock Island steam/diesel engenier as speaker. Water park was fun for family with a pizza hut there with hamburgers and pizza for sale. I bought a few things and saw old friends from across the usa. This was my 20th Fall S Fest. JOHN METZGER  member AFSGSLA.  ________________________________ From: trainnut2us <trainnut2us@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 7:20:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest 2009 ?   I haven't seen any report did no one go? Jim Siverling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57026	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?

----- Original Message ----- From: trainnut2us I haven't seen any report. did no one go? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't comment on the layout tours or the clinics because I was too busy selling stuff. Thorin Marty helped me and I found business to be very good. Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13690 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57027	From: Phillip M	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Parts diagram for American Flyer Union Pacific Talking Station - 799

I just pull a box of my old trains from the basement and started to set them up. After some cleaning and oil the trains ran fine. However one of favorite accessory was the 799 Union Pacific Talking Station, I only wish I took better care of it. I know there are some parts missing and the record is cracked. I was hoping someone could post or point me to a Parts diagram 799 Talking Station and some recommended American Flyer parts dealers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57028	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Instructions for PHM TrainMaster

Good morning: I purchased a Pennsylvania Heritage Models TrainMaster kit in an 'as is' condition. I am seeking the instructions. I will happily pay for the photocopying and postage. Thank you, Thorin Marty Wauwatosa, WI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57029	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: S Fest 2009 ?

----- Original Message ----- From: John Metzger . . . . . . . Venders had a half flight of stairs to bring their sale items into the main sale room.. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > But after we got done griping about that, we rolled our carts onto a small elevator, went up, rolled off, and unloaded. No real problem. I was just glad I hadn't lengthened my cart, as I had comtemplated. It then wouldn't have fit the elevator. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13700 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57030	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Ballast, grass, etc.

- GreetingS - About ten days ago Dave presented a good roadway question set to the list. Regarding electrical connections to Gargraves track, I salvaged hard, brass weatherstrip from exterior doors when they were replaced. Metal snips or shears were used with my hands inside leather gloves to cut this material into pieces approx 1/8" x 1/2" or 1/8" x 1". The 1/2" long pieces were inserted in the groove in the bottom of the track. If the fit was loose, a 1" piece was bent double and inserted. As stainless does not conduct heat rapidly, there was no trouble soldering the feed wires to these strips. Cost was minimal. Hope this helps. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57031	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: Parts diagram for American Flyer Union Pacific Talking Station -

Hi Phillip, � I have a parts diagram for th 799 & 793 in my catalog.  I stock the replacement parts for the station as well.   Please email me your address. Send to seccia@.... and I'll mail you a copy. � Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Phillip M <pmontag1@...> wrote: From: Phillip M <pmontag1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Parts diagram for American Flyer Union Pacific Talking Station - 799 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:16 AM   I just pull a box of my old trains from the basement and started to set them up. After some cleaning and oil the trains ran fine. However one of favorite accessory was the 799 Union Pacific Talking Station, I only wish I took better care of it. I know there are some parts missing and the record is cracked. I was hoping someone could post or point me to a Parts diagram 799 Talking Station and some recommended American Flyer parts dealers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57032	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/13/2009
Subject: Re: Ballast, grass, etc.

Rhett George wrote: > > > > - GreetingS - > > About ten days ago Dave presented a good roadway question set to the list. > Regarding electrical connections to Gargraves track, I salvaged hard, brass > weatherstrip from exterior doors when they were replaced. Metal snips or > shears were used with my hands inside leather gloves to cut this material > into pieces approx 1/8" x 1/2" or 1/8" x 1". The 1/2" long pieces were > inserted in the groove in the bottom of the track. If the fit was loose, > a 1" piece was bent double and inserted. As stainless does not conduct > heat rapidly, there was no trouble soldering the feed wires to these strips. > Cost was minimal. > > Hope this helps. CheerS, > > Rhett Hi Rhett, thanks for the tip. I've had luck soldiering directly to the underside of the track. Its a bit tricky as a good sized piece of wire can make a good enough mechanical connection without having produced a solid soldier joint (which I discovered with 2 of my wires) So now I tug real good on the finished connection before mounting the track. Thanks again, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57033	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Back Up To Speed

Hi All, I'm back from China and have caught up on over 300 messages posted to the group while I was gone. I miss all of the interesting food (duck tongues, tripe, duck intestines, Dominoe's crab pizza, jelly fish, squid, octopus, mollusks, chicken feet, etc, etc) and the lack of any apparent rules of driving! One of the most interesting things to me was that we were presented with tea cups full of hot water to begin almost every meal - they said it was to cleanse the pallet. I think it was to deaden the mouth before eating - hahahaha! Now it's back to the layout. I have the basic framework completed and am targeting to get the surface down this weekend! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57034	From: Dave	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: NEW Repair & Restoration Service

We are proud to be the first to tell you, our clients, about a BRAND NEW REPAIR & RESTORATION SERVICE located in the WILMINGTON, North Carolina area. "LOW COUNTRY FLYER" repair & restoration service will be opening their doors soon in Whiteville, North Carolina which is about 50 miles from WILMINGTON. The Owner/ Operator is JOHN W. BULLOCK. John attended school here at LBR Enterprises, llc and is fully qualified to repair/ restore your American Flyer (1946 - 1966) steam engines and other AF items. This new service will be offered nation wide to the "S" scale community. John will also be a dealer for our LBR Restorations U.S.A. decals. Please stay tuned in for the opening date and contact information for this new shop. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57035	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57036	From: michael prell	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Back Up To Speed

BG1 Great to have you back in the good old US of A! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 11/14/09, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Back Up To Speed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:16 AM   Hi All, I'm back from China and have caught up on over 300 messages posted to the group while I was gone. I miss all of the interesting food (duck tongues, tripe, duck intestines, Dominoe's crab pizza, jelly fish, squid, octopus, mollusks, chicken feet, etc, etc) and the lack of any apparent rules of driving! One of the most interesting things to me was that we were presented with tea cups full of hot water to begin almost every meal - they said it was to cleanse the pallet. I think it was to deaden the mouth before eating - hahahaha! Now it's back to the layout. I have the basic framework completed and am targeting to get the surface down this weekend! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57037	From: Dave	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: #1806 CMR Reefer

We have just posted yet another photo of our latest unit of rolling stock. This time it is a #1806 Colorado Midland Railway refrigerator car with some very rare graphics. Please follow the link below to view this car. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1351673259/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57038	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: The Turn of the Screw (in reverse)

I took all the suggestions offered and the screw is now out, despite suggestions from a non list member who thought I was cheap not to buy a new wheel and was undertaking a dangerous task. I have to say first that my memory of the problem was a bit inaccurate. I thought it was broken off in the wheel, but it actually was in the stud, which I realized when I took the unit out of the box to work on it. I first tried etching a slot on the top of the screw with a sharp, but very small, pick so that I could use a jeweler's screwdriver to remove it, but that didn't work. David Dewey had suggested using a Dremel Moto-tool and that is what I eventually used. Rather than using a twist drill, I used an approximately 1/32 inch burr for the Dremel and quickly was able to get a hole down the center of the broken off screw. That was the easy part, thanks to the softness of brass. I then tried to move the shell of the screw out by using the pick, but that didn't work. I tried sticking a larger burr in a pin vise and using that to extract the screw by pressing down and turning in reverse. The only result was a broken burr. Finally, I continued with a slightly larger burr and started grinding away the wall of the screw's shell. I figured if I got it thin enough it would come out. Eventually, I got the hole large enough, without hitting the threads, to insert the one extractor I had, a #2. I held the extractor in pliers and pushed down and the extractor got a bite and the shell unscrewed. A little cleaning with the pick and compressed air and threading in a new screw got the threads in good shape. The screw now goes in fine all the way down to the end of the threads. In the end, I didn't have to use either reverse drills or the drill press. I realize now that positioning the piece on the drill press and clamping it down would have been a nightmare, considering the stud on the other side. My goal of not having to remove and remount the wheel was achieved. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57039	From: Bruce	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57040	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: SHS Xmas Car

It seems I forgot to order my SHS Xmas car. I wish to purchase 2. Does anyone have a couple for sale? Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57041	From: Jim King	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 next project; send deposits now

I'm starting CAD work on the just-announced H10-44 in the first week of December. The target release time is February, depending on other time-sensitive projects I sometimes get from industrial customers. The engine is a "go-project" and researching the prototype has been ongoing for a few months in anticipation of this announcement. To confirm your reservations, as gathered by Ed Sauers and more recently by me, I need a 50% deposit for your entire order quickly. When ready, engines will be shipped in the order that full payment was received, so the quicker you get "in", the sooner you'll get an engine (or 2, 3 or 4). The scale version is $375, hi-rail DC version is $395. These are resin kits, not RTR, but easily assembled, as attested to by anyone who built or is building the 70-tonner. Payment can be made via check or money order; if paying via PayPal, please add 3.5% to your total to cover the processing fee. When the design is done or nearly done, I'll notify each of you re: sending the remaining 50%, including $10 shipping for 1-2 engines, $15 for 3-4. As always, contact me off-list if you have questions. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57042	From: michael prell	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: The Turn of the Screw (in reverse)

Gee! Isn't amazing how some people are experts at everything? Here's something to remind the "expert" about. One of the major factors that made the United States Fighting man unique during World War !! was the ability to actually FIX a broken part. Not throw it away or buy a new one. Sometimes some experts aught to be reminded that fixing stuff is FUN!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: [S-Trains] The Turn of the Screw (in reverse) To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:57 PM   I took all the suggestions offered and the screw is now out, despite suggestions from a non list member who thought I was cheap not to buy a new wheel and was undertaking a dangerous task. I have to say first that my memory of the problem was a bit inaccurate. I thought it was broken off in the wheel, but it actually was in the stud, which I realized when I took the unit out of the box to work on it. I first tried etching a slot on the top of the screw with a sharp, but very small, pick so that I could use a jeweler's screwdriver to remove it, but that didn't work. David Dewey had suggested using a Dremel Moto-tool and that is what I eventually used. Rather than using a twist drill, I used an approximately 1/32 inch burr for the Dremel and quickly was able to get a hole down the center of the broken off screw. That was the easy part, thanks to the softness of brass. I then tried to move the shell of the screw out by using the pick, but that didn't work. I tried sticking a larger burr in a pin vise and using that to extract the screw by pressing down and turning in reverse. The only result was a broken burr. Finally, I continued with a slightly larger burr and started grinding away the wall of the screw's shell. I figured if I got it thin enough it would come out. Eventually, I got the hole large enough, without hitting the threads, to insert the one extractor I had, a #2. I held the extractor in pliers and pushed down and the extractor got a bite and the shell unscrewed. A little cleaning with the pick and compressed air and threading in a new screw got the threads in good shape. The screw now goes in fine all the way down to the end of the threads. In the end, I didn't have to use either reverse drills or the drill press. I realize now that positioning the piece on the drill press and clamping it down would have been a nightmare, considering the stud on the other side. My goal of not having to remove and remount the wheel was achieved. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57043	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/15/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 15, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 3 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57044	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars

Hello All! I have been looking for the Ivory Soap cars made by S helper for a club a few years ago they are # 1569 and #1570 if anyone has any for sale. please contact me off list . Thanks Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57045	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

What really seems the oddest about it, is the rails at 90 deg. seem to be soldered & yet has crossover wires. But after drawing a figure eight, I see that even if soldered it would be right. & would need the crossover wires. I think it might have been done to avoid the look of the black plastic. In a message dated 11/14/2009 4:36:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, goatfarm@... writes: That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57046	From: Bruce	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Mike, I know what you mean. It almost looks upside down, and if the ties weren't upright that would have been my first impression. Of course, then I'd notice the rails being right side up. Just very strange looking. I think you may have hit the nail on the head. He was probably going for a more realistic look. If he was avoiding the look of the black plastic, God knows what he did to his switches. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM What really seems the oddest about it, is the rails at 90 deg. seem to be soldered & yet has crossover wires. But after drawing a figure eight, I see that even if soldered it would be right. & would need the crossover wires. I think it might have been done to avoid the look of the black plastic. In a message dated 11/14/2009 4:36:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, goatfarm@... writes: That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57047	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Ya, but there is an huge gap between rail on the crossover.Mike In a message dated 11/14/2009 5:50:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, goatfarm@... writes: Mike, I know what you mean. It almost looks upside down, and if the ties weren't upright that would have been my first impression. Of course, then I'd notice the rails being right side up. Just very strange looking. I think you may have hit the nail on the head. He was probably going for a more realistic look. If he was avoiding the look of the black plastic, God knows what he did to his switches. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM What really seems the oddest about it, is the rails at 90 deg. seem to be soldered & yet has crossover wires. But after drawing a figure eight, I see that even if soldered it would be right. & would need the crossover wires. I think it might have been done to avoid the look of the black plastic. In a message dated 11/14/2009 4:36:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) writes: That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: __anormal1@aol._an_ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57048	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars

Dear Dave, They were made for the Miami Valley S Gaugers a few years back when they hosted the S Spree. I believe they were sold out before the event, but my memory might be wrong on that. Best regards, Don On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Dave Bellian wrote: > Hello All! I have been looking for the Ivory Soap cars made by S > helper for a club a few years ago they are # 1569 and #1570 if > anyone has any for sale. please contact me off list . > Thanks > > Dave > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57049	From: Bruce	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Yeah, I saw that. I have a feeling he had quite a few derailments before taking it off his layout for good, unless there is a piece missing that filled in the gap that we don't see in the picture or that was misplaced over the years. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Ya, but there is an huge gap between rail on the crossover.Mike In a message dated 11/14/2009 5:50:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, goatfarm@... writes: Mike, I know what you mean. It almost looks upside down, and if the ties weren't upright that would have been my first impression. Of course, then I'd notice the rails being right side up. Just very strange looking. I think you may have hit the nail on the head. He was probably going for a more realistic look. If he was avoiding the look of the black plastic, God knows what he did to his switches. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM What really seems the oddest about it, is the rails at 90 deg. seem to be soldered & yet has crossover wires. But after drawing a figure eight, I see that even if soldered it would be right. & would need the crossover wires. I think it might have been done to avoid the look of the black plastic. In a message dated 11/14/2009 4:36:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) writes: That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: __anormal1@aol._an_ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57051	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2009
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism...

This week at SHS� This has been a busy two weeks here at SHS. Last weekend we attended and displayed at the S Fest in Rockford, IL. The trip started out visiting one of our favorite hobby shops, Ron and Susan Sebastian�s �Des Plaines Hobbies�. They moved this summer to a larger store a few stores over from the old shop. Ron had some new painted samples of 40� and 50� AAR boxcars on display. For those on the S Scale e-group, I have posted images of these samples and of the new store. The next day was setup. Friends Will and Kelly Holt helped us at the Fest. Will brought his 4� X 6� display layout. I am always amazed at how much action you can put in a very small layout. I took pictures and will be asking our Webmaster, Bill Clark, to upload these. We were operating a C&NW 2-8-0 and a Rock Island SW8. Both engines were equipped with Tsunami DCC sound. We had the painted sample of the new B&O USRA hopper dropped shipped to the convention hotel. Our sample featured the large B&O scheme that started to appear in 1952. We expect these and the rest of the USRA and composite hoppers early next year. Once we have Bill upload the new images on the order page, I will let everyone know. Saturday was as busy as Friday. For us the big seller was undec 2-8-0s and Lenz Set 100s. After tear down it was back to Des Plaines for dinner with Ron and Susan. With the store still being set up, Ron was not able to attend the S Fest. That evening I was able to attend the weekly meeting of the Des Plaines Valley S Scaler�s at Chuck West�s layout. It is really nice to see our equipment weathered and operating on a sceniced layout. On Monday I picked up the shipment of Christmas cars. This shipment also included new stock cars (UP, CB&Q and the new CP Rail), double sheathed boxcars (3M and TH&B double sheathed boxcars) and the next batch of temporarily sold out �Eat Mor Cranberries� reefer. These have been out of stock for a few weeks. I believe we have filled all of the back orders. The UP and CB&Q stock cars are in short supply and will be sold out in the next few weeks as less than a case of each is in our warehouse. Our Christmas cars sold out in August, but you can still check with our dealers. This will be the earliest we have sold out of this offering. Remaining items can still be ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html Our 00359 Caboose couplers are available again. The are $2.95 per pair. http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/couplers_in_stock.html We are now making up 00256 40� X 60� track sets and hope to fill all of the hobby shop orders next week. http://www.showcaseline.com/track/SectionalTrack.html We are still waiting for our next new coil load for our Bulkhead flatcars. This car features two assembled reels on a laser cut rack. The price for these is $74.95. We have more gray coil loads on order, but we are now putting these on Bulkhead flatcars. The price is still $62.95. Bulkhead flat cars in stock are ACL, CGW and GM&O. http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/BHFC/bhfc_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html The 1/64� scale die-cast International TranStar tractor with a vintage 40� Santa Fe trailer arrived this week. These have sold very well and we still have a few left. The cost for the pair is $49.94 and only sold as a set. We have to add $1.50 to the shipping as the die-cast set weight is 1.1 lbs. http://www.showcaseline.com/OtherProducts/TrucksTrailersContainers.html Lastly�Top 5 items purchased in August� #5 Gray Coil Loads on flat car (#02065) #4 Track Sets (#00256) #3 �Prima� reefer (#02045) #2 Santa Fe truck/trailer #1 Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Reefer (#02043 & 44) I hope everyone has a pleasant Thanksgiving� Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

E-Bay item # 310181859758 Mike In a message dated 11/14/2009 7:19:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, milepost407@... writes: E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57053	From: Bruce	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

310181859758 ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertguy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: E-BAY ITEM Can't find the ebay item for this thread using numbers mentioned. What is the ebay number? Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Ya, but there is an huge gap between rail on the crossover.Mike > > > In a message dated 11/14/2009 5:50:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > goatfarm@... writes: > > > > > > Mike, > > I know what you mean. It almost looks upside down, and if the ties weren't > upright that would have been my first impression. Of course, then I'd > notice the rails being right side up. Just very strange looking. I think you > may have hit the nail on the head. He was probably going for a more realistic > look. If he was avoiding the look of the black plastic, God knows what he > did to his switches. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM > > What really seems the oddest about it, is the rails at 90 deg. seem to be > soldered & yet has crossover wires. But after drawing a figure eight, I > see > that even if soldered it would be right. & would need the crossover wires. > I think it might have been done to avoid the look of the black plastic. > > In a message dated 11/14/2009 4:36:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > _goatfarm@..._ (mailto:goatfarm@...) writes: > > That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible > to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't > understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty > plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing > one > out of 4 half straights? > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: __anormal1@aol._an_ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ > (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ > (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM > > Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or > home made crossover? Mike > E-Bay item # 310181859758 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57054	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: MObley Library vacation

All -- The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from Sunday Nov. 15 through Friday Nov. 20. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57055	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: The turn of the screw (in reverse)

I'll go along with fixing stuff rather than just throwing it away! That's how I got most of my fleet of old American Flyer engines, and I enjoy doing the finding of junk box gems, the parts to work on them, and the rebuilding more than the running many times. Fixing stuff sure teaches you a lot. Sadly, we have lost the desire to repair or even "tinker" with things, something that made us great at one time, as Mike has noted. Maybe our technology has become too complex, or we have become too lazy. On a semi-off topic note: Some of you know that I have been doing "commentaries" for about a year now. Recently this has been moved to a new location at: http://stumpyscorner.blogspot.com/ A new commentary on just this subject should go up tomorrow, in case you're interested. Read ya' on CHAT tonight... Stumpy Stone...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57056	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ballast...

And, if you want to make it look even BETTER, I'd suggest making the wooden ties a little bit smaller, so that they will JUST press into the AF ties. Closing the ends of the AF ties REALLY helps appearance, and only need be done where visible. The smaller tie will probably also allow you to get another tie between the metal ones. The AF ties ARE hopelessly out of scale for width, but, since that cannot be fixed, I think the goal becomes uniformity, which includes - IMHO - a fairly consistent alignment of the ends, perhaps not quite so random as depicted. And, since the AF ties are black, WHY stain the fillers brown? Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57058	From: EdSauers	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Attention S-Scale Modelers....Smoky Mountain Moedl Works I5c Caboose

Group, Jim King has asked me to collect reservation information on the B&O I5 c/d steam era wood caboose kits that has been on his web site for a few months. If you are interested please contact me off list at edsauers@... and state your quantity desired. If you have a SHS 2-8-0 you need one of these cabooses to complete your train. Jims details are; Target retail price is $125 and will include a 1-pc body, 1-pc underframe, detail parts (all in resin); photo-etched end railings; ladders and window mullions; new decal artwork; mini-CD with instructions/proto pix, etc. Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57059	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Yes home made crossover for sure. Now for the why did he make one?  Could it be the look of the OEM crossover was not the look he was after? Most of you are going after a look other then OEM AF so why pick on one of the early non conformist. Oh, I am a OEM AF conformist by choice, and I like to read what you all are doing to trains out in flyer land. :))     Clayton  Oregon --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 4:05 PM   That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57060	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars

Thanks Don, Great seeing you at the Fall Fest. And, Thanks for sending interested people to the "basement",for the Military Cars. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ivory Soap cars Dear Dave, They were made for the Miami Valley S Gaugers a few years back when they hosted the S Spree. I believe they were sold out before the event, but my memory might be wrong on that. Best regards, Don On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Dave Bellian wrote: > Hello All! I have been looking for the Ivory Soap cars made by S > helper for a club a few years ago they are # 1569 and #1570 if > anyone has any for sale. please contact me off list . > Thanks > > Dave > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57061	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ballast...

My latest thought -- I have been putting down Gargraves Stainless track. I have enough straight for the layout, but am short switches and many of my curves require a tighter radius than my curved Gargraves track. On the other hand, I have many Flyer switches and track, so my plan is to make ties, die them, glue them down then pull the flyer track and switches apart and glue the rails to my ties. I'll try hot glue first, boy is that handy stuff to use. In this way, I end up with a fairly realistic set of rails and ties, and when ballast is added, should look much better than Flyer stuff, no mater how you doctor it up. Dave W. Richard Hosmer wrote: > > > And, if you want to make it look even BETTER, I'd suggest making the wooden > ties a little bit smaller, so that they will JUST press into the AF ties. > Closing the ends of the AF ties REALLY helps appearance, and only need be > done where visible. > > The smaller tie will probably also allow you to get another tie between the > metal ones. The AF ties ARE hopelessly out of scale for width, but, since > that cannot be fixed, I think the goal becomes uniformity, which includes - > IMHO - a fairly consistent alignment of the ends, perhaps not quite so > random as depicted. And, since the AF ties are black, WHY stain the fillers > brown? > > Dick Hosmer > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57062	From: Jim King	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 roster info

For those of you wanting to verify "your" favorite road(s) did or did not own an H10-44, visit this web site to check out the roster: http://www.thedieselshop.us/FM_H1044.HTML You can change the H1044 portion of the address to H1244 to view that roster which shows many more owners of that model. I'm producing the early H10 with the distinctive cab roof overhang. By removing that feature, you get a late model H10 which was virtually identical to an H12. I ran the late model ex-Army H10 at Spencer Museum for a couple years and it's a REAL hoss! Great sound, pulls everything and is a real joy to run with its unique "tuning fork" throttle/reverser arrangement. Owning one of my upcoming models in either scale or hi-rail/DC will create similar satisfaction on your layout. To order, contact me off list or watch my web for an update describing this upcoming engine. Design of the patterns starts early next month, so get your 50% deposit ($187.50 for scale, $197.50 for DC/hi-rail) to me ASAP. Paypal users please add 3.5% to cover their processing fee. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57063	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/15/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 15, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57064	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars

Dear Dave, I displayed your cars and had several nice comments. I love your stuff and my dad was in the Navy. I did not have any cars with Navy equipment until I purchased your car. Are they available or listed on the internet? The best comment was from Robin when I opened the one return box from IL. She was very impressed. Best, Don PS Instead of the usual...."What, more trains" too how nice they were.... On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Dave Bellian wrote: > Thanks Don, Great seeing you at the Fall Fest. And, Thanks for > sending interested people to the "basement",for the Military Cars. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thompson <don@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 9:05 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ivory Soap cars > > Dear Dave, > They were made for the Miami Valley S Gaugers a few years back when > they hosted the S Spree. I believe they were sold out before the > event, but my memory might be wrong on that. > Best regards, > Don > > On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Dave Bellian wrote: > > > Hello All! I have been looking for the Ivory Soap cars made by S > > helper for a club a few years ago they are # 1569 and #1570 if > > anyone has any for sale. please contact me off list . > > Thanks > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57065	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: The Turn of the Screw (in reverse)

AMEN Brother ________________________________ From: michael prell <mlprell@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 6:30:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Turn of the Screw (in reverse)   Gee! Isn't amazing how some people are experts at everything? Here's something to remind the "expert" about. One of the major factors that made the United States Fighting man unique during World War !! was the ability to actually FIX a broken part. Not throw it away or buy a new one. Sometimes some experts aught to be reminded that fixing stuff is FUN!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@att. net> Subject: [S-Trains] The Turn of the Screw (in reverse) To: "S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:57 PM   I took all the suggestions offered and the screw is now out, despite suggestions from a non list member who thought I was cheap not to buy a new wheel and was undertaking a dangerous task. I have to say first that my memory of the problem was a bit inaccurate. I thought it was broken off in the wheel, but it actually was in the stud, which I realized when I took the unit out of the box to work on it. I first tried etching a slot on the top of the screw with a sharp, but very small, pick so that I could use a jeweler's screwdriver to remove it, but that didn't work. David Dewey had suggested using a Dremel Moto-tool and that is what I eventually used. Rather than using a twist drill, I used an approximately 1/32 inch burr for the Dremel and quickly was able to get a hole down the center of the broken off screw. That was the easy part, thanks to the softness of brass. I then tried to move the shell of the screw out by using the pick, but that didn't work. I tried sticking a larger burr in a pin vise and using that to extract the screw by pressing down and turning in reverse. The only result was a broken burr. Finally, I continued with a slightly larger burr and started grinding away the wall of the screw's shell. I figured if I got it thin enough it would come out. Eventually, I got the hole large enough, without hitting the threads, to insert the one extractor I had, a #2. I held the extractor in pliers and pushed down and the extractor got a bite and the shell unscrewed. A little cleaning with the pick and compressed air and threading in a new screw got the threads in good shape. The screw now goes in fine all the way down to the end of the threads. In the end, I didn't have to use either reverse drills or the drill press. I realize now that positioning the piece on the drill press and clamping it down would have been a nightmare, considering the stud on the other side. My goal of not having to remove and remount the wheel was achieved. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57066	From: EdSauers	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Attention S-Scale Modelers....Smoky Mountain Model Works I5c/d Cabs

Group, Jim has just notified me that not all of this dealers are participating in the sale of the B&O I5 c/d steam era wood copula caboose. If you normally buy your SMMWs kits through a dealer then please contact the dealer and verify that they will be carrying this Kit. If not, and you desire one of these cabooses please contact me at edsauers@... to place your reservations. I am coordinating the reservations for Jim. These steam era cabooses would also look very good on freelanced or private railroads. Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57067	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of ballast--

Actually, I'll make them any size wanted, as long as the run is long enough to justify the change. Went with the same size as the existing tie to simplify and keep price lower. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57068	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ballast...

The ties ARE in fact stained black, some may appear to be a very dark brown, apparently due to lighting angle or the piece of wood they are cut from. Real ties vary greatly in color, due to region in which the wood is harvested, age, sunlight, treatment facility and products used for treatment, even where they are stacked in the pile for treatment and storage before use. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/15/2009 11:46:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rahosmer@... writes: And, since the AF ties are black, WHY stain the fillers brown? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57069	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: S Helper Christmas Car

Are these cars still available from SHS ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57070	From: Bruce	Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

I am like you, Clayton. OEM all the way. I've never been a hi-railer (although there's nothing wrong with being a hi-railer at all). Just not my cup of tea. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Yes home made crossover for sure. Now for the why did he make one? Could it be the look of the OEM crossover was not the look he was after? Most of you are going after a look other then OEM AF so why pick on one of the early non conformist. Oh, I am a OEM AF conformist by choice, and I like to read what you all are doing to trains out in flyer land. :)) Clayton Oregon --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 4:05 PM That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57071	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Roseville Railfair--SCOOOORE!!

Hi all, We went to the Roseville (N. Calif.) Railfair show. the club claims Saturday they had 1,400 visitors, up some 300 from last year. The vendors I talked to claimed show traffic was down. We could only be there today, Sunday, the second day of the show. Well, I walked into the main building and about the third table I looked at had a bunch of Flyer with a sign, "All items this table 1/2 off" I asked, is that off of the tag price?" "Yep!" Hmmm, OK, I really wasn't going to buy "anything" because the BB have left China, so that bill is coming up soon--as are property taxes, BUT!!! So, some $226 later, I took home; 343 w/ reverse in tender & pulmore wheels, probably needs work, including a new tender-to loco harness, but pretty good condition, only minor scratches 371, tight axles, though sliders are worn and scratches all around (good repaint candidate--Hmm, WP maybe?) no melts, all trim intact. 300 plastic boiler, parts unit (for $7.50, who could resist?) and a second tender w/ reverse unit. (strange left-over, the 300 has RIB.) 911, no load, one BS, good runner 942, bent catwalk one end--good runner also 30 Baggage car, needs cleaning (I should have bought the 40 also, duh!!) 630 & 638 parts crummies Semaphore with on trip, missing final, and top of ladder. Crossing flasher, late version 3 remote uncouplers with buttons & one box 3 manual uncouplers One Diesel horn control button and can. two baggage loader die-cast "boxes" Plastiville signal bridge in box, with some extra pieces Plasticville switch Tower in box Plasticville Water tank in box Plasticville pine trees in box Then he threw in three L transformers, 110 watt RW model--I think I can make one good one and have two "under the table" power sources. Not a bad haul, IMHO! I really didn't think I would get another 0-8-0, but who could turn down such a deal! OK, I couldn't stand it, plugged in a transformer, and all the engines run! the 343 smokes like a house on fire too. Oh boy, oh boy, Hurk---Trains!! Bargins are still out there--and this was the on the second day of the meet (which didn't seem crowded at all, not even a surge of the usual "after church" crowd. Gotta catch some zzz's, I actually have to be at work tomorrow--err, today! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57072	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: GAME OVER

Hi all -- I realize I am late in picking up on this thread (I was out of state and out of computor for the last 30 days), but if these guys have played their cards well and salted away some retirement money, I think they will find themselves very happy to be out of business. Like any family business, these places are really 24/7/365 jobs if they want to do well. When you finally give them up, it is like going on an unlimited length vacation. You miss the friends and comraderie, but the work part is glad to be done. I wish them the best in their future endevors and hope they are ready! Bill Winans, former hobby shop owner, now retired and living the life in Prescott Valley, AZ ----- It is my sad duty to officially report that after 22 years in business, G&M Train & Hobby will close its doors on December 31, 2009.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57073	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: S Helper Christmas Car

Dear SS, We sold out in August. Guess I under ordered.... I am hoping a few hobby shops have these in stock. I have asked one if he has any left. Best regards, Don On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:18 PM, SSabino39@... wrote: > Are these cars still available from SHS ? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57074	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Thanks Bruce.  --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 7:49 PM   I am like you, Clayton. OEM all the way. I've never been a hi-railer (although there's nothing wrong with being a hi-railer at all). Just not my cup of tea. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Yes home made crossover for sure. Now for the why did he make one? Could it be the look of the OEM crossover was not the look he was after? Most of you are going after a look other then OEM AF so why pick on one of the early non conformist. Oh, I am a OEM AF conformist by choice, and I like to read what you all are doing to trains out in flyer land. :)) Clayton Oregon --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Bruce <goatfarm@comcast. net> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@comcast. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 4:05 PM That is, without a doubt, home made. I don't see how it would be possible to keep engines or cars from derailing with that arrangement. What I can't understand is, since crossovers are a dime a dozen (or seem to be pretty plentiful) why in the heck would anybody go to the trouble of constructing one out of 4 half straights? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Would the crossover even work in this auction. Also was this a Gilbert or home made crossover? Mike E-Bay item # 310181859758 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57075	From: Gary	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Action box car loading

Anyone had any luck with finding an easy way to load milk cans in these cars? My fingers must be too big to put these cans in the car without tipping them over. Also, any luck with using the loading platform to load these into the car? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57076	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: Ivory Soap cars

Hello Don, We are working on our 2010 run as we speak and will send pictures as so as we have them. Thanks for the support! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ivory Soap cars Dear Dave, I displayed your cars and had several nice comments. I love your stuff and my dad was in the Navy. I did not have any cars with Navy equipment until I purchased your car. Are they available or listed on the internet? The best comment was from Robin when I opened the one return box from IL. She was very impressed. Best, Don PS Instead of the usual...."What, more trains" too how nice they were.... On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Dave Bellian wrote: > Thanks Don, Great seeing you at the Fall Fest. And, Thanks for > sending interested people to the "basement",for the Military Cars. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thompson <don@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 9:05 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ivory Soap cars > > Dear Dave, > They were made for the Miami Valley S Gaugers a few years back when > they hosted the S Spree. I believe they were sold out before the > event, but my memory might be wrong on that. > Best regards, > Don > > On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Dave Bellian wrote: > > > Hello All! I have been looking for the Ivory Soap cars made by S > > helper for a club a few years ago they are # 1569 and #1570 if > > anyone has any for sale. please contact me off list . > > Thanks > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57077	From: Dave	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: IVORY SNOW DECAL SET

We are now offering a set of decals for an IVORY SNOW LAUNDRY FLAKES refrigerator car. we have just posted the photo of these at this site. Please follow the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/656696568/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 dave@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57078	From: Jim King	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Reserving the FM H10-44

I'm all in favor of supporting my dealers but I don't want to duplicate production efforts either. Ed Sauers went to his various sources at my request a few months ago to gather interest for the H10-44. Dealers were not contacted since I take care of that. Now that this is a "go" project and Ron Sebastian has offered decals to go with the engine, some of you have emailed me indicating you'll be ordering thru Des Plaines Hobbies to get "the deal". Again, I fully support Ron and my other dealers. For those of you who replied to Ed's inquiry but will be supporting YOUR local dealer, please contact me off-list verifying you've transferred your reservation so I can update my spreadsheet. Thanks to all who've responded so far. There are MANY others who have not contacted me to verify your reservation, so another reminder will be sent later this week. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57079	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading

Hi Gary, � Do you have a 973 Milk Car or do have a regular action box car or a 732 Operating Baggage Car.  The Milk cans for the 973 are different than the square base milk cans for the 732 & the 734 & 974 Action Box Cars.  The XA11520 Square Base milk Cans and the PA11180 Merchandise Cubes can be loaded from the 771 Loading Platform. Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote: From: Gary <headlap2005@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Action box car loading To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:57 AM   Anyone had any luck with finding an easy way to load milk cans in these cars? My fingers must be too big to put these cans in the car without tipping them over. Also, any luck with using the loading platform to load these into the car? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57080	From: Jim King	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Pete Vanvliet contact me

I'm trying to contact Pete Vanvliet but his emails keep bouncing. Can someone let me know (assuming he doesn't get this either) how to get in touch with him? Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57081	From: Dave	Date: 11/16/2009
Subject: Decal Dealers Wanted :o)

We find that we now have openings for 5 independent dealers for our line of "S" scale decals. If interested please cantact us at: lbrenterprisesllc@... We look forward to working with our 5 new dealers. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57082	From: afvair	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Looking for Mike Strickland's AF smoke

I am a occasional visitor to this site. A friend at our last trains show had a bottle of AF smoke called "ANORMAL1"...it smoked like a champ, and I would like to get some. Is there a website where I can buy this? How can I get ahold of Mike? Does he visit here? Thanks, Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57083	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Looking for Mike Strickland's AF smoke

Mike Strickland, the master of smoke is on this list. He probably will get in touch with you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: afvair To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for Mike Strickland's AF smoke I am a occasional visitor to this site. A friend at our last trains show had a bottle of AF smoke called "ANORMAL1"...it smoked like a champ, and I would like to get some. Is there a website where I can buy this? How can I get ahold of Mike? Does he visit here? Thanks, Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57084	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Blocking Emails

Hi, Many of you have received emails from a certain person, like I have in the past. The last month this person wanted to sell me trains, then he would go in the opposite direction and criticize my emails to the list as he would rant on about trains being made in China. I did block his email address, but his emails would go to the delete box, as I still would see them. So, I wanted to see if I could keep his emails from every reaching my computer, period. Well, I did and it works. What you need to do is just click on the email that has the address you do not want to reach the computer. No need to open. Then got to the tabs at the top of the email program and click on Message and go down to "Create Rule From Message". Click the first box you see in 1. create your rule, go down to "Create Action" click delete it. In the third box you should see the email address you want to delete for good. Click OK and you are done. No more pain in the neck. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57085	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

Mike....Anyway to master this or bulk e-mails so I can put several hundred SPAMS in it at once??? Thanks Bob   PS I did get a really nice HTF "Deep Rock" from him once... Was very fair and was happy --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:26 AM   Hi, Many of you have received emails from a certain person, like I have in the past. The last month this person wanted to sell me trains, then he would go in the opposite direction and criticize my emails to the list as he would rant on about trains being made in China. I did block his email address, but his emails would go to the delete box, as I still would see them. So, I wanted to see if I could keep his emails from every reaching my computer, period. Well, I did and it works. What you need to do is just click on the email that has the address you do not want to reach the computer. No need to open. Then got to the tabs at the top of the email program and click on Message and go down to "Create Rule From Message". Click the first box you see in 1. create your rule, go down to "Create Action" click delete it. In the third box you should see the email address you want to delete for good. Click OK and you are done. No more pain in the neck. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57086	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

No idea, call your internet provider. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails Mike....Anyway to master this or bulk e-mails so I can put several hundred SPAMS in it at once??? Thanks Bob PS I did get a really nice HTF "Deep Rock" from him once... Was very fair and was happy --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:26 AM Hi, Many of you have received emails from a certain person, like I have in the past. The last month this person wanted to sell me trains, then he would go in the opposite direction and criticize my emails to the list as he would rant on about trains being made in China. I did block his email address, but his emails would go to the delete box, as I still would see them. So, I wanted to see if I could keep his emails from every reaching my computer, period. Well, I did and it works. What you need to do is just click on the email that has the address you do not want to reach the computer. No need to open. Then got to the tabs at the top of the email program and click on Message and go down to "Create Rule From Message". Click the first box you see in 1. create your rule, go down to "Create Action" click delete it. In the third box you should see the email address you want to delete for good. Click OK and you are done. No more pain in the neck. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57087	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

Thanks for the tip. Mike, That guy is good at manipulating the system to disguise his real return address. Don't be surprised if he figures a way to out wit the system, again. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:27 AM To: S trains Subject: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails Hi, Many of you have received emails from a certain person, like I have in the past. The last month this person wanted to sell me trains, then he would go in the opposite direction and criticize my emails to the list as he would rant on about trains being made in China. I did block his email address, but his emails would go to the delete box, as I still would see them. So, I wanted to see if I could keep his emails from every reaching my computer, period. Well, I did and it works. What you need to do is just click on the email that has the address you do not want to reach the computer. No need to open. Then got to the tabs at the top of the email program and click on Message and go down to "Create Rule From Message". Click the first box you see in 1. create your rule, go down to "Create Action" click delete it. In the third box you should see the email address you want to delete for good. Click OK and you are done. No more pain in the neck. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57088	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Christmas Car

The Christmas car from S Helper this year is really super with the lighted tree in the boxcar. Even my wife's co-worker where talking about ideas for next year's car. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57089	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID

Anyone wanting to order smoke fluid, just E-Mail your name & address. Then a check to the address below. a 4oz bottle w/dropper $10 + $3 shipping Add $2 if you want a funnel. Mike E-Mail : _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57090	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Many of you have received emails from a certain person, like I have in > the past. > > The last month this person wanted to sell me trains, then he would go in > the opposite direction and criticize my emails to the list Same technique I used. I also got tired of the criticize me first then try to sell me something e-mails. Obviously not a marketing genius! ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57091	From: Dave	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Your Local Hobby Shop

Our line of "S" scale decals will be avaliable at your local hobby shop in the near future. If they do not carry our decals as yet, please request they contact us for information on this subject. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57092	From: EdSauers	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: FOR SALE NEW Micro Mark Topper kit #84306 mounts on plasticville co

Group, Decided not to use this tower on my layout so this NEW Micro Mark Topper kit #84306 is for Sale, $15 plus $4.95 for priority mail shipping. I also have a new plasticville coaling tower available if interested. Paypal accepted if you pay the 3.5% fee. Please contact me at edsauers@gmail if interested. Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57093	From: David Haslauer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: AF #313 steam engine

Hi all,   I picked up a AF #313  for $20 at a local train show that was in pieces and parts and full of some kind of white corrosion in the tender. I have cleaned it up. The e-unit and motor works fine but something I noticed that I haven't seen before on my other Flyers, there are no screw holes for a jack panel on the boiler. Was this common for the #313's and some other engines?? Also, did the #313 have a smoke unit in it??   Thanks David in New Orleans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57094	From: Dave	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: #1879 SLRX, IVORY SNOW REEFER

We have just posted our latest billboard reefer photo to the web site. Please follow the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1058272860/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all ;o) Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57095	From: Al	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF #313 steam engine

Hi David, Wow, it sounds like you got quite a deal there! Yes, 313's definitely do have smoke and choo-choo. The two that I have are direct wired from the tender to the engine motor - no plug/jack panel. And neither of mine have the holes for the jack panel. I believe they are all this way. Interestingly, the 326 Hudson seemes to come both ways - I have both versions. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, David Haslauer <afironhorse@...> wrote: > > Hi all, >   > I picked up a AF #313  for $20 at a local train show that was in pieces and parts and full of some kind of white corrosion in the tender. I have cleaned it up. The e-unit and motor works fine but something I noticed that I haven't seen before on my other Flyers, there are no screw holes for a jack panel on the boiler. Was this common for the #313's and some other engines?? Also, did the #313 have a smoke unit in it?? >   > Thanks > David in New Orleans > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57096	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

I hope you all realize that he can read every word of what you post because the group messages on S-Trains are available to the public. You don't have to be a member to go on Yahoo groups to read it. I think Yahoo even lets the public respond to individual members, as the messages I have gotten have been sent through Yahoo Groups. I think this option can be set by the moderators who, I am sure, have weighed the pro's and con's of the way they have it set. Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57097	From: Jim V	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)

Sorry it took so long to get back and acknowledge and thank you for your input. These engines already have can motors and  they operate very well on the bench, that is, no track. I did some more investigating and found that the front trucks on both engines had contact to the track only via the slider, the back truck had contact via the slider and THE WHEELS - like the Gilbert units.  I fixed the front trucks so there was contact by slider and wheels and the hesitations and went away.  Long story short the problem is simply due to the lack of sufficient and continuous contact to the rails. Regards, JimV ________________________________ From: Jim V <jimmyv42@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 10:49:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel 8100 ALCO PA (& 8150)   Greetings to all! I have been monitoring this list for more than a few years and have found the info and spirit of fellowship second to none.  Now I am in need of some input and advice. Both of the referenced Diesels seem to have some sort of contact problem (the 8150 is the worse of the 2) - partucurlary going forward.  It moves less that an inch and shuts down, if it does move, it's not for long and than an abrupt stop (which derails a few of the cars), very frustrating.  I have compromised in putting the powered unit last but this while an improvement is also is undependable.  The units have been serviced and on run the test bench (not on track) they operate flawlessly. I seem to recall some remarks about a problem with the Erie ALCO's and there was a repair kit? but I have only a faint recollection.  Anyway, I sure would be grateful for any insight and a remedy. Many thanks, JimmyV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57098	From: Gary	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading

It's a 974 and I have the milk cans with the square bottom. They seem to always tip over when putting them in and they don't slide down the rollers very well. If I try and load them with the loading platform, they always go in crooked, if they get in there at all. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Gary, >   Do you have a 973 Milk Car or do have a regular action box car or a 732 Operating Baggage Car.  The Milk cans for the 973 are different than the square base milk cans for the 732 & the 734 & 974 Action Box Cars.  The XA11520 Square Base milk Cans and the PA11180 Merchandise Cubes can be loaded from the 771 Loading Platform. > Tom Seccia > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote: > > From: Gary <headlap2005@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Action box car loading > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:57 AM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > Anyone had any luck with finding an easy way to load milk cans in these cars? My fingers must be too big to put these cans in the car without tipping them over. Also, any luck with using the loading platform to load these into the car? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57099	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading

Hi Gary, � I had the same problem when using the 770 Loading Platform.  The PA11180 Merchandise Cubes would most likely work better.  Maybe a little oil on the loading platform chute and the box car rollers would improve the operation of the XA11520 Square Base Milk Cans.  If you are loading the milk cans by hand, try using a tweezers to line those up. � Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote: From: Gary <headlap2005@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Action box car loading To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:14 PM   It's a 974 and I have the milk cans with the square bottom. They seem to always tip over when putting them in and they don't slide down the rollers very well. If I try and load them with the loading platform, they always go in crooked, if they get in there at all. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Gary, > Do you have a 973 Milk Car or do have a regular action box car or a 732 Operating Baggage Car. The Milk cans for the 973 are different than the square base milk cans for the 732 & the 734 & 974 Action Box Cars. The XA11520 Square Base milk Cans and the PA11180 Merchandise Cubes can be loaded from the 771 Loading Platform. > Tom Seccia > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Gary <headlap2005@ ...> wrote: > > From: Gary <headlap2005@ ...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Action box car loading > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:57 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Anyone had any luck with finding an easy way to load milk cans in these cars? My fingers must be too big to put these cans in the car without tipping them over. Also, any luck with using the loading platform to load these into the car? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57100	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF #313 steam engine

Hi Al, You are correct on the 313 Locomotive and the 326 Hudson.  All American Flyer Steam Locomotives were direct wired for 1954 to 1957.  This would include 283, 293, 303, 307, 308,  313, 326, 336, 343, 346, 354 & 356. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Al <albaker33@...> wrote: From: Al <albaker33@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF #313 steam engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 3:37 PM   Hi David, Wow, it sounds like you got quite a deal there! Yes, 313's definitely do have smoke and choo-choo. The two that I have are direct wired from the tender to the engine motor - no plug/jack panel. And neither of mine have the holes for the jack panel. I believe they are all this way. Interestingly, the 326 Hudson seemes to come both ways - I have both versions. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, David Haslauer <afironhorse@ ...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I picked up a AF #313 for $20 at a local train show that was in pieces and parts and full of some kind of white corrosion in the tender. I have cleaned it up. The e-unit and motor works fine but something I noticed that I haven't seen before on my other Flyers, there are no screw holes for a jack panel on the boiler. Was this common for the #313's and some other engines?? Also, did the #313 have a smoke unit in it?? > > Thanks > David in New Orleans > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57101	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: AF #313 steam engine

Hi David, � A 313 K5 was direct wired. No jack panel.  It also came with a smoke unit.  The 313 also had a super motor & field. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 11/17/09, David Haslauer <afironhorse@...> wrote: From: David Haslauer <afironhorse@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF #313 steam engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 1:40 PM   Hi all, I picked up a AF #313 for $20 at a local train show that was in pieces and parts and full of some kind of white corrosion in the tender. I have cleaned it up. The e-unit and motor works fine but something I noticed that I haven't seen before on my other Flyers, there are no screw holes for a jack panel on the boiler. Was this common for the #313's and some other engines?? Also, did the #313 have a smoke unit in it?? Thanks David in New Orleans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57102	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

Thanks Dale as many of us know that. Sadly. However, I do know that some Yahoo groups are only available to members, meaning if you are not a member you can not read the messages. Maybe a moderator will know if I am right or wrong. If I am right, maybe the moderator can change it over to that well. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails I hope you all realize that he can read every word of what you post because the group messages on S-Trains are available to the public. You don't have to be a member to go on Yahoo groups to read it. I think Yahoo even lets the public respond to individual members, as the messages I have gotten have been sent through Yahoo Groups. I think this option can be set by the moderators who, I am sure, have weighed the pro's and con's of the way they have it set. Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57103	From: hornickw	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Tankar Gas Station

Someone posted a photo sometime in the recent past of a kitbash of an American Graffiti "Food & Gas" store into a Tankar Gas Station using a Flyer tank car. I have searched the photos high & low but I can't find it. Can someone help me?? There were several of those stations in the Richmond, VA area when I was a kid and I would like to try to model one of them. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57104	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/17/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of them you had to be a member to read messages. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails Thanks Dale as many of us know that. Sadly. However, I do know that some Yahoo groups are only available to members, meaning if you are not a member you can not read the messages. Maybe a moderator will know if I am right or wrong. If I am right, maybe the moderator can change it over to that well. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails I hope you all realize that he can read every word of what you post because the group messages on S-Trains are available to the public. You don't have to be a member to go on Yahoo groups to read it. I think Yahoo even lets the public respond to individual members, as the messages I have gotten have been sent through Yahoo Groups. I think this option can be set by the moderators who, I am sure, have weighed the pro's and con's of the way they have it set. Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57105	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading

Hi: Is there a type of graphite or slippery plastic powder that can be used on the rollers? Would oil eventually gum the rollers up? Any help here? Will be 'rehabilitating' a loading platform soon and wonder if anyone has alternatives to oil? Tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Sheila Seccia wrote: > > > Hi Gary, > � I had the same problem when using the 770 Loading Platform. The > PA11180 Merchandise Cubes would most likely work better. Maybe a > little oil on the loading platform chute and the box car rollers would > improve the operation of the XA11520 Square Base Milk Cans. If you > are loading the milk cans by hand, try using a tweezers to line those up. > � Tom Seccia > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Gary <headlap2005@... > <mailto:headlap2005%40windstream.net>> wrote: > > From: Gary <headlap2005@... > <mailto:headlap2005%40windstream.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Action box car loading > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:14 PM > > > > It's a 974 and I have the milk cans with the square bottom. They seem > to always tip over when putting them in and they don't slide down the > rollers very well. If I try and load them with the loading platform, > they always go in crooked, if they get in there at all. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57106	From: michael prell	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Action box car loading

I recently bought one at a local show. After cleaning it up and lubercating both plungers with sillicon, i lightly applied the same to the shoot and bottom edges of the boxes. With 15 volts, that little guy fired the boxes half way across the room. Thought I was in an old Oswego Crap shoot! Mike     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Action box car loading To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:09 PM   Hi Gary,   I had the same problem when using the 770 Loading Platform.  The PA11180 Merchandise Cubes would most likely work better.  Maybe a little oil on the loading platform chute and the box car rollers would improve the operation of the XA11520 Square Base Milk Cans.  If you are loading the milk cans by hand, try using a tweezers to line those up.   Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Gary <headlap2005@ windstream. net> wrote: From: Gary <headlap2005@ windstream. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Action box car loading To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:14 PM   It's a 974 and I have the milk cans with the square bottom. They seem to always tip over when putting them in and they don't slide down the rollers very well. If I try and load them with the loading platform, they always go in crooked, if they get in there at all. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Gary, > Do you have a 973 Milk Car or do have a regular action box car or a 732 Operating Baggage Car. The Milk cans for the 973 are different than the square base milk cans for the 732 & the 734 & 974 Action Box Cars. The XA11520 Square Base milk Cans and the PA11180 Merchandise Cubes can be loaded from the 771 Loading Platform. > Tom Seccia > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Gary <headlap2005@ ...> wrote: > > From: Gary <headlap2005@ ...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Action box car loading > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:57 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Anyone had any luck with finding an easy way to load milk cans in these cars? My fingers must be too big to put these cans in the car without tipping them over. Also, any luck with using the loading platform to load these into the car? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57107	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

Mike , You are EVERY  Yahoo group is that way. I had to join S-Trains when I first got on otherwise I could not read any messages . The Moderators: owners  need to change back so that spam will not get through. Thanks, � Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:13 PM   I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of them you had to be a member to read messages. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails Thanks Dale as many of us know that. Sadly. However, I do know that some Yahoo groups are only available to members, meaning if you are not a member you can not read the messages. Maybe a moderator will know if I am right or wrong. If I am right, maybe the moderator can change it over to that well. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails I hope you all realize that he can read every word of what you post because the group messages on S-Trains are available to the public. You don't have to be a member to go on Yahoo groups to read it. I think Yahoo even lets the public respond to individual members, as the messages I have gotten have been sent through Yahoo Groups. I think this option can be set by the moderators who, I am sure, have weighed the pro's and con's of the way they have it set. Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57108	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

If you make sure you are logged out of Yahoo groups and go the the groups site, and search for S-Trains, or any other group, you will see a notation as to whether the archive is public. S-Trains has a public archive, which is essentially all the messages we have sent, minus any that are removed by the moderator. I don't think that has been done much or at all in S-trains. It is nice to be able to read a few messages before you decide to join, but then there is the issue of unwanted emails. Dale Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of > them you had to be a member to read messages. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57109	From: sscalemn	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

Actually there is one way I know of to read "S" related Yahoo group messages and not be a member. There is a link on the SHS webpage for the Yahoo groups. You can click on the link "Message Groups" for S-Trains (or any other of the S groups) and read (but not Post!)the messages, without ever "logging in". Walt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of them you had to be a member to read messages. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57110	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Tank Car Gas Stations

Locally there were two different stations that could be called "tank car" stations. One was a Cities Service station where the office was built right into a tank car shell. The tank car tank had been mounted up on a block "foundation" and a door and two windows cut into the side of the tank. The other station had a small round "office" building that looked like a vertical tank and had a tank car on a little section of rail which was lettered Clark Oil Company. (There might have been a siding there at one time, but it was long gone by the time I discovered the place.) In both cases, there was a single two pump "island" with a single overhead light pole in front and no garage building for doing oil changes, repairs, or tire work. They were gas only operations. Unfortunately, a new highway spelled doom for these bits of Americana in the sevnties, taking the Cities Service station out to make way for the road (it had closed up years before.) The Clark Oil station just withered for lack of business not long after the new road opened, leaving a weed grown lot that is still there. Like diners, there were once lots of distictively styled gas stations across the country, particularly the gasoline only type. But today few of them survive, remodeled to do other duties, or as abandonned ruins. As a train and car guy, I always thought that the "tank car" stations were particularly neat! In an era when there were many trains running, it was not only a unique structure, but recalled the strength and power of the railroads. But times change. As a former employee of Standrad Oil in the seventies, I know that gas only operations were long doomed because the mark up on gas was so small that you had to fix flats, change oil, and do repairs to stay in business. Too bad this truly American art form has been lost for the most part. Stumpy Stone...thanks for the memories...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57111	From: Dave	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: LEMP Reefer

Good Morning All, We think a little "HEADS UP" on this next offering. We are going to produce, by popular demand, a set of decals for a billboard reefer featuring "LEMP BEER" from Saint Louis MO. They should be available by weeks end. Than you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com We have 5 dealer slots open

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57112	From: Don	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Action car- my solution

I oiled, siliconed, used powdered graphite, turtle wax, and every other "slicker" I could think of. The solenoid worked fine, it was just a matter of too much friction. Purists will not want to do this but my loading platform is a toy to be used, so I modified the chute. I took the chute apart and used a very small triangle file to cut two notches on each end. I then used 15# stainless steel solid fishing leader and made two "rails" on the chute by bending the wire and secured the ends to the back of the chute with scotch tape. The friction was reduced and worked like a charm. I was unable to find a solution to the rollers in the box car. The milk cans just aren't heavy enough to roll down by their own power. What I did was load one can then run the train once around the track. The vibrating car caused the milk can to get in the proper unloading position. You may want to try making the cans a little heavier by using golfers lead tape cut to size. Good luck. Don Bladen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@...> wrote: > > It's a 974 and I have the milk cans with the square bottom. They seem to always tip over when putting them in and they don't slide down the rollers very well. If I try and load them with the loading platform, they always go in crooked, if they get in there at all.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57113	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

I understand Dale, but many of us are getting emails from someone and they are not wanted. I understand that you might want to read a few messages first before joining, but it is very easy to join and then decide if one wants to stay or leave a group. I wish the moderators/owners would change this list to private. That is sad, but it will stop email abuse from someone who is reading these messages. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blocking Emails If you make sure you are logged out of Yahoo groups and go the the groups site, and search for S-Trains, or any other group, you will see a notation as to whether the archive is public. S-Trains has a public archive, which is essentially all the messages we have sent, minus any that are removed by the moderator. I don't think that has been done much or at all in S-trains. It is nice to be able to read a few messages before you decide to join, but then there is the issue of unwanted emails. Dale Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of > them you had to be a member to read messages. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57114	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails

In my opinion, now that should be stopped, as once the owner of the list changes this, if he does, as I think that is Paul York, I would think that link would not work anymore. S Helper is doing a great service to get exposure to the S List, but sadly, people are being abused with emails, ALL THE TIME, with unwanted emails. We have talked about this on the list too many times, as this person loves the attention, but now the owner, Paul, needs to do something. And the solution is making the list private so you have to join upon approval of moderators/owners. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: sscalemn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Blocking Emails Actually there is one way I know of to read "S" related Yahoo group messages and not be a member. There is a link on the SHS webpage for the Yahoo groups. You can click on the link "Message Groups" for S-Trains (or any other of the S groups) and read (but not Post!)the messages, without ever "logging in". Walt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of them you had to be a member to read messages. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57115	From: Bob	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Fall, 2009 1:64MG Issue Update

Hello, group. The Fall, 2009 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine is nearly ready for the printer. Things are running about 3 weeks behind schedule, due to the feature articles coming back late from the proofreader, and other business-related hiccups. But it's shaping up to be a great issue. For example, Bob Nicholson has an article on how to modify coupler pockets to achieve close coupling between locomotives and cars, and Philippe Coquet has Part 2 of his wonderful Canadian Prairies module. Also, there's a special "Your PicS," featuring the photography of Bob Werre and the craftsmanship of Bob Hogan. And, of course, there's the popular "Engineering Dept." and "Eastern Junction" columns, and more. The cover and Table of Contents can be viewed at: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com In fact, there was so much good material on hand that I've had to "bump" some items to the Winter, 2010 issue! But I'm concerned that some of you won't be getting the Fall, 2009 issue when it's published. That's because your subscription has run out and you haven't gotten a chance to send in your renewal. Please fill it out and send it in right away. That will help me keep the cost of sending out multiple reminders down. If you prefer, you can always subscribe online (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com). And don't forget, I'm now offering a half-year subscription. Check the Website for details. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine "The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57116	From: Scott	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails - Private vs. Public List

S-Folks, I really prefer the list stay public. I think inclusionary, rather than exclusionary policies, although not perfect - are best. I think most group members can figure out how to effectively block e-mails that are not wanted. A public list also helps promote the hobby... Also, a small point, Paul Yorke does not own the list - he moderates its... this is an important difference to understand in the context of any discussions regarding list administrative policies. I wonder how most of the others that participate in or monitor the list think regarding a public vs. private policy. Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Blocking Emails In my opinion, now that should be stopped, as once the owner of the list changes this, if he does, as I think that is Paul York, I would think that link would not work anymore. S Helper is doing a great service to get exposure to the S List, but sadly, people are being abused with emails, ALL THE TIME, with unwanted emails. We have talked about this on the list too many times, as this person loves the attention, but now the owner, Paul, needs to do something. And the solution is making the list private so you have to join upon approval of moderators/owners. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: sscalemn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Blocking Emails Actually there is one way I know of to read "S" related Yahoo group messages and not be a member. There is a link on the SHS webpage for the Yahoo groups. You can click on the link "Message Groups" for S-Trains (or any other of the S groups) and read (but not Post!)the messages, without ever "logging in". Walt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of them you had to be a member to read messages. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57117	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Blocking Emails - Private vs. Public List

OK guys, Please observe the new poll on this question. It closes December 11th. Vote or don't as you see fit. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:45 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Blocking Emails - Private vs. Public List S-Folks, I really prefer the list stay public. I think inclusionary, rather than exclusionary policies, although not perfect - are best. I think most group members can figure out how to effectively block e-mails that are not wanted. A public list also helps promote the hobby... Also, a small point, Paul Yorke does not own the list - he moderates its... this is an important difference to understand in the context of any discussions regarding list administrative policies. I wonder how most of the others that participate in or monitor the list think regarding a public vs. private policy. Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Blocking Emails In my opinion, now that should be stopped, as once the owner of the list changes this, if he does, as I think that is Paul York, I would think that link would not work anymore. S Helper is doing a great service to get exposure to the S List, but sadly, people are being abused with emails, ALL THE TIME, with unwanted emails. We have talked about this on the list too many times, as this person loves the attention, but now the owner, Paul, needs to do something. And the solution is making the list private so you have to join upon approval of moderators/owners. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: sscalemn To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Blocking Emails Actually there is one way I know of to read "S" related Yahoo group messages and not be a member. There is a link on the SHS webpage for the Yahoo groups. You can click on the link "Message Groups" for S-Trains (or any other of the S groups) and read (but not Post!)the messages, without ever "logging in". Walt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I just did a random search of anything for groups on yahoo and all of them you had to be a member to read messages. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57118	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: E-mail blocking etc. TOPIC IS CLOSED!

Since we have a poll started express your opinion there. This thread has run it's course and is CLOSED. Carl.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57119	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Speeders?

> I see that speeders are now available in Z gauge. > Anyone have any information about the S speeder we were supposed to be > getting? > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57120	From: Dave	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: #1975 LEMP's Beer Decal Set

Well, here it is and because of the St. Louis modelers. The #1975 LEMP - FALSTAFF Beer Reefer Set we told you about previously. Please follow the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1336297980/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&count=20&dir=desc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57121	From: Jim King	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Bill Ramey contact me

Trying to email Bill Ramey but the last email I have keeps bouncing. Any help out there? Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57122	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/18/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station

Hi John, That was me. I thought I had put a photo of the Tankar Station in photos somewhere, but I could not find them either. So now I placed a couple in my photos album titled Atlas Atlantic Coversion, I think. This was created using a pikemaster split shell with scale trucks for looks and the grafitti storefront diorama with some walls added on the sides and back. Write me and I'll try to give you more info. I have to look at the model to remember what I did. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hornickw" <johnhornick@...> wrote: > > Someone posted a photo sometime in the recent past of a kitbash of an American Graffiti "Food & Gas" store into a Tankar Gas Station using a Flyer tank car. I have searched the photos high & low but I can't find it. Can someone help me?? > > There were several of those stations in the Richmond, VA area when I was a kid and I would like to try to model one of them. > > John >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57123	From: hornickw	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station

Many thanks Wayne, the new photos are a big help. I finally found the original photo you posted in "1/64 Vehicles." As I remember them, the building or its' roof were painted dark green. One of them in the neighborhood of my elementary school also had a simple, greasy wooden rack at the side to drive cars onto, probably to change oil. The proprietor was named "Happy." I also remember the glass jars of greenish oil in racks out front. I took photos of the last remaining one in Richmond some 30 years ago but I cannot find them...probably forgot to have them developed! Stumpy also had some good ideas but his stations were located on the WEST side of the Appalachians and we Virginians don't recognize that area! (Couldn't resist, Stumpy) I will take you up on your offer of more details AFTER I have gone to our storage building and looked in the glove compartment of my Grandfather's 1940 Chevy Business Coupe. In there are several Tankar saving stamps and you are welcome to one of them. I would imagine that they are now quite rare. The stamp might give us an idea of a bit more detail. I'll keep you posted, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57124	From: johntech	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Speeders?

Roy I had ordered one about a year ago, but never heard anything more about it. I had emailed the guy several times about it but never got a reply. No money lost on that deal! Here is the website http://www.briggsmodels.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Speeders? >> I see that speeders are now available in Z gauge. >> Anyone have any information about the S speeder we were supposed to be >> getting? >> >> Roy Inman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57125	From: Dave	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station

John, We found this photo of a TANKAR SERVICE STATION on the web. Please follow the link below to view photo: http://www.albertleatribune.com/photos/galleries/2008/nov/07/service-stations/150/ We hope this helps. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. dave@... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hornickw" <johnhornick@...> wrote: > > > > > Many thanks Wayne, the new photos are a big help. > > I finally found the original photo you posted in "1/64 Vehicles." As I remember them, the building or its' roof were painted dark green. One of them in the neighborhood of my elementary school also had a simple, greasy wooden rack at the side to drive cars onto, probably to change oil. The proprietor was named "Happy." I also remember the glass jars of greenish oil in racks out front. I took photos of the last remaining one in Richmond some 30 years ago but I cannot find them...probably forgot to have them developed! > > Stumpy also had some good ideas but his stations were located on the WEST side of the Appalachians and we Virginians don't recognize that area! (Couldn't resist, Stumpy) > > I will take you up on your offer of more details AFTER I have gone to our storage building and looked in the glove compartment of my Grandfather's 1940 Chevy Business Coupe. In there are several Tankar saving stamps and you are welcome to one of them. I would imagine that they are now quite rare. The stamp might give us an idea of a bit more detail. I'll keep you posted, > > John >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57126	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station

Great photo, but you know you are getting old when you know things that need to be explained in captions for others, such as the fact that "ethyl" was a type of high grade gasoline. Dale Dave wrote: > > > John, > We found this photo of a TANKAR SERVICE STATION on the web. Please > follow the link below to view photo: > > http://www.albertleatribune.com/photos/galleries/2008/nov/07/service-stations/150/ > <http://www.albertleatribune.com/photos/galleries/2008/nov/07/service-stations/150/> > > We hope this helps. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > dave@... <mailto:dave%40lbrenterprisesllc.com> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "hornickw" <johnhornick@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Wayne, the new photos are a big help. > > > > I finally found the original photo you posted in "1/64 Vehicles." As > I remember them, the building or its' roof were painted dark green. > One of them in the neighborhood of my elementary school also had a > simple, greasy wooden rack at the side to drive cars onto, probably to > change oil. The proprietor was named "Happy." I also remember the > glass jars of greenish oil in racks out front. I took photos of the > last remaining one in Richmond some 30 years ago but I cannot find > them...probably forgot to have them developed! > > > > Stumpy also had some good ideas but his stations were located on the > WEST side of the Appalachians and we Virginians don't recognize that > area! (Couldn't resist, Stumpy) > > > > I will take you up on your offer of more details AFTER I have gone > to our storage building and looked in the glove compartment of my > Grandfather's 1940 Chevy Business Coupe. In there are several Tankar > saving stamps and you are welcome to one of them. I would imagine that > they are now quite rare. The stamp might give us an idea of a bit more > detail. I'll keep you posted, > > > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57127	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: question

What the heck is an "S-Speeder"? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57128	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question

An S speeder is a scale model of a one or two person maintainence of way vehicle that runs on railroad tracks. An early example is the hand car that required one or preferably two men to pump the handle up and down to get it to move. Check out www.briggsmodels.com/sscale.htm. To see photos of the prototype and the proposed, but as yet undelivered, S scale speeder. If you are interested, I would not recommend sending any money to the manufacturer. Roy Inman on 11/19/09 1:04 PM, Jack Nowosielski at nowofinance@... wrote: > > > > > > What the heck is an "S-Speeder"? > > Jack > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57129	From: michael prell	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station

Aint THAT the truth!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Tankar Gas Station To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 1:03 PM   Great photo, but you know you are getting old when you know things that need to be explained in captions for others, such as the fact that "ethyl" was a type of high grade gasoline. Dale Dave wrote: > > > John, > We found this photo of a TANKAR SERVICE STATION on the web. Please > follow the link below to view photo: > > http://www.albertle atribune. com/photos/ galleries/ 2008/nov/ 07/service- stations/ 150/ > <http://www.albertle atribune. com/photos/ galleries/ 2008/nov/ 07/service- stations/ 150/> > > We hope this helps. > Dave > > LBR Restorations U.S.A. > dave@lbrenterprises llc.com <mailto:dave% 40lbrenterprises llc.com> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com>, > "hornickw" <johnhornick@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Wayne, the new photos are a big help. > > > > I finally found the original photo you posted in "1/64 Vehicles." As > I remember them, the building or its' roof were painted dark green. > One of them in the neighborhood of my elementary school also had a > simple, greasy wooden rack at the side to drive cars onto, probably to > change oil. The proprietor was named "Happy." I also remember the > glass jars of greenish oil in racks out front. I took photos of the > last remaining one in Richmond some 30 years ago but I cannot find > them...probably forgot to have them developed! > > > > Stumpy also had some good ideas but his stations were located on the > WEST side of the Appalachians and we Virginians don't recognize that > area! (Couldn't resist, Stumpy) > > > > I will take you up on your offer of more details AFTER I have gone > to our storage building and looked in the glove compartment of my > Grandfather' s 1940 Chevy Business Coupe. In there are several Tankar > saving stamps and you are welcome to one of them. I would imagine that > they are now quite rare. The stamp might give us an idea of a bit more > detail. I'll keep you posted, > > > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57130	From: michael prell	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question

I didn't know that either! "Learn somptin knew every day!", Momma always usta say!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:04 PM   An S speeder is a scale model of a one or two person maintainence of way vehicle that runs on railroad tracks. An early example is the hand car that required one or preferably two men to pump the handle up and down to get it to move. Check out www.briggsmodels. com/sscale. htm. To see photos of the prototype and the proposed, but as yet undelivered, S scale speeder. If you are interested, I would not recommend sending any money to the manufacturer. Roy Inman on 11/19/09 1:04 PM, Jack Nowosielski at nowofinance@ yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > What the heck is an "S-Speeder"? > > Jack > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57131	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question

It's a guy that goes down hill through S curves way over the speed limit.....{:>) In a message dated 11/19/2009 12:20:39 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, nowofinance@... writes: What the heck is an "S-Speeder"? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57132	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: K-Line trucks and couplers ? ?

I thought someone said that Big L was going to the S trucks and couplers that K-Line had used. If so, when? Today my TTOS Northwestern Refrigerator Line, car came. "Built 2009 by Lionel ACG" It has the same L style trucks and couplers that don't open far enough to operate properly. The couplers are riveted on, so would it be better to drill that rivet and change the coupler, or the truck mount rivet to put Gilbert trucks on it? The L trucks do seem to roll well, but I want better working couplers. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57133	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: K-Line trucks and couplers ? ?

Most likely will happen when current stock is gone. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/19/2009 7:08:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jfred436@... writes: I thought someone said that Big L was going to the S trucks and couplers that K-Line had used. If so, when? Today my TTOS Northwestern Refrigerator Line, car came. "Built 2009 by Lionel ACG" It has the same L style trucks and couplers that don't open far enough to operate properly. The couplers are riveted on, so would it be better to drill that rivet and change the coupler, or the truck mount rivet to put Gilbert trucks on it? The L trucks do seem to roll well, but I want better working couplers. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57134	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Calendar

KEYSTONE DIV--Annual Fall Meet at St Philips RCC, THIS Saturday, 0800 for Keystone CARD CARRYING members, 0900 for public, $4.00, show runs 9 til 1 PM. St Philips is located at the intersection of PA RTs 999 & 741 in Millersville, PA. GREAT FOOD, Plenty of FREE Parking LOTS of DOOR PRIZES. Toy Trains for sale in ALL gauges and ALL ages. Kids Activities, "S" layout & a LARGE "O" Modular layout. IF you are not a TCA member, National V P Paul Edgar will be on hand to "get you on the path". Pequea Valley Model Railroaders (PVMR) will be running "S" gauge trains at the DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET, PA RT 41 S, Gap, PA from Wed Dec 2nd thru Sat Dec 5, 10 AM til 8 PM each day EXCEPT Saturday, closing at 6 PM. Will also have great Sub Sandwiches for sale on Thursday, Friday & Saturday. ORIGINAL Gilbertsville Train Show, Sunday Dec 6th, at Gilbertsville Fire Station, Rt 73, EAST of Rt 100. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57135	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/19/2009
Subject: Re: question

speeder is that not a hand car which does not have the handles to pump? ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 3:16:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question   It's a guy that goes down hill through S curves way over the speed limit.....{: >) In a message dated 11/19/2009 12:20:39 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, nowofinance@ yahoo.com writes: What the heck is an "S-Speeder"? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57136	From: grant	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Hobby Stores that carry S off Interstate 80

Hi I'm doing a road trip back to Ohio and wanted to stop at some Train stores between Ohio and California. Anyone know of some good ones close to the freeway? Many Thanks! Grant

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57137	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: K-Line trucks and couplers ? ?

Hi JF, � Contact "S" Helper Service.  The Showcase Line has trucks and couplers identical to those that K-Line used on their cars.  These will look a lot better on your rolling stock than Lionel trucks and the couplers work much better.  K-Line couplers were metal. "S" Helper couplers are plastic. � Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 11/19/09, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line trucks and couplers ? ? To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 7:04 PM   I thought someone said that Big L was going to the S trucks and couplers that K-Line had used. If so, when? Today my TTOS Northwestern Refrigerator Line, car came. "Built 2009 by Lionel ACG" It has the same L style trucks and couplers that don't open far enough to operate properly. The couplers are riveted on, so would it be better to drill that rivet and change the coupler, or the truck mount rivet to put Gilbert trucks on it? The L trucks do seem to roll well, but I want better working couplers. jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57138	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: question

A couple of years ago, I ordered some N&W and Virginian brass cabooses fom Cryer Gray Foundry that required a deposit. I no longer have any documentation that I made that deposit, so I cannot ask for my money back. So far, all I have for my money are e-mails saying they still plan to make the models. So lesson learned. I will never send advance money again. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > An S speeder is a scale model of a one or two person maintainence of way > vehicle that runs on railroad tracks. An early example is the hand car that > required one or preferably two men to pump the handle up and down to get it > to move. > > Check out www.briggsmodels.com/sscale.htm. To see photos of the prototype > and the proposed, but as yet undelivered, S scale speeder. > > If you are interested, I would not recommend sending any money to the > manufacturer. > > Roy Inman > > > on 11/19/09 1:04 PM, Jack Nowosielski at nowofinance@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What the heck is an "S-Speeder"? > > > > Jack > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57139	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: Tankar Gas Station

Oh! That's where I put that photo. It is almost like setting my tools down at home and then taking the next two days looking for them. LOL. Yes, I would love one of the savings stamps. It would look great framed and sitting by the station wheneve I run trains at shows. That would spur more people to talk about the old times. One of the special train sets I run at local shows is a train full of cars I have custom decaled for well known businesses in the Richmond VA area. This always gets the old timers talking about how they remembered this business or use to work at that one. I have only used the Tankar station at one show so far and no one mentioned remembering it. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hornickw" <johnhornick@...> wrote: > > > > > Many thanks Wayne, the new photos are a big help. > > I finally found the original photo you posted in "1/64 Vehicles." As I remember them, the building or its' roof were painted dark green. One of them in the neighborhood of my elementary school also had a simple, greasy wooden rack at the side to drive cars onto, probably to change oil. The proprietor was named "Happy." I also remember the glass jars of greenish oil in racks out front. I took photos of the last remaining one in Richmond some 30 years ago but I cannot find them...probably forgot to have them developed! > > Stumpy also had some good ideas but his stations were located on the WEST side of the Appalachians and we Virginians don't recognize that area! (Couldn't resist, Stumpy) > > I will take you up on your offer of more details AFTER I have gone to our storage building and looked in the glove compartment of my Grandfather's 1940 Chevy Business Coupe. In there are several Tankar saving stamps and you are welcome to one of them. I would imagine that they are now quite rare. The stamp might give us an idea of a bit more detail. I'll keep you posted, > > John >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57140	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: About Ethyl...

No, not old "Aunt Ethyl!" (Aw, I couldn't resist.) "Ethyl" gasoline was the top grade gasoline in it's day, because it contained Tetraethyl lead (spelling?) which was used as an "anti-knock" compound. In the earliest days of motoring, the old Fords would run on alcohol or kerosene because the compression ratio of the engine and the engine speed (revolutions per minute) were so low. As engines became better, RPM increased, and higher engine compression developed more horsepower, problems occurred. These higher powered engines needed higher octane gasoline (which actually "burns" cooler) because hot spots would appear in the cylinders and pre-ignite the fuel/air mixture, making the engine "ping" and "knock." Another problem was that lubrication of engine valves was a problem because engines were still "splash" oiled, not pressure oiled, in those days. Both these problems were solved at the time by adding Lead to higher octane gasoline. Tetraethyllead therefore became known as "Ethyl" and commanded a higher price. Later on, even higher octane gas came along and two different octane tests were required to rate it, so it started to become known as "High Test" gasoline. Because of it's higher price, we know it today as "Premium" gasoline. There's a LOT more to the story, but this is as completely as I can explain it without going into detail. Stumpy Stone..."car guy" and former Standard Oil drone...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57141	From: johntech	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: About Ethyl...

My friends and I used to laugh and giggle when my dad said he had to go pump Ethyle in the car We knew he ment gas but it sounded so funny. My mom didn't think it was funny at all!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] About Ethyl... > No, not old "Aunt Ethyl!" (Aw, I couldn't resist.) "Ethyl" gasoline was > the top grade gasoline in it's day, because it contained Tetraethyl lead > (spelling?) which was used as an "anti-knock" compound.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57142	From: Dave	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: #1975 LEMP-FALSTAFF Reefer

Well folks here is the reefer to go with the last set of decals we produced. The #1975 LEMP-FALSTAFF BEER Set. Please follow the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/597431291/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57143	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: FNF

Pequea Valley Model Railroaders (PVMR) are putting finishing touches on our DUTCHWAY layout, getting it ready for 4 days in the lobby of the DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET in GAP, PA. We will be there from Wednesday Dec 2 thru Saturday Dec 5, running each day from 10 AM til 8 PM, except we will close at 6 PM on Saturday. Because we are in the "Heart of Amish Country", we now have an Amish farm on the layout, the popular "Burning Factory" returns with copious amounts of smoke. Trains ( ALL S ) will include S-Helper, American Models, PHM, THOMAS & of course, classic American Flyer. Sub Sale on Thursday, Friday & Saturday. Join us, make yourself known, would love to meet some more "S" folks. NOTE: DUTCHWAY has JUST opened their NEW RESTAURANT, their tradition of GREAT FOOD at reasonable prices continues. Visit with us, "Dine with Dave" (Manager Dave Gruver, tell him PVMR sent you.). Jim "headin' for the DUTCHWAY Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57144	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: About Ethyl...

Geez! I thought Ethyl was married to Fred! You know, they lived next door to Lucy and Desi. Or was that Ethel...? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "johntech" <beebear@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:58:59 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About Ethyl... My friends and I used to laugh and giggle when my dad said he had to go pump Ethyle in the car We knew he ment gas but it sounded so funny. My mom didn't think it was funny at all!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrstumpy50" < mrstumpy@... > To: < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] About Ethyl... > No, not old "Aunt Ethyl!" (Aw, I couldn't resist.) "Ethyl" gasoline was > the top grade gasoline in it's day, because it contained Tetraethyl lead > (spelling?) which was used as an "anti-knock" compound. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57145	From: dalef62	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

I was checking out my 290 loco for the upcoming holiday season and noticed that it goes much faster in reverse than it does in forward. What causes this and is there an easy repair? It is a very noticable differance in speed, about half as fast in forward. It is well lubed and everything turns free. Any suggestions? Email me please. frederick1146@... Thanks, Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57146	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/20/2009
Subject: Re: About Ethyl...

mrstumpy50 wrote: Fairly good write-up on tetraethyl lead. My friends on my Jaguar e-type list always have a heated discussion on the "lubricating" properties of tetraethyl lead. Most cars made since the early '70's don't suffer from valve seat recession so leaded gas is not a concern. Now the added ethanol alcohol is a concern. Great picture of an old gas station. I may model one for my layout, complete with 24 cents a gallon gas as that was the norm in the '60's. Would also love a corner phone booth as those are things of the past now as well. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57147	From: Gary	Date: 11/21/2009
Subject: Powemaster hook up

I've got a powermaster with no plug included. It has an output on it for a 3 pronge plug and 2 turn nuts for wire hookup. Can anyone help on wiring this in to use with a cab 1 remote? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57148	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/21/2009
Subject: Powemaster hook up

You need the Power Adapter Cable connects your transformer to a PowerMaster (6-24130) Instrucions: http://www.lionel.com/customerservice/service-documents/download.cfm?file=71-2893-250.pdf AND http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/71-2867-250.pdf Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57149	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/21/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/22/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 22, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 3 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57150	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

Start by cleaning comutator, brushes and springs, make sure spring tubes are "clear" not ridged. Be sure springs are "stretched". Next issue is armature itself. Common problem, many past threads deal with this. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:27:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frederick1146@... writes: I was checking out my 290 loco for the upcoming holiday season and noticed that it goes much faster in reverse than it does in forward. What causes this and is there an easy repair? It is a very noticable differance in speed, about half as fast in forward. It is well lubed and everything turns free. Any suggestions? Email me please. frederick1146@... Thanks, Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57151	From: grant	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Hobby Stores that carry S off Interstate 80

Not much in Winnimucca - trains or otherwise. I think there is a hospital and of course 12 casinos.... Surprised to find WiFi & hot water! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "grant" <gwbishop@...> wrote: > > Hi > I'm doing a road trip back to Ohio and wanted to stop at some Train stores between Ohio and California. Anyone know of some good ones close to the freeway? > Many Thanks! > Grant >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57152	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: FNF

FNF I've been seeing this subject line on both lists and can't figure out what it stands for -- Now there is a variation . SNF??? Slow in the digital age, no I don't text or twitter either, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57153	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: FNF

Don't feel alone, Tom. I have no idea either... Steve In a message dated 11/22/2009 11:54:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, tstoltz@... writes: FNF I've been seeing this subject line on both lists and can't figure out what it stands for -- Now there is a variation . SNF??? Slow in the digital age, no I don't text or twitter either, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <_http://www.tomsturnhttp://ww_ (http://www.tomsturnouts.com/) > www.tomsturnouts. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57154	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/22/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 22, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57155	From: Gary	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Powemaster hook up

Beings I don't have a cable, can you clip from the posts to the transformer? Do you know which posts are base and 7-15v? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > You need the Power Adapter Cable connects your transformer to a PowerMaster > (6-24130) > > Instrucions: > > http://www.lionel.com/customerservice/service-documents/download.cfm?file=71-2893-250.pdf > > AND > > http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/71-2867-250.pdf > > Carl >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57156	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Fw: Frosty Bar

I asked Mr. Griffith is the National Association of S Gaugers can use the Zippy strip my Frosty Bar was in and he said another publication already asked. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Griffith" <griffy@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Mike- One model train magazine already asked to repriny the Zippy strip (I said yes)---if there are others, sure. Just make sure they add: "Reprinted with permission of Bill Griffith, © 2009". -BG=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57157	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: FNF

Tom, I did not know either, as this started on the S scale list by someone. Friday Night Fun, as I was told it does not have to be Friday to be working on train things. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FNF FNF I've been seeing this subject line on both lists and can't figure out what it stands for -- Now there is a variation . SNF??? Slow in the digital age, no I don't text or twitter either, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57158	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Please forgive me

Oh please, I have sinned today, as at a train show I purchased a Lionel Accessory not made for AF but for O. I have no idea what happen to me, but I am in need of a muffler man for my layout, a muffler man is one who advertises a product or a service for a business. It could be also a muffler woman, but most of these that where used where men. Muffler People usually have their arms extended holding a product or something related to the business. I guess this started with the muffler trade. I want one to be on my layout maybe next to my produce stand, holding a basket of produce or maybe a milk bottle. These things can be found in craft Shoppe's, especially around Lancaster, PA as we are going to Lancaster, PA in December. A O gauge friend, Bill Zide told me about the Lionel Gateman who arms do raise when he comes out of the gatehouse. However, this is where it get confusing, as the Lionel product number is 45N as there is a pre-war model and post war model. The post war model has only one arm rising, where the pre war one has both arms extended. Bill told me that the pre war one has a chimney on the gatehouse, as the post war one does not. It must of gotten very smoky in that house, so that is probably why they got rid of the fireplace, pot belly stove. I went to a train show today in Westminster, MD and that was the very first thing I saw was this Lionel Gateman and it was the correct pre war one that I needed for this man. It even had the box as it was in very good shape, especially the man. No nicks, scratches, etc. He let it go for 35 as I have no idea, if that was good or not, but knowing that the repro man is about 10 with 8 for shipping, I was very happy. I can not butcher this Lionel piece, sorry, as hopefully there is a way to get the man off with out destroying the man and the unit. I then can sell the unit with the box for something, as someone can add a repro man to it. there are no buttons, instructions, etc., with it. Box is in very nice shape. So, I will never hear the end of this on how I sinned today on buying a O gauge Lionel item specifically for O gauge layouts, but at least I had the intention of using some of it for a S gauge layout for a good cause. Oh whoa is me. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57159	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Powemaster hook up

Gary: I wouldn't recommend it.  You need to get the cable (6-12983).  It will work a lot better and it doesn't cost very much.  Check for availability on eBay or any Lionel store.  They usually have them in stock. Len --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote: From: Gary <headlap2005@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Powemaster hook up To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 4:05 PM   Beings I don't have a cable, can you clip from the posts to the transformer? Do you know which posts are base and 7-15v? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > You need the Power Adapter Cable connects your transformer to a PowerMaster > (6-24130) > > Instrucions: > > http://www.lionel com/customerserv ice/service- documents/ download. cfm?file= 71-2893-250. pdf > > AND > > http://www.lionel com/media/ servicedocuments /71-2867- 250.pdf > > Carl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57160	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: Powemaster hook up

The bottom pin is the Common (Base) The middle pin is the 15 volt. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Powemaster hook up Beings I don't have a cable, can you clip from the posts to the transformer? Do you know which posts are base and 7-15v? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > You need the Power Adapter Cable connects your transformer to a PowerMaster > (6-24130) > > Instrucions: > > http://www.lionel.com/customerservice/service-documents/download.cfm?file=71 -2893-250.pdf > > AND > > http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/71-2867-250.pdf > > Carl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57161	From: yabo1@cox.net	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: SHS Xmas car

I am still looking for 2 SHS Xmas cars. Any dealer or individual out there who has some for sale please contact me. Robert E. Yablonski Yabo1@... 949-285-6720

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57162	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2009
Subject: Re: SHS Xmas car

Robert, Good luck with this. I told my wife I could sell this for maybe 200 hundred. She said I better not sell it at all! LOL Next, buy 10 or more S Helper Christmas for resale for the big bucks. LOL Just kidding Don. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: yabo1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SHS Xmas car I am still looking for 2 SHS Xmas cars. Any dealer or individual out there who has some for sale please contact me. Robert E. Yablonski Yabo1@... 949-285-6720 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57163	From: Ben	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: AF/Plasticville for sale...just in time for the holidays!

I have the following excess AF train equipment for sale: 629 MP stock car (1946, crack in floor, slight warp): $10 638 Caboose w/box: $8 638 Caboose: $5 639 Yellow boxcar (some scratches/nicks) w/box: $6 647 Northern Pacific Reefer (KCC): $20 650 Green passenger car (1946): $50 718 Red mail pick-up car (crack in shell/slight warp:) operates fine: $35 984 New Haven Boxcar (older paint weathering performed)...: $25 24065 NYC Boxcar (older paint weathering performed...): $25 GAME TRAIN SET-CLEAN-Transformer cardboard speed lockout included, no game pieces or board: $35/set Green bumper: $8 Green bumper shell ONLY $4 Manual uncouplers (3): $2 each Electric Uncouplers (2): $4 each PLASTICVILLE (most glued): $5 each piece unless otherwise noted: Fire station (missing cupula and part of chimney) Red/white Cape Cod House Gas Station Red/white Barn with slight crack in roof/implement shed/chicken coop/miscellaneous farm building: $8 White/grey church 27 pieces "Christmas" white fence (tall) $10 for all Buyer pays shipping. Feel free to e-mail any questions. Happy Thanksgiving!! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57164	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Train Show

Okay, now that I got the fun part out of the way about the Lionel item I purchased today, as I sent pictures out to a few and many said I did very well and the piece is very nice. The Train show at Westminster, MD was really nice, as there was a big crowd, many families looking for trains possibility for Christmas, as a show is a great place to pick up some inexpensive used items. I think a kid really does not care if it might be used. Anyway, a nice selection of AF, S, as I got some things from someone I never saw before in my 18 years of train buying. I was able to complete a few sets I am working on from 1955 to 1958, some very nice common pieces that go with some rarer AF engines. It seems that trying to find some of the common cars in E or higher is just as hard as trying to find rarer pieces in E or higher. It was a nice ride out from Germantown, on country roads, for 35 miles to Westminster, where a Twin Kiss still stands. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57165	From: lember2004	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster or MTH DCS for conventional AF locomotiv

Picking up on the current thread about hooking up a TMCC PowerMaster, I am wondering about the feelings of group members who have used either it or MTH's DCS in Conventional mode for conventional AF locomotoves - works well, not so well, etc. Any special problems/drawbacks? I've been toying with going that route. Thanks. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57166	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster or MTH DCS for conventional AF locom

The only issue I know of it that both the PoweMaster and MTH Z4000's Remote have power artifacts that will cause a Buzz in any of the old AC Gilbert Air Chime etc. speakers. Both have Bell and Whistle DC offset control for the Lionel/AF sound boards. Both have a sequence function for the reverse units. The advantage to TMCC is there are aftermarket upgrades for remote control and sound and cruise for Locos and accessories and MTH doesn't because it is a closed proprietary system. TMCC locos perform well on a conventional layout. The only issue may be reduced smoke output due to the lower track voltages. See http://www.tuveson.com for lots of S gauge TMCC info. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lember2004 Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 11:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Happy with TMCC PowerMaster or MTH DCS for conventional AF locomotives? Picking up on the current thread about hooking up a TMCC PowerMaster, I am wondering about the feelings of group members who have used either it or MTH's DCS in Conventional mode for conventional AF locomotoves - works well, not so well, etc. Any special problems/drawbacks? I've been toying with going that route. Thanks. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57167	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Decals

Does anyone have a good source on S gauge decals. Looking for 5 strip Pennsylvania A and B units. Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57168	From: Dave	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: ST. LOUIS SOUTHWESTERN BOX CAR

We thought that you all my want to view our latest set of decals applied to an AF #803 box car. Please follow the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/846901522/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57169	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: AF/Plasticville for sale...just in time for the holidays!

Ben, I would be interested in the following items if they are still available: 639 Yellow boxcar (some scratches/nicks) w/box: $6 647 Northern Pacific Reefer (KCC): $20 984 New Haven Boxcar (older paint weathering performed)...: $25 24065 NYC Boxcar (older paint weathering performed...): $25 Green bumper: $8 Also.... I'd offer you $30.00 for: 650 Green passenger car (1946): $50 Let me know. Thanks Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:33:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] AF/Plasticville for sale...just in time for the holidays! I have the following excess AF train equipment for sale: 629 MP stock car (1946, crack in floor, slight warp): $10 638 Caboose w/box: $8 638 Caboose: $5 639 Yellow boxcar (some scratches/nicks) w/box: $6 647 Northern Pacific Reefer (KCC): $20 650 Green passenger car (1946): $50 718 Red mail pick-up car (crack in shell/slight warp:) operates fine: $35 984 New Haven Boxcar (older paint weathering performed)...: $25 24065 NYC Boxcar (older paint weathering performed...): $25 GAME TRAIN SET-CLEAN-Transformer cardboard speed lockout included, no game pieces or board: $35/set Green bumper: $8 Green bumper shell ONLY $4 Manual uncouplers (3): $2 each Electric Uncouplers (2): $4 each PLASTICVILLE (most glued): $5 each piece unless otherwise noted: Fire station (missing cupula and part of chimney) Red/white Cape Cod House Gas Station Red/white Barn with slight crack in roof/implement shed/chicken coop/miscellaneous farm building: $8 White/grey church 27 pieces "Christmas" white fence (tall) $10 for all Buyer pays shipping. Feel free to e-mail any questions. Happy Thanksgiving!! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57170	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster or MTH DCS for conventional AF locom

I run Legacy with 3 TPC 400s for conventional control and like it very much. Used TMCC for years ahead of that and was happy too. The only issue, as pointed out by Carl, is that the "dirty" (not a purely sinusoidal wave form) AC from the TPC's (powered by 3 AF 30Bs) makes Gilbert air chime "whistles" and diesel horns buzz, so I disconnect most of them. Diesel roar's OK. Conventional engines start up and slow down very smoothly with Legacy/TMCC conventional control. On one loop I have a toggle so I can run Legacy/TMMC/Conventional engines or switch to DCC. A DCC SHS 2-8-0, for example, is great fun to run now and then. I also run 2 SC2s to operate turnouts, some uncoupler tracks, and accessories from the remote. Handy walk-around operation that way.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57171	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show

What organization ran the train show in Westminster, MD? Greenberg, a TCA division, or ....? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57172	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Decals

Ron,      You might want to check out our web site at:   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html        Take care. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Mon, 11/23/09, ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 10:39 AM   Does anyone have a good source on S gauge decals. Looking for 5 strip Pennsylvania A and B units. Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57173	From: dphobbies	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale

It's the holiday season and we are offering our stock of S Scale resin freight car and locomotive kits at 50% off. If you have never assembled a resin kit or have been intimidated by its cost now is the time to try one. Also included are the SMMW GE 70 tonner powered locomotive kits. The lines offered are Kaslo Shops cylindrical hoppers and a PRR cabin kit as well as the completely available Smoky Mountain Model Works line. Also included are the recent B&O wagon top boxcar kits as well as the 70 loco kits, waffle box, ventilated boxcar kit, gondolas, pulpwood cars and flats. A complete listng and pricing is available on our webstore at www.desplaineshobbies.com You may go to the manufacturers website for complete descriptions, photos and kit details. Absolutely no holdbacks. All kits will be sold at 50% off. While resin kits many have been found to cause cancer in the state of California, we will ship to most places, there, as well as Canada or the rest of the planet for that matter. I have not verified the accuracy of the California rumor, bur have provided it in case you are affected. Happy Holidays. Enjoy. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies 1468 Lee Street Des PLaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax 1-847-297-4976 www.desplaineshobbies.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57174	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show

It was neither. I have no idea. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Show What organization ran the train show in Westminster, MD? Greenberg, a TCA division, or ....? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57175	From: wyoaf	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

Jim - in my experience, the "faster-in-reverse" symptom for steam engines indicates the need for a thin washer, generally brass, at the brush end of the armature. If by hand you rotate the engine's drive wheels as if it were travelling forward, you'll see that it has the effect of thrusting the armature "backwards" against the brush housing and tubes. For this reason the small washer is referred to as a "thrust washer" and it imposes a small gap to prevent this contact and the resulting friction. When the locomotive runs backwards, the armature carries itself away from the brush housing and tubes and spins more freely. You won't notice the difference when turning the armature by hand, because it's not under load, but it makes a difference in operation. Try this. John Davis Noblesville IN. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Start by cleaning comutator, brushes and springs, make sure spring tubes > are "clear" not ridged. Be sure springs are "stretched". Next issue is > armature itself. Common problem, many past threads deal with this. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:27:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > frederick1146@... writes: > > I was checking out my 290 loco for the upcoming holiday season and noticed > that it goes much faster in reverse than it does in forward. What causes > this and is there an easy repair? It is a very noticable differance in > speed, about half as fast in forward. It is well lubed and everything turns > free. Any suggestions? Email me please. frederick1146@... > Thanks, > Dale > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57176	From: johntech	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Decals

HI Ron check here. He seems to have a lot of stuff in S LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron_tallyho" <ron_tallyho@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals > Does anyone have a good source on S gauge decals. Looking for 5 strip > Pennsylvania A and B units. Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57177	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show

Two private individuals put this show on every year. They make a bundle on it with up to 1,500 people coming in. A lot of lookers but not a great deal of big spenders. Many come to see the layout set up by the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57178	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

My experience has been that eventually the extra pressure of running in forward causes the brushes to "cup" the commutators and the "syndrome" sets in (i.e. the engine runs faster fwd than in rev). The only lasting antedote is for a machinist to face the aramature on a small (e.g. jeweler's) lathe assuming there'ss material left on the commutators to accomodate that. When "like new" most ACG steamers run about 20% slower in reverse than in forward.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57179	From: The Laniers	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

Interesting thread. Please tell me why you also get this symptom with 5 digit steam engines with cylindrical commutator armatures. The armatures are not thrusting backward against brush housing tubes. I have a 21130 with this problem that I have been unable to solve with thrust washers; I now believe it has a faulty armature. For NE1 who can solve this problem for me I thank you in advance. paflyrman From: wyoaf Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco Jim - in my experience, the "faster-in-reverse" symptom for steam engines indicates the need for a thin washer, generally brass, at the brush end of the armature. If by hand you rotate the engine's drive wheels as if it were travelling forward, you'll see that it has the effect of thrusting the armature "backwards" against the brush housing and tubes. For this reason the small washer is referred to as a "thrust washer" and it imposes a small gap to prevent this contact and the resulting friction. When the locomotive runs backwards, the armature carries itself away from the brush housing and tubes and spins more freely. You won't notice the difference when turning the armature by hand, because it's not under load, but it makes a difference in operation. Try this. John Davis Noblesville IN. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Start by cleaning comutator, brushes and springs, make sure spring tubes > are "clear" not ridged. Be sure springs are "stretched". Next issue is > armature itself. Common problem, many past threads deal with this. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:27:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > frederick1146@... writes: > > I was checking out my 290 loco for the upcoming holiday season and noticed > that it goes much faster in reverse than it does in forward. What causes > this and is there an easy repair? It is a very noticable differance in > speed, about half as fast in forward. It is well lubed and everything turns > free. Any suggestions? Email me please. frederick1146@... > Thanks, > Dale > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57180	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: American Flag Co Building

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/recent/1012208009/view Hugo and Che have been very busy putting together the American Flag Company that is in Tuftsville Industrial Park. There have been many issues with the making of this building but like the other buildings on the layout, they have been overcome. the last thing I have to do before adding some more detail is cut out the paper American Flag for the billboard. Already Hugo got a delivery of donuts and coffee to the factory for the workers. Hugo is getting ready to free the Muffler Man from being held captive in a gatehouse since at least 1942. This man does not look a day over 35. I think he had some Liberty nickels and Barber dimes in his pockets. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57181	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

sgaugian wrote: > > > My experience has been that eventually the extra pressure of running in > forward causes the brushes to "cup" the commutators and the "syndrome" > sets in (i.e. the engine runs faster fwd than in rev). The only lasting > antedote is for a machinist to face the aramature on a small (e.g. > jeweler's) lathe assuming there'ss material left on the commutators to > accomodate that. When "like new" most ACG steamers run about 20% slower > in reverse than in forward. When I was a kid, my Dad and I would redo commutators by chucking into a drill, and holding emery cloth down on it by hand. Afterwards we would be sure to clear out the areas between conductors, and it always worked great. My Dad's layout was forward only, but we never noticed any "cupping". Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57182	From: mike	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: good place to get replacement parts

hi everyone. where is a good place to get some replacement parts for AF trains? thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57183	From: AJ Johnson	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: What is standard V/VA for DC transformers for S Scale?

I am currently using MRC tech 4 with: Output: CAB 1 14.5V DC Total Output: 8.5VA Someone else said they are using MRC 6200 with 14V DC 27VA MAX Anyone have tips/suggestions? Thanks, -AJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57184	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show

I am not sure what is meant that two individuals made a ton of money as the admission fee was only 4 dollars, one of the lowest admission fees I have ever paid to go to a train show. That tells me, that the table fees might be less here too. But I do not know since I am not a seller. If someone takes the risk to rent a space, that I am sure had a cost, organized and planned this, as there are other cost, they deserved to make money, as they risk very small attendance as the country is having one of the worst economic fallouts since 1929. All I know that I paid 8 dollars for 2 to enter and I purchased many things I needed for some sets and something I really needed from Lionel for my layout. They made money, good for them. they are the risk takers, as if it was not for them, there might not be a train show. There was a nice crowd and I did see people buying things. Lots of families getting HO trains, etc. that is great. I will say that one man was very rude to my wife, maybe because she is a woman. She was holding a box of plasticville item as she was interested and a man asked her to give it to him, as she thought he was the table owner. No, he wanted to buy it. Bizarre. She was looking at it and it had a needed phone booth we could of used for the layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Show Two private individuals put this show on every year. They make a bundle on it with up to 1,500 people coming in. A lot of lookers but not a great deal of big spenders. Many come to see the layout set up by the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57185	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: good place to get replacement parts

Hi Mike, � You can give me a try.  I'm been selling American Flyer parts since 1977.  You can visit my web site www.ssstrains.com.  I have the largest selection of the American Flyer parts both original and reproduction.  There are other suppliers that are deeper, but none have  the wide selection that I have.   My new catalog is incorporated in the Parts & Service Manual.  Please email me seccia@... for more information. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Mon, 11/23/09, mike <civicman_97@...> wrote: From: mike <civicman_97@...> Subject: [S-Trains] good place to get replacement parts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 6:32 PM   hi everyone. where is a good place to get some replacement parts for AF trains? thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57186	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: good place to get replacement parts

Portlines Hobbies - http://www.portlines.com/ He has it, he knows it and he is helpful. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] good place to get replacement parts hi everyone. where is a good place to get some replacement parts for AF trains? thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57187	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

Hi John, � I stock these thrust washers or armature spacers.  PA10766 Armature Spacer .020 thickness 2/$1.00 and W1A92 Armature Spacers 2/$1.00. � Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 11/23/09, wyoaf <wyoaf@...> wrote: From: wyoaf <wyoaf@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:01 PM   Jim - in my experience, the "faster-in-reverse" symptom for steam engines indicates the need for a thin washer, generally brass, at the brush end of the armature. If by hand you rotate the engine's drive wheels as if it were travelling forward, you'll see that it has the effect of thrusting the armature "backwards" against the brush housing and tubes. For this reason the small washer is referred to as a "thrust washer" and it imposes a small gap to prevent this contact and the resulting friction. When the locomotive runs backwards, the armature carries itself away from the brush housing and tubes and spins more freely. You won't notice the difference when turning the armature by hand, because it's not under load, but it makes a difference in operation. Try this. John Davis Noblesville IN. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Start by cleaning comutator, brushes and springs, make sure spring tubes > are "clear" not ridged. Be sure springs are "stretched". Next issue is > armature itself. Common problem, many past threads deal with this. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:27:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > frederick1146@ ... writes: > > I was checking out my 290 loco for the upcoming holiday season and noticed > that it goes much faster in reverse than it does in forward. What causes > this and is there an easy repair? It is a very noticable differance in > speed, about half as fast in forward. It is well lubed and everything turns > free. Any suggestions? Email me please. frederick1146@ ... > Thanks, > Dale > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57188	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: good place to get replacement parts

You can try either Doug Peck or Tom Seccia.  Both have parts are helpful info on repairing Flyer. --- On Mon, 11/23/09, mike <civicman_97@...> wrote: From: mike <civicman_97@...> Subject: [S-Trains] good place to get replacement parts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 6:32 PM   hi everyone. where is a good place to get some replacement parts for AF trains? thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57189	From: rj4010d	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: RE. slow running forward 290

Don't forget the rear bearing ( brush holder) wears & becomes egg-shaped to the right when looking from rear of engine.The angle of the worm against the drive gear makes this happen.Fred Jester has replacement rear bearings for the brush holders. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57190	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show

I forgot to add if attendance at this train show was 1500 as mentioned, it was not for a paid attendance, as I would say that most of the crowd was families with kids under 12 who get into this show and others for free. I don't understand how the financial gain to the producers of a show has any effect on the show goers except they produced a train show for us to go too. If not for them, there probably would be no show. I am sure there are shows put on by people who lost money in doing so. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57191	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Can anyone send me pictures of these?

Can anyone send me pictures of these?  I need them for my website, TheGilbertGallery.org. 48719 Conrail Bay Window Caboose 48731 Southern Pacific Bay Window caboose 48733 Erie Reading style caboose 48741 CNW Extended Vision Caboose 48743 Chesapeake & Ohio Caboose 49029 Santa Fe Animated Caboose 49816 Operating Stockyard 49817 Coal Loader [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57192	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: What is standard V/VA for DC transformers for S Scale?

I personally like the MRC 6200 as it puts out 14v on "low" setting and 18v on "high" setting. Can use it for anything .... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 11/23/2009 5:55:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ajjohnson.pdx@... writes: I am currently using MRC tech 4 with: Output: CAB 1 14.5V DC Total Output: 8.5VA Someone else said they are using MRC 6200 with 14V DC 27VA MAX Anyone have tips/suggestions? Thanks, -AJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57193	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert and Lionel Flyer rolling stock

I am helping five people sell their collections.  The following are in hand and ready to ship upon receipt of payment.  Pictures and more information are on my website:                 http://www.geocitie s.com/theupstair strain/for_ sale.html For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse!  Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. 9100 Gulf Tank Car.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $55   9209 New York Central Hopper.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $27   9400 Chessie System Caboose.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $28 (two of them)   9701 The Rock Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $26 (three of them)   9706 New York Central Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $80   9713 New York Central Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $36   48317 Rath Packing Company Refrigerator Car.   C-10 mint; never out of the box. $37   48324 American Flyer 50th Anniversary Boxcar.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $43 (two of them)   48705 Pennsylvania Caboose.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. $38   962 Green-Stripe  Hamilton Vista-Dome Car. VG $75   962 Green-Stripe Hamilton Vista Dome Car. G $40. This would qualify as Excellent condition, but one skirt is broken off. It's a terrific car for a display case or a siding where people will see only the good side!!! 963 Green-Stripe  Washington Observation Car. VG $100. 960 Chestnut-Stripe Columbus Combination Car. Ex- $215 963 Chestnut-Stripe Washington Observation Car. VG $200 1953 F5329 Meteor Freight Set VG $250 (no boxes or paperwork; engine has been serviced and runs great; outstanding smoke and choo-choo; reversing e-unit cycles properly 100% of the time) 971 Mo & Joe lumber unloading flatcar.  Ex- no boards or pickup rail. $125 944 Industrial Brownhoist crane car.  This is a beauty!  Ex- $70 945 Work and Boom car on plastic base.  Ex- $45 945 Work and Boom car on diecast base in original box.  VG+ $25   931 Texas & Pacific Gondola.  Ex- $13   740 Handcar.  VG- $65 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57194	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Can anyone send me pictures of these?

I thought Lionel in the end decided not to make that stockyard since the original is very easy to get. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains@... Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Can anyone send me pictures of these? Can anyone send me pictures of these? I need them for my website, TheGilbertGallery.org. 48719 Conrail Bay Window Caboose 48731 Southern Pacific Bay Window caboose 48733 Erie Reading style caboose 48741 CNW Extended Vision Caboose 48743 Chesapeake & Ohio Caboose 49029 Santa Fe Animated Caboose 49816 Operating Stockyard 49817 Coal Loader [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57195	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Train Show

IF they have 1,500 thru the door, they can't be getting "Trump" rich. Most shows start to break even after the doors are open for a period of time. Hall rent, table rent, ADV is huge cost, staffing, security, ALL chew the bottom line pretty hard. MOST facilities are now raising their rent structures because of increasing TAXES and ENERGY fees. One big venue went up 15% in one jump. My observations from yrs of involvement in such activities. OOOPS, one other thing, I HOPE they are making money, or the show goes away!!!!!!!! Jim "runnin' trains on the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 11/23/2009 9:06:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Two private individuals put this show on every year. They make a bundle on it with up to 1,500 people coming in. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57196	From: Dave	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Gas Station Sign?

We need some input from you all. We are considering producing a line of "CIRCULAR GAS STATION SIGN LOGOS" for the plastic ville gas station sign posts and other holders that will accommodate a 15/16th circle. These would be printed on plastic, one side only, which should allow some light to pass through to produce a lighted sign if a person used two with a light source in between the two discs. What do you all think about this? Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57197	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: For Sale...

I have one yellow River Raisin Burro Crane in the original box for sale. Scale flanges. Excellent condition. Test run only. All spare parts included. $350 including shipping. Off-list responses only. On-list inquires will be ignored. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff cujoacat@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57198	From: johntech	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale

HI Ron I really like the new layout of your website. Will you be adding pictures to the S Scale listings? Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale > It's the holiday season and we are offering our stock of S Scale resin > freight car and locomotive kits at 50% off. If you have never assembled a > resin kit or have been intimidated by its cost now is the time to try one. > Also included are the SMMW GE 70 tonner powered locomotive kits. > > The lines offered are Kaslo Shops cylindrical hoppers and a PRR cabin kit > as well as the completely available Smoky Mountain Model Works line. Also > included are the recent B&O wagon top boxcar kits as well as the 70 loco > kits, waffle box, ventilated boxcar kit, gondolas, pulpwood cars and > flats. > > A complete listng and pricing is available on our webstore at > www.desplaineshobbies.com You may go to the manufacturers website for > complete descriptions, photos and kit details. > > Absolutely no holdbacks. All kits will be sold at 50% off. While resin > kits many have been found to cause cancer in the state of California, we > will ship to most places, there, as well as Canada or the rest of the > planet for that matter. I have not verified the accuracy of the > California rumor, bur have provided it in case you are affected. > > Happy Holidays. Enjoy. > > Ron Sebastian > Des Plaines Hobbies > 1468 Lee Street > Des PLaines, IL 60018 > 1-847-297-2118 fax 1-847-297-4976 > www.desplaineshobbies.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57199	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Slow forward running, fast reverse 290 Loco

That measure works too and is what I do in the absence of an able and willing machinist. It works against the syndrome, but usually for not as long as true facing. The cupping is seen when you hold a straight-edge on the face of a commutator. Sort of a rounded trough worn into the comms.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57200	From: dphobbies	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale

John, That is the plan. We started the new site in June, but got waylayed by moving the shop at the end of September. Now it's high season so the photos will have to wait a bit longer. Regards, Ron --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > HI Ron > > I really like the new layout of your website. Will you be adding pictures to > the S Scale listings? > > Thanks > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Resin Kit 50% Off New Kit Sale > > > > It's the holiday season and we are offering our stock of S Scale resin > > freight car and locomotive kits at 50% off. If you have never assembled a > > resin kit or have been intimidated by its cost now is the time to try one. > > Also included are the SMMW GE 70 tonner powered locomotive kits. > > > > The lines offered are Kaslo Shops cylindrical hoppers and a PRR cabin kit > > as well as the completely available Smoky Mountain Model Works line. Also > > included are the recent B&O wagon top boxcar kits as well as the 70 loco > > kits, waffle box, ventilated boxcar kit, gondolas, pulpwood cars and > > flats. > > > > A complete listng and pricing is available on our webstore at > > www.desplaineshobbies.com You may go to the manufacturers website for > > complete descriptions, photos and kit details. > > > > Absolutely no holdbacks. All kits will be sold at 50% off. While resin > > kits many have been found to cause cancer in the state of California, we > > will ship to most places, there, as well as Canada or the rest of the > > planet for that matter. I have not verified the accuracy of the > > California rumor, bur have provided it in case you are affected. > > > > Happy Holidays. Enjoy. > > > > Ron Sebastian > > Des Plaines Hobbies > > 1468 Lee Street > > Des PLaines, IL 60018 > > 1-847-297-2118 fax 1-847-297-4976 > > www.desplaineshobbies.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57201	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Westminster Train show

Yes, the show was well attended and there seemed to be lots of kids with parents continually saying "Don't touch that..." This show was originally started about 12-15 (?) years ago by Richard Delong who was a Lionel man. After his death, his wife passed along a trailer of train stuff to friends of Rich who continued the show. Now it is sponsored by The Deer Park Lions Club, near Westminster. The show continues to grow - it was advertised as 150 tables this year. The contact number from a show ad was 410-848-4929. Dave in Maryland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57202	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: A Thanksgiving Wish

- GreetingS - We wish for each and everyone of you a fabulous Thanksgiving with good food, a fifth of corn-utopia (cornucopia), memoirs and memories (bold and sentimental) of how we have arrived here, and dreams and visions of where we wish to go. And above all, thanks to those who have led the way and the Almighty who led them. Joanna and Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57203	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Westminster Train show

Dave! I wish I knew you where going. It would of been great to see you. Yes, Rich also used to run a train show in Frederick at a firehouse, I believe, that was really good. If it was not for these people there would be no shows at all. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: David A. Highfield To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Westminster Train show Yes, the show was well attended and there seemed to be lots of kids with parents continually saying "Don't touch that..." This show was originally started about 12-15 (?) years ago by Richard Delong who was a Lionel man. After his death, his wife passed along a trailer of train stuff to friends of Rich who continued the show. Now it is sponsored by The Deer Park Lions Club, near Westminster. The show continues to grow - it was advertised as 150 tables this year. The contact number from a show ad was 410-848-4929. Dave in Maryland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57204	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Westminster Train show

How were you made aware of it ahead of time - - a post card, email, or just kind of know it's about this time of year every year? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57205	From: Edward	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Christmas Train cars.....

I have some Christmas car duplicates......For sale OBO or TRADE ....If anyone needs the 1999 Boxcar-($200) or the Holiday gondola with trees($50) also the Mickey& Minnie Handcar.($60).in (sorry for this)Lionel O gauge...all are in Box..and I will trade for things I dont have ...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57206	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: A Thanksgiving Wish

And the same to you and yours... Steve Boise In a message dated 11/24/2009 1:00:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, rtg@... writes: - GreetingS - We wish for each and everyone of you a fabulous Thanksgiving with good food, a fifth of corn-utopia (cornucopia)food, a fifth of corn-utopia (cor and sentimental) of how we have arrived here, and dreams and visions of where we wish to go. And above all, thanks to those who have led the way and the Almighty who led them. Joanna and Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57207	From: wisner_mark	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Sound Decoder

In the process of making a purchase of a Steam Loco. DCC with Sound. Any recomendations on the brand of decoder. Tsunami, Soundtrax , NCE or others. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57208	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: It is done

It is done, the 45N prewar Lionel Gateman was sacrificed for the good of mankind in making a muffler man come alive, IT' ALIVE, to quote a line from a great movie. Hugo, Che, Caesar, Cat, Cow and others gather today with the big screw driver to open the bottom, no tabs where broken, and the bolt was exposed that holds Neil, that is his name, the Gateman. The big pliers loosen the bolt to free Neil from that position since 1935. Inside the unit it reminded of crumbs from a toaster, as this ancient pre-war particles? Neil was freed and he is now joined by the gang who run the D&K RR. He soon will take his new position in life, hopefully for the next 30 years by the Plasticville Produce Stand, holding a basket of produce, beckoning passer Byers to buy fresh produce from this market. Neil did have his donor card updated, as the bottom is going to Denton, MD and the rest is going to Pittsburgh, PA, box included. Neil does play air guitar, I understand. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57209	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Gas Station Sign?

Dave, Sounds good to me, I am getting ready to scratch build a Sinclair Station. You might also consider a sheet of decals with station specific signs for making the stations look authentic. Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: lbrenterprisesllc@... Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:35:00 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Gas Station Sign? We need some input from you all. We are considering producing a line of "CIRCULAR GAS STATION SIGN LOGOS" for the plastic ville gas station sign posts and other holders that will accommodate a 15/16th circle. These would be printed on plastic, one side only, which should allow some light to pass through to produce a lighted sign if a person used two with a light source in between the two discs. What do you all think about this? Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57210	From: Matthew	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: 343 Tender Coupler

I was greatly enjoying my doubleheaded steamers, the 303 and the 343 coupled together and pulling the train around where the tree is going to go. Then a tragic train wreck derailed everything and the only casualty was the rear coupler on the tender of the 343 NP 0-8-0 switcher. Can someone tell me how to replace it and what to use? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57211	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: Westminster Train show

I am not sure if this is directed to me, but I think it is, we saw a listing for in it in the local weekly newspaper and in the Baltimore AF Club newsletter. I will say this is a ongoing show, at this time, that I forgot about. Are you in the area, within driving distance? I think this might be held the 3rd Saturday at the same place. Nice show, allot of AF actually, very surprised to see that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Westminster Train show How were you made aware of it ahead of time - - a post card, email, or just kind of know it's about this time of year every year? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57212	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Neill is Free, Free at Last

Neil was successfully freed today from 74 years of being a Gateman for the Lionel Corporation. Hugo, Che, Cesar, Cat, Cow, and others, used the big screw driver to open the bottom of the gateman accessory and then the big pliers to removed the bolt. He then was welcomed by all and placed on a new pedestal, that will be painted concrete, by his rightful place in D&K RR Company town soon to be hawking veggies for the D&K RR Company produce stand, once we get the appropriate basket and vegetables. He is being welcome by E. "Mosquito" Rodriquez of the D&K RR Pinheads. It is hoped that Zippy someday as President of Plasticville will make another appearance in town. We have not seen him lately. I think he said he was doing some business trips in South America. He might be following in the footsteps of the great governor of South Carolina. The weird thing is, I have a marketing degree from the University of MD and I never learned about "Muffler Men", as reading a comic, Zippy, I learned about a marketing tool used in business in the 1940's and 50's. Maybe in the 1960's too. Who says you don't learn anything from the comics. So, I have the first authetic Muffler Man on any train layout in the world, maybe the entire universe. This will show you a muffler man and definition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muffler_Man Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57213	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler

is it link or knuckle couplers? Can you not just replace the coupler? ________________________________ From: Matthew <mkperks@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 6:09:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 343 Tender Coupler   I was greatly enjoying my doubleheaded steamers, the 303 and the 343 coupled together and pulling the train around where the tree is going to go. Then a tragic train wreck derailed everything and the only casualty was the rear coupler on the tender of the 343 NP 0-8-0 switcher. Can someone tell me how to replace it and what to use? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57214	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Uniroyal Gal

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/set/unigal.html I just learned that the female counter part to Muffler men are Uniroyal Gals. NOW, I need a Uniroyal Gal for the layout. LOL Linda said she could stand by the diner. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57215	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler

The 343 has KC"s.... Just take a pair of needle nose pliers and carefully bend the clip on the truck open a little.... Then use a new coupler, or take one from an old car .... Place it into the clip and GENTLY squeeze the clip closed.... If you are careful you will not even mark the clip or new coupler.... Can the old on be reused? Bob Conner --- On Tue, 11/24/09, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 343 Tender Coupler To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 7:36 PM   is it link or knuckle couplers? Can you not just replace the coupler? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Matthew <mkperks@yahoo. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 6:09:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 343 Tender Coupler   I was greatly enjoying my doubleheaded steamers, the 303 and the 343 coupled together and pulling the train around where the tree is going to go. Then a tragic train wreck derailed everything and the only casualty was the rear coupler on the tender of the 343 NP 0-8-0 switcher. Can someone tell me how to replace it and what to use? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57216	From: lember2004	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Follow-up Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster ... for conventional AF lo

Thanks to Carl & sgaugian for the heads up about the speaker hum. A follow-up question: with a transformer like the 16B and others, you can stop a train without tripping the e-unit - and so re-start going in the same direction. Can this be done with the TMCC or MTH DCS in conventional mode? Thanks again! Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > I run Legacy with 3 TPC 400s for conventional control and like it very much. Used TMCC for years ahead of that and was happy too. The only issue, as pointed out by Carl, is that the "dirty" (not a purely sinusoidal wave form) AC from the TPC's (powered by 3 AF 30Bs) makes Gilbert air chime "whistles" and diesel horns buzz, so I disconnect most of them. Diesel roar's OK. Conventional engines start up and slow down very smoothly with Legacy/TMCC conventional control. On one loop I have a toggle so I can run Legacy/TMMC/Conventional engines or switch to DCC. A DCC SHS 2-8-0, for example, is great fun to run now and then. I also run 2 SC2s to operate turnouts, some uncoupler tracks, and accessories from the remote. Handy walk-around operation that way. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57217	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler

The knuckle coupler on a 343 is easily replaced. A pair of needle nose pliers and a new coupler is all it takes. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/24/2009 6:41:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: is it link or knuckle couplers? Can you not just replace the coupler? ________________________________ From: Matthew <_mkperks@..._ (mailto:mkperks@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 6:09:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 343 Tender Coupler I was greatly enjoying my doubleheaded steamers, the 303 and the 343 coupled together and pulling the train around where the tree is going to go. Then a tragic train wreck derailed everything and the only casualty was the rear coupler on the tender of the 343 NP 0-8-0 switcher. Can someone tell me how to replace it and what to use? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57218	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2009
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Coupler

Hey, if I can replace a AF knuckle coupler then anyone can do it, as I am the King of destroying AF items. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 343 Tender Coupler The knuckle coupler on a 343 is easily replaced. A pair of needle nose pliers and a new coupler is all it takes. Steve Boise In a message dated 11/24/2009 6:41:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: is it link or knuckle couplers? Can you not just replace the coupler? ________________________________ From: Matthew <_mkperks@..._ (mailto:mkperks@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 6:09:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 343 Tender Coupler I was greatly enjoying my doubleheaded steamers, the 303 and the 343 coupled together and pulling the train around where the tree is going to go. Then a tragic train wreck derailed everything and the only casualty was the rear coupler on the tender of the 343 NP 0-8-0 switcher. Can someone tell me how to replace it and what to use? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57219	From: Al	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Custom Steamer Drive Wheels

Hi, Where can I buy some custom drive wheels for S gauge steam locomotives? What I am looking for are S gauge drive wheels about 1 1/16" in diameter replicating real drivers about 68" in diameter. I am not an ultra-scale person, so something close would work. I'd like to use them on a couple ideas I have for custom locomotives. Thanks, Al Baker Portland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57220	From: frabilz	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Ace conversion floor

Does anyone have any Ace boxcar conversion floors they don't need? I could use at least one or two of either the diecast or plastic kind. Thanks, Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57221	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: Follow-up Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster ... for conventional A

TMCC allows you to set a stall speed that prevents the e-unit from cycling.  A special key combination allows you to turn off power when you do want to reverse on restarting, and there's a key for immediate reverse. --- On Tue, 11/24/09, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Follow-up Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster ... for conventional AF locos? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 6:12 PM   Thanks to Carl & sgaugian for the heads up about the speaker hum. A follow-up question: with a transformer like the 16B and others, you can stop a train without tripping the e-unit - and so re-start going in the same direction. Can this be done with the TMCC or MTH DCS in conventional mode? Thanks again! Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@. ..> wrote: > > I run Legacy with 3 TPC 400s for conventional control and like it very much. Used TMCC for years ahead of that and was happy too. The only issue, as pointed out by Carl, is that the "dirty" (not a purely sinusoidal wave form) AC from the TPC's (powered by 3 AF 30Bs) makes Gilbert air chime "whistles" and diesel horns buzz, so I disconnect most of them. Diesel roar's OK. Conventional engines start up and slow down very smoothly with Legacy/TMCC conventional control. On one loop I have a toggle so I can run Legacy/TMMC/ Conventional engines or switch to DCC. A DCC SHS 2-8-0, for example, is great fun to run now and then. I also run 2 SC2s to operate turnouts, some uncoupler tracks, and accessories from the remote. Handy walk-around operation that way. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57222	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Latest Layout Pictures 3

Re: Latest Layout Pictures 3I sent out a massive of photos to some friends, train and non train friends and this is from Roger Carp of CTT, as I knew he was interested in the layout. Looks a real good. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Carp To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Latest Layout Pictures 3 Good morning Mike, Nice to see the photos-yes, your layout is one we will want to feature in Classic Toy Trains. Let's plan on a photo shoot sometime in the second half of 2010, okay? Have a great Thanksgiving and enjoy your trains and bicycles, Roger Carp Senior Editor Classic Toy Trains 262-796-8776 ext. 253 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:25:57 -0600 To: Bruce <goatfarm@...>, Evergreen Scale Models <info@...>, barb <rcespeak@...>, BCC Bill <Bill9678@...>, Roger Carp <rcarp@...>, BCC Stumpy <mrstumpy@...>, BCC Tom <ContraBassTrombone@...>, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...>, Thomas Bianculli <tjbian@...>, "Bill & Diane, B.T.S." <bill@...>, Grant Bishop <gwbishop@...>, Boss <Boss31@...>, Don Brimmer <mainelydon@...>, G C <ecphora123@...>, John Cangemi <godfather55@...>, <Christie1wilson@...>, steve Conard <steve.conard@...>, Larry & Tena Dilello <tldilelo@...>, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>, STEPHEN EASTMAN <gigeastman@...>, Art Fahie <barmillsmodels@...>, Cookie Flannery <cookster1030@...>, Larry and Vanessa Franklin <yaheynow@...>, Bull Gator <bull_gator_1@...>, george <info@...>, <gftolhurst@...>, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...>, Steve Hoschler <steve@...>, "NJ International.com" <signals@...>, Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...>, <jsnell5990@...>, Ken Keki <kenstoys@...>, Roger Knight <roger.knight@...>, <KTTrains@...>, Joseph Lechner <Joseph.Lechner@...>, Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>, <m6sful@...>, Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...>, "Jerry \"Matt\" Matsick" <jerry.matsick@...>, Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...>, Paul Olekson <bigo456@...>, Chuck-Marilyn Neal - York Township Pa <railfanPMHS@...>, Doug Peck <doug@...>, Michael Prell <Bull124dog4@...>, Pinhead Productions <griffy@...>, Jeanette Ryba <jcryba@...>, CHARLOTTE SHREWSBURY <pashrews255@...>, Mike Strickland <Anormal1@...>, Don Thompson <don@...>, Robin Thompson <robint@...>, Bill and Sandie Winans <thewinans@...>, <WJJIM@...>, Bill Zide <Wjzwjz@...>, "Ziembicki, Paul" <PZiembicki@...>, Clem Clement <clem.clement@...>, <nmescher@...> Subject: Re: Latest Layout Pictures 3 Bruce, Thank you as seeing the lights out in person is really something. Looking at the ballpark from a distance or above really reminds me of the movie Field of Dreams. I am glad I brought back those memories to you. Yes, collecting AF in the 90's is one reason why the layout got a bit delay. Both tank cars you mention are brand new, never run. Should we let the O gaugers know that the Penn Salt tanker, one year only was a 1,000. LOL Hey, it is only money. The Gilbert, meant to be the other name was only 500. The joys in collecting pieces of plastic. O:)! Have a great Thanksgiving all, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce <mailto:goatfarm@...> To: Michael and Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer@...> ; Evergreen Scale Models <mailto:info@...> ; barb <mailto:rcespeak@...> ; BCC Bill <mailto:Bill9678@...> ; BCC Roger Carp <mailto:rcarp@...> ; BCC Stumpy <mailto:mrstumpy@...> ; BCC Tom <mailto:ContraBassTrombone@...> ; Rance and Bente <mailto:velapoldi@...> ; Thomas Bianculli <mailto:tjbian@...> ; Bill & Diane, B.T.S. <mailto:bill@...> ; Grant Bishop <mailto:gwbishop@...> ; Boss <mailto:Boss31@...> ; Don Brimmer <mailto:mainelydon@...> ; G C <mailto:ecphora123@...> ; John Cangemi <mailto:godfather55@...> ; Christie1wilson@... ; steve Conard <mailto:steve.conard@...> ; Larry & Tena Dilello <mailto:tldilelo@...> ; Gerald Dobbs <mailto:grdobbs@...> ; STEPHEN EASTMAN <mailto:gigeastman@...> ; Art Fahie <mailto:barmillsmodels@...> ; Cookie Flannery <mailto:cookster1030@...> ; Larry and Vanessa Franklin <mailto:yaheynow@...> ; Bull Gator <mailto:bull_gator_1@...> ; george <mailto:info@...> ; gftolhurst@... ; Joseph Haenn <mailto:joestrainrepair@...> ; Jim Hannawald <mailto:jhannawald@...> ; Don Heimburger <mailto:don@...> ; Steve Hoschler <mailto:steve@...> ; NJ International.com <mailto:signals@...> ; Barry Jamison <mailto:bjamison330@...> ; jsnell5990@... ; Ken Keki <mailto:kenstoys@...> ; Roger Knight <mailto:roger.knight@...> ; KTTrains@... ; Joseph Lechner <mailto:Joseph.Lechner@...> ; Ralph Loveless <mailto:ralcor888@...> ; m6sful@... ; Jeffrey Madden <mailto:nasgdispatch@...> ; Jerry "Matt" Matsick <mailto:jerry.matsick@...> ; Bob McCarthy <mailto:thesupplycar@...> ; Paul Olekson <mailto:bigo456@...> ; Chuck-Marilyn Neal - York Township Pa <mailto:railfanPMHS@...> ; Doug Peck <mailto:doug@...> ; Michael Prell <mailto:Bull124dog4@...> ; Pinhead Productions <mailto:griffy@...> ; Jeanette Ryba <mailto:jcryba@...> ; CHARLOTTE SHREWSBURY <mailto:pashrews255@...> ; Mike Strickland <mailto:Anormal1@...> ; Don Thompson <mailto:don@...> ; Robin Thompson <mailto:robint@...> ; Bill and Sandie Winans <mailto:thewinans@...> ; WJJIM@... ; Bill Zide <mailto:Wjzwjz@...> ; Ziembicki, Paul <mailto:PZiembicki@...> ; Info@... ; Clem Clement <mailto:clem.clement@...> ; nmescher@... Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Latest Layout Pictures 3 Mike, Absolutely beautiful layout! I really enjoy turning the lights out and enjoying the layout at night. This brings back many memories of my childhood, playing with the AF layout my Dad set up in the basement during the Christmas holidays (it was covered the rest of the year). His layout wasn't very "scenery intensive", but the 8 by 20 foot, 2 level layout was full of play value--very important to kids. My brother had a 326 freight set and I had the Chrome Rocket Alco Set, both bought in '53. Thanks for sharing all of the pictures. Also, I'd like to thank you for including the pictures of your rarer items. It was a kick to see the Penn Salt and Gilbert (Celanese) tankers and the other rare five digit cars. You've got a beautiful collection, Mike. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer@...> To: Michael and Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer@...> ; Evergreen Scale Models <mailto:info@...> ; barb <mailto:rcespeak@...> ; BCC Bill <mailto:Bill9678@...> ; BCC Roger Carp <mailto:rcarp@...> ; BCC Stumpy <mailto:mrstumpy@...> ; BCC Tom <mailto:ContraBassTrombone@...> ; Rance and Bente <mailto:velapoldi@...> ; Thomas Bianculli <mailto:tjbian@...> ; Bill & Diane, B.T.S. <mailto:bill@...> ; Grant Bishop <mailto:gwbishop@...> ; Boss <mailto:Boss31@...> ; Don Brimmer <mailto:mainelydon@...> ; Bruce R. 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Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Latest Layout Pictures 3 Lights On! Pinheads still stuck in time. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57223	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Follow-up Re: Happy with TMCC PowerMaster ... for conventional AF lo

I have the blocks of my layout on toggle switches that have 3 positions - ON, OFF, and Pause. Pause sends power to that block through an AF 709 AF Lock-out Eliminator (a ceramic 10 ohm resistor like the ones you can buy at R-Shack put inside a Bakelite box - - helps protect things around them because the resistor can get hot). That provides enough current to stop an ACG engine, but not allow the reverse unit to trip. Flip the toggle to ON and off she goes in the direction it stopped. OFF is handy to isolate a section. ON is the position most often used. TMCC and Legacy also have stall thresholds and a reverse button on the Cab. I use the reverse button to change directions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57224	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: More on CTT

Roger, I am glad you like although it is not your typical layout with mountains, tunnels, landscaping, but it does all blend in nicely, if I can say that. Again, I have no idea on what I was doing in, as I had the basically track plan, and thoughts on using some accessories, but the ideas started coming in not just from me, but others, in the train world including Linda. Allot of people contributed not only ideas, but items for it. That makes it even better. Mike I agree with your assessment, Mike, and that is why your layout is so much fun to see and why it will inspire and entertain our readers, especially with Linda involved. Thanks, Roger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57225	From: race944t	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: Can anyone send me pictures of these?

I have several of these I can take pics of, but they are still in the box and I don't want to take them out since they are for sale as unopened. If you are interested in pics of the cars in the box let me know offline. "Banker" Bill Clark Can anyone send me pictures of these? I need them for my website, TheGilbertGallery.org. 48719 Conrail Bay Window Caboose 48731 Southern Pacific Bay Window caboose 48733 Erie Reading style caboose 48741 CNW Extended Vision Caboose 48743 Chesapeake & Ohio Caboose 49029 Santa Fe Animated Caboose 49816 Operating Stockyard 49817 Coal Loader [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57226	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: weird ebay situation

here is a weird ebay situation that is fine, as someone had two AF cars for sale as he is not a train seller, just a general seller of things on Ebay. he had a boxed 929 MP Stock car and a 922 GAEX Box car. both had the boxes and where stored in the boxes as they both looked to be in E+ or better. They had no nicks, marks, broken parts, rust, etc., that I could see. The 922 had a buy it now on it for 22 and the 929 was with a normal type bid, starting at 10 dollars. Both are worth about the same. I got the 922 car for 22 as that list for 37 or 42 depending if it is decaled or not. I am not sure what this one is. The MP list for 35. Prices are in E. I bided on the MP, but I lost, as I thought the bid was till Saturday, as I was going to up it. It went for 41, a great price. I am happy with what I got as there will be more 929's to see later. What I do not understand is why the seller would have one car under normal bid and one with a buy it now. You would think he would do it the same for all. Actually I think he undercut himself on the 922. Anyway, I just wanted to comment on how some people do things. But hey, I think he is happy and both buyers are happy. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57227	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: weird ebay situation

I see the same car one starts bidding at $4.99 and another seller at $9.99.  and one has shipping a$10.50  and the other at $4.75. does not make sense to me either. ________________________________ From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...> Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:33:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] weird ebay situation   here is a weird ebay situation that is fine, as someone had two AF cars for sale as he is not a train seller, just a general seller of things on Ebay. he had a boxed 929 MP Stock car and a 922 GAEX Box car. both had the boxes and where stored in the boxes as they both looked to be in E+ or better. They had no nicks, marks, broken parts, rust, etc., that I could see. The 922 had a buy it now on it for 22 and the 929 was with a normal type bid, starting at 10 dollars. Both are worth about the same. I got the 922 car for 22 as that list for 37 or 42 depending if it is decaled or not. I am not sure what this one is. The MP list for 35. Prices are in E. I bided on the MP, but I lost, as I thought the bid was till Saturday, as I was going to up it. It went for 41, a great price. I am happy with what I got as there will be more 929's to see later. What I do not understand is why the seller would have one car under normal bid and one with a buy it now. You would think he would do it the same for all. Actually I think he undercut himself on the 922. Anyway, I just wanted to comment on how some people do things. But hey, I think he is happy and both buyers are happy. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57228	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

I was sitting with nothing to do but contemplating about the S came about Was there S before Flyer or was A.C.Gilbert the founder of S when he went to the 3/16 S scale I know there was a 3/16 0 in late 30's that Flyer had using link couplers. BUT who had S in the 40's (or earlier) beside American Flyer?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57229	From: race944t	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: Can anyone send me pictures of these?

OK, I'm sufficiently embarrassed. I should have looked at the road name AND the number. I knew I had some of the roadname cabooses listed, the problem is I don't have the numbers listed. For instance I have the 48700 SP Bay Window caboose not the 48731 and the 49405 Santa Fe bay window caboose not the 49029 and the 49400 C&O Bay Window Caboose not the 48743. Yes, it is near Thanksgiving, but no, I'm not into the egg nog (yet). OK, now back to packing trains for the Raleigh TCA meet on Saturday. Happy Thanksgiving to all! "Banker" Bill Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Can anyone send me pictures of these? I have several of these I can take pics of, but they are still in the box and I don't want to take them out since they are for sale as unopened. If you are interested in pics of the cars in the box let me know offline. "Banker" Bill Clark Can anyone send me pictures of these? I need them for my website, TheGilbertGallery.org. 48719 Conrail Bay Window Caboose 48731 Southern Pacific Bay Window caboose 48733 Erie Reading style caboose 48741 CNW Extended Vision Caboose 48743 Chesapeake & Ohio Caboose 49029 Santa Fe Animated Caboose 49816 Operating Stockyard 49817 Coal Loader [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57230	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

Cleveland models marketed kits in 1937, prior to that the history of S gauge serious modelling goes back to 1919 in Britain. Of course Flyer was not alone in the toy market postwar. JEP in France, Karl Bub in West Germany and Stadtilm and a group of others in East Germany all made S gauge toy trains from the mid 1950's through to the 1970's. Scale for these varied. In addition Sakai and others in Japan made toys in S gauge. Track width was a small fraction wider on the European toys and models but Flyer will run on the track with no problems. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mikenguy9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale. I was sitting with nothing to do but contemplating about the S came about Was there S before Flyer or was A.C.Gilbert the founder of S when he went to the 3/16 S scale I know there was a 3/16 0 in late 30's that Flyer had using link couplers. BUT who had S in the 40's (or earlier) beside American Flyer? E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13780 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13780 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57231	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

I believe this would have been Cleveland S Models I think I read this some where possibly some years back? Try to google Cleveland S Models and see what you find, and good luck! Rich ________________________________ From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 1:31:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale. I was sitting with nothing to do but contemplating about the S came about Was there S before Flyer or was A.C.Gilbert the founder of S when he went to the 3/16 S scale I know there was a 3/16 0 in late 30's that Flyer had using link couplers. BUT who had S in the 40's (or earlier) beside American Flyer? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57232	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

and he notes - Cleveland Models (as CD Gauge) had S gauge models in the 30s. Raleigh in Miserable Maine... At 01:31 PM 11/25/2009, mikenguy9 wrote: > > >I was sitting with nothing to do but >contemplating about the S came about Was there S >before Flyer or was A.C.Gilbert the founder of S >when he went to the 3/16 S scale I know there >was a 3/16 0 in late 30's that Flyer had using link couplers. > >BUT who had S in the 40's (or earlier) beside American Flyer? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57233	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

Dear Mike, I read somewhere that AC Gilbert first saw 1/64" scale trains at the CD display at the Chicago World's Fair in the 30's. Don On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:31 PM, mikenguy9 wrote: > I was sitting with nothing to do but contemplating about the S came > about Was there S before Flyer or was A.C.Gilbert the founder of S > when he went to the 3/16 S scale I know there was a 3/16 0 in late > 30's that Flyer had using link couplers. > > BUT who had S in the 40's (or earlier) beside American Flyer? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57234	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: weird ebay situation

Yes, that is weird, as I thought the USPS had flat rate shipping. Shipping is really never a issue for me, as this was the same seller using two different sales philosophies in selling a similar product. Not like it was golf balls and a box car. But hey, he is the seller. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] weird ebay situation I see the same car one starts bidding at $4.99 and another seller at $9.99. and one has shipping a$10.50 and the other at $4.75. does not make sense to me either. ________________________________ From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...> Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:33:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] weird ebay situation here is a weird ebay situation that is fine, as someone had two AF cars for sale as he is not a train seller, just a general seller of things on Ebay. he had a boxed 929 MP Stock car and a 922 GAEX Box car. both had the boxes and where stored in the boxes as they both looked to be in E+ or better. They had no nicks, marks, broken parts, rust, etc., that I could see. The 922 had a buy it now on it for 22 and the 929 was with a normal type bid, starting at 10 dollars. Both are worth about the same. I got the 922 car for 22 as that list for 37 or 42 depending if it is decaled or not. I am not sure what this one is. The MP list for 35. Prices are in E. I bided on the MP, but I lost, as I thought the bid was till Saturday, as I was going to up it. It went for 41, a great price. I am happy with what I got as there will be more 929's to see later. What I do not understand is why the seller would have one car under normal bid and one with a buy it now. You would think he would do it the same for all. Actually I think he undercut himself on the 922. Anyway, I just wanted to comment on how some people do things. But hey, I think he is happy and both buyers are happy. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57235	From: David Engle	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

IIRC, Mr. Packard who started Cleveland Models was working with it in 1937. One of his two loco offerings was a CGW 4-6-0; both had wood boilers, The term Wood-butchers" gauge was bandied about back then, but the term understated their quality for the time. C-D gauge became S gauge when he wrote out the words the description of the scale, and the letter S occurred more than any others. He did attend one or more NASG conventions in later years. DJE-KCMO ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale. Dear Mike, I read somewhere that AC Gilbert first saw 1/64" scale trains at the CD display at the Chicago World's Fair in the 30's. Don On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:31 PM, mikenguy9 wrote: > I was sitting with nothing to do but contemplating about the S came > about Was there S before Flyer or was A.C.Gilbert the founder of S > when he went to the 3/16 S scale I know there was a 3/16 0 in late > 30's that Flyer had using link couplers. > > BUT who had S in the 40's (or earlier) beside American Flyer? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57236	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

and he notes - The Chicago World's Fair ran two years; 1933 & 34 a year or two before A. C. acquired AF and 3 years before CD had S Gauge models. He may have seen them at a hobby trade show. Raleigh in drizzly Maine. At 03:59 PM 11/25/2009, Don Thompson wrote: > > >Dear Mike, >I read somewhere that AC Gilbert first saw 1/64" scale trains at >the CD display at the Chicago World's Fair in the 30's. >Don > >On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:31 PM, mikenguy9 wrote: > > > I was sitting with nothing to do but contemplating about the S came > > about Was there S before Flyer or was A.C.Gilbert the founder of S > > when he went to the 3/16 S scale I know there was a 3/16 0 in late > > 30's that Flyer had using link couplers. > > > > BUT who had S in the 40's (or earlier) beside American Flyer? > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57237	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Fw: Neil

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1078234316/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=401&count=20&dir=asc Yesterday, Neil was freed from 74 years of being a underpaid Gateperson for the Lionel Corporation. He knew Josh, as they where on first name basis, when the company was very small, before the boom years after the war (WW2). But Josh forgot his little friends did him well and Neil did not move up the corporate ladder. And there he stayed in his little house on the RR with Chimney, in a box, somewhere. Neil is probably in his mid 90's and does not look a day over 35. He was freed at last by the big screwdriver and pliers. There was stuff in the base of the Gatehouse that looked allot like the crumbs you see in your toaster that cleaned out every five years or so. Neil must of ate well then. Anyway, he was welcome to the D&K RR by Hugo, Che, Cesar, Cow, Cat, and others. He now has taken his rightful place by the D&K Company RR Produce market where he is now hawking fresh produce. They handed him a big crate of fresh apples from the apple orchard next door, but it sort of covers his face up a bit. And why is his lips so red? Hmm? Plans are for him to hold a basket full of colorful produce, as the visual effect is important in getting people to buy produce from this market. His base will be painted concrete soon. Neil is the righth height since Mosquito Rodriquez comes up to his knees, as next to Mosquito is a S scale cat. Neil says hello to all his O gauge friends as finally he is in the right place, with the right size trains and the right track, that is two rail, not third. He was so confused when we let him out, we had to de-program him from this track cult. But you say, doesn't Neil have any farm clothes, as he is still holding his lantern and wearing his gateperson outfit. Well, he does, but since this is a RR Company Town, and he worked so long for the Lionel Corporation, he wants to be remember as the Lionel Gateman from 1935. The lantern somehow is fused permanently to his hand. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57238	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

and he notes - Ed Pascha (aka "Packard") did not name the gauge. The story told to me by Bill Stewart (and repeated by Louis Hertz) was that "S" was adopted for 3/16ths scale at the 1943 NMRA convention where the names of gauges were officially adopted. The committee included (among others) Bill Stewart, Louis Hertz and NMRA President 'Tex' Guess. Hertz pushed the idea of "Half-1" Gauge since No. 1 Gauge is 3/8" scale arguing the logic of H0 being half 0 (1/4" scale). After a long discussion, the committee came up with "S" since the letter appeared in the dimensions i. e. seven eighths, three sixteenths, etc. It was a hot day and the argument was getting nowhere until Guess suggested a vote and adjournment to the tavern for a cold one. As Bill put it "the vote carried quickly and the first beer being Schlitz made it official!" I saw Ed Packard at a Cleveland Convention back in the 70s and he still had a ton of stuff stored in a warehouse. I wonder what ever happened to it. Raleigh in Rainey Mainey... At 04:38 PM 11/25/2009, David Engle wrote: > > >IIRC, Mr. Packard who started Cleveland Models was working with it >in 1937. One of his two loco offerings was a CGW 4-6-0; both had >wood boilers, The term Wood-butchers" gauge was bandied about back >then, but the term understated their quality for the time. C-D gauge >became S gauge when he wrote out the words the description of the >scale, and the letter S occurred more than any others. He did attend >one or more NASG conventions in later years. > >DJE-KCMO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57239	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2009
Subject: Si

I have to add some graffiti to my layout, like maybe on the back of the baseball wall with the word, Si. And that is not for Sport's Illustrated. I am reading a article about Greivis Vasquez who plays basketball at U of MD and he is from Venezuela. Hugo, who is now the leader of the D&K Company RR town, used Si as a ad campaign towards young people, in Venezuela as they built allot of nice basketball courts for kids to use. The courts now have taken their toll on wear and tear and have not been maintained. Basketball is very big in that country. So, since Hugo built a baseball park, S Helper Field, Si is the new slogan here, as of course it means "Yes". There is now Si graffiti all over that country, so I will be added it to the back side of a wall. Maybe Neil knows Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" except there is no brick in those walls. So, if any of you ever come over and see Si that is the meaning of it. The above was not meant to be anything political, just in fun of something new for my layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57240	From: Bob	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update

Good day to all. Just a quick note to let you know that the Fall issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is finally at the printer. It won't be too much longer. Ten new subscribers have signed up within the past week! I will be sending out individual "thank you" confirmation e-mails in the next day or two, but for now I will express my thanks globally. What about those of you who let your subscription expire? C'mon, climb back on board. Happy Thanksgiving! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57241	From: Gary	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

Will using AUX-1/set work on conventional also? I tried this but once I push the AUX-1/set buttons, I can't seem to get enough voltage to start the engine. Before I push the AUX button I can get the engine going, but I have to turn the throttle about 20 rounds. Any thoughts? I am using a powermaster. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> wrote: > > > There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the > powermaster and the command base. > > I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the > powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. > > > You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do > for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you > turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and > operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular > flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the > powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) > > A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow > conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to > place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can > control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. > This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the > speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit > has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a > give track voltage). > > If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the > cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. > > One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the > Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you > would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. > > Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If > you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight > will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press > boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point > no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. > > Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you > have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is > setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it > can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on > the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you > will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and > nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster > than you wanted for your nice scale like start. > > What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we > set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the > loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) > Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set > the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start > you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if > impending movement of the loco. > > If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle > blows it will have reset itself back to normal. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control > > > > I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very > > pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, > > as the engine can really get rolling. > > A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a > remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer > engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well > does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57242	From: Herbert	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer ans S gauge or S scale.

A C Gilbert, after the acquisition of American Flyer was looking for a way to be different from Lionel. The CD gauge trains gave them an answer. The move to 3/16 scale was particularly pushed by Phil Connell, opf Chicago Flyer who joined Gilbert's sales department after the meger. Herb W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57243	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

Are you using a powermaster or a TPC300/400? The commands mentioned in the text below were for setting max speed on a TMCC Loco. This is a setting for the Loco and not the track. The Powermaster does not have a max track voltage limit, at least that I have found in the manual, or a stall voltage. (other than the throttle knob itself) Of course you could set the maximum voltage available to the powermaster with your throttle on your transformer. The Aux1 - 0 command tuns off power to the selected track and either boost or the throttle turns it back on. On the TPC 400 the "H" button sets the high limit in conventional mode, and set stores it. (if in run mode on pgm switch) Aux-1 on the Cab-1 activates the numeric pad. Whatever number you press next does different things... 0 turns power off, like the powermaster 1 sets the stall voltage (not available on powermaster to my knowledge, but heck try it, as I don't have a powermaster) 4 sets to current stall voltage 8 sets to half voltage 9 sets to full voltage MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@...> wrote: > > Will using AUX-1/set work on conventional also? I tried this but once I push the AUX-1/set buttons, I can't seem to get enough voltage to start the engine. Before I push the AUX button I can get the engine going, but I have to turn the throttle about 20 rounds. Any thoughts? I am using a powermaster. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@> wrote: > > > > > > There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the > > powermaster and the command base. > > > > I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the > > powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. > > > > > > You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do > > for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you > > turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and > > operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular > > flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the > > powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) > > > > A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow > > conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to > > place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can > > control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. > > This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the > > speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit > > has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a > > give track voltage). > > > > If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the > > cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. > > > > One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the > > Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you > > would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. > > > > Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If > > you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight > > will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press > > boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point > > no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. > > > > Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you > > have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is > > setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it > > can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on > > the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you > > will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and > > nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster > > than you wanted for your nice scale like start. > > > > What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we > > set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the > > loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) > > Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set > > the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start > > you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if > > impending movement of the loco. > > > > If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle > > blows it will have reset itself back to normal. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@] > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM > > To: S-Trains > > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control > > > > > > > > I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very > > > > pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, > > > > as the engine can really get rolling. > > > > A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a > > remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer > > engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well > > does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57244	From: Dave	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: AF - #24077 & #994 Stock Cars

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57245	From: Pat Turner	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Turner Model Works Black Friday Sale!

Turner Model Works Black Friday Sale! From 00:01 Friday to 23:59! 15% Off All Regular Items and Free Shipping on Any Size Order! (International Orders at reduced shipping costs). We are still in the process of updating the web site, but it is getting close! The Free Shipping should work fine for US customers just fine. I may have to bill the International Customers for the difference. The 15% Off should also be active and work fine. If Any Part of it does not work correctly for you Do Not worry about it. Send your order and all and any overages will be corrected promptly on Monday! You can order off the web site: http://www.turnermodelworks.com by phone (423) 462-2228 Leave your name, address, phone #, CC info and Item #'s and it will be processed on Monday. I may be available by at (404) 368-9964 to take orders in person also, but this will be limited. Lastly you can mail in your orders again will all the info listed above to: Turner Model Works Black Friday Sale P.O. Box 923 Athens, TN 37371-0923 Be sure to mark your mail in orders "Black Friday Sale" Pat Turner O Scale - Mile Post Model Works S Scale - FinestKind Models HO Scale - Sequoia Scale Models N Scale - Muir Models Z Scale - Mini-Structures Blackstone Models http://www.TurnerModelWorks.co

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57246	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: A Thanksgiving Wish

Thank you! and very nicely put too...  Clayton  Milwaukie Oregon --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: From: Rhett George <rtg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A Thanksgiving Wish To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 11:08 AM   - GreetingS - We wish for each and everyone of you a fabulous Thanksgiving with good food, a fifth of corn-utopia (cornucopia) , memoirs and memories (bold and sentimental) of how we have arrived here, and dreams and visions of where we wish to go. And above all, thanks to those who have led the way and the Almighty who led them. Joanna and Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57247	From: barb	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: WIshes

Happy Thanksgiving to y'all. We have lots to be thankful for including our trains. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57248	From: Gary	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

I think I may have solved the problem with pushing the "L" button 2 times. The throttle is a lot mor responsive now and O only have to give it 1 or 2 rotations to get the engine rolling. I just started using this TMCC this week and just have conventioal engines right now. I still have a lot to learn. From what I understand, I can sontrol my switches by adding a track controller to the system. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Are you using a powermaster or a TPC300/400? > > The commands mentioned in the text below were for setting max speed on a TMCC Loco. This is a setting for the Loco and not the track. > > The Powermaster does not have a max track voltage limit, at least that I have found in the manual, or a stall voltage. (other than the throttle knob itself) Of course you could set the maximum voltage available to the powermaster with your throttle on your transformer. > > > > The Aux1 - 0 command tuns off power to the selected track and either boost or the throttle turns it back on. > > > On the TPC 400 the "H" button sets the high limit in conventional mode, and set stores it. (if in run mode on pgm switch) > > > Aux-1 on the Cab-1 activates the numeric pad. > > Whatever number you press next does different things... > > 0 turns power off, like the powermaster > 1 sets the stall voltage (not available on powermaster to my knowledge, but heck try it, as I don't have a powermaster) > 4 sets to current stall voltage > 8 sets to half voltage > 9 sets to full voltage > > MK > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@> wrote: > > > > Will using AUX-1/set work on conventional also? I tried this but once I push the AUX-1/set buttons, I can't seem to get enough voltage to start the engine. Before I push the AUX button I can get the engine going, but I have to turn the throttle about 20 rounds. Any thoughts? I am using a powermaster. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the > > > powermaster and the command base. > > > > > > I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the > > > powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. > > > > > > > > > You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do > > > for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you > > > turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and > > > operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular > > > flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the > > > powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) > > > > > > A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow > > > conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to > > > place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can > > > control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. > > > This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the > > > speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit > > > has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a > > > give track voltage). > > > > > > If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the > > > cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. > > > > > > One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the > > > Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you > > > would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. > > > > > > Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If > > > you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight > > > will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press > > > boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point > > > no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. > > > > > > Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you > > > have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is > > > setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it > > > can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on > > > the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you > > > will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and > > > nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster > > > than you wanted for your nice scale like start. > > > > > > What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we > > > set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the > > > loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) > > > Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set > > > the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start > > > you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if > > > impending movement of the loco. > > > > > > If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle > > > blows it will have reset itself back to normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@] > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM > > > To: S-Trains > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control > > > > > > > > > > > > I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very > > > > > > pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, > > > > > > as the engine can really get rolling. > > > > > > A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a > > > remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer > > > engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well > > > does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57249	From: wisner_mark	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

Just wishing every one the very best and thanks for all the help and advise. Special thanks to Don and Robin S- Helper Rick- DCC Sales and Service Steve - SnS Trains Tom -Tripple S Supply Doug - Port Line Hobby With all of your support I am enjoying a renewed hobby after many years

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57250	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

On the Powermaster in conventional mode the H, M, and L set the momentum or time delay on track voltage change. There is with most locomotives a significant delay using H. With the TPC these along with a preceding Aux 2 allow adjusting the step rate on the throttle. The TPC manuals are available for download on the Lionel web site. MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@...> wrote: > > I think I may have solved the problem with pushing the "L" button 2 times. The throttle is a lot mor responsive now and O only have to give it 1 or 2 rotations to get the engine rolling. I just started using this TMCC this week and just have conventioal engines right now. I still have a lot to learn. From what I understand, I can sontrol my switches by adding a track controller to the system. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@> wrote: > > > > Are you using a powermaster or a TPC300/400? > > > > The commands mentioned in the text below were for setting max speed on a TMCC Loco. This is a setting for the Loco and not the track. > > > > The Powermaster does not have a max track voltage limit, at least that I have found in the manual, or a stall voltage. (other than the throttle knob itself) Of course you could set the maximum voltage available to the powermaster with your throttle on your transformer. > > > > > > > > The Aux1 - 0 command tuns off power to the selected track and either boost or the throttle turns it back on. > > > > > > On the TPC 400 the "H" button sets the high limit in conventional mode, and set stores it. (if in run mode on pgm switch) > > > > > > Aux-1 on the Cab-1 activates the numeric pad. > > > > Whatever number you press next does different things... > > > > 0 turns power off, like the powermaster > > 1 sets the stall voltage (not available on powermaster to my knowledge, but heck try it, as I don't have a powermaster) > > 4 sets to current stall voltage > > 8 sets to half voltage > > 9 sets to full voltage > > > > MK > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Will using AUX-1/set work on conventional also? I tried this but once I push the AUX-1/set buttons, I can't seem to get enough voltage to start the engine. Before I push the AUX button I can get the engine going, but I have to turn the throttle about 20 rounds. Any thoughts? I am using a powermaster. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the > > > > powermaster and the command base. > > > > > > > > I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the > > > > powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do > > > > for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you > > > > turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and > > > > operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular > > > > flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the > > > > powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) > > > > > > > > A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow > > > > conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to > > > > place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can > > > > control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. > > > > This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the > > > > speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit > > > > has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a > > > > give track voltage). > > > > > > > > If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the > > > > cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. > > > > > > > > One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the > > > > Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you > > > > would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. > > > > > > > > Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If > > > > you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight > > > > will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press > > > > boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point > > > > no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. > > > > > > > > Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you > > > > have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is > > > > setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it > > > > can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on > > > > the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you > > > > will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and > > > > nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster > > > > than you wanted for your nice scale like start. > > > > > > > > What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we > > > > set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the > > > > loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) > > > > Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set > > > > the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start > > > > you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if > > > > impending movement of the loco. > > > > > > > > If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle > > > > blows it will have reset itself back to normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@] > > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM > > > > To: S-Trains > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very > > > > > > > > pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, > > > > > > > > as the engine can really get rolling. > > > > > > > > A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a > > > > remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer > > > > engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well > > > > does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57251	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

I just noticed in the powermaster manual there is a stall voltage adjustment. Sorry, I only read to the point where the TMCC mode instructions started, and the stall adjustment is after that on page 7. Again I have never owned or used a powermaster, only TPC 300/400. MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Are you using a powermaster or a TPC300/400? > > The commands mentioned in the text below were for setting max speed on a TMCC Loco. This is a setting for the Loco and not the track. > > The Powermaster does not have a max track voltage limit, at least that I have found in the manual, or a stall voltage. (other than the throttle knob itself) Of course you could set the maximum voltage available to the powermaster with your throttle on your transformer. > > > > The Aux1 - 0 command tuns off power to the selected track and either boost or the throttle turns it back on. > > > On the TPC 400 the "H" button sets the high limit in conventional mode, and set stores it. (if in run mode on pgm switch) > > > Aux-1 on the Cab-1 activates the numeric pad. > > Whatever number you press next does different things... > > 0 turns power off, like the powermaster > 1 sets the stall voltage (not available on powermaster to my knowledge, but heck try it, as I don't have a powermaster) > 4 sets to current stall voltage > 8 sets to half voltage > 9 sets to full voltage > > MK > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@> wrote: > > > > Will using AUX-1/set work on conventional also? I tried this but once I push the AUX-1/set buttons, I can't seem to get enough voltage to start the engine. Before I push the AUX button I can get the engine going, but I have to turn the throttle about 20 rounds. Any thoughts? I am using a powermaster. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the > > > powermaster and the command base. > > > > > > I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the > > > powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. > > > > > > > > > You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do > > > for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you > > > turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and > > > operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular > > > flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the > > > powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) > > > > > > A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow > > > conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to > > > place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can > > > control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. > > > This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the > > > speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit > > > has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a > > > give track voltage). > > > > > > If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the > > > cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. > > > > > > One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the > > > Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you > > > would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. > > > > > > Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If > > > you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight > > > will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press > > > boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point > > > no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. > > > > > > Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you > > > have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is > > > setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it > > > can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on > > > the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you > > > will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and > > > nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster > > > than you wanted for your nice scale like start. > > > > > > What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we > > > set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the > > > loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) > > > Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set > > > the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start > > > you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if > > > impending movement of the loco. > > > > > > If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle > > > blows it will have reset itself back to normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@] > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM > > > To: S-Trains > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control > > > > > > > > > > > > I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very > > > > > > pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, > > > > > > as the engine can really get rolling. > > > > > > A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a > > > remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer > > > engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well > > > does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57252	From: John Sage	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update

Bob,   I would like more infomation about the 1:64 Modeling Guide.  I missed the earlier messages.   Thanks   John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57253	From: Gary	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

Can you use a SW=1 with conventional engines for throwing switches? I was reading where you had to put the powermaster in CMD mode, which would take the power away from the conv.mode. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > I just noticed in the powermaster manual there is a stall voltage adjustment. Sorry, I only read to the point where the TMCC mode instructions started, and the stall adjustment is after that on page 7. > > Again I have never owned or used a powermaster, only TPC 300/400. > > MK > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@> wrote: > > > > Are you using a powermaster or a TPC300/400? > > > > The commands mentioned in the text below were for setting max speed on a TMCC Loco. This is a setting for the Loco and not the track. > > > > The Powermaster does not have a max track voltage limit, at least that I have found in the manual, or a stall voltage. (other than the throttle knob itself) Of course you could set the maximum voltage available to the powermaster with your throttle on your transformer. > > > > > > > > The Aux1 - 0 command tuns off power to the selected track and either boost or the throttle turns it back on. > > > > > > On the TPC 400 the "H" button sets the high limit in conventional mode, and set stores it. (if in run mode on pgm switch) > > > > > > Aux-1 on the Cab-1 activates the numeric pad. > > > > Whatever number you press next does different things... > > > > 0 turns power off, like the powermaster > > 1 sets the stall voltage (not available on powermaster to my knowledge, but heck try it, as I don't have a powermaster) > > 4 sets to current stall voltage > > 8 sets to half voltage > > 9 sets to full voltage > > > > MK > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Will using AUX-1/set work on conventional also? I tried this but once I push the AUX-1/set buttons, I can't seem to get enough voltage to start the engine. Before I push the AUX button I can get the engine going, but I have to turn the throttle about 20 rounds. Any thoughts? I am using a powermaster. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the > > > > powermaster and the command base. > > > > > > > > I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the > > > > powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do > > > > for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you > > > > turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and > > > > operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular > > > > flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the > > > > powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) > > > > > > > > A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow > > > > conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to > > > > place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can > > > > control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. > > > > This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the > > > > speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit > > > > has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a > > > > give track voltage). > > > > > > > > If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the > > > > cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. > > > > > > > > One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the > > > > Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you > > > > would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. > > > > > > > > Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If > > > > you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight > > > > will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press > > > > boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point > > > > no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. > > > > > > > > Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you > > > > have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is > > > > setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it > > > > can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on > > > > the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you > > > > will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and > > > > nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster > > > > than you wanted for your nice scale like start. > > > > > > > > What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we > > > > set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the > > > > loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) > > > > Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set > > > > the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start > > > > you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if > > > > impending movement of the loco. > > > > > > > > If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle > > > > blows it will have reset itself back to normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@] > > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM > > > > To: S-Trains > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very > > > > > > > > pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, > > > > > > > > as the engine can really get rolling. > > > > > > > > A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a > > > > remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer > > > > engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well > > > > does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57254	From: michael prell	Date: 11/26/2009
Subject: Thankful For Many Things This Year

Besides much better health than I had last year at this time, I continue to be thankful for having been given a second chance at happiness with a truly remarkable woman who also loves trains. I continue to be overwhelmed and grateful to know suck giving and kind folks such as yourselves who share a passion for this great "hobby'. And last but not least, I'm grateful in knowing that the younger generation will have a chance to experience the adventure with us older folks! God Bless and keep the fireboxes hot! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57255	From: fahrwud	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Non-Flyer steam loco wheels

I realize this may have been addressed before, but curiosity is killing my cat. Are there any spoked S scale AF-compatible loco wheels that can be substituted for the standard AF pressed-steel look? Thanks for any info, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57256	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Non-Flyer steam loco wheels

At one time Don T at SHS indicated he might have some extras for his 2-8-0 available separately - might give him a try. Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, S-9, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast NOT sent from a Blackberry (or any other fruity device) - I can't afford one! From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fahrwud Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Non-Flyer steam loco wheels I realize this may have been addressed before, but curiosity is killing my cat. Are there any spoked S scale AF-compatible loco wheels that can be substituted for the standard AF pressed-steel look? Thanks for any info, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57257	From: michael prell	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Thankful For Many Things This Year

Umm, Sorry about the typo! Ouch!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 11/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Thankful For Many Things This Year To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 10:21 PM   Besides much better health than I had last year at this time, I continue to be thankful for having been given a second chance at happiness with a truly remarkable woman who also loves trains. I continue to be overwhelmed and grateful to know suck giving and kind folks such as yourselves who share a passion for this great "hobby'. And last but not least, I'm grateful in knowing that the younger generation will have a chance to experience the adventure with us older folks! God Bless and keep the fireboxes hot! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57258	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Thankful For Many Things This Year

I know what you were trying to say, and that it was a typo... :)  Clayton Milwaukie Oregon --- On Fri, 11/27/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thankful For Many Things This Year To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 7:34 AM   Umm, Sorry about the typo! Ouch!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 11/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Thankful For Many Things This Year To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 10:21 PM   Besides much better health than I had last year at this time, I continue to be thankful for having been given a second chance at happiness with a truly remarkable woman who also loves trains. I continue to be overwhelmed and grateful to know suck giving and kind folks such as yourselves who share a passion for this great "hobby'. And last but not least, I'm grateful in knowing that the younger generation will have a chance to experience the adventure with us older folks! God Bless and keep the fireboxes hot! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57259	From: bag5809	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: S Layout

Lookign for some ideas for an American Flyer layout. Plan on using original Flyer track and switches. The benchwork is completed ready for the layout. The dimensions are 6x12. Any ideas will greatly appreciated. Not looking for anything real complicated. Thanks. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57260	From: michael prell	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: Thankful For Many Things This Year

Thanks,   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thankful For Many Things This Year To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:44 PM   I know what you were trying to say, and that it was a typo... :)  Clayton Milwaukie Oregon --- On Fri, 11/27/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thankful For Many Things This Year To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 7:34 AM   Umm, Sorry about the typo! Ouch!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 11/26/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Thankful For Many Things This Year To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 10:21 PM   Besides much better health than I had last year at this time, I continue to be thankful for having been given a second chance at happiness with a truly remarkable woman who also loves trains. I continue to be overwhelmed and grateful to know suck giving and kind folks such as yourselves who share a passion for this great "hobby'. And last but not least, I'm grateful in knowing that the younger generation will have a chance to experience the adventure with us older folks! God Bless and keep the fireboxes hot! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57261	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout

Mine is 10X11 and probably a bit more complex than you want, but you might get some good ideas from it, especially from the Lessons Learned pages:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/index.html --- On Fri, 11/27/09, bag5809 <bag5809@...> wrote: From: bag5809 <bag5809@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 5:10 PM   Lookign for some ideas for an American Flyer layout. Plan on using original Flyer track and switches. The benchwork is completed ready for the layout. The dimensions are 6x12. Any ideas will greatly appreciated. Not looking for anything real complicated. Thanks. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57262	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/27/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout

Hi, If you can go to your local library and request this book --- Greenberg's American flyer track plans and operating instructions / by Jeff Faust ; illustrations by the author Faust, Jeff. If they do not have it ask them if they can order it on WORLD CAT There is a copy at the Parma - South branch library 7335 Ridge Road Cleveland, Ohio 440) 885-5362 I know as I frequent this library Hope this helps Rich ________________________________ From: bag5809 <bag5809@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 8:10:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Layout Lookign for some ideas for an American Flyer layout. Plan on using original Flyer track and switches. The benchwork is completed ready for the layout. The dimensions are 6x12. Any ideas will greatly appreciated. Not looking for anything real complicated. Thanks. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57263	From: MikeS	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout

Robert - I must say that I think your layout is very well done and certainly catches my attention. Also, very much enjoy your link. One of the aspects I always enjoyed was how well the switches work and zero problems with their performance or derailments. Very best, Mike Spanier --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Mine is 10X11 and probably a bit more complex than you want, but you might get some good ideas from it, especially from the Lessons Learned pages: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/index.html --- On Fri, 11/27/09, bag5809 <bag5809@...> wrote: > > From: bag5809 <bag5809@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] S Layout > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 5:10 PM Lookign for some ideas for an American Flyer layout. Plan on using original Flyer track and switches. The benchwork is completed ready for the layout. The dimensions are 6x12. Any ideas will greatly appreciated. Not looking for anything real complicated. Thanks. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57264	From: Dave	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: CRISCO Reefer Decal Set

For all of you refrigerator car collectors we have produced yet another full set for a #1911 CRISCO shortening refrigerator car. All that are interested should follow the link below to view the set here at this site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1996294584/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc Thank you for your continuing requests for NEW reefer sets. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com (502) 292-1872 (please leave message)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57265	From: majordad	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout

Here is a link for some plans http://www.thortrains.net/flyrlay1.htm --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bag5809" <bag5809@...> wrote: > > Lookign for some ideas for an American Flyer layout. Plan on using original Flyer track and switches. The benchwork is completed ready for the layout. The dimensions are 6x12. Any ideas will greatly appreciated. Not looking for anything real complicated. Thanks. > > Bruce >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57266	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: S Layout

I have bookmarked this page. He must love using track design software as he has tons of layout designs in all scales. I enjoy looking at his ideas even when I don't run that particular scale, or use the plan. I have used a couple of his Christmas tree layouts for my tin 027 Christmas layout. However, I used the same track planning software to create my own plan for my permanent S gauge layout using SHS track. Anyway, look at all his plans. They are fun. Here is his home page: http://www.thortrains.net/index.htm Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "majordad" <majordadsage@...> wrote: > > Here is a link for some plans > > http://www.thortrains.net/flyrlay1.htm > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bag5809" <bag5809@> wrote: > > > > Lookign for some ideas for an American Flyer layout. Plan on using original Flyer track and switches. The benchwork is completed ready for the layout. The dimensions are 6x12. Any ideas will greatly appreciated. Not looking for anything real complicated. Thanks. > > > > Bruce > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57267	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Non-Flyer steam loco wheels

You might want to look at Alan Gibson's site http://www.scalefour.org/ag/index.htm He makes many different sizes of steam driver wheels. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57269	From: Francois	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Steam train The Mastrou

hello, Discover the historical steam train the Mastrou. http://www.lamastre.net/2009/11/12/le-mastrou/ You're welcome Lalogne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57270	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery is moving some time soon

If you have bookmarked my website for future reference, change the URL to TheGilbertGallery.org.  I am in the process of moving everything to a new server.   TheGilbertGallery.org is a redirection URL that sends you to the current server, but will automatically send you to the new site after everything is moved.  If you use TheGilbertGallery.org, you won't even notice it when the move happens. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57271	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: Re: Steam train The Mastrou

----- Original Message ----- From: François To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Discover the historical steam train the Mastrou. http://www.lamastre.net/2009/11/12/le-mastrou/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Formidable ! Je vais le partager avec tous mes amis "vapouristes", francophone ou non. The video would be really interesting for anyone interested in old time steam railroading, narrow gauge, mountain railroading, and anyone who wants to test his high-school French. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57272	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/28/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/29/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 29, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 3 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57273	From: rep928	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: F-9 repairs revisited

After many years, I again took a stab at trying to get my F-9 diesel to run. This is a UP 21215-1, which is powered, although it is supposed to be a dummy unit. When I first got it, I discovered that the brass axle gear that articulated with the armature was stripped. I have since replaced it twice! Part of the problem seems to have been that the bushings for the drive axle were quite worn and not attached to the frame. In the most recent repair attempt I tried cementing then in place. I finally got the thing running, but poorly. Very slow in forward but faster in reverse. It would then jam. Back to the shop. I replaced both armature bushings, using parts from a junker Casey Jones. Reassembling, one of the axle bushings broke! I don't think there are replacement parts. So back to the display shelf it goes! I always heard this thing was a piece of crap, but until you try to get one to run you really don't appreciate how poorly designed and made these were. Makes the Casey Jones look like a masterpiece of engineering! - Roy Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57274	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Re: Website

Hi Bill, � I have a lot of new material for the website.  I just did a new catalog and I need to update the prices etc.  I am trying to find a webmaster to do this. I should have this done earl 2010. Thank You, � Tom --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Bill Clark <billclark42@...> wrote: From: Bill Clark <billclark42@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Website To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 10:45 AM   Hey Tom, How have you been?? Long time no see. Hey, there must be some updates ready for the website! What's new? regards, Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57275	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited

Hi Roy, Both armature XA30A083 and axle bushings PA30A039 originals parts are still available if you need these. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies --- On Sun, 11/29/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] F-9 repairs revisited To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 12:44 AM   After many years, I again took a stab at trying to get my F-9 diesel to run. This is a UP 21215-1, which is powered, although it is supposed to be a dummy unit. When I first got it, I discovered that the brass axle gear that articulated with the armature was stripped. I have since replaced it twice! Part of the problem seems to have been that the bushings for the drive axle were quite worn and not attached to the frame. In the most recent repair attempt I tried cementing then in place. I finally got the thing running, but poorly. Very slow in forward but faster in reverse. It would then jam. Back to the shop. I replaced both armature bushings, using parts from a junker Casey Jones. Reassembling, one of the axle bushings broke! I don't think there are replacement parts. So back to the display shelf it goes! I always heard this thing was a piece of crap, but until you try to get one to run you really don't appreciate how poorly designed and made these were. Makes the Casey Jones look like a masterpiece of engineering! - Roy Plotnick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57276	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Circus Modelers need HELP!

____________________________________ From: Circusvern To: PTGCP BCC: WJJIM Sent: 11/29/2009 1:12:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Fwd: Circus Modelers need HELP! HELP!!!!!! The New York Society Model RR Club in North Jersey USA has a problem that the Circus Modelers can solve. They have Circus Trains in both HO & O gauge. They no longer have a Circus Modeler in their club and the Circus Trains need maintenance. Is there a Circus Modeler who would like to take on the project? They want to run the Circus Trains at all their Shows. Contact Bob Judge, Sec, John Pugh Ring #96, CMB and he will put you in touch with the RR club. 732-801-8054 Forward by Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57277	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: FNF-- PVMR LAYOUT RUNNING FOR CHRISTMAS

The layout is loaded, ready to go on public display, dec 2thru 5 at DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET, Gap, PA. --THANKS to Glenn Ritter for the pics & NASG for the banner. Jim Lyle ____________________________________ From: gartrain404@... To: gartrain404@... Sent: 11/29/2009 4:46:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: PVMR LAYOUT RUNNING FOR CHRISTMAS The following link with take you to the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders layout for December, 2009. Thanks to all the hard workers that made this possible. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html) Previous years' displays. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRLAYOUT06-07-08.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRLAYOUT06-07-08.html) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57278	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/29/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 29, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57279	From: michael prell	Date: 11/29/2009
Subject: Question

Ladies and Gentlemen, Children of All Ages, I was just looking at my collection of Gilbert Amirican Flyer catalogs and in particular the cover of the 1950. This question has probably been asked and answered countless times before, so please excuse me for not keeping up. Anyway, is there a chance that the cover artwork for the 1950 was illustrated by Norman Rockwell? Although no signature that I can see, it certainly does look a lot like the man's style. Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57280	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/30/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

Hopefully I have understood you question correctly. The TMCC signal is received directly to the switch controller from the command base as the SC-2 has its own receiver/antenna. You do need a command base, it sounds like what you have now is the powermaster. The command base and SC-2 will not know where the switch on the powermaster is. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer Remote Control Can you use a SW=1 with conventional engines for throwing switches? I was reading where you had to put the powermaster in CMD mode, which would take the power away from the conv.mode. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > I just noticed in the powermaster manual there is a stall voltage adjustment. Sorry, I only read to the point where the TMCC mode instructions started, and the stall adjustment is after that on page 7. > > Again I have never owned or used a powermaster, only TPC 300/400. > > MK > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@> wrote: > > > > Are you using a powermaster or a TPC300/400? > > > > The commands mentioned in the text below were for setting max speed on a TMCC Loco. This is a setting for the Loco and not the track. > > > > The Powermaster does not have a max track voltage limit, at least that I have found in the manual, or a stall voltage. (other than the throttle knob itself) Of course you could set the maximum voltage available to the powermaster with your throttle on your transformer. > > > > > > > > The Aux1 - 0 command tuns off power to the selected track and either boost or the throttle turns it back on. > > > > > > On the TPC 400 the "H" button sets the high limit in conventional mode, and set stores it. (if in run mode on pgm switch) > > > > > > Aux-1 on the Cab-1 activates the numeric pad. > > > > Whatever number you press next does different things... > > > > 0 turns power off, like the powermaster > > 1 sets the stall voltage (not available on powermaster to my knowledge, but heck try it, as I don't have a powermaster) > > 4 sets to current stall voltage > > 8 sets to half voltage > > 9 sets to full voltage > > > > MK > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Gary" <headlap2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Will using AUX-1/set work on conventional also? I tried this but once I push the AUX-1/set buttons, I can't seem to get enough voltage to start the engine. Before I push the AUX button I can get the engine going, but I have to turn the throttle about 20 rounds. Any thoughts? I am using a powermaster. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the > > > > powermaster and the command base. > > > > > > > > I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the > > > > powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do > > > > for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you > > > > turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and > > > > operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular > > > > flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the > > > > powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) > > > > > > > > A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow > > > > conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to > > > > place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can > > > > control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. > > > > This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the > > > > speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit > > > > has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a > > > > give track voltage). > > > > > > > > If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the > > > > cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. > > > > > > > > One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the > > > > Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you > > > > would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. > > > > > > > > Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If > > > > you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight > > > > will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press > > > > boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point > > > > no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. > > > > > > > > Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you > > > > have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is > > > > setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it > > > > can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on > > > > the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you > > > > will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and > > > > nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster > > > > than you wanted for your nice scale like start. > > > > > > > > What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we > > > > set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the > > > > loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) > > > > Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set > > > > the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start > > > > you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if > > > > impending movement of the loco. > > > > > > > > If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle > > > > blows it will have reset itself back to normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@] > > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM > > > > To: S-Trains > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very > > > > > > > > pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, > > > > > > > > as the engine can really get rolling. > > > > > > > > A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a > > > > remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer > > > > engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well > > > > does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.American <http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com> FlyerTrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail> org/albums/modelrail > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57281	From: rep928	Date: 11/30/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Roy, > Both armature XA30A083 and axle bushings PA30A039 originals parts are still available if you need these. > Tom Seccia > Triple "S" Supplies > Tom: from the description on your site, these bushings appear to be those for the armature, which have a different design than those for the drive axle. Thanks though! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57282	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited

Hi Roy, � I believe I may have listed that bearing or bushing PA30A039 for the XA30B033 Brush Bracket.  The axle bushings for the F-9 should be the same as the axle bushings on the Casey Jones locos. � Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 11/30/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: F-9 repairs revisited To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 10:48 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Roy, > Both armature XA30A083 and axle bushings PA30A039 originals parts are still available if you need these. > Tom Seccia > Triple "S" Supplies > Tom: from the description on your site, these bushings appear to be those for the armature, which have a different design than those for the drive axle. Thanks though! - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57283	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Lancaster

http://www.theoldegreenfieldinn.com/ We are doing our usual Lancaster December trip next weekend, for train things, plus a trip to Wilbur's Chocolate plant to load on things, as if I need it. LOL The above is a restaurant we go to every December, as it is not too far away for those who go to York for the train meets. December is a wonderful time to be in Lancaster and visit Jim Lyle at his Gap, PA layout and Bob Board and his 880 square foot AF layout. And ride the train at Strasburg, including buying things at the Strasburg RR. And visiting the TCA museum and many other things, RR and non-RR. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57284	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Lionel Gateman

The last of the Lionel disguarded 45N Pre War Gateman was dropped off at the post office today to be delivered to a great TCA friend who gave me many sets of decals for the U of MD. I had promised him lunch at York, especially the crabcake sandwich with all the fixings, LOL, but we decided this was a good way to pay him back for his kindness in making me the decals. The base was dropped off in Denton, MD to another TCA friend. Neil is glad that his parts will be put to go use. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57285	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Fun with REAL trains

I am reading a book about a man who was a fireman for steam engines on the PRR, as this is a first, a railroad book, as usually I am reading a biography on some dead president or a baseball book. I know nothing about the operation of real trains, basically, since I up grew up in suburban MD next to Washington, DC, the most important town in the world. Anyway, this man is talking about brakemen who wear raincoats all the time, even when it is not raining. Why? To steal things from warehouses they deliver or pick up things. One example was a brakeman who looked very skinny in his raincoat. Upon leaving this warehouse, he was as big as a potbelly stove in the stomach. He had some kind of tea kettle under the coat he took from the warehouse. Another time the man asked if they could leave the caboose off the train, as he felt it was not needed, as this was in the 40's. He was told they needed it. Turns out they took this pallet of goods and the crate was full of cream pitchers that where to be used in restaurants, so they dumped the crate in a bog somewhere. So there you have it. They beat out Hugo and Che in doing things like this on the D&K RR. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57286	From: rickrubino	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: AF O scale 3 rail

I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57288	From: Gary	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Connecting base terminals

Is ity possible to connect together base terminals on multiple transformers? My problem is from trying to free up voltage for TMCC powermasters but still being able to run car accesories like mail car and unloading cars. If I wire these to seperate transformers they do not work because the base on the train rail is from a different transformer. Help anyone? Thanks, Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57289	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/1/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair

From: Alan Lambert One good sorce would be Doug Peck at  www.portines.com  e-mail at doug@... He should be able to help if he hasen't already seen your e-mail. Thanks, � Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas --- On Tue, 12/1/09, navmedguy <navmedguy@...> wrote: From: navmedguy <navmedguy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 7:52 PM   Hello all. I have an American Flyer 4-6-2 locomotive (312) handed down from my Great Grandfather. I'd like to give it to my son, but it has stopped running. The transformer works. The track is clean. And another AF loco runs fine on my track. The 312 engine just sits there, lights up, and hums when power is supplied. I've checked the wiring. It has been replaced per wiring diagram. The problem seems to be in the front component which contains bushings (I think), A piece is broken and I believe the electrical contacts are not... contacting. I've included links to pictures of the problem. I'm hoping to find out if this can be repaired or replaced, and perhaps some direction on how to do it, or where to have it done. Thanks so much! Here's the link. http://aboutsprout. smugmug.com/ photos/swfpopup. mg?AlbumID= 10507454& AlbumKey= wBHwL William Yavelak [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57290	From: rep928	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Roy, >   I believe I may have listed that bearing or bushing PA30A039 for the XA30B033 Brush Bracket.  The axle bushings for the F-9 should be the same as the axle bushings on the Casey Jones locos. >   Tom Seccia Tom: Ah ha! Exactly right. I was able to pull one off a junker Casey Jones. I will probably order some more to have spares. Thanks! BTW - I am willing to entertain suggestions from any and all on how to proceed with this repair. - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57291	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

You are asking on the wrong site. In spite of being Flyer most people on this site are so committed to S gauge that they wnt nothing to do with O, even if they have the same bodies as their postwar S Flyer. George Tebolt may have parts. See http://www.georgetebolt.com/ Decals I would suppose would be hard to get. Try your request on the Toy Trains site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrains/ and the Pre War O gauge group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prewarOgaugetrains/?yguid=141503938 Nice stuff and worth saving. ----- Original Message ----- From: rickrubino To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13820 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57292	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: PVMR Layout

PVMR's layout is set up in the lobby of the DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET, PA Rt 41 S of Rt 30 in GAP, PA> Hours of operation are 10 AM to 8 PM Wednesday, Thursday & Friday, 10 AM til 6 PM on Saturday. Featuring "S" gauge trains of all vintages, including THOMAS. NO ADMISSION is charged. We will sell "SUB" sandwiches (Hoagies, Grinders, Po Boys, etc) Thurs, Fri & Sat. We are close to Lancaster & Strasburg, PA, as well as Wilmington, DE, Southern New Jersey, and of course, Philly. Bring the family, bring kids (borrow some if you have to) friends, neighbors, etc. Hope to see you there, Jim Lyle The following link with take you to the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders layout for December, 2009. Thanks to all the hard workers that made this possible. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html) Previous years' displays. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRLAYOUT06-07-08.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRLAYOUT06-07-08.html) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57293	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair

William, It appears that the upper and lower fingers on the reversing unit are burned up and missing. This is where the power is transfered from the tender to the motor, and is a mechanical reversing unit for the engine. It is repairable, and parts are available. As has been suggested you can purchase parts from Doug Peck at Port Line Hobbies, and repair it yourself. There are also many on this chat group that would repair it for you, including myself. Most charge a nominal fee for this service, and for shipping. Please advise as to how you want to proceed. Thanks, Larry moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: navmedguy@... Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:52:14 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair Hello all. I have an American Flyer 4-6-2 locomotive (312) handed down from my Great Grandfather. I'd like to give it to my son, but it has stopped running. The transformer works. The track is clean. And another AF loco runs fine on my track. The 312 engine just sits there, lights up, and hums when power is supplied. I've checked the wiring. It has been replaced per wiring diagram. The problem seems to be in the front component which contains bushings (I think), A piece is broken and I believe the electrical contacts are not... contacting. I've included links to pictures of the problem. I'm hoping to find out if this can be repaired or replaced, and perhaps some direction on how to do it, or where to have it done. Thanks so much! Here's the link. http://aboutsprout.smugmug.com/photos/swfpopup.mg?AlbumID=10507454&AlbumKey=wBHwL William Yavelak _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57294	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Rick, � I have pilots and wheels in stock for all those units.  Please email me seccia@.... I also have  Pre War paint and decals and stickers. � Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 12/1/09, rickrubino <RRUBINO@...> wrote: From: rickrubino <RRUBINO@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 8:17 PM   I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57295	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: Connecting base terminals

As long as they are in phase connecting the base posts together should be no problem. To test the phasing unhook the transformer outputs and temporarily place a 12 volt bulb between the bases of the two transformers while plugged in to the AC and turn the AC plug around on one until the bulb is the dimmest. Then they are phased and you can connect the bases together. You can mark the AC plugs then so you know how to plug them in in the future. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Connecting base terminals Is ity possible to connect together base terminals on multiple transformers? My problem is from trying to free up voltage for TMCC powermasters but still being able to run car accesories like mail car and unloading cars. If I wire these to seperate transformers they do not work because the base on the train rail is from a different transformer. Help anyone? Thanks, Gary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57296	From: Bob A	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: FOR SALE

just posted a bunch of brass on ebay. seller id rta2 Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57297	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Poll Will Close soon

Hi Folks, It was a hot topic a couple of weeks ago. There is a poll on our group site "Would you <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=2923308> prefer that this Yahoo group remain public or become private? " So far there are 24 votes out of 1535 members. One of the voting options is "don't care" which really means "I do care about my group but not about this question". Please vote. The poll will close at the end of this week. Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57298	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: F-9 repairs revisited

Hi Roy,                I knew those would work.  I must double check that part number so we know how to get the correct description and part number.                                                    Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 12/1/09, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: F-9 repairs revisited To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 9:27 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Roy, > I believe I may have listed that bearing or bushing PA30A039 for the XA30B033 Brush Bracket. The axle bushings for the F-9 should be the same as the axle bushings on the Casey Jones locos. > Tom Seccia Tom: Ah ha! Exactly right. I was able to pull one off a junker Casey Jones. I will probably order some more to have spares. Thanks! BTW - I am willing to entertain suggestions from any and all on how to proceed with this repair. - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57299	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Alistair,                       I believe this site is the correct site to inquire about any A.C. Gilbert train.  Gilbert began making HO in 1938.  "O" Gauge in 1939 with 3/16 Scale bodies which is "S" Scale. There is a relationship to "S" Scale with those trains.  While these run on "O" Gauge track, these are not "O" Scale trains.  Almost all the American Flyer Parts dealers, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, and I believe Doug Peck handle the 3/16 "O" parts along with the "S" parts.  You should also consider that 027 Lionel & Marx bodies are very close to 3/16" Scale and many "S" scale people have converted these cars to "S"  Any member of the group needing help should be able to ask any of us a question where we may be able to help.                                             Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:17 AM   You are asking on the wrong site. In spite of being Flyer most people on this site are so committed to S gauge that they wnt nothing to do with O, even if they have the same bodies as their postwar S Flyer. George Tebolt may have parts. See http://www.georgete bolt.com/ Decals I would suppose would be hard to get. Try your request on the Toy Trains site http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/toytrains/ and the Pre War O gauge group - http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/prewarOgau getrains/ ?yguid=141503938 Nice stuff and worth saving. ----- Original Message ----- From: rickrubino To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13820 http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57300	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Tom. Tht's fine - I am happy with that, its just that in the past I experienced at least indiference and at most hostility to mention of these things. The change is good! Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail Hi Alistair, I believe this site is the correct site to inquire about any A.C. Gilbert train. Gilbert began making HO in 1938. "O" Gauge in 1939 with 3/16 Scale bodies which is "S" Scale. There is a relationship to "S" Scale with those trains. While these run on "O" Gauge track, these are not "O" Scale trains. Almost all the American Flyer Parts dealers, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, and I believe Doug Peck handle the 3/16 "O" parts along with the "S" parts. You should also consider that 027 Lionel & Marx bodies are very close to 3/16" Scale and many "S" scale people have converted these cars to "S" Any member of the group needing help should be able to ask any of us a question where we may be able to help. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:17 AM You are asking on the wrong site. In spite of being Flyer most people on this site are so committed to S gauge that they wnt nothing to do with O, even if they have the same bodies as their postwar S Flyer. George Tebolt may have parts. See http://www.georgete bolt.com/ Decals I would suppose would be hard to get. Try your request on the Toy Trains site http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/toytrains/ and the Pre War O gauge group - http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/prewarOgau getrains/ ?yguid=141503938 Nice stuff and worth saving. ----- Original Message ----- From: rickrubino To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13820 http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57301	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Alistair, I can understand what you experienced, but in order to expand "S" Scale & "S" Gauge, I believe we should re responsive to those in other scales.  Many American Flyer "S" Gaugers collect 3/16" "O" and Gilbert HO.  Today, thanks to American Models and The Showcase Line ("S" Helper), "S" scale has the opportunity to attract HO scale & 2 rail "O" scale mode railroaders. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:04 PM   Hi Tom. Tht's fine - I am happy with that, its just that in the past I experienced at least indiference and at most hostility to mention of these things. The change is good! Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail Hi Alistair, I believe this site is the correct site to inquire about any A.C. Gilbert train. Gilbert began making HO in 1938. "O" Gauge in 1939 with 3/16 Scale bodies which is "S" Scale. There is a relationship to "S" Scale with those trains. While these run on "O" Gauge track, these are not "O" Scale trains. Almost all the American Flyer Parts dealers, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, and I believe Doug Peck handle the 3/16 "O" parts along with the "S" parts. You should also consider that 027 Lionel & Marx bodies are very close to 3/16" Scale and many "S" scale people have converted these cars to "S" Any member of the group needing help should be able to ask any of us a question where we may be able to help. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s..com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:17 AM You are asking on the wrong site. In spite of being Flyer most people on this site are so committed to S gauge that they wnt nothing to do with O, even if they have the same bodies as their postwar S Flyer. George Tebolt may have parts. See http://www.georgete bolt.com/ Decals I would suppose would be hard to get. Try your request on the Toy Trains site http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/toytrains/ and the Pre War O gauge group - http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/prewarOgau getrains/ ?yguid=141503938 Nice stuff and worth saving. ----- Original Message ----- From: rickrubino To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13820 http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57302	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

To take you up on that Tom do you have a cow catcher assembly for a pre-war northern please? Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail Hi Alistair, I believe this site is the correct site to inquire about any A.C. Gilbert train. Gilbert began making HO in 1938. "O" Gauge in 1939 with 3/16 Scale bodies which is "S" Scale. There is a relationship to "S" Scale with those trains. While these run on "O" Gauge track, these are not "O" Scale trains. Almost all the American Flyer Parts dealers, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, and I believe Doug Peck handle the 3/16 "O" parts along with the "S" parts. You should also consider that 027 Lionel & Marx bodies are very close to 3/16" Scale and many "S" scale people have converted these cars to "S" Any member of the group needing help should be able to ask any of us a question where we may be able to help. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:17 AM You are asking on the wrong site. In spite of being Flyer most people on this site are so committed to S gauge that they wnt nothing to do with O, even if they have the same bodies as their postwar S Flyer. George Tebolt may have parts. See http://www.georgete bolt.com/ Decals I would suppose would be hard to get. Try your request on the Toy Trains site http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/toytrains/ and the Pre War O gauge group - http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/prewarOgau getrains/ ?yguid=141503938 Nice stuff and worth saving. ----- Original Message ----- From: rickrubino To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13820 http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57303	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Alistair, � Yes, part number is PA8959.� Please email seccia@... and I'll give you price and shipping. Thank You, Tom --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:54 PM   To take you up on that Tom do you have a cow catcher assembly for a pre-war northern please? Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail Hi Alistair, I believe this site is the correct site to inquire about any A.C. Gilbert train. Gilbert began making HO in 1938. "O" Gauge in 1939 with 3/16 Scale bodies which is "S" Scale. There is a relationship to "S" Scale with those trains. While these run on "O" Gauge track, these are not "O" Scale trains. Almost all the American Flyer Parts dealers, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, and I believe Doug Peck handle the 3/16 "O" parts along with the "S" parts. You should also consider that 027 Lionel & Marx bodies are very close to 3/16" Scale and many "S" scale people have converted these cars to "S" Any member of the group needing help should be able to ask any of us a question where we may be able to help. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. com.au> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s..com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:17 AM You are asking on the wrong site. In spite of being Flyer most people on this site are so committed to S gauge that they wnt nothing to do with O, even if they have the same bodies as their postwar S Flyer. George Tebolt may have parts. See http://www.georgete bolt.com/ Decals I would suppose would be hard to get. Try your request on the Toy Trains site http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/toytrains/ and the Pre War O gauge group - http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/prewarOgau getrains/ ?yguid=141503938 Nice stuff and worth saving. ----- Original Message ----- From: rickrubino To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13820 http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13830 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57304	From: preardon4girls	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: SHS 2008 Christmas Car

Hi Everyone, In my quest for SHS Christmas Cars (Grandkids and Me again), I've managed to end up with an extra 2008 Car (MEC covered hopper w/ Rudolph w/ lighted nose poking from a hatch). Anyhow, it is new in the box and I paid $65 for it. If anyone needs this for their set, I will sell it for $65 plus my actual shipping cost. BTW, I'm still looking for 1999, 2000, 2001, & 2002 Christmas Cars if anyone has any of these for sale or trade. Contact me at preardon@.... And Happy Holidays, Pat, in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57305	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

You are not alone, Alistair. I have found no group on Yahoo that is dedicated to American Flyer in all its sizes. The Marx group (as you know) is very open and helpful. The S-Scale guys are very closed and difficult - and I say that as someone who has been mostly a scale guy for over 40 years. It will be welcome news to think that discussions of Flyer 3/16ths O-gauge are welcome here, too. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alistair McAllister Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail Hi Tom. Tht's fine - I am happy with that, its just that in the past I experienced at least indiference and at most hostility to mention of these things. The change is good! Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail Hi Alistair, I believe this site is the correct site to inquire about any A.C. Gilbert train. Gilbert began making HO in 1938. "O" Gauge in 1939 with 3/16 Scale bodies which is "S" Scale. There is a relationship to "S" Scale with those trains. While these run on "O" Gauge track, these are not "O" Scale trains. Almost all the American Flyer Parts dealers, Fred Jester, Ron Leventon, and I believe Doug Peck handle the 3/16 "O" parts along with the "S" parts. You should also consider that 027 Lionel & Marx bodies are very close to 3/16" Scale and many "S" scale people have converted these cars to "S" Any member of the group needing help should be able to ask any of us a question where we may be able to help. Tom Seccia _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57306	From: Ben	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: 761 automatic semaphore

Can anyone give me some idea on how to properly wire an AF 761 automatic semaphore? I resoldered the black wire to the bottom of the light socket last evening and got it working, but of the four wires (green, yellow, red, white), I am not sure where they go. I know it used a track trip. I hope to use optic devices or the like. I got this in a lot of Flyer stuff from a co-worker. It and a nice bridge were among the saving graces of the lot... Thanks in advance! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57307	From: AlR	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Christmas Gondola Inserts

I have created an album with photos: Christmas Gondola inserts Styrofoam inserts for gondolas with a Christmas theme. Check them out. Order from me offline at my email address. thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57308	From: AlR	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Christmas Gondolas with inserts.

I have available 10 American Flyer/S-Gauge Gondola Christmas Holidays Styrofoam Inserts that are perfect for Christmas and as cute as a bug. They were each hand-made and I am selling them for $14.95 plus shipping costs - they normally sell for $19.95. They hardly weigh 1/4 ounce so the shipping materials will be the biggest cost. Buy as many as you like. They are similar to Lionel's Christmas dump cars and the Naughtly and Nice hopper cars with all the packages but only cuter. Some have Santa, reindeer, trees, jingle bells, Sylvester the Cat, TAZ, Bug Bunny, Wooden Soldiers, miniature stuffed bears, and many more items. No two inserts are the same. Email me off this group for more information. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57309	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: 761 automatic semaphore

Ben,   >>>>> Can anyone give me some idea on how to properly wire an AF 761 automatic semaphore? I resoldered the black wire to the bottom of the light socket last evening and got it working, but of the four wires (green, yellow, red, white), I am not sure where they go. >>>>>   Pretty simple. Red wire goes to STOP track trip. Green wire goes to GO Track Trip Yellow goes to the Terminal in the Stopping Section that is insulated with fiber track pins (only ONE rail) Black Goes to the BASE post of the transformer.   The "other side" of the  2 track trip goes to the 15 VAC post. This completes the circuit necessary to activate the solenoid in the semaphore.   When the Stop track trip makes contact, the relay in the base of the 761 will BREAK the contact that supplies power to the isolated stopping section and the semaphore will drop to restricting.   When the GO track trip makes contact, the relay in the 761 base MAKES the circuit, train starts,   Keep in mind that the isolated rail is powered from the same rail, through the 761 relay, as the variable side of the transformer. My colors are faded so the "yellow" wire might be white.     >>>>> I know it used a track trip. I hope to use optic devices or the like. >>>>> Keep in mind that the semaphore uses a solenoid. It may NOT have continuous power or you smoke the coil. The contact trip is MOMENTARY ONLY. If you use a non-mechanical track trip, it must be capable of only momentary contact to throw the solenoid. I do not think any optical device can accomplish that task since it would have to be connected to another relay to throw the solenoid. That relay would supply continuous power and toast the coil.   Is is a smarter move to use what A.C.Gilbert  designed than try to reinvent the wheel. It is simple, cheap, and works quite well    They were pretty smart cookies.   Regards, Nick Kulp TCA 05-59603     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57310	From: Bob	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Fall, 2009 1:64MG Issue Update 2 & A Quick Railfan Trip

Hello, all. Yesterday I received the proof for the fall issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide from the printer. I reviewed and approved it and sent it back with instructions to run the job, so it won't be much longer! If your subscription has expired and you still haven't sent in your renewal, you still have time to get it in before the Fall, 2009 issue is mailed out. This afternoon myself and a couple of friends visited a hobby shop (one of my companions had to drop off an engine for repairs). Afterward, we took an impromptu ride up to Butler, New Jersey, one time terminus of the New York, Susquehanna & Western's commuter district, and still a base of operations for the railroad's maintenance department. The Susie-Q has always been a favorite of mine and I think it's a great prototype to model. We saw one of the original four NYSW RDC-1s, as well as three ex-Long Island RR coaches. A former Conrail/PC transfer caboose and an old Fowler (I think) boxcar that had been repainted (incorrectly) into the 1960s-era green "Ship With Susie-Q" with the curvy blond carrying a lantern paint scheme was also there. They were all sitting on one of the two remaining commuter layover yard tracks. An additional RDC and LIRR coach could be seen outside the building erected by the NYSW Technical & Historical society a couple of years ago. We could not see what was inside, as the doors were closed and Susie-Q is very serious about trespassing on its property. A number of 40-ft boxcars were there, too, some converted into storage sheds and offices. The former depot, built in 1888, is now the Butler museum (open only on Saturdays) and is in good shape. The old platform curbing is still in place, as is the mast for the train order signal! The last commuter trains ran in 1966, but NJ Transit has been interested in restoring service on at least part of the line for some time. The area offers a wealth of information for the modeler, and the next time I know I'm going up there you can be sure I'll have my camera with me and it will be featured in the pages of the 1:64 Modeling Guide. The only disappointment is that no trains came through while we were there. Happy modeling! Bob Nalbone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57311	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/2/2009
Subject: Re: 761 automatic semaphore

Ben, check out my photo album (acgilbertguy), and you will find the AF hook-up instructions for the 761 to a TRANSFORMER. (They are different for the No. 14 Electronic Rectiformer and the No. 15 Directronic Rectifier). Hope this helps. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Can anyone give me some idea on how to properly wire an AF 761 automatic semaphore? I resoldered the black wire to the bottom of the light socket last evening and got it working, but of the four wires (green, yellow, red, white), I am not sure where they go. > > I know it used a track trip. I hope to use optic devices or the like. > > I got this in a lot of Flyer stuff from a co-worker. It and a nice bridge were among the saving graces of the lot... > > Thanks in advance! > > Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57312	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

If all American Flyer is not welcome in this group I for one would probably quit the group.Mainly because some of the emails I get have nothing to do with American Flyer. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail You are not alone, Alistair. I have found no group on Yahoo that is dedicated to American Flyer in all its sizes. The Marx group (as you know) is very open and helpful. The S-Scale guys are very closed and difficult - and I say that as someone who has been mostly a scale guy for over 40 years. It will be welcome news to think that discussions of Flyer 3/16ths O-gauge are welcome here, too. Bill Reply from Bill Porter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.90/2540 - Release Date: 12/02/09 07:33:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57313	From: navmedguy	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Old and New

**warning: novice about to ask questions** !! Engage maximum patience !! I have two old post war AF engines (a 312 4-6-2, and a 300 4-2-2) with the original transformer and track. As I understand it, these run on alternating current. I would like to upgrade to the S-helper sectional track and build a layout with my son on which we can run these old trains AND a new train or two from American Models. We especially like the looks of their 4-8-4 Northern, and their stream lined trains. We are not particularly interested in very complicated wiring, and we like the idea of access to all the 'cool' stuff like bells, sounds, whistle, etc. So, the ideal for us would be some way to make all these trains capable of running on the same layout with some flavor of a DCC / TMCC type system. Is this possible? Do I have to convert my AC AF trains to DC somehow, or is there a flavor of digital control that works in AC? Does this even matter? - for all I know DCC or TMCC can work for either... does it? Cost really isn't an issue, and I don't mind sending my old trains away for adjustment or electronics, or whatever. What's the best way to get the old and new engines running on a simply wired digitally controlled track..... if possible? Thanks. dr y

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57314	From: Grumpy	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Decal sale

Decal sale Internet special Decal sale from Dec 3, 2009- Jan, 3 2010 all decals are 20% off, all BNSF decals are 50% off be sure to write internet special on the order form Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals www.oddballsdecals.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57315	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: S scale chickens.

http://www.actionfarmtoys.com/default.htm In looking for S scale steer that I need, which they have, I see they have S scale chickens. I will have a flock of them escaping down the road past Neil and the Plasticville Supermarket ala Chicken Run. LOL A ton of ground foam is coming in tomorrow. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57316	From: Dave	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Repair Shop Up Date

For all of the North Carolina and other "S" scale American Flyer modelers this is an up date as promised about a NEW SERVICE/RESTORATION SHOP for AF STEAM ENGINES AND TENDERS plus related equipment opening in the WILMINGTON NORTH CAROLINA AREA. Here are the particulars: NAME: LOW COUNTRY FLYER OWNER/OPERATOR: J.W. BULLOCK EMAIL: lowcountryflyer@... PHONE NUMBER: 910-770-1427 (please leave message) ADDRESS: P.O. Box 274, Brunswick, NC 28424 OPENING DATE: 01-05-2010 You may want to contact the shop early (before the opening date) as these people produce almost flawless restorations and repairs of AF STEAM ENGINES AND TENDERS and will promptly be deluged with requests for their services. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 (502) 292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57317	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair

Nice photos William, and I'm sure you had a lot of help from the group... --- On Tue, 12/1/09, navmedguy <navmedguy@...> wrote: From: navmedguy <navmedguy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 5:52 PM   Hello all. I have an American Flyer 4-6-2 locomotive (312) handed down from my Great Grandfather. I'd like to give it to my son, but it has stopped running. The transformer works. The track is clean. And another AF loco runs fine on my track. The 312 engine just sits there, lights up, and hums when power is supplied. I've checked the wiring. It has been replaced per wiring diagram. The problem seems to be in the front component which contains bushings (I think), A piece is broken and I believe the electrical contacts are not... contacting. I've included links to pictures of the problem. I'm hoping to find out if this can be repaired or replaced, and perhaps some direction on how to do it, or where to have it done. Thanks so much! Here's the link. http://aboutsprout. smugmug.com/ photos/swfpopup. mg?AlbumID= 10507454& AlbumKey= wBHwL William Yavelak [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57318	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Gondola Inserts

And just where might your album be? Link? Thanks, Rick On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:54 PM, AlR wrote: > I have created an album with photos: Christmas Gondola inserts > > > thanks. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57319	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: Old and New

Conversion of your locos to DC can motors and DCC sound decoders is the "Easiest" way to get what you want. TMCC is nice, but more complicated. We have been doing these conversions to DCC for quite a long time now. Check our web site at _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/03/2009 4:42:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, navmedguy@... writes: **warning: novice about to ask questions** !! Engage maximum patience !! I have two old post war AF engines (a 312 4-6-2, and a 300 4-2-2) with the original transformer and track. As I understand it, these run on alternating current. I would like to upgrade to the S-helper sectional track and build a layout with my son on which we can run these old trains AND a new train or two from American Models. We especially like the looks of their 4-8-4 Northern, and their stream lined trains. We are not particularly interested in very complicated wiring, and we like the idea of access to all the 'cool' stuff like bells, sounds, whistle, etc. So, the ideal for us would be some way to make all these trains capable of running on the same layout with some flavor of a DCC / TMCC type system. Is this possible? Do I have to convert my AC AF trains to DC somehow, or is there a flavor of digital control that works in AC? Does this even matter? - for all I know DCC or TMCC can work for either... does it? Cost really isn't an issue, and I don't mind sending my old trains away for adjustment or electronics, or whatever. What's the best way to get the old and new engines running on a simply wired digitally controlled track..... if possible? Thanks. dr y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57320	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: What do you use as putty

Good evening: I need to fill some 'dents' in a styrene car before painting. I am trying Testers putty. I have to squeeze the tube very hard to get it out. I stuck in a brass rod and this super-thick putty goes all the way to the end. I have had several tubes of this putty and they were all the same. It is very hard to work with. What do you use? Thanks, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57321	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

I have no problem seeing anything about American Flyer in any scale, or something else that connects to S gauge trains, such as history, real railroad information, etc. Seeing how info about Flyer Standard Gauge and O Gauge is so limited, I see no problem with occassional questions and answers about these bits of history...after all, I might well learn something! Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? In fact we have strayed off topic many times and sometimes had to be "reigned in" by our Moderators. Stumpy Stone...lover of all kinds of trains in all sorts of scales, incuding 1/1th scale...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57322	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: What do you use as putty

Hi Thorin, I like Squadron brand putty. Both the green and white are good. The Testor's stuff has been OK for me in the past, although I prefer the Squadron stuff. If it is very hard to squeeze out, it may be overage and dried out. You might be able to revive it for a short while by thinning it with lacquer thinner in a well-ventilated (hear that lawyers?) area. Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thorin Marty Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:05 PM To: S Trains Newsgroup; S Scale Newsgroup Subject: [S-Trains] What do you use as putty Good evening: I need to fill some 'dents' in a styrene car before painting. I am trying Testers putty. I have to squeeze the tube very hard to get it out. I stuck in a brass rod and this super-thick putty goes all the way to the end. I have had several tubes of this putty and they were all the same. It is very hard to work with. What do you use? Thanks, Thorin ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57323	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: What do you use for putty?

Perhaps your putty has gotten air to it and is going hard? It is very important to keep any plastic filler tubes air tight to keep it from drying out, after all, that's what it does when you put it on a model! Sometimes the putty will harden at the cap, but still be good once you dig the hardened portion out with a small screwdriver. I have had good luck with "Squadron Green" putty from Walthers, and have also used auto body scratch filler in big tubes from the auto parts store. The auto body filler comes in tubes so big that they usually go hard before you can empty them doing model work, but they are often rather cheap and they don't need a chemical hardener to "kick" them off to set. I have also tried regular "Bondo" type auto body putty a few times for model work, but it comes only in large cans, is a two part product requiring a hardener mixed in, and is inconvenient to bother with for model projects. Two part products of any kind generate heat from chemical reaction that could damage plastic, but I have not used enough "Bondo" on models to do this. Since I do a lot of model work with trains and cars, I can use up a tube of "Squadron Green" well before it hardens. I hope this info helps... Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57324	From: mikenguy9	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: gulf 625g decals-dry transfer

Does any one make dry transfer decals to replace some worn off decals on Flyers 625 silver Gulf car? I am thinking there is a decal place in Ontario, Canada, but do not have their address, or their e-mail. I did deal with them maybe 14 years ago. and liked their H0 line. but now it is American Flyer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57325	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: What do you use as putty

I have used Evercoat Eurosoft putty, an automotive product for years. It's a two part system with a tube of hardener and a small tub of the putty. I have been using the same tub for years with no hardening although I have had to replace the small tube of hardener a few times...available at better auto parts retailers. The added benefit is that the Evercoat does not shrink as much as modeling putties and takes paint well.   Bob hendrickson --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote: From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> Subject: [S-Trains] What do you use as putty To: "S Trains Newsgroup" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale Newsgroup" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:04 PM   Good evening: I need to fill some 'dents' in a styrene car before painting. I am trying Testers putty. I have to squeeze the tube very hard to get it out. I stuck in a brass rod and this super-thick putty goes all the way to the end. I have had several tubes of this putty and they were all the same. It is very hard to work with. What do you use? Thanks, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57326	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57327	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: gulf 625g decals-dry transfer

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: Hi Mike, � I have Gulf Water Decals and Gulf Stickers for 625, 625G and 925 Tank Cars.  There are no Dry Trsfers available for the 625G. � Tom Seccia From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] gulf 625g decals-dry transfer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:42 PM   Does any one make dry transfer decals to replace some worn off decals on Flyers 625 silver Gulf car? I am thinking there is a decal place in Ontario, Canada, but do not have their address, or their e-mail. I did deal with them maybe 14 years ago. and liked their H0 line. but now it is American Flyer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57328	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: gulf 625g decals-dry transfer

Yes, we stock the #625g decals. Go to our web site at    http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html   You should find them there. If not please Email and we will produce them for you. Dave   LBR Restoratins U.S.A. dave@...     --- On Thu, 12/3/09, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] gulf 625g decals-dry transfer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:42 PM   Does any one make dry transfer decals to replace some worn off decals on Flyers 625 silver Gulf car? I am thinking there is a decal place in Ontario, Canada, but do not have their address, or their e-mail. I did deal with them maybe 14 years ago. and liked their H0 line. but now it is American Flyer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57329	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Capitol Holidays Layout Reconstructed

Hello friends, After 25 years, the snow has finally melted on our Oregon Capitol Holidays Layout. The snow had turned pretty yellow (Beware of yellow snow!), and the scenery had become cracked and chipped over the years. A seven month renovation included taking the layout down to bare plywood, replacing much of the hill scenery base with foam, and changing the scenery from a snowy winter to a crisp late fall. A fellow TTOS member from Seattle posted a clip on You Tube of the layout at the Puyallup Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour Show last month. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfOOO3FocOc Kind of a goofy consist with an S Helper SW-9 pulling a strange assortment of Lionel AF TTOS cars with a Gilbert AF caboose bringing up the rear. The scale model guys will go nuts, but the kids and TTOS folks liked it. Compare it to an earlier post from a train show in Portland a few years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmzqlMkxprs The layout is under Oregon's State Capitol Tree now through Christmas. In keeping with our Salem tradition, I used all Gilbert AF equipment for the Capitol, and the old AF Atlantic came right out of the tunnel on cue when Santa and the Governor threw the switch to light the tree. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57330	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: Old and New

I have TWO AF engines and Four action cars converted to DCC by Steve and they run great and have sound. I highly recommend it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old and New Conversion of your locos to DC can motors and DCC sound decoders is the "Easiest" way to get what you want. TMCC is nice, but more complicated. We have been doing these conversions to DCC for quite a long time now. Check our web site at _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/03/2009 4:42:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, navmedguy@... writes: **warning: novice about to ask questions** !! Engage maximum patience !! I have two old post war AF engines (a 312 4-6-2, and a 300 4-2-2) with the original transformer and track. As I understand it, these run on alternating current. I would like to upgrade to the S-helper sectional track and build a layout with my son on which we can run these old trains AND a new train or two from American Models. We especially like the looks of their 4-8-4 Northern, and their stream lined trains. We are not particularly interested in very complicated wiring, and we like the idea of access to all the 'cool' stuff like bells, sounds, whistle, etc. So, the ideal for us would be some way to make all these trains capable of running on the same layout with some flavor of a DCC / TMCC type system. Is this possible? Do I have to convert my AC AF trains to DC somehow, or is there a flavor of digital control that works in AC? Does this even matter? - for all I know DCC or TMCC can work for either... does it? Cost really isn't an issue, and I don't mind sending my old trains away for adjustment or electronics, or whatever. What's the best way to get the old and new engines running on a simply wired digitally controlled track..... if possible? Thanks. dr y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57331	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys?  Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM   Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57332	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: American Flyer O gauge Posts

I can tell you any posts requesting help with American Flyer O gauge will be honored with a post by this moderator. S-gauge has its roots in AF O gauge and many question's answers cross over to both. Sometimes it is a tough call to forward posts but these are no brainers. There were some hard feelings between the S-trains and S-scale groups at one time and we can't afford to repeat it with American Flyer O gauge discrimination. We welcome all of the American Flyer family, Tinplate, High Rail and kit bashers alike and O Flyer too. American Flyer is such a minority we need to stand together. IMHO. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57333	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair

Hi: Would someone (Clayton??) please redo the link? I tried the link as written, then removing the spaces between the words, etc., but have not been able to see the pics. Thanks for the help. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) clayton deich wrote: > > > Nice photos William, and I'm sure you had a lot of help from the group... > > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, navmedguy <navmedguy@... > <mailto:navmedguy%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: navmedguy <navmedguy@... <mailto:navmedguy%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 4-6-2 Loco (312) Repair > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 5:52 PM > > > > Hello all. > > I have an American Flyer 4-6-2 locomotive (312) handed down from my > Great Grandfather. I'd like to give it to my son, but it has stopped > running. The transformer works. The track is clean. And another AF > loco runs fine on my track. > > The 312 engine just sits there, lights up, and hums when power is > supplied. I've checked the wiring. It has been replaced per wiring > diagram. The problem seems to be in the front component which contains > bushings (I think), A piece is broken and I believe the electrical > contacts are not... contacting. > > I've included links to pictures of the problem. > > I'm hoping to find out if this can be repaired or replaced, and > perhaps some direction on how to do it, or where to have it done. > > Thanks so much! Here's the link. > > http://aboutsprout. smugmug.com/ photos/swfpopup. mg?AlbumID= > 10507454& AlbumKey= wBHwL > > William Yavelak > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57334	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Clayton,                      I completely agree with you.  At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me.    Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship.  Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks  Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO.  Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges.  I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM   I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57335	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

The TCA has a yahoo list where anyone can join. You do not have to be a member, as the discussion of anything O scale is great there, as it is mostly O. Talking about O scale AF would be good over there. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail Hi Clayton, I completely agree with you. At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me. Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship. Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO. Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges. I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57336	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Woodland Product review

I ordered your Woodland Scenic product WD0047 Apples and Oranges and I am very disappointed with the product. I wanted to use them in making open crates of apples, so I followed your directions in spraying with matte medium. The color is not water proof so they ran. Also, I think these are just color cake and cookie sprinkles. Mike Marmer Woodland's response. As this is a crisis for Hugo. LOL He will be accused of selling tainted apples and oranges at his company control Produce Market, but wait, the produce came from Lechner Produce, that produce loading dock I made, so I think my friend Joseph Lechner will be taken to trial by Che. The AF Cows are the jury and they MIGHT be able to be paid off with lots of good eats. I hear Che does not lose a case and the end result is not good. Mike Marmer Michael, Sorry you had this issue. I have forwarded your email to our product quality department and will be getting back to you with a response. Dayna Larson Woodland Scenics [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57337	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer O gauge Posts

As a fellow moderator, I fully agree with Carl's post.  Ed Eckert ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 4:27:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer O gauge Posts   I can tell you any posts requesting help with American Flyer O gauge will be honored with a post by this moderator. S-gauge has its roots in AF O gauge and many question's answers cross over to both. Sometimes it is a tough call to forward posts but these are no brainers. There were some hard feelings between the S-trains and S-scale groups at one time and we can't afford to repeat it with American Flyer O gauge discrimination. We welcome all of the American Flyer family, Tinplate, High Rail and kit bashers alike and O Flyer too. American Flyer is such a minority we need to stand together. IMHO. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: apples

http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/BearingBalls/Kit8587 Thanks for Joseph Lechner's suggestion, I found 1/16" ball bearing that I can order and spray paint red. Perfect. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57339	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer O gauge Posts

I forgot to add that I have no problem with AF O gauge on this site, but again, there are many O gaugers on the TCA site that might a good source for anyone interested. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: EDWARD ECKERT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer O gauge Posts As a fellow moderator, I fully agree with Carl's post. Ed Eckert ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 4:27:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer O gauge Posts I can tell you any posts requesting help with American Flyer O gauge will be honored with a post by this moderator. S-gauge has its roots in AF O gauge and many question's answers cross over to both. Sometimes it is a tough call to forward posts but these are no brainers. There were some hard feelings between the S-trains and S-scale groups at one time and we can't afford to repeat it with American Flyer O gauge discrimination. We welcome all of the American Flyer family, Tinplate, High Rail and kit bashers alike and O Flyer too. American Flyer is such a minority we need to stand together. IMHO. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57340	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Coupons!!

Today I got a AF item in the mail from a Ebay bid. In taking out the packing material which was from a newspaper, I hit a gold mine of coupons! And yes, I do use coupons in shopping for things, as I do the food shopping here. My wife was here as I unpacked the box and I said there is coupon sheets from the Sunday paper. She said "Good, maybe you will make some money on this." LOL Sadly, there was only one coupon for a dollar on some chopped clam product that I use in chowders or with pasta. So,hey, it was a buck back. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57341	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer . . . . . . . . . .. Talking about O scale AF would be good. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Talking about O scale AF would be very revelatory to many of us. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57342	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

I agree, as it is always nice to learn more about AF before AC Gilbert owned it. And that should apply to HO AF too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer . . . . . . . . . .. Talking about O scale AF would be good. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Talking about O scale AF would be very revelatory to many of us. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57343	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Mike, Sounds like you may not completely understand that your "S" gauge Flyer really began in 1939? Only the track and trucks are different; not all Flyer "O" is the chunky (Lionel-like) "Chicago" stuff. ACG's first offerings - in the post Chicago period - were two 3/16" Hudson and two 3/16" Northern diecast sets. Real diecast, not plastic. I'm sure the two-rail track would have come a lot sooner were it not for the war. Glad to hear the welcome mat hitting the floor; and I suspect Shiffy is too! Dick Hosmer ACG 1939-1941 collector/operator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57345	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

I am glad my comments have raised positive thoughts and I am relieved that others had got the same bad vibes in the past. I realize I am a serial whinger and thought I was getting even more paranoid. Now I can be positive again because I still love my Flyer S and 3/16 O . Alistair - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hosmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail Mike, Sounds like you may not completely understand that your "S" gauge Flyer really began in 1939? Only the track and trucks are different; not all Flyer "O" is the chunky (Lionel-like) "Chicago" stuff. ACG's first offerings - in the post Chicago period - were two 3/16" Hudson and two 3/16" Northern diecast sets. Real diecast, not plastic. I'm sure the two-rail track would have come a lot sooner were it not for the war. Glad to hear the welcome mat hitting the floor; and I suspect Shiffy is too! Dick Hosmer ACG 1939-1941 collector/operator E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13850 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13850 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57346	From: Rick rubino	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

> > WWOWwwwww WOW ! did not know my question would start all this. thanks guys you gave me some good sources and more inspiration to get these trains back in running order . Tom Seccia did you get my email with the list of parts i am looking for? thanks again guys i will put some pics up when i finish the first one. Rick Rubino PS: The other s guage yahoo group never responded to my request to join! > __._,_.__ > _ > Reply to sender > <mailto:?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE:%20AF%20O%20scale%203%20rail> > | Reply to group > <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE:%20AF%20O%20scale%203%20rail> > > Messages in this topic > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/57321;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YmlqMmFuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM1NzMzNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNTk5NDgwMDkEdHBjSWQDNTczMjE-> > (4) > Recent Activity: > > * New Members > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMDVzOXY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjU5OTQ4MDA5?o=6> > 6 > * New Photos > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOGtiOThxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjU5OTQ4MDA5> > 12 > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYzJvZXRuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNTk5NDgwMDk-> > Start a New Topic > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjN3RzNTl0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNTk5NDgwMDk-> > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > MARKETPLACE > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14kn0vqk1/M=493064.13814333.13821539.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1259955209/L=/B=NKz_MUPDhFs-/J=1259948009527042/K=ImA7Av5f58s4pSnK_MGXmQ/A=5922843/R=0/SIG=11ckn2mo6/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/green/> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14k426e2m/M=493064.13814537.13821737.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1259955209/L=/B=Naz_MUPDhFs-/J=1259948009527042/K=ImA7Av5f58s4pSnK_MGXmQ/A=5922843/R=0/SIG=11ckn2mo6/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/green/> > > Yahoo! Groups > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYzBraTRiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTI1OTk0ODAwOQ--> > > Switch to: Text-Only > <mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional>, > Daily Digest > <mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest> > • Unsubscribe > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> • > Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > . > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57347	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Here it is one more time... --- On Tue, 12/1/09, rickrubino <RRUBINO@...> wrote: From: rickrubino <RRUBINO@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 5:17 PM   I was just given a large collection of 3 rail AF neat stuff but beat a 4-8-4 prr 4-6-2 nyc 4-6-2 and reading 4-4-2 got them all running but i need pilot and trailing truck wheels. i also have about 20 cars all repainted but would like to strip and repaint back to origenal paint schemes anyone out there sell parts decals and paint so i can do these. Thanks Rick Rubino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57348	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Tom, I have a little of that too...  Clayton  Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM   Hi Clayton,                      I completely agree with you.  At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me.    Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship.  Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks  Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO.  Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges.  I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM   I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57349	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer O gauge Posts

This is very nice to hear from you Carl! --- On Fri, 12/4/09, carl@... <carl@...> wrote: From: carl@... <carl@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer O gauge Posts To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 4:27 AM   I can tell you any posts requesting help with American Flyer O gauge will be honored with a post by this moderator. S-gauge has its roots in AF O gauge and many question's answers cross over to both. Sometimes it is a tough call to forward posts but these are no brainers. There were some hard feelings between the S-trains and S-scale groups at one time and we can't afford to repeat it with American Flyer O gauge discrimination. We welcome all of the American Flyer family, Tinplate, High Rail and kit bashers alike and O Flyer too. American Flyer is such a minority we need to stand together. IMHO. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57350	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Rick, I'm putting a list together for you.  I'll get it to you tomorrow.  Sorry about the delay. � Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Rick rubino <RRUBINO@...> wrote: From: Rick rubino <RRUBINO@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:25 PM   > > WWOWwwwww WOW ! did not know my question would start all this. thanks guys you gave me some good sources and more inspiration to get these trains back in running order . Tom Seccia did you get my email with the list of parts i am looking for? thanks again guys i will put some pics up when i finish the first one. Rick Rubino PS: The other s guage yahoo group never responded to my request to join! > __._,_.__ > _ > Reply to sender > <mailto:?subject= Re:%20%5BS- Trains%5D% 20RE:%20AF% 20O%20scale% 203%20rail> > | Reply to group > <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com?subject=Re: %20%5BS-Trains% 5D%20RE:% 20AF%20O% 20scale%203% 20rail> > > Messages in this topic > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ message/57321; _ylc=X3oDMTM0Yml qMmFuBF9TAzk3MzU 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI 2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQ DMTcwNjUzMzgxOAR tc2dJZAM1NzMzNAR zZWMDZnRyBHNsawN 2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE yNTk5NDgwMDkEdHB jSWQDNTczMjE-> > (4) > Recent Activity: > > * New Members > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ members;_ ylc=X3oDMTJkMDVz OXY0BF9TAzk3MzU5 NzE0BGdycElkAzI2 MjgzBGdycHNwSWQD MTcwNjUzMzgxOARz ZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2 bWJycwRzdGltZQMx MjU5OTQ4MDA5? o=6> > 6 > * New Photos > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ spnew;_ylc= X3oDMTJkOGtiOThx BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0 BGdycElkAzI2Mjgz BGdycHNwSWQDMTcw NjUzMzgxOARzZWMD dnRsBHNsawN2cGhv dARzdGltZQMxMjU5 OTQ4MDA5> > 12 > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains; _ylc=X3oDMTJjYzJ vZXRuBF9TAzk3MzU 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI 2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQ DMTcwNjUzMzgxOAR zZWMDdnRsBHNsawN 2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE yNTk5NDgwMDk-> > Start a New Topic > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ post;_ylc= X3oDMTJjN3RzNTl0 BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0 BGdycElkAzI2Mjgz BGdycHNwSWQDMTcw NjUzMzgxOARzZWMD ZnRyBHNsawNudHBj BHN0aW1lAzEyNTk5 NDgwMDk-> > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ > MARKETPLACE > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > <http://us.ard. yahoo.com/ SIG=14kn0vqk1/ M=493064. 13814333. 13821539. 13298430/ D=groups/ S=1706533818: MKP1/Y=YAHOO/ EXP=1259955209/ L=/B=NKz_ MUPDhFs-/ J=12599480095270 42/K=ImA7Av5f58s 4pSnK_MGXmQ/ A=5922843/ R=0/SIG=11ckn2mo 6/*http:/ /advision. webevents. yahoo.com/ green/> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > <http://us.ard. yahoo.com/ SIG=14k426e2m/ M=493064. 13814537. 13821737. 10835568/ D=groups/ S=1706533818: MKP1/Y=YAHOO/ EXP=1259955209/ L=/B=Naz_ MUPDhFs-/ J=12599480095270 42/K=ImA7Av5f58s 4pSnK_MGXmQ/ A=5922843/ R=0/SIG=11ckn2mo 6/*http:/ /advision. webevents. yahoo.com/ green/> > > Yahoo! Groups > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ ;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYz BraTRiBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE0BGdycElkAz I2MjgzBGdycHNwSW QDMTcwNjUzMzgxOA RzZWMDZnRyBHNsaw NnZnAEc3RpbWUDMT I1OTk0ODAwOQ- -> > > Switch to: Text-Only > <mailto:S-Trains-traditiona l@yahoogroups. com?subject=Change% 20Delivery% 20Format: %20Traditional> , > Daily Digest > <mailto:S-Trains-digest@ yahoogroups. com?subject=Email% 20Delivery: %20Digest> > • Unsubscribe > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscrib e@yahoogroups. com?subject=Unsubscrib e> • > Terms of Use <http://docs. yahoo.com/ info/terms/> > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57351	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/4/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Clayton, Thought you might have some of those. � Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/4/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:29 PM   Tom, I have a little of that too... Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM Hi Clayton, I completely agree with you. At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me. Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship. Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO. Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges. I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57352	From: michael prell	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

In the past when ever I thought about American Flyer, I always thought S-gauge. That changed about a year ago when I had the chance to bid on (didn't win) an old 1939 AC Gilbert Erector set which featured a Royal Blue engine. As I looked at the display, it suddenly dawned on me that there was no way a Flyer S-gauge could have been produced at that time. Then I looked for the coal tender and discovered that there wasn't one. How in heck did they power this thing? And that's when I discovered the truth. That Gilbert did, indeed, produce O-gauge. Since then I've seen several more Blue-O's and have been tempted to bid. But I don't think so. Nice as they are, I've got way too much S-track to start buying O-track now. Things are confusing enough! Great conversation, Folks!  Aint history fascinating? Mike Prell    Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57353	From: racin510	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: stockyard mat

I am in need of a simple solution to replace a very worn mat. Is there something from my local crafts store that will motivate the cows?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57354	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: stockyard mat

You can experiment with fine black emery paper.....make sure it's flat. Or we have original replacement mats. <<<I am in need of a simple solution to replace a very worn mat. Is there something from my local crafts store that will motivate the cows?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57355	From: michael prell	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: stockyard mat

doug@... Contact Doug Peck. He's got what you need and it's fitted for the stock yard. No muss, no fuss. Good luck. M.Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 12/4/09, racin510 <racin510@...> wrote: From: racin510 <racin510@...> Subject: [S-Trains] stockyard mat To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 11:58 PM   I am in need of a simple solution to replace a very worn mat. Is there something from my local crafts store that will motivate the cows? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57356	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Mike,                With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel.  The contacts in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up.  Unless you got a three rail set up, stick with the 350 S Gauge Royal Blues.  3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings.                                                            Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/4/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:27 PM   In the past when ever I thought about American Flyer, I always thought S-gauge. That changed about a year ago when I had the chance to bid on (didn't win) an old 1939 AC Gilbert Erector set which featured a Royal Blue engine. As I looked at the display, it suddenly dawned on me that there was no way a Flyer S-gauge could have been produced at that time. Then I looked for the coal tender and discovered that there wasn't one. How in heck did they power this thing? And that's when I discovered the truth. That Gilbert did, indeed, produce O-gauge. Since then I've seen several more Blue-O's and have been tempted to bid. But I don't think so. Nice as they are, I've got way too much S-track to start buying O-track now. Things are confusing enough! Great conversation, Folks! Aint history fascinating? Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57357	From: Jim King	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Last call to reserve an FM H10-44

Design of the upcoming FM H10-44 switcher (with cab overhang) will start this month with a target production release date of late Feb. 2010. Based on current pre-paid reservations, only 85 units will be produced, including those sold thru dealers (a dealer list is on my web site; see link below). Like the 70-tonner, this will also be limited-run, so if you miss out now . oh, well. The engine will be offered in scale/DC and hi-rail/DC configurations. The body will be a 1-pc urethane casting, probably incorporating the walkways and pilots. It is possible that the body/shell will be separate but only if that is a better option relative to how the mechanism is assembled. The mechanism will be combination of SHS wheels and my own design using a high-end can motor and slip couplings for maximum quality. Retail price is $375 for the scale version and $395 for hi-rail. A 50% deposit is required by 12/24 to guarantee your order, unless we make other arrangements. Check and MO are preferred but I will accept PayPal (just add 3.5% to the amount you send to cover their fee). Please contact me off-list to place an order and/or if you have questions. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57358	From: AlR	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Christmas Gondola inserts

For those who wish to view the Christmas Gondola inserts on Styrofoam - got to the Photos section of S-Trains group and sort by Album Name and find Christmas Gondola inserts - this will be on the 3rd page OR sort by Creator name and find Alsflyer - this will be on the 2nd page. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57359	From: Gary	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: TMCC ASC

Just hooked up a Accesory Switch Controller to my TMCC. I have a command base and data cable. I use power masters and power my old engines. The problem is I can't get the ASC to control. Is there a way to erase the memory of the ASC? I may have programed it wrong when I started. I did go back and try and program it again and I am removing the jumper when I program. To start with, I'm just trying to power a saw mill. Help!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57360	From: Matthew	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Searchlight Car Insulation?

The searchlight cars are hard at work this month lighting up the aluminum Christmas tree. One question, though: are there supposed to be insulating washers between the trucks and the body? One of them was sparking quite a bit until we cut out pieces of plastic and jammed them in, but if there is a real part that does that I would like to get some. How much disassembly is required to install them, if they exist? Thank you very much.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57361	From: michael prell	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Thanks, Tom! I appreciate the advice. They're like elephants. Nice to look at, but I wouldn't want to own one! LOL! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 10:24 AM   Hi Mike,                With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel.  The contacts in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up.  Unless you got a three rail set up, stick with the 350 S Gauge Royal Blues.  3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings.                                                            Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/4/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:27 PM   In the past when ever I thought about American Flyer, I always thought S-gauge. That changed about a year ago when I had the chance to bid on (didn't win) an old 1939 AC Gilbert Erector set which featured a Royal Blue engine. As I looked at the display, it suddenly dawned on me that there was no way a Flyer S-gauge could have been produced at that time. Then I looked for the coal tender and discovered that there wasn't one. How in heck did they power this thing? And that's when I discovered the truth. That Gilbert did, indeed, produce O-gauge. Since then I've seen several more Blue-O's and have been tempted to bid. But I don't think so. Nice as they are, I've got way too much S-track to start buying O-track now. Things are confusing enough! Great conversation, Folks! Aint history fascinating? Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57362	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/6/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57363	From: johntech	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Gondola inserts

Al The Christmas inserts look really great. All hand made?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "AlR" <alsflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas Gondola inserts > For those who wish to view the Christmas Gondola inserts on > Styrofoam - got to the Photos section of S-Trains group and sort by Album > Name and find Christmas Gondola inserts - this will be on the 3rd page OR > sort by Creator name and find Alsflyer - this will be on the 2nd page. > > Al > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57364	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Right On.         Tom --- On Sat, 12/5/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 6:44 PM   Thanks, Tom! I appreciate the advice. They're like elephants. Nice to look at, but I wouldn't want to own one! LOL! Mike Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 10:24 AM Hi Mike, With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel. The contacts in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up. Unless you got a three rail set up, stick with the 350 S Gauge Royal Blues. 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/4/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:27 PM In the past when ever I thought about American Flyer, I always thought S-gauge. That changed about a year ago when I had the chance to bid on (didn't win) an old 1939 AC Gilbert Erector set which featured a Royal Blue engine. As I looked at the display, it suddenly dawned on me that there was no way a Flyer S-gauge could have been produced at that time. Then I looked for the coal tender and discovered that there wasn't one. How in heck did they power this thing? And that's when I discovered the truth. That Gilbert did, indeed, produce O-gauge. Since then I've seen several more Blue-O's and have been tempted to bid. But I don't think so. Nice as they are, I've got way too much S-track to start buying O-track now. Things are confusing enough! Great conversation, Folks! Aint history fascinating? Mike Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57365	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/5/2009
Subject: Re: Searchlight Car Insulation?

Hi Mathew, � I stock insulation for Baldwins PA14A100.  This piece is large enough to cut an insulator for the searchlight cars.  To do the job correctly, you must remove the rivet and put the insulator in place along with the contact.  No one ever made reproductions of those parts. Tom Seccia � --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Matthew <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Searchlight Car Insulation? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 5:35 PM   The searchlight cars are hard at work this month lighting up the aluminum Christmas tree. One question, though: are there supposed to be insulating washers between the trucks and the body? One of them was sparking quite a bit until we cut out pieces of plastic and jammed them in, but if there is a real part that does that I would like to get some. How much disassembly is required to install them, if they exist? Thank you very much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57366	From: lember2004	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S

I have some AF O 3/16 on which the trucks have been converted to AF S trucks. I want to confirm I've "translated" wiring instruction correctly. If AF O 3/16 instructions call for running a wire to the "Center Rail" does that "translate" in 2 rail S to the non-Base post of a 690? And does "to Common" translate to "to the 690 Base post"? Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57367	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC ASC

When you remove the jumper and go through the program sequence it should replace your original ID. For simplicity set it at 1 and then connect your power source to the sawmill with terminal 1 and COM. Then to turn the sawmill off and on you press this sequence: ACC + 1 then AUX2 will act as a toggle to switch on and then off. It would help if you sent a diagram of how you have it wired. Remember it is only an on/off switch and you need to supply power to the saw mill from a separate transformer, as well as power to the switch itself. > >From: Gary <headlap2005@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 12:59:53 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC ASC > > > >> > >Just hooked up a Accesory Switch Controller to my TMCC. I have a command base and data cable. I use power masters and power my old engines. The problem is I can't get the ASC to control. Is there a way to erase the memory of the ASC? I may have programed it wrong when I started. I did go back and try and program it again and I am removing the jumper when I program. To start with, I'm just trying to power a saw mill. >>Help!!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57368	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: A good fined on Ebay...

Hi, I was just on ebay, and I think I found a sleeper. Check it out along with a bunch of goods there is a 346 in the pile...   http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Collectible-LOT-American-Flyer-Train-290-346_W0QQitemZ120500199813QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item1c0e5f2185#ht_3572wt_940  Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM   Hi Clayton,                      I completely agree with you.  At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me.    Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship.  Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks  Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO.  Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges.  I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those.                                                   Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM   I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57369	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...

Clayton, I think the cows is what make this the sleeper. LOL I hope you were not planning on bidding on this, as you now call the attention to the bid to everyone on the list. LOL Actually looks like a very nice lot. GO DUCKS! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... Hi, I was just on ebay, and I think I found a sleeper. Check it out along with a bunch of goods there is a 346 in the pile... http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Collectible-LOT-American-Flyer-Train-290-346_W0QQitemZ120500199813QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item1c0e5f2185#ht_3572wt_940 Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM Hi Clayton, I completely agree with you. At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me. Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship. Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO. Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges. I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57370	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Tom Seccia wrote: "With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel. The contacts are in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up." And: "3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings.". Not true, and not entirely true: (1) The 574 (0-8-0) of 1941, ALSO requires a tender, just like the common 565. (2) Yes, SOME of the prewar locos had bad castings (particularly - for some reason - the aforementioned 574) - but MANY, MANY others are just fine. I run 'em daily. So does Shiffy. The only loco type I do not (cannot yet) run is my 574. I'm (VERY SLOWLY) restoring two, one for display, one to run, from parts of about six. I MAY have to use the motor block from a 340-series (with spacers on the axles) on the runner. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57371	From: Gary	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC ASC

Wired it just like the book. 15V to comm, terminal 2 to saw mill and saw mill to ground. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > When you remove the jumper and go through the program sequence it should replace your original ID. For simplicity set it at 1 and then connect your power source to the sawmill with terminal 1 and COM. Then to turn the sawmill off and on you press this sequence: > > ACC + 1 then AUX2 will act as a toggle to switch on and then off. > > It would help if you sent a diagram of how you have it wired. Remember it is only an on/off switch and you need to supply power to the saw mill from a separate transformer, as well as power to the switch itself. > > > > >From: Gary <headlap2005@...> > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 12:59:53 PM > >Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC ASC > > > > > > >> > > > >Just hooked up a Accesory Switch Controller to my TMCC. I have a command base and data cable. I use power masters and power my old engines. The problem is I can't get the ASC to control. Is there a way to erase the memory of the ASC? I may have programed it wrong when I started. I did go back and try and program it again and I am removing the jumper when I program. To start with, I'm just trying to power a saw mill. > >>Help!!!! > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57372	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...

Mike, Is that like swimming??? Jim In a message dated 12/6/2009 10:11:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: GO DUCKS! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57373	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

For the past 2-3 years, I have been selling off the prewar AF collection of a significant former collector, on consignment for him. Part of my "compensation" was an ALL-original 574 0-8-0. He had pieced this engine together from parts of several other 574 engines, but the bottom line is that this 0-8-0 consists of totally original parts in excellent condition, AND more importantly, it runs! He claims that it is the only known 574 in running condition with no reproduction parts. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.....maybe someone else out there has one as well. However, it certainly is true that prewar 0-8-0 engines are notorious for bad frame castings, and rarely runnable without major work and reconstruction. <<<Yes, SOME of the prewar locos had bad castings (particularly - for some reason - the aforementioned 574) - but MANY, MANY others are just fine. I run 'em daily. So does Shiffy. The only loco type I do not (cannot yet) run is my 574. I'm (VERY SLOWLY) restoring two, one for display, one to run, from parts of about six. I MAY have to use the motor block from a 340-series (with spacers on the axles) on the runner.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57374	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...

Hi Clayton, � Good Deal.  The 346 is worth that price.  Bridge looks decent.  If the 346 has the speaker in the tender its worth big money. � Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 12/5/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 11:39 PM   Hi, I was just on ebay, and I think I found a sleeper. Check it out along with a bunch of goods there is a 346 in the pile... http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Collectible- LOT-American- Flyer-Train- 290-346_W0QQitem Z120500199813QQc mdZViewItemQQptZ Model_RR_ Trains?hash= item1c0e5f2185# ht_3572wt_ 940 Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM Hi Clayton, I completely agree with you. At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me. Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship. Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO. Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges. I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57375	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S

Hi Mark, 3 Rail Operation and 2 Rail Operation are like night and day.   If your 3/16" "O" cars were converted to "S" Gauge, you must run these on 2 rail track.  I'm not sure what cars that were converted had any power connections, but if some of these were action cars, you would have to use "S" action car trucks. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 12:53 AM   I have some AF O 3/16 on which the trucks have been converted to AF S trucks. I want to confirm I've "translated" wiring instruction correctly. If AF O 3/16 instructions call for running a wire to the "Center Rail" does that "translate" in 2 rail S to the non-Base post of a 690? And does "to Common" translate to "to the 690 Base post"? Thanks! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57376	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Dick, � I forgot about the 574.� As you noted, this was only made in 1941 and most likely the rarest of the 3/16" "O". Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:53 AM   Tom Seccia wrote: "With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel. The contacts are in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up." And: "3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings.". Not true, and not entirely true: (1) The 574 (0-8-0) of 1941, ALSO requires a tender, just like the common 565. (2) Yes, SOME of the prewar locos had bad castings (particularly - for some reason - the aforementioned 574) - but MANY, MANY others are just fine. I run 'em daily. So does Shiffy. The only loco type I do not (cannot yet) run is my 574. I'm (VERY SLOWLY) restoring two, one for display, one to run, from parts of about six. I MAY have to use the motor block from a 340-series (with spacers on the axles) on the runner. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57377	From: lember2004	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S

I've converted many AF O 3/16 cars to 2 rail S by changing trucks &, for illuminated and action cars, modifying the wiring [and using pick-up trucks where appropriate]. All work just fine on 2 rail tracks. My question in my post has to do with "translating" O 3/16 wiring instructions; to restate: "If AF O 3/16 instructions call for running a wire to the "Center Rail" does that "translate" in 2 rail S to the non-Base post of a 690? And does "to Common" translate to "to the 690 Base post"?" Thanks! Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > 3 Rail Operation and 2 Rail Operation are like night and day.   If your 3/16" "O" cars were converted to "S" Gauge, you must run these on 2 rail track.  I'm not sure what cars that were converted had any power connections, but if some of these were action cars, you would have to use "S" action car trucks. > Tom Seccia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57378	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Happy Hoildays everyone!!! I have a question...

I have a cast metal Hudson shell that has a bend portion (bent down) by the cab section. I would like to get this bent back into proper shape. I know cast is unforgiving (tried this once before and the part just broke off). I was thinking off heating the section with a torch and then trying to pressure it back into place. Has anyone ever tried this? Any other suggestions? Tha shell is very nice and I would hate to see it go to waste. Thank you all very much! All the best, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57379	From: Jim King	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: FM H10-44 deposit cutoff date moved to 1/15

At the request of a modeler who has reserved one of the upcoming H10-44's, I've agreed to move the 50% deposit cutoff date to 1/15 to allow folks to recover from the "Christmas buying crunch" and end of year bills, like property taxes. Please contact me off-list with questions, etc. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57380	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: TMCC ASC

Do you have any other TMCC item to verify the Command base it putting out a TMCC signal? I assume your power supply, when connected directly to the sawmill, makes it operate? I assume the operation sequence you are using with your wiring setup is ACC + 2 to activate terminal 2, then use just a press AUX2 to act as an on/off toggle Without something to look at and a volt meter I am out of ideas. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TMCC ASC Wired it just like the book. 15V to comm, terminal 2 to saw mill and saw mill to ground. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Mark Kiner <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > When you remove the jumper and go through the program sequence it should replace your original ID. For simplicity set it at 1 and then connect your power source to the sawmill with terminal 1 and COM. Then to turn the sawmill off and on you press this sequence: > > ACC + 1 then AUX2 will act as a toggle to switch on and then off. > > It would help if you sent a diagram of how you have it wired. Remember it is only an on/off switch and you need to supply power to the saw mill from a separate transformer, as well as power to the switch itself. > > > > >From: Gary <headlap2005@...> > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > >Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 12:59:53 PM > >Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC ASC > > > > > > >> > > > >Just hooked up a Accesory Switch Controller to my TMCC. I have a command base and data cable. I use power masters and power my old engines. The problem is I can't get the ASC to control. Is there a way to erase the memory of the ASC? I may have programed it wrong when I started. I did go back and try and program it again and I am removing the jumper when I program. To start with, I'm just trying to power a saw mill. > >>Help!!!! > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57381	From: Matthew	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Searchlight Car Insulation?

Thanks for the info, Tom. Now I'm leaning toward doing the job incorrectly. Could you just slide some electrical tape in there? Was there a washer originally that fell out or disintegrated? I don't want to make major repairs now that the tree is already up and the rivet removal is above my current skill level. Thanks again. Matthew Perks --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Mathew, >   I stock insulation for Baldwins PA14A100.  This piece is large enough to cut an insulator for the searchlight cars.  To do the job correctly, you must remove the rivet and put the insulator in place along with the contact.  No one ever made reproductions of those parts. > Tom Seccia >   > > --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Matthew <mkperks@...> wrote: > > From: Matthew <mkperks@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Searchlight Car Insulation? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 5:35 PM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > The searchlight cars are hard at work this month lighting up the aluminum Christmas tree. > > One question, though: are there supposed to be insulating washers between the trucks and the body? One of them was sparking quite a bit until we cut out pieces of plastic and jammed them in, but if there is a real part that does that I would like to get some. How much disassembly is required to install them, if they exist? > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57382	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...

Thanks Tom, and I was looking at all the items as well.   Claytron Oregon --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:41 AM   Hi Clayton,   Good Deal.  The 346 is worth that price.  Bridge looks decent.  If the 346 has the speaker in the tender its worth big money.   Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 12/5/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 11:39 PM   Hi, I was just on ebay, and I think I found a sleeper. Check it out along with a bunch of goods there is a 346 in the pile... http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Collectible- LOT-American- Flyer-Train- 290-346_W0QQitem Z120500199813QQc mdZViewItemQQptZ Model_RR_ Trains?hash= item1c0e5f2185# ht_3572wt_ 940 Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM Hi Clayton, I completely agree with you. At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me. Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship. Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO. Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges. I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57383	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Tom do you know when the 533 was made off hand?  Also what all came in the way of cars with this train too?  Clayton Oregon --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:51 AM   Hi Dick,   I forgot about the 574.  As you noted, this was only made in 1941 and most likely the rarest of the 3/16" "O". Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@citlink. net> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@citlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:53 AM   Tom Seccia wrote: "With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel. The contacts are in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up." And: "3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings.". Not true, and not entirely true: (1) The 574 (0-8-0) of 1941, ALSO requires a tender, just like the common 565. (2) Yes, SOME of the prewar locos had bad castings (particularly - for some reason - the aforementioned 574) - but MANY, MANY others are just fine. I run 'em daily. So does Shiffy. The only loco type I do not (cannot yet) run is my 574. I'm (VERY SLOWLY) restoring two, one for display, one to run, from parts of about six. I MAY have to use the motor block from a 340-series (with spacers on the axles) on the runner. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57384	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...

Only in this room Mike, and no I have a 346 in good shape. The way I see it for the bid of 200.00 that would be a sleeper on the last few days.  Clayton Oregon --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:09 AM   Clayton, I think the cows is what make this the sleeper. LOL I hope you were not planning on bidding on this, as you now call the attention to the bid to everyone on the list. LOL Actually looks like a very nice lot. GO DUCKS! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... Hi, I was just on ebay, and I think I found a sleeper. Check it out along with a bunch of goods there is a 346 in the pile... http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Collectible- LOT-American- Flyer-Train- 290-346_W0QQitem Z120500199813QQc mdZViewItemQQptZ Model_RR_ Trains?hash= item1c0e5f2185# ht_3572wt_ 940 Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM Hi Clayton, I completely agree with you. At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me. Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship. Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO. Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges. I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57385	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Hoildays everyone!!! I have a question...

Make that Happy Holidays!!! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> wrote: > > I have a cast metal Hudson shell that has a bend portion (bent down) by the cab section. I would like to get this bent back into proper shape. I know cast is unforgiving (tried this once before and the part just broke off). I was thinking off heating the section with a torch and then trying to pressure it back into place. Has anyone ever tried this? Any other suggestions? Tha shell is very nice and I would hate to see it go to waste. > > Thank you all very much! > All the best, > Rob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57386	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Happy Hoildays everyone!!!  I have a question...

I have not done this with a torch, and I don't think I'd recommend it. But I HAVE done it by immersing the bent portion in boiling water for about 20 minutes. Then remove and apply gentle but steady pressure. Repeat as necessary.......don't try to complete the entire bend in one shot. Whether it will work depends upon how badly deformed it is to begin with. <<< I was thinking off heating the section with a torch and then trying to pressure it back into place. Has anyone ever tried this? Any other suggestions? Tha shell is very nice and I would hate to see it go to waste.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57387	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: I have a question...un-bend damaged castings

I have used a heat gun to un-bend damaged castings. The more watts the better. Paint remover guns get the hottest but may remove some paint too. Heat shrink tubing guns might work on small casting parts. Slow steady pressure with repeated heating, bending a little at a time. Carl I was thinking off heating the section with a torch and then trying to pressure it back into place. Has anyone ever tried this? Any other suggestions? Tha shell is very nice and I would hate to see it go to waste [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57388	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/6/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 6, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57389	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Timonium add on.

At the show there was a z scale layout and they had a very nice baseball field on it. They had a backstop and the material was from wedding veil material. So now I have to get myself some wedding veil material from Joann's Fabrics. LOL I have been putting down ground foam in the industrial area and it is going down very nice. And I never done this before. S scale ladders are in, for the baseball lights and apple trees, and for the lineman getting a cat down from a telegraph pole. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57390	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} FM H10-44 deposit cutoff date moved to 1/15

Oh, geez, Jim, 1/15 is the deadline for 2009's fourth quarterly to the IRS. There is no good date when someone from the government doesn't want our money. Maybe 4/15? Oh, hell, here comes the IRS again. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim King Subject: {S-Scale List} FM H10-44 deposit cutoff date moved to 1/15 At the request of a modeler who has reserved one of the upcoming H10-44's, I've agreed to move the 50% deposit cutoff date to 1/15 to allow folks to recover from the "Christmas buying crunch" and end of year bills, like property taxes. Please contact me off-list with questions, etc. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57391	From: rep928	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: F-9 Repaired (I think)

The F-9 now runs fairly well, though I am skeptical for how long. I replaced parts where I could from junker Casey Jones and that really seemed to help. It still reflects the fact that is was very cheaply made. - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57392	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Timonium Greenberg Show.

Linda and I went to the Greenberg show in Timonium. Very busy, as we had a great time. Frank M. of Southern MD was there with his AF items, and so was Gary Clark and Laura from CT. It was good to see Gary, as I last saw him in April. I was able to get a very nice 21813 T&P engine, not the more common AFL one, for a set I needed to complete from 1958. The seller had inherited his Uncle collection, as he had trains as a kid too. What was great, he was out to move these trains and he took 27% off the Greenberg book, which I think is 690 as I got it for 500. Very nice piece and the two fragile decals on the cab are perfect. So he made 500 on something that was given to him and I saved 190 on a needed engine. Lunch at this show is the usual very good pit beef sandwich with a ton of meat on it for $7. A meal in itself. Next 3 days in Lancaster, as I deliver a dozen muffins made with Maine Wild Blueberry to Jim Lyle. O:)! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57393	From: Glenn	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: THE DUTCHWAY TRAIN SHOW

Here are scenes from the Dutchway Train Show on December 3, 2009. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57394	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: A good fined on Ebay...

Clayton, I am glad you knew I was kidding. And yes, if it stays at that price, I think the seller and buyer with be happy, but I think it will go up some more. Still it could be a nice deal for all in the end. Me? I got a nice bargain today at the Greenberg Show in Timonium, MD. A couple have been selling his trains, that he inherited from his uncle. I got a real nice 21813 Texas and Pacific, not the American Flyer line one, for 500, as he knew it listed at 690 in a Greenberg book, but he was not greedy, he was very happy to make 500 dollars on something that was given to him and I was very happy to get a great looking 21813 that I needed to complete that set. So, timing is everything, whether at a show or on Ebay. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... Only in this room Mike, and no I have a 346 in good shape. The way I see it for the bid of 200.00 that would be a sleeper on the last few days. Clayton Oregon --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:09 AM Clayton, I think the cows is what make this the sleeper. LOL I hope you were not planning on bidding on this, as you now call the attention to the bid to everyone on the list. LOL Actually looks like a very nice lot. GO DUCKS! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A good fined on Ebay... Hi, I was just on ebay, and I think I found a sleeper. Check it out along with a bunch of goods there is a 346 in the pile... http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Collectible- LOT-American- Flyer-Train- 290-346_W0QQitem Z120500199813QQc mdZViewItemQQptZ Model_RR_ Trains?hash= item1c0e5f2185# ht_3572wt_ 940 Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 8:58 AM Hi Clayton, I completely agree with you. At the York TCA show many people who bought "S" gauge parts also bought American Flyer 3/16" "O" Gauge parts and American Flyer HO parts from me. Since it was all made by Gilbert and Gilbert was the first to mass produce "S" gauge trains, there is a relationship. Those trains 572 Northern, 570 Hudson, 561 K5, 574 Switcher and 565 Atlantic are 3/16" Scale with "O" Gauge trucks Many of the parts are the same for "O", "S" & "HO. Many of those in this group collect two or three of the gauges. I don't think this would be the right price for questions on Chicago "O" Gauge Trains, because most of us in this group don't know anything about those. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/3/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:48 PM I have asked for help on "O" before, and it is American flyer too. Why not let them in, and if they get way to big for this group in here then they can spin off. I will be in the two AF groups then. Also most if not all of the AF OEM accessories for "S" are "O" gauge. Am I not right Boys? Clayton Oregon --- On Thu, 12/3/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:58 PM Have to agree with Stumpy, didn't "O" grow up to be "S" ??? Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:49:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@comcast. net writes: Yes, the name of the group is S-Trains, and that should be the focus. However, I seem to recall others asking questions about Flyer O, so why not let that continue? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57395	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays everyone!!! I have a question...

Thank you so much Carl and Doug! This is flat out the best place to find information for S-Scalers. I will try both methods and I will go slow. Thank you for your time! All the best!!! Rob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> wrote: > > I have a cast metal Hudson shell that has a bend portion (bent down) by the cab section. I would like to get this bent back into proper shape. I know cast is unforgiving (tried this once before and the part just broke off). I was thinking off heating the section with a torch and then trying to pressure it back into place. Has anyone ever tried this? Any other suggestions? Tha shell is very nice and I would hate to see it go to waste. > > Thank you all very much! > All the best, > Rob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57396	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S

Sorry, I have never really understood the term "base" as used by ACG, and do not know what a "690" is, other than assuming it is one of the postwar AF transformers? I'm GUESSING that "base" is [+] and "common" is [-]? I have NO 2-rail experience - but I do understand that polarity is more critical - as in the reverse loop situation. I also know that the [+] trucks, and some (all?) loco drivers need to be insulated. In any event, with 3-rail, I run the [+] to the center rail, if that helps you at all. By insulating one of the outer rails, it is possible to control accessories without affecting train operation. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57397	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Searchlight Car Insulation?

Hi Matthew, I wouldn't recommend it.  Without the rivet going through any type of insulator it will eventually fall out.  If your going to try and use electrical tape, I would suggest cutting something out of thin cardstock.  Good Luck. � Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Matthew <mkperks@...> wrote: From: Matthew <mkperks@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Searchlight Car Insulation? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 1:09 PM   Thanks for the info, Tom. Now I'm leaning toward doing the job incorrectly. Could you just slide some electrical tape in there? Was there a washer originally that fell out or disintegrated? I don't want to make major repairs now that the tree is already up and the rivet removal is above my current skill level. Thanks again. Matthew Perks --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Mathew, > I stock insulation for Baldwins PA14A100. This piece is large enough to cut an insulator for the searchlight cars. To do the job correctly, you must remove the rivet and put the insulator in place along with the contact. No one ever made reproductions of those parts. > Tom Seccia > > > --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Matthew <mkperks@... > wrote: > > From: Matthew <mkperks@... > > Subject: [S-Trains] Searchlight Car Insulation? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 5:35 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The searchlight cars are hard at work this month lighting up the aluminum Christmas tree. > > One question, though: are there supposed to be insulating washers between the trucks and the body? One of them was sparking quite a bit until we cut out pieces of plastic and jammed them in, but if there is a real part that does that I would like to get some. How much disassembly is required to install them, if they exist? > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57398	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Hoildays everyone!!! I have a question...

I have done it using an electric heat gun/paint stripper. Patience and non use of excessive force are the keys. Make sure that a good area is heated gently around the area you need to put the most heat on. Don't do it in a freezing cold room. Don't use an open gas torch. Again - patience - bend a little at a time. Good luck. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: colleenandrob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Happy Hoildays everyone!!! I have a question... I have a cast metal Hudson shell that has a bend portion (bent down) by the cab section. I would like to get this bent back into proper shape. I know cast is unforgiving (tried this once before and the part just broke off). I was thinking off heating the section with a torch and then trying to pressure it back into place. Has anyone ever tried this? Any other suggestions? Tha shell is very nice and I would hate to see it go to waste. Thank you all very much! All the best, Rob E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13850 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13850 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57399	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Hi Clayton, � 533 is a catalog number for a 534 Locomotive & Tender combination. that would be 1940. � Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 1:07 PM   Tom do you know when the 533 was made off hand? Also what all came in the way of cars with this train too? Clayton Oregon --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:51 AM Hi Dick, I forgot about the 574. As you noted, this was only made in 1941 and most likely the rarest of the 3/16" "O". Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@citlink. net> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@citlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:53 AM Â Tom Seccia wrote: "With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel. The contacts are in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up." And: "3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings.". Not true, and not entirely true: (1) The 574 (0-8-0) of 1941, ALSO requires a tender, just like the common 565. (2) Yes, SOME of the prewar locos had bad castings (particularly - for some reason - the aforementioned 574) - but MANY, MANY others are just fine. I run 'em daily. So does Shiffy. The only loco type I do not (cannot yet) run is my 574. I'm (VERY SLOWLY) restoring two, one for display, one to run, from parts of about six. I MAY have to use the motor block from a 340-series (with spacers on the axles) on the runner. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57400	From: rep928	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: F-9 Repaired (I think)

The F-9 now runs fairly well, though I am skeptical for how long. I replaced parts where I could from junker Casey Jones and that really seemed to help. It still reflects the fact that is was very cheaply made. - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57401	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: THE DUTCHWAY TRAIN SHOW

Glenn, You better have some pictures next week of Jim eating the Blueberry muffins, I am making for him next Saturday, made with , (plug) MAINE wild blueberries delivered fresh on State of Maine American Models Box Cars. I heard he is going to share them with others working the layout. Or he can sell them for a buck apiece. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: A/S-Trains Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] THE DUTCHWAY TRAIN SHOW Here are scenes from the Dutchway Train Show on December 3, 2009. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57402	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/6/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S

Hi Dick, � 3/16" "O" used a number 450 Track Terminal.  This terminal attached to the center rail on the three rail track.  Base post is the connection on the transformer.  A.C Gilberts "O" & "S Gauge transformers power connections were the same.  Base Post and center variable post.   I was getting a little confused by your messages. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 2:51 PM   Sorry, I have never really understood the term "base" as used by ACG, and do not know what a "690" is, other than assuming it is one of the postwar AF transformers? I'm GUESSING that "base" is [+] and "common" is [-]? I have NO 2-rail experience - but I do understand that polarity is more critical - as in the reverse loop situation. I also know that the [+] trucks, and some (all?) loco drivers need to be insulated. In any event, with 3-rail, I run the [+] to the center rail, if that helps you at all. By insulating one of the outer rails, it is possible to control accessories without affecting train operation. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57403	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S

Tom, Until very recently, I used a Lionel "Z" that came with my trains in 1941. On that, I connected either "A" or "B" post (variable voltage) to the center rail, and connected the "U" post to an outer rail. I now have a 22090 for the layout I am constructing. With that unit, I connect "Base" to an outer rail, and the variable voltage post to the center rail. I will use the fixed voltage post to power my 13 #688 turnouts, and the "Z" for accessories not wired to the track. Since the 22090 has two throttles, I have two master blocks - main, and yard. Sub-blocks (for sidings, a future turntable, etc.) will be controlled by toggle switches off either of the main blocks. It all seems to work. Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57404	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Blantent sales ad 300375264462

Finally after quite a while I am starting to get into stuff.... Going to sell duplicates.... Have a Union Pacific set up now 300375264462 on ebay... Will let anybody on this list have it for 1000 if they contact me before it gets bids... postage extra.... I still have 2 engines I pormised to 2 others... hope to find them soon.... Have boxes of extra stuff.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57405	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S

Hi Dick,                     If you're using 3 rail track with a 22090 you need to connect the base post on the transformer to the center rail if you want to maintain the option of using either side of the track for reverse loops and other three rail hook ups.                                                         Tom Seccia                                             --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: "Translating" AF O 3/16 wiring to 2-rail S To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:19 AM   Tom, Until very recently, I used a Lionel "Z" that came with my trains in 1941. On that, I connected either "A" or "B" post (variable voltage) to the center rail, and connected the "U" post to an outer rail. I now have a 22090 for the layout I am constructing. With that unit, I connect "Base" to an outer rail, and the variable voltage post to the center rail. I will use the fixed voltage post to power my 13 #688 turnouts, and the "Z" for accessories not wired to the track. Since the 22090 has two throttles, I have two master blocks - main, and yard. Sub-blocks (for sidings, a future turntable, etc.) will be controlled by toggle switches off either of the main blocks. It all seems to work. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57406	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Big Boy at dealers!

From the OGR forum... "This monster was well worth the wait! Fantastic details and it keeps with the AF S gauge look. It is the FIRST AF engine with Legacy. Box is on par with Lionel big engines, huge! Sorry, no pictures we are too busy here but we shipped them out already so expect someone to get them posted shortly. Charlie Nassau Hobby Center " Merry Christmas, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57407	From: valiantmike72	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: S-Helper Track with AF accessories

Hello All, I am begining to plan my layout and want to use S-Helper sectional track. I'm getting stuck on how to add my Animated Passenger Station, Stockyard, and 770 Loading Platform. Has anyone modified S-Helper track to work with these accessories? I know I could use transition pins and use old Flyer track, but I'd rather find a way to use the S-Helper track. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57408	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories

Valiant Mike, I have modified SHS track for both the stockyard and loading platform. see a couple of photos at http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Jim-Hannawald?page=2 Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: valiantmike72 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Track with AF accessories Hello All, I am begining to plan my layout and want to use S-Helper sectional track. I'm getting stuck on how to add my Animated Passenger Station, Stockyard, and 770 Loading Platform. Has anyone modified S-Helper track to work with these accessories? I know I could use transition pins and use old Flyer track, but I'd rather find a way to use the S-Helper track. Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57409	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories

I used S-Helper flex track and Cal roadbed on my modules.  Just had to trim down the roadbed.  Perhaps you could transition to it rather than to Gilbert track. However you do it, make sure to measure one half inch between the rail and the pickup rail on the accessory.  If you have them too close together, a Docksider (and possible other engines) will run up on the pickup rail.  I had to tear up and relay my first one! --- On Mon, 12/7/09, valiantmike72 <valiantmike72@...> wrote: From: valiantmike72 <valiantmike72@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Track with AF accessories To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:30 PM   Hello All, I am begining to plan my layout and want to use S-Helper sectional track. I'm getting stuck on how to add my Animated Passenger Station, Stockyard, and 770 Loading Platform. Has anyone modified S-Helper track to work with these accessories? I know I could use transition pins and use old Flyer track, but I'd rather find a way to use the S-Helper track. Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57410	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: 1954 K5363W Silver Rocket freight set for sale

Almost complete set, including paperwork.  Engines and cars are all C-6 to C-7; a real nice, clean set.  Has 6 extra curved track and 5 extra straight; all track needs a good cleaning - a few pieces have rust.  The set has a 629 stock car converted to knuckle couplers in place of the 913 that should be in the set.  All cars and uncoupler have original boxes; no envelopes for track locks or track terminal, no set box, and no engine wrappers.  I cleaned the wheels on both engines and greased the gears on the powered unit.  The engine runs and reverses reliably and the horn works great.  The lamp on the 646 floodlight car works and flickers less than most I've seen.  Pictures available on request.  I'm selling this for the heir of an estate.  Asking $600. If you'd like to see the cars in this set, there's a picture of my set on TheGilbertGallery.org:       http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/freight_trains.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57411	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories

I do not use S Helper Track, but I would think if you take a dermal and cut away the plastic road bed to fit, you should be fine. Measure, draw a line on the plastic and cut away. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: valiantmike72 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Track with AF accessories Hello All, I am begining to plan my layout and want to use S-Helper sectional track. I'm getting stuck on how to add my Animated Passenger Station, Stockyard, and 770 Loading Platform. Has anyone modified S-Helper track to work with these accessories? I know I could use transition pins and use old Flyer track, but I'd rather find a way to use the S-Helper track. Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57412	From: AlR	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.

Has anyone in this group found some inexpensive miniature screw-base LED lights that would replace the GE 1447 and 1449 lights in engines and passenger cars. The reduction of heat and better lighting could improve just about any of the AF engines and cars. If so, where and what cost? Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57413	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.

I have bought a bunch of E10 LED bulbs off of eBay from sellers in Hong Kong. They work and the price is good. Shipping is free and fast. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AlR Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains. Has anyone in this group found some inexpensive miniature screw-base LED lights that would replace the GE 1447 and 1449 lights in engines and passenger cars. The reduction of heat and better lighting could improve just about any of the AF engines and cars. If so, where and what cost? Al _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57414	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.

AlR wrote: > > Has anyone in this group found some inexpensive miniature screw-base LED > lights that would replace the GE 1447 and 1449 lights in engines and > passenger cars. The reduction of heat and better lighting could improve > just about any of the AF engines and cars. If so, where and what cost? > The first problem is LED lamps like DC, not AC. You could put a diode in series with the lamp socket and maybe use something like this: http://tinyurl.com/yd9ab5h I haven't tried it but the idea is interesting and the lamps only draw 20 milliamps at 13.8 volts so they would decrease the load on the transformer or power pack. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57415	From: hjsheffield	Date: 12/7/2009
Subject: Available cars and stuff

Anyone looking for the SHS Christmas engine or some of the recent cars by Christmas, email me off list at hjsheff@.... Lists of other S items also. Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57416	From: Matthew	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.

Here's exactly what you want: http://www.scottsodds-n-ends.com/LED_Lamps.htm --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > AlR wrote: > > > > > Has anyone in this group found some inexpensive miniature screw-base LED > > lights that would replace the GE 1447 and 1449 lights in engines and > > passenger cars. The reduction of heat and better lighting could improve > > just about any of the AF engines and cars. If so, where and what cost? > > > > The first problem is LED lamps like DC, not AC. You could put a diode > in series with the lamp socket and maybe use something like this: > > http://tinyurl.com/yd9ab5h > > I haven't tried it but the idea is interesting and the lamps only draw > 20 milliamps at 13.8 volts so they would decrease the load on the > transformer or power pack. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57417	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Thanks Tom.. --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 4:31 PM   Hi Clayton,   533 is a catalog number for a 534 Locomotive & Tender combination. that would be 1940.   Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 1:07 PM   Tom do you know when the 533 was made off hand? Also what all came in the way of cars with this train too? Clayton Oregon --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:51 AM Hi Dick, I forgot about the 574. As you noted, this was only made in 1941 and most likely the rarest of the 3/16" "O". Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@citlink. net> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@citlink. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:53 AM Â Tom Seccia wrote: "With the exception of the 565 Atlantic, 3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives got power the same as Lionel. The contacts are in the center of the locomotive, so you don't need a tender for electrical pick up." And: "3/16" "O" Gauge locomotives have very poor metal castings.". Not true, and not entirely true: (1) The 574 (0-8-0) of 1941, ALSO requires a tender, just like the common 565. (2) Yes, SOME of the prewar locos had bad castings (particularly - for some reason - the aforementioned 574) - but MANY, MANY others are just fine. I run 'em daily. So does Shiffy. The only loco type I do not (cannot yet) run is my 574. I'm (VERY SLOWLY) restoring two, one for display, one to run, from parts of about six. I MAY have to use the motor block from a 340-series (with spacers on the axles) on the runner. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57418	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.

Why is everyone so convinced that LEDs want DC and don't work on AC? I install them in AC powered locos all the time. All it takes is a 1/4 watt resistor of the proper value on the positive lead of the LED. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/07/2009 7:57:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gwcohn@... writes: AlR wrote: > > Has anyone in this group found some inexpensive miniature screw-base LED > lights that would replace the GE 1447 and 1449 lights in engines and > passenger cars. The reduction of heat and better lighting could improve > just about any of the AF engines and cars. If so, where and what cost? > The first problem is LED lamps like DC, not AC. You could put a diode in series with the lamp socket and maybe use something like this: _http://tinyurl.http://tiny_ (http://tinyurl.com/yd9ab5h) I haven't tried it but the idea is interesting and the lamps only draw 20 milliamps at 13.8 volts so they would decrease the load on the transformer or power pack. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57419	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Fw: your posting about AF 565s % 556s

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Art Shifrin <artshifrin@...> wrote: From: Art Shifrin <artshifrin@...> Subject: your posting about AF 565s % 556s To: trainsandhobbies@... Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:09 AM Hi Tom, The 574 also derives its power from its tender. Also, the generalization about 3/16sO engines having very poor metal castings should be clarified. It's my impression that perhaps even most (i.e. more than 50%) have some form of 'metal fatigue' (minor to heinous), but by sheer luck, some were made from hardy batches of components. My email sending address was recently (inadvertently) changed. I haven't yet gotten that corrected or modified my various Yahoo subscriptions, so I can't post directly to the list. Feel free to post this for me. Best Regards, Art Shifrin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57420	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: S-Helper Track with AF accessories

This is so simple you won't need a picture. Assuming you have mounted your S track to a wooden surface: Get a piece of code 100 HO gauge track. Harvest the rails. Place 2 flat head wood screws under where the action car rail will go. Cut the HO rail to the required length with ends bend down to provide the pickup shoe ramp. Adjust height of HO rail by adjusting screws. Solder HO rail to the wood screw heads. Also maintain horizontal distance from running rail while soldering to screw head. (Easy to adjust while iron is hot.) We have used this method on our club modules for years of trouble free operation. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57421	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.

http://www.towncountryhobbies.com/led.htm has replacement LEDs that work on AC for the common type bulbs we use. In quantities of 50 they are very reasonably priced. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Why is everyone so convinced that LEDs want DC and don't work on AC? I > install them in AC powered locos all the time. All it takes is a 1/4 watt > resistor of the proper value on the positive lead of the LED. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > In a message dated 12/07/2009 7:57:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > gwcohn@... writes: > > > > > AlR wrote: > > > > > Has anyone in this group found some inexpensive miniature screw-base LED > > lights that would replace the GE 1447 and 1449 lights in engines and > > passenger cars. The reduction of heat and better lighting could improve > > just about any of the AF engines and cars. If so, where and what cost? > > > > The first problem is LED lamps like DC, not AC. You could put a diode > in series with the lamp socket and maybe use something like this: > > _http://tinyurl.http://tiny_ (http://tinyurl.com/yd9ab5h) > > I haven't tried it but the idea is interesting and the lamps only draw > 20 milliamps at 13.8 volts so they would decrease the load on the > transformer or power pack. > > George Cohn > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57422	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Clayton, I have copies of the 1939/40/41 catalogs at the store, which is where my layout is, and can tell you (or anyone else interested) what was supposed to be in the various sets. The only thing that is unclear is the color of the diecast 521/524 Pullmans, which only came in green or Tuscan. I THINK they were ALL green until the "high-grade" K5 set came out. In any event, Tuscan cars are considerably scarcer. 1939 was 100% diecast. Some tinplate arrived in 1940, with more cars in 1941. The original diecast cars continued to EOP (1942) with no additions or subtractions from the line. The only diecast car to survive the war was the 508 hopper, then sold (with new trucks) as the 632. The Penn K5 came out in 1940. The K5 and B&O streamliner both came with two different wheel arrangements using the same castings, in 1940 only - the cheaper versions look a bit odd, and are fairly scarce. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57423	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Smitty the Brakeman

Is there a way to tell the difference between an original and a repo Smitty the Brakeman on the 970 and 25049 operating boxcars? Of the three I have, one of the Smittys coveralls and cap are a darker blue than the other two. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57424	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Apples

I was really disappointed with the Woodland Scenic loose apples, as they are just colored cake decorations, which is fine, but the color runs off when I spray them with matte medium, to create crates of them, per there directions. Woodland is giving me a credit for them on a future order. Very nice of them, as it was only 4 dollars, would cause them to go chapter 11 or even Chapter 7. So, someone said ball bearings, 4 mm. I think those are too big, as I found 100 2 mm for under 2 dollars but different steel grades so I asked someone off list for advice and here is how it went. LOL I just got a batch of S scale pigs and piglets. Mike I found 2mm metal balls, as when I keyed in ball bearings I got the whole thing. LOL Grade of steel. Does it matter for what I am doing? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ makes no difference, since you would be painting them. Do warn those S scale piglets not to bite into one. Mrs. Sindbad will serve roast piglet for Christmas dinner with a 2 mm steel apple in its mouth. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57425	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: The Far Side

Yesterday I received 30 Ertl dairy Cows, calves, Pigs and Piglets from a person on the S list who gave me a wonderful deal on them. I was informed by a train friend that now I have more animals than people on the layout, especially Cows. So, not this is the layout from The Far Side, as Gary Larson loves cows. Also while listening to a Firesign Theatre CD, "How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All", with the classic cover of John Lennon and Groucho Marx on it, they mentioned Erector Set. Probably a first in any recording in history. LOL Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...... Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57426	From: valiantmike72	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track with AF accessories

Thanks for all of the tips! Layout is still in the planning stages, but hope to start building the framework soon. Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I do not use S Helper Track, but I would think if you take a dermal and cut away the plastic road bed to fit, you should be fine. > > Measure, draw a line on the plastic and cut away. > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: valiantmike72 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Track with AF accessories > > > > Hello All, > I am begining to plan my layout and want to use S-Helper sectional track. > > I'm getting stuck on how to add my Animated Passenger Station, Stockyard, and 770 Loading Platform. Has anyone modified S-Helper track to work with these accessories? > > I know I could use transition pins and use old Flyer track, but I'd rather find a way to use the S-Helper track. > > Thanks! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57427	From: Bob	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update

There have been a number of new 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine subscribers added over the last couple of weeks (thank you all very much!), and there is a possibility that the upcoming Fall issue may sell out! If your subscription has expired and you've been meaning to send in your renewal, you should do so as soon as possible to avoid getting shut out. Remember, you can also subscribe online. I will begin all renewals received with the Fall, 2009 issue until they run out. Happy Holidays! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57428	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smitty the Brakeman

The rubber on the original Smitty is a little softer than repro figures. If you have a figure thats a darker blue than the others it is a repro.  One foot is sometimes not finished on some of the repros, but I've seen that on original Moe & Joe figures as well.   I have an original PA13A445 Smitty figure for $10.00.  It's a little dirty, but original.  If you need it for a 25049 Cookie Box Car it's worth it. � Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 12/8/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smitty the Brakeman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:45 AM   Is there a way to tell the difference between an original and a repo Smitty the Brakeman on the 970 and 25049 operating boxcars? Of the three I have, one of the Smittys coveralls and cap are a darker blue than the other two. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57429	From: michael prell	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smitty the Brakeman

Carbon Dating?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 12/8/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smitty the Brakeman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:45 AM   Is there a way to tell the difference between an original and a repo Smitty the Brakeman on the 970 and 25049 operating boxcars? Of the three I have, one of the Smittys coveralls and cap are a darker blue than the other two. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57430	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57431	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Miniature screw-base LED lights for model trains.

----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... Why is everyone so convinced that LEDs want DC and don't work on AC? . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response------- Someone even suggested adding a diode in series. Have some of us lost site of the fact that an LED is a Light Emitting DIODE ? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57432	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: S items

I have a friend who wants to sell the following S items as he and I do not know the value on these. I think he wants to sell them also. if you can help or want them, contact Bill at Bill9678@.... Thanks Mike The Lionel car is a regular catalog #24063 PRR box car overstamped with "TCA's Toy Train Museum Celebrates "S" Gauge April 15, 1993" which I bought from the museum in 1993. As you can see, the AM car is a kit but it was a special car as it was the NASG Convention souvenir car in 1990. It is catalog #7245. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57433	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Bob, Thanks for that idea!!! That might look better, as it would be more natural looking too. Oh oh, I never thought of having green apples at the produce market. I think I hear Che singing off key, "Little Green Apples". Now you all will have ear worms on this horrible song. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: zemouse2001 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57434	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side

There are undoubtedly more animals than people in beautiful Lancaster Co, PA. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 12:10:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I was informed by a train friend that now I have more animals than people on the layout, especially Cows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57435	From: Edward	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

...Hummm...Can one even see an S guage apple...?????????????....I got to figure that..mouse poop which occationaly shows up on layouts is bigger than an S gauge apple ...???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Thanks for that idea!!! > > That might look better, as it would be more natural looking too. > > Oh oh, I never thought of having green apples at the produce market. > > I think I hear Che singing off key, "Little Green Apples". Now you all will have ear worms on this horrible song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples > > > > Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57436	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Smitty the Brakeman

Curious as to whether any one has had the problem PVMR has with their Lionel re-pop Smitty. One of the trucks just fell apart the other day, looks like could only have been more cheaply done had they used chewing gum to put it together. Jim "I'll fix it" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57437	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: unwanted emails.

I am sorry to bring up this subject again, as many of you know why I am writing, as many of us get unwanted emails from a certain person in private. I have been fighting this problem for many years, as I even wanted to have this site made private, as I agree that is sad. But if you never have been bothered from someone for a long period of time, due to you being a member of a site, you will never understand why. HOWEVER, I have good news and it does not involve GEICO. Finally I contacted my provider, Verizon and we went to the Verizon webpage for my email, as that is where my emails come from before going to Outlook Express that I use. We where able to make his email address as spam and now when ever that specific email address comes to verizon, my provider, it deletes WITHOUT me seeing it like it did before by taking it to the delete box, as I still saw them there. I have not heard from this person almost a week. I just tested it with my own email address and it works! So, I have no problem with this site being public and if you need to block someone do what I did. Hopefully this will be the last time I have to write about this. I hope the above might be helpful to someone, as I thank you for letting me write about this. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57438	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Mike, I needed lots of 1/64 chickens a couple of years ago for my poultry car kit. Paul Yorke sent me a couple of Ertl chickens. I got some modelling clay from Hobby Lobby (can't remember the name of the clay) and made a mold of each side of a chicken. Then I stuck the molds in the oven to harden them. Then I put fresh modelling clay in each mold, carefully removed the half chicken and cooked them. Once hardened I glued them together, trimmed them where needed, my wife painted the details on and we had pretty nice looking chickens. You could do the same thing for your apples. Since then I've got a bunch of Ertl chickens but I still have my poultry car loaded with our homemade clay chicks! Of course apples are mostly round so you could just roll the clay around in your hand until you got the size you wanted and then cook them. That should give you a nice range of sizes cause all apples aren't the same - lol. And then you could paint bruises on them if you want to really get nit picky! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I was really disappointed with the Woodland Scenic loose apples, as they are just colored cake decorations, which is fine, but the color runs off when I spray them with matte medium, to create crates of them, per there directions. Woodland is giving me a credit for them on a future order. Very nice of them, as it was only 4 dollars, would cause them to go chapter 11 or even Chapter 7. > > So, someone said ball bearings, 4 mm. I think those are too big, as I found 100 2 mm for under 2 dollars but different steel grades so I asked someone off list for advice and here is how it went. LOL > > I just got a batch of S scale pigs and piglets. > > Mike > > I found 2mm metal balls, as when I keyed in ball bearings I got the whole thing. LOL > Grade of steel. Does it matter for what I am doing? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > makes no difference, since you would be painting them. > > Do warn those S scale piglets not to bite into one. > > Mrs. Sindbad will serve roast piglet for Christmas dinner with a 2 mm steel apple in its mouth. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57439	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: OBOY !!!!!!!!!

Well my CREDIT CARD JUST TOOK A BIG HIT!!!!!!!!!!! "BIG BOYS from Charles Ro!!!!!  ( 2 )   Guess they are on the way.... Merry Christmas to ME!!!!! Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57440	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Hee Hee Ed, that was great. yes, I do have Apple trees on the layout and you can see the apples. LOL We have no giant mice on my layout, but I always have a Cat Nip Rat on a S Scale flat car at Christmas under the tree. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples ...Hummm...Can one even see an S guage apple...?????????????....I got to figure that..mouse poop which occationaly shows up on layouts is bigger than an S gauge apple ...???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Thanks for that idea!!! > > That might look better, as it would be more natural looking too. > > Oh oh, I never thought of having green apples at the produce market. > > I think I hear Che singing off key, "Little Green Apples". Now you all will have ear worms on this horrible song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples > > > > Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57441	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side

That is why it smells so much in beautiful Lancaster and it is not from the Lancaster Barnstormers baseball team. Okay, now I upset Glenn, as I did last year. O:)! Just kidding Glenn. Lancaster is a very nice area as the aroma of Blueberry Muffins will be at the train display at Gap, PA this Saturday. No cows invited. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Far Side There are undoubtedly more animals than people in beautiful Lancaster Co, PA. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 12:10:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I was informed by a train friend that now I have more animals than people on the layout, especially Cows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57442	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Hi David, Thanks for that story about your chicks. Yes, I think molding clay from Michael's will be fine, as that is what I used to make the baseball pitching mound. Rolling little balls of clay should be no problem. I assume I would bake these at a low temperature like 200 degree for about a half hour. Higher temp might melt them. Now I could make S scale candy apples. LOL Thanks David. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples Mike, I needed lots of 1/64 chickens a couple of years ago for my poultry car kit. Paul Yorke sent me a couple of Ertl chickens. I got some modelling clay from Hobby Lobby (can't remember the name of the clay) and made a mold of each side of a chicken. Then I stuck the molds in the oven to harden them. Then I put fresh modelling clay in each mold, carefully removed the half chicken and cooked them. Once hardened I glued them together, trimmed them where needed, my wife painted the details on and we had pretty nice looking chickens. You could do the same thing for your apples. Since then I've got a bunch of Ertl chickens but I still have my poultry car loaded with our homemade clay chicks! Of course apples are mostly round so you could just roll the clay around in your hand until you got the size you wanted and then cook them. That should give you a nice range of sizes cause all apples aren't the same - lol. And then you could paint bruises on them if you want to really get nit picky! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I was really disappointed with the Woodland Scenic loose apples, as they are just colored cake decorations, which is fine, but the color runs off when I spray them with matte medium, to create crates of them, per there directions. Woodland is giving me a credit for them on a future order. Very nice of them, as it was only 4 dollars, would cause them to go chapter 11 or even Chapter 7. > > So, someone said ball bearings, 4 mm. I think those are too big, as I found 100 2 mm for under 2 dollars but different steel grades so I asked someone off list for advice and here is how it went. LOL > > I just got a batch of S scale pigs and piglets. > > Mike > > I found 2mm metal balls, as when I keyed in ball bearings I got the whole thing. LOL > Grade of steel. Does it matter for what I am doing? > ---------------------------------------------------------- > makes no difference, since you would be painting them. > > Do warn those S scale piglets not to bite into one. > > Mrs. Sindbad will serve roast piglet for Christmas dinner with a 2 mm steel apple in its mouth. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57443	From: michael prell	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Um, David? When you cooked the chickens, did they taste like snake? (:-)???   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 12/8/09, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 4:18 PM   Mike, I needed lots of 1/64 chickens a couple of years ago for my poultry car kit. Paul Yorke sent me a couple of Ertl chickens. I got some modelling clay from Hobby Lobby (can't remember the name of the clay) and made a mold of each side of a chicken. Then I stuck the molds in the oven to harden them. Then I put fresh modelling clay in each mold, carefully removed the half chicken and cooked them. Once hardened I glued them together, trimmed them where needed, my wife painted the details on and we had pretty nice looking chickens. You could do the same thing for your apples. Since then I've got a bunch of Ertl chickens but I still have my poultry car loaded with our homemade clay chicks! Of course apples are mostly round so you could just roll the clay around in your hand until you got the size you wanted and then cook them. That should give you a nice range of sizes cause all apples aren't the same - lol. And then you could paint bruises on them if you want to really get nit picky! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@.. .> wrote: > > I was really disappointed with the Woodland Scenic loose apples, as they are just colored cake decorations, which is fine, but the color runs off when I spray them with matte medium, to create crates of them, per there directions. Woodland is giving me a credit for them on a future order. Very nice of them, as it was only 4 dollars, would cause them to go chapter 11 or even Chapter 7. > > So, someone said ball bearings, 4 mm. I think those are too big, as I found 100 2 mm for under 2 dollars but different steel grades so I asked someone off list for advice and here is how it went. LOL > > I just got a batch of S scale pigs and piglets. > > Mike > > I found 2mm metal balls, as when I keyed in ball bearings I got the whole thing. LOL > Grade of steel. Does it matter for what I am doing? > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > makes no difference, since you would be painting them. > > Do warn those S scale piglets not to bite into one. > > Mrs. Sindbad will serve roast piglet for Christmas dinner with a 2 mm steel apple in its mouth. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57444	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: OBOY, OBOY

NOTICE OF SHIPMENT just came.... only a few more days.... Then I can compare the Big Boy with my full scale Brass one!!!!!! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57445	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: AF O scale 3 rail

Thanks Dick, I will keep that in mind.  I should post a photo of this 4-8-4 for all to see. This was a basket case when I picked it up. The wheels were rotting off the shafts, and it was as I said in parts. I looked for OEM drivers to put back on, and found some in great shape too, but it took years to fined all the parts so I could complete it.     Clayton Oregon --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: AF O scale 3 rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 7:42 AM   Clayton, I have copies of the 1939/40/41 catalogs at the store, which is where my layout is, and can tell you (or anyone else interested) what was supposed to be in the various sets. The only thing that is unclear is the color of the diecast 521/524 Pullmans, which only came in green or Tuscan. I THINK they were ALL green until the "high-grade" K5 set came out. In any event, Tuscan cars are considerably scarcer. 1939 was 100% diecast. Some tinplate arrived in 1940, with more cars in 1941. The original diecast cars continued to EOP (1942) with no additions or subtractions from the line. The only diecast car to survive the war was the 508 hopper, then sold (with new trucks) as the 632. The Penn K5 came out in 1940. The K5 and B&O streamliner both came with two different wheel arrangements using the same castings, in 1940 only - the cheaper versions look a bit odd, and are fairly scarce. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57446	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side

Mike, You will find the trains in PARADISE, PA, we moved out of Dutchway in the snowstorm Saturday evening. Layout is to be reassembled tomorrow AM. The location is "The Barn", soon to be called "PARADISE STATION". Closer to NTTM, SR, RRMPA, CCB, etc. I'll leave the light on. Jim In a message dated 12/8/2009 5:43:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: That is why it smells so much in beautiful Lancaster and it is not from the Lancaster Barnstormers baseball team. Okay, now I upset Glenn, as I did last year. O:)! Just kidding Glenn. Lancaster is a very nice area as the aroma of Blueberry Muffins will be at the train display at Gap, PA this Saturday. No cows invited. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Far Side There are undoubtedly more animals than people in beautiful Lancaster Co, PA. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 12:10:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I was informed by a train friend that now I have more animals than people on the layout, especially Cows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57447	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Maybe Mike can find some "Lancaster Co Road Apples" on his weekend visit. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 5:34:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: ...Hummm...Can one even see an S guage apple...?????????????....I got to figure that..mouse poop which occationaly shows up on layouts is bigger than an S gauge apple ...???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Thanks for that idea!!! > > That might look better, as it would be more natural looking too. > > Oh oh, I never thought of having green apples at the produce market. > > I think I hear Che singing off key, "Little Green Apples". Now you all will have ear worms on this horrible song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples > > > > Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57448	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: The Far Side

Jim, thanks for the information, as I would of gone to the Dutchway. We stay at the Best Western in Paradise. Wonderful Hotel. For years, the guy who plays Santa for the Strasburg RR stays here, as he and Mrs. Claus drive a car with NJ tags. this guy is the real thing, as I have never seen a more realistic Santa like him. So Santa lives in NJ, not the North Pole. Everything Happens in NJ it seems. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Far Side Mike, You will find the trains in PARADISE, PA, we moved out of Dutchway in the snowstorm Saturday evening. Layout is to be reassembled tomorrow AM. The location is "The Barn", soon to be called "PARADISE STATION". Closer to NTTM, SR, RRMPA, CCB, etc. I'll leave the light on. Jim In a message dated 12/8/2009 5:43:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: That is why it smells so much in beautiful Lancaster and it is not from the Lancaster Barnstormers baseball team. Okay, now I upset Glenn, as I did last year. O:)! Just kidding Glenn. Lancaster is a very nice area as the aroma of Blueberry Muffins will be at the train display at Gap, PA this Saturday. No cows invited. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Far Side There are undoubtedly more animals than people in beautiful Lancaster Co, PA. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 12:10:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I was informed by a train friend that now I have more animals than people on the layout, especially Cows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57449	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apples

Actually experimenting with some gray clay, I think that will work. Why the sudden departure from Dutchway? This does not sound good. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Apples Maybe Mike can find some "Lancaster Co Road Apples" on his weekend visit. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 5:34:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: ...Hummm...Can one even see an S guage apple...?????????????....I got to figure that..mouse poop which occationaly shows up on layouts is bigger than an S gauge apple ...???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Thanks for that idea!!! > > That might look better, as it would be more natural looking too. > > Oh oh, I never thought of having green apples at the produce market. > > I think I hear Che singing off key, "Little Green Apples". Now you all will have ear worms on this horrible song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples > > > > Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57450	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: DUTCHWAY????

DUTCHWAY is undergoing a front to back, end to end remodel. We were the first and ONLY use of the lobby for 2 1/2 months. NO ONE ELSE was allowed to set up anything because of the oncoming construction. The owner and the manager realized the smiles we get when we are there, and actually slowed the work in the lobby area to allow us to set up. We, in turn, cut our run by a week to show our appreciation and understanding. I was in the store Monday AM, won't be very long before the lobby is completely changed. The restaurant is MUCH larger, MORE buffets, more seating, private meeting areas, etc. Breakfast Buffet is EXCELLENT !! The store has been stretched at least 36 ft longer, LOTS still going on every day. Totally new display areas, DELI is new, Meat Dept is new, Dairy is new, etc. Think will be spring before everything is done. WISHING THEM WELL, THEY HAVE BEEN MOST KIND TO PVMR. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 8:54:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Actually experimenting with some gray clay, I think that will work. Why the sudden departure from Dutchway? This does not sound good. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Apples Maybe Mike can find some "Lancaster Co Road Apples" on his weekend visit. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 5:34:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: ...Hummm...Can one even see an S guage apple...?????????????....I got to figure that..mouse poop which occationaly shows up on layouts is bigger than an S gauge apple ...???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Thanks for that idea!!! > > That might look better, as it would be more natural looking too. > > Oh oh, I never thought of having green apples at the produce market. > > I think I hear Che singing off key, "Little Green Apples". Now you all will have ear worms on this horrible song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples > > > > Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57451	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Re: DUTCHWAY????

Thanks Jim for letting us know. Glad it was not something awful that happened. I am sure you will be back there next year. You all do a good thing for the community. Keep up the good work. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] DUTCHWAY???? DUTCHWAY is undergoing a front to back, end to end remodel. We were the first and ONLY use of the lobby for 2 1/2 months. NO ONE ELSE was allowed to set up anything because of the oncoming construction. The owner and the manager realized the smiles we get when we are there, and actually slowed the work in the lobby area to allow us to set up. We, in turn, cut our run by a week to show our appreciation and understanding. I was in the store Monday AM, won't be very long before the lobby is completely changed. The restaurant is MUCH larger, MORE buffets, more seating, private meeting areas, etc. Breakfast Buffet is EXCELLENT !! The store has been stretched at least 36 ft longer, LOTS still going on every day. Totally new display areas, DELI is new, Meat Dept is new, Dairy is new, etc. Think will be spring before everything is done. WISHING THEM WELL, THEY HAVE BEEN MOST KIND TO PVMR. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 8:54:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Actually experimenting with some gray clay, I think that will work. Why the sudden departure from Dutchway? This does not sound good. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Apples Maybe Mike can find some "Lancaster Co Road Apples" on his weekend visit. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/8/2009 5:34:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: ...Hummm...Can one even see an S guage apple...?????????????....I got to figure that..mouse poop which occationaly shows up on layouts is bigger than an S gauge apple ...???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Thanks for that idea!!! > > That might look better, as it would be more natural looking too. > > Oh oh, I never thought of having green apples at the produce market. > > I think I hear Che singing off key, "Little Green Apples". Now you all will have ear worms on this horrible song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apples > > > > Another possibility for 'apples' would be to use polymer clay (e.g. Sculpy or the like - purchased at Hobby Lobby and many other craft stores). You could use the pink (or green if you care) color directly. You 'fabricate' the little apples and then bake them in an oven. Might seem somewhat laborious but a nice job to do in front of the TV. > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57452	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Baking Clay

I searched Google and modeling clay bakes for 15 minutes at 275 degrees. I will be making 2 mm apples soon. Candied Clay Apples will go for 3.95. $CASH$ Only at Hugo's Produce Emporium. Soon Neil the Muffler Man will have his crate of Apples to hold. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57453	From: sscalemn	Date: 12/8/2009
Subject: Before and After Activities at the 2010 NASG Convention in Duluth ne

Here are some notes from Ken Zieska, who has been planning some railfanning and layout (scale, hirail and AF) activties in the Twin Cities before and after the 2010 NASG Convention in Duluth. As a convention site, Duluth offers some amazing opportunities that few cities can match. The convention schedule Wednesday through Saturday reflects that, beginning with the Iron Range tour on Wednesday and ending with the NASG 50th Anniversary celebration on Saturday night. We recognize that this schedule may stretch the time limits of what many participants can commit, but we are packing both ends of the convention with additional opportunities. Let's look at the calendar: the week prior is the NMRA 75th Anniversary Convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, just six short hours' drive east of the Twin Cities. The Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop is sending a team east to assist the NASG at the National Train show and to help bring the NASG National Train Show display to Duluth. The caravan from Milwaukee will arrive back in Minnesota Sunday night but Monday morning the NASG pre-convention fun begins. If you are going to be in Milwaukee, we'd like to see you shortly thereafter. Pre-Convention Layout Tours July 19-21 Monday is rail fan day! Beginning at 11:00 in the morning, Ken Zieska will lead a tour of the hot train watching spots in the Twin Cities area. The tour will focus on seeing great action without finding ourselves in trouble with Homeland Security for trespassing. We'll take advantage of the long hours of daylight by ending our tour on Ken's back deck where we can watch the Canadian Pacific mainline head west of Minneapolis en route to Canada and the west coast. We have enlisted a famous S Scaler known for his expertise with beer and brats as a menu consultant realizing that we will be hungry and thirsty after our busy day. As the hours of daylight slip away, Ken Zieska's Minnesota Heartland, and Dave Hamilton's Burlington River Route (HO and S) will be available for viewing and operation. A large and impressive Milwaukee Road layout (HO) is also expected to be available. The tour is informal; we will have cell phones so you can catch up with us any time you arrive in town. There is no tour bus - this will be a group outing. Tuesday will begin early, the hearty will travel to Minneapolis to catch the 6:10am Northstar Commuter Line for a fast trip up to Big Lake. We will take the return trip from Big Lake and arrive back in Minneapolis at 8:10 ready for another touring day. Tuesday's layout tours will include the renowned Twin City Model Railroad Museum (O scale), the layouts of Dave Aanerud (highrail), Terry Didion (highrail/tinplate), Steve Doyle (scale), Dave Hamilton (scale), Ron Kemp (highrail), Jeff Saine (highrail) and Ken Zieska (scale). Again to take advantage of the long days we enjoy here near the Arctic Circle we will close our day with a cookout on Steve Doyle's deck where we can watch the sunset over Lake Minnetonka and enjoy a pint in his antique Irish Pub, the Kinsale, conveniently located just feet from Steve's Burlington Lines railroad and the deck overlooking Lake Minnetonka. To assist in your tour planning a complete map and specific layout hours will be provided to convention participants as well as lodging suggestions if you would like to spend a night in the Twin Cities . Recognizing that not everyone will be able to be in Duluth on Tuesday night for the early Wednesday morning Iron Range tour, the Minnesota Transportation Museum's Jackson Street Roundhouse and the Twin City Model Railroad Museum will be available for touring Wednesday. Well meet up at the Roundhouse to form a caravan for the short trek up I-35 to Duluth where we will arrive in plenty of time to enjoy the Welcome reception in the famous Lake Superior Transportation Museum. Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday activities in the Twin Cities are not included in your convention registration, and there will be a nominal cost for meals on Monday and Tuesday evening, but creamy Guinness in an authentic Irish Pub.... priceless! While the tours themselves are self-guided (so you can establish your own schedule and transportation), your friendly tour guide is Ken Zieska mhry19@... . Post- Convention tour, July 25 Take a bit of time before you rush out of Minnesota as winter won't start again for a couple of weeks! The Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop layouts will be open Sunday, the 25th, from noon until 8:00 PM for your viewing pleasure. Maps will be in your registration packet to help you plan your tour schedule.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57454	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Big Boys are in

Dealers are receiving them in and shipping them out. Contact yours if you advance ordered one. I guess whether you did or not and want one. Could be some have spares on hand or will.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57455	From: michael prell	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: I Don't Think So!

Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu a 350) E-Bay item number 160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why?   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57456	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

and he notes - I believe the 353 had cast on hand rails. The conversion is probably a 350 "Royal Blue" repainted in Circus Train livery. Here is a link to an actual 353 auction: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6465207 Another on eBay: Auction No. 380186336605 Both show the cast handrails. Raleigh in Maine where the snow has turned t' Raine!... At 01:21 PM 12/9/2009, michael prell wrote: > Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu > a 350) E-Bay item number >160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? > >Break out the Katanas, Folks! >The inmates are running the institution!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57457	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

Well first of all, it has wire handrails, which the 353 didn't have, but they are unusual handrails with the short 90 degree downturn at the front. I understand there may have been one or two with handrails, according to Doyle, but this is probably not one of them. I assume the handrails must have been added, but why? I suppose it could have been a handrail-less 353 (or 350 for that matter), but then the cast in rails would have to have been removed, which makes no sense at all if it were a 353. It would be easier to fill in the extra holes not used if it had been a handrailed 350. If it had been a 350 with handrails, they would have gone straight along the boiler and there would have been the additional handrails at the front sides. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > > Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu a > 350) E-Bay item number > 160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57458	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

Didn't the 353 only come with cast handrails? Also, in the ebay listing, the tender is indented where the lettering is. Don't think any of the 353 tenders were that way. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > > Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu a 350) E-Bay item number > 160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? > >   > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57459	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in

I'd sure appreciate some pictures for TheGilbertGallery.org.  Please, somebody send me some!  Thanks. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boys are in To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:01 AM   Dealers are receiving them in and shipping them out. Contact yours if you advance ordered one. I guess whether you did or not and want one. Could be some have spares on hand or will. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57460	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

Hi Mike, � This could be a 353 restoration.  The wire boiler rails are for an Atlantic Locomotive.  The 350 had straight rails and boiler to pilot rails on the sides.  There were some 350's with just straight boiler rails.  I believe this to be a 353 and whoever restored this drill holes for those boiler rails.  A 1948 350 Royal Blue also used a separate trailing truck XA10078.  I got to tell that looks like a real good restoration.  Even put the yellow circles around the light. Tom Seccia � --- On Wed, 12/9/09, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:21 PM   Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu a 350) E-Bay item number 160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57461	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

Correct!  You win first prize.  Here's what the various different models all look like:      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Pacific3.html I have notified the seller. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> wrote: From: Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:21 AM   and he notes - I believe the 353 had cast on hand rails. The conversion is probably a 350 "Royal Blue" repainted in Circus Train livery. Here is a link to an actual 353 auction: http://www.liveauct ioneers.com/ item/6465207 Another on eBay: Auction No. 380186336605 Both show the cast handrails. Raleigh in Maine where the snow has turned t' Raine!... At 01:21 PM 12/9/2009, michael prell wrote: > Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu > a 350) E-Bay item number >160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? > >Break out the Katanas, Folks! >The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57462	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers at GTE this weekend

If you're anywhere near San Diego this weekend, come on down to the Del Mar Fairgrounds - it's definitely the place to be this weekend!  The San Diego S-Gaugers will be running our expanded layout at the Great Train Expo Saturday and Sunday.  Come in the big front doors, go down the central aisle, and you'll find us on the left near the back wall. The layout features our new railyard, locally designed and built trestle over the fishing creek, and four modules with a passing track full of Gilbert Operating Accessories and buildings. If you can't make it, pictures and videos will be on the club's website in the next week or two:      http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57463	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...

I was sorely disappointed today. My LHS called to tell me that my BB was in, so I dropped everything (so to speak), and told the owner that I was coming right out to pick up. When I arrived, the they were too busy to ring up my purchase! I understand about how hectic it is this time of year, and I am more than willing to wait my turn. But I did tell him that I was coming right out to pay and pick up, so I guess I thought that he might have it all rung up and ready to go. Heck of a note, (he said, using valuable band width to vent and rant), when a guy can¹t buy something even with hard, cold cash in hand... Roy, still Big-Boy-less in Lenexa, KS, Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57464	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

There have been a number of 353s with hand rails that have surfaced over the years, I have one in my collection. It looks identical to the early version of the 350 with hand rails. Mine is only in very good condition. I know that Mike Farner has one, Dennis Bagby and Bill Bramlige had one in their collections before they sold them. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! Correct! You win first prize. Here's what the various different models all look like: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Pacific3.html I have notified the seller. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> wrote: From: Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:21 AM and he notes - I believe the 353 had cast on hand rails. The conversion is probably a 350 "Royal Blue" repainted in Circus Train livery. Here is a link to an actual 353 auction: http://www.liveauct ioneers.com/ item/6465207 Another on eBay: Auction No. 380186336605 Both show the cast handrails. Raleigh in Maine where the snow has turned t' Raine!... At 01:21 PM 12/9/2009, michael prell wrote: > Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu > a 350) E-Bay item number >160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? > >Break out the Katanas, Folks! >The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57465	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

Hi Dale, � Those handrails are used on an Atlantic multi cast boiler.  I sell these as reproductions.  Whoever restored this may have drilled hole and put those type of boiler rails. The normal 556 or 1948 350 Royal Blues ave 4 rails 2 straight boiler rails and 2 Pilot to Bolier Rails which come in from the side.  The indented tender is most likely Pre War.  I didn't notice that when I looked on ebay.   I believe with all of these comments, we are playing a guessing game. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 6:01 PM   Well first of all, it has wire handrails, which the 353 didn't have, but they are unusual handrails with the short 90 degree downturn at the front. I understand there may have been one or two with handrails, according to Doyle, but this is probably not one of them. I assume the handrails must have been added, but why? I suppose it could have been a handrail-less 353 (or 350 for that matter), but then the cast in rails would have to have been removed, which makes no sense at all if it were a 353. It would be easier to fill in the extra holes not used if it had been a handrailed 350. If it had been a 350 with handrails, they would have gone straight along the boiler and there would have been the additional handrails at the front sides. Dale Smith michael prell wrote: > > > > Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu a > 350) E-Bay item number > 160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57466	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Seasonal Display in Flint Michigan Bus Station

Should you be anywhere near Flint, Michigan, check out the Department 56 and S Gauge train display at the Mass Transportation Authority's downtown transportation center. The photographs and not very revealing, but the write-up at http://www.mtaflint.org/index.html includes the statement "Two period S-gauge model passenger and freight trains run through the villages, including historical RR names that were seen in mid-Michigan during the 1940s. One train will be powered by a Pere Marquette steam locomotive, the other will be a streamlined New York Central train. " Track is all new SHS and the rolling stock is all new American Models. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57467	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...

What? Are you kidding me? They did not want to RING up your pre-ordered item? WHY? So you left without the item? What are you, chop liver, to borrow a expression. If you could get a Big Boy somewhere else, which I understand you cannot I would tell them to take a hike. I would not order anything else from them again. They wasted your time and auto expense in going down there. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boys are in-Disappointed... I was sorely disappointed today. My LHS called to tell me that my BB was in, so I dropped everything (so to speak), and told the owner that I was coming right out to pick up. When I arrived, the they were too busy to ring up my purchase! I understand about how hectic it is this time of year, and I am more than willing to wait my turn. But I did tell him that I was coming right out to pay and pick up, so I guess I thought that he might have it all rung up and ready to go. Heck of a note, (he said, using valuable band width to vent and rant), when a guy can¹t buy something even with hard, cold cash in hand... Roy, still Big-Boy-less in Lenexa, KS, Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57468	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

Hand rails In a message dated 12/09/2009 11:41:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlprell@... writes: 160384867554 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57469	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/9/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...

Sounds like the Motel episode I had in York..... They put me out on Thur am.... and wouldn't refund my money either.... So I went, at the last minute to the Billy Bud and they gave me a room.... The IDIOT who runs the Motel figured he could get a lot more money than I had paid for thursday and Friday NIGHTS!!!!!! The LHS sees the price going up and wants to make more!!!!! BTW.... Mine is now in TRANSIT from Ro according to FED EX.... Bob Conner --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boys are in-Disappointed... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:46 PM   What? Are you kidding me? They did not want to RING up your pre-ordered item? WHY? So you left without the item? What are you, chop liver, to borrow a expression. If you could get a Big Boy somewhere else, which I understand you cannot I would tell them to take a hike. I would not order anything else from them again. They wasted your time and auto expense in going down there. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boys are in-Disappointed. .. I was sorely disappointed today. My LHS called to tell me that my BB was in, so I dropped everything (so to speak), and told the owner that I was coming right out to pick up. When I arrived, the they were too busy to ring up my purchase! I understand about how hectic it is this time of year, and I am more than willing to wait my turn. But I did tell him that I was coming right out to pay and pick up, so I guess I thought that he might have it all rung up and ready to go. Heck of a note, (he said, using valuable band width to vent and rant), when a guy can¹t buy something even with hard, cold cash in hand... Roy, still Big-Boy-less in Lenexa, KS, Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos. net www.unionstationpho tos.com www.unionstationkc. blogspot. com www.fireeatingpress photographer. blogspot. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57470	From: frbpman	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed... I'm not!

Wow, sad to hear of an experience like that when the LHS keep bemoaning the fact that they can't attract business, Guess we know why some can't. However I am NOT!!!! Disappointed! I am glad to say that my LHS (well not exactly next door) Nicholas Smith Trains in Broomall, PA came through as always. They called me Tuesday to say the "monster" was in and what did I wish to do. Since it was going on plastic, I asked them to please ship it to me in NJ. No problem they said and voila, the 13 pound package was waiting for me Wednesday when I dragged the weary bones home from work. Boy oh boy oh boy what a beast. Can't wait to fire it up. Okay it won't impress the brass masters, but to me it was worth the wait and at first glance it appears that Lionel did alright by the AF name. How it performs waits to be seen. There goes the train budget. Happy holidays to all, Kenny Palmer --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > I was sorely disappointed today. > > My LHS called to tell me that my BB was in, so I dropped everything (so to > speak), and told the owner that I was coming right out to pick up. > (clipped)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57471	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...

Mike my dealer said they are sold out, and that he was only going to get one if that. I was push out on a list, and I am # three on that list to get one that some one else passes on. I know they are not to sell then over the price in the catalog, but there is money to be made on this one by jacking people around.  Clayton  Oregon --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boys are in-Disappointed... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 6:46 PM   What? Are you kidding me? They did not want to RING up your pre-ordered item? WHY? So you left without the item? What are you, chop liver, to borrow a expression. If you could get a Big Boy somewhere else, which I understand you cannot I would tell them to take a hike. I would not order anything else from them again. They wasted your time and auto expense in going down there. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boys are in-Disappointed. .. I was sorely disappointed today. My LHS called to tell me that my BB was in, so I dropped everything (so to speak), and told the owner that I was coming right out to pick up. When I arrived, the they were too busy to ring up my purchase! I understand about how hectic it is this time of year, and I am more than willing to wait my turn. But I did tell him that I was coming right out to pay and pick up, so I guess I thought that he might have it all rung up and ready to go. Heck of a note, (he said, using valuable band width to vent and rant), when a guy can¹t buy something even with hard, cold cash in hand... Roy, still Big-Boy-less in Lenexa, KS, Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos. net www.unionstationpho tos.com www.unionstationkc. blogspot. com www.fireeatingpress photographer. blogspot. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57472	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I BB disappointment update, just FYI

LHS owner called and apologized profusely at not being able to wait on me. As I reread my original post, it sounded as if I were angry, but I was mostly disappointed at not being able to pick it up. So, all is well, and I will get by later to pick up the BB. What is another couple days after almost, what, nearly two years? With holiday cheer :) Roy Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57473	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boys are in-Disappointed...

Yes, I left without the item. Not because I was impatient or miffed at having to wait in line. I had an appointment with other people waiting on me. I had incorrectly assumed that it would take no longer than 30 minutes at the LHS. Especially since I had made arrangements in advance, so I thought. My appointment was 16 miles away and when it got down to 20 minutes before my show up time, I had to leave. Sans BB. Roy Inman on 12/9/09 8:46 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > > > What? > > Are you kidding me? > > They did not want to RING up your pre-ordered item? > > WHY? So you left without the item? > > What are you, chop liver, to borrow a expression. > > If you could get a Big Boy somewhere else, which I understand you cannot I > would tell them to take a hike. > > I would not order anything else from them again. > > They wasted your time and auto expense in going down there. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roy Inman > To: S-trains > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boys are in-Disappointed... > > I was sorely disappointed today. > > My LHS called to tell me that my BB was in, so I dropped everything (so to > speak), and told the owner that I was coming right out to pick up. > > When I arrived, the they were too busy to ring up my purchase! > > I understand about how hectic it is this time of year, and I am more than > willing to wait my turn. But I did tell him that I was coming right out to > pay and pick up, so I guess I thought that he might have it all rung up and > ready to go. > > Heck of a note, (he said, using valuable band width to vent and rant), when > a guy can¹t buy something even with hard, cold cash in hand... > > Roy, still Big-Boy-less in Lenexa, KS, Inman > -- > Roy Inman > 913-541-1759 land line > 913-205-7143 cell > www.royinmanphotos.net > www.unionstationphotos.com > www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com > www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57474	From: Ben	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: 30 B reversing problem

Hi gang! Out of no where my one throttle controller will not reverse trains. When the "dead man's controller" is lifted and reset into its cradle,it apparently does not break the current or something because the train continues to run in the same direction. This was true for a Lionel LTI loco and two American Models locos. My 336 Northern is locked in forward so was obviously not affected. The other throttle post works fine. What would cause this? I am guessing it is an internal part in the transformer that has malfunctioned. One day it worked, the next day upon start up, it did not. Thanks for any insight! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57475	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I BB disappointment update, just FYI

I'm glad that all worked itself out. Usually the smal local guys will come through in the end. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:42:12 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I BB disappointment update, just FYI LHS owner called and apologized profusely at not being able to wait on me. As I reread my original post, it sounded as if I were angry, but I was mostly disappointed at not being able to pick it up. So, all is well, and I will get by later to pick up the BB. What is another couple days after almost, what, nearly two years? With holiday cheer :) Roy Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57476	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem

Hi Ben, Check the other throttle. Be sure that the tracks are not connected across the boundary of your two blocks. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:38 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 30 B reversing problem Hi gang! Out of no where my one throttle controller will not reverse trains. When the "dead man's controller" is lifted and reset into its cradle,it apparently does not break the current or something because the train continues to run in the same direction. This was true for a Lionel LTI loco and two American Models locos. My 336 Northern is locked in forward so was obviously not affected. The other throttle post works fine. What would cause this? I am guessing it is an internal part in the transformer that has malfunctioned. One day it worked, the next day upon start up, it did not. Thanks for any insight! Ben _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57477	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST

I have a dealer table at a local train show on Saturday where I will off some surplus S gauge items for sale. There will be quite a bit of surplus AF rubber roadbed and track. Most of the rubber roadbed is clean and in very nice condition. The condition of the track varies somewhat but most of it is in pretty good shape too. I wonder if any of you can give an opinion of how I should price this. I do not want to give it away but I also do not want to price it so high that it is not competitively priced. In other words, I would like to get rid of as much of it as possible. Other surplus items include a complete set of the S FEST heavyweight passenger cars, minus trucks. I am also wondering on how to price it. Any help would be appreciated. THANKS - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57478	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem

Sounds like a spring has given up. I'll check the manual, there is some kind of spring action. Jim In a message dated 12/10/2009 9:50:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: What would cause this? I am guessing it is an internal part in the transformer that has malfunctioned. One day it worked, the next day upon start up, it did not. Thanks for any insight! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57479	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Big Boys are in!

Hi all, Just checked on my order, and it is in the shipping room! probably a week away from being here!! Oh Boy O Big Boy, Herk!!! I also ordered a K-Line Ford Factory and Ford water tower. The factory looks a lot like the original Ford Piquette factory (which is now preserved and a museum--saved from being torn down for a parking lot! ) Where the model T was concieved, and first built--also the site of the first moving assembly line! Here's their website--all done by individuals, not the government! http://www.tplex.org/ So, when I saw this the K-Line items in an add, I thought I would get one sometime--turns out, they are in short supply too, so what the heck, it's Christmas, right?? I can pay off something else later. . . . . (hey, congress does it, why not me??) Speaking of spending, I gotta go to work--later dudes!!! OH, I'll likely miss Chat again this Sunday, y'all have a great time (think I'll be working the "Men of Worth" celtic concert that evening). S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57480	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I BB disappointment update, just FYI

Roy, I do realize that you where just disappointed that you could not get waited on to pick up the item, as you called them. Still, I think it is sad that you had to leave without it. I am glad they called you later about it. That does show they are concern on what happen. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I BB disappointment update, just FYI LHS owner called and apologized profusely at not being able to wait on me. As I reread my original post, it sounded as if I were angry, but I was mostly disappointed at not being able to pick it up. So, all is well, and I will get by later to pick up the BB. What is another couple days after almost, what, nearly two years? With holiday cheer :) Roy Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57481	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Big Boy is on the layout!

It arrived a few minutes ago. The box is huge! I ran it for a few laps and it is way cool. Amazingly not much overhang. I did not wipe out nay signal bridges. Puffing fan driven smoke and awesome sound system. There are a few minor things I wish they would have changed like the trailing truck casting to the correct width for S gauge and the tender could be retooled narrower and it would look more scale. But I am not complaining.. I will post pics and maybe a video later ASAP. Chugga Chugga Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57482	From: george leidinger	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

I spoke you on the phone George Leidinger send info a AF repair book --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 5:06 PM   Hi Mike,   This could be a 353 restoration.  The wire boiler rails are for an Atlantic Locomotive.  The 350 had straight rails and boiler to pilot rails on the sides.  There were some 350's with just straight boiler rails.  I believe this to be a 353 and whoever restored this drill holes for those boiler rails.  A 1948 350 Royal Blue also used a separate trailing truck XA10078.  I got to tell that looks like a real good restoration.  Even put the yellow circles around the light. Tom Seccia   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:21 PM   Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu a 350) E-Bay item number 160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57483	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem

I thought that the dead-mans throttle didn't actually go to 0 volts when lifted - it just dropped the voltage below the engine starting voltage - only the reset button sends it to zero - but why does the other one work??? Oh well! Seems I remember something like that reported here many moons ago. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) WJJIM@... wrote: > > > Sounds like a spring has given up. I'll check the manual, there is some > kind of spring action. > > Jim > > > In a message dated 12/10/2009 9:50:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lbstiles@... <mailto:lbstiles%40verizon.net> writes: > > What would cause this? I am guessing it is an internal part in the > transformer that has malfunctioned. One day it worked, the next day > upon start up, > it did not. > > Thanks for any insight! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57484	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem

Flyer voltage normally drops to around 7, too low to start the old motors, NOT low enough to stop a can motor. I have at least one 18B with the same issue, relegated to "shore" power for accessories. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/10/2009 4:03:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, velapoldi@... writes: I thought that the dead-mans throttle didn't actually go to 0 volts when lifted - it just dropped the voltage below the engine starting voltage - only the reset button sends it to zero - but why does the other one work??? Oh well! Seems I remember something like that reported here many moons ago. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) WJJIM@... wrote: > > > Sounds like a spring has given up. I'll check the manual, there is some > kind of spring action. > > Jim > > > In a message dated 12/10/2009 9:50:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lbstiles@... <mailto:lbstiles%40verizon.net> writes: > > What would cause this? I am guessing it is an internal part in the > transformer that has malfunctioned. One day it worked, the next day > upon start up, > it did not. > > Thanks for any insight! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57485	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem

The way my 30B works is as follows: When the dead-mans throttle is in the seated position, the voltage is 5 volts when the throttle pointer is at the zero mph mark. If the dead-mans throttle is lifted, the voltage goes to zero. This is the way I believe it is supposed to work. It allows you to stop the engine with the dead-mans throttle in the seated position and not have the reversing unit cycle. If you lift the dead-mans throttle, the voltage goes to zero and the reversing unit will cycle. This is how it works with the older Gilbert American Flyer engines. As someone else stated, on some of the can motors, when the dead-mans throttle is seated and the pointer is at zero mph, the engine may not come to a stop because of the five volts going to the track. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > I thought that the dead-mans throttle didn't actually go to 0 volts when > lifted - it just dropped the voltage below the engine starting voltage - > only the reset button sends it to zero - but why does the other one > work??? Oh well! Seems I remember something like that reported here > many moons ago. > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > WJJIM@... wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like a spring has given up. I'll check the manual, there is some > > kind of spring action. > > > > Jim > > > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2009 9:50:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > lbstiles@... <mailto:lbstiles%40verizon.net> writes: > > > > What would cause this? I am guessing it is an internal part in the > > transformer that has malfunctioned. One day it worked, the next day > > upon start up, > > it did not. > > > > Thanks for any insight! Ben > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57486	From: Bruce	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-

Earl, Gilbert manufactured straight rubber roadbed in excellent condition should go for about $3.00 each. Curved for $2.00 each. Straight track in excellent condition (no rust) should go for about $1.50-$2.00 each and curved track for $1.00 each. So, if the track is mounted on rubber roadbed, and both are in excellent condition, you should expect to get $4.50 to $5.00 for each straight set and about $3.00 for each curved set, in my opinion. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: tennsgauge@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST pass cars? I have a dealer table at a local train show on Saturday where I will off some surplus S gauge items for sale. There will be quite a bit of surplus AF rubber roadbed and track. Most of the rubber roadbed is clean and in very nice condition. The condition of the track varies somewhat but most of it is in pretty good shape too. I wonder if any of you can give an opinion of how I should price this. I do not want to give it away but I also do not want to price it so high that it is not competitively priced. In other words, I would like to get rid of as much of it as possible. Other surplus items include a complete set of the S FEST heavyweight passenger cars, minus trucks. I am also wondering on how to price it. Any help would be appreciated. THANKS - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57487	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: BIGBOY!!!

Some shots are being posted on YouTube under Cartrain1.Had to adjust the wheel spacing on the tender to run on code 148 track on the Miami Vally S Gaugers layout. Club layout & others are set up at the Fine Arts Center in Eaton Oh. We are open Sat 12th , then the 18th,19th,20th & Sat evening the 26th. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57488	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: I Don't Think So!

Hi George, � Parts & Service Book includes Triple "S" Supplies catalog. 200 pages.. Spiral Bound for the work bench.   Includes repair views that are not in the K-line book.  Exploded views of passenger cars, freight cars and locomotives that are not in the K-Line book. 23 pages of repair instructions. 143 Pages of exploded views and views of locmotives, diesels, accessories, freight cars and passenger cars. 50 wiring diagrams for HO & S locomotives & diesels and accessories.  Packed with information for A.C. Gilbert collectors and operators HO-O-S Gauge.  $24.95 plus $2.95 S&H via Media Mail.  Any questions please email me seccia@.... Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/10/09, george leidinger <smoothsoul2003@...> wrote: From: george leidinger <smoothsoul2003@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 3:58 PM   I spoke you on the phone George Leidinger send info a AF repair book --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 5:06 PM Hi Mike, This could be a 353 restoration. The wire boiler rails are for an Atlantic Locomotive. The 350 had straight rails and boiler to pilot rails on the sides. There were some 350's with just straight boiler rails. I believe this to be a 353 and whoever restored this drill holes for those boiler rails. A 1948 350 Royal Blue also used a separate trailing truck XA10078. I got to tell that looks like a real good restoration. Even put the yellow circles around the light. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/9/09, michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] I Don't Think So! To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:21 PM  Although it is a beautiful restoration, (if it were not actuallu a 350) E-Bay item number 160384867554 is not a 353! Take a look and tell me why? Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57489	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Lancaster, PA

Tomorrow we leave for 3 days of train doings in Lancaster, PA, as we do this annually. We never get tired of doing this. I will bringing Jim Lyle a dozen freshly bake Muffins, that I baked, made with Maine wild Blueberries. Who cares about the arrival of this Lionel AF Big Boy engine when you can get a dozen blueberry muffins instead. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57490	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Big Boy Photos

Here are some shots of the new Big Boy on the layout. http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57491	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA

WHAT I'm thinking. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/10/2009 8:45:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Who cares about the arrival of this Lionel AF Big Boy engine when you can get a dozen blueberry muffins instead. LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57492	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos

Wow! That's somethin'. Nice photos Carl. Rick On Dec 10, 2009, at 5:46 PM, <carl@...> wrote: > Here are some shots of the new Big Boy on the layout. > > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm > > Carl > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57493	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/10/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-

I agree on the suggested values stated, if we are talking about black wide-tie roadbed. My experience has been that the narrow-tie or gray roadbed brings a little less. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Earl, > > Gilbert manufactured straight rubber roadbed in excellent condition should go for about $3.00 each. Curved for $2.00 each. Straight track in excellent condition (no rust) should go for about $1.50-$2.00 each and curved track for $1.00 each. > > So, if the track is mounted on rubber roadbed, and both are in excellent condition, you should expect to get $4.50 to $5.00 for each straight set and about $3.00 for each curved set, in my opinion. > > Bruce > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tennsgauge@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:12 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST pass cars? > > > > I have a dealer table at a local train show on Saturday where I will off > some surplus S gauge items for sale. There will be quite a bit of surplus > AF rubber roadbed and track. Most of the rubber roadbed is clean and in > very nice condition. The condition of the track varies somewhat but most of > it is in pretty good shape too. I wonder if any of you can give an opinion > of how I should price this. I do not want to give it away but I also do > not want to price it so high that it is not competitively priced. In other > words, I would like to get rid of as much of it as possible. > > Other surplus items include a complete set of the S FEST heavyweight > passenger cars, minus trucks. I am also wondering on how to price it. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > THANKS - Earl Henry, Nashville > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57494	From: Bruce	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-

That's an interesting thought, although none of the guides that I have ever seen have differentiated between wide and narrow tie, or gray vs. black roadbed, as far as value is concerned. It would seem to me that gray roadbed would have greater value, as I believe it was produced in much less quantities than the black roadbed. Still, an interesting take on the different variations of roadbed. I do agree with you, in that I prefer the wide tie variation as the ties on the roadbed have the same dimension as the steel ties attached to the track. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertguy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST pass cars? I agree on the suggested values stated, if we are talking about black wide-tie roadbed. My experience has been that the narrow-tie or gray roadbed brings a little less. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Earl, > > Gilbert manufactured straight rubber roadbed in excellent condition should go for about $3.00 each. Curved for $2.00 each. Straight track in excellent condition (no rust) should go for about $1.50-$2.00 each and curved track for $1.00 each. > > So, if the track is mounted on rubber roadbed, and both are in excellent condition, you should expect to get $4.50 to $5.00 for each straight set and about $3.00 for each curved set, in my opinion. > > Bruce > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tennsgauge@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:12 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST pass cars? > > > > I have a dealer table at a local train show on Saturday where I will off > some surplus S gauge items for sale. There will be quite a bit of surplus > AF rubber roadbed and track. Most of the rubber roadbed is clean and in > very nice condition. The condition of the track varies somewhat but most of > it is in pretty good shape too. I wonder if any of you can give an opinion > of how I should price this. I do not want to give it away but I also do > not want to price it so high that it is not competitively priced. In other > words, I would like to get rid of as much of it as possible. > > Other surplus items include a complete set of the S FEST heavyweight > passenger cars, minus trucks. I am also wondering on how to price it. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > THANKS - Earl Henry, Nashville > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57495	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-

As far as Road bed is concerned, when I bought mine some years ago ( about 15 yrs ) I paid about $ 4.00 for Straights and $2.00 for curved. I think I paid roughly $ 2 - 3.00 for Straight tracks and $ 1 - 2.00 for curves These were for clean pieces Rich ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 10:03:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST pass cars? I agree on the suggested values stated, if we are talking about black wide-tie roadbed. My experience has been that the narrow-tie or gray roadbed brings a little less. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@.. .> wrote: > > > Earl, > > Gilbert manufactured straight rubber roadbed in excellent condition should go for about $3.00 each. Curved for $2.00 each. Straight track in excellent condition (no rust) should go for about $1.50-$2.00 each and curved track for $1.00 each. > > So, if the track is mounted on rubber roadbed, and both are in excellent condition, you should expect to get $4.50 to $5.00 for each straight set and about $3.00 for each curved set, in my opinion. > > Bruce > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tennsgauge@. .. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:12 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-FEST pass cars? > > > > I have a dealer table at a local train show on Saturday where I will off > some surplus S gauge items for sale. There will be quite a bit of surplus > AF rubber roadbed and track. Most of the rubber roadbed is clean and in > very nice condition. The condition of the track varies somewhat but most of > it is in pretty good shape too. I wonder if any of you can give an opinion > of how I should price this. I do not want to give it away but I also do > not want to price it so high that it is not competitively priced. In other > words, I would like to get rid of as much of it as possible. > > Other surplus items include a complete set of the S FEST heavyweight > passenger cars, minus trucks. I am also wondering on how to price it. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > THANKS - Earl Henry, Nashville > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57496	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains

Maybe I should have waited for a "slow newsday" to make this announcement, lest it get buried beneath the jubilation at the arrival of the Big Boy, but instead I will test your tolerance for things Flyer, but not S. You have already put out the welcome mat for 3 rail Flyer, so please welcome also its little brother, Gilbert American Flyer HO. Today I am announcing a new website, which can be found at http://gilbertafho.home.att.net I have also registered the domain name, www.gilbertho.org and hopefully the forwarding will take effect soon so that you can reach it through that address also. The website is an illustrated database of Gilbert American Flyer HO that was developed from the catalogs. The index covers everything HO that is covered in the catalogs on MyFlyerTrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org>, complete with links to the relevant catalog pages on that website. It covers all cataloged sets and their contents, as well as the items that were offered for separate sale. The illustrations on the website are courtesy of Chuck Harrington and MyFlyerTrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org>, who helped make this site possible. Check it out and pretty soon you will know as much about American Flyer HO as you do about S. One thing that will probably strike you is the symmetry between the two lines. Most everything in the HO line has its S gauge counterpart. I hope you enjoy the website. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57497	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track? & S-

gilbert's wrote: > > I agree on the suggested values stated, if we are talking about black > wide-tie roadbed. My experience has been that the narrow-tie or gray > roadbed brings a little less. Here's a tip for making gray or badly faded or stained roadbed look like new. Wash it thoroughly with dish detergent and water, rinse and let dry. Then go to a good auto paint store and get some SEM brand vinyl paint. It comes in aerosols and some stores carry it in quarts that you put in your own spray gun. It is made for recoloring vinyl upholstery but it does a fantastic job of making ugly roadbed look like new. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57498	From: Ben	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA

Mike- The Iron Horse Inn is within walking distance of my house! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Heading again, for the annual Christmas trip to Lancaster and Strasburg, PA, where the TCA museum is. > > Staying at the Best Western in Paradise, as we stay there last year and the hotel is wonderful. Quiet and comfortable for 80 a night, as we have dinner reservation for the Tavern at the hotel and two dinners at the Iron Horse Inn, that is always wonderful, even with the new owners, as they advertise in the TCA quarterly. > > Hope to see Bob Board again and his S Gauge Layout, 880 square feet. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57499	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: New Layout Video

Hi All, I know this doesn't compete with the Big Boy, but here is a video of two trains running on my under construction layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVPBzNNMUlc Now I need to improve the lighting before making any more videos. I hope you enjoy the video! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57500	From: Ben	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA

Mike- Look me up if you'd like to see my S gauge layout/collection as well as the prewar 3/16" AF, Marx, and Standard Gauge (MTH) around the Christmas trees. Let me know if you can fit in a visit...you are most welcome with or without muffins. Ben Stiles 04-57201, Strasburg, PA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Tomorrow we leave for 3 days of train doings in Lancaster, PA, as we do this annually. > > We never get tired of doing this. > > I will bringing Jim Lyle a dozen freshly bake Muffins, that I baked, made with Maine wild Blueberries. > > Who cares about the arrival of this Lionel AF Big Boy engine when you can get a dozen blueberry muffins instead. LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57501	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos

Great shots, Carl! it's out of the budget this year. Maybe, just maybe, next year. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57502	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: 30 B reversing problem

The spring arm that the roller is attached to is not lifting off of the windings.Just remove the top of the transformer and check,might be as simple as adjusting the tension. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 30 B reversing problem Hi gang! Out of no where my one throttle controller will not reverse trains. When the "dead man's controller" is lifted and reset into its cradle,it apparently does not break the current or something because the train continues to run in the same direction. This was true for a Lionel LTI loco and two American Models locos. My 336 Northern is locked in forward so was obviously not affected. The other throttle post works fine. What would cause this? I am guessing it is an internal part in the transformer that has malfunctioned. One day it worked, the next day upon start up, it did not. Thanks for any insight! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57503	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA

Ben, That used to one of our favorite places to eat in Lancaster. New owners came in and it has not been the same for us since. Olde Greenfield Inn is still a favorite, as we are going there Saturday night. The Best Western, the Revere Inn Restaurant is not bad, Friday night. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lancaster, PA Mike- The Iron Horse Inn is within walking distance of my house! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Heading again, for the annual Christmas trip to Lancaster and Strasburg, PA, where the TCA museum is. > > Staying at the Best Western in Paradise, as we stay there last year and the hotel is wonderful. Quiet and comfortable for 80 a night, as we have dinner reservation for the Tavern at the hotel and two dinners at the Iron Horse Inn, that is always wonderful, even with the new owners, as they advertise in the TCA quarterly. > > Hope to see Bob Board again and his S Gauge Layout, 880 square feet. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57504	From: michael prell	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Video

BG1, That is a really nice board! Thanks for the inspiration. Recently, I've hit a slump in getting mine started. All the track's down and accessories are in place. For some reason I've been hesitant about starting to wire it up. Not any more! Merry Christmas! And Tracks Ahead to you! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 12/10/09, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Video To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:32 PM   Hi All, I know this doesn't compete with the Big Boy, but here is a video of two trains running on my under construction layout: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=GVPBzNNMUlc Now I need to improve the lighting before making any more videos. I hope you enjoy the video! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57505	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS

Well according to the FED EX site... The BB's....they are on the truck heading to my home... Wonder what one would bring if it were put up on ebay tonight??? Think I might put one up with a BIN of 1000 as a joke... The pics so far really look nice... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57506	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Video

Hey BG, That is some delightful work. Very smooth and steady. Did you use drywall for your tabletop? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Video Hi All, I know this doesn't compete with the Big Boy, but here is a video of two trains running on my under construction layout: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVPBzNNMUlc> com/watch?v=GVPBzNNMUlc Now I need to improve the lighting before making any more videos. I hope you enjoy the video! BG1 __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57507	From: MikeS	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains

Dale - What a great job. Thanks for your efforts. You could not have done it better. Mike Spanier --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Maybe I should have waited for a "slow newsday" to make this > announcement, lest it get buried beneath the jubilation at the arrival > of the Big Boy, but instead I will test your tolerance for things Flyer, > but not S. You have already put out the welcome mat for 3 rail Flyer, > so please welcome also its little brother, Gilbert American Flyer HO. > > Today I am announcing a new website, which can be found at > http://gilbertafho.home.att.net I have also registered the domain > name, www.gilbertho.org and hopefully the forwarding will take effect > soon so that you can reach it through that address also. > > The website is an illustrated database of Gilbert American Flyer HO that > was developed from the catalogs. The index covers everything HO that > is covered in the catalogs on MyFlyerTrains.org > <http://www.myflyertrains.org>, complete with links to the relevant > catalog pages on that website. It covers all cataloged sets and their > contents, as well as the items that were offered for separate sale. The > illustrations on the website are courtesy of Chuck Harrington and > MyFlyerTrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org>, who helped make this > site possible. > > Check it out and pretty soon you will know as much about American Flyer > HO as you do about S. One thing that will probably strike you is the > symmetry between the two lines. Most everything in the HO line has its > S gauge counterpart. I hope you enjoy the website. > > Dale Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57508	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and track...

I do not know if I have enough of the bleached out pieces to make it worthwhile but this is an excellent suggestion. Thanks - Earl Henry ========================== In a message dated 12/11/2009 5:44:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, gwcohn@... writes: gilbert's wrote: > > I agree on the suggested values stated, if we are talking about black > wide-tie roadbed. My experience has been that the narrow-tie or gray > roadbed brings a little less. Here's a tip for making gray or badly faded or stained roadbed look like new. Wash it thoroughly with dish detergent and water, rinse and let dry. Then go to a good auto paint store and get some SEM brand vinyl paint. It comes in aerosols and some stores carry it in quarts that you put in your own spray gun. It is made for recoloring vinyl upholstery but it does a fantastic job of making ugly roadbed look like new. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57509	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains

Bravo, Dale!! Great effort. I also developed an interest in Gilbert American Flyer HO as I worked on building my "S" collection ( my first love) over the years. If you ever decide to put actual pictures up on the site, get ahold of me since I might be able to help on some items. Again, terrific site. I reached it using the www.gilbertho.org address. The first URL you listed didn't seem to work for me. Regards, Daryl Olszeski Dale Smith wrote: > > Maybe I should have waited for a "slow newsday" to make this > announcement, lest it get buried beneath the jubilation at the arrival > of the Big Boy, but instead I will test your tolerance for things Flyer, > but not S. You have already put out the welcome mat for 3 rail Flyer, > so please welcome also its little brother, Gilbert American Flyer HO. > > Today I am announcing a new website, which can be found at > http://gilbertafho.home.att.net <http://gilbertafho.home.att.net> I > have also registered the domain > name, www.gilbertho.org and hopefully the forwarding will take effect > soon so that you can reach it through that address also. > > The website is an illustrated database of Gilbert American Flyer HO that > was developed from the catalogs. The index covers everything HO that > is covered in the catalogs on MyFlyerTrains.org > <http://www.myflyertrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org>>, > complete with links to the relevant > catalog pages on that website. It covers all cataloged sets and their > contents, as well as the items that were offered for separate sale. The > illustrations on the website are courtesy of Chuck Harrington and > MyFlyerTrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org > <http://www.myflyertrains.org>>, who helped make this > site possible. > > Check it out and pretty soon you will know as much about American Flyer > HO as you do about S. One thing that will probably strike you is the > symmetry between the two lines. Most everything in the HO line has its > S gauge counterpart. I hope you enjoy the website. > > Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57510	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos

WOW Thanks for the show,can't wait till I get mine. Butch ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 8:46:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Photos Here are some shots of the new Big Boy on the layout. http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ bigboy.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57511	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Here are some shots of the new Big Boy on the layout. > > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm > > Carl > Carl, Great shots. The Big Boy looks fantastic on your outstanding layout. I received mine yesterday. It runs very well and the sound and smoke systems are impressive. I have a question for you. On my locomotive, the boiler sits lower over the rear drivers than the front drivers. This gives the boiler a "going up hill" appearance. It's as if the mounting of the rear engine is not assembled properly or missing a part. I'm wondering if you have noticed the same with your engine or if there is something maybe misassembled with mine. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57512	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA

Ben, Thanks for you offer, I will take you phone number with us and call this evening either before 7 or around 9. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lancaster, PA Mike- Look me up if you'd like to see my S gauge layout/collection as well as the prewar 3/16" AF, Marx, and Standard Gauge (MTH) around the Christmas trees. Let me know if you can fit in a visit...you are most welcome with or without muffins. Ben Stiles 04-57201, Strasburg, PA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Tomorrow we leave for 3 days of train doings in Lancaster, PA, as we do this annually. > > We never get tired of doing this. > > I will bringing Jim Lyle a dozen freshly bake Muffins, that I baked, made with Maine wild Blueberries. > > Who cares about the arrival of this Lionel AF Big Boy engine when you can get a dozen blueberry muffins instead. LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57513	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA

Mike, You might try the NEW restaurant at DUTCHWAY, too. Jim In a message dated 12/11/2009 11:12:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Ben, That used to one of our favorite places to eat in Lancaster. New owners came in and it has not been the same for us since. Olde Greenfield Inn is still a favorite, as we are going there Saturday night. The Best Western, the Revere Inn Restaurant is not bad, Friday night. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lancaster, PA Mike- The Iron Horse Inn is within walking distance of my house! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Heading again, for the annual Christmas trip to Lancaster and Strasburg, PA, where the TCA museum is. > > Staying at the Best Western in Paradise, as we stay there last year and the hotel is wonderful. Quiet and comfortable for 80 a night, as we have dinner reservation for the Tavern at the hotel and two dinners at the Iron Horse Inn, that is always wonderful, even with the new owners, as they advertise in the TCA quarterly. > > Hope to see Bob Board again and his S Gauge Layout, 880 square feet. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57514	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: They have arrived

Just got my BIG BOYS..... Don't have much time as I am supposed to pick up a GF in an Hour... So I only took a quick look... It is really Beautiful..... Big and Heavy.... I compared the engine to a Full Scalle Brass one.... Its almost the same length but only just a little higher... About 3/16"... But I haven't measured it setting on the track... hope Sunday to get a picture of both sitting nose to nose and side by side.... trailing truck is way too wide.... appears to be close to s size.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57515	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS

Bob, Actually there is one on eBay right now, Buy-It-Now $739. Item number 220524245658 Chuck Harrington On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > Well according to the FED EX site... The BB's....they are on the truck heading to my home... Wonder what one would bring if it were put up on ebay tonight??? > Think I might put one up with a BIN of 1000 as a joke... The pics so far really look nice... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group > Me [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57516	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Lancaster, PA

PA Dutch area - I always try to get some Shoo Fly pie when I'm there. Hint, hint - Lancaster would be a good location for a future NASG convention 2012 and beyond. Any takers, organizers. Jeff Madden To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:14:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lancaster, PA Mike, You might try the NEW restaurant at DUTCHWAY, too. Jim In a message dated 12/11/2009 11:12:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Ben, That used to one of our favorite places to eat in Lancaster. New owners came in and it has not been the same for us since. Olde Greenfield Inn is still a favorite, as we are going there Saturday night. The Best Western, the Revere Inn Restaurant is not bad, Friday night. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lancaster, PA Mike- The Iron Horse Inn is within walking distance of my house! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Heading again, for the annual Christmas trip to Lancaster and Strasburg, PA, where the TCA museum is. > > Staying at the Best Western in Paradise, as we stay there last year and the hotel is wonderful. Quiet and comfortable for 80 a night, as we have dinner reservation for the Tavern at the hotel and two dinners at the Iron Horse Inn, that is always wonderful, even with the new owners, as they advertise in the TCA quarterly. > > Hope to see Bob Board again and his S Gauge Layout, 880 square feet. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57517	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos

Scott, It does look a few thousanths lower in the back. It may be to clear the smoke unit? I haven't had it apart yet. It may be it can be modified. I will also look into narrowing the rear truck casting. Carl ~~~~~~~~~~ Carl, Great shots. The Big Boy looks fantastic on your outstanding layout. I received mine yesterday. It runs very well and the sound and smoke systems are impressive. I have a question for you. On my locomotive, the boiler sits lower over the rear drivers than the front drivers. This gives the boiler a "going up hill" appearance. It's as if the mounting of the rear engine is not assembled properly or missing a part. I'm wondering if you have noticed the same with your engine or if there is something maybe misassembled with mine. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY Reply to sender | Reply to group [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57518	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS

Hi Bob, � I'm surprised that there is one on ebay at this time.  I'm sure there will be an auction shortly. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:40 AM   Well according to the FED EX site... The BB's....they are on the truck heading to my home... Wonder what one would bring if it were put up on ebay tonight??? Think I might put one up with a BIN of 1000 as a joke... The pics so far really look nice... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57519	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Photos

Yes, I am curious to get a look inside, too. I will be looking to see if there is a way to lower the front, rather than raising the back. The boiler sits about 1 scale foot too high on these, I think. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Scott, > > It does look a few thousanths lower in the back. It may be to clear the > smoke unit? > I haven't had it apart yet. It may be it can be modified. I will also look > into narrowing the rear truck casting. > > Carl > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Carl, > > Great shots. The Big Boy looks fantastic on your outstanding layout. I > received mine yesterday. It runs very well and the sound and smoke systems > are impressive. I have a question for you. On my locomotive, the boiler sits > lower over the rear drivers than the front drivers. This gives the boiler a > "going up hill" appearance. It's as if the mounting of the rear engine is > not assembled properly or missing a part. I'm wondering if you have noticed > the same with your engine or if there is something maybe misassembled with > mine. > > Scott Griggs > Louisville, KY > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57520	From: Wayne B.	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: (no subject)

Carl you take great pictures...that Big Boy just looks incredibly real. WishI had the mountains and trees you have too. ggg Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57521	From: Scott	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Engine identification - cab #899

A co-worker that knows I have and repair trains brought in a S-gauge engine that he received as a child. He wants me to clean and test since he has no track any longer. He also asked about value. I am more familiar with Marx and Lionel. The engine is a 4-6-2 with smoke in the tender. The cab has the number 899 in gold/yellow numbers. He is not sure about choo-choo sound. I have not found any reference to the loco number in my books. Is it a different catalog number than what is on the loco? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57522	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: BIGBOY!!!

Hello, I am also having trouble with the BB tender wheel gauge on SHS track and not going through my Tom's Turnouts. It seems that they need to be widened a bit. The wheels seem very tight on the axle. How did you get them to move outward? I don't want to force something and break it right out of the box. The engine goes through fine. Any help with this matter is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lou Templeton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57523	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Engine identification - cab #899

Scott, That is not a number that was assigned to a catalogued S gauge American Flyer steam locomotive. However, the only factory combination of a 4-6-2 with a smoke-in-tender was the Pennsylvania K5 (AF number 312, although I think some 310's may have been built with SIT). If it is postwar AF S gauge, most likely it has been repainted or at least re-numbered. Do you have photos you can post? They would really help identify what you have. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <tinplate611@...> wrote: > > A co-worker that knows I have and repair trains brought in a S-gauge engine that he received as a child. He wants me to clean and test since he has no track any longer. He also asked about value. > > I am more familiar with Marx and Lionel. > > The engine is a 4-6-2 with smoke in the tender. The cab has the number 899 in gold/yellow numbers. He is not sure about choo-choo sound. > > I have not found any reference to the loco number in my books. Is it a different catalog number than what is on the loco? > > Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57524	From: Bruce	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains

Dale, Actually, I just learned that I could access your website by typing in www.gilbertho.org. You might want to replace the clickable link you provided with that one. Nice website! And, very valuable even if you do have access to Gary's book. Thank you for undertaking the endeavor. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains Maybe I should have waited for a "slow newsday" to make this announcement, lest it get buried beneath the jubilation at the arrival of the Big Boy, but instead I will test your tolerance for things Flyer, but not S. You have already put out the welcome mat for 3 rail Flyer, so please welcome also its little brother, Gilbert American Flyer HO. Today I am announcing a new website, which can be found at http://gilbertafho.home.att.net I have also registered the domain name, www.gilbertho.org and hopefully the forwarding will take effect soon so that you can reach it through that address also. The website is an illustrated database of Gilbert American Flyer HO that was developed from the catalogs. The index covers everything HO that is covered in the catalogs on MyFlyerTrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org>, complete with links to the relevant catalog pages on that website. It covers all cataloged sets and their contents, as well as the items that were offered for separate sale. The illustrations on the website are courtesy of Chuck Harrington and MyFlyerTrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org>, who helped make this site possible. Check it out and pretty soon you will know as much about American Flyer HO as you do about S. One thing that will probably strike you is the symmetry between the two lines. Most everything in the HO line has its S gauge counterpart. I hope you enjoy the website. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57525	From: Rick rubino	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Flyer parts

Tom : have not had much luck trying to use papal it says i am already in the system but will not mail me my password so i will send a check but I need an address. found the book you mentioned and ordered it on line. as for axles not sure how to get the old wheels off looks like the axles are peened over to hold the wheels on . so i am assuming i need the axles as well to make the repairs. let me know the full amount and i will send you a check right away. not sure what paint and decals i will need until the book arrives with photos as all the cars have been painted and am not sure of the original coloring or lettering. Thanks Rick > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57526	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Website for the "Other" Flyer Trains

I thought about adding actual photos as a possible extension of the website. I didn't include it at first because 1) I didn't have enough webspace with my old provider and 2) I didn't have enough actual photos, but with your help I will start adding whatever you can send me. I will be moving the site to a new host with more than enough webspace, but it will still be reachable at www.gilbertho.org. Be sure your real name is attached to the email you send me so I can caption the photos "Collection of ......" Right now, I am adding hyperlinks from the set contents listing to the individual item pages, so when you are looking at a set and want to go to an individual item, you need only click on the item number in the set contents list. Dale Smith Daryl Olszeski wrote: > Bravo, Dale!! Great effort. I also developed an interest in Gilbert > American Flyer HO as I worked on building my "S" collection ( my first > love) over the years. If you ever decide to put actual pictures up on > the site, get ahold of me since I might be able to help on some items. > Again, terrific site. I reached it using the www.gilbertho.org address. > The first URL you listed didn't seem to work for me. > > Regards, > Daryl Olszeski > > Dale Smith wrote: > >> Maybe I should have waited for a "slow newsday" to make this >> announcement, lest it get buried beneath the jubilation at the arrival >> of the Big Boy, but instead I will test your tolerance for things Flyer, >> but not S. You have already put out the welcome mat for 3 rail Flyer, >> so please welcome also its little brother, Gilbert American Flyer HO. >> >> Today I am announcing a new website, which can be found at >> http://gilbertafho.home.att.net <http://gilbertafho.home.att.net> I >> have also registered the domain >> name, www.gilbertho.org and hopefully the forwarding will take effect >> soon so that you can reach it through that address also. >> >> The website is an illustrated database of Gilbert American Flyer HO that >> was developed from the catalogs. The index covers everything HO that >> is covered in the catalogs on MyFlyerTrains.org >> <http://www.myflyertrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org>>, >> complete with links to the relevant >> catalog pages on that website. It covers all cataloged sets and their >> contents, as well as the items that were offered for separate sale. The >> illustrations on the website are courtesy of Chuck Harrington and >> MyFlyerTrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org >> <http://www.myflyertrains.org>>, who helped make this >> site possible. >> >> Check it out and pretty soon you will know as much about American Flyer >> HO as you do about S. One thing that will probably strike you is the >> symmetry between the two lines. Most everything in the HO line has its >> S gauge counterpart. I hope you enjoy the website. >> >> Dale Smith >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57527	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Video

Bill, Thanks for the comments. Yes - I used drywall for the table top. The frame is 1 x 4 lumber sitting on folding tables. I'm surprised how stable the track is because right now the track is just sitting on the drywall with only a couple of pieces nailed in place. Once I'm through playing around and have the final track plan, I'll level it all and firmly attach it. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hey BG, > > > > That is some delightful work. Very smooth and steady. Did you use > drywall for your tabletop? > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bull_gator_1 > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:33 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Video > > > > > > Hi All, > > I know this doesn't compete with the Big Boy, but here is a video of two > trains running on my under construction layout: > > http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVPBzNNMUlc> > com/watch?v=GVPBzNNMUlc > > Now I need to improve the lighting before making any more videos. I hope > you enjoy the video! > > BG1 > > __ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57528	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Carl's Big Boy Video

Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57529	From: Phil Edgley	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

Awesome! Awesome train room too! I'm still waiting for mine, but that is something worth waiting for! ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 6:16:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: http://www.youtube com/user/ carl4flyer Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57530	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

Great video! I'm still waiting for mine, as well. Looks like Lionel got it right on the smoke unit this time, as compared to our Northerns. What brand of smoke fluid do you use, Carl? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: carl@... To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57531	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

Thanks. Yes is does smoke! It was set on meduim smoke level. High fills the room. I am using ANormal's smoke. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jimensign50@... Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Great video! I'm still waiting for mine, as well. Looks like Lionel got it right on the smoke unit this time, as compared to our Northerns. What brand of smoke fluid do you use, Carl? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: carl@... To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57532	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

Looks like I'd better order a bottle! Thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: carl@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Thanks. Yes is does smoke! It was set on meduim smoke level. High fills the room. I am using ANormal's smoke. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of jimensign50@... Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Great video! I'm still waiting for mine, as well. Looks like Lionel got it right on the smoke unit this time, as compared to our Northerns. What brand of smoke fluid do you use, Carl? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: carl@... To: "STrains" < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57533	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: 0 - 6 - 0 Parts

Tom or Fred, Is there a light bracket available for the 0-6-0 21004? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57534	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

This looks like a great time for a smoke fluid ad. You can get a 4oz bottle with dropper, $10.00 +$3.00 shipping You can order from me at _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) or Doug at Portlines and Joe @ Joe's Train Repair. Mike Mike Strickland 211 Summit Av Medford, Or 97401 In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:36:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: Looks like I'd better order a bottle! Thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: _carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Thanks. Yes is does smoke! It was set on meduim smoke level. High fills the room. I am using ANormal's smoke. Carl -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ]On Behalf Of _jimensign50@jimensign50_ (mailto:jimensign50@...) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:24 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Great video! I'm still waiting for mine, as well. Looks like Lionel got it right on the smoke unit this time, as compared to our Northerns. What brand of smoke fluid do you use, Carl? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: _carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) To: "STrains" < _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: _http://www.youtube.http://wwhttp://www_ (http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer) Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57535	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 0 - 6 - 0 Parts

Thats a bracket for the light in the boiler front. -----Original Message----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:42 pm Subject: [S-Trains] 0 - 6 - 0 Parts Tom or Fred, Is there a light bracket available for the 0-6-0 21004? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57536	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

You forgot me Mikey Steve In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:58:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@... writes: This looks like a great time for a smoke fluid ad. You can get a 4oz bottle with dropper, $10.00 +$3.00 shipping You can order from me at __Anormal1@aol._An_ (mailto:_Anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) ) or Doug at Portlines and Joe @ Joe's Train Repair. Mike Mike Strickland 211 Summit Av Medford, Or 97401 In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:36:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _jimensign50@jimensign50_ (mailto:jimensign50@...) writes: Looks like I'd better order a bottle! Thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: __carl@tuveson._ca_ (mailto:_carl@...) _ (mailto:_carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) ) To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Thanks. Yes is does smoke! It was set on meduim smoke level. High fills the room. I am using ANormal's smoke. Carl -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogrouFrom: _S-Trains@_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) [mailto: _S-Trains@yahoogrou[mailto: _S-Trai_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ]On Behalf Of _jimensign50@Of _jimensign50@<WBR>_jimensign50@jimensign50_ (mailto:jimensign50@...) ) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:24 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Train_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Great video! I'm still waiting for mine, as well. Looks like Lionel got it right on the smoke unit this time, as compared to our Northerns. What brand of smoke fluid do you use, Carl? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: __carl@tuveson._ca_ (mailto:_carl@...) _ (mailto:_carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) ) To: "STrains" < _S-Trains@yahoogrou _S-Trai (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: __http://www.youtube.http://www.youhttp:/_ (http://www.youtube.http//wwhttp://www_) (_http://www.youtube.http://wwhttp://www_ (http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer) ) Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57537	From: Dave	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: 1/64th Scale Trucks

We are in the process of making a deal with a manfacturer of 1/64th scale, highly detailed, cast metal trucks (cargo, 22 ft. Semi & 40 ft. Semi) to produce decals for their line. When we get the go-a-head we will be advertising them on our web site. These are some of the best made reproductions of 1940's and 1950's trucks that can be found and boast more than 30 truck line names from the past. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57538	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Keith Keefer: Re Schematic Used for AF Automatic Controls Video

Keith - Regarding your below question: Mark Anderman made a sketch for the wiring for the system used in the 2007 video, which used the pressure-sensitive Flyer track contacts. It's at the bottom of the 'Project 241' web page here: http://track2.com/ingram/plans/s241/241a.intro.shtml . Mark now has a NEWER design -- using automotive relays and reed switches -- instead of the less reliable pressure-sensitive Flyer track contacts. Marks's schematic for this design is at the bottom of the 2nd page of the 'Project 242' web page here: http://track2.com/ingram/plans/s242/242b.2trains.shtml#anderwire Note he also has purchase information for the reed switches and relays on the 'Relays' page of AndermanFlyer.com -- which he has TEMPORARILY located here: http://burnscreativestudio.com/andermanflyer/forsale.html ((I say "temporary" because his new website is still 'under construction')). I'm not sure if this answers your question or not. Feel free to phone me if you have more questions. Mark Anderman's contact info is on the above-listed website, if you want to contact him directly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://track2.com> MacBook Pro/OS 10.5 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Dec 5, 2009, at 8:50 AM, keefer1 wrote: > >> > > Hey Jim, any chance you have a schematic of the controller wiring > for this? Keith > >> --- On Wed, 5/16/07, Ingram-Jim-sListservers wrote: >> >> From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers >> Subject: [S-Trains] --YouTube: AF Automatic Controls Video >> Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 5:44 PM >> >> We have put an S gauge automatic controls video on YouTube.com here: >> >> http://www.youtube com/watch? v=z20K-WYfvcU >> >> A. EXPLANATION: >> This video, made by Mark Anderman of the Susquehanna S Gaugers, at >> the April 2007 "Steamup" in Williamsport Pa, shows a demonstration of >> an automatic control system they made to operate 3 American Flyer >> trains on one circle of track, using all stock AC Gilbert parts. >> They used a siding to hold 2 trains, plus a 3rd block operated by a >> semaphore on the mainline. >> <SNIP> : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57539	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: 0 - 6 - 0 Parts

Hi Harwood, � No reproductions.  Original part number X-13A382.  I had some originals. Out at this time.  if you have a junker HO 430 Alco it uses the same bracket. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/11/09, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 0 - 6 - 0 Parts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:42 PM   Tom or Fred, Is there a light bracket available for the 0-6-0 21004? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57540	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

Sorry Steve, You can also get my fluid from SnS trains in Boise Idaho, Mike In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:42:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, boss31@... writes: You forgot me Mikey Steve In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:58:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: This looks like a great time for a smoke fluid ad. You can get a 4oz bottle with dropper, $10.00 +$3.00 shipping You can order from me at __Anormal1@... can order__Anormal1@aol._An_ (mailto:_Anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:__Anormal1@aol._An_ (mailto:_Anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) ) ) or Doug at Portlines and Joe @ Joe's Train Repair. Mike Mike Strickland 211 Summit Av Medford, Or 97401 In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:36:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _jimensign50@_jimensign50@<WBR>jim_jimensign50@jimensign50_ (mailto:jimensign50@...) ) writes: Looks like I'd better order a bottle! Thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: __carl@...: __carl@__carl@tuveson._ca_ (mailto:_carl@...) ) _ (mailto:__carl@tuveson._ca_ (mailto:_carl@...) _ (mailto:_carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) ) ) To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Trains@yahoTo: _S-TTo: _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Thanks. Yes is does smoke! It was set on meduim smoke level. High fills the room. I am using ANormal's smoke. Carl -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogrouFrom: _S-Trains@yahoogrFrom: _S-Trains@From: _S (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) [mailto: _S-Trains@yahoogrou[mailto: _S-Trains@yahoogrou<W[mailto: _S-[mail (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ]On Behalf Of _jimensign50@Of _jimensign50@<WBR<WBR>_jimensign5_jimensign5<WBR (mailto:_jimensign50@jimensign50_ (mailto:jimensign50@...) ) ) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:24 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogrouTo: _S-Trains@yahoTo: _S-TTo: _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Great video! I'm still waiting for mine, as well. Looks like Lionel got it right on the smoke unit this time, as compared to our Northerns. What brand of smoke fluid do you use, Carl? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: __carl@...: __carl@__carl@tuveson._ca_ (mailto:_carl@...) ) _ (mailto:__carl@tuveson._ca_ (mailto:_carl@...) _ (mailto:_carl@..._ (mailto:carl@...) ) ) To: "STrains" < _S-Trains@yahoogrou _S-Trai (mailto:_S-Trains@(mailto:_S-T(mailto:_S-Tr_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16:49 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: ___http://www.youtube.http://www.http://wwh_ (http://www.youtube.http//www.youhttp:/_) (_http://www.youtube.http://www.yohttp:/_ (http://www.youtube.http//wwhttp://www_) ) (__http://www.youtube.http://www.youhttp:/_ (http://www.youtube.http//wwhttp://www_) (_http://www.youtube.http://wwhttp://www_ (http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer) ) ) Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57541	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Engine identification - cab #899

Hi Scott, � That 899 is a custom number in gold.  A.C. Gilbert never used that number for any of his "S" Gauge locomotive and as far as I know any HO or O either. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Scott <tinplate611@...> wrote: From: Scott <tinplate611@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Engine identification - cab #899 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 2:16 PM   A co-worker that knows I have and repair trains brought in a S-gauge engine that he received as a child. He wants me to clean and test since he has no track any longer. He also asked about value. I am more familiar with Marx and Lionel. The engine is a 4-6-2 with smoke in the tender. The cab has the number 899 in gold/yellow numbers. He is not sure about choo-choo sound. I have not found any reference to the loco number in my books. Is it a different catalog number than what is on the loco? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57542	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Flyer parts

Hi Rick, � I'll send you a email from my aol email. with this infomation. � Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Rick rubino <RRUBINO@...> wrote: From: Rick rubino <RRUBINO@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer parts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 7:26 PM   Tom : have not had much luck trying to use papal it says i am already in the system but will not mail me my password so i will send a check but I need an address. found the book you mentioned and ordered it on line. as for axles not sure how to get the old wheels off looks like the axles are peened over to hold the wheels on . so i am assuming i need the axles as well to make the repairs. let me know the full amount and i will send you a check right away. not sure what paint and decals i will need until the book arrives with photos as all the cars have been painted and am not sure of the original coloring or lettering. Thanks Rick > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57543	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: BIGBOY!!!

Gentlemen, We have some more Bigboy vidio's on youtube at Cartrain1. Bob G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57544	From: Jim King	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: All S items are sold

I've recorded everyone's requests and sold the balance to a dealer. Thanks to **ALL** who responded so quickly. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57545	From: Dave	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: 1/64th Scale Trucks

Well, here is the rest of the story. We now have all of the info. on the 1/64th scale trucks at our web site. Go to the bottom of the page at the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html These trucks come in kit form and are HIGHLY DETAILED CAST METAL and the price is only $20.00 ea. with $5.00 shipping in the U.S.A. This is one of the best deals around and a person should probably order before they run out. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... 502-292-1872 (please leave message)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57546	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Carl's Big Boy Video

Carl, Even tho I'm a S-scale buff, I'm totally impressed with your layout and the new Big Boy! What rail are you using and what is the smallest track radius and turnouts the BB was running on? Great job on the video! Gary Chudzinski >Carl's Big Boy Video >Posted by: "carl@..." carl@... carl4flyer >Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:24 pm (PST) >Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: >http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer >Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57547	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

Thanks Gary, It is American Models flex track and turnouts. I use 27" minimum radius. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary Chudzinski Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:41 PM To: S-Trains Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Carl's Big Boy Video Carl, Even tho I'm a S-scale buff, I'm totally impressed with your layout and the new Big Boy! What rail are you using and what is the smallest track radius and turnouts the BB was running on? Great job on the video! Gary Chudzinski >Carl's Big Boy Video >Posted by: "carl@..." carl@... carl4flyer >Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:24 pm (PST) >Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: >http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer >Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57548	From: mike	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: new locomotive

i am thinking about buying a new locomotive. I am not sure which company to go with eather Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and s-helper. I was thinking about American Model locomotive 4-6-2 but, i dont know if the inside of the cab is detailed like the S-helper 2-8-0 and the Flyonel locomotive. if anyone has a picture or could take one it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike J.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57549	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

Mike, American models steam locos do not have a detailed boiler backhead. They are however great locos and good runners. http://www.tuveson.com/am-pacific/am-nyc-rear.jpg The SHS steamer is detailed to the max. The Lionel Mikados are also very detailed. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] new locomotive i am thinking about buying a new locomotive. I am not sure which company to go with eather Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and s-helper. I was thinking about American Model locomotive 4-6-2 but, i dont know if the inside of the cab is detailed like the S-helper 2-8-0 and the Flyonel locomotive. if anyone has a picture or could take one it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57550	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/13/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57551	From: wisner_mark	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

You will not go wrong with S- Helper. Great Product and Superior Service. I just purchased a E27- 280 DCC with Sound. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <civicman_97@...> wrote: >. > i am thinking about buying a new locomotive. I am not sure which company to go with eather Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and s-helper. I was thinking about American Model locomotive 4-6-2 but, i dont know if the inside of the cab is detailed like the S-helper 2-8-0 and the Flyonel locomotive. if anyone has a picture or could take one it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike J. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57552	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Re: Carl's Big Boy Video

Carl that is so cool...   Clayton Oregon --- On Fri, 12/11/09, carl@... <carl@...> wrote: From: carl@... <carl@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Carl's Big Boy Video To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 6:16 PM   Here is a 10 minute video of my new AF Big boy at: http://www.youtube com/user/ carl4flyer Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57553	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/12/2009
Subject: Carl's youtube video

Thanks, Carl! I immediately sent this on to my grandson (age 2) and to my wife's nephew (age 8), both of whom love model trains. Dave in Maryland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57554	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

Hey Mike, I may have a Flyonel Big Boy for sale. If you have an interest, contact me off line. Or anyone else for that matter.... Roy, up to his neck in trains in Lenexa, Inman on 12/12/09 5:08 PM, mike at civicman_97@... wrote: > > > > > > i am thinking about buying a new locomotive. I am not sure which company to go > with eather Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and s-helper. I was > thinking about American Model locomotive 4-6-2 but, i dont know if the inside > of the cab is detailed like the S-helper 2-8-0 and the Flyonel locomotive. if > anyone has a picture or could take one it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike > J. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57555	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

Mike, I can sure agree with Mark. I have two of the 280¹s and they are fantastic double-headed. A real show stopper just running the one. Roy Inman on 12/12/09 7:58 PM, wisner_mark at wisner_mark@... wrote: > > > > > > You will not go wrong with S- Helper. Great Product and Superior Service. I > just purchased a E27- 280 DCC with Sound. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "mike" > <civicman_97@...> wrote: >> >. >> > i am thinking about buying a new locomotive. I am not sure which company to >> go with eather Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and s-helper. I was >> thinking about American Model locomotive 4-6-2 but, i dont know if the inside >> of the cab is detailed like the S-helper 2-8-0 and the Flyonel locomotive. if >> anyone has a picture or could take one it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike >> J. >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57556	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

The cab interior of the AM 4-6-2 is totally austere. Steve In a message dated 12/12/2009 4:19:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, civicman_97@... writes: i am thinking about buying a new locomotive. I am not sure which company to go with eather Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and s-helper. I was thinking about American Model locomotive 4-6-2 but, i dont know if the inside of the cab is detailed like the S-helper 2-8-0 and the Flyonel locomotive. if anyone has a picture or could take one it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57557	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: New locomotive

Something you might want to consider is the electronics. What are you using to run your trains now? Regular AC power? Flyonel (Flyer made by Lionel), S-Helper, and American Models all have different operating systems as I recall. While you can get straight AC or straight DC locos from S-Helper or American Models, the Flyonel Pacific, Mikado, and Big Boy are TMCC equipped only. The Flyonel Northern and the diesels are straight AC. (But the Flyonel diesels have been junk to operate up to now.) The new diesels are going to be TMCC equipped. Then there is the question of which locos have sound and does that require running the proprietary operating system? While you I believe you CAN run the all the locos on straight AC, most need their operating systems to "come alive," particularly the TMCC locos. It is a hassle to have to run different operating systems on a single railroad, but it can be done. Perhaps Carl can be more specific about thoperating systems of these locos and how to make them work together. He's our electronics guru and a Lionel Service StationJust something to consider... Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57558	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Video of Big Boy running on the San Diego S-Gaugers layout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4MRKCFqZkk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57559	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: New locomotive

I guess the basic questions I have concerning the new Flyonel Big Boy are this: Will it operate on a basic AC layout and will it navigate regular Gilbert Flyer curve track? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Something you might want to consider is the electronics. What are you using to run your trains now? Regular AC power? Flyonel (Flyer made by Lionel), S-Helper, and American Models all have different operating systems as I recall. While you can get straight AC or straight DC locos from S-Helper or American Models, the Flyonel Pacific, Mikado, and Big Boy are TMCC equipped only. The Flyonel Northern and the diesels are straight AC. (But the Flyonel diesels have been junk to operate up to now.) The new diesels are going to be TMCC equipped. > Then there is the question of which locos have sound and does that require running the proprietary operating system? > While you I believe you CAN run the all the locos on straight AC, most need their operating systems to "come alive," particularly the TMCC locos. > It is a hassle to have to run different operating systems on a single railroad, but it can be done. > Perhaps Carl can be more specific about thoperating systems of these locos and how to make them work together. He's our electronics guru and a Lionel Service StationJust something to consider... > Stumpy in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57560	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: New locomotive

From Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas   The answer to your question, is yes it will. We had 2 run on our club layout at our club meeting yesterday with no problems. As you may know our club is all original flyer track. We had to shore up one end curve section that was not level and the front piolot wheels kept derailing,Fixed that problem. Thanks, � Alan Lambert --- On Sun, 12/13/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:New locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:05 AM   I guess the basic questions I have concerning the new Flyonel Big Boy are this: Will it operate on a basic AC layout and will it navigate regular Gilbert Flyer curve track? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote: > > Something you might want to consider is the electronics. What are you using to run your trains now? Regular AC power? Flyonel (Flyer made by Lionel), S-Helper, and American Models all have different operating systems as I recall. While you can get straight AC or straight DC locos from S-Helper or American Models, the Flyonel Pacific, Mikado, and Big Boy are TMCC equipped only. The Flyonel Northern and the diesels are straight AC. (But the Flyonel diesels have been junk to operate up to now.) The new diesels are going to be TMCC equipped. > Then there is the question of which locos have sound and does that require running the proprietary operating system? > While you I believe you CAN run the all the locos on straight AC, most need their operating systems to "come alive," particularly the TMCC locos. > It is a hassle to have to run different operating systems on a single railroad, but it can be done. > Perhaps Carl can be more specific about thoperating systems of these locos and how to make them work together. He's our electronics guru and a Lionel Service StationJust something to consider... > Stumpy in Appalachia. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57561	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

"Austere" ..... I learned a new word today! Rick. On Dec 12, 2009, at 10:06 PM, boss31@... wrote: > The cab interior of the AM 4-6-2 is totally austere. > > Steve > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57562	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS

Hi, I just got home from Lancaster, PA. Bob Board did have a Big Boy for sale at his Shoppe and also three Wendell coal cars from S Helper, as I think I go that name wrong, the orange colored one, as I believe they are in demand and out of stock at S Helper. I will write more on the trip later. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Harrington To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS Bob, Actually there is one on eBay right now, Buy-It-Now $739. Item number 220524245658 Chuck Harrington On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > Well according to the FED EX site... The BB's....they are on the truck heading to my home... Wonder what one would bring if it were put up on ebay tonight??? > Think I might put one up with a BIN of 1000 as a joke... The pics so far really look nice... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group > Me [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57563	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/13/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57564	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Trip To Lancaster

Linda and I just got back from another wonderful weekend in Lancaster, where the outlet stores are all over US 30, but we are not there for designer clothes, as if you think about it, everything we wear had some design it, but we go to see train layouts, train finding, seeing people and having great food. We did not go to Lancaster last year, due to me still having MRSA I got in April 2008 while at York for the York Eastern meet and it is very tricky to get rid of and you can leave it behind in a hotel bed. However, the MRSA is gone and the annual trip to Lancaster in December are back. Friday, we went to a new train Shoppe that we never knew about of PA 283, Cool Trains. Of course I knew he would not have anything in S, but it was great to go there. The town was Solunga, I think is the spelling. The owner said he has been in business for 8 years. It has been a difficult year, but he is doing okay. There where people buying things. Across the street was a old Purina feed warehouse. We went to Manheim, PA, but Rule's Trains opens at 4 pm, as we went there before Cool trains. So it was closed. A nice train station was there with 2 box cars and a caboose, as it is a museum. A semaphore is still there with a W sign. Across the street was a old three story building that was a restaurant, The Cat's Meow, as the roof line is just like the Tavern that is from Bar Mills which I have on my layout. But the first thing we did on Friday was to go to Lititz, PA and load up on Wilbur's Chocolate Buds. Almost like a Hershey kiss but better, in light and dark buds. The plant goes back a long way and is now own by Cargill. A rr track goes by the plant as it is a heavy duty production at this chocolate plant. We went to the Strasburg RR Shoppe where I got some Artista S scale figures for the layout, as it was pointed out to me, I have more cows and other animals than people. But the real excitement was the new Strasburg by pass from PA 896 to PA 741 that takes you right to the Strasburg hobby Shoppe shopping center. I was told that radar is there allot. Now if they can make a US 30 by pass for the outlet traffic!! Dinner was at the Revere Inn in Paradise, PA, as everything is made from scratch, the clam chowder is one of the best with a great taste of sherry in it. Linda had crab cakes and I had a pork tenderloin stuffed with shrimp spinach and sundried tomatoes. I do allot of cooking and I think I can make this. Saturday morning we had a private viewing with Jim Lyle of the AF layout they do at the Dutchway Market in Gap, PA. We saw that layout there in 2007. Sadly, they had to take that down the first weekend in December due to new construction at the market. We spent a good hour or so with Jim, as I learn some new things in building of layouts that I can use on my layout. And I delivered, as promised, one dozen Blueberry muffins made with Maine wild blueberries, to Jim. Then we went back to the Strasburg RR Shoppe and got more S figures for the layout. Had lunch and headed over to Bob Board's layout, his 880 sq. foot AF layout he and his Dad built so long ago. Bob has it in his hobby Shoppe. I picked up my AF Lionel repro auto unloading car, that I will send to Steve of SnS trains to be converted to DCC. I also got a AF Lionel Reindeer Stock car. We also picked up a S helper Banana refrigerator car and the 2009 S Helper Christmas car. That was the last one. After that we went back to Strasburg and met Ben Stiles and his wife Lyn, and their two dogs, as I think they where Phoebe and Snow. And we delivered SIX Blueberry muffins to them too. LOL We had a nice visit with them as Ben has a wonderful setup of trains in his house. Lyn, is like Linda and she is very much into the trains, which is great. We hope to see them again. We had another great meal as the Ode Greenfield Inn as we have been going there since 1992. Then I learned that the outlet on US 30 has the train shoppe that is connected with the Strasburg RR. We saw the place Saturday night and they did have some Lionel AF boxes you could see through the window, so maybe they have some S Helper. So Sunday morning we where going to stop, as they did not open till 11, as the whole outlet center did not open till 11, which is sad. The competing outlet center was open and very busy. It was raining and very cold and we did want to wait. We did stop in the Strasburg RR shoppe for a third time and got more S scale figures, I have no idea the total cost yet, LOL, but now i have 29 figures and some other things they had, from that company, newspaper rack, benches, backhoe, etc. I did get one naughty figure that will go by the tavern. I also got some wood to make a billboard, as the wood I needed to make some railing they did not have, so I will get that on line. We stopped at garden center that has lots of Christmas things and they usually have Penn State things, which Linda like to get, but nothing this time. So, it was another good trip to Lancaster. I highly recommend it. Oh, we did get two more S scale cats, as they finally had one in tan, as all of the ones we have are black, white, gray or mixed. Tan is rare. LOL I will sell it on ebay. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57565	From: michael prell	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: Video of Big Boy running on the San Diego S-Gaugers layout

Nice video, but just two very picky little points. 1-too bad that the camera wasn't kept to the front of the Big Guy and 2-Given the powerful engine, couldn't there have been a few more cars to pull? Not very cost effective.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Video of Big Boy running on the San Diego S-Gaugers layout To: s-trains@... Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 11:06 AM   http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Q4MRKCFqZkk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57566	From: race944t	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: 314 AW coil problem?

S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsI'm working on a 314 AW and the coil in the tender seems weak. It will barely close the contacts enough to make the whistle motor work. If I manually push the contacts closed the whistle motor picks up speed and whistles great. So, I've adjusted the movable contact as close to the fixed contact as I can get it without the whistle constantly turning, I've moved the brass backstop as close as possible to make the distance the points have to move the least possible. I've filed both sets of points so there is no pitting or corosion. It got a little better but still not right. Now I've come to the conclusion that the electromagnetic coil operating the points may be weak since it just doesn't seem to have the power to pull and hold the points in place tightly enough to provide current to the whistle motor. I've looked at the contact return spring and it is correct and not too stiff. I'm afraid if I take any resistance out of the spring it won't do it's job and open the points. I've checked Bob Hannon's book and the resistance for the coil should be between 87.7 and 101.2 ohms. Mine is 102.4 ohms, but my leads induce 3.2 ohms so net resistance of my coil is 99.2 ohms which is right in the middle of the range. I'm at a loss and turn to the group for help. HELP! What am I missing or how do I increase the pulling strength of the coil. Any suggestions are welcome. Contact me directly or through the list. Thanks, "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57567	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

Are all your wheels clean? Also look for a "cold" solder joint. Try measuring the resistance from the wheels to see if it might be somewhere along the point of pick up. In a message dated 12/13/2009 3:26:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, race944t@... writes: S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsI'm working on a 314 AW and the coil in the tender seems weak. It will barely close the contacts enough to make the whistle motor work. If I manually push the contacts closed the whistle motor picks up speed and whistles great. So, I've adjusted the movable contact as close to the fixed contact as I can get it without the whistle constantly turning, I've moved the brass backstop as close as possible to make the distance the points have to move the least possible. I've filed both sets of points so there is no pitting or corosion. It got a little better but still not right. Now I've come to the conclusion that the electromagnetic coil operating the points may be weak since it just doesn't seem to have the power to pull and hold the points in place tightly enough to provide current to the whistle motor. I've looked at the contact return spring and it is correct and not too stiff. I'm afraid if I take any resistance out of the spring it won't do it's job and open the points. I've checked Bob Hannon's book and the resistance for the coil should be between 87.7 and 101.2 ohms. Mine is 102.4 ohms, but my leads induce 3.2 ohms so net resistance of my coil is 99.2 ohms which is right in the middle of the range. I'm at a loss and turn to the group for help. HELP! What am I missing or how do I increase the pulling strength of the coil. Any suggestions are welcome. Contact me directly or through the list. Thanks, "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57568	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

I learned from many years of fixing automotive control systems that resistance tests can be misleading. Resistance is generally measured under static conditions...no current flow. A circuit showing ok resistance may behave quite differently under dynamic conditions with current flowing. If you could find a way to measure or graph current flow through the coil when you close the points manually that might give you an indication of where the problem is. --- On Sun, 12/13/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 314 AW coil problem? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:20 PM   S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsI'm working on a 314 AW and the coil in the tender seems weak. It will barely close the contacts enough to make the whistle motor work. If I manually push the contacts closed the whistle motor picks up speed and whistles great. So, I've adjusted the movable contact as close to the fixed contact as I can get it without the whistle constantly turning, I've moved the brass backstop as close as possible to make the distance the points have to move the least possible. I've filed both sets of points so there is no pitting or corosion. It got a little better but still not right. Now I've come to the conclusion that the electromagnetic coil operating the points may be weak since it just doesn't seem to have the power to pull and hold the points in place tightly enough to provide current to the whistle motor. I've looked at the contact return spring and it is correct and not too stiff. I'm afraid if I take any resistance out of the spring it won't do it's job and open the points. I've checked Bob Hannon's book and the resistance for the coil should be between 87.7 and 101.2 ohms. Mine is 102.4 ohms, but my leads induce 3.2 ohms so net resistance of my coil is 99.2 ohms which is right in the middle of the range. I'm at a loss and turn to the group for help. HELP! What am I missing or how do I increase the pulling strength of the coil. Any suggestions are welcome. Contact me directly or through the list. Thanks, "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57569	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Video of Working Big Boy

Here is a new video of the Big Boy working hard. http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57570	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Blueberry muffins

We spent a good hour or so with Jim, as I learn some new things in building of layouts that I can use on my layout. And I delivered, as promised, one dozen Blueberry muffins made with Maine wild blueberries, to Jim. Mike and Linda's visit to the barn (had to thaw the coffee pot to use it) was very nice and COLD. Enjoying the muffins (Mike's Marvelous Muffins????) , may have to ration them. JimLyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57571	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car

I have one S Helper Christmas Car 2009 for sale. $85 plus shipping. New in box, never taken out. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57572	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: Blueberry muffins

Thanks Jim. Glad you like the muffins, as we enjoyed seeing you Saturday, as it was fine in your nice unfinished room above the garage. Thanks for the tips on doing things. So now that I got you hooked, I have to figure out how much to charge for a dz muffins for my new mail order business. Oh, we did get some Lancaster Whoopie Pies to take home, as I did not realize they where big in Lancaster. they are very big in Maine. And yes, Glenn Ritter, it still smells in Lancaster at times. LOL Just kidding, as I know I got you a bit upset with that line in 2007. O:)! But go to Lititz, as the whole town smells like Chocolate. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: mlmarmer@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; ralcor888@... ; cookster1030@... ; JSnell5990@... ; jcryba@... ; linda.marmer@... Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Blueberry muffins We spent a good hour or so with Jim, as I learn some new things in building of layouts that I can use on my layout. And I delivered, as promised, one dozen Blueberry muffins made with Maine wild blueberries, to Jim. Mike and Linda's visit to the barn (had to thaw the coffee pot to use it) was very nice and COLD. Enjoying the muffins (Mike's Marvelous Muffins????) , may have to ration them. JimLyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57573	From: roninscho9	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

I don't think the problem is in the coil , It's most likely in the controler not making enough DC , as this is now 60 yrs. old & the disc type rectifier is starting to or has failed . Try some other DC supply as a test & see if that will make the relay pick up better , If that helps then you need to replace the old disc rectifier & probably should even if if it still works , with a diode about a 2 amp should do . Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57574	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: Blueberry muffins

So Jim, is the Paradise Pizza Shoppe really the best pizza in Paradise as the sign says, as I think it is the only Pizza in town. Paradise is real small, but it does have a Amtrak line running behind Jim's house in Paradise, with a great views of the farms. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: mlmarmer@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; ralcor888@... ; cookster1030@... ; JSnell5990@... ; jcryba@... ; linda.marmer@... Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Blueberry muffins We spent a good hour or so with Jim, as I learn some new things in building of layouts that I can use on my layout. And I delivered, as promised, one dozen Blueberry muffins made with Maine wild blueberries, to Jim. Mike and Linda's visit to the barn (had to thaw the coffee pot to use it) was very nice and COLD. Enjoying the muffins (Mike's Marvelous Muffins????) , may have to ration them. JimLyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57575	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS

Waddell Coal Mining Co. Inc. Don On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Hi, > > I just got home from Lancaster, PA. > > Bob Board did have a Big Boy for sale at his Shoppe and also three > Wendell coal cars from S Helper, as I think I go that name wrong, > the orange colored one, as I believe they are in demand and out of > stock at S Helper. > > I will write more on the trip later. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Harrington > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber > roadbed and BIG BOYS > > Bob, > > Actually there is one on eBay right now, Buy-It-Now $739. > > Item number 220524245658 > > Chuck Harrington > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > > > Well according to the FED EX site... The BB's....they are on the > truck heading to my home... Wonder what one would bring if it were > put up on ebay tonight??? > > Think I might put one up with a BIN of 1000 as a joke... The pics > so far really look nice... Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group > > Me > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57576	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: AF 162 and 165 Buildings

Anyone able to tell me the dimensions of the Flyer #162 Mysto-Magic Factory and the #165 Grain Elevator buildings? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57577	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS

I like Wendell better. Just kidding, as I knew I got it wrong. Anyway, I think they are desirable cars, and Bob Board has 3 of them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber roadbed and BIG BOYS Waddell Coal Mining Co. Inc. Don On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Hi, > > I just got home from Lancaster, PA. > > Bob Board did have a Big Boy for sale at his Shoppe and also three > Wendell coal cars from S Helper, as I think I go that name wrong, > the orange colored one, as I believe they are in demand and out of > stock at S Helper. > > I will write more on the trip later. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Harrington > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What is good selling price for AF rubber > roadbed and BIG BOYS > > Bob, > > Actually there is one on eBay right now, Buy-It-Now $739. > > Item number 220524245658 > > Chuck Harrington > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > > > Well according to the FED EX site... The BB's....they are on the > truck heading to my home... Wonder what one would bring if it were > put up on ebay tonight??? > > Think I might put one up with a BIN of 1000 as a joke... The pics > so far really look nice... Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group > > Me > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57578	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Re: AF 162 and 165 Buildings

Hi gilbertguy, #162 Factory is 9-3/4" Long, 4-1/2" wide and 5-3/4" High.  #165 Grain Elevator is 9" High, 7" Long & 5" Wide.  Information came for 1953 Catalog. � Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/13/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 162 and 165 Buildings To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 8:59 PM   Anyone able to tell me the dimensions of the Flyer #162 Mysto-Magic Factory and the #165 Grain Elevator buildings? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57579	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2009
Subject: Pizza

YES, Paradiso IS the only pizza shop in town, "johnnie" does a nice pizza and great sandwiches, too. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57580	From: race944t	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

Time for a visit to "The Shack" I've got a second 314AW to fix as well and it doesn't have a controller, so, I've got to look back at the old S-list posts and figure out how to make and hook up a "new" controller unless someone out there remembers how and wants to help me out. The lack of DC voltage seems to be the best answer so far. Wonder how many volts DC it should produce? Under load, with the switch thrown, it's showing 3.51V DC. I know the books say a "small amount of DC current..." but is this enough? It would seem ok to run as much as 5-7V DC since I don't think that would be enough to run the train on DC. After all, AC trains run on DC, but DC trains don't run on AC. Thanks again for the S-list help! "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> wrote: > > I don't think the problem is in the coil , It's most likely in the controler not making enough DC , as this is now 60 yrs. old & the disc type rectifier is starting to or has failed . Try some other DC supply as a test & see if that will make the relay pick up better , If that helps then you need to replace the old disc rectifier & probably should even if if it still works , with a diode about a 2 amp should do . Ron >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57581	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Video of Working Big Boy

Hi Carl -- What kind of camera did you use? Gotta love all that smoke, even if it can only be done for a little while before you need to file an instrument flight plan... Have fun! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57582	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car

Mike If available I'll take it. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car I have one S Helper Christmas Car 2009 for sale. $85 plus shipping. New in box, never taken out. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57583	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car

Roger, It is. Send me a check for 95 and I will send you the difference back in the shipping, as I know it will not cost 10, but I don't want to go back and forth to see how much it would be. Mike Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane Germantown, MD 20874. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Dumas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Mike If available I'll take it. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car I have one S Helper Christmas Car 2009 for sale. $85 plus shipping. New in box, never taken out. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57584	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car

Mike Payment will be in today's mail. Thank you. Roger Dumas 98 Allen Street Rutland, VT 05701 ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/14/2009 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Roger, It is. Send me a check for 95 and I will send you the difference back in the shipping, as I know it will not cost 10, but I don't want to go back and forth to see how much it would be. Mike Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane Germantown, MD 20874. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Dumas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Mike If available I'll take it. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car I have one S Helper Christmas Car 2009 for sale. $85 plus shipping. New in box, never taken out. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57585	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: AF 162 and 165 Buildings

Tom, thanks for the info. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi gilbertguy, > #162 Factory is 9-3/4" Long, 4-1/2" wide and 5-3/4" High.  #165 Grain Elevator is 9" High, 7" Long & 5" Wide.  Information came for 1953 Catalog. >   Tom Seccia > > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: > > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 162 and 165 Buildings > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 8:59 PM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > Anyone able to tell me the dimensions of the Flyer #162 Mysto-Magic Factory and the #165 Grain Elevator buildings? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57586	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

"Banker" Bill Clark, I totally agree with Ron! Selenium rectifiers lose their ability to handle the required current load after time and use. I worked in a TV repair shop many years back and we had to replace the seleniiums with silicon rectifiers in the power supply within a few years. You can jumper a silicon type across the old one....just make sure you get the polarity correct! Gary Chudzinski >Re: 314 AW coil problem? >Posted by: "roninscho9" ronnat@... roninscho9 >Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:26 pm (PST) I don't think the problem is in the coil , It's most likely in the controler not making enough DC , as this is now 60 yrs. old & the disc type rectifier is starting to or has failed . Try some other DC supply as a test & see if that will make the relay pick up better , If that helps then you need to replace the old disc rectifier & probably should even if if it still works , with a diode about a 2 amp should do . Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57587	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Poll Is Closed

Hi Folks, The poll is closed and the results are as follow: Question Would you prefer that this Yahoo group remain public or become private? Remain as is: 82% Change to Private: 11% Really don't care one way or the other: 6% We have 1540 registered members and there were 62 votes. I assume that all 1540 are still alive and that the non-voters belong in the "Really don't care" class. Don't care and As-Is account for 99.5% of the group members. Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57588	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car

Thanks Roger. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Dumas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Mike Payment will be in today's mail. Thank you. Roger Dumas 98 Allen Street Rutland, VT 05701 ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/14/2009 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Roger, It is. Send me a check for 95 and I will send you the difference back in the shipping, as I know it will not cost 10, but I don't want to go back and forth to see how much it would be. Mike Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane Germantown, MD 20874. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Dumas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Mike If available I'll take it. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car I have one S Helper Christmas Car 2009 for sale. $85 plus shipping. New in box, never taken out. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57589	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Dealing in Public

---- Original Message ----- To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:26 AM Send me a check for 95 and I will send you the difference back . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > -----------Response------- Some say deals should be done off-group, but maybe dealing in public helps the people who write pricing guides to see what prices things are going for. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57590	From: Edward	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Christmas Train cars.....

I still have an extra 1999 AF Xmas boxcar MIB...and the gold hopper with trees ...anyone interested contact me.....Edward

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57591	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: 314AW - Stronger control

- GreetingS - Ron Inscho, you are right on target. Banker Bill has a controller that has gotten weak. The old selenium diodes develop a bit of voltage drop in both directions. The consequence is rather little DC offset. An alternative controller can be made with a SPDT switch and a D cell or two. Transformer lead to center terminal of switch, track lead directly to one side, and track lead thru the D cell to the other side of the switch. On the direct side the track gets plain vanilla AC. No whistle. Switch on the other side and the track gets a sinusoid boosted upward by 1.5 V on maybe positive half of sinusoid and reduced in magnitude by 1.5 V on negative half. This 3 V difference has operated AM GG1 and Lionel EP-5? horns and bells (by reversing the D cell) with no problem. The switch should throw quickly. The reverser on the Lionel was too eager, occasionally going to neutral when the switch was thrown. There is an easy way around this. Joe Haenn has another of my controllers built with all diodes. It works best with four diodes in one direction and one in the opposite direction. Bill, you are welcome to try mine and likely welcome to try Joe's. I'll have to draw a decent schematic and put it in pdf format for those who may be interested. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57592	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: message # 57591

I would like to see how to make 314 controller also. I have two that I have rebuilt & neither will activate on there own. Bob Guckian

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57593	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Inside the Big Boy

For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big Boy at http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57594	From: Coopers	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Poll Is Closed

Good Evening All! Statistically, I am with the "don't care" class in that I missed the message concerning the poll and did not respond. If I had noted the message, I would have indicated "open - stay as is." I have come to enjoy the tech help and camaraderie of this group. I am a "part-time" Flyer junkie with my hobby time split between Flyer "S" trains and RC activities. I have attempted to assist others in need when I could in responding to queries that I had good knowledge and experience in but otherwise have been quiet except to buy some items from a few in the group. Hope that you will consider my late vote. Best Regards to Happy Holidays to All! Art Cooper Richardson, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57595	From: race944t	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: 314AW - Stronger control

Rhett: I should have known you would have the answer. I'm seeing Joe in Richmond this weekend at the Greenberg show. (I bit the bullet and bought 3 tables, some of these trains have just gotta go!) If he has them for sale, I'll buy one, especially if manufactured in the Rhett & Joanna exclusive, super secret, Santa's workshop down your basement, around the corner through the first room and into the next. Happy Holidays to you and Joanna and I'll see you soon. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: > > > - GreetingS - > > Ron Inscho, you are right on target. Banker Bill has a controller that > has gotten weak. The old selenium diodes develop a bit of voltage drop > in both directions. The consequence is rather little DC offset. An > alternative controller can be made with a SPDT switch and a D cell or > two. Transformer lead to center terminal of switch, track lead directly > to one side, and track lead thru the D cell to the other side of the > switch. On the direct side the track gets plain vanilla AC. No whistle. > Switch on the other side and the track gets a sinusoid boosted upward > by 1.5 V on maybe positive half of sinusoid and reduced in magnitude by > 1.5 V on negative half. This 3 V difference has operated AM GG1 and > Lionel EP-5? horns and bells (by reversing the D cell) with no problem. > The switch should throw quickly. The reverser on the Lionel was too > eager, occasionally going to neutral when the switch was thrown. There > is an easy way around this. > > Joe Haenn has another of my controllers built with all diodes. It works > best with four diodes in one direction and one in the opposite direction. > > Bill, you are welcome to try mine and likely welcome to try Joe's. I'll > have to draw a decent schematic and put it in pdf format for those who > may be interested. > > CheerS, > > Rhett >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57596	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Big Boy Questions

Hi, Got my big boy today. The bottom of the tender has a two position slide switch. It is marked Rail and Signal. I saw no mentioned of it in the manual. What is the switch used for? What looks like a rivit setting tool was included with my engine. Does anybody know what this is for? Thanks, Lou Baldi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57597	From: templetonlou	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: BB tender fix

I was having trouble with the BB tender going through Tom's turnouts and also riding up the rails on curves when going in reverse. I'm using SHS flex track with a minimum radius of 24" on one curve only. The problem of going through the turnouts was to regauge the tender wheels using a 23/32" piece of plywood between the wheels as a gauge.To solve the backing problem, I moved the flanged wheelsets in one space on both ends of the stationary truck and put the blind wheelsets on each end. This shortened the wheelbase on the stationary truck thus making it eaiser for the stationary truck to negotiate the curves in reverse. I hope this helps anyone having this problem. I was just wondering if maybe the flanged wheelsets were incorrectly instaled. If anyone has it different, I would be pleased to know. My thanks also goes out to Tom Stoltz for his help and advise. Lou Templeton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57598	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Questions

Lou, Signal Sounds is Whistle and Bell sounds only. I think the wrench is for the side rod screws. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lou342ac Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Questions Hi, Got my big boy today. The bottom of the tender has a two position slide switch. It is marked Rail and Signal. I saw no mentioned of it in the manual. What is the switch used for? What looks like a rivit setting tool was included with my engine. Does anybody know what this is for? Thanks, Lou Baldi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57599	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/14/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Closed

I think some of the members might not have understood what "making it private" means. It wouldn't mean that the members couldn't do whatever they do now, only that non-members couldn't read our messages and get our email addresses and then deluge us with annoying and insulting email messages or spam us. Some of us have been deluged with insulting messages from one particular person every time we post something. It probably isn't a big deal as those who get these messages can just delete them or deal with them with their ISP's features. I do have to say that the moderators have done a really good job of keeping out the spam sent to the list itself. This is a real problem with some other lists. Dale Smith Coopers wrote: > > > Good Evening All! > > Statistically, I am with the "don't care" class in that I missed the > message concerning the poll and did not respond. If I had noted the > message, I would have indicated "open - stay as is." I have come to > enjoy the tech help and camaraderie of this group. I am a "part-time" > Flyer junkie with my hobby time split between Flyer "S" trains and RC > activities. I have attempted to assist others in need when I could in > responding to queries that I had good knowledge and experience in but > otherwise have been quiet except to buy some items from a few in the > group. > > Hope that you will consider my late vote. > > Best Regards to Happy Holidays to All! > > Art Cooper > Richardson, TX > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57600	From: race944t	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Our "friend"

Well up until now, I've been mostly ignored by our "friend". (I got 3 today.) But I just clicked "spam" on my Norton Internet Security program and it asked me if I wanted to report him to Norton. Of course I said "yes". If anyone else happens to be using a Norton program and can report him as spam, it might get uploaded into that great database in the sky and put this poor lonely, insecure individual out of business. (At least with this e-mail address)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57601	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Closed

Hi Dale, � I agree with you 100%.  I most likely receive more of those emails than any other person in the group.  If that person continues to send me emails, I will take necessary action to have these ceased.  This S group is a really nice and friendly group.  Members seem to have a lot of fun discussing their layouts and their collections.  Everyone tries to help each other with their problems.  I enjoy reading the messages. � Tom Seccia --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Poll Is Closed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:38 PM   I think some of the members might not have understood what "making it private" means. It wouldn't mean that the members couldn't do whatever they do now, only that non-members couldn't read our messages and get our email addresses and then deluge us with annoying and insulting email messages or spam us. Some of us have been deluged with insulting messages from one particular person every time we post something. It probably isn't a big deal as those who get these messages can just delete them or deal with them with their ISP's features. I do have to say that the moderators have done a really good job of keeping out the spam sent to the list itself. This is a real problem with some other lists. Dale Smith Coopers wrote: > > > Good Evening All! > > Statistically, I am with the "don't care" class in that I missed the > message concerning the poll and did not respond. If I had noted the > message, I would have indicated "open - stay as is." I have come to > enjoy the tech help and camaraderie of this group. I am a "part-time" > Flyer junkie with my hobby time split between Flyer "S" trains and RC > activities. I have attempted to assist others in need when I could in > responding to queries that I had good knowledge and experience in but > otherwise have been quiet except to buy some items from a few in the > group. > > Hope that you will consider my late vote. > > Best Regards to Happy Holidays to All! > > Art Cooper > Richardson, TX > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57602	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Poll Is Closed

Just wait till you get hit with emails from a certain person reading these in the Public aspect of things. then you might change your tune. LOL but I got the problem solved as several emailed they did what I did. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Coopers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Poll Is Closed Good Evening All! Statistically, I am with the "don't care" class in that I missed the message concerning the poll and did not respond. If I had noted the message, I would have indicated "open - stay as is." I have come to enjoy the tech help and camaraderie of this group. I am a "part-time" Flyer junkie with my hobby time split between Flyer "S" trains and RC activities. I have attempted to assist others in need when I could in responding to queries that I had good knowledge and experience in but otherwise have been quiet except to buy some items from a few in the group. Hope that you will consider my late vote. Best Regards to Happy Holidays to All! Art Cooper Richardson, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57603	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Our "friend"

LOL Welcome to the club for no fault of your own, as I too, have gotten 3 in one day. Let's see if someone can go for a record 4 in one day. Since I did what I did to block him, as he probably is still sending me emails, it has been very quiet from him. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: race944t To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Our "friend" Well up until now, I've been mostly ignored by our "friend". (I got 3 today.) But I just clicked "spam" on my Norton Internet Security program and it asked me if I wanted to report him to Norton. Of course I said "yes". If anyone else happens to be using a Norton program and can report him as spam, it might get uploaded into that great database in the sky and put this poor lonely, insecure individual out of business. (At least with this e-mail address) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Fw: Harassment (KMM101368847V5229L0KM)

I am sorry that this discussion of the unwanted emails continue, but I did file a complaint with yahoo and I recommend all of you who get emails from him do this. Make sure yahoo understands that this is not a yahoo group issue but a issue between you and the unwanted emailer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yahoo! Mail" <mail-abuse@...-inc.com> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Harassment (KMM101368847V5229L0KM) > Hello Mike, > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Mail. > > If you continue to receive unwanted emails from a Yahoo! account you > have previously reported to us, please forward one of the more recent > emails to us for further evaluation. Please be sure to include the > following information to facilitate our evaluation: > > 1. Complete headers--Email programs often display abbreviated headers. > To learn how to display the full headers in a Yahoo! Mail account, > please visit the Yahoo! Mail Help Desk at: > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/config/config-11 > > If you are using a different client to read your email, please refer to > the URL below for information on how to obtain the full Internet headers > for your particular email program: > > http://www.haltabuse.org/help/headers/index.shtml > > 2. Complete message body--Please include the complete, unedited content > of the email message(s) in question. > > Please forward your report to: > > abuse@... > > Please understand that due to the nature of these types of reports, the > above information is necessary for investigation. We will not be able > to further evaluate your report if any of the required pieces of > information are missing. We are not able to make exceptions to this > rule. > > I await your response so I may investigate your issue. > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Mail. > > Regards, > > Turner > > Yahoo! Customer Care > > 66604058 > > For assistance with all Yahoo! services please visit: > > http://help.yahoo.com/ > > > > > Original Message Follows: > ------------------------- > > No, my question was never answered as I only got the run around from > Yahoo. > Again, it had nothing to do with a chat group, just between me and > someone > who used Yahoo for his email server. I got problem solved with my > email > provider Verizon. I don't think the people at Yahoo understood what my > > > complaint was about. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yahoo! Mail" <mail-abuse@...-inc.com> > To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: Harassment (KMM101240581V65344L0KM) > > >> Hello Mike, >> >> Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Mail. >> >> We're glad to hear that your question has been answered. If there's >> anything else we can help you with, please let us know. >> >> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Mail. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jackson >> >> Yahoo! Customer Care >> >> 66604058 >> >> For assistance with all Yahoo! services please visit: >> >> http://help.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Original Message Follows: >> ------------------------- >> >> Problem is solved. Verizon helped me make that email address spam, > so >> I >> will never see them again. >> >> Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Yahoo! Mail" <mail-abuse@...-inc.com> >> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> >> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:05 AM >> Subject: Re: Harassment (KMM101167970V53854L0KM) >> >> >>> Hello Michael, >>> >>> Thank you for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. Before I go into >>> addressing your concern, I'd like to first apologize for the delay in >> my >>> responding to your inquiry. We are committed to answering your >> questions >>> as quickly and accurately as possible. However, we are currently >>> receiving unusually high volumes which caused the delayed response. >>> >>> Mass distribution of unsolicited email messages (or "Spamming") >> violates >>> the Yahoo! Terms of Service (TOS). >>> >>> Please include the following in your report of email abuse to assist >> us >>> in a prompt and full investigation: >>> >>> 1. Original subject line. >>> >>> - Please forward the email with a subject identical to the original >>> subject. >>> >>> 2. Complete headers. >>> >>> - Email programs often display abbreviated headers. To learn how to >>> display the full headers in a Yahoo! Mail account, please visit the >>> Yahoo! Mail Help Desk at: >>> >>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/basics/basics-31.html >>> >>> If you are using a different client to read your email, please > consult >>> your email program's help system for more information on viewing full >>> headers. >>> >>> 3. Complete message body. >>> >>> - Please include the complete, unedited content of the email message >> in >>> question. Please do not change or edit the message in any way. >>> >>> If reports of email abuse are missing any one of these three items, > it >>> may take longer for the Yahoo! Mail Abuse Team to properly > investigate >>> and take appropriate action. We appreciate your efforts in reporting >>> this abuse to Yahoo!. >>> >>> At this time, we will need you to forward a copy of the message, as >>> opposed to sending it as an attachment. Due to security purposes, our >>> custom messaging system is unable to access attachments. >>> >>> Please forward your report to: >>> >>> abuse@... >>> >>> You may also visit the following website for useful tools to combat >>> spam: >>> >>> http://antispam.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> I await your response so I may investigate your issue. >>> >>> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Mail. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Addley >>> >>> Yahoo! Customer Care >>> >>> 66604058 >>> >>> For assistance with all Yahoo! services please visit: >>> >>> http://help.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Original Message Follows: >>> ------------------------- >>> >>> >>> hi, >>> >>> Thank you for the reply. >>> >>> I am not sure what Yahoo messenger is. >>> >>> I have verizon and this person has yahoo for emailing people. >>> >>> I get unwanted emails from him daily, sometimes 2 to 3 times aday. >>> >>> I just want you to contact this person and tell him to stop, as I >> think >>> you >>> have the ability to discontinue his email address or using Yahoo > again >>> for >>> email. >>> >>> They are not life threatening but they are mean and unwanted. I do >> not >>> email this person, as he reads emails on a yahoo chat group which he >> is >>> not >>> a member of. The site is open to the public to read all messages. >>> Example: >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "polpolk9" <polpolk9@...> >>> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:40 AM >>> Subject: stupid context >>> >>> >>> do something else--will yeah instead of em's on here! >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> I am tired of getting things like above, as I do have him block, but >>> they >>> end up in the delete box, which I still see. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Mike Marmer >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Yahoo! Messenger" <messenger-new-abuse@...-inc.com> >>> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: Harassment (KMM100941592V53047L0KM) >>> >>> >>>> Dear Michael, >>>> >>>> Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Messenger. >>>> >>>> I understand that you are receiving unwanted messages. If possible >>> (and >>>> if you haven't already), please provide us a copy of the harassment. >>>> >>>> You may do this by sending us a copy of the chat log file. >>>> >>>> To do this you must turn on Chat Archiving in your Messenger >> software. >>>> >>>> While in Messenger: >>>> >>>> - Click on "Messenger" at the top of the client. >>>> >>>> - Click on "Preferences." >>>> >>>> - Click on "Archive." >>>> >>>> - Select "Yes, save all of my messages." >>>> >>>> - Click the "Apply" button. >>>> >>>> - Click the "OK" button. >>>> >>>> If the abuse occurs again, please copy and paste the contents of the >>>> archive with that particular user into your email to us. >>>> >>>> To view your archived chat: >>>> >>>> While in Messenger: >>>> >>>> - Click on "Messenger" at the top of the client. >>>> >>>> - Click on "Preferences." >>>> >>>> - Click on "Archive." >>>> >>>> - Click on the "View Archive" button. >>>> >>>> - Select the user you are reporting from the list in the left > window. >>>> >>>> - Copy and Paste the offending text into an email to us. >>>> >>>> If another user has threatened you with any type of physical >> violence, >>>> we recommend contacting your local police department and informing >>> them >>>> of the situation as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Messenger. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Richie Valley >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Customer Care >>>> >>>> 66604058 >>>> >>>> For assistance with all Yahoo! services please visit: >>>> >>>> http://help.yahoo.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Original Message Follows: >>>> ------------------------- >>>> >>>> Mail-Id: >>>> >>> >> > w1.help.re1.yahoo.com-/l/us/yahoo/messenger/messenger9/abuse9.html-12599 >>>> 85527-2099 >>>> >>>> 1. What can we help you with? >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Subject: Harassment >>>> >>>> Violator's Yahoo! ID: polpolk9@... >>>> >>>> I have asked this person to stop emailing me. he keeps > emailing >>>> me harrassing emails. >>>> >>>> I am not sending him emails directly from a chat group list. >>>> >>>> www.emailabuse.com said to contact the email provider of the person >>>> which is yahoo. >>>> >>>> I am getting tired of this, even when they go to my delete box, as >>> that >>>> how I have this email address set up but I still see them. This has >>>> nothing to do with yahoo groups. this is a matter between him ,me >> and >>>> yahoo.com. >>>> >>>> example: ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "polpolk9" <polpolk9@...> >>>> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:40 AM >>>> Subject: stupid context >>>> >>>> >>>> do something else--will yeah instead of em's on here! >>>> >>>> 2. How may we contact you? >>>> --------------------------- >>>> Name: Michael Marmer >>>> >>>> Email Address: mlmarmer@... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Information Passed In": >>>> ------------------------ >>>> "from_url" : >>>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/messenger/contactus/mstamscccinfo.html >>>> ------------------------ >>>> >>>> While Viewing: >>>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/messenger/contactus/mstamscccinfo.html >>>> >>>> Form Name: >>>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/messenger/messenger9/abuse9.html >>>> >>>> Yahoo ID: >>>> >>>> Other ID: polpolk9@... : Other id provided Yahoo id from form >>>> >>> >> > "https://amt.yahoo.com/amt/dosearch?.token=F4OUwLHjSmc7ATTVz3Ya_wfeptBhF >>>> IgYcNZHtucGTfXwMDHBGEyOBA--" >>>> >>>> >>>> Machine: PC >>>> >>>> OS: WinXP >>>> >>>> Browser: IE 8.0 >>>> >>>> REMOTE_ADDR: 71.191.104.132 >>>> >>>> REMOTE_HOST: pool-71-191-104-132.washdc.east.verizon.net >>>> >>>> Date Originated: Friday December 4, 2009 - 19:58:47 >>>> >>>> Cookies: enabled >>>> >>>> AOL: no >>>> >>>> ------- >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57605	From: mike jones	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

Thanks everyone. i decided to go with the flyonel 2-8-2 Mikado. i was also thinking about getting the lionel trainmaster. do i need to get a new transformer? i am running a old AF transformer. cant remember the type off the top of my head but it is old. if i do need a new transformer what is a good cheap one that will work well with the trainmaster? Thanks Mike J. --- On Sat, 12/12/09, carl@... <carl@...> wrote: From: carl@... <carl@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] new locomotive To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 6:28 PM   Mike, American models steam locos do not have a detailed boiler backhead. They are however great locos and good runners. http://www.tuveson com/am-pacific/ am-nyc-rear. jpg The SHS steamer is detailed to the max. The Lionel s are also very detailed. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] new locomotive i am thinking about buying a new locomotive. I am not sure which company to go with eather Lionel American Flyer, American Models, and s-helper. I was thinking about American Model locomotive 4-6-2 but, i dont know if the inside of the cab is detailed like the S-helper 2-8-0 and the Flyonel locomotive. if anyone has a picture or could take one it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57606	From: teeb_1	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

Also see Files folder, "314AW Whistle in Tender" for info on 314AW whislte & control wiring.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57607	From: roninscho9	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think Lionel could do better ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57608	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy Operation

Has anyone tried running an AF Big Boy on S-Helper S-Trax? How did it do? Forward and reverse? Through S-Trax turn-outs both directions as well. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57609	From: Ben	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy questions

Well...I found a dealer that has a Big Boy available for me for $649, shipping included! I think that is a good price from what I am seeing if other dealers even have them available!! Very excited... I am wondering if these run OK on regualar AF track diameter? (I think it was doing so on the Lionel display layout at York.) I actually run Tru-Scale and Bob Peare switches and Tru-Scale and American S Gauge track. I am not too worried about tunnel clearances (Styrofoam can be shaved and repainted!!), but want to be sure my 54" R track will suffice. Please advise, all you current BB owners! Thanks!! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57610	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: An unusual piece of AF track ?

In a big box with roadbed and track I have found a piece I cannot identify. It has a black plastic base much like the base of an AF 90 degree crossing. It has two inner rails, both metal with plastic on the ends. It has two electrical terminals. It does not look like it could be an uncoupler. Occasionally I have purchsed the 716 automatic coal unloading car only to find it had a activation mechanism under one of the trucks, rather than the activation lever that protrudes from the side of the trucks. I wonder if my unusual piece of track is a device to activate that kind of action car? I hope someone can tell me what this is. Thanks - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57611	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: new locomotive

i decided to go with the flyonel 2-8-2 Mikado. Choose one since the NYC and B&O mikes. They were improved upon in the UP, PRR, Southern, etc. and all subsequent Pacifics. More robust chuff cherry switch, pilot electrical pick-up, better smoke unit voltage regulation for examples. I have 2 NYC and a B&O and others since. The early models are of road names I like, but the latter releases are more dependable. I'd say use a 16B or bigger for TMCC/Legacy, depending on the size and complexity of your layout you may need more than one and to use 18B or 30B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57612	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Video tour of the San Diego S-Gaugers layout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo72CCp1Ip0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57613	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

Chalk up another strange condition for the newer stuff out of China. I keep reminding myself to be more open-minded about imports, but this is just one more example. I've had three-year-old wiring that mysteriously disintegrate in a passenger car. Makes no sense. Anyhow, people seem to love the SHS trucks, so you might convert to those, but I sympathize with you on losing the money and having to repair new stock. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:36:52 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] flyonel trucks falling apart ? I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think Lionel could do better ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57614	From: Dave	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: #930 AF, #930 AFL, #934 AFL Caboose Decals

We now offer decals in "WHITE" for the American Flyer Cabooses numbered AMERICAN FLYER 930 (car red in color not tuscan), AMERICAN FLYER LINES #930 (car tuscan in color) and one of the hardest ones to find AMERICAN FLYER LINES #934 (car red in color). Dave LBR Restoratins U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57615	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ?

Earl, That's it, all you need is a button to activate the 716 side coal hopper..I think its called the between-rail pick up.. Don To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: tennsgauge@... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:32:44 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] An unusual piece of AF track ? In a big box with roadbed and track I have found a piece I cannot identify. It has a black plastic base much like the base of an AF 90 degree crossing. It has two inner rails, both metal with plastic on the ends. It has two electrical terminals. It does not look like it could be an uncoupler. Occasionally I have purchsed the 716 automatic coal unloading car only to find it had a activation mechanism under one of the trucks, rather than the activation lever that protrudes from the side of the trucks. I wonder if my unusual piece of track is a device to activate that kind of action car? I hope someone can tell me what this is. Thanks - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57616	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ?

Mr. Earl Henry: It is the activation track for the coal unloader you describe. It precedes I believe the side mounting activation rails that clip onto AF track. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from tennsgauge@...: -------------- In a big box with roadbed and track I have found a piece I cannot identify. It has a black plastic base much like the base of an AF 90 degree crossing. It has two inner rails, both metal with plastic on the ends. It has two electrical terminals. It does not look like it could be an uncoupler. Occasionally I have purchsed the 716 automatic coal unloading car only to find it had a activation mechanism under one of the trucks, rather than the activation lever that protrudes from the side of the trucks. I wonder if my unusual piece of track is a device to activate that kind of action car? I hope someone can tell me what this is. Thanks - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57617	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

I had it happen the PVMR's LIONEL A/F Walking Brakeman car, during a show. Impressive, to say the least. Sideframe just fell off, derailed the train. Don't feel I should have to fix their mistakes, OR pay to ship it back to them. It only runs several days yr, stored the rest of the time. Shades of Lionel in the nineties, IF it was together coming out of the box, you were already ahead. BTW, regular cars from the 1946 molds with the 1948 stamped steel floors are now 70 bucks. Several yrs a go a "freshfaced lad" at York told me they had to "recoup" their tooling costs. The beat goes on. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/15/2009 1:15:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ronnat@... writes: I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think Lionel could do better ? ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57618	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: An unusual piece of AF track ?

You have assumed exactly right, Earl. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts.com www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57619	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

If it were me, I'd change the trucks out to SHS freight trucks. Steve In a message dated 12/15/2009 11:14:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, ronnat@... writes: I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think Lionel could do better ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57620	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: 2009 S Helper Christmas Car

Hi Roger, The car is in the mail. There is a check for you for 4 dollars postage overage. Thanks for sending 10 for the additional postage to be sure. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Dumas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Mike Payment will be in today's mail. Thank you. Roger Dumas 98 Allen Street Rutland, VT 05701 ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/14/2009 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Roger, It is. Send me a check for 95 and I will send you the difference back in the shipping, as I know it will not cost 10, but I don't want to go back and forth to see how much it would be. Mike Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane Germantown, MD 20874. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Dumas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car Mike If available I'll take it. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2009 S Helper Christmas Car I have one S Helper Christmas Car 2009 for sale. $85 plus shipping. New in box, never taken out. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57621	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big Boy > at > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm > > Carl > Great pics, Carl. I was wondering how long it would take to see some photos of the inside of this beast. I like the resistor add--out of the box, the thing looks like someone is slamming on the brakes!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57622	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy Rake

I have seen two of the Big Boys and it looks like the boiler is lower in the rear. An engine in this price range and they can't get it level. I remember some of the early GP-7's were like that but it was a simple fix to add a fiber washer or two to get it level. Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57623	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ? THANKS FOR THE ANSWER !

Thanks so much to Bob Moyer and Don Rodgers who answered my question. - Earl Henry In a message dated 12/15/2009 2:37:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, romoyer@... writes: Mr. Earl Henry: It is the activation track for the coal unloader you describe. It precedes I believe the side mounting activation rails that clip onto AF track. Regards Bob Moyer ------------------------<WBR>-- Original _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) : ------------: In a big box with roadbed and track I have found a piece I cannot identify. It has a black plastic base much like the base of an AF 90 degree crossing. It has two inner rails, both metal with plastic on the ends. It has two electrical terminals. It does not look like it could be an uncoupler. Occasionally I have purchsed the 716 automatic coal unloading car only to find it had a activation mechanism under one of the trucks, rather than the activation lever that protrudes from the side of the trucks. I wonder if my unusual piece of track is a device to activate that kind of action car? I hope someone can tell me what this is. Thanks - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57624	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

I agree. Here's a AF 942 of mine with SHS trucks ..... makes for close coupling but I've never had a problem. Hope the link works: AF942_with_SHS_truckscouplers.sized.jpg Rick > If it were me, I'd change the trucks out to SHS freight trucks. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 12/15/2009 11:14:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > ronnat@... writes: > > > > > I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have > never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , > poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy > trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think > Lionel could do better ? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57625	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

Thanks for the info and a look inside......the LED mod looks simple and effective. Butch ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 5:33:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Inside the Big Boy For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big Boy at http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ inside_the_ big_boy.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57626	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

Lets' try THIS link! http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Rolling-Stock/AF942_with_SHS_truckscouplers Rick > > I agree. > Here's a AF 942 of mine with SHS trucks ..... makes for close coupling but I've never > had a problem. > Hope the link works: > AF942_with_SHS_truckscouplers.sized.jpg > > Rick > >> If it were me, I'd change the trucks out to SHS freight trucks. >> >> Steve >> >> >> In a message dated 12/15/2009 11:14:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, >> ronnat@... writes: >> >> >> >> >> I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have >> never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , >> poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy >> trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think >> Lionel could do better ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57627	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Rake

I looked the boiler over very carefully and took measurements to see if it was really raked. If you measure at the band just at the rear of the rear sand dome and compare it to the one just in front of the front sand dome they are virtually identical and level. If you look at the bottom of the boiler casting and measure from the front toward the rear the casting does have a slope to it there. If you measure the handrails there is a slope to those. That adds to the illusion. Also part of the boiler narrows the closer you get to the rear. The combined effect is an optical illusion for the most part, as I said the top of boiler is level at the sand domes. All that said it would be a simple mater of adding a shim washer under the rear motor mount. There is enough play to add a few thousands shim washer. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ron_tallyho Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Rake I have seen two of the Big Boys and it looks like the boiler is lower in the rear. An engine in this price range and they can't get it level. I remember some of the early GP-7's were like that but it was a simple fix to add a fiber washer or two to get it level. Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57628	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

Did not work for me. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX ________________________________ From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 2:45:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyonel trucks falling apart ? I agree. Here's a  AF 942 of mine with SHS trucks ..... makes for close coupling but I've never had a problem. Hope the link works: AF942_with_SHS_truckscouplers.sized.jpg Rick > If it were me, I'd change the trucks out to SHS freight trucks. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 12/15/2009 11:14:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  > ronnat@... writes: > > > > > I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have  > never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , > poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy > trick  are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think > Lionel  could do better ? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57629	From: Nick	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

I have recently "returned" to American Flyer after being an HO Scale modeler for the past 35 years. My daughter inherited her Godfather's collection when he passed a year ago. When she asked to "see them run", I built a 16' X 6' layout. I also brought my old equipment out of their boxes and did a lot of cleaning and repairing to bring them back to operational ability. In the inheritance was a crane without a boom car. I located a new AF boom car for it and was totally shocked when I took it out of the box after it arrived. I experienced the "broken truck" syndrome as well. Fortunately, the seller had a second car and replaced it. Obviously, the tradition of "toys that last" has gone the way of the profiteer. It is truly a shame that I have equipment from the 1940's that is still fully functional after years of playtime but the new products don't even make it through the packaging process. Obviously, Made in the USA is a bygone era. China makes the rules now. Disappointed, Nick Kulp > > I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think Lionel could do better ? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57630	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart?

Nope. Never. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/15/2009 4:57:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57631	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: BB Tender fix -- Digest Number 4709

Lou, Good tip. I found that after swapping just the rear flanged wheel set with the rear blind wheel set and checking the gauge for all flanged wheels, my sample will go through curved No. 720s easily. Performing the swap at both ends of the fixed truck made the tender 'too tippy'. I can now back my Big Boy through a transition "S" from an inner to an out loop with a 3" straight easement between the two 720 turnouts. Its rather fun to watch and hear the beast labor back through transition S's at "Restricted" Legacy speed. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/15/2009 6:28:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I was having trouble with the BB tender going through Tom's turnouts and also riding up the rails on curves when going in reverse. I'm using SHS flex track with a minimum radius of 24" on one curve only. The problem of going through the turnouts was to regauge the tender wheels using a 23/32" piece of plywood between the wheels as a gauge.To solve the backing problem, I moved the flanged wheelsets in one space on both ends of the stationary truck and put the blind wheelsets on each end. This shortened the wheelbase on the stationary truck thus making it eaiser for the stationary truck to negotiate the curves in reverse. I hope this helps anyone having this problem. I was just wondering if maybe the flanged wheelsets were incorrectly instaled. If anyone has it different, I would be pleased to know. My thanks also goes out to Tom Stoltz for his help and advise. Lou Templeton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57632	From: rick gough	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

Hi, Just curious if you race a 944? I'm an SCCA Datsun 510 racer. Rick rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Mon, 12/14/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 314 AW coil problem? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 3:48 AM Junk Score: 3 out of 10 (below your Auto Allow threshold) | Approve sender | Block sender | Block domain [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57633	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Our "friend"

In the past I received numerous emails from this "gentleman" but after putting a block on him the vitriol ceased. Good luck with the block.   Bob   BTW I love 944s. I own a very nice 84 . Great cars. --- On Mon, 12/14/09, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Our "friend" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:47 PM   Well up until now, I've been mostly ignored by our "friend". (I got 3 today.) But I just clicked "spam" on my Norton Internet Security program and it asked me if I wanted to report him to Norton. Of course I said "yes". If anyone else happens to be using a Norton program and can report him as spam, it might get uploaded into that great database in the sky and put this poor lonely, insecure individual out of business. (At least with this e-mail address) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57634	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy observations

I'm sure this might upset a few people, but I can't hold back any longer. Compared to Flyonel's nicely done USRA Mikado and Pacific, the Big Boy looks rather "toy like." The Northern, coming from the old molds, actually represents it's prototype better proportionally. While some of the dimensions are supposed to be close to correct, overall the PROPORTIONS are wrong. The boiler sits just too high above the drivers, it has the oft commented "rake", and has less detail than the Mikado or Pacific. The tender is really poorly done, riding too high and is much too short. Sadly, this engine has more of the chunky profile of an articulated logging locomotive, not the long, stylish look ALCO gave the real Big Boys. Still, it is the only ready to run S gauge articulated loco availible and priced well! It runs great on the new TMCC, sounds good and smokes well. And it will takes curves where a scale Big Boy would fear to tread. I guess I just feel disappointed that since they ended up not using the K-line engine and built this from the ground-up, they didn't do as nice a job as they did on the Mikado and Pacific. Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire retartdant suit right now...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57635	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart?

The only time I had a truck fall apart on me from Flyonel, new production was on the remake for the Erie Action car in changing the wheels, as I went from AF/L to S Helper wheels. I think the S Helper Wheels caused the truck to fall apart. LOL Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rbubeck327@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: flyonel trucks falling apart? Nope. Never. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/15/2009 4:57:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57636	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: HO

I just aquired a large box of HO & most is Flasshman from Germany. It is All metal, can someone give me some info on it? Off list. Also a couple of brass engines. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57637	From: Matthew	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations

"... priced well"? I don't know, $800 seems like a lot to me. You could buy 2 vintage Northerns or NP switchers or 3 Hudsons. Do we all like the new stuff? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this might upset a few people, but I can't hold back any longer. Compared to Flyonel's nicely done USRA Mikado and Pacific, the Big Boy looks rather "toy like." > The Northern, coming from the old molds, actually represents it's prototype better proportionally. While some of the dimensions are supposed to be close to correct, overall the PROPORTIONS are wrong. > The boiler sits just too high above the drivers, it has the oft commented "rake", and has less detail than the Mikado or Pacific. The tender is really poorly done, riding too high and is much too short. > Sadly, this engine has more of the chunky profile of an articulated logging locomotive, not the long, stylish look ALCO gave the real Big Boys. > Still, it is the only ready to run S gauge articulated loco availible and priced well! It runs great on the new TMCC, sounds good and smokes well. And it will takes curves where a scale Big Boy would fear to tread. > I guess I just feel disappointed that since they ended up not using the K-line engine and built this from the ground-up, they didn't do as nice a job as they did on the Mikado and Pacific. > Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire retartdant suit right now...in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57638	From: N Becker	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Big Boy Operation

Will it run on original AF track and switches? How about using MRC Pure Power or Dual Power transformers? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57639	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this might upset a few people, but I can't hold back any longer. Compared to Flyonel's nicely done USRA Mikado and Pacific, the Big Boy looks rather "toy like." > The Northern, coming from the old molds, actually represents it's prototype better proportionally. While some of the dimensions are supposed to be close to correct, overall the PROPORTIONS are wrong. > The boiler sits just too high above the drivers, it has the oft commented "rake", and has less detail than the Mikado or Pacific. The tender is really poorly done, riding too high and is much too short. > Sadly, this engine has more of the chunky profile of an articulated logging locomotive, not the long, stylish look ALCO gave the real Big Boys. > Still, it is the only ready to run S gauge articulated loco availible and priced well! It runs great on the new TMCC, sounds good and smokes well. And it will takes curves where a scale Big Boy would fear to tread. > I guess I just feel disappointed that since they ended up not using the K-line engine and built this from the ground-up, they didn't do as nice a job as they did on the Mikado and Pacific. > Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire retartdant suit right now...in Appalachia. > Stumpy, Lionel didn't do this engine from the ground up. This engine IS the K-Line big boy re-gauged with extra valve gear and the latest Railsounds/Legacy electronics. Many of the compromises built into the K-Line engine are present on this one, too. But, all in all, it is still very impressive and runs fantastic. Scott Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks

I had thought that there was something not quite right about the trailing trucks on the Big Boy. I think others may have mentioned it as well, but I just took a careful look: It appears that Lionel used the old K-Line tooling for the trailing truck yoke or whatever it is called, because it seriously overhangs the rails on either side. One of the guys at the LHS said that he thought a trailing truck from an original Flyer 4-8-4 would probably look about right, for about $20. I also wonder if the trailing truck from one of the Flyonel UP Northerns would work. Anyone else bothered by the trailing trucks and if so, any other solutions? I suppose if enough people did a ³class action complaint² Lionel might issue a correct set of trucks. They did in fact send free of charge replacement drivers for an O gauge Hudson of a few years back. Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57641	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/15/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations

I was disappointed in the BB detailing, or lack thereof, as well. One has to wonder about the compromises that were made to get the BB produced. They did not make it for the younggins, but for more, ahem, mature train guys like myself. So why then make it somewhat toy train like? Compared to original Flyer steamers, the detailing is far and away better on the Flyonel BB. But then again we aren¹t paying original Flyer prices (see above). And yes, $800 is a lot of money to me, but next to the $3,000 Sunset brass BB of some years back, the Flyonel seems like a steal. As I mentioned in a previous email, I don¹t like the trailing truck overhang. Looks kinda dorky. Roy Inman on 12/15/09 7:17 PM, Matthew at mkperks@... wrote: > > > > > > > > "... priced well"? I don't know, $800 seems like a lot to me. You could buy 2 > vintage Northerns or NP switchers or 3 Hudsons. Do we all like the new stuff? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: >> > >> > I'm sure this might upset a few people, but I can't hold back any longer. >> Compared to Flyonel's nicely done USRA Mikado and Pacific, the Big Boy looks >> rather "toy like." >> > The Northern, coming from the old molds, actually represents it's prototype >> better proportionally. While some of the dimensions are supposed to be close >> to correct, overall the PROPORTIONS are wrong. >> > The boiler sits just too high above the drivers, it has the oft commented >> "rake", and has less detail than the Mikado or Pacific. The tender is really >> poorly done, riding too high and is much too short. >> > Sadly, this engine has more of the chunky profile of an articulated logging >> locomotive, not the long, stylish look ALCO gave the real Big Boys. >> > Still, it is the only ready to run S gauge articulated loco availible and >> priced well! It runs great on the new TMCC, sounds good and smokes well. >> And it will takes curves where a scale Big Boy would fear to tread. >> > I guess I just feel disappointed that since they ended up not using the >> K-line engine and built this from the ground-up, they didn't do as nice a job >> as they did on the Mikado and Pacific. >> > Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire retartdant suit right now...in >> Appalachia. >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57642	From: Bruce	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

Gotta love free trade (and the lack of pride in workmanship). Don't shoot the messenger, just accept our obvious fate. We are not what we were. A.C. Gilbert and Joshua Lionel Cowan are probably rolling over in their graves. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyonel trucks falling apart ? Chalk up another strange condition for the newer stuff out of China. I keep reminding myself to be more open-minded about imports, but this is just one more example. I've had three-year-old wiring that mysteriously disintegrate in a passenger car. Makes no sense. Anyhow, people seem to love the SHS trucks, so you might convert to those, but I sympathize with you on losing the money and having to repair new stock. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:36:52 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] flyonel trucks falling apart ? I have quite a few of these recent A.F. by Lionel cars , most of them have never been out of the box , and yet the truck side frames are falling off , poor design ? anyone else have this problem ? other than doing the epoxy trick are there any other fixes ? at $40.00 to $60.00 for these cars I think Lionel could do better ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57643	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: An unusual piece of AF track ?

Hi Earl, � You are correct.  That is a Action Car Pick Up Track, used for 1946 and 1947 Action Cars.  Gilbert did not go to the outside pick rail until 1948.  In addition to the 716, this was used with 715, 717 & 718 Action Cars. Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 12/15/09, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: [S-Trains] An unusual piece of AF track ? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 12:32 PM   In a big box with roadbed and track I have found a piece I cannot identify. It has a black plastic base much like the base of an AF 90 degree crossing. It has two inner rails, both metal with plastic on the ends. It has two electrical terminals. It does not look like it could be an uncoupler. Occasionally I have purchsed the 716 automatic coal unloading car only to find it had a activation mechanism under one of the trucks, rather than the activation lever that protrudes from the side of the trucks. I wonder if my unusual piece of track is a device to activate that kind of action car? I hope someone can tell me what this is. Thanks - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57644	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: HO

Hi Mike, I believe the HO trains you have are spelled Fleischmann.  These are made in Germany.  I don't believe they have many pieces of USA Railroading. Should be all European prototypes.  Many people will pay some big bucks for these.  Very few dealers in the USA handles this line.  If you put it on ebay, you will get a lot of bids from overseas. � Tom Seccia --- On Tue, 12/15/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: HO To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 7:50 PM   I just aquired a large box of HO & most is Flasshman from Germany. It is All metal, can someone give me some info on it? Off list. Also a couple of brass engines. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57645	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > I had thought that there was something not quite right about the trailing > trucks on the Big Boy. I think others may have mentioned it as well, but I > just took a careful look: It appears that Lionel used the old K-Line tooling > for the trailing truck yoke or whatever it is called, because it seriously > overhangs the rails on either side. > > One of the guys at the LHS said that he thought a trailing truck from an > original Flyer 4-8-4 would probably look about right, for about $20. I also > wonder if the trailing truck from one of the Flyonel UP Northerns would > work. > > Anyone else bothered by the trailing trucks and if so, any other solutions? > > I suppose if enough people did a ³class action complaint² Lionel might issue > a correct set of trucks. They did in fact send free of charge replacement > drivers for an O gauge Hudson of a few years back. > > Roy Inman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I suspect the reason for the trailing truck overhang is so that the trucksides were not noticeably narrower than the centipede casting on the tender. The centipede is part of the tender casting and was made wide to accommodate O gauge wheelsets on the K-Line model. We obviously don't need such a generous truck width with S gauge, but retooling that die cast tender shell would have meant big bucks. All that said, I think you could still narrow the trailing truck about 1/8" per side and not have the thing look any sillier than it does now under close inspection. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57646	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks

I remember talking to a fellow at York who was doing the "o" to "S" conversions on the k-line big boy.. He was having problems, not with the engine, but with the tender... He said that when he converted the tender over the wheel spacing becoming narrower made the tender very "Unstable" and would roll over very easily... especially when backing up.... Maybe this is the reason why the trucks are still wide..... But that doesn't make much sense as remember the Northern tender used to run on "o" trucks too... But it was 3/16" SCALE!!!!!!  anyway... And the Big Boy is slightly Bigger... Will try to post a photo of the new BB beside the Sunset BB .... Bob Conner --- On Tue, 12/15/09, srgriggs <sgriggs@...> wrote: From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy trailing trucks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 11:53 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@.. .> wrote: > > I had thought that there was something not quite right about the trailing > trucks on the Big Boy. I think others may have mentioned it as well, but I > just took a careful look: It appears that Lionel used the old K-Line tooling > for the trailing truck yoke or whatever it is called, because it seriously > overhangs the rails on either side. > > One of the guys at the LHS said that he thought a trailing truck from an > original Flyer 4-8-4 would probably look about right, for about $20. I also > wonder if the trailing truck from one of the Flyonel UP Northerns would > work. > > Anyone else bothered by the trailing trucks and if so, any other solutions? > > I suppose if enough people did a ³class action complaint² Lionel might issue > a correct set of trucks. They did in fact send free of charge replacement > drivers for an O gauge Hudson of a few years back. > > Roy Inman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I suspect the reason for the trailing truck overhang is so that the trucksides were not noticeably narrower than the centipede casting on the tender. The centipede is part of the tender casting and was made wide to accommodate O gauge wheelsets on the K-Line model. We obviously don't need such a generous truck width with S gauge, but retooling that die cast tender shell would have meant big bucks. All that said, I think you could still narrow the trailing truck about 1/8" per side and not have the thing look any sillier than it does now under close inspection. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57647	From: race944t	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

Rick Yes, 944 Turbo, former SCCA Regional Exec, racer, F&C, etc. Got my start in old British sports cars. I know someone on this list is a member of the Jag group. Sorry, not train related, contact me off list if you want more details. "Banker" "SCCA racer" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Hi, > Just curious if you race a 944? I'm an SCCA Datsun 510 racer. > Rick > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57648	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Big Boy observations

According to the Lionel reps at York, the original K-Line boiler casting molds and a few other molds that could be used as well had to be redone. Everything else is new tooling to fit S gauge, because after starting the project they found a lot less of the K-Line engine was usable than they had expected. So far, the "street price" is around $675. to $700. for the Big Boy. I think that isn't bad at all for a ready to run articulated steam locomotive in S gauge. The alternative is buy brass for MUCH more, or build one yourself. And it has nice sound and smoke as well, which brass does not. And with the problems Lionel and other manufacturers are having with the Chinese factories, there is less likelihood of a second run soon. On the other hand, the proportions aren't right and expected detailing is lacking, possibly due to compromises in manufacture, so it disappoints me as to what it could have been. With the bar raised by their own Mikado and Pacific, the S-Helper Consolidation, and other fine looking steam locos availible today, this engine just doesn't measure up. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57649	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations

Nice balanced discussion of the BB Stumpy. And I suppose we all do get pretty picky pretty quickly (say that 10 times real fast). It has not been all that long since we had only one mass-produced, di-cast steam loco in S with any serious detailing-The AM Pacific. But now I am sort of like the guy who gets a scratch on the new car, and now all he sees is the scratch. All I see now is that big, weird-looking, overhanging trailing truck... Roy, who still has his Big Boy engine in the box, but staring at the one in the hobby shop, Inman -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com on 12/16/09 10:17 AM, mrstumpy50 at mrstumpy@... wrote: > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57650	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations

Fair enough, but a Big Boy designed and built from the flanges up to scale to the level of the Mikado would cost in the neighborhood of $1100 and would not likely negotiate traditional Gilbert curves. The AF Big Boy is to Flyer what roughly the Lionmaster "articulateds" are to traditional 3-rail O gauge. Recognizing the engine's "mission" might help folks understand the logic behind the piece. For S gauge operators, the plethora of very high quality features makes the AF Big Boy special and, at the moment, unique. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/16/2009 6:17:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I'm sure this might upset a few people, but I can't hold back any longer. Compared to Flyonel's nicely done USRA Mikado and Pacific, the Big Boy looks rather "toy like." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57651	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

Carl, Do you have a thought on what might be the best/easiest or least expensive (pick one or all three :) way to replace the oversized trailing trucks on the Big Boy? Seems to me that they are way too wide. Roy Inman on 12/14/09 4:33 PM, carl@... at carl@... wrote: > > > > > > For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big Boy > at > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm > > Carl > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57652	From: Monte	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observations

The original list price of premium American Flyer engines was in the $50 range. If they had made an articulated with the usual AF level of detail I would guess it would have cost at least $75. According to the US Government inflation calculator, something that cost $75 in 1950 would cost about $675 today. Considering the increased level of detail and TMMC, etc., the Lionel BB is a great value. I have some of Lionel's O gauge engines with the an even greater level of detail, but even with the larger market for O gauge engines the cost is about double that of the Flyonel BB. I doubt there would be much of a market for a superdetailed S guage BB at over $1500. Monte Heppe>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57653	From: grant	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: AF passnger truck question

I noticed some of the passenger trucks have a copper strip to conduct power from the tracks while others don't. The copper strip seems to work better than the nonstrips. Anyone add a strip or anything else that makes the lighting work better? Thanks! Grant

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57654	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: New AF UP coal hopper with American flag on the side panel

Are the side frames black as depicted by the artist's rendering in the catalog, or silver as the example/prototype of it had at York two months ago? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57655	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: BB's oversized truck

Is it possible that the over width trailing truck may be necessary to allow for extra lateral movement of the wheel sets under certain circumstances such as moving through a double switch? I haven't seen my BB yet as it is going from PA to CA and then to VA. I am hoping to have it by the weekend. Sam (impatiently waiting) Williamson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57656	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: HO

Some of the big bucks offers also come from former servicemen who bought these in the PX while serving in Germany. Another example of the nostalgia factor. Dale Smith Sheila Seccia wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > I believe the HO trains you have are spelled Fleischmann. These are > made in Germany. I don't believe they have many pieces of USA > Railroading. Should be all European prototypes. Many people will pay > some big bucks for these. Very few dealers in the USA handles this > line. If you put it on ebay, you will get a lot of bids from overseas. > � Tom Seccia > > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> > <anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>> wrote: > > From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> <anormal1@... > <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: HO > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 7:50 PM > > > > I just aquired a large box of HO & most is Flasshman from Germany. It is > > All metal, can someone give me some info on it? Off list. Also a > couple of > > brass engines. Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57657	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

Probably the easiest and most correct would be to use a trailing truck from the American Models Northern. But I suspect they will not sell them?? Could use a Lionel/AF Northern truck but it is not quite the right type. Otherwise you could cut down the BB truck but it requires a bit of machining. If that worked ok I would tackle the tender trucks too Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:53 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Inside the Big Boy Carl, Do you have a thought on what might be the best/easiest or least expensive (pick one or all three :) way to replace the oversized trailing trucks on the Big Boy? Seems to me that they are way too wide. Roy Inman on 12/14/09 4:33 PM, carl@... at carl@... wrote: > > > > > > For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big Boy > at > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm > > Carl > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57658	From: Dave	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: AF #24320 DEEP ROCK Tank Car Decals

We now have the decals for the American Flyer #24320 & #24321 DEEP ROCK black tank car. Both of these are in one set. These decals are located at our web site on page DECALS-2. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57659	From: glshultzsr	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Liquid Bearings Train Lube

Hi, Has anyone used this product with the needle point applicator? Its advertised as a synthetic lubricant superior to oil based lubricants. Its being sold on e-bay under the name " Liquid Bearings, BEST American Flyer train oil" among other various listings and uses. Just wondering if anyone knows if this product is as advertised. Sells for 5.99 plus shipping for one ounce needle point container. Thanks, G. L. Shultz Sr.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57660	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Gotta love free trade (and the lack of pride in workmanship). . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > If I, a citizen of these United States, design a product, write the specifications, and contract with somebody to build it, it doesn't matter whether I contract with Willie Smith, Paddy O'Ryan, Giuseppi Picollini, or Sun Yat Sen to build it, I am responsible for ultimate quality control, and I can't just take your money say blame some foreigner if it falls apart. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich -- USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57661	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Liquid Bearings Train Lube

I've been using it for about a couple of months now. Too soon to tell anything yet. So far so good. Daryl glshultzsr wrote: > > Hi, > Has anyone used this product with the needle point applicator? Its > advertised as a synthetic lubricant superior to oil based lubricants. > Its being sold on e-bay under the name " Liquid Bearings, BEST > American Flyer train oil" among other various listings and uses. > > Just wondering if anyone knows if this product is as advertised. > Sells for 5.99 plus shipping for one ounce needle point container. > Thanks, > G. L. Shultz Sr. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57662	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: flyonel trucks falling apart ?

Tom, Well said. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyonel trucks falling apart ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Gotta love free trade (and the lack of pride in workmanship). . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > If I, a citizen of these United States, design a product, write the specifications, and contract with somebody to build it, it doesn't matter whether I contract with Willie Smith, Paddy O'Ryan, Giuseppi Picollini, or Sun Yat Sen to build it, I am responsible for ultimate quality control, and I can't just take your money say blame some foreigner if it falls apart. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich -- USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57663	From: mike	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: trainmaster

thanks everyone for the recomindations for the new locomotive. i ordered a 2-8-2 flyonel. i am now thinking about getting the lionel train master. i have a few questions about it. the first is do i need a new transformer(i have a really old af one) and if so what do you all suggest? also what else do i need to know abot the trainmaster? Thinks, Mike J.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57664	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

Roy, I completed a conversion of a K-Line Big Boy to S Gauge about three years ago, and modified and reused all of the original hardware except the locomotive's lead truck. I cut the trailing truck and the tender lead truck down the middle and removed enough materal from each side to allow S Helper wheelsets to fit the K-Line journals when the two sides were reattached. The existing truck mounting system was retained. The five axle tender sideframes were another matter. Using a Dremel tool with a cutoff disk, I cut the sideframes from the tender, mounted each to an "L" shaped piece of plastic and remounted them to a modified tender frame. The five axle fixed truck was removed from the frame, modified to insulate the sides and reattached to carry S Helper wheelsets modified to collect current independently from each side. It is not a very big job to narrow the engine trailing truck and the tender lead truck. It is a much bigger job to narrow the five axle sideframes. I also lowered the locomotive and tender to scale height, but I do not recommend this for Lionel's Big Boy because of the amount of cutting and filing involved. My Big Boy runs smoothly, takes 24" radius curves easily, and 19" radius curves with some binding. At present, the locomotive has no sound system. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Carl, > Do you have a thought on what might be the best/easiest or least expensive > (pick one or all three :) way to replace the oversized trailing trucks on > the Big Boy? Seems to me that they are way too wide. > Roy Inman > > > on 12/14/09 4:33 PM, carl@... at carl@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big Boy > > at > > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57665	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: 314 AW coil problem?

race944t wrote: > Rick > > Yes, 944 Turbo, former SCCA Regional Exec, racer, F&C, etc. > > Got my start in old British sports cars. I know someone on this list is > a member of the Jag group. That might be me. I'm the list admin for e-type@.... I have a '70 e-type OTS as well as 2 Datsun 240Z's and a Datsun 260Z. Also have all of my old AF trains and Erector sets from my childhood as well. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57666	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: trainmaster

Hi Mike: Virtually any transformer will work.  All it does is supply the power. Three parts are needed to control the power going to the track.  First you need the controller (trainmaster) and second you need the wire that goes from the transformer to the controller and third you need the remote control unit (cab-1).  All cab-1 units are the same. Lionel number  6-12868. The only problem you have is that there are more than one controller units (trainmaster).  The one that works best is Lionel number 6-12867.  You will likely have problems if you use anything else because they require an additional piece, which most people don't need. The cable is lionel number 6-12893. They come is sets, but so do all the others.  If you buy them in a set you can easily end up with the wrong one.  If you do it will probably take you some time to figure out how to hook it up and that you need another piece before it will work (and it isn't cheap).  Al you need can usually be found on eBay.  Just search for it.  If you don't find it, way a few days and try again. You hook the special cable on to the transformer and run it to the controller.  Then you run two wires from it to the track.  Pretty simple.  Put some batteries in the cab-1 and turn on the transformer.  Follow the instructions on how to operate the cab-1 and you should be up and running. Len --- On Wed, 12/16/09, mike <civicman_97@...> wrote: From: mike <civicman_97@...> Subject: [S-Trains] trainmaster To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 4:08 PM   thanks everyone for the recomindations for the new locomotive. i ordered a 2-8-2 flyonel. i am now thinking about getting the lionel train master. i have a few questions about it. the first is do i need a new transformer( i have a really old af one) and if so what do you all suggest? also what else do i need to know abot the trainmaster? Thinks, Mike J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57667	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Liquid Bearings Train Lube

I've been using this lately. It is working fine, but I'll have better feedback after a few months, but up to now, I'm OK with it. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: glshultzsr To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Liquid Bearings Train Lube Hi, Has anyone used this product with the needle point applicator? Its advertised as a synthetic lubricant superior to oil based lubricants. Its being sold on e-bay under the name " Liquid Bearings, BEST American Flyer train oil" among other various listings and uses. Just wondering if anyone knows if this product is as advertised. Sells for 5.99 plus shipping for one ounce needle point container. Thanks, G. L. Shultz Sr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57668	From: kathre1	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

Being fortunate to have this, the biggest AF engine yet, I noticed something peculiar. This engine handles the tight AF radius well however... I have an AMP gauge monitoring the track and find that once this monster enters a turn at slow speed, it causes a momentary spike to 6 amps or more--not good. The engine pauses and restarts. Can this be some sort of short with a body contact or whatever? I'm trying to figure this out but the size of the engine coupled with an unfamiliarity as to electrical pickups and such--this could be a science project. Meanwhile, the first giveaway to the problem was a hum/vibration from the 30B indicating a surge--then I looked at the amp gauge. I appreciate Lionel's follow through in getting this engine to the retail market given how they backed out of the SD 40 years ago. Plus, it is rugged and handsome---it's a thumbs up from me. The only negatives from me are 1) the Legacy issue--you have to have Lionel's Legacy controller to fully enjoy the features? 2) Why did they stick a Lionel magnet coupler on the tender? Help! John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57669	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

John, Check the pickup wire on the front truck to see if it is loose. The wire is held on with a screw, be sure it is tight. The front truck is a pickup for one rail and the rear truck is a pickup for the other rail. Also look to see that all of the running gear, side rods etc. are in place and not loose. There are probably insulating washers in the rod assy and if they are loose they could short? Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kathre1 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY OPERATIONS Being fortunate to have this, the biggest AF engine yet, I noticed something peculiar. This engine handles the tight AF radius well however... I have an AMP gauge monitoring the track and find that once this monster enters a turn at slow speed, it causes a momentary spike to 6 amps or more--not good. The engine pauses and restarts. Can this be some sort of short with a body contact or whatever? I'm trying to figure this out but the size of the engine coupled with an unfamiliarity as to electrical pickups and such--this could be a science project. Meanwhile, the first giveaway to the problem was a hum/vibration from the 30B indicating a surge--then I looked at the amp gauge. I appreciate Lionel's follow through in getting this engine to the retail market given how they backed out of the SD 40 years ago. Plus, it is rugged and handsome---it's a thumbs up from me. The only negatives from me are 1) the Legacy issue--you have to have Lionel's Legacy controller to fully enjoy the features? 2) Why did they stick a Lionel magnet coupler on the tender? Help! John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57670	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: AF passnger truck question

Hi Grant, � Gilbert American Flyer passenger car trucks did not use copper strips for electrical pick up.  Lionel American Flyer did use copper contacts similar to the Pikemaster contacts with a longer contact.  The Lionel American Flyer trucks had a larger hole and used eyelets to attach the trucks to the frames.  I can offer you eyelets to tighten the axle hole in the sideframes which would keep the lights from flickering. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/16/09, grant <gwbishop@...> wrote: From: grant <gwbishop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF passnger truck question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 3:02 PM   I noticed some of the passenger trucks have a copper strip to conduct power from the tracks while others don't. The copper strip seems to work better than the nonstrips. Anyone add a strip or anything else that makes the lighting work better? Thanks! Grant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57671	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

Harry, How did you reattach the side frames after you removed part of the material? Roy Inman on 12/16/09 5:08 PM, hgetrain at harry.eberhardt@... wrote: > > > > > > Roy, > > I completed a conversion of a K-Line Big Boy to S Gauge about three years ago, > and modified and reused all of the original hardware except the locomotive's > lead truck. I cut the trailing truck and the tender lead truck down the middle > and removed enough materal from each side to allow S Helper wheelsets to fit > the K-Line journals when the two sides were reattached. The existing truck > mounting system was retained. > > The five axle tender sideframes were another matter. Using a Dremel tool with > a cutoff disk, I cut the sideframes from the tender, mounted each to an "L" > shaped piece of plastic and remounted them to a modified tender frame. The > five axle fixed truck was removed from the frame, modified to insulate the > sides and reattached to carry S Helper wheelsets modified to collect current > independently from each side. > > It is not a very big job to narrow the engine trailing truck and the tender > lead truck. It is a much bigger job to narrow the five axle sideframes. > > I also lowered the locomotive and tender to scale height, but I do not > recommend this for Lionel's Big Boy because of the amount of cutting and > filing involved. My Big Boy runs smoothly, takes 24" radius curves easily, and > 19" radius curves with some binding. At present, the locomotive has no sound > system. > > Harry Eberhardt > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy > Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: >> > >> > Carl, >> > Do you have a thought on what might be the best/easiest or least expensive >> > (pick one or all three :) way to replace the oversized trailing trucks on >> > the Big Boy? Seems to me that they are way too wide. >> > Roy Inman >> > >> > >> > on 12/14/09 4:33 PM, carl@... at carl@... wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big Boy >>> > > at >>> > > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm >>> > > >>> > > Carl >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57672	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BB's oversized truck

Some people in our club were looking at it last weekend and concluded it had to do with the arrangement of the power pickup.  I didn't get into it far enough to understand what they were talking about. --- On Wed, 12/16/09, SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...> wrote: From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON <seaboard2@...> Subject: [S-Trains] BB's oversized truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:07 AM   Is it possible that the over width trailing truck may be necessary to allow for extra lateral movement of the wheel sets under certain circumstances such as moving through a double switch? I haven't seen my BB yet as it is going from PA to CA and then to VA. I am hoping to have it by the weekend. Sam (impatiently waiting) Williamson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57673	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "kathre1" <JRKRRDD@...> wrote: > > Being fortunate to have this, the biggest AF engine yet, I noticed something peculiar. This engine handles the tight AF radius well however... I have an AMP gauge monitoring the track and find that once this monster enters a turn at slow speed, it causes a momentary spike to 6 amps or more--not good. The engine pauses and restarts. Can this be some sort of short with a body contact or whatever? I'm trying to figure this out but the size of the engine coupled with an unfamiliarity as to electrical pickups and such--this could be a science project. Meanwhile, the first giveaway to the problem was a hum/vibration from the 30B indicating a surge--then I looked at the amp gauge. I appreciate Lionel's follow through in getting this engine to the retail market given how they backed out of the SD 40 years ago. Plus, it is rugged and handsome---it's a thumbs up from me. The only negatives from me are 1) the Legacy issue--you have to have Lionel's Legacy controller to fully enjoy the features? 2) Why did they stick a Lionel magnet coupler on the tender? Help! > > John R > I've noticed that the front truck on the tender of my Big Boy sparks as it passes through the American Models code 148 turnouts on my layout. I haven't yet taken the time to diagnose it, but the gauge of the wheelset on that truck looks a bit narrow (more side to side slop to the railheads than I would expect). I'm wondering if the wheelset is momentarily shorting out somehow as it passes through the turnout. Hasn't caused any problems, just a bright spark each pass.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57674	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: New AF UP coal hopper with American flag on the side panel

silver --- On Wed, 12/16/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New AF UP coal hopper with American flag on the side panel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:22 AM   Are the side frames black as depicted by the artist's rendering in the catalog, or silver as the example/prototype of it had at York two months ago? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57675	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

This is probably mostly a fault with the AM Turnouts. Depending on the wheel width is touches both rails on the frog point. I have a turnout fix posted on my web site at: http://www.tuveson.com/am_frog/am_frogs.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of srgriggs Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "kathre1" <JRKRRDD@...> wrote: > > Being fortunate to have this, the biggest AF engine yet, I noticed something peculiar. This engine handles the tight AF radius well however... I have an AMP gauge monitoring the track and find that once this monster enters a turn at slow speed, it causes a momentary spike to 6 amps or more--not good. The engine pauses and restarts. Can this be some sort of short with a body contact or whatever? I'm trying to figure this out but the size of the engine coupled with an unfamiliarity as to electrical pickups and such--this could be a science project. Meanwhile, the first giveaway to the problem was a hum/vibration from the 30B indicating a surge--then I looked at the amp gauge. I appreciate Lionel's follow through in getting this engine to the retail market given how they backed out of the SD 40 years ago. Plus, it is rugged and handsome---it's a thumbs up from me. The only negatives from me are 1) the Legacy issue--you have to have Lionel's Legacy controller to fully enjoy the features? 2) Why did they stick a Lionel magnet coupler on the tender? Help! > > John R > I've noticed that the front truck on the tender of my Big Boy sparks as it passes through the American Models code 148 turnouts on my layout. I haven't yet taken the time to diagnose it, but the gauge of the wheelset on that truck looks a bit narrow (more side to side slop to the railheads than I would expect). I'm wondering if the wheelset is momentarily shorting out somehow as it passes through the turnout. Hasn't caused any problems, just a bright spark each pass. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57676	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: New AF UP coal hopper with American flag on the side panel

Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > silver

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57677	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Quality of Lionel

In the past I have had Lionel passenger trucks fall off the cars taking then from the box, bad rivets, side frames fell off. I had to re-wheeled a Rockisland jeep because Lionel tried scale wheels that would not stay on the rails, they changed all later wheel sets but not the ones that got out of the factory before Lionel discovered the problem. I purchased a track gang set, very poor quality + it was damaged at the factory, and had darker green paint smeared trying to cover up the damage. A Union Pacific A unit shipped with a pick- up wire run through a body mount screw hole resulting in a direct short when the body was mounted. Lionel don't have a repair facility at the factory ( now the office, every thing is sent out. I QUIT BUYING NEW Trains made in China, IF I have to work for hours to get them running, I buy old items rebuild restore and repaint into other configurations I can get parts for my old Gilbert , but no parts for the new stuff. TRACK, I have used scale hand laved track, Miller brass, flexible track, Bob pears, Gargraves, SHS ETC, Some track looks nicer, BUT I haven't found any track that works as good as the original American Flyer especially for the price. I have made tools to re bend curved track from 15" radius up to 48" radius and larger, with out any problems, set the track on jute carpet pad and filled in with extra wood ties and ballast, and I use American Flyer turnouts some powered with slow motion switch machines. My layout is 13' X 35' hundreds of sections of track and only one section broke in all these years Just my feelings Jerry TCA 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=0c5mO-B2dqpJXLA7rarA6gAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57678	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

Roy, On the trailing truck, I drilled and tapped four vertical holes, two on each sideframe half, in the front and rear horizontal cross portions of the truck. I clamped the two halves together and cut and drilled two pieces of "U" shaped brass channel that tightly fit the horizontal cross members. The holes in the brass matched the previously drilled holes in the horizontal cross members. The halves were then screwed together using 00-80 machine screws. This probuced a very sturdy truck. The front tender trucks were handled in a similar manner. The front cross piece was connected as above. The rear portion of the truck was tightly wrapped in a thin piece of brass and soldered. Alternately, it could have been screwed together as above. The wheelsets in this truck are American Flyer not S Helper. At York in October, Lionel allowed me to hold and examine their Big Boy and, if I remember correctly, the loco trailing truck and the tender lead truck appeared to be the same as the K-Line model. I hope this helps. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Harry, > How did you reattach the side frames after you removed part of the material? > Roy Inman > > > on 12/16/09 5:08 PM, hgetrain at harry.eberhardt@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roy, > > > > I completed a conversion of a K-Line Big Boy to S Gauge about three years ago, > > and modified and reused all of the original hardware except the locomotive's > > lead truck. I cut the trailing truck and the tender lead truck down the middle > > and removed enough materal from each side to allow S Helper wheelsets to fit > > the K-Line journals when the two sides were reattached. The existing truck > > mounting system was retained. > > > > The five axle tender sideframes were another matter. Using a Dremel tool with > > a cutoff disk, I cut the sideframes from the tender, mounted each to an "L" > > shaped piece of plastic and remounted them to a modified tender frame. The > > five axle fixed truck was removed from the frame, modified to insulate the > > sides and reattached to carry S Helper wheelsets modified to collect current > > independently from each side. > > > > It is not a very big job to narrow the engine trailing truck and the tender > > lead truck. It is a much bigger job to narrow the five axle sideframes. > > > > I also lowered the locomotive and tender to scale height, but I do not > > recommend this for Lionel's Big Boy because of the amount of cutting and > > filing involved. My Big Boy runs smoothly, takes 24" radius curves easily, and > > 19" radius curves with some binding. At present, the locomotive has no sound > > system. > > > > Harry Eberhardt > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy > > Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Carl, > >> > Do you have a thought on what might be the best/easiest or least expensive > >> > (pick one or all three :) way to replace the oversized trailing trucks on > >> > the Big Boy? Seems to me that they are way too wide. > >> > Roy Inman > >> > > >> > > >> > on 12/14/09 4:33 PM, carl@ at carl@ wrote: > >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside the AF Big > Boy > >>> > > at > >>> > > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm > >>> > > > >>> > > Carl > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57679	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: Quality of Lionel

What did you do to make tools to rebend the track? Bob --- On Thu, 12/17/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Quality of Lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 11:36 AM   In the past I have had Lionel passenger trucks fall off the cars taking then from the box, bad rivets, side frames fell off. I had to re-wheeled a Rockisland jeep because Lionel tried scale wheels that would not stay on the rails, they changed all later wheel sets but not the ones that got out of the factory before Lionel discovered the problem. I purchased a track gang set, very poor quality + it was damaged at the factory, and had darker green paint smeared trying to cover up the damage. A Union Pacific A unit shipped with a pick- up wire run through a body mount screw hole resulting in a direct short when the body was mounted. Lionel don't have a repair facility at the factory ( now the office, every thing is sent out. I QUIT BUYING NEW Trains made in China, IF I have to work for hours to get them running, I buy old items rebuild restore and repaint into other configurations I can get parts for my old Gilbert , but no parts for the new stuff. TRACK, I have used scale hand laved track, Miller brass, flexible track, Bob pears, Gargraves, SHS ETC, Some track looks nicer, BUT I haven't found any track that works as good as the original American Flyer especially for the price. I have made tools to re bend curved track from 15" radius up to 48" radius and larger, with out any problems, set the track on jute carpet pad and filled in with extra wood ties and ballast, and I use American Flyer turnouts some powered with slow motion switch machines. My layout is 13' X 35' hundreds of sections of track and only one section broke in all these years Just my feelings Jerry TCA 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=0c5mO- B2dqpJXLA7rarA6g AAJ1BaTFhggLY1Sc ahBCX6lx7rAAYAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DNAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAASQwAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57680	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: Inside the Big Boy

It sure does Harry! I understand now. Will give it a whirl after the holidays. Thanks :) Roy -- Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com on 12/17/09 10:58 AM, hgetrain at harry.eberhardt@... wrote: > > > > > > Roy, > > On the trailing truck, I drilled and tapped four vertical holes, two on each > sideframe half, in the front and rear horizontal cross portions of the truck. > I clamped the two halves together and cut and drilled two pieces of "U" shaped > brass channel that tightly fit the horizontal cross members. The holes in the > brass matched the previously drilled holes in the horizontal cross members. > The halves were then screwed together using 00-80 machine screws. This > probuced a very sturdy truck. > > The front tender trucks were handled in a similar manner. The front cross > piece was connected as above. The rear portion of the truck was tightly > wrapped in a thin piece of brass and soldered. Alternately, it could have been > screwed together as above. The wheelsets in this truck are American Flyer not > S Helper. > > At York in October, Lionel allowed me to hold and examine their Big Boy and, > if I remember correctly, the loco trailing truck and the tender lead truck > appeared to be the same as the K-Line model. > > I hope this helps. > > Harry Eberhardt > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy > Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: >> > >> > Harry, >> > How did you reattach the side frames after you removed part of the >> material? >> > Roy Inman >> > >> > >> > on 12/16/09 5:08 PM, hgetrain at harry.eberhardt@... wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Roy, >>> > > >>> > > I completed a conversion of a K-Line Big Boy to S Gauge about three >>> years ago, >>> > > and modified and reused all of the original hardware except the >>> locomotive's >>> > > lead truck. I cut the trailing truck and the tender lead truck down the >>> middle >>> > > and removed enough materal from each side to allow S Helper wheelsets to fit >>> > > the K-Line journals when the two sides were reattached. The existing >>> truck >>> > > mounting system was retained. >>> > > >>> > > The five axle tender sideframes were another matter. Using a Dremel tool >>> with >>> > > a cutoff disk, I cut the sideframes from the tender, mounted each to an "L" >>> > > shaped piece of plastic and remounted them to a modified tender frame. The >>> > > five axle fixed truck was removed from the frame, modified to insulate the >>> > > sides and reattached to carry S Helper wheelsets modified to collect >>> current >>> > > independently from each side. >>> > > >>> > > It is not a very big job to narrow the engine trailing truck and the >>> tender >>> > > lead truck. It is a much bigger job to narrow the five axle sideframes. >>> > > >>> > > I also lowered the locomotive and tender to scale height, but I do not >>> > > recommend this for Lionel's Big Boy because of the amount of cutting and >>> > > filing involved. My Big Boy runs smoothly, takes 24" radius curves >>> easily, and >>> > > 19" radius curves with some binding. At present, the locomotive has no >>> sound >>> > > system. >>> > > >>> > > Harry Eberhardt >>> > > >>> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >>> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy >>> > > Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Carl, >>>>> > >> > Do you have a thought on what might be the best/easiest or least >>>>> expensive >>>>> > >> > (pick one or all three :) way to replace the oversized trailing >>>>> trucks on >>>>> > >> > the Big Boy? Seems to me that they are way too wide. >>>>> > >> > Roy Inman >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > on 12/14/09 4:33 PM, carl@ at carl@ wrote: >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > For those that are interested I have add a page called Inside >>>>>>> the AF Big >> > Boy >>>>>>> > >>> > > at >>>>>>> > >>> > > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Carl >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> > >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57681	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy and N

When you open up the tender for your Big Boy, you should put in the Dallee item #598 (9vBRLT http://www.dallee.com/9V%20Replacement.html ) instead of a standard 9v battery. That way you will never have a leaking battery to ruin your tender nor have to constantly re-open the tender to change the battery. Dallee doesn't have a link with pictures of a Big Boy in it, but they do have the older Northern engine shown... http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Sample%20Installations/AFL_NORTHERN_9vBRLT.pdf . This is an excellent upgrade for the Big Boy and Northern. You will be glad that you did! Happy Holidays! Nick Mescher www.classictrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57682	From: Paul	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke

Hi All,Happy Holidays. Big Boy came today! I am running on convential mode. I have no whistle or bell! Also, NHad a little smoke in the begining none now. Does any body now if I am doing something wrong? Frustrated with lionel flyer in Ca. Thanka Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57683	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING

Please be on the look out for a Christmas card from a guy that "claims" to be a Flyer guy, but sends out 3 rail Christmas cards. I think his name might be Mike. Mike in Or (No connection to "THAT" Mike) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57684	From: kathre1	Date: 12/17/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

Thanks Carl, I'll take another look. Nice to know where the pick ups are. I noticed the trailing truck is oversized--likely due to the pickup fingers located on the outside of the those wheelsets--kinda dorky. Your U tube video is fantastic. I ran into a glitch trying to load U tube stuff and gave up. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > John, > > Check the pickup wire on the front truck to see if it is loose. The wire is > held on with a screw, be sure it is tight. > > The front truck is a pickup for one rail and the rear truck is a pickup for > the other rail. > > Also look to see that all of the running gear, side rods etc. are in place > and not loose. There are probably insulating washers in the rod assy and if > they are loose they could short? > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of kathre1 > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:16 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY OPERATIONS > > > > Being fortunate to have this, the biggest AF engine yet, I noticed > something peculiar. This engine handles the tight AF radius well however... > I have an AMP gauge monitoring the track and find that once this monster > enters a turn at slow speed, it causes a momentary spike to 6 amps or > more--not good. The engine pauses and restarts. Can this be some sort of > short with a body contact or whatever? I'm trying to figure this out but the > size of the engine coupled with an unfamiliarity as to electrical pickups > and such--this could be a science project. Meanwhile, the first giveaway to > the problem was a hum/vibration from the 30B indicating a surge--then I > looked at the amp gauge. I appreciate Lionel's follow through in getting > this engine to the retail market given how they backed out of the SD 40 > years ago. Plus, it is rugged and handsome---it's a thumbs up from me. The > only negatives from me are 1) the Legacy issue--you have to have Lionel's > Legacy controller to fully enjoy the features? 2) Why did they stick a > Lionel magnet coupler on the tender? Help! > > John R > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57685	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke

Yes, you brought a Lionel product. JUST KIDDING. Hope you get it working again soon. Contact Lionel tomorrow. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke Hi All,Happy Holidays. Big Boy came today! I am running on convential mode. I have no whistle or bell! Also, NHad a little smoke in the begining none now. Does any body now if I am doing something wrong? Frustrated with lionel flyer in Ca. Thanka Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57686	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING

Oh my, that sounds serious. Thanks for the warning. Can you block these cards from reaching your mailbox? I think they have Neil on the front too, I have heard. Mike, take a marker pen and mark out the the middle rail with appropriate matching color to the card. Mike in Md, who has a connection to that Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: CARD WARNING Please be on the look out for a Christmas card from a guy that "claims" to be a Flyer guy, but sends out 3 rail Christmas cards. I think his name might be Mike. Mike in Or (No connection to "THAT" Mike) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57687	From: John Sage	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject:

Sounds shady to me.  We don't have anything more important than that [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57688	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke

Did you put the 9 volt battery in the tender? It is needed when running in conventional. Also you may not be running at a high enough speed (voltage) to heat the element enough for smoke? Put a drag of cars on it so it has a load to pull. My advice is get a TMCC controller set. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke Hi All,Happy Holidays. Big Boy came today! I am running on convential mode. I have no whistle or bell! Also, NHad a little smoke in the begining none now. Does any body now if I am doing something wrong? Frustrated with lionel flyer in Ca. Thanka Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57689	From: Ben	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Big Boy clearance

I got my hulk of an engine yesterday...$649 delivered to my doorstep next day! I ran it cautiously around my 54" diameter American S Gauge track outer loop. I need to shave a tunnel portal for clearance. The biggest problem I encountered has to do with the oversize/width trailing truck/tender chassis. These rub/scrape the "third rail" American Flyer mail pick up track section. I am guessing I need to move the pick up section outboard a bit to get the clearance I need. I am not sure just how far out I can go and still have the mail car pickup make contact. Otherwise, it seems to be good to go. Also wondering if I should run this engine with my Tech II O-27 instead of me 30B. The engine's sound system squawks a bit if I do not have the throttle turned up enough on the 30B...wondering if this would be made better with the Tech II? It is a sweet engine...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57690	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke

I had that problem with my Flyonel Northern. I had to turn it around and run it in the opposite direction on the track for the bell and whistle to operate. Don't know why. Guess I could have switched the feed wires going to the track, but didn't want to change all the loops. The Northern works fine now. Worth a try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <rohrbaughpaul@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:58:07 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke Hi All,Happy Holidays. Big Boy came today! I am running on convential mode. I have no whistle or bell! Also, NHad a little smoke in the begining none now. Does any body now if I am doing something wrong? Frustrated with lionel flyer in Ca. Thanka Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57691	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy a

Nick- Where might I pick up one of these? Are they only available directly from Dallee? An impolite question, I know, but how much $$ are they? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ctbigboy" <nmescher@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:52:38 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy and Northern When you open up the tender for your Big Boy, you should put in the Dallee item #598 (9vBRLT http://www.dallee.com/9V%20Replacement.html ) instead of a standard 9v battery. That way you will never have a leaking battery to ruin your tender nor have to constantly re-open the tender to change the battery. Dallee doesn't have a link with pictures of a Big Boy in it, but they do have the older Northern engine shown... http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Sample%20Installations/AFL_NORTHERN_9vBRLT.pdf . This is an excellent upgrade for the Big Boy and Northern. You will be glad that you did! Happy Holidays! Nick Mescher www.classictrains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57692	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING

Just kidding Mike, Thank you, & have a Merry Christmas, Mike PS: I am connected to you In a message dated 12/18/2009 3:43:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Oh my, that sounds serious. Thanks for the warning. Can you block these cards from reaching your mailbox? I think they have Neil on the front too, I have heard. Mike, take a marker pen and mark out the the middle rail with appropriate matching color to the card. Mike in Md, who has a connection to that Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: CARD WARNING Please be on the look out for a Christmas card from a guy that "claims" to be a Flyer guy, but sends out 3 rail Christmas cards. I think his name might be Mike. Mike in Or (No connection to "THAT" Mike) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57693	From: daysend40	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: S Helper Santa Fe F7B

Hello Looking for a SHelper Service SantaFe F7B. Powered on Unpowered. Thank You Joe Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57694	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: CARD WARNING

Mike, I know. LOL As I was you. Next year I will make the card out to Dorothy Strickland, as we probably will have more of Angelia's cards. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: CARD WARNING Just kidding Mike, Thank you, & have a Merry Christmas, Mike PS: I am connected to you In a message dated 12/18/2009 3:43:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Oh my, that sounds serious. Thanks for the warning. Can you block these cards from reaching your mailbox? I think they have Neil on the front too, I have heard. Mike, take a marker pen and mark out the the middle rail with appropriate matching color to the card. Mike in Md, who has a connection to that Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: CARD WARNING Please be on the look out for a Christmas card from a guy that "claims" to be a Flyer guy, but sends out 3 rail Christmas cards. I think his name might be Mike. Mike in Or (No connection to "THAT" Mike) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57695	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: smoke unit

Why would a engine smoke like crazy at the highest speed, but nothing at mid range speed or less? Does not matter what engine it is, as it is the same smoke unit, for all AF engines I believe. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57696	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy

We are a Dallee dealer. The units retail for $29.95 Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/18/2009 8:14:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: Nick- Where might I pick up one of these? Are they only available directly from Dallee? An impolite question, I know, but how much $$ are they? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ctbigboy" <_nmescher@classictranmesche_ (mailto:nmescher@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:52:38 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy and Northern When you open up the tender for your Big Boy, you should put in the Dallee item #598 (9vBRLT _http://www.dallee.http://www.dallehttp://ww_ (http://www.dallee.com/9V%20Replacement.html) ) instead of a standard 9v battery. That way you will never have a leaking battery to ruin your tender nor have to constantly re-open the tender to change the battery. Dallee doesn't have a link with pictures of a Big Boy in it, but they do have the older Northern engine shown... _http://www.dallee.http://wwhttp://www.dallehttp://www.http://wwhttp://www_ (http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Sample%20Installations/AFL_NORTHERN_9vBRLT.pdf) . This is an excellent upgrade for the Big Boy and Northern. You will be glad that you did! Happy Holidays! Nick Mescher www.classictrains.www. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57697	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy a

Jim, $29.95. You can order direct from Dallee, (717) 661-7041 or a dealer near you. Best Regards, Nick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Nick- > Where might I pick up one of these? Are they only available directly from Dallee? An impolite question, I know, but how much $$ are they? > Jim E. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ctbigboy" <nmescher@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:52:38 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: [S-Trains] Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy and Northern > > > > > > > When you open up the tender for your Big Boy, you should put in the Dallee item #598 (9vBRLT http://www.dallee.com/9V%20Replacement.html ) instead of a standard 9v battery. That way you will never have a leaking battery to ruin your tender nor have to constantly re-open the tender to change the battery. Dallee doesn't have a link with pictures of a Big Boy in it, but they do have the older Northern engine shown... http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Sample%20Installations/AFL_NORTHERN_9vBRLT.pdf . > This is an excellent upgrade for the Big Boy and Northern. You will be glad that you did! > > Happy Holidays! > > Nick Mescher > www.classictrains.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57698	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Dallee 9vBRLT Battery Replacement Capacitor for new AF Big Boy a

Or run it with TMCC/Legacy and not need the 9V battery or Dallee dealee.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57699	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit

MORE POWER to the heater coils and the motor driven piston to force the smoke out. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/18/2009 12:23:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Why would a engine smoke like crazy at the highest speed, but nothing at mid range speed or less? Does not matter what engine it is, as it is the same smoke unit, for all AF engines I believe. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57700	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Flip flop circuit for crossing gate

Does anyone have a circuit schematic (or other mechanism) for powering a crossing gate? I'm thinking of a circuit that is switched on/off via reed switches. The train (with a magnet) crosses one reed switch which completes the circuit and sends power to the crossing gate. Tripping the second reed switch turns off the power to the crossing gate. I was thinking of something like: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/projects/signal.htm ...but with 15AC power and the relay controlling power to the crossing gate instead of the track. Anyone done something similar? Thanks, AJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57701	From: N Becker	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Train Tracker

Anyone know of a way to retrieve the database information from Train Tracker 5.5? TIA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57702	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit

Mike,      The wick heater does not have the proper number of turns on it. Higher or lower than 17 turns will give you trouble as mentioned. More than 17 turns will give you what you have but the heater will last longer. Less than 17 turns will give smoke sooner but the heater will burn out sooner. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Fri, 12/18/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] smoke unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 2:01 PM   MORE POWER to the heater coils and the motor driven piston to force the smoke out. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/18/2009 12:23:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@verizon. net writes: Why would a engine smoke like crazy at the highest speed, but nothing at mid range speed or less? Does not matter what engine it is, as it is the same smoke unit, for all AF engines I believe. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57703	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks

I took all my flyer action car rails off my mainline until I solve the trailing truck problem. Backing up through them was impossible. (They have a ramp on the outside back end of the truck that lifts the truck going forward only and it works.) Taking the action car operation was not a major give up. I will look at the Flyer 4-8-4 trailing truck as you mentioned. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57704	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit

Thanks Jim, as I have one engine where the smoke pours out, but I understand every engine smoke wick is different, meaning on how it get install and engine power. Rough day in getting a circle of track under the tree today, track problems, engine problems, but in the end, I got it all done. Nothing destroy for the powers of train repair. LOL but I do need two springs for the motor. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] smoke unit MORE POWER to the heater coils and the motor driven piston to force the smoke out. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/18/2009 12:23:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Why would a engine smoke like crazy at the highest speed, but nothing at mid range speed or less? Does not matter what engine it is, as it is the same smoke unit, for all AF engines I believe. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57705	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: smoke unit

Thanks Dave, as I only run AF engines under the Christmas tree and I have two that will use. I actually got the real smoker going under the tree as that was a adventure in itself. A story later. LOL That engine in question I will put back on the shelf with its set. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave at LBR Enterprises To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] smoke unit Mike, The wick heater does not have the proper number of turns on it. Higher or lower than 17 turns will give you trouble as mentioned. More than 17 turns will give you what you have but the heater will last longer. Less than 17 turns will give smoke sooner but the heater will burn out sooner. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. --- On Fri, 12/18/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] smoke unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 2:01 PM MORE POWER to the heater coils and the motor driven piston to force the smoke out. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/18/2009 12:23:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@verizon. net writes: Why would a engine smoke like crazy at the highest speed, but nothing at mid range speed or less? Does not matter what engine it is, as it is the same smoke unit, for all AF engines I believe. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57706	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks

Ahh, but if had DCC you would not need the third rail. Sadly, Lionel does not have DCC so, you can never have AF action cars without that third rail. Oh well. I will never have a big boy but that is okay. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles E. Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy trailing trucks I took all my flyer action car rails off my mainline until I solve the trailing truck problem. Backing up through them was impossible. (They have a ramp on the outside back end of the truck that lifts the truck going forward only and it works.) Taking the action car operation was not a major give up. I will look at the Flyer 4-8-4 trailing truck as you mentioned. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57707	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: DCC and action cars

Not so on the action cars and DCC. I have converted several Gilbert and Flyonel action cars to DCC operation. Not too difficult to do, but electronic components besides a decoder are needed. Steve SnS Trains...Boise In a message dated 12/18/2009 4:41:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Ahh, but if had DCC you would not need the third rail. Sadly, Lionel does not have DCC so, you can never have AF action cars without that third rail. Oh well. I will never have a big boy but that is okay. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles E. Smith To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy trailing trucks I took all my flyer action car rails off my mainline until I solve the trailing truck problem. Backing up through them was impossible. (They have a ramp on the outside back end of the truck that lifts the truck going forward only and it works.) Taking the action car operation was not a major give up. I will look at the Flyer 4-8-4 trailing truck as you mentioned. _email=csmith290@email=csmiemail=_ (mailto:email=csmith290@...) web=_http://www.trainwebhttp://www.train_ (http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57708	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2009
Subject: Christmas Tree Train

I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, just enough to make a circle and some straights. I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K Line. But then the curves. One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. Problem solved. Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was wound. The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of snow. So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57709	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

Mike, I think the next time you visit Lancaster Co, you should just bring that old, unrunning Flyer up here and I'll take it off your hands, doesn't need to be running. Hope that helps. Jim In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:28:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, just enough to make a circle and some straights. I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K Line. But then the curves. One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. Problem solved. Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was wound. The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of snow. So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57710	From: Ben	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Well, I carved some styrofoam around the tunnels to get the clearance I needed, and all is well there. I ran the Big Boy, gaining confidence, added a passenger train from the passing siding and it went well for twenty minutes or so. Then, all of a sudden, the loco began to grind like a coffee grinder. I can't determine if it is a motor (wheels do not seem to move at the proper rate...stripped gear in the can motor??) or smoke unit fan/motor (it is not giving as much smoke as I expected for the hyped smoke unit improvements.) I will be off to the local Lionel Service Station as soon as this Nor'Easter snow storm blows out of Southeastern PA. This could be the first Big Boy in the back shop...and I am actually worried about parts availability for the service station or new replacement engine availability from Lionel, but that is not really my problem, is it? Any similar grinding Big Boys out there? Thoughts? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57711	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy trailing trucks

In principle, this need not be the case in the future. The most advanced and realistic "action cars" by a huge margin in modeling railroading are the TMCC crane and TMCC Railsounds boom car (in O gauge) used together. It is a matter of the electronics being developed. It pays to think ahead in these things. What DCC is lacking at this time and that LEGACY TMCC control with Cab-2 includes with engines so equipped are: (1) Odyssey cruise with very precise speed step control starting at 3 smph, (2) the most advanced rail sounds in the hobby with realistic labored chuffs via train brake on Cab-2 and/or locomotive effort on grades, and (3) quillable whistles and air horns. And, then there are the wireless tethers with no ugly wires, and a new remote electrocoupler useable with either TMCC or LEGACY TMCC. Train Builder and Trainlink are on the way in LEGACY v1.3 that will permit putting together seamless lash ups, even when the engines are very dissimilar (i.e., steam and diesel). The sound quality of the new AF Big Boy trounces anything else currently on the market for S. In the grand scheme of things, the BB's trailing truck is a minor matter. As I said, it pays to think ahead. ;-) Enjoy. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/19/2009 6:05:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Ahh, but if had DCC you would not need the third rail. Sadly, Lionel does not have DCC so, you can never have AF action cars without that third rail. Oh well. I will never have a big boy but that is okay. O:)! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57712	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

Jim, hee hee, no. You just get muffins. LOL The engine is fine, as it was part of a shelve display. I am not using it on the layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train Mike, I think the next time you visit Lancaster Co, you should just bring that old, unrunning Flyer up here and I'll take it off your hands, doesn't need to be running. Hope that helps. Jim In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:28:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, just enough to make a circle and some straights. I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K Line. But then the curves. One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. Problem solved. Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was wound. The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of snow. So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57713	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

So Jim and Ben, How where the muffins? LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train Jim, hee hee, no. You just get muffins. LOL The engine is fine, as it was part of a shelve display. I am not using it on the layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train Mike, I think the next time you visit Lancaster Co, you should just bring that old, unrunning Flyer up here and I'll take it off your hands, doesn't need to be running. Hope that helps. Jim In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:28:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, just enough to make a circle and some straights. I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K Line. But then the curves. One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. Problem solved. Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was wound. The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of snow. So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57714	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

AS I mentioned earlier, I think you should be donning chef's hat and going for it.. jim In a message dated 12/19/2009 1:27:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: So Jim and Ben, How where the muffins? LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train Jim, hee hee, no. You just get muffins. LOL The engine is fine, as it was part of a shelve display. I am not using it on the layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train Mike, I think the next time you visit Lancaster Co, you should just bring that old, unrunning Flyer up here and I'll take it off your hands, doesn't need to be running. Hope that helps. Jim In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:28:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, just enough to make a circle and some straights. I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K Line. But then the curves. One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. Problem solved. Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was wound. The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of snow. So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57715	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Train Tracker

TrainMinder will import it, or you can write your own program to do it if you're a database software geek. --- On Fri, 12/18/09, N Becker <nabecker@...> wrote: From: N Becker <nabecker@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train Tracker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 11:33 AM   Anyone know of a way to retrieve the database information from Train Tracker 5.5? TIA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57716	From: Ben	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

The muffins were/are very good. Do we taste cinnamon in there? Thanks for the muffins and the visit. I was just out checking to see if the G gauge garden RR snow plow will work with 14" of snow. Nope. We will have to do some cleaning by human hands and let the plow do the rest. Bummer! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > So Jim and Ben, > > How where the muffins? > > LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train > > > > Jim, > > hee hee, no. You just get muffins. > > LOL > > The engine is fine, as it was part of a shelve display. > > I am not using it on the layout. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WJJIM@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:54 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train > > Mike, > > I think the next time you visit Lancaster Co, you should just bring that > old, unrunning Flyer up here and I'll take it off your hands, doesn't need to > be running. Hope that helps. > > Jim > > In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:28:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mlmarmer@... writes: > > I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at > 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL > > I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, > just enough to make a circle and some straights. > > I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of > the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into > the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K > Line. > > But then the curves. > > One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on > one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it > out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath > the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, > but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. > > Problem solved. > > Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I > will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. > > The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all > the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was > wound. > > The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with > the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press > on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. > Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. > > So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. > > The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse > unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, > but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine > to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as > I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the > weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of > snow. > > So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. > > So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a > plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD > car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S > Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in > honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. > > In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC > building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I > have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57717	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Just let you all know my local train shop sold one Big Boy and it only ran 15 min. The rear motor locked up and smoked it is being sent back for repair. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! Well, I carved some styrofoam around the tunnels to get the clearance I needed, and all is well there. I ran the Big Boy, gaining confidence, added a passenger train from the passing siding and it went well for twenty minutes or so. Then, all of a sudden, the loco began to grind like a coffee grinder. I can't determine if it is a motor (wheels do not seem to move at the proper rate...stripped gear in the can motor??) or smoke unit fan/motor (it is not giving as much smoke as I expected for the hyped smoke unit improvements.) I will be off to the local Lionel Service Station as soon as this Nor'Easter snow storm blows out of Southeastern PA. This could be the first Big Boy in the back shop...and I am actually worried about parts availability for the service station or new replacement engine availability from Lionel, but that is not really my problem, is it? Any similar grinding Big Boys out there? Thoughts? Thanks! Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 08:33:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57718	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9CPQO5opk Have a wonderful Christmas and the happiest of New Years! Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57719	From: A E Johnson	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Bob, I really hate that for you. I am so sorry to hear that the motor gave up. Bigfoot From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert A Persing Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! Just let you all know my local train shop sold one Big Boy and it only ran 15 min. The rear motor locked up and smoked it is being sent back for repair. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! Well, I carved some styrofoam around the tunnels to get the clearance I needed, and all is well there. I ran the Big Boy, gaining confidence, added a passenger train from the passing siding and it went well for twenty minutes or so. Then, all of a sudden, the loco began to grind like a coffee grinder. I can't determine if it is a motor (wheels do not seem to move at the proper rate...stripped gear in the can motor??) or smoke unit fan/motor (it is not giving as much smoke as I expected for the hyped smoke unit improvements.) I will be off to the local Lionel Service Station as soon as this Nor'Easter snow storm blows out of Southeastern PA. This could be the first Big Boy in the back shop...and I am actually worried about parts availability for the service station or new replacement engine availability from Lionel, but that is not really my problem, is it? Any similar grinding Big Boys out there? Thoughts? Thanks! Ben ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 08:33:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57720	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

LOL Thanks Ben, as yes, the secret ingredient was cinnamon. I am glad we did not come to Lancaster this weekend. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Christmas Tree Train The muffins were/are very good. Do we taste cinnamon in there? Thanks for the muffins and the visit. I was just out checking to see if the G gauge garden RR snow plow will work with 14" of snow. Nope. We will have to do some cleaning by human hands and let the plow do the rest. Bummer! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > So Jim and Ben, > > How where the muffins? > > LOL > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train > > > > Jim, > > hee hee, no. You just get muffins. > > LOL > > The engine is fine, as it was part of a shelve display. > > I am not using it on the layout. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WJJIM@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:54 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train > > Mike, > > I think the next time you visit Lancaster Co, you should just bring that > old, unrunning Flyer up here and I'll take it off your hands, doesn't need to > be running. Hope that helps. > > Jim > > In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:28:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mlmarmer@... writes: > > I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at > 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL > > I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, > just enough to make a circle and some straights. > > I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of > the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into > the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K > Line. > > But then the curves. > > One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on > one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it > out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath > the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, > but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. > > Problem solved. > > Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I > will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. > > The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all > the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was > wound. > > The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with > the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press > on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. > Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. > > So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. > > The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse > unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, > but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine > to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as > I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the > weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of > snow. > > So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. > > So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a > plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD > car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S > Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in > honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. > > In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC > building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I > have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57721	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

LOL Thanks Jim, but NOOOOOOO! We could turn you train barn into Paradise, PA Muffin Shoppe. LOL No work on the layout today, too much snow to shovel. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train AS I mentioned earlier, I think you should be donning chef's hat and going for it.. jim In a message dated 12/19/2009 1:27:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: So Jim and Ben, How where the muffins? LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train Jim, hee hee, no. You just get muffins. LOL The engine is fine, as it was part of a shelve display. I am not using it on the layout. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Tree Train Mike, I think the next time you visit Lancaster Co, you should just bring that old, unrunning Flyer up here and I'll take it off your hands, doesn't need to be running. Hope that helps. Jim In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:28:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I started this morning to set up a simple oval of track under the tree at 7:30 am and it turned out to be a almost a all day task! LOL I have very little AF track left, since I did not use it on my layout, just enough to make a circle and some straights. I had some new K Line S track from 1993 and it was a pain to get some of the straight to mate, it was very tight trying to get the track pins into the other pieces, as I had plenty of straight track to choose from, AF and K Line. But then the curves. One piece, when I put two curves together, the pin went all the way in on one track while I was pushing the pieces together. I could not get it out. Soooooo, I pull off the end tie and took a screwdriver from underneath the track to spread it apart to free the pin. Got the track back together, but the pin was still loose. So, put solder underneath the joint curves. Problem solved. Now to get a Hudson to run, as I have two Hudson, out of maybe 10, that I will use for Christmas, as the others are too valuable or too new. The first one had good horn, but not much smoke, till you crank it up all the way without cars being pulled. I am told is due to how the wick was wound. The other engine had great horn, lights on, but no motion. I fooled with the reverse lever, nothing. Then I check for wire connections, as I press on the brush cap and it ran. So I fooled with that, and it would not run. Finally I took off the brush cap and the spring was missing inside. So, I took a spring out of the other engine and still nothing. The I took off the tender cover and looked at the fingers on the reverse unit. That was the problem. I was able to get the fingers on the unit, but it would only go in reverse. So I took the tender off the other engine to do a switch, nothing, as now this is getting near 11. So, I stopped as I had other things to do, as I had to get to the grocery store for the weekend, as the store was packed, as we are going to get 10 to 20 inches of snow. So, in the afternoon, I finally got the finger in forward mode. So now, I have the train running with horn, smoke, a flat car with a plastic burger on it for the engineer, a lump of car, by my custom made U of MD car, a Lionel reindeer car, a S Helper Bruster the blinking reindeer, a S Helper Blinking Christmas tree box car, a cat nip rat on a flat car, in honor of the Dink and Kitty RR, and a red S Helper GN Lighted Caboose. In other train news, on the layout a new switch was added for the AFC building and I am painting the base of the Oil drum loader, aged concrete, as I have brick paper to cover the yellow. the door and window will be fine. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57722	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Train

ROTARY PLOW is in order. Jim In a message dated 12/19/2009 2:14:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: . I was just out checking to see if the G gauge garden RR snow plow will work with 14" of snow. Nope. We will have to do some cleaning by human hands and let the plow do the rest. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57723	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Good luck getting it back.  With my Northern right after i bought it, they had it for two months.  Al --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:10 AM   Just let you all know my local train shop sold one Big Boy and it only ran 15 min. The rear motor locked up and smoked it is being sent back for repair. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! Well, I carved some styrofoam around the tunnels to get the clearance I needed, and all is well there. I ran the Big Boy, gaining confidence, added a passenger train from the passing siding and it went well for twenty minutes or so. Then, all of a sudden, the loco began to grind like a coffee grinder. I can't determine if it is a motor (wheels do not seem to move at the proper rate...stripped gear in the can motor??) or smoke unit fan/motor (it is not giving as much smoke as I expected for the hyped smoke unit improvements. ) I will be off to the local Lionel Service Station as soon as this Nor'Easter snow storm blows out of Southeastern PA. This could be the first Big Boy in the back shop...and I am actually worried about parts availability for the service station or new replacement engine availability from Lionel, but that is not really my problem, is it? Any similar grinding Big Boys out there? Thoughts? Thanks! Ben ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 08:33:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57724	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube

Very nice. Thanks for sharing. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:40 PM To: s-trains@... Subject: [S-Trains] Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9CPQO5opk> com/watch?v=La9CPQO5opk Have a wonderful Christmas and the happiest of New Years! Bob ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57725	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: What DCC is lacking....

Dear Bob, Have you actually ever looked at what is between a real tender and the locomotive? It is not wireless.... Most I have seen have wires and pipes and I do not consider them ugly. Don On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:58 AM, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > .....there are the wireless tethers with no ugly wires > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/20/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57727	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube

Linda has her childhood cardboard train set up in her cube at work, as she does this everyear. Have buildings with it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube Very nice. Thanks for sharing. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:40 PM To: s-trains@... Subject: [S-Trains] Our Christmas Village and Train on YouTube http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9CPQO5opk> com/watch?v=La9CPQO5opk Have a wonderful Christmas and the happiest of New Years! Bob ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57728	From: Bob	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Fall, 2009 1:64 Modeling Guide & Holiday Schedule

Good evening, all. By now many of our domestic subscribers should have received their copy of the Fall, 2009 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide. I hope everyone enjoys it. If you haven't gotten yours yet, it should get to you real soon. Our international readers and dealers will be getting their copies in the next few business days. As expected, this issue is nearly sold out (only 30 copies remain). If your subscription lapsed with the summer issue (Vol. 10, #3) and you don't want a gap in your library, the time to renew is now! All orders for the Fall issue will be handled on a first-come, first-served basis and once the the 30 are sold: "That's all, Folks!" (Until the Winter, 2010 issue, that is.) Remember, you can subscribe or purchase individual issues online at: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com I will be on vacation until December 28. I will be checking e-mail and the Yahoo groups from time to time, however, so if you have a specific question about your subscription I'll be happy to answer it. Happy Holidays to all and thanks to all who supported the 1:64 Modeling Guide this past year. And now, it's off to the basement to try to clear some of the backlogged modeling projects piled on my workbench. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine "The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57729	From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/19/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Yes, you brought a Lionel product. > > JUST KIDDING. > > Hope you get it working again soon. > > Contact Lionel tomorrow. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:58 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel B.B. whistle,bell,smoke > > > > Hi All,Happy Holidays. Big Boy came today! I am running on convential mode. I have no whistle or bell! Also, NHad a little smoke in the begining none now. Does any body now if I am doing something wrong? Frustrated with lionel flyer in Ca. Thanka Paul > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Bell, whistle & cab talk work but only minimal smoke using Super Smoke. Smoked only out of the box. Added 9v battery & no difference. Same issue using different transformers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57730	From: Dave	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Fruit Crate Decals

By popular demand we are producing a NEW LINE of fruit crate decals. We have the first 12 of about 100 on our web site at present. For those of you requiring this type of decal you can view them at the link below near the bottom of the page: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html Thank you all for your continuing support. "MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR" to all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57731	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: What DCC is lacking....

If manufacturers would dress the wires below the deck as nicely, Don, as on your 2-8-0's there would be no appearance issues. As it is, most S-gauge steam (profile) engines have a wiring harness that looks like linguini passing smack through the middle of a (usually unfinished) cab. A wireless IR tether is tidy, allows designers to apportion the electronics to either half as required, and does make separating and mating the engine and the tender extremely easy when necessary. .....but, then, you knew that. ;-)) Bob In a message dated 12/20/2009 6:08:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Dear Bob, Have you actually ever looked at what is between a real tender and the locomotive? It is not wireless.... Most I have seen have wires and pipes and I do not consider them ugly. Don On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:58 AM, _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) wrote: > > .....there are the wireless tethers with no ugly wires > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57732	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the locomotive's front drive train. Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that shaft is not seated properly. I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment screw that I can see. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57733	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Christmas Layout/Villages

Photos of my past layout/villages can be seen here: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Christmas-Layouts I hope you enjoy them & Merry Christmas to all! Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57734	From: wisner_mark	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Gate and crossing signals

Using S- helper track, need info on how to hook up accessories that previously were activated by a pressure type switch that clipped to the bottom of AF track. I am looking for something that senses the location of the train and activates the accessory. Merry Christmas Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57735	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Ben, If I recall there is a set screw in the flywheel. Look at the front flywheel on it's bottom side for a screw. If it has one then the rear flywheel has one too. You should be able to carefully pry off the tach ring on the rear flywheel to expose the bottom to tighten the set screw. Re-press the tach ring on after you tighten the setscrew. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ben and Lynn Stiles Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:16 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the locomotive's front drive train. Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that shaft is not seated properly. I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment screw that I can see. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57736	From: Dave	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: 1/64 Truck Photos

For those of you wanting more photos of the 1/64 trucks, we have just posted some more photos at our web site. Please follow the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html Go to the bottom of the page to view. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57737	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

This thread and the one about trucks falling apart speak volumes about Lionel's quality control ( or lack thereof ) --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:16 AM   I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the locomotive's front drive train. Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ inside_the_ big_boy.htm are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that shaft is not seated properly. I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment screw that I can see. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57738	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control ?

As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box untill now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57739	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control ?

Write to Matt Ashba at Lionel. mashba@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57740	From: Ben	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

I can see the set screw on the rear flywheel (the one with the black ring on it), but not yet on the front flywheel. I will keep searching. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Ben, > > If I recall there is a set screw in the flywheel. Look at the front flywheel > on it's bottom side for a screw. If it has one then the rear flywheel has > one too. > > You should be able to carefully pry off the tach ring on the rear flywheel > to expose the bottom to tighten the set screw. Re-press the tach ring on > after you tighten the setscrew. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Ben and Lynn Stiles > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:16 AM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! > > > > I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It > seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, > then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess > is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in > the locomotive's front drive train. > > Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm > are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other > products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got > a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk > beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the > front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be > that shaft is not seated properly. > > I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment > screw that I can see. > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Amazing but people keep buying their products. I learned with the diesel's they put in the 1980's, that they had problems. I see not much has changed, from what I read about, trucks, rear lights, grinding noise. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: robert hendrickson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! This thread and the one about trucks falling apart speak volumes about Lionel's quality control ( or lack thereof ) --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:16 AM I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the locomotive's front drive train. Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ inside_the_ big_boy.htm are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that shaft is not seated properly. I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment screw that I can see. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57742	From: Ben	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Sad but true. It is hard to manage product quality from 1000s of miles away. When the plant was in New Haven...and the boss's office was fifteen feet above the workers, quality control was easy to maintain. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > > This thread and the one about trucks falling apart speak volumes about Lionel's quality control ( or lack thereof ) > > --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:16 AM > > >   > > > > I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the locomotive's front drive train. > > Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ inside_the_ big_boy.htm > are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that shaft is not seated properly. > > I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment screw that I can see. > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57743	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! - Been there - done that!

Hi All, Here we go again. A new Lionel AF engine that has major issues straight out of the box. Should we start a new poll to see what percentage of this one has pre-mature failures? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > > This thread and the one about trucks falling apart speak volumes about Lionel's quality control ( or lack thereof ) > > --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:16 AM > > >   > > > > I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the locomotive's front drive train. > > Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson com/bigboy/ inside_the_ big_boy.htm > are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that shaft is not seated properly. > > I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment screw that I can see. > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57744	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Gate and crossing signals

MTH makes or has made a couple of models of IR detector and relay combinations. One is designed to look like a trackside equipment box. The other looks like a plastic lock-on for their 3-rail track. It can be adapted. Both work well. The first one is part number 45-1028 an O Scale ITAD box. The second one is part number 40-1028 a RealTrax ITAD. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wisner_mark Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 7:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gate and crossing signals Using S- helper track, need info on how to hook up accessories that previously were activated by a pressure type switch that clipped to the bottom of AF track. I am looking for something that senses the location of the train and activates the accessory. Merry Christmas Mark ___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57745	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control ?

Write to Matt Ashba at Lionel. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts.com www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57746	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Ben, I misread you letter thinking that it was the tach flywheel that was loose. They do occasionally get loose. It may be the motor mount screws have come loose on the front motor? Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! I can see the set screw on the rear flywheel (the one with the black ring on it), but not yet on the front flywheel. I will keep searching. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Ben, > > If I recall there is a set screw in the flywheel. Look at the front flywheel > on it's bottom side for a screw. If it has one then the rear flywheel has > one too. > > You should be able to carefully pry off the tach ring on the rear flywheel > to expose the bottom to tighten the set screw. Re-press the tach ring on > after you tighten the setscrew. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Ben and Lynn Stiles > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:16 AM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! > > > > I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It > seems the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, > then up and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess > is that this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in > the locomotive's front drive train. > > Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/inside_the_big_boy.htm > are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other > products? If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got > a faulty motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk > beside the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the > front flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be > that shaft is not seated properly. > > I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment > screw that I can see. > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57747	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Good outfits can do it. Have you tried any Showcase Line things lately? They only make prime-quality and it come just as far. It looks to me like a case of intent, effort and competence. Don and his colleagues have it all. Lionel? It is for others to decide. I don't buy their stuff made after 1942. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! Sad but true. It is hard to manage product quality from 1000s of miles away. When the plant was in New Haven...and the boss's office was fifteen feet above the workers, quality control was easy to maintain. Ben _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57748	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/20/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57749	From: N Becker	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: BB Oddity

So I let the BB rest over night with 9v battery installed and smoke fluid soaking in.... This afternoon, I let him sit and simmer for about a minute before moving the throttle with 15 cars attached.... He started up smoking but quit smoking after about 15 minutes & had an uncouple between the tender & a SHS car... When I began backing up, he smoked like a mad man... Smoke in forward began working again for another half hour... I'm using MRC transformers.... WWT? One other question: What does the "signal/rail" slide switch on the tender do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57750	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Back in 1950 I received a Lionel coal loader for Christmas. We had to take it back three times to get one that worked. All were NIB. The interior lights on ATSF caboose I received the year before did not work right out of the box. My dad was able to fix them without having to go back to Sears. So, you¹re right. Not much has changed, but it goes back further than the 1980¹s. Roy Inman on 12/20/09 12:25 PM, Ben at lbstiles@... wrote: > > > > > > Sad but true. It is hard to manage product quality from 1000s of miles away. > When the plant was in New Haven...and the boss's office was fifteen feet above > the workers, quality control was easy to maintain. > > Ben > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , robert > hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: >> > >> > This thread and the one about trucks falling apart speak volumes about >> Lionel's quality control ( or lack thereof ) >> > >> > --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> >> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! >> > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:16 AM >> > >> > >> >   >> > >> > >> > >> > I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems >> the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up >> and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that >> this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the >> locomotive's front drive train. >> > >> > Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson >> com/bigboy/ inside_the_ big_boy.htm >> > are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? >> If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty >> motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside >> the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front >> flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that >> shaft is not seated properly. >> > >> > I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment >> screw that I can see. >> > >> > Ben >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57751	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Fruit Crate Decals

Boy, Dave, talk about mis-reading a post! I was thinking you were really getting in the Christmas spirit and offering "Fruit Cake" decals!! Had to quickly re-read to get "crate". LOL Come to think about it, they might not be a bad idea. Just think how those mythical fruit cakes circulate around and around, just like a train under the tree. Merry Christmas all! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:46:16 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Fruit Crate Decals By popular demand we are producing a NEW LINE of fruit crate decals. We have the first 12 of about 100 on our web site at present. For those of you requiring this type of decal you can view them at the link below near the bottom of the page: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html Thank you all for your continuing support. "MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR" to all. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57752	From: michael prell	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

Back before computers you could fix just about anything with a little tweeking and thought.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 9:03 PM   Back in 1950 I received a Lionel coal loader for Christmas. We had to take it back three times to get one that worked. All were NIB. The interior lights on ATSF caboose I received the year before did not work right out of the box. My dad was able to fix them without having to go back to Sears. So, you¹re right. Not much has changed, but it goes back further than the 1980¹s. Roy Inman on 12/20/09 12:25 PM, Ben at lbstiles@verizon. net wrote: > > > > > > Sad but true. It is hard to manage product quality from 1000s of miles away. > When the plant was in New Haven...and the boss's office was fifteen feet above > the workers, quality control was easy to maintain. > > Ben > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> , robert > hendrickson <canambob91710k@ ...> wrote: >> > >> > This thread and the one about trucks falling apart speak volumes about >> Lionel's quality control ( or lack thereof ) >> > >> > --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@.. .> wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@.. .> >> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy GRINDING NOISE! >> > To: s-trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:s-trains% 40yahoogroups. com> >> > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:16 AM >> > >> > >> >   >> > >> > >> > >> > I have determined that this vibrating/grinding is the front motor. It seems >> the shaft that the flywheel is attached to is sloppy and vibrates up, then up >> and down as it is running forward. Not so much in reverse. My guess is that >> this shaft has a gear on the bottom that drives the axle gears in the >> locomotive's front drive train. >> > >> > Considering the "inside the Big Boy" website, http://www.tuveson >> com/bigboy/ inside_the_ big_boy.htm >> > are these some kind of universal motor that Lionel uses for other products? >> If so, the repair should be no big deal. It looks like I just got a faulty >> motor with a bad shaft. I have the shell casting off, and if I walk beside >> the operating running gear with a finger pushing gently down on the front >> flywheel, it stays true, does not grind/vibrate, etc. Just seems to be that >> shaft is not seated properly. >> > >> > I have looked for a way to tighten it, but there is no visible adjustment >> screw that I can see. >> > >> > Ben >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57753	From: Ben	Date: 12/20/2009
Subject: BB gears

Well, I packed up the Big Boy to take to the Lionel Authorized Repair Station hobby shop tomorrow. They will have to fix that motor under warranty. It does not look like a big deal to change it out. Before packing it, I took off the lower gear covers on the offensive drive train just to get a look and/or better feel about what is going on. The gears on the axles are all metal! I was expecting cheap, possibly stripped plastic gears. The metal gears and axles look very stout and should hold up well to lots of abuse...or just lots of running. I am hopeful that my bad can motor unit is a fluke. I will just be interested to see how long it takes to get the warranty work completed. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57754	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Lionel Quality control

Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@... roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57755	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Big Boy GRINDING NOISE!

And you'd think we, I, would learn. But the lure of a "first" is strong. My NYC and B&O Mikes had to go back at least once. They were our first TMCC engines. Then the later models (UP, Alton, etc. came trouble-free and remained so). This time Santa's hopefully bringing me a Big Boy. Hopefully too one that works and without needing a RA # along with it. This is our first Legacy engine and first articulated engine (not counting scale brass). So far at least it looks as though Carl got a good one. Maybe I should have waited to see if Lionel will make a second or third run? Nah....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57756	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Big Boy Enjoyment.

Make that 2! My AF BB has been running fine for a week, and I have racked up a lot of hours by now. Also, the new AT&SF PA pair have been on hand for week, look pretty sharp, and operate just fine. Bob Bubeck >> So far at least it looks as though Carl got a good one.<< [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57757	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

What are the # of the cars we are talking about?  Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM   Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57758	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: 0 Gage Royal Blue

Help! I've been running trains at the library and did a lube on a Flyer 3-rail Royal Blue. I can't remember-or even figure out-where all the cross head linkages go!!! Can someone e-mail me a pic??-TYIA-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57759	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: BB Oddity

The signal/rail switch refers to SignalSounds or RailSounds. RailSounds being the more advanced sound system and what you'd want the switch toward for TMCC or Legacy operation. Signal Sounds are typically less advanced and previously found on less expensive non-TMCC engines, operating cars, etc. Is there anything in the BB manual about this? I run Legacy so have always left this switch on Rail. Maybe if you run conventional, the switch should be to Signal?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57760	From: Dave	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: 12 More FRUIT CRATE Deecals

We have just added 12 more new FRUIT CRATE decals to our web site. Please follow the link below to view: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Restorations U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57761	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57762	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!

I have bought several new and used copies from Amazon to give as presents. I think it is a beautiful book, and not just because they gave my photo a full page! Lots of color and B & W photos of trains under the Christmas tree, past and present. A few older AF photos (like mine). I have an extra copy hanging around so I'd like to give it to one of my fellow list members. E-mail me your name and mailing address and I will put all names in a hat and pick one winner. I'll even pay postage! Totally free to the winner! Deadline is midnight on Christmas Eve. Take a look at the book here: http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261417710&sr=8-1 So, if you would like to win a free copy, send me your name and mailing address pronto. Again, the deadline is midnight, Christmas eve. My e-mail is bassflyer@... Merry Christmas to all! Rick Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

Just like my engine that I never ran that I got new that was from AM in 1993 or so, till I decided to run on my layout 2 years ago and it had many issues. After going back and forth with Ron of AM, it cost me 40 to repair. Oh well. Check product as you get it is the answer. I had no layout at the time and I did not think when I did have a layout later, the engine would have defects, like the metal housing for one truck cracked! I wrote about this before this year. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: grdobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@... roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57764	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!

Steve Blackburn _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:27:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, bassflyer@... writes: I have bought several new and used copies from Amazon to give as presents. I think it is a beautiful book, and not just because they gave my photo a full page! Lots of color and B & W photos of trains under the Christmas tree, past and present. A few older AF photos (like mine). I have an extra copy hanging around so I'd like to give it to one of my fellow list members. E-mail me your name and mailing address and I will put all names in a hat and pick one winner. I'll even pay postage! Totally free to the winner! Deadline is midnight on Christmas Eve. Take a look at the book here: _http://www.amazon.http://www.amahttp://wwhttp://www.http://www.amahttp://ww http://ww&<WBR>s=&qid=qid=<WBR>1&<WBR>s_ (http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261417710&sr =8-1) So, if you would like to win a free copy, send me your name and mailing address pronto. Again, the deadline is midnight, Christmas eve. My e-mail is _bassflyer@..._ (mailto:bassflyer@...) Merry Christmas to all! Rick Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57765	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Mike's need for two springs

- GreetingS - Mike M commented that he needs two springs for his American Flyer motor. Perhaps if a smaller key is used on the winding stem, the spring will last longer, tho it will take a bit longer to wind up the motor. All kidding aside, may everyone have a traditional Merry Christmas and a jolly holiday. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57766	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!

"Deadline is midnight on Christmas Eve" And that will be midnight CALIFORNIA time! Rick On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > I have bought several new and used copies from Amazon to give as > presents. I think it is a beautiful book, and not just because they gave my photo > a full page! Lots of color and B & W photos of trains under the Christmas tree, > past and present. A few older AF photos (like mine). > I have an extra copy hanging around so I'd like to give it to one of my fellow list members. > E-mail me your name and mailing address and I will put all names in a hat and > pick one winner. I'll even pay postage! Totally free to the winner! > Deadline is midnight on Christmas Eve. > Take a look at the book here: > http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261417710&sr=8-1 > > So, if you would like to win a free copy, send me your name and mailing address pronto. > Again, the deadline is midnight, Christmas eve. > My e-mail is bassflyer@... > > Merry Christmas to all! > > Rick Evans > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57767	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Oil Drum Loader

I have not reported on the latest on the layout for some time. I am giving the AF Oil Drum loader a make over. I painted the base Age Concrete and putting brick paper on the building leaving the windows exposed. I am half way done and it does not look bad. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57768	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

Thank you Ron.  I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made.  Clayton Oregon  --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@...> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM   these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57769	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!

Thirteen folks have entered already! I've commented about this book almost every Christmas since it came out. John Grams did a GREAT job in my opinion on this book. Makes a perfect coffee table book during the holidays, even for folks without trains! I know some of you have seen this photo a million times, but here it is again. Page 33 in the book, and a FULL page at that! http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Christmas-Layouts/Rick_Christmas_1962 Good luck to all that enters! Rick On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > I have bought several new and used copies from Amazon to give as > presents. I think it is a beautiful book, and not just because they gave my photo > a full page! Lots of color and B & W photos of trains under the Christmas tree, > past and present. A few older AF photos (like mine). > I have an extra copy hanging around so I'd like to give it to one of my fellow list members. > E-mail me your name and mailing address and I will put all names in a hat and > pick one winner. I'll even pay postage! Totally free to the winner! > Deadline is midnight on Christmas Eve. > Take a look at the book here: > http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261417710&sr=8-1 > > So, if you would like to win a free copy, send me your name and mailing address pronto. > Again, the deadline is midnight, Christmas eve. > My e-mail is bassflyer@... > > Merry Christmas to all! > > Rick Evans > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57770	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Mike's need for two springs

I have my Dad's Marklin trains,and the train is key wind from 1915 or so. I needed a key for it to work, and one came up on ebay. I had to pay $50 for the key, and I did not know if it fit or worked for this old train. Well it fit, and matched the nickel  finnish. I now know this is the right key for this train too. Your key joke made me think of how much I put out to get a key for his train... Thanks George....  Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: From: Rhett George <rtg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Mike's need for two springs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 11:55 AM   - GreetingS - Mike M commented that he needs two springs for his American Flyer motor. Perhaps if a smaller key is used on the winding stem, the spring will last longer, tho it will take a bit longer to wind up the motor. All kidding aside, may everyone have a traditional Merry Christmas and a jolly holiday. CheerS, Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57771	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!

Yer in! On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Boss31@... wrote: > Steve Blackburn > _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) > > > In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:27:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > bassflyer@... writes: > > > > > I have bought several new and used copies from Amazon to give as > presents. I think it is a beautiful book, and not just because they gave > my photo > a full page! Lots of color and B & W photos of trains under the Christmas > tree, > past and present. A few older AF photos (like mine). > I have an extra copy hanging around so I'd like to give it to one of my > fellow list members. > E-mail me your name and mailing address and I will put all names in a hat > and > pick one winner. I'll even pay postage! Totally free to the winner! > Deadline is midnight on Christmas Eve. > Take a look at the book here: > _http://www.amazon.http://www.amahttp://wwhttp://www.http://www.amahttp://ww > http://ww&<WBR>s=&qid=qid=<WBR>1&<WBR>s_ > (http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261417710&sr > =8-1) > > So, if you would like to win a free copy, send me your name and mailing > address pronto. > Again, the deadline is midnight, Christmas eve. > My e-mail is _bassflyer@..._ (mailto:bassflyer@...) > > Merry Christmas to all! > > Rick Evans > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57772	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Mike's need for two springs

Rhet, I just saw your email on my quest for springs. let me make this perfectly clear, to quote someone, that the springs where not defective. In trying to get this engine to run, somehow I discovered that one spring was missing, so I figured I would take out a spring from another Hudson, as this Hudson runs better under the tree with better smoke, as I could get it to run for a moment without the spring and use it in that Hudson missing the spring. LONG Sentence. LOL However, in doing that I lost the spring that was still with that engine. So that is why I need two springs, which I am not in dire need of, since I can't use these engines on my DCC layout and they are display engines from my AF collection. So, I can wait till I go to York for them. As you had a great pun, but neither spring was damaged, etc. LOL And I am good at destroying things, but not this time. Should be a simple fix in April. Mike S mentioned my O gauge Christmas cards. One O gauger friend was very impressed with a Lionel something engine on the cover, as it is Neil the Gateman on the cover that is impressive. LOL Next year Mike S gets a Tom Waits Christmas card. you would not know how I torture Mike with Tom Waits youtubes, as you think the emails we get from someone is torture, Tom is torture to Mike. All in good fun. Without this list I would of never of gotten to know many people including my good friend Mike of Oregon. Mike in MD. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57773	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: AF Oil Drum Loader.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc I gave my AF Oil Drum Loader a complete makeover as I painted the base aged concrete and put S scale brick paper on the walls. I am checking about green touch up paint. It will now look better on the layout, as I have no problems in doing this to the unit. there are six pictures. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57774	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it!   Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM   Thank you Ron.  I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made.  Clayton Oregon  --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM   these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57775	From: kathre1	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

The problem turns out to be boiler body contact with the highest point of metal from the starboard front drivers gear casting when that driver truck assembly swings right in a right turn (running the engine clockwise in an oval). This of course on tight curve Flyer sectional track. Seems to rule out unlevel track as I have level track in the 4 turns affected. I cut and placed a piece of electrical tape on the body where the paint had been rubbed off and--sure enough the engine runs smoothly through the turns now. I noted that the port side showed some of the same wear in same spot. Will be looking to determine how to permanently correct this. It is a quasi electrical short for those who encounter this. Perhaps bad for the electronics. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > John, > > Check the pickup wire on the front truck to see if it is loose. The wire is > held on with a screw, be sure it is tight. > > The front truck is a pickup for one rail and the rear truck is a pickup for > the other rail. > > Also look to see that all of the running gear, side rods etc. are in place > and not loose. There are probably insulating washers in the rod assy and if > they are loose they could short? > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of kathre1 > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:16 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY OPERATIONS > > > > Being fortunate to have this, the biggest AF engine yet, I noticed > something peculiar. This engine handles the tight AF radius well however... > I have an AMP gauge monitoring the track and find that once this monster > enters a turn at slow speed, it causes a momentary spike to 6 amps or > more--not good. The engine pauses and restarts. Can this be some sort of > short with a body contact or whatever? I'm trying to figure this out but the > size of the engine coupled with an unfamiliarity as to electrical pickups > and such--this could be a science project. Meanwhile, the first giveaway to > the problem was a hum/vibration from the 30B indicating a surge--then I > looked at the amp gauge. I appreciate Lionel's follow through in getting > this engine to the retail market given how they backed out of the SD 40 > years ago. Plus, it is rugged and handsome---it's a thumbs up from me. The > only negatives from me are 1) the Legacy issue--you have to have Lionel's > Legacy controller to fully enjoy the features? 2) Why did they stick a > Lionel magnet coupler on the tender? Help! > > John R > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57776	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57777	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

I WIL contact them tomorrow, expect to be "Out of Warranty", JUST LIKE GM engines with built in faults. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:32:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57778	From: preardon4girls	Date: 12/21/2009
Subject: Stringing telephone wires

Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. Thanks in Advance, Pat, in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57779	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Stringing telephone wires

My son used this stuff but stretched it out for some time between push pins. It hung very nicely after the stretch. Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57780	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Dave Pierce

TCA, SJSG & PVMR member Dave Pierce goes to Christiana, DE hospital Tuesday for Open Heart Surgery. Dave has a serious valve problem to be corrected. Dave repairs American Flyer at NTTM, is/was a member of the South Jersey "S" Gaugers and is a member of PVMR. Keeping Dave in our prayers could certainly help. Thanks, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57781	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Big boy

I don't know whether to hope someone from Lionel is watching this site or not. On one hand they need to be aware that some are having problems with the new engine, but on the other hand, if I were them, I sure would hesitate to ever try to introduce a new engine if all the people do is complain. I for one have had no problems with my Big Boy. I am using TMCC and everything is running just as advertised. So are all of the previous engines I have purchased from them. Most of my, over fifty steam engines, are Gilbert and I would favorably compare the BB with any of them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57782	From: John	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires

Hi Pat Have you thought about using heavy black sewing thread.? I think that would give you what you are looking for. And it's cheap too john --- preardon4girls@... wrote: From: "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Stringing telephone wires Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:39:19 -0000 Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. Thanks in Advance, Pat, in Maine ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57783	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires

Don't pull it too hard when going to the next pole? Seriously. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: preardon4girls To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Stringing telephone wires Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. Thanks in Advance, Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57784	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

Jim, I did not know that was you. but still contact them first, then put up a good fight. LOL I guess in the future, for anything we buy, check it out first before putting it away. Are you sure your Lionel items are not falling apart from being stored in your very cold train room. LOL Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control I WIL contact them tomorrow, expect to be "Out of Warranty", JUST LIKE GM engines with built in faults. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/21/2009 9:32:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57785	From: innotron	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.

Nice work Mike, You now have a unique accessory and I am all for blending our beloved accessories into more realistic settings. Especially if the item is old and funky. Why go to all the work to make it over if it is just going to look like all the others again? Some will tell you leave it funky, pour fake rust on it and apply graffiti for the sake of reality. If it has to look that bad, I don't want to look at it. Since it is my town, I set the rules to disallow ugly. I always vary my buildings to be unique, I modified my AF Water Tower to activate the spout with a kit from Z-stuff for trains. It can be removed without damage to the tower. I built a post office without a back wall so the grandkids would have somewhere to aim at when returning mail bags from the mail car and thus saving me a fortune in mail bags, I added a small warehouse to the baggage loader to create a diorama instead of an accessory operating conspicuously out in the open for no apparent reason. Make it what you want it to be and if others like it that's ok too. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc I gave my AF Oil Drum Loader a complete makeover as I painted the base aged concrete and put S scale brick paper on the walls. I am checking about green touch up paint. It will now look better on the layout, as I have no problems in doing this to the unit. there are six pictures. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/09 6:16 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57786	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Dallee 9vBRLT installation in AF Big Boy

here's the link showing the 9vBRLT installation in the AF Big Boy... http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Sample%20Installations/9VBRLT_INSTALL_in_AF_by_Lionel.pdf Nick Mescher www.classictrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57787	From: Edward	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires

..Look Better than what ...???..I dont know what the question is...stretchy stuff...??????...I have and always use spools of black thread on my poles....even as a kid I stole my Moms sewing thread....Always looked great ...as long as I kept the cats off my train table..and watched my big meathooks when i was in a hurry ..then i played Linesman...and was doing repairs ...LOLOLOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. > > Thanks in Advance, > Pat, in Maine >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57788	From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BB Oddity

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > The signal/rail switch refers to SignalSounds or RailSounds. RailSounds being the more advanced sound system and what you'd want the switch toward for TMCC or Legacy operation. Signal Sounds are typically less advanced and previously found on less expensive non-TMCC engines, operating cars, etc. Is there anything in the BB manual about this? I run Legacy so have always left this switch on Rail. Maybe if you run conventional, the switch should be to Signal? > Nothing in the manual re the question. I left in the factory position and all sounds work. However, what's with the engine smoking only some of the time?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57789	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.

Hi Alex, Thanks, as I am going to redo the walls with pieces of brick and make it one piece for each wall like I did AFTER I did the first ones piecing it together. LOL The accessory is not a highly desirable Mint piece, so what the heck. It will be enjoyed on the layout for hopefully 20 to 30 years. I do have some Pullman Green paint coming from Doug Peck. Not a perfect match, but it will touch up the green nicely, I am sure. Sounds like you did some nice things, as yes, where did this oil come from. Why the little house on the Oil Drum loader. My apologies to Laura Ingalls. LOL Actually Linda said this little building reminds her of the building on a bridge for the Ausable Chasm in upstate NY. That little building hold allot of oil, as it is Hugo's favorite brand. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: innotron To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader. Nice work Mike, You now have a unique accessory and I am all for blending our beloved accessories into more realistic settings. Especially if the item is old and funky. Why go to all the work to make it over if it is just going to look like all the others again? Some will tell you leave it funky, pour fake rust on it and apply graffiti for the sake of reality. If it has to look that bad, I don't want to look at it. Since it is my town, I set the rules to disallow ugly. I always vary my buildings to be unique, I modified my AF Water Tower to activate the spout with a kit from Z-stuff for trains. It can be removed without damage to the tower. I built a post office without a back wall so the grandkids would have somewhere to aim at when returning mail bags from the mail car and thus saving me a fortune in mail bags, I added a small warehouse to the baggage loader to create a diorama instead of an accessory operating conspicuously out in the open for no apparent reason. Make it what you want it to be and if others like it that's ok too. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S trains Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/220916531/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=421&count=20&dir=asc I gave my AF Oil Drum Loader a complete makeover as I painted the base aged concrete and put S scale brick paper on the walls. I am checking about green touch up paint. It will now look better on the layout, as I have no problems in doing this to the unit. there are six pictures. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/09 6:16 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57790	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires

actually the idea of heavy black thread might be good, because you can hardly see the EZ Line at times. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stringing telephone wires ..Look Better than what ...???..I dont know what the question is...stretchy stuff...??????...I have and always use spools of black thread on my poles....even as a kid I stole my Moms sewing thread....Always looked great ...as long as I kept the cats off my train table..and watched my big meathooks when i was in a hurry ..then i played Linesman...and was doing repairs ...LOLOLOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. > > Thanks in Advance, > Pat, in Maine > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57791	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires

A follow up . I used heavy EZ line and it is not loopy as I know what you mean and it looks just fine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stringing telephone wires ..Look Better than what ...???..I dont know what the question is...stretchy stuff...??????...I have and always use spools of black thread on my poles....even as a kid I stole my Moms sewing thread....Always looked great ...as long as I kept the cats off my train table..and watched my big meathooks when i was in a hurry ..then i played Linesman...and was doing repairs ...LOLOLOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. > > Thanks in Advance, > Pat, in Maine > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57792	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BB Oddity

It may be that if it was putting out copious smoke, the smoke regulator went into over current shutdown temporarily. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of nabecker@... Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BB Oddity --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > The signal/rail switch refers to SignalSounds or RailSounds. RailSounds being the more advanced sound system and what you'd want the switch toward for TMCC or Legacy operation. Signal Sounds are typically less advanced and previously found on less expensive non-TMCC engines, operating cars, etc. Is there anything in the BB manual about this? I run Legacy so have always left this switch on Rail. Maybe if you run conventional, the switch should be to Signal? > Nothing in the manual re the question. I left in the factory position and all sounds work. However, what's with the engine smoking only some of the time? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57793	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.

Very nice Mike! --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader. To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:52 PM   http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/220916531/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=421& count=20& dir=asc I gave my AF Oil Drum Loader a complete makeover as I painted the base aged concrete and put S scale brick paper on the walls. I am checking about green touch up paint. It will now look better on the layout, as I have no problems in doing this to the unit. there are six pictures. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57794	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: (no subject)

________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Lionel Quality control Posted by: "clayton deich" uvl97222@... uvl97222 Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:23 am ((PST)) What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM MY last unit was a # 1272 Rocklsand F unit. Lionel had put scale trucks on it, They found the flanges were to small, it would not track. they changed all the units they had in stock, mine left the factory before the change, it was not discovered before the warranty run out, the factory just said TUFF LUCK Talked to the factory and to the factory, local Lionel service station, & the factory rep. It was OUT OF WARRANTY CAUTION: Our government is out of warranty ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=_qg9DDhubZkmXhpZsfVQwAAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57795	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: LocoMatic Controller

Hi Folks, I have turned to the dark side. That is, I am reconverting my SHS locos from straight DC, code 110 wheels and KayDee couplers to Flyer-compatible wheels and couplers. I find that to access some of the sound features, I really need a LocoMatic controller. I see them on the Dallee site, but, not on our beloved Showcase Line site. Do I need to go to Dallee direct to get one of these things? Merry Christmas to most of you and Happy New Year to all of you, Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57796	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

Thanks for diagnosing the issue. Please let us know what you believe a permanent fix might be. Can you provide any pics showing the problematic contact location? Thanks. The problem turns out to be boiler body contact with the highest point of metal from the starboard front drivers gear casting when that driver truck assembly swings right in a right turn (running the engine clockwise in an oval).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57797	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader.

Thanks Clayton, as someone give me the idea to paint the fork lift yellow. Might look into, as I know the folk lift is worth millions. LOL mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader. Very nice Mike! --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Oil Drum Loader. To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:52 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 739856960/ pic/220916531/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=421& count=20& dir=asc I gave my AF Oil Drum Loader a complete makeover as I painted the base aged concrete and put S scale brick paper on the walls. I am checking about green touch up paint. It will now look better on the layout, as I have no problems in doing this to the unit. there are six pictures. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57798	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy

Well said, Bud!  I quite agree.  My Flyonel Mikado and Alcos work beautifully and get lots of attention wherever I take them.  Just like my SHS diesels and the Gilbert Royal Blue that I got when I was five. --- On Mon, 12/21/09, wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...> wrote: From: wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Big boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 7:57 PM   I don't know whether to hope someone from Lionel is watching this site or not. On one hand they need to be aware that some are having problems with the new engine, but on the other hand, if I were them, I sure would hesitate to ever try to introduce a new engine if all the people do is complain. I for one have had no problems with my Big Boy. I am using TMCC and everything is running just as advertised. So are all of the previous engines I have purchased from them. Most of my, over fifty steam engines, are Gilbert and I would favorably compare the BB with any of them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57799	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: (unknown)

They should have made new parts for all of the line that had been made with the bad parts, and hold them in the parts area. Then told you yes it is out of warranty, but we will send you the parts to have it repaired. That would be better then shutting you down with no help. You may need to pay for the repair time, but not the part. What are they thinking back there?  Clayton  Oregon --- On Tue, 12/22/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] (unknown) To: uvl97222@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 7:27 AM   ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ 1b. Re: Lionel Quality control Posted by: "clayton deich" uvl97222@yahoo. com uvl97222 Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:23 am ((PST)) What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM MY last unit was a # 1272 Rocklsand F unit. Lionel had put scale trucks on it, They found the flanges were to small, it would not track. they changed all the units they had in stock, mine left the factory before the change, it was not discovered before the warranty run out, the factory just said TUFF LUCK Talked to the factory and to the factory, local Lionel service station, & the factory rep. It was OUT OF WARRANTY CAUTION: Our government is out of warranty ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=_qg9DDhubZk mXhpZsfVQwAAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57800	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller

You will need to get them from Dallee or we sell them too. I don't think SHS has any left in stock, but I may be wrong. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/22/2009 9:46:10 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, wpporter@... writes: Hi Folks, I have turned to the dark side. That is, I am reconverting my SHS locos from straight DC, code 110 wheels and KayDee couplers to Flyer-compatible wheels and couplers. I find that to access some of the sound features, I really need a LocoMatic controller. I see them on the Dallee site, but, not on our beloved Showcase Line site. Do I need to go to Dallee direct to get one of these things? Merry Christmas to most of you and Happy New Year to all of you, Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57801	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy

I think if the complaints were unwarranted then Lionel would have reason for concern. However, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a new, long delayed, highly anticipated item such as the Big Boy to be so problematic right out of the box. I believe most of the members of this group eagerly await new releases from the big L rather than just rehashing older items but we would like Lionel to tighten up quality control a little more. All of us are shelling out hard earned dollars on these items, is it too much to expect them to be right and work fresh out of the box?   Bob --- On Mon, 12/21/09, wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...> wrote: From: wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Big boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 10:57 PM   I don't know whether to hope someone from Lionel is watching this site or not. On one hand they need to be aware that some are having problems with the new engine, but on the other hand, if I were them, I sure would hesitate to ever try to introduce a new engine if all the people do is complain. I for one have had no problems with my Big Boy. I am using TMCC and everything is running just as advertised. So are all of the previous engines I have purchased from them. Most of my, over fifty steam engines, are Gilbert and I would favorably compare the BB with any of them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57802	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

Mike why have a Quality control Department if this keep coming up. If this happened at the place that I work at people would die in the air, and on the ground. The old movies of AC showed the work being done with all out going trains checked. Why not drop the price, and send crap out the door? I don't think that is what they want to do, but some one should be out the door for giving them a black eye in the way of there quality of what they ship off the docks. We are known for quality goods here in the USA, and if they are out of the US then there needs to be a once over of at least to start with of 25% and after say 10000 items cleared then drop the number down. We have a 0% return on the goods that we make, and that's not to say that we hit that all the time. We are also an ISO company, and all reports are up for the companies to review that we sell to. We have SOP's PCP's and last but not least the QCM, and this would be good training for them in the real world of high end goods.    Clayton  Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:18 PM   How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57803	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires

Pat, I have had good success with uncoated thread strung between poles. Leave a little slack and after the glue that fastens the thread is dry... use a steamer to relax the kinks out of the thread. It helps to steam the thread before attaching it as well. Hope this helps. mark anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:39:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Stringing telephone wires Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. Thanks in Advance, Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57804	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

LOL All companies have one, but then, maybe Lionel does not. LOL but people keep buying there products and they will keep sending out crap, I guess. LOL I wish all those who paid good money for this engine the best in getting your issues taken care of. I have no idea why these things happen when you have quality control dept. maybe they did not run the engine(s) long enough, as I do not know if these issues happen right away or over time. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control Mike why have a Quality control Department if this keep coming up. If this happened at the place that I work at people would die in the air, and on the ground. The old movies of AC showed the work being done with all out going trains checked. Why not drop the price, and send crap out the door? I don't think that is what they want to do, but some one should be out the door for giving them a black eye in the way of there quality of what they ship off the docks. We are known for quality goods here in the USA, and if they are out of the US then there needs to be a once over of at least to start with of 25% and after say 10000 items cleared then drop the number down. We have a 0% return on the goods that we make, and that's not to say that we hit that all the time. We are also an ISO company, and all reports are up for the companies to review that we sell to. We have SOP's PCP's and last but not least the QCM, and this would be good training for them in the real world of high end goods. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:18 PM How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57805	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy

Having not received any Big Boys yet, I can't comment. But I did have to return my Mikado to Lionel twice with Cherry switch failures. It has run flawlessly since then. Steve In a message dated 12/22/2009 9:51:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: Well said, Bud! I quite agree. My Flyonel Mikado and Alcos work beautifully and get lots of attention wherever I take them. Just like my SHS diesels and the Gilbert Royal Blue that I got when I was five. --- On Mon, 12/21/09, wjchadbourne <_wjchadbourne@wjchadbourwjc_ (mailto:wjchadbourne@...) > wrote: From: wjchadbourne <_wjchadbourne@wjchadbourwjc_ (mailto:wjchadbourne@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Big boy To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 7:57 PM I don't know whether to hope someone from Lionel is watching this site or not. On one hand they need to be aware that some are having problems with the new engine, but on the other hand, if I were them, I sure would hesitate to ever try to introduce a new engine if all the people do is complain. I for one have had no problems with my Big Boy. I am using TMCC and everything is running just as advertised. So are all of the previous engines I have purchased from them. Most of my, over fifty steam engines, are Gilbert and I would favorably compare the BB with any of them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57806	From: nabecker@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Train Tracker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "N Becker" <nabecker@...> wrote: > > > Anyone know of a way to retrieve the database information from Train Tracker > 5.5? > > TIA > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Placed an order for Train Minder, received confirmation, cc charged but no registration key or download instructions sent by them. Sent three emails so far; no answer. Tried calling only to get an answering machine. Have I been scammed?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57807	From: N Becker	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Big boy

I wonder if Lionel (or any other S mfg for that matter) sends out new products to consumers for beta testing. My BB seems to be running fine now (knock on wood), maybe just break in quirks? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57808	From: barry_ja	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy

Re; Maybe Lionel thinks that most people will just display their s-gauge equipment instead of running it. I see lots of people even on this list that display their trains and do not run, or at least looks that way. Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote > > Having not received any Big Boys yet, I can't comment. But I did have to > return my Mikado to Lionel twice with Cherry switch failures. It has run > flawlessly since then. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 12/22/2009 9:51:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > theupstairstrain@... writes: > > > > > Well said, Bud! I quite agree. My Flyonel Mikado and Alcos work > beautifully and get lots of attention wherever I take them. Just like my SHS > diesels and the Gilbert Royal Blue that I got when I was five. > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, wjchadbourne <_wjchadbourne@wjchadbourwjc_ > (mailto:wjchadbourne@...) > wrote: > > From: wjchadbourne <_wjchadbourne@wjchadbourwjc_ > (mailto:wjchadbourne@...) > > Subject: [S-Trains] Big boy > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 7:57 PM > > > > I don't know whether to hope someone from Lionel is watching this site or > not. On one hand they need to be aware that some are having problems with > the new engine, but on the other hand, if I were them, I sure would hesitate > to ever try to introduce a new engine if all the people do is complain. > > I for one have had no problems with my Big Boy. I am using TMCC and > everything is running just as advertised. So are all of the previous engines I > have purchased from them. > > Most of my, over fifty steam engines, are Gilbert and I would favorably > compare the BB with any of them. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57809	From: N Becker	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Train Minder Software

Placed order, received confirmation e-mail, credit card charged but nothing further. They have not sent download info or reg key. Sent them emails (no replies) and called twice (answering machine). Not a good sign. Is this a case of buyer beware? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57810	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller

Dear Bill, If you want to convert your code 2-8-0 to AF comp. Please contact us first. We found out the hard way that it is not easy. We will work something out I am sure you will be happy. Re: LocoMaitc controller - Yes, we are currently sold out and that is why we have removed from our website. Dallas does have these in stock and they are the next generation that does not require the 9 volt external power source. Best, Don PS Contact me.... On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Bill Porter wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I have turned to the dark side. That is, I am reconverting my SHS > locos > from straight DC, code 110 wheels and KayDee couplers to > Flyer-compatible wheels and couplers. I find that to access some of > the > sound features, I really need a LocoMatic controller. I see them on > the > Dallee site, but, not on our beloved Showcase Line site. Do I need > to go > to Dallee direct to get one of these things? > > Merry Christmas to most of you and Happy New Year to all of you, > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57811	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

I meant for anyone having a issue with anything in life with a company to contact them first, to cover yourself, before going further with protest, etc. Yes, I know that contacting Lionel might not work with these trucks, but at least you did your part in trying to deal with a business in a professional way. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control LOL All companies have one, but then, maybe Lionel does not. LOL but people keep buying there products and they will keep sending out crap, I guess. LOL I wish all those who paid good money for this engine the best in getting your issues taken care of. I have no idea why these things happen when you have quality control dept. maybe they did not run the engine(s) long enough, as I do not know if these issues happen right away or over time. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control Mike why have a Quality control Department if this keep coming up. If this happened at the place that I work at people would die in the air, and on the ground. The old movies of AC showed the work being done with all out going trains checked. Why not drop the price, and send crap out the door? I don't think that is what they want to do, but some one should be out the door for giving them a black eye in the way of there quality of what they ship off the docks. We are known for quality goods here in the USA, and if they are out of the US then there needs to be a once over of at least to start with of 25% and after say 10000 items cleared then drop the number down. We have a 0% return on the goods that we make, and that's not to say that we hit that all the time. We are also an ISO company, and all reports are up for the companies to review that we sell to. We have SOP's PCP's and last but not least the QCM, and this would be good training for them in the real world of high end goods. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:18 PM How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57812	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller

Thanks Steve. Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LocoMatic Controller You will need to get them from Dallee or we sell them too. I don't think SHS has any left in stock, but I may be wrong. Steve SnS Trains Boise ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57813	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Big boy

I KNOW that at least some testing as well as evaluation is done by some manufacturers, by independents. I've seen some of it. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/22/2009 3:31:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nabecker@... writes: I wonder if Lionel (or any other S mfg for that matter) sends out new products to consumers for beta testing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57814	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder Software

I got my copy when it first came out with no problems,but have not had an update since. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: N Becker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Minder Software Placed order, received confirmation e-mail, credit card charged but nothing further. They have not sent download info or reg key. Sent them emails (no replies) and called twice (answering machine). Not a good sign. Is this a case of buyer beware? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date: 12/22/09 18:22:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57815	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller

Consider converting to AC with TMCC, instead of AC Locomatic. Ed Goldinhand does conversions or you can buy the electronic components and DIY. The 10-button Locomatic system is "good" for accessing some otherwise unique sound/light features on some SHS engines (e.g. the Mars light on an F-unit, sounds and cab light on AC NW-2, sounds on aftermarket Dallee equipped AM TrainMasters), but otherwise TMCC far outdoes Locomatic as a modern command system and operating platform. I've converted some of my AM, AF, and SHS engines from AC conventional and AC Locomatic to TMCC (including an SHS 2-8-0) and have been very glad every time I did. I still run some engines conventionally and with Locomatic (although fewer and less often than ever), and DCC as well (good stuff there too). PS If you are seriously considering the 2-8-0 in Locomatic, I encourage you to see and hear one first. I love the S-Helper crew and their products, but the chuff and whistle on my 2 previously Locomatic 2-8-0's are what motivated me to convert one to TMCC and the other to DCC.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57816	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: Stringing telephone wires

Thank You Mark and everyone who spoke up with help. Steaming is something I haven't tried, but I just did and .....It Works! Thanks a bunch, Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Manderman@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stringing telephone wires Pat, I have had good success with uncoated thread strung between poles. Leave a little slack and after the glue that fastens the thread is dry... use a steamer to relax the kinks out of the thread. It helps to steam the thread before attaching it as well. Hope this helps. mark anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:39:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Stringing telephone wires Does anyone have a successful method for making the wires on telephone poles look better? The stretchy stuff looks to "lineal" and I haven't found a good way to mimic the natural sag of the protoype. Thanks in Advance, Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57817	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller

Thanks for the info Don. Sadly, I do not have one of those 2-8-0 locos. Maybe someday. I am laying track for the S-gauge portion of my new layout using mostly Gargraves flex and old Flyer turnouts. It is a nostalgia thing I guess. When I tested last night with my SHS Christmas Train (I have all but one car) which I had set up with code 110 flanges and Kaydee couplers, I had problems and decided to fit the Flyer-compatible stuff. When I did that, I rediscovered the sound system in that loco. I know I have at least one other SHS engine with sound (a pair of F-3s). I wired my layout with all MRC power using those big 600AH transformers and some downstream boxes that optionally convert to DC and reverse polarity when required. I had just never been interested in the AC stuff. My Flyer locos are either equipped with diode bridges or with SnS can motors. Now, I see that there is very nice sound that I cannot access with the Bell and Horn buttons and that drove me to actually read the manual. Hoo Ha, now I may need an alternate downstream box or two to engage a LocoMatic when I need it. This is all getting very interesting. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LocoMatic Controller Dear Bill, If you want to convert your code 2-8-0 to AF comp. Please contact us first. We found out the hard way that it is not easy. We will work something out I am sure you will be happy. Re: LocoMaitc controller - Yes, we are currently sold out and that is why we have removed from our website. Dallas does have these in stock and they are the next generation that does not require the 9 volt external power source. Best, Don PS Contact me.... _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57818	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: BB trucks hitting action rail

Hi all, I haven't run mine yet, but did look it over carefully, and suspect the one report we had on this is correct because the Flyonel PAs had this problem (don't know if the current production does. The Flyonel PAs use the late mold with the built in steps, and Flyonel "upgraded" them by applying the metal steps. Oops, they fastened them on the molded step, bringing them closer to the rail, and they hang just right to strike the action rail. The BB trailing truck and tender trucks look to have the same problem. I doubt they "field-tested" them on a traditionally tracked layout with action rails. The centipede truck side frames, part of the tender body, appear to be solvable by very carefully cutting them off, add a small angle metal to the top insides of them, and then screw the angle metal to the tender floor. By using screws, you can take them off if they hinder access to anything. Now the trailing truck, and the tender lead truck look a little more complicated to "fix" especially since they pick up power from both rails. The only problem I have with this is; I am certain these repairs/upgrades will void the warranty! Well, and why didn't the factory look for these things??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57819	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: LocoMatic Controller

Hi, Is this Don H.? I am never sure when I see that signature. I am not considering any form of Command Control. I have too many locos of various sorts to bother with that sort of expense. Worse than that, some are collector items I prefer to keep as original. My layout has both O-gauge and S-gauge tracks. The trains I have to run are all pretty close to the same scale in size. It was a matter of a very few dollars to equip the 4 throttles with AC-versus-DC toggles and that is in my comfort zone. The various competing forms of command control currently and recently on the market are all too finicky, too complex and insufficiently robust to offer me any advantage. Maybe if the industry someday adopts a single standard and make it at least as bullet-proof as universal motors or can motors, I'll give it some thought. We all recall the sadness with which some viewed the failure of BetaMax video. The trains made 50 years before that time and some still being made today continue to operate correctly and in a fashion that 10-year old kids and 66 year old men can appreciate. I am really skeptical that any of the modern electronic gadgets will survive 15 years. I spent too many years working on the bleeding edge of technology to seek that sort of experience in my hobby. If I need to use static-protection devices in order to work on the innards of a train, then I am sure it will fail sooner rather than later. And as I said, I still don't have one of those lovely steamers. I don't really plan to convert any of my existing locos to LocoMatic if they don't already have it. All I really want is the horn and bell. For the one or two LocoMatic engines I already have, I may just add the LocoMatic option to the throttle. That is just one DPDT switch and a small panel. I hope that is not too much of a curmudgeonly answer to your kindly suggestion, especially this close to Christmas. I do appreciate your thoughts. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LocoMatic Controller Consider converting to AC with TMCC, instead of AC Locomatic. Ed Goldinhand does conversions or you can buy the electronic components and DIY. The 10-button Locomatic system is "good" for accessing some otherwise unique sound/light features on some SHS engines (e.g. the Mars light on an F-unit, sounds and cab light on AC NW-2, sounds on aftermarket Dallee equipped AM TrainMasters), but otherwise TMCC far outdoes Locomatic as a modern command system and operating platform. I've converted some of my AM, AF, and SHS engines from AC conventional and AC Locomatic to TMCC (including an SHS 2-8-0) and have been very glad every time I did. I still run some engines conventionally and with Locomatic (although fewer and less often than ever), and DCC as well (good stuff there too). PS If you are seriously considering the 2-8-0 in Locomatic, I encourage you to see and hear one first. I love the S-Helper crew and their products, but the chuff and whistle on my 2 previously Locomatic 2-8-0's are what motivated me to convert one to TMCC and the other to DCC. ___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57820	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 12/22/2009
Subject: Re: BB trucks hitting action rail

Hello All, and Happy Holidays! Does anyone have a complete numerical list of the AHL trucks that have been made in previous years? Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> To: s-trains list <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06 pm Subject: [S-Trains] BB trucks hitting action rail Hi all, I haven't run mine yet, but did look it over carefully, and suspect the one report we had on this is correct because the Flyonel PAs had this problem (don't know if the current production does. The Flyonel PAs use the late mold with the built in steps, and Flyonel "upgraded" them by applying the metal steps. Oops, they fastened them on the molded step, bringing them closer to the rail, and they hang just right to strike the action rail. The BB trailing truck and tender trucks look to have the same problem. I doubt they "field-tested" them on a traditionally tracked layout with action rails. The centipede truck side frames, part of the tender body, appear to be solvable by very carefully cutting them off, add a small angle metal to the top insides of them, and then screw the angle metal to the tender floor. By using screws, you can take them off if they hinder access to anything. Now the trailing truck, and the tender lead truck look a little more complicated to "fix" especially since they pick up power from both rails. The only problem I have with this is; I am certain these repairs/upgrades will void the warranty! Well, and why didn't the factory look for these things??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57821	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: BB trucks hitting action rail

Hi Dave, Your observation is correct. The trailing truck, the lead tender truck and the faux tender truck side frames all interfere with the No. 712 action rail... and the contact rail fitted to the stockyard, the Guilford Station, and the mail pick up. I have passed these tidings along to Lionel. Rather than perform any modifications to the Big Boy, the situation with my layout will permit me to use the later version 712 made from three pieces of sheet metal. These can be bent back out of the way when running the BB, then bent back in place when running other engines. Fortunately, I have just a few action rails on my main lines. They are mostly located on sidings or passing sidings. Not a perfect solution, but a reasonably quick accommodation for now -- offered here as a suggestion that may help others in their situations. It is a compromise I am willing to make in the near term because the BB is such fun to run. Bob Bubeck >> Hi all, I haven't run mine yet, but did look it over carefully, and suspect the one report we had on this is correct because the Flyonel PAs had this problem (don't know if the current production does. The Flyonel PAs use the late mold with the built in steps, and Flyonel "upgraded" them by applying the metal steps. Oops, they fastened them on the molded step, bringing them closer to the rail, and they hang just right to strike the action rail. The BB trailing truck and tender trucks look to have the same problem. I doubt they "field-tested" them on a traditionally tracked layout with action rails.<< [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57822	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject:

saw the thread on trainminder, got very interested, looked at the demo, wanted to buy program, sent an email, still waiting for a response I realize this is christmas but... so..are they still in business? Is it "safe" to buy from them. Bobby Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57823	From: navmedguy	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: transformer

hi all, I'll be running a 6x10ft layout with 2 trains running at once, and maybe 3 or 4 accessories besides switches. I'd like a power supply with the ability to activate the whistle / bell on, say the american models engines, and simply run my old AF 312. What would be the ideal power supply? and/or the ideal voltage / amps. I have hopes of later adding TMCC. Thanks all. Merry Christmas s-gaugers! dr y

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57824	From: kathre1	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: BIG BOY WARRANTY

Just reading the Lionel warranty on this engine-back page of manual: "Modification of this product in any way, visually mechanically or electronically, voids the warranty in its entirety..." YIKES! John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57825	From: kathre1	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY OPERATIONS

I have taken several pictures tonight....haven't spent much time on this project so far. There is definitely an issue for me with the intermittent contact with the truck and body. The digital pictures actually are pretty revealing with the chipped paint... Had thoughts that maybe the truck's "turret" had a mounting problem, but don't know. Will have to take a closer look over the holidays. Whomever wants to see the pictures, where could I post/send them? I took better quality pics so consequently the file sizes are about 1100K each. John R --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > > Thanks for diagnosing the issue. Please let us know what you believe a permanent fix might be. Can you provide any pics showing the problematic contact location? Thanks. > > > The problem turns out to be boiler body contact with the highest point of metal from the starboard front drivers gear casting when that driver truck assembly swings right in a right turn (running the engine clockwise in an oval). >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57826	From: Bruce	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder Software

This kind of testament is giving me second thoughts regarding whether or not I should consider ordering their product. I know that the owner monitors this list. If he is reading these testaments, he should comment and rectify these discrepancies immediately. Otherwise, he stands to lose goodwill and, ultimately, customers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: N Becker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Minder Software Placed order, received confirmation e-mail, credit card charged but nothing further. They have not sent download info or reg key. Sent them emails (no replies) and called twice (answering machine). Not a good sign. Is this a case of buyer beware? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57827	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

Mike, you know the bast way to fix this would be for them to give us all jobs running trains as a test before they get shipped out. LOL right....  Clayton  Oregon --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 11:52 AM   I meant for anyone having a issue with anything in life with a company to contact them first, to cover yourself, before going further with protest, etc. Yes, I know that contacting Lionel might not work with these trucks, but at least you did your part in trying to deal with a business in a professional way. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control LOL All companies have one, but then, maybe Lionel does not. LOL but people keep buying there products and they will keep sending out crap, I guess. LOL I wish all those who paid good money for this engine the best in getting your issues taken care of. I have no idea why these things happen when you have quality control dept. maybe they did not run the engine(s) long enough, as I do not know if these issues happen right away or over time. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control Mike why have a Quality control Department if this keep coming up. If this happened at the place that I work at people would die in the air, and on the ground. The old movies of AC showed the work being done with all out going trains checked. Why not drop the price, and send crap out the door? I don't think that is what they want to do, but some one should be out the door for giving them a black eye in the way of there quality of what they ship off the docks. We are known for quality goods here in the USA, and if they are out of the US then there needs to be a once over of at least to start with of 25% and after say 10000 items cleared then drop the number down. We have a 0% return on the goods that we make, and that's not to say that we hit that all the time. We are also an ISO company, and all reports are up for the companies to review that we sell to. We have SOP's PCP's and last but not least the QCM, and this would be good training for them in the real world of high end goods. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:18 PM How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57828	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

That is true for many products we buy. I get my cars rust proof at Zeibart, it voids the manufacturer rust warranty because I altered the product. Lionel is protecting themselves here and I agree with that. Who knows if something happens to cause a problem when you are altering something. I am not saying that altering something is bad, but it could cause the item to go defective due to your own doing. Nothing wrong with Lionel in this case. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: kathre1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY WARRANTY Just reading the Lionel warranty on this engine-back page of manual: "Modification of this product in any way, visually mechanically or electronically, voids the warranty in its entirety..." YIKES! John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57829	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

Clayton. Sounds good to me. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control Mike, you know the bast way to fix this would be for them to give us all jobs running trains as a test before they get shipped out. LOL right.... Clayton Oregon --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 11:52 AM I meant for anyone having a issue with anything in life with a company to contact them first, to cover yourself, before going further with protest, etc. Yes, I know that contacting Lionel might not work with these trucks, but at least you did your part in trying to deal with a business in a professional way. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control LOL All companies have one, but then, maybe Lionel does not. LOL but people keep buying there products and they will keep sending out crap, I guess. LOL I wish all those who paid good money for this engine the best in getting your issues taken care of. I have no idea why these things happen when you have quality control dept. maybe they did not run the engine(s) long enough, as I do not know if these issues happen right away or over time. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control Mike why have a Quality control Department if this keep coming up. If this happened at the place that I work at people would die in the air, and on the ground. The old movies of AC showed the work being done with all out going trains checked. Why not drop the price, and send crap out the door? I don't think that is what they want to do, but some one should be out the door for giving them a black eye in the way of there quality of what they ship off the docks. We are known for quality goods here in the USA, and if they are out of the US then there needs to be a once over of at least to start with of 25% and after say 10000 items cleared then drop the number down. We have a 0% return on the goods that we make, and that's not to say that we hit that all the time. We are also an ISO company, and all reports are up for the companies to review that we sell to. We have SOP's PCP's and last but not least the QCM, and this would be good training for them in the real world of high end goods. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@verizon. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:18 PM How about giving Lionel the opportunity to respond to the person with the problem first? I forgot who had this issue, but have you contacted Lionel yet? Go to the website, as they have a email form and they do respond. I have used it many times on product issues. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control A killer idea would be to post some photos of the bad trucks needing repair in here. What do you think? A little bad PR goes a long way... Youtub it! Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 3:35 PM Thank you Ron. I was thinking of getting one of them, but not if they are poorly made. Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <ronnat@cros. net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:34 AM these are the trucks used on the 1991 to present frt.cars with the action cars such as the 49025 dump cars being the worst , as the truck with the outside rail pick up is poorly made. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "clayton deich" <uvl97222@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogrou p s.com> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control What are the # of the cars we are talking about? Clayton Oregon --- On Mon, 12/21/09, grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> wrote: From: grdobbs <grdobbs@juno. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:04 AM Re: Lionel Quality control ? Posted by: "Ron Inscho" ronnat@cros. net roninscho9 Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:50 am ((PST)) As of last count I have over 40 of these cars with defective trucks , All of these were never out of the box until now , these cars all have the new for 1991 & later trucks , Where can I get in touch with someone at Lionel that might understand the problem ? As for the future I am not buying anymore of this poorly made junk . Ron LIONEL WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL THOSE CARS ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WAS TOLD THAT. JERRY 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ c?cp=R3W7evXW7l2 owKG1N3cNZQAAJ1B aTFhggLY1ScahBCX 6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAADNAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrain s.org/gallery/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57830	From: Ben	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

I was e-mailed by Lionel's tech staff to say that the shop I took my BB to for repairs should not have problems getting the needed parts and getting me back "on track." So, after thanking them, I went one step further and asked how the potential month I am losing on my warranty due to a defective product virtually right out of the box and needing to take it in for warranty work will be credited to me? (ie...I should get the amount of time BACK on my one-year warranty to replace the time I am now losing enjoying my product due to a motor problem.) I feel this is the least they can do, and while some of you might think this request is weird, I feel it perfectly within my rights as a consumer to demand this time back. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > That is true for many products we buy. > > I get my cars rust proof at Zeibart, it voids the manufacturer rust warranty because I altered the product. > > Lionel is protecting themselves here and I agree with that. Who knows if something happens to cause a problem when you are altering something. I am not saying that altering something is bad, but it could cause the item to go defective due to your own doing. Nothing wrong with Lionel in this case. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kathre1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:07 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY WARRANTY > > > > Just reading the Lionel warranty on this engine-back page of manual: > > "Modification of this product in any way, visually mechanically or electronically, voids the warranty in its entirety..." > > YIKES! > > John R > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57831	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Rymes with Orange

http://www.azcentral.com/ent/comics/rhymeswithorange.html Toy train comic. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57832	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Rymes with Orange

I forgot to mention that the track in this comic is TWO rail not three. LOL Must be American Flyer then in the comic. Track the way track should be. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Scale ; Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Rymes with Orange http://www.azcentral.com/ent/comics/rhymeswithorange.html Toy train comic. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57833	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

"Your Showcase Line 2-8-0 comes in a beautiful clear plastic showcase. Opening the showcase voids the warranty....." If only I had known how to write warranties....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57834	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

I don't think you were out of line for asking Ben. You can only ask, and let us know what they say.   Clayton Oregon --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 5:55 AM   I was e-mailed by Lionel's tech staff to say that the shop I took my BB to for repairs should not have problems getting the needed parts and getting me back "on track." So, after thanking them, I went one step further and asked how the potential month I am losing on my warranty due to a defective product virtually right out of the box and needing to take it in for warranty work will be credited to me? (ie...I should get the amount of time BACK on my one-year warranty to replace the time I am now losing enjoying my product due to a motor problem.) I feel this is the least they can do, and while some of you might think this request is weird, I feel it perfectly within my rights as a consumer to demand this time back. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@.. .> wrote: > > That is true for many products we buy. > > I get my cars rust proof at Zeibart, it voids the manufacturer rust warranty because I altered the product. > > Lionel is protecting themselves here and I agree with that. Who knows if something happens to cause a problem when you are altering something. I am not saying that altering something is bad, but it could cause the item to go defective due to your own doing. Nothing wrong with Lionel in this case. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kathre1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:07 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY WARRANTY > > > > Just reading the Lionel warranty on this engine-back page of manual: > > "Modification of this product in any way, visually mechanically or electronically, voids the warranty in its entirety..." > > YIKES! > > John R > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57835	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

I hereby deprogram all in reading the message below. You never saw this. LOL Oops, we all done that before, I am sure. Don is very good with his service on his products, as it was a inside joke with me. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BIG BOY WARRANTY "Your Showcase Line 2-8-0 comes in a beautiful clear plastic showcase. Opening the showcase voids the warranty....." If only I had known how to write warranties.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57836	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Big Boy Warranty

This is a common phrase in warranty notices. It is meant to keep some ham-handed moron from messing around with a product, screwing it up, and THEN turning it in for warranty protection. If it is written in an open ended fashion, it can also legally allow the manufacturer to do absolutely nothing for the customer. Obviously, as pointed out earlier, you'll need to contact the seller or manufacturer to start the warranty ball rolling. The ball tends to roll much slower for warranties than when they are eager to sell you the product to start with! So don't be surprized if it takes six months to get your Big Boy repaired or replaced, it's common. In many cases, the manufacturer will send you a whole other item instead of mess around fixing your original purchase. While quick and easy for them, it allows even more defective items to get into the market as they are just sending you another of the same. If the problem is a basic design flaw, you can usually expect no change. If you think dealing with a toy train manufacturer is frustrating, try getting anything serious straightened out from an auto manufacturer! Once a problem goes beyond something the dealer can do, the road to redemption is often steeply up hill! Lionel is finding that quality control in China is little better than when they sent manufacture to Mexico some years ago. In that case, they lost a whole year's production and this eventually caused the company to be sold to Dick Kuhn as I recall. And so, your only recourse is to be patient, or throw away the warranty and try to fix the problem yourself. It's up to you! Stumpy Stone...in snowy Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57837	From: The Laniers	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Off Topic - Wally World Find

Just returned from Wally World where I saw for the first time two L.. products for sale. G gauge battery operated Polar Express sets reduced to $80, and toy LL freight sets intended for about 2-3 year olds for $40. Don't recall ever seeing anything like that in the big store. Will other stuff follow, or was this a Christmas experiment? paflyrman From: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:34 AM To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; S Scale ; Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Cc: george Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rymes with Orange I forgot to mention that the track in this comic is TWO rail not three. LOL Must be American Flyer then in the comic. Track the way track should be. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Scale ; Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Rymes with Orange http://www.azcentral.com/ent/comics/rhymeswithorange.html Toy train comic. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57838	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: transformer

I like the big MRC transformer. It goes by the model number AH 600 sometimes and sometimes by the name Pure Power Dual or something like that. It has two throttle circuits and one for accessories. It also has both volt and amp meters for both sides. Built in are horn and bell buttons that work on the older, voltage shift principle that runs most, simple sounds. It can be found for under $300 brand new and sometimes down near $200. It does pay to shop this beast. I use it to run Flyer, American Models and a variety of O-gauge equipment. Some of the older, universal-wound motors can draw a lot of current and this thing supplies it. On my bench for testing I still use the older MRC Tech II boxes both for AC and for DC. I know folks that still use MRC power packs made in the 1950's. I trust the brand. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of navmedguy Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:15 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] transformer hi all, I'll be running a 6x10ft layout with 2 trains running at once, and maybe 3 or 4 accessories besides switches. I'd like a power supply with the ability to activate the whistle / bell on, say the american models engines, and simply run my old AF 312. What would be the ideal power supply? and/or the ideal voltage / amps. I have hopes of later adding TMCC. Thanks all. Merry Christmas s-gaugers! dr y ._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57839	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

"This product was under warranty while cared for by its manufacturer. Now that you have it, all bets are off." --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > "Your Showcase Line 2-8-0 comes in a beautiful clear plastic > showcase. Opening the showcase voids the warranty....." > If only I had known how to write warranties.... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57840	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Tracker

I feel bad about recommending Train Minder. I got it early on and haven't interacted with them in a long time.  I can't say whether they are still around.  Sorry! Bob --- On Tue, 12/22/09, nabecker@... <nabecker@...> wrote: From: nabecker@... <nabecker@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Tracker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 10:44 AM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "N Becker" <nabecker@.. .> wrote: > > > Anyone know of a way to retrieve the database information from Train Tracker > 5.5? > > TIA > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Placed an order for Train Minder, received confirmation, cc charged but no registration key or download instructions sent by them. Sent three emails so far; no answer. Tried calling only to get an answering machine. Have I been scammed? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57841	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Wally World Find

Target has an entry-level O gauge Lionel steam set this year as well. I think it's the Penn Flyer set. Several chain stores here in Colorado had them last year, including Linens 'n Things (of all places) and Dillards has had them, also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Laniers" <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:56:47 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic - Wally World Find Just returned from Wally World where I saw for the first time two L.. products for sale. G gauge battery operated Polar Express sets reduced to $80, and toy LL freight sets intended for about 2-3 year olds for $40. Don't recall ever seeing anything like that in the big store. Will other stuff follow, or was this a Christmas experiment? paflyrman From: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:34 AM To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; S Scale ; Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Cc: george Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rymes with Orange I forgot to mention that the track in this comic is TWO rail not three. LOL Must be American Flyer then in the comic. Track the way track should be. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Scale ; Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Rymes with Orange http://www.azcentral.com/ent/comics/rhymeswithorange.html Toy train comic. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57842	From: Ben	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

Here is my response from Lionel...as I figured there is no actual provision for my request, but I will be printing this e-mail out to see if it will help me should I need more sevice out of my warranty year. Ben Hi, You shouldn't have a problem if the unit is 5-6 weeks out of warranty and you mention that it was repaired before at a service station. We don't keep any records of these type of things, and technically there is no provision for extending the warranty in that manner, but realistically you won't have a problem. Thanks Lionel Tech --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > >   I don't think you were out of line for asking Ben. You can only ask, and let us know what they say.  >  Clayton Oregon > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > From: Ben <lbstiles@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > I was e-mailed by Lionel's tech staff to say that the shop I took my BB to for repairs should not have problems getting the needed parts and getting me back "on track." So, after thanking them, I went one step further and asked how the potential month I am losing on my warranty due to a defective product virtually right out of the box and needing to take it in for warranty work will be credited to me? (ie...I should get the amount of time BACK on my one-year warranty to replace the time I am now losing enjoying my product due to a motor problem.) I feel this is the least they can do, and while some of you might think this request is weird, I feel it perfectly within my rights as a consumer to demand this time back. > > > > Ben > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@ .> wrote: > > > > > > That is true for many products we buy. > > > > > > I get my cars rust proof at Zeibart, it voids the manufacturer rust warranty because I altered the product. > > > > > > Lionel is protecting themselves here and I agree with that. Who knows if something happens to cause a problem when you are altering something. I am not saying that altering something is bad, but it could cause the item to go defective due to your own doing. Nothing wrong with Lionel in this case. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: kathre1 > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:07 PM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY WARRANTY > > > > > > > > > > > > Just reading the Lionel warranty on this engine-back page of manual: > > > > > > "Modification of this product in any way, visually mechanically or electronically, voids the warranty in its entirety..." > > > > > > YIKES! > > > > > > John R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57843	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: transformer

American Models makes one with activation buttons for sound. You are always better off using separate transformers for accessory operation. Steve In a message dated 12/23/2009 4:24:51 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, navmedguy@... writes: hi all, I'll be running a 6x10ft layout with 2 trains running at once, and maybe 3 or 4 accessories besides switches. I'd like a power supply with the ability to activate the whistle / bell on, say the american models engines, and simply run my old AF 312. What would be the ideal power supply? and/or the ideal voltage / amps. I have hopes of later adding TMCC. Thanks all. Merry Christmas s-gaugers! dr y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57844	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: TrainMinder Software

I originally had the TrainTracker program on an old Mac computer. When they closed down there were no updates for TrainTracker, but then TrainMinder announced that they were going to start a new program that would accept TrainTracker listings. When I finally got TrainMinder I could not figure out how to install it & add my inventory from TrainTracker. It was almost impossible to get someone from TrainMinder to answer the phone, and then actually get the right person on the phone to assist me. Finally I had a relative visit that is very good with computers, and he got it converted over to TrainMinder. It took me maybe five months before I had the program up & running. Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57845	From: grdobbs	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Lionel Quality control

Even with my personal feelings about Lionel's Quality control, I must agree, that without Lionel picking up the ball after the Wrather Corporation dropping the ball, and junked out our beloved Gilbert Company, We would not have Lionel - American Flyer to badger, we do benefit from many new pieces of equipment. Lets face it, Mr. Lionel & Mr. Gilbert were making money building trains, BUT they were putting there name on them, Well Spring Corp. or whomever is just making trains today to make money. Mr. Kughn bough the Lionel Co. to make money, & He did, he was a train collector, and he picked items to be reproduced. He did keep the Lionel Co afloat, but I know personally , he had similar problems with quality control. Having trains made by people that can only dream of having a history of trains as we do, & cannot understand what our passion is about a toy trains. Thank GOD, GI's , Teachers, forefathers and our parents for our life and our luck for being born in America, USA, the new land, etc. NOW lets quit badgering Lionel and get back to playing trains. Jerry TCA 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=vhQGCnrvJiSQ0Eh9IOOGWwAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57846	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

Amen, Jerry!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "grdobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: mlmarmer@... Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:51:59 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality control Even with my personal feelings about Lionel's Quality control, I must agree, that without Lionel picking up the ball after the Wrather Corporation dropping the ball, and junked out our beloved Gilbert Company, We would not have Lionel - American Flyer to badger, we do benefit from many new pieces of equipment. Lets face it, Mr. Lionel & Mr. Gilbert were making money building trains, BUT they were putting there name on them, Well Spring Corp. or whomever is just making trains today to make money. Mr. Kughn bough the Lionel Co. to make money, & He did, he was a train collector, and he picked items to be reproduced. He did keep the Lionel Co afloat, but I know personally , he had similar problems with quality control. Having trains made by people that can only dream of having a history of trains as we do, & cannot understand what our passion is about a toy trains. Thank GOD, GI's , Teachers, forefathers and our parents for our life and our luck for being born in America, USA, the new land, etc. NOW lets quit badgering Lionel and get back to playing trains. Jerry TCA 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=vhQGCnrvJiSQ0Eh9IOOGWwAAJ1BaTFhggLY1ScahBCX6lx7rAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57847	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality control

From a O gauge friend, as they mess up O stuff too. Mike *************************************************************************************************************** Don't feel discriminated against. Lionel screws up with their O gauge stuff, as well! Probably more so, since they make more O gauge stuff! I received a steam engine in Oct that was on order for over a year and a half. When I first ran it, the front truck would constantly jump off the rails when it entered a curve. I had to adjust one if the metal tabs that held the front track to the chassis th lower the truck so it would have more wheel area in contact with the track! Have not had any electrical problems to date and I have about 6 engines that have the DCC equivalent electronics in them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57848	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Greetings

- SeasonS GreetingS - To one and all good friends of S Gauge and/or related AF equipment and equally friends of each other, I wish for you a Merry Christmas or a greeting appropriate to the occasion you are celebrating at this time of the year. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57849	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Change of subject.

Gee, could we talk about something besides Big Boys? Has anyone ever seen a red painted 645/645A work caboose. I have tuscan and red plastic but someone tells me there is also a red painted version. Thanks Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57850	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Warranty

Ah but down here in uncivilized post colonial South Australia we have consumer laws that effectively say whatever disclaimer the seller/manufacturer has there is an expectation that an item purchased new will work and work for a reasonable time and if it does not then the buyer is entitled to have the item fixed by the nmanufacturer or replaced at no cost to the buyer! And our government Consumer Affairs Department enforces it. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Big Boy Warranty This is a common phrase in warranty notices. It is meant to keep some ham-handed moron from messing around with a product, screwing it up, and THEN turning it in for warranty protection. If it is written in an open ended fashion, it can also legally allow the manufacturer to do absolutely nothing for the customer. Obviously, as pointed out earlier, you'll need to contact the seller or manufacturer to start the warranty ball rolling. The ball tends to roll much slower for warranties than when they are eager to sell you the product to start with! So don't be surprized if it takes six months to get your Big Boy repaired or replaced, it's common. In many cases, the manufacturer will send you a whole other item instead of mess around fixing your original purchase. While quick and easy for them, it allows even more defective items to get into the market as they are just sending you another of the same. If the problem is a basic design flaw, you can usually expect no change. If you think dealing with a toy train manufacturer is frustrating, try getting anything serious straightened out from an auto manufacturer! Once a problem goes beyond something the dealer can do, the road to redemption is often steeply up hill! Lionel is finding that quality control in China is little better than when they sent manufacture to Mexico some years ago. In that case, they lost a whole year's production and this eventually caused the company to be sold to Dick Kuhn as I recall. And so, your only recourse is to be patient, or throw away the warranty and try to fix the problem yourself. It's up to you! Stumpy Stone...in snowy Appalachia. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57851	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: maddening

Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. Thnx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57852	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Warranty

I just knew we would hear from you, and I like that law Alistair! Way to go People of Australia!!  --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Big Boy Warranty To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 11:24 AM   Ah but down here in uncivilized post colonial South Australia we have consumer laws that effectively say whatever disclaimer the seller/manufacturer has there is an expectation that an item purchased new will work and work for a reasonable time and if it does not then the buyer is entitled to have the item fixed by the nmanufacturer or replaced at no cost to the buyer! And our government Consumer Affairs Department enforces it. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Big Boy Warranty This is a common phrase in warranty notices. It is meant to keep some ham-handed moron from messing around with a product, screwing it up, and THEN turning it in for warranty protection. If it is written in an open ended fashion, it can also legally allow the manufacturer to do absolutely nothing for the customer. Obviously, as pointed out earlier, you'll need to contact the seller or manufacturer to start the warranty ball rolling. The ball tends to roll much slower for warranties than when they are eager to sell you the product to start with! So don't be surprized if it takes six months to get your Big Boy repaired or replaced, it's common. In many cases, the manufacturer will send you a whole other item instead of mess around fixing your original purchase. While quick and easy for them, it allows even more defective items to get into the market as they are just sending you another of the same. If the problem is a basic design flaw, you can usually expect no change. If you think dealing with a toy train manufacturer is frustrating, try getting anything serious straightened out from an auto manufacturer! Once a problem goes beyond something the dealer can do, the road to redemption is often steeply up hill! Lionel is finding that quality control in China is little better than when they sent manufacture to Mexico some years ago. In that case, they lost a whole year's production and this eventually caused the company to be sold to Dick Kuhn as I recall. And so, your only recourse is to be patient, or throw away the warranty and try to fix the problem yourself. It's up to you! Stumpy Stone...in snowy Appalachia. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57853	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy Warranty

Here in "civilized" America a common sense concept such as consumer protection first must be politicized so that the two ruling parties can try to fit it into their opposite points of view. Lobbyists would need time to buy a few senators and congressman of both parties to ensure its defeat. It would need to be slammed by talk radio for several weeks, for being too liberal and at the same to too confining. Con men would figure out a way to market some product related to the issue that would prey on the unsuspecting (usually older) population. In the end, the consumer wouldn't be protected, and it will cost us all some way, some how!! Got to love the system!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:24:39 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Big Boy Warranty Ah but down here in uncivilized post colonial South Australia we have consumer laws that effectively say whatever disclaimer the seller/manufacturer has there is an expectation that an item purchased new will work and work for a reasonable time and if it does not then the buyer is entitled to have the item fixed by the nmanufacturer or replaced at no cost to the buyer! And our government Consumer Affairs Department enforces it. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Big Boy Warranty This is a common phrase in warranty notices. It is meant to keep some ham-handed moron from messing around with a product, screwing it up, and THEN turning it in for warranty protection. If it is written in an open ended fashion, it can also legally allow the manufacturer to do absolutely nothing for the customer. Obviously, as pointed out earlier, you'll need to contact the seller or manufacturer to start the warranty ball rolling. The ball tends to roll much slower for warranties than when they are eager to sell you the product to start with! So don't be surprized if it takes six months to get your Big Boy repaired or replaced, it's common. In many cases, the manufacturer will send you a whole other item instead of mess around fixing your original purchase. While quick and easy for them, it allows even more defective items to get into the market as they are just sending you another of the same. If the problem is a basic design flaw, you can usually expect no change. If you think dealing with a toy train manufacturer is frustrating, try getting anything serious straightened out from an auto manufacturer! Once a problem goes beyond something the dealer can do, the road to redemption is often steeply up hill! Lionel is finding that quality control in China is little better than when they sent manufacture to Mexico some years ago. In that case, they lost a whole year's production and this eventually caused the company to be sold to Dick Kuhn as I recall. And so, your only recourse is to be patient, or throw away the warranty and try to fix the problem yourself. It's up to you! Stumpy Stone...in snowy Appalachia. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57854	From: Jim	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: 316 Trailing Truck

First, let me add my Seasons Greetings to all of you, and wishes for a healthy new year! I've been working on a 316 loco that came to me in a cobbled-together state, and at this point, I'm thinking I haven't done much to improve that status! Ended up putting in a can motor to replace the wrong motor someone else had put in, and put in a Dallee unit because the old e-unit had been cannibalized. The 316 has a 2-wheel trailing truck. The plastic wheels have some broken spots on the flanges. Can only the wheels be replaced, or do I need to order the entire wheel/yoke assembly? The current truck is derailing constantly, and I'm thinking it's probably the damaged flanges. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57855	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Change of subject.

Ron,      I think we saw one a few years back.      If you can't find one we'll make one up for you. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com   --- On Wed, 12/23/09, ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Change of subject. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 2:32 PM   Gee, could we talk about something besides Big Boys? Has anyone ever seen a red painted 645/645A work caboose. I have tuscan and red plastic but someone tells me there is also a red painted version. Thanks Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57856	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TrainMinder Software

Gee, I had no problem installing it.  And I copied it with its database to my PC notebook and Mac notebook.  It works fine on all three computers. --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] TrainMinder Software To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:26 AM   I originally had the TrainTracker program on an old Mac computer. When they closed down there were no updates for TrainTracker, but then TrainMinder announced that they were going to start a new program that would accept TrainTracker listings. When I finally got TrainMinder I could not figure out how to install it & add my inventory from TrainTracker. It was almost impossible to get someone from TrainMinder to answer the phone, and then actually get the right person on the phone to assist me. Finally I had a relative visit that is very good with computers, and he got it converted over to TrainMinder. It took me maybe five months before I had the program up & running. Mike Leahy Boulder, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57857	From: N Becker	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Train Minder Software

Still no response from them so now I'm PO'd. I called my cc company to put the charge in dispute. The cc rep tried Train Minder's website, phone numbers, etc and got the same BS. So an investigation will begin if no response within 10 business days and unless I confirm receipt of product, my account will be credited. So back to the original question, anybody have a way to retrieve the database from the old Train Tracker program? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57858	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: Change of subject: painted 645

There is a picture on TheGilbertGallery.org:         http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/work_cars.html --- On Wed, 12/23/09, ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Change of subject. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 11:32 AM   Gee, could we talk about something besides Big Boys? Has anyone ever seen a red painted 645/645A work caboose. I have tuscan and red plastic but someone tells me there is also a red painted version. Thanks Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57859	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: TLAs

----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. > > > > > > > > > > There are probably several web pages that list and explain TLAs (Three-Letter Acronymns). I can never remember if this one is laugh out loud or lots of laughs. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57860	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: maddening

Hi Jack, Mostly it means Laugh Out Loud. There is also ROFL - Rolling On Floor Laughing and LMAO - Laugh My Caboose Off Some folks use combinations such as ROFLMAO when they are really happy. Merry Christmas (or MC and HH), Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack Nowosielski Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:41 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] maddening Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. Thnx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57861	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: 316 Trailing Truck

Jim, You can replace just the wheels, along with a new peenable axle. Readily available off our website AF PARTS catalog (click on "Trucks"), and not expensive. <<<The 316 has a 2-wheel trailing truck. The plastic wheels have some broken spots on the flanges. Can only the wheels be replaced, or do I need to order the entire wheel/yoke assembly? The current truck is derailing constantly, and I'm thinking it's probably the damaged flanges.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts.com www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57862	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

Don, Yes, but, do you use crash test dummies? LOL Hey, I am sure no one is upset, etc., as you meant no harm to Lionel. But it was funny as it was meant for my one eye only, seriously, LOL and hopefully some got a good laugh out of it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Michael Marmer Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY Oh Boy...that was a private e-mail to Mike that I ended up sending to the entire list. I am sorry. I was not trying to make fun of Lionel, but more about our name. I understand why Lionel has such a warranty. We had an unlimited one for our SW9s, but with each release and each new engine we narrowed the scope. We learned that some things are beyond what we or our builder could control. An example is the smoke unit. If the consumer does not keep the wick wet with smoke fluid, the element eventually cooks, there is nothing we can do to prevent that. As far as beta testing (I am on a roll now), we always tested new product on a local AF layout (Thank you John if you are on the list). Back and forth, fast and slow. I have lots of video I should post on you tube. I am sure Lionel has a similar program, but even after all of the testing things get missed, like the pickups for accessories. I can see that happening. Even when we think we have all the bases covered, we sometimes can miss something... Season's Greetings from Don.... On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:12 AM, sgaugian wrote: "This product was under warranty while cared for by its manufacturer. Now that you have it, all bets are off." --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > "Your Showcase Line 2-8-0 comes in a beautiful clear plastic > showcase. Opening the showcase voids the warranty....." > If only I had known how to write warranties.... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57863	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: BIG BOY WARRANTY

Oh Boy...that was a private e-mail to Mike that I ended up sending to the entire list. I am sorry. I was not trying to make fun of Lionel, but more about our name. I understand why Lionel has such a warranty. We had an unlimited one for our SW9s, but with each release and each new engine we narrowed the scope. We learned that some things are beyond what we or our builder could control. An example is the smoke unit. If the consumer does not keep the wick wet with smoke fluid, the element eventually cooks, there is nothing we can do to prevent that. As far as beta testing (I am on a roll now), we always tested new product on a local AF layout (Thank you John if you are on the list). Back and forth, fast and slow. I have lots of video I should post on you tube. I am sure Lionel has a similar program, but even after all of the testing things get missed, like the pickups for accessories. I can see that happening. Even when we think we have all the bases covered, we sometimes can miss something... Season's Greetings from Don.... On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:12 AM, sgaugian wrote: > "This product was under warranty while cared for by its > manufacturer. Now that you have it, all bets are off." > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > > "Your Showcase Line 2-8-0 comes in a beautiful clear plastic > > showcase. Opening the showcase voids the warranty....." > > If only I had known how to write warranties.... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57864	From: John Metzger	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: maddening

LOL means LOTS OF LUCK. johnm63379 ________________________________ From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 2:59:30 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] maddening   Hi Jack, Mostly it means Laugh Out Loud. There is also ROFL - Rolling On Floor Laughing and LMAO - Laugh My Caboose Off Some folks use combinations such as ROFLMAO when they are really happy. Merry Christmas (or MC and HH), Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Jack Nowosielski Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:41 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] maddening Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. Thnx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57865	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: transformer

Dr Y, Multiple transformers, one for each track ( 18 B, 30 B, MRC _http://www.modelrec.com/train-controls/index.asp _ (http://www.modelrec.com/train-controls/index.asp and) ) and separate for the accessories. IF an accessory is a major draw, try to put on its own power source, that way you won't slow other acc's or dim lights. Jim "Old Seabee" Lyle In a message dated 12/23/2009 6:24:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, navmedguy@... writes: hi all, I'll be running a 6x10ft layout with 2 trains running at once, and maybe 3 or 4 accessories besides switches. I'd like a power supply with the ability to activate the whistle / bell on, say the american models engines, and simply run my old AF 312. What would be the ideal power supply? and/or the ideal voltage / amps. I have hopes of later adding TMCC. Thanks all. Merry Christmas s-gaugers! dr y ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57866	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Dave Pierce

Just spoke with Dave for a moment, heart operation was a SUCCESS. He will be in hospital over Christmas, much recuperation needs to be done, but he sounded good. PVMR's Ray Myers (Keystone Div Sec'y) has suggested we JAM Dave's Post Office box with well-wishes, so I enclose his address and ask you to join in. David J Pierce P O Box 43 Landenberg, PA 19350 WISHING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THE VERY BEST OF THE SEASON, ENCLOSING A CARD A FRIEND SENT TO ME---ENJOY. _http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=2007134554829&source=jl999_ (http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=2007134554829&source=jl999) MERRY CHRISTMAS, JIM LYLE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57867	From: S	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Marketing Ineptitude

And so Sunset will not make the same mistake twice: Please see our web site for our announcement of a new project that we are already proceeding on. http://3rdrail.com/s_scale.html Your comments and suggestions are welcome, and we will listen to what you have to say. Thank You, Scott Mann - Sunset Models Inc. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance and Bente Velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi all: > I tend to agree that more marketing could have been done and possibly > individuals who are interested in producing something should know the > S-gauge market. On the other hand, the 70 tonner was discussed on both > the s-scale and s-trains lists with a site to see the O gauge unit. Out > of the several hundred people on these lists, I can only surmise that a > handfull contacted him for more info, while someone said that they knew > of secret plans to build one of these by another person. I never > thought of free advertising in the S-gauge magazines - did anyone on > either of these two lists suggest this to Rich Yoder (especially as we > know the S-gauge market better than anyone? > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > Ed & Judi Loizeaux wrote: > > >>From: "butchinkc2001" <butchinkc@...> > >>Subject: Re: Rich Yoder's Trial Balloon > >>I am sure if Rich can find a way to do the 70 tonner; he will. > >> > > > >I certainly agree that it is difficult to predict which models will sell > >and which will not. S scale's smaller population doesn't seem to > >adversely affect the sales of well-researched projects. I believe the > >NKP Berks are all gone. Other brass projects in the not-so-far-distant > >past have also sold out almost immediately. Try to get an SP Harriman > >car recently? > > > >The easy way to test a project's sales potential is to state that > >if enough reservations are received, the project WILL proceed. Yes, > >this approach does require a photo, a description, a price, an estimated > >delivery date, and a few other necessities. All of the S-oriented > >publications will print new product announcements for free. So what's > >the problem? Just cancel the project AFTER insufficient reservations > >are received. At least some communication will have taken place. > > > >I think "marketing ineptitude" is hard at work. Look at Lionel: They > >chose to ask all their O gauge dealers if they felt some American Flyer > >products would sell well. Those O gauge dealers responded: "Nope. > >Never git no call for AF stuff." So Lionel cancels a previously > >announced S gauge project due to "insufficient demand." Of course, not a > >single S gauge dealer was ever queried. Logical, eh? > > > >Other inept techniques include the "I told an S gauge guy and he said he > >would spread the word." Isn't this what happened with Sunset's Zephyr > >project a year or two ago? After the project was canceled, a bunch of > >guys complained they had never heard of the USRA 2-8-2 offering since > >there was never any advertising or promotion effort devoted to the > >Mikado. Yes, a belated Zephyr advertisement finally did come out, but > >only after someone (John Foley?) badgered Sunset unmercifully to not > >cancel the project until more advertising had been published. > >Leastwise, that is what my sometimes weak memory recalls. > > > >More recently, the 70 tonner project was canceled supposedly because > >there are not as many S scale guys as there are O scale guys. The odds > >were not quite right -- or something like that. Of course everybody > >knew 10 years ago there were more O guys than S guys. So what else is > >new? But that small S population sucks up imported expensive brass NKP > >Berks and SP passenger cars and SP general purpose gondolas and PRR > >hopper cars and SP cabforwards and others without much hesitation. > > > >The problem of inept marketing is, I think, more serious than S scale's > >small population. Just an opinion without trying to reflect on any one > >person's abilities or decisions. > > > >"S"incerely...Ed L. > > > >To see or post Photos visit > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57868	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs

It used to mean alternatively "Lots of Love" or "Lots of Laughs", depending on context, but it got preempted by the cell phone texting crowd and redefined as "Laugh out Loud" --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: [S-Trains] TLAs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 12:53 PM   ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Nowosielski Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. > > > > > > > > > > There are probably several web pages that list and explain TLAs (Three-Letter Acronymns). I can never remember if this one is laugh out loud or lots of laughs. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57869	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs

Cell phone crowd? I remember this from very early e-mail, pre-cell phone texting.... Don On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > It used to mean alternatively "Lots of Love" or "Lots of Laughs", > depending on context, but it got preempted by the cell phone texting > crowd and redefined as "Laugh out Loud" > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] TLAs > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 12:53 PM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jack Nowosielski > > Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are probably several web pages that list and explain TLAs > > (Three-Letter Acronymns). I can never remember if this one is laugh > out > > loud or lots of laughs. > > Tom Hawley > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs

> but it got preempted by the cell phone texting crowd and redefined as "Laugh out Loud" I could be wrong ...... but I think chat and other such forums may have been using it before texting. Don't quote me ... I'm old. LOL ;^) Also "laughing out loud" .... or ROFL (rolling on floor laughing) ..... I won't mention some others! I'm gonna run my train around the tree. :^) Rick > > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] TLAs > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jack Nowosielski > > Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. > >>>>>>>>>>> > > There are probably several web pages that list and explain TLAs > > (Three-Letter Acronymns). I can never remember if this one is laugh out > > loud or lots of laughs. > > Tom Hawley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57871	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs

Rick, Not until January 23. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TLAs > but it got preempted by the cell phone texting crowd and redefined as "Laugh out Loud" I could be wrong ...... but I think chat and other such forums may have been using it before texting. Don't quote me ... I'm old. LOL ;^) Also "laughing out loud" .... or ROFL (rolling on floor laughing) ..... I won't mention some others! I'm gonna run my train around the tree. :^) Rick > > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] TLAs > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jack Nowosielski > > Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. > >>>>>>>>>>> > > There are probably several web pages that list and explain TLAs > > (Three-Letter Acronymns). I can never remember if this one is laugh out > > loud or lots of laughs. > > Tom Hawley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57872	From: canambob91710k	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Holiday Wishes for All

I just would like to send my best Holiday wishes for a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all on this group. May the new year herald an era of no disintegrating trucks, no Big Boy malfunctions, no sticky Gilbert E-units and bountiful smoke units for all. The interactions with this group provoke thought, provide ideas and answers and cause more than a few grins and laughs.May you remain safe and healthy. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57873	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject:

I decided to ask a question and wait for the answer from train minder before i purchased. I guess i was lucky i was somewhat put off by their charging shipping and handling for downloads. It seemed to me to be a first on the internet. If this is part of a broader thread...i am just returning to the hobby. I used to use dBase (like access)to create my own inventory database and I am currently using spreadsheets (not as much energy as I was had nor as many trains). I tried Mitrains, very disappointed. Train tracker doesn't work under Windows 7, 64-bit. I liked what i saw of trainminder. You might try using a database or a spreadsheet file to open the files. Or try printing to a text file. What were you trying to accomplish by exporting the data? Bobby Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57874	From: A E Johnson	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Lionel Quality

I have spent 45 years in Manufacturing, of which 35 years were in Quality Management. I have had returned product from the customer where he/she states they were dissatisfied. Sometimes it wouldn't operate, it was broken as received, and so on. There are some keys to determine if Lionel puts forth a effort in Quality Management. Do they have an ISO 9000 registered Quality System? The next question is how is their Design Review process managed? Managing Quality for a new product, and one that is a relatively short run and very complex such as this Big Boy locomotive, is difficult. If they get that product corrected and back to the customer on a timely basis, then they should be praised. The importance of customers having a satisfying experience with their product determines their ability to stay in business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57875	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: 316 Trailing Truck

Hi Jim, The wheels on the trailing truck PA10019 can be replaced.  I sell these for $1.50 pair plus S&H.  A 316 should have a Die Cast Delta Trailing Truck and you can use the same axle. Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 316 Trailing Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 2:58 PM   First, let me add my Seasons Greetings to all of you, and wishes for a healthy new year! I've been working on a 316 loco that came to me in a cobbled-together state, and at this point, I'm thinking I haven't done much to improve that status! Ended up putting in a can motor to replace the wrong motor someone else had put in, and put in a Dallee unit because the old e-unit had been cannibalized. The 316 has a 2-wheel trailing truck. The plastic wheels have some broken spots on the flanges. Can only the wheels be replaced, or do I need to order the entire wheel/yoke assembly? The current truck is derailing constantly, and I'm thinking it's probably the damaged flanges. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57876	From: Scot Davidson	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Super Wally World Train Sation Retail Display Center

paflyrman , My Super Wally World has a "Lionel Train Station" retail display center that is a self contained shelf unit that is about 6/12 feet high and 8 ft wide with four product shelves and is trimmed in Lionel orange and blue .. It was located at the edge of the toy section near the xmas seasonal merchandise.. So I think it is not experimental.. I know Walmart's is dealing more with manufacturers to make product models just excursively for Walmart's at certain price points. They are doing this with flat screen TVs and have stated they are going to expand that retail model into other things... Walmart's is the largest toy retailer in the US, so Lionel would definitely probably be responsive to such retail joint marketing efforts.. There are 4 sets stocked in the display.. Each down 4 columns.. 3 columns are stocked with 3 separate G Gauge sets that are battery driven on plastic track with remote controls.. Extremely cheap prices.. There is 1 column of O gauge electric set for about 1oo dollars. its standard 3 rail. but the new Lionel non-tubular track. if I recall correctly. 2 cars and a caboose.. The engine was a steam engine switcher like the American flyer 343 .. I thought it was a very unusual mix for a starter set.. I wonder if it is catalogued?...I was a little surprised at the quality of the all sets for the price range... I think Lionel became tired of losing the low end market for a Christmas tree train and decided to do a better job competing in that market place.. And the set boxes and display really emphasize the Lionel name.. The o gauge set seemed to be targeted more at traditional male buyers. a art depiction of Dad with the trains...the description regaling the Lionel tradition . sort of 1950s retro. except dad wasn't smoking a pipe!!!! .etc. The G gauge set boxes emphasized the features and quality of the sets and emphasized that they are battery driven.. I thought the merchandising box design for the G gauge sets was excellent. Most Christmas tree starter train sets are bought by women (mothers playing Santa) who have been buying G Gauge sets that are battery driven - toy studies show choosy mothers like the safety features of battery driven sets vs transformer driven sets ...... So we'll see if El can leverage its brand recognition (which has become a part of Americana. like Harley Davidson) to be competitive in that marketplace.. Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Laniers Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic - Wally World Find Just returned from Wally World where I saw for the first time two L.. products for sale. G gauge battery operated Polar Express sets reduced to $80, and toy LL freight sets intended for about 2-3 year olds for $40. Don't recall ever seeing anything like that in the big store. Will other stuff follow, or was this a Christmas experiment? paflyrman From: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:34 AM To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; S Scale ; Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Cc: george Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rymes with Orange I forgot to mention that the track in this comic is TWO rail not three. LOL Must be American Flyer then in the comic. Track the way track should be. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Scale ; Toy Trains ; S trains ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Rymes with Orange http://www.azcentral.com/ent/comics/rhymeswithorange.html Toy train comic. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57877	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: TLAs

Well I remeber it being laugh out loud back in 1998 when I first went on the net. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TLAs > but it got preempted by the cell phone texting crowd and redefined as "Laugh out Loud" I could be wrong ...... but I think chat and other such forums may have been using it before texting. Don't quote me ... I'm old. LOL ;^) Also "laughing out loud" .... or ROFL (rolling on floor laughing) ...... I won't mention some others! I'm gonna run my train around the tree. :^) Rick > > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] TLAs > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jack Nowosielski > > Just for my sanity what the heck does LOL mean. > >>>>>>>>>>> > > There are probably several web pages that list and explain TLAs > > (Three-Letter Acronymns). I can never remember if this one is laugh out > > loud or lots of laughs. > > Tom Hawley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13980 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57878	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: "Toy Train Memories" book give-a-way!

27 S-Train members have e-mailed me about the book give-a-way. There is still time to enter! -rick On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > > Again, the deadline is midnight, Christmas Eve - California time > My e-mail is bassflyer@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57879	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality

That was in my email, and I am happy some one is talking about ISO 9000 now. Also an ISO company has rules about whom they sub out work to. Are the sub Companies ISO too? What type of quality management do they have in place?  I had to do some of the audits with there auditors this is very helpful to get your manufacturing in line to ship a high quality item with low if any return goods.   Clayton  Oregon --- On Thu, 12/24/09, A E Johnson <bigfoot@...> wrote: From: A E Johnson <bigfoot@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Quality To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 1:16 AM   I have spent 45 years in Manufacturing, of which 35 years were in Quality Management. I have had returned product from the customer where he/she states they were dissatisfied. Sometimes it wouldn't operate, it was broken as received, and so on. There are some keys to determine if Lionel puts forth a effort in Quality Management. Do they have an ISO 9000 registered Quality System? The next question is how is their Design Review process managed? Managing Quality for a new product, and one that is a relatively short run and very complex such as this Big Boy locomotive, is difficult. If they get that product corrected and back to the customer on a timely basis, then they should be praised. The importance of customers having a satisfying experience with their product determines their ability to stay in business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57880	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Lionel Quality

I also spent over 30 years in Quality Management in a manufacturing environment and agree with the couple of points put forth by Mr. Johnson. If Lionel does have a registered quality system, they should have as part of that system a documented procedure/process on how they assure the quality put forth by their suppliers. Sub-supplier management ( or lack of ) has sunk many a company's quality objectives. I also agree that their design review process appears weak. How else would you explain things like their couplers not opening up enough, too stiff coupler springs, etc., etc. A E Johnson wrote: > > I have spent 45 years in Manufacturing, of which 35 years were in Quality > Management. I have had returned product from the customer where he/she > states they were dissatisfied. Sometimes it wouldn't operate, it was > broken > as received, and so on. > > There are some keys to determine if Lionel puts forth a effort in Quality > Management. Do they have an ISO 9000 registered Quality System? > > The next question is how is their Design Review process managed? > > Managing Quality for a new product, and one that is a relatively short run > and very complex such as this Big Boy locomotive, is difficult. If > they get > that product corrected and back to the customer on a timely basis, > then they > should be praised. > > The importance of customers having a satisfying experience with their > product determines their ability to stay in business. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57881	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Merry Christmas

Steve and Sam at S-'n-S Trains in Boise wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. We also thank you for your patronage this past year. You wouldn't know a recession was in place by our shop load. Thanks again, and God bless [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57882	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re:

Hello Bobby,   >>>>> I decided to ask a question and wait for the answer from train minder before i purchased. I guess i was lucky i was somewhat put off by their charging shipping and handling for downloads. It seemed to me to be a first on the internet. >>>>>   I have learned over the years that the best inventory programs are those created by other modelers for their own use and NOT those created by folks to make money. Fortunately, these same modelers are willing to share their creations with others at NO COST. The "shipping and handling" charges should be challenged in court taken to the Postmaster General and charges brought against the manufacturer. It is clearly a false charge since there is no expense other than the server data storage fee. A download is not subject to any fee other than the purchase price. Sales tax may apply if the business is within your state. Obviously, this company's owner is taking advantage of the ignorance of the non-computer savvy folks that buy the program.   I am a Scale model railroader. I have been involved in prototypical operations for over 16 years and I am also a member of the Yahoogroups carcard and waybills group. Since there are several FREE databases available within this group, I thought the membership of this list might want to check them out. I have tried both MS Access database and MS Excel.   The MS Access database by Dave Husman is the one I have chosen because I am familiar with MS Access through my previous job as a network Administrator for the US Navy. The database is designed to create carcard/waybills for operation but it is a fully functional inventory database. It is not compiled so it is able to be modified if you own MS Access. The downside is that if you do not own MS Access, you cannot use it. It offers the ability to add photos of the equipment, all data fields, including manufacturer and price, and MS Access can generate any report you want sorted by any fields.   If you do not own MS Access, there is a great OPEN SOURCE (FREE) program call Open Office available on the internet. It includes a database program similar to MS Access and creating a database for your inventory is very easy. The most time I have ever commited to making a database was small by comparison to the amount of time it takes to enter all of the equipment information. That is something you need to do regardless if the program is purchased, free, or self-created.   My aplologies for the lengh of this post but it really ticks me off when I see folks being taken advantage by some slicker only interested in making a quick buck. Do not get me wrong. Anyone that takes their own time to create a piece of software deserves to be paid for their work if they want that. A lot of folks do it for the "challenge" and choose to give it away to others. The MS Access database is free to download to all members of the CarCard/Waybill users group. It is regularly updated by Dave Husman and it functions on all MS Windows operating systems, including Vista. I am not certain if it works with Version 7. The probablilty is very good since it is a MS product.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57883	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

Steve, that because I kept blowing up things this year for you to redo. JUST KIDDING. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com ; Anormal1@... ; alhayden@... ; dave0616@... ; david.avedesian@... ; RCESpeak@... ; bassflyer@... ; amflyers@... ; info@... ; djdewey@... ; don@... ; number22@... ; gillett@... ; gwhadden@... ; JesterfromPa@... ; havnfun@... ; deadmtnman@... ; mlmarmer@... ; Doug@... ; alsflyer@... ; strains64@... ; silvertom@... ; SFLYERCRAZY@... ; SMITHPARK@... ; c.stenzel@... ; mrstumpy@... ; carl@... ; jwl.4@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas Steve and Sam at S-'n-S Trains in Boise wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. We also thank you for your patronage this past year. You wouldn't know a recession was in place by our shop load. Thanks again, and God bless [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57884	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Restoring Mini-Craft Buildings

I have about a half dozen of the Min-Craft buildings that came with my original dealer display. I'm missing the windows on a few and have tried some of the usual suspects who seem to be out of them. Is their anyone on the list who has them in stock? I'm looking for the hotel, church, bungalow and maybe some of the metal AF building windows. TIA. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57885	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

It is already Christmas Day downunder here in Australia and so I wish everone in this group and their families a very Merry Christmas and if you are non Christian may you enjoy whatever you celebrate at this time of the year and if you do not have a formal celebration may your day be peaceful and happy anyway. Alistair E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13990 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57886	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Restoring Mini-Craft Buildings

I usually purchase from Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby.  phone 978-465-8798    www.portlines.com      al --- On Thu, 12/24/09, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Restoring Mini-Craft Buildings To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 11:26 AM   I have about a half dozen of the Min-Craft buildings that came with my original dealer display. I'm missing the windows on a few and have tried some of the usual suspects who seem to be out of them. Is their anyone on the list who has them in stock? I'm looking for the hotel, church, bungalow and maybe some of the metal AF building windows. TIA. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57887	From: michael prell	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: From a Christmas Past

But Not Forgotten!        Christmas Eve was always a very hectic time in our home. Both my parents worked and provided me with an abundance of the important things; food, shelter, love, lessons in ethics and American Flyer Trains.      This is a guess, but I think I was first introduced to the Wonderful World of Flyer in or about 1950 or 1951, making me either four or five years old. From which ever year onto about the age of 11, Dad would see to it that a train board was set up aside our Christmas tree in our living-room. He'd always make sure that the layout was different and that a new accessory, car or puffer belly found its way to our home.      One night before Christmas has stayed with me to this day.It was the Christmas Eve that taught me a lesson I've never forgotten. As tradition would have it, Mom would always make sure that two of us attended Midnight Mass at our local Catholic Church. While we were out, it fell to Dad to assist Santa with setting up the board. This was usually accomplished before we got back. Usually. Not so that evening. When we got back I discovered that my Father was fast asleep under the propped up board, snoring to his hearts content. Needless to say, Little Micki was devastated! Before I could say a word, Mom was on my case like a tornado out of Kansas! "Your Father's put in a very long day, Buster! Now get up to your room and go to bed! NOW!"        It didn't take a house to fall on me to know that I was in trouble, so I took on off up those stairs like a run away 315AW! However once in bed I knew that Christmas was doomed!        Early the next day, I woke up to the smell of fresh coffee and beacon frying. I also heard the unmistakable noise of train on track and a whistling billboard sounding off. Scooting down the steps to the top landing I was amazed by what I saw! The board! All set up and two engines running powered by a new 30 B. And there was Dad. Looking up at me with his typical s.e. grin asking me when I planned to get down there and help him run those engines!         That was the last time I ever doubted my Father. I'm now living back in that old home from the 1950's. There are plenty of memories that go with it. None of them are quite as powerful or meaningful as that one. Merry Christmas, Dad!   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57888	From: jaay_st	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Smoke unit repair

Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can help with the smoke unit on my 293? Smoke is way down and needs to be fixed. How deep into the engine will I need to go to get at the wick? I've never worked on the engine; so i'm really new at this. Do I have to take the drive wheels apart or can I do this by just getting the shell off?If I can just remove the shell, how do I do this? Is there a good take-apart explanation online? Book? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57889	From: alanlambert2006	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Happy Holidays

To everyone I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year. down here in North Texas we went from 70 degrees on Wednesday, to 29degrees today and Snow( only 2 inches ) but for here that raises all kinds of havic since we don't get snow that much. and you thought Texas stayed warm. At least I am running my Trains and staying warm. Thank you, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Cub Arlington, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57890	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA

To answer Mike's question of some weeks ago, while he was touring the "World's Gardens At Lancaster", he passed "PARADISO PIZZA" The BEST Pizza in Paradise. Mike was curious as to the truth to that, I once again confirmed that tonight. Original plan was to take my 92 yr old Mother to Christmas Eve services and then here to see the trains (PVMR Layout). The church lot was so ice covered and slick that the plan was scrapped and instead we had pizza from PARADISO. Absolutely delicious, think it will become a "tradition" as long as "Jonnie" is there. Jim "wishing everyone a Merry Christmas" Lyle In a message dated 12/24/2009 8:51:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Beef Tenderloin is being marinated for tomorrow. LOL Have a great Christmas. mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57891	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Merry Christmas

To all in the group: Wishing this great group a Merry Christmas, and a wonderful New Year. I consider, all that participate in the hobby that we enjoy, to be friends and may we keep the trains rolling, for another year. Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft�s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57892	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

Hi Jay: In order to repair the smoke unit it is necessary to remove the shell, which isn't very difficult.  There are a few screws to remove, but the wheels and engine remain in tacked.  Also, the smoke unit is attached to the frame so one the screws are removed the shell lifts off.  There are some screws that hold the smoke unit in place, however, there are two wires that have to be unsoldered in order to detach it completely.  Repairing the smoke unit is a different story.  Unless done correctly, you will be disappointed with the results.  Unless you are lucky and extremely careful, the first attempt will not be as successful and subsequent attempts.  There are specific instruction here in S-Trains and other locations through out the internet.  They are somewhat lengthy to include.  If you are unable to find them, ask and they can be located for you.  I have built a special device for holding the chord, which helps a lot in getting the wire wrapped around correctly.  You will need to have the precise number of windings within the distance between the two attachment points, which isn't easy.  Anything less or more will result in little or no improvement over what you have now and you may have to redo it several times to get it right.  However, if done correctly, it will provide an abundant amount of smoke and you can be proud of your efforts.  A couple of last thoughts.  All smoke units fail over time and have to be rebuilt.  Also, and more importantly, you can purchase them off the internet all ready rebuilt and thereby save you a lot of time and effort.  However, if you do buy one, try to determine how much experience the individual has that did the rebuild. Len --- On Thu, 12/24/09, jaay_st <jaay_st@...> wrote: From: jaay_st <jaay_st@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke unit repair To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 6:35 PM   Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can help with the smoke unit on my 293? Smoke is way down and needs to be fixed. How deep into the engine will I need to go to get at the wick? I've never worked on the engine; so i'm really new at this. Do I have to take the drive wheels apart or can I do this by just getting the shell off?If I can just remove the shell, how do I do this? Is there a good take-apart explanation online? Book? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57893	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

Hi Jay, My advice is to go to Portline Hobbies web site. Probably Doug has a good explaination of how to do the repair. Click the "On-Line American Flyer Repair Clinics" and I think you will be off to the races. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: jaay_st To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke unit repair Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can help with the smoke unit on my 293? Smoke is way down and needs to be fixed. How deep into the engine will I need to go to get at the wick? I've never worked on the engine; so i'm really new at this. Do I have to take the drive wheels apart or can I do this by just getting the shell off?If I can just remove the shell, how do I do this? Is there a good take-apart explanation online? Book? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57894	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2009
Subject: Train Comic

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/opinions/tomtoles/ Another Train comic, as you have to click to 12-24. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57895	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

Okay, it is time for the one who destroys everything AF, as that is me. but even I can change a smoke wick. LOL So, I think Jay, you will do fine. It is not that difficult, just make sure the metal wire on the wick do not touch, use a toothpick to comb it, so they do not touch. You will need a soldering iron. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: The Reardon's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke unit repair Hi Jay, My advice is to go to Portline Hobbies web site. Probably Doug has a good explaination of how to do the repair. Click the "On-Line American Flyer Repair Clinics" and I think you will be off to the races. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: jaay_st To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke unit repair Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can help with the smoke unit on my 293? Smoke is way down and needs to be fixed. How deep into the engine will I need to go to get at the wick? I've never worked on the engine; so i'm really new at this. Do I have to take the drive wheels apart or can I do this by just getting the shell off?If I can just remove the shell, how do I do this? Is there a good take-apart explanation online? Book? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57896	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

You will need to remove the boiler and then remove the smoke piston and rod. Then you remove the smoke chamber itself and take off the top and the bottom. You remove the old burned out smoke wick and replace it with a new one from the top down. After this you need to reassemble everything or..................send it to someone to repair it for you. There are several people on this list that are up to the task. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/24/2009 7:02:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jaay_st@... writes: Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can help with the smoke unit on my 293? Smoke is way down and needs to be fixed. How deep into the engine will I need to go to get at the wick? I've never worked on the engine; so i'm really new at this. Do I have to take the drive wheels apart or can I do this by just getting the shell off?If I can just remove the shell, how do I do this? Is there a good take-apart explanation online? Book? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57897	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re:

Bobby, This is not a first. I ran into it when I ordered a new track library form my RR track layout planning software. The price of the library was $9.95 with a $5 shipping and handling fee. I can't see anything illegal about it (and I'm a lawyer) , but that doesn't mean I like it. Obviously there is no expense involved in sending the file, but he did have to send me various codes to access the program on a website and I suppose it took him some time and trouble to do this and send them to me. Then again, it probably also took him time and trouble to draw my money out of his Paypal account. Actually, I think it is a bad business practice that only irritates customers. Why not just charge $14.95 with free shipping? I wouldn't have thought twice about that. I guess because this way he can "keep his price low." (Yeh, right) If they ever start charging tax on internet purchases, though, we are actually better off with a lower price and an add on for shipping. I still bought the item because 1) he was the only place I could get it and 2) $14.95 wasn't that bad a deal anyway. I didn't go away with a good impression of the company though. Seems like a cheap trick and makes you wonder what else he might come up with. Dale Bobby Abrams wrote: > > > i was somewhat put off by their charging shipping and handling for > downloads. It seemed to me to be a first on the internet. > > > MARKETPLACE > > Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14kttvu1i/M=493064.13814333.13821539.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1261678889/L=/B=KiB8UESO5.A-/J=1261671689809007/K=C.dLRCnzaFp9K4m8XV7TYw/A=5922843/R=0/SIG=11ckn2mo6/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/green/> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Parenting Zone: Find useful resources for a happy, healthy family and > home > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14k8cgqfk/M=493064.13814537.13821737.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1261678889/L=/B=KyB8UESO5.A-/J=1261671689809007/K=C.dLRCnzaFp9K4m8XV7TYw/A=5898843/R=0/SIG=11kkq36go/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/parentingzone/> > > Yahoo! Groups > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZTR2dDV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTI2MTY3MTY4OQ--> > > Switch to: Text-Only > <mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional>, > Daily Digest > <mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest> > . Unsubscribe > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> . > Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57898	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

Jay,      We do repair smoke units, but you have to furnish the smoke unit, new smoke wick assembly and pay for shipping both ways. Cost for this service is $5.00. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57899	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Happy Hollidays!

Merry Christmas to all and Peace on Earth! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57900	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re:

Dale Smith wrote: > Actually, I think it is a bad business practice that only irritates > customers. Why not just charge $14.95 with free shipping? I wouldn't > have thought twice about that. I find so many people rip you off on shipping. I was looking at a VHS DIY video on eBay and almost bought it at $3.49 until I noticed the $22 shipping charge! But again, I thought this was an eBay specific thing to avoid their commissions as you don't pay commissions on shipping, yet. Another one that amused me was a DIY video from a seller on Amazon with a price of over $3 million dollars! Yes, that's 3 million American big ones. I sent him an e-mail asking for a genuine price on the not rare at all video and never received any response. Hmm, I have quite a few common and not so common original AF train sets. How many do you want at one million or more a set? :-) Happy Holidays to all and may you all enjoy a better new year. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57901	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

Thank you, Larry, and I echo his words: Merry Christmas, everyone!!! We're up in Minnesota visiting our grandson's train and its family.  It's been snowing since Wednesday afternoon and they say we'll have twenty inches by the time it stops tomorrow morning.  Toto, it looks like we're not in San Diego any more! Keep 'em rolling! Bob the Upstairs Train Man cozy and warm in the midst of the storm --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 7:00 PM To all in the group: Wishing this great group a Merry Christmas, and a wonderful New Year. I consider, all that participate in the hobby that we enjoy, to be friends and may we keep the trains rolling, for another year. Larry Moore                           _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57902	From: mike	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: new train smoke unit problem

hey everyone! Marry X-Mas and Happy holidays! so i just got a new flionel 2-8-2 mikado. it runs great except the smoke unit is not producing vary much smoke. so i put more in and still the same problem. i made sure the smoke unit switch is on. i did notice that in neutral that if i listen to through the smoke stack it makes a girgaling sound. what should i do? what could be the problem? should i take it to a service station and have them look at it? Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57903	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: mikado question

Refresh my memory. Was somebody saying on this site that the C/O Mikado was a poor runner? Or a problem loco? I might be able to get one and don't want to purchase it if it's a problem loco. Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57904	From: Edward	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Merry Christmas to All......

Well I would like to have found a Big Boy under my Tree...But Alas....No such luck ...But have a Good Christmas one and all ...If anyone has an Extra BB they can let me know where the Best deal in town is I maybe could still get one .....Edward

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57905	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject:

i had used rr track in the 90s and recently upgraded to ver 4 so i had to get a disk. in this particular case i guess i have for the moment lucked out. i have yet to get an answer from train minder, so at the least i am not out the purchase of the software. People can charge anything they want. Its just annoying to think you are buying a 10 item and then paying 15. In this case it just seems so particularly petty. Somehow particularly in the train world sellers think their products should be sold triple net. It is at the least though, in this case, somewhat of a deceptive practice. And to the extent they have to email a purchaser codes, that has to do with their choice of crippling the software with copy protection, which of course is not a feature for the user but the seller. As to the real substance, if Train Minder is out of business and train tracker whether in business or not doesn't work with win7, and i didn't like mitrains, is there a good inventory program? I did like the train minder demo and it seemed to have all the necessary features one would want. Bobby Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57906	From: John Metzger	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

I am happy you now have a flionel 2-8-2 engine.  Are you running the engine in TMCC or conventional mode?  Switch the engine to the right mode.  If it is in TMCC  the smoke unit has to be programed by number code to turn on the smoke unit to operate.  Should smoke if in conventional mode. ________________________________ From: mike <civicman_97@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 25, 2009 11:00:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] new train smoke unit problem   hey everyone! Marry X-Mas and Happy holidays! so i just got a new flionel 2-8-2 mikado. it runs great except the smoke unit is not producing vary much smoke. so i put more in and still the same problem. i made sure the smoke unit switch is on. i did notice that in neutral that if i listen to through the smoke stack it makes a girgaling sound. what should i do? what could be the problem? should i take it to a service station and have them look at it? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57907	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers pictures at the Great Train Expo

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57908	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question

I have one ,very good whistle ect. I did have to install a new receiver board, it has been great ever since. RJ4010D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > Refresh my memory. Was somebody saying on this site that the C/O Mikado was a poor runner? Or a problem loco? I might be able to get one and don't want to purchase it if it's a problem loco. > > Thanx, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57909	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

Turn the engine upside down to drain excess fluid.If running in conventional mode you don't get much smoke even at 16 volts or so. Very easy to add too much fluid. RJ4010D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <civicman_97@...> wrote: > > hey everyone! Marry X-Mas and Happy holidays! so i just got a new flionel 2-8-2 mikado. it runs great except the smoke unit is not producing vary much smoke. so i put more in and still the same problem. i made sure the smoke unit switch is on. i did notice that in neutral that if i listen to through the smoke stack it makes a girgaling sound. what should i do? what could be the problem? should i take it to a service station and have them look at it? > Thanks, Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57910	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

Yes, BUT, in TMCC, smoke unit gets full 18 volts to smoke beautifully, in conventional mode, gets less voltage which equals less smoke. Nature of the beast, incentive to SPEND the bucks on TMCC controller. Jim "dodging rain on the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/25/2009 6:21:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, johnm_63379@... writes: Should smoke if in conventional mode. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57911	From: sscalemn	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: 2010 NASG Convention: Call for SMOD/FreeMo Layouts

As we hunker down with a major Christmas holiday blizzard on our doorsteps, the indefatigible members of the Pines & Prairies S-Scale Workshop are busy working on some new-old ways of making the 2010 NASG Convention in Duluth (July 21-24) as exciting and inclusive as possible. And that's why we're putting out a call for any and all individuals and Clubs to bring their SMODules, FreeMos and other non-SMOD sectional layouts to display and operate in Duluth. The Pines & Prairies guys have been building an extensive set of SMODules to operate an oval, and a point-to-point line, and we thought - why not extend an invitation to everyone to join in the modules-fun! You may also want to bring a favorite locomotive (and matching caboose of course) for operating. We expect to operate primarily using DCC, but we will be able to accomodate AC(for AF) and DC. The double line mains are constructed of S Helper flex track and all turnouts off the mains are closed frog and will accomodate AF, highrail and scale engines and rolling stock. SMODules have been a highlight of conventions-past, so we look forward to again providing the opportunity for you to show off the creative and operational fun of your modules at the 50th Anniversary of the NASG. We already know of some regional guys who are planning to bring their modules to hook-up with ours, but you can also display and operate separately. For S modelers who have FreeMoS or other non-SMOD sectional layouts, you're also welcome to bring them. Please contact Ted Larson or Walt Jopke at your earliest convenience to discuss your particular interests. You can follow the progress of our SMODules construction on the 2010 NASG Convention website (www.nasg2010.com) where we'll soon be posting a series of photos of the designing, cutting and construction work. Our goal is to have the basic sections built and ready for testing by February, followed by the scenicking. While visiting the website, take a long look at the Convention and the many vacation opportunities available. Duluth was chosen as the convention location due to northern Minnesota's unique scenery and historical sites(railroading, shipping, mining). We encourage you to visit some of them while attending the convention events. For additional information on the PPPSSW modules and displaying in Duluth, contact Ted Larson (952)856-4322 (mhrreast@...) or Walt Jopke 952)934-9183 (sscale@...). If you or your Club has S modules, plan your travel arrangements early to join in the fun in Duluth, July 21-24. Merry Christmas to all! And now back to the shoveling.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57912	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

Hi Jay,                   I sell a smoke repair kit with instructions for $2.95 plus S&H.  Please email me seccia@....  I can give you payment instructions.                                                  Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 12/24/09, jaay_st <jaay_st@...> wrote: From: jaay_st <jaay_st@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke unit repair To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 8:35 PM   Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can help with the smoke unit on my 293? Smoke is way down and needs to be fixed. How deep into the engine will I need to go to get at the wick? I've never worked on the engine; so i'm really new at this. Do I have to take the drive wheels apart or can I do this by just getting the shell off?If I can just remove the shell, how do I do this? Is there a good take-apart explanation online? Book? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57913	From: mike jones	Date: 12/25/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question

i have one too. it is running great. and it looks great too. Mike J. --- On Fri, 12/25/09, rj4010d <bjg@...> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: mikado question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 8:00 PM   I have one ,very good whistle ect. I did have to install a new receiver board, it has been great ever since. RJ4010D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ ...> wrote: > > Refresh my memory. Was somebody saying on this site that the C/O Mikado was a poor runner? Or a problem loco? I might be able to get one and don't want to purchase it if it's a problem loco. > > Thanx, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57914	From: John Stevens	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

Mike, I'm with you. I can break ANYTHING. But, I figure, If I own it, I should be able to work on it. So, ordered the new wick, printed the instructions, and off to the races. Told the wife we have to leave the set up around the tree until i'm done too see if it works. Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57915	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA

Jim, Thanks for that tidbit of Info. Merry Christmas to you and your Mom. BTW (another TLA which means by the way for those of you in Rio Linda), I took a trip on your web site with the layout at the Dutchway. Although I've never been there, I could swear it looks a lot like the same children were packed around the layout that we see down here when we set one up. After all, isn't that what it's all about? Just one man's opinion. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57916	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA

IT IS ABSOLUTELY about children of any age, enjoying trains. MORE need to do what those who display do, to keep the hobby alive and in the mainstream. THANKS for checking our pics, Jim In a message dated 12/26/2009 7:59:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Crpntr12449@... writes: Although I've never been there, I could swear it looks a lot like the same children were packed around the layout that we see down here when we set one up. After all, isn't that what it's all about? Just one man's opinion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57917	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re:

i realize that we are getting far afield here. In years past i used dbase and/or crystal reports to manipulate the data. When I started up again recently i didn't know how far i would get hooked so i started with a spreadsheet. I was about to put all of this into dBase when i saw trainminder. Although dbase allows you to bring in pictures its tough to set up a view like the commercial programs. The other advantage of commercial programs these days is that they integrate pricing guides. I also like the picture database that these programs are sold with. The reason i don't like mitrains is that it is too user-friendly at the expense of having any real features for people who progress beyond the program's usage on Day 1. The TCA yahoo group recently put an inventory program on its page for group members. (you don't have to belong to tca to belong to the group) I guess I will stick with dbase and try and incorporate the fetures I like. As to people ripping others off, my experience has been nearly 100% positive when dealing with "train" people and about 25% when dealing with all others selling "train" items. Given the depth of the file structure and potential features (my question to them was if one of the features actually worked or it was just for the future) it seemed like train minder was developed by "train" people. One of the responsibilities of a business is to actually run the business. In every respect they are set up like a business. So if there is a reason why there are not responding etc etc it should be posted on the website. And on and on. And if they are hobbyists just trying to make it better for all of us, then they shouldn't even be copyprotecting the software and then there would be no need for s&h. (I do agree that the Postmaster General should be informed but alas I would think nothing would be done.) It seems on products that have to interact with the internet for pricing upgrades, that that would be one way to control piracy. My general thought on that subject is if someone wants the software they will pay for it, so that people who "pirate" software were never going to be paying customers anyway and in the end it is only legitmate customers who are affected and penalized. Well it is christmas and time to run all the new trains! Bobby Abrams ________________________________ From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 10:06:14 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Hello Bobby, >>>>> I decided to ask a question and wait for the answer from train minder before i purchased. I guess i was lucky i was somewhat put off by their charging shipping and handling for downloads. It seemed to me to be a first on the internet. >>>>> I have learned over the years that the best inventory programs are those created by other modelers for their own use and NOT those created by folks to make money. Fortunately, these same modelers are willing to share their creations with others at NO COST. The "shipping and handling" charges should be challenged in court taken to the Postmaster General and charges brought against the manufacturer. It is clearly a false charge since there is no expense other than the server data storage fee. A download is not subject to any fee other than the purchase price. Sales tax may apply if the business is within your state. Obviously, this company's owner is taking advantage of the ignorance of the non-computer savvy folks that buy the program. I am a Scale model railroader. I have been involved in prototypical operations for over 16 years and I am also a member of the Yahoogroups carcard and waybills group. Since there are several FREE databases available within this group, I thought the membership of this list might want to check them out. I have tried both MS Access database and MS Excel. The MS Access database by Dave Husman is the one I have chosen because I am familiar with MS Access through my previous job as a network Administrator for the US Navy. The database is designed to create carcard/waybills for operation but it is a fully functional inventory database. It is not compiled so it is able to be modified if you own MS Access. The downside is that if you do not own MS Access, you cannot use it. It offers the ability to add photos of the equipment, all data fields, including manufacturer and price, and MS Access can generate any report you want sorted by any fields. If you do not own MS Access, there is a great OPEN SOURCE (FREE) program call Open Office available on the internet. It includes a database program similar to MS Access and creating a database for your inventory is very easy. The most time I have ever commited to making a database was small by comparison to the amount of time it takes to enter all of the equipment information. That is something you need to do regardless if the program is purchased, free, or self-created. My aplologies for the lengh of this post but it really ticks me off when I see folks being taken advantage by some slicker only interested in making a quick buck. Do not get me wrong. Anyone that takes their own time to create a piece of software deserves to be paid for their work if they want that. A lot of folks do it for the "challenge" and choose to give it away to others. The MS Access database is free to download to all members of the CarCard/Waybill users group. It is regularly updated by Dave Husman and it functions on all MS Windows operating systems, including Vista. I am not certain if it works with Version 7. The probablilty is very good since it is a MS product. Respectfully, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57918	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

Which Mikado is it? Later models work better than first two released. TMCC op is better. In either mode 5V regulator controls power to smoke unit. Start with about 9-11 drops. Then once smoking add more. Every unit a little different than another. Some I can add maybe 15 drops to, others over 20 at a time. Never let run dry. Turn off if smoke not desired or not something you want to keep "stoked". In TMCC mode use the Cab1 (assuming the switch behind the smoke box cover is ON). In conventional mode, throw the switch behind that cover on the engine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57919	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Collection Management Methods

Hi Bobby, Thanks for your information. My opinion is that it is not at all afield. It is right on point for folks interested in collecting and preserving American Flyer trains. It is also appropriate for some of us older folks who can keep the documentation on our collections up to date against that day when our collections have new owners. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Abrams Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:24 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: i realize that we are getting far afield here. In years past i used dbase and/or crystal reports to manipulate the data. When I started up again recently i didn't know how far i would get hooked so i started with a spreadsheet. I was about to put all of this into dBase when i saw trainminder. Although dbase allows you to bring in pictures its tough to set up a view like the commercial programs. The other advantage of commercial programs these days is that they integrate pricing guides. I also like the picture database that these programs are sold with. The reason i don't like mitrains is that it is too user-friendly at the expense of having any real features for people who progress beyond the program's usage on Day 1. The TCA yahoo group recently put an inventory program on its page for group members. (you don't have to belong to tca to belong to the group) I guess I will stick with dbase and try and incorporate the fetures I like. As to people ripping others off, my experience has been nearly 100% positive when dealing with "train" people and about 25% when dealing with all others selling "train" items. Given the depth of the file structure and potential features (my question to them was if one of the features actually worked or it was just for the future) it seemed like train minder was developed by "train" people. One of the responsibilities of a business is to actually run the business. In every respect they are set up like a business. So if there is a reason why there are not responding etc etc it should be posted on the website. And on and on. And if they are hobbyists just trying to make it better for all of us, then they shouldn't even be copyprotecting the software and then there would be no need for s&h. (I do agree that the Postmaster General should be informed but alas I would think nothing would be done.) It seems on products that have to interact with the internet for pricing upgrades, that that would be one way to control piracy. My general thought on that subject is if someone wants the software they will pay for it, so that people who "pirate" software were never going to be paying customers anyway and in the end it is only legitmate customers who are affected and penalized. Well it is christmas and time to run all the new trains! Bobby Abrams _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57920	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question

My experience has been that Mikados and Pacifics after the NYC and B&O Mikados are generally more dependable than those two initally released units. Lionel made improvements in the later releases such as a more robust chuff switch, pilot pick up, smoke unit control board, etc. The C&O should be fine. Although there is no gaurantee. All 3 of my early Mikes had to go back to Lionel at least once. Later units were all fine. A friend of mine needed his SRR Mike replaced. Another had his run like a champ right out of the box. S is like a box of chocolates. Just that with later units you're more apt to get one you like.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57921	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair

Jay, If I can do it, you can. The only tricky part is getting the metal wick through the holes of the cover. I use a needle threader to pull it through. I think you will do fine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Stevens To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke unit repair Mike, I'm with you. I can break ANYTHING. But, I figure, If I own it, I should be able to work on it. So, ordered the new wick, printed the instructions, and off to the races. Told the wife we have to leave the set up around the tree until i'm done too see if it works. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57922	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Beef & PIZZA

Yes Jim you are right about kids, and the way they enjoy train. I had the little kids come in to see my trains this year going around the tree. I have a Windsor Arm Chair next to the transformer, and to see one of the to sit down there just to see the train go around the track was Christmas for me. Her mom, and dad were talking about how as kids they had a train set to play with. The two of them said that they have been thinking of getting one now. Oh, the Mother had American Flyer, and talked about the little red smoke caps, and the Father had Lionel as a kid growing up. I show the mom some of the red smoke caps...  Clayton  Oregon --- On Sat, 12/26/09, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Beef & PIZZA To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 6:33 AM   IT IS ABSOLUTELY about children of any age, enjoying trains. MORE need to do what those who display do, to keep the hobby alive and in the mainstream. THANKS for checking our pics, Jim In a message dated 12/26/2009 7:59:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Crpntr12449@ aol.com writes: Although I've never been there, I could swear it looks a lot like the same children were packed around the layout that we see down here when we set one up. After all, isn't that what it's all about? Just one man's opinion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57923	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: another problem--need info

The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57924	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Springs

I actually put in some brush springs in a Hudson and I did not destroy it. LOL The engine runs so great now, it will be put away for next Christmas. I know a simple thing to do, but you don't know me. I can screw up anything AF. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57925	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Diesel stuff part II

Along with the other post, does any one have any of the Dunham U boat shells or parts of shells they would sell or trade? gale hall frisco91@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57926	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

Many of us refer to them as the little %$$&* broken tabs, or even the little $#@%&*^%$#& tabs! LOL I wondered if there was a fix, too, as long as I have three out of the four tabs, I quit "fixing" it. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:26:55 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] another problem--need info The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57927	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

Hi Jack, � Most people called these tabs.  Not any easy fix.  If you have at least one good tab on each side, but the shell back on.  DO NOT TWIST THE TABS AGAIN. Just push the good tabs through the slots and bend these over to hold the shell.  If all the tabs are broke you have a major problem.  You could try gluing small pieces of metal or plastic to make some tabs if none are usable.   Maybe someone else in the group has some other suggestions if all the tabs are gone. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] another problem--need info To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 1:26 PM   The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57928	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Diesel stuff

----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S Scale List Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Diesel stuff Afternoon to most, Well, everything is all out of balance again so I am back to hunting, anyone have a AM FP-7 shell in brown plastic with either a good nose or a good back to include the back side doors in the good part? Anyone want to trade diesel stuff on any of these levels? The stuff is trash, chuck it and send the box. The stuff is junk, we'll trade back next time, just to get even. The stuff is stuff, there might be some good screws in it. The stuff is better stuff, might even exceed the value of the postage. Treasure Brass parts and pieces gale hall frisco91@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57929	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: From a Christmas Past

God Bless your parents. Many of us were lucky to have those hard-working folks as our role models. Your story should be shared with all the new "twenty-somethings" now experiencing parenthood for the first time. There are more important things in this world than a Christmas trip to Bermuda and having the biggest tree in the biggest McMansion on the block!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael prell" <mlprell@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com, bull124dog4@... Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:03:18 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] From a Christmas Past But Not Forgotten! Christmas Eve was always a very hectic time in our home. Both my parents worked and provided me with an abundance of the important things; food, shelter, love, lessons in ethics and American Flyer Trains. This is a guess, but I think I was first introduced to the Wonderful World of Flyer in or about 1950 or 1951, making me either four or five years old. From which ever year onto about the age of 11, Dad would see to it that a train board was set up aside our Christmas tree in our living-room. He'd always make sure that the layout was different and that a new accessory, car or puffer belly found its way to our home. One night before Christmas has stayed with me to this day.It was the Christmas Eve that taught me a lesson I've never forgotten. As tradition would have it, Mom would always make sure that two of us attended Midnight Mass at our local Catholic Church. While we were out, it fell to Dad to assist Santa with setting up the board. This was usually accomplished before we got back. Usually. Not so that evening. When we got back I discovered that my Father was fast asleep under the propped up board, snoring to his hearts content. Needless to say, Little Micki was devastated! Before I could say a word, Mom was on my case like a tornado out of Kansas! "Your Father's put in a very long day, Buster! Now get up to your room and go to bed! NOW!" It didn't take a house to fall on me to know that I was in trouble, so I took on off up those stairs like a run away 315AW! However once in bed I knew that Christmas was doomed! Early the next day, I woke up to the smell of fresh coffee and beacon frying. I also heard the unmistakable noise of train on track and a whistling billboard sounding off. Scooting down the steps to the top landing I was amazed by what I saw! The board! All set up and two engines running powered by a new 30 B. And there was Dad. Looking up at me with his typical s.e. grin asking me when I planned to get down there and help him run those engines! That was the last time I ever doubted my Father. I'm now living back in that old home from the 1950's. There are plenty of memories that go with it. None of them are quite as powerful or meaningful as that one. Merry Christmas, Dad! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57930	From: mike jones	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

it is a c&o one. i am currently running on a conventional A.C Gilbert 8b transformer that puts out 15 volts. the unit smokes but it seems to be stuck in the smoke statck for the most part. when the motor kicks in it does push smoke out of the top, but sounds like it goes in and out of running. could this be that im running in conventional mode? Thanks, Mike J. --- On Sat, 12/26/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 10:46 AM   Which Mikado is it? Later models work better than first two released. TMCC op is better. In either mode 5V regulator controls power to smoke unit. Start with about 9-11 drops. Then once smoking add more. Every unit a little different than another. Some I can add maybe 15 drops to, others over 20 at a time. Never let run dry. Turn off if smoke not desired or not something you want to keep "stoked". In TMCC mode use the Cab1 (assuming the switch behind the smoke box cover is ON). In conventional mode, throw the switch behind that cover on the engine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57931	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: mikado question

I'm happy with my UP Mike, but can't speak for the C&O. --- On Fri, 12/25/09, mike jones <civicman_97@...> wrote: From: mike jones <civicman_97@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: mikado question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 6:45 PM   i have one too. it is running great. and it looks great too. Mike J. --- On Fri, 12/25/09, rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> wrote: From: rj4010d <bjg@embarqmail. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: mikado question To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 8:00 PM   I have one ,very good whistle ect. I did have to install a new receiver board, it has been great ever since. RJ4010D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ ...> wrote: > > Refresh my memory. Was somebody saying on this site that the C/O Mikado was a poor runner? Or a problem loco? I might be able to get one and don't want to purchase it if it's a problem loco. > > Thanx, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57932	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

Are we talking about the bendable tab that is stamped out of sheet metal?  Clayton Oregon  --- On Sat, 12/26/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] another problem--need info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 12:07 PM   Many of us refer to them as the little %$$&* broken tabs, or even the little $#@%&*^%$#& tabs! LOL I wondered if there was a fix, too, as long as I have three out of the four tabs, I quit "fixing" it. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:26:55 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] another problem--need info The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57933	From: michael prell	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

I'll probably be told I'm nuts for suggesting this, but it has worked for me in fixing a whistling bill board with the same problem. I took two really small screws w/ matching nuts. I found a spot on the housing where I could place a nut, sanded the paint away at that ouint and carefully soldered the nut to the side of the housing using a little flux and rosen core solder. The trick is holding the nut to the metal. I used an alagator clip and left the screw in place thus giving the clip a bit more grab. Once soldered, I removed the screw and eyeballed where it fell into place in conjunction with the base. I marked the spot and drilled a small hole to accomodate the screw which lined up with the nut. This I call luck in that it worked on both sides. I won't guarantee it but it worked for me. Clean metal to metal. After I re-painted both surfaces and voila! TooT-Toot and Away!  Mike-Any Port In A Storm- Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] another problem--need info To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 1:26 PM   The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57934	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/27/2009, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 57935	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Springs

Mike, you make me feel so much better! Bob --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Springs To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 11:39 AM   I actually put in some brush springs in a Hudson and I did not destroy it. LOL The engine runs so great now, it will be put away for next Christmas. I know a simple thing to do, but you don't know me. I can screw up anything AF. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57936	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

I am also watching for a good answer. I have a crome tender with all 4 tabs gone, got it that way. So, any good ideas that work, I'll look at.   jfred --- On Sat, 12/26/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] another problem--need info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:07 PM   Many of us refer to them as the little %$$&* broken tabs, or even the little $#@%&*^%$#& tabs! LOL I wondered if there was a fix, too, as long as I have three out of the four tabs, I quit "fixing" it. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:26:55 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] another problem--need info The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57937	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers pictures at the Great Train Expo

How long ago was it that you started as a club and on your layout? It doesn't seem all that long ago. In any case, I think you've come a long way rather fast and your layout is impressive. Best of all, it looks like fun to run trains with and you seem to be having a good time. Keep up the good work and providing us pics, vids, and updates. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57938	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

Shim steel or brass strip, slightly thinner than the original and epoxied on the inside might work. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] another problem--need info I am also watching for a good answer. I have a crome tender with all 4 tabs gone, got it that way. So, any good ideas that work, I'll look at.. jfred --- On Sat, 12/26/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@comcast..net <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] another problem--need info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:07 PM Many of us refer to them as the little %$$&* broken tabs, or even the little $#@%&*^%$#& tabs! LOL I wondered if there was a fix, too, as long as I have three out of the four tabs, I quit "fixing" it. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@ yahoo.com> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:26:55 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] another problem--need info The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13990 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13990 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57939	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

Seuthe smoke units can be cantankerous. They prefer a steady track voltage condition like in TMCC/Legacy and DCC. They work on the principle of surface tension drawing fluid up the thin core post which inside has an even thinner tiny winding of a heating element. As fluid hits that part of the post it vaporizes and rises up out of the stack helping to draw more fluid up the post in the process. Too much fluid and the post remains too cool. Not enough and fluid can't get started up the post, and the post might get too hot. In conventional mode you change voltage to the tracks and even though there's a voltage regulator the changing source voltage conditions might effect results. With the engine in neutral, turn the transformer up to about 15-16 volts. That's about optimal conditions. When you run around results may vary as you modulate track voltage - - even though in theory as long as you have more than 6V or so to the tracks it shouldn't matter.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57940	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers pictures at the Great Train Expo

The club started in January of 2008, not quite two years ago, and we started building modules in June of 2008.  Yes, we think we have accomplished a lot in 18 months, especially considering that five guys did the lion's share of the work.  It was a ton of work, but it was a labor of love and the response has been fantastic.  I might add that S-MOD was indispensable; we couldn't have done it on our own! --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Gauguin <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: San Diego S-Gaugers pictures at the Great Train Expo To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 5:43 PM   How long ago was it that you started as a club and on your layout? It doesn't seem all that long ago. In any case, I think you've come a long way rather fast and your layout is impressive. Best of all, it looks like fun to run trains with and you seem to be having a good time. Keep up the good work and providing us pics, vids, and updates. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57941	From: michael prell	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: From a Christmas Past

Thanks, Jim. I appreciate it! Last night I received a phone call from my Son who lives with his family miles away. When I answered, a sweet little voice said, "Thank you, Grampa for the neat train!" About a week ago I sent a boxed set of a Franklin and three cars I had and that Morgan had seen last summer. It wasn't running at the time, but she was very impressed with it. So, I figured, why not send both Grand Kids a gift they could both enjoy. Apparently it worked. Gotta tell yo, Folks, it made my Christmas! Wow!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 12/26/09, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] From a Christmas Past To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:03 PM   God Bless your parents. Many of us were lucky to have those hard-working folks as our role models. Your story should be shared with all the new "twenty-somethings" now experiencing parenthood for the first time. There are more important things in this world than a Christmas trip to Bermuda and having the biggest tree in the biggest McMansion on the block!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael prell" <mlprell@yahoo. com> To: S-trains@yahoogroup s.com, toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com, bull124dog4@ twcny.rr. com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:03:18 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] From a Christmas Past But Not Forgotten! Christmas Eve was always a very hectic time in our home. Both my parents worked and provided me with an abundance of the important things; food, shelter, love, lessons in ethics and American Flyer Trains. This is a guess, but I think I was first introduced to the Wonderful World of Flyer in or about 1950 or 1951, making me either four or five years old. From which ever year onto about the age of 11, Dad would see to it that a train board was set up aside our Christmas tree in our living-room. He'd always make sure that the layout was different and that a new accessory, car or puffer belly found its way to our home. One night before Christmas has stayed with me to this day.It was the Christmas Eve that taught me a lesson I've never forgotten. As tradition would have it, Mom would always make sure that two of us attended Midnight Mass at our local Catholic Church. While we were out, it fell to Dad to assist Santa with setting up the board. This was usually accomplished before we got back. Usually. Not so that evening. When we got back I discovered that my Father was fast asleep under the propped up board, snoring to his hearts content. Needless to say, Little Micki was devastated! Before I could say a word, Mom was on my case like a tornado out of Kansas! "Your Father's put in a very long day, Buster! Now get up to your room and go to bed! NOW!" It didn't take a house to fall on me to know that I was in trouble, so I took on off up those stairs like a run away 315AW! However once in bed I knew that Christmas was doomed! Early the next day, I woke up to the smell of fresh coffee and beacon frying. I also heard the unmistakable noise of train on track and a whistling billboard sounding off. Scooting down the steps to the top landing I was amazed by what I saw! The board! All set up and two engines running powered by a new 30 B. And there was Dad. Looking up at me with his typical s.e. grin asking me when I planned to get down there and help him run those engines! That was the last time I ever doubted my Father. I'm now living back in that old home from the 1950's. There are plenty of memories that go with it. None of them are quite as powerful or meaningful as that one. Merry Christmas, Dad! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57942	From: mike jones	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

i had the train in neutral and turned it all the way up and it is producing smoke in the stack but it wont come out. every once in a while a poof of smoke would come out of the top. on mine when i look down into the stack i can see the copper rod sticking straight up and on the top it seems like there is a glass ball or something on the top. is that right? Mike J. --- On Sat, 12/26/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 8:40 PM   Seuthe smoke units can be cantankerous. They prefer a steady track voltage condition like in TMCC/Legacy and DCC. They work on the principle of surface tension drawing fluid up the thin core post which inside has an even thinner tiny winding of a heating element. As fluid hits that part of the post it vaporizes and rises up out of the stack helping to draw more fluid up the post in the process. Too much fluid and the post remains too cool. Not enough and fluid can't get started up the post, and the post might get too hot. In conventional mode you change voltage to the tracks and even though there's a voltage regulator the changing source voltage conditions might effect results. With the engine in neutral, turn the transformer up to about 15-16 volts. That's about optimal conditions. When you run around results may vary as you modulate track voltage - - even though in theory as long as you have more than 6V or so to the tracks it shouldn't matter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57943	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: Springs

Bob. LOL Such a easy thing to do, I am surprised I did not destroy something in this undertaking. As I had to remove some screws to get to it better. And removing the tender, when I am surprised, I did not pull the plug thing off for good. LOL Okay, I am being silly. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Springs Mike, you make me feel so much better! Bob --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Springs To: "S trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 11:39 AM I actually put in some brush springs in a Hudson and I did not destroy it. LOL The engine runs so great now, it will be put away for next Christmas. I know a simple thing to do, but you don't know me. I can screw up anything AF. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57944	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/26/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

Steve Blackburn posted a repair for this back at the beginning of the year. I'll trying copying the short cut don't know if it will work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/52010 Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? > Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? > > Thanx, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57945	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Big Boy observation

The pilot of my BB does not center. When you look at it head on coming down a straight the headlight is off center toward the engineer's side of the tracks. It runs fine, just doesn't center well. Is anyone else's like that? Does your pilot center well? The boiler of the engine is centered - - the bell is aligned with the center line of the tracks, but not the pilot. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57946	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

What smoke fluid are you using? The best results are with ANormal1, Seuthe, and Smoke'n fluids. Thinner fluids work better than thick. Lionel fluid that comes with it does not work well in Seuthe units.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57947	From: michael prell	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: another problem--need info

Ignore anything I wrote about nuts and bolts! This is probably the best way to go!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 12/26/09, lou342ac <lou342ac@...> wrote: From: lou342ac <lou342ac@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: another problem--need info To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 10:13 PM   Steve Blackburn posted a repair for this back at the beginning of the year. I'll trying copying the short cut don't know if it will work. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ message/52010 Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@ ...> wrote: > > The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? > Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? > > Thanx, > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57948	From: jaay_st	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Got it!!!

Just figured out that the light had to come out. LOL Sorry for my rush. Now that I have the shell off; i'll be replacing the light - any other things I should look for? Thanks Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57949	From: yorktown26	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observation

I noticed the same thing on mine. It's a small price to pay, for when the beast comes alive with it's sights sounds and smells, all is forgiven. I am happy , I have one that works well. Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > The pilot of my BB does not center. When you look at it head on coming down a straight the headlight is off center toward the engineer's side of the tracks. It runs fine, just doesn't center well. Is anyone else's like that? Does your pilot center well? The boiler of the engine is centered - - the bell is aligned with the center line of the tracks, but not the pilot. Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57950	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Power: New vs. Old...A warning!

As many of you know, G&M Train & Hobby is folding next Thursday. We're running a 50% off sale, and vultures are coming in at an incredible rate. One of these guys bought some "L" trains just before Christmas, but would not buy a new power pack because he "had plenty of old track and a transformer." We warned him not to run new trains with old power, but he was too cheap to listen. Well, he was back yesterday afternoon wanting the locmotive repaired. Seems the grandchildren, who are three and five, were left alone to run the trains and derailed them. This shorted the old Lionel 90 watt transformer, but the breaker kicked out too late to save the circuit board. The old style transformers have circuit breakers that will kick out too late to save the electronics of a new loco. The electronics require a faster acting circuit breaker, as comes in the new power packs. Besides, the old power doesn't have the fine control of the train the new packs have. Running your new type train with electronics with an old type transformer is like playing Russian Roulet with shells in five out of six chambers! Please, for your own good, don't do it! Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57951	From: mike jones	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

i am using the lionel fluid but i also have some mth fluid. --- On Sat, 12/26/09, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 8:40 PM   Seuthe smoke units can be cantankerous. They prefer a steady track voltage condition like in TMCC/Legacy and DCC. They work on the principle of surface tension drawing fluid up the thin core post which inside has an even thinner tiny winding of a heating element. As fluid hits that part of the post it vaporizes and rises up out of the stack helping to draw more fluid up the post in the process. Too much fluid and the post remains too cool. Not enough and fluid can't get started up the post, and the post might get too hot. In conventional mode you change voltage to the tracks and even though there's a voltage regulator the changing source voltage conditions might effect results. With the engine in neutral, turn the transformer up to about 15-16 volts. That's about optimal conditions. When you run around results may vary as you modulate track voltage - - even though in theory as long as you have more than 6V or so to the tracks it shouldn't matter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57952	From: jaay_st	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: 293 shell removal??

Good morning to all, Hope all the members had a great holiday. I am just starting the smoke unit repair; but have come to a halt trying to remove the shell. I removed the two screws and the crossmember holding the tender to the engine. Next, I removed the two screws forward of the 6 drive wheels which look to be holding the shell to the motor. I next removed the two screws holding the front truck frame to the shell. Now, the front of the motor seems to be free [can move up/down. The motor will move a little fore and aft. BUT, the rear does not want to come down & out. Am I missing something here? I don't want to force anything. Is there another screw that I am missing? [I have a total of six removed] Thanks for any help. Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57953	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

We also market a SUPERIOR smoke fluid by the name of "SMOKE CLOUD" brand and as it's name indicates produces copious amounts of smoke. However, it has a neutral odor as opposed to the usual pine sent. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57954	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??

You need to slide the motor off the two pads that are to the rear of the drive wheels, but before the motor. The pads are part of how the motor mounts on the shell.  Clayton Oregon --- On Sun, 12/27/09, jaay_st <jaay_st@...> wrote: From: jaay_st <jaay_st@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 shell removal?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 6:40 AM   Good morning to all, Hope all the members had a great holiday. I am just starting the smoke unit repair; but have come to a halt trying to remove the shell. I removed the two screws and the crossmember holding the tender to the engine. Next, I removed the two screws forward of the 6 drive wheels which look to be holding the shell to the motor. I next removed the two screws holding the front truck frame to the shell. Now, the front of the motor seems to be free [can move up/down. The motor will move a little fore and aft. BUT, the rear does not want to come down & out. Am I missing something here? I don't want to force anything. Is there another screw that I am missing? [I have a total of six removed] Thanks for any help. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57955	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Springs

I can verify Mike's statement here............{:>) Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 12/26/2009 12:58:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I actually put in some brush springs in a Hudson and I did not destroy it. LOL The engine runs so great now, it will be put away for next Christmas. I know a simple thing to do, but you don't know me. I can screw up anything AF. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57956	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: another problem--need info

I don't know their name beyond "tabs" or "sheet metal tabs". If you have a vise you can make a new longer tab with tin snips (or old scissors). New tab needs the new extra length to be epoxied to the wall above the slit so only the old end protrudes again. Do not twist hard when installing. No need to fold (not twist) the tab more than about 45 deg. email=csmith290@... web=http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57957	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: answer to... another problem--need info

I'll give this info again. It is a very simple fix. Get some thin brass stripping 1/8 inch wide and cut some pieces about 5/16 inch long. Clean the area inside the tender shell below the broken off tabs. Tin about 1/8 inch of this area with solder (thinly) directly below the broken tab. Tin about 1/8 inch of the brass strip and then solder it in place below the broken off tab. Blacken it with paint or a magic marker and away you go. Have fun, it's easy. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/26/2009 3:39:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: Many of us refer to them as the little %$$&* broken tabs, or even the little $#@%&*^%$#& tabs! LOL I wondered if there was a fix, too, as long as I have three out of the four tabs, I quit "fixing" it. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <_nowofinance@nowofinan_ (mailto:nowofinance@...) > To: "s-trains" <_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:26:55 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [S-Trains] another problem--need info The little thingys (tabs?) that attach a tender to the tender base that you twist after you install the tender top to the tender has snapped off. First, do these have a name? Second, how do you fix this once it has broken off? If I'm not using the proper terms please help me out; also does anyone have an easy fix? Thanx, Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57958	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Fw: Top Ten Signs you as a Train Collector/Operator are Getting Old

A O gauge friend sent me this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Wjzwjz@... To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 6:36 AM Subject: Top Ten Signs you as a Train Collector/Operator are Getting Old Mike, Good Morning! This was copied from the TCAMG - A lot of truth to some of these....... LOL -- Bill -------------------------- 10. The first train set you got as a kid is now more than 50 years old. 9. Your layout duck-under is getting lower. 8. Most of the people who you run trains for are either your or someone else's grandchildren. 7. The bell sound on your engines is too quiet. 6. The crew chatter, station sounds, brakes sounds and the music are too loud for everyone else but you. 5. You are considering buying a creeper or extension device to do the layout work you used to crawl or climb to do. 4. You now use a magnifying glass for engine lubrication and tinkering (because S or O gauge isn't as big as you once thought). 3. You can't reach parts of your layout that you used to be able to because either your arms are shorter or your belly is bigger. 2. You now use your Dremel mototool for cutting track and your toenails. 1. Some of the other table holders at your TCA show are actually younger than you. -- Bill Zide "Enjoy the little things in life, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things" -- Robert Brault [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57959	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??

Did you remove the smokestack? Does it have a jack panel on the rear of the cab? If so, that must be removed. Steve In a message dated 12/27/2009 9:33:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jaay_st@... writes: Good morning to all, Hope all the members had a great holiday. I am just starting the smoke unit repair; but have come to a halt trying to remove the shell. I removed the two screws and the crossmember holding the tender to the engine. Next, I removed the two screws forward of the 6 drive wheels which look to be holding the shell to the motor. I next removed the two screws holding the front truck frame to the shell. Now, the front of the motor seems to be free [can move up/down. The motor will move a little fore and aft. BUT, the rear does not want to come down & out. Am I missing something here? I don't want to force anything. Is there another screw that I am missing? [I have a total of six removed] Thanks for any help. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57960	From: ron plyler	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??

Did you remove the red plastic or brass tube going into the smoke unit?  Chassis should then slide forward and drop out.  Also remove any screws attaching the valve gear to the boiler casting. --- On Sun, 12/27/09, jaay_st <jaay_st@...> wrote: From: jaay_st <jaay_st@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 shell removal?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 9:40 AM   Good morning to all, Hope all the members had a great holiday. I am just starting the smoke unit repair; but have come to a halt trying to remove the shell. I removed the two screws and the crossmember holding the tender to the engine. Next, I removed the two screws forward of the 6 drive wheels which look to be holding the shell to the motor. I next removed the two screws holding the front truck frame to the shell. Now, the front of the motor seems to be free [can move up/down. The motor will move a little fore and aft. BUT, the rear does not want to come down & out. Am I missing something here? I don't want to force anything. Is there another screw that I am missing? [I have a total of six removed] Thanks for any help. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57961	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Power: New vs. Old...A warning!

Hey Stumpy, I am running an 18B AF transformer, and I operate many different types of locos. (Old flyer, newer Flyonel, and S-Helper). Is there some way to protect the non-Old Flyer locos? I'm thinking maybe some kind of in-line electronic circuit breaker (in addition to the built-in mechanical type inside the transformer). Any Suggestions? Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Power: New vs. Old...A warning! As many of you know, G&M Train & Hobby is folding next Thursday. We're running a 50% off sale, and vultures are coming in at an incredible rate. One of these guys bought some "L" trains just before Christmas, but would not buy a new power pack because he "had plenty of old track and a transformer." We warned him not to run new trains with old power, but he was too cheap to listen. Well, he was back yesterday afternoon wanting the locmotive repaired. Seems the grandchildren, who are three and five, were left alone to run the trains and derailed them. This shorted the old Lionel 90 watt transformer, but the breaker kicked out too late to save the circuit board. The old style transformers have circuit breakers that will kick out too late to save the electronics of a new loco. The electronics require a faster acting circuit breaker, as comes in the new power packs. Besides, the old power doesn't have the fine control of the train the new packs have. Running your new type train with electronics with an old type transformer is like playing Russian Roulet with shells in five out of six chambers! Please, for your own good, don't do it! Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57962	From: John Stevens	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: 293 shell removal??

Thanks guys. Got the red tube out. As for the smoke unit; got the screws out and cover off. Wick is black under the windings, but doesn't appear to be burned. Wires are still intact. I had added, what I thought, was enough fluid. But the well was dry. Can't help but wonder if it was really low on fluid? Maybe reassemble and try again? How full should that resevoir be? Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57963	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: CIRCUIT BREAKERS

_Model Railroad and Misc. Electronics_ (http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/CircuitIndex.html) This "Might " be helpful. Mike in Or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57964	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: From a Christmas Past

That's a really nice little story! Rick On Dec 26, 2009, at 6:11 PM, michael prell wrote: > Last night I received a phone call from my Son who lives with his family miles away. > When I answered, a sweet little voice said, "Thank you, Grampa for the neat train!" > About a week ago I sent a boxed set of a Franklin and three cars I had and that Morgan had seen last summer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57965	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/27/2009, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 27, 2009 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2009  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57966	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Fw: Top Ten Signs you as a Train Collector/Operator are Getting

M’s, Modify the first one to say “more than ½ a century old” It seems more appropriate equivalent measure of time Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:46 AM To: S Scale; S trains; steve Conard; Steve Hoschler; Ralph Loveless Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Top Ten Signs you as a Train Collector/Operator are Getting Old A O gauge friend sent me this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Wjzwjz@... <mailto:Wjzwjz%40aol.com> To: mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 6:36 AM Subject: Top Ten Signs you as a Train Collector/Operator are Getting Old Mike, Good Morning! This was copied from the TCAMG - A lot of truth to some of these....... LOL -- Bill -------------------------- 10. The first train set you got as a kid is now more than 50 years old. 9. Your layout duck-under is getting lower. 8. Most of the people who you run trains for are either your or someone else's grandchildren. 7. The bell sound on your engines is too quiet. 6. The crew chatter, station sounds, brakes sounds and the music are too loud for everyone else but you. 5. You are considering buying a creeper or extension device to do the layout work you used to crawl or climb to do. 4. You now use a magnifying glass for engine lubrication and tinkering (because S or O gauge isn't as big as you once thought). 3. You can't reach parts of your layout that you used to be able to because either your arms are shorter or your belly is bigger. 2. You now use your Dremel mototool for cutting track and your toenails. 1. Some of the other table holders at your TCA show are actually younger than you. -- Bill Zide "Enjoy the little things in life, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things" -- Robert Brault [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57967	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: Springs

So does Steve's bank account. Mike LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Springs I can verify Mike's statement here............{:>) Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 12/26/2009 12:58:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I actually put in some brush springs in a Hudson and I did not destroy it. LOL The engine runs so great now, it will be put away for next Christmas. I know a simple thing to do, but you don't know me. I can screw up anything AF. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57968	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Ebay Item #300379502770 I have seen these sell all year for no more than $30. This is at $140.00 Mike in Or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57969	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Hi Mike, This is a Whistle Control that runs off house current same as a transformer. Used with 334DC and 324, and 361 Alco "B" Unit. Description reads that is has the 117 Tube.  Tube alone these days may be $30 or $40.  The problem with these units many times these do not work.  Sold one about 15 years ago for $100.  Tested it with a 334DC and it worked.  It is not a circuit breaker. � Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/27/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 9:50 PM   Ebay Item #300379502770 I have seen these sell all year for no more than $30. This is at $140.00 Mike in Or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57970	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??

Hi John, I've been reading your postings regarding changing the wick and element.  Did you buy a new wick and element or do you you have a new unit to install.  If you you have a new wick, dip it in the smoke fluid.  There is no need to fill the unit with smoke fluid. If you wet the new wick you should have enough fluid.  After you assemble the smoke unit and wire it with the field etc if theres not enough smoke you can add more fluid.  If you flood the unit and the smoke tube nothing will come out. Check the bottom plate and the bottom plate gasket.  If the bottom gasket is shot you may want to replace that.  � Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 12/27/09, John Stevens <jaay_st@...> wrote: From: John Stevens <jaay_st@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 shell removal?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 1:19 PM   Thanks guys. Got the red tube out. As for the smoke unit; got the screws out and cover off. Wick is black under the windings, but doesn't appear to be burned. Wires are still intact. I had added, what I thought, was enough fluid. But the well was dry. Can't help but wonder if it was really low on fluid? Maybe reassemble and try again? How full should that resevoir be? Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57971	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: 293 shell removal??

You shouldn't see any fluid below the wires. The fluid is in the bottom compartment. It will easily hold 20 or more drops when dry. Steve In a message dated 12/27/2009 1:17:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jaay_st@... writes: Thanks guys. Got the red tube out. As for the smoke unit; got the screws out and cover off. Wick is black under the windings, but doesn't appear to be burned. Wires are still intact. I had added, what I thought, was enough fluid. But the well was dry. Can't help but wonder if it was really low on fluid? Maybe reassemble and try again? How full should that resevoir be? Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

That because two people got into a bidding war over it. good for the seller. Mike in MD ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM Ebay Item #300379502770 I have seen these sell all year for no more than $30. This is at $140.00 Mike in Or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57973	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observation

I have noticed the same problem in my K-Line Big boy modified to S Gauge. Also, I have seen the problem in some large articulated O Gauge steam engines. It appears to be caused by the way they are articulated. It looks odd but does not cause any operational problems. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > The pilot of my BB does not center. When you look at it head on coming down a straight the headlight is off center toward the engineer's side of the tracks. It runs fine, just doesn't center well. Is anyone else's like that? Does your pilot center well? The boiler of the engine is centered - - the bell is aligned with the center line of the tracks, but not the pilot. Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57974	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: BB trucks hitting action rail

Dave.... Amoung other things I used to collect these things too.... Somewhere I did find on the net a complete listing of all of the up to that point a couple of years ago... Will try to find the printout and see if I can find the site... Bob Conner I have quite a few of these things... --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Dave Bellian <YardMasterModels@...> wrote: From: Dave Bellian <YardMasterModels@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BB trucks hitting action rail To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 8:19 PM   Hello All, and Happy Holidays! Does anyone have a complete numerical list of the AHL trucks that have been made in previous years? Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey <djdewey@cncnet. com> To: s-trains list <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:06 pm Subject: [S-Trains] BB trucks hitting action rail Hi all, I haven't run mine yet, but did look it over carefully, and suspect the one report we had on this is correct because the Flyonel PAs had this problem (don't know if the current production does. The Flyonel PAs use the late mold with the built in steps, and Flyonel "upgraded" them by applying the metal steps. Oops, they fastened them on the molded step, bringing them closer to the rail, and they hang just right to strike the action rail. The BB trailing truck and tender trucks look to have the same problem. I doubt they "field-tested" them on a traditionally tracked layout with action rails. The centipede truck side frames, part of the tender body, appear to be solvable by very carefully cutting them off, add a small angle metal to the top insides of them, and then screw the angle metal to the tender floor. By using screws, you can take them off if they hinder access to anything. Now the trailing truck, and the tender lead truck look a little more complicated to "fix" especially since they pick up power from both rails. The only problem I have with this is; I am certain these repairs/upgrades will void the warranty! Well, and why didn't the factory look for these things??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57975	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

I have two of them in the train room... --- On Sun, 12/27/09, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 6:50 PM   Ebay Item #300379502770 I have seen these sell all year for no more than $30. This is at $140.00 Mike in Or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57976	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: AHL trucks

This may help..  Vin http://sktoytrucks.com/checklists/checklists.php   ________________________________ From: Dave Bellian <YardMasterModels@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 8:19:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BB trucks hitting action rail   Hello All, and Happy Holidays! Does anyone have a complete numerical list of the AHL trucks that have been made in previous years? Thanks, Dave                           . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57977	From: Jim V	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

Greetings and Happy Holidays to all! I've followed this thread with great interest.  Santa brought me a Dockside switcher that had a similar problem with thin and wispy smoke.  The voltage commentgave me a hint; I was testine the unit solo but when I added a 7 car consist requireing more power the smoke came pouring out. Thanks for the input.  But I stll have 2 more issues with the engine; it only goes forward and only after a slight hesitation, I cycled the switch underneath several times, the second is the choo-choo sound des not operate.  Any ideas?  do I nee to chane power sources, I am using a standard AC Maerican Flyer xformer.  Do I need to replace the PC board?  If so where so I buy one? Thanks, JimV ________________________________ From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 6:40:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem   Seuthe smoke units can be cantankerous. They prefer a steady track voltage condition like in TMCC/Legacy and DCC. They work on the principle of surface tension drawing fluid up the thin core post which inside has an even thinner tiny winding of a heating element. As fluid hits that part of the post it vaporizes and rises up out of the stack helping to draw more fluid up the post in the process. Too much fluid and the post remains too cool. Not enough and fluid can't get started up the post, and the post might get too hot. In conventional mode you change voltage to the tracks and even though there's a voltage regulator the changing source voltage conditions might effect results. With the engine in neutral, turn the transformer up to about 15-16 volts. That's about optimal conditions. When you run around results may vary as you modulate track voltage - - even though in theory as long as you have more than 6V or so to the tracks it shouldn't matter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57978	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder

I got a response from trainminder today and got a license key. It was my understanding that the cd images were available for dl. that still hasn't been clarified so I suppose if that gets mailed that is what s&H was for. I had thought that they said at the moment the cd images were unavailable except for dl. that part of my message hasn't been addressed yet. I will be playing with this later and share my thoughts with the group. Ultimately the advantage of using prepackaged or canned programs is to not reinvent the wheel. Bobby Abrams ________________________________ From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:53:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM I have two of them in the train room... --- On Sun, 12/27/09, anormal1@aol. com <anormal1@aol. com> wrote: From: anormal1@aol. com <anormal1@aol. com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY ITEM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 6:50 PM Ebay Item #300379502770 I have seen these sell all year for no more than $30. This is at $140.00 Mike in Or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57979	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: 583 Crane

Any chance anyone out there has a rear bearing/brush holder assembly for a 583 crane? Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57980	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

The Choo choo chuff is mechanical, small and therefore not very loud. The reverse unit should be under warranty if you have the receipt? The part number is 6408039103 - E-UNIT/A/F DOCKSIDER available at Lionel.com. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jim V Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem Greetings and Happy Holidays to all! I've followed this thread with great interest. Santa brought me a Dockside switcher that had a similar problem with thin and wispy smoke. The voltage commentgave me a hint; I was testine the unit solo but when I added a 7 car consist requireing more power the smoke came pouring out. Thanks for the input. But I stll have 2 more issues with the engine; it only goes forward and only after a slight hesitation, I cycled the switch underneath several times, the second is the choo-choo sound des not operate. Any ideas? do I nee to chane power sources, I am using a standard AC Maerican Flyer xformer. Do I need to replace the PC board? If so where so I buy one? Thanks, JimV ________________________________ From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 6:40:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem Seuthe smoke units can be cantankerous. They prefer a steady track voltage condition like in TMCC/Legacy and DCC. They work on the principle of surface tension drawing fluid up the thin core post which inside has an even thinner tiny winding of a heating element. As fluid hits that part of the post it vaporizes and rises up out of the stack helping to draw more fluid up the post in the process. Too much fluid and the post remains too cool. Not enough and fluid can't get started up the post, and the post might get too hot. In conventional mode you change voltage to the tracks and even though there's a voltage regulator the changing source voltage conditions might effect results. With the engine in neutral, turn the transformer up to about 15-16 volts. That's about optimal conditions. When you run around results may vary as you modulate track voltage - - even though in theory as long as you have more than 6V or so to the tracks it shouldn't matter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57981	From: AlR	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: American Flyer #334 DC Tender - needs parts.

I have an AF #334 DC Northern engine that I am repairing. I don't have any schematic for the tender which has a MAJOR problem. The Base that holds the trucks and sound unit is disintigrating. The metal has become bent and distorted in 5 places and is breaking apart into small pieces. Where the base is screwed into the shell has even buckled. the trucks now just hava a small amount of base metal stuck to them. What I Need: A new base for this tender. I cannot find a schematic drawing showing the part number for this base. I don't know if another base from a different series of the Northern will work on this tender. I would prefer not to have another base that might disintigrate like this base has done. A sheet metal base will be okay if it will work on this tender. Does anyone from this group have a base that will work??? Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57982	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder

Correct.....when I purchased mine, the program was downloaded, but the image discs were mailed to me. <<< I got a response from trainminder today and got a license key. It was my understanding that the cd images were available for dl. that still hasn't been clarified so I suppose if that gets mailed that is what s&H was for.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts.com www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57983	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer #334 DC Tender - needs parts.

We produce laser-cut anodized metal tender frames for the Northern, although the one we produce is specifically for the 336, but can be mounted in any Northern. It is excellent quality, and includes the corner steps. All holes for all mountings are laser-cut into the frame. It will never disintegrate! The frames are $75 unpainted, or $85 painted. <<< What I Need: A new base for this tender. I cannot find a schematic drawing showing the part number for this base. I don't know if another base from a different series of the Northern will work on this tender. I would prefer not to have another base that might disintigrate like this base has done. A sheet metal base will be okay if it will work on this tender. Does anyone from this group have a base that will work???>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts.com www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57984	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: American Flyer #334 DC Tender - needs parts.

Reproduction are out there Al, The # for DC is PA10591 The AC one is PA10591-A and I have used them before.   Clayton  Oregon --- On Mon, 12/28/09, AlR <alsflyer@...> wrote: From: AlR <alsflyer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer #334 DC Tender - needs parts. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:04 PM   I have an AF #334 DC Northern engine that I am repairing. I don't have any schematic for the tender which has a MAJOR problem. The Base that holds the trucks and sound unit is disintigrating. The metal has become bent and distorted in 5 places and is breaking apart into small pieces. Where the base is screwed into the shell has even buckled. the trucks now just hava a small amount of base metal stuck to them. What I Need: A new base for this tender. I cannot find a schematic drawing showing the part number for this base. I don't know if another base from a different series of the Northern will work on this tender. I would prefer not to have another base that might disintigrate like this base has done. A sheet metal base will be okay if it will work on this tender. Does anyone from this group have a base that will work??? Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57985	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: AHL trucks

Thanks Vin, this was just what we had been looking for !! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Vin Kosobiecki <vinkoso@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:51 pm Subject: [S-Trains] AHL trucks This may help.. Vin http://sktoytrucks.com/checklists/checklists.php ________________________________ From: Dave Bellian <YardMasterModels@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 8:19:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BB trucks hitting action rail Hello All, and Happy Holidays! Does anyone have a complete numerical list of the AHL trucks that have been made in previous years? Thanks, Dave . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57986	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Big Boy observation

Thanks for letting me know. Was just wondering. I like mine too so far. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "yorktown26" <yorktown26@...> wrote: > > I noticed the same thing on mine. It's a small price to pay, for when the beast comes alive with it's sights sounds and smells, all is forgiven. I am happy , I have one that works well. > Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57987	From: rep928	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: answer to... another problem--need info

Steve: thanks for reposting this! I was just about to ask about fixing the tabs on a Royal Blue tender. I will try your fix! - Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > I'll give this info again. It is a very simple fix. Get some thin brass > stripping 1/8 inch wide and cut some pieces about 5/16 inch long. Clean the > area inside the tender shell below the broken off tabs. Tin about 1/8 inch of > this area with solder (thinly) directly below the broken tab. Tin about > 1/8 inch of the brass strip and then solder it in place below the broken off > tab. Blacken it with paint or a magic marker and away you go. Have fun, > it's easy. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57988	From: rep928	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Adjusting 30B handle

When I put the right handle of my 30B in down position (in the clip), I am not getting full voltage. The meter needle is also "bouncing." I have to push down on it to get full voltage. Any adjustments I should/could make? Thanks! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57989	From: Ben	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Interesting variation

I saw something interesting at the All Aboard RR (Lancaster, PA) this afternoon...beyond the G. Fox Boxcar, Planter's car, Keystone, Simmons, wire handrail circus loco, etc... It was a variation of the Allied circus wagon load. This one was for a giraffe, hence the roof section was off the wagon completely and the giraffe's head was able to peek above the scroll work. I asked Bob if it was an original piece, and he said it was. I had never seen one like it (although I must have overlooked it a dozen times there!!) I am always interested in the circus wagon variations an wish that my collecting luck would step in when I am at train shows, flea markets, etc. that I might be able to own some of the stranger circus wagon variations. So far no luck... Stop in at the All Aboard if you have time. His last operating day for the season is New Year's Eve...1-4. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57990	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle

Hi Roy, I would bet that you need new carbon rollers...... <<<When I put the right handle of my 30B in down position (in the clip), I am not getting full voltage. The meter needle is also "bouncing." I have to push down on it to get full voltage. Any adjustments I should/could make?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts.com www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57991	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/28/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle

Roy, I had the same problem on an 18B. I replaced the carbon rollerthat rolls across the coils, and seemed to cure the problem. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: plotnick@... Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:47:52 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Adjusting 30B handle When I put the right handle of my 30B in down position (in the clip), I am not getting full voltage. The meter needle is also "bouncing." I have to push down on it to get full voltage. Any adjustments I should/could make? Thanks! - Roy _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57992	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder

me, too. --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: trainminder To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:53 PM   Correct..... when I purchased mine, the program was downloaded, but the image discs were mailed to me. <<< I got a response from trainminder today and got a license key. It was my understanding that the cd images were available for dl. that still hasn't been clarified so I suppose if that gets mailed that is what s&H was for.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts. com www.sgaugetrains. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57993	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle

Could one of the wires be hung up in the transformer that goes to the copper arm too? Also if the line up is wrong with the copper roller arm is out of sink with the top case he may not get max power. Has this transformer been worked on or taken a part?  Clayton  Oregon  --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Adjusting 30B handle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 7:03 PM   Hi Roy, I would bet that you need new carbon rollers..... . <<<When I put the right handle of my 30B in down position (in the clip), I am not getting full voltage. The meter needle is also "bouncing." I have to push down on it to get full voltage. Any adjustments I should/could make?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts. com www.sgaugetrains. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57994	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder

I got mine at the first...... Still no disks... Bob Conner --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: trainminder To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 11:26 PM   me, too. --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Doug Peck <doug@portlines. com> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@portlines. com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: trainminder To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:53 PM   Correct..... when I purchased mine, the program was downloaded, but the image discs were mailed to me. <<< I got a response from trainminder today and got a license key. It was my understanding that the cd images were available for dl. that still hasn't been clarified so I suppose if that gets mailed that is what s&H was for.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.flyerparts. com www.sgaugetrains. com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD- DISCOVER- AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57995	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: Adjusting 30B handle

As already pointed out - check rollers, alignment, spring arm tension and positioning (sometimes you have to pull them down a bit to get appropriate pressure, but not too much or no more "dead man" effect with hot spots when the handle is up), cleanliness of coil and end-points over which roller rolls are all good to start with. Also with a 30B the wire from the turret post can look fine but be fatigued under the insulation so you can't see it, but that will effect power output when in certain positions along the "0-120 mph" range. I've had to replace them on most 30Bs for dependabe full range performance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57996	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Interesting variation

Hey Ben, Years ago I picked up a circus set locally and one of the cages contained a squirrel setting on his hind feet holding an acorn. The cage had never been tampered with, still had the original dust in it. The whole set was very nice and the family said that was the way it had come when bought new. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57997	From: N Becker	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: trainminder

I received two messages from them (Sarah) yesterday early afternoon. The first said they couldn't find my order then the second one agreed they did charge my cc but still couldn't find the order & wanted me to tell them what I had ordered, which I did. No further communication since. Yes, you can dl the image files but they are huge & will take hours to dl even at DSL speeds. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57998	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: New Layout Videos on Youtube

Hi All, I've posted a couple of new layout videos on Youtube. The MTH car wash video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hy8NFtPodQ The MTH gas station video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iYa0qc0PJ4 The 283 pulling a 24 car video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dOvacdpoaY Two trains running on the layout video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td6s8amVWK4 I hope you all enjoy the videos. I'm making some progress on the layout and will be posting more videos soon. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 57999	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos on Youtube

Verrry nice! Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Videos on Youtube Hi All, I've posted a couple of new layout videos on Youtube. The MTH car wash video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hy8NFtPodQ The MTH gas station video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iYa0qc0PJ4 The 283 pulling a 24 car video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dOvacdpoaY Two trains running on the layout video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td6s8amVWK4 I hope you all enjoy the videos. I'm making some progress on the layout and will be posting more videos soon. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58000	From: AlR	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: S-Gauge American Flyer Trains for Sale - Vol. 4

Here is Vol. 4 of various S-Gauge Trains I have for sale: 1. American Flyer # 484-485-486 Santa Fe Blue and Yellow PA-PB-PA Dual Motor Diesel set. This is an original 1956 set with the 2-pin steps. Very Good condition. These engines have some small scuffs and scratches as is evidence of play wear. One horn needs replacing - I will provide a new horn to whomever purchases this set. Asking $749.00 or Make an offer I cannot refuse. 2. American Flyer #581 Silver Girder Bridge (repainted by original owner) with words "AMERICAN FLYER" in black on each side of the bridge. Slight amount of rust on base. Asking $20.00 3. American Flyer #774 Floodlight Tower. Red plastic base, gray plastic tower, 4 plastic lights that swivel, the nib broken on one light. Asking $35.00 4. Lionel-American Flyer #6-48020 Milwaukee Road GP-9 Diesel Engine NIB Never run. $249.00 or make an offer I cannot refuse. 5. Lionel-American Flyer #6-49006 Milwaukee Road Animated Caboose with Operating Brakeman. NIB Never run. Asking $54.95 6. K-Line #K511-029 S-Gauge Milwaukee Boxcar. NIB Never run. $19.95 Prices shown do not include shipping expense. Photos available for all items listed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58001	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos on Youtube

Deeelightful! Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Videos on Youtube Hi All, I've posted a couple of new layout videos on Youtube. The MTH car wash video link is: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hy8NFtPodQ> com/watch?v=1Hy8NFtPodQ The MTH gas station video link is: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iYa0qc0PJ4> com/watch?v=6iYa0qc0PJ4 The 283 pulling a 24 car video link is: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dOvacdpoaY> com/watch?v=5dOvacdpoaY Two trains running on the layout video link is: http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td6s8amVWK4> com/watch?v=Td6s8amVWK4 I hope you all enjoy the videos. I'm making some progress on the layout and will be posting more videos soon. BG1 __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58002	From: Jim V	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

Carl, Many thanks!  Your info is dead on.  The choo-choo IS very faint.  The PC board is definitely pricy - I've seen entire engines for less. Happy New Year! JimV ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 1:52:36 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem   The Choo choo chuff is mechanical, small and therefore not very loud. The reverse unit should be under warranty if you have the receipt? The part number is 6408039103 - E-UNIT/A/F DOCKSIDER available at Lionel.com. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com]On Behalf Of Jim V Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem Greetings and Happy Holidays to all! I've followed this thread with great interest. Santa brought me a Dockside switcher that had a similar problem with thin and wispy smoke. The voltage commentgave me a hint; I was testine the unit solo but when I added a 7 car consist requireing more power the smoke came pouring out. Thanks for the input. But I stll have 2 more issues with the engine; it only goes forward and only after a slight hesitation, I cycled the switch underneath several times, the second is the choo-choo sound des not operate. Any ideas? do I nee to chane power sources, I am using a standard AC Maerican Flyer xformer. Do I need to replace the PC board? If so where so I buy one? Thanks, JimV ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@hotmail. com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 6:40:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new train smoke unit problem Seuthe smoke units can be cantankerous. They prefer a steady track voltage condition like in TMCC/Legacy and DCC. They work on the principle of surface tension drawing fluid up the thin core post which inside has an even thinner tiny winding of a heating element. As fluid hits that part of the post it vaporizes and rises up out of the stack helping to draw more fluid up the post in the process. Too much fluid and the post remains too cool. Not enough and fluid can't get started up the post, and the post might get too hot. In conventional mode you change voltage to the tracks and even though there's a voltage regulator the changing source voltage conditions might effect results. With the engine in neutral, turn the transformer up to about 15-16 volts. That's about optimal conditions. When you run around results may vary as you modulate track voltage - - even though in theory as long as you have more than 6V or so to the tracks it shouldn't matter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58003	From: michael prell	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: Re: New Layout Videos on Youtube

Very nice, Big Guy! Thanks! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 12/29/09, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Videos on Youtube To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:02 PM   Hi All, I've posted a couple of new layout videos on Youtube. The MTH car wash video link is: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=1Hy8NFtPodQ The MTH gas station video link is: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=6iYa0qc0PJ4 The 283 pulling a 24 car video link is: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=5dOvacdpoaY Two trains running on the layout video link is: http://www.youtube com/watch? v=Td6s8amVWK4 I hope you all enjoy the videos. I'm making some progress on the layout and will be posting more videos soon. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58004	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/29/2009
Subject: More YouTube Video's

CarTrain1 has uploaded more shots from the Miami Valley S Gauger's Chrismas Display during December.Also more being uploaded tonight. rj4010d

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58005	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

I would not recommend either in a Mikado or Pacific (i.e. TMCC engines with Seuthe type smoke units). Those work better in engines with older style smoke units that utilize a wick with a coil winding of nichrome wire heating element either wrapped around the wick (as in Gilbert steamers) or simply in contact with the wick (as in new Docksiders). For your Mikado you'll want to try one of those I mentioned earlier before sending it back for warranty work. Lionel fluid does not work well in Seuthe units even though that's what came with your engine. MTH fluid is most likely ProtoSmoke. If of relatively recent mfr then most likely produced by LVTS under contract for MTH. Again, not particularly good in Suethe units, but better in a wick and coil type smoke systems. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike jones <civicman_97@...> wrote: > > i am using the lionel fluid but i also have some mth fluid. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58006	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Russ Downs 2009

All, It is with great sadness I must report that Russ Downs, former owner of Ace and Downs Model Railroad passed this morning after lengthy battle with respiratory issues. His niece just called me. There are no funeral arrangements yet. She is supposed to let me know when they are made. If you are interested please reply directly and I will get them to you. I have not seen Russ much in the past few years. He would attend some of my Christmas parties, but has not been to at least the last 2 years. Ironically I would run into him the most at PetSmart with him getting food for his cat when we got fish supplies. I did not get the chance to discuss it with him since learning of his health issues but.... I doubt there is someone reading this that has painted as many S gauge cars as Russ has. It has to be in the thousands of cars over the years. Russ would buy Scalecoat paint by the gallon! He had a rather good home made paint booth. However, for years he would not use a respirator when he painted. He finally started to use one at my insistence and possibly only when I was there. Again I cannot say for sure if painting trains contributed to his health problems especially considering he never smoked, but I always use a respirator even with my paint booth. And so ends my P S A. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58007	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: Russ Downs 2009

How very sad for all of you that knew him, and one more train buff passes away. Sorry to hear of your friend passing a way Bill, and take care. I can tell you must of been good friends.  I need to call a long time friend of S gauge AF today. Don is his name, and he must be in his 80's now. Thanks for the heads up on calling out to old friends.  Clayton Oregon --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Bill Lane <bill@...> wrote: From: Bill Lane <bill@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Russ Downs 2009 To: "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale Model Railraoding" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:58 AM   All, It is with great sadness I must report that Russ Downs, former owner of Ace and Downs Model Railroad passed this morning after lengthy battle with respiratory issues. His niece just called me. There are no funeral arrangements yet. She is supposed to let me know when they are made. If you are interested please reply directly and I will get them to you. I have not seen Russ much in the past few years. He would attend some of my Christmas parties, but has not been to at least the last 2 years. Ironically I would run into him the most at PetSmart with him getting food for his cat when we got fish supplies. I did not get the chance to discuss it with him since learning of his health issues but.... I doubt there is someone reading this that has painted as many S gauge cars as Russ has. It has to be in the thousands of cars over the years. Russ would buy Scalecoat paint by the gallon! He had a rather good home made paint booth. However, for years he would not use a respirator when he painted. He finally started to use one at my insistence and possibly only when I was there. Again I cannot say for sure if painting trains contributed to his health problems especially considering he never smoked, but I always use a respirator even with my paint booth. And so ends my P S A. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestra ins.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestra ins.com/SolidWor ks_Modeling. htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestra ins.com/PRRphoto s.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths com http://www.lanestra ins.com/PRRTHS_ Application. pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58008	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Engine For Sale...

GENTS: Here's a rare bird for sale, a limited edition, no longer available, AM/SHS hybrid GP 35. Scale flanges, DC and Kadee 802's. #3507 C&O with "Chessie System" along each hood side. Usual sleeping Chessie cat's head logo forms the "C" in "Chessie" along the hood. Blue, orange and yellow livery. Box labeled American Models with S-Helper Service sticker on the end piece. Instructions identified as coming from S-Helper Service. My unconfirmed understanding is that Mr. Thompson did the artwork for the AM engine, and the engine was actually purchased from SHS. Headlights, tail lights and number boards are lit at all times when under power. Extra screw and wire drivetrain packet. NIB condition except for right-front (starboard short hood front) vertical handrail stanchion broken during assembly. Repaired and not noticeable except under magnification. Price: $275 including lower 48 second-day air shipping. Will consider trade for AM Santa Fe GP 35 #2827 or AM Santa Fe GP 9/14 #750 with DC, scale flanges, similar NIB or test run only with no modifications, second-day air shipping and $50. Off-list inquiries only. On-list inquiries will be ignored. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58009	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: Russ Downs 2009

Hi Bill, � Russ was one of the men I believe help save "S" Gauge.  He bought ACE which helped the "S" Scale & HI Rail people to convert American Flyer cars to scale and his fantastic repaints made many new roadnames for the American Flyer operators.  His modern tank car line was admired by all in "S" Scale, Hi Rail and AF compatible.  I carried his whole line ACE and the tank cars.  I worked a lot of years with Russ.  We will miss him. Thank You for passing this information to us. � Tom Seccia --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Bill Lane <bill@...> wrote: From: Bill Lane <bill@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Russ Downs 2009 To: "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale Model Railraoding" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:58 PM   All, It is with great sadness I must report that Russ Downs, former owner of Ace and Downs Model Railroad passed this morning after lengthy battle with respiratory issues. His niece just called me. There are no funeral arrangements yet. She is supposed to let me know when they are made. If you are interested please reply directly and I will get them to you. I have not seen Russ much in the past few years. He would attend some of my Christmas parties, but has not been to at least the last 2 years. Ironically I would run into him the most at PetSmart with him getting food for his cat when we got fish supplies. I did not get the chance to discuss it with him since learning of his health issues but.... I doubt there is someone reading this that has painted as many S gauge cars as Russ has. It has to be in the thousands of cars over the years. Russ would buy Scalecoat paint by the gallon! He had a rather good home made paint booth. However, for years he would not use a respirator when he painted. He finally started to use one at my insistence and possibly only when I was there. Again I cannot say for sure if painting trains contributed to his health problems especially considering he never smoked, but I always use a respirator even with my paint booth. And so ends my P S A. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestra ins.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestra ins.com/SolidWor ks_Modeling. htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestra ins.com/PRRphoto s.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths com http://www.lanestra ins.com/PRRTHS_ Application. pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58010	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject:

Me three but I was sure I had seen not only that the cd images were available for dl (its really not that big a dl with a fast connection) but that they were behind in shipping and they were only available for dl. Out of curiosity are these the same images that mitrains sold? Another interesting aspect is that the demo has several features disabled. Once again what is the point? I almost passed on the program because in the demo I couldn't figure out how to change some of the filters. Nonetheless it looks like a solid program. Interestingly enough I couldn't figure out how to add pictures to items that had no pictures on the shopping list. To me that would be a good feature, to be able to look at what I am drooling over. And it probably is a beginning on having a "realtime" price guide based on ebay more than trainshows and rumors. Bobby Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58011	From: camper279@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2009
Subject: Re: new train smoke unit problem

Try SUPERSMOKE Bart's Pneumatics Corp. Lancaster PA 17601 Classic Cedar In a message dated 12/30/2009 3:29:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dsme_horn@... writes: I would not recommend either in a Mikado or Pacific (i.e. TMCC engines with Seuthe type smoke units). Those work better in engines with older style smoke units that utilize a wick with a coil winding of nichrome wire heating element either wrapped around the wick (as in Gilbert steamers) or simply in contact with the wick (as in new Docksiders). For your Mikado you'll want to try one of those I mentioned earlier before sending it back for warranty work. Lionel fluid does not work well in Seuthe units even though that's what came with your engine. MTH fluid is most likely ProtoSmoke. If of relatively recent mfr then most likely produced by LVTS under contract for MTH. Again, not particularly good in Suethe units, but better in a wick and coil type smoke systems. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , mike jones <civicman_97@civ> wrote: > > i am using the lionel fluid but i also have some mth fluid. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58012	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid for Mikados.

All, THE best smoke fluid to use in the Lionel-Flyer Mikado and Pacific is LGB smoke fluid. Period! The LGB is a low vapor point liquid specifically formulated for Seuthe units and leaves no traces (mess) behind. You will have to search to find it, however, because LGB the company is (kind of) kaput. It is also a desirable fluid for box-stock L-AF Docksides because of its low vapor point. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/31/2009 6:14:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Try SUPERSMOKE Bart's Pneumatics Corp. Lancaster PA 17601 Classic Cedar In a message dated 12/30/2009 3:29:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _dsme_horn@..._ (mailto:dsme_horn@...) writes: I would not recommend either in a Mikado or Pacific (i.e. TMCC engines with Seuthe type smoke units). Those work better in engines with older style smoke units that utilize a wick with a coil winding of nichrome wire heating element either wrapped around the wick (as in Gilbert steamers) or simply in contact with the wick (as in new Docksiders). For your Mikado you'll want to try one of those I mentioned earlier before sending it back for warranty work. Lionel fluid does not work well in Seuthe units even though that's what came with your engine. MTH fluid is most likely ProtoSmoke. If of relatively recent mfr then most likely produced by LVTS under contract for MTH. Again, not particularly good in Suethe units, but better in a wick and coil type smoke systems. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58013	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid for Mikados.

Bob,       Kind of sounds like our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Dave   LBR Restorations U.S.A. DBA: LBR Enterprises,llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 502-292-1872 (please leave message) dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... www.lbrenterprisesllc.com     --- On Thu, 12/31/09, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke Fluid for Mikados. To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 9:29 AM   All, THE best smoke fluid to use in the Lionel-Flyer Mikado and Pacific is LGB smoke fluid. Period! The LGB is a low vapor point liquid specifically formulated for Seuthe units and leaves no traces (mess) behind. You will have to search to find it, however, because LGB the company is (kind of) kaput. It is also a desirable fluid for box-stock L-AF Docksides because of its low vapor point. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/31/2009 6:14:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes: Try SUPERSMOKE Bart's Pneumatics Corp. Lancaster PA 17601 Classic Cedar In a message dated 12/30/2009 3:29:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _dsme_horn@hotmail. dsm_ (mailto:dsme_horn@hotmail. com) writes: I would not recommend either in a Mikado or Pacific (i.e. TMCC engines with Seuthe type smoke units). Those work better in engines with older style smoke units that utilize a wick with a coil winding of nichrome wire heating element either wrapped around the wick (as in Gilbert steamers) or simply in contact with the wick (as in new Docksiders). For your Mikado you'll want to try one of those I mentioned earlier before sending it back for warranty work. Lionel fluid does not work well in Seuthe units even though that's what came with your engine. MTH fluid is most likely ProtoSmoke. If of relatively recent mfr then most likely produced by LVTS under contract for MTH. Again, not particularly good in Suethe units, but better in a wick and coil type smoke systems. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58014	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid for Mikados.

LGB (blue) works. Seuthe brand fluid (clear) does too. I have few bottles. Bachmann also. Those however can be less easy to find. ANormal1 works well. Would not recommend Super Smoke or Big Puff. Too viscous for Seuthe units. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > All, > > THE best smoke fluid to use in the Lionel-Flyer Mikado and Pacific is LGB > smoke fluid. Period! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58015	From: Gerry & Janet Evans	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: GP 35..

The AM/SHS hybrid C&O GP35 is sold. Thanks to all who responded. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58016	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy New Year

Hello Listmates, I am torn between smelling the rubber cement for the carpet on the S-gauge side of the new layout or staying in the house and smelling the turkey soup my wife is making. Making progress versus taking the first step in a gastronomic delight. Tough choice. For those of you on multiple lists, I am making extra wishes for you. Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58017	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year

Bill, Go for the turkey soup much much beter than rubber cement. HNY2U Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Happy New Year Hello Listmates, I am torn between smelling the rubber cement for the carpet on the S-gauge side of the new layout or staying in the house and smelling the turkey soup my wife is making. Making progress versus taking the first step in a gastronomic delight. Tough choice. For those of you on multiple lists, I am making extra wishes for you. Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58018	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: How about a New Years Eve Chat?

See you in the Chat room at say 8 pm New Years Eve? BYOB... http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/ Happy New Year! Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58019	From: Bobby Abrams	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Re: Trainminder

Here is the story on the cd images. 1. You have to buy the cd and thus incur the s&H fee. 2. The cd images are available for dl; however only to people who buy the disk and thus incur the s&H. It doesn't make sense but i guess we are still at the beginning of the total internet age. I still haven't gotten an answer as to whether their image library is the same as mitrains. it looks though like they integrate the images into the program. Perhaps once we all get the image cd and see how it works, maybe if it is missing photos, we as a group can figure out how to post a collection of additional images, at least for the S gauge stuff. As a program so far its good enough. I don't like all the mandatory fields and I wonder why they felt it necessary to do that. most likely for their database uses which I somewhat resent. It may be that I am starting with the items I have for sale. I also so far have found the lookup awkward. It ought to be able to search by description as well as catalog no. I might add that since this seems to be the best program available, it is our best interests to see that they survive, so we should encourage others to get the program. Although I am an O gauger, I have a lot of flyer stuff. One of my hobbies is converting flyer stuff to Lionel. I will post after I enter my flyer items cause that probably would be of the most interest to this group. On a very different note, many years ago I subscribed to a magazine called the American Flyer Collector. Does anybody else remember this? Is it still in existence? Bobby Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58020	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy New Year to All!

Happy New Year and my best wishes to all my S-gauge friends for a successful 2010! BTW - this time last New Year's Eve I was spending the early evening on the operating table getting pins in my newly fractured hip. Thankfully all has healed well and I've learned to live with the 1/4" shorter leg. So the year of the hip is over and I plan to welcome in 2010 - the year of the layout! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58021	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: help on replacement for spring drive

While in Dunsmuir for Christmas, I visited my friend Mike, whose father guided my dad to buy AF back in '54. He had his layout up (advanced on the floor layout) and we were running various consists, even tried running his new BB--but that's another story altogether! One of his recent acquisitions is a Cotton Belt diesel--either Baldwin or Alco--I'm not up on these critters. 4-wheel trucks that the side frames look a lot like the ones under the AF Baldwin (355, et al). The frame is die cast, the can motor is held to it with a rolled up piece of duct tape, and the reversing board is also held to the motor with tape. I can find no Id markings, so I'm describing it, so maybe someone will know--I think it's an old AM unit. the trucks are powered by a spring, wrapped around (at the ends) a short piece of plastic tubing, which is pressed over the motor shaft, and the truck shaft. Here's the problem: one spring wound around itself (something jammed the truck wheels??). I tried straightenin the spring, but when we test-ran it, the other spring drive wound the plastic tube into itself, pulling the tubing off the shaft. Are there any replacements for this drive--would a piece of rubber tubing work as a substitute, or would it be too stiff? Also, would we be better off making a solid mount for the motor? Open to ideas--oh yes, just noticed (blind as a bat here, I guess), this must have been a kit, ther ar no handrails, but holes for them, also no lenses on the headlights, just a hole for the bulb to shine through (one truck has a bulb mounted on it). Thanks! S' David Dewey. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58022	From: wisner_mark	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy New Year

Wishing everyone the very best for 2010. Thanks for all the sharing of information it was so so helpful.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 58023	From: michael prell	Date: 12/31/2009
Subject: Happy 2010!

Well, Friends, 2009 will soon become a memory and 2010 something new to write on our checks! That said, I sincerely hope and pray that each of us has a really peaceful and healthy new year. May it be filled with love, happiness and tolerance for one another. And may we as human beings work harder at getting along with each other, work harder at repairing the harm we've done to our only home and work harder at finding the things that make us laugh and have fun! Best Wishes and Happy 2010 New Year! Mike Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]